WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.440 Hey guys, welcome back to the way podcast. I'm Michelle and I'm John. Bye. 2 00:00:04.440 --> 00:00:05.400 Jesse. 3 00:00:05.400 --> 00:00:06.600 Jesse Felly. 4 00:00:06.600 --> 00:00:08.960 And today we have a wonderful guest. 5 00:00:08.960 --> 00:00:10.400 Sam Meyers. 6 00:00:10.400 --> 00:00:11.200 Hey, Sam. 7 00:00:11.200 --> 00:00:12.200 Hey. 8 00:00:12.200 --> 00:00:13.400 How you doing today? 9 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:14.200 I did real well. 10 00:00:14.200 --> 00:00:14.600 Yeah. 11 00:00:14.600 --> 00:00:15.400 I did real well. 12 00:00:15.400 --> 00:00:16.200 Let's go. 13 00:00:16.200 --> 00:00:17.000 Let's go. 14 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:19.000 Guys, if you don't know, we probably don't know. 15 00:00:19.000 --> 00:00:20.800 All three of us go to the same church. 16 00:00:20.800 --> 00:00:21.600 It was really fun. 17 00:00:21.600 --> 00:00:22.400 Mm-hmm. 18 00:00:22.400 --> 00:00:23.600 Part of the same calm. 19 00:00:23.600 --> 00:00:24.600 Minisee. 20 00:00:24.600 --> 00:00:25.400 Same calm. 21 00:00:25.400 --> 00:00:26.200 Same calm. 22 00:00:26.200 --> 00:00:27.800 That's crazy abbreviation. 23 00:00:27.800 --> 00:00:29.200 10 seconds in. 24 00:00:29.200 --> 00:00:30.400 Yeah, dude. 25 00:00:30.400 --> 00:00:32.600 Well, it's so fun to have you. 26 00:00:32.600 --> 00:00:34.600 Mm, it's great to be here. 27 00:00:37.600 --> 00:00:42.000 So another part that you go, that the listeners and viewers don't know, 28 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.000 is that you two are very good friends. 29 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:45.400 We go back. 30 00:00:45.400 --> 00:00:46.400 Hey, yeah. 31 00:00:46.400 --> 00:00:48.800 Which means you two have some stories. 32 00:00:48.800 --> 00:00:50.400 We've got some yarns in this fun. 33 00:00:50.400 --> 00:00:51.400 Yeah. 34 00:00:51.400 --> 00:00:53.000 Which should definitely be sitting. 35 00:00:53.000 --> 00:00:55.200 We can spin some of them, I think. 36 00:00:55.200 --> 00:00:56.000 Okay, go on. 37 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:57.400 We was going first. 38 00:00:57.400 --> 00:00:59.800 Go on, Sam, tell us his story about Michelle. 39 00:00:59.800 --> 00:01:00.800 Okay, be careful. 40 00:01:00.800 --> 00:01:02.200 Well, the story I was telling was raw. 41 00:01:02.200 --> 00:01:03.800 No, no, no, careful. 42 00:01:03.800 --> 00:01:05.800 Okay, we went to Texas together. 43 00:01:05.800 --> 00:01:08.000 We went to Texas about three weeks. 44 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:10.400 And we. 45 00:01:10.400 --> 00:01:11.400 Guys, hold on. 46 00:01:11.400 --> 00:01:14.200 First of all, three weeks in Texas is almost like a month. 47 00:01:14.200 --> 00:01:15.000 It was heavy. 48 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:15.800 There was a lot of it. 49 00:01:15.800 --> 00:01:16.800 Yeah, there was a lot of stuff. 50 00:01:16.800 --> 00:01:18.000 There was a lot of meat. 51 00:01:18.000 --> 00:01:18.800 We ate a lot of meat. 52 00:01:18.800 --> 00:01:19.800 We had a lot of brisket. 53 00:01:19.800 --> 00:01:20.800 We had a lot of steak. 54 00:01:20.800 --> 00:01:22.600 We had such good steak. 55 00:01:22.600 --> 00:01:24.400 We were so blessed. 56 00:01:24.400 --> 00:01:28.200 Who's the craziest, like, like we were playing pickleball. 57 00:01:28.200 --> 00:01:34.200 And then, and then we just go home and we just have like so much steak on this nice barbecue. 58 00:01:34.200 --> 00:01:35.200 It's strong. 59 00:01:35.200 --> 00:01:36.200 So nice. 60 00:01:36.200 --> 00:01:37.200 The family that was hosting us out there. 61 00:01:37.200 --> 00:01:40.200 He was a family of one of our friends when I was was so good to us. 62 00:01:40.200 --> 00:01:41.200 It was unbelievable. 63 00:01:41.200 --> 00:01:44.600 But I mean, three weeks, there's got to be stories on it. 64 00:01:44.600 --> 00:01:45.600 So there's so many stories. 65 00:01:45.600 --> 00:01:47.600 So one story. 66 00:01:47.600 --> 00:01:49.600 I don't know what's about to come out. 67 00:01:49.600 --> 00:01:50.600 Michelle's one night. 68 00:01:50.600 --> 00:01:54.000 We had a, there was the, the diet in Texas. 69 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:56.200 Oh, you're not going to tell me. 70 00:01:56.200 --> 00:01:57.800 I'm going to tell it. 71 00:01:57.800 --> 00:02:00.800 The diet in Texas is so different to the diet in England. 72 00:02:00.800 --> 00:02:06.600 So sometimes the downstairs area has to like readjust, you know? 73 00:02:06.600 --> 00:02:10.800 And there was one night where we were at this gig and shells. 74 00:02:10.800 --> 00:02:14.200 We just kept listening to music and then just kept going. 75 00:02:14.200 --> 00:02:15.600 Oh, no. 76 00:02:15.600 --> 00:02:19.000 Oh, no, no, no, no. 77 00:02:19.000 --> 00:02:21.200 I'm going to get going. 78 00:02:21.200 --> 00:02:23.800 And there was, there was this one moment where it was, honestly, 79 00:02:23.800 --> 00:02:24.800 let me set the scene. 80 00:02:24.800 --> 00:02:27.200 It was really silent and it was really quiet. 81 00:02:27.200 --> 00:02:32.200 And then this, this Irish guy had just finished, there was this Irish guy out in Texas 82 00:02:32.200 --> 00:02:33.200 but they're so weird. 83 00:02:33.200 --> 00:02:36.600 But he just finished the song and then we were all wet in there and it was fine. 84 00:02:36.600 --> 00:02:40.600 And we were all like, oh, okay, hold on. 85 00:02:40.600 --> 00:02:42.600 It wasn't, it wasn't loud. 86 00:02:42.600 --> 00:02:43.600 It was a sound. 87 00:02:43.600 --> 00:02:44.600 Okay, hold on. 88 00:02:44.600 --> 00:02:46.400 Let me just, I just need to tell this. 89 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:47.400 You do it. 90 00:02:47.400 --> 00:02:48.400 You do your side. 91 00:02:48.600 --> 00:02:51.400 Two of our friends are a couple, okay, without getting really crazy. 92 00:02:51.400 --> 00:02:52.800 Two of our friends are a couple. 93 00:02:52.800 --> 00:02:54.800 Hashtag getting married in like three weeks. 94 00:02:54.800 --> 00:02:56.400 Basically, they were in front of us, right? 95 00:02:56.400 --> 00:02:57.400 Yeah. 96 00:02:57.400 --> 00:03:01.200 I think it was you, me and another friend, instead of a little bit further back. 97 00:03:01.200 --> 00:03:02.200 Yeah. 98 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.600 Are you sure you want to tell this story? 99 00:03:06.600 --> 00:03:08.200 I don't know. 100 00:03:08.200 --> 00:03:09.600 Hey, you can hit back. 101 00:03:09.600 --> 00:03:10.200 Okay. 102 00:03:10.200 --> 00:03:12.800 Yeah, this surely has a bowing around me as well, surely. 103 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:14.400 Okay, let me just hit back. 104 00:03:14.400 --> 00:03:15.800 Yeah. 105 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:22.200 This man, every single time, okay, let's just wanted to say this. 106 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:25.000 We were in the car for like hours, right? 107 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:27.600 Half to time because we were road tripping. 108 00:03:27.600 --> 00:03:28.600 Yeah. 109 00:03:28.600 --> 00:03:29.600 We were road tripping. 110 00:03:29.600 --> 00:03:32.400 And this man, I don't know what it is. 111 00:03:32.400 --> 00:03:40.400 It's almost like he has his button when like it just, he's always, I don't know how to say this. 112 00:03:40.400 --> 00:03:43.400 Anyway, does this meme that goes? 113 00:03:44.400 --> 00:03:46.400 I don't even remember where. 114 00:03:46.400 --> 00:03:51.200 And this man would just keep on doing that whole road trip. 115 00:03:51.200 --> 00:03:54.000 And I remember just getting so frustrated. 116 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:59.800 The thing is that because it was three guys in the car and two, it was three goes for most of the driving. 117 00:03:59.800 --> 00:04:01.600 Two of them were driving. 