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It was an intense time.

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We had to win football games, but all the rest was on my plate as well.

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I need a break, and you cannot do that in that business. You cannot say, give me a year, see you later.

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So, thanks the question.

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Do you think you could ever go back and manage Liverpool again?

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It's possible.

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So, what would it take?

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You changed the club, you changed the city.

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You arrived at a time when clubs were in a period of dysfunction to bring that club back to its glory.

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I needed that over and over and over again.

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Now, to win in a very decisive moment, you have to be the best team and to be the best team.

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Everybody has to buy into that team and walk through fire together.

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What do I get people to walk through fire?

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I better go back to the start.

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Growing up, my mum was very caring, she loved people, and my dad had expectations.

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The problem was, I was absolutely useless in most of the things, even with football.

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My teammates were better than me, and I thought, I only can't get on that level.

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If from the person to the last minute, I was a worry on the pitch, but it made me the guy I am today.

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And so, my team plays a little bit more like a heavy metal band, because you have 90 minutes, and there's no guarantee to get anything.

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But the only chance to get something is to give you all.

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So, do you want to have the maximum success?

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Don't waste time with holding back.

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I want to know why Manchester United didn't do this.

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No, to try it.

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But there are some reasons in that conversation, which I didn't like.

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Arnie Sloc coming in after you, and didn't change much.

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That's super smart, not changing much, and all of a sudden, you win the league by some distance.

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But this year, Liverpool have spent more $450,000,000.

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You never had a transfer window like that.

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Nobody ever told me that it's possible, that it becomes banned, that you seem to always see successful.

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How does someone succeed you?

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You want to be able to become the best team in England?

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You need to.

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Just give me 30 seconds of your time.

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Two things I wanted to say.

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The first thing is a huge thank you for listening and tuning into the show.

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Week after week means the world to all of us, and this really is a dream that we absolutely never had.

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And couldn't have imagined getting to this place.

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But secondly, it's a dream where we feel like we're only just getting started.

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I'm going to do everything in my power to make this show as good as I can now and into the future.

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We're going to deliver the guests that you want me to speak to,

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Thank you.

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To understand you and the man and the anomaly that you went on to be in your career and still are,

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what do I need to understand about your very earliest context where you came from?

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And how can you point out to me how that very early context created the person you are today and that everybody knows you to be?

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I think we all are who we are because of the environment we grew up.

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My dad was a salesman and my mom came from a family.

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My grandma had a brewery and she worked there in all these kind of things.

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But her only purpose was her kids.

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She loved me more than her own life, definitely.

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And my dad had expectations.

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He loved me as well, but he had expectations when my mom didn't.

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So my mom was so happy that I was there and my dad had always something where he was not really happy with.

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And all the things my dad wanted me to do, I loved doing.

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So he wanted me to be a sports guy, each sport, tennis, skiing, football, that was his life.

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So he wanted that his son is good at that and I loved doing it.

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If I would have been sitting at home and drawing or whatever, he would every day take me out and say go outside and play something.

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But then pretty quick, when I became better, it was never good enough.

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So that was the process.

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So that's how I was brought up.

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That's him.

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That's definitely.

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Can I keep this picture?

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Of course you can.

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That's good.

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Because I have them, but I'm not sure where.

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Yeah, exactly.

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Good looking guy, yeah.

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Was he a tough, tough man?

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Yeah.

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It's not long ago.

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I never, I never got hit, whatever, never, never, never.

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He was just, he wanted to bring the best out of me.

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I think that was what he wanted.

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Tough in a way.

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How people who are brought up in that time, probably, but not tough, endless.

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That you thought, do you don't want to have to do anything with him?

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No, no, I loved him too.

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And he loved me.

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He was very proud, but never said it.

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And these kind of things.

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So he was a good guy, a really good guy.

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But with his son, he wanted him to be ambitious and was a bit afraid

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that I might be not ambitious enough.

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So a competitive manner here.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Reading about stories of him racing, you on ski slopes and sprint races

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and never letting you win.

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That's true.

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Who knows if it was right?

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Probably it was right.

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I don't know.

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It was not nice in a way when you tell the story.

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It's like, my God, come on, let the poor boy win or whatever.

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He had no chance.

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It's just you stand on the touch line and you're on to the halfway line.

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And when you look back over the course of your career, are there moments

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where you have flashback to lessons that he taught you or principles

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or values that he taught you that you think, gosh, I got that from my dad?

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The one skill I realized that my dad had without knowing

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that time it was a skill he could speak publicly.

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You don't know that you have that, that I have it.

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Today I know it.

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I don't care if a camera is in my face or whatever.

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I say what I have to say in that moment without being too worried

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what might people think about it if I'm convinced it's right?

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And I say talking in public is not a problem.

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It's probably from him.

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My law for people unintentionally is from my mom.

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So this mix of a very confident and a very caring, very confident dad

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and very caring mom is where I was brought up in the middle of it.

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And you wanted to be a doctor before then?

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So you were aiming to be a doctor that didn't work out?

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Yeah, that's right.

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Why, why doctor?

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No, it was always something I wanted to do.

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So in all this wonderful upbringing,

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it was pretty clear that money is an issue,

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not in a sense that we didn't have enough.

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It was kind of enough.

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But I remember discussions, bad discussions about money.

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arguments if you want, who spent that, who spent that.

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I was the little one that just sat around and listened to it.

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But there was a moment in my life when I realized I have to earn a lot of money

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and they can solve that law.

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I wanted to earn money to not having this kind of discussions

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with my wife or with the kids or whatever.

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So it grew as a thought.

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When you are a young man and you think, what could you do with life?

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And for me it was clear I cannot earn my money with football

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because in my mind I wasn't good enough.

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And then I got surprised by some people they thought,

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oh, there's something that could be interesting.

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What did they see in you as a football player?

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What was it that they saw in you as a young man?

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Because I've got these wonderful photos of you as a young player.

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Oh my god.

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So in my village, I was the best player in my village.

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So I scored the goals.

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I was the fastest, all this kind of physical talent.

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I was really fast.

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Later on in a study sport science,

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I could jump far, I could jump high, all these kind of things.

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It was a physical talent.

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The problem was small spaces, technique.

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That was my problem.

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So what they saw probably is the attitude.

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I was a worry on the pitch.

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It was difficult to beat me stuff like this to get kicked out of the game

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or get me out of the game.

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I was really focused at a really good attitude for the game.

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But I didn't see it.

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So I was literally surprised by the approach from professional football clubs.

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I didn't think who's coming.

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The question was, are you number seven from the game before?

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Come on, let's have a chat.

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Do you want to come to Frankfurt?

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That was the question.

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It was before that.

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It was 87.

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And you were 20 years old at the time when you went to Frankfurt?

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Yeah.

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Well, I mean, a lot happens in your 20th year of life.

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Yeah.

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A lot happens.

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That was a change.

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Wow.

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Yeah, I came to Frankfurt.

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It didn't take long that I met Mark's mom.

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Your son's mom, yeah.

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Yeah, exactly.

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And then she got pregnant and December 88.

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I became a father.

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Were you scared?

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20 years old become a father?

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Massively.

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When I heard she's pregnant, I wanted to run away and go, oh God, it's not me.

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So the moment when I got aware of the fact that I will be a dad, that was really scared.

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The night 13th December of December 1988 when Mark was born was the night when I became an adult.

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And the night who changed my life in the right direction.

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From that moment on, I was always more and adult than all the other people in my age group.

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So at the university, there were parties I couldn't go.

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The wedding holiday, I played football, low wages, third division Germany, had two other jobs.

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One in the morning, one at night, and playing semi professional football.

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That taught me to discipline.

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I didn't have to learn at home because I had no jobs to do in the house.

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So I got it a bit later, but it made me the guy I am today.

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Because if I experienced, when you became a manager yourself, did that become a bit of a personal reference point

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to understand the individuals that you were managing?

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Because if you were managing a 21-year-old dad versus a 21-year-old that didn't have kids,

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did you understand them to be different?

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One is, in your own words, one is potentially a man and an adult.

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And one doesn't know what that is yet.

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Yes, of course.

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I don't just want to say I like people, and I'm super curious.

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Everybody has a story to tell, so I want to hear it.

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I think I asked that question in part because I heard stories that Sir Alex Ferguson would prefer players

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who had a girlfriend or wife and kids.

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Yeah.

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And I was wondering if there's any truth to that.

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If they have a different stability or...

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Oh, it's probably.

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Yeah.

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The cover problems you can have a great partner, married or not, and everything is fine.

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It's a wrong partner.

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It's not great.

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You have no partner.

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Not great for some.

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And you have too many.

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It's not great.

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So there are so many things in life.

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So I never thought about that.

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I heard about it.

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I told you, Germany, very successful manager, Audrey Heigel.

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I love him to bits.

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Fantastic guy.

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He had a swell.

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I think he said it once as well.

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And he once married players because they go home and stuff like this.

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That's one part of the personality.

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But not the overwhelming or the most decisive or whatever.

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So it's like...

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And you need on the football.

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You need the cheeky ones as well.

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So they need them.

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The one who understood the street smart.

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You need as well.

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They get out of situations in life and on the pitch.

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Stuff like this.

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So it's a mix of everything.

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That's what I loved about football teams.

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I treated them.

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Let me say 50% of the time completely the same.

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And 50% what he needs, what he needs, what he needs.

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But in front of the other teammates.

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So players came to me.

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Why do you treat me like that?

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You would never say that to him.

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No.

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Because he's from Argentina, grew up with the other window

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and you are from Munich and everything was fine.

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You want me to treat you like him.

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Really?

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To bring all these people from different areas in the world together,

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you cannot expect that they all tick the same way.

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It's just not possible.

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Growing up in Germany is obviously different to growing up in Senegal.

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It is different.

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But then we come together in our dressing room and then everybody says,

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this is the rule for all of you.

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And yeah, be in time, of course, for easy.

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But then all the other stuff.

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Come on, come down.

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You want a football team full of different...

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skill sets, full of different talent, full of different personalities.

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You want that because that's what you need.

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That's what makes you unpredictable.

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But then you put just one, I don't know, helmet over it and say,

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so that's all of you.

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That's how we go.

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There are moments in the game where they have to act like this.

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In all the other moments, they have to be themselves.

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So treat them like that.

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This is one of the most shocking counterintuitive ideas that I have.

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That I heard from players with other managers,

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specifically because I've just interviewed so many of Sir Alex Ferguson's former players.

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One of the shocking things they all said was that he treated people differently.

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And to hear you say the same thing as well,

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it really is the opposite of what you hear in business.

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In business, you hear that you have to be a consistent leader.

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That you have to be consistent.

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Treat people the same.

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But in the world of football, people like you tell me that's my true...

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I think in business, in life, it's the same.

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So to lead, that's number one thing you lead yourself.

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So that's the first one.

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In the morning, you stand up, you have to kick your own body and say,

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come on, it's not a great state.

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But anyhow, we go.

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And then the people you lead, you need to understand to do it properly.

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So no, that means you talk to them.

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You listen to them.

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You ask them, where are you from?

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What's your background?

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What are we doing here and there and why did you do that and stuff like this?

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So it means it's already in that conversation, it's clear.

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It's different to the other guy.

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It's not about the rules, like punctuality, early in, laid out.

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Not about these kind of things.

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But how can we get the best out of people if it treats them all the same?

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It's crazy. It's in business.

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I don't think it is like that, but I've never only worked in this football business.

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Or maybe it's just working here.

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I cannot see that.

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For me, it's super important that you really pick the individual from where it stands,

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not from where you want it to be.

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No.

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Actually, where it's actually is.

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Can you give me an example that I would know of two people that you treated differently

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and why you made the decision to treat them differently based on that origin?

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So you have a young player as an example.

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So Drendelik Sandaluk comes up to the first team.

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And then James Milner is already 31 or whatever.

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He was that time.

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So James makes clear person foremost that Drendelik doesn't go crazy,

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because he sorts all these kinds of things.

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But there are so many things.

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Just as an example, but James doesn't have to do this and that because you know he is doing it anyway.

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So for Drendelik, you still have to educate the boy.

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This example, which you probably didn't think of, but it explains how different they are.

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The different age groups, one is 16 or 17 or the other one is 33.

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So that shows already that it's not possible.

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So you are talking about the rules in football.

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So everybody has to work hard.

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Everybody has to do in a market.

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Everybody has to defend the shit out of the opposition team.

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So that's everybody has to buy into that.

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There's no, no, no, no.

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I always said, if you're not Leonardo Messi, you have to defend.

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You have to defend.

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So because I never had Leonardo Messi, so they all had to defend.

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For example, everybody has to do that.

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But then to get there, that they really grow together as a group.

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In a group, everybody accepts that they are different.

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Otherwise, we are, I don't know, an army and they are different.

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But it's not, I mean, just because we are the same shirt.

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We have all our own qualities.

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So to bring them to life or let them shine, you have to get treated in the right way.

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And that's what I love to figure out.

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How is that possible?

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That was the conversations I had.

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The conversation with players during a season.

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Of course, they were football talks.

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But we had already enough meetings.

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The most important conversations were the private conversations.

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Why are, so when, when the players not training well?

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Could be, could, that he just is not ready for training.

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Had to drink last night, didn't sleep enough or you ask.

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So that's all what you think.

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He looks like he didn't sleep enough.

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But when you ask him, what's going on?

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And he will be surprised.

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Most of the time, they either slept enough or didn't sleep enough

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for the right reason because something happened and nobody could sleep.

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They had no drink, blah, blah, blah, but they lost focus right now

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because massive problems at home.

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Without asking, we'll never find out.

352
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So here's the one guy with problem.

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Here's another guy who's flying.

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Don't treat them the same.

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The one needs more support.

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And the other one, you need to bring down a little bit.

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So all these kind of things, that's how you work with people.

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And the end, what you want is that it's a job of a leader.

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It's to make the target, the aim, the final destination, whatever.

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That clear, like the Sun, that everybody's automatically going there.

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And you don't have to push them every day.

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And say, by the way, there's the Sun.

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That's right there.

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So that they know it on the way there.

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You support them in different, in different ways.

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It's not so important what I want to say.

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In a moment of anger or whatever it happens, emotion.

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Do that to us, especially around the football game.

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You shout to something.

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Did I really say that?

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Did I?

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I did.

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But it's not so important in a talk conversation with people.

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They, which depend on you, we are responsible for.

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It's not so important.

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You say it's much more important, but they need to hear.

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It's not them telling them what they want to hear.

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No, but they need to hear to deal with their situation.

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So that's what leadership means.

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Not just telling them off or whatever.

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That doesn't work.

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That doesn't work.

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Try to understand why.

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And that was, I love that part in my job.

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And I still do that, if you want.

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Right now, not with world-class players all the time.

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More coaches, point directors, whatever they all young.

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Younger than me, at least.

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And that's how I understand my role and I've stood my role.

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Was there certain plays in your team that you felt you could be tougher with?

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And others that you felt you could never really be tough with.

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Because that would make, that would hurt their performance.

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I'm reflecting off course.

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Yeah.

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Of course.

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You have that.

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Sadio Mane and Moussala to top examples.

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So in the end, not a lot of people who saw it coming, we knew they are great.

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We knew they're massive talents, they're fantastic potential.

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But they were not who they became later on.

401
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In that time, it's not that they came to Liverpool and said,

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I just want to tell you, I defend anyway.

403
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So we don't have to talk about that.

404
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Just explain me how we do it.

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And be obviously to be successful as a football team.

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You have to organize a football team to get stability, to get stability.

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You need to find a way to defend properly and together.

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If you have that, based on that, they can start flying.

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Then let's talk about the football part.

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And now they're obviously no defenders.

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But we were famous for our pressing and counter-pressing.

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I talked a lot to them and it was, and the way we spoke about it was just 100% clear.

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You want to win more often than not.

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You want to have the maximum success.

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You want to be able to become the best team in England at one point.

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Yeah.

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Okay, then do that.

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Come on.

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So agreement.

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And then from there, we went on.

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But then with years, and not because they changed or whatever,

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here a little bit less, there a little bit less.

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And I have to decide, do I go for them?

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Like I would go for a young boy playing in that position.

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And say, come on.

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Turned, run, fight, jump, and take them off in a moment.

427
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No, of course not.

428
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You don't do that in that moment.

429
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It's a story in the newspaper.

430
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We had this one argument, I think, with more at West Ham at the sideline.

431
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It didn't start, and I brought him on.

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And he was not happy.

433
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The problem, our problems then are always in public.

434
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It was not a real big thing.

435
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But in the moment, we didn't agree, definitely.

436
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So how do you deal with that the next day?

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I think I can say we have a very good relationship today,

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even though on that day, it didn't look like.

439
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And that's all the things.

440
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So you learn, you try to do it the right way.

441
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You try to show the players respect, but at one point,

442
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it's never enough.

443
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And you have to accept that as well.

444
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Because the players, they grow.

445
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They get bigger and bigger and bigger and at one point.

446
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You hear years later, he never spoke to me.

447
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Whatever, another player from wherever says about the former coach,

448
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about me, about Kosovo, he never spoke to me.

449
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I always spoke a lot.

450
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We just can't remember.

451
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And we didn't speak what you wanted.

452
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I didn't tell you what you wanted to hear.

453
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So you can never make it 100% right.

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But you can only do as good as you as it's possible for you.

455
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And that's what I tried all the time to create a relationship,

456
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where even when we had arguments, we always found a way out

457
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as me player.

458
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And it never got carried into the team.

459
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We lost respect.

460
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They lost respect for me because I acted that way.

461
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So we always stayed together.

462
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We always find a way to down the street.

463
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Okay, it's really important that we get through this,

464
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that they sorted, the boss sorted with him or the boss sorted with us,

465
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that we can go from here again.

466
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From a very young age, one of the things I found really surprising

467
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is in, as I was going through all of these football teams,

468
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you played in as a young man,

469
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it appeared that you were always the captain,

470
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repeatedly assigned to be the captain.

471
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And I wondered why, what was it that you were doing

472
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from a very young age that meant all of your coaches back then

473
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asked you to be captain of the team?

474
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I have no clue.

475
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The coach I learned most of, Wolfgang Frank,

476
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when he came back to mind, he was at mind,

477
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very successful, spelled, left,

478
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and then we were in trouble again, he came back,

479
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and I was the captain.

480
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I met a very experienced player from a first-hibition team

481
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coming to mind, and the second-hibition last mid was his name.

482
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So in Wolfgang,

483
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you can tell me, talk.

484
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Yeah, of course.

485
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You're going to want to make class the captain.

486
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Oh, yeah, good.

487
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So then you are not captain anymore.

488
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Yeah, I know.

489
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So it was exactly like that.

490
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It meant nothing to me.

491
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So my role was not, I was a leader in the team,

492
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not on purpose.

493
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I was on the pitch and aggressive leader,

494
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which I didn't like.

495
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So hard rate above 140,

496
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I lost it very often,

497
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and very, very not a good way.

498
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So really aggressive talk,

499
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shouting at everybody,

500
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and in all that, really.

501
00:24:28.500 --> 00:24:30.500
I had to, very often,

502
00:24:30.500 --> 00:24:33.500
I had to apologize to my teammates.

503
00:24:33.500 --> 00:24:34.500
Where did I come from?

504
00:24:34.500 --> 00:24:35.500
Because you're...

505
00:24:35.500 --> 00:24:36.500
I don't know.

506
00:24:36.500 --> 00:24:38.500
There's real dichotomy with you,

507
00:24:38.500 --> 00:24:41.500
because you're such a sweet, kind guy.

508
00:24:41.500 --> 00:24:44.500
You have your mother in you in terms of the empathy

509
00:24:44.500 --> 00:24:45.500
and the love of people.

510
00:24:45.500 --> 00:24:47.500
But then there's this other...

511
00:24:47.500 --> 00:24:48.500
It's a very stiff part.

512
00:24:48.500 --> 00:24:49.500
I didn't like it at all.

513
00:24:49.500 --> 00:24:51.500
And I was afraid,

514
00:24:51.500 --> 00:24:53.500
when I stopped playing,

515
00:24:53.500 --> 00:24:55.500
that I'd take it over.

516
00:24:55.500 --> 00:24:56.500
So I was emotional.

517
00:24:56.500 --> 00:24:58.500
I had moments where I lost it with referees

518
00:24:58.500 --> 00:24:59.500
and stuff like that.

519
00:24:59.500 --> 00:25:01.500
But generally,

520
00:25:01.500 --> 00:25:02.500
I was really...

521
00:25:02.500 --> 00:25:03.500
I'm a very calm person.

522
00:25:03.500 --> 00:25:04.500
So people think,

523
00:25:04.500 --> 00:25:05.500
because I'm probably,

524
00:25:05.500 --> 00:25:06.500
I think I'm a more too weight,

525
00:25:06.500 --> 00:25:07.500
or whatever.

526
00:25:07.500 --> 00:25:08.500
I do get up in the morning

527
00:25:08.500 --> 00:25:10.500
and come in the dressing room and say,

528
00:25:10.500 --> 00:25:12.500
come on boys, today we go again.

529
00:25:12.500 --> 00:25:13.500
Not at all.

530
00:25:13.500 --> 00:25:15.500
I mean, it happens

531
00:25:15.500 --> 00:25:16.500
from time to time,

532
00:25:16.500 --> 00:25:17.500
but not that often.

533
00:25:17.500 --> 00:25:19.500
No, I have no explanation for it.

534
00:25:19.500 --> 00:25:20.500
If I would have had an explanation,

535
00:25:20.500 --> 00:25:21.500
it was a little bit...

536
00:25:21.500 --> 00:25:23.500
I knew I'm not good enough.

537
00:25:23.500 --> 00:25:24.500
Actually,

538
00:25:24.500 --> 00:25:26.500
my teammates were better than me.

539
00:25:26.500 --> 00:25:28.500
And I thought,

540
00:25:28.500 --> 00:25:31.500
I only can get on that level

541
00:25:31.500 --> 00:25:34.500
if I squeeze everything out

542
00:25:34.500 --> 00:25:36.500
from an aggressive point of view,

543
00:25:36.500 --> 00:25:37.500
stuff like this.

544
00:25:37.500 --> 00:25:39.500
So that was a bit my explanation,

545
00:25:39.500 --> 00:25:41.500
because they are so much better up.

546
00:25:41.500 --> 00:25:43.500
And if I calm down

547
00:25:43.500 --> 00:25:45.500
and want to play cool football,

548
00:25:45.500 --> 00:25:46.500
yeah, I'm out.

549
00:25:46.500 --> 00:25:48.500
You eventually become the manager of Mines.

550
00:25:48.500 --> 00:25:49.500
Yeah.

551
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:51.500
You're my age when you get that job.

552
00:25:51.500 --> 00:25:54.500
And the former manager has been sacked.

553
00:25:54.500 --> 00:25:57.500
The club have never gotten to the Bundesliga,

554
00:25:57.500 --> 00:26:00.500
the first division in Germany.

555
00:26:00.500 --> 00:26:03.500
You don't have experience managing

556
00:26:03.500 --> 00:26:06.500
a club of this size or scale previously.

557
00:26:06.500 --> 00:26:07.500
The chairman comes to you,

558
00:26:07.500 --> 00:26:08.500
the only comes to you and says,

559
00:26:08.500 --> 00:26:10.500
they want you to do the job.

560
00:26:10.500 --> 00:26:12.500
Why did they want you to do the job?

561
00:26:12.500 --> 00:26:14.500
Because I didn't find anybody else in the shot in the shot.

562
00:26:14.500 --> 00:26:15.500
A bit of time.

563
00:26:15.500 --> 00:26:16.500
So we played Sunday

564
00:26:16.500 --> 00:26:17.500
and the next game was on Wednesday.

565
00:26:17.500 --> 00:26:20.500
The idea was just to do that game.

566
00:26:20.500 --> 00:26:21.500
So,

567
00:26:21.500 --> 00:26:23.500
the whole story is that

568
00:26:23.500 --> 00:26:25.500
Eckhart Grautsson,

569
00:26:25.500 --> 00:26:27.500
the manager at that time,

570
00:26:27.500 --> 00:26:29.500
we lost the game on Sunday.

571
00:26:29.500 --> 00:26:31.500
And we had a little camp,

572
00:26:31.500 --> 00:26:32.500
the crisis camp.

573
00:26:32.500 --> 00:26:33.500
Let me say,

574
00:26:33.500 --> 00:26:35.500
because on Wednesday was another very important game.

575
00:26:35.500 --> 00:26:36.500
We had to play,

576
00:26:36.500 --> 00:26:38.500
so he took us to a hotel

577
00:26:38.500 --> 00:26:39.500
that we stay there,

578
00:26:39.500 --> 00:26:40.500
have two good sessions,

579
00:26:40.500 --> 00:26:42.500
and then we go for this very, very important

580
00:26:42.500 --> 00:26:44.500
and maybe decisive game.

581
00:26:44.500 --> 00:26:46.500
And at night we have a meeting,

582
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:48.500
we have a meeting with all players.

583
00:26:48.500 --> 00:26:49.500
And he said,

584
00:26:49.500 --> 00:26:50.500
chairman,

585
00:26:50.500 --> 00:26:51.500
I want to ask one question.

586
00:26:51.500 --> 00:26:52.500
Do you still trust me?

587
00:26:52.500 --> 00:26:54.500
Are you still behind me?

588
00:26:54.500 --> 00:26:56.500
I don't want to answer now.

589
00:26:56.500 --> 00:26:58.500
I ought to be here for all of you.

590
00:26:58.500 --> 00:26:59.500
I go out,

591
00:26:59.500 --> 00:27:00.500
half an hour,

592
00:27:00.500 --> 00:27:01.500
I come back,

593
00:27:01.500 --> 00:27:02.500
and you tell me.

594
00:27:02.500 --> 00:27:03.500
So he goes out,

595
00:27:03.500 --> 00:27:05.500
we're just brings the beer in,

596
00:27:05.500 --> 00:27:06.500
we sit there,

597
00:27:06.500 --> 00:27:07.500
looking at each other and think,

598
00:27:07.500 --> 00:27:08.500
yeah,

599
00:27:08.500 --> 00:27:10.500
and discuss a little bit.

600
00:27:10.500 --> 00:27:12.500
And I was not captain at that time.

601
00:27:12.500 --> 00:27:13.500
I was not captain.

602
00:27:13.500 --> 00:27:15.500
But then it's like that,

603
00:27:15.500 --> 00:27:18.500
that the decisions no.

604
00:27:18.500 --> 00:27:19.500
What?

605
00:27:19.500 --> 00:27:20.500
Yeah, he asked.

606
00:27:20.500 --> 00:27:21.500
Why you asked?

607
00:27:21.500 --> 00:27:22.500
You're no.

608
00:27:22.500 --> 00:27:23.500
So it's like,

609
00:27:23.500 --> 00:27:24.500
everyone said that.

610
00:27:24.500 --> 00:27:25.500
Everyone said that.

611
00:27:25.500 --> 00:27:26.500
It's now we have a discussion.

612
00:27:26.500 --> 00:27:27.500
Yeah.

613
00:27:27.500 --> 00:27:28.500
The majority.

614
00:27:28.500 --> 00:27:29.500
Some players didn't speak,

615
00:27:29.500 --> 00:27:30.500
but it was clear.

616
00:27:30.500 --> 00:27:31.500
If you ask,

617
00:27:31.500 --> 00:27:32.500
the answer is no.

618
00:27:32.500 --> 00:27:33.500
So it's like,

619
00:27:33.500 --> 00:27:34.500
I'm not captain,

620
00:27:34.500 --> 00:27:36.500
but the captain says,

621
00:27:36.500 --> 00:27:37.500
it says,

622
00:27:37.500 --> 00:27:39.500
Global, you tell him.

623
00:27:39.500 --> 00:27:40.500
I tell him.

624
00:27:40.500 --> 00:27:41.500
Why?

625
00:27:41.500 --> 00:27:42.500
Oh.

626
00:27:42.500 --> 00:27:43.500
Okay, but he comes in.

627
00:27:43.500 --> 00:27:44.500
He comes in,

628
00:27:44.500 --> 00:27:45.500
and that,

629
00:27:45.500 --> 00:27:47.500
and that,

630
00:27:47.500 --> 00:27:49.500
actually,

631
00:27:49.500 --> 00:27:50.500
no.

632
00:27:50.500 --> 00:27:52.500
And he was shocked.

633
00:27:52.500 --> 00:27:53.500
It was really shocked.

634
00:27:53.500 --> 00:27:55.500
He didn't expect it.

635
00:27:55.500 --> 00:27:57.500
It's more like a little thing to do.

636
00:27:57.500 --> 00:27:58.500
And then we say,

637
00:27:58.500 --> 00:27:59.500
yes,

638
00:27:59.500 --> 00:28:00.500
we go through that together,

639
00:28:00.500 --> 00:28:01.500
something like that.

640
00:28:01.500 --> 00:28:02.500
But we said no.

641
00:28:02.500 --> 00:28:03.500
Why?

642
00:28:03.500 --> 00:28:05.500
Because he was not a right person.

643
00:28:05.500 --> 00:28:06.500
He was my,

644
00:28:06.500 --> 00:28:07.500
because he,

645
00:28:07.500 --> 00:28:08.500
we played bad.

646
00:28:08.500 --> 00:28:09.500
And he was,

647
00:28:09.500 --> 00:28:12.500
I love Eckert koutes.

648
00:28:12.500 --> 00:28:14.500
But that time for that team

649
00:28:14.500 --> 00:28:15.500
was really,

650
00:28:15.500 --> 00:28:16.500
he was just not a right coach.

651
00:28:16.500 --> 00:28:17.500
That can happen.

652
00:28:17.500 --> 00:28:18.500
It doesn't say anything about you.

653
00:28:18.500 --> 00:28:19.500
But we did,

654
00:28:19.500 --> 00:28:20.500
wrong training,

655
00:28:20.500 --> 00:28:21.500
wrong lineups,

656
00:28:21.500 --> 00:28:22.500
wrong tactics,

657
00:28:22.500 --> 00:28:24.500
wrong everything.

658
00:28:24.500 --> 00:28:26.500
So that's how things go bad

659
00:28:26.500 --> 00:28:27.500
in the wrong direction,

660
00:28:27.500 --> 00:28:28.500
but in that time.

661
00:28:28.500 --> 00:28:30.500
And we had no,

662
00:28:30.500 --> 00:28:31.500
at that time,

663
00:28:31.500 --> 00:28:32.500
and we didn't have to make the decision

664
00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:33.500
who can take over.

665
00:28:33.500 --> 00:28:34.500
Or whatever.

666
00:28:34.500 --> 00:28:35.500
We just could say no.

667
00:28:35.500 --> 00:28:36.500
We could have said,

668
00:28:36.500 --> 00:28:37.500
okay,

669
00:28:37.500 --> 00:28:38.500
I will prove you wrong.

670
00:28:38.500 --> 00:28:39.500
Or whatever.

671
00:28:39.500 --> 00:28:40.500
But he ran out.

672
00:28:40.500 --> 00:28:41.500
And said,

673
00:28:41.500 --> 00:28:42.500
tomorrow morning,

674
00:28:42.500 --> 00:28:43.500
nine o'clock training.

675
00:28:43.500 --> 00:28:44.500
Okay.

676
00:28:44.500 --> 00:28:46.500
And then he wanted to do a press conference

677
00:28:46.500 --> 00:28:49.500
where he wanted to tell the public

678
00:28:49.500 --> 00:28:51.500
that he kicks out

679
00:28:51.500 --> 00:28:53.500
all the experienced players

680
00:28:53.500 --> 00:28:55.500
and starts now the rest of the season

681
00:28:55.500 --> 00:28:57.500
and plays only the young kids.

682
00:28:57.500 --> 00:28:59.500
So I was one of the old players.

683
00:28:59.500 --> 00:29:01.500
I was 33.

684
00:29:01.500 --> 00:29:03.500
But I didn't know that that should happen.

685
00:29:03.500 --> 00:29:04.500
So he called,

686
00:29:04.500 --> 00:29:05.500
the sporting director,

687
00:29:05.500 --> 00:29:07.500
we needed press conference.

688
00:29:07.500 --> 00:29:08.500
And I want to talk to them

689
00:29:08.500 --> 00:29:09.500
and tell them,

690
00:29:09.500 --> 00:29:10.500
we change everything.

691
00:29:10.500 --> 00:29:11.500
And the sporting director says,

692
00:29:11.500 --> 00:29:12.500
yeah,

693
00:29:12.500 --> 00:29:13.500
we do a press conference.

694
00:29:13.500 --> 00:29:15.500
But the subject will be,

695
00:29:15.500 --> 00:29:16.500
we sack you.

696
00:29:16.500 --> 00:29:17.500
Okay.

697
00:29:17.500 --> 00:29:19.500
So done.

698
00:29:19.500 --> 00:29:21.500
And now they didn't have a coach.

699
00:29:21.500 --> 00:29:22.500
So,

700
00:29:22.500 --> 00:29:23.500
and they called me.

701
00:29:23.500 --> 00:29:24.500
And for that game,

702
00:29:24.500 --> 00:29:25.500
can you do it?

703
00:29:25.500 --> 00:29:26.500
And I said, yeah.

704
00:29:26.500 --> 00:29:27.500
I can do it.

705
00:29:27.500 --> 00:29:28.500
And I did it.

706
00:29:28.500 --> 00:29:29.500
And we won the game.

707
00:29:29.500 --> 00:29:30.500
And they didn't find a manager.

708
00:29:30.500 --> 00:29:32.500
So we had Sunday and other games.

709
00:29:32.500 --> 00:29:33.500
We won the first game.

710
00:29:33.500 --> 00:29:34.500
We won 1-0.

711
00:29:34.500 --> 00:29:35.500
The second game.

712
00:29:35.500 --> 00:29:37.500
We won 3-1.

713
00:29:37.500 --> 00:29:38.500
Yeah.

714
00:29:38.500 --> 00:29:39.500
From the first seven games,

715
00:29:39.500 --> 00:29:40.500
we won six and drew one.

716
00:29:40.500 --> 00:29:41.500
So,

717
00:29:41.500 --> 00:29:42.500
and we stayed in the league

718
00:29:42.500 --> 00:29:43.500
pretty comfortably.

719
00:29:43.500 --> 00:29:44.500
Comfortably incredible.

720
00:29:44.500 --> 00:29:46.500
We were a bunch of friends.

721
00:29:46.500 --> 00:29:47.500
There were all my friends.

722
00:29:47.500 --> 00:29:48.500
And I was there.

723
00:29:48.500 --> 00:29:49.500
But they had to tell me

724
00:29:49.500 --> 00:29:51.500
that they changed from now on

725
00:29:51.500 --> 00:29:52.500
in the coach's dressing room.

726
00:29:52.500 --> 00:29:54.500
But what are you doing here?

727
00:29:54.500 --> 00:29:55.500
Here's the coach's dressing room.

728
00:29:55.500 --> 00:29:57.500
That's your office.

729
00:29:57.500 --> 00:29:58.500
Okay.

730
00:29:58.500 --> 00:29:59.500
The first night,

731
00:29:59.500 --> 00:30:00.500
I think we had a twin room.

732
00:30:00.500 --> 00:30:01.500
Yeah.

733
00:30:01.500 --> 00:30:02.500
So,

734
00:30:02.500 --> 00:30:03.500
and I got one more game

735
00:30:03.500 --> 00:30:05.500
to sleep with my friend.

736
00:30:05.500 --> 00:30:06.500
You were in comedy there

737
00:30:06.500 --> 00:30:07.500
in the same room.

738
00:30:07.500 --> 00:30:08.500
And then the next day,

739
00:30:08.500 --> 00:30:09.500
they all told me,

740
00:30:09.500 --> 00:30:10.500
yeah, you'll get your own room.

741
00:30:10.500 --> 00:30:11.500
Oh.

742
00:30:11.500 --> 00:30:12.500
Okay.

743
00:30:12.500 --> 00:30:13.500
So, but all the rest,

744
00:30:13.500 --> 00:30:15.500
we were a real bunch of friends.

745
00:30:15.500 --> 00:30:17.500
And they respected me

746
00:30:17.500 --> 00:30:19.500
from the first second.

747
00:30:19.500 --> 00:30:21.500
What was your approach going into that?

748
00:30:21.500 --> 00:30:22.500
You go from being a player

749
00:30:22.500 --> 00:30:24.500
to a manager of these boys.

750
00:30:24.500 --> 00:30:25.500
What's in your mind?

751
00:30:25.500 --> 00:30:26.500
Are you thinking,

752
00:30:26.500 --> 00:30:27.500
I'm just going to let them do whatever they want to do?

753
00:30:27.500 --> 00:30:28.500
I'm going to,

754
00:30:28.500 --> 00:30:30.500
but we had Wolfgang Franger very, very, very,

755
00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:32.500
the best, the best manager we all had

756
00:30:32.500 --> 00:30:33.500
when we were at Mainz.

757
00:30:33.500 --> 00:30:34.500
She wasn't exception.

758
00:30:34.500 --> 00:30:36.500
We, at Mainz,

759
00:30:36.500 --> 00:30:38.500
we were a football team

760
00:30:38.500 --> 00:30:39.500
who lost all the games

761
00:30:39.500 --> 00:30:41.500
when the other team had better players.

762
00:30:41.500 --> 00:30:43.500
I think it sounds normal.

763
00:30:43.500 --> 00:30:44.500
But, you know, in football,

764
00:30:44.500 --> 00:30:46.500
it's a way to win games anyway.

765
00:30:46.500 --> 00:30:47.500
We never had that.

766
00:30:47.500 --> 00:30:49.500
So, then Wolfgang Franger

767
00:30:49.500 --> 00:30:50.500
comes in and implements

768
00:30:50.500 --> 00:30:51.500
four in the back,

769
00:30:51.500 --> 00:30:52.500
ball-orientated defending.

770
00:30:52.500 --> 00:30:54.500
And we did nothing else than that.

771
00:30:54.500 --> 00:30:56.500
And we changed overnight.

772
00:30:57.500 --> 00:30:59.500
Into the one opponent,

773
00:30:59.500 --> 00:31:01.500
nobody wanted to play against.

774
00:31:01.500 --> 00:31:02.500
We were like machines.

775
00:31:02.500 --> 00:31:03.500
We were like machines.

776
00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:04.500
We were not great football.

777
00:31:04.500 --> 00:31:05.500
We were like machines.

778
00:31:05.500 --> 00:31:06.500
They were games.

779
00:31:06.500 --> 00:31:09.500
Our goalkeeper didn't touch the ball once.

780
00:31:09.500 --> 00:31:10.500
We were just defending.

781
00:31:10.500 --> 00:31:11.500
There was new that time.

782
00:31:11.500 --> 00:31:13.500
So, it was really for all of them.

783
00:31:13.500 --> 00:31:15.500
That means we all became believer in that.

784
00:31:15.500 --> 00:31:17.500
Then Wolfgang left.

785
00:31:17.500 --> 00:31:19.500
And none of the other coaches

786
00:31:19.500 --> 00:31:20.500
could do that.

787
00:31:20.500 --> 00:31:21.500
No.

788
00:31:21.500 --> 00:31:22.500
There was no connection

789
00:31:22.500 --> 00:31:24.500
to the coaches after Wolfgang.

790
00:31:25.500 --> 00:31:27.500
So, I was one of the players

791
00:31:27.500 --> 00:31:28.500
who benefited massively

792
00:31:28.500 --> 00:31:29.500
from Wolfgang Franger.

793
00:31:29.500 --> 00:31:30.500
And now I arrived.

794
00:31:30.500 --> 00:31:31.500
And the only thing I did

795
00:31:31.500 --> 00:31:33.500
when the two sessions

796
00:31:33.500 --> 00:31:35.500
I had were both exactly about that.

797
00:31:35.500 --> 00:31:36.500
Fourth of two,

798
00:31:36.500 --> 00:31:38.500
ball-orientated movements.

799
00:31:38.500 --> 00:31:41.500
And we go for MSV Duisburg that time.

800
00:31:41.500 --> 00:31:43.500
There were third in the table.

801
00:31:43.500 --> 00:31:45.500
We go for them like nobody else.

802
00:31:45.500 --> 00:31:47.500
But I like these moments.

803
00:31:47.500 --> 00:31:49.500
I like to find the reason

804
00:31:49.500 --> 00:31:50.500
why it makes sense

805
00:31:50.500 --> 00:31:53.500
that why we give our absolute all

806
00:31:53.500 --> 00:31:54.500
in a moment like this.

807
00:31:54.500 --> 00:31:56.500
Why we don't invest only

808
00:31:56.500 --> 00:31:57.500
the minimum.

809
00:31:57.500 --> 00:31:59.500
Why invest the maximum.

