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We're welcome back to the way you came, Pokkars.

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Guys, we're at Big Church.

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Just safe one.

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I know.

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It's so good, right?

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It's my first time.

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So I'm soaking it all up.

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This is your first time at Big Church.

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Yeah, my first time.

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OK.

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Wow, Big first time as well on the Pokkars.

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I know, I know.

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Thank you very much for having me.

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Yes.

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OK, well, I'm Danielle.

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This is Jessie.

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We are here with Swazie today.

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We're so excited to chat to her.

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Could you give us maybe a little intro?

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Like, who are you?

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What do you do?

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Quite abstract, to be honest.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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What do I do?

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I'm a radio presenter at Radio 1 and Radio 1 Extra.

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And also BBC Radio 4.

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Shads goes out to Miriam with my producer in the show.

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Yeah.

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We're in the middle of doing lots of things.

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What kind of Christmas can you believe in August?

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So, yeah, spoiler alert.

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But my name is Swazie.

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I'm a Christian.

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I love Jesus.

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I've became a Christian at 14 years old.

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My mum and dad are not Christians.

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We're here in Christian 14.

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And, yeah, just always trying to be like,

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where is the gospel opportunity?

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Where is the gospel moment in all of things of work and life

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and everything?

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So, yeah, what a joy to be joined on the podcast stage

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with you guys as well.

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So, thank you for having me.

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Yeah, we're so excited.

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And, yeah, so you work in the entertainment space, radio space.

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What is that like?

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Like, what?

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Give us some tea.

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Let me tell you for the girlies in the room, yeah.

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Don't do your liquid eyeliner at 4.30 in the morning

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because if you do a breakfast show,

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that eyeliner will not be there when your show starts.

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So, I do BBC Radio 1 extra on Saturday mornings

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from 7 to 10 a.m.

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and then BBC Radio 1 on Sunday mornings from 6 to 7.

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But, I'm actually doing the live lounge show on Monday coming.

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So, 10 to 2 if anyone's up early, come and lock in.

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So, we do daily service and Sunday worship on Radio 4.

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So, yeah, Radio has been live for like the best of five years.

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I started over at Kiss.

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So, Charles goes out to kiss a firm back in the day.

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Kiss is where my, where I started.

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That's good.

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I want a competition to get into radio by fluke.

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I was like, guys, I'm a fraud.

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I'm actually a fraud.

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And they said, yeah, we're going to give you the breakfast show

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on Saturday mornings.

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And so, that's where I kind of started in radio.

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And, yeah, I got grace.

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Landed Radio 1 and Radio 1 action now.

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So, it's been good.

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That's a lot.

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That's so good.

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You're so busy.

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So, literally, the calendar's full.

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I think it would be great.

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So, maybe touch on how do you, I guess,

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figure out what you want to do, right?

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I mean, we're in a world where there are so many jobs out there.

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And we all want to live out our calling, right?

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Like, as Christians, calling is such an important thing to us.

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How did you wrestle with that?

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Like, how did you know that you wanted to go down the radio path?

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Like, did God help you in that process?

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Like, what was that like, figuring out what your,

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I guess, career or calling is?

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Big question, big, big question.

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And so, I became a Christian for a youth group.

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Charles goes out to Blueprint Youth in CTK's church

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in Elford, in East London.

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And, I don't know, my testimony is not the most obvious,

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but I got caught shoplifting,

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which is of all the things that get caught doing.

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I was like, bro, I'm actually good at this as well.

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Was it a lot of stuff, or was it?

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Do you know what?

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I was a humble baby girl.

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Just shoplifting from Clare's accessories.

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It wasn't anything.

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I should have gone for the gold, guys.

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I should have gone for the gold.

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It's important.

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It is important, do you know what I mean?

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So, when I got caught, I was actually like,

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oh my gosh, like, the guy has closed the doors,

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the police are on their way.

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My mom's on a Caribbean.

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This is not going to end well.

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I just said, God, if you're real, get me out of this situation.

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I won't shoplift, so I'll follow you

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for the rest of my life.

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Well, God, who bearing in mind, I don't know,

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have never met, never heard of.

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And as I said, amen, the shopkeeper just said, go.

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So, I was like, oh, maybe God, maybe there is a God.

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Maybe you did hear my prayer, went to a service

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that following Friday to a youth service,

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and loads of young people were going to the front saying,

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this is my testimony.

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Jesus has given me peace over this,

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or given me freedom over this,

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or I know Jesus, because He died in His rose again,

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and this gospel was like, oh my, it was real, it was tangible.

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And so, got plugged in, became a Christian,

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and then I didn't know hosting was a job,

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but every other Friday, they'd be like,

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right, so I was, go up and do the five minute announcement.

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We're going to start in five minutes,

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and then next week was like, right, we've got a special guest.

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So, I was just giving them a round of applause.

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Can you do five questions?

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And before I knew it, I was falling into a hosting role

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without even really knowing this is what hosting is.

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And so, yeah, like, as with any youth group,

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you go and do other bits with other youth groups,

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and then you're the one interviewing their guests.

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And so, good as so kind to just help me host,

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and just help it start very organically.

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And then, yeah, it was in basketball journalism,

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whereas where I met my husband, I know,

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I'm six foot on Zoom, just in case anyone was a,

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and I'm six foot on the camera,

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but obviously when you're meeting these seven foot six foot basketball players

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and just doing loads of interviews, it was a real good time

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and then changed into radio.

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So, yeah, career changes along the way,

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but from the beginning, just didn't know hosting was a thing,

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and so that's how I got into it.

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And how long has it been in radio for, and in hosting?

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So, obviously, youth groups started, but how long has it been?

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Yeah, I think, I don't know.

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2014, I became a Christian, so I was sighted hosting from that youth group,

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and then won the Kiss Competition in 2016.

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So, it's coming up to like nine years, which is insane.

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And this is from a baby girl audition

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to being like, I don't know what I'm doing,

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and then they give you the call to say,

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you've made the top 20 academy, and you're like,

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then I have to actually be honest and say,

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I don't have any sort of background in radio,

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but you learn all these things along the way.

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And isn't it interesting that as a Christian,

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you almost have this gear change of like loving people well,

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listening well, wanting to talk to people,

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and that is what radio is, you're just sat with a microphone

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across the room from someone else,

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wanting to get their story, wanting to hear them out,

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and play in some good music in between.

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So, yeah, that's a long, short story of it.

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So roughly 11 years been a Christian,

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which is so cool, that's such a long time, that's amazing.

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And then nine years doing radio,

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I'm gathering the UR Christian now,

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considering we're a big church fest,

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and we're talking about God,

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but also, you know, when you start describing,

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going into radio, you're like,

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don't wear eyeliner, because you're going to be cramped,

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like you're going to have to wipe it off.

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It's not an easy industry, it's not an easy place,

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whether you're a Christian or a non-Christian.

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And I guess, how have you found bringing Jesus

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into a hard workplace, a hard school place, a hard,

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for lots of people, we're all going to be in different

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backgrounds, different places,

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and the one thing that's quite similar

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is that we all have places in our life

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that are actually really tricky.

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They're actually pretty dark, and actually just make us cry

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all the time.

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Like, how do you navigate bringing Jesus

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into those hard spaces?

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Anything practical that we could go from.

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Yeah, let me give you the good story,

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and then the story of that is like,

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oh my gosh, this is actually what it means

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to be a Christian in this industry.

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So the good story, oh, those are good stories,

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but one recent story is, we did the Easter show,

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Shalson River, and we did the Easter show

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for one extra not too long ago.

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April just gone, and you know, we've got so many guests,

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so many people sharing their fav, sharing voice notes

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of what Easter means to them,

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or what it means to be a Christian.

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And my other, the other radio presenter, Nick Bright,

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he's on one extra on 10 o'clock in the morning.

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He's after me.

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So he said during Easter time, oh, Swaz,

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what's the best time to eat your Easter egg?

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And in my heart of art, oh Lord,

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this is the Ali-Oop of Ali-Oop Easter.

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This is where we need to go.

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I said, well, surely, the best thing to eat your Easter egg

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is on a Sunday morning.

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Because if Jesus died on the Friday,

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and he rose again, and defeated death,

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defeated the grave on the Sunday, that's new life.

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That's what we get excited about being a Christian.

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Surely new life, eggs, they symbolize new life,

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the best time to eat your Easter egg

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is on a Sunday morning.

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This guy got a gospel real quick, you know?

