WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:07.800 Hey guys, just before we get into the podcast, we just wanted to let you know that we are currently in the process of fundraising for a short film called Between Sundays. 2 00:00:07.800 --> 00:00:14.360 There'll be a link down in the description for you to give, but yeah, anything you guys give, we would so greatly appreciate it. 3 00:00:14.360 --> 00:00:17.320 And just thank you in advance for all of you that have given already. 4 00:00:17.320 --> 00:00:19.840 But yeah, without further ado, let's get into the podcast. 5 00:00:19.840 --> 00:00:20.360 You! 6 00:00:21.320 --> 00:00:24.400 Hey guys, and welcome back to the way UK podcasts. 7 00:00:24.400 --> 00:00:28.040 My name is Jesse, and as you can tell, I'm joined with Michelle and Zenya. 8 00:00:28.040 --> 00:00:29.720 Michelle and Zenya, how are you today? 9 00:00:29.960 --> 00:00:30.560 Good man. 10 00:00:30.560 --> 00:00:31.120 Which one's which? 11 00:00:31.120 --> 00:00:32.400 Yeah, yeah, good question. 12 00:00:33.360 --> 00:00:36.560 And Michelle, it might define, I'll be fine by the answer. 13 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:37.280 Then it's pretty cool. 14 00:00:37.280 --> 00:00:40.720 No, but as you can see, we are joined by some different hosts today. 15 00:00:42.240 --> 00:00:44.280 Two familiar faces to some of you. 16 00:00:44.280 --> 00:00:46.400 You might be following the one Instagram on YouTube. 17 00:00:47.240 --> 00:00:48.280 Do you want to introduce yourself? 18 00:00:48.280 --> 00:00:49.400 What are your names? 19 00:00:49.760 --> 00:00:50.400 Any ministry? 20 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:51.200 What do you go first, bro? 21 00:00:51.920 --> 00:00:53.040 Is that just because you copped up? 22 00:00:53.640 --> 00:00:54.800 Yeah, and that you just go for it. 23 00:00:56.480 --> 00:00:57.200 My name is Sam. 24 00:00:57.520 --> 00:01:00.320 Hey Sam, and I'm a worship leader on YouTube. 25 00:01:01.120 --> 00:01:03.320 So maybe you've seen my channel, maybe you haven't, 26 00:01:03.320 --> 00:01:04.720 but I'm not on Instagram, so you want to see me there. 27 00:01:05.720 --> 00:01:07.120 I'm 25, and I'm from the cock twals. 28 00:01:07.280 --> 00:01:08.840 Hey guys, my name is Ben. 29 00:01:09.000 --> 00:01:10.640 I am 25 tomorrow. 30 00:01:11.040 --> 00:01:12.760 I, yeah, both do. 31 00:01:13.080 --> 00:01:17.880 I run a page on Instagram called Wooden Spoon Ministry, where I talk about 32 00:01:17.880 --> 00:01:21.080 Jesus and make animations and stuff like that. 33 00:01:21.080 --> 00:01:22.520 So, yeah, that's me. 34 00:01:22.560 --> 00:01:23.360 Yeah, it's very cool. 35 00:01:23.840 --> 00:01:24.720 My name's Jesse. 36 00:01:25.360 --> 00:01:29.520 You, I don't know, I don't even know how to introduce myself. 37 00:01:29.520 --> 00:01:30.560 I've never introduced myself. 38 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:31.640 Why have you been influenced up? 39 00:01:31.840 --> 00:01:34.320 21, I love Jesus and stuff. 40 00:01:34.600 --> 00:01:35.400 Did it all you came? 41 00:01:36.320 --> 00:01:41.120 And we have asked Instagram for some questions and some answers, 42 00:01:41.120 --> 00:01:43.560 specifically questions for boys. 43 00:01:44.160 --> 00:01:45.960 And we've got an abundance of answers. 44 00:01:45.960 --> 00:01:49.160 And are you ready to try and answer them to our best ability? 45 00:01:49.200 --> 00:01:50.960 Yeah, we're all in through. 46 00:01:55.160 --> 00:02:00.080 The first one is from a lady named Miss Tremena. 47 00:02:00.800 --> 00:02:04.560 Now, Miss Tremena is one of our most faithful, uh, Miss Tremena. 48 00:02:04.800 --> 00:02:06.040 I actually recognize that now. 49 00:02:06.040 --> 00:02:06.640 You recognize it? 50 00:02:06.640 --> 00:02:08.040 She's a fan of my pages. 51 00:02:08.040 --> 00:02:08.640 Oh my gosh. 52 00:02:08.640 --> 00:02:09.080 Yeah, yeah. 53 00:02:09.080 --> 00:02:10.080 Maybe I should check myself out. 54 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:11.880 Yeah, yeah, no, I totally recognize that. 55 00:02:11.880 --> 00:02:15.160 I feel like it's, uh, but likes every video consistent. 56 00:02:15.160 --> 00:02:15.520 Really? 57 00:02:15.520 --> 00:02:16.080 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 58 00:02:16.240 --> 00:02:18.760 Shout out, Miss Tremena legend. 59 00:02:18.760 --> 00:02:22.320 It feels like you haven't really made it in this Miss Tremena follows you. 60 00:02:22.320 --> 00:02:23.560 Mate, I totally agree. 61 00:02:23.560 --> 00:02:25.280 I hope she sees this because she's going to love this. 62 00:02:25.280 --> 00:02:25.960 She will. 63 00:02:25.960 --> 00:02:27.960 Um, sorry, Sam, you'll get the one there. 64 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:31.480 But Miss Tremena, is it Miss, as in like Mrs, like Miss Tremena? 65 00:02:31.480 --> 00:02:32.480 It's just Miss Tremena. 66 00:02:32.480 --> 00:02:34.480 I said, okay, it's called name. 67 00:02:34.480 --> 00:02:35.720 1981. 68 00:02:35.720 --> 00:02:43.040 And she has asked, besides Jesus, what character in the Bible motivates you to lead others? 69 00:02:44.240 --> 00:02:45.320 Oh, leadership. 70 00:02:45.320 --> 00:02:46.000 Yeah. 71 00:02:47.920 --> 00:02:48.920 You want them? 72 00:02:49.040 --> 00:02:52.760 Yeah, there's a biblical character that really, really inspires me. 73 00:02:52.760 --> 00:02:59.520 And that is David, King David, because he's a man who fell hard. 74 00:03:00.000 --> 00:03:06.000 And the thing that he said to God was, take everything from me, but just not your 75 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:06.800 presence. 76 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.280 And that really inspires me and my faith. 77 00:03:09.800 --> 00:03:10.800 Yeah, that's great. 78 00:03:11.960 --> 00:03:17.040 For me, it's Paul, like, not just because I feel like my story is similar to 79 00:03:17.040 --> 00:03:23.880 his in terms of rebelling and being in some ways with enmity, in enmity with God, but 80 00:03:23.880 --> 00:03:30.160 also just the radical nature of his ministry and like his zeal, his passion for saying 81 00:03:30.160 --> 00:03:33.240 things that other people may not like to hear, but wanted to say many, because they were 82 00:03:33.240 --> 00:03:34.240 true. 83 00:03:34.240 --> 00:03:39.680 Um, and I think there's a man that inspires me a lot and trying to understand what it 84 00:03:39.680 --> 00:03:43.760 means to embody sort of those characteristics as a man. 85 00:03:43.760 --> 00:03:46.680 So for sure, Mr. Paul, it's cool. 86 00:03:46.720 --> 00:03:48.280 I'm, I'm a David boy as well. 87 00:03:48.800 --> 00:03:52.440 I found out the other day, one of the first things that King David did when he was 88 00:03:53.240 --> 00:03:59.720 instated as King of Israel was that he, he basically set up a worship tent. 89 00:04:00.440 --> 00:04:03.960 That's why you've got like some festivals in the UK called Davis 10, which is all about 90 00:04:03.960 --> 00:04:04.440 worship. 91 00:04:04.440 --> 00:04:05.320 We love to have a tent. 92 00:04:05.320 --> 00:04:10.000 And I found out the other day that the cost to run this worship tent, which is simply 93 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:16.520 to like basically meet with God and minister to God was equivalent to 30 million a month. 94 00:04:17.520 --> 00:04:18.520 That's how much it would have cost. 95 00:04:18.520 --> 00:04:19.320 What did they work that out? 96 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:20.080 I don't know. 97 00:04:20.080 --> 00:04:25.080 I asked him Hughes, but he did, which is crazy. 98 00:04:25.080 --> 00:04:29.760 Like he, he poured wealth into it and prioritized the presence of God. 99 00:04:29.840 --> 00:04:30.840 And he gave it away. 100 00:04:30.840 --> 00:04:34.800 He was so, obviously he fell a lot and so people don't like him for that. 101 00:04:35.640 --> 00:04:39.720 But he, he did come back to Jesus and he was described as a man off to go to hell. 102 00:04:39.720 --> 00:04:40.320 Yeah. 103 00:04:40.320 --> 00:04:43.360 And I want to be a man off to go to hell, you know, me too. 104 00:04:44.200 --> 00:04:44.800 Me three. 105 00:04:44.800 --> 00:04:45.880 Yeah, I was waiting for that. 106 00:04:46.640 --> 00:04:47.080 Got you. 107 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:53.080 Oh, my days, oh, my days. 108 00:04:54.880 --> 00:04:56.240 You got me a column. 109 00:04:56.240 --> 00:04:57.440 No way. 110 00:04:58.280 --> 00:05:04.600 Oh, I can't believe you got me a column. 111 00:05:04.600 --> 00:05:06.880 Happy birthday. 