810
00:32:00.500 --> 00:32:02.500
Why we would regret it

811
00:32:02.500 --> 00:32:03.500
if we don't do it.

812
00:32:03.500 --> 00:32:05.500
How better life is if we do it.

813
00:32:05.500 --> 00:32:06.500
How much more fun it is

814
00:32:06.500 --> 00:32:07.500
if we do it.

815
00:32:07.500 --> 00:32:08.500
I love these moments.

816
00:32:08.500 --> 00:32:10.500
And probably something like that.

817
00:32:10.500 --> 00:32:12.500
I told them.

818
00:32:12.500 --> 00:32:14.500
And from that moment on,

819
00:32:14.500 --> 00:32:16.500
nobody wanted to play against us anymore.

820
00:32:16.500 --> 00:32:18.500
So, like we were like,

821
00:32:18.500 --> 00:32:19.500
wow, animals.

822
00:32:19.500 --> 00:32:20.500
It was great.

823
00:32:20.500 --> 00:32:21.500
It was a fantastic time.

824
00:32:22.500 --> 00:32:23.500
Same team.

825
00:32:24.500 --> 00:32:25.500
Pretty much.

826
00:32:27.500 --> 00:32:28.500
Changed overnight.

827
00:32:29.500 --> 00:32:31.500
So you fixed the defensive situation,

828
00:32:31.500 --> 00:32:32.500
the formation.

829
00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:35.500
And you also told the players

830
00:32:35.500 --> 00:32:37.500
in that dressing room a story of why

831
00:32:37.500 --> 00:32:38.500
we had to give this,

832
00:32:38.500 --> 00:32:39.500
give everything.

833
00:32:41.500 --> 00:32:42.500
Showed up.

834
00:32:42.500 --> 00:32:43.500
They wrote us off.

835
00:32:43.500 --> 00:32:44.500
Showed it outside.

836
00:32:44.500 --> 00:32:45.500
Well, whatever you can do.

837
00:32:45.500 --> 00:32:46.500
Most of the time,

838
00:32:46.500 --> 00:32:47.500
it was real life.

839
00:32:47.500 --> 00:32:48.500
But that time,

840
00:32:48.500 --> 00:32:50.500
so in my meetings later on,

841
00:32:50.500 --> 00:32:51.500
I never prepared in a way

842
00:32:51.500 --> 00:32:53.500
that I wrote something down or whatever.

843
00:32:54.500 --> 00:32:55.500
Our life was preparation.

844
00:32:55.500 --> 00:32:57.500
What happened during the week

845
00:32:57.500 --> 00:32:58.500
with us in the world?

846
00:32:58.500 --> 00:33:00.500
That was preparation for meeting.

847
00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:01.500
I never thought long about it.

848
00:33:01.500 --> 00:33:03.500
Just remember that when I needed it,

849
00:33:03.500 --> 00:33:04.500
we spoke.

850
00:33:04.500 --> 00:33:05.500
I told the boys.

851
00:33:06.500 --> 00:33:07.500
But that time,

852
00:33:07.500 --> 00:33:09.500
they needed one person

853
00:33:09.500 --> 00:33:10.500
to believe in them.

854
00:33:11.500 --> 00:33:12.500
And I did.

855
00:33:12.500 --> 00:33:14.500
It was not that I had to convince myself.

856
00:33:14.500 --> 00:33:15.500
I have to tell them now.

857
00:33:15.500 --> 00:33:17.500
Before that season,

858
00:33:17.500 --> 00:33:19.500
I told in an interview,

859
00:33:19.500 --> 00:33:20.500
this is the best squad

860
00:33:20.500 --> 00:33:22.500
mindset for ever had.

861
00:33:22.500 --> 00:33:25.500
It would be really difficult for me to play.

862
00:33:25.500 --> 00:33:28.500
But good for us that the team is so good.

863
00:33:28.500 --> 00:33:33.500
And then we were in a hopeless situation

864
00:33:33.500 --> 00:33:34.500
before I took over.

865
00:33:34.500 --> 00:33:36.500
So when I became the manager,

866
00:33:36.500 --> 00:33:38.500
I was the one who thought

867
00:33:38.500 --> 00:33:40.500
this team is incredible.

868
00:33:40.500 --> 00:33:42.500
Nobody knows it yet.

869
00:33:42.500 --> 00:33:43.500
But we will make sure,

870
00:33:43.500 --> 00:33:44.500
and a few weeks,

871
00:33:44.500 --> 00:33:45.500
they will have a sense,

872
00:33:45.500 --> 00:33:46.500
at least.

873
00:33:46.500 --> 00:33:48.500
How important

874
00:33:48.500 --> 00:33:49.500
did that prove to be this idea

875
00:33:49.500 --> 00:33:51.500
of making sure that the players you have

876
00:33:51.500 --> 00:33:53.500
throughout your career

877
00:33:53.500 --> 00:33:54.500
had belief in themselves?

878
00:33:54.500 --> 00:33:56.500
That's all.

879
00:33:56.500 --> 00:33:57.500
It's all about that.

880
00:33:57.500 --> 00:33:58.500
It's not football.

881
00:33:58.500 --> 00:33:59.500
It's life.

882
00:33:59.500 --> 00:34:00.500
You had no,

883
00:34:00.500 --> 00:34:01.500
when you started your podcast,

884
00:34:01.500 --> 00:34:03.500
people probably told you,

885
00:34:03.500 --> 00:34:05.500
well, that might be something for you.

886
00:34:05.500 --> 00:34:07.500
But you were not sure.

887
00:34:07.500 --> 00:34:09.500
And then with each little thing here

888
00:34:09.500 --> 00:34:10.500
and there,

889
00:34:10.500 --> 00:34:12.500
oh, how many people listen to your first podcast?

890
00:34:12.500 --> 00:34:13.500
Do you remember?

891
00:34:13.500 --> 00:34:15.500
No, I think I read it somewhere.

892
00:34:15.500 --> 00:34:17.500
Or do you?

893
00:34:17.500 --> 00:34:18.500
Something around that.

894
00:34:18.500 --> 00:34:19.500
Something around you.

895
00:34:19.500 --> 00:34:21.500
So it's a start.

896
00:34:21.500 --> 00:34:22.500
So it's a start.

897
00:34:22.500 --> 00:34:24.500
And all the rest is,

898
00:34:24.500 --> 00:34:25.500
if you want history,

899
00:34:25.500 --> 00:34:27.500
and that's always in life like that.

900
00:34:27.500 --> 00:34:28.500
That's just,

901
00:34:28.500 --> 00:34:29.500
give it a chance.

902
00:34:29.500 --> 00:34:31.500
Of course, it makes sense.

903
00:34:31.500 --> 00:34:32.500
You believe in yourself.

904
00:34:32.500 --> 00:34:35.500
But not everybody can do that.

905
00:34:35.500 --> 00:34:37.500
But then if you meet somebody

906
00:34:37.500 --> 00:34:38.500
who helps you with that,

907
00:34:38.500 --> 00:34:39.500
who has a perspective,

908
00:34:39.500 --> 00:34:42.500
who can see something in you,

909
00:34:42.500 --> 00:34:45.500
then tell them,

910
00:34:45.500 --> 00:34:46.500
why you should keep it for yourself?

911
00:34:46.500 --> 00:34:47.500
Oh, my God.

912
00:34:47.500 --> 00:34:48.500
I think he's a teller.

913
00:34:48.500 --> 00:34:49.500
She's a teller, whatever.

914
00:34:49.500 --> 00:34:50.500
Why are she's good at that?

915
00:34:50.500 --> 00:34:51.500
She's good at that.

916
00:34:51.500 --> 00:34:52.500
Yeah, maybe don't tell each other.

917
00:34:52.500 --> 00:34:54.500
So where's the problem?

918
00:34:54.500 --> 00:34:57.500
Did somebody do that for you?

919
00:34:57.500 --> 00:34:59.500
It told you that you should believe in yourself.

920
00:34:59.500 --> 00:35:00.500
They saw something in you.

921
00:35:00.500 --> 00:35:01.500
Once I said,

922
00:35:01.500 --> 00:35:02.500
I never struggled with confidence.

923
00:35:02.500 --> 00:35:04.500
But I don't know why.

924
00:35:04.500 --> 00:35:05.500
That's the truth.

925
00:35:05.500 --> 00:35:06.500
But that's true.

926
00:35:06.500 --> 00:35:08.500
I never struggled with confidence.

927
00:35:08.500 --> 00:35:09.500
There's no reason for it.

928
00:35:09.500 --> 00:35:11.500
My two best friends in school

929
00:35:12.500 --> 00:35:13.500
were genius.

930
00:35:13.500 --> 00:35:15.500
And we sat together doing exactly this,

931
00:35:15.500 --> 00:35:16.500
reading the same books,

932
00:35:16.500 --> 00:35:18.500
did they invest the same amount of time?

933
00:35:18.500 --> 00:35:21.500
They had the best A-levels in school.

934
00:35:21.500 --> 00:35:22.500
And I was far of that.

935
00:35:22.500 --> 00:35:25.500
So a normal reaction would be,

936
00:35:25.500 --> 00:35:26.500
poor.

937
00:35:26.500 --> 00:35:29.500
I'm a dump, obviously.

938
00:35:29.500 --> 00:35:31.500
But I never thought that.

939
00:35:31.500 --> 00:35:33.500
I don't really know why that happened.

940
00:35:33.500 --> 00:35:35.500
So I took it how it was.

941
00:35:35.500 --> 00:35:36.500
I thought, oh, respect.

942
00:35:36.500 --> 00:35:39.500
You can remember all these things crazy.

943
00:35:39.500 --> 00:35:40.500
I can't.

944
00:35:41.500 --> 00:35:43.500
I had lots of players that struggled with confidence.

945
00:35:43.500 --> 00:35:44.500
Yeah.

946
00:35:44.500 --> 00:35:45.500
Yeah.

947
00:35:45.500 --> 00:35:47.500
I tried to create a situation

948
00:35:47.500 --> 00:35:49.500
to make sure that

949
00:35:52.500 --> 00:35:54.500
if they are not confident yet,

950
00:35:54.500 --> 00:35:56.500
they are confident.

951
00:35:56.500 --> 00:35:57.500
But, you know, there are moments

952
00:35:57.500 --> 00:35:58.500
when they lose it.

953
00:35:58.500 --> 00:35:59.500
Confidence is like,

954
00:35:59.500 --> 00:36:00.500
there's a little flower

955
00:36:00.500 --> 00:36:03.500
and constantly somebody steps on it.

956
00:36:03.500 --> 00:36:04.500
It's like that.

957
00:36:04.500 --> 00:36:05.500
Oh, and then it's growing again.

958
00:36:05.500 --> 00:36:07.500
Oh, now we are confident against stuff like this.

959
00:36:07.500 --> 00:36:08.500
In football,

960
00:36:08.500 --> 00:36:10.500
it's really difficult because it's like,

961
00:36:10.500 --> 00:36:12.500
you cannot play without making mistakes.

962
00:36:12.500 --> 00:36:15.500
So if a mistake costs you confident,

963
00:36:15.500 --> 00:36:18.500
that's a real challenge.

964
00:36:18.500 --> 00:36:21.500
But what I tried to feel,

965
00:36:21.500 --> 00:36:23.500
if you would believe as much

966
00:36:23.500 --> 00:36:25.500
in yourself as I do,

967
00:36:25.500 --> 00:36:26.500
I would be a start.

968
00:36:26.500 --> 00:36:28.500
But as long as you cannot do that,

969
00:36:28.500 --> 00:36:31.500
just trust me.

970
00:36:31.500 --> 00:36:33.500
So you are good

971
00:36:33.500 --> 00:36:35.500
because I don't work with other players.

972
00:36:35.500 --> 00:36:37.500
I don't waste time.

973
00:36:37.500 --> 00:36:39.500
And it's true, I don't.

974
00:36:39.500 --> 00:36:42.500
So I really see something.

975
00:36:42.500 --> 00:36:43.500
And if I see it,

976
00:36:43.500 --> 00:36:46.500
I'm patient enough to work on it.

977
00:36:46.500 --> 00:36:48.500
Much more patient than the public

978
00:36:48.500 --> 00:36:50.500
wants me to be.

979
00:36:50.500 --> 00:36:52.500
But of course, the idea is that

980
00:36:52.500 --> 00:36:54.500
at one day,

981
00:36:54.500 --> 00:36:55.500
I help you learn flying.

982
00:36:55.500 --> 00:36:56.500
But in the end,

983
00:36:56.500 --> 00:36:58.500
you have to fly yourself, obviously.

984
00:36:58.500 --> 00:37:00.500
I cannot do that for you.

985
00:37:00.500 --> 00:37:01.500
That's what it is football.

986
00:37:01.500 --> 00:37:02.500
You have to perform alone.

987
00:37:02.500 --> 00:37:04.500
They cannot look at me.

988
00:37:04.500 --> 00:37:05.500
What should I do?

989
00:37:05.500 --> 00:37:06.500
And that's my job,

990
00:37:06.500 --> 00:37:07.500
is to prepare them as good,

991
00:37:07.500 --> 00:37:10.500
to make it the education,

992
00:37:10.500 --> 00:37:13.500
the coaching as wide,

993
00:37:13.500 --> 00:37:15.500
as to just pick,

994
00:37:15.500 --> 00:37:16.500
for me, that's the idea.

995
00:37:16.500 --> 00:37:17.500
But not too much,

996
00:37:17.500 --> 00:37:19.500
as well.

997
00:37:19.500 --> 00:37:21.500
Yeah, it's obviously,

998
00:37:21.500 --> 00:37:23.500
was a good time in my life,

999
00:37:23.500 --> 00:37:24.500
doing all these kind of things.

1000
00:37:24.500 --> 00:37:29.500
I worked with some of the best footballers in the world.

1001
00:37:29.500 --> 00:37:30.500
Really good time.

1002
00:37:30.500 --> 00:37:33.500
Do you sometimes have to lie in public

1003
00:37:33.500 --> 00:37:35.500
to protect a player's confidence?

1004
00:37:35.500 --> 00:37:36.500
I was wondering,

1005
00:37:36.500 --> 00:37:37.500
I wonder this,

1006
00:37:37.500 --> 00:37:38.500
because you see managers come out and say,

1007
00:37:38.500 --> 00:37:39.500
oh, he can't play,

1008
00:37:39.500 --> 00:37:40.500
because he's injured,

1009
00:37:40.500 --> 00:37:41.500
or whatever,

1010
00:37:41.500 --> 00:37:42.500
and they say things.

1011
00:37:42.500 --> 00:37:43.500
But I wonder sometimes,

1012
00:37:43.500 --> 00:37:45.500
if managers are protecting players,

1013
00:37:45.500 --> 00:37:46.500
because they're struggling,

1014
00:37:46.500 --> 00:37:47.500
or...

1015
00:37:47.500 --> 00:37:48.500
Yes, we protect players.

1016
00:37:48.500 --> 00:37:49.500
I'm not sure I ever had to lie.

1017
00:37:49.500 --> 00:37:50.500
To be honest,

1018
00:37:50.500 --> 00:37:51.500
I don't know,

1019
00:37:51.500 --> 00:37:52.500
but we protect players.

1020
00:37:52.500 --> 00:37:53.500
Super important.

1021
00:37:53.500 --> 00:37:54.500
So, for me,

1022
00:37:54.500 --> 00:37:56.500
super important.

1023
00:37:56.500 --> 00:37:58.500
He likes confidence.

1024
00:37:58.500 --> 00:37:59.500
That's in football, obviously.

1025
00:37:59.500 --> 00:38:00.500
You see that?

1026
00:38:00.500 --> 00:38:02.500
You're running one on the goalie,

1027
00:38:02.500 --> 00:38:03.500
and you don't make it.

1028
00:38:03.500 --> 00:38:04.500
You can see it.

1029
00:38:04.500 --> 00:38:05.500
It's because you don't have confidence.

1030
00:38:05.500 --> 00:38:06.500
That's how it is.

1031
00:38:06.500 --> 00:38:07.500
There's not a lot of other reasons.

1032
00:38:07.500 --> 00:38:08.500
It can be wind,

1033
00:38:08.500 --> 00:38:09.500
weather,

1034
00:38:09.500 --> 00:38:10.500
ball,

1035
00:38:10.500 --> 00:38:11.500
opponent.

1036
00:38:11.500 --> 00:38:12.500
It's there,

1037
00:38:12.500 --> 00:38:13.500
but you do it once,

1038
00:38:13.500 --> 00:38:14.500
you do it twice, three times.

1039
00:38:14.500 --> 00:38:16.500
Yes, that's not good for the confidence of nobody.

1040
00:38:16.500 --> 00:38:18.500
Having that in training,

1041
00:38:18.500 --> 00:38:19.500
you have...

1042
00:38:19.500 --> 00:38:21.500
The job is not to talk too much about it,

1043
00:38:21.500 --> 00:38:22.500
to give him a chance

1044
00:38:22.500 --> 00:38:24.500
to get confidence back

1045
00:38:24.500 --> 00:38:25.500
with the things you do in training.

1046
00:38:25.500 --> 00:38:27.500
That it doesn't last forever.

1047
00:38:27.500 --> 00:38:28.500
So,

1048
00:38:28.500 --> 00:38:30.500
the one thing you have to

1049
00:38:30.500 --> 00:38:32.500
protect players from

1050
00:38:32.500 --> 00:38:33.500
is public.

1051
00:38:33.500 --> 00:38:34.500
Try too,

1052
00:38:34.500 --> 00:38:35.500
because

1053
00:38:35.500 --> 00:38:37.500
they are

1054
00:38:37.500 --> 00:38:38.500
ruthless in moments

1055
00:38:38.500 --> 00:38:40.500
and they don't care

1056
00:38:40.500 --> 00:38:41.500
until something happens,

1057
00:38:41.500 --> 00:38:42.500
or whatever,

1058
00:38:42.500 --> 00:38:43.500
support us sometimes.

1059
00:38:43.500 --> 00:38:45.500
I think we were really lucky with that.

1060
00:38:45.500 --> 00:38:46.500
We created that bond

1061
00:38:46.500 --> 00:38:48.500
between the supporters

1062
00:38:48.500 --> 00:38:49.500
and the team

1063
00:38:49.500 --> 00:38:51.500
that they were not angry,

1064
00:38:51.500 --> 00:38:52.500
disappointed, yes,

1065
00:38:52.500 --> 00:38:53.500
but not angry in a way

1066
00:38:53.500 --> 00:38:55.500
that I don't want to see them anymore.

1067
00:38:55.500 --> 00:38:56.500
So, that help.

1068
00:38:56.500 --> 00:38:57.500
But, of course,

1069
00:38:57.500 --> 00:38:58.500
you have to protect them sometimes.

1070
00:38:58.500 --> 00:39:00.500
We have to protect them sometimes

1071
00:39:00.500 --> 00:39:01.500
from themselves,

1072
00:39:01.500 --> 00:39:02.500
as well.

1073
00:39:02.500 --> 00:39:03.500
So, that's the job.

1074
00:39:03.500 --> 00:39:05.500
Did you have to involve yourself

1075
00:39:05.500 --> 00:39:07.500
much with social media usage

1076
00:39:07.500 --> 00:39:08.500
of your team members?

1077
00:39:08.500 --> 00:39:10.500
And did you ever consider

1078
00:39:10.500 --> 00:39:11.500
someone's social media usage

1079
00:39:11.500 --> 00:39:13.500
when you were considering signing them

1080
00:39:13.500 --> 00:39:14.500
to join the club?

1081
00:39:14.500 --> 00:39:15.500
Because I think this now

1082
00:39:15.500 --> 00:39:16.500
is a Manchester United fan.

1083
00:39:16.500 --> 00:39:17.500
I think some of...

1084
00:39:17.500 --> 00:39:18.500
When some of our players

1085
00:39:18.500 --> 00:39:19.500
are posting on social media

1086
00:39:19.500 --> 00:39:20.500
little indirect messages

1087
00:39:20.500 --> 00:39:21.500
and little emojis

1088
00:39:21.500 --> 00:39:22.500
and commenting things,

1089
00:39:22.500 --> 00:39:23.500
I just think,

1090
00:39:23.500 --> 00:39:25.500
oh, God, trouble maker.

1091
00:39:26.500 --> 00:39:29.500
We had situations that players

1092
00:39:29.500 --> 00:39:31.500
texted or posted something

1093
00:39:31.500 --> 00:39:33.500
at night and deleted it,

1094
00:39:33.500 --> 00:39:35.500
but I still got aware of it.

1095
00:39:35.500 --> 00:39:36.500
So, not that I read it,

1096
00:39:36.500 --> 00:39:37.500
but people tell me,

1097
00:39:37.500 --> 00:39:38.500
oh, last night,

1098
00:39:38.500 --> 00:39:39.500
it didn't happen.

1099
00:39:39.500 --> 00:39:40.500
When?

1100
00:39:40.500 --> 00:39:41.500
Three o'clock.

1101
00:39:41.500 --> 00:39:42.500
Three o'clock.

1102
00:39:42.500 --> 00:39:43.500
Okay.

1103
00:39:43.500 --> 00:39:45.500
What did you say?

1104
00:39:45.500 --> 00:39:46.500
Yeah, this and that.

1105
00:39:46.500 --> 00:39:47.500
Oh.

1106
00:39:47.500 --> 00:39:48.500
What I do in these situations,

1107
00:39:48.500 --> 00:39:49.500
even deleted.

1108
00:39:49.500 --> 00:39:50.500
I go in the dressing room

1109
00:39:50.500 --> 00:39:52.500
when they all lie on the house.

1110
00:39:52.500 --> 00:39:53.500
Last night,

1111
00:39:53.500 --> 00:39:55.500
this and that's happened.

1112
00:39:55.500 --> 00:39:56.500
God, deleted.

1113
00:39:56.500 --> 00:39:57.500
I know what's there,

1114
00:39:57.500 --> 00:39:59.500
but maybe you want to tell everybody.

1115
00:39:59.500 --> 00:40:01.500
You, it's awesome to say

1116
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:02.500
in front of everybody.

1117
00:40:02.500 --> 00:40:03.500
Yeah.

1118
00:40:03.500 --> 00:40:05.500
What did I say?

1119
00:40:05.500 --> 00:40:07.500
The thing is,

1120
00:40:07.500 --> 00:40:08.500
I don't go for them

1121
00:40:08.500 --> 00:40:09.500
and tell them,

1122
00:40:09.500 --> 00:40:10.500
how can you write that?

1123
00:40:10.500 --> 00:40:11.500
Or whatever.

1124
00:40:11.500 --> 00:40:12.500
So, I said, come on.

1125
00:40:12.500 --> 00:40:13.500
Somebody told me,

1126
00:40:13.500 --> 00:40:14.500
so I know it.

1127
00:40:17.500 --> 00:40:18.500
Not important, really,

1128
00:40:18.500 --> 00:40:20.500
but come on, tell the whole team

1129
00:40:20.500 --> 00:40:22.500
what he wanted to say.

1130
00:40:22.500 --> 00:40:24.500
And then you start,

1131
00:40:24.500 --> 00:40:26.500
it's not great in that situation.

1132
00:40:26.500 --> 00:40:28.500
I don't like to bring people in there,

1133
00:40:28.500 --> 00:40:29.500
but I think that's a

1134
00:40:29.500 --> 00:40:32.500
deserved punishment for something like that.

1135
00:40:32.500 --> 00:40:35.500
But actually the effect is

1136
00:40:35.500 --> 00:40:38.500
nobody ever did it again

1137
00:40:38.500 --> 00:40:40.500
because nobody wants to be in that situation

1138
00:40:40.500 --> 00:40:41.500
in a dressing room sitting there

1139
00:40:41.500 --> 00:40:42.500
and be the one

1140
00:40:42.500 --> 00:40:44.500
who has to explain something

1141
00:40:44.500 --> 00:40:46.500
he did last night or whatever.

1142
00:40:46.500 --> 00:40:49.500
I discussed individual problems

1143
00:40:50.500 --> 00:40:52.500
if it was okay,

1144
00:40:52.500 --> 00:40:53.500
in front of the team.

1145
00:40:53.500 --> 00:40:55.500
It was important for the team.

1146
00:40:55.500 --> 00:40:56.500
Yeah.

1147
00:40:56.500 --> 00:40:58.500
Come on, explain why you did that,

1148
00:40:58.500 --> 00:41:00.500
why you went out that long.

1149
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:03.500
What happened in the last two hours?

1150
00:41:03.500 --> 00:41:05.500
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

1151
00:41:05.500 --> 00:41:07.500
It's great to hear as if

1152
00:41:07.500 --> 00:41:08.500
things going well for you.

1153
00:41:08.500 --> 00:41:10.500
Yeah, mines.

1154
00:41:10.500 --> 00:41:12.500
Before I had

1155
00:41:12.500 --> 00:41:15.500
that two get here.

1156
00:41:15.500 --> 00:41:17.500
These are tears.

1157
00:41:17.500 --> 00:41:19.500
The tears the year and two years

1158
00:41:19.500 --> 00:41:21.500
before went out for the same reason.

1159
00:41:21.500 --> 00:41:22.500
So you probably know

1160
00:41:22.500 --> 00:41:24.500
we didn't get promoted for a point

1161
00:41:24.500 --> 00:41:25.500
then a goal.

1162
00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:26.500
First a goal.

1163
00:41:26.500 --> 00:41:28.500
First a point, then a goal.

1164
00:41:28.500 --> 00:41:29.500
And then this happened.

1165
00:41:29.500 --> 00:41:30.500
That was the first day

1166
00:41:30.500 --> 00:41:32.500
when it really went well.

1167
00:41:32.500 --> 00:41:33.500
So this was the day that you

1168
00:41:33.500 --> 00:41:35.500
put your mind forward for the first time

1169
00:41:35.500 --> 00:41:36.500
in the history.

1170
00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:37.500
It's up in the sligger.

1171
00:41:37.500 --> 00:41:38.500
Yeah.

1172
00:41:38.500 --> 00:41:40.500
But before winning that,

1173
00:41:40.500 --> 00:41:43.500
I learned how to lose.

1174
00:41:43.500 --> 00:41:45.500
This is very important, I would say.

1175
00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:47.500
I think that's again,

1176
00:41:47.500 --> 00:41:49.500
to learn,

1177
00:41:49.500 --> 00:41:51.500
even though you want to be as successful

1178
00:41:51.500 --> 00:41:53.500
as somehow possible.

1179
00:41:55.500 --> 00:41:57.500
You have to accept that from time to time

1180
00:41:57.500 --> 00:41:58.500
you lose.

1181
00:41:58.500 --> 00:42:00.500
And then keep,

1182
00:42:00.500 --> 00:42:02.500
when you then keep going,

1183
00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:03.500
you have a good chance

1184
00:42:03.500 --> 00:42:04.500
if you learn from it.

1185
00:42:04.500 --> 00:42:05.500
The defeat is the defeat.

1186
00:42:05.500 --> 00:42:07.500
If you don't learn from it.

1187
00:42:07.500 --> 00:42:08.500
If you learn from it,

1188
00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:10.500
it's a very, very important information.

1189
00:42:10.500 --> 00:42:11.500
And obviously in football,

1190
00:42:11.500 --> 00:42:13.500
we have a lot of opportunities

1191
00:42:13.500 --> 00:42:14.500
to get beat,

1192
00:42:14.500 --> 00:42:17.500
and opportunities to learn from it.

1193
00:42:17.500 --> 00:42:20.500
But this was the biggest relief

1194
00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:22.500
in my life,

1195
00:42:22.500 --> 00:42:23.500
not happiness.

1196
00:42:23.500 --> 00:42:25.500
That I was just pure relief.

1197
00:42:25.500 --> 00:42:28.500
The pressure was mounting.

1198
00:42:28.500 --> 00:42:30.500
That was crazy.

1199
00:42:30.500 --> 00:42:31.500
Not only myself,

1200
00:42:31.500 --> 00:42:32.500
nobody,

1201
00:42:32.500 --> 00:42:33.500
not from outside,

1202
00:42:33.500 --> 00:42:34.500
I don't know even nobody outside,

1203
00:42:34.500 --> 00:42:35.500
well thought.

1204
00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:39.500
But to make it happen that year,

1205
00:42:39.500 --> 00:42:41.500
I was really special.

1206
00:42:42.500 --> 00:42:46.500
But it took two years of coming close,

1207
00:42:46.500 --> 00:42:48.500
dealing with the disappointment.

1208
00:42:48.500 --> 00:42:49.500
Yeah.

1209
00:42:49.500 --> 00:42:51.500
When I spoke to Jamie Carregor,

1210
00:42:51.500 --> 00:42:52.500
I asked Jamie Carregor,

1211
00:42:52.500 --> 00:42:53.500
actually this early this morning,

1212
00:42:53.500 --> 00:42:55.500
I said to him,

1213
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:57.500
what was he curious about with you?

1214
00:42:57.500 --> 00:42:59.500
And this is actually what he said.

1215
00:42:59.500 --> 00:43:00.500
He said,

1216
00:43:00.500 --> 00:43:01.500
there were so many near misses

1217
00:43:01.500 --> 00:43:02.500
in your career,

1218
00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:03.500
whether it was in the Champions League,

1219
00:43:03.500 --> 00:43:04.500
or I remember when you were,

1220
00:43:04.500 --> 00:43:06.500
I had to head with Man City

1221
00:43:06.500 --> 00:43:07.500
in that season,

1222
00:43:07.500 --> 00:43:10.500
and you were one point shy of winning the league.

1223
00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:12.500
And his question was,

1224
00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:14.500
he's fascinated with how you,

1225
00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:15.500
you were so good at dealing

1226
00:43:15.500 --> 00:43:17.500
with the disappointment of near misses.

1227
00:43:17.500 --> 00:43:18.500
Because sometimes near misses

1228
00:43:18.500 --> 00:43:20.500
can cripple people.

1229
00:43:20.500 --> 00:43:22.500
They can turn them into a downward spiral.

1230
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:24.500
It can be like the plant that got stood on.

1231
00:43:24.500 --> 00:43:26.500
It can crush someone's confidence.

1232
00:43:26.500 --> 00:43:27.500
But it appears through your career

1233
00:43:27.500 --> 00:43:29.500
that near misses ended up being

1234
00:43:29.500 --> 00:43:32.500
positive forces for you.

1235
00:43:36.500 --> 00:43:38.500
It's not that I knew that always,

1236
00:43:38.500 --> 00:43:40.500
but what makes me spoke about very early,

1237
00:43:40.500 --> 00:43:42.500
but maybe the person I am,

1238
00:43:42.500 --> 00:43:43.500
these people of course,

1239
00:43:43.500 --> 00:43:45.500
mom, dad,

1240
00:43:45.500 --> 00:43:48.500
my faith as well.

1241
00:43:48.500 --> 00:43:51.500
So, and I knew,

1242
00:43:51.500 --> 00:43:53.500
always,

1243
00:43:53.500 --> 00:43:56.500
that I'm not here to get everything.

1244
00:43:56.500 --> 00:43:58.500
I'm here to give everything.

1245
00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:00.500
So,

1246
00:44:00.500 --> 00:44:01.500
that doesn't help in a moment

1247
00:44:01.500 --> 00:44:04.500
when you fail for a point.

1248
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:06.500
But in the general understanding,

1249
00:44:06.500 --> 00:44:08.500
as a person, of course,

1250
00:44:08.500 --> 00:44:09.500
it helps.

1251
00:44:09.500 --> 00:44:11.500
So, I'm not surprised that I fail.

1252
00:44:11.500 --> 00:44:12.500
I don't,

1253
00:44:12.500 --> 00:44:13.500
I don't think,

1254
00:44:13.500 --> 00:44:15.500
I don't see myself

1255
00:44:15.500 --> 00:44:17.500
as a constant winner in my,

1256
00:44:17.500 --> 00:44:19.500
in my mind.

1257
00:44:19.500 --> 00:44:21.500
I see myself as a constant triad.

1258
00:44:21.500 --> 00:44:22.500
So,

1259
00:44:22.500 --> 00:44:23.500
I don't know constant winners,

1260
00:44:23.500 --> 00:44:24.500
but there might be some

1261
00:44:24.500 --> 00:44:26.500
out there.

1262
00:44:26.500 --> 00:44:29.500
But I just can't imagine a world

1263
00:44:29.500 --> 00:44:31.500
that would be like that.

1264
00:44:31.500 --> 00:44:33.500
All the people running around there,

1265
00:44:33.500 --> 00:44:34.500
all the happy people there,

1266
00:44:34.500 --> 00:44:36.500
we know all the time.

1267
00:44:36.500 --> 00:44:38.500
Nobody wins all the time.

1268
00:44:38.500 --> 00:44:39.500
Nobody does.

1269
00:44:39.500 --> 00:44:40.500
So, it's all about dealing

1270
00:44:40.500 --> 00:44:41.500
with the things you want

1271
00:44:41.500 --> 00:44:42.500
and not get them,

1272
00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:43.500
then you want it more

1273
00:44:43.500 --> 00:44:45.500
or not any more of whatever.

1274
00:44:45.500 --> 00:44:46.500
So,

1275
00:44:46.500 --> 00:44:48.500
the moments were not great,

1276
00:44:48.500 --> 00:44:49.500
but I learned it here.

1277
00:44:49.500 --> 00:44:50.500
Doing it that day,

1278
00:44:50.500 --> 00:44:53.500
changed the destiny

1279
00:44:53.500 --> 00:44:54.500
of the club of mind,

1280
00:44:54.500 --> 00:44:55.500
that's how it is.

1281
00:44:55.500 --> 00:44:56.500
My destiny,

1282
00:44:56.500 --> 00:44:57.500
the players destiny,

1283
00:44:57.500 --> 00:44:58.500
changed everything.

1284
00:44:58.500 --> 00:44:59.500
So,

1285
00:44:59.500 --> 00:45:00.500
we wanted it that hard,

1286
00:45:00.500 --> 00:45:02.500
but we learned before,

1287
00:45:02.500 --> 00:45:04.500
we have to try harder.

1288
00:45:04.500 --> 00:45:06.500
And that's what I always took.

1289
00:45:06.500 --> 00:45:07.500
If you don't get,

1290
00:45:07.500 --> 00:45:09.500
the result you want,

1291
00:45:09.500 --> 00:45:11.500
try again,

1292
00:45:11.500 --> 00:45:13.500
and try harder.

1293
00:45:13.500 --> 00:45:14.500
It was Christian,

1294
00:45:14.500 --> 00:45:16.500
that gave you that job, wasn't it?

1295
00:45:16.500 --> 00:45:17.500
Yeah.

1296
00:45:17.500 --> 00:45:18.500
Most of the idol.

1297
00:45:18.500 --> 00:45:19.500
Christian Idol.

1298
00:45:19.500 --> 00:45:20.500
I am,

1299
00:45:20.500 --> 00:45:22.500
I spoke to Christian Idol.

1300
00:45:22.500 --> 00:45:23.500
He made it.

1301
00:45:23.500 --> 00:45:25.500
His English is very funny, isn't he?

1302
00:45:25.500 --> 00:45:26.500
Yeah, I've had to,

1303
00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:27.500
I'm going to translate it

1304
00:45:27.500 --> 00:45:28.500
for the viewers,

1305
00:45:28.500 --> 00:45:29.500
but I'm going to actually play

1306
00:45:29.500 --> 00:45:30.500
what he said to you in,

1307
00:45:30.500 --> 00:45:31.500
in German.

1308
00:45:31.500 --> 00:45:32.500
Oh, of course.

1309
00:45:32.500 --> 00:45:33.500
So, you can hear it.

1310
00:45:33.500 --> 00:45:34.500
Here we go.

1311
00:45:34.500 --> 00:45:35.500
Global.

1312
00:45:35.500 --> 00:45:37.500
Yes, dear global,

1313
00:45:37.500 --> 00:45:38.500
we've known each other

1314
00:45:38.500 --> 00:45:40.500
for exactly 35 years now.

1315
00:45:40.500 --> 00:45:42.500
First, we were both players,

1316
00:45:42.500 --> 00:45:43.500
then you subsequently

1317
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:44.500
became my esteemed coach,

1318
00:45:44.500 --> 00:45:46.500
but it all started in mites.

1319
00:45:46.500 --> 00:45:48.500
You changed an entire club,

1320
00:45:48.500 --> 00:45:50.500
you changed an entire city.

1321
00:45:50.500 --> 00:45:51.500
Back then, we were promoted

1322
00:45:51.500 --> 00:45:53.500
to the Bundesliga together,

1323
00:45:53.500 --> 00:45:54.500
and today mites has been

1324
00:45:54.500 --> 00:45:56.500
in the Bundesliga for over 25 years.

1325
00:45:56.500 --> 00:45:57.500
Back then,

1326
00:45:57.500 --> 00:45:59.500
that was actually unimaginable.

1327
00:45:59.500 --> 00:46:00.500
You go to Dortmund,

1328
00:46:00.500 --> 00:46:01.500
change your club,

1329
00:46:01.500 --> 00:46:02.500
change an entire city,

1330
00:46:02.500 --> 00:46:04.500
and win every title there is to win.

1331
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:05.500
You move to Liverpool,

1332
00:46:05.500 --> 00:46:06.500
and the same thing happens

1333
00:46:06.500 --> 00:46:07.500
for the third time.

1334
00:46:07.500 --> 00:46:08.500
You change your club,

1335
00:46:08.500 --> 00:46:10.500
you change your city.

1336
00:46:10.500 --> 00:46:11.500
I don't think any coach

1337
00:46:11.500 --> 00:46:13.500
before you has ever achieved that.

1338
00:46:13.500 --> 00:46:14.500
And I'm always asked,

1339
00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:16.500
what makes Jurgen Klopp special?

1340
00:46:16.500 --> 00:46:17.500
To this day,

1341
00:46:17.500 --> 00:46:18.500
he has simply remained

1342
00:46:18.500 --> 00:46:19.500
a genuine person,

1343
00:46:19.500 --> 00:46:20.500
always authentic,

1344
00:46:20.500 --> 00:46:21.500
which is incredibly important.

1345
00:46:21.500 --> 00:46:22.500
Apart from the fact

1346
00:46:22.500 --> 00:46:23.500
that you are,

1347
00:46:23.500 --> 00:46:25.500
of course, an outstanding expert.

1348
00:46:25.500 --> 00:46:26.500
I hope we'll see each other again

1349
00:46:26.500 --> 00:46:27.500
soon on our little

1350
00:46:27.500 --> 00:46:28.500
shared island in Mallorca.

1351
00:46:29.500 --> 00:46:30.500
And have a great day,

1352
00:46:30.500 --> 00:46:32.500
and lots of fun with your podcast.

1353
00:46:32.500 --> 00:46:33.500
Wow!

1354
00:46:33.500 --> 00:46:35.500
You had a little walk.

1355
00:46:35.500 --> 00:46:36.500
Yeah.

1356
00:46:36.500 --> 00:46:37.500
A club walk.

1357
00:46:37.500 --> 00:46:38.500
I told you.

1358
00:46:38.500 --> 00:46:39.500
You changed a club.

1359
00:46:39.500 --> 00:46:40.500
You changed the city.

1360
00:46:40.500 --> 00:46:41.500
Yeah.

1361
00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:42.500
You did that over,

1362
00:46:42.500 --> 00:46:43.500
and over and over again.

1363
00:46:43.500 --> 00:46:44.500
You went on and did that,

1364
00:46:44.500 --> 00:46:45.500
again,

1365
00:46:45.500 --> 00:46:46.500
at Dortmund,

1366
00:46:46.500 --> 00:46:49.500
winning a huge range of awards there

1367
00:46:49.500 --> 00:46:51.500
at a time when they were

1368
00:46:51.500 --> 00:46:53.500
weren't considered to be hopeful.

1369
00:46:53.500 --> 00:46:55.500
And then you went off to Liverpool

1370
00:46:55.500 --> 00:46:57.500
and did the same.

1371
00:46:57.500 --> 00:46:58.500
And as you,

1372
00:46:58.500 --> 00:46:59.500
I was reading about how,

1373
00:46:59.500 --> 00:47:00.500
when you traveled to Liverpool,

1374
00:47:00.500 --> 00:47:01.500
there was 30,000 Liverpool fans

1375
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:02.500
watching your plane fly across

1376
00:47:02.500 --> 00:47:04.500
the channel to Liverpool,

1377
00:47:04.500 --> 00:47:06.500
because they were all very excited.

1378
00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:08.500
And you arrived at a time when

1379
00:47:08.500 --> 00:47:10.500
they were in a period of dysfunction,

1380
00:47:10.500 --> 00:47:11.500
kind of similar to where Manchester United

1381
00:47:11.500 --> 00:47:12.500
are now, I guess.

1382
00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:13.500
Yeah.

