WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Good day and welcome back to the way podcast. My name is Izzy and I'm joined by two others. What are your names? 2 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:13.360 My name is Zach. My name is Zenya. Wow. Nice. 3 00:00:13.360 --> 00:00:18.320 You're welcoming us. Thanks so much. Did I even say welcome to you guys? You guys are so welcome. 4 00:00:18.320 --> 00:00:24.400 I feel welcome. Welcome to my podcast. It's great. Wow. I love the Izzy broadcast. Nice. 5 00:00:24.400 --> 00:00:31.360 Cool. Today we're looking at Ephesians 5. If you haven't watched Ephesians 4, 3, 2 and 1, 6 00:00:31.360 --> 00:00:37.200 do that first and then next time you can watch Ephesians 6. But today on Ephesians 5, 7 00:00:37.200 --> 00:00:42.560 and there's quite a lot in this one isn't there? Indeed there is. Very dense, quite heavy. 8 00:00:42.560 --> 00:00:50.880 But I'm ready. I'm excited. I've got a lot of notes. Wow. But that's okay. Let's get into it. 9 00:00:50.880 --> 00:00:58.240 So to begin with, Zenya, would you like to read for us? 10 00:00:59.280 --> 00:01:05.760 One to 14 please. This is the word God. That's not what I can't as you should say. Anyways, 11 00:01:05.760 --> 00:01:14.720 the Bible says this, imitate God therefore in everything you do because you are his dear children. 12 00:01:14.800 --> 00:01:21.280 Live a life filled with love. Following the example of Christ, he loved us and offered himself 13 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:30.560 as a sacrifice for us, a pleasing aroma to God. Let there be no sexual immorality, impurity or greed 14 00:01:30.560 --> 00:01:37.920 among you, such sins have no place among God's people. Of seen stories, foolish talk and course 15 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:45.360 jokes. These are not for you. Instead, let there be thankfulness to God. You can be sure that no 16 00:01:45.360 --> 00:01:52.960 immoral, impure or greedy person will inherit the kingdom of Christ and of God. For a greedy person 17 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:59.520 is an idolater worshipping the things of this world. Don't be fooled by those who try to excuse 18 00:01:59.520 --> 00:02:06.400 these sins for the anger of God will fall on all who disobey him. Don't participate in the things 19 00:02:06.480 --> 00:02:13.120 these people do for once you are full of darkness. But now you have light from the Lord. So live 20 00:02:13.120 --> 00:02:19.200 as people of light for this light within you produces only what is good and rights and true. 21 00:02:19.920 --> 00:02:26.320 Carefully determine what pleases the Lord, take no part in the worthless deeds of evil and darkness, 22 00:02:26.320 --> 00:02:32.640 instead expose them. It is shameful even to talk about these things. So it is shameful even to 23 00:02:32.640 --> 00:02:37.680 talk about the things that ungodly people do in secret. But their evil intentions will be 24 00:02:37.680 --> 00:02:42.880 exposed when the light shines on them. But the light makes everything visible. This is why it 25 00:02:42.880 --> 00:02:50.720 said awake, O sleeper, rise up from the dead and Christ will give you light. Woo. Woo. 26 00:02:52.320 --> 00:02:59.840 Did you guys, when you were in Bible school, did they Sunday school? Bible school, what? 27 00:02:59.920 --> 00:03:05.040 We're not all theologians. Sorry guys. So when you guys were in Sunday school, 28 00:03:06.480 --> 00:03:11.440 did they tell you the the trick of reading their force in the Bible? I didn't go to Sunday school. 29 00:03:12.160 --> 00:03:16.000 Do you know it? No. They'll watch a testimony video now. Yeah. 30 00:03:16.000 --> 00:03:21.760 Woo. I think it's great. Oh, great plug. I think it's cool. If you had been in the same Sunday 31 00:03:21.760 --> 00:03:25.040 school I was in, they would have told you that when you read it there for in the Bible, 32 00:03:25.040 --> 00:03:31.200 you want to ask what is it there for? Is it? Yeah. I just thought if it's there for it, 33 00:03:31.200 --> 00:03:36.160 it's like what comes before it. That's exactly right. But that doesn't sound as cool as what's 34 00:03:36.160 --> 00:03:41.760 it there for? Yeah. Maybe I should go to Sunday school. You should learn. Yeah. Everyone should go 35 00:03:41.760 --> 00:03:48.800 to Sunday school. Okay. But if you actually look like even just in chapter four, there's a bunch of 36 00:03:49.760 --> 00:03:55.680 chapter four of verse one. There's a therefore in chapter four of verse 25. Now we have a 37 00:03:55.680 --> 00:04:02.560 therefore the start of chapter five. And the therefore I think is actually based on 38 00:04:03.360 --> 00:04:10.160 chapters one to three being like this alternative reading of reality of things are not quite as they 39 00:04:10.160 --> 00:04:18.960 seem in the world. And actually life with Jesus Christ is quite different. Therefore, because of 40 00:04:18.960 --> 00:04:27.440 that, be imitators of God. So it's almost like he said, this is how things actually are. Now that 41 00:04:27.440 --> 00:04:33.680 I've changed your opinion, what are you meant to go and do that? Well, imitate God and imitate 42 00:04:33.840 --> 00:04:40.640 Christ. Love yourself and give yourself up for others as he did. That's what's there for. 43 00:04:42.160 --> 00:04:48.160 I love how it talks about the pleasing aroma to God and how Christ offered himself as a sacrifice 44 00:04:48.160 --> 00:04:54.400 for us. And that language of pleasing aroma, you see it in like Leviticus, you see it in 45 00:04:55.360 --> 00:04:59.840 Deuteronomy, I think as well. I can't remember. But essentially whenever in the Old Testament, 46 00:04:59.840 --> 00:05:05.760 they were sacrifice like animals and stuff. They always said that it was a pleasing aroma like 47 00:05:05.760 --> 00:05:11.520 the act of sacrifice pleases God and like it smells nice to God. Even though I don't think God is 48 00:05:11.520 --> 00:05:16.800 literally smelling it, but I think it's more of like, do I smell nice to go? Yeah, like my sacrifice 49 00:05:16.800 --> 00:05:22.640 smells good. Yum. I don't think it's that I think it's like, you know, that act is worship. And 50 00:05:22.640 --> 00:05:27.520 actually that pleases God when we lay things down. And when Christ laid his life down, that 51 00:05:27.520 --> 00:05:33.040 pleases God to know, okay, the slate is clean. Like I can be one of my people. And so for us, 52 00:05:33.040 --> 00:05:38.240 there's also a call for us to lay our lives down. And how do we lay our lives down in every aspect 53 00:05:38.240 --> 00:05:43.680 in how we live