112 00:05:06.880 --> 00:05:07.880 Do you know about this? 113 00:05:07.880 --> 00:05:09.120 Oh, my days. 114 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:10.200 Thank you so much. 115 00:05:10.200 --> 00:05:10.720 Wow. 116 00:05:12.320 --> 00:05:12.840 Yeah. 117 00:05:12.840 --> 00:05:13.840 Yeah. 118 00:05:14.840 --> 00:05:15.640 Colin McIntyre. 119 00:05:15.640 --> 00:05:16.360 Sweet to drink. 120 00:05:16.360 --> 00:05:17.200 No, that's terrible. 121 00:05:17.200 --> 00:05:19.600 We both take like a bite right now from each end. 122 00:05:20.120 --> 00:05:20.600 Oh my gosh. 123 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:21.280 What's that meat? 124 00:05:22.320 --> 00:05:23.480 You went off in middle. 125 00:05:23.480 --> 00:05:24.400 Yeah, I'm in middle. 126 00:05:24.760 --> 00:05:25.600 Okay, here we go. 127 00:05:26.480 --> 00:05:27.240 I've got the face. 128 00:05:27.240 --> 00:05:29.440 All right, ready to one. 129 00:05:33.440 --> 00:05:34.440 Why is this a cliff? 130 00:05:38.080 --> 00:05:39.480 I look so bad away. 131 00:05:39.480 --> 00:05:40.480 I didn't know about that. 132 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:41.680 So it was as opposed to me too. 133 00:05:41.680 --> 00:05:42.520 Thank you guys. 134 00:05:42.520 --> 00:05:43.600 That's so sweet of you. 135 00:05:49.840 --> 00:05:52.040 I'm going to have to check for chocolate in my teeth now. 136 00:05:52.920 --> 00:05:57.600 I know it's like funny birthdays, but like we genuinely 137 00:05:57.600 --> 00:05:58.640 really celebrate you. 138 00:05:58.640 --> 00:05:59.600 Thanks, man. 139 00:05:59.600 --> 00:06:01.680 You've been like an awesome, awesome man. 140 00:06:02.560 --> 00:06:05.280 And like the amount you've pulled out in social media. 141 00:06:06.000 --> 00:06:08.640 The people don't see is like really beautiful. 142 00:06:09.520 --> 00:06:10.560 I think that's really proud of it. 143 00:06:10.560 --> 00:06:14.800 And like I know this feels like a cost, but you're really 144 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:16.080 where you meant to be. 145 00:06:16.080 --> 00:06:17.440 It's all seen. 146 00:06:17.440 --> 00:06:19.640 We celebrate and hey, big round of applause. 147 00:06:22.400 --> 00:06:23.160 Thanks, guys. 148 00:06:23.160 --> 00:06:24.720 I'm Adam from President. 149 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:26.080 Guys, the next question for us. 150 00:06:26.080 --> 00:06:28.080 All right, from a man named Nathan Graham. 151 00:06:28.080 --> 00:06:29.920 I'm assuming that's a man. 152 00:06:29.920 --> 00:06:34.600 How do you deal with having large profiles on social media 153 00:06:34.600 --> 00:06:36.000 and not idolizing? 154 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.400 I think for me, it's easier because I only have one platform, 155 00:06:40.400 --> 00:06:44.560 which means my life is very focused on sort of one. 156 00:06:44.560 --> 00:06:46.640 It's easier to focus on one thing and also block out 157 00:06:46.640 --> 00:06:49.080 a lot of noise because there isn't really any noise. 158 00:06:49.080 --> 00:06:51.160 I also live in the countryside, so I think that helps. 159 00:06:51.160 --> 00:06:54.480 And I guess that means wherever I am, 160 00:06:54.480 --> 00:06:57.120 I just see myself as the same as everybody else. 161 00:06:57.120 --> 00:06:59.280 Like when I'm walking down the street, I'm not thinking, 162 00:06:59.280 --> 00:07:00.520 I'm a YouTuber. 163 00:07:00.520 --> 00:07:02.560 I'm thinking I'm just a citizen of this town. 164 00:07:04.440 --> 00:07:05.600 So I think that helps. 165 00:07:05.600 --> 00:07:07.440 I think it was on Instagram and TikTok and all of that. 166 00:07:07.440 --> 00:07:10.280 I think it would screw my identity a bit. 167 00:07:10.280 --> 00:07:12.320 So I think it's just easier to manage 168 00:07:12.320 --> 00:07:13.800 because I only have one platform. 169 00:07:13.800 --> 00:07:15.960 But on top of that, obviously, that's not always helpful. 170 00:07:15.960 --> 00:07:20.960 But I think probably trying not to find my identity 171 00:07:21.960 --> 00:07:23.720 in all the numbers or comments or stuff like that, 172 00:07:23.720 --> 00:07:25.640 like it doesn't matter. 173 00:07:25.640 --> 00:07:27.720 It's just helpful to get feedback that I know I'm on the right path 174 00:07:27.720 --> 00:07:28.720 and doing all that. 175 00:07:28.720 --> 00:07:31.680 Yeah, and you don't have Instagram, do you? 176 00:07:31.680 --> 00:07:32.800 What why? 177 00:07:32.800 --> 00:07:35.560 Like in your 20s, you're a man. 178 00:07:35.560 --> 00:07:37.400 You're brilliant looking. 179 00:07:37.400 --> 00:07:40.120 Oh, that's funnable to say on camera. 180 00:07:40.120 --> 00:07:40.960 Flatin' on camera. 181 00:07:40.960 --> 00:07:41.800 But it's true. 182 00:07:41.800 --> 00:07:42.920 You're a good-looking man. 183 00:07:42.920 --> 00:07:43.920 Thanks. 184 00:07:43.920 --> 00:07:45.720 Samson, the work colors, colors, colors. 185 00:07:45.720 --> 00:07:48.560 Anyone would use the opportunity to gain Instagram cloud. 186 00:07:48.560 --> 00:07:51.800 They'd use the opportunity to do the thing. 187 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:52.640 But you don't. 188 00:07:52.640 --> 00:07:53.680 You actually stay clear of that. 189 00:07:53.680 --> 00:07:56.040 Do you mind like telling us a little bit why? 190 00:07:56.040 --> 00:08:00.320 Because of David and his temptation through Bashiba. 191 00:08:00.320 --> 00:08:05.360 And I think there's an obvious opportunity 192 00:08:05.360 --> 00:08:06.560 for that type of pride. 193 00:08:06.560 --> 00:08:09.080 And so you get led astray by things 194 00:08:09.080 --> 00:08:10.920 which ultimately won't satisfy. 195 00:08:10.920 --> 00:08:14.120 Also, for personal experience, I used to be on Instagram. 196 00:08:14.120 --> 00:08:16.960 It's not like I would not be on Instagram. 197 00:08:16.960 --> 00:08:18.920 I had Instagram for a period of time. 198 00:08:18.920 --> 00:08:20.960 But there are lots of things that happened in my life 199 00:08:20.960 --> 00:08:24.080 where I realized I have an ADHD type brain, which 200 00:08:24.080 --> 00:08:25.040 means stimulation. 201 00:08:25.040 --> 00:08:27.840 And the algorithm doesn't work for me. 202 00:08:27.840 --> 00:08:29.960 So when you're on a medium, which is pretty much all visual, 203 00:08:29.960 --> 00:08:30.720 that's where the screen is. 204 00:08:30.720 --> 00:08:32.320 It's less about ideas. 205 00:08:32.320 --> 00:08:34.640 It's more about the way people look. 206 00:08:34.640 --> 00:08:36.920 And that's what laws you end and keeps you hooked. 207 00:08:36.920 --> 00:08:40.360 That is not good for my brain at all. 208 00:08:40.360 --> 00:08:44.600 And I think once I tasted what it was like to not have it 209 00:08:44.600 --> 00:08:46.760 and the freedom I had. 210 00:08:46.760 --> 00:08:51.640 And the lack of brain power that it sort of took for me 211 00:08:51.640 --> 00:08:54.880 to just be able to be myself and live in the present, 212 00:08:54.880 --> 00:08:57.160 you couldn't pay me to be back on it. 213 00:08:57.160 --> 00:08:58.640 Honestly, if Instagram were like some, 214 00:08:58.640 --> 00:08:59.800 I'm going to give you two million pounds 215 00:08:59.800 --> 00:09:02.480 to come back on Instagram, I would not do it. 216 00:09:02.480 --> 00:09:04.760 Yeah, it's just my conscience. 217 00:09:04.760 --> 00:09:06.440 But then you are on Instagram. 218 00:09:06.440 --> 00:09:07.280 Yeah. 219 00:09:07.280 --> 00:09:08.280 And you're supposed to content. 220 00:09:08.280 --> 00:09:08.880 Yeah, how do you never? 221 00:09:08.880 --> 00:09:10.120 Yeah, I mean, it's interesting, hey, 222 00:09:10.120 --> 00:09:13.960 how different types of minds work and how some of us 223 00:09:13.960 --> 00:09:16.480 maybe feel grace for one's face and another 224 00:09:16.480 --> 00:09:17.840 for a different platform. 225 00:09:17.840 --> 00:09:19.000 For me, you touched on it. 226 00:09:19.000 --> 00:09:21.160 You dropped that golden word in there 227 00:09:21.160 --> 00:09:23.280 a couple times that identity word. 228 00:09:23.280 --> 00:09:26.920 I think where we find our identity is where we find our worth 229 00:09:26.920 --> 00:09:28.200 and our value. 230 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:31.680 And for me, I know that my value is not based 231 00:09:31.680 --> 00:09:34.960 on any number of followers on a digital platform. 232 00:09:34.960 --> 00:09:37.520 It's based in the fact that God loved me enough 233 00:09:37.520 --> 00:09:39.600 and thought I was valuable enough to send 234 00:09:39.600 --> 00:09:44.320 his one and only son to die in my place. 