1383
00:47:13.500 --> 00:47:14.500
And you managed to bring them up

1384
00:47:14.500 --> 00:47:15.500
from being a team that were

1385
00:47:15.500 --> 00:47:16.500
dysfunctional,

1386
00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:17.500
hadn't won.

1387
00:47:17.500 --> 00:47:18.500
There was a lot of pessimism

1388
00:47:18.500 --> 00:47:19.500
around the club.

1389
00:47:19.500 --> 00:47:20.500
I think, as a Man United fan,

1390
00:47:20.500 --> 00:47:21.500
I was hoping and wondering

1391
00:47:21.500 --> 00:47:22.500
that if Liverpool

1392
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:23.500
would ever come back,

1393
00:47:23.500 --> 00:47:24.500
I was hoping they would never

1394
00:47:24.500 --> 00:47:25.500
come back again.

1395
00:47:25.500 --> 00:47:26.500
But you brought them back

1396
00:47:26.500 --> 00:47:27.500
annoyingly.

1397
00:47:27.500 --> 00:47:29.500
When you arrived at Liverpool

1398
00:47:29.500 --> 00:47:30.500
that day,

1399
00:47:30.500 --> 00:47:31.500
you said in that press conference

1400
00:47:31.500 --> 00:47:33.500
that you're the normal one.

1401
00:47:33.500 --> 00:47:34.500
Remember that?

1402
00:47:34.500 --> 00:47:36.500
What did you observe

1403
00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:37.500
when you arrived?

1404
00:47:37.500 --> 00:47:38.500
What was the culture?

1405
00:47:38.500 --> 00:47:40.500
What was the feeling?

1406
00:47:40.500 --> 00:47:41.500
And what was your first thought

1407
00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:42.500
about what you had to do

1408
00:47:42.500 --> 00:47:43.500
to bring that club back

1409
00:47:43.500 --> 00:47:44.500
to its glory?

1410
00:47:44.500 --> 00:47:45.500
The feeling I got to do,

1411
00:47:45.500 --> 00:47:47.500
I had roughly a week

1412
00:47:47.500 --> 00:47:49.500
to think about everything

1413
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:51.500
from the first call

1414
00:47:51.500 --> 00:47:53.500
to the signature, I think.

1415
00:47:53.500 --> 00:47:54.500
Did you have other offers

1416
00:47:54.500 --> 00:47:55.500
from other clubs?

1417
00:47:55.500 --> 00:47:56.500
Oh, in that moment,

1418
00:47:56.500 --> 00:47:57.500
not.

1419
00:47:57.500 --> 00:47:58.500
But in the summer,

1420
00:47:58.500 --> 00:47:59.500
I had a lot of offers

1421
00:47:59.500 --> 00:48:00.500
like before.

1422
00:48:00.500 --> 00:48:01.500
I mean, I finished

1423
00:48:01.500 --> 00:48:02.500
at Dortmund.

1424
00:48:02.500 --> 00:48:03.500
But in that moment,

1425
00:48:03.500 --> 00:48:05.500
it was just Liverpool.

1426
00:48:05.500 --> 00:48:07.500
But it was kind of destiny

1427
00:48:07.500 --> 00:48:08.500
because I didn't want to.

1428
00:48:08.500 --> 00:48:09.500
It was not beware

1429
00:48:09.500 --> 00:48:10.500
on a family holiday

1430
00:48:10.500 --> 00:48:11.500
in Lisbon,

1431
00:48:11.500 --> 00:48:12.500
but the two boys,

1432
00:48:12.500 --> 00:48:13.500
well, I know,

1433
00:48:13.500 --> 00:48:14.500
sitting there,

1434
00:48:14.500 --> 00:48:15.500
phone goes,

1435
00:48:15.500 --> 00:48:16.500
my agent,

1436
00:48:16.500 --> 00:48:17.500
my is calling,

1437
00:48:17.500 --> 00:48:19.500
boys looking at my face.

1438
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:20.500
I think,

1439
00:48:20.500 --> 00:48:21.500
Liverpool.

1440
00:48:21.500 --> 00:48:22.500
And both,

1441
00:48:22.500 --> 00:48:24.500
yes,

1442
00:48:24.500 --> 00:48:25.500
the boys.

1443
00:48:25.500 --> 00:48:26.500
Yeah.

1444
00:48:26.500 --> 00:48:27.500
And when I look,

1445
00:48:27.500 --> 00:48:28.500
what did she,

1446
00:48:28.500 --> 00:48:29.500
and she didn't see my lips

1447
00:48:29.500 --> 00:48:30.500
when I spoke,

1448
00:48:30.500 --> 00:48:31.500
what?

1449
00:48:31.500 --> 00:48:32.500
And realised,

1450
00:48:32.500 --> 00:48:33.500
oh, God,

1451
00:48:33.500 --> 00:48:34.500
we start again.

1452
00:48:34.500 --> 00:48:35.500
Before she knew,

1453
00:48:35.500 --> 00:48:36.500
we will go to Liverpool.

1454
00:48:36.500 --> 00:48:37.500
What did you, boys?

1455
00:48:37.500 --> 00:48:38.500
Oh, yeah.

1456
00:48:38.500 --> 00:48:39.500
Come on.

1457
00:48:39.500 --> 00:48:40.500
If you are not a man

1458
00:48:40.500 --> 00:48:41.500
united fan,

1459
00:48:41.500 --> 00:48:42.500
you know what Liverpool means,

1460
00:48:42.500 --> 00:48:43.500
to people.

1461
00:48:43.500 --> 00:48:44.500
And they,

1462
00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:45.500
they, they,

1463
00:48:45.500 --> 00:48:47.500
yeah, they loved it.

1464
00:48:47.500 --> 00:48:48.500
We fell instantly in love

1465
00:48:48.500 --> 00:48:49.500
with that club.

1466
00:48:49.500 --> 00:48:50.500
So,

1467
00:48:50.500 --> 00:48:51.500
did you,

1468
00:48:51.500 --> 00:48:52.500
did Manchester United ever

1469
00:48:52.500 --> 00:48:54.500
spoke to them?

1470
00:48:54.500 --> 00:48:55.500
So,

1471
00:48:55.500 --> 00:48:56.500
in the year when

1472
00:48:56.500 --> 00:48:57.500
so Alex retired,

1473
00:48:57.500 --> 00:48:58.500
they,

1474
00:48:58.500 --> 00:48:59.500
they spoke to me.

1475
00:48:59.500 --> 00:49:00.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1476
00:49:00.500 --> 00:49:01.500
Of course, they were interested

1477
00:49:01.500 --> 00:49:02.500
at one point.

1478
00:49:02.500 --> 00:49:03.500
So,

1479
00:49:03.500 --> 00:49:04.500
I was, that time,

1480
00:49:04.500 --> 00:49:05.500
I would have been interested.

1481
00:49:05.500 --> 00:49:06.500
I was a young,

1482
00:49:06.500 --> 00:49:08.500
I had a sensational team at Dortmund.

1483
00:49:08.500 --> 00:49:09.500
My God.

1484
00:49:09.500 --> 00:49:10.500
So,

1485
00:49:10.500 --> 00:49:11.500
somebody, they probably thought,

1486
00:49:11.500 --> 00:49:12.500
my God,

1487
00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:13.500
what is she doing there?

1488
00:49:13.500 --> 00:49:14.500
Later on,

1489
00:49:14.500 --> 00:49:15.500
I heard that my players,

1490
00:49:15.500 --> 00:49:16.500
Handel,

1491
00:49:16.500 --> 00:49:17.500
Adam LaLana,

1492
00:49:17.500 --> 00:49:18.500
James Melon,

1493
00:49:18.500 --> 00:49:19.500
so that they flew

1494
00:49:19.500 --> 00:49:20.500
to,

1495
00:49:20.500 --> 00:49:21.500
to, to a rare Madrid,

1496
00:49:21.500 --> 00:49:22.500
when we played the semi-final

1497
00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:23.500
in the Champions League,

1498
00:49:23.500 --> 00:49:24.500
to watch us

1499
00:49:24.500 --> 00:49:25.500
and wanted to see what

1500
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:26.500
is Dortmund doing.

1501
00:49:26.500 --> 00:49:27.500
My God.

1502
00:49:27.500 --> 00:49:28.500
What a football that is.

1503
00:49:28.500 --> 00:49:29.500
I,

1504
00:49:29.500 --> 00:49:30.500
I mean, you cannot get

1505
00:49:30.500 --> 00:49:31.500
bigger compliments.

1506
00:49:31.500 --> 00:49:32.500
It's really,

1507
00:49:32.500 --> 00:49:33.500
it's really good.

1508
00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:34.500
I want to know why Manchester United

1509
00:49:34.500 --> 00:49:35.500
didn't,

1510
00:49:35.500 --> 00:49:36.500
no, no, no, no.

1511
00:49:36.500 --> 00:49:37.500
They tried.

1512
00:49:37.500 --> 00:49:38.500
It was a wrong time,

1513
00:49:38.500 --> 00:49:39.500
wrong moment.

1514
00:49:39.500 --> 00:49:40.500
For me,

1515
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:41.500
I was in contract at Dortmund.

1516
00:49:41.500 --> 00:49:42.500
I wouldn't have left,

1517
00:49:42.500 --> 00:49:43.500
not really for,

1518
00:49:43.500 --> 00:49:45.500
for nobody in that time.

1519
00:49:45.500 --> 00:49:46.500
They just needed a manager,

1520
00:49:46.500 --> 00:49:47.500
but the manager,

1521
00:49:47.500 --> 00:49:48.500
they wanted in that case,

1522
00:49:48.500 --> 00:49:49.500
now,

1523
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:50.500
just one of a few options,

1524
00:49:50.500 --> 00:49:51.500
I think.

1525
00:49:51.500 --> 00:49:52.500
So it was you that

1526
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:53.500
returned down,

1527
00:49:53.500 --> 00:49:54.500
Manchester United,

1528
00:49:54.500 --> 00:49:55.500
not Manchester United,

1529
00:49:55.500 --> 00:49:56.500
turning you down.

1530
00:49:56.500 --> 00:49:57.500
Yeah.

1531
00:49:57.500 --> 00:49:58.500
That way.

1532
00:49:58.500 --> 00:49:59.500
So I,

1533
00:49:59.500 --> 00:50:00.500
yeah.

1534
00:50:00.500 --> 00:50:01.500
So we need someone else

1535
00:50:01.500 --> 00:50:02.500
on negotiations.

1536
00:50:02.500 --> 00:50:03.500
Yeah.

1537
00:50:03.500 --> 00:50:04.500
Melon and I,

1538
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:05.500
he's not there anymore.

1539
00:50:05.500 --> 00:50:06.500
I only negotiated that,

1540
00:50:06.500 --> 00:50:07.500
so I know other people

1541
00:50:07.500 --> 00:50:08.500
in charge.

1542
00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:09.500
It's long ago,

1543
00:50:09.500 --> 00:50:10.500
long ago.

1544
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:11.500
So why wouldn't,

1545
00:50:11.500 --> 00:50:12.500
Manchester United

1546
00:50:12.500 --> 00:50:13.500
often known as the

1547
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:14.500
biggest club in the world?

1548
00:50:14.500 --> 00:50:15.500
Why wouldn't you

1549
00:50:15.500 --> 00:50:16.500
take that job?

1550
00:50:16.500 --> 00:50:18.500
Why didn't you take that job?

1551
00:50:18.500 --> 00:50:19.500
Manchester United,

1552
00:50:19.500 --> 00:50:20.500
the great Manchester United.

1553
00:50:20.500 --> 00:50:21.500
It's just typical.

1554
00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:22.500
We are now not in private,

1555
00:50:22.500 --> 00:50:23.500
in a private space.

1556
00:50:23.500 --> 00:50:24.500
So there are some reasons,

1557
00:50:24.500 --> 00:50:25.500
but the people

1558
00:50:25.500 --> 00:50:26.500
in that conversation

1559
00:50:26.500 --> 00:50:27.500
told me,

1560
00:50:27.500 --> 00:50:28.500
which I didn't like.

1561
00:50:28.500 --> 00:50:29.500
Oh, really?

1562
00:50:29.500 --> 00:50:30.500
So,

1563
00:50:30.500 --> 00:50:32.500
United was that big.

1564
00:50:32.500 --> 00:50:35.500
We get all the players we want.

1565
00:50:35.500 --> 00:50:36.500
We are like,

1566
00:50:36.500 --> 00:50:37.500
we can, this,

1567
00:50:37.500 --> 00:50:38.500
we get him,

1568
00:50:38.500 --> 00:50:39.500
we get him,

1569
00:50:39.500 --> 00:50:40.500
we get him,

1570
00:50:40.500 --> 00:50:41.500
and I was sitting there.

1571
00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:43.500
So it was not my project.

1572
00:50:43.500 --> 00:50:45.500
It didn't feel like my,

1573
00:50:45.500 --> 00:50:46.500
it was a wrong time,

1574
00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:47.500
but on top of that,

1575
00:50:47.500 --> 00:50:48.500
it was not my project.

1576
00:50:48.500 --> 00:50:49.500
I didn't,

1577
00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:50.500
I didn't,

1578
00:50:50.500 --> 00:50:51.500
I didn't want to

1579
00:50:51.500 --> 00:50:52.500
bring back,

1580
00:50:52.500 --> 00:50:53.500
I don't know,

1581
00:50:53.500 --> 00:50:54.500
Pogba,

1582
00:50:54.500 --> 00:50:56.500
Paul is a sensational player.

1583
00:50:56.500 --> 00:50:57.500
My God,

1584
00:50:57.500 --> 00:50:59.500
but these things don't work,

1585
00:50:59.500 --> 00:51:00.500
usually.

1586
00:51:00.500 --> 00:51:01.500
But these kind of things,

1587
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:02.500
or Christiano,

1588
00:51:02.500 --> 00:51:03.500
my God, we all know

1589
00:51:03.500 --> 00:51:04.500
that he's the best player

1590
00:51:04.500 --> 00:51:05.500
or together with Messi,

1591
00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:06.500
the best player in the world.

1592
00:51:06.500 --> 00:51:07.500
So,

1593
00:51:07.500 --> 00:51:09.500
but bringing back never helps.

1594
00:51:09.500 --> 00:51:10.500
And that time,

1595
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:11.500
in 2013,

1596
00:51:11.500 --> 00:51:13.500
it was obviously not about Christiano.

1597
00:51:13.500 --> 00:51:14.500
Maybe about Paul,

1598
00:51:14.500 --> 00:51:15.500
I'm not even sure

1599
00:51:15.500 --> 00:51:16.500
to get the numbers together,

1600
00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:17.500
but it was just the idea

1601
00:51:17.500 --> 00:51:18.500
is we bring the best players

1602
00:51:18.500 --> 00:51:20.500
together and let's go.

1603
00:51:20.500 --> 00:51:21.500
It wasn't about the football.

1604
00:51:21.500 --> 00:51:22.500
It was about it all.

1605
00:51:22.500 --> 00:51:23.500
And I said then,

1606
00:51:23.500 --> 00:51:24.500
it was like,

1607
00:51:24.500 --> 00:51:26.500
I am not sure,

1608
00:51:26.500 --> 00:51:27.500
that's not for me.

1609
00:51:27.500 --> 00:51:30.500
So, and then the pure,

1610
00:51:30.500 --> 00:51:34.500
pure football project

1611
00:51:34.500 --> 00:51:35.500
comes up with,

1612
00:51:35.500 --> 00:51:36.500
with Liverpool,

1613
00:51:36.500 --> 00:51:37.500
and a sensational talk

1614
00:51:37.500 --> 00:51:38.500
to my God,

1615
00:51:38.500 --> 00:51:39.500
and should,

1616
00:51:39.500 --> 00:51:40.500
that's really important,

1617
00:51:40.500 --> 00:51:41.500
as well,

1618
00:51:41.500 --> 00:51:42.500
like he was there,

1619
00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:43.500
he's the owner,

1620
00:51:43.500 --> 00:51:44.500
I know John,

1621
00:51:44.500 --> 00:51:45.500
of course, as well,

1622
00:51:45.500 --> 00:51:46.500
but Mike was responsible for us.

1623
00:51:46.500 --> 00:51:47.500
I wanted,

1624
00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:48.500
after the talk,

1625
00:51:48.500 --> 00:51:49.500
I want to be his friend,

1626
00:51:49.500 --> 00:51:50.500
he's such a good guy.

1627
00:51:50.500 --> 00:51:51.500
So, that's how it started,

1628
00:51:51.500 --> 00:51:52.500
and then in the end,

1629
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:53.500
yeah,

1630
00:51:53.500 --> 00:51:54.500
it was pretty special.

1631
00:51:54.500 --> 00:51:55.500
I find this fascinating,

1632
00:51:55.500 --> 00:51:57.500
because as a Manchester United fan,

1633
00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:58.500
I observed,

1634
00:51:58.500 --> 00:52:00.500
from the moment Sir Alex Ferguson left,

1635
00:52:00.500 --> 00:52:02.500
we adopted a very different approach,

1636
00:52:02.500 --> 00:52:03.500
and we brought in

1637
00:52:03.500 --> 00:52:05.500
all these massive name players,

1638
00:52:05.500 --> 00:52:07.500
D Maria, Falkow,

1639
00:52:07.500 --> 00:52:08.500
you know,

1640
00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:09.500
you brought him a bit,

1641
00:52:09.500 --> 00:52:10.500
Pogba, Ronaldo,

1642
00:52:10.500 --> 00:52:11.500
and we failed.

1643
00:52:11.500 --> 00:52:12.500
And,

1644
00:52:12.500 --> 00:52:14.500
it taught me something,

1645
00:52:14.500 --> 00:52:15.500
as an entrepreneur,

1646
00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:17.500
about what matters more.

1647
00:52:17.500 --> 00:52:18.500
And I actually,

1648
00:52:18.500 --> 00:52:20.500
when I read through your philosophy,

1649
00:52:20.500 --> 00:52:21.500
it's quite clear in your philosophy,

1650
00:52:21.500 --> 00:52:23.500
that you prefer attitude,

1651
00:52:23.500 --> 00:52:25.500
and character versus,

1652
00:52:25.500 --> 00:52:27.500
how many Instagram followers you've got,

1653
00:52:27.500 --> 00:52:29.500
and what you've learned in the past.

1654
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:31.500
Yeah, of course.

1655
00:52:31.500 --> 00:52:33.500
And I wanted to get your take on why you think,

1656
00:52:33.500 --> 00:52:34.500
the last,

1657
00:52:34.500 --> 00:52:35.500
this is very selfish with me,

1658
00:52:35.500 --> 00:52:37.500
the last sort of 15 years at Manchester United,

1659
00:52:37.500 --> 00:52:38.500
haven't worked out,

1660
00:52:38.500 --> 00:52:39.500
as an objective observer.

1661
00:52:39.500 --> 00:52:41.500
I want to,

1662
00:52:41.500 --> 00:52:42.500
I need to know,

1663
00:52:42.500 --> 00:52:43.500
you can't,

1664
00:52:43.500 --> 00:52:44.500
you,

1665
00:52:44.500 --> 00:52:46.500
you're a man that was able to take teams

1666
00:52:46.500 --> 00:52:48.500
and make them successful,

1667
00:52:48.500 --> 00:52:50.500
and we are currently,

1668
00:52:50.500 --> 00:52:51.500
underdogs in many regards,

1669
00:52:51.500 --> 00:52:53.500
because of the last 15 years.

1670
00:52:53.500 --> 00:52:55.500
What is it that we've missed in that time?

1671
00:52:55.500 --> 00:52:57.500
What have we overlooked in your view?

1672
00:52:57.500 --> 00:52:58.500
I know, you don't want to hear that.

1673
00:52:58.500 --> 00:52:59.500
You have a hypothesis, though.

1674
00:52:59.500 --> 00:53:02.500
I didn't think a second,

1675
00:53:03.500 --> 00:53:05.500
since I joined Liverpool,

1676
00:53:05.500 --> 00:53:08.500
about what Man United did right or wrong.

1677
00:53:08.500 --> 00:53:09.500
I just did.

1678
00:53:09.500 --> 00:53:10.500
So it's like,

1679
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:12.500
I buy into a situation.

1680
00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:14.500
So I went to Liverpool,

1681
00:53:14.500 --> 00:53:15.500
and at that moment,

1682
00:53:15.500 --> 00:53:16.500
you became our opponent,

1683
00:53:16.500 --> 00:53:17.500
not my enemy,

1684
00:53:17.500 --> 00:53:20.500
but a very important opponent.

1685
00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:22.500
One who is much more fun to beat,

1686
00:53:22.500 --> 00:53:23.500
and maybe,

1687
00:53:23.500 --> 00:53:24.500
and like others,

1688
00:53:24.500 --> 00:53:25.500
like with Everton.

1689
00:53:25.500 --> 00:53:27.500
I know so many Everton fans in Liverpool

1690
00:53:27.500 --> 00:53:29.500
have lived there for nine years.

1691
00:53:29.500 --> 00:53:30.500
So I know so many people,

1692
00:53:30.500 --> 00:53:31.500
great people.

1693
00:53:31.500 --> 00:53:32.500
Yeah.

1694
00:53:32.500 --> 00:53:33.500
So absolutely,

1695
00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:34.500
but then you go to the game,

1696
00:53:34.500 --> 00:53:35.500
you think,

1697
00:53:35.500 --> 00:53:36.500
oh my god,

1698
00:53:36.500 --> 00:53:37.500
that's something different.

1699
00:53:37.500 --> 00:53:38.500
It's like that.

1700
00:53:38.500 --> 00:53:39.500
But I really didn't think.

1701
00:53:39.500 --> 00:53:41.500
But what always in football is like this.

1702
00:53:41.500 --> 00:53:42.500
And again,

1703
00:53:42.500 --> 00:53:43.500
like in life,

1704
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:44.500
you have a problem,

1705
00:53:44.500 --> 00:53:46.500
and you only try to find a solution

1706
00:53:46.500 --> 00:53:48.500
for now knowing,

1707
00:53:48.500 --> 00:53:49.500
you have two days later,

1708
00:53:49.500 --> 00:53:50.500
another problem.

1709
00:53:50.500 --> 00:53:51.500
You know it,

1710
00:53:51.500 --> 00:53:52.500
but it's such for now.

1711
00:53:52.500 --> 00:53:54.500
Just find a solution for that problem.

1712
00:53:54.500 --> 00:53:56.500
There's no mid-no-long term.

1713
00:53:56.500 --> 00:53:57.500
So generally, okay,

1714
00:53:57.500 --> 00:53:58.500
we have to deal with that

1715
00:53:58.500 --> 00:53:59.500
for another day or two,

1716
00:53:59.500 --> 00:54:01.500
and then we can sort it,

1717
00:54:01.500 --> 00:54:02.500
and that means,

1718
00:54:02.500 --> 00:54:04.500
in Alexander,

1719
00:54:04.500 --> 00:54:06.500
we have to deal with that for a year or two,

1720
00:54:06.500 --> 00:54:08.500
and then we can make a big step.

1721
00:54:08.500 --> 00:54:09.500
Then this,

1722
00:54:09.500 --> 00:54:10.500
in our case,

1723
00:54:10.500 --> 00:54:11.500
in football case,

1724
00:54:11.500 --> 00:54:13.500
contracts are running out.

1725
00:54:13.500 --> 00:54:14.500
Player goes anyway.

1726
00:54:14.500 --> 00:54:15.500
We can sell him.

1727
00:54:15.500 --> 00:54:16.500
We can do this.

1728
00:54:16.500 --> 00:54:18.500
But because you're in such a rush,

1729
00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:19.500
all the time,

1730
00:54:19.500 --> 00:54:20.500
just because you want to

1731
00:54:20.500 --> 00:54:23.500
or have to win the next game.

1732
00:54:23.500 --> 00:54:24.500
A little bit like that,

1733
00:54:24.500 --> 00:54:25.500
being now in a situation

1734
00:54:25.500 --> 00:54:26.500
probably united,

1735
00:54:26.500 --> 00:54:27.500
in the years,

1736
00:54:27.500 --> 00:54:28.500
when they were not happy,

1737
00:54:28.500 --> 00:54:29.500
they would buy the time

1738
00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:30.500
from that time,

1739
00:54:30.500 --> 00:54:31.500
because they were becoming second.

1740
00:54:31.500 --> 00:54:33.500
I don't know what was really happy there.

1741
00:54:33.500 --> 00:54:34.500
And you think,

1742
00:54:34.500 --> 00:54:35.500
oh,

1743
00:54:35.500 --> 00:54:36.500
remember that?

1744
00:54:36.500 --> 00:54:37.500
And that time,

1745
00:54:37.500 --> 00:54:38.500
second was not good enough.

1746
00:54:38.500 --> 00:54:39.500
And now, you are not even

1747
00:54:39.500 --> 00:54:40.500
close to that.

1748
00:54:40.500 --> 00:54:41.500
But that's not a

1749
00:54:41.500 --> 00:54:42.500
man-united story for me.

1750
00:54:42.500 --> 00:54:43.500
It's just a football story.

1751
00:54:43.500 --> 00:54:44.500
It's always like that,

1752
00:54:44.500 --> 00:54:46.500
in the world of football.

1753
00:54:46.500 --> 00:54:48.500
You win.

1754
00:54:48.500 --> 00:54:49.500
You're the greatest.

1755
00:54:49.500 --> 00:54:50.500
You lose.

1756
00:54:50.500 --> 00:54:52.500
You know nothing about the game.

1757
00:54:52.500 --> 00:54:53.500
You draw.

1758
00:54:53.500 --> 00:54:54.500
You're boring.

1759
00:54:54.500 --> 00:54:55.500
So there's not that,

1760
00:54:55.500 --> 00:54:56.500
you're constant.

1761
00:54:56.500 --> 00:54:58.500
And it's only about your own idea

1762
00:54:58.500 --> 00:54:59.500
what you really want to do,

1763
00:54:59.500 --> 00:55:00.500
and where you want to go.

1764
00:55:00.500 --> 00:55:02.500
And everything in life

1765
00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:03.500
is about development.

1766
00:55:03.500 --> 00:55:04.500
Today, you were not the same

1767
00:55:04.500 --> 00:55:05.500
ten years ago.

1768
00:55:05.500 --> 00:55:06.500
I was not the same ten years ago.

1769
00:55:06.500 --> 00:55:08.500
So it means the time between

1770
00:55:08.500 --> 00:55:10.500
then and now counts.

1771
00:55:10.500 --> 00:55:12.500
So if it counts,

1772
00:55:12.500 --> 00:55:13.500
for me, the next ten years

1773
00:55:13.500 --> 00:55:14.500
do the same.

1774
00:55:14.500 --> 00:55:15.500
So it's important what I do.

1775
00:55:15.500 --> 00:55:16.500
It's important what I see

1776
00:55:16.500 --> 00:55:17.500
in a year, two, three.

1777
00:55:17.500 --> 00:55:19.500
So I have to plan my own life,

1778
00:55:19.500 --> 00:55:20.500
mid and long term,

1779
00:55:20.500 --> 00:55:21.500
as much as I can do that,

1780
00:55:21.500 --> 00:55:23.500
and especially the destiny

1781
00:55:23.500 --> 00:55:25.500
and the future of a football club.

1782
00:55:25.500 --> 00:55:28.500
A player can score a goal,

1783
00:55:28.500 --> 00:55:29.500
can score five goals,

1784
00:55:29.500 --> 00:55:31.500
but never solve the problems.

1785
00:55:31.500 --> 00:55:33.500
If you have real problems,

1786
00:55:33.500 --> 00:55:35.500
and I don't know the United

1787
00:55:35.500 --> 00:55:36.500
Problems, but the Liverpool

1788
00:55:36.500 --> 00:55:37.500
was the same.

1789
00:55:37.500 --> 00:55:38.500
It's not about that.

1790
00:55:38.500 --> 00:55:41.500
On the day when we lost

1791
00:55:41.500 --> 00:55:42.500
sold,

1792
00:55:42.500 --> 00:55:43.500
we'll continue.

1793
00:55:43.500 --> 00:55:45.500
That was not the day when I thought,

1794
00:55:45.500 --> 00:55:48.500
oh, good that we have the money.

1795
00:55:48.500 --> 00:55:49.500
I lost a player.

1796
00:55:49.500 --> 00:55:50.500
I want to do work with

1797
00:55:50.500 --> 00:55:52.500
for the next ten years,

1798
00:55:52.500 --> 00:55:53.500
if you want.

1799
00:55:53.500 --> 00:55:54.500
It was not that I thought,

1800
00:55:54.500 --> 00:55:56.500
and we can invest it.

1801
00:55:56.500 --> 00:55:57.500
Yeah.

1802
00:55:57.500 --> 00:55:58.500
We invested it smartly.

1803
00:55:58.500 --> 00:55:59.500
That's true.

1804
00:55:59.500 --> 00:56:00.500
It's not that we found a player

1805
00:56:00.500 --> 00:56:01.500
for the position,

1806
00:56:01.500 --> 00:56:02.500
and saw that that's

1807
00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:03.500
we had to saw differently,

1808
00:56:03.500 --> 00:56:05.500
but we found two really

1809
00:56:05.500 --> 00:56:07.500
solid, solid and becoming

1810
00:56:07.500 --> 00:56:08.500
world-class players

1811
00:56:08.500 --> 00:56:09.500
with Alison and Pandai.

1812
00:56:09.500 --> 00:56:11.500
That was for the future.

1813
00:56:11.500 --> 00:56:13.500
To go from there.

1814
00:56:13.500 --> 00:56:15.500
And now that's the difference, I think.

1815
00:56:15.500 --> 00:56:17.500
I've had so many founders

1816
00:56:17.500 --> 00:56:18.500
speak to me and say,

1817
00:56:18.500 --> 00:56:19.500
why didn't this particular ad

1818
00:56:19.500 --> 00:56:21.500
that I ran on this platform work for me?

1819
00:56:21.500 --> 00:56:22.500
Maybe the copy wasn't good,

1820
00:56:22.500 --> 00:56:24.500
the creative wasn't strong,

1821
00:56:24.500 --> 00:56:25.500
but usually the problem is

1822
00:56:25.500 --> 00:56:26.500
they're not having the right conversation.

1823
00:56:26.500 --> 00:56:27.500
Because that ad never reached

1824
00:56:27.500 --> 00:56:28.500
the right person.

1825
00:56:28.500 --> 00:56:30.500
And if you're in B2B marketing,

1826
00:56:30.500 --> 00:56:31.500
that is much of the game.

1827
00:56:31.500 --> 00:56:33.500
And this is where LinkedIn

1828
00:56:33.500 --> 00:56:35.500
ads solves that problem for you.

1829
00:56:35.500 --> 00:56:36.500
Their targeting is

1830
00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:37.500
ridiculously specific.

1831
00:56:37.500 --> 00:56:39.500
You can target by job title,

1832
00:56:39.500 --> 00:56:41.500
seniority, company size, industry,

1833
00:56:41.500 --> 00:56:43.500
and even someone's skillset.

1834
00:56:43.500 --> 00:56:44.500
And then network includes

1835
00:56:44.500 --> 00:56:46.500
over a billion professionals.

1836
00:56:46.500 --> 00:56:48.500
About 130 million of them

1837
00:56:48.500 --> 00:56:49.500
are decision makers.

1838
00:56:49.500 --> 00:56:51.500
So when you use LinkedIn ads,

1839
00:56:51.500 --> 00:56:52.500
you're putting your brand

1840
00:56:52.500 --> 00:56:53.500
in front of the right people.

1841
00:56:53.500 --> 00:56:55.500
And LinkedIn ads also drive the highest

1842
00:56:55.500 --> 00:56:56.500
B2B return on ad spend

1843
00:56:57.500 --> 00:56:59.500
across all ad networks in my experience.

1844
00:56:59.500 --> 00:57:01.500
If you want to give them a try,

1845
00:57:01.500 --> 00:57:04.500
head over to LinkedIn.com slash diary.

1846
00:57:04.500 --> 00:57:06.500
And when you spend $250

1847
00:57:06.500 --> 00:57:08.500
on your first LinkedIn ads campaign,

1848
00:57:08.500 --> 00:57:10.500
you'll get an extra $250

1849
00:57:10.500 --> 00:57:12.500
credit from me for the next one.

1850
00:57:12.500 --> 00:57:15.500
That's LinkedIn.com slash diary

1851
00:57:15.500 --> 00:57:17.500
terms and conditions apply.

1852
00:57:17.500 --> 00:57:18.500
Do any of you remember a conversation

1853
00:57:18.500 --> 00:57:19.500
I had on this podcast

1854
00:57:19.500 --> 00:57:22.500
with anthropologist Daniel Lieberman?

1855
00:57:22.500 --> 00:57:23.500
It was one of our most viewed

1856
00:57:23.500 --> 00:57:24.500
conversations of all time

1857
00:57:24.500 --> 00:57:26.500
and the most replayed moment

1858
00:57:26.500 --> 00:57:27.500
in that conversation

1859
00:57:27.500 --> 00:57:29.500
was when I talked about this product.

1860
00:57:29.500 --> 00:57:30.500
These are what I call

1861
00:57:30.500 --> 00:57:32.500
barefoot shoes by Vivo Barefoot,

1862
00:57:32.500 --> 00:57:34.500
which have significantly reduced support,

1863
00:57:34.500 --> 00:57:36.500
which gives my feet

1864
00:57:36.500 --> 00:57:37.500
the opportunity that they desperately

1865
00:57:37.500 --> 00:57:39.500
want to need to strengthen.

1866
00:57:39.500 --> 00:57:41.500
We're living in a comfort crisis.

1867
00:57:41.500 --> 00:57:42.500
And that at all times

1868
00:57:42.500 --> 00:57:44.500
in our lives were making this trade

1869
00:57:44.500 --> 00:57:46.500
of whether to have more comfort now

1870
00:57:46.500 --> 00:57:47.500
and therefore more discomfort

1871
00:57:47.500 --> 00:57:48.500
in the future,

1872
00:57:48.500 --> 00:57:50.500
or a little bit less comfort now,

1873
00:57:50.500 --> 00:57:51.500
but to be stronger

1874
00:57:51.500 --> 00:57:53.500
and healthier in the future.

1875
00:57:53.500 --> 00:57:55.500
And research from Liverpool University

1876
00:57:55.500 --> 00:57:56.500
is back this up.

1877
00:57:56.500 --> 00:57:57.500
They've shown that wearing

1878
00:57:57.500 --> 00:57:59.500
Vivo Barefoot shoes for six months

1879
00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:00.500
can increase foot strength

1880
00:58:00.500 --> 00:58:02.500
by up to 60%.

1881
00:58:02.500 --> 00:58:04.500
So if you want to start strengthening your feet

1882
00:58:04.500 --> 00:58:05.500
and your body,

1883
00:58:05.500 --> 00:58:08.500
visit VivoBarefoot.com slash Steven.

1884
00:58:08.500 --> 00:58:09.500
And you'll get 20% off

1885
00:58:09.500 --> 00:58:10.500
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1886
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1887
00:58:12.500 --> 00:58:13.500
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1888
00:58:13.500 --> 00:58:14.500
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1889
00:58:14.500 --> 00:58:17.500
a 100 day money back guarantee.

1890
00:58:17.500 --> 00:58:19.500
What I love about football

1891
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:21.500
is the analogies to

1892
00:58:21.500 --> 00:58:22.500
the world I'm in,

1893
00:58:22.500 --> 00:58:23.500
which is the world of business,

1894
00:58:23.500 --> 00:58:24.500
where you can watch a team

1895
00:58:24.500 --> 00:58:25.500
like we're seeing

1896
00:58:25.500 --> 00:58:26.500
I think Crystal Palace at the moment,

1897
00:58:26.500 --> 00:58:28.500
who objectively don't have

1898
00:58:28.500 --> 00:58:29.500
maybe the best players in the world,

1899
00:58:29.500 --> 00:58:31.500
they don't have the most money.

1900
00:58:31.500 --> 00:58:32.500
Bournemouth as well.

1901
00:58:32.500 --> 00:58:33.500
Bournemouth as well, yeah.

1902
00:58:33.500 --> 00:58:34.500
But they're doing something

1903
00:58:34.500 --> 00:58:36.500
which is creating this magic.

1904
00:58:36.500 --> 00:58:38.500
And it's this wonderful narrative

1905
00:58:38.500 --> 00:58:40.500
of you don't need to have the most

1906
00:58:40.500 --> 00:58:42.500
talent or resources

1907
00:58:42.500 --> 00:58:44.500
to have the best outcome.

1908
00:58:44.500 --> 00:58:46.500
So what is that gap between...

1909
00:58:46.500 --> 00:58:47.500
And that's...

1910
00:58:47.500 --> 00:58:48.500
There must be something.

1911
00:58:48.500 --> 00:58:49.500
Now, look,

1912
00:58:49.500 --> 00:58:50.500
it's a situation in the moment

1913
00:58:50.500 --> 00:58:51.500
and the situation

1914
00:58:51.500 --> 00:58:52.500
where Crystal Palace and Bournemouth

1915
00:58:52.500 --> 00:58:53.500
is massively different

1916
00:58:53.500 --> 00:58:54.500
to the situation for United.

1917
00:58:54.500 --> 00:58:56.500
If Bournemouth wins a game one

1918
00:58:56.500 --> 00:58:58.500
and doesn't perform particularly well,

1919
00:58:58.500 --> 00:59:00.500
you take it and you go on.

1920
00:59:00.500 --> 00:59:01.500
I'm not sure you would redefine

1921
00:59:01.500 --> 00:59:03.500
an article in the newspaper

1922
00:59:03.500 --> 00:59:04.500
about it just when and go.

1923
00:59:04.500 --> 00:59:06.500
But United is United.

1924
00:59:06.500 --> 00:59:07.500
United each step

1925
00:59:07.500 --> 00:59:10.500
is under the focus.

1926
00:59:10.500 --> 00:59:12.500
And they're like,

1927
00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:13.500
oh, they won.

1928
00:59:13.500 --> 00:59:14.500
But he didn't play great.

1929
00:59:14.500 --> 00:59:16.500
So they win a game

1930
00:59:16.500 --> 00:59:18.500
and then somebody doesn't perform well.

1931
00:59:18.500 --> 00:59:20.500
So pick him out and go for him

1932
00:59:20.500 --> 00:59:21.500
for it or at least think,

1933
00:59:21.500 --> 00:59:22.500
wow.

1934
00:59:22.500 --> 00:59:24.500
So the coach has to pick him up

1935
00:59:24.500 --> 00:59:25.500
again.

1936
00:59:25.500 --> 00:59:26.500
No, it's all right.

1937
00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:27.500
Stuff like this.

1938
00:59:27.500 --> 00:59:28.500
And the next one.

1939
00:59:28.500 --> 00:59:29.500
And then there are

1940
00:59:29.500 --> 00:59:30.500
completely different

1941
00:59:30.500 --> 00:59:31.500
situations.

1942
00:59:31.500 --> 00:59:33.500
The only problem you have now

1943
00:59:33.500 --> 00:59:35.500
in the time

1944
00:59:35.500 --> 00:59:37.500
you try to sort your problems

1945
00:59:37.500 --> 00:59:39.500
all the other clubs

1946
00:59:39.500 --> 00:59:41.500
improve their situations.

1947
00:59:41.500 --> 00:59:44.500
So Liverpool has an incredible squad.

1948
00:59:44.500 --> 00:59:45.500
Yes.

1949
00:59:45.500 --> 00:59:46.500
Are there 100% happy right now

1950
00:59:46.500 --> 00:59:47.500
with the three defeats?

1951
00:59:47.500 --> 00:59:48.500
No, probably not.

1952
00:59:48.500 --> 00:59:49.500
But incredible squad.

1953
00:59:49.500 --> 00:59:51.500
Arsenal is an incredible squad.

1954
00:59:51.500 --> 00:59:52.500
City is city.

1955
00:59:52.500 --> 00:59:54.500
I mean, I want to strike back.

1956
00:59:54.500 --> 00:59:56.500
There's already three clubs.

1957
00:59:56.500 --> 00:59:57.500
Chelsea.

1958
00:59:57.500 --> 00:59:58.500
Huh?

1959
00:59:58.500 --> 01:00:00.500
In that time when everybody thought,

1960
01:00:00.500 --> 01:00:01.500
do they have an overview

1961
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:02.500
about their transfer market?

1962
01:00:02.500 --> 01:00:03.500
Do they know who they own

1963
01:00:03.500 --> 01:00:04.500
and who they're loaned

1964
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:05.500
and stuff like this?

1965
01:00:05.500 --> 01:00:07.500
Obviously, somehow it pays off.

1966
01:00:07.500 --> 01:00:10.500
So they have already five clubs.

1967
01:00:10.500 --> 01:00:11.500
They are above you.