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I was like, Lord, thank you, thank you so much

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for the opportunity, but you do look for like,

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these little ends, because if you overlook those things,

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you often then find, oh, I didn't talk about Jesus at all.

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And to not talk about Jesus on Easter Saturday,

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Easter Sunday, Easter Monday, why miss the opportunity?

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Why miss it?

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Why not grab it with both hands?

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So those are some of the stories.

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A not too great story was, I used to host a show

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for four music and kiss.

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And at the time, Little Nas X had released a song.

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I can't remember, I think it's called me Montero, I think.

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And alongside the song, he had released a shoe line

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with a drop of blood in 666 shoes.

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And the devil was working on Jesus,

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and Jesus is working on the, is very like graphic.

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And so I said to my boss, I'm a Christian,

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this is offensive, I can't play this song in good faith.

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And his turn back and was like, why?

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Why is the gospel so important to you?

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I said, not why is the gospel so important to me?

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Let's go, let's go.

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Sitting on Zoom, right?

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Well, the gospel is, Jesus is defeated, Satan.

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He's not working on Satan, there's no equality here.

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Jesus is king, there is no equality whatsoever.

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Don't get it twisted.

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So I can't go on radio and pretend

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that there is a battle struggle.

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No, no, no, no, we know who's won.

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The story ends and he has won.

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And so by God's grace alone, they said, that makes sense.

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Can you believe a whole kiss is saying to me,

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that makes sense, we can take the song out of your show.

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I was like, praise the Lord.

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Praise the Lord.

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But channel four, well, let me not say channel four.

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This is really on a whole podcast that's being recorded.

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Not channel four, full music.

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They came back and said, well, given that you can't play this song

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and this is a war against your mental health.

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I said, my mental health, my mental health is fine.

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They said, yeah, you must have mental health issues

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then if you can't play this song.

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And on top of that, if you can't do it, you can't do the show.

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And so I lost the show.

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I lost the show because I couldn't play this song in good faith

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as a Christian and not bow to the cultures like,

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oh, it's fine, everything is fine, it's not fine.

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And actually, following Jesus often means

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letting go of things that cost you.

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And before I stand towards Jesus,

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I don't want to get to Him and be like, oh, Lord,

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I could have played all these songs.

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And let me not get to it, the industry is wild.

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Of course you're playing wild songs all the time.

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But for anything that directly opposes Jesus' kingness

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or his sovereignty or his power, I just can't do it.

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And so, yeah, I lost the show.

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And the whole room was a bit like, she's weird.

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How does she have a problem with that?

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But let me just encourage you,

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don't be afraid to lose things and gain Christ.

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Don't be afraid to lose things and gain Christ.

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Sometimes in this industry, you're just going to have to say,

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you know what, I'd rather lose this to hold Jesus's hand

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and that is far, far better than having a show

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on whatever platform, because that's more glory

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for his name, I think.

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That's so good.

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And also, just to add to that, sometimes we

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want to control everything.

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Or sometimes we're just like, God, I need provision.

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I need stability, I need all these different things.

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And we forget that God is in control.

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God knows what we need ahead of when we need it.

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And in those moments where it's like, I have to pick between this thing

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that's being presented to me or my faith

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and I might not have anything in this, what do I pick?

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We have to remember that God looks after us.

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Like he actually wants to take care of us,

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especially if we're walking in purpose,

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if we're walking in calling.

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And if we're standing up for him, in those moments,

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he will not let us down.

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So that was so inspiring to me.

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Another question I had off the back of that

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was in the workplace, it's quite like a bit self-centered

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like self-pleasing, like you were talking about how

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when you started doing presenting stuff at church,

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it was about connecting with people,

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speaking into people, just uplifting,

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it's very outward focus, whereas the workplace

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can be very much like, do what's best for the company,

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climb the career ladder, what's good for me?

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How do you, as a Christian, especially the entertainment

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radio space, how do you navigate a world

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that's kind of like me focused when you're like,

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actually, it's all about Jesus.

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And I want to love people and serve people.

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How do you navigate that?

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Yeah, that's a great question.

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I think you are constantly fighting an industry

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that is all about your platform and your followers

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and your this, your that.

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And it can easily just drain you.

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Like, how about posted this latest thing?

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How about edited this?

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If Capcom comes to me and you see my drafts in Capcom,

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oh my gosh, I pray that those things will be posted

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before the Lord returns.

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But I just think it's exhausting

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to have to always focus inward.

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And that is the way of the world.

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The world is always going to say,

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it's your name above this thing

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or it's your voice over this person's voice.

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And so the counter cultural thing is to love

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the other person.

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The counter cultural thing is to say,

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okay, so and so you've come into the studio.

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Do you want a cup of tea?

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Actually, let me make that cup of tea for you.

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Let me make the cup of tea for the runner

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who was meant to go and make the cup of tea.

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But let me serve at every point.

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Yeah, serve because the world doesn't serve well.

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If at all, the world has no place for you to say,

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actually, I might be the main person here,

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but I'm gonna humble myself and do the opposite of that.

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And what you find is there are so many good conversations

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that come from that because someone always recognizes,

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oh, that's the girl that made the tea.

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Quick story, we was in, I'm not gonna say the name,

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doing an interview and someone that said to me,

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oh, can you go and get the papers?

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Thinking I was the runner of this show.

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And I was like, oh, no, I'm the guest.

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And she was so mortified, but it's okay.

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Let me go and get the papers.

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Let me go and show you where the exit,

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let me show you all those things

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because the world hasn't actually got the framework for that.

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It's always about your voice and your platform.

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So yeah, sometimes it is just being kind

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and saying the right thing to say in the moment

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and knowing you're not gonna get a thank you for that.

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But the Lord sees, the Lord sees

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and the Lord knows your heart behind it.

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So yeah, serve well in your workplace.

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Don't worry if people see it or don't see it.

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Chances are they do see it actually.

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And it may never tell you about it.

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But yeah, serve well.

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That's brilliant.

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And that's just Jesus, isn't it?

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He was the greatest servant of all.

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Yeah.

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That's what he modeled.

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That's how he demonstrated power.

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How he demonstrated his character was to serve.

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Yeah.

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Yeah, that's so inspiring.

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And one thing I'd love to,

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it's almost going back a little bit,

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but we obviously talked about how you got cut from a show.

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You were proclaiming Jesus

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and you were standing firm with your faith

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and had integrity there,

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which is like amazing and hindsight.

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To be like, oh wow, God has pulled through.

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Look, I'm still going and I'm already a one.

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This is great.

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In the moment, that can feel really tricky.

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And I know a few people in the room even,

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I can see that, I know their own stories

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and I know that as they've gone into school,

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they proclaim their faith somewhere.

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They've been rejected and they're still in it.

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They're not through it.

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They haven't seen this like great triumph.

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God was with you, you overcame it.

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Now you're doing great things.

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It's like, oh no, this is actually really present in my life.

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It's not this high time after a valley.

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I'm stuck in this mud.

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I'm stuck in this valley and I feel rejected.

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I feel alone and I feel sad.

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And what would you encourage yourself in

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when you got cut from Channel 4?

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Like it's great now and hindsight,

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but how did it feel and what would you give

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as a word of encouragement to anyone who's

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in current kind of difficulty around that?

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Where's your gang?

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Where is your church gang?

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You cannot be a Christian and be a loose eye rolling around.

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You need your body.

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You really, really need your body.

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At the top of the year, I said to five girls at church,

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I said, you're my girls.

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You got me, here's the group chat,

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and here's my voice note, it's like,

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pray with me, pray with me about this.

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And then not in the industry, they do other jobs.

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But number one, are you at a local church?

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Do you go to church?

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Have you got good elders?

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Have you got good elders that you go to and say,

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do you know what, brother, I've got this job?

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And actually, I feel conflicted about this.

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Can you pray with me about it?

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Can you give me some counsel about how to go about this?

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Should I just say no to it?

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It's a lot of money, but how am I going to pay my rent?

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Pray with me, what do I do?

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Yeah, get involved in your church.

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Because let me tell you, for those who are at school

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and you're in it,

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when I first became a Christian at school, yeah,

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and I was in year nine, there was this teacher

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called Ms. Bold, and every time Ms. Bold saw me

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at every school, like, assembly, she was like,

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don't share the gospel.

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I was like, yeah, Ms. Bold, no way, Ms. Bold,

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no way, Ms. Bold.

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I used to have a whole school,

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that sounds like a Ms. Bold, doesn't it?

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That sounds Ms. Bold, that sounds like a Ms. Bold.