118 00:04:01.600 --> 00:04:04.200 And then the three guys would just start chilling in the car. 119 00:04:04.200 --> 00:04:05.200 Yeah. 120 00:04:05.200 --> 00:04:08.800 And it was getting a bit chaotic in the car. 121 00:04:08.800 --> 00:04:10.600 This isn't even a crazy story. 122 00:04:10.600 --> 00:04:11.600 It's just more. 123 00:04:11.600 --> 00:04:13.000 It's just kept breaking the silence. 124 00:04:13.000 --> 00:04:15.000 All were just so annoying. 125 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:16.000 I don't even remember. 126 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:17.000 Did y'all just with someone? 127 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.000 Wait, that was the hit back. 128 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:20.000 That was it. 129 00:04:20.000 --> 00:04:22.800 I exposed that for some horror conservation. 130 00:04:22.800 --> 00:04:25.800 And I got, he made us giggle in the car sometimes. 131 00:04:25.800 --> 00:04:27.800 And he occasionally rebooted to me. 132 00:04:27.800 --> 00:04:30.800 He occasionally annoyed me in eight hour car journeys. 133 00:04:30.800 --> 00:04:34.000 So you can, do not show us, you can think about it. 134 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.200 And at the end of the podcast, come back to it. 135 00:04:36.200 --> 00:04:39.000 We can have a comeback, which is a bit more savage. 136 00:04:39.000 --> 00:04:40.000 Yes. 137 00:04:40.800 --> 00:04:41.800 Yes, exactly. 138 00:04:41.800 --> 00:04:42.800 Sorry. 139 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:44.600 I'm trying to bring it back. 140 00:04:44.600 --> 00:04:45.600 Bring it back. 141 00:04:45.600 --> 00:04:47.600 After a little bit. 142 00:04:47.600 --> 00:04:48.600 Yeah. 143 00:04:48.600 --> 00:04:49.600 Did you grow up a Christian? 144 00:04:49.600 --> 00:04:50.600 I did. 145 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:51.600 Oh, yeah. 146 00:04:51.600 --> 00:04:52.600 That's cool. 147 00:04:52.600 --> 00:04:53.600 I knew a Christian now. 148 00:04:53.600 --> 00:04:55.600 I am still a Christian. 149 00:04:55.600 --> 00:04:56.600 I've made it onto this podcast. 150 00:04:56.600 --> 00:04:57.600 Oh, praise God. 151 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:58.600 So nasty. 152 00:04:58.600 --> 00:04:59.600 Yeah, I grew up Christian. 153 00:04:59.600 --> 00:05:05.400 I grew up in like actually a real blessing of like a Christian way, to be honest. 154 00:05:05.400 --> 00:05:11.600 So I did the Christian school, did the Christian campus as a kid, did the Christian family. 155 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:16.600 My parents always championed like strong faith and like, just really trying to perform 156 00:05:16.600 --> 00:05:20.200 on that, which was really, really cool. 157 00:05:20.200 --> 00:05:23.800 And yeah, they were really, they were really loving to me in that way. 158 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:26.800 But yeah, it was, it was great. 159 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:27.800 It was really good. 160 00:05:27.800 --> 00:05:31.900 As we'll, as we'll get onto, there were definitely some, some parts of it that I found 161 00:05:31.900 --> 00:05:36.500 hard, which led to some other difficult, difficult bits, but yeah, it was really good. 162 00:05:36.500 --> 00:05:37.500 Come on. 163 00:05:37.500 --> 00:05:38.500 Tell us more about that. 164 00:05:38.500 --> 00:05:43.780 Let's start from like, okay, so now we know you grew up in a Christian family. 165 00:05:43.780 --> 00:05:50.300 And then what, at what point did you, like, what happened from that point on, like, 166 00:05:50.300 --> 00:05:56.180 when did you start like finding your own faith, separate, separate from your parents? 167 00:05:56.180 --> 00:06:00.060 And what happened in between that like point where you realize that you sort of dropped 168 00:06:00.060 --> 00:06:01.060 off. 169 00:06:01.060 --> 00:06:02.060 Yeah. 170 00:06:02.060 --> 00:06:03.060 You sort of doing your own thing. 171 00:06:03.060 --> 00:06:04.060 Yeah. 172 00:06:04.060 --> 00:06:05.060 Yeah. 173 00:06:05.060 --> 00:06:06.060 What was going on there? 174 00:06:06.060 --> 00:06:07.060 Tell us about that. 175 00:06:07.060 --> 00:06:08.060 Well, yeah, good question. 176 00:06:08.060 --> 00:06:13.820 As I said, I went to Christian school, did the Christian house, but I think what I've realized 177 00:06:13.820 --> 00:06:18.260 over the last couple of years is that I thought it was so great, it was really good. 178 00:06:18.260 --> 00:06:20.300 It's a really good thing for that to be happening. 179 00:06:20.300 --> 00:06:28.180 But a collateral damage of that, a little bit of byproduct of that was that I felt as if 180 00:06:28.180 --> 00:06:31.340 I was in a pretty clear mold as a kid. 181 00:06:31.340 --> 00:06:33.700 And I was also, I'm the youngest of four siblings, right? 182 00:06:33.700 --> 00:06:38.300 So I had three siblings above me who all went through the same school. 183 00:06:38.300 --> 00:06:40.820 Our pops was a government at the school, so we all went through the same school. 184 00:06:40.820 --> 00:06:49.700 And I had a bit of a perception around what a Myers kid was, which was quite, if nothing 185 00:06:49.700 --> 00:06:53.740 else, it was that they were Christians, Christian family, all that stuff. 186 00:06:53.740 --> 00:07:00.260 So I think I realized when I left school that when that like shield was over me of the 187 00:07:00.260 --> 00:07:04.180 idea of like, what sound probably won't do that because he's Christian and that kind 188 00:07:04.180 --> 00:07:05.180 of stuff. 189 00:07:05.180 --> 00:07:08.300 It felt, it was a lot easier to say no to things because people already expected me to 190 00:07:08.300 --> 00:07:09.300 say no. 191 00:07:09.300 --> 00:07:10.300 Right. 192 00:07:10.300 --> 00:07:13.660 When I moved to London straight out of school, so two and a half months after I left school, 193 00:07:13.660 --> 00:07:17.180 I moved into full, I moved to London in full. 194 00:07:17.180 --> 00:07:23.700 And once I realized that like Mirage around me was gone and I could make one hundred 195 00:07:23.700 --> 00:07:30.980 percent a yes or no call on all these things, like I deep-dived into all of it. 196 00:07:30.980 --> 00:07:36.900 And I think I'd also, from my that Christian lifestyle, Harvard actually quite a lot of anger 197 00:07:36.900 --> 00:07:41.700 from it because I was like, probably just like, I've not been able to do what I thought 198 00:07:41.700 --> 00:07:43.020 I wanted to do, right? 199 00:07:43.020 --> 00:07:47.540 Feelings if I was trapped, the classic of being like, I don't know whether I'm actually 200 00:07:47.540 --> 00:07:53.380 doing what I want to do here or whether it's just, it's just the cards I've been dealt. 201 00:07:53.380 --> 00:07:57.140 But when I had a chance to actually deal my own cards, I was like, oh, well, I want 202 00:07:57.140 --> 00:07:59.700 to try this and I want to try that and I want to do all these things. 203 00:07:59.700 --> 00:08:03.780 I think the really Christian way to say is that I was chasing satisfaction, but I was 204 00:08:03.780 --> 00:08:07.780 just like looking for like, what's the next exciting thing for me to do? 205 00:08:07.780 --> 00:08:08.780 What's this and the other? 206 00:08:08.780 --> 00:08:16.980 And that took me down all the different roads of like the things of this world, you know? 207 00:08:16.980 --> 00:08:23.420 And I think the thing that changed for me was, I got to quite a dark point. 208 00:08:23.420 --> 00:08:25.380 I actually, I was thinking about the day, right? 209 00:08:25.380 --> 00:08:30.900 I had a moment where I was like, I was out one night. 210 00:08:30.900 --> 00:08:35.980 I was drinking with some friends of mine who are really lovely people and they weren't 211 00:08:35.980 --> 00:08:39.420 Christians, but they're still lovely friends of mine now and all that stuff. 212 00:08:39.420 --> 00:08:46.740 And they, I remember I went home from that night and I was like, I had this really weird 213 00:08:46.740 --> 00:08:54.820 thing apart from the points when I'm with my friends and I'm doing these things. 