our lives in gossip, slander, sexuality, all these different things, but like, yeah, 54 00:05:43.680 --> 00:05:49.040 just lay our life down, offer it to the Lord. I think it's also nice that it says, like it's 55 00:05:49.040 --> 00:05:53.200 imitate Christ. It's not like admire Christ. It's not look up to him. It's not think of him. It's 56 00:05:53.200 --> 00:05:58.960 literally like imitate, be like him. And I think that's like a real challenge. And that's what 57 00:05:58.960 --> 00:06:04.640 is talking about in all of Ephesians is not just being aware of what he was like, but actually 58 00:06:04.640 --> 00:06:09.920 like imitating and being like that as well. And it does go on to chat a fair bit about 59 00:06:11.600 --> 00:06:18.000 sexual sin and all that good stuff thoughts on that. Well, I basically understand this as 60 00:06:18.000 --> 00:06:26.720 he's told us what we should do in verse one and two. And now he gives us a list of 61 00:06:27.440 --> 00:06:33.840 what is like almost specific opposites of that. He says, do this. And then he literally starts 62 00:06:33.840 --> 00:06:41.680 verse three with bot. And then lists, don't do this, don't do this, don't do this. But I think it's 63 00:06:41.680 --> 00:06:53.920 interesting how basically the focus is less primarily on like a checklist of things to do as a 64 00:06:53.920 --> 00:07:02.960 Christian. But actually, we are primarily meant to imitate Christ's love. And then the rest of 65 00:07:02.960 --> 00:07:11.120 the things follow. But we need to first focus on as the passage moves, imitating Christ's love. 66 00:07:11.120 --> 00:07:19.440 Yeah. And I think often, especially in like Western Christianity, the focus can be on, oh, 67 00:07:19.440 --> 00:07:25.040 you're not a real Christian if you're sexually immoral. You're not a real Christian if you're 68 00:07:25.040 --> 00:07:32.480 impure or if you're coveting your neighbor or making crude jokes. But actually that doesn't seem 69 00:07:32.480 --> 00:07:41.280 to be the main focus of Paul's writing. The initial focus is actually, are you living in love? 70 00:07:43.120 --> 00:07:48.000 I don't know. Maybe that's a litmus test that we need to start using for our spiritual maturity 71 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:53.920 more than what do you not take part in. Yeah. Though I suppose it's not saying, 72 00:07:54.640 --> 00:07:59.920 avoid these things so you can be a child of God. But instead saying, because you're a child of God, 73 00:08:01.360 --> 00:08:06.880 act like a child of God. Yeah. So true. And so that's how I've kind of like understood it. 74 00:08:06.880 --> 00:08:11.280 It being like these aren't necessarily like a checklist. But as things that as we're imitating Christ, 75 00:08:11.280 --> 00:08:18.480 as we are little Christ or Christians, that actually we therefore act differently out of 76 00:08:18.480 --> 00:08:22.320 response to that or just like naturally. Because I thought like when you when you hear about 77 00:08:22.320 --> 00:08:27.200 Christianity, a lot of people say like, it's just full of rules or there's so much that I can't 78 00:08:27.200 --> 00:08:32.240 do. So I don't want to be a Christian. And in here, you can see like loads of stuff falls like, 79 00:08:32.240 --> 00:08:35.600 we shouldn't do this. We shouldn't do that. And it can fall like, oh, here we go. Another list of 80 00:08:36.240 --> 00:08:42.240 rules. But snuck in the middle of there. In verse four, he says instead, let there be thankfulness 81 00:08:42.240 --> 00:08:46.960 or let there be thanksgiving. And I thought that was really interesting. Like what you were saying 82 00:08:46.960 --> 00:08:52.320 exact before about we need to be people that live in love, like let love lead your life, lead your 83 00:08:52.320 --> 00:08:58.720 actions, the love of Jesus. That's the thing that leads you to live holy and to like give up the 84 00:08:58.720 --> 00:09:02.720 things of your past. Maybe before you came to Christian, the habits you had or whatever. 85 00:09:03.200 --> 00:09:07.680 Actually, from a place of love, we get to give those things up. But actually, like thanksgiving 86 00:09:07.680 --> 00:09:12.880 and thankfulness is a reminder. And I think in moments where you face temptation or moments where 87 00:09:12.880 --> 00:09:18.400 you're like, oh, God, we'd be much easier to just go in my own way or it'd be much easier to live 88 00:09:18.400 --> 00:09:23.760 how I want to live. Actually, thanksgiving is a good reminder of that love. And it's a reminder of 89 00:09:23.760 --> 00:09:28.880 while God, I actually am set apart. And I actually am called to be holy. And you know, you've 90 00:09:28.880 --> 00:09:34.080 redeemed all things and all the things that he lists, like sexual morality, purity, greed, 91 00:09:34.080 --> 00:09:38.400 like God has redeemed all those things. And now that because we're holy, we could be thankful. 92 00:09:38.400 --> 00:09:43.200 Like God, I don't need to live in this like perverted way. But actually, I can live in the way 93 00:09:43.200 --> 00:09:48.480 that you've intended me to. And that gives me thanksgiving. And with that thanksgiving, I can keep 94 00:09:48.480 --> 00:09:54.400 moving forward. So I think yeah, that's just the check for us to keep living in thanksgiving of 95 00:09:54.400 --> 00:09:59.360 what God has done for us, what Jesus has done for us. And when you keep remembering to be thankful, 96 00:09:59.360 --> 00:10:04.320 then you remember how to live. I just think that's so really cool. I love that sneak attack there. 97 00:10:04.320 --> 00:10:08.400 Because you would have missed it. Like with all the list of don't do this, don't do this. It's so 98 00:10:08.400 --> 00:10:13.440 easy to focus on the things you can't do and not focus on being thankful for the things you can do. 99 00:10:13.440 --> 00:10:18.240 Yeah. So I think it was so cool that he just snuck that in there. Yeah, it's really cool. 100 00:10:18.240 --> 00:10:27.840 I think it's interesting in in verse six. It talks about the wrath of God. And I think that's 101 00:10:28.560 --> 00:10:34.240 one thing that we can often like intellectually struggle with. Is that balance of what you were 102 00:10:34.240 --> 00:10:45.120 saying, Zenia of how these these sinful things are actually overcome. And yet the very next verse 103 00:10:45.120 --> 00:10:50.800 talks about the wrath of God. But I love what Dale Johnson shout out. I feel like I mentioned 104 00:10:50.800 --> 00:10:57.200 someone like every single podcast these days. But he talks about the wrath of God as actually good 105 00:10:57.200 --> 00:11:03.200 news. And the