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And then they'd give me the mark of a lot.

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Higher, 10s, good afternoon.

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I love Jesus, because literally,

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this is why, and you know what,

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so many people from my year group came to my youth church

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and became Christians, so many teachers came to me

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in RE to be like, so what do you believe about,

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and you know what, even though I was in the trenches,

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people would still come and be like,

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why are you a Christian?

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Why have you got so much joy?

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What is the difference about you?

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And so even though you may be in the trenches,

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just know someone is looking at you

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and it does not look like the trenches.

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God's joy, God's presence, God's peace,

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God, the way you trust Him in uncertainty,

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the world has got no substitute for it.

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They've got no substitute,

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so even though it feels dark and dim,

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actually your peace that exceeds all understanding

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can still be true.

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Jesus' presence can still be with you in the classroom,

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can still be with you in the workplace.

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Yeah.

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And so you are a light to the world.

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You know, Jesus had many moments, didn't he,

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where he also felt the same,

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and yet he didn't give up.

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So I just think, don't be afraid to keep on going

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even if you're feeling the rejection.

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I'm not saying it's easy.

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I'm saying that you've got good church family.

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I'll just encourage a new guys

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and the guys on the other podcast.

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You're at big church fest.

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I don't feel like the minority here.

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I'm gonna go to work on Monday.

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It'll probably be like the only Christian in the studio.

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And I'm gonna remember each and every face

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is be like, nah, there's people back in the war, you know?

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There's people going to church on Sunday.

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There's people worshiping the Lord now,

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who if they were within the shoe, they're like,

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there's nothing wrong with her.

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She's the majority here, you're the minority.

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So don't be afraid to keep on stepping out.

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Find your church gang, find your people,

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stay preyed up with your church

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and your local community,

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because that honestly, honestly makes all the difference

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when you hit rock bottom.

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And there's been times, sis, bro, that rock bottom has come.

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But yeah, the saints have held me up.

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Well, it's like, it's re-framing our perception

515
00:18:52.320 --> 00:18:55.200
of what rock bottom is, because I think when,

516
00:18:55.200 --> 00:18:57.120
at least, I can speak personally,

517
00:18:57.120 --> 00:19:01.400
when I've hit rock bottom, when I felt like I'm in a real valley,

518
00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:02.680
like things are really tricky,

519
00:19:02.680 --> 00:19:04.800
but rejected from here, jobs are hard,

520
00:19:04.800 --> 00:19:07.600
or whatever, friendships tricky.

521
00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:09.400
I feel like I'm at my lowest,

522
00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:12.000
but I forget that actually there is this piece,

523
00:19:12.000 --> 00:19:16.400
there is this rock underneath me, and that is Jesus.

524
00:19:16.400 --> 00:19:19.320
I know Jesus, so my lows look like other people's highs.

525
00:19:19.320 --> 00:19:20.160
Yeah, yeah.

526
00:19:20.160 --> 00:19:22.520
Actually, there is this new framework

527
00:19:22.520 --> 00:19:24.960
when you're a Christian that people aren't used to.

528
00:19:24.960 --> 00:19:28.040
And so one of the things I do is disqualify myself

529
00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:29.520
when I'm in a low.

530
00:19:29.520 --> 00:19:31.360
I'm like, oh, I'm actually, you know,

531
00:19:31.360 --> 00:19:34.520
I'm probably at my lowest, so God can't use me here.

532
00:19:34.520 --> 00:19:36.560
I'll wait till I'm back in my high,

533
00:19:36.560 --> 00:19:38.800
and then I can step out in more like faith,

534
00:19:38.800 --> 00:19:41.120
or pray for more people, or be more confident

535
00:19:41.120 --> 00:19:42.480
when I share my faith.

536
00:19:42.480 --> 00:19:44.280
When actually I forget that it's in the lows

537
00:19:44.280 --> 00:19:46.200
that really shine God's glory.

538
00:19:46.200 --> 00:19:50.600
It's in the lows where actually God's love and God's truth

539
00:19:50.600 --> 00:19:53.080
and God's faithfulness is revealed.

540
00:19:53.120 --> 00:19:55.400
It's in those places that actually

541
00:19:55.400 --> 00:19:57.960
I can shine God's peace even brighter.

542
00:19:57.960 --> 00:20:00.720
And so like that, even as a little wound up encouragement

543
00:20:00.720 --> 00:20:02.640
to add to it, it's like if you're in that low,

544
00:20:02.640 --> 00:20:05.320
if you're struggling in school, struggling in work,

545
00:20:05.320 --> 00:20:07.480
even struggling to find friends,

546
00:20:07.480 --> 00:20:09.840
wow, it's in that place of struggle

547
00:20:09.840 --> 00:20:12.560
where God's love loves to shine further,

548
00:20:12.560 --> 00:20:15.400
where God's peace loves to shine further.

549
00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:17.240
And that's a place where you can actually be used

550
00:20:17.240 --> 00:20:18.880
even greater sometimes.

551
00:20:18.880 --> 00:20:22.360
So don't be discouraged, don't let the enemy speak,

552
00:20:22.360 --> 00:20:23.840
which he will do, he'll tell you,

553
00:20:23.840 --> 00:20:25.880
because you're in your low, you can't be used.

554
00:20:25.880 --> 00:20:27.320
It's not true.

555
00:20:27.320 --> 00:20:29.640
Actually, it's in our lows that we can come to God

556
00:20:29.640 --> 00:20:31.320
and be used even greater.

557
00:20:31.320 --> 00:20:34.480
And this in those moments where we can invite God in as well,

558
00:20:34.480 --> 00:20:36.720
like when you're at school at work,

559
00:20:36.720 --> 00:20:39.240
there'll be similar battles or struggles

560
00:20:39.240 --> 00:20:40.640
just in the nature of what you do,

561
00:20:40.640 --> 00:20:43.000
like all your colleagues or all your classmates

562
00:20:43.000 --> 00:20:44.360
will be facing the same pressures,

563
00:20:44.360 --> 00:20:46.400
but because you have Jesus, you're at home,

564
00:20:46.400 --> 00:20:48.280
you're praying, you're inviting Him in,

565
00:20:48.280 --> 00:20:51.080
you have something different that everybody else doesn't have.

566
00:20:51.080 --> 00:20:53.320
And it's in those moments where everyone's going

567
00:20:53.320 --> 00:20:55.720
through the trenches, but what's different about you,

568
00:20:55.720 --> 00:20:57.120
like how are you going through it?

569
00:20:57.120 --> 00:20:59.880
Then you can bring Jesus in and bring them to Jesus as well.

570
00:20:59.880 --> 00:21:02.440
So like when everyone's going through it together,

571
00:21:02.440 --> 00:21:04.160
you stand out, because you have something

572
00:21:04.160 --> 00:21:06.040
that other people are looking for,

573
00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:07.800
like a different kind of stamina,

574
00:21:07.800 --> 00:21:10.080
different kind of positive thinking.

575
00:21:10.080 --> 00:21:11.120
It's not positive thinking,

576
00:21:11.120 --> 00:21:13.040
you're standing on the truth of Jesus.

577
00:21:13.040 --> 00:21:16.000
And it's his strength, like there's something so powerful

578
00:21:16.000 --> 00:21:18.920
about like being the odd one out in those moments,

579
00:21:18.920 --> 00:21:20.440
because you know it's not you,

580
00:21:20.440 --> 00:21:22.960
it's literally Jesus shining through you.

581
00:21:22.960 --> 00:21:25.560
And I just think that's quite incredible.

582
00:21:25.560 --> 00:21:28.480
Also wanted to kind of like shift gears a little bit

583
00:21:28.480 --> 00:21:30.200
and talk about like, maybe like a little bit

584
00:21:30.200 --> 00:21:33.480
about relationships and how do we navigate relationships,

585
00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.320
but also in the workplace where we want to be ambitious,

586
00:21:36.320 --> 00:21:37.960
like we want to be career driven,

587
00:21:37.960 --> 00:21:40.680
like we want to, you know, like achieve, in a sense.

588
00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:43.400
And like you're recently married and that's so cool.

589
00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.600
She's a married girl, you, she's got the ring,

590
00:21:45.600 --> 00:21:49.160
you know, Marie Bame, she has a cheek, I love you.

591
00:21:49.160 --> 00:21:50.640
Yeah, I got married two years ago,

592
00:21:50.640 --> 00:21:54.120
come September this year, so yeah, two years in.