235 00:09:44.440 --> 00:09:49.280 And so when I see that, I know that my, yeah, my worth 236 00:09:49.280 --> 00:09:54.240 and my conviction to do my best to walk out a righteous life 237 00:09:54.240 --> 00:09:57.520 is because of, it's like an audience of one, 238 00:09:57.520 --> 00:10:01.200 me just before God, regardless of any kind of platform 239 00:10:01.200 --> 00:10:02.760 or following. 240 00:10:02.760 --> 00:10:05.080 And how, I'm just going to go a little deeper 241 00:10:05.080 --> 00:10:06.480 because I love it. 242 00:10:06.480 --> 00:10:08.920 You've both got such different perspectives. 243 00:10:08.920 --> 00:10:11.760 But yeah, like, well, if I got in such unique ways, 244 00:10:11.760 --> 00:10:15.440 how do you, you just said, like, oh, like I don't, 245 00:10:15.440 --> 00:10:17.640 I analyze the numbers, you know, my identity's not in that. 246 00:10:17.640 --> 00:10:19.000 My worth isn't in that. 247 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:20.880 That's awesome. 248 00:10:20.880 --> 00:10:22.960 I can say the same thing. 249 00:10:22.960 --> 00:10:26.080 And my, oh, man, yeah, I do lots on social media. 250 00:10:26.080 --> 00:10:28.760 Numbers can feel really good, but ultimately, I know 251 00:10:28.760 --> 00:10:31.040 that my identity is not in anything that I do. 252 00:10:31.040 --> 00:10:35.080 It's fully in who I, who I've been born to be. 253 00:10:35.080 --> 00:10:35.920 Yeah. 254 00:10:35.920 --> 00:10:37.440 Like, that doesn't quite make sense. 255 00:10:37.440 --> 00:10:38.400 No, who phrase it? 256 00:10:38.400 --> 00:10:40.080 My identity's not just in what I do, 257 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:43.440 but it's what God did for me at a cross. 258 00:10:43.440 --> 00:10:45.360 And now I get to step into sonship. 259 00:10:45.360 --> 00:10:48.120 I get to step into being a child of God. 260 00:10:48.120 --> 00:10:51.400 And it's been a journey for me having to, 261 00:10:51.400 --> 00:10:54.080 having to separate the numbers and who I am. 262 00:10:54.080 --> 00:10:54.920 Yeah. 263 00:10:54.920 --> 00:10:55.920 It's been a huge journey. 264 00:10:55.920 --> 00:10:57.760 And you've been on a similar journey, Ben. 265 00:10:57.760 --> 00:10:58.720 Yeah, man. 266 00:10:58.720 --> 00:11:02.280 How, what are some tips to, like, remove the doing 267 00:11:02.280 --> 00:11:06.040 as your identity and start receiving the adoption of sons? 268 00:11:06.040 --> 00:11:07.160 Yeah, absolutely. 269 00:11:07.160 --> 00:11:08.600 Like, even as sons, we're literally sons. 270 00:11:08.600 --> 00:11:09.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 271 00:11:10.440 --> 00:11:13.280 For me, it's been, if there has been any of that stuff 272 00:11:13.280 --> 00:11:17.560 come up, which it has is to run at God with it straight away. 273 00:11:17.560 --> 00:11:19.600 So for me, something that this has looked like 274 00:11:19.600 --> 00:11:23.280 is having a video that goes viral and gets 700,000 275 00:11:23.280 --> 00:11:24.320 and a million views. 276 00:11:24.320 --> 00:11:26.880 And then posting another video which gets 2,000 views. 277 00:11:26.880 --> 00:11:30.080 And it's like, oh, disappointed. 278 00:11:30.080 --> 00:11:34.120 And when I catch that, I'm like, what do I do with that? 279 00:11:34.120 --> 00:11:37.080 I'm like, oh, damn, I've just found some of my worth 280 00:11:37.080 --> 00:11:40.040 and value through a number on a screen. 281 00:11:40.040 --> 00:11:41.040 Like, what do I do with that? 282 00:11:41.040 --> 00:11:42.120 Run straight to God. 283 00:11:42.120 --> 00:11:45.280 I'm like, God, I recognize this isn't who I am. 284 00:11:45.280 --> 00:11:48.760 Who I am is not based on this thing, 285 00:11:48.760 --> 00:11:52.040 which I've just realized through my emotional response. 286 00:11:52.040 --> 00:11:55.320 That is where I was finding some of who I am. 287 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:57.320 So this is what my repentance looks like. 288 00:11:57.320 --> 00:12:00.720 Looks like I recognize that I've done something 289 00:12:00.720 --> 00:12:03.080 or believed something untrue. 290 00:12:03.080 --> 00:12:06.760 And then aligning myself with truth that makes me 291 00:12:08.080 --> 00:12:08.880 free. 292 00:12:08.880 --> 00:12:09.880 Free. 293 00:12:09.880 --> 00:12:10.880 Sorry. 294 00:12:10.880 --> 00:12:11.880 I thought you were going for the rhyme. 295 00:12:11.880 --> 00:12:12.880 I guess I can. 296 00:12:12.880 --> 00:12:14.920 Bro, they're both true. 297 00:12:14.920 --> 00:12:16.720 But truth sets you free. 298 00:12:16.720 --> 00:12:19.960 And I find that the harder I run at truth, 299 00:12:19.960 --> 00:12:24.640 which is that my value is not in a number of performance 300 00:12:24.640 --> 00:12:29.560 or recognition, but it's in Christ who paid that price for me 301 00:12:29.560 --> 00:12:34.120 on that tree that I find more contentment and more peace 302 00:12:34.120 --> 00:12:36.840 in whatever the outcome is on social media. 303 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:37.720 Can I also say one more thing? 304 00:12:37.720 --> 00:12:39.120 Yeah, please. 305 00:12:39.120 --> 00:12:40.440 I think just getting super practical 306 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:43.600 and I know we're digging deep on this question. 307 00:12:43.600 --> 00:12:45.400 I was speaking to my therapist this week about it. 308 00:12:45.400 --> 00:12:48.880 Actually, it's the idea of numbers, 309 00:12:48.880 --> 00:12:51.960 don't always qualify quality. 310 00:12:51.960 --> 00:12:54.400 They just qualify attraction. 311 00:12:54.400 --> 00:12:55.920 And you can have a large following, 312 00:12:55.920 --> 00:12:58.080 doesn't mean the quality is good. 313 00:12:58.080 --> 00:13:00.160 And I've actually tested this in real life, 314 00:13:00.160 --> 00:13:02.560 like where you might see somebody has loads and loads 315 00:13:02.560 --> 00:13:05.080 and loads of followers and you might create a perception 316 00:13:05.120 --> 00:13:07.160 of them online and then you meet them in real life 317 00:13:07.160 --> 00:13:08.720 and they don't have any of the type of qualities 318 00:13:08.720 --> 00:13:09.760 you'd want in a friend. 319 00:13:09.760 --> 00:13:12.000 And now your estimation of that person goes down massively 320 00:13:12.000 --> 00:13:13.520 because you're not judging them 321 00:13:13.520 --> 00:13:15.600 but you're comparing them on a level of like 322 00:13:15.600 --> 00:13:17.800 the qualities of a natural, decent person 323 00:13:17.800 --> 00:13:19.160 you'd want to hang out with. 324 00:13:19.160 --> 00:13:20.720 And that then communicated to me 325 00:13:20.720 --> 00:13:22.920 and it made me realize that this metric 326 00:13:22.920 --> 00:13:27.840 that we have been pushed into for qualifying out quality 327 00:13:27.840 --> 00:13:28.800 isn't actually true. 328 00:13:28.800 --> 00:13:30.560 It's not a good metric. 329 00:13:30.560 --> 00:13:33.640 Numbers is just like how many people 330 00:13:33.640 --> 00:13:34.920 the algorithm pushed the thing out to, 331 00:13:34.920 --> 00:13:36.120 doesn't mean that it's actually good. 332 00:13:36.120 --> 00:13:38.720 It can mean it's good, but it doesn't always mean it's good. 333 00:13:38.720 --> 00:13:39.960 So I think that's something that practically 334 00:13:39.960 --> 00:13:41.480 we can try and work into our head, 335 00:13:41.480 --> 00:13:43.120 like just because this video's gone viral 336 00:13:43.120 --> 00:13:45.320 doesn't mean that the thing I said was even right. 337 00:13:45.320 --> 00:13:46.960 It's just that those people watched it. 338 00:13:46.960 --> 00:13:48.840 And I think that's even with our digital culture 339 00:13:48.840 --> 00:13:51.040 that we're in now, there's so much like rage baiting, 340 00:13:51.040 --> 00:13:52.440 for example, doesn't mean that the video 341 00:13:52.440 --> 00:13:54.800 was actually valuable or good or high quality 342 00:13:54.800 --> 00:13:56.160 or useful for your brain. 343 00:13:56.160 --> 00:13:57.520 Just because there's millions of people 344 00:13:57.520 --> 00:13:59.200 following some random Instagram model, 345 00:13:59.200 --> 00:14:01.280 doesn't mean that we should be also watching that 346 00:14:01.280 --> 00:14:02.080 and following the crowd. 347 00:14:02.080 --> 00:14:05.480 So I think working that out made me detach 348 00:14:05.480 --> 00:14:07.160 from the numbers quite considerably. 349 00:14:07.160 --> 00:14:10.680 Yeah, it's realizing that at the end of the day, 350 00:14:11.840 --> 00:14:14.600 where the worth is Christ, it's not the number, 351 00:14:14.600 --> 00:14:16.000 it's not the random. 352 00:14:16.000 --> 00:14:19.200 And if you find people that do point you to Jesus, 353 00:14:19.200 --> 00:14:21.000 that's amazing, it's worth following that. 354 00:14:21.000 --> 00:14:24.200 But you're right, there's rage bait, there's quick bait. 355 00:14:24.200 --> 00:14:25.560 It doesn't, just because it's got views, 356 00:14:25.560 --> 00:14:27.840 doesn't mean it's God's favor. 