reason why he says it's good news is because it's a sign that God takes seriously 106 00:11:03.200 --> 00:11:09.840 the freedom that he gives us and the decisions that we make. And so he doesn't actually just 107 00:11:09.840 --> 00:11:17.120 basically let us act in a false way. And then like not give us the implications in a similar way. 108 00:11:17.120 --> 00:11:24.080 He doesn't let us make the right decisions and still control the outcome. But actually the decisions 109 00:11:24.080 --> 00:11:32.560 that we make have implications that are further than we probably realize in this lifetime. And God's 110 00:11:32.560 --> 00:11:40.800 wrath is simply his allowing of us to choose our own destiny in a sense. But at the same time, 111 00:11:40.800 --> 00:11:46.720 you're exactly right that he's actually made a way that all we have to do is choose to submit to 112 00:11:46.720 --> 00:11:53.360 him and repent, believe in the gospel, that actually that all goes away. So it's like there's like 113 00:11:53.440 --> 00:12:03.600 that escape hatch that he's given us. So it is actually like relatively easy. But at the same time, 114 00:12:03.600 --> 00:12:10.000 God takes our actions really quite seriously. Which is good news. And it goes on. These things, 115 00:12:11.680 --> 00:12:15.040 they are taken really seriously. And these things are serious things. And I think it could be 116 00:12:15.040 --> 00:12:18.880 quite easy. Maybe in our culture where these things kind of be like, oh, it's not a big of a deal. 117 00:12:19.520 --> 00:12:23.440 Like even some of the, I can't believe that phrasing, but like you're making fun of someone, 118 00:12:23.440 --> 00:12:28.640 it's not that big of a deal. But actually it's actually bringing to light where these, 119 00:12:28.640 --> 00:12:34.480 it's like the fruit of the darkness stuff, isn't it? That it's talking about which kind of is 120 00:12:34.480 --> 00:12:39.440 going on to like verse 11, my little note from that to be honest, jumping ahead, whoopsies. But it's 121 00:12:39.440 --> 00:12:44.400 talking about avoiding the fruit of the darkness or this bad, like the outcome, but not necessarily 122 00:12:44.480 --> 00:12:49.040 like avoiding the person itself. Like it's saying to not associate with these actions, not 123 00:12:49.040 --> 00:12:53.200 associate to these things. I mean, I think it could be quite easy. I've got challenge reading this 124 00:12:53.200 --> 00:12:58.320 of being like, does that mean that any of my friends that are doing these stuff am I not allowed 125 00:12:58.320 --> 00:13:02.720 to associate with them? Like do I, like it says you to talk about it, it says you need to like 126 00:13:03.840 --> 00:13:08.160 do something about it. But we don't talk about it to bring shame. We talk about it so we can 127 00:13:08.160 --> 00:13:16.720 learn how to live well and do things well. And it's not about shaming people, but learning how to 128 00:13:16.720 --> 00:13:23.200 live like Jesus and avoiding those like dark things, but not necessarily like avoiding the people 129 00:13:23.200 --> 00:13:27.520 which I find quite a hard balance in my head to work out what that looks like. But also really 130 00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:35.200 encouraging that like we're still cool to, you know, be faithful even, I don't know what I'm 131 00:13:35.600 --> 00:13:40.160 saying, but in a friendship group, because people have a big, I'm on such tangent, oh my gosh, 132 00:13:40.160 --> 00:13:46.720 but who you spend time with really changes who you end up being, right? Yeah. And obviously, 133 00:13:46.720 --> 00:13:50.800 ideally spend so much time with Jesus, you become more like Jesus, but also your friends around you. 134 00:13:50.800 --> 00:13:55.280 If they're doing some of these things, you're more likely to do these things. And so how do you 135 00:13:55.280 --> 00:14:00.080 separate the person from the actions that are happening? That's quite difficult. How do you think 136 00:14:00.080 --> 00:14:09.040 you actually do that? Because I've known a lot of people who were not believers and hang out with 137 00:14:09.040 --> 00:14:15.760 other non-believers and then came to faith and then struggled to maintain friendships with those 138 00:14:15.760 --> 00:14:21.520 who are still doing some of these things because their desires had switched up. Having spent time 139 00:14:21.520 --> 00:14:26.960 with Jesus, like you were saying, they'd aligned with Jesus' values. But how do you in a healthy way 140 00:14:27.680 --> 00:14:32.880 continue to maintain these friendships, love those friends without being drawn back into that? 141 00:14:32.880 --> 00:14:38.080 I think you just don't compromise your faith and you don't compromise your living. Like, 142 00:14:38.080 --> 00:14:43.200 the scripture talks about how, because we were, we were once people of darkness, but now we've 143 00:14:43.200 --> 00:14:47.840 entered in the light. So we have to live as people of light. John one says that the light shines 144 00:14:47.840 --> 00:14:53.200 in the darkness and the darkness doesn't overcome it. Like light is supposed to eliminate darkness. 145 00:14:53.200 --> 00:14:58.240 Light needs to be in darkness, otherwise you can't see it. And for people that are living in darkness, 146 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:03.360 they need light, like they actually need to be able to see. And so if you're not there, how can they 147 00:15:03.360 --> 00:15:11.200 see? And so I think in one hand, yes, don't be overcome by what's going on around you. Stay 148 00:15:11.200 --> 00:15:16.560 true to your faith. Don't compromise. If you're not strong enough in your faith, then don't hang 149 00:15:16.560 --> 00:15:21.440 around those type of people. Don't be drawn into that atmosphere. But if you are mature in the faith, 150 00:15:21.440 --> 00:15:25.520 if you are, you know, there are things in your intestine, only that you have overcome, 151 00:15:25.520 --> 00:15:28.240 which means that you can be around these environments or these people, 152 00:15:28.240 --> 00:15:32.720 then absolutely be a part of that because the Lord wants to use you to set people free. 153 00:15:32.720 --> 00:15:37.920 But he wants to use your story and how, like, through, through the Lord, you've overcome 154 00:15:37.920 --> 00:15:43.600 to set them free. But I also think like you have to be wise. And I think a lot of us give ourselves 155 00:15:43.600 --> 00:15:48.000 too much credit and we think that we're better than we really are. Or like, oh, there's no way I'm 156 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.240 going