593
00:21:54.120 --> 00:21:56.280
First of all, like how did you guys meet,

594
00:21:56.280 --> 00:21:59.440
but also how did you, I guess kind of navigate,

595
00:21:59.440 --> 00:22:03.360
like pursuing and dating, but also pursuing a career?

596
00:22:03.360 --> 00:22:05.360
And like how do you navigate those two worlds?

597
00:22:05.360 --> 00:22:07.160
How do you, some people might think,

598
00:22:07.160 --> 00:22:09.320
oh, I want to be surrounded by my career,

599
00:22:09.320 --> 00:22:11.640
I'm too busy to date, like I don't have time.

600
00:22:11.640 --> 00:22:13.880
Like how did you make the time, like share a bit

601
00:22:13.880 --> 00:22:14.720
about that story?

602
00:22:14.720 --> 00:22:17.400
Yeah, sure, there are two versions of how we met.

603
00:22:17.400 --> 00:22:20.000
There's my version, and then there's Chico's version.

604
00:22:20.000 --> 00:22:22.480
So let me, let me give you my version.

605
00:22:22.480 --> 00:22:24.800
Chico, I met him through basketball

606
00:22:24.800 --> 00:22:28.240
because I run point, now I'm joking, I don't.

607
00:22:28.240 --> 00:22:30.160
I was the presenter, I want a competition

608
00:22:30.160 --> 00:22:32.640
to be a presenter for a company called Midnight Madness.

609
00:22:32.640 --> 00:22:35.320
And Chico was a player, so he was playing basketball

610
00:22:35.320 --> 00:22:36.640
in the competition.

611
00:22:36.640 --> 00:22:38.640
And so the guy with the camera was like,

612
00:22:38.640 --> 00:22:40.360
go and interview these three guys

613
00:22:40.360 --> 00:22:42.160
and just ask them about the tournament.

614
00:22:42.160 --> 00:22:43.880
And Chico happened to be one of the three,

615
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.720
so that was my story, right?

616
00:22:45.720 --> 00:22:48.000
His story is, you fancied me in it,

617
00:22:48.000 --> 00:22:51.080
you wanted to come in, come in and drop game,

618
00:22:51.080 --> 00:22:52.960
run game on the interview.

619
00:22:52.960 --> 00:22:54.720
I said, no, no, no, no, but I did look from afar,

620
00:22:54.720 --> 00:22:56.160
I thought he's cute, he's cute.

621
00:22:56.160 --> 00:22:58.520
But number one rule, don't date basketball players

622
00:22:58.520 --> 00:23:00.400
because your heart will probably get broken.

623
00:23:00.400 --> 00:23:02.120
And so that was my rule, I'm not trying

624
00:23:02.120 --> 00:23:03.680
to fall in love with a basketball player.

625
00:23:03.680 --> 00:23:06.160
And actually, he was so kind, so sweet.

626
00:23:06.160 --> 00:23:07.960
But of course, we had to keep it professional

627
00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:09.560
because he then later came to work

628
00:23:09.560 --> 00:23:11.480
with the same company I was working with.

629
00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:13.920
And so, yeah, we worked together for a long time.

630
00:23:13.920 --> 00:23:16.600
And I think, what's great about the work environment?

631
00:23:16.600 --> 00:23:20.200
You probably can see every facet of someone's personality

632
00:23:20.200 --> 00:23:21.240
in the workplace, isn't it?

633
00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:22.720
Because you're going to be stressed one day,

634
00:23:22.720 --> 00:23:23.520
you're going to have a high,

635
00:23:23.520 --> 00:23:24.960
because this thing has come through,

636
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:26.520
you're going to have a low waiting for something

637
00:23:26.520 --> 00:23:27.560
to get signed off.

638
00:23:27.560 --> 00:23:31.080
And so working together gave us every like scenario,

639
00:23:31.080 --> 00:23:33.240
really, of seeing him when he was on a high,

640
00:23:33.240 --> 00:23:35.560
to on a low and same for me as well.

641
00:23:36.520 --> 00:23:38.480
And so, yeah, dating wise,

642
00:23:38.480 --> 00:23:39.720
we did keep it very professional

643
00:23:39.720 --> 00:23:41.680
because we didn't want the company to know,

644
00:23:41.680 --> 00:23:44.480
oh, he's going to get through to this round

645
00:23:44.480 --> 00:23:47.320
because his girlfriend is now the presenter.

646
00:23:47.320 --> 00:23:49.840
And so, by that point, he wasn't playing anymore.

647
00:23:49.840 --> 00:23:52.240
And we were cool.

648
00:23:52.240 --> 00:23:53.560
But we go to the same church.

649
00:23:53.560 --> 00:23:55.920
And I think, at the time, we were looking for a church.

650
00:23:55.920 --> 00:23:58.560
And we settled on a church in Brixton,

651
00:23:58.560 --> 00:24:00.680
called Brixton Local Church.

652
00:24:00.680 --> 00:24:03.160
And it was a really small church plant.

653
00:24:03.160 --> 00:24:06.240
And when we joined, it was about 30 members or so.

654
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.360
And I said to you guys, really guys,

655
00:24:08.360 --> 00:24:10.040
it's my brother-in-law's baptism.

656
00:24:10.040 --> 00:24:12.120
Let's go to the baptism and you win.

657
00:24:12.120 --> 00:24:14.760
And this brother was preaching the Word of God.

658
00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:15.720
It was faithful.

659
00:24:15.720 --> 00:24:18.720
It was so inspired by the Holy Spirit.

660
00:24:18.720 --> 00:24:21.320
He said, this is where we're going to plant.

661
00:24:21.320 --> 00:24:22.200
And you know what?

662
00:24:22.200 --> 00:24:23.920
Two weeks after we got there,

663
00:24:23.920 --> 00:24:27.520
the pastor and his wife sadly lost a child.

664
00:24:27.520 --> 00:24:29.400
And it was just like, oh my gosh,

665
00:24:29.400 --> 00:24:31.320
this is not what I expected.

666
00:24:31.320 --> 00:24:34.200
Our church beginning to be together.

667
00:24:34.200 --> 00:24:37.360
And Jane Mariner, praise God for Jane Mariner,

668
00:24:37.360 --> 00:24:38.200
for Julie Mariner.

669
00:24:38.200 --> 00:24:40.800
They said, if you want to see church, come now.

670
00:24:40.800 --> 00:24:42.000
Come now in the suffering.

671
00:24:42.000 --> 00:24:43.360
Come and see what church looks like.

672
00:24:43.360 --> 00:24:45.080
Come and see where God is going to show up.

673
00:24:45.080 --> 00:24:47.680
Between the 30 of us, we did like food rotors.

674
00:24:47.680 --> 00:24:51.120
And we had like a rota for school drop-offs

675
00:24:51.120 --> 00:24:52.000
and everything for the kids.

676
00:24:52.000 --> 00:24:55.320
And I just thought, I said, she go, wow, the body is here.

677
00:24:55.320 --> 00:24:57.080
This is the hands and feet of the church.

678
00:24:57.080 --> 00:24:58.720
Let's get plugged in.

679
00:24:58.720 --> 00:25:02.360
And so for dating, it was today in community.

680
00:25:02.360 --> 00:25:05.360
You know, everything now is so online, isn't it?

681
00:25:05.360 --> 00:25:09.480
And it can be so separate to what church can look like.

682
00:25:09.480 --> 00:25:13.840
But I really do encourage you, date in person in community.

683
00:25:13.840 --> 00:25:15.720
You can absolutely get good recommendations

684
00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:16.560
from your friend.

685
00:25:16.560 --> 00:25:18.120
You can see them in every scenario.

686
00:25:18.120 --> 00:25:20.040
And so make as much time for churches

687
00:25:20.040 --> 00:25:23.440
you do for anything else and bring your person

688
00:25:23.440 --> 00:25:25.280
or hopefully be at the same church together

689
00:25:25.280 --> 00:25:27.000
to be discipled together.

690
00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:29.680
I think there's real wisdom in being at the same church.

691
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:30.680
That's very good.

692
00:25:30.680 --> 00:25:32.600
Guys, the wisdom, like, job,

693
00:25:32.600 --> 00:25:33.600
absolutely.

694
00:25:33.600 --> 00:25:34.600
Absolutely.

695
00:25:34.600 --> 00:25:36.520
It's so good.

696
00:25:36.520 --> 00:25:39.160
But we want to also open it up to you guys

697
00:25:39.160 --> 00:25:41.240
because we've been asking a lot of questions.

698
00:25:41.240 --> 00:25:43.120
But we want to pan it over to you.