357 00:14:27.840 --> 00:14:29.480 The numbers are algorithmic, they're not quality best. 358 00:14:29.480 --> 00:14:30.320 Yeah. 359 00:14:30.320 --> 00:14:33.160 I love what you said, Ben, like rhythms of repentance. 360 00:14:33.160 --> 00:14:34.920 Because that goes beyond social media, 361 00:14:34.920 --> 00:14:38.440 that just goes with any habits that we're dealing with, 362 00:14:38.440 --> 00:14:41.960 any sin that we're struggling with, 363 00:14:41.960 --> 00:14:44.000 any mindsets that we're trying to break, 364 00:14:44.000 --> 00:14:46.560 any areas that we want to improve on, 365 00:14:46.560 --> 00:14:50.280 like it's just so important to have a rhythms of repentance. 366 00:14:50.280 --> 00:14:51.520 To move on to the next question, 367 00:14:51.520 --> 00:14:53.560 I know that one social media thing, 368 00:14:53.560 --> 00:14:56.520 had a few branches, but we'll move on. 369 00:14:56.520 --> 00:15:01.840 Men, faith, and church is what this is title of this. 370 00:15:01.840 --> 00:15:04.160 What Christian men, are you inspired by? 371 00:15:04.160 --> 00:15:05.200 Inspired by, and why? 372 00:15:05.200 --> 00:15:06.520 So you're good. 373 00:15:07.640 --> 00:15:08.600 Other than me. 374 00:15:09.560 --> 00:15:12.640 Yeah, just to answer super quickly, 375 00:15:12.640 --> 00:15:15.120 like just overall the mouth, I won't go into any detail. 376 00:15:15.120 --> 00:15:16.360 So if you're watching this and you're like, 377 00:15:16.360 --> 00:15:18.000 oh, should I follow, should I watch? 378 00:15:18.000 --> 00:15:20.240 This is my stamp of approval, who I would endorse. 379 00:15:20.240 --> 00:15:24.920 Guy called Jonathan Bacluder on Instagram, JP Bacluder. 380 00:15:24.920 --> 00:15:27.160 Also has a podcast called Becoming Something, 381 00:15:27.160 --> 00:15:30.600 and a guy called Derek Mack, who some people may know 382 00:15:30.600 --> 00:15:31.920 on Instagram at Derek Mack. 383 00:15:34.040 --> 00:15:36.120 Part of the circuit riders, just a really fiery preacher 384 00:15:36.120 --> 00:15:38.320 who is unashamedly masculine, 385 00:15:38.320 --> 00:15:42.320 and also understands his call to surf and to protect 386 00:15:42.320 --> 00:15:45.120 and to provide and to lead. 387 00:15:45.120 --> 00:15:46.440 So who is he? 388 00:15:47.400 --> 00:15:48.400 Yeah. 389 00:15:48.400 --> 00:15:50.720 I mean, you hit the nail on the head in that statement. 390 00:15:50.720 --> 00:15:52.480 Unashamedly masculine. 391 00:15:52.480 --> 00:15:55.280 For me, I go to a small church 392 00:15:55.280 --> 00:15:57.960 and the vicar of that church, Quinn. 393 00:15:57.960 --> 00:16:02.800 He is that he's a strong masculine man 394 00:16:02.800 --> 00:16:06.520 that loves mixed martial arts and steak. 395 00:16:07.720 --> 00:16:12.520 But he is so gentle and so kind and so tenderhearted 396 00:16:12.520 --> 00:16:14.600 and will worship and cry, 397 00:16:14.600 --> 00:16:17.720 and then deliver at deliver fire and strength. 398 00:16:17.720 --> 00:16:20.000 And I'm like, oh, I want to be like him. 399 00:16:20.960 --> 00:16:22.640 So yeah, he would be one for me. 400 00:16:22.640 --> 00:16:23.640 That's awesome. 401 00:16:23.640 --> 00:16:25.280 Godly masculinity. 402 00:16:25.280 --> 00:16:27.560 We've kind of already gone there. 403 00:16:27.560 --> 00:16:29.360 You could assume that we'd go there 404 00:16:29.360 --> 00:16:31.120 considering it's a men's podcast. 405 00:16:32.160 --> 00:16:33.880 Before that, I'll just shout out my... 406 00:16:33.880 --> 00:16:34.880 Yeah, I was going to ask you. 407 00:16:34.880 --> 00:16:35.720 What's yours? 408 00:16:35.720 --> 00:16:36.560 Who's yours? 409 00:16:36.560 --> 00:16:38.680 At the moment, in fact, for a long time, 410 00:16:38.680 --> 00:16:40.200 there's a guy called John Thoms 411 00:16:41.240 --> 00:16:42.800 that you may have seen on the podcast 412 00:16:42.800 --> 00:16:43.760 if you've been around. 413 00:16:44.880 --> 00:16:46.960 But for the past six months, particularly, 414 00:16:46.960 --> 00:16:49.640 I've had a few ups and downs 415 00:16:49.640 --> 00:16:52.200 and almost everything all day, he'll text me. 416 00:16:52.200 --> 00:16:55.320 And I'll go to his house probably four times a week 417 00:16:55.320 --> 00:16:58.600 and just lie on his couch and just explain my life. 418 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:01.240 And he just constantly makes time for me. 419 00:17:01.240 --> 00:17:02.960 And he's constantly affirming like, 420 00:17:02.960 --> 00:17:04.400 that you're a son of God. 421 00:17:04.400 --> 00:17:05.480 Let's bring you back to Jesus. 422 00:17:05.480 --> 00:17:07.280 Come on, let's point you here. 423 00:17:07.280 --> 00:17:10.160 And he's just so consistent and kind. 424 00:17:10.160 --> 00:17:11.120 And I love him a lot. 425 00:17:12.000 --> 00:17:13.320 He also lives five minutes away from me. 426 00:17:13.320 --> 00:17:16.000 What's the hardest of trait that is key in that? 427 00:17:16.000 --> 00:17:17.960 Like, the topic is obviously, 428 00:17:17.960 --> 00:17:20.600 the vocabulary is like the men, 429 00:17:20.600 --> 00:17:21.560 or like the... 430 00:17:21.560 --> 00:17:22.800 We'll have to talk about like the biblical masculine 431 00:17:22.800 --> 00:17:24.160 until we've got the masculineity. 432 00:17:24.160 --> 00:17:28.640 But what would you say the trait that he has 433 00:17:28.640 --> 00:17:31.600 that really draws you to him as a man or a role model? 434 00:17:31.600 --> 00:17:35.360 At the moment, like, his consistent faithfulness. 435 00:17:35.360 --> 00:17:38.120 Okay, that you see Jesus has. 436 00:17:38.120 --> 00:17:40.560 Like, he's consistently faithful to shout out to people. 437 00:17:40.560 --> 00:17:41.400 Yeah. 438 00:17:41.400 --> 00:17:43.080 Consistently open arms. 439 00:17:43.080 --> 00:17:45.360 And like, I see that, and John. 440 00:17:45.360 --> 00:17:46.160 That's why I love it. 441 00:17:46.160 --> 00:17:47.240 But let's talk about it. 442 00:17:47.240 --> 00:17:49.120 Let's talk about Godly masculinity. 443 00:17:49.120 --> 00:17:50.920 Because we've had a few questions. 444 00:17:50.920 --> 00:17:53.640 One from Thomas Graves. 445 00:17:53.640 --> 00:17:55.840 What is Godly masculinity? 446 00:17:55.840 --> 00:17:58.520 And how do we walk in Godly masculinity? 447 00:17:58.520 --> 00:18:00.000 I'm really curious about it. 448 00:18:00.000 --> 00:18:02.520 I wonder what all of our answers will be. 449 00:18:02.520 --> 00:18:03.720 Can I fire off straightaway? 450 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:04.560 Bang it. 451 00:18:04.560 --> 00:18:05.800 Going to say in this down the camera, 452 00:18:05.800 --> 00:18:08.360 Godly masculinity looks like Jesus. 453 00:18:08.360 --> 00:18:09.720 Hey, yeah. 454 00:18:09.720 --> 00:18:10.800 I had a hard time. 455 00:18:10.800 --> 00:18:13.040 I was super really depressed in my teenagers 456 00:18:13.040 --> 00:18:15.560 from probably 13 to 17. 457 00:18:15.560 --> 00:18:16.920 It was very, very depressed. 458 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:18.720 My parents were very worried about me. 459 00:18:18.720 --> 00:18:21.680 And at 18, I had a encounter with the love of God 460 00:18:21.680 --> 00:18:25.440 that completely changed my life in one day. 461 00:18:25.440 --> 00:18:27.720 And you're not 18 anymore. 462 00:18:27.720 --> 00:18:28.680 No, man. 463 00:18:28.680 --> 00:18:29.560 25 tomorrow. 464 00:18:29.560 --> 00:18:30.400 25 to 20. 465 00:18:30.400 --> 00:18:31.240 Oh, yeah. 466 00:18:31.240 --> 00:18:32.240 So excited. 467 00:18:32.240 --> 00:18:35.760 And sticking on the theme of masculinity, 468 00:18:35.760 --> 00:18:38.440 you've now been filled with the Holy Spirit, 469 00:18:38.440 --> 00:18:40.520 met with Jesus' love seven years ago. 470 00:18:40.560 --> 00:18:42.360 Tomorrow, roughly. 471 00:18:42.360 --> 00:18:46.640 And how has Jesus shaped your perception 472 00:18:46.640 --> 00:18:48.440 of what masculinity looks like? 473 00:18:52.280 --> 00:18:54.800 Yeah. 474 00:18:54.800 --> 00:18:58.280 I think the word gentleness actually 475 00:18:58.280 --> 00:19:02.440 like screaming at me right now, 476 00:19:02.440 --> 00:19:06.480 because I think a worldly idea of what masculinity looks like 477 00:19:06.480 --> 00:19:12.200 is like a strong, powerful, damaging force 478 00:19:12.200 --> 00:19:17.160 that hurts weak men and women. 479 00:19:17.160 --> 00:19:22.640 And our culture is calling this term toxic masculinity. 