1968
01:00:11.500 --> 01:00:13.500
Are you happy with the position six?

1969
01:00:13.500 --> 01:00:14.500
No.

1970
01:00:14.500 --> 01:00:15.500
Yeah.

1971
01:00:15.500 --> 01:00:16.500
And here's the problem.

1972
01:00:16.500 --> 01:00:18.500
Should you be happy theoretically

1973
01:00:18.500 --> 01:00:19.500
with position six?

1974
01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:20.500
Maybe.

1975
01:00:20.500 --> 01:00:21.500
This year.

1976
01:00:21.500 --> 01:00:22.500
And below that.

1977
01:00:22.500 --> 01:00:25.500
So find a reason.

1978
01:00:25.500 --> 01:00:27.500
Find a reason to enjoy

1979
01:00:27.500 --> 01:00:28.500
the situation again.

1980
01:00:28.500 --> 01:00:30.500
Find a reason to enjoy

1981
01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:32.500
a one-nil victory,

1982
01:00:32.500 --> 01:00:33.500
a two-nil victory at home,

1983
01:00:33.500 --> 01:00:35.500
whoever against whoever

1984
01:00:35.500 --> 01:00:38.500
Southampton tried to enjoy that.

1985
01:00:38.500 --> 01:00:39.500
Really.

1986
01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:40.500
Be happy.

1987
01:00:40.500 --> 01:00:41.500
Go home.

1988
01:00:41.500 --> 01:00:42.500
And not listening to others

1989
01:00:42.500 --> 01:00:45.500
would tell you then.

1990
01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:46.500
But Southampton.

1991
01:00:46.500 --> 01:00:48.500
That's what we had years ago

1992
01:00:48.500 --> 01:00:51.500
when we decided after a draw

1993
01:00:51.500 --> 01:00:54.500
against West Brom

1994
01:00:54.500 --> 01:00:56.500
to say thank you to the supporters.

1995
01:00:56.500 --> 01:00:58.500
We stand in front of the cup

1996
01:00:58.500 --> 01:01:00.500
and hold his other hand

1997
01:01:00.500 --> 01:01:02.500
and said thank you.

1998
01:01:02.500 --> 01:01:03.500
And then the press conference

1999
01:01:03.500 --> 01:01:05.500
Tony Poulis,

2000
01:01:05.500 --> 01:01:07.500
what a world we are living in

2001
01:01:07.500 --> 01:01:09.500
when Liverpool with the money they spend

2002
01:01:09.500 --> 01:01:12.500
to celebrate the point

2003
01:01:12.500 --> 01:01:14.500
against West Brom.

2004
01:01:14.500 --> 01:01:15.500
Thank you.

2005
01:01:15.500 --> 01:01:18.500
But it's your choice

2006
01:01:18.500 --> 01:01:20.500
how you grow together again.

2007
01:01:20.500 --> 01:01:21.500
And I think

2008
01:01:21.500 --> 01:01:23.500
after all the years now

2009
01:01:23.500 --> 01:01:25.500
without a lot of good football,

2010
01:01:25.500 --> 01:01:26.500
they need to find a way

2011
01:01:26.500 --> 01:01:28.500
to grow together again.

2012
01:01:28.500 --> 01:01:31.500
I fully believe in ribbon, Amarim.

2013
01:01:31.500 --> 01:01:32.500
I think he's a man

2014
01:01:32.500 --> 01:01:34.500
that's focused on culture

2015
01:01:34.500 --> 01:01:36.500
and I like how honesty is as well.

2016
01:01:36.500 --> 01:01:38.500
And I think with the team

2017
01:01:38.500 --> 01:01:39.500
that they have around them

2018
01:01:39.500 --> 01:01:40.500
with people like Jason Wilcox

2019
01:01:40.500 --> 01:01:41.500
and Inos,

2020
01:01:41.500 --> 01:01:43.500
who I've met and colour

2021
01:01:43.500 --> 01:01:44.500
and all the others that are there,

2022
01:01:44.500 --> 01:01:46.500
I think we've never been

2023
01:01:46.500 --> 01:01:47.500
in a better place.

2024
01:01:47.500 --> 01:01:48.500
I personally feel like that

2025
01:01:48.500 --> 01:01:49.500
because I just think

2026
01:01:49.500 --> 01:01:50.500
they're aiming for

2027
01:01:50.500 --> 01:01:51.500
more long-term things.

2028
01:01:51.500 --> 01:01:52.500
They're aiming at the only

2029
01:01:52.500 --> 01:01:53.500
long-term things.

2030
01:01:53.500 --> 01:01:54.500
The only problem

2031
01:01:54.500 --> 01:01:55.500
is you have an old crew

2032
01:01:55.500 --> 01:01:56.500
about football,

2033
01:01:56.500 --> 01:01:57.500
besides that.

2034
01:01:57.500 --> 01:01:59.500
That's a small problem.

2035
01:01:59.500 --> 01:02:01.500
So good on you.

2036
01:02:01.500 --> 01:02:02.500
Good on you.

2037
01:02:02.500 --> 01:02:04.500
I have faith.

2038
01:02:04.500 --> 01:02:05.500
That's great.

2039
01:02:05.500 --> 01:02:06.500
I'm like,

2040
01:02:06.500 --> 01:02:07.500
yeah.

2041
01:02:07.500 --> 01:02:08.500
I don't know what my friends do,

2042
01:02:08.500 --> 01:02:09.500
but I certainly do.

2043
01:02:09.500 --> 01:02:10.500
And the only reason I have faith

2044
01:02:10.500 --> 01:02:11.500
is because I see the club

2045
01:02:11.500 --> 01:02:13.500
aiming at more long-term things now.

2046
01:02:13.500 --> 01:02:14.500
And not buying.

2047
01:02:14.500 --> 01:02:15.500
That's what they have to do.

2048
01:02:15.500 --> 01:02:17.500
They have loads of Instagram followers.

2049
01:02:17.500 --> 01:02:19.500
When you got that phone call

2050
01:02:19.500 --> 01:02:20.500
from Liverpool and they asked you

2051
01:02:20.500 --> 01:02:21.500
to come and join,

2052
01:02:21.500 --> 01:02:22.500
you said,

2053
01:02:22.500 --> 01:02:23.500
well, the reason you chose Liverpool

2054
01:02:23.500 --> 01:02:24.500
is because they felt like

2055
01:02:24.500 --> 01:02:25.500
a football project,

2056
01:02:25.500 --> 01:02:27.500
versus Manchester United,

2057
01:02:27.500 --> 01:02:29.500
who seemed to be a bit more

2058
01:02:29.500 --> 01:02:30.500
less football or into it.

2059
01:02:30.500 --> 01:02:31.500
That's not the same year.

2060
01:02:31.500 --> 01:02:33.500
Two years before.

2061
01:02:33.500 --> 01:02:35.500
I'm wondering

2062
01:02:36.500 --> 01:02:38.500
what is it about their proposal

2063
01:02:38.500 --> 01:02:41.500
that made you think it was a football project?

2064
01:02:41.500 --> 01:02:42.500
Oh, just a situation.

2065
01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:43.500
I knew the club.

2066
01:02:43.500 --> 01:02:44.500
I knew the team.

2067
01:02:44.500 --> 01:02:46.500
So if you look at,

2068
01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:47.500
on top of that,

2069
01:02:47.500 --> 01:02:48.500
I didn't think that way.

2070
01:02:48.500 --> 01:02:51.500
But when Celtics left,

2071
01:02:51.500 --> 01:02:52.500
it was,

2072
01:02:52.500 --> 01:02:53.500
and they became champion

2073
01:02:53.500 --> 01:02:54.500
in the last year,

2074
01:02:54.500 --> 01:02:55.500
but it was not that the team

2075
01:02:55.500 --> 01:02:57.500
was one you build a future on.

2076
01:02:57.500 --> 01:02:58.500
So that's how it is.

2077
01:02:58.500 --> 01:02:59.500
When you come in,

2078
01:02:59.500 --> 01:03:00.500
it's a bit built to fail,

2079
01:03:00.500 --> 01:03:01.500
if you want it.

2080
01:03:01.500 --> 01:03:02.500
But I didn't see it that way.

2081
01:03:02.500 --> 01:03:03.500
And that time it was

2082
01:03:03.500 --> 01:03:04.500
at other reasons.

2083
01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:05.500
But if I would have thought

2084
01:03:05.500 --> 01:03:06.500
longer about it,

2085
01:03:06.500 --> 01:03:07.500
probably,

2086
01:03:07.500 --> 01:03:09.500
yeah.

2087
01:03:09.500 --> 01:03:10.500
So David,

2088
01:03:10.500 --> 01:03:11.500
more fantastic,

2089
01:03:11.500 --> 01:03:12.500
fantastic manager,

2090
01:03:12.500 --> 01:03:14.500
what it proves every year,

2091
01:03:14.500 --> 01:03:16.500
couldn't do the job

2092
01:03:16.500 --> 01:03:17.500
and since then,

2093
01:03:17.500 --> 01:03:18.500
it's a bit of a problem.

2094
01:03:18.500 --> 01:03:20.500
So a new team needs time.

2095
01:03:20.500 --> 01:03:21.500
He was stitched up.

2096
01:03:21.500 --> 01:03:22.500
So needs time.

2097
01:03:22.500 --> 01:03:24.500
So Liverpool,

2098
01:03:24.500 --> 01:03:25.500
the team,

2099
01:03:25.500 --> 01:03:26.500
as said,

2100
01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:27.500
when I came,

2101
01:03:27.500 --> 01:03:28.500
nobody likes the team.

2102
01:03:28.500 --> 01:03:30.500
Not even the team likes the team.

2103
01:03:30.500 --> 01:03:31.500
I like the team.

2104
01:03:31.500 --> 01:03:32.500
I knew the team.

2105
01:03:32.500 --> 01:03:33.500
I knew the players.

2106
01:03:33.500 --> 01:03:34.500
I thought,

2107
01:03:34.500 --> 01:03:35.500
Bobby Fominion moved there.

2108
01:03:35.500 --> 01:03:36.500
I said,

2109
01:03:36.500 --> 01:03:37.500
oh, that's smart.

2110
01:03:37.500 --> 01:03:38.500
That's smart transfer.

2111
01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:39.500
I know Chris,

2112
01:03:39.500 --> 01:03:40.500
I knew Chris Schumpen take it.

2113
01:03:40.500 --> 01:03:41.500
I loved Liverpool Reggie.

2114
01:03:41.500 --> 01:03:42.500
I knew John Henderson.

2115
01:03:42.500 --> 01:03:43.500
I knew Adam Lannan.

2116
01:03:43.500 --> 01:03:44.500
I know plenty players.

2117
01:03:44.500 --> 01:03:45.500
And I heard only,

2118
01:03:45.500 --> 01:03:46.500
kind of good enough.

2119
01:03:46.500 --> 01:03:47.500
And I thought,

2120
01:03:47.500 --> 01:03:48.500
oh,

2121
01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:49.500
well,

2122
01:03:49.500 --> 01:03:50.500
let's see.

2123
01:03:50.500 --> 01:03:51.500
So I liked the team.

2124
01:03:51.500 --> 01:03:52.500
So that's the football team.

2125
01:03:52.500 --> 01:03:53.500
Probably football.

2126
01:03:53.500 --> 01:03:54.500
Super attitude.

2127
01:03:54.500 --> 01:03:55.500
I mean,

2128
01:03:55.500 --> 01:03:56.500
just on day one,

2129
01:03:56.500 --> 01:03:57.500
I could have

2130
01:03:57.500 --> 01:03:59.500
played

2131
01:03:59.500 --> 01:04:00.500
Handle, Millie and Adam

2132
01:04:00.500 --> 01:04:01.500
together in midfield.

2133
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:02.500
Maybe I did.

2134
01:04:02.500 --> 01:04:03.500
I don't even know my

2135
01:04:03.500 --> 01:04:04.500
first liner,

2136
01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:05.500
but that's a proper

2137
01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:06.500
engine room.

2138
01:04:06.500 --> 01:04:07.500
It's smart players.

2139
01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:08.500
It's people who really

2140
01:04:08.500 --> 01:04:09.500
want to,

2141
01:04:09.500 --> 01:04:10.500
want to perform,

2142
01:04:10.500 --> 01:04:11.500
want to work hard

2143
01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:12.500
and all these kind of things.

2144
01:04:12.500 --> 01:04:13.500
That's what you need for start.

2145
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:15.500
I knew Liverpool was not the same club

2146
01:04:15.500 --> 01:04:16.500
than ever before.

2147
01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:17.500
It's not that I

2148
01:04:17.500 --> 01:04:18.500
went into the shiny

2149
01:04:18.500 --> 01:04:19.500
room.

2150
01:04:19.500 --> 01:04:20.500
I played there

2151
01:04:20.500 --> 01:04:21.500
a year before

2152
01:04:21.500 --> 01:04:22.500
with Dortmund in

2153
01:04:22.500 --> 01:04:23.500
some of the preseason.

2154
01:04:23.500 --> 01:04:24.500
And it was

2155
01:04:24.500 --> 01:04:27.500
massively disappointed

2156
01:04:27.500 --> 01:04:28.500
about the dressing rooms.

2157
01:04:28.500 --> 01:04:29.500
I remember,

2158
01:04:29.500 --> 01:04:31.500
you have this

2159
01:04:31.500 --> 01:04:32.500
pictures in your mind.

2160
01:04:32.500 --> 01:04:33.500
You think,

2161
01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:34.500
oh my God, it's

2162
01:04:34.500 --> 01:04:35.500
envy.

2163
01:04:35.500 --> 01:04:36.500
And you walk in

2164
01:04:36.500 --> 01:04:37.500
and make two steps

2165
01:04:37.500 --> 01:04:38.500
into the dressing room

2166
01:04:38.500 --> 01:04:39.500
when you run against a wall.

2167
01:04:39.500 --> 01:04:40.500
And you think,

2168
01:04:40.500 --> 01:04:41.500
kidding?

2169
01:04:41.500 --> 01:04:42.500
Is that all?

2170
01:04:42.500 --> 01:04:43.500
Where's the rest?

2171
01:04:43.500 --> 01:04:44.500
So,

2172
01:04:44.500 --> 01:04:45.500
English dressing rooms

2173
01:04:45.500 --> 01:04:46.500
are really,

2174
01:04:46.500 --> 01:04:47.500
really small in the old

2175
01:04:47.500 --> 01:04:48.500
stadiums.

2176
01:04:48.500 --> 01:04:49.500
They were thinking,

2177
01:04:49.500 --> 01:04:50.500
oh my God,

2178
01:04:50.500 --> 01:04:51.500
how can you bring it?

2179
01:04:51.500 --> 01:04:52.500
It was built for 11 players

2180
01:04:52.500 --> 01:04:53.500
and now we come here with 30.

2181
01:04:53.500 --> 01:04:54.500
So people

2182
01:04:54.500 --> 01:04:55.500
in that room

2183
01:04:55.500 --> 01:04:56.500
doesn't help.

2184
01:04:56.500 --> 01:04:57.500
So,

2185
01:04:57.500 --> 01:04:58.500
I knew about the history.

2186
01:04:58.500 --> 01:04:59.500
I knew that nobody is happy.

2187
01:04:59.500 --> 01:05:01.500
I knew that I like the team.

2188
01:05:01.500 --> 01:05:04.500
That's a good start.

2189
01:05:04.500 --> 01:05:05.500
And did they tell you

2190
01:05:05.500 --> 01:05:06.500
that they were going to

2191
01:05:06.500 --> 01:05:07.500
develop the ground,

2192
01:05:07.500 --> 01:05:08.500
the stadium?

2193
01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:09.500
Did they make any promises

2194
01:05:09.500 --> 01:05:10.500
to your assurances?

2195
01:05:10.500 --> 01:05:11.500
Did they tell you?

2196
01:05:11.500 --> 01:05:12.500
No.

2197
01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:13.500
You didn't really

2198
01:05:13.500 --> 01:05:14.500
speak about that in the first

2199
01:05:14.500 --> 01:05:15.500
conversation.

2200
01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:16.500
That's nothing I need to

2201
01:05:16.500 --> 01:05:17.500
talk about in this kind of

2202
01:05:17.500 --> 01:05:18.500
conversation.

2203
01:05:18.500 --> 01:05:19.500
I know that the job I had

2204
01:05:19.500 --> 01:05:20.500
in that moment was just

2205
01:05:20.500 --> 01:05:21.500
to improve the football team,

2206
01:05:21.500 --> 01:05:22.500
not the club.

2207
01:05:22.500 --> 01:05:23.500
That I was involved

2208
01:05:23.500 --> 01:05:24.500
in all the other stuff

2209
01:05:24.500 --> 01:05:25.500
happened with time.

2210
01:05:25.500 --> 01:05:26.500
With time.

2211
01:05:27.500 --> 01:05:28.500
Just to be realized,

2212
01:05:28.500 --> 01:05:30.500
this is my responsibility now

2213
01:05:30.500 --> 01:05:31.500
as well.

2214
01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:32.500
You never know.

2215
01:05:32.500 --> 01:05:33.500
I don't plan

2216
01:05:33.500 --> 01:05:34.500
seven, eight, nine years

2217
01:05:34.500 --> 01:05:35.500
belts in a club.

2218
01:05:35.500 --> 01:05:36.500
It just happens.

2219
01:05:36.500 --> 01:05:37.500
It's like I don't

2220
01:05:37.500 --> 01:05:39.500
think they could

2221
01:05:39.500 --> 01:05:41.500
sack me, but I know

2222
01:05:41.500 --> 01:05:42.500
could happen.

2223
01:05:42.500 --> 01:05:43.500
So I plan

2224
01:05:43.500 --> 01:05:45.500
from a specific moment on

2225
01:05:45.500 --> 01:05:47.500
when I sorted the first few

2226
01:05:47.500 --> 01:05:48.500
things, then I plan,

2227
01:05:48.500 --> 01:05:49.500
mid and long term,

2228
01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:50.500
or always did,

2229
01:05:50.500 --> 01:05:52.500
knowing it might not be

2230
01:05:52.500 --> 01:05:53.500
for me.

2231
01:05:53.500 --> 01:05:55.500
But I was never

2232
01:05:55.500 --> 01:05:56.500
worried about that too much.

2233
01:05:56.500 --> 01:05:57.500
But what was the first

2234
01:05:57.500 --> 01:05:58.500
couple of things you

2235
01:05:58.500 --> 01:05:59.500
thought you had to change

2236
01:05:59.500 --> 01:06:00.500
to get them winning

2237
01:06:00.500 --> 01:06:02.500
and to get the confidence

2238
01:06:02.500 --> 01:06:03.500
back and to ultimately

2239
01:06:03.500 --> 01:06:04.500
bring this city behind you?

2240
01:06:04.500 --> 01:06:05.500
Was there anything you

2241
01:06:05.500 --> 01:06:06.500
thought, okay, the first

2242
01:06:06.500 --> 01:06:07.500
thing I'm going to have to

2243
01:06:07.500 --> 01:06:08.500
do is get rid of him,

2244
01:06:08.500 --> 01:06:09.500
change this.

2245
01:06:09.500 --> 01:06:11.500
So, a year before,

2246
01:06:11.500 --> 01:06:12.500
and not in that season,

2247
01:06:12.500 --> 01:06:14.500
but two years before,

2248
01:06:14.500 --> 01:06:15.500
they nearly became

2249
01:06:15.500 --> 01:06:16.500
chairman.

2250
01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:17.500
It was a different team.

2251
01:06:17.500 --> 01:06:18.500
It was a very

2252
01:06:18.500 --> 01:06:19.500
specific way of football

2253
01:06:19.500 --> 01:06:20.500
offensively.

2254
01:06:20.500 --> 01:06:21.500
Oh, my God,

2255
01:06:21.500 --> 01:06:22.500
ever.

2256
01:06:23.500 --> 01:06:25.500
Ridiculously good defensively.

2257
01:06:25.500 --> 01:06:26.500
Yeah.

2258
01:06:26.500 --> 01:06:27.500
Lucky or good goalie there.

2259
01:06:27.500 --> 01:06:28.500
Stuff like this was not

2260
01:06:28.500 --> 01:06:29.500
the same.

2261
01:06:29.500 --> 01:06:30.500
So we didn't have the team

2262
01:06:30.500 --> 01:06:31.500
from that time.

2263
01:06:31.500 --> 01:06:32.500
We didn't have Suarez.

2264
01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:33.500
We didn't have

2265
01:06:33.500 --> 01:06:34.500
sterling.

2266
01:06:34.500 --> 01:06:35.500
Yeah, we had

2267
01:06:35.500 --> 01:06:37.500
still tennis storage stuff

2268
01:06:37.500 --> 01:06:38.500
like this.

2269
01:06:38.500 --> 01:06:39.500
But it was different,

2270
01:06:39.500 --> 01:06:40.500
different team,

2271
01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:41.500
completely different.

2272
01:06:41.500 --> 01:06:42.500
So I arrived there

2273
01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:43.500
at five strikers.

2274
01:06:43.500 --> 01:06:44.500
It was

2275
01:06:44.500 --> 01:06:45.500
Christmas

2276
01:06:45.500 --> 01:06:46.500
take.

2277
01:06:46.500 --> 01:06:47.500
Dennings,

2278
01:06:47.500 --> 01:06:48.500
DiVogoregi,

2279
01:06:48.500 --> 01:06:49.500
Bobby Feminio.

2280
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:50.500
Daniel started five

2281
01:06:50.500 --> 01:06:51.500
strikers.

2282
01:06:51.500 --> 01:06:52.500
He wanted to play

2283
01:06:52.500 --> 01:06:53.500
in one striker

2284
01:06:53.500 --> 01:06:54.500
system.

2285
01:06:54.500 --> 01:06:55.500
How do we deal with that?

2286
01:06:55.500 --> 01:06:56.500
But it was fine.

2287
01:06:56.500 --> 01:06:57.500
And there was

2288
01:06:57.500 --> 01:06:58.500
so much quality,

2289
01:06:58.500 --> 01:06:59.500
just not really sorted.

2290
01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:00.500
So the first thing

2291
01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:01.500
I had to sort is

2292
01:07:01.500 --> 01:07:02.500
to organize them.

2293
01:07:02.500 --> 01:07:03.500
So find a way

2294
01:07:03.500 --> 01:07:04.500
to make sure

2295
01:07:04.500 --> 01:07:05.500
that they understand

2296
01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:06.500
that we have a chance

2297
01:07:06.500 --> 01:07:07.500
to win the next football game.

2298
01:07:07.500 --> 01:07:08.500
We have to do a couple

2299
01:07:08.500 --> 01:07:09.500
of things for that.

2300
01:07:09.500 --> 01:07:10.500
For Tottenham,

2301
01:07:10.500 --> 01:07:11.500
three days time to train.

2302
01:07:11.500 --> 01:07:12.500
Yeah.

2303
01:07:12.500 --> 01:07:14.500
Jump in their face.

2304
01:07:14.500 --> 01:07:15.500
And let's see what

2305
01:07:15.500 --> 01:07:16.500
we get for it.

2306
01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:17.500
It's not organized.

2307
01:07:17.500 --> 01:07:18.500
It's like,

2308
01:07:18.500 --> 01:07:19.500
we'd be started

2309
01:07:19.500 --> 01:07:20.500
with an organized chaos.

2310
01:07:20.500 --> 01:07:22.500
So I gave them a few ideas about

2311
01:07:22.500 --> 01:07:23.500
where we have to,

2312
01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:24.500
where we want to put them

2313
01:07:24.500 --> 01:07:25.500
on a pressure.

2314
01:07:25.500 --> 01:07:26.500
And in that moment,

2315
01:07:26.500 --> 01:07:27.500
now do it.

2316
01:07:27.500 --> 01:07:28.500
And afterwards, we work,

2317
01:07:28.500 --> 01:07:29.500
we talk about it,

2318
01:07:29.500 --> 01:07:30.500
how it worked out,

2319
01:07:30.500 --> 01:07:31.500
because there was no time

2320
01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:32.500
to train.

2321
01:07:32.500 --> 01:07:33.500
Anyway, we had no time.

2322
01:07:33.500 --> 01:07:34.500
It began after we played

2323
01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:35.500
European League.

2324
01:07:35.500 --> 01:07:36.500
I think in the mid-week

2325
01:07:36.500 --> 01:07:37.500
and then we play again.

2326
01:07:37.500 --> 01:07:38.500
And though it's like,

2327
01:07:38.500 --> 01:07:40.500
you are in a rush

2328
01:07:40.500 --> 01:07:42.500
at a coaching career

2329
01:07:42.500 --> 01:07:43.500
with all the games

2330
01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:44.500
you have to play.

2331
01:07:44.500 --> 01:07:45.500
If you really want to

2332
01:07:45.500 --> 01:07:46.500
a top team especially,

2333
01:07:46.500 --> 01:07:47.500
you really want to

2334
01:07:47.500 --> 01:07:48.500
develop a style of football.

2335
01:07:48.500 --> 01:07:50.500
You are set up to fail.

2336
01:07:50.500 --> 01:07:51.500
Because it's like,

2337
01:07:51.500 --> 01:07:52.500
you have no time in the preseason.

2338
01:07:52.500 --> 01:07:53.500
There's no,

2339
01:07:53.500 --> 01:07:54.500
there are players

2340
01:07:54.500 --> 01:07:55.500
everywhere playing big tournaments,

2341
01:07:55.500 --> 01:07:56.500
blah, blah, blah.

2342
01:07:56.500 --> 01:07:57.500
And you only come two weeks

2343
01:07:57.500 --> 01:07:58.500
before the season starts

2344
01:07:58.500 --> 01:08:00.500
into your camp.

2345
01:08:00.500 --> 01:08:01.500
Okay.

2346
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:03.500
So let's go from here.

2347
01:08:03.500 --> 01:08:04.500
Then you play,

2348
01:08:04.500 --> 01:08:06.500
top teams play every three days

2349
01:08:06.500 --> 01:08:07.500
from a specific date on.

2350
01:08:07.500 --> 01:08:09.500
We obviously,

2351
01:08:09.500 --> 01:08:10.500
we lost a lot of finals.

2352
01:08:10.500 --> 01:08:12.500
That means we played a lot of finals.

2353
01:08:12.500 --> 01:08:14.500
That means we played all the games

2354
01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:15.500
until the end of the season,

2355
01:08:15.500 --> 01:08:17.500
which is a lot.

2356
01:08:17.500 --> 01:08:19.500
So there's no really time.

2357
01:08:19.500 --> 01:08:20.500
So we were to train

2358
01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:22.500
and really develop things.

2359
01:08:22.500 --> 01:08:24.500
So you have to use each little moment

2360
01:08:24.500 --> 01:08:27.500
to implement a specific idea

2361
01:08:27.500 --> 01:08:30.500
we all can buy into.

2362
01:08:30.500 --> 01:08:31.500
And that's what we did.

2363
01:08:31.500 --> 01:08:34.500
I lost our first game against Tottenham.

2364
01:08:34.500 --> 01:08:36.500
Simon Minule had to make

2365
01:08:36.500 --> 01:08:38.500
a good, really good saves,

2366
01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:39.500
but they had to do as well.

2367
01:08:39.500 --> 01:08:41.500
And that year Tottenham was really strong.

2368
01:08:41.500 --> 01:08:42.500
There became second behind Lester.

2369
01:08:42.500 --> 01:08:44.500
I think that was that season.

2370
01:08:44.500 --> 01:08:46.500
And that's a start.

2371
01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:48.500
What are those little ideas

2372
01:08:48.500 --> 01:08:49.500
that you would start

2373
01:08:49.500 --> 01:08:52.500
into implement one by one?

2374
01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:53.500
So many,

2375
01:08:53.500 --> 01:08:55.500
if you don't have time to change football,

2376
01:08:55.500 --> 01:08:56.500
you can have a tour.

2377
01:08:56.500 --> 01:08:58.500
You mean we are all not geniuses.

2378
01:08:58.500 --> 01:08:59.500
And we cannot go there

2379
01:08:59.500 --> 01:09:00.500
and show them a little bit possible here,

2380
01:09:00.500 --> 01:09:01.500
possible there.

2381
01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:03.500
And if you're possible back again,

2382
01:09:03.500 --> 01:09:04.500
you can shoot on your own

2383
01:09:04.500 --> 01:09:05.500
in front of the goal.

2384
01:09:05.500 --> 01:09:06.500
That doesn't work like that.

2385
01:09:06.500 --> 01:09:09.500
So I, I'm 100% convinced

2386
01:09:09.500 --> 01:09:11.500
if you have to make sure

2387
01:09:11.500 --> 01:09:12.500
that you are stable.

2388
01:09:12.500 --> 01:09:13.500
If you are stable,

2389
01:09:13.500 --> 01:09:15.500
that means that the other team,

2390
01:09:15.500 --> 01:09:16.500
whatever they try,

2391
01:09:16.500 --> 01:09:18.500
it's not easy for them to get through

2392
01:09:18.500 --> 01:09:20.500
and shoot just finish.

2393
01:09:20.500 --> 01:09:21.500
I don't like that.

2394
01:09:21.500 --> 01:09:23.500
So if you can avoid that, do it.

2395
01:09:23.500 --> 01:09:24.500
Because we are people,

2396
01:09:24.500 --> 01:09:26.500
but we are now realized a few times.

2397
01:09:26.500 --> 01:09:27.500
It's not easy.

2398
01:09:27.500 --> 01:09:29.500
If they have five, six chances

2399
01:09:29.500 --> 01:09:30.500
after each other,

2400
01:09:30.500 --> 01:09:32.500
opportunities after each other,

2401
01:09:32.500 --> 01:09:34.500
then it's like that you don't feel great.

2402
01:09:34.500 --> 01:09:36.500
Nobody plays to his best football

2403
01:09:36.500 --> 01:09:37.500
if each attack of the opponent

2404
01:09:37.500 --> 01:09:39.500
ends in the arms of your goalie.

2405
01:09:39.500 --> 01:09:40.500
That just doesn't work.

2406
01:09:40.500 --> 01:09:41.500
So how can we do that?

2407
01:09:41.500 --> 01:09:43.500
And stability is to organize a team

2408
01:09:44.500 --> 01:09:46.500
that's number one, two and three

2409
01:09:46.500 --> 01:09:47.500
on the to-do list

2410
01:09:47.500 --> 01:09:48.500
of a successful manager.

2411
01:09:48.500 --> 01:09:49.500
And that's what I did.

2412
01:09:49.500 --> 01:09:50.500
We organized.

2413
01:09:50.500 --> 01:09:52.500
And then we maybe told them

2414
01:09:52.500 --> 01:09:53.500
to run their socks off.

2415
01:09:53.500 --> 01:09:55.500
If people have to show,

2416
01:09:55.500 --> 01:09:56.500
you have to show the people

2417
01:09:56.500 --> 01:09:57.500
that you want to change something.

2418
01:09:57.500 --> 01:09:58.500
You have to show the people

2419
01:09:58.500 --> 01:09:59.500
that you want to achieve something.

2420
01:09:59.500 --> 01:10:00.500
How we can tell,

2421
01:10:00.500 --> 01:10:01.500
I can tell them.

2422
01:10:01.500 --> 01:10:02.500
But in the end,

2423
01:10:02.500 --> 01:10:03.500
you have to show them.

2424
01:10:03.500 --> 01:10:04.500
So run.

2425
01:10:04.500 --> 01:10:06.500
And they went for it.

2426
01:10:06.500 --> 01:10:07.500
I loved it so much.

2427
01:10:07.500 --> 01:10:08.500
They loved it so much.

2428
01:10:08.500 --> 01:10:09.500
It's easy. They all top fit.

2429
01:10:09.500 --> 01:10:10.500
They want to run.

2430
01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:11.500
So just show them

2431
01:10:11.500 --> 01:10:12.500
which direction and it goes.

2432
01:10:12.500 --> 01:10:14.500
And then we developed step-by-step

2433
01:10:14.500 --> 01:10:16.500
our own way of football.

2434
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:18.500
Broad players in step-by-step.

2435
01:10:18.500 --> 01:10:21.500
But we got stable pretty quickly.

2436
01:10:21.500 --> 01:10:22.500
Not as much as we wanted.

2437
01:10:22.500 --> 01:10:24.500
I think we became 678.

2438
01:10:24.500 --> 01:10:26.500
I don't even know for a season.

2439
01:10:26.500 --> 01:10:27.500
Two finals.

2440
01:10:27.500 --> 01:10:28.500
Great.

2441
01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:29.500
Lost both.

2442
01:10:29.500 --> 01:10:30.500
Not great.

2443
01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:33.500
But then we knew each other

2444
01:10:33.500 --> 01:10:35.500
and we loved working together

2445
01:10:35.500 --> 01:10:36.500
with this group,

2446
01:10:36.500 --> 01:10:38.500
brought in super players,

2447
01:10:38.500 --> 01:10:40.500
really super, super players,

2448
01:10:40.500 --> 01:10:42.500
super characters, super players.

2449
01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:44.500
And stick together.

2450
01:10:44.500 --> 01:10:45.500
And I mean,

2451
01:10:45.500 --> 01:10:46.500
what can you do?

2452
01:10:46.500 --> 01:10:47.500
We lost it.

2453
01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:50.500
We lost the European League final in Basel.

2454
01:10:50.500 --> 01:10:51.500
How it always is,

2455
01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:53.500
there's some party after the game.

2456
01:10:53.500 --> 01:10:55.500
So you cannot organize a party.

2457
01:10:55.500 --> 01:10:56.500
But you all know if you lose.

2458
01:10:56.500 --> 01:10:58.500
What's it going to the party?

2459
01:10:58.500 --> 01:11:00.500
So I was a new manager.

2460
01:11:00.500 --> 01:11:01.500
Yes.

2461
01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:02.500
Not that new anymore.

2462
01:11:02.500 --> 01:11:03.500
Seven, eight months.

2463
01:11:03.500 --> 01:11:04.500
You know, so.

2464
01:11:04.500 --> 01:11:06.500
And I realized some players are on the there.

2465
01:11:06.500 --> 01:11:07.500
But it wasn't a team hotel.

2466
01:11:07.500 --> 01:11:09.500
So I called them.

2467
01:11:09.500 --> 01:11:11.500
And told them all here.

2468
01:11:11.500 --> 01:11:12.500
Come on.

2469
01:11:12.500 --> 01:11:14.500
Come on.

2470
01:11:14.500 --> 01:11:16.500
I tell you what.

2471
01:11:16.500 --> 01:11:17.500
This was only the start.

2472
01:11:17.500 --> 01:11:19.500
We only are together in six months.

2473
01:11:19.500 --> 01:11:20.500
This is not the last final we played.

2474
01:11:20.500 --> 01:11:22.500
This is the first final we played.

2475
01:11:22.500 --> 01:11:23.500
Okay.

2476
01:11:23.500 --> 01:11:24.500
We lost.

2477
01:11:24.500 --> 01:11:25.500
It's not important.

2478
01:11:25.500 --> 01:11:26.500
The first international final.

2479
01:11:26.500 --> 01:11:27.500
We lost.

2480
01:11:27.500 --> 01:11:28.500
No problem.

2481
01:11:28.500 --> 01:11:29.500
We go again.

2482
01:11:29.500 --> 01:11:30.500
And they went on a dance floor.

2483
01:11:30.500 --> 01:11:32.500
It was a dance floor.

2484
01:11:32.500 --> 01:11:34.500
And they're all coming.

2485
01:11:34.500 --> 01:11:36.500
And we're saying we are level push.

2486
01:11:36.500 --> 01:11:41.500
But I mean, I had had a few parties after finals we lost.

2487
01:11:41.500 --> 01:11:49.500
And I always thought I don't waste time at all on not being happy about what we achieved over the whole year.

2488
01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:53.500
Because qualifying for a final is a real achievement.

2489
01:11:53.500 --> 01:11:56.500
Losing it is not great.

2490
01:11:56.500 --> 01:11:58.500
But until then everything was fine.

2491
01:11:58.500 --> 01:12:01.500
And I never accepted that we ignore the rest.

2492
01:12:01.500 --> 01:12:03.500
So we have a party.

2493
01:12:03.500 --> 01:12:08.500
And then we went on to achieve new things.

2494
01:12:08.500 --> 01:12:11.500
And we needed a bit of time obviously.

2495
01:12:11.500 --> 01:12:12.500
But it was okay.

2496
01:12:12.500 --> 01:12:19.500
And this goes back to the point earlier about controlling the mindset and the psychology after you lose to make sure that you don't get pressed.

2497
01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:23.500
If you don't learn from a defeat, it's a real defeat.

2498
01:12:23.500 --> 01:12:27.500
If you learn from it, it's just, it's a very, very important information.

2499
01:12:27.500 --> 01:12:30.500
And that's how I always understood it.

2500
01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:34.500
I had enough opportunities to learn really.

2501
01:12:34.500 --> 01:12:38.500
How I say, I lost more chemist league finals than most people play.

2502
01:12:38.500 --> 01:12:41.500
It's not a great thing to say.

2503
01:12:41.500 --> 01:12:43.500
It's the truth anyway.

2504
01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:46.500
You're known for what they call heavy metal football.

2505
01:12:46.500 --> 01:12:48.500
Yeah, but that's yeah.

2506
01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:50.500
Like that phrase.

2507
01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:52.500
And you know, I've had a lot of things.

2508
01:12:52.500 --> 01:12:57.500
But it's like, I said that joint, it was not in my mind that I thought,

2509
01:12:57.500 --> 01:12:59.500
I really want to play heavy metal football.

2510
01:12:59.500 --> 01:13:03.500
They asked me about Arzen Mowanger and the comparison.

2511
01:13:03.500 --> 01:13:05.500
And they did think we are similar in a way.

2512
01:13:05.500 --> 01:13:06.500
And I thought, what?

2513
01:13:06.500 --> 01:13:08.500
Arzen, I know.

2514
01:13:08.500 --> 01:13:09.500
So come on.

2515
01:13:09.500 --> 01:13:11.500
Don't be disrespectful to Arzen.

2516
01:13:11.500 --> 01:13:13.500
I'm a young, blah, blah, blah man from somewhere.

2517
01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:20.500
But if you want to compare us, then I'm not sure that's possible because Arzen's football is rather like an orchestra.

2518
01:13:20.500 --> 01:13:23.500
And my team plays a little bit more like a heavy metal band.

2519
01:13:23.500 --> 01:13:26.500
But that was the first statement I thought about my team.

2520
01:13:26.500 --> 01:13:28.500
I got a heavy metal band.

2521
01:13:28.500 --> 01:13:30.500
But it's true.

2522
01:13:30.500 --> 01:13:31.500
Yes, somehow.

2523
01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:32.500
It is true.

2524
01:13:32.500 --> 01:13:35.500
And I know that more than anyone is a Manchester United fan watching.

2525
01:13:35.500 --> 01:13:39.500
I'd hate playing your football teams because they ran so much.

2526
01:13:39.500 --> 01:13:40.500
They were so passionate.

2527
01:13:40.500 --> 01:13:41.500
They never let out.

2528
01:13:41.500 --> 01:13:43.500
They could always win in the last minute.

2529
01:13:43.500 --> 01:13:48.500
And the intensity was, you were just anxious as a football fan watching the games

2530
01:13:48.500 --> 01:13:51.500
because it was so full on.

2531
01:13:51.500 --> 01:13:53.500
And it was overwhelming emotionally.

2532
01:13:53.500 --> 01:13:59.500
And I remember through your era, sometimes you've been games by seven, you'd score seven goals, five goals.

2533
01:13:59.500 --> 01:14:02.500
Every week when I pull up my phone to check the scores, that week I'll live up all of score five again.

2534
01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:04.500
Oh, they scored seven again, they scored six again.

2535
01:14:04.500 --> 01:14:06.500
Sometimes you would concede three.

2536
01:14:06.500 --> 01:14:12.500
But it was crazy how high intensity the way you played football was.

2537
01:14:12.500 --> 01:14:15.500
Don't waste time with holding back.

2538
01:14:15.500 --> 01:14:17.500
I don't understand it.

2539
01:14:17.500 --> 01:14:18.500
We have nothing to do there.

2540
01:14:18.500 --> 01:14:21.500
90 minutes, 95 minutes, whatever.

2541
01:14:21.500 --> 01:14:22.500
I don't.

2542
01:14:22.500 --> 01:14:23.500
We had to learn.

2543
01:14:23.500 --> 01:14:28.500
I had to learn to manage games inside me until the last eight.

2544
01:14:28.500 --> 01:14:30.500
I was like, come on.

2545
01:14:30.500 --> 01:14:31.500
Come on.

2546
01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:32.500
Try.

2547
01:14:32.500 --> 01:14:36.500
But then I made it back and grow up and I got more matured stuff like this.