214 00:08:54.820 --> 00:09:00.100 When I was like out in life trying to like chase just the next high and satisfaction, 215 00:09:00.100 --> 00:09:04.260 I realized that I, because I hadn't actually found any of it, I hadn't actually been that 216 00:09:04.260 --> 00:09:08.580 happy for like months, you know what I mean? 217 00:09:08.580 --> 00:09:12.140 I had this weird moment where I was like, I think the Lord actually really, He gave me 218 00:09:12.140 --> 00:09:14.260 a, He gave me a metaphor for it, which was really nice. 219 00:09:14.260 --> 00:09:18.700 He was like, imagine if I was in a room of like a hundred pots, they all looked exactly 220 00:09:18.700 --> 00:09:23.220 the same and I was looking for one thing and one of the pots and I kept looking at each 221 00:09:23.220 --> 00:09:27.140 pot and I wasn't going to be happy until I found that one thing. 222 00:09:27.140 --> 00:09:34.620 But the anticipation of is it going to be in the next pot was enough for me to get on. 223 00:09:34.620 --> 00:09:40.540 So I could be searching around in 99 of these pots and not found any actual happiness, 224 00:09:40.540 --> 00:09:41.980 another thing I'm looking for. 225 00:09:41.980 --> 00:09:46.460 But the anticipation of is it going to be in the next pot was what was keeping me going? 226 00:09:46.460 --> 00:09:51.620 And it was, I was almost in that idea in my own life where it was like, I'm keep searching 227 00:09:51.620 --> 00:09:58.180 for like a good time and a good high but I was never finding it and actually I hadn't been 228 00:09:58.180 --> 00:10:04.180 that happy in a very long time in like months and months, which I hadn't quite realized 229 00:10:04.180 --> 00:10:10.780 until it was the classic thing of like 2020 hindsight, you can't really realize that 230 00:10:10.780 --> 00:10:15.060 when you're in the moment because like, if you're a bit like really angry and then someone 231 00:10:15.060 --> 00:10:20.460 comes up and says, stop being angry and you're like, I'm going to be more angry now. 232 00:10:20.460 --> 00:10:22.620 You don't believe it. 233 00:10:22.620 --> 00:10:25.020 Or Michelle's case, Michelle, can you stop being farty? 234 00:10:25.020 --> 00:10:26.020 Yeah. 235 00:10:26.020 --> 00:10:27.020 Yeah. 236 00:10:27.020 --> 00:10:28.020 And then she goes first. 237 00:10:28.020 --> 00:10:29.020 Oh my God. 238 00:10:29.020 --> 00:10:30.020 Oh my God. 239 00:10:30.020 --> 00:10:33.020 That story is just so exposed. 240 00:10:33.020 --> 00:10:34.020 You're going to tell another one. 241 00:10:34.020 --> 00:10:35.020 No, you're not. 242 00:10:35.020 --> 00:10:36.020 No, no. 243 00:10:36.020 --> 00:10:37.020 We're going to stay on your story. 244 00:10:37.020 --> 00:10:38.020 We're going to stay on your story. 245 00:10:38.020 --> 00:10:39.580 We can come to the other ones at the end. 246 00:10:39.580 --> 00:10:41.900 My word. 247 00:10:41.900 --> 00:10:50.100 But yeah, so I think for me that was like quite a, that was quite a time and then when 248 00:10:50.100 --> 00:10:57.580 it all turned around, it all turned around, I want to say October of 23, come on. 249 00:10:57.580 --> 00:11:03.420 And I was in a really like, I was dealing with some heartbreak. 250 00:11:03.420 --> 00:11:05.820 I was dealing with a lot of frustration in my life. 251 00:11:05.820 --> 00:11:11.260 I was dealing with a lot of these like, there were loads of different things going on. 252 00:11:11.260 --> 00:11:17.340 And basically, I was just like, right, God, I'm going to sling it all at you, right? 253 00:11:17.340 --> 00:11:20.220 Like I'm throwing it all at the wall, seeing what sticks. 254 00:11:20.220 --> 00:11:21.220 You know what? 255 00:11:21.220 --> 00:11:24.300 If you're there, deal with all of this. 256 00:11:24.300 --> 00:11:29.940 Like I cannot be, I don't want this way anymore. 257 00:11:29.940 --> 00:11:37.580 Like you, you take it, you do it, my, my burns like my yokes easy, great, sort me out, 258 00:11:37.580 --> 00:11:39.660 like you do it. 259 00:11:39.660 --> 00:11:44.140 And what I didn't realize I was doing in that moment of being like, right, I'm going 260 00:11:44.140 --> 00:11:47.340 to give you this, if you give you that, if you give you this, I was building like a real 261 00:11:47.340 --> 00:11:54.180 trust with the Lord, that I didn't unconsciously, you know, like, like I'm going to say, 262 00:11:54.180 --> 00:12:01.140 like, imagine if you were, if you gave all of your stuff to one person and then because 263 00:12:01.140 --> 00:12:05.020 it was too heavy for you, you know, being really helpful to you, but you've also got a lot 264 00:12:05.020 --> 00:12:07.780 of trust in that person that they're not going to run off, you know? 265 00:12:07.780 --> 00:12:12.100 And like, so I was laying a lot of trust in God of being like, right, I'm pain, I'm in 266 00:12:12.100 --> 00:12:18.580 pain, I'm frustrated, I'm angry, I'm hurt, I'm tired, God, I'm so tired. 267 00:12:18.580 --> 00:12:21.060 Why am I so tired of all this stuff? 268 00:12:21.060 --> 00:12:25.140 I kept giving it to him and what I didn't realize I was doing was creating real relationship 269 00:12:25.140 --> 00:12:30.100 where he was like, right, let's talk it through, let's work it through. 270 00:12:30.100 --> 00:12:33.220 And what I was really starting to do was becoming right with God. 271 00:12:33.220 --> 00:12:37.100 You know that phrase, like, be right with God. 272 00:12:37.100 --> 00:12:39.580 I misunderstood that for 19 years. 273 00:12:39.580 --> 00:12:44.860 I always thought being right with God was like being right and wrong, like as many people 274 00:12:44.860 --> 00:12:47.140 probably do, being right and wrong. 275 00:12:47.140 --> 00:12:52.020 And I think what I've realized a lot more recently is being right with God doesn't mean 276 00:12:52.020 --> 00:12:53.460 being perfect with God. 277 00:12:53.460 --> 00:13:00.380 It much more means being honest with him and it's much more like you don't need to come 278 00:13:00.380 --> 00:13:05.300 to God being like, right, God, I've done 24 hours of great stuff, I've done this, that 279 00:13:05.300 --> 00:13:06.980 and the other, I've got all this evidence. 280 00:13:06.980 --> 00:13:08.380 Does that mean I'm right by you? 281 00:13:08.380 --> 00:13:13.620 Does that mean I can say my prayers and feel real connection with you? 282 00:13:13.660 --> 00:13:17.620 I think I've started to realize recently that being right with God is simply being super 283 00:13:17.620 --> 00:13:18.980 honest of where you are. 284 00:13:18.980 --> 00:13:25.740 And if that means, you're like, today was horrible, today sucked so annoyed about what 285 00:13:25.740 --> 00:13:30.220 she said to me, very frustrated that he didn't back me up, very frustrated about all this 286 00:13:30.220 --> 00:13:31.700 stuff. 287 00:13:31.700 --> 00:13:40.780 Like that in its most askew, like toys spent on the ground picture is being right with 288 00:13:40.780 --> 00:13:42.300 God. 289 00:13:42.300 --> 00:13:52.500 And it comes back to the same thing of like, once you can go to that point, you'll then, 290 00:13:52.500 --> 00:13:56.300 you finally know where you are so that you can know where he's going to start to send you 291 00:13:56.300 --> 00:14:00.740 because like as long as you know, I don't know where God's going to send me, but as long 292 00:14:00.740 --> 00:14:06.820 as I know where I am now with him, like at least have direction, you know? 293 00:14:06.820 --> 00:14:12.700 So I think I just realized all of that stuff over the last like two years, that's right. 294 00:14:12.700 --> 00:14:13.700 So beautiful. 295 00:14:13.700 --> 00:14:18.940 And I love how you were sort of saying like, building up rapport with the Lord, you know, 296 00:14:18.940 --> 00:14:20.460 like just history with the Lord. 297 00:14:20.460 --> 00:14:21.460 And I think it's so beautiful. 298 00:14:21.460 --> 00:14:26.020 I mean, the Bible does say that he'll never leave whenever forsakers and to find that 299 00:14:26.020 --> 00:14:31.900 trust in somebody because I mean, like we're about to be bruised by people in this world 300 00:14:31.900 --> 00:14:33.820 and like our friends and our family. 