480 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:25.400 And I think I'm not a fan of that, 481 00:19:25.400 --> 00:19:27.600 because I think masculinity, it inherently 482 00:19:27.600 --> 00:19:31.680 is a healthy thing displayed through Jesus 483 00:19:31.680 --> 00:19:34.480 that looks like the fruits of the Spirit. 484 00:19:34.480 --> 00:19:40.480 Peace, patience, joy, gentleness, faithfulness, goodness, 485 00:19:40.480 --> 00:19:42.120 and self-control. 486 00:19:42.120 --> 00:19:44.400 That's, yeah, I miss one. 487 00:19:44.400 --> 00:19:45.400 It's so good. 488 00:19:45.400 --> 00:19:46.920 And love as well. 489 00:19:46.920 --> 00:19:48.600 Yeah, true. 490 00:19:48.600 --> 00:19:49.280 It's great. 491 00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:49.800 Yeah. 492 00:19:49.800 --> 00:19:54.080 And I think Jesus displays those like, 493 00:19:54.080 --> 00:19:57.000 shortest first in the whole Bible, Jesus wept. 494 00:19:57.000 --> 00:19:59.720 Yeah, he wasn't afraid to show his emotions. 495 00:19:59.720 --> 00:20:02.640 But when it came down to it, he was strong enough 496 00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:04.960 to carry that cross up that hill and die 497 00:20:04.960 --> 00:20:06.720 for the whole of humanity. 498 00:20:06.720 --> 00:20:09.760 Like masculinity and leadership is not 499 00:20:09.760 --> 00:20:12.680 about making all the decisions and getting your way all the time. 500 00:20:12.680 --> 00:20:16.080 It's about sacrificing the most for the people that you love. 501 00:20:16.080 --> 00:20:21.480 And Jesus is the best example of that that we have. 502 00:20:21.480 --> 00:20:24.680 I was pretty, you can quote that man. 503 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:26.400 We've got some dating ones. 504 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:30.360 But interestingly, none of them are like men 505 00:20:30.360 --> 00:20:33.240 asking about dating, but it's actually women asking about what. 506 00:20:33.240 --> 00:20:34.040 Yeah. 507 00:20:34.040 --> 00:20:35.240 It's like so random. 508 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:39.600 So like, for example, hope as a woman of God, Bracket, 509 00:20:39.600 --> 00:20:42.280 how do I distinguish a man of God 510 00:20:42.280 --> 00:20:44.400 compared to like a Christian boy? 511 00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.480 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 512 00:20:45.480 --> 00:20:49.200 Like how do you find a man on a mission burning? 513 00:20:49.200 --> 00:20:55.320 I think that narcissistic confidence 514 00:20:55.320 --> 00:21:04.480 can be confused with competent confidence, 515 00:21:04.480 --> 00:21:10.760 being one rooted in humility and the other rooted in pride. 516 00:21:10.760 --> 00:21:15.360 And it's actually not too difficult to figure that one out 517 00:21:15.360 --> 00:21:20.000 if you just start digging and trying to pull out 518 00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:23.320 to say if you're a girl and you go on a few dates with a guy, 519 00:21:23.320 --> 00:21:28.560 just ask him about his testimony, ask him about his faith in God 520 00:21:28.560 --> 00:21:30.000 and just see what he says. 521 00:21:30.000 --> 00:21:31.520 And see if what he says feels like he's 522 00:21:31.520 --> 00:21:36.920 walking in a genuine spirit of love or not. 523 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:39.600 That's honestly all I think I have to say on that. 524 00:21:39.600 --> 00:21:40.880 It's good. 525 00:21:40.880 --> 00:21:44.560 I think it's one of those things where sometimes it 526 00:21:44.560 --> 00:21:47.640 does take a bit of time, like with any sort of dating 527 00:21:47.640 --> 00:21:51.680 circumstance, you're not going to know everything about them 528 00:21:51.720 --> 00:21:55.920 from one day or two dates or three dates. 529 00:21:55.920 --> 00:21:59.360 Who knew that you couldn't get to know the whole of someone's life 530 00:21:59.360 --> 00:22:00.400 within a week? 531 00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:03.080 It's like sometimes these things do take time. 532 00:22:03.080 --> 00:22:06.040 And that's genuinely just part of the dating process. 533 00:22:06.040 --> 00:22:09.560 Like there's, it is hard to like know sometimes, 534 00:22:09.560 --> 00:22:11.440 like what's confidence, what's arrogance, 535 00:22:11.440 --> 00:22:13.280 what's humility, what are they like? 536 00:22:13.280 --> 00:22:16.040 But you stick close to someone and the fruit 537 00:22:16.040 --> 00:22:17.800 of who they are will begin to share. 538 00:22:17.800 --> 00:22:18.560 Absolutely. 539 00:22:18.560 --> 00:22:21.200 And I think we have a great understanding 540 00:22:21.200 --> 00:22:23.560 of what a godly man looks like because we know Jesus' 541 00:22:23.560 --> 00:22:24.560 person. 542 00:22:24.560 --> 00:22:25.960 And we know what the Bible says. 543 00:22:25.960 --> 00:22:27.600 Even going back to it, we've talked about it 544 00:22:27.600 --> 00:22:29.720 a bit already with the fruit of the spirit. 545 00:22:29.720 --> 00:22:32.480 Like if you haven't read that, Galatians 5. 546 00:22:32.480 --> 00:22:33.840 Galatians 5. 547 00:22:33.840 --> 00:22:35.000 Read Galatians 5. 548 00:22:35.000 --> 00:22:36.200 Read the fruit of the spirit. 549 00:22:36.200 --> 00:22:40.160 And be like, OK, I've been around this guy for three months. 550 00:22:40.160 --> 00:22:41.720 I've seen him in friendship circles. 551 00:22:41.720 --> 00:22:44.640 I've seen him in a dating scenario. 552 00:22:44.640 --> 00:22:45.960 Is he producing kindness? 553 00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:46.920 Yeah. 554 00:22:46.920 --> 00:22:49.360 Is he producing gentleness, or is he lashing out 555 00:22:49.360 --> 00:22:51.440 and just calling it like a hard day? 556 00:22:51.440 --> 00:22:54.040 Like it's those kind of things that, you know, 557 00:22:54.040 --> 00:22:55.320 it's hard to bait. 558 00:22:55.320 --> 00:22:57.800 Like it's hard to figure out from one moment. 559 00:22:57.800 --> 00:22:58.320 Yeah. 560 00:22:58.320 --> 00:23:00.280 And so you kind of have to give it time. 561 00:23:00.280 --> 00:23:01.280 Yeah. 562 00:23:01.280 --> 00:23:02.280 And I think as well, to be honest, like, 563 00:23:02.280 --> 00:23:07.040 to remember when you're dating Grace, like, 564 00:23:07.040 --> 00:23:12.840 the person who checks out, having grace for the person 565 00:23:12.840 --> 00:23:15.640 that you're with because ladies, if there's any of you 566 00:23:15.640 --> 00:23:17.560 watching, I'll be honest with you. 567 00:23:17.560 --> 00:23:19.600 If you don't know, if there's any other questions, 568 00:23:19.600 --> 00:23:21.880 that's definitely watching. 569 00:23:21.880 --> 00:23:26.880 Being becoming a mature, fully formed man of God 570 00:23:26.880 --> 00:23:28.400 is really hard. 571 00:23:28.400 --> 00:23:30.800 It's a long journey and it's really, really hard. 572 00:23:30.800 --> 00:23:35.280 And there are things, are challenges for us 573 00:23:35.280 --> 00:23:37.400 that look different to what challenges look like for you. 574 00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.880 And I don't know what it is to be a woman. 575 00:23:39.880 --> 00:23:42.000 So I'm not, we'll never take away from that, 576 00:23:42.000 --> 00:23:43.080 whether that's hard as well. 577 00:23:43.080 --> 00:23:50.720 But in our society that says to display masculine characteristics 578 00:23:50.720 --> 00:23:53.640 makes you toxic, but then to be an immasculine man 579 00:23:53.640 --> 00:23:55.920 makes you unattractive and worthless. 580 00:23:55.920 --> 00:24:00.400 It's really hard to navigate that and to figure out 581 00:24:00.400 --> 00:24:03.720 how to become a masculine man that looks healthy 582 00:24:03.720 --> 00:24:06.080 and that does display the fruits of the spirit. 583 00:24:06.080 --> 00:24:09.480 And the way, too, is to just run at Jesus, 584 00:24:09.480 --> 00:24:11.920 be taught, truth and mentored well, 585 00:24:11.920 --> 00:24:15.560 and have friends around you that are trying to do the same thing. 586 00:24:15.560 --> 00:24:17.280 But it's a long journey and it's hard. 587 00:24:17.280 --> 00:24:24.000 And so it's likely that if you're a woman who's in maybe 18, 19 or early 20s 588 00:24:24.000 --> 00:24:28.120 that you're going to date a guy who's not 100% there yet. 589 00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:30.480 And that's OK, because you probably aren't either, 590 00:24:30.480 --> 00:24:32.800 but you have grace for each other in that. 591 00:24:32.800 --> 00:24:34.360 And that's a beautiful thing. 592 00:24:34.360 --> 00:24:36.840 See how he responds to different circumstances. 593 00:24:36.840 --> 00:24:39.800 And again, it's going back to my initial point, like the time thing. 