699
00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:45.840
So if anybody's got any questions that they want to ask,

700
00:25:45.840 --> 00:25:46.800
just stick a hand out.

701
00:25:46.800 --> 00:25:48.640
We've got a microphone going around.

702
00:25:48.640 --> 00:25:51.240
We would love to hear from what you guys have to say.

703
00:25:51.240 --> 00:25:54.240
So we've got a hand at the back.

704
00:25:54.240 --> 00:25:58.320
If you weren't in podcast, if you weren't in radio,

705
00:25:58.320 --> 00:25:59.960
what would you be doing?

706
00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:02.720
Ooh, this is a great question.

707
00:26:02.720 --> 00:26:05.520
You know what, yeah, I went to go see Hercules in theatre

708
00:26:05.520 --> 00:26:06.520
like a couple of weeks back.

709
00:26:06.520 --> 00:26:07.520
I want to go see them.

710
00:26:07.520 --> 00:26:09.120
I want to be a muse, guys.

711
00:26:09.120 --> 00:26:10.320
I want to be a muse.

712
00:26:10.320 --> 00:26:11.440
I want to have a voice.

713
00:26:11.440 --> 00:26:12.680
I want to, I cannot sing.

714
00:26:12.680 --> 00:26:14.440
That's why in that 10, there's a lot of people there

715
00:26:14.440 --> 00:26:16.200
to drown out my vocals.

716
00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:17.360
You can not hear me.

717
00:26:17.360 --> 00:26:19.400
The Lord gives gifts to some of us.

718
00:26:19.400 --> 00:26:23.320
But I think I do love storytelling.

719
00:26:23.320 --> 00:26:26.760
And I love it because Jesus is the best storyteller ever,

720
00:26:26.760 --> 00:26:28.600
ever, ever, ever unconvinced of it.

721
00:26:28.600 --> 00:26:30.000
I love a Nicodemus story.

722
00:26:30.000 --> 00:26:31.240
He came to him at night.

723
00:26:31.240 --> 00:26:32.720
I was like, bro, you got it all wrong.

724
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:33.840
You think you're smart.

725
00:26:33.840 --> 00:26:35.360
You think you know when it is, bro,

726
00:26:35.360 --> 00:26:36.440
you should know more than this.

727
00:26:36.440 --> 00:26:37.280
It'd be born again.

728
00:26:37.280 --> 00:26:38.720
He's like, how am I going to be born again

729
00:26:38.720 --> 00:26:39.640
to go in my mom again?

730
00:26:39.640 --> 00:26:42.080
He's like, no, bro, like no.

731
00:26:42.080 --> 00:26:44.200
And then what does John 19 tell us?

732
00:26:44.200 --> 00:26:47.520
John 19 tells us that Nicodemus came back and buried Jesus.

733
00:26:47.520 --> 00:26:50.840
He came with all of those, the, the, the, the, the, the, the,

734
00:26:50.840 --> 00:26:53.320
the, the, the, the, the, for Jesus burial.

735
00:26:53.320 --> 00:26:56.240
And so I often think what happened between John three

736
00:26:56.240 --> 00:26:57.840
and John 19?

737
00:26:57.840 --> 00:27:00.760
Nicodemus must have gone on some crazy journey to be like,

738
00:27:00.760 --> 00:27:03.960
this Jesus is not who I expected him to be.

739
00:27:03.960 --> 00:27:07.120
And when you meet Jesus, he isn't what you expect him to be.

740
00:27:07.120 --> 00:27:10.000
And I just give God thanks for the stories that are in the Bible

741
00:27:10.000 --> 00:27:13.400
that then give you so much content on radio and podcasts

742
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:14.680
in conversations.

743
00:27:14.680 --> 00:27:15.200
Yeah.

744
00:27:15.200 --> 00:27:16.880
So I just, yeah, storytelling.

745
00:27:16.880 --> 00:27:20.000
I don't know what, what, where, how, but, yes,

746
00:27:20.000 --> 00:27:21.680
storytelling with a bit of hercules the muse.

747
00:27:21.680 --> 00:27:24.840
I don't know how that can go, but if there's that job,

748
00:27:24.840 --> 00:27:25.840
that's what I'd be.

749
00:27:25.840 --> 00:27:27.120
You could sing the story.

750
00:27:27.480 --> 00:27:28.480
Maybe that's the way.

751
00:27:28.480 --> 00:27:29.200
Amen.

752
00:27:29.200 --> 00:27:29.720
Amen.

753
00:27:29.720 --> 00:27:30.480
Amen.

754
00:27:30.480 --> 00:27:31.080
Amazing.

755
00:27:31.080 --> 00:27:32.320
Any, any other questions?

756
00:27:32.320 --> 00:27:33.080
Just raise your hand.

757
00:27:33.080 --> 00:27:34.280
Oh, there's one over here.

758
00:27:34.280 --> 00:27:37.280
It was one in the air as well.

759
00:27:37.280 --> 00:27:38.440
Thank you so much.

760
00:27:38.440 --> 00:27:41.000
I just want to say I love your spirit so much.

761
00:27:41.000 --> 00:27:46.080
The, the sincerity, the, I just, the energy.

762
00:27:46.080 --> 00:27:47.480
I love that so much.

763
00:27:47.480 --> 00:27:50.680
And my question is spontaneity.

764
00:27:50.680 --> 00:27:54.640
How people are radio if, I know you have the gift.

765
00:27:54.640 --> 00:27:56.920
That's why when they ask you questions,

766
00:27:56.920 --> 00:28:00.960
are there things you do that you just have to have

767
00:28:00.960 --> 00:28:02.440
the answers immediately?

768
00:28:02.440 --> 00:28:05.640
Because for some of us, we have to plan and think you,

769
00:28:05.640 --> 00:28:07.520
for some people that work on radio,

770
00:28:07.520 --> 00:28:09.480
you just have to have the answer immediately.

771
00:28:09.480 --> 00:28:11.720
You don't think, how do you do it?

772
00:28:11.720 --> 00:28:14.280
Are there ways you can improve that?

773
00:28:14.280 --> 00:28:15.440
Thank you so much.

774
00:28:15.440 --> 00:28:16.880
Oh, amen, sis.

775
00:28:16.880 --> 00:28:18.720
There's a lot of planning in radio also.

776
00:28:18.720 --> 00:28:21.000
There's a, there's a lot of freestyle in,

777
00:28:21.000 --> 00:28:22.120
but there's also a lot of planning.

778
00:28:22.120 --> 00:28:23.680
Let me be honest before the Lord,

779
00:28:23.680 --> 00:28:26.280
there was a song called Alpha Omega

780
00:28:26.280 --> 00:28:28.240
by a Rappacle Scepter.

781
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:30.800
And his opening words are,

782
00:28:30.800 --> 00:28:33.920
I am the Alpha and the Omega.

783
00:28:33.920 --> 00:28:36.040
And I didn't know those were the lyrics.

784
00:28:36.040 --> 00:28:38.040
I was completely caught of God.

785
00:28:38.040 --> 00:28:40.320
And I didn't know what to say.

786
00:28:40.320 --> 00:28:42.760
And honestly before the saints are fumbled the bag.

787
00:28:42.760 --> 00:28:44.360
That is something I had to go before the Lord

788
00:28:44.360 --> 00:28:45.800
and say, Lord, I'm so sorry.

789
00:28:45.800 --> 00:28:46.640
But you know what he said to me?

790
00:28:46.640 --> 00:28:48.520
So I was, don't fumble the bag next week.

791
00:28:48.520 --> 00:28:50.400
That song will be in your show again.

792
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:52.680
And so in between Saturday to the next Saturday,

793
00:28:52.680 --> 00:28:55.760
I emailed to say, I don't believe Scepter,

794
00:28:55.760 --> 00:28:58.560
this rapper is the Alpha and the Omega.

795
00:28:58.560 --> 00:29:02.720
I believe Jesus Christ is the Alpha and the Omega.

796
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:05.000
And I just give God thanks for the boldness

797
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.600
and the courage to say that because at every point,

798
00:29:07.600 --> 00:29:10.720
I'm obviously like, this is gonna be the moment

799
00:29:10.720 --> 00:29:13.560
where these little, like, stop talking about Jesus.

800
00:29:13.560 --> 00:29:15.080
But I'm like, we'll stop playing music.

801
00:29:15.080 --> 00:29:17.560
That gives me reason to talk about Jesus.

802
00:29:17.560 --> 00:29:20.120
And so you know what the music team were brilliant?