to be tempted by that. And then you hang around them. And then you are tempted. And it's like, 157 00:15:52.240 --> 00:15:56.640 well, the Lord was telling you. So I think, yeah, use discernment, which basically means 158 00:15:56.640 --> 00:16:01.760 assess the situation, ask the Holy Spirit, am I strong enough? Can I? And also get people in 159 00:16:01.760 --> 00:16:05.600 the journey with you. Like, I found that in some environments, it's better if I have a couple 160 00:16:05.600 --> 00:16:08.960 friends with me. Like, when I hang out with some of my friends, like, let's go out and agree, 161 00:16:08.960 --> 00:16:12.400 you know, I don't want to be the only one because I know within my own heart, like, 162 00:16:12.400 --> 00:16:16.240 oh, there are certain areas where I could be tempted. But if I'm with other people that 163 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:21.600 keep me accountable, I won't be. So, yeah, I don't know, a lot of things just be discerning. But also, 164 00:16:21.600 --> 00:16:25.520 we're not called to staying a Christian bubble. You know, we're called to go out into the world and 165 00:16:25.520 --> 00:16:29.840 to shine the light and to make disciples. And you can't do that if you just hang around with Christians. 166 00:16:29.840 --> 00:16:35.920 That's just not possible. So far. Well, right. Well, that was fantastic. Right. Next chunk, we're 167 00:16:35.920 --> 00:16:45.680 going to go from 15 to 20. That's on you. Oh, to verse 20. Yeah. Dang. Okay. That stops 168 00:16:45.680 --> 00:16:52.160 mid-sentence in my Bible. Not in my Bible, but we'll touch my legs. I'm reading from the years 169 00:16:52.160 --> 00:16:56.880 to be. I'm reading from the years to be ever and legs. Relax. Look carefully, then, how you walk, 170 00:16:56.880 --> 00:17:03.920 not as unwise, but as wise, making the best use of the time because the days are evil. Therefore, 171 00:17:03.920 --> 00:17:10.400 do not be foolish, but understand what the will of the Lord is. And do not get drunk with wine. 172 00:17:10.960 --> 00:17:17.440 For that is debauchery, but be filled with the Spirit, addressing one another in Psalms and hymns 173 00:17:17.440 --> 00:17:23.840 in spiritual songs, singing and making melody to the Lord with your heart, giving thanks always 174 00:17:23.840 --> 00:17:30.640 and for everything to God the Father in the name of our Lord Jesus Christ, to which I then have a 175 00:17:31.280 --> 00:17:37.680 I think finish it off. Submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. What does yours? 176 00:17:38.240 --> 00:17:42.400 Mine finishes at verse 20, and when the next chunk begins with submit to one another, 177 00:17:42.400 --> 00:17:48.320 now reverence to Christ. Yes, same. Interesting. But we've looked into that, haven't we, Zach? 178 00:17:48.320 --> 00:17:53.520 I know. I actually do know why that's just interesting seeing it, IRL. Yeah. 179 00:17:53.600 --> 00:18:01.760 Well, okay, I think it's important to note, there's a sort of like rhythm of phrasing here, 180 00:18:01.760 --> 00:18:11.280 where he says, not this, but that. And it kind of like culminates in the middle one, 181 00:18:11.920 --> 00:18:15.360 where it says, be filled with the Spirit. Yeah. 182 00:18:16.160 --> 00:18:23.920 In my opinion, based on like the research that I did, that is basically in the original language. 183 00:18:23.920 --> 00:18:29.920 I don't even like fully still understand these, what these words mean, but the being filled with 184 00:18:29.920 --> 00:18:38.240 the Spirit is an imperative, which is a verb or like a command or action. Like this is the takeaway 185 00:18:38.240 --> 00:18:44.640 that you need to do. And then everything else is a, what was the word? Participal. 186 00:18:44.640 --> 00:18:51.760 A participle, which means that participals are dependent on the verb. So it's not a, 187 00:18:51.760 --> 00:18:58.880 everything else is not a direct action, but a result of the imperative. So what he's not saying is 188 00:18:58.960 --> 00:19:07.760 necessarily do X, Y and Z in this whole list, but rather, be filled with the Spirit. Do this one 189 00:19:07.760 --> 00:19:15.040 thing. And here's the result of being filled by the Spirit. This is the natural consequence. 190 00:19:15.040 --> 00:19:21.840 The natural consequence is making the best use of time, understanding what the will of Lord is, 191 00:19:22.640 --> 00:19:28.400 addressing one another in Psalms and hymns and spiritual songs, and giving thanks to 192 00:19:28.400 --> 00:19:35.360 Lord and submitting to one another out of reverence for Christ. And I find it interesting how 193 00:19:35.360 --> 00:19:42.320 your Bibles separate off, submitting to one another, and mine keeps it in the sentence. Because 194 00:19:42.320 --> 00:19:48.400 that basically shifts the understanding of that last part of sentence actually a lot. 195 00:19:49.120 --> 00:19:57.040 Whereas it's either part of the imperative where a natural consequence of being filled with 196 00:19:57.040 --> 00:20:03.600 Holy Spirit is to be subject to one another, or it's a separate command. And it changes it a lot. 197 00:20:03.600 --> 00:20:09.600 Absolutely. And I think yours is accurate. Because in the original letter, he wouldn't have had 198 00:20:09.600 --> 00:20:15.280 verses, adapters, and headings. So actually, I think very much is to be a part of as a result 199 00:20:15.280 --> 00:20:18.720 of being filled with Holy Spirit, there's singing, there's thanksgiving, and there's submission 200 00:20:18.720 --> 00:20:23.920 to each other. Even the whole like love your neighbor is yourself, or like it's all links to 201 00:20:24.480 --> 00:20:29.360 this love for one another and elevating others above ourselves, which is a theme throughout the 202 00:20:29.360 --> 00:20:33.680 Bible. So I think that's, and then it goes into how that looks like in different relationships, 203 00:20:33.680 --> 00:20:39.760 which we'll get to. Hello, I'm just interrupting the podcast. I say, thanks for listening, 204 00:20:39.760 --> 00:20:44.320 and I hope you're enjoying. But we would love that if you're watching on YouTube to give us a 205 00:20:44.320 --> 00:20:49.040 like and a subscribe, and if you're listening on Apple or Spotify, then why don't you give us a 206 00:20:49.120 --> 00:20:54.080 follow and a little rating because our mission is to share the good news of Jesus with every young 207 00:20:54.080 --> 00:20:58.960 person online and you doing that really helps make that possible. But let's get back to the episode. 