594 00:24:39.800 --> 00:24:43.040 You can't find out who a man is within a week. 595 00:24:43.040 --> 00:24:45.560 And so sometimes, like, they can be the most confident 596 00:24:45.560 --> 00:24:47.520 but actually have loads of insecurity. 597 00:24:47.520 --> 00:24:49.720 All the opposite, they can have loads of insecurity. 598 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:52.320 But it turns out they're actually really dependent on Christ. 599 00:24:52.320 --> 00:24:54.240 And that can be really attractive. 600 00:24:54.240 --> 00:24:55.440 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 601 00:24:55.440 --> 00:24:59.840 I mean, I feel like the red point I raised is tying in. 602 00:24:59.840 --> 00:25:02.280 Both of what you're saying together, because like, 603 00:25:02.280 --> 00:25:06.600 having grace to say if a guy is feeling insecure about something 604 00:25:06.600 --> 00:25:09.600 and he's really praying, but he's still struggling with that. 605 00:25:09.600 --> 00:25:13.000 Like, you can see his heart posture. 606 00:25:13.000 --> 00:25:16.600 And it's the Lord's kindness that leads us to repentance. 607 00:25:16.600 --> 00:25:21.280 And if that man is seeking truth, then the truth is going to say it for him. 608 00:25:21.280 --> 00:25:23.240 Because faith is powerful. 609 00:25:23.240 --> 00:25:28.600 And so being formed, working out our salvation and fear and trembling 610 00:25:28.600 --> 00:25:29.800 is a process. 611 00:25:29.800 --> 00:25:32.520 And sanctification's a process, it's hard. 612 00:25:32.520 --> 00:25:35.840 It's so hard, but man, it's so worth it. 613 00:25:35.840 --> 00:25:38.160 Like, that's why I love David. 614 00:25:38.160 --> 00:25:41.680 Like, Lord, take anything away from him, even not your presence. 615 00:25:41.680 --> 00:25:43.680 Like, Jesus, I'll die for you. 616 00:25:43.680 --> 00:25:46.200 I'll die on this hill. 617 00:25:46.200 --> 00:25:47.720 Yeah. 618 00:25:47.720 --> 00:25:48.520 No, it's so good. 619 00:25:48.520 --> 00:25:50.880 And I've got one more question after this. 620 00:25:50.880 --> 00:25:55.760 But the final point I'll say is like, gosh, I started thinking about 621 00:25:55.760 --> 00:25:58.480 the final question, and I forgot my point. 622 00:25:58.480 --> 00:25:59.960 Oh, that's how I have a lot of secrets. 623 00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:00.720 Oh, yeah. 624 00:26:00.720 --> 00:26:04.600 Perfection doesn't mean you're like away from Christ. 625 00:26:04.600 --> 00:26:06.960 That's another point that didn't make sense either. 626 00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:10.240 And flapping, don't know what to say. 627 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:11.960 That's right. 628 00:26:11.960 --> 00:26:12.960 Now, you can keep it. 629 00:26:12.960 --> 00:26:15.960 Yeah, it's good to share. 630 00:26:15.960 --> 00:26:19.720 My final point was going to be like marriage, because I'm assuming 631 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:23.160 that you're looking for a godly man, and I'm assuming if you're a Christian, 632 00:26:23.160 --> 00:26:28.960 and you're looking for a relationship, you're going to be thinking about marriage. 633 00:26:28.960 --> 00:26:31.600 You're looking for a partner, you're not living in, you should be. 634 00:26:31.600 --> 00:26:33.560 You're not looking for like a hookup. 635 00:26:33.560 --> 00:26:34.720 You're not looking for a flame. 636 00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.040 You're looking for who can I do the rest of my life with. 637 00:26:37.040 --> 00:26:38.040 Correct. 638 00:26:38.040 --> 00:26:41.840 And it's worth just acknowledging that life is really long. 639 00:26:41.840 --> 00:26:45.440 It's 80 years, potentially longer. 640 00:26:45.440 --> 00:26:49.040 And if you're trying to find a partner throughout that, you're going to have way harder times 641 00:26:49.040 --> 00:26:50.040 than in your 20s. 642 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:51.040 Yeah, thanks. 643 00:26:51.040 --> 00:26:52.800 You're going to have really tricky times in your 50s. 644 00:26:52.800 --> 00:26:54.840 You're going to have a really hard times in your 30s. 645 00:26:54.840 --> 00:26:56.760 You never know what life will bring. 646 00:26:56.760 --> 00:27:00.600 Maybe you'll live perfectly till you're 80, but it's not often the case. 647 00:27:00.600 --> 00:27:06.760 And so you've got to also be like, oh man, is this someone that I can actually adapt 648 00:27:06.760 --> 00:27:07.760 with? 649 00:27:07.760 --> 00:27:08.760 Is this someone I can grow with? 650 00:27:08.760 --> 00:27:11.440 Is this someone who I can just simply commit to? 651 00:27:11.440 --> 00:27:12.960 Because I see something of Jesus. 652 00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:13.960 Yeah. 653 00:27:13.960 --> 00:27:15.040 Does he just clean on to Jesus? 654 00:27:15.040 --> 00:27:18.680 Because ultimately that is what will pull you through 80 years of life together. 655 00:27:18.680 --> 00:27:21.960 There's quite a few, I mean, I've still got like eight questions to go, but we're only 656 00:27:21.960 --> 00:27:25.960 going to do one more for the sake of time. 657 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:28.800 Let's go with pride. 658 00:27:28.800 --> 00:27:29.800 There's a few of those. 659 00:27:29.800 --> 00:27:30.800 There's a guy called Byron. 660 00:27:30.800 --> 00:27:34.560 I know for me, I did go a little bit into storytelling. 661 00:27:34.560 --> 00:27:39.560 I was 15 when I started doing TikTok and I started the guitars. 662 00:27:39.560 --> 00:27:40.560 I remember. 663 00:27:40.560 --> 00:27:41.560 You remember? 664 00:27:41.560 --> 00:27:42.560 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 665 00:27:42.560 --> 00:27:43.560 What do you remember? 666 00:27:43.560 --> 00:27:46.080 You all went up on TikTok for looking very good and doing some really cool electric 667 00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:47.080 guitar stuff. 668 00:27:47.080 --> 00:27:48.840 You were 15 when TikTok, like that blows my mind. 669 00:27:48.840 --> 00:27:51.160 I thought you were talking about when I was like 22. 670 00:27:51.160 --> 00:27:52.160 It did. 671 00:27:52.160 --> 00:27:53.160 I was just 15. 672 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:54.160 I'm old. 673 00:27:54.160 --> 00:27:55.160 Never. 674 00:27:56.160 --> 00:27:57.160 Never. 675 00:27:57.160 --> 00:27:58.160 Yeah. 676 00:27:58.160 --> 00:27:59.160 I was on TikTok. 677 00:27:59.160 --> 00:28:00.160 I was. 678 00:28:00.160 --> 00:28:02.640 The whole page was centered around me. 679 00:28:02.640 --> 00:28:03.640 Yeah. 680 00:28:03.640 --> 00:28:04.880 It was how good looking can I be? 681 00:28:04.880 --> 00:28:06.000 How funny can I be? 682 00:28:06.000 --> 00:28:09.520 Because that's what all draw in the likes, the subscription, the numbers. 683 00:28:09.520 --> 00:28:10.680 The numbers. 684 00:28:10.680 --> 00:28:11.680 And it worked. 685 00:28:11.680 --> 00:28:14.520 And that's like the weird tension in it. 686 00:28:14.520 --> 00:28:17.960 But I remember being a Christian at that time. 687 00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:18.960 It's funny. 688 00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:22.960 You can call that a time where you walked away from Christ because you're clearly vain. 689 00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:27.320 There was an element of vanity, but I remember like being like, but God, how do I navigate 690 00:28:27.320 --> 00:28:28.320 this? 691 00:28:28.320 --> 00:28:33.040 Because this feels really good to get like interaction because of my looks. 692 00:28:33.040 --> 00:28:34.040 It feels really good. 693 00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:35.040 It thams you. 694 00:28:35.040 --> 00:28:40.280 And like sometimes pride can feel really good because it touches on something in a heart 695 00:28:40.280 --> 00:28:44.960 which longs to be seen, known, loved, called with good enough. 696 00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:49.480 And the only thing is like choosing to let God do those things for us and not choosing 697 00:28:49.480 --> 00:28:50.480 the world to do it. 698 00:28:50.480 --> 00:28:51.480 Yeah. 699 00:28:51.480 --> 00:28:57.320 I remember hitting 18, 17, 18, starting doing the way UK started like getting a bit of 700 00:28:57.320 --> 00:28:58.320 traction on that. 701 00:28:58.320 --> 00:29:02.600 And I remember these problems beginning to like stir up and me again like, wow, I looked 702 00:29:02.600 --> 00:29:07.320 good whilst I was talking about Jesus online, you know, okay, like I asked a really clever 703 00:29:07.320 --> 00:29:12.520 question there and that like, wow, look at me go and like I began to feel a bit prideful 704 00:29:12.520 --> 00:29:13.520 towards it. 705 00:29:13.520 --> 00:29:16.760 But this time I wasn't scared of it because it was familiar to me. 706 00:29:16.760 --> 00:29:18.560 It was like, oh, I stopped. 