803
00:29:20.120 --> 00:29:22.360
The guys were like, if this feels uncomfortable to you,

804
00:29:22.360 --> 00:29:23.560
we'll take it out of your show.

805
00:29:23.560 --> 00:29:26.720
Yet again, God's grace over my work,

806
00:29:26.720 --> 00:29:29.040
over the opportunities to share the gospel.

807
00:29:29.040 --> 00:29:32.320
And they said, why is it Jesus is the beginning and the end?

808
00:29:32.320 --> 00:29:35.760
He is glory from time before to time going.

809
00:29:35.760 --> 00:29:38.640
We know where we're going and he's gonna be at the end.

810
00:29:38.640 --> 00:29:40.640
And Scepter, we pray, will be too.

811
00:29:40.640 --> 00:29:42.680
But there's no guarantee of this brother being

812
00:29:42.680 --> 00:29:44.360
the Alpha and the Omega.

813
00:29:44.360 --> 00:29:46.040
And this can be cut off the podcast.

814
00:29:46.040 --> 00:29:47.520
You know what they actually said to me as well?

815
00:29:47.520 --> 00:29:49.040
They said, you know what's was?

816
00:29:49.040 --> 00:29:51.560
We don't believe Scepter is the Alpha and the Omega.

817
00:29:51.560 --> 00:29:56.440
I've said, Lord, for all of my worrying,

818
00:29:56.440 --> 00:29:59.040
you would also give wisdom to people to say,

819
00:29:59.040 --> 00:30:02.360
yeah, people like him or like anyone,

820
00:30:02.360 --> 00:30:03.760
should they die now?

821
00:30:03.760 --> 00:30:05.800
Would they rise from the gray free days later?

822
00:30:05.800 --> 00:30:06.640
There's only one.

823
00:30:06.640 --> 00:30:08.080
If you are here and you're not a Christian,

824
00:30:08.080 --> 00:30:09.240
let me just encourage you.

825
00:30:09.240 --> 00:30:13.080
There's only one who died and rose again three days later.

826
00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:14.840
His name is Jesus Christ.

827
00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:19.000
We love him, we serve him, we worship him, we adore him.

828
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:21.080
And it's because he's done the unthinkable,

829
00:30:21.080 --> 00:30:24.120
the impossible, and me and man cannot do that.

830
00:30:24.120 --> 00:30:25.960
That's why we put our trust in him.

831
00:30:25.960 --> 00:30:28.080
And so yeah, on the spot,

832
00:30:28.080 --> 00:30:30.160
oh, sis, I caved.

833
00:30:30.160 --> 00:30:33.200
But then the week after, I came correct, by goes grace.

834
00:30:33.200 --> 00:30:34.880
And if again, it meant like a channel four,

835
00:30:34.880 --> 00:30:37.200
you lose your job, let me lose my job.

836
00:30:37.200 --> 00:30:40.080
But until I do, let me be faithful to Jesus

837
00:30:40.080 --> 00:30:42.520
and know who really is the Alpha and the Omega.

838
00:30:42.520 --> 00:30:43.760
So good.

839
00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:44.840
Awesome.

840
00:30:44.840 --> 00:30:46.800
Can we also do another one as well?

841
00:30:46.800 --> 00:30:48.440
You're on fire.

842
00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:50.480
You are so on fire.

843
00:30:50.480 --> 00:30:53.200
Is anyone have another one at the front over here?

844
00:30:53.200 --> 00:30:54.040
Dance over here.

845
00:30:54.040 --> 00:30:57.000
OK, we'll go over here after.

846
00:30:57.000 --> 00:30:58.200
Hi, thank you so much.

847
00:30:58.200 --> 00:31:00.920
This is honestly being amazing, following the way

848
00:31:00.920 --> 00:31:04.400
and now hearing about, presenting, and podcasting

849
00:31:04.400 --> 00:31:05.160
and things, it's great.

850
00:31:05.160 --> 00:31:07.800
And it's in September.

851
00:31:07.800 --> 00:31:09.480
So let's you come here for the next couple weeks.

852
00:31:09.480 --> 00:31:11.800
I'm actually going into musical theater.

853
00:31:11.800 --> 00:31:15.280
So hearing, I found it, guys, I found it.

854
00:31:15.280 --> 00:31:16.280
This is your route.

855
00:31:17.280 --> 00:31:20.840
So hearing things about this is absolutely amazing.

856
00:31:20.840 --> 00:31:26.280
Just so on spot, balancing your career and thinking,

857
00:31:26.280 --> 00:31:29.000
like in a career that's so me, me, me, like stage

858
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.400
and very much, you've got to keep on refining

859
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.400
your craft and things.

860
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:35.720
It can feel quite conflicting sometimes,

861
00:31:35.720 --> 00:31:38.520
getting the balance between having God first

862
00:31:38.520 --> 00:31:41.600
and wanting to show that on a platform

863
00:31:41.600 --> 00:31:44.200
whilst also wanting to showcase my craft

864
00:31:44.200 --> 00:31:45.800
and be able to network and things.

865
00:31:45.880 --> 00:31:50.480
How would you say balancing your faith and things,

866
00:31:50.480 --> 00:31:54.920
which is so beautiful and amazing just to see it here?

867
00:31:54.920 --> 00:31:58.080
And being able to showcase your craft as well,

868
00:31:58.080 --> 00:32:00.680
how do you balance that online and also just

869
00:32:00.680 --> 00:32:01.520
in the workplace?

870
00:32:01.520 --> 00:32:03.680
Yeah, amen.

871
00:32:03.680 --> 00:32:05.320
I'll be praying for you, honestly.

872
00:32:05.320 --> 00:32:07.280
That is so cool.

873
00:32:07.280 --> 00:32:08.840
So let me give this testimony as well.

874
00:32:08.840 --> 00:32:11.720
So when to go and see Hercules and the muses,

875
00:32:11.720 --> 00:32:15.080
these five gorgeous black women, who can sing?

876
00:32:15.080 --> 00:32:16.520
I was like, I need you on my show.

877
00:32:16.520 --> 00:32:17.760
And it happened that I was covering the bread

878
00:32:17.760 --> 00:32:19.240
for sure on one extra and it happened

879
00:32:19.240 --> 00:32:21.600
that I was watching the musical at the same time.

880
00:32:21.600 --> 00:32:25.040
They came in and one of the girls said something

881
00:32:25.040 --> 00:32:27.440
and I said, amen, I'd be amen in anything.

882
00:32:27.440 --> 00:32:29.640
And she said, amen, I said, amen.

883
00:32:29.640 --> 00:32:30.640
She was like, you are Christian.

884
00:32:30.640 --> 00:32:31.880
I said, I am a Christian.

885
00:32:31.880 --> 00:32:33.680
She goes, I started singing in the church

886
00:32:33.680 --> 00:32:36.360
and I've kept my faith all the way through.

887
00:32:36.360 --> 00:32:39.480
Two of the muses in the Hercules, maybe even three.

888
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:42.200
Maybe all, I'm not sure, but a good majority of the muses

889
00:32:42.200 --> 00:32:45.360
you are currently in theater on the stage.

890
00:32:45.360 --> 00:32:47.280
I have no shares in Hercules, by the way.

891
00:32:47.280 --> 00:32:48.560
But they are Christians.

892
00:32:48.560 --> 00:32:50.600
They love the Lord.

893
00:32:50.600 --> 00:32:53.320
And so aside from radio, I love to cook

894
00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:55.960
and I've started a podcast called The Last Supper Club,

895
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:58.280
which basically invites people to come and have dinner

896
00:32:58.280 --> 00:33:00.760
and share their testimony of how they became a Christian.

897
00:33:00.760 --> 00:33:02.640
And I invited them and they were like, yeah,

898
00:33:02.640 --> 00:33:04.280
let's make it happen.

899
00:33:04.280 --> 00:33:05.800
And so just be encouraged.

900
00:33:05.800 --> 00:33:09.120
We are not alone in any job the Lord gives us to do.

901
00:33:09.120 --> 00:33:11.880
Whether you're doing a job that is faith centered

902
00:33:11.920 --> 00:33:14.760
or faith behind the scenes, the Lord is with you,

903
00:33:14.760 --> 00:33:15.920
regardless of where you go.

904
00:33:15.920 --> 00:33:16.760
It's great.

905
00:33:16.760 --> 00:33:19.480
Make an opportunity at every way to bring Jesus in

906
00:33:19.480 --> 00:33:22.680
and just get a little firmest out of like,

907
00:33:22.680 --> 00:33:23.960
what's the warmth here?