208 00:21:00.800 --> 00:21:08.480 Drunk stuff. What were you saying about that? I think it's kind of all links back to verse 16, 209 00:21:08.480 --> 00:21:13.200 but it says make the most of every opportunity in these evil days or in the days of darkness or 210 00:21:14.000 --> 00:21:19.680 and I don't think Paul is necessarily saying like a you know live every day like it's your last 211 00:21:19.680 --> 00:21:24.960 or like one of these like cheesy quotes sees the day like I don't think he's doing like a cheese first. 212 00:21:24.960 --> 00:21:30.480 I think what he's actually saying is like the time that you have glorified God with that time 213 00:21:30.480 --> 00:21:35.760 because it's very limited because Jesus is coming back and all this stuff like all of that. 214 00:21:35.760 --> 00:21:40.560 I think he's saying that with the time that you have what would you rather spend your time doing? 215 00:21:40.560 --> 00:21:44.800 Would you rather spend your time wasting it away being drunk on wine like just doing 216 00:21:44.800 --> 00:21:49.360 just passing by or would you rather be active? Would you rather be filled with the spirit? Would you 217 00:21:49.360 --> 00:21:56.240 rather actually be like singing songs of praise and overflowing like overflowing your faith in every 218 00:21:56.240 --> 00:22:01.280 aspect of your life? Like do you want to be on autopilot or do you want to actually be present? 219 00:22:02.480 --> 00:22:07.520 And I think when it talks about the drunk on wine like drunkness it's you're not present, 220 00:22:07.520 --> 00:22:12.000 you're just like passive you're like on autopilot. You're not really in the room and I don't 221 00:22:12.000 --> 00:22:17.040 think that's what God wants for us to be a life of faith filled people with the Holy Spirit. 222 00:22:17.040 --> 00:22:22.400 I don't think God's called us to live on autopilot with our faith. I think He's called us to be active 223 00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:26.720 and it speaks to everything we said before in the list above like all of these things it's 224 00:22:26.720 --> 00:22:30.720 being intentional with your faith, being intentional about how you choose to live, 225 00:22:30.720 --> 00:22:36.080 living your life as a sacrifice. Like you don't just throw a sacrifice down because you can't be 226 00:22:36.320 --> 00:22:42.000 like sacrifices or intention or and so if we're going to live a life as Christians and be like 227 00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:46.400 sacrifice our lives intentionally then like we can't afford to be drunk on wine like and just 228 00:22:46.400 --> 00:22:50.640 live in autopilot and we have to be filled with the Holy Spirit. Is it saying that we're not allowed 229 00:22:50.640 --> 00:22:55.440 to drink anything? No, I don't think so. I mean everyone always says this come back as Jesus 230 00:22:55.440 --> 00:23:00.480 10 or into wine. That's what everyone always says that we're classic. I think there's more of an 231 00:23:00.480 --> 00:23:04.480 emphasis on like the self-control and it goes back to the thing of the darkness like don't be 232 00:23:04.480 --> 00:23:09.920 overcome by darkness like you can be around it but to be overcome by it is a completely different 233 00:23:09.920 --> 00:23:14.320 thing and I think when you're filled with the Holy Spirit you can't be overcome by darkness because 234 00:23:14.320 --> 00:23:18.640 darkness and like cannot share real estate like it's either one or the other. And so I think with 235 00:23:18.640 --> 00:23:25.520 the not being drunk thing it's not giving into that darkness like drunkness can be a darkness if 236 00:23:25.520 --> 00:23:30.320 you are overcome by it. Do you know what I mean? Well I think there's a difference of having a drink 237 00:23:30.400 --> 00:23:35.680 to then drinking with the intention to like be impaired because it like loosens your self-control, 238 00:23:35.680 --> 00:23:40.240 your wisdom, your balance, your understanding which is like the complete opposite of what 239 00:23:40.240 --> 00:23:46.800 the Holy Spirit does. Yeah and so it's yeah I think it's about being intentional with it and I 240 00:23:46.800 --> 00:23:50.960 don't think it's like not ever having a drink. Yeah but it's if the intention is to fully so you 241 00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:54.960 don't feel anything or lose yourself or feel relaxed and that doesn't I don't know if that 242 00:23:54.960 --> 00:24:00.160 completely lines up with because God can do that like if you need to relax if you need to like 243 00:24:00.160 --> 00:24:04.400 know yourself just ask the Holy Spirit so that the stuff that you're going to the wine for the 244 00:24:04.400 --> 00:24:08.240 Holy Spirit can do that. Therefore when you drink wine it's like no I'm actually drinking it 245 00:24:08.240 --> 00:24:12.480 because I just like it. You see it's a different heart posture because now you're not going to that 246 00:24:12.480 --> 00:24:17.360 thing to get the benefits of God when you can just go to God. It is yeah I think it's a really 247 00:24:17.360 --> 00:24:23.280 interesting one. Zach what do you think about the songs? I think I think sometimes there's a 248 00:24:23.280 --> 00:24:31.760 tendency to think like how is like my singing like directly praising God if that makes sense of 249 00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:37.360 like what what offering am I actually giving to God of just singing a song about him? Just like 250 00:24:37.360 --> 00:24:43.920 raising my hands and whatever. There's an interesting like human phenomena about what we tend to 251 00:24:43.920 --> 00:24:50.960 give our attention to. Like I always think of like going to a football match or a soccer game for 252 00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:58.960 all my North Americans. I just got that out. Here in England you're seeing the whole game. That's 253 00:24:58.960 --> 00:25:04.240 how you show your support and that's not that's not considered a spiritual thing. Everyone's got 254 00:25:04.240 --> 00:25:10.960 their hands up, their chanting, their singing and it's like that is your way of being invested 255 00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:16.960 giving your energy being a contributor not a contaminator. So I think actually in a similar way 256 00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:23.360 it's almost like our seeing of songs and like praising the Lord in take for example like a Sunday 257 00:25:23.360 --> 00:25:29.600 service is literally that but we're intentionally giving that to God. We're giving him our support. 