301 00:14:33.820 --> 00:14:36.700 It's just how we are, you know, like we're not nobody's perfect. 302 00:14:36.700 --> 00:14:40.860 So we're going to be hurt by people and people leave and that's really painful. 303 00:14:40.860 --> 00:14:47.060 And you experience that in your life and to find somebody that doesn't is just like so 304 00:14:47.060 --> 00:14:52.180 life-changing and you've seen that transfer, like that transformation in your life. 305 00:14:52.180 --> 00:14:57.820 What are like a few, like where have you seen God really show up in places in your life 306 00:14:57.820 --> 00:15:08.460 and like, I've been faithful to not leave you where you would have thought God, I don't 307 00:15:08.460 --> 00:15:09.460 deserve this. 308 00:15:09.460 --> 00:15:10.460 Yeah. 309 00:15:10.460 --> 00:15:18.460 Honestly, I feel like relationship, I have a messy history with relationship due to my 310 00:15:18.460 --> 00:15:19.460 own fault. 311 00:15:19.460 --> 00:15:25.540 I didn't know how I used to be not very good at just governing relationships, I'd like 312 00:15:25.540 --> 00:15:28.020 say I'm better now, like romantic relationships. 313 00:15:28.020 --> 00:15:33.020 Yeah, like romantic relationships to a degree, sometimes friendships, but more thinking 314 00:15:33.020 --> 00:15:34.940 about romantic relationships now. 315 00:15:34.940 --> 00:15:41.420 And like, I used to get them wrong just a lot of the time and it used to come from me 316 00:15:41.420 --> 00:15:46.980 almost every time and it used to be my either fear of what the future could be or fear 317 00:15:46.980 --> 00:15:51.100 of what I thought it would definitely wouldn't be and stuff like that. 318 00:15:51.100 --> 00:15:57.300 I think what that meant is that I had a really, I thought God was really separated in my 319 00:15:57.300 --> 00:16:00.460 relationship because I was like, I can't get this right. 320 00:16:00.460 --> 00:16:05.580 So if I'm not getting it right, the Lord can't begin it, you know? 321 00:16:05.580 --> 00:16:12.280 And I think I always just have a really like, because I think I would purposely take God 322 00:16:12.280 --> 00:16:17.580 out of it so that I could do what I wanted, quote unquote. 323 00:16:17.580 --> 00:16:21.980 And then at the end, I would bring it back in it when I was cleaning up my own mess. 324 00:16:21.980 --> 00:16:26.140 And it would always feel like because there was that gap in the middle like, well, God's 325 00:16:26.140 --> 00:16:29.900 not in these because I'm the one taking him out. 326 00:16:29.900 --> 00:16:43.220 And I think, I think recently, I think because I've brought the Lord into like my day-to-day 327 00:16:43.300 --> 00:16:54.100 life and the more light, every section of it is allowed, everything that would have previously 328 00:16:54.100 --> 00:17:04.380 stressed me out with relationships, of friendships and romantic to just be diminished, what's 329 00:17:04.380 --> 00:17:06.220 an example? 330 00:17:06.220 --> 00:17:12.900 I think I had, I used to have a real issue with like, trying to be everyone's mate. 331 00:17:12.900 --> 00:17:17.140 I think I had a podcast once that someone said, if you're a friend to everyone, you're 332 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:19.340 an enemy to yourself, kind of vibe. 333 00:17:19.340 --> 00:17:20.340 Interesting. 334 00:17:20.340 --> 00:17:25.340 I think recently I've just like, the concept of taking my identity and who I am more 335 00:17:25.340 --> 00:17:31.860 in the Lord and being like, right, what you say about me is, is what? 336 00:17:31.860 --> 00:17:34.700 I'm going to say about me. 337 00:17:34.700 --> 00:17:42.860 It's just taking that pressure off a lot more and it's taking the pressure of how to govern 338 00:17:42.860 --> 00:17:43.860 friendships and stuff. 339 00:17:43.860 --> 00:17:48.900 And I think I've been able to be a lot better friend to people nowadays because I haven't 340 00:17:48.900 --> 00:17:53.780 been so worried about the friendship itself, does that make sense? 341 00:17:53.780 --> 00:18:00.140 Like I think even the difference of 2025, you know, in the last five months, I think 342 00:18:00.140 --> 00:18:06.620 I've been able to be in a lot, just a lot more caring, a lot more present, a lot more 343 00:18:06.620 --> 00:18:15.300 loving to people because I'm not thinking about like our friendship anymore, which I 344 00:18:15.300 --> 00:18:16.540 used to do quite a lot. 345 00:18:16.540 --> 00:18:22.340 I used to, I used to think about the friendship I was in in the moment I was in it. 346 00:18:22.340 --> 00:18:29.140 But I think the Lord's really helped take a weight off that where now I can just be 347 00:18:29.140 --> 00:18:34.700 Sam there, like a B-Sam and I can sit across from Jesse and like, we had a lovely time 348 00:18:34.700 --> 00:18:41.140 last week, where I think two years ago, it's probably one of the first times you've ever 349 00:18:41.140 --> 00:18:45.220 gone on like a one to one and just had a proper catch up last week, yeah, yeah, last 350 00:18:45.220 --> 00:18:46.220 week, yeah. 351 00:18:46.220 --> 00:18:50.660 I think two years ago, because obviously this is the same church community, I would have 352 00:18:50.660 --> 00:18:55.500 been like, right, being in this new bloke called Jesse, got to be on, like I've got to 353 00:18:55.500 --> 00:19:00.340 be, I've got to be, make sure I ask all the right questions, I've got to be really chatty, 354 00:19:00.340 --> 00:19:03.460 I've got to make them laugh a bit, but be there if he needs it as a friend. 355 00:19:03.460 --> 00:19:06.020 Like honestly, I used to think about those kind of things. 356 00:19:06.020 --> 00:19:09.940 And yeah, last week's a great example where I would just put up for a coffee tea, I was 357 00:19:09.940 --> 00:19:12.140 like, hey, how are you? 358 00:19:12.140 --> 00:19:13.140 And I was ready for it. 359 00:19:13.140 --> 00:19:17.820 I was like, I was okay with whatever it was going to be. 360 00:19:17.820 --> 00:19:22.820 And I think that weight has only come off from the Lord because it used to be something 361 00:19:22.820 --> 00:19:25.420 I was really worried about. 362 00:19:25.420 --> 00:19:28.660 I guess that's something where the Lord's moved, a little bit of an example. 363 00:19:28.660 --> 00:19:29.660 Yeah, it's great. 364 00:19:29.660 --> 00:19:36.500 It kind of sounds like perception, like, or like, you know, some people used the language, 365 00:19:36.500 --> 00:19:42.740 fear of man, which basically means like, just very aware of what other people think, so 366 00:19:42.740 --> 00:19:48.420 you'll act out of trying to please, rather than, and trying to fit a mold, rather than 367 00:19:48.420 --> 00:19:52.700 just being who you are as a son of God and then acting. 368 00:19:52.700 --> 00:19:56.020 And like, even hearing a bit of your story, because I don't really know much of your story. 