908
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.480
Are they going to share something with me?

909
00:33:25.480 --> 00:33:27.040
If they do, praise God.

910
00:33:27.040 --> 00:33:29.040
If it's not, then you keep on praying.

911
00:33:29.040 --> 00:33:31.360
But take Jesus with you all the time.

912
00:33:31.360 --> 00:33:32.720
I think I've got some hard rules.

913
00:33:32.720 --> 00:33:38.040
I can't do any type of spiritual demonic dupy things there.

914
00:33:38.040 --> 00:33:38.720
I can't.

915
00:33:38.720 --> 00:33:40.160
I'm too scared to do stuff like that.

916
00:33:40.160 --> 00:33:41.400
That's my hard line.

917
00:33:41.400 --> 00:33:43.680
You may have other hard lines.

918
00:33:43.680 --> 00:33:45.840
There's probably a good consistent hard line

919
00:33:45.840 --> 00:33:47.000
and everything for the Christian.

920
00:33:47.000 --> 00:33:49.880
But I think, yeah, take your faith with you to work

921
00:33:49.880 --> 00:33:51.760
and just see what the Lord will do.

922
00:33:51.760 --> 00:33:52.760
It's great.

923
00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:53.760
It's brilliant.

924
00:33:53.760 --> 00:33:54.760
So good.

925
00:33:54.760 --> 00:33:56.120
We've got time for a few more.

926
00:33:56.120 --> 00:33:57.120
Yeah.

927
00:33:57.120 --> 00:33:57.960
I mean, it's far too far.

928
00:33:57.960 --> 00:33:58.960
We've got to keep going.

929
00:33:58.960 --> 00:33:59.960
The Lord will be the Lord.

930
00:33:59.960 --> 00:34:00.960
Go on down, plus or the other.

931
00:34:00.960 --> 00:34:01.960
Hi.

932
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:02.960
So I have a question.

933
00:34:02.960 --> 00:34:06.800
It's not really completely related to what you said.

934
00:34:06.800 --> 00:34:10.120
But what do you do if God leaves something on your heart?

935
00:34:10.120 --> 00:34:12.480
What the time never feels right?

936
00:34:12.480 --> 00:34:15.200
Because like, the time's like, God, there's something on you.

937
00:34:15.200 --> 00:34:16.840
And I'm like, God, now?

938
00:34:16.840 --> 00:34:18.800
I know, like, why don't I have the resources

939
00:34:18.800 --> 00:34:22.520
or anything to do to, like, pursue this?

940
00:34:22.520 --> 00:34:25.240
And then I see so many rules on Instagram that, like,

941
00:34:25.240 --> 00:34:27.280
this is the time to act, do it now.

942
00:34:27.280 --> 00:34:29.440
But like, the time never feels right.

943
00:34:29.440 --> 00:34:31.520
So how do I navigate that?

944
00:34:31.520 --> 00:34:34.160
Because I did talk to like one of my youth leaders

945
00:34:34.160 --> 00:34:36.480
and it shows like, if the time doesn't feel right,

946
00:34:36.480 --> 00:34:40.040
it isn't right, but I'm kind of confused.

947
00:34:40.040 --> 00:34:40.880
Yeah, so great.

948
00:34:40.880 --> 00:34:42.000
It's a great question.

949
00:34:42.000 --> 00:34:45.560
I think it's often the wrestle for every creative, isn't it?

950
00:34:45.560 --> 00:34:46.920
I've got this idea.

951
00:34:46.920 --> 00:34:49.320
I want to go full-pelt with it.

952
00:34:49.320 --> 00:34:50.960
But this door and this door and this door

953
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.840
keeps closing.

954
00:34:51.840 --> 00:34:53.680
Funny enough, the last supper club came about

955
00:34:53.680 --> 00:34:57.640
because Canary Wolf of all places to put me in had said,

956
00:34:57.640 --> 00:35:00.920
we've got a kitchen, come and do your supper club.

957
00:35:00.920 --> 00:35:01.720
And then you know what?

958
00:35:01.720 --> 00:35:03.960
Again, I was too scared to say to them.

959
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.080
It's actually a Bible study.

960
00:35:05.080 --> 00:35:07.560
So I ran with like, oh, it's a supper club.

961
00:35:07.560 --> 00:35:09.120
Obviously, when we crack open the Bible,

962
00:35:09.120 --> 00:35:10.480
they're like, why is there a Bible?

963
00:35:10.480 --> 00:35:12.000
I was like, oh, by the way, it's a Bible study.

964
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:14.760
They said, right, that's it, you can't bring your Bible

965
00:35:14.760 --> 00:35:17.280
into this kitchen and do this supper club.

966
00:35:17.280 --> 00:35:19.000
We're gonna send you to the events team.

967
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.000
They'll deal with you.

968
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:22.560
I thought, Lord, forgive me for being so foolish

969
00:35:22.560 --> 00:35:24.560
and thinking, I could do one thing

970
00:35:24.560 --> 00:35:26.080
and secretly be about Jesus

971
00:35:26.080 --> 00:35:27.840
and then not be bold enough to share.

972
00:35:27.840 --> 00:35:29.760
Now look at the problem it's got me in.

973
00:35:29.760 --> 00:35:31.080
They sent me to the events team

974
00:35:31.080 --> 00:35:33.200
to a gorgeous woman called Dorothy.

975
00:35:33.200 --> 00:35:34.560
Who's Dorothy?

976
00:35:34.560 --> 00:35:35.400
A Christian.

977
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:39.840
She said to me, saw us, here's two months budget.

978
00:35:39.840 --> 00:35:42.240
Do your supper club and preach the gospel.

979
00:35:42.240 --> 00:35:43.680
So we're in Canary World.

980
00:35:43.680 --> 00:35:44.920
We've got this thing.

981
00:35:44.920 --> 00:35:46.720
I'd still shady who's on at four o'clock.

982
00:35:46.720 --> 00:35:47.560
He was one of the guests.

983
00:35:47.560 --> 00:35:49.280
Got so many of the guests come through.

984
00:35:49.280 --> 00:35:51.840
But you know what, like the time didn't feel right

985
00:35:51.840 --> 00:35:53.920
and I thought that kickback was just gonna be like,

986
00:35:53.920 --> 00:35:55.400
oh, this will all dissolve.

987
00:35:55.400 --> 00:35:57.480
And God knows your heart says, God knows it.

988
00:35:57.480 --> 00:35:59.560
Actually, He's giving you that idea

989
00:35:59.560 --> 00:36:00.880
and He's giving you that desire.

990
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:02.480
Who will help you to do it?

991
00:36:02.480 --> 00:36:06.040
But I think the problem is comparison

992
00:36:06.040 --> 00:36:07.440
is the thief of joy.

993
00:36:07.440 --> 00:36:09.040
You can look around and compare yourself.

994
00:36:09.040 --> 00:36:10.360
Oh, the way he's doing this,

995
00:36:10.360 --> 00:36:11.200
there's a supper club.

996
00:36:11.200 --> 00:36:12.400
We've got no followers, no knighting.

997
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:14.600
It's got, it's got Oxel's Jew

998
00:36:14.600 --> 00:36:15.840
and Corry got on a menu.

999
00:36:15.840 --> 00:36:17.520
That's literally what I've got to give.

1000
00:36:17.520 --> 00:36:19.960
But don't compare yourself to what other people are doing.

1001
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:22.360
Go before the Lord and say, Lord, this is your idea.

1002
00:36:22.360 --> 00:36:24.800
Please help me to do it well.

1003
00:36:24.800 --> 00:36:25.760
Pray about it.

1004
00:36:25.760 --> 00:36:27.400
Pray, pray always about it.

1005
00:36:27.400 --> 00:36:28.880
And ask the Lord to open doors.

1006
00:36:28.880 --> 00:36:30.040
I just want to be faithful as well

1007
00:36:30.040 --> 00:36:31.480
when sharing that Gideon.

1008
00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:33.280
I've been in the book of judges,

1009
00:36:33.280 --> 00:36:34.680
there's a book in the Bible called Judges

1010
00:36:34.680 --> 00:36:36.600
and in Judges, there's a guy called Gideon.

1011
00:36:36.600 --> 00:36:39.560
And Gideon has to go fight this enemy now, yeah.

1012
00:36:39.560 --> 00:36:40.880
And he's got, I don't know,

1013
00:36:40.880 --> 00:36:43.640
the enemy's got 120,000 better soldiers.