258 00:25:29.600 --> 00:25:34.160 That's a good one. We're giving him our energy. Yeah. We're trying to say Lord we want to contribute 259 00:25:34.160 --> 00:25:38.880 to your kingdom work rather than contaminate it and that's why we're going to sing some songs. 260 00:25:38.880 --> 00:25:43.120 Yeah and I do think it is just like it's talking about the natural response like when when you're 261 00:25:43.120 --> 00:25:46.960 filled with the Holy Spirit what are the natural response of what happening and I think part of that 262 00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:55.840 is that thanks and praise but it's also about submitting. So we're going to continue and we're going 263 00:25:55.840 --> 00:26:02.160 to you can repeat 21 if you would like 21 to the end. Okay I'm actually I'm going to go from 22. Okay 264 00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:09.280 wives submit to your own husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife 265 00:26:09.280 --> 00:26:15.840 even as Christ is the head of the church his body and his himself at Savior. Now as the church 266 00:26:15.840 --> 00:26:23.280 submits to Christ so also wives should submit in everything to their husbands. Husbands love your 267 00:26:23.280 --> 00:26:29.920 wives as Christ loved the church and gave himself up for her that he might sanctify her having 268 00:26:29.920 --> 00:26:35.120 cleansed her by the washing of water with the word so that he might present the church to himself 269 00:26:35.200 --> 00:26:41.440 in splendor without spot or wrinkle or any such thing as she might be holy and without blemish. 270 00:26:42.400 --> 00:26:48.160 In the same way husbands should love their wives as their own bodies. He who loves his wife 271 00:26:48.160 --> 00:26:55.360 loves himself for no one ever hated his own flesh but nourishes and cherishes it just as Christ 272 00:26:55.360 --> 00:27:01.680 does the church because we are members of his body. Therefore a man shall leave his father and 273 00:27:01.680 --> 00:27:07.920 mother and hold fast his wife and the two shall become one flesh. This mystery is profound and I 274 00:27:07.920 --> 00:27:13.920 am saying that it refers to Christ in the church however let each one of you love his wife as 275 00:27:13.920 --> 00:27:22.160 himself and let the wife see that she respects her husband. Right well let's get into it so these 276 00:27:22.160 --> 00:27:28.560 passages are interesting ones yeah because I think we've just got a general's misunderstanding 277 00:27:28.560 --> 00:27:33.360 what it's actually saying. We've spent quite a bit of time looking at this and prepping at it 278 00:27:33.360 --> 00:27:37.360 and it's it's really interesting where once you actually look into it it feels like it's quite 279 00:27:37.360 --> 00:27:42.160 clear what it's actually saying. Right and it's actually very empowering and it's quite beautiful 280 00:27:42.720 --> 00:27:49.440 but I think it has been used quite a lot in the past to maybe not always be super empowering 281 00:27:49.520 --> 00:27:56.080 absolutely. So let's break that down. Break it down. It's not a little break down. No. 282 00:27:58.480 --> 00:28:02.960 As you go through it I don't want to be a little off. No I don't want to do it now. I'm not 283 00:28:02.960 --> 00:28:08.240 secure now. Okay all right all right. So again so this is off of that thinking of that command 284 00:28:08.240 --> 00:28:13.840 in verse 18 which is the be filled with the Holy Spirit and our response of that is submitting 285 00:28:13.840 --> 00:28:18.400 to another and then he breaks down this relationship between husbands and wives and then in chapter 286 00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:24.800 six goes on to children and parents and then slaves and masters and so they're basically how 287 00:28:26.000 --> 00:28:31.920 yeah how to live out this submission and it was something like a household code or something 288 00:28:31.920 --> 00:28:38.480 do you want to explain? Yeah basically there were household codes because if you think of like 289 00:28:38.480 --> 00:28:44.560 basically two thousand years ago the whole family like several generations would live in one 290 00:28:44.560 --> 00:28:53.200 household and on top of that you would often have like even like animals and like harvested crops 291 00:28:53.200 --> 00:28:59.040 in the house with you and so it meant that you would spend most of your time first of all 292 00:28:59.040 --> 00:29:04.720 in your household that could be both your place of work and your place of living and also that's 293 00:29:04.720 --> 00:29:11.200 where you would then relate to each of these relationships and so they're they're almost called 294 00:29:11.200 --> 00:29:18.080 like household codes these relationships where there's a specific way you would relate to for 295 00:29:18.080 --> 00:29:26.560 example your father and mother as a son or your husband as a wife and these were so prevalent in 296 00:29:26.560 --> 00:29:33.040 culture that I think actually like I think it was Aristotle he said that actually a culture and 297 00:29:33.040 --> 00:29:39.280 society that finds the correct balance of household codes will thrive yeah and so it's like this 298 00:29:39.280 --> 00:29:46.160 essential idea that Paul is working with of actually when we can get this right when we can get 299 00:29:46.160 --> 00:29:52.320 the relationships of the household right then we can get almost everything else right yeah everything 300 00:29:52.320 --> 00:29:58.960 else becomes a lot easier and so he provides this again this alternative reading of because Jesus 301 00:29:58.960 --> 00:30:04.080 came and died on the cross and flipped everything on its head providing us with the Holy Spirit that 302 00:30:04.080 --> 00:30:11.840 lives among us actually it changes everything including very fabric of society which is the household 303 00:30:11.840 --> 00:30:19.440 codes and the way that it does that is well a by being filled with the Holy Spirit which leads us to 304 00:30:20.880 --> 00:30:27.360 submission to one another but I think it's important to know this section essentially starts with 305 00:30:27.360 --> 00:30:36.160 verse 21 in in my opinion where it's not specific to any one of these relationships like individually 306 00:30:36.880 --> 00:30:43.280 it's firstly just a command submit to one another out of reference to reverence for Christ so it's 307 00:30:43.280 --> 00:30:50.720 not it doesn't start off specifically as some people might suggest as wives submit to your husbands 308 00:30:50.800 --> 00:30:56.240 or even specifically like sons and daughters submit to your parents it starts off with 309 00:30:56.240 --> 00:31:01.840 we're