707 00:29:18.560 --> 00:29:19.560 I stepped back. 708 00:29:19.560 --> 00:29:20.560 I looked at my thoughts. 709 00:29:20.680 --> 00:29:24.920 I've heard these voices before and they're not the voice of God because I now know 710 00:29:24.920 --> 00:29:26.720 the voice of God because I listen to the voice of God. 711 00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:28.360 I spend time with the voice of God. 712 00:29:28.360 --> 00:29:32.200 And so I'm like, okay, these these thoughts are coming back. 713 00:29:32.200 --> 00:29:36.360 But I know that this isn't me and I'm not going to live in shame because these thoughts 714 00:29:36.360 --> 00:29:37.360 are coming in. 715 00:29:37.360 --> 00:29:41.160 I think people have a moment where they think a prideful thought and they let themselves 716 00:29:41.160 --> 00:29:44.120 spiral because they think, oh man, I've had a prideful thought. 717 00:29:44.120 --> 00:29:45.120 Can I be a Christian? 718 00:29:45.120 --> 00:29:49.320 Maybe I should just stop everything and move to a barn and never speak to anyone again. 719 00:29:49.320 --> 00:29:54.120 Like actually we get so caught up in shame and go spiral rather than just being like, 720 00:29:54.120 --> 00:30:00.560 ah, it's normal and some days to feel like a little bit more lean, like lean to a little 721 00:30:00.560 --> 00:30:03.960 bit more towards pride and have to kill it off. 722 00:30:03.960 --> 00:30:05.560 That's what being a Christian is. 723 00:30:05.560 --> 00:30:11.040 It's consistently daily turning to Jesus instead of turning to old thinking parents. 724 00:30:11.040 --> 00:30:16.080 And so if you feel pride coming up in you, like, I wouldn't be scared and I wouldn't 725 00:30:16.080 --> 00:30:17.080 feel shame. 726 00:30:17.080 --> 00:30:21.560 I'd just be like, oh gosh, this is going on or this is the need for the daily rhythms 727 00:30:21.560 --> 00:30:22.560 or repentance. 728 00:30:22.560 --> 00:30:24.400 Like we talked about earlier in the podcast. 729 00:30:24.400 --> 00:30:27.760 This is why that's so important because I need to be dependent on Jesus and bring it 730 00:30:27.760 --> 00:30:29.000 to him. 731 00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:35.160 And so it's like, but I also think false humility is another really interesting topic because 732 00:30:35.160 --> 00:30:39.160 in the name of humility you can not step into the fullness of what God has called you 733 00:30:39.160 --> 00:30:40.160 to. 734 00:30:40.160 --> 00:30:41.160 Right. 735 00:30:41.160 --> 00:30:44.480 I know there's been moments where I've like, I'm not a big like any more like not a big 736 00:30:44.480 --> 00:30:50.000 fan of the numbers, not a big fan of being the name, but I do feel God called me to 737 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:51.500 it for a season. 738 00:30:51.500 --> 00:30:56.120 And so I like at points could have been falsely humble and be like, are anything to do with 739 00:30:56.120 --> 00:30:57.120 numbers? 740 00:30:57.120 --> 00:30:58.120 Yeah. 741 00:30:58.120 --> 00:30:59.120 Mike trigger an ego. 742 00:30:59.120 --> 00:31:00.520 So therefore I should stay clear of it. 743 00:31:00.520 --> 00:31:02.120 And I had to push past it in myself. 744 00:31:02.120 --> 00:31:06.520 I had to be like, actually, if God is really cool in this, God, are you really cool in this? 745 00:31:06.520 --> 00:31:07.840 Okay, you are. 746 00:31:07.840 --> 00:31:12.320 Then I'm going to trust that when the numbers come, I will turn to you and I won't let 747 00:31:12.320 --> 00:31:13.320 you go take over. 748 00:31:13.320 --> 00:31:14.320 Yeah. 749 00:31:14.320 --> 00:31:21.520 You have to recognize like a godly confidence, a godly identity thing, security to step out 750 00:31:21.520 --> 00:31:22.520 into that. 751 00:31:22.520 --> 00:31:26.680 And that only comes from spending time with Jesus and rhythms of repentance and also being 752 00:31:26.680 --> 00:31:33.280 humbled like something scary is praying. 753 00:31:33.280 --> 00:31:34.280 Lord humble me. 754 00:31:34.280 --> 00:31:37.640 I remember praying that and literally day after like, it's crazy. 755 00:31:37.640 --> 00:31:41.000 My whole life got flipped up, sit down like it's a scary prayer to pray, but it's one 756 00:31:41.000 --> 00:31:42.000 of the best ways. 757 00:31:43.000 --> 00:31:46.120 And I think the thing with pride, the problem with pride as a vice is that it creeps 758 00:31:46.120 --> 00:31:49.680 up on you without you often realizing it until it's too late and often you need other 759 00:31:49.680 --> 00:31:54.120 people to call out, but if you're already prideful, you're struggling because you don't 760 00:31:54.120 --> 00:31:55.440 want other people to call out. 761 00:31:55.440 --> 00:31:59.720 That's the reason why pride is so damaging because it's one of those subtle sins which 762 00:31:59.720 --> 00:32:02.960 often you're completely blind to, but other people are aware of it. 763 00:32:02.960 --> 00:32:06.320 So that's why you need accountability and you need people who are willing and you've 764 00:32:06.320 --> 00:32:09.040 given them permission to come into your life and say, bro, this isn't right. 765 00:32:09.040 --> 00:32:11.040 But your ego is getting too big. 766 00:32:11.040 --> 00:32:12.040 This is important. 767 00:32:12.040 --> 00:32:19.280 I also say that pride isn't a, it's not a problem about numbers particularly or thinking 768 00:32:19.280 --> 00:32:22.160 you're better than other people. 769 00:32:22.160 --> 00:32:24.240 It's more, it's a value issue. 770 00:32:24.240 --> 00:32:28.760 It's like what you're valuing, that's the key thing of like the pride issue. 771 00:32:28.760 --> 00:32:32.480 It's you're valuing the wrong things, often it's that we're valuing ourselves more than 772 00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:35.800 we're valuing others, which obviously Jesus did perfectly isn't, he valued others way 773 00:32:35.880 --> 00:32:39.280 more than he valued himself because he was perfectly God and he's still laid his life 774 00:32:39.280 --> 00:32:42.520 down and humbled himself. 775 00:32:42.520 --> 00:32:48.760 But the key thing to remember is that pride is a value malfunction. 776 00:32:48.760 --> 00:32:54.240 So if you have loads of numbers and you're really excited by that because you realize 777 00:32:54.240 --> 00:33:00.160 you're impacting tons of people, you're valuing the impact, you're not valuing the numbers. 778 00:33:00.160 --> 00:33:04.320 And if the impact is done in a way that's positive, then actually you should be really 779 00:33:04.320 --> 00:33:07.800 happy about that and should be praising the Lord for that because you're clearly doing 780 00:33:07.800 --> 00:33:10.880 the right thing and the Lord's clearly working for you because you're not valuing the 781 00:33:10.880 --> 00:33:13.880 thing, you're not valuing the numbers, you're valuing the changes that they're occurring 782 00:33:13.880 --> 00:33:14.880 on them. 783 00:33:14.880 --> 00:33:22.560 Yeah, bro, I would love to just on the pride thing touch on another topic which we haven't 784 00:33:22.560 --> 00:33:30.400 really hit which is like lust and porn because to me, these are surface top level issues, 785 00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:38.800 like pride or lust or insecurity, feeling not good enough. 786 00:33:38.800 --> 00:33:43.440 Like these are all the top level and at the root of all of these things is my beliefs 787 00:33:43.440 --> 00:33:52.440 about who I actually am, yeah, my identity and the thing is like, say if you're, I don't 788 00:33:52.440 --> 00:33:58.040 know who's watching this right now, but to the young guys like 17, 16 year old guy, 789 00:33:58.040 --> 00:34:02.080 if you're watching this and thinking like, I want to be a masculine man of God, but I'm 790 00:34:02.080 --> 00:34:06.080 really struggling with pride, I'm really struggling with lust, I'm really trying. 791 00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:09.680 I really want to be, but I just can't because I'm just not good enough. 792 00:34:09.680 --> 00:34:13.960 It's like you have to catch what you actually believe about yourself. 