1014
00:36:43.640 --> 00:36:45.280
And Gideon's like, okay, cool.

1015
00:36:45.280 --> 00:36:48.200
I've got, I don't know, however many he had.

1016
00:36:48.200 --> 00:36:51.000
And the Lord said to Gideon, you've got too many.

1017
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.840
In comparison to the soldiers that this other army had,

1018
00:36:53.840 --> 00:36:55.720
these soldiers were dropping the ocean.

1019
00:36:55.720 --> 00:36:56.560
But what did the Lord say?

1020
00:36:56.560 --> 00:36:58.440
The Lord said, if you have too many people,

1021
00:36:58.440 --> 00:37:01.200
it will be you who will boast about your saving.

1022
00:37:01.240 --> 00:37:03.840
And so what the Lord continuously does is,

1023
00:37:03.840 --> 00:37:06.360
he shreds us from anything that we can boast about.

1024
00:37:06.360 --> 00:37:09.520
He shreds us so that he gets all the glory.

1025
00:37:09.520 --> 00:37:11.920
So sis, lay it again to the Lord.

1026
00:37:11.920 --> 00:37:13.120
Lord, do you gave me this?

1027
00:37:13.120 --> 00:37:14.960
How is your glory going to be seen in this?

1028
00:37:14.960 --> 00:37:16.360
If I do it in my own string,

1029
00:37:16.360 --> 00:37:17.920
people are going to say, well done Swars,

1030
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:19.080
you made it look great.

1031
00:37:19.080 --> 00:37:20.680
No, no, no, no, no.

1032
00:37:20.680 --> 00:37:22.360
Point to the Lord always.

1033
00:37:22.360 --> 00:37:24.600
Take your idea back to him and see what he will do.

1034
00:37:24.600 --> 00:37:25.600
Trust me. Trust me.

1035
00:37:25.600 --> 00:37:27.280
Trust me. Trust me.

1036
00:37:27.280 --> 00:37:28.440
Come on.

1037
00:37:28.440 --> 00:37:31.000
Guys, we're going to have time for one more question.

1038
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:35.960
So whoa, hands raised, Dan, Dan is up to you.

1039
00:37:35.960 --> 00:37:38.080
There you go.

1040
00:37:38.080 --> 00:37:40.520
Hi, thank you so much for everything that you've shared.

1041
00:37:40.520 --> 00:37:42.880
I'm really enjoyed your testimony

1042
00:37:42.880 --> 00:37:45.680
and the way you spoke about your youth group.

1043
00:37:45.680 --> 00:37:48.840
I'm about to start as a youth worker next week.

1044
00:37:48.840 --> 00:37:52.040
Any tips you have on encouraging young people

1045
00:37:52.040 --> 00:37:53.560
and pointing them to the Lord?

1046
00:37:53.560 --> 00:37:54.600
Great question.

1047
00:37:54.600 --> 00:37:55.800
Oh, do you know what?

1048
00:37:55.800 --> 00:37:58.840
I give God thanks for my youth group.

1049
00:37:58.840 --> 00:38:02.360
I would not be the person I am today without my youth group.

1050
00:38:02.360 --> 00:38:05.240
My youth leaders, that the group itself,

1051
00:38:05.240 --> 00:38:07.480
we were just so crazy.

1052
00:38:07.480 --> 00:38:09.760
Like we just did bear crazy things.

1053
00:38:09.760 --> 00:38:10.680
Like when I look back at it,

1054
00:38:10.680 --> 00:38:12.840
and I think, give God thanks for these youth leaders.

1055
00:38:12.840 --> 00:38:14.280
That said, go and do this.

1056
00:38:14.280 --> 00:38:16.360
Like, the Lord will have to come and clean it up

1057
00:38:16.360 --> 00:38:17.720
and let you go and do it.

1058
00:38:17.720 --> 00:38:20.000
But I just give God thanks that the youth group gave us

1059
00:38:20.000 --> 00:38:24.040
confidence, confidence to be on stage and get it wrong.

1060
00:38:24.040 --> 00:38:26.440
Confidence to say, no, that's not really my bag.

1061
00:38:26.440 --> 00:38:28.760
I want to go and do this over here and say, yeah,

1062
00:38:28.760 --> 00:38:30.120
cool, no problem.

1063
00:38:30.120 --> 00:38:32.680
Confidence to stay late beyond the hours.

1064
00:38:32.680 --> 00:38:34.120
My mom is not a Christian.

1065
00:38:34.120 --> 00:38:36.920
So my mom had a hard curfew of nine o'clock.

1066
00:38:36.920 --> 00:38:37.600
You've got to be in.

1067
00:38:37.600 --> 00:38:39.080
But I was like, oh, but mom,

1068
00:38:39.080 --> 00:38:40.840
the worship really goes in at nine o'clock.

1069
00:38:40.840 --> 00:38:41.960
I want to stay later.

1070
00:38:41.960 --> 00:38:44.520
Like, lean, she's like, no, get your mom home at nine o'clock.

1071
00:38:44.520 --> 00:38:45.960
And the youth leaders said, you know what?

1072
00:38:45.960 --> 00:38:47.160
We'll drop her home.

1073
00:38:47.160 --> 00:38:48.520
We'll drop her home at 10 o'clock.

1074
00:38:48.520 --> 00:38:50.920
It's out of our way, but we'll drop her home.

1075
00:38:50.920 --> 00:38:53.320
I just give God thanks for the sacrifice

1076
00:38:53.320 --> 00:38:56.200
and the servant-heartedness of that youth group.

1077
00:38:56.200 --> 00:38:59.400
Don't be in courage of people who you are discipling today.

1078
00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:02.280
I'm following and walking with the lords tomorrow.

1079
00:39:02.280 --> 00:39:04.360
They will come because those who are walking

1080
00:39:04.360 --> 00:39:05.320
will share that testimony.

1081
00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:06.680
Do you remember when we went to that camp?

1082
00:39:06.680 --> 00:39:08.120
Do you remember when we went to big church fairs

1083
00:39:08.120 --> 00:39:09.560
and the Lord crashed the tent?

1084
00:39:09.560 --> 00:39:12.920
They cannot deny what the Lord is doing in their lives.

1085
00:39:12.920 --> 00:39:14.600
So just for every youth leader,

1086
00:39:14.600 --> 00:39:18.840
like the so much of radio is a youth group scenario.

1087
00:39:18.840 --> 00:39:20.040
It is getting it wrong.

1088
00:39:20.040 --> 00:39:20.840
It's stumbling.

1089
00:39:20.840 --> 00:39:22.680
And who ain't going to cost you out the church?

1090
00:39:22.680 --> 00:39:23.480
Well, hopefully you are church.

1091
00:39:23.480 --> 00:39:25.160
Don't cost you out when you do things wrong.

1092
00:39:25.160 --> 00:39:27.720
But if I forget my words or I forget something,

1093
00:39:27.720 --> 00:39:29.320
the church are going to encourage you.

1094
00:39:29.320 --> 00:39:31.160
Radio does not encourage you.

1095
00:39:31.160 --> 00:39:32.440
You forget your words?

1096
00:39:32.440 --> 00:39:34.440
So I was, we might have to pull it up.

1097
00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.440
But the church are there to nurture

1098
00:39:36.440 --> 00:39:38.760
and to really pour into people.

1099
00:39:38.760 --> 00:39:40.840
And so, yeah, praise God.

1100
00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:42.360
I'll be praying to this for your journey.

1101
00:39:42.360 --> 00:39:45.160
And may the young people who are under you really see

1102
00:39:45.160 --> 00:39:48.040
and reap the rewards of being at your youth group

1103
00:39:48.040 --> 00:39:50.440
and being encouragement to all your leaders here as well.

1104
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:51.160
So good.

1105
00:39:51.160 --> 00:39:53.320
This has been so wisdom-filled.

1106
00:39:53.320 --> 00:39:55.640
Like, I feel like I won't try it now.

1107
00:39:55.640 --> 00:39:57.400
Like, I'm just like, I'm ready to go.

1108
00:39:57.400 --> 00:39:58.920
Thank you so much, Swazie.

1109
00:39:58.920 --> 00:40:00.600
Thank you for coming through here.

1110
00:40:00.600 --> 00:40:02.840
Thank you for giving us your time.

1111
00:40:02.840 --> 00:40:04.680
This has been the Waypoint class.

1112
00:40:04.680 --> 00:40:05.560
Thanks for watching.

1113
00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:06.520
It's been great.