all meant to live in submission to one another out of reverence for Christ so I think that's 310 00:31:01.840 --> 00:31:08.160 kind of like a little bit of backstory of what people would have thought at the time was that 311 00:31:08.160 --> 00:31:13.120 helpful yeah and I think a little bit more is also in the Jewish culture as well it's even a part 312 00:31:13.120 --> 00:31:17.600 of their like morning prayers it's part of their line in that was they were thanking God for not 313 00:31:17.600 --> 00:31:25.120 being a gentle a slave or a woman so that's how the Jews even at the time viewed those sets of 314 00:31:25.120 --> 00:31:30.880 people wasn't as people it was like objects they thanked that they were not one of them so again 315 00:31:30.880 --> 00:31:36.400 even poor writing this is trying to break down that culture and to be honest even this section if 316 00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:41.360 you look at how much written is about the wives which is often the bit that gets taken and used 317 00:31:41.360 --> 00:31:47.600 not very imparingly towards women the the chunk on women is this long the chunk on the call for men 318 00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:56.480 is like yeah a lot longer one thing is you and I found out was that the words submit is is composed 319 00:31:56.480 --> 00:32:04.160 in the original I think it's Greek by two separate words kind of brought together which is one is 320 00:32:04.800 --> 00:32:13.760 to stand and one is under and so to submit can also be like hopefully understood as to stand 321 00:32:13.760 --> 00:32:19.760 under someone just like to prop them up support them but one interesting thing that Darryl Johnson 322 00:32:19.760 --> 00:32:29.440 says is that actually this is a call to understand one another and the way that you understand someone 323 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:36.720 is by standing under them it's cool like co-wordplay but in that sense we are literally like the one 324 00:32:36.720 --> 00:32:42.560 of the deepest forms of of loving someone else is to truly understand yeah and if we're willing 325 00:32:42.560 --> 00:32:49.760 to like sacrifice our own desires our own needs to prop up someone else and to help them where 326 00:32:49.760 --> 00:32:56.400 they need help that is going to make us understand what they're going through and like that is love 327 00:32:56.480 --> 00:33:02.400 you also read about it in 1p to 3 as well which we've done a podcast series on so if you want to 328 00:33:02.400 --> 00:33:07.040 check that out for more like context on this whole like submission like conversation definitely 329 00:33:07.040 --> 00:33:11.840 check it out but one of the things it talks about is how we're both like men and women are both 330 00:33:11.840 --> 00:33:19.440 co-airs right they're both like they both inherit like from Jesus so yeah like even in early 331 00:33:19.440 --> 00:33:25.360 year-on in Ephesians it talks about how like their spiritual blessings that we get to inherit as 332 00:33:25.360 --> 00:33:30.480 children of God which means we both inherit it which means there's an equal calling to both of us 333 00:33:30.480 --> 00:33:35.680 and I think the understanding point is really cool because when you understand that the other person 334 00:33:35.680 --> 00:33:41.200 is also a child of God when you understand that the other person is also a coer with Christ and when 335 00:33:41.200 --> 00:33:46.960 you understand that they also inherit the blessings of the Father just as you do yeah then why would you 336 00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:52.720 not like respect each other treat each other in love and ultimately like submit as part of this 337 00:33:52.720 --> 00:33:57.600 like one body analogy which Paul talks about and he talks about it in 1st Corinthians as well 338 00:33:57.600 --> 00:34:03.280 but we're all the I like the body analogy because we're all part of this inheritance we're all part 339 00:34:03.280 --> 00:34:07.600 of this one calling like it's not that one part is more important than the other no way all you know 340 00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:13.840 it's correct yeah and it really is to wives stand under husbands husbands stand under wives so 341 00:34:13.840 --> 00:34:22.640 it's not this hierarchy thing you can't draw the graph of wives to husbands oh but it's we're 342 00:34:22.640 --> 00:34:28.720 just called to stand under each other and we're all under Christ yeah so we're all at the same 343 00:34:28.720 --> 00:34:35.520 like playing field anyway hmm I find it interesting um specifically like moving through the passage 344 00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:44.000 the husband is the head um and then it basically is introduced this idea that Christ has a similar 345 00:34:44.000 --> 00:34:52.800 relationship to the church as husbands do for wives I think that's like an incredibly high calling 346 00:34:52.800 --> 00:35:00.320 yeah crazy because you look at how does Jesus use his headship how does Jesus use his being 347 00:35:00.320 --> 00:35:08.880 as God on earth the only thing worthy of praise and actually he uses that to save 348 00:35:09.600 --> 00:35:17.440 the whole church he dies for the whole church and I think that that's like the ultimate form of 349 00:35:17.440 --> 00:35:27.600 submission is Jesus using his authority um to serve I almost want to ask you guys like um because I 350 00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:35.520 think something that makes it really hard to to submit to someone else is when they are like 351 00:35:35.520 --> 00:35:43.600 a domineering individual but I think who wouldn't want to submit to a husband who's living in 352 00:35:43.600 --> 00:35:49.520 Christ's example who wouldn't want to submit to someone who's willing to give up their life to 353 00:35:49.520 --> 00:35:55.440 see them grow closer to Christ to see them improve spiritually I would want to submit to someone who's 354 00:35:55.520 --> 00:36:00.240 helping me out in that sense and actually I do because I want to submit to Christ and that's the 355 00:36:00.240 --> 00:36:04.720 cope of type of relationship Christ has with us it almost feels weird saying yeah I'll be up for 356 00:36:04.720 --> 00:36:11.520 like submitting to someone but I think it's understanding what the actual call is for the wives and 357 00:36:11.520 --> 00:36:18.000 husbands so the wives are saying submit for the husbands are saying love your wife yeah and that's 358 00:36:18.000 --> 00:36:23.440 that agape love and we've talked about loads before