369 00:19:56.020 --> 00:20:02.220 I remember meeting you years ago when you really first started coming to our church and 370 00:20:02.220 --> 00:20:06.620 getting involved and kind of seeing the journey a little bit from a distance, because I 371 00:20:06.620 --> 00:20:11.260 wasn't, we hadn't really hung out one on one. 372 00:20:11.260 --> 00:20:17.460 And like seeing and noticing the difference over over months where you started off kind 373 00:20:17.460 --> 00:20:23.500 of like quite present and rank active and then like six months later, I see you praying, 374 00:20:23.500 --> 00:20:27.540 cry for someone for the first time and I'm like, and just seeing these like little 375 00:20:27.540 --> 00:20:34.700 moment to break through, and I think even your story of growing up in a Christian family, 376 00:20:34.700 --> 00:20:39.420 in a Christian school with three older siblings who are all like part of this Maya's family, 377 00:20:39.420 --> 00:20:43.100 like that's how you described it, like, you're like, oh, I'm a Maya's boy. 378 00:20:43.100 --> 00:20:47.940 So people who think this about me, people who think this about me, and then he comes 379 00:20:47.940 --> 00:20:51.380 to church and you're like, oh, I need to think about how friends look at me. 380 00:20:51.380 --> 00:20:57.740 It's like, it's a lot of perception, which is awesome, yeah, that the Lord's kind of 381 00:20:57.740 --> 00:20:59.260 breaking through that. 382 00:20:59.260 --> 00:21:04.500 And I think it's a lot of people's story, like when they grew up in a Christian household, 383 00:21:04.500 --> 00:21:06.900 they'd probably feel that way a little bit. 384 00:21:06.900 --> 00:21:07.900 Yeah. 385 00:21:07.900 --> 00:21:08.900 Well, you were going to say so. 386 00:21:08.900 --> 00:21:12.940 But I was going to say, yeah, also, I think it's so interesting when you look back on 387 00:21:12.940 --> 00:21:19.780 it, because it's like, how much of that was in my head is unbelievable, like the concept 388 00:21:19.780 --> 00:21:24.740 of being a Maya's was definitely so much larger to me than it was to anyone else. 389 00:21:24.740 --> 00:21:29.860 I'm sure no one in my year or my school noticed any sort of thing like that. 390 00:21:29.860 --> 00:21:36.260 But for me, it became such a big thing and it's such an exasperation of the fear of 391 00:21:36.260 --> 00:21:45.020 man because it's so, it's so inflated and like when you're like, when your ego is inflated, 392 00:21:45.020 --> 00:21:50.140 you're trying to make it bigger than it is, like when you inflate a balloon, there's nothing 393 00:21:50.140 --> 00:21:56.740 inside the middle, but like, like, and it was such an inflated thing with no backing 394 00:21:56.740 --> 00:21:57.740 behind it. 395 00:21:57.740 --> 00:22:05.040 But I think if nothing else, the Lord has just showed me so much where those inflated 396 00:22:05.040 --> 00:22:08.480 balloons of like was actually nothing in the middle, which would have either been causing 397 00:22:08.480 --> 00:22:11.120 me worry or fear. 398 00:22:11.120 --> 00:22:15.240 He's literally popped them and he's come along and he's been like, this actually is a 399 00:22:15.240 --> 00:22:16.240 balloon. 400 00:22:16.240 --> 00:22:17.960 There's nothing inside this. 401 00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:23.080 This is either within your mind or this is, as you say, fear of man or this is a multitude 402 00:22:23.080 --> 00:22:29.600 of other things, but I think, yeah, it really has that's something the Lord really has come 403 00:22:29.600 --> 00:22:30.600 along. 404 00:22:31.600 --> 00:22:35.080 It's super cool. 405 00:22:35.080 --> 00:22:41.560 I think what I find interesting is often you hear a narrative that when people grow up 406 00:22:41.560 --> 00:22:46.840 in school and they have like enough of the gospel to understand it, but not enough of 407 00:22:46.840 --> 00:22:53.560 it to understand its effect on you personally and the beauty of it, it usually leads people 408 00:22:53.560 --> 00:22:56.160 to walk away from faith. 409 00:22:56.160 --> 00:23:01.160 And there was a process where you kind of did, but you also stayed consistent and you 410 00:23:01.160 --> 00:23:09.000 also showed up and you also chose to show up and God broke through in that. 411 00:23:09.000 --> 00:23:12.200 And I think that's pretty rare to be honest. 412 00:23:12.200 --> 00:23:16.520 I feel like most people, most people who you chat to on the streets who have an experience 413 00:23:16.520 --> 00:23:21.520 in a Christian school are like, oh, I understand the faith now and I've chosen to reject it, 414 00:23:21.520 --> 00:23:24.920 but you never truly understood it. 415 00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:32.720 And I guess over that period of showing up, but also trying to do your own thing, was 416 00:23:32.720 --> 00:23:39.760 there any specific moments where it felt like you met with God and it totally redefined 417 00:23:39.760 --> 00:23:46.000 the way that the next couple of years would be, or was it all just a general process? 418 00:23:46.000 --> 00:23:53.720 There was certainly a moment when I went out to Durham for a weekend and the context 419 00:23:53.720 --> 00:23:56.800 not big cry, really a big cry. 420 00:23:56.800 --> 00:24:02.120 I am more now actually, but I used to be, I used to, I used to not be a cry, I hadn't 421 00:24:02.120 --> 00:24:07.960 cried and I want to say like two or three years. 422 00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:12.600 And just funny being an actor, I cried in acting, but I never cried for me, you know, in 423 00:24:12.600 --> 00:24:17.840 the past, but there was a moment where I'd been up to Durham for a weekend, I'd seen 424 00:24:17.840 --> 00:24:19.960 a girl I'd liked at the time. 425 00:24:19.960 --> 00:24:26.920 And though she never said it explicitly, we had a conversation where it was almost like, 426 00:24:26.920 --> 00:24:34.080 it'd be great to date you, but we're actually just not in the same place right now and realistically 427 00:24:34.080 --> 00:24:35.800 that was faith wise. 428 00:24:35.800 --> 00:24:43.280 I said she was a Christian, and I wasn't like, I was such a Sunday Christian, like more 429 00:24:43.280 --> 00:24:50.720 than anything else, and I had this train journey down from Durham and I cried the entire 430 00:24:50.720 --> 00:24:57.240 time, I cried for two hours and 53 minutes, I remember it, I really, for some reason I 431 00:24:57.240 --> 00:25:01.840 really specifically remember it was a two hour, 53 minute drink, and 20 seconds on, exactly. 432 00:25:01.840 --> 00:25:06.320 No, I think it was exactly two, two, five, two, five, two, three. 433 00:25:06.320 --> 00:25:09.400 From Durham to King's Cross, and I literally cried the entire time. 434 00:25:09.400 --> 00:25:15.880 And by the end it was like tears that I didn't have, but I was still going, and that was 435 00:25:15.880 --> 00:25:22.480 the moment where I really laid everything, not to go to wordy with it, but I laid everything 436 00:25:22.480 --> 00:25:27.080 at the foot of the cross, and I was like, Lord, this is all of it. 437 00:25:27.080 --> 00:25:28.560 This is it. 438 00:25:28.560 --> 00:25:33.200 This is my pastor right now, this is my present, this is the future I'm trying to get to, 439 00:25:33.200 --> 00:25:38.680 and I'm putting it all in front of you, Lord, and it's painful right now. 440 00:25:38.680 --> 00:25:47.880 And that I think was a real moment where I finally accepted the Lord was someone I wanted 441 00:25:47.880 --> 00:25:48.880 in my life. 442 00:25:48.880 --> 00:25:52.440 I don't think I've ever had a point where I thought the Lord wasn't real, which is rare. 443 00:25:52.440 --> 00:25:57.120 I don't think I've ever had a point where, for me, my testimony in my journey of faith 444 00:25:57.240 --> 00:25:59.160 was never is God real. 445 00:25:59.160 --> 00:26:02.760 It was, do I want him around? 446 00:26:02.760 --> 00:26:07.720 For me, he was always like, I was always like, I really thank my parents and my, my 447 00:26:07.720 --> 00:26:10.240 bring for this, but I was always like, I know he's real. 448 00:26:10.240 --> 00:26:15.480 I'd had a year and a half where I was like, I couldn't give anything less, I couldn't 449 00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:17.600 have zero interest. 450 00:26:17.600 --> 00:26:24.360 And that was a real moment where I was like, fine, fine, and I need you. 451 00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:30.400 And I think for the first time, actually, I'm happy about the fact I'd like to need you, 452 00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.000 like I want to need you. 453 00:26:32.000 --> 00:26:33.000 That's good. 454 00:26:33.000 --> 00:26:40.520 Okay, so I love the fact that in your story so far, it's often in response to other 455 00:26:40.520 --> 00:26:45.160 people's like, and like, community's reaction. 