2548
01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:37.500
I was like, okay, come on.

2549
01:14:37.500 --> 01:14:38.500
Hold the ball.

2550
01:14:38.500 --> 01:14:39.500
Control the ball.

2551
01:14:39.500 --> 01:14:46.500
All the things you, at one point you do, you learn at any time on your journey.

2552
01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:47.500
And that's that's how it is.

2553
01:14:47.500 --> 01:14:51.500
And I loved the game so much and could play it not that good.

2554
01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:55.500
That I was so happy that I could work with these outstanding players.

2555
01:14:55.500 --> 01:14:56.500
I couldn't.

2556
01:14:56.500 --> 01:14:57.500
I loved it.

2557
01:14:57.500 --> 01:14:58.500
I enjoyed it so much.

2558
01:14:58.500 --> 01:14:59.500
Seeing them.

2559
01:14:59.500 --> 01:15:00.500
Doing what they're doing.

2560
01:15:00.500 --> 01:15:04.500
I was number one supporter of my team.

2561
01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:05.500
Teams.

2562
01:15:05.500 --> 01:15:06.500
Well, I was.

2563
01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:07.500
I love what they did.

2564
01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:09.500
So that's what I carried through the week.

2565
01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:10.500
I didn't tell them.

2566
01:15:10.500 --> 01:15:11.500
I told them.

2567
01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:13.500
I want to be your friend, but I cannot be your best friend.

2568
01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:15.500
Because I'm the one who tells you off very often.

2569
01:15:15.500 --> 01:15:16.500
And they'll tell you this is not right.

2570
01:15:16.500 --> 01:15:17.500
This is not right.

2571
01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:18.500
This is not right.

2572
01:15:18.500 --> 01:15:21.500
But the feeling, the general feeling was I love them.

2573
01:15:21.500 --> 01:15:24.500
In my mind, my ex players, I love them all.

2574
01:15:24.500 --> 01:15:27.500
And some of them don't love back.

2575
01:15:27.500 --> 01:15:30.500
Let me say like that probably for some reasons or whatever.

2576
01:15:30.500 --> 01:15:31.500
But that doesn't mean anything to me.

2577
01:15:31.500 --> 01:15:32.500
I love my clubs.

2578
01:15:32.500 --> 01:15:36.500
Do you think it's important how you win?

2579
01:15:36.500 --> 01:15:41.500
Because you know, this heavy metal high intensity for your win was great for fans.

2580
01:15:41.500 --> 01:15:44.500
They love watching 3, 4, 5, 6, 7.

2581
01:15:44.500 --> 01:15:45.500
They love watching that stuff.

2582
01:15:45.500 --> 01:15:46.500
Do you think that matters?

2583
01:15:46.500 --> 01:15:48.500
Or do you think it's just about getting the three points?

2584
01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:50.500
I just said we didn't been dead often.

2585
01:15:50.500 --> 01:15:51.500
5, 0, 7.

2586
01:15:51.500 --> 01:15:52.500
It felt like it.

2587
01:15:52.500 --> 01:15:53.500
It felt like every day.

2588
01:15:53.500 --> 01:15:55.500
And against United, we did.

2589
01:15:55.500 --> 01:15:56.500
Yeah.

2590
01:15:56.500 --> 01:15:59.500
Now, you can cut it out.

2591
01:15:59.500 --> 01:16:00.500
No.

2592
01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:02.500
It's, yeah, of course, important.

2593
01:16:02.500 --> 01:16:07.500
So if you have your backpack going to stadium as a player,

2594
01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:10.500
if you have boots and if you have a wear shirt,

2595
01:16:10.500 --> 01:16:12.500
don't waste time with anything then giving you all.

2596
01:16:12.500 --> 01:16:15.500
There's no guarantee to get anything.

2597
01:16:15.500 --> 01:16:17.500
But the only chance to get something.

2598
01:16:17.500 --> 01:16:20.500
So give you all the person till the last minute.

2599
01:16:20.500 --> 01:16:24.500
You have to understand this game is only that fun for us

2600
01:16:24.500 --> 01:16:26.500
because all the people are watching it.

2601
01:16:26.500 --> 01:16:27.500
That's why we earn money.

2602
01:16:27.500 --> 01:16:28.500
And I mean it.

2603
01:16:28.500 --> 01:16:29.500
I know that's what people want to hear.

2604
01:16:29.500 --> 01:16:31.500
But we earn money because everybody's interested in it.

2605
01:16:31.500 --> 01:16:33.500
Everybody wants to see it.

2606
01:16:33.500 --> 01:16:35.500
Knows about it, reads everything about it.

2607
01:16:35.500 --> 01:16:36.500
All these kinds of things.

2608
01:16:36.500 --> 01:16:38.500
And for that, with all the stories around,

2609
01:16:38.500 --> 01:16:42.500
the only thing we really have to deliver is

2610
01:16:42.500 --> 01:16:44.500
give you absolute all in a game like that.

2611
01:16:44.500 --> 01:16:45.500
Whatever.

2612
01:16:45.500 --> 01:16:47.500
Which ever game is there?

2613
01:16:47.500 --> 01:16:49.500
530, 230, 330.

2614
01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:51.500
Whenever the game starts, give you absolute all.

2615
01:16:51.500 --> 01:16:54.500
But why not just one nail and defense and boring

2616
01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:55.500
and pass it around?

2617
01:16:55.500 --> 01:16:56.500
And that happens.

2618
01:16:56.500 --> 01:16:57.500
That happens in games.

2619
01:16:57.500 --> 01:16:59.500
You realize, okay.

2620
01:16:59.500 --> 01:17:01.500
It's called to go about the days and the other days.

2621
01:17:01.500 --> 01:17:03.500
Come on, let's get it over the line.

2622
01:17:03.500 --> 01:17:04.500
That happens.

2623
01:17:04.500 --> 01:17:06.500
But it cannot be the target or the purpose for the next game again.

2624
01:17:07.500 --> 01:17:08.500
Let's do it like that.

2625
01:17:08.500 --> 01:17:13.500
Not for their clubs, if you own the only realistic target

2626
01:17:13.500 --> 01:17:15.500
is to stay in the league.

2627
01:17:15.500 --> 01:17:17.500
It's a wonderful result.

2628
01:17:17.500 --> 01:17:19.500
But we talk about a club like Liverpool.

2629
01:17:19.500 --> 01:17:23.500
We are bigger than that.

2630
01:17:23.500 --> 01:17:25.500
You have to win each football game.

2631
01:17:25.500 --> 01:17:27.500
When you are a manager of Liverpool.

2632
01:17:27.500 --> 01:17:29.500
That's what people, that's not that before the season,

2633
01:17:29.500 --> 01:17:33.500
anybody thinks, oh, 38 games.

2634
01:17:34.500 --> 01:17:36.500
More than 100.

2635
01:17:36.500 --> 01:17:37.500
Nobody had ever.

2636
01:17:37.500 --> 01:17:38.500
So it's not like that.

2637
01:17:38.500 --> 01:17:41.500
But still, each defeat and each draw is like,

2638
01:17:41.500 --> 01:17:43.500
how could it happen?

2639
01:17:43.500 --> 01:17:47.500
That's why you have to play in a specific way.

2640
01:17:47.500 --> 01:17:49.500
Not all clubs have the same things to do.

2641
01:17:49.500 --> 01:17:52.500
But the top clubs, they have to win all the games.

2642
01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:54.500
When you have the chance, you win them clear.

2643
01:17:54.500 --> 01:17:56.500
You have in them high, with the proper results,

2644
01:17:56.500 --> 01:17:57.500
stuff like this.

2645
01:17:57.500 --> 01:17:59.500
You have to make the people enjoy the football you play.

2646
01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:03.500
And I love to do that.

2647
01:18:03.500 --> 01:18:04.500
I loved it.

2648
01:18:04.500 --> 01:18:09.500
Honestly, it's like the games we played, the results we had

2649
01:18:09.500 --> 01:18:11.500
were just incredible.

2650
01:18:11.500 --> 01:18:12.500
It's just amazing.

2651
01:18:12.500 --> 01:18:13.500
Not all of them.

2652
01:18:13.500 --> 01:18:16.500
And I love the bonnills as much as I do all the others.

2653
01:18:16.500 --> 01:18:19.500
The Champions League final was the worst final of all the four.

2654
01:18:19.500 --> 01:18:21.500
My teams played.

2655
01:18:21.500 --> 01:18:22.500
But we won it.

2656
01:18:22.500 --> 01:18:24.500
Would I take, would I change?

2657
01:18:24.500 --> 01:18:25.500
Is that okay?

2658
01:18:25.500 --> 01:18:26.500
The other three as well.

2659
01:18:26.500 --> 01:18:28.500
The performance, the other games were really good.

2660
01:18:28.500 --> 01:18:29.500
But we lost.

2661
01:18:29.500 --> 01:18:30.500
Well, here we are.

2662
01:18:30.500 --> 01:18:31.500
It was not fantastic.

2663
01:18:31.500 --> 01:18:32.500
But we won.

2664
01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:33.500
All fine.

2665
01:18:33.500 --> 01:18:35.500
It's about the result.

2666
01:18:35.500 --> 01:18:38.500
But if you have a result and another result,

2667
01:18:38.500 --> 01:18:42.500
it has to lead to really good football at one point.

2668
01:18:42.500 --> 01:18:45.500
As good as possible for your specific team.

2669
01:18:45.500 --> 01:18:46.500
You want to stay in the league?

2670
01:18:46.500 --> 01:18:48.500
Do it with good football.

2671
01:18:48.500 --> 01:18:50.500
You want to qualify for Europe?

2672
01:18:50.500 --> 01:18:51.500
Do it with good football.

2673
01:18:51.500 --> 01:18:53.500
Because we are there for the people.

2674
01:18:53.500 --> 01:18:54.500
It's not there.

2675
01:18:54.500 --> 01:18:57.500
We just go home and the people think it's unwatchable.

2676
01:18:58.500 --> 01:19:00.500
I'm not trying to come next week again.

2677
01:19:00.500 --> 01:19:02.500
That's not fair.

2678
01:19:02.500 --> 01:19:03.500
Try to play.

2679
01:19:03.500 --> 01:19:05.500
The game is really cool games.

2680
01:19:05.500 --> 01:19:07.500
So let's make sure that everybody sees it.

2681
01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:09.500
And what is the Liverpool way?

2682
01:19:09.500 --> 01:19:12.500
What is inherent in when you come to Liverpool,

2683
01:19:12.500 --> 01:19:14.500
you are the manager or you are a player,

2684
01:19:14.500 --> 01:19:17.500
what is the thing that you have to do that specific to Liverpool

2685
01:19:17.500 --> 01:19:18.500
in order to be successful?

2686
01:19:18.500 --> 01:19:21.500
You have to understand the community and the community

2687
01:19:21.500 --> 01:19:24.500
just the city community and the bigger community around the world.

2688
01:19:24.500 --> 01:19:26.500
So many people in this club went through a lot,

2689
01:19:26.500 --> 01:19:29.500
not as the only club in the world.

2690
01:19:29.500 --> 01:19:31.500
But, come on, for that moment,

2691
01:19:31.500 --> 01:19:33.500
we just think about ourselves, went through a lot.

2692
01:19:33.500 --> 01:19:37.500
The reaction to these situations was always exceptional

2693
01:19:37.500 --> 01:19:39.500
to be 100% honest.

2694
01:19:39.500 --> 01:19:41.500
And that's what you have to understand,

2695
01:19:41.500 --> 01:19:42.500
what you have to learn.

2696
01:19:42.500 --> 01:19:46.500
This club means more to the people than just football.

2697
01:19:46.500 --> 01:19:51.500
And that's why what we do is more important

2698
01:19:51.500 --> 01:19:53.500
than it maybe is somewhere else.

2699
01:19:53.500 --> 01:19:57.500
That that's the responsibility we always took

2700
01:19:57.500 --> 01:20:00.500
and understood 100% our players understood.

2701
01:20:00.500 --> 01:20:03.500
To play for Liverpool is not just a club

2702
01:20:03.500 --> 01:20:05.500
where you played during your career.

2703
01:20:05.500 --> 01:20:10.500
It's the club and it's something you will definitely remember for life.

2704
01:20:10.500 --> 01:20:14.500
So we try to make sure that the boys understood.

2705
01:20:14.500 --> 01:20:18.500
If we give our absolute everything now,

2706
01:20:18.500 --> 01:20:21.500
we meet in 10, 15 years, look back,

2707
01:20:21.500 --> 01:20:24.500
and we think it was the best we could have done.

2708
01:20:24.500 --> 01:20:26.500
It's the absolute best we could have done.

2709
01:20:26.500 --> 01:20:29.500
I think that's how my view on life is as well.

2710
01:20:29.500 --> 01:20:33.500
Or the other side is just sorting the problem in front of you.

2711
01:20:33.500 --> 01:20:36.500
There's something we have to sort,

2712
01:20:36.500 --> 01:20:39.500
but when you sort, you think about what's the effect for the rest.

2713
01:20:39.500 --> 01:20:44.500
And that's what some people, some clubs maybe don't want to see

2714
01:20:44.500 --> 01:20:48.500
because the pressure is too big just to make sure,

2715
01:20:48.500 --> 01:20:51.500
okay, tomorrow at least they will not write.

2716
01:20:51.500 --> 01:20:53.500
We have no clue.

2717
01:20:53.500 --> 01:20:55.500
Tomorrow at least they will say they found a solution.

2718
01:20:55.500 --> 01:21:00.500
And then we can think about the next day or whatever.

2719
01:21:00.500 --> 01:21:04.500
How does someone succeed you?

2720
01:21:04.500 --> 01:21:06.500
Because you have such a big aura.

2721
01:21:06.500 --> 01:21:08.500
Are you aware that you have a big aura?

2722
01:21:08.500 --> 01:21:11.500
I don't know if anybody has the awareness of that.

2723
01:21:11.500 --> 01:21:15.500
I heard about it, but they don't know what it means.

2724
01:21:15.500 --> 01:21:17.500
What 100% to be honest.

2725
01:21:17.500 --> 01:21:18.500
You receive with other people.

2726
01:21:18.500 --> 01:21:20.500
In energy when you arrive, it's the passion,

2727
01:21:20.500 --> 01:21:23.500
it's the ability to talk, it's the ability to inspire people.

2728
01:21:23.500 --> 01:21:26.500
It has an impact on the rival team you're playing

2729
01:21:26.500 --> 01:21:31.500
because they go clubs here and big personality, big charisma.

2730
01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:33.500
So Arnie slot coming in after you.

2731
01:21:33.500 --> 01:21:38.500
He doesn't appear to be as have the same size of an aura.

2732
01:21:38.500 --> 01:21:43.500
And I don't know, I just think big shoes to fill

2733
01:21:43.500 --> 01:21:45.500
in terms of your aura.

2734
01:21:45.500 --> 01:21:48.500
I have to go to a toilet.

2735
01:21:48.500 --> 01:21:51.500
Arnie, okay.

2736
01:21:51.500 --> 01:21:54.500
Okay.

2737
01:21:54.500 --> 01:21:56.500
That's good.

2738
01:21:56.500 --> 01:21:58.500
Big shoes.

2739
01:21:58.500 --> 01:21:59.500
Big shoes.

2740
01:21:59.500 --> 01:22:02.500
I would not want to fill such shoes.

2741
01:22:02.500 --> 01:22:05.500
A couple of things, first and foremost,

2742
01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:11.500
I thought I have to say what I had to say

2743
01:22:11.500 --> 01:22:15.500
when I've been announced my exit, if you want,

2744
01:22:15.500 --> 01:22:18.500
my retirement, very well called it.

2745
01:22:18.500 --> 01:22:21.500
At the time, people judge that wrong woman,

2746
01:22:21.500 --> 01:22:23.500
blah, blah, blah, whatever.

2747
01:22:23.500 --> 01:22:24.500
It cannot change that.

2748
01:22:24.500 --> 01:22:26.500
The first find, the feeling was I have to say that

2749
01:22:26.500 --> 01:22:29.500
then you have to finish the season as good as somehow possible

2750
01:22:29.500 --> 01:22:30.500
in idol world.

2751
01:22:30.500 --> 01:22:33.500
You win something, we couldn't do that for whatever reason.

2752
01:22:33.500 --> 01:22:36.500
And then you have to make sure, because that's still something you have to do,

2753
01:22:36.500 --> 01:22:42.500
you have to try to make it as easy as somehow possible

2754
01:22:42.500 --> 01:22:44.500
for the guy who's coming after you.

2755
01:22:44.500 --> 01:22:46.500
That's what I tried as well.

2756
01:22:46.500 --> 01:22:52.500
Because I wanted them all to do incredibly well.

2757
01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:55.500
And I also thought if somebody is not doing it that way,

2758
01:22:55.500 --> 01:23:01.500
it's the first hint you can get that,

2759
01:23:01.500 --> 01:23:04.500
maybe he wants the next guy not to do it.

2760
01:23:04.500 --> 01:23:07.500
Well, there is shouting, oh my God, he did that, he did that, he did that.

2761
01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:09.500
And I don't need that.

2762
01:23:09.500 --> 01:23:11.500
I want Liverpool to do well.

2763
01:23:11.500 --> 01:23:14.500
I want Liverpool to win what they did.

2764
01:23:14.500 --> 01:23:16.500
So I would have liked a lot about Arnett.

2765
01:23:16.500 --> 01:23:17.500
Arnett didn't hesitate.

2766
01:23:17.500 --> 01:23:19.500
But you said, no, I don't want to go on these shoes.

2767
01:23:19.500 --> 01:23:20.500
Arnett didn't have that problem.

2768
01:23:20.500 --> 01:23:23.500
He thought, okay, that's a great club, that's a great team.

2769
01:23:23.500 --> 01:23:26.500
And he's right, it was a fantastic club,

2770
01:23:26.500 --> 01:23:28.500
and it's a fantastic team.

2771
01:23:28.500 --> 01:23:29.500
He stepped into that.

2772
01:23:29.500 --> 01:23:31.500
We had a lot of contact after that.

2773
01:23:31.500 --> 01:23:36.500
He was super, he's a super, super good guy.

2774
01:23:36.500 --> 01:23:40.500
And with him, I got what the team, wow.

2775
01:23:40.500 --> 01:23:42.500
Thanks a lot, blah, blah, blah, all these kinds of things.

2776
01:23:42.500 --> 01:23:46.500
And he made the best, he got the best out of this team

2777
01:23:46.500 --> 01:23:50.500
and they became champion in an incredible manner, to be honest.

2778
01:23:50.500 --> 01:23:52.500
So, and I'm really, really happy about that.

2779
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:55.500
So that's all, that's all.

2780
01:23:55.500 --> 01:23:58.500
It all about the shows again, it's all about how you see it.

2781
01:23:58.500 --> 01:24:03.500
You can see you step into my footsteps, how you said called it.

2782
01:24:03.500 --> 01:24:05.500
Or you take over a fantastic football team.

2783
01:24:05.500 --> 01:24:08.500
It was a brilliant, I mean, my best friend's Liverpool fan,

2784
01:24:08.500 --> 01:24:11.500
and he said, before you left, actually, he said,

2785
01:24:11.500 --> 01:24:14.500
this is the best squad Liverpool have ever had.

2786
01:24:14.500 --> 01:24:17.500
Arnett has inherited that squad, which is considered to be the best squad

2787
01:24:17.500 --> 01:24:20.500
by many people that Liverpool have ever had.

2788
01:24:20.500 --> 01:24:23.500
And in that first year, didn't really change much.

2789
01:24:23.500 --> 01:24:25.500
There wasn't really, there wasn't any big signings come in.

2790
01:24:25.500 --> 01:24:28.500
I actually heard from one of the players in Liverpool that,

2791
01:24:28.500 --> 01:24:31.500
they say, to a really good friend of mine,

2792
01:24:31.500 --> 01:24:34.500
that the best thing Arnie had done was actually in that first year,

2793
01:24:34.500 --> 01:24:38.500
don't change much, don't come in and try and radically change things.

2794
01:24:38.500 --> 01:24:40.500
That's what Arnett's lot would say himself.

2795
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:42.500
Probably, I think he said it.

2796
01:24:42.500 --> 01:24:43.500
It's super smart.

2797
01:24:43.500 --> 01:24:46.500
So it's not about what Arnett wants to show the world what he can do.

2798
01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:48.500
It's about how to get the best out of this team.

2799
01:24:48.500 --> 01:24:50.500
And that's exactly what he did.

2800
01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:53.500
Not changing much means he changed a little bit.

2801
01:24:53.500 --> 01:24:55.500
We became 30 years before.

2802
01:24:55.500 --> 01:24:57.500
So there's not a lot you have to change.

2803
01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:00.500
But a few decisive things you have to change.

2804
01:25:00.500 --> 01:25:03.500
And all of a sudden, you win the league by some distance.

2805
01:25:03.500 --> 01:25:04.500
So that's what it is.

2806
01:25:04.500 --> 01:25:10.500
Not that he has to put his new own stamp this team was good in a lot of ways.

2807
01:25:10.500 --> 01:25:13.500
But we didn't win the year before.

2808
01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:16.500
And that's what his job was.

2809
01:25:16.500 --> 01:25:19.500
And he did that in an incredible, impressive manner.

2810
01:25:19.500 --> 01:25:22.500
So, and that's all you want.

2811
01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:28.500
And you need people who have the confidence to do these kind of things.

2812
01:25:28.500 --> 01:25:36.500
Because it doesn't make sense if you have a manager who is not 100% sure about the things he wants to do.

2813
01:25:36.500 --> 01:25:38.500
And I want us to play like this.

2814
01:25:38.500 --> 01:25:41.500
Or if that's impossible, I want to play like this.

2815
01:25:41.500 --> 01:25:44.500
Or I want to, but maybe completely different.

2816
01:25:44.500 --> 01:25:45.500
That doesn't work.

2817
01:25:45.500 --> 01:25:48.500
Being a football manager is already a challenge.

2818
01:25:48.500 --> 01:25:51.500
Because all the different things you have to do.

2819
01:25:51.500 --> 01:25:58.500
Being a football manager in such a competitive league like the Premier League is a real challenge.

2820
01:25:58.500 --> 01:26:04.500
Being a football manager in the world we are living in with media, social media and all these kind of things.

2821
01:26:04.500 --> 01:26:06.500
It's an incredible challenge.

2822
01:26:06.500 --> 01:26:12.500
Believe me, you have no clue what's coming up the next day.

2823
01:26:12.500 --> 01:26:15.500
You think, oh my God, where's that coming from?

2824
01:26:15.500 --> 01:26:16.500
Who was that?

2825
01:26:16.500 --> 01:26:17.500
Oh, my player.

2826
01:26:17.500 --> 01:26:22.500
You'll read the story, whatever, and all of a sudden, you think.

2827
01:26:22.500 --> 01:26:27.500
From a problem, it turns into you a problem and a win.

2828
01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:30.500
So, sort that and all the rest as well.

2829
01:26:30.500 --> 01:26:31.500
So, you need this kind of thing.

2830
01:26:31.500 --> 01:26:35.500
I love that about Arnold as he came in and took over.

2831
01:26:35.500 --> 01:26:39.500
And he knew he got a good team, yes, it was.

2832
01:26:39.500 --> 01:26:41.500
And did a perfect job.

2833
01:26:41.500 --> 01:26:46.500
I mean, in terms of making changes this year, you live up all of Spen, what?

2834
01:26:46.500 --> 01:26:49.500
450 odd million, which is a crazy number.

2835
01:26:49.500 --> 01:26:57.500
I think he broke in the transfer record in various positions several times with words and with EZAC now as well.

2836
01:26:57.500 --> 01:26:59.500
So, change has arrived.

2837
01:26:59.500 --> 01:27:04.500
These are new people that are coming in with their own ideologies from their previous clubs.

2838
01:27:04.500 --> 01:27:07.500
They've all arrived at once, a lot of new faces at once.

2839
01:27:07.500 --> 01:27:09.500
Is this not now where the challenge begins?

2840
01:27:09.500 --> 01:27:13.500
Because this is going to become only his team now.

2841
01:27:13.500 --> 01:27:14.500
Yeah, but that's not a problem.

2842
01:27:14.500 --> 01:27:16.500
It's just completely normal.

2843
01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:18.500
That doesn't mean exactly today.

2844
01:27:18.500 --> 01:27:19.500
There's a lot of change.

2845
01:27:19.500 --> 01:27:26.500
I mean, no team, by the way, it's 450 odd, but I don't know the exact numbers,

2846
01:27:26.500 --> 01:27:30.500
but they earned a lot of money as well.

2847
01:27:30.500 --> 01:27:33.500
And change always has an impact and change always needs time.

2848
01:27:33.500 --> 01:27:36.500
But people talk then about this.

2849
01:27:36.500 --> 01:27:38.500
If, no, that's not like that.

2850
01:27:38.500 --> 01:27:40.500
He keeps his exactly same team like us.

2851
01:27:40.500 --> 01:27:42.500
Yeah, Darwin, you're still there.

2852
01:27:42.500 --> 01:27:44.500
Luis Diaz is still there as an example.

2853
01:27:44.500 --> 01:27:46.500
So, they start playing and they'll have problems.

2854
01:27:46.500 --> 01:27:49.500
So, yeah, we need a change.

2855
01:27:49.500 --> 01:27:50.500
So, now they're not there anymore.

2856
01:27:50.500 --> 01:27:53.500
The new guys are there and they're really, really good players.

2857
01:27:53.500 --> 01:27:54.500
It's not working out.

2858
01:27:54.500 --> 01:27:55.500
I mean, yeah, why?

2859
01:27:55.500 --> 01:27:56.500
Why is it working out?

2860
01:27:56.500 --> 01:27:59.500
Because development needs time.

2861
01:27:59.500 --> 01:28:00.500
Then nobody can change that.

2862
01:28:00.500 --> 01:28:06.500
And people need to find, need to adapt to situation, need to adapt to things and all these kind of things.

2863
01:28:06.500 --> 01:28:07.500
So, it's all good.

2864
01:28:07.500 --> 01:28:08.500
It's all in place.

2865
01:28:08.500 --> 01:28:13.500
What you have at Liverpool this year has to be in the competition in the decisive moments.

2866
01:28:13.500 --> 01:28:16.500
And then they have to be ready to go for it.

2867
01:28:16.500 --> 01:28:19.500
And there's no guarantee that you then will win it again.

2868
01:28:19.500 --> 01:28:22.500
That doesn't happen just like this.

2869
01:28:22.500 --> 01:28:25.500
You cannot be championed, spend money and be championed again.

2870
01:28:25.500 --> 01:28:27.500
The other teams don't sleep.

2871
01:28:28.500 --> 01:28:29.500
That's how it is.

2872
01:28:29.500 --> 01:28:32.500
And to become champion, you need luck in moments here and there.

2873
01:28:32.500 --> 01:28:33.500
That's how it is.

2874
01:28:33.500 --> 01:28:34.500
Nobody wants to hear that.

2875
01:28:34.500 --> 01:28:38.500
But crossbar, over the line, not over the line, all these kind of things.

2876
01:28:38.500 --> 01:28:41.500
It can go in your direction or in the other direction.

2877
01:28:41.500 --> 01:28:42.500
So, it's all fine.

2878
01:28:42.500 --> 01:28:46.500
And we discuss the situation now like it's a struggle.

2879
01:28:46.500 --> 01:28:47.500
It's a price.

2880
01:28:47.500 --> 01:28:48.500
Yeah.

2881
01:28:48.500 --> 01:28:51.500
We take the money and throw it against them.

2882
01:28:51.500 --> 01:28:52.500
450 million.

2883
01:28:52.500 --> 01:28:54.500
Yeah, but they earned 200 million as well.

2884
01:28:54.500 --> 01:29:00.500
So, it's all fine if you're with Liverpool and only these people are really.

2885
01:29:00.500 --> 01:29:03.500
There's only only people who matter if you are with Liverpool.

2886
01:29:03.500 --> 01:29:04.500
Yeah.

2887
01:29:04.500 --> 01:29:09.500
You trust them and they do the right, they did the right stuff, they do the right things.

2888
01:29:09.500 --> 01:29:13.500
So, work on it and become the best football team this team can be.

2889
01:29:13.500 --> 01:29:17.500
You never had a transfer window like that where you spent that much money in.

2890
01:29:17.500 --> 01:29:20.500
No, we built three stands and a training ground.

2891
01:29:20.500 --> 01:29:21.500
Yeah.

2892
01:29:21.500 --> 01:29:22.500
Exactly.

2893
01:29:22.500 --> 01:29:25.500
And you remember the press conference, I think, when you were referring to city's ability

2894
01:29:25.500 --> 01:29:29.500
to spend money, I had no clue that it is as possible.

2895
01:29:29.500 --> 01:29:34.500
Nobody, nobody ever told me that it's possible that we can, that we can spend like that.

2896
01:29:34.500 --> 01:29:38.500
My last year Liverpool, so we obviously.

2897
01:29:38.500 --> 01:29:41.500
So, they added us to the new stadium, all these kind of things.

2898
01:29:41.500 --> 01:29:42.500
Yeah, there are more money.

2899
01:29:42.500 --> 01:29:46.500
But it was never, never, ever I could have asked for the amount of money.

2900
01:29:46.500 --> 01:29:51.500
But that's not a problem, that time, it was not there, no problem at all.

2901
01:29:51.500 --> 01:29:52.500
Really not.

2902
01:29:52.500 --> 01:30:02.500
And I loved the fact that we were as successful as we were and built new stands and build

2903
01:30:02.500 --> 01:30:07.500
the training ground because we talk now about a transfer window in the way you want to talk

2904
01:30:07.500 --> 01:30:10.500
about it, spend a lot of money.

2905
01:30:10.500 --> 01:30:14.500
But there's no discussion about the stands and no discussion about the training ground.

2906
01:30:14.500 --> 01:30:18.500
A second to none, the training ground, the stands are wonderful.

2907
01:30:18.500 --> 01:30:24.500
So, and at the same place where Enfield is, they could build pretty much a new stadium without

2908
01:30:24.500 --> 01:30:25.500
leaving the old one.

2909
01:30:25.500 --> 01:30:28.500
So, that's a fantastic story and that will stay forever.

2910
01:30:28.500 --> 01:30:34.500
Maybe at one point, they decide the cup could be even for more people or whatever.

2911
01:30:34.500 --> 01:30:37.500
I don't know if that ever will happen, but you could do stuff there.

2912
01:30:37.500 --> 01:30:39.500
And that's what I love about this.

2913
01:30:39.500 --> 01:30:43.500
I think I really want as much as I can.

2914
01:30:43.500 --> 01:30:48.500
It's not my first target because I have to win football games with my team, but I want

2915
01:30:48.500 --> 01:30:53.500
that a club benefits from the time we were together after we left.

2916
01:30:53.500 --> 01:30:54.500
I want that.

2917
01:30:54.500 --> 01:30:58.500
This might be a quite a naive observation, but in the time when you were at Liverpool, my assessment

2918
01:30:58.500 --> 01:31:03.500
and Liverpool was you never, you didn't necessarily have the world's most famous starting

2919
01:31:03.500 --> 01:31:07.500
11 team, but you could be anybody.

2920
01:31:07.500 --> 01:31:11.500
So, you know, when you brought in Milner, who was it city before and when you brought in

2921
01:31:11.500 --> 01:31:15.500
these other players, I would say, I'd be like, why are they signing him?

2922
01:31:15.500 --> 01:31:19.500
He's not, but then when they'd play for Liverpool, they would be unbelievable players

2923
01:31:19.500 --> 01:31:20.500
and you could be anybody.

2924
01:31:20.500 --> 01:31:24.500
So, there was almost this culture at Liverpool, which I observed, where you didn't

2925
01:31:24.500 --> 01:31:28.500
necessarily go for the galactico players you weren't trying to get Ronaldo and Messi.

2926
01:31:28.500 --> 01:31:34.500
You were going for sort of these players that had character in a culture fit, and ultimately

2927
01:31:34.500 --> 01:31:38.500
that meant that at times it looked like you were playing with 12 men.

2928
01:31:38.500 --> 01:31:44.500
And so, this transfer window that I've just observed, where you have gone for the very,

2929
01:31:44.500 --> 01:31:48.500
very best names, you know, some of the best players on Planet Earth, that were number one choices

2930
01:31:48.500 --> 01:31:51.500
for Real Madrid and the big clubs on Earth.

2931
01:31:51.500 --> 01:31:53.500
I almost don't recognise Liverpool.

2932
01:31:53.500 --> 01:31:55.500
It moving like that in a window.

2933
01:31:55.500 --> 01:32:00.500
There's part of me that I'm hoping that this is their foul-cali, the Maria

2934
01:32:00.500 --> 01:32:03.500
moment, Ronaldo moment, where they were, they were big players, but they didn't think

2935
01:32:03.500 --> 01:32:04.500
of culture.

2936
01:32:04.500 --> 01:32:05.500
I'm praying.

2937
01:32:05.500 --> 01:32:06.500
Yeah.

2938
01:32:06.500 --> 01:32:07.500
You wish.

2939
01:32:07.500 --> 01:32:08.500
I wish.

2940
01:32:08.500 --> 01:32:10.500
That's a difference.

2941
01:32:10.500 --> 01:32:11.500
You wish.

2942
01:32:11.500 --> 01:32:13.500
Yeah, I guess so.

2943
01:32:13.500 --> 01:32:15.500
Incredible striker.

2944
01:32:15.500 --> 01:32:16.500
Incredible striker.

2945
01:32:16.500 --> 01:32:18.500
Florever, it's your oval.

2946
01:32:18.500 --> 01:32:19.500
It's your word.

2947
01:32:19.500 --> 01:32:20.500
If you have the wrong word.

2948
01:32:20.500 --> 01:32:21.500
Use the wrong word.

2949
01:32:21.500 --> 01:32:22.500
Incredible talent.

2950
01:32:22.500 --> 01:32:25.500
And etiquette, they're incredible player.

2951
01:32:25.500 --> 01:32:28.500
Yeah, just offensive players.

2952
01:32:28.500 --> 01:32:31.500
It's a really, really, really good.

2953
01:32:31.500 --> 01:32:34.500
Well, you're squat.

2954
01:32:34.500 --> 01:32:39.500
If the young centre-half is not getting injured, it's a perfect squat.

2955
01:32:39.500 --> 01:32:41.500
Now, he's injured, that doesn't help.

2956
01:32:41.500 --> 01:32:44.500
Then you might be a bit sure to understand the opposition besides that.

2957
01:32:44.500 --> 01:32:45.500
It's a perfect squat.

2958
01:32:45.500 --> 01:32:48.500
Two super left-backs, really, super right-back.

2959
01:32:48.500 --> 01:32:50.500
So, it's just a really good football.

2960
01:32:50.500 --> 01:32:51.500
That's how you set a team up.

2961
01:32:51.500 --> 01:32:53.500
And now, you have to deal with the situation.

2962
01:32:53.500 --> 01:32:56.500
They all think they have to start the game, but that's a normal job.

2963
01:32:56.500 --> 01:32:58.500
It's not that difficult over.

2964
01:32:58.500 --> 01:32:59.500
That's the normal job.

2965
01:32:59.500 --> 01:33:01.500
You have this discussion, who will start?

2966
01:33:01.500 --> 01:33:03.500
We go to in a third week.

2967
01:33:03.500 --> 01:33:06.500
One is injured and you are happy that the other can start.

2968
01:33:06.500 --> 01:33:08.500
So, that's the world.

2969
01:33:08.500 --> 01:33:11.500
Football manager is living in.

2970
01:33:11.500 --> 01:33:16.500
We don't have to worry about what's that.

2971
01:33:16.500 --> 01:33:18.500
We're really interested.

2972
01:33:18.500 --> 01:33:20.500
So, you don't have to worry about Liverpool.

2973
01:33:20.500 --> 01:33:21.500
They will be fine.

2974
01:33:21.500 --> 01:33:27.500
This was just the next spend graph of the different clubs.

2975
01:33:27.500 --> 01:33:29.500
Well, you were there.

2976
01:33:29.500 --> 01:33:35.500
And it's quite clear that you weren't spending the same as your rivals during your time.

2977
01:33:35.500 --> 01:33:39.500
And a lot of the fans in the media speculated that the only family sports group

2978
01:33:39.500 --> 01:33:41.500
just weren't giving you the money.

2979
01:33:41.500 --> 01:33:43.500
But you were still getting the results, which is pretty...

2980
01:33:43.500 --> 01:33:44.500
No, no, no.

2981
01:33:44.500 --> 01:33:45.500
So, yeah.

2982
01:33:45.500 --> 01:33:49.500
What's the public perception that I didn't ask for the money.

2983
01:33:49.500 --> 01:33:50.500
It's probably not right.

2984
01:33:50.500 --> 01:33:56.500
I probably had just conversations, but I didn't ask in a way if you don't get it.

2985
01:33:56.500 --> 01:33:57.500
We can do it.

2986
01:33:57.500 --> 01:34:03.500
It's not my job to think about how much we can squeeze out of whatever area.

2987
01:34:03.500 --> 01:34:06.500
I felt massively respond.

2988
01:34:06.500 --> 01:34:12.500
My idea was always with the boys we have.

2989
01:34:12.500 --> 01:34:15.500
Become the best team you can be.

2990
01:34:15.500 --> 01:34:19.500
And you arrived and you said we were maybe not the best team.

2991
01:34:19.500 --> 01:34:24.500
I think it was a period when football you could have thought

2992
01:34:24.500 --> 01:34:27.500
that's maybe the best played by the best team.

2993
01:34:27.500 --> 01:34:29.500
I don't know exactly between 18 and 20.

2994
01:34:29.500 --> 01:34:32.500
There was a bit of long spell.

2995
01:34:32.500 --> 01:34:34.500
But we always.

2996
01:34:34.500 --> 01:34:36.500
And it was the idea.

2997
01:34:36.500 --> 01:34:39.500
We always were able to beat the best team.

2998
01:34:39.500 --> 01:34:40.500
It was the idea.

2999
01:34:40.500 --> 01:34:43.500
Because that's a constant thing.

3000
01:34:43.500 --> 01:34:45.500
The next best, the next best, we can beat you.

3001
01:34:45.500 --> 01:34:46.500
We can beat you.

3002
01:34:46.500 --> 01:34:47.500
Be the best.

3003
01:34:47.500 --> 01:34:48.500
You know, you're the one.

3004
01:34:48.500 --> 01:34:49.500
Everybody wants to beat.

3005
01:34:49.500 --> 01:34:50.500
I love that.

3006
01:34:50.500 --> 01:34:52.500
That's net spend and stuff like this.

3007
01:34:52.500 --> 01:34:53.500
I was never too worried about.

3008
01:34:53.500 --> 01:34:55.500
We had all these conversations.

3009
01:34:55.500 --> 01:34:56.500
Yeah.

3010
01:34:56.500 --> 01:34:58.500
I was happy with how it was.

3011
01:34:58.500 --> 01:35:00.500
I couldn't have discussions with people.

3012
01:35:00.500 --> 01:35:02.500
No, I cannot decide how much money we spend.

3013
01:35:02.500 --> 01:35:03.500
It's not just impossible.

3014
01:35:03.500 --> 01:35:05.500
I'm a slot cannot decide how much money Liverpool spend.

3015
01:35:05.500 --> 01:35:06.500
That's how it is.

3016
01:35:06.500 --> 01:35:08.500
There are other people who decide that.

3017
01:35:08.500 --> 01:35:11.500
And if you have the money, then you spend for really good players.

3018
01:35:11.500 --> 01:35:13.500
What Liverpool did this year.

3019
01:35:13.500 --> 01:35:14.500
And I think it was.

3020
01:35:14.500 --> 01:35:16.500
It was the right thing to do.

3021
01:35:16.500 --> 01:35:19.500
And I'm pretty sure.

3022
01:35:19.500 --> 01:35:21.500
One specific moment.

3023
01:35:21.500 --> 01:35:24.500
Change the whole transfer window.

3024
01:35:24.500 --> 01:35:30.500
That was the saddest day of last year.

3025
01:35:30.500 --> 01:35:33.500
And how do you.

3026
01:35:33.500 --> 01:35:35.500
How do you.

3027
01:35:35.500 --> 01:35:37.500
Replace.

3028
01:35:37.500 --> 01:35:39.500
Somebody like Djogo.

3029
01:35:39.500 --> 01:35:41.500
It's not about the player itself.

3030
01:35:41.500 --> 01:35:49.500
It's about the guy he was.

3031
01:35:49.500 --> 01:35:50.500
Even if it was good.

3032
01:35:50.500 --> 01:35:51.500
It's absolutely everybody.

3033
01:35:51.500 --> 01:35:53.500
Absolutely everybody.