793 00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:19.080 Like I'm saying this to you, listening right now, you actually are good enough to stand 794 00:34:19.080 --> 00:34:24.000 holy and blameless before God, not because of anything that you've done, but because 795 00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:29.040 of the fact that Jesus died on the cross to remove all of your sin and make you a new 796 00:34:29.040 --> 00:34:32.600 creation, you've been washed whiter than snow. 797 00:34:32.600 --> 00:34:37.000 Like I don't know if you guys ever find this, but you ever find like you give in to sin 798 00:34:37.000 --> 00:34:41.840 and then you pray for repentance and to be forgiven and then you mope around wondering 799 00:34:41.840 --> 00:34:42.840 if you're forgiven. 800 00:34:42.840 --> 00:34:43.840 Yeah. 801 00:34:43.840 --> 00:34:46.840 Like oh God, I just did this thing again, like, oh, would you please forgive me? 802 00:34:46.840 --> 00:34:47.840 Yeah. 803 00:34:47.840 --> 00:34:48.840 Oh, I'm such a loser. 804 00:34:48.840 --> 00:34:52.320 Like God, please, please forgive me and he's just there like forgiven. 805 00:34:52.320 --> 00:34:53.320 Yeah. 806 00:34:53.320 --> 00:34:55.800 So I know that because Christ is hanging on that tree. 807 00:34:55.800 --> 00:34:57.120 That's how I know that. 808 00:34:57.120 --> 00:35:02.480 So I'm like, all right, God, I'm so sorry, done this thing again, like I repent. 809 00:35:02.480 --> 00:35:06.560 It's like boom, thanks for forgiving me, thanks for following me, thank you for making 810 00:35:06.560 --> 00:35:10.080 me a new creation for making me a true man. 811 00:35:10.080 --> 00:35:17.240 And I tell you what guys like the word for us is an overcome to be an overcome like to 812 00:35:17.240 --> 00:35:19.960 be to follow the call of Christ is hard. 813 00:35:19.960 --> 00:35:25.360 It's really hard because you're denying everything you were born into to step into a new 814 00:35:25.360 --> 00:35:29.800 identity of all the new things that the old has passed away and the new is here. 815 00:35:29.800 --> 00:35:31.600 And that's really difficult. 816 00:35:31.600 --> 00:35:37.240 But the one who goes before us who said follow me is the one who overcame not only all things 817 00:35:37.240 --> 00:35:39.960 in life, but sin and death itself. 818 00:35:39.960 --> 00:35:44.200 And if he said follow me, it means that you can, you wouldn't ask you to follow him if 819 00:35:44.200 --> 00:35:45.200 you couldn't do it. 820 00:35:45.200 --> 00:35:46.200 So good. 821 00:35:46.440 --> 00:35:50.840 Yeah, you are an overcome, and you can overcome whatever you're struggling with right now. 822 00:35:50.840 --> 00:35:52.520 I just want to say that good, bro. 823 00:35:52.520 --> 00:35:56.360 Yeah, so it's funny when you're coming to land, you've got like all the final points. 824 00:35:56.360 --> 00:35:57.960 Yeah, I'm like, these are fun. 825 00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:05.120 I like to say that again, yeah, yeah, but because when I was when I was 17, 16, I was so struggling 826 00:36:05.120 --> 00:36:09.480 and so stuck in in lust and so broken. 827 00:36:09.480 --> 00:36:11.840 And I just needed to hear this. 828 00:36:11.840 --> 00:36:13.520 I didn't have an older brother figure. 829 00:36:13.600 --> 00:36:14.920 I didn't have a mental figure. 830 00:36:14.920 --> 00:36:16.320 I had no one. 831 00:36:16.320 --> 00:36:17.920 It felt like at least I did. 832 00:36:17.920 --> 00:36:22.160 I had my dad and stuff, but it felt like I was so alone. 833 00:36:22.160 --> 00:36:24.960 And the reality is that we're not really not. 834 00:36:24.960 --> 00:36:26.960 Yeah, that was so good. 835 00:36:26.960 --> 00:36:34.200 And I think it's good to recognize that like even now I can feel like that, even now 836 00:36:34.200 --> 00:36:37.280 I can like forget that I can just say sorry. 837 00:36:37.280 --> 00:36:42.440 And like for those 17 watching, 14 watching, 20 watching, 30 watching, 50 watching. 838 00:36:42.440 --> 00:36:46.800 Yeah, it's like this is an ongoing journey. 839 00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.120 We haven't got it. 840 00:36:48.120 --> 00:36:52.360 It's about learning to come to Christ and I know for me, I've, there's something you said 841 00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:56.560 saying that I like again, we're just re-emphasized, but then the need for accountability. 842 00:36:56.560 --> 00:36:57.560 Yep. 843 00:36:57.560 --> 00:36:58.560 I mean, yeah, it's hard. 844 00:36:58.560 --> 00:36:59.560 I have it every week. 845 00:36:59.560 --> 00:37:00.560 It's hard as guys. 846 00:37:00.560 --> 00:37:01.560 Yes, so do I. 847 00:37:01.560 --> 00:37:02.560 I like to meet with a guy. 848 00:37:02.560 --> 00:37:05.040 I got off the rails if I didn't have accountability every week. 849 00:37:05.040 --> 00:37:06.040 That's crazy. 850 00:37:06.040 --> 00:37:07.040 Thank you. 851 00:37:07.040 --> 00:37:08.040 I called me while I was in the gym. 852 00:37:08.040 --> 00:37:09.040 Oh, I did. 853 00:37:09.040 --> 00:37:10.040 Yeah, that was great. 854 00:37:10.040 --> 00:37:11.040 Yeah, yeah. 855 00:37:11.040 --> 00:37:12.040 Thank you for that. 856 00:37:12.040 --> 00:37:13.040 You can just pick up the phone. 857 00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:14.040 Yeah. 858 00:37:14.040 --> 00:37:15.040 I'm struggling. 859 00:37:15.040 --> 00:37:16.040 I'm struggling right now, help. 860 00:37:16.040 --> 00:37:17.040 Oh, so good. 861 00:37:17.040 --> 00:37:18.040 Yeah, yeah. 862 00:37:18.040 --> 00:37:19.040 Well, that's it, isn't it? 863 00:37:19.040 --> 00:37:21.080 It's like, it's choosing to make the call. 864 00:37:21.080 --> 00:37:22.320 It's always a choice. 865 00:37:22.320 --> 00:37:23.600 We have a choice. 866 00:37:23.600 --> 00:37:25.880 So let's choose to like, press into brotherhood. 867 00:37:25.880 --> 00:37:26.880 How do you do that? 868 00:37:26.880 --> 00:37:28.960 You regularly see each other. 869 00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:33.040 You choose to ask difficult questions and you push past the awkwardness. 870 00:37:33.040 --> 00:37:34.280 I do that once a week. 871 00:37:34.280 --> 00:37:35.280 You do that once a week. 872 00:37:35.280 --> 00:37:36.280 You do that once a week. 873 00:37:36.280 --> 00:37:39.520 It sounds like it's so vital. 874 00:37:40.240 --> 00:37:41.560 Finding rhythms and propensions. 875 00:37:41.560 --> 00:37:42.840 So vital. 876 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:45.360 Remembering who we are as a son. 877 00:37:45.360 --> 00:37:47.800 It's so vital. 878 00:37:47.800 --> 00:37:48.760 Guys, this has been awesome. 879 00:37:48.760 --> 00:37:51.120 Again, it feels like we've got so much more. 880 00:37:51.120 --> 00:37:52.920 It's the hard thing about podcast guys. 881 00:37:52.920 --> 00:37:54.440 Honestly, you want to just like, yeah, 882 00:37:54.440 --> 00:37:55.680 we hire over and over. 883 00:37:55.680 --> 00:37:58.760 But we're coming to land. 884 00:37:58.760 --> 00:37:59.680 We've got to finish it. 885 00:37:59.680 --> 00:38:00.920 But thank you for watching. 886 00:38:00.920 --> 00:38:02.920 Thank you for subscribing. 887 00:38:02.920 --> 00:38:04.200 I'm saying you've subscribed already. 888 00:38:04.200 --> 00:38:05.720 So you better subscribe. 889 00:38:05.720 --> 00:38:07.440 Thank you for liking. 890 00:38:07.440 --> 00:38:11.160 We've got lots of exciting content coming out this next couple of weeks. 891 00:38:11.160 --> 00:38:13.120 So do make sure you stay tuned. 892 00:38:13.120 --> 00:38:14.360 If you want to hit these guys up, 893 00:38:14.360 --> 00:38:16.480 Ben wouldn't spin ministry on Instagram. 894 00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:17.600 Awesome stuff. 895 00:38:17.600 --> 00:38:18.760 Awesome stuff. 896 00:38:18.760 --> 00:38:22.320 Sam, Sam, read music on YouTube, 897 00:38:22.320 --> 00:38:23.560 come for the worship times. 898 00:38:23.560 --> 00:38:25.960 You've once listened to Sam set. 899 00:38:25.960 --> 00:38:26.960 How many times? 900 00:38:26.960 --> 00:38:27.840 Oh, bro, yeah. 901 00:38:27.840 --> 00:38:30.360 I went through a really hard time last year and played. 902 00:38:30.360 --> 00:38:32.040 You're so good to me. 903 00:38:32.040 --> 00:38:34.040 Worship song, probably like a hundred times. 904 00:38:34.040 --> 00:38:34.880 It's crazy. 905 00:38:34.880 --> 00:38:35.880 Every day. 906 00:38:35.880 --> 00:38:36.880 That number goes a long time. 907 00:38:36.880 --> 00:38:38.600 I said 50 times last time. 908 00:38:38.600 --> 00:38:39.800 100 is 150 times. 909 00:38:39.800 --> 00:38:40.640 Oh my God. 910 00:38:40.640 --> 00:38:41.480 300 times. 911 00:38:41.480 --> 00:38:43.080 I don't want to go into it. 912 00:38:43.080 --> 00:38:45.600 And yeah, guys, do check it out. 913 00:38:45.600 --> 00:38:46.760 They're awesome. 914 00:38:46.760 --> 00:38:49.040 And we will see you next time. 915 00:38:49.040 --> 00:38:50.040 I got to do you.