456 00:26:45.160 --> 00:26:48.920 Like for example, when you went to Durham, it's like, you had a moment where the girl 457 00:26:48.920 --> 00:26:53.360 who you fancied, and it was like, suddenly hit you like, oh my gosh, maybe I'm not living 458 00:26:53.360 --> 00:26:55.800 for this story, I should be. 459 00:26:55.800 --> 00:27:00.000 But I also know your brother, Rory, pretty well. 460 00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:05.720 And I know there was a whole dynamic where he was kind of fighting for you as well, and 461 00:27:05.720 --> 00:27:14.560 praying for you, and like, I just would love to hear about, like, what it's like in that 462 00:27:14.560 --> 00:27:17.880 time, did he not like him because he was praying for you? 463 00:27:17.880 --> 00:27:24.360 And like, but also like, you know, at what part of the community, and the Christian like 464 00:27:24.360 --> 00:27:28.640 body, or Christian church, seeing you come back to Jesus. 465 00:27:28.640 --> 00:27:31.440 Yeah, it's a good question. 466 00:27:31.440 --> 00:27:35.920 I think in that time, I saw Rory as a real like, Jesus loves you, Christian. 467 00:27:35.920 --> 00:27:39.480 You know, like you get those Christians sometimes, it was just like, hey, good morning, bro, 468 00:27:39.480 --> 00:27:40.480 Jesus loves you, brother. 469 00:27:40.480 --> 00:27:46.720 It's just like, it's just like, okay, I'll have a coffee, but that's sick. 470 00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:51.040 I think I saw my brother as that at that point. 471 00:27:51.040 --> 00:27:52.040 And I love those people. 472 00:27:52.040 --> 00:27:53.040 I'm about to be Rory's best man. 473 00:27:53.040 --> 00:27:57.920 Like, I love those people, but I saw him as a real, that type of person. 474 00:27:57.920 --> 00:28:06.480 And yeah, there was a real period, but he moved to London the same day, I moved to London. 475 00:28:06.480 --> 00:28:09.280 He went and did a year off, and then went to the year in Antwerp. 476 00:28:09.280 --> 00:28:10.280 Antwerp? 477 00:28:10.280 --> 00:28:11.280 Antwerp? 478 00:28:11.280 --> 00:28:12.280 Bowden? 479 00:28:12.280 --> 00:28:13.280 I've literally heard of that. 480 00:28:13.280 --> 00:28:14.280 Antwerp. 481 00:28:14.280 --> 00:28:16.480 It's called Suspicious Antwerp. 482 00:28:16.480 --> 00:28:20.360 And yeah, so we moved to London the same day, and he went to our church on the second 483 00:28:20.360 --> 00:28:22.360 day of being there. 484 00:28:22.360 --> 00:28:23.360 And I remember that day. 485 00:28:23.360 --> 00:28:24.360 Yeah. 486 00:28:24.360 --> 00:28:25.360 You'd probably do. 487 00:28:25.360 --> 00:28:29.200 It's the first day he was there, and he met Levi there for the first day, also Levi's 488 00:28:29.200 --> 00:28:30.880 first day. 489 00:28:30.880 --> 00:28:36.240 And he was just always advocating me to come, come along, do this, do that. 490 00:28:36.240 --> 00:28:40.400 It's actually a very funny story where all of my current friends now were praying for 491 00:28:40.400 --> 00:28:44.160 me two years ago on a weekend away, where I didn't know any of them. 492 00:28:44.160 --> 00:28:48.400 They were praying for me as Rory's younger brother Sam. 493 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:53.680 And now these are like all my friends, which is really funny, and it really shows how 494 00:28:53.680 --> 00:28:55.800 he was just like pushing for me. 495 00:28:55.800 --> 00:29:04.560 But I think I felt a real sense of not being welcomed but being wanted by Rory. 496 00:29:04.560 --> 00:29:10.000 I think it's a real difference sometimes, and like, hey, you're really welcome here. 497 00:29:10.000 --> 00:29:13.840 Like absolutely come in, sit down, have a coffee. 498 00:29:13.840 --> 00:29:21.520 But when you're really wanted somewhere, it's like, wow, this place is made better for 499 00:29:21.520 --> 00:29:29.680 your presence, and this place is taken forward by you being here. 500 00:29:29.680 --> 00:29:38.760 And I think I felt a real difference in church by being not only welcomed in, but being 501 00:29:38.760 --> 00:29:44.000 wanted in, almost being dragged out of being like, this is exactly where you need to be. 502 00:29:44.000 --> 00:29:46.280 And Lord knows we want you here. 503 00:29:46.280 --> 00:29:52.560 And I've really felt that at our church, and I felt that from my brother. 504 00:29:52.560 --> 00:29:57.400 So yeah, it was just the soft voice. 505 00:29:57.400 --> 00:30:04.400 And I think that's just reminded me of during that whole time, like, you know, I think 506 00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.440 maybe it was just a blessing that I always knew about it. 507 00:30:08.440 --> 00:30:11.320 My parents always brought me up on, like, the still small voice. 508 00:30:11.320 --> 00:30:14.080 And that, like, that almost Holy Spirit in your head. 509 00:30:14.080 --> 00:30:19.000 And I spent a really long time trying to drown that out, which is so funny to me nowadays, 510 00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.400 because it's like, this is like a lifeline. 511 00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:25.200 This is like the Holy Spirit got feeling. 512 00:30:25.200 --> 00:30:34.600 But I really felt like I was, for the first time, like wanting to hear that voice again, 513 00:30:34.600 --> 00:30:38.920 wanting to hear that still small voice that was like, which was always right, right? 514 00:30:38.920 --> 00:30:43.920 Like that still small voice is like, always of like, should you have another drink? 515 00:30:43.920 --> 00:30:44.920 Sure. 516 00:30:44.920 --> 00:30:48.360 And then the next morning, you were like, oh, I think that was the switch I shouldn't 517 00:30:48.360 --> 00:30:50.000 have had another drink. 518 00:30:50.000 --> 00:30:53.800 But you don't, you never want to give it the satisfaction, you know? 519 00:30:53.800 --> 00:31:00.760 And I think Rory and just being like really fielded back in well to church allowed me 520 00:31:00.760 --> 00:31:03.920 to listen to that still small voice again. 521 00:31:04.760 --> 00:31:12.040 I mean, tell us about that story of how Rory felt from the Lord, like the whole baptism 522 00:31:12.040 --> 00:31:13.040 situation. 523 00:31:13.040 --> 00:31:14.040 Yeah. 524 00:31:14.040 --> 00:31:15.040 Tell us about that. 525 00:31:15.040 --> 00:31:16.040 Yeah. 526 00:31:16.040 --> 00:31:17.040 That's crazy. 527 00:31:17.040 --> 00:31:18.040 That's a beautiful time. 528 00:31:18.040 --> 00:31:19.040 That's such a rigged story. 529 00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:23.080 So, for context, my brother and I were baptized on the same day. 530 00:31:23.080 --> 00:31:32.480 And we, Rory had had a bit of a prophetic word in prayer four years earlier that he, he 531 00:31:32.480 --> 00:31:35.480 was going to get baptized on me on the same day. 532 00:31:35.480 --> 00:31:43.320 And at this point, I think I was in year 13 of school and I was, his girlfriend just turned 533 00:31:43.320 --> 00:31:44.320 to him at the time. 534 00:31:44.320 --> 00:31:48.920 He's now fiancee turned to him at the time and said, you sure? 535 00:31:48.920 --> 00:31:53.720 Sounds seeming pretty un-Christian right now, like, yeah, we're praying for him and all 536 00:31:53.720 --> 00:31:57.360 that, but I don't think it's, I don't think it's coming by anytime soon, like that one's 537 00:31:57.360 --> 00:31:58.360 not in the post. 538 00:31:58.360 --> 00:32:00.800 It's still at, it's still at the warehouse, you know? 539 00:32:00.800 --> 00:32:06.920 And he's about four and a half, now three and a half years later, but we were still 540 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:09.680 on the, saying on the same stage, talking about our testimonies. 541 00:32:09.680 --> 00:32:15.720 And Rory told that story of how he got a word and, yeah, I guess two and a half years 542 00:32:15.720 --> 00:32:18.120 after that, I just sent him where he texted me, like, hey, I'm going to get baptized on 543 00:32:18.120 --> 00:32:19.120 the six of June. 544 00:32:19.120 --> 00:32:20.120 And he was like, yeah, cool. 545 00:32:20.120 --> 00:32:21.120 So am I. 546 00:32:21.120 --> 00:32:22.120 It's crazy. 547 00:32:22.120 --> 00:32:23.120 And he was like, yeah, perfect. 