3034
01:35:53.500 --> 01:35:54.500
His.

3035
01:35:54.500 --> 01:35:55.500
He arrived.

3036
01:35:55.500 --> 01:35:56.500
He had no real.

3037
01:35:56.500 --> 01:35:59.500
I think he was a bit surprised that we approached him.

3038
01:35:59.500 --> 01:36:00.500
That we asked for him.

3039
01:36:00.500 --> 01:36:01.500
And he came.

3040
01:36:01.500 --> 01:36:03.500
He delivered from day one.

3041
01:36:03.500 --> 01:36:07.500
I remember still when I saw him the first time playing for wolves.

3042
01:36:07.500 --> 01:36:08.500
Who.

3043
01:36:08.500 --> 01:36:09.500
What's that?

3044
01:36:09.500 --> 01:36:10.500
When I went to the...

3045
01:36:10.500 --> 01:36:12.500
You always hear these stories when people tell me.

3046
01:36:12.500 --> 01:36:15.500
And it's true that Mo Salad had to convince me and stuff.

3047
01:36:15.500 --> 01:36:17.500
Like it's not convinced that I'd take him.

3048
01:36:17.500 --> 01:36:19.500
But it was like there were other players as well.

3049
01:36:19.500 --> 01:36:21.500
And Mo was one of the others.

3050
01:36:21.500 --> 01:36:23.500
And we decided all together for more.

3051
01:36:23.500 --> 01:36:24.500
But it's fine.

3052
01:36:24.500 --> 01:36:26.500
But this nobody came to me and told me.

3053
01:36:26.500 --> 01:36:27.500
Come on.

3054
01:36:27.500 --> 01:36:29.500
Let's have a look at Djogo Jota.

3055
01:36:29.500 --> 01:36:30.500
I saw him.

3056
01:36:30.500 --> 01:36:31.500
And I said, please.

3057
01:36:31.500 --> 01:36:32.500
Give me more material.

3058
01:36:32.500 --> 01:36:33.500
I have to see him.

3059
01:36:33.500 --> 01:36:34.500
And that's.

3060
01:36:34.500 --> 01:36:35.500
And he.

3061
01:36:35.500 --> 01:36:36.500
He.

3062
01:36:36.500 --> 01:36:38.500
He excelled all the expectations as a guy.

3063
01:36:38.500 --> 01:36:39.500
Super smart.

3064
01:36:39.500 --> 01:36:40.500
Super.

3065
01:36:40.500 --> 01:36:41.500
Super teammate.

3066
01:36:41.500 --> 01:36:42.500
And now.

3067
01:36:42.500 --> 01:36:44.500
He sits in a dressing room.

3068
01:36:44.500 --> 01:36:48.500
And I cannot imagine right now the dressing room without him being there.

3069
01:36:48.500 --> 01:36:49.500
That's as.

3070
01:36:49.500 --> 01:36:50.500
So hard.

3071
01:36:50.500 --> 01:36:51.500
It's so hard.

3072
01:36:51.500 --> 01:36:53.500
I still cannot speak properly about it.

3073
01:36:53.500 --> 01:36:54.500
It's.

3074
01:36:54.500 --> 01:36:55.500
It's really like that.

3075
01:36:55.500 --> 01:36:56.500
It was an incredible.

3076
01:36:57.500 --> 01:36:59.500
And that's for the boys as well.

3077
01:36:59.500 --> 01:37:00.500
And I don't.

3078
01:37:00.500 --> 01:37:05.500
We could think we don't speak about it because otherwise some bad journalists make a story of it.

3079
01:37:05.500 --> 01:37:08.500
But I said about him and how it what it means.

3080
01:37:08.500 --> 01:37:11.500
Nobody at Liverpool will ever use it as an excuse.

3081
01:37:11.500 --> 01:37:12.500
But.

3082
01:37:12.500 --> 01:37:14.500
It is the situation.

3083
01:37:14.500 --> 01:37:18.500
You walk every day in this room where he was omnipresent.

3084
01:37:18.500 --> 01:37:20.500
He was.

3085
01:37:20.500 --> 01:37:22.500
Can you imagine?

3086
01:37:22.500 --> 01:37:24.500
To talk about him.

3087
01:37:24.500 --> 01:37:25.500
He was.

3088
01:37:25.500 --> 01:37:27.500
So close with James Milner.

3089
01:37:27.500 --> 01:37:28.500
They're not the same age group.

3090
01:37:28.500 --> 01:37:29.500
They're nothing the same.

3091
01:37:29.500 --> 01:37:32.500
It's just he was so bad on the other side very close with Costa Stimicas.

3092
01:37:32.500 --> 01:37:35.500
That's like mountain mountain moon and Mars.

3093
01:37:35.500 --> 01:37:37.500
So that's.

3094
01:37:37.500 --> 01:37:38.500
There was him.

3095
01:37:38.500 --> 01:37:40.500
And dealing with that.

3096
01:37:40.500 --> 01:37:42.500
As a person on a personal level.

3097
01:37:42.500 --> 01:37:43.500
Not easy.

3098
01:37:43.500 --> 01:37:44.500
Impossible.

3099
01:37:44.500 --> 01:37:46.500
And now as a club.

3100
01:37:46.500 --> 01:37:50.500
Take all the emotional stuff out and think how do we replace him?

3101
01:37:50.500 --> 01:37:52.500
To think about that.

3102
01:37:52.500 --> 01:37:53.500
Wow.

3103
01:37:53.500 --> 01:37:55.500
That's difficult.

3104
01:37:55.500 --> 01:37:56.500
Impossible, I would say.

3105
01:37:56.500 --> 01:37:59.500
And now we charge the transfer window where they buy the players.

3106
01:37:59.500 --> 01:38:00.500
It was not the plan.

3107
01:38:00.500 --> 01:38:02.500
I'm pretty sure.

3108
01:38:02.500 --> 01:38:05.500
The two that he had to get.

3109
01:38:05.500 --> 01:38:07.500
Replaced.

3110
01:38:07.500 --> 01:38:10.500
Do you remember where you were when you had the news?

3111
01:38:10.500 --> 01:38:13.500
Yeah.

3112
01:38:13.500 --> 01:38:15.500
I got a message in the morning.

3113
01:38:15.500 --> 01:38:17.500
The boss I had bad news.

3114
01:38:17.500 --> 01:38:22.500
And I got a message from a friend from Liverpool.

3115
01:38:22.500 --> 01:38:27.500
And I couldn't believe it.

3116
01:38:27.500 --> 01:38:29.500
I was not possible.

3117
01:38:29.500 --> 01:38:30.500
I heard it.

3118
01:38:30.500 --> 01:38:31.500
And I know what it means.

3119
01:38:31.500 --> 01:38:33.500
But I couldn't believe it.

3120
01:38:33.500 --> 01:38:35.500
The whole story.

3121
01:38:35.500 --> 01:38:39.500
I saw all the pictures obviously from the wedding and all the boys were there.

3122
01:38:39.500 --> 01:38:40.500
And stuff like that.

3123
01:38:40.500 --> 01:38:41.500
And it was so.

3124
01:38:41.500 --> 01:38:43.500
Not only before that.

3125
01:38:43.500 --> 01:38:47.500
I know exactly where I was.

3126
01:38:47.500 --> 01:38:51.500
I was exactly how long I sat there without speaking a word.

3127
01:38:51.500 --> 01:38:53.500
So.

3128
01:38:53.500 --> 01:38:54.500
It is.

3129
01:38:54.500 --> 01:38:55.500
It is.

3130
01:38:55.500 --> 01:38:57.500
It is a family member.

3131
01:38:57.500 --> 01:39:03.500
It is exactly like that.

3132
01:39:03.500 --> 01:39:04.500
So look, it's.

3133
01:39:04.500 --> 01:39:05.500
It's really like that.

3134
01:39:05.500 --> 01:39:06.500
You have.

3135
01:39:06.500 --> 01:39:08.500
It's an example.

3136
01:39:08.500 --> 01:39:11.500
For the things you have to deal with without knowing at all.

3137
01:39:11.500 --> 01:39:14.500
You cannot be prepared to deal with things like that.

3138
01:39:14.500 --> 01:39:17.500
And today we talk about the.

3139
01:39:17.500 --> 01:39:18.500
The trends are being done.

3140
01:39:18.500 --> 01:39:21.500
And if you want a little pull, that would have looked completely different.

3141
01:39:21.500 --> 01:39:23.500
So you have to sort.

3142
01:39:23.500 --> 01:39:26.500
The things you didn't have expected.

3143
01:39:26.500 --> 01:39:28.500
You have to think about.

3144
01:39:28.500 --> 01:39:33.500
Everybody wanted this boy to play the next.

3145
01:39:33.500 --> 01:39:35.500
Ten years at Liverpool.

3146
01:39:35.500 --> 01:39:36.500
All around player.

3147
01:39:36.500 --> 01:39:38.500
All positions.

3148
01:39:38.500 --> 01:39:41.500
Can play with boss.

3149
01:39:41.500 --> 01:39:47.500
On July the 3rd, 2025, Diego was killed in a car crash alongside his brother in Spain.

3150
01:39:47.500 --> 01:39:52.500
I think we just just before then he had got married to his partner.

3151
01:39:52.500 --> 01:39:54.500
And he had several beautiful children.

3152
01:39:54.500 --> 01:39:55.500
He said of you.

3153
01:39:55.500 --> 01:39:57.500
He said the first time you and him at.

3154
01:39:57.500 --> 01:39:59.500
He just felt your presence.

3155
01:39:59.500 --> 01:40:03.500
He said, I think that's one of his main characteristics the way you can.

3156
01:40:03.500 --> 01:40:07.500
You can just feel him only with his presence.

3157
01:40:07.500 --> 01:40:13.500
And Diego went on to be incredibly successful under your leadership at Liverpool.

3158
01:40:13.500 --> 01:40:14.500
Yeah.

3159
01:40:14.500 --> 01:40:15.500
It's true.

3160
01:40:15.500 --> 01:40:16.500
Yeah.

3161
01:40:16.500 --> 01:40:17.500
Same.

3162
01:40:17.500 --> 01:40:18.500
I could say the same.

3163
01:40:18.500 --> 01:40:19.500
I could say the same about him.

3164
01:40:19.500 --> 01:40:22.500
I was impressed with his presence.

3165
01:40:22.500 --> 01:40:24.500
Very very special.

3166
01:40:24.500 --> 01:40:26.500
Very special.

3167
01:40:26.500 --> 01:40:27.500
Young man.

3168
01:40:27.500 --> 01:40:29.500
I have to say.

3169
01:40:29.500 --> 01:40:35.500
How much of a role do does a manager like you play in the transfer window?

3170
01:40:35.500 --> 01:40:37.500
This is something that's always speculated by the fans.

3171
01:40:37.500 --> 01:40:41.500
Do you remember the first when I came and told me about the transfer committee?

3172
01:40:41.500 --> 01:40:42.500
I never had.

3173
01:40:42.500 --> 01:40:47.500
The day they told me that the journalist asked me, yeah, because they implemented a transfer committee

3174
01:40:47.500 --> 01:40:52.500
because they didn't want to have the managers that decisive in a transfer window.

3175
01:40:52.500 --> 01:40:55.500
Obviously before me there were some issues.

3176
01:40:55.500 --> 01:40:57.500
There's no problem with that.

3177
01:40:57.500 --> 01:41:01.500
I can discuss with everyone as long as no player signs for the club I don't want.

3178
01:41:01.500 --> 01:41:04.500
I'm used to not getting all the players I want.

3179
01:41:04.500 --> 01:41:05.500
That's completely normal.

3180
01:41:05.500 --> 01:41:06.500
It's not up to the coaches.

3181
01:41:06.500 --> 01:41:08.500
Let me say we need one that play on SAI.

3182
01:41:08.500 --> 01:41:09.500
It's too expensive.

3183
01:41:09.500 --> 01:41:10.500
You can ask again.

3184
01:41:10.500 --> 01:41:11.500
Sorry.

3185
01:41:11.500 --> 01:41:13.500
Can we make it happen?

3186
01:41:13.500 --> 01:41:18.500
Knowing they all try up everything to get the right price and get the player in.

3187
01:41:18.500 --> 01:41:21.500
You cannot do anything with that.

3188
01:41:21.500 --> 01:41:25.500
That anybody in a club would bring in a player you don't agree on.

3189
01:41:25.500 --> 01:41:27.500
That's not possible.

3190
01:41:27.500 --> 01:41:31.500
It's very, very normal in a football called the manager of life

3191
01:41:31.500 --> 01:41:33.500
that you don't get all the players you want.

3192
01:41:33.500 --> 01:41:35.500
No problem with that.

3193
01:41:35.500 --> 01:41:42.500
As long as the transfer window is open, you try to create, build the best possible squad.

3194
01:41:42.500 --> 01:41:48.500
On the day after the transfer window you have the best possible squad

3195
01:41:48.500 --> 01:41:53.500
which ever transfers you made and that's the way you go into the rest of the season.

3196
01:41:53.500 --> 01:41:55.500
Michael Edwards left during your tenure.

3197
01:41:55.500 --> 01:42:01.500
He was one of the key people that was responsible for looking for players

3198
01:42:01.500 --> 01:42:02.500
and signing them.

3199
01:42:02.500 --> 01:42:04.500
He's back now.

3200
01:42:04.500 --> 01:42:07.500
First and foremost, before I don't want to say anything,

3201
01:42:07.500 --> 01:42:09.500
it's because I really have a really good relationship.

3202
01:42:09.500 --> 01:42:12.500
Michael Edwards is absolutely great in what he's doing.

3203
01:42:12.500 --> 01:42:16.500
But he was not on one day his job alone to bring in players.

3204
01:42:16.500 --> 01:42:19.500
There were a lot of other junior board, Ian Graham.

3205
01:42:19.500 --> 01:42:23.500
So many people, they were involved in very hunter.

3206
01:42:23.500 --> 01:42:26.500
And all these kind of things were involved in these kind of things.

3207
01:42:26.500 --> 01:42:27.500
It was a process.

3208
01:42:27.500 --> 01:42:29.500
We were really, we were really close together.

3209
01:42:29.500 --> 01:42:34.500
It's not one sitting there and being the genius and having producing ideas and anything.

3210
01:42:34.500 --> 01:42:37.500
Oh my God.

3211
01:42:37.500 --> 01:42:38.500
He's available.

3212
01:42:38.500 --> 01:42:40.500
I didn't even know him.

3213
01:42:40.500 --> 01:42:43.500
We know football players.

3214
01:42:43.500 --> 01:42:48.500
It's like negotiating, finding the right moment to sell, finding the right moment to buy.

3215
01:42:48.500 --> 01:42:52.500
That's spotting director's job, but he was before.

3216
01:42:52.500 --> 01:42:54.500
And now it's, I don't even know exactly the role.

3217
01:42:54.500 --> 01:42:56.500
Something in the holding company.

3218
01:42:56.500 --> 01:42:57.500
Yeah.

3219
01:42:57.500 --> 01:43:01.500
So Richard Hughes is now there doing an incredible job.

3220
01:43:01.500 --> 01:43:05.500
So this company is, it's really, it's all in the idle world.

3221
01:43:05.500 --> 01:43:08.500
So like people from outside are idolizing.

3222
01:43:08.500 --> 01:43:09.500
Sometimes people like that.

3223
01:43:09.500 --> 01:43:12.500
They definitely, some of them with me made it with Michael.

3224
01:43:12.500 --> 01:43:14.500
But Michael never did a job alone.

3225
01:43:14.500 --> 01:43:16.500
I never did a job alone.

3226
01:43:16.500 --> 01:43:19.500
It was always like a really good.

3227
01:43:19.500 --> 01:43:20.500
Yeah.

3228
01:43:20.500 --> 01:43:22.500
We worked together just really well.

3229
01:43:22.500 --> 01:43:27.500
We didn't have a lot of disagreements where I think,

3230
01:43:27.500 --> 01:43:29.500
where is that coming from?

3231
01:43:29.500 --> 01:43:30.500
I want him.

3232
01:43:30.500 --> 01:43:31.500
It's a process.

3233
01:43:31.500 --> 01:43:33.500
A football team is an open book.

3234
01:43:33.500 --> 01:43:35.500
Everybody can read it every day.

3235
01:43:35.500 --> 01:43:40.500
So if you want to add something, it should not be a surprise to everybody and think,

3236
01:43:40.500 --> 01:43:42.500
where is that idea coming from?

3237
01:43:42.500 --> 01:43:43.500
You think we need a left back.

3238
01:43:43.500 --> 01:43:44.500
Why?

3239
01:43:44.500 --> 01:43:45.500
We have already forward.

3240
01:43:45.500 --> 01:43:46.500
That doesn't happen.

3241
01:43:46.500 --> 01:43:50.500
We work on progress all the time during the season, but the transfer windows,

3242
01:43:50.500 --> 01:43:52.500
it clashes, obviously.

3243
01:43:52.500 --> 01:43:59.500
And English people in professional football enjoy the day a bit more than probably in other countries.

3244
01:43:59.500 --> 01:44:03.500
So that's what I didn't get that to a full extent.

3245
01:44:03.500 --> 01:44:10.500
But I learned a lot about the excitement of a good transfer window.

3246
01:44:10.500 --> 01:44:11.500
Did you always get home with them?

3247
01:44:11.500 --> 01:44:12.500
Yeah.

3248
01:44:12.500 --> 01:44:14.500
I would say 100%.

3249
01:44:14.500 --> 01:44:16.500
Michael definitely and Richard, I don't know.

3250
01:44:16.500 --> 01:44:20.500
We've spoke quite a few times after I left.

3251
01:44:20.500 --> 01:44:21.500
So I like him.

3252
01:44:21.500 --> 01:44:24.500
And I think they did an incredible job, honestly.

3253
01:44:24.500 --> 01:44:28.500
Because you became bigger than the coach.

3254
01:44:28.500 --> 01:44:30.500
You became such a huge...

3255
01:44:30.500 --> 01:44:33.500
I mean, you still are such a huge figure in the city.

3256
01:44:33.500 --> 01:44:40.500
My assistant, who's been with me for 10 years, she's from Liverpool and I'm probably going to embarrass her now.

3257
01:44:40.500 --> 01:44:42.500
But you're like the king to her.

3258
01:44:42.500 --> 01:44:43.500
Not even in Liverpool.

3259
01:44:43.500 --> 01:44:44.500
You're the king globally.

3260
01:44:44.500 --> 01:44:45.500
Yeah.

3261
01:44:45.500 --> 01:44:51.500
If I was a Michael Edwards or someone else at the club and I was trying to...

3262
01:44:51.500 --> 01:44:55.500
You had ultimate power, kind of like Sir Alex Ferguson.

3263
01:44:55.500 --> 01:44:57.500
He became...

3264
01:44:57.500 --> 01:44:58.500
He was everything.

3265
01:44:58.500 --> 01:45:00.500
He's on the stadium.

3266
01:45:00.500 --> 01:45:01.500
He is the club.

3267
01:45:01.500 --> 01:45:08.500
So I always wondered how anyone would be able to overturn your opinion or argue with you when you are the city.

3268
01:45:08.500 --> 01:45:09.500
You're like...

3269
01:45:09.500 --> 01:45:11.500
You're the great young and clock.

3270
01:45:11.500 --> 01:45:12.500
But that's the outside world.

3271
01:45:12.500 --> 01:45:13.500
Come on.

3272
01:45:13.500 --> 01:45:14.500
I'm not...

3273
01:45:14.500 --> 01:45:15.500
I'm an idiot.

3274
01:45:15.500 --> 01:45:16.500
I don't...

3275
01:45:16.500 --> 01:45:21.500
I don't sit there and I always said I need other people to understand things.

3276
01:45:21.500 --> 01:45:23.500
It's like my own opinion.

3277
01:45:23.500 --> 01:45:24.500
I know already.

3278
01:45:24.500 --> 01:45:27.500
Well, the more I get up, I know my opinion.

3279
01:45:27.500 --> 01:45:28.500
So come on.

3280
01:45:28.500 --> 01:45:30.500
How can you get a better view on it on things?

3281
01:45:30.500 --> 01:45:31.500
That's how it is.

3282
01:45:31.500 --> 01:45:33.500
It's just by discussing with people.

3283
01:45:33.500 --> 01:45:36.500
Yes, the final decision I have to make and I have no problem with that.

3284
01:45:36.500 --> 01:45:39.500
But for that I need all people being really involved.

3285
01:45:39.500 --> 01:45:43.500
And if you want to have an argument, have an argument and in the end I will make the decision.

3286
01:45:43.500 --> 01:45:44.500
The absolute problem.

3287
01:45:44.500 --> 01:45:45.500
Did we have argument?

3288
01:45:45.500 --> 01:45:46.500
Maybe yes.

3289
01:45:46.500 --> 01:45:47.500
I don't remember them.

3290
01:45:47.500 --> 01:45:50.500
But it's not important because it's just in the end.

3291
01:45:50.500 --> 01:45:51.500
It's about the outcome.

3292
01:45:51.500 --> 01:45:55.500
It's about what is best for the club and I never had a problem with that.

3293
01:45:55.500 --> 01:45:58.500
I never thought they all have to please me.

3294
01:45:58.500 --> 01:46:06.500
So I realized how famous I am after I left Liverpool.

3295
01:46:06.500 --> 01:46:07.500
I have no clue.

3296
01:46:07.500 --> 01:46:09.500
I was never in Liverpool out there.

3297
01:46:09.500 --> 01:46:14.500
And on the bus it's normal that the people cheer because everybody is there cheer for everybody.

3298
01:46:14.500 --> 01:46:18.500
So I realized how good I was to coach since I'm not in the job anymore.

3299
01:46:18.500 --> 01:46:21.500
So because I thought what I can do, everybody can do.

3300
01:46:21.500 --> 01:46:22.500
Maybe not.

3301
01:46:22.500 --> 01:46:25.500
So it's 100% the truth.

3302
01:46:25.500 --> 01:46:32.500
Because in the job you just do try to sort every day the things in front of you.

3303
01:46:32.500 --> 01:46:33.500
That's what you try.

3304
01:46:33.500 --> 01:46:34.500
Can I ask you about Nunez?

3305
01:46:34.500 --> 01:46:37.500
He didn't seem very happy on your last day.

3306
01:46:37.500 --> 01:46:38.500
Darwin.

3307
01:46:38.500 --> 01:46:39.500
Yeah.

3308
01:46:39.500 --> 01:46:41.500
We had an absolutely good relationship.

3309
01:46:41.500 --> 01:46:47.500
S could this can be where the striker is not scoring as often as he wants.

3310
01:46:47.500 --> 01:46:51.500
As the people want and as I think he could have.

3311
01:46:51.500 --> 01:46:56.500
And with a striker who didn't play as often as definitely he wants.

3312
01:46:56.500 --> 01:46:59.500
So how can you have a fantastic relationship?

3313
01:46:59.500 --> 01:47:03.500
Would it be if he would I didn't see that picture I heard about it.

3314
01:47:03.500 --> 01:47:11.500
If he would have stand there and beat the number one and jumping after me, crying his eyes out and hugging me for 10 minutes.

3315
01:47:11.500 --> 01:47:12.500
I was okay.

3316
01:47:12.500 --> 01:47:13.500
What's going on here?

3317
01:47:13.500 --> 01:47:15.500
Completely normal situation.

3318
01:47:15.500 --> 01:47:18.500
I cannot.

3319
01:47:18.500 --> 01:47:21.500
My first concern cannot be to please everybody.

3320
01:47:21.500 --> 01:47:22.500
It's just not possible.

3321
01:47:22.500 --> 01:47:24.500
It's not possible in that job.

3322
01:47:24.500 --> 01:47:25.500
Easy.

3323
01:47:25.500 --> 01:47:31.500
The first problem starts with 25 players 11 starting for sessions.

3324
01:47:31.500 --> 01:47:32.500
So sorry.

3325
01:47:32.500 --> 01:47:35.500
More players are not happy than you make happy.

3326
01:47:35.500 --> 01:47:37.500
That's already where it starts the problem.

3327
01:47:37.500 --> 01:47:39.500
So now you have to get through this.

3328
01:47:39.500 --> 01:47:42.500
And I'm pretty sure he had super moments.

3329
01:47:43.500 --> 01:47:45.500
We had super moments together.

3330
01:47:45.500 --> 01:47:50.500
And in my last day, if I would have been him, I would have thought as well.

3331
01:47:50.500 --> 01:47:51.500
Okay.

3332
01:47:51.500 --> 01:47:52.500
Come on.

3333
01:47:52.500 --> 01:47:53.500
The next one is a new chance for me.

3334
01:47:53.500 --> 01:47:54.500
Because players do that.

3335
01:47:54.500 --> 01:48:00.500
If it goes really well for them, it's not that they think tanks to the coach.

3336
01:48:00.500 --> 01:48:03.500
If it's not going well, they think.

3337
01:48:03.500 --> 01:48:05.500
It doesn't bring me open enough.

3338
01:48:05.500 --> 01:48:06.500
My fault.

3339
01:48:06.500 --> 01:48:07.500
We are humans.

3340
01:48:07.500 --> 01:48:08.500
We are all the same.

3341
01:48:08.500 --> 01:48:10.500
Though it's not that they are special in that moment.

3342
01:48:10.500 --> 01:48:13.500
And some of them think, I have to do more.

3343
01:48:13.500 --> 01:48:16.500
I have to do more for the week one, week two, week three and anything.

3344
01:48:16.500 --> 01:48:18.500
I did three weeks more.

3345
01:48:18.500 --> 01:48:20.500
It's still not picking me.

3346
01:48:20.500 --> 01:48:22.500
So it's a bit.

3347
01:48:22.500 --> 01:48:27.500
You cannot have always harmony and flowers and all these kind of things.

3348
01:48:27.500 --> 01:48:29.500
That's a competitive environment.

3349
01:48:29.500 --> 01:48:34.500
And you need to perform to get what you think you deserve.

3350
01:48:34.500 --> 01:48:38.500
When did you decide that you wanted to sign Darwin?

3351
01:48:38.500 --> 01:48:41.500
How did that decision sign exactly like before?

3352
01:48:41.500 --> 01:48:45.500
We decided it all together involved in that process.

3353
01:48:45.500 --> 01:48:47.500
And yes, that's how it is nowadays.

3354
01:48:47.500 --> 01:48:51.500
We would have loved to sign him for lesser money.

3355
01:48:51.500 --> 01:48:52.500
Of course.

3356
01:48:52.500 --> 01:48:54.500
But it wasn't in that moment not possible.

3357
01:48:54.500 --> 01:48:55.500
We need a striker.

3358
01:48:55.500 --> 01:48:59.500
We only wanted to have an extra option.

3359
01:48:59.500 --> 01:49:04.500
A striker like we had Bobby always the best faults nine in the world.

3360
01:49:04.500 --> 01:49:08.500
And now we needed somebody with a bit more speed and stuff like this.

3361
01:49:08.500 --> 01:49:09.500
We need to have the action.

3362
01:49:09.500 --> 01:49:10.500
It's a move.

3363
01:49:10.500 --> 01:49:11.500
And Sadio.

3364
01:49:11.500 --> 01:49:13.500
I'm not sure if Sadio was still there.

3365
01:49:13.500 --> 01:49:14.500
Probably not.

3366
01:49:14.500 --> 01:49:15.500
So.

3367
01:49:15.500 --> 01:49:16.500
Sadio went that year.

3368
01:49:16.500 --> 01:49:17.500
Yeah.

3369
01:49:17.500 --> 01:49:18.500
I think Sadio went that year.

3370
01:49:18.500 --> 01:49:19.500
So we had to we had to change as well.

3371
01:49:19.500 --> 01:49:20.500
So we're a Luish D.

3372
01:49:20.500 --> 01:49:21.500
As great.

3373
01:49:21.500 --> 01:49:22.500
Codicacbook grade.

3374
01:49:22.500 --> 01:49:24.500
What kind of player we don't have.

3375
01:49:24.500 --> 01:49:27.500
I thought Codic can play a little bit like Bobby.

3376
01:49:27.500 --> 01:49:31.500
Good football on the side, but feels much better on the on the on the wing.

3377
01:49:31.500 --> 01:49:32.500
All these kind of things.

3378
01:49:32.500 --> 01:49:34.500
So, yeah, of course, we all signed him together.

3379
01:49:34.500 --> 01:49:39.500
No problem to admit that it maybe didn't work out as good as good.

3380
01:49:39.500 --> 01:49:44.500
But without Darwin, you know, so many things won't have happened.

3381
01:49:44.500 --> 01:49:47.500
The biggest comeback of all times.

3382
01:49:47.500 --> 01:49:48.500
A new castle.

3383
01:49:48.500 --> 01:49:52.500
For example, I love that day.

3384
01:49:52.500 --> 01:49:53.500
I love that day.

3385
01:49:53.500 --> 01:49:54.500
We came on.

3386
01:49:54.500 --> 01:49:55.500
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3387
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3388
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3389
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3390
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3398
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3399
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3400
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3401
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3402
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3403
01:51:04.500 --> 01:51:09.500
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3404
01:51:09.500 --> 01:51:13.500
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3405
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3406
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3407
01:51:22.500 --> 01:51:31.500
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3408
01:51:31.500 --> 01:51:37.500
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3409
01:51:37.500 --> 01:51:39.500
Why did you leave? Why did you leave?

3410
01:51:39.500 --> 01:51:47.500
I watched your videos announcing your departure so many times and I was almost trying to read between the lines.

3411
01:51:47.500 --> 01:51:50.500
Oh, I was trying to read between the lines. I know what you read.

3412
01:51:50.500 --> 01:51:55.500
I was just, you know, because you talk about just the energy, not having the energy for it.

3413
01:51:55.500 --> 01:51:59.500
That's kind of how I was interpreting you, you know, you sat down with your board.

3414
01:51:59.500 --> 01:52:06.500
Your board talked about plans for next year and you realized in that moment that you didn't have the energy to rebuild and go again, etc.

3415
01:52:06.500 --> 01:52:08.500
No, no, not to rebuild.

3416
01:52:08.500 --> 01:52:10.500
We didn't have to rebuild that.

3417
01:52:10.500 --> 01:52:14.500
Yeah, no, I knew I know that the team is a good team, John.

3418
01:52:15.500 --> 01:52:21.500
My expectation on myself is I'm the energy giver to everybody in this environment.

3419
01:52:21.500 --> 01:52:24.500
Like, what am I? If somebody is struggling, come on.

3420
01:52:24.500 --> 01:52:27.500
You can have my money. Don't need it. Let's go.

3421
01:52:27.500 --> 01:52:34.500
I have to be on top of absolute top of my game to be the guy who deserves to be the Liverpool manager.

3422
01:52:34.500 --> 01:52:39.500
And that's what I said when I said in the day when I feel, I know that anymore.

3423
01:52:40.500 --> 01:52:44.500
So that I say, okay, let's wait until everybody sees it.

3424
01:52:44.500 --> 01:52:46.500
And then they can give me a second.

3425
01:52:46.500 --> 01:52:48.500
All these kind of things. I cannot do it like that.

3426
01:52:48.500 --> 01:52:54.500
Not after the time we had to get, I realized I don't want to be there after all the time we had together.

3427
01:52:54.500 --> 01:52:58.500
I don't want to be the guy. I don't want to go on tour to USA.

3428
01:52:58.500 --> 01:53:02.500
Why? Because I loved it all every day.

3429
01:53:02.500 --> 01:53:05.500
So it's then you realize, I need a break.

3430
01:53:05.500 --> 01:53:09.500
Whatever I need to have something else and you cannot do that in that business.

3431
01:53:09.500 --> 01:53:14.500
You cannot say, ladies and gentlemen, give me a year, see you later.

3432
01:53:14.500 --> 01:53:16.500
And it's just not like that.

3433
01:53:16.500 --> 01:53:24.500
And I really think we did what we had to do to say what we felt and thought in that moment.

3434
01:53:24.500 --> 01:53:30.500
And it was exactly like that. I didn't have the energy to think about what's next.

3435
01:53:30.500 --> 01:53:33.500
I didn't want to think about what's next. I just wanted to go.

3436
01:53:33.500 --> 01:53:36.500
I was happy with finishing the season.

3437
01:53:36.500 --> 01:53:40.500
But then don't ask me, what can we do here? What can we do there?

3438
01:53:40.500 --> 01:53:42.500
What can we do there? What can we do?

3439
01:53:42.500 --> 01:53:47.500
It was all my responsibility for all the time because yes, I don't decide money.

3440
01:53:47.500 --> 01:53:51.500
But all the rest, it was in my hands from a specific moment on.

3441
01:53:51.500 --> 01:53:55.500
Covid kicked in, no spoiling director, Michael came after I left.

3442
01:53:55.500 --> 01:54:00.500
It was not there anymore. It was not because we had a problem or whatever, not at all.

3443
01:54:00.500 --> 01:54:07.500
It was just, they wanted to find a leader for the pack and found it with Michael and Richard.

3444
01:54:07.500 --> 01:54:10.500
And Anne obviously now working really close together.

3445
01:54:10.500 --> 01:54:12.500
So that was the decision.

3446
01:54:12.500 --> 01:54:17.500
But there was a time, there was no Richard, no Michael, no Julian word.

3447
01:54:17.500 --> 01:54:24.500
So there was just me sitting there, like on the top of all the things.

3448
01:54:24.500 --> 01:54:26.500
And we had to win football games.

3449
01:54:26.500 --> 01:54:30.500
But all the rest was on my plate as well. It was an intense time.

3450
01:54:30.500 --> 01:54:34.500
It wasn't a structure around you in that regard.

3451
01:54:34.500 --> 01:54:39.500
Covid changed a lot. I mean, people didn't fly as much anymore.

3452
01:54:39.500 --> 01:54:45.500
The owners didn't come that often over. It was like budget calls were on the phone.

3453
01:54:45.500 --> 01:54:51.500
Well, unless we brought in Yorke Smartgate at church, because we didn't have a spoiling director at the time.

3454
01:54:51.500 --> 01:54:57.500
In fact, Julian came back, but then I don't even know exactly why he left again.

3455
01:54:57.500 --> 01:55:00.500
So these kind of things that just happened.

3456
01:55:00.500 --> 01:55:03.500
And the only guys who were over there were we, the coaches and the football team,

3457
01:55:03.500 --> 01:55:06.500
so they were just the normal stuff over a day.

3458
01:55:06.500 --> 01:55:08.500
So he was doing the sporting director stuff.

3459
01:55:08.500 --> 01:55:15.500
Yeah, us and together in that one window with, I think it was with Yorke Smartgate.

3460
01:55:15.500 --> 01:55:17.500
The general guy we brought over.

3461
01:55:17.500 --> 01:55:20.500
I don't even know if Julian Warrant was still there.

3462
01:55:20.500 --> 01:55:23.500
The lawyers, the scouts.

3463
01:55:23.500 --> 01:55:28.500
So do you think you could ever go back and manage Liverpool again?

3464
01:55:28.500 --> 01:55:31.500
Is that within the realm of possibilities?

3465
01:55:31.500 --> 01:55:35.500
I said, I'd build another coach on a different team in England.

3466
01:55:35.500 --> 01:55:39.500
So that means if then it's Liverpool.

3467
01:55:39.500 --> 01:55:43.500
Yeah, so theoretically it's possible.

3468
01:55:43.500 --> 01:55:45.500
What would it take?

3469
01:55:45.500 --> 01:55:48.500
Theoretically, for you to want to do that.

3470
01:55:48.500 --> 01:55:50.500
Psychologically.

3471
01:55:50.500 --> 01:55:53.500
I don't even know exactly what I trusted.

3472
01:55:53.500 --> 01:55:56.500
It must be...

3473
01:55:56.500 --> 01:55:58.500
I love what I do right now.

3474
01:55:58.500 --> 01:56:00.500
I don't miss coaching.

3475
01:56:00.500 --> 01:56:02.500
I mean, I do coach, but just different.

3476
01:56:02.500 --> 01:56:03.500
Not players.

3477
01:56:03.500 --> 01:56:05.500
So, and I don't miss it.

3478
01:56:05.500 --> 01:56:09.500
I don't miss standing in the rain two and a half, three hours.

3479
01:56:09.500 --> 01:56:14.500
And I don't miss going to press conference.

3480
01:56:14.500 --> 01:56:18.500
Four times, three times a week.

3481
01:56:18.500 --> 01:56:24.500
Having 12, 10, 12 interviews a week.

3482
01:56:24.500 --> 01:56:25.500
I don't miss that.

3483
01:56:25.500 --> 01:56:26.500
I don't.

3484
01:56:26.500 --> 01:56:32.500
So I don't miss being in the dressing room.

3485
01:56:32.500 --> 01:56:35.500
Like in a sense of that I didn't have it often.

3486
01:56:35.500 --> 01:56:37.500
I coached 1080 something games.

3487
01:56:37.500 --> 01:56:39.500
So I was in the dressing room very, very often.

3488
01:56:39.500 --> 01:56:43.500
I don't want to die in the dressing room just because so nice.

3489
01:56:43.500 --> 01:56:44.500
It smells.

3490
01:56:44.500 --> 01:56:46.500
So it's these kinds of things.

3491
01:56:46.500 --> 01:56:48.500
But there might be something.

3492
01:56:48.500 --> 01:56:49.500
I'm 58, 58.

3493
01:56:49.500 --> 01:56:51.500
That's from your perspective, old.

3494
01:56:51.500 --> 01:56:53.500
From other perspective, from the other side.

3495
01:56:53.500 --> 01:56:54.500
It's not that old.

3496
01:56:54.500 --> 01:56:57.500
That means I could make the decision in a few years.

3497
01:56:57.500 --> 01:56:58.500
I don't know.

3498
01:56:58.500 --> 01:57:00.500
Do I have to make the decision today?

3499
01:57:00.500 --> 01:57:02.500
I will not coach again.

3500
01:57:02.500 --> 01:57:04.500
But thank God I don't have to do that.

3501
01:57:04.500 --> 01:57:06.500
I can't just see what future brings.

3502
01:57:06.500 --> 01:57:08.500
But now I'm involved in a project.

3503
01:57:08.500 --> 01:57:09.500
I really love.

3504
01:57:09.500 --> 01:57:11.500
And I love the people I'm working together with.

3505
01:57:12.500 --> 01:57:14.500
And the clubs we are responsible for.

3506
01:57:14.500 --> 01:57:16.500
And the countries the clubs are in.

3507
01:57:16.500 --> 01:57:21.500
So I like doing what I'm doing right now.

3508
01:57:21.500 --> 01:57:26.500
And in my mind, only if I'm focused 100% on it,

3509
01:57:26.500 --> 01:57:28.500
I can do it really good.

3510
01:57:28.500 --> 01:57:30.500
And that's what I always want to do.

3511
01:57:30.500 --> 01:57:32.500
Those are the things you don't miss.

3512
01:57:32.500 --> 01:57:34.500
What do you miss?

3513
01:57:34.500 --> 01:57:37.500
Sometimes people.

3514
01:57:37.500 --> 01:57:46.500
I wish I don't miss a dressing room as a dressing room.

3515
01:57:46.500 --> 01:57:50.500
But sitting there in the restaurant with the players and having a nice chat.

3516
01:57:50.500 --> 01:57:52.500
It's nice.

3517
01:57:52.500 --> 01:57:55.500
It was always nice when they were just in a good mood.

3518
01:57:55.500 --> 01:57:57.500
We won a lot of games.

3519
01:57:57.500 --> 01:58:01.500
There was often a very good mood in the building.

3520
01:58:01.500 --> 01:58:04.500
And standing there, hearing them laugh.

3521
01:58:04.500 --> 01:58:07.500
I still have virtual laugh in my ear, for example.

3522
01:58:07.500 --> 01:58:11.500
Yes, this kind, this part of the job.

3523
01:58:11.500 --> 01:58:13.500
It's obviously...

3524
01:58:13.500 --> 01:58:16.500
But that's for these players, which I had the last time.

3525
01:58:16.500 --> 01:58:18.500
It's now...

3526
01:58:18.500 --> 01:58:19.500
Do I miss it in general?

3527
01:58:19.500 --> 01:58:21.500
But football players not right now.

3528
01:58:21.500 --> 01:58:23.500
It's not like that.

3529
01:58:23.500 --> 01:58:26.500
But there's really not a lot to be honest with.

3530
01:58:26.500 --> 01:58:32.500
Because I'm still in the business I know most about.

3531
01:58:33.500 --> 01:58:37.500
So the football part, I don't miss because I have it.

3532
01:58:37.500 --> 01:58:40.500
And the only thing is that I don't have to be outside.

3533
01:58:40.500 --> 01:58:45.500
I'm not the guy in the chair before a game and stuff like this.

3534
01:58:45.500 --> 01:58:48.500
Honestly, that's probably the best.