548 00:32:23.120 --> 00:32:25.640 I've been waiting for that. 549 00:32:25.640 --> 00:32:32.240 And again, it's just such a testament of, like, shoulder to shoulder brotherhood of like, 550 00:32:32.240 --> 00:32:35.720 I know he's my actual brother, but also he was such a brother in Christ to me. 551 00:32:35.720 --> 00:32:38.720 It's another very, like, Christianity word, but he was true. 552 00:32:38.720 --> 00:32:42.560 He was such a brother in Christ to me of like, he was like, I'm not letting you go down 553 00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:44.760 on this ship, you know? 554 00:32:44.760 --> 00:32:49.120 Like, this ship's sinking and I'm not letting you go down on it. 555 00:32:49.120 --> 00:32:53.360 And he was like, I'm bringing you with me and I'm going to try my best to put as many 556 00:32:53.360 --> 00:32:54.840 life checks on you as I can. 557 00:32:54.840 --> 00:33:01.200 And all it took was me to just pull one toggle and just flow up to the top. 558 00:33:01.200 --> 00:33:05.040 But yeah, he really, he really helped me, he helped me strong on that. 559 00:33:05.040 --> 00:33:06.040 That's so good. 560 00:33:06.040 --> 00:33:12.240 I loved the point when he said, you were wanted and you know, one, not just welcome. 561 00:33:12.240 --> 00:33:14.720 And there's how there's a difference between it to you. 562 00:33:14.720 --> 00:33:19.440 And there's a deep belonging that you found in your brother saying you're wanted. 563 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:21.160 Not just welcome. 564 00:33:21.160 --> 00:33:22.160 We want you. 565 00:33:22.160 --> 00:33:23.160 The messy you. 566 00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:24.160 All of you. 567 00:33:24.160 --> 00:33:25.160 It's Jesus, isn't it? 568 00:33:25.160 --> 00:33:26.160 And that is Jesus. 569 00:33:26.160 --> 00:33:27.160 That is Jesus. 570 00:33:27.160 --> 00:33:28.160 What? 571 00:33:28.160 --> 00:33:33.680 I think, honestly, like, it comes back to the same, all of these classic Christian quotes 572 00:33:33.680 --> 00:33:39.320 of like, you don't go to the hospital when you're healthy, you know? 573 00:33:39.320 --> 00:33:44.840 And there's such like a perception and a concept of like, Christians are perfect. 574 00:33:44.840 --> 00:33:45.840 Christians are perfect. 575 00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:46.840 Yeah. 576 00:33:46.840 --> 00:33:47.840 Yeah. 577 00:33:47.840 --> 00:33:48.840 It's great. 578 00:33:48.840 --> 00:33:49.840 You guys are perfect. 579 00:33:50.240 --> 00:33:53.240 And like, you weigh a Sunday best and you do this and the other. 580 00:33:53.240 --> 00:33:58.400 And I just felt a real debuffling of that when I came into our church because it was 581 00:33:58.400 --> 00:34:04.360 like, oh, wow, I'm actually like, wanted here, but it's nothing to do with who I am. 582 00:34:04.360 --> 00:34:05.360 Right. 583 00:34:05.360 --> 00:34:09.640 Like, it's nothing to do with what I've done, how perfect I was this week, how many times 584 00:34:09.640 --> 00:34:15.760 I sinned or failed or did this and the other or did what the world thought was amazing 585 00:34:15.760 --> 00:34:19.680 or what I thought was amazing or vice versa on the bad side of things. 586 00:34:19.680 --> 00:34:26.600 And I just got to this room and I was just treated with such love and such like, you 587 00:34:26.600 --> 00:34:30.000 are wanted here, like, this is your space. 588 00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:32.720 That is literally just the, that is just Jesus. 589 00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:33.720 It's so, you know what I mean? 590 00:34:33.720 --> 00:34:40.000 Like the whole Bible and everything that like the New Testament and all that, like the 591 00:34:40.000 --> 00:34:47.200 gospels of Jesus, how he wanted imperfect people, you know, he actually changed the lives 592 00:34:47.200 --> 00:34:48.200 of those. 593 00:34:48.200 --> 00:34:51.840 Oh, he came across with us, it's just profound. 594 00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:56.360 And I just, like, the fact that your brother Rory was like, no, I'm not going to let you 595 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:58.720 sink in the ship. 596 00:34:58.720 --> 00:35:04.200 I think is like, it builds so much faith in me to not give up on my friends that I feel 597 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:06.760 like I've given up on. 598 00:35:06.760 --> 00:35:09.800 And I think that is a reminder for all of us. 599 00:35:09.920 --> 00:35:15.840 No way, our pros are actually so powerful and we will, like, our friends can come to faith 600 00:35:15.840 --> 00:35:20.640 and they can, and they will, you know, and we shouldn't give up on them, we should 601 00:35:20.640 --> 00:35:22.120 continue to pray for them. 602 00:35:22.120 --> 00:35:24.360 And yeah, I love that. 603 00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:32.600 But also, I just wanted to say, thank you and well done for like leaning in to the Lord 604 00:35:32.600 --> 00:35:40.200 and like, that's still a small voice that you became so hungry for and, oh, love you 605 00:35:40.200 --> 00:35:41.200 bro. 606 00:35:41.200 --> 00:35:45.120 Anyway, what are a few things that you would tell your younger self now? 607 00:35:45.120 --> 00:35:50.280 If you look back to younger Sam, what would you tell him? 608 00:35:50.280 --> 00:35:52.400 Don't do the eyebrow slit. 609 00:35:52.400 --> 00:35:56.200 Yeah, honestly, don't do such bad face. 610 00:35:56.200 --> 00:35:57.720 Don't do a buzz. 611 00:35:57.720 --> 00:35:59.440 It's not worth it. 612 00:35:59.560 --> 00:36:03.560 The mobile needed to get the five-year quiff. 613 00:36:03.560 --> 00:36:04.880 Oh, my God. 614 00:36:04.880 --> 00:36:07.000 This little pumpkin of like, what am I going to do in my hair today? 615 00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:07.840 Oh, yeah. 616 00:36:07.840 --> 00:36:09.320 Drag it forward. 617 00:36:09.320 --> 00:36:11.280 Absolutely outrageous. 618 00:36:12.240 --> 00:36:18.920 What I would say to my younger self is like, stop trying to get it so right, you know, 619 00:36:18.920 --> 00:36:20.600 stop trying to get it so perfect. 620 00:36:20.600 --> 00:36:28.240 Like, like, I had, I had the free track, like I had the great, about as advantageous as 621 00:36:28.320 --> 00:36:29.960 you can start with your Christian faith. 622 00:36:29.960 --> 00:36:36.280 It had the Christian family, the Christian school, the Christian camps, like the people cheering 623 00:36:36.280 --> 00:36:46.640 me on, like, and still then, I got it so wrong so many times because I had years of pushing 624 00:36:46.640 --> 00:36:50.680 away from it really hard and I think I had such a perception of you have to get this 625 00:36:50.680 --> 00:36:51.680 perfect. 626 00:36:51.680 --> 00:36:52.680 You don't. 627 00:36:52.680 --> 00:36:57.320 If we touched on it, it's that same thing of like, you don't go to the hospital when 628 00:36:57.320 --> 00:37:03.360 you're healthy, like, hospital is a place for treatment for getting better. 629 00:37:03.360 --> 00:37:09.840 It's obviously not just that, but there's a real similarity to that in church, which 630 00:37:09.840 --> 00:37:17.640 is like, the perception that you go to church, because you're a good person, and the people 631 00:37:17.640 --> 00:37:23.080 who go to church can only be the good people and the good ones get saved. 632 00:37:23.080 --> 00:37:26.320 Like, that concept is so crazy. 633 00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:30.440 Like, I thought I had to prepare so much in myself to be really good. 634 00:37:30.440 --> 00:37:33.920 It's like I was talking about earlier with like, being right with God and being right 635 00:37:33.920 --> 00:37:34.920 and wrong. 636 00:37:34.920 --> 00:37:38.560 Like, I thought there was so much I had to do when I would go in and be like, right, am 637 00:37:38.560 --> 00:37:39.720 I right with God today? 638 00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:41.880 Am I going to connect with the service today? 639 00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:44.880 Am I going to feel the worship today because I've been right with God? 640 00:37:44.880 --> 00:37:46.760 Did I do good for the last 24 hours? 641 00:37:46.760 --> 00:37:47.760 Hmm. 642 00:37:47.760 --> 00:37:51.840 And I put such a pressure on all of that, like, let it go. 643 00:37:51.840 --> 00:37:53.240 Just let it go. 644 00:37:53.240 --> 00:37:57.720 Like, the Lord doesn't want perfect portraits. 645 00:37:57.720 --> 00:38:03.440 If he did, we'd be robots, and we wouldn't need to have all of this. 646 00:38:03.440 --> 00:38:10.800 Like, there wouldn't need to be evangelism if we were all perfect, because you wouldn't 647 00:38:10.800 --> 00:38:15.880 need to tell anyone the Lord loves you, because we'd all know, because we're all perfect. 648 00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:20.480 The fact that the Lord's love is so pressed into the Bible and so clear and so clear 649 00:38:20.480 --> 00:38:26.000 and evangelism and made really clear is because none of us are perfect, and you don't need 650 00:38:26.000 --> 00:38:28.680 to be perfect to get into church. 651 00:38:28.680 --> 00:38:29.680 Nothing on that. 652 00:38:29.680 --> 00:38:30.680 Say it. 653 00:38:30.680 --> 00:38:31.680 There's nothing on that. 654 00:38:31.680 --> 00:38:35.000 Like, that's what I would say to my younger self is you're like, you need to chill out. 655 00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:42.040 You just stop being so panicked or being like, right, well, that's it. 656 00:38:42.040 --> 00:38:45.680 I've messed my chance like I ruined it. 657 00:38:45.680 --> 00:38:52.680 And I've had a lot of chats with like non-Christian friends, and I know there are so many reasons 658 00:38:52.680 --> 00:38:54.120 for people to don't be Christian. 659 00:38:54.120 --> 00:38:57.000 And genuinely, I'm called that. 660 00:38:57.000 --> 00:39:00.440 Like, I would love you to come to church with me. 661 00:39:00.440 --> 00:39:04.720 I would love you to feel what I'm feeling. 662 00:39:04.720 --> 00:39:09.600 It is the most important thing in my life, and I truly believe it would be the most important 663 00:39:09.600 --> 00:39:10.600 thing in your life. 664 00:39:10.600 --> 00:39:14.600 But if you don't, I'm not going to, I'm not going to jam it down your throat. 665 00:39:14.600 --> 00:39:20.200 But I want the one thing that I always say to all my non-Christian friends is that you 666 00:39:20.200 --> 00:39:22.440 are welcome in that room. 667 00:39:22.440 --> 00:39:24.600 You are wanted in that room. 668 00:39:24.600 --> 00:39:28.680 Like, same back to that, wanted and welcome. 669 00:39:28.680 --> 00:39:30.400 You are wanted in that room. 670 00:39:30.400 --> 00:39:33.800 It's not, hey, come in, have a coffee, sit at the back. 671 00:39:33.800 --> 00:39:38.080 It's, hey, we're so glad you're here. 672 00:39:38.080 --> 00:39:39.080 It's great. 673 00:39:39.080 --> 00:39:40.080 You're here. 674 00:39:40.080 --> 00:39:42.280 We're so excited, you're here. 675 00:39:42.280 --> 00:39:45.920 And you don't need to feel everything, it doesn't need to be perfect. 676 00:39:45.920 --> 00:39:49.800 You don't need to get up and cry and feel all this, have encounter immediately, and then 677 00:39:49.800 --> 00:39:52.080 give your life to the Lord on the first day. 678 00:39:52.080 --> 00:39:58.200 Just come in and know that you're wanted here, and it doesn't matter how you conduct. 679 00:39:58.200 --> 00:40:00.160 It doesn't matter what you did that week. 680 00:40:00.160 --> 00:40:06.200 It doesn't matter how you conduct your relationships, what you do with your evenings, what you take 681 00:40:06.200 --> 00:40:07.200 or don't take. 682 00:40:07.200 --> 00:40:08.200 It doesn't matter. 683 00:40:08.200 --> 00:40:09.680 You're welcome in church. 684 00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:10.680 You're wanted in church. 685 00:40:10.680 --> 00:40:11.680 That's good. 686 00:40:11.680 --> 00:40:12.920 You're wanted through that door. 687 00:40:12.920 --> 00:40:13.920 Yeah. 688 00:40:13.920 --> 00:40:19.520 It's never been about performance, perfection, striving for acceptance. 689 00:40:19.520 --> 00:40:23.520 Let me tell you something about it. 690 00:40:23.520 --> 00:40:24.520 Jesse Young Gays. 691 00:40:24.520 --> 00:40:28.000 Do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, do it, Jesse just does a little 692 00:40:28.000 --> 00:40:29.000 tingle. 693 00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:30.000 Rigg-a-gay. 694 00:40:30.000 --> 00:40:35.600 You know, that's, so, that's Jack Black, from, from, from, from, from, from, from, from 695 00:40:35.860 --> 00:41:04.920 Neverthinkin', remember, I braces 696 00:41:04.920 --> 00:41:06.760 much of a stinky butt as I am. 697 00:41:06.760 --> 00:41:09.200 Maybe even worse, bro. 698 00:41:09.200 --> 00:41:10.040 I owned it. 699 00:41:10.040 --> 00:41:15.040 In the car on our long road trips, this man would just let it rip. 700 00:41:15.040 --> 00:41:17.240 The people sat at the back, had it the worst. 701 00:41:17.240 --> 00:41:23.480 And I was sat at the back a lot of the time, and you would be honest, but it reaped. 702 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:28.000 I'd be like, guys, add a wrap for breakfast with bacon and eggs and more cheese than there 703 00:41:28.000 --> 00:41:29.480 should have been. 704 00:41:29.480 --> 00:41:32.280 I'm a fart. 705 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:33.280 I'm gonna let you know. 706 00:41:33.280 --> 00:41:34.800 Dude, I'm gonna be farting. 707 00:41:34.800 --> 00:41:37.600 You just know when that window goes brrrrrrr. 708 00:41:37.600 --> 00:41:39.120 Everyone's like, ohhhhh. 709 00:41:39.120 --> 00:41:41.240 Someone's coming. 710 00:41:41.240 --> 00:41:45.560 If anyone looked at me, I would have been like, yep, this is what's about to happen. 711 00:41:45.560 --> 00:41:47.160 I'm probably gonna fart right now. 712 00:41:47.160 --> 00:41:50.880 And I'm not gonna lie to you from track record. 713 00:41:50.880 --> 00:41:52.160 It's not gonna be good. 714 00:41:52.160 --> 00:41:53.800 It's not good. 715 00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:55.880 Fellow Brits out here out there. 716 00:41:55.880 --> 00:41:59.800 If you ever do go to the States and you had the same problems- 717 00:41:59.800 --> 00:42:00.800 The meets the Cheesemi. 718 00:42:00.800 --> 00:42:01.800 The Taco Bellinke. 719 00:42:01.800 --> 00:42:02.800 The Taco Bellinke. 720 00:42:02.800 --> 00:42:06.920 But Linke ruined my ball system, straight up. 721 00:42:06.920 --> 00:42:08.840 But Sam, what a joy you are. 722 00:42:08.840 --> 00:42:10.240 Thank you for coming on the pod. 723 00:42:10.240 --> 00:42:12.560 We love listening to your story. 724 00:42:12.560 --> 00:42:14.320 It's got a powerful testimony, bro. 725 00:42:14.320 --> 00:42:18.040 And it's so cool to see that sparkle in your eye, bro. 726 00:42:18.040 --> 00:42:19.320 Come on now. 727 00:42:19.320 --> 00:42:21.680 But guys, yeah, Holy Spirit. 728 00:42:21.680 --> 00:42:23.040 Wanted not just welcome. 729 00:42:23.040 --> 00:42:26.240 Hey, hey, that's one thing that you take away from this pod. 730 00:42:26.240 --> 00:42:28.520 Guys, thanks so much for tuning in. 731 00:42:28.520 --> 00:42:29.960 We love you guys. 732 00:42:29.960 --> 00:42:31.520 Comment down below. 733 00:42:31.520 --> 00:42:36.160 That got the link is you've gone to this point. 734 00:42:36.160 --> 00:42:36.920 Your favorite. 735 00:42:36.920 --> 00:42:37.440 Just so done. 736 00:42:37.440 --> 00:42:38.440 Look at you. 737 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:40.360 He's so done. 738 00:42:40.360 --> 00:42:42.960 I just, I'm worth listening to on it. 739 00:42:42.960 --> 00:42:46.640 Guys, comment down below your favorite Mexican dish, food, 740 00:42:46.640 --> 00:42:47.880 whatever it is. 741 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:48.320 I'm going to see you. 742 00:42:48.320 --> 00:42:49.400 That's crazy. 743 00:42:49.400 --> 00:42:51.880 We'll see you for the next vid. 744 00:42:51.880 --> 00:42:52.880 Next time. 745 00:42:52.880 --> 00:42:53.880 Bye guys.