3535
01:58:48.500 --> 01:58:50.500
I don't miss anything.

3536
01:58:50.500 --> 01:58:51.500
That's how it is.

3537
01:58:51.500 --> 01:58:54.500
When I look at your career, mind, Dortmund, Liverpool,

3538
01:58:54.500 --> 01:58:59.500
you seem to always be successful.

3539
01:58:59.500 --> 01:59:01.500
And it's extremely rare.

3540
01:59:01.500 --> 01:59:02.500
It's extremely rare.

3541
01:59:02.500 --> 01:59:04.500
And you seem to always succeed with a lot of passion

3542
01:59:04.500 --> 01:59:05.500
and all those things.

3543
01:59:05.500 --> 01:59:08.500
But my question is, I think about the audience we have,

3544
01:59:08.500 --> 01:59:11.500
which are often business people, leaders, CEOs.

3545
01:59:11.500 --> 01:59:13.500
Is there anything else that we haven't touched upon

3546
01:59:13.500 --> 01:59:16.500
that is central to your idea of getting the best out of a group of people?

3547
01:59:16.500 --> 01:59:19.500
We talked about being a sort of bespoke leader,

3548
01:59:19.500 --> 01:59:22.500
being the jigsaw piece you need to be to get the best out of a person.

3549
01:59:22.500 --> 01:59:24.500
We talked about giving everything.

3550
01:59:24.500 --> 01:59:28.500
Is there anything else that's really central to your philosophy of leadership?

3551
01:59:28.500 --> 01:59:33.500
And management that you think is important that we haven't touched upon yet.

3552
01:59:33.500 --> 01:59:39.500
That young coaches might be able to create the best team possible.

3553
01:59:39.500 --> 01:59:41.500
And I mean in an understanding of the team.

3554
01:59:41.500 --> 01:59:45.500
Like really, there must be a reason why this team wins and not the other team

3555
01:59:45.500 --> 01:59:48.500
because there are other teams out there, they try absolutely everything.

3556
01:59:48.500 --> 01:59:52.500
So don't waste time with walking next to each other,

3557
01:59:52.500 --> 01:59:54.500
not knowing anything about each other,

3558
01:59:54.500 --> 01:59:56.500
not being bothered about the problem of each other,

3559
01:59:56.500 --> 01:59:58.500
not being interested about each other, no, no, no.

3560
01:59:58.500 --> 01:59:59.500
I want to grow together.

3561
01:59:59.500 --> 02:00:01.500
And it was my job to help them to grow,

3562
02:00:01.500 --> 02:00:03.500
to create a situation where they could do that,

3563
02:00:03.500 --> 02:00:06.500
to make sure, and if I had to be harsh to all of them,

3564
02:00:06.500 --> 02:00:08.500
that they found a way to get together, I did that.

3565
02:00:08.500 --> 02:00:10.500
It was not what I said.

3566
02:00:10.500 --> 02:00:12.500
It was what they needed to understand

3567
02:00:12.500 --> 02:00:19.500
why we are a very special team in a very hard and difficult competition.

3568
02:00:19.500 --> 02:00:23.500
But we have to find the reason why we deserve it more than others.

3569
02:00:23.500 --> 02:00:26.500
Yes, that's what I say, what you have to do.

3570
02:00:26.500 --> 02:00:30.500
And that's what I, people want to convince today with knowledge.

3571
02:00:30.500 --> 02:00:32.500
They want to say, I know everything about that.

3572
02:00:32.500 --> 02:00:34.500
I can tell you, I can explain it to you stuff.

3573
02:00:34.500 --> 02:00:36.500
But in the end, that's one thing,

3574
02:00:36.500 --> 02:00:37.500
and other people can know as well.

3575
02:00:37.500 --> 02:00:42.500
It's about how close can we really grow together to go out there

3576
02:00:42.500 --> 02:00:46.500
and smash whatever out of them.

3577
02:00:46.500 --> 02:00:48.500
So that's the thing,

3578
02:00:48.500 --> 02:00:51.500
what I always did.

3579
02:00:51.500 --> 02:00:55.500
So it was always clear for us,

3580
02:00:55.500 --> 02:00:58.500
we would walk, I don't know,

3581
02:00:58.500 --> 02:00:59.500
we would go through fire.

3582
02:00:59.500 --> 02:01:00.500
I'm not sure if you say that or anything,

3583
02:01:00.500 --> 02:01:02.500
but we really would do absolutely everything.

3584
02:01:02.500 --> 02:01:04.500
And without me telling every day to find it,

3585
02:01:04.500 --> 02:01:07.500
so to find a way to grow as much together, that was obvious.

3586
02:01:07.500 --> 02:01:10.500
How do I get people to walk through fire?

3587
02:01:10.500 --> 02:01:13.500
So you're talking about making sure the buns amongst themselves are strong.

3588
02:01:13.500 --> 02:01:16.500
I had stories of you making sure everybody knew everybody's name

3589
02:01:16.500 --> 02:01:18.500
when you first arrived and things like that.

3590
02:01:18.500 --> 02:01:19.500
Things like that.

3591
02:01:19.500 --> 02:01:20.500
Players, wonderful stuff.

3592
02:01:20.500 --> 02:01:22.500
The staff names, etc.

3593
02:01:22.500 --> 02:01:25.500
What were you doing to get people to walk through fire?

3594
02:01:25.500 --> 02:01:26.500
And that's exactly it.

3595
02:01:26.500 --> 02:01:27.500
That's exactly it.

3596
02:01:27.500 --> 02:01:28.500
That's a good question.

3597
02:01:28.500 --> 02:01:29.500
There's no answer for the question,

3598
02:01:29.500 --> 02:01:32.500
because it means it would mean you say one thing

3599
02:01:32.500 --> 02:01:35.500
and for everybody to run.

3600
02:01:35.500 --> 02:01:36.500
That's not like that.

3601
02:01:36.500 --> 02:01:37.500
You have to create a culture,

3602
02:01:37.500 --> 02:01:41.500
an environment, a situation, a vibe

3603
02:01:41.500 --> 02:01:44.500
where everybody realized this is special.

3604
02:01:44.500 --> 02:01:46.500
The underlining message is this.

3605
02:01:46.500 --> 02:01:47.500
This is special.

3606
02:01:47.500 --> 02:01:48.500
And now let's go for it.

3607
02:01:48.500 --> 02:01:49.500
This is worth it.

3608
02:01:49.500 --> 02:01:51.500
This means really more to all of us

3609
02:01:51.500 --> 02:01:54.500
that we really can fight more for it.

3610
02:01:54.500 --> 02:01:55.500
What is special?

3611
02:01:55.500 --> 02:01:58.500
The togetherness, the way we had...

3612
02:01:58.500 --> 02:02:00.500
The way we...

3613
02:02:00.500 --> 02:02:02.500
And people can say that's in our club the same,

3614
02:02:02.500 --> 02:02:06.500
but the way we interacted in the training ground

3615
02:02:06.500 --> 02:02:07.500
with the kitchen stuff,

3616
02:02:07.500 --> 02:02:11.500
with the respect we showed every day,

3617
02:02:11.500 --> 02:02:13.500
with the kids, with the gardeners,

3618
02:02:13.500 --> 02:02:14.500
with all the people there.

3619
02:02:14.500 --> 02:02:17.500
That was, for me, most important,

3620
02:02:17.500 --> 02:02:19.500
because it just, you just realized

3621
02:02:19.500 --> 02:02:21.500
that's the respect you show,

3622
02:02:21.500 --> 02:02:22.500
it's the respect you get.

3623
02:02:22.500 --> 02:02:23.500
You can't show respect,

3624
02:02:23.500 --> 02:02:24.500
you don't deserve any.

3625
02:02:24.500 --> 02:02:25.500
So that's how it is.

3626
02:02:25.500 --> 02:02:26.500
And you don't have...

3627
02:02:26.500 --> 02:02:28.500
It's not a lesson in the sense of that I tell you.

3628
02:02:28.500 --> 02:02:29.500
Wait.

3629
02:02:29.500 --> 02:02:30.500
Sit here.

3630
02:02:30.500 --> 02:02:31.500
You have to respect the gardener,

3631
02:02:31.500 --> 02:02:34.500
and then the other people will respect you as well.

3632
02:02:34.500 --> 02:02:36.500
It said, you don't do it like that.

3633
02:02:36.500 --> 02:02:37.500
It's just you learn that.

3634
02:02:37.500 --> 02:02:39.500
Show respect, you get respect.

3635
02:02:39.500 --> 02:02:41.500
Don't show respect, you don't deserve it.

3636
02:02:41.500 --> 02:02:43.500
So all these little things over there,

3637
02:02:43.500 --> 02:02:44.500
there's not a big thing.

3638
02:02:44.500 --> 02:02:46.500
It's not every day I go for them

3639
02:02:46.500 --> 02:02:48.500
and tell them why it's this different,

3640
02:02:48.500 --> 02:02:49.500
why it's that different.

3641
02:02:49.500 --> 02:02:51.500
The way you deal with situations,

3642
02:02:51.500 --> 02:02:53.500
we found a way for us

3643
02:02:53.500 --> 02:02:55.500
that the most important information

3644
02:02:55.500 --> 02:02:57.500
about the game was what I said,

3645
02:02:57.500 --> 02:02:59.500
and not what's in the media,

3646
02:02:59.500 --> 02:03:00.500
not what's in social media.

3647
02:03:00.500 --> 02:03:02.500
And I said, that was good.

3648
02:03:02.500 --> 02:03:03.500
It was good.

3649
02:03:03.500 --> 02:03:05.500
There were still all the things

3650
02:03:05.500 --> 02:03:06.500
out there were written,

3651
02:03:06.500 --> 02:03:08.500
but they were not important anymore.

3652
02:03:08.500 --> 02:03:10.500
When I said it was not good,

3653
02:03:10.500 --> 02:03:11.500
then could they write, yeah,

3654
02:03:11.500 --> 02:03:12.500
but you won three now,

3655
02:03:12.500 --> 02:03:14.500
and then we found a way to talk about it

3656
02:03:14.500 --> 02:03:15.500
and worked on it.

3657
02:03:15.500 --> 02:03:18.500
We created our own world in that time,

3658
02:03:18.500 --> 02:03:22.500
which was more important than the outside world.

3659
02:03:22.500 --> 02:03:25.500
How is not being respectful to the gardener,

3660
02:03:25.500 --> 02:03:28.500
going to lose you the Champions League?

3661
02:03:28.500 --> 02:03:30.500
What is the three lines?

3662
02:03:30.500 --> 02:03:31.500
I believe just in,

3663
02:03:31.500 --> 02:03:32.500
if you cannot do that,

3664
02:03:32.500 --> 02:03:35.500
if you don't appreciate what other people do,

3665
02:03:35.500 --> 02:03:37.500
then you can appreciate what your teammate is doing.

3666
02:03:37.500 --> 02:03:39.500
If you don't, that's just a little sign.

3667
02:03:39.500 --> 02:03:41.500
It's not that, of course,

3668
02:03:41.500 --> 02:03:43.500
there's not direct impact from here to there.

3669
02:03:43.500 --> 02:03:45.500
But in the end, I'm pretty sure

3670
02:03:45.500 --> 02:03:48.500
if you would really have a brief look at it

3671
02:03:48.500 --> 02:03:50.500
in one or two situations,

3672
02:03:50.500 --> 02:03:53.500
like, wow, it doesn't look like a proper fella

3673
02:03:53.500 --> 02:03:55.500
and then you go back to the beginning

3674
02:03:55.500 --> 02:03:57.500
and say, yeah, because it isn't.

3675
02:03:57.500 --> 02:03:58.500
I can tell you.

3676
02:03:58.500 --> 02:03:59.500
I'm fascinated by this point

3677
02:03:59.500 --> 02:04:02.500
because when I was a little traffic

3678
02:04:02.500 --> 02:04:04.500
and the ladies who served the food

3679
02:04:04.500 --> 02:04:07.500
in the boxes and lounges,

3680
02:04:07.500 --> 02:04:09.500
when I'd ask them what was different

3681
02:04:09.500 --> 02:04:11.500
after Fergie left,

3682
02:04:11.500 --> 02:04:12.500
the thing they kept saying to me was,

3683
02:04:12.500 --> 02:04:13.500
oh, it's just so different around here.

3684
02:04:13.500 --> 02:04:15.500
And I'd say it would explain to me how they go,

3685
02:04:15.500 --> 02:04:16.500
I don't know, just,

3686
02:04:16.500 --> 02:04:18.500
let's focus on just new our names.

3687
02:04:18.500 --> 02:04:19.500
Yeah.

3688
02:04:19.500 --> 02:04:20.500
That's what they would say.

3689
02:04:20.500 --> 02:04:21.500
And it's a strange thing to hear

3690
02:04:21.500 --> 02:04:23.500
that the only symptom

3691
02:04:23.500 --> 02:04:25.500
that some of the staff in the stadium

3692
02:04:25.500 --> 02:04:26.500
could point at was just

3693
02:04:26.500 --> 02:04:28.500
the new leadership don't know our names.

3694
02:04:28.500 --> 02:04:30.500
Yeah, but this is obviously not the answer

3695
02:04:30.500 --> 02:04:32.500
to the men united problems

3696
02:04:32.500 --> 02:04:34.500
that's just the situation

3697
02:04:34.500 --> 02:04:35.500
with the ladies

3698
02:04:35.500 --> 02:04:37.500
or whatever working in that area.

3699
02:04:37.500 --> 02:04:39.500
But it shows if that doesn't,

3700
02:04:39.500 --> 02:04:40.500
then you don't know theoretically

3701
02:04:40.500 --> 02:04:42.500
and names what it shows

3702
02:04:42.500 --> 02:04:44.500
is the togetherness is not there anymore.

3703
02:04:44.500 --> 02:04:46.500
It starts over there.

3704
02:04:46.500 --> 02:04:48.500
So it's just different.

3705
02:04:48.500 --> 02:04:49.500
And then you get,

3706
02:04:49.500 --> 02:04:51.500
but not on day one.

3707
02:04:51.500 --> 02:04:52.500
But after 23 years,

3708
02:04:52.500 --> 02:04:53.500
of course, it was different.

3709
02:04:53.500 --> 02:04:54.500
Of course, you knew your name.

3710
02:04:54.500 --> 02:04:55.500
So you're growing up.

3711
02:04:55.500 --> 02:04:58.500
So how can you compare that?

3712
02:04:58.500 --> 02:05:00.500
This was an Edward with just the colleagues.

3713
02:05:00.500 --> 02:05:01.500
Yeah.

3714
02:05:01.500 --> 02:05:02.500
This wasn't under any also,

3715
02:05:02.500 --> 02:05:03.500
I remember him this was before

3716
02:05:03.500 --> 02:05:04.500
then a couple of years ago.

3717
02:05:04.500 --> 02:05:05.500
Yeah.

3718
02:05:05.500 --> 02:05:07.500
And I just always found that for me

3719
02:05:07.500 --> 02:05:09.500
that as a business leader

3720
02:05:09.500 --> 02:05:12.500
became a really interesting reference point.

3721
02:05:12.500 --> 02:05:13.500
Because as you said,

3722
02:05:13.500 --> 02:05:15.500
it's just a downstream symptom of something

3723
02:05:15.500 --> 02:05:17.500
where the club has gone from feeling

3724
02:05:17.500 --> 02:05:18.500
like a family and special

3725
02:05:18.500 --> 02:05:20.500
in close and tight

3726
02:05:20.500 --> 02:05:21.500
and these values

3727
02:05:21.500 --> 02:05:23.500
to the decay of the values

3728
02:05:23.500 --> 02:05:26.500
and it's all the way down to the stream

3729
02:05:26.500 --> 02:05:27.500
at the bottom.

3730
02:05:27.500 --> 02:05:29.500
But this is a generation discussion,

3731
02:05:29.500 --> 02:05:30.500
isn't it?

3732
02:05:30.500 --> 02:05:32.500
In the past,

3733
02:05:32.500 --> 02:05:34.500
again, I'm not that old,

3734
02:05:34.500 --> 02:05:35.500
that I say in the past,

3735
02:05:35.500 --> 02:05:36.500
everything was better for sure or not.

3736
02:05:36.500 --> 02:05:39.500
But we are differently raised.

3737
02:05:39.500 --> 02:05:41.500
That's how it is.

3738
02:05:41.500 --> 02:05:42.500
I came home.

3739
02:05:42.500 --> 02:05:45.500
I walked home in a 1,200 people village.

3740
02:05:45.500 --> 02:05:47.500
I had a 400 meter walk

3741
02:05:47.500 --> 02:05:49.500
from the bus station to my home.

3742
02:05:49.500 --> 02:05:50.500
I walked home.

3743
02:05:50.500 --> 02:05:52.500
Obviously a lady crossed my way.

3744
02:05:52.500 --> 02:05:53.500
I didn't can't remember it.

3745
02:05:53.500 --> 02:05:56.500
I arrived at home after 200 meters,

3746
02:05:56.500 --> 02:05:58.500
more meters and then my mom said,

3747
02:05:58.500 --> 02:06:01.500
why didn't you say hello to Mr. Sonsor?

3748
02:06:04.500 --> 02:06:05.500
What?

3749
02:06:05.500 --> 02:06:08.500
So, that's that helped me in life.

3750
02:06:08.500 --> 02:06:09.500
I'm not sure.

3751
02:06:09.500 --> 02:06:11.500
It's just how you get raised.

3752
02:06:11.500 --> 02:06:13.500
I didn't run back and say,

3753
02:06:13.500 --> 02:06:14.500
sorry, hello.

3754
02:06:14.500 --> 02:06:16.500
But next time, believe me,

3755
02:06:16.500 --> 02:06:18.500
it leaded to in my life

3756
02:06:18.500 --> 02:06:20.500
where a lot of people recognize me.

3757
02:06:20.500 --> 02:06:23.500
So it's difficult not to say hello to people

3758
02:06:23.500 --> 02:06:24.500
because of that.

3759
02:06:24.500 --> 02:06:26.500
But I start obviously getting attention

3760
02:06:26.500 --> 02:06:28.500
if I can't get through something and I would say,

3761
02:06:28.500 --> 02:06:31.500
hello, that doesn't work properly for me anymore.

3762
02:06:31.500 --> 02:06:32.500
But it's still in me.

3763
02:06:32.500 --> 02:06:33.500
One thing is the things we read,

3764
02:06:33.500 --> 02:06:35.500
the other things we feel,

3765
02:06:35.500 --> 02:06:37.500
the other things is how we get treated.

3766
02:06:37.500 --> 02:06:40.500
We all are the result of a lot of things

3767
02:06:40.500 --> 02:06:41.500
that happen to us.

3768
02:06:41.500 --> 02:06:43.500
And as long as we are together,

3769
02:06:43.500 --> 02:06:45.500
let's make sure that we influence

3770
02:06:45.500 --> 02:06:47.500
each other as positive,

3771
02:06:47.500 --> 02:06:49.500
as somehow possible.

3772
02:06:49.500 --> 02:06:51.500
And let's see where it leads us to.

3773
02:06:51.500 --> 02:06:53.500
That's the idea I have.

3774
02:06:53.500 --> 02:06:56.500
A lot of managers or leaders or CEOs

3775
02:06:56.500 --> 02:06:59.500
would focus on tactics and strategy first and foremost.

3776
02:06:59.500 --> 02:07:02.500
And as you say, the information and all those things.

3777
02:07:02.500 --> 02:07:04.500
But it appears that you focus somewhere else.

3778
02:07:04.500 --> 02:07:06.500
Not first.

3779
02:07:06.500 --> 02:07:07.500
Same time.

3780
02:07:07.500 --> 02:07:08.500
It's not first.

3781
02:07:08.500 --> 02:07:09.500
It's not same time.

3782
02:07:09.500 --> 02:07:10.500
It's same time.

3783
02:07:10.500 --> 02:07:13.500
I, 24 hours a day,

3784
02:07:13.500 --> 02:07:15.500
two hours time for training.

3785
02:07:15.500 --> 02:07:17.500
There's not a lot more you can do.

3786
02:07:17.500 --> 02:07:18.500
Maybe you have another,

3787
02:07:18.500 --> 02:07:20.500
and it's pretty indefinitely more than another session,

3788
02:07:20.500 --> 02:07:21.500
24 hours,

3789
02:07:21.500 --> 02:07:22.500
20 hours left,

3790
02:07:22.500 --> 02:07:24.500
7, 8 hours sleep,

3791
02:07:24.500 --> 02:07:25.500
12 more hours.

3792
02:07:25.500 --> 02:07:26.500
Welcome.

3793
02:07:26.500 --> 02:07:27.500
What can we do with that?

3794
02:07:27.500 --> 02:07:29.500
Let's become the best group we can be.

3795
02:07:29.500 --> 02:07:32.500
So that's 100% interested in.

3796
02:07:32.500 --> 02:07:33.500
Definitely.

3797
02:07:33.500 --> 02:07:34.500
The best group we can be.

3798
02:07:34.500 --> 02:07:35.500
Yeah.

3799
02:07:35.500 --> 02:07:36.500
That's those relationships,

3800
02:07:36.500 --> 02:07:37.500
those values.

3801
02:07:37.500 --> 02:07:38.500
Yeah.

3802
02:07:38.500 --> 02:07:40.500
And were there any particular changes you made

3803
02:07:40.500 --> 02:07:42.500
to how the team interacted with each other?

3804
02:07:42.500 --> 02:07:43.500
I know that,

3805
02:07:43.500 --> 02:07:45.500
that any of your guys told me it matches you like,

3806
02:07:45.500 --> 02:07:47.500
they've changed the like canteen

3807
02:07:47.500 --> 02:07:49.500
so that people don't sit on separate tables

3808
02:07:50.500 --> 02:07:52.500
now and the team are together when they eat.

3809
02:07:52.500 --> 02:07:53.500
Just small things like this

3810
02:07:53.500 --> 02:07:55.500
that some people might think are inconsequential.

3811
02:07:55.500 --> 02:07:58.500
Are there any things that you changed?

3812
02:07:58.500 --> 02:08:00.500
Any rules or policies?

3813
02:08:00.500 --> 02:08:06.500
I don't like these obvious things too much.

3814
02:08:06.500 --> 02:08:09.500
If you don't like each other,

3815
02:08:09.500 --> 02:08:13.500
the size of the table makes no difference,

3816
02:08:13.500 --> 02:08:14.500
to be honest.

3817
02:08:14.500 --> 02:08:16.500
I don't say that's not important.

3818
02:08:16.500 --> 02:08:19.500
I don't see the real effect.

3819
02:08:19.500 --> 02:08:24.500
I want to reach it in a different way.

3820
02:08:24.500 --> 02:08:28.500
I want to introduce them to each other

3821
02:08:28.500 --> 02:08:31.500
in a specific way on the pitch, by the way.

3822
02:08:31.500 --> 02:08:32.500
That's where it starts

3823
02:08:32.500 --> 02:08:33.500
because we have football team,

3824
02:08:33.500 --> 02:08:34.500
we are not the community

3825
02:08:34.500 --> 02:08:36.500
and just sit there and drink tea

3826
02:08:36.500 --> 02:08:37.500
and biscuits.

3827
02:08:37.500 --> 02:08:39.500
It's a really competitive environment

3828
02:08:39.500 --> 02:08:42.500
and it's all to get the best out of the boys

3829
02:08:42.500 --> 02:08:43.500
on the football pitch.

3830
02:08:44.500 --> 02:08:46.500
Rules, pitch, rules,

3831
02:08:46.500 --> 02:08:47.500
dressing room,

3832
02:08:47.500 --> 02:08:49.500
but then there are so many things

3833
02:08:49.500 --> 02:08:50.500
left and right of the rules

3834
02:08:50.500 --> 02:08:52.500
there are so many things you can do together.

3835
02:08:52.500 --> 02:08:53.500
There's so much to talk about,

3836
02:08:53.500 --> 02:08:55.500
so much to know about,

3837
02:08:55.500 --> 02:08:57.500
and that's what life is.

3838
02:08:57.500 --> 02:08:59.500
Otherwise, we just live next to each other

3839
02:08:59.500 --> 02:09:01.500
and we don't benefit from each other.

3840
02:09:01.500 --> 02:09:02.500
That makes no sense.

3841
02:09:02.500 --> 02:09:04.500
I don't want to make it bigger than it is

3842
02:09:04.500 --> 02:09:05.500
but my general understanding

3843
02:09:05.500 --> 02:09:07.500
from football team is

3844
02:09:07.500 --> 02:09:10.500
to become the best football team you can be.

3845
02:09:11.500 --> 02:09:14.500
This is as important as tactics.

3846
02:09:14.500 --> 02:09:15.500
As important as tactics.

3847
02:09:15.500 --> 02:09:17.500
The best tactics, the guys

3848
02:09:17.500 --> 02:09:19.500
don't respect, don't like each other.

3849
02:09:19.500 --> 02:09:22.500
Nobody will see them ever, ever.

3850
02:09:22.500 --> 02:09:24.500
So, after worst tactics,

3851
02:09:24.500 --> 02:09:26.500
but a lot of each other,

3852
02:09:26.500 --> 02:09:28.500
boy, they still can win.

3853
02:09:28.500 --> 02:09:30.500
That's possible.

3854
02:09:30.500 --> 02:09:31.500
I, the world,

3855
02:09:31.500 --> 02:09:33.500
great team,

3856
02:09:33.500 --> 02:09:35.500
good coach,

3857
02:09:35.500 --> 02:09:38.500
you have a good chance of his successful.

3858
02:09:39.500 --> 02:09:41.500
I have two pictures that we haven't shown yet

3859
02:09:41.500 --> 02:09:45.500
but this particular picture is of Elizabeth.

3860
02:09:45.500 --> 02:09:46.500
Yeah, mama.

3861
02:09:46.500 --> 02:09:48.500
Yeah, mama.

3862
02:09:48.500 --> 02:09:51.500
2011, we became champion

3863
02:09:51.500 --> 02:09:52.500
with Dortmund,

3864
02:09:52.500 --> 02:09:55.500
my home club.

3865
02:09:55.500 --> 02:09:57.500
That's what Gladden invited me

3866
02:09:57.500 --> 02:09:59.500
to build a stage.

3867
02:09:59.500 --> 02:10:01.500
My elder sister,

3868
02:10:01.500 --> 02:10:03.500
wrote a poem,

3869
02:10:03.500 --> 02:10:06.500
my mom couldn't have been proud of.

3870
02:10:06.500 --> 02:10:08.500
Obviously,

3871
02:10:08.500 --> 02:10:10.500
that day,

3872
02:10:10.500 --> 02:10:11.500
I saw my teammates

3873
02:10:11.500 --> 02:10:12.500
from my first football team

3874
02:10:12.500 --> 02:10:14.500
they were all there.

3875
02:10:14.500 --> 02:10:15.500
Nobody would have thought

3876
02:10:15.500 --> 02:10:17.500
that somebody from there

3877
02:10:17.500 --> 02:10:21.500
would arrive where I was there.

3878
02:10:21.500 --> 02:10:23.500
Yeah, great day.

3879
02:10:23.500 --> 02:10:24.500
Elizabeth was a really,

3880
02:10:24.500 --> 02:10:26.500
really nice woman,

3881
02:10:26.500 --> 02:10:28.500
I have to say.

3882
02:10:28.500 --> 02:10:29.500
She passed away

3883
02:10:29.500 --> 02:10:33.500
in 2021 after falling ill,

3884
02:10:33.500 --> 02:10:34.500
because of everything

3885
02:10:34.500 --> 02:10:35.500
that was going on at the time

3886
02:10:35.500 --> 02:10:36.500
the pandemic,

3887
02:10:36.500 --> 02:10:37.500
you weren't able to attend

3888
02:10:37.500 --> 02:10:38.500
her funeral,

3889
02:10:38.500 --> 02:10:39.500
because of the travel restrictions

3890
02:10:39.500 --> 02:10:42.500
and all those kinds of things.

3891
02:10:42.500 --> 02:10:44.500
Is she did get to see

3892
02:10:44.500 --> 02:10:45.500
your success?

3893
02:10:45.500 --> 02:10:46.500
She got to see.

3894
02:10:46.500 --> 02:10:47.500
That's a big difference.

3895
02:10:47.500 --> 02:10:49.500
So I was not in a funeral

3896
02:10:49.500 --> 02:10:51.500
and that was the sounds crazy.

3897
02:10:51.500 --> 02:10:52.500
The online funeral

3898
02:10:52.500 --> 02:10:54.500
was one of the saddest things

3899
02:10:54.500 --> 02:10:57.500
I experienced in my life.

3900
02:10:57.500 --> 02:10:58.500
But then it happened,

3901
02:10:58.500 --> 02:10:59.500
at least,

3902
02:10:59.500 --> 02:11:00.500
that was good,

3903
02:11:00.500 --> 02:11:01.500
that we could see it,

3904
02:11:01.500 --> 02:11:02.500
that we could be part of it,

3905
02:11:02.500 --> 02:11:04.500
we couldn't be there.

3906
02:11:05.500 --> 02:11:07.500
My mom had in the anted dementia,

3907
02:11:07.500 --> 02:11:09.500
so it's not that she would have known,

3908
02:11:09.500 --> 02:11:10.500
that I was not there

3909
02:11:10.500 --> 02:11:12.500
when she was lying there.

3910
02:11:12.500 --> 02:11:15.500
That's not a nice thing.

3911
02:11:15.500 --> 02:11:17.500
But she saw the majority

3912
02:11:17.500 --> 02:11:22.500
of my working life,

3913
02:11:22.500 --> 02:11:23.500
if you want.

3914
02:11:23.500 --> 02:11:25.500
My dad didn't see my coaching life,

3915
02:11:25.500 --> 02:11:29.500
so there's nothing is perfect.

3916
02:11:29.500 --> 02:11:32.500
But mom was super happy,

3917
02:11:32.500 --> 02:11:34.500
she was a very happy lady

3918
02:11:34.500 --> 02:11:36.500
until she could remember us

3919
02:11:36.500 --> 02:11:40.500
and see us and recognize us.

3920
02:11:40.500 --> 02:11:43.500
And the time when he couldn't do that anymore,

3921
02:11:43.500 --> 02:11:46.500
it was not too long.

3922
02:11:46.500 --> 02:11:48.500
But that's a...

3923
02:11:48.500 --> 02:11:49.500
I can't wait for the day

3924
02:11:49.500 --> 02:11:50.500
when somebody finds a solution

3925
02:11:50.500 --> 02:11:52.500
for these kinds of things,

3926
02:11:52.500 --> 02:11:54.500
for these kind of diseases.

3927
02:11:54.500 --> 02:11:56.500
And...

3928
02:11:56.500 --> 02:11:58.500
Because your age obviously don't think about it,

3929
02:11:58.500 --> 02:12:00.500
but if you come all the other thing,

3930
02:12:00.500 --> 02:12:02.500
who dies today,

3931
02:12:02.500 --> 02:12:05.500
just of heart attack,

3932
02:12:05.500 --> 02:12:07.500
and not by having already dementia

3933
02:12:07.500 --> 02:12:08.500
or stuff like this

3934
02:12:08.500 --> 02:12:10.500
and don't recognize the kids anymore

3935
02:12:10.500 --> 02:12:11.500
and stuff like this,

3936
02:12:11.500 --> 02:12:12.500
you don't want that.

3937
02:12:12.500 --> 02:12:14.500
You just can't get through this

3938
02:12:14.500 --> 02:12:16.500
by ignoring the fact

3939
02:12:16.500 --> 02:12:18.500
and hoping that science will find a way

3940
02:12:18.500 --> 02:12:21.500
until we get there.

3941
02:12:21.500 --> 02:12:24.500
Yeah.

3942
02:12:26.500 --> 02:12:28.500
She started to lose her memories

3943
02:12:28.500 --> 02:12:30.500
of her family

3944
02:12:30.500 --> 02:12:31.500
because of dementia.

3945
02:12:31.500 --> 02:12:32.500
Yeah.

3946
02:12:32.500 --> 02:12:34.500
So like the normal things on phone,

3947
02:12:34.500 --> 02:12:35.500
she didn't know,

3948
02:12:35.500 --> 02:12:37.500
she didn't recognize my voice.

3949
02:12:37.500 --> 02:12:39.500
First...

3950
02:12:39.500 --> 02:12:43.500
This is a strange, strange disease

3951
02:12:43.500 --> 02:12:44.500
or whatever,

3952
02:12:44.500 --> 02:12:45.500
however, call it.

3953
02:12:45.500 --> 02:12:47.500
You close so many doors

3954
02:12:47.500 --> 02:12:48.500
and opens others.

3955
02:12:48.500 --> 02:12:50.500
So long time memory,

3956
02:12:50.500 --> 02:12:51.500
incredible.

3957
02:12:51.500 --> 02:12:53.500
She recognized ladies in the street.

3958
02:12:53.500 --> 02:12:54.500
They were together

3959
02:12:54.500 --> 02:12:55.500
in primary school,

3960
02:12:55.500 --> 02:12:56.500
stuff like this,

3961
02:12:56.500 --> 02:12:58.500
but didn't know.

3962
02:12:58.500 --> 02:13:00.500
We were such these kind of things.

3963
02:13:00.500 --> 02:13:02.500
It's not a competition

3964
02:13:02.500 --> 02:13:03.500
of things you forget

3965
02:13:03.500 --> 02:13:04.500
or whatever.

3966
02:13:04.500 --> 02:13:05.500
There are a lot of things

3967
02:13:05.500 --> 02:13:06.500
you forget,

3968
02:13:06.500 --> 02:13:07.500
especially for the people

3969
02:13:07.500 --> 02:13:08.500
and it was my sister

3970
02:13:08.500 --> 02:13:10.500
who took care of her, obviously.

3971
02:13:10.500 --> 02:13:11.500
That's not nice.

3972
02:13:11.500 --> 02:13:13.500
If she doesn't recognize you,

3973
02:13:13.500 --> 02:13:14.500
who are you?

3974
02:13:14.500 --> 02:13:15.500
Boa, go away.

3975
02:13:15.500 --> 02:13:16.500
These things.

3976
02:13:16.500 --> 02:13:18.500
How is that to deal?

3977
02:13:18.500 --> 02:13:19.500
How is that to deal with

3978
02:13:19.500 --> 02:13:20.500
as a family member

3979
02:13:20.500 --> 02:13:21.500
when someone you love

3980
02:13:21.500 --> 02:13:23.500
a parent can no longer

3981
02:13:23.500 --> 02:13:25.500
recognize who you are?

3982
02:13:26.500 --> 02:13:28.500
It sounds like a grief.

3983
02:13:28.500 --> 02:13:29.500
It's a heartbreak.

3984
02:13:29.500 --> 02:13:30.500
Yeah.

3985
02:13:30.500 --> 02:13:32.500
I think, obviously, my sisters

3986
02:13:32.500 --> 02:13:33.500
were around.

3987
02:13:33.500 --> 02:13:34.500
So, but it was harder.

3988
02:13:34.500 --> 02:13:36.500
Of course, because they were around.

3989
02:13:36.500 --> 02:13:37.500
For me,

3990
02:13:37.500 --> 02:13:38.500
it's not a problem at all,

3991
02:13:38.500 --> 02:13:40.500
because I knew

3992
02:13:40.500 --> 02:13:42.500
she loved me more than our life.

3993
02:13:42.500 --> 02:13:43.500
In a moment,

3994
02:13:43.500 --> 02:13:44.500
she can recognize me anymore

3995
02:13:44.500 --> 02:13:45.500
that it was not a problem for me.

3996
02:13:45.500 --> 02:13:47.500
I just felt for her.

3997
02:13:47.500 --> 02:13:49.500
That is really...

3998
02:13:49.500 --> 02:13:50.500
That's so hard.

3999
02:13:50.500 --> 02:13:51.500
It must be so hard.

4000
02:13:51.500 --> 02:13:53.500
If you have bright moments,

4001
02:13:54.500 --> 02:13:55.500
oh, I know.

4002
02:13:55.500 --> 02:13:56.500
Oh, my God, you are here.

4003
02:13:56.500 --> 02:13:57.500
What are you doing here?

4004
02:13:57.500 --> 02:13:58.500
Going again.

4005
02:13:58.500 --> 02:14:00.500
It's really not nice.

4006
02:14:00.500 --> 02:14:02.500
I really sincerely hope

4007
02:14:02.500 --> 02:14:04.500
I'll be fine.

4008
02:14:04.500 --> 02:14:05.500
Yeah.

4009
02:14:05.500 --> 02:14:06.500
Medication for that.

4010
02:14:06.500 --> 02:14:07.500
I think science is,

4011
02:14:07.500 --> 02:14:08.500
you know,

4012
02:14:08.500 --> 02:14:10.500
in a good way,

4013
02:14:10.500 --> 02:14:12.500
but still a long way to go.

4014
02:14:12.500 --> 02:14:14.500
But thanks for this picture.

4015
02:14:14.500 --> 02:14:15.500
I don't...

4016
02:14:15.500 --> 02:14:16.500
I'm happy on my phone somewhere,

4017
02:14:16.500 --> 02:14:17.500
but I don't have it as a...

4018
02:14:17.500 --> 02:14:18.500
Yeah.

4019
02:14:18.500 --> 02:14:19.500
Thank you very much.

4020
02:14:19.500 --> 02:14:21.500
Faith is a big part of your life as well.

4021
02:14:21.500 --> 02:14:22.500
Yeah.

4022
02:14:22.500 --> 02:14:23.500
Your belief in God.

4023
02:14:23.500 --> 02:14:24.500
Yeah.

4024
02:14:25.500 --> 02:14:26.500
And from what I understood,

4025
02:14:26.500 --> 02:14:27.500
that's not always been the case.

4026
02:14:27.500 --> 02:14:28.500
When you're a young man,

4027
02:14:28.500 --> 02:14:29.500
you aren't...

4028
02:14:29.500 --> 02:14:31.500
Religious in the same way that you are now?

4029
02:14:31.500 --> 02:14:32.500
Is that accurate or...?

4030
02:14:32.500 --> 02:14:34.500
I wouldn't even say I'm religious.

4031
02:14:34.500 --> 02:14:35.500
I...

4032
02:14:35.500 --> 02:14:36.500
I believe.

4033
02:14:36.500 --> 02:14:37.500
But I don't...

4034
02:14:37.500 --> 02:14:39.500
I don't know 100% what religious means to be 100% honest.

4035
02:14:39.500 --> 02:14:40.500
But it's...

4036
02:14:40.500 --> 02:14:42.500
This lady, my mom,

4037
02:14:42.500 --> 02:14:44.500
prayed every life before going to bed.

4038
02:14:44.500 --> 02:14:46.500
But the problem was...

4039
02:14:46.500 --> 02:14:47.500
The one thing we prayed,

4040
02:14:47.500 --> 02:14:48.500
the other thing,

4041
02:14:48.500 --> 02:14:49.500
she said,

4042
02:14:49.500 --> 02:14:50.500
because she couldn't be hard with me.

4043
02:14:50.500 --> 02:14:51.500
She just had no weapons.

4044
02:14:51.500 --> 02:14:52.500
The only thing she could say,

4045
02:14:52.500 --> 02:14:53.500
don't forget,

4046
02:14:53.500 --> 02:14:54.500
if you do that again,

4047
02:14:54.500 --> 02:14:56.500
I will have to tell the dad at the weekend,

4048
02:14:56.500 --> 02:14:57.500
when he's coming back.

4049
02:14:57.500 --> 02:14:58.500
So it was like,

4050
02:14:58.500 --> 02:14:59.500
the only threat she had...

4051
02:14:59.500 --> 02:15:00.500
The only weapon...

4052
02:15:00.500 --> 02:15:02.500
She carried her out.

4053
02:15:02.500 --> 02:15:04.500
And I obviously was smart enough to realize that,

4054
02:15:04.500 --> 02:15:05.500
whatever I did,

4055
02:15:05.500 --> 02:15:07.500
she never told my dad.

4056
02:15:07.500 --> 02:15:10.500
And from time that I went to church,

4057
02:15:10.500 --> 02:15:13.500
I had a short spell

4058
02:15:13.500 --> 02:15:14.500
where I thought,

4059
02:15:14.500 --> 02:15:16.500
because Sunday morning church

4060
02:15:16.500 --> 02:15:17.500
was when I played games.

4061
02:15:17.500 --> 02:15:18.500
I have to go to church.

4062
02:15:18.500 --> 02:15:19.500
I'm not...

4063
02:15:19.500 --> 02:15:20.500
I cannot play football anymore,

4064
02:15:20.500 --> 02:15:23.500
but that lasted exactly one game.

4065
02:15:23.500 --> 02:15:25.500
So one Sunday,

4066
02:15:25.500 --> 02:15:26.500
I thought,

4067
02:15:26.500 --> 02:15:27.500
God cannot be that hard.

4068
02:15:27.500 --> 02:15:29.500
He cannot think that

4069
02:15:29.500 --> 02:15:31.500
I have to go to church,

4070
02:15:31.500 --> 02:15:34.500
but I love football so much.

4071
02:15:34.500 --> 02:15:35.500
The cannot...

4072
02:15:35.500 --> 02:15:37.500
He can't be like that.

4073
02:15:37.500 --> 02:15:39.500
And he isn't ambitious.

4074
02:15:39.500 --> 02:15:42.500
So I found my way.

4075
02:15:42.500 --> 02:15:44.500
For me, it's...

4076
02:15:44.500 --> 02:15:46.500
For me, it's...

4077
02:15:47.500 --> 02:15:49.500
To live together,

4078
02:15:49.500 --> 02:15:51.500
we have to make sure that we...

4079
02:15:51.500 --> 02:15:53.500
That we don't think the only thing

4080
02:15:53.500 --> 02:15:55.500
what is interesting is my own well-being.

4081
02:15:55.500 --> 02:15:57.500
We have to make sure that we understand

4082
02:15:57.500 --> 02:16:00.500
being alone in a good position doesn't help.

4083
02:16:00.500 --> 02:16:03.500
Yes, it's completely normal that we all try

4084
02:16:03.500 --> 02:16:06.500
to get as far as we can in our career, in our life,

4085
02:16:06.500 --> 02:16:07.500
and all these kind of things.

4086
02:16:07.500 --> 02:16:09.500
But it's really important that we make sure

4087
02:16:09.500 --> 02:16:12.500
that we really try to work properly together,

4088
02:16:12.500 --> 02:16:13.500
to live properly together,

4089
02:16:13.500 --> 02:16:14.500
and all these kind of things.

4090
02:16:14.500 --> 02:16:16.500
For me,

4091
02:16:16.500 --> 02:16:17.500
this is my faith.

4092
02:16:17.500 --> 02:16:18.500
It's based on...

4093
02:16:18.500 --> 02:16:23.500
This understanding is based on my faith.

4094
02:16:23.500 --> 02:16:26.500
And common sense, obviously.

4095
02:16:26.500 --> 02:16:28.500
And that's the way I believe.

4096
02:16:28.500 --> 02:16:30.500
And I think that's the best thing

4097
02:16:30.500 --> 02:16:32.500
you can say about religion.

4098
02:16:32.500 --> 02:16:34.500
When it's like that,

4099
02:16:34.500 --> 02:16:37.500
that it keeps people

4100
02:16:37.500 --> 02:16:38.500
in a good place.

4101
02:16:38.500 --> 02:16:40.500
If religion can't do that,

4102
02:16:40.500 --> 02:16:43.500
then that's not the right religion for me.

4103
02:16:43.500 --> 02:16:44.500
It's really about that.

4104
02:16:44.500 --> 02:16:45.500
We have to be tolerant.

4105
02:16:45.500 --> 02:16:46.500
We have to...

4106
02:16:46.500 --> 02:16:47.500
There's no problem.

4107
02:16:47.500 --> 02:16:48.500
It's a wonderful planet.

4108
02:16:48.500 --> 02:16:51.500
It's a wonderful world we are living in.

4109
02:16:51.500 --> 02:16:54.500
But it's not for one or two.

4110
02:16:54.500 --> 02:16:55.500
It's for all of us.

4111
02:16:55.500 --> 02:16:57.500
And we have to make sure that that works out.

4112
02:16:57.500 --> 02:17:00.500
And I think the right faith

4113
02:17:00.500 --> 02:17:02.500
can help you with that.

4114
02:17:02.500 --> 02:17:04.500
But I don't know what is the right faith.

4115
02:17:04.500 --> 02:17:06.500
I only know what is for me.

4116
02:17:06.500 --> 02:17:08.500
So, yeah, for me,

4117
02:17:08.500 --> 02:17:09.500
it's the right thing to do.

4118
02:17:09.500 --> 02:17:11.500
And I never doubted it, to be honest,

4119
02:17:11.500 --> 02:17:13.500
with all the information you get

4120
02:17:13.500 --> 02:17:15.500
over life,

4121
02:17:15.500 --> 02:17:17.500
God is real for me.

4122
02:17:17.500 --> 02:17:21.500
And Jesus, of course.

4123
02:17:21.500 --> 02:17:23.500
Yeah.

4124
02:17:23.500 --> 02:17:25.500
What goals have you got left to accomplish?

4125
02:17:25.500 --> 02:17:26.500
Yeah, again.

4126
02:17:26.500 --> 02:17:27.500
What is left on your list,

4127
02:17:27.500 --> 02:17:28.500
if anything at all?

4128
02:17:28.500 --> 02:17:29.500
Because you're right.

4129
02:17:29.500 --> 02:17:31.500
You're probably halfway through your life,

4130
02:17:31.500 --> 02:17:33.500
the way things are going in terms of people.

4131
02:17:33.500 --> 02:17:35.500
Life expectancy increasing.

4132
02:17:35.500 --> 02:17:36.500
Halfway through 116.

4133
02:17:36.500 --> 02:17:38.500
We have the next podcast.

4134
02:17:38.500 --> 02:17:39.500
Yeah.

4135
02:17:39.500 --> 02:17:40.500
I want to travel.

4136
02:17:40.500 --> 02:17:41.500
That's what we're doing.

4137
02:17:41.500 --> 02:17:42.500
Start now.

4138
02:17:42.500 --> 02:17:43.500
I want to be together

4139
02:17:43.500 --> 02:17:44.500
with Ola as much as I can,

4140
02:17:44.500 --> 02:17:46.500
but not that much that she,

4141
02:17:46.500 --> 02:17:49.500
or I don't want to be around each other anymore

4142
02:17:49.500 --> 02:17:51.500
because I really think you see people

4143
02:17:51.500 --> 02:17:52.500
and think,

4144
02:17:52.500 --> 02:17:53.500
what is your up and doing?

4145
02:17:53.500 --> 02:17:54.500
Oh, God.

4146
02:17:54.500 --> 02:17:55.500
So, no, no, no.

4147
02:17:55.500 --> 02:17:56.500
I'm not that,

4148
02:17:56.500 --> 02:17:57.500
but I'm very busy.

4149
02:17:57.500 --> 02:17:58.500
So, I'm a lot of way.

4150
02:17:58.500 --> 02:17:59.500
So, that's fine.

4151
02:17:59.500 --> 02:18:00.500
But I won't spend with her,

4152
02:18:00.500 --> 02:18:01.500
with the kids,

4153
02:18:01.500 --> 02:18:02.500
with the grandkids.

4154
02:18:02.500 --> 02:18:04.500
I don't have this kind of ambitions.

4155
02:18:04.500 --> 02:18:06.500
I want to do really well for it, Bull.

4156
02:18:06.500 --> 02:18:07.500
Really well.

4157
02:18:07.500 --> 02:18:09.500
I feel already responsible

4158
02:18:09.500 --> 02:18:10.500
for all the people I work together with.

4159
02:18:10.500 --> 02:18:14.500
That's a very interesting thing for me.

4160
02:18:14.500 --> 02:18:16.500
I feel so quick, really responsible,

4161
02:18:16.500 --> 02:18:17.500
but I do.

4162
02:18:17.500 --> 02:18:19.500
So, I want to do it as good as we can.

4163
02:18:19.500 --> 02:18:21.500
Have the best time possible.

4164
02:18:21.500 --> 02:18:22.500
Let's see what happens then.

4165
02:18:22.500 --> 02:18:23.500
But on a private basis,

4166
02:18:23.500 --> 02:18:24.500
I can tell you,

4167
02:18:24.500 --> 02:18:26.500
with all the things happening around,

4168
02:18:26.500 --> 02:18:29.500
stay healthy and enjoy this part of life,

4169
02:18:29.500 --> 02:18:32.500
because you know now most things happen,

4170
02:18:32.500 --> 02:18:34.500
and most things were really good.

4171
02:18:34.500 --> 02:18:36.500
There was another time,

4172
02:18:36.500 --> 02:18:38.500
when you're not sure where we want to go,

4173
02:18:38.500 --> 02:18:40.500
where we can,

4174
02:18:40.500 --> 02:18:41.500
what's possible,

4175
02:18:41.500 --> 02:18:43.500
how safe you will be,

4176
02:18:43.500 --> 02:18:44.500
and all these kind of things.

4177
02:18:44.500 --> 02:18:45.500
Where will you live in the future?

4178
02:18:45.500 --> 02:18:47.500
And so, I know where we will live.

4179
02:18:47.500 --> 02:18:49.500
I know how things worked out.

4180
02:18:49.500 --> 02:18:50.500
That's really good.

4181
02:18:50.500 --> 02:18:52.500
I'm not that old that I cannot move.

4182
02:18:52.500 --> 02:18:53.500
So, move.

4183
02:18:54.500 --> 02:18:56.500
And try and do sports and travel,

4184
02:18:56.500 --> 02:18:57.500
and all these kind of things.

4185
02:18:57.500 --> 02:19:01.500
So, I'm more than happy with the things,

4186
02:19:01.500 --> 02:19:02.500
how they,

4187
02:19:04.500 --> 02:19:06.500
how they happened.

4188
02:19:06.500 --> 02:19:07.500
I'm really, really happy.

4189
02:19:07.500 --> 02:19:08.500
I'm surprised,

4190
02:19:08.500 --> 02:19:10.500
how my career was.

4191
02:19:10.500 --> 02:19:11.500
I never thought that,

4192
02:19:11.500 --> 02:19:12.500
and you cannot plan it,

4193
02:19:12.500 --> 02:19:14.500
and stuff like this.

4194
02:19:14.500 --> 02:19:17.500
I'm super happy with my private life,

4195
02:19:17.500 --> 02:19:19.500
how it is,

4196
02:19:19.500 --> 02:19:20.500
super happy with the Mrs,

4197
02:19:20.500 --> 02:19:21.500
super happy with the kids,

4198
02:19:21.500 --> 02:19:22.500
super happy with the grandkids.

4199
02:19:22.500 --> 02:19:23.500
It's all really good.

4200
02:19:23.500 --> 02:19:25.500
So, what can you want more really,

4201
02:19:25.500 --> 02:19:27.500
without sounding ridiculous,

4202
02:19:27.500 --> 02:19:28.500
that you think,

4203
02:19:28.500 --> 02:19:29.500
oh,

4204
02:19:29.500 --> 02:19:30.500
you always do that on that.

4205
02:19:30.500 --> 02:19:32.500
And the rest is job.

4206
02:19:32.500 --> 02:19:34.500
And the job I always want to do

4207
02:19:34.500 --> 02:19:36.500
as somehow possible.

4208
02:19:36.500 --> 02:19:37.500
And,

4209
02:19:37.500 --> 02:19:39.500
that's still the case.

4210
02:19:45.500 --> 02:19:47.500
Is he a man United, then?

4211
02:19:47.500 --> 02:19:49.500
Right.

4212
02:19:49.500 --> 02:19:50.500
No, I'm just kidding.

4213
02:19:50.500 --> 02:19:52.500
If you ever want to job at a football club,

4214
02:19:52.500 --> 02:19:53.500
Manchester United, we're down.

4215
02:19:53.500 --> 02:19:54.500
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

4216
02:19:54.500 --> 02:19:56.500
After all the time you spent together,

4217
02:19:56.500 --> 02:19:58.500
you wanted to tell me that.

4218
02:19:58.500 --> 02:19:59.500
Yeah.

4219
02:19:59.500 --> 02:20:00.500
No, but, you know,

4220
02:20:00.500 --> 02:20:01.500
it's really,

4221
02:20:01.500 --> 02:20:02.500
it's really interesting to me,

4222
02:20:02.500 --> 02:20:03.500
because I think there's always an assumption

4223
02:20:03.500 --> 02:20:05.500
that people want to continue to,

4224
02:20:05.500 --> 02:20:06.500
I don't,

4225
02:20:06.500 --> 02:20:07.500
I don't understand it.

4226
02:20:07.500 --> 02:20:08.500
Do the same,

4227
02:20:08.500 --> 02:20:10.500
because that's what you are good at.

4228
02:20:10.500 --> 02:20:12.500
I know I'm good as a manager.

4229
02:20:12.500 --> 02:20:13.500
I know,

4230
02:20:13.500 --> 02:20:14.500
so why should I,

4231
02:20:14.500 --> 02:20:15.500
I don't have to prove that,

4232
02:20:15.500 --> 02:20:16.500
not even to me,

4233
02:20:16.500 --> 02:20:17.500
I have to prove that.

4234
02:20:17.500 --> 02:20:19.500
I can raise my hand,

4235
02:20:19.500 --> 02:20:21.500
and tomorrow I can coach,

4236
02:20:21.500 --> 02:20:22.500
clap,

4237
02:20:22.500 --> 02:20:23.500
x, y, and set,

4238
02:20:23.500 --> 02:20:24.500
clubs who are happy now

4239
02:20:24.500 --> 02:20:25.500
would sack their manager,

4240
02:20:25.500 --> 02:20:26.500
and I don't want that.

4241
02:20:26.500 --> 02:20:27.500
So,

4242
02:20:27.500 --> 02:20:29.500
but to be my best friend,

4243
02:20:29.500 --> 02:20:30.500
that might come back

4244
02:20:30.500 --> 02:20:31.500
that I say,

4245
02:20:31.500 --> 02:20:32.500
okay, I'm ready,

4246
02:20:32.500 --> 02:20:33.500
that might,

4247
02:20:33.500 --> 02:20:34.500
I don't know today,

4248
02:20:34.500 --> 02:20:35.500
but in this moment,

4249
02:20:35.500 --> 02:20:36.500
it's not that I cannot do what I do,

4250
02:20:36.500 --> 02:20:37.500
why I think it would,

4251
02:20:37.500 --> 02:20:38.500
or on lack,

4252
02:20:38.500 --> 02:20:39.500
being still there.

4253
02:20:39.500 --> 02:20:40.500
I was never like that.

4254
02:20:40.500 --> 02:20:42.500
I never would look right or left

4255
02:20:42.500 --> 02:20:43.500
when I was at mines.

4256
02:20:43.500 --> 02:20:46.500
I could have changed the club every year

4257
02:20:46.500 --> 02:20:48.500
for the first seven.

4258
02:20:48.500 --> 02:20:49.500
It was so obvious

4259
02:20:49.500 --> 02:20:50.500
that something is going on,

4260
02:20:50.500 --> 02:20:51.500
they're pretty special.

4261
02:20:51.500 --> 02:20:52.500
The clubs won,

4262
02:20:52.500 --> 02:20:53.500
we want to have him.

4263
02:20:53.500 --> 02:20:55.500
And I never thought a second

4264
02:20:55.500 --> 02:20:56.500
that I want to go there.

4265
02:20:56.500 --> 02:20:57.500
I wanted to stay at mines

4266
02:20:57.500 --> 02:20:58.500
to do what we do,

4267
02:20:58.500 --> 02:21:00.500
and to learn what I thought I have to learn.

4268
02:21:00.500 --> 02:21:02.500
Same at Dortmund, same at Liverpool.

4269
02:21:02.500 --> 02:21:03.500
Until I thought,

4270
02:21:03.500 --> 02:21:04.500
it's not right.

4271
02:21:04.500 --> 02:21:05.500
If that comes again,

4272
02:21:05.500 --> 02:21:06.500
let's see what we can,

4273
02:21:06.500 --> 02:21:07.500
but we will do.

4274
02:21:07.500 --> 02:21:08.500
That's what the decision I wanted.

4275
02:21:08.500 --> 02:21:10.500
I didn't want to make the job

4276
02:21:10.500 --> 02:21:12.500
until I barely can move.

4277
02:21:12.500 --> 02:21:13.500
I barely can travel.

4278
02:21:13.500 --> 02:21:14.500
I barely,

4279
02:21:14.500 --> 02:21:15.500
Mrs.

4280
02:21:15.500 --> 02:21:16.500
can you help me?

4281
02:21:16.500 --> 02:21:18.500
I didn't want to do that.

4282
02:21:18.500 --> 02:21:19.500
Here, we're sitting,

4283
02:21:19.500 --> 02:21:20.500
and yes,

4284
02:21:20.500 --> 02:21:22.500
I'm 25 years older than you,

4285
02:21:22.500 --> 02:21:24.500
but we both could

4286
02:21:25.500 --> 02:21:27.500
probably run around

4287
02:21:27.500 --> 02:21:28.500
at the corner now,

4288
02:21:28.500 --> 02:21:30.500
and it would not be the biggest difference.

4289
02:21:30.500 --> 02:21:31.500
You're in great shape.

4290
02:21:31.500 --> 02:21:32.500
Yeah, that's it,

4291
02:21:32.500 --> 02:21:33.500
because I train.

4292
02:21:33.500 --> 02:21:34.500
That's how it is.

4293
02:21:34.500 --> 02:21:35.500
But I never did

4294
02:21:35.500 --> 02:21:36.500
while I was a manager.

4295
02:21:36.500 --> 02:21:37.500
That's the next thing.

4296
02:21:37.500 --> 02:21:39.500
I just grew more and more and more,

4297
02:21:39.500 --> 02:21:42.500
and now we have time for that as well.

4298
02:21:42.500 --> 02:21:45.500
No, it's good how it is.

4299
02:21:45.500 --> 02:21:47.500
Well, you,

4300
02:21:47.500 --> 02:21:48.500
even as a united friend,

4301
02:21:48.500 --> 02:21:50.500
you brought so much to the Premier League

4302
02:21:50.500 --> 02:21:51.500
that it was,

4303
02:21:51.500 --> 02:21:52.500
it was weirdly sad,

4304
02:21:52.500 --> 02:21:53.500
also very happy,

4305
02:21:53.500 --> 02:21:55.500
when you decided that you were going to leave.

4306
02:21:55.500 --> 02:21:57.500
I felt two feelings at the same time.

4307
02:21:57.500 --> 02:21:58.500
I felt very, very happy

4308
02:21:58.500 --> 02:22:00.500
that this was this Liverpool era

4309
02:22:00.500 --> 02:22:01.500
in my view was over,

4310
02:22:01.500 --> 02:22:02.500
because I thought there's no way

4311
02:22:02.500 --> 02:22:04.500
you leaving

4312
02:22:04.500 --> 02:22:05.500
that you're more than just a manager,

4313
02:22:05.500 --> 02:22:07.500
you're the spirit of the city,

4314
02:22:07.500 --> 02:22:08.500
you're the spirit of the fan base.

4315
02:22:08.500 --> 02:22:10.500
You're actually sort of personify

4316
02:22:10.500 --> 02:22:11.500
the Liverpool fan base

4317
02:22:11.500 --> 02:22:12.500
in my mind,

4318
02:22:12.500 --> 02:22:13.500
extremely passionate,

4319
02:22:13.500 --> 02:22:14.500
all in togetherness,

4320
02:22:14.500 --> 02:22:16.500
and as, you know,

4321
02:22:16.500 --> 02:22:17.500
your former,

4322
02:22:17.500 --> 02:22:18.500
I think he was your chairman

4323
02:22:18.500 --> 02:22:19.500
or owner of mine said,

4324
02:22:19.500 --> 02:22:20.500
you did,

4325
02:22:20.500 --> 02:22:21.500
you brought the team together,

4326
02:22:21.500 --> 02:22:23.500
you then brought the city together,

4327
02:22:23.500 --> 02:22:24.500
and that had a profound impact,

4328
02:22:24.500 --> 02:22:25.500
both on Liverpool,

4329
02:22:25.500 --> 02:22:26.500
but also on the Premier League,

4330
02:22:26.500 --> 02:22:28.500
and on my enjoyment

4331
02:22:28.500 --> 02:22:29.500
and my misery

4332
02:22:29.500 --> 02:22:30.500
as a rival fan,

4333
02:22:30.500 --> 02:22:32.500
and that's a really, really remarkable thing.

4334
02:22:32.500 --> 02:22:34.500
You've also inspired me

4335
02:22:34.500 --> 02:22:35.500
as a lot on a personal level as a leader.

4336
02:22:35.500 --> 02:22:37.500
Just about, you know,

4337
02:22:37.500 --> 02:22:38.500
everything you said there about

4338
02:22:38.500 --> 02:22:40.500
how important it is to focus

4339
02:22:40.500 --> 02:22:42.500
equally on the people

4340
02:22:42.500 --> 02:22:43.500
and the team

4341
02:22:43.500 --> 02:22:44.500
and the togetherness,

4342
02:22:44.500 --> 02:22:45.500
and not just on the tactics

4343
02:22:45.500 --> 02:22:46.500
and the strategy

4344
02:22:46.500 --> 02:22:47.500
and how passion can be

4345
02:22:47.500 --> 02:22:48.500
and wonderful accelerant

4346
02:22:48.500 --> 02:22:49.500
for performance

4347
02:22:49.500 --> 02:22:52.500
and for feeling like this is special,

4348
02:22:52.500 --> 02:22:53.500
and that's something

4349
02:22:53.500 --> 02:22:54.500
that I think you've personified

4350
02:22:54.500 --> 02:22:55.500
as a leader.

4351
02:22:55.500 --> 02:22:56.500
We, um,

4352
02:22:56.500 --> 02:22:58.500
we have a closing tradition

4353
02:22:58.500 --> 02:22:59.500
on this podcast,

4354
02:22:59.500 --> 02:23:00.500
where the last guest leaves a question

4355
02:23:00.500 --> 02:23:01.500
for the next guest,

4356
02:23:01.500 --> 02:23:03.500
not knowing who they're leaving it for.

4357
02:23:03.500 --> 02:23:04.500
Oh.

4358
02:23:04.500 --> 02:23:05.500
And the question...

4359
02:23:05.500 --> 02:23:06.500
Oh, there's for me, not a message.

4360
02:23:06.500 --> 02:23:07.500
Yes.

4361
02:23:07.500 --> 02:23:09.500
Oh, question that's been left

4362
02:23:09.500 --> 02:23:10.500
for you.

4363
02:23:12.500 --> 02:23:14.500
As you look back on your career,

4364
02:23:16.500 --> 02:23:17.500
is there a particular moment,

4365
02:23:17.500 --> 02:23:19.500
a particular conversation,

4366
02:23:19.500 --> 02:23:20.500
a particular day,

4367
02:23:22.500 --> 02:23:23.500
that if you could,

4368
02:23:23.500 --> 02:23:24.500
you would go back and change,

4369
02:23:24.500 --> 02:23:26.500
or say something

4370
02:23:26.500 --> 02:23:29.500
you wish you had said.

4371
02:23:29.500 --> 02:23:30.500
I honestly,

4372
02:23:30.500 --> 02:23:32.500
the problem is,

4373
02:23:34.500 --> 02:23:36.500
I would probably say no.

4374
02:23:36.500 --> 02:23:37.500
I don't...

4375
02:23:37.500 --> 02:23:38.500
I wouldn't go back

4376
02:23:38.500 --> 02:23:40.500
and try to change it

4377
02:23:40.500 --> 02:23:42.500
because it wouldn't have a big impact.

4378
02:23:42.500 --> 02:23:44.500
The situations we had,

4379
02:23:44.500 --> 02:23:46.500
the big situations,

4380
02:23:46.500 --> 02:23:48.500
I could influence

4381
02:23:48.500 --> 02:23:49.500
with the things I said,

4382
02:23:49.500 --> 02:23:51.500
the specific moments

4383
02:23:51.500 --> 02:23:53.500
which were then decisive,

4384
02:23:53.500 --> 02:23:55.500
you just stand there

4385
02:23:55.500 --> 02:23:56.500
and watch.

4386
02:23:56.500 --> 02:23:57.500
Aguero,

4387
02:23:57.500 --> 02:23:58.500
and...

4388
02:23:58.500 --> 02:23:59.500
or not,

4389
02:23:59.500 --> 02:24:00.500
and it's the same problem

4390
02:24:00.500 --> 02:24:01.500
with the United Jew

4391
02:24:01.500 --> 02:24:02.500
or whatever things

4392
02:24:02.500 --> 02:24:03.500
that he's called,

4393
02:24:03.500 --> 02:24:04.500
the ball goes in,

4394
02:24:04.500 --> 02:24:05.500
or the ball is over the line

4395
02:24:05.500 --> 02:24:07.500
for 11 minutes or not.

4396
02:24:07.500 --> 02:24:09.500
That has nothing to do with what I say.

4397
02:24:09.500 --> 02:24:10.500
Would I wish

4398
02:24:10.500 --> 02:24:11.500
if I could go there

4399
02:24:11.500 --> 02:24:13.500
and give it a little push?

4400
02:24:13.500 --> 02:24:14.500
Yes.

4401
02:24:14.500 --> 02:24:16.500
Would I wish

4402
02:24:16.500 --> 02:24:17.500
James Madison

4403
02:24:17.500 --> 02:24:18.500
would block the shot

4404
02:24:18.500 --> 02:24:19.500
of Vincent Company

4405
02:24:19.500 --> 02:24:21.500
that he cannot score the goal

4406
02:24:21.500 --> 02:24:22.500
against Leicester?

4407
02:24:22.500 --> 02:24:23.500
Yes.

4408
02:24:23.500 --> 02:24:24.500
But it had nothing to do

4409
02:24:24.500 --> 02:24:25.500
with what I said.

4410
02:24:25.500 --> 02:24:27.500
And so,

4411
02:24:27.500 --> 02:24:28.500
the things I said,

4412
02:24:28.500 --> 02:24:30.500
I said in the moment

4413
02:24:30.500 --> 02:24:33.500
for the right reasons.

4414
02:24:33.500 --> 02:24:35.500
And sometimes they had the impact

4415
02:24:35.500 --> 02:24:37.500
I wished

4416
02:24:37.500 --> 02:24:38.500
and wanted

4417
02:24:38.500 --> 02:24:42.500
and sometimes not.

4418
02:24:42.500 --> 02:24:43.500
Yeah.

4419
02:24:43.500 --> 02:24:44.500
I had to accept that.

4420
02:24:44.500 --> 02:24:45.500
That was the other thing

4421
02:24:45.500 --> 02:24:46.500
that I'm

4422
02:24:46.500 --> 02:24:47.500
Jamie Carrick-Rost.

4423
02:24:47.500 --> 02:24:48.500
He said,

4424
02:24:48.500 --> 02:24:49.500
Oh, when you see,

4425
02:24:49.500 --> 02:24:50.500
when you see Clark,

4426
02:24:50.500 --> 02:24:51.500
ask him how he feels about

4427
02:24:51.500 --> 02:24:52.500
his former system manager,

4428
02:24:52.500 --> 02:24:53.500
Pep Lingus,

4429
02:24:53.500 --> 02:24:56.500
going to work at Manchester City.

4430
02:24:56.500 --> 02:24:57.500
Absolutely.

4431
02:24:57.500 --> 02:24:58.500
No problem.

4432
02:24:58.500 --> 02:24:59.500
I like it.

4433
02:24:59.500 --> 02:25:00.500
I like both peps.

4434
02:25:00.500 --> 02:25:01.500
That's how it is.

4435
02:25:01.500 --> 02:25:02.500
No problem

4436
02:25:02.500 --> 02:25:04.500
with that.

4437
02:25:04.500 --> 02:25:05.500
I work together

4438
02:25:05.500 --> 02:25:06.500
with Pep Lingus.

4439
02:25:06.500 --> 02:25:07.500
He was an inspiration

4440
02:25:07.500 --> 02:25:08.500
for me every day

4441
02:25:08.500 --> 02:25:09.500
when we work together.

4442
02:25:09.500 --> 02:25:10.500
Absolutely.

4443
02:25:10.500 --> 02:25:11.500
Every day,

4444
02:25:11.500 --> 02:25:12.500
I learned a lot

4445
02:25:12.500 --> 02:25:13.500
from him.

4446
02:25:13.500 --> 02:25:14.500
And Pep Guardiola,

4447
02:25:14.500 --> 02:25:15.500
I couldn't respect

4448
02:25:15.500 --> 02:25:17.500
the manager more.

4449
02:25:17.500 --> 02:25:19.500
And when they asked me,

4450
02:25:19.500 --> 02:25:20.500
like,

4451
02:25:20.500 --> 02:25:21.500
a bit,

4452
02:25:21.500 --> 02:25:22.500
what do you think,

4453
02:25:22.500 --> 02:25:23.500
can we?

4454
02:25:23.500 --> 02:25:24.500
Of course, you can.

4455
02:25:24.500 --> 02:25:25.500
Pep Lingus said,

4456
02:25:25.500 --> 02:25:26.500
come on,

4457
02:25:26.500 --> 02:25:27.500
find a guy who worked

4458
02:25:27.500 --> 02:25:28.500
together with Pep Lingus

4459
02:25:28.500 --> 02:25:29.500
and Pep Guardiola

4460
02:25:29.500 --> 02:25:30.500
and June Club.

4461
02:25:30.500 --> 02:25:31.500
Oh,

4462
02:25:31.500 --> 02:25:33.500
I would read the book.

4463
02:25:33.500 --> 02:25:36.500
And yeah,

4464
02:25:36.500 --> 02:25:37.500
and Pep knew exactly,

4465
02:25:37.500 --> 02:25:38.500
and Guardiola knew exactly

4466
02:25:38.500 --> 02:25:39.500
what he was looking for.

4467
02:25:39.500 --> 02:25:40.500
Yeah, he wanted to, you know,

4468
02:25:40.500 --> 02:25:41.500
everyone,

4469
02:25:41.500 --> 02:25:42.500
exactly this kind of

4470
02:25:42.500 --> 02:25:45.500
spark fire

4471
02:25:45.500 --> 02:25:46.500
from,

4472
02:25:46.500 --> 02:25:47.500
and Pep has that,

4473
02:25:47.500 --> 02:25:49.500
Pep blinders

4474
02:25:49.500 --> 02:25:51.500
has that he's

4475
02:25:51.500 --> 02:25:53.500
an extreme

4476
02:25:53.500 --> 02:25:54.500
well of,

4477
02:25:54.500 --> 02:25:55.500
of energy.

4478
02:25:55.500 --> 02:25:56.500
And so I'm happy

4479
02:25:56.500 --> 02:25:57.500
for them both.

4480
02:25:57.500 --> 02:25:58.500
We're playing you guys

4481
02:25:58.500 --> 02:26:00.500
this week, this weekend,

4482
02:26:00.500 --> 02:26:01.500
on Sunday.

4483
02:26:01.500 --> 02:26:02.500
What?

4484
02:26:02.500 --> 02:26:03.500
Manchester?

4485
02:26:03.500 --> 02:26:04.500
No.

4486
02:26:04.500 --> 02:26:05.500
Manchester United Liverpool

4487
02:26:05.500 --> 02:26:06.500
this Sunday.

4488
02:26:06.500 --> 02:26:07.500
You didn't know.

4489
02:26:07.500 --> 02:26:08.500
It's an amfield.

4490
02:26:08.500 --> 02:26:09.500
It's a Premier League.

4491
02:26:09.500 --> 02:26:10.500
Donnie.

4492
02:26:10.500 --> 02:26:11.500
That's crazy that you don't know.

4493
02:26:11.500 --> 02:26:12.500
Yeah, yeah.

4494
02:26:12.500 --> 02:26:13.500
But hopefully after,

4495
02:26:13.500 --> 02:26:14.500
so they all come out just

4496
02:26:14.500 --> 02:26:15.500
after that.

4497
02:26:15.500 --> 02:26:16.500
So I'm hoping that's

4498
02:26:16.500 --> 02:26:17.500
four losses.

4499
02:26:17.500 --> 02:26:18.500
Oh, we come after that.

4500
02:26:18.500 --> 02:26:19.500
Yeah.

4501
02:26:19.500 --> 02:26:20.500
Where do we go?

4502
02:26:20.500 --> 02:26:21.500
Hopefully the day after,

4503
02:26:21.500 --> 02:26:22.500
but we'll see.

4504
02:26:22.500 --> 02:26:24.500
So hopefully this is your

4505
02:26:24.500 --> 02:26:25.500
fourth,

4506
02:26:25.500 --> 02:26:27.500
Liverpool's fourth loss in a row.

4507
02:26:27.500 --> 02:26:29.500
And the fan base

4508
02:26:29.500 --> 02:26:30.500
are growing increasingly

4509
02:26:30.500 --> 02:26:31.500
inpatient and they're

4510
02:26:31.500 --> 02:26:32.500
annoyed and

4511
02:26:32.500 --> 02:26:33.500
Amaroom is now one,

4512
02:26:33.500 --> 02:26:35.500
another game in a row.

4513
02:26:35.500 --> 02:26:36.500
So this conversation

4514
02:26:36.500 --> 02:26:37.500
will come out straight after.

4515
02:26:37.500 --> 02:26:38.500
Well.

4516
02:26:38.500 --> 02:26:40.500
Now,

4517
02:26:40.500 --> 02:26:42.500
we've played an amfield.

4518
02:26:42.500 --> 02:26:43.500
Yeah.

4519
02:26:43.500 --> 02:26:44.500
No, good luck.

4520
02:26:44.500 --> 02:26:45.500
They have to strike back,

4521
02:26:45.500 --> 02:26:46.500
yeah?

4522
02:26:46.500 --> 02:26:47.500
You know?

4523
02:26:47.500 --> 02:26:48.500
I mean,

4524
02:26:48.500 --> 02:26:49.500
it's never a good situation.

4525
02:26:49.500 --> 02:26:50.500
Yeah.

4526
02:26:50.500 --> 02:26:51.500
You know,

4527
02:26:51.500 --> 02:26:52.500
the two days ago,

4528
02:26:52.500 --> 02:26:53.500
so it's just in the morning

4529
02:26:53.500 --> 02:26:54.500
I got pretty good in the morning.

4530
02:26:54.500 --> 02:26:55.500
So I throw on YouTube

4531
02:26:55.500 --> 02:26:56.500
and have a look.

4532
02:26:56.500 --> 02:26:57.500
And it shows me

4533
02:26:57.500 --> 02:26:59.500
behind the scenes footage

4534
02:26:59.500 --> 02:27:00.500
from the 7-0.

4535
02:27:00.500 --> 02:27:01.500
The 7-0?

4536
02:27:01.500 --> 02:27:02.500
Oh, gosh.

4537
02:27:02.500 --> 02:27:03.500
Yeah, yeah.

4538
02:27:03.500 --> 02:27:04.500
I never saw that.

4539
02:27:04.500 --> 02:27:05.500
I never saw it.

4540
02:27:06.500 --> 02:27:07.500
I never saw it.

4541
02:27:07.500 --> 02:27:08.500
But it's like the 7-0.

4542
02:27:08.500 --> 02:27:09.500
Obviously, I know the goals

4543
02:27:09.500 --> 02:27:10.500
and stuff.

4544
02:27:10.500 --> 02:27:11.500
But it's the camera difference

4545
02:27:11.500 --> 02:27:12.500
in the stance.

4546
02:27:12.500 --> 02:27:13.500
It's really good.

4547
02:27:13.500 --> 02:27:14.500
So, okay.

4548
02:27:14.500 --> 02:27:15.500
Fine.

4549
02:27:15.500 --> 02:27:16.500
I bought you at 19 minutes.

4550
02:27:16.500 --> 02:27:17.500
Really good.

4551
02:27:17.500 --> 02:27:18.500
So all the goals again.

4552
02:27:18.500 --> 02:27:19.500
And you see players

4553
02:27:19.500 --> 02:27:20.500
in the dressing room,

4554
02:27:20.500 --> 02:27:21.500
although we're 18 to the dressing room.

4555
02:27:21.500 --> 02:27:22.500
Really good.

4556
02:27:22.500 --> 02:27:23.500
Go next day.

4557
02:27:23.500 --> 02:27:24.500
I open.

4558
02:27:24.500 --> 02:27:25.500
And because I've been

4559
02:27:25.500 --> 02:27:26.500
you know how it is with the algorithm.

4560
02:27:26.500 --> 02:27:28.500
Now, I see the 5-0

4561
02:27:28.500 --> 02:27:30.500
at

4562
02:27:30.500 --> 02:27:31.500
Manchester.

4563
02:27:31.500 --> 02:27:32.500
So,

4564
02:27:32.500 --> 02:27:33.500
and what's that?

4565
02:27:33.500 --> 02:27:34.500
I'm here and had no clue

4566
02:27:34.500 --> 02:27:35.500
that you are Manchester United fans.

4567
02:27:35.500 --> 02:27:37.500
So, I was really well prepared

4568
02:27:37.500 --> 02:27:38.500
for that talk.

4569
02:27:38.500 --> 02:27:39.500
I have to say.

4570
02:27:39.500 --> 02:27:40.500
Yeah.

4571
02:27:42.500 --> 02:27:43.500
Without knowing.

4572
02:27:43.500 --> 02:27:44.500
Yeah.

4573
02:27:44.500 --> 02:27:45.500
Damn.

4574
02:27:45.500 --> 02:27:46.500
Yeah.

4575
02:27:46.500 --> 02:27:47.500
Thank you so much, Ergen.

4576
02:27:47.500 --> 02:27:48.500
Thank you for taking the time.

4577
02:27:48.500 --> 02:27:49.500
Thank you for being an inspiration to me.

4578
02:27:49.500 --> 02:27:50.500
But also thank you for all that you brought

4579
02:27:50.500 --> 02:27:51.500
to the North West and to Liverpool.

4580
02:27:51.500 --> 02:27:52.500
Sure.

4581
02:27:52.500 --> 02:27:53.500
Thanks.

4582
02:27:53.500 --> 02:27:54.500
A welcome.

4583
02:27:54.500 --> 02:27:55.500
It was my pleasure.

4584
02:27:55.500 --> 02:27:56.500
Honestly, thank you so much.

4585
02:27:56.500 --> 02:27:58.500
And I've learnt so much from you as a leader

4586
02:27:58.500 --> 02:27:59.500
and also as a man.

4587
02:27:59.500 --> 02:28:00.500
And in the lead up to this,

4588
02:28:00.500 --> 02:28:01.500
I spoke to so many people around you

4589
02:28:01.500 --> 02:28:02.500
that have worked with you.

4590
02:28:02.500 --> 02:28:03.500
I come back to Jordan Henderson.

4591
02:28:03.500 --> 02:28:04.500
I spoke to

4592
02:28:04.500 --> 02:28:06.500
Karaga who knows you through various people.

4593
02:28:06.500 --> 02:28:07.500
I think he managed him for one game.

4594
02:28:07.500 --> 02:28:08.500
He said,

4595
02:28:08.500 --> 02:28:09.500
Yeah.

4596
02:28:09.500 --> 02:28:10.500
Yeah.

4597
02:28:10.500 --> 02:28:11.500
And Australia game.

4598
02:28:11.500 --> 02:28:12.500
And they all said the same thing.

4599
02:28:12.500 --> 02:28:13.500
They all said that you're the same man

4600
02:28:13.500 --> 02:28:14.500
on and off the camera.

4601
02:28:14.500 --> 02:28:15.500
You're a person that brings people together.

4602
02:28:15.500 --> 02:28:16.500
You're extremely likable.

4603
02:28:16.500 --> 02:28:17.500
But

4604
02:28:17.500 --> 02:28:18.500
you have high standards

4605
02:28:18.500 --> 02:28:19.500
and are an incredibly passionate person.

4606
02:28:19.500 --> 02:28:20.500
And that,

4607
02:28:20.500 --> 02:28:22.500
the narrative was consistently

4608
02:28:22.500 --> 02:28:25.500
here's the same man on and off camera.

4609
02:28:25.500 --> 02:28:26.500
This is a credit to yourself.

4610
02:28:26.500 --> 02:28:28.500
And no wonder why people were willing to walk

4611
02:28:28.500 --> 02:28:29.500
through fire with you.

4612
02:28:29.500 --> 02:28:30.500
Yeah.

4613
02:28:30.500 --> 02:28:31.500
Yeah.

4614
02:28:31.500 --> 02:28:32.500
It's incredible what you've accomplished.

4615
02:28:32.500 --> 02:28:33.500
And I hope

4616
02:28:33.500 --> 02:28:34.500
selfishly as a football fan,

4617
02:28:34.500 --> 02:28:36.500
I hope we see you back in the game at some point.

4618
02:28:36.500 --> 02:28:37.500
Yeah.

4619
02:28:37.500 --> 02:28:38.500
Maybe real Madrid or Manchester.

4620
02:28:38.500 --> 02:28:39.500
You know, whatever.

4621
02:28:39.500 --> 02:28:40.500
We never know.

4622
02:28:40.500 --> 02:28:41.500
We never know.

4623
02:28:41.500 --> 02:28:42.500
Thank you so much.

4624
02:29:00.500 --> 02:29:03.500
You