and the whole like he if you're looking at Jesus 359 00:36:23.440 --> 00:36:30.560 as a leader he came and he washed feet he came and he died on the cross he came this word head it's 360 00:36:31.120 --> 00:36:35.680 actually it's kind of word of like source of beginning like a river it's like a source of life 361 00:36:35.680 --> 00:36:43.280 and so if you're understanding head is this like leader that's dominant and um that's not Jesus that's 362 00:36:43.280 --> 00:36:47.680 if you think being ahead of a household is being this dominant person who tells everyone what to do 363 00:36:47.680 --> 00:36:52.080 then you've got the wrong understanding or Jesus was like is the head of the church because he came 364 00:36:52.080 --> 00:36:58.000 as the king of kings the creator of the universe and washed our feet if someone was to fully understand 365 00:36:58.000 --> 00:37:05.360 the call of husbands I wouldn't be I would love to submit to that and I think there's all like I 366 00:37:05.360 --> 00:37:11.200 really like what you said and that verse about how Christ didn't come to like to be served but to 367 00:37:11.200 --> 00:37:18.080 serve and how like that is the call of both husbands and wives it's to serve each other because 368 00:37:18.160 --> 00:37:23.360 as we've like talked about a lot in Ephesians it's all about the outworking of your faith okay call 369 00:37:23.360 --> 00:37:28.400 like now that we understand who Jesus is and we understand that we have the Holy Spirit how does 370 00:37:28.400 --> 00:37:34.400 that transcend to our actual lives and how we live and that comes out in service you know 371 00:37:34.400 --> 00:37:39.360 in marriage you serve both parties serve each other but it's actually in their union that 372 00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:43.840 Christ is able to shine and like people can see the love of Jesus and even at the end of this it 373 00:37:43.840 --> 00:37:49.600 says and this is the great mystery verse 32 but it is an illusion of the way that Christ and the 374 00:37:49.600 --> 00:37:56.160 church are one so like the way that in the church Christ is revealed it's an it's like a analogy 375 00:37:56.160 --> 00:38:01.360 for the marriage in that inner marriage as both people submit to each other as both people love 376 00:38:01.360 --> 00:38:06.400 each other and as both people commit to serving each other then Christ love will ultimately be 377 00:38:06.400 --> 00:38:11.920 revealed I just think it's really cool that serving is also at the bedrock and the heart of what it 378 00:38:11.920 --> 00:38:16.720 means to submit but also what it means to love as well I also think that the Bible 379 00:38:18.160 --> 00:38:23.360 loves women and we need to remember that Jesus loves women if you're ever reading a passage which 380 00:38:23.360 --> 00:38:28.480 feels a bit like oh this doesn't really feel that empowering for women then that's not being understood 381 00:38:28.480 --> 00:38:33.600 correctly like you see it throughout the first evangelist the first witness of Jesus being raised 382 00:38:33.600 --> 00:38:38.720 in the dead like multiple times he uses women and loves women and I also we did some some of our 383 00:38:38.720 --> 00:38:45.440 research was this guy Dara Johnson lot spoke about how the verse of 22 of wives submit yourself 384 00:38:45.440 --> 00:38:50.160 to your own husbands and many Bibles it's italicized which means actually wasn't included in the original 385 00:38:50.160 --> 00:38:55.440 text and it was kind of like the people translated it added it for just to help with the flow but it 386 00:38:55.440 --> 00:39:01.360 kind of takes away the message a little bit because the point was is that wives were already being 387 00:39:01.360 --> 00:39:07.600 subject they ordered like the men were already the head of the household in the dominant way and 388 00:39:07.600 --> 00:39:13.920 actually it was the point was the women of the example was here this is the wives are submitting 389 00:39:13.920 --> 00:39:19.120 the children are submitting the slaves are submitting and using them as the example for the husbands 390 00:39:19.120 --> 00:39:25.280 and parents fatherism and master to to use and I thought that that's also really beautiful and 391 00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:30.240 empowering we were struck by so much stuff that I'm finding it hard to like structure all the stuff 392 00:39:30.800 --> 00:39:37.760 we learned well another another interesting thing that's kind of near to the end of the passage 393 00:39:38.480 --> 00:39:48.080 is he who loves his wife loves himself and I was like what the heck do you mean by that and it's 394 00:39:48.080 --> 00:39:54.320 seems as though it's explained later in in the fact that a man shall leave his 395 00:39:54.880 --> 00:40:00.560 um shall leave his parents and be joined with the wife and they'll be one flesh so like because 396 00:40:00.560 --> 00:40:06.400 you're one flesh actually what benefits one benefits the other yeah but the explanation that I kind of 397 00:40:06.400 --> 00:40:14.880 like um a bit a bit more than that that I find a bit more satisfying that is that um we all have the 398 00:40:14.880 --> 00:40:26.160 need to um to learn to love others and they're actually husbands benefit from loving their wives 399 00:40:26.160 --> 00:40:31.840 and submitting to their wives so that is an opportunity for them to radically go against the grain 400 00:40:31.840 --> 00:40:40.720 of the culture at the time and learn what is to love so in in another sense to the one flesh 401 00:40:41.600 --> 00:40:48.800 it's also an opportunity for you to actually benefit yourself from fulfilling one of our greatest 402 00:40:48.800 --> 00:40:55.440 needs as humans which is to know what it is to love someone else I think that's really powerful 403 00:40:55.440 --> 00:41:01.200 that's so good how often do you do you consider the fact that one of your greatest needs is to 404 00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:08.320 love others yeah and greatest commands and greatest commands love your neighbor they're like this 405 00:41:08.400 --> 00:41:15.920 and who's your closest neighbor your wife your spouse or it's almost the most closest neighbor where 406 00:41:15.920 --> 00:41:21.760 you can live out this command of loving like Jesus and what a challenge and cool that that is 407 00:41:22.720 --> 00:41:29.760 and then I think this chunk of household relationships it really does feed into the children and 408 00:41:29.760 --> 00:41:37.520 parent and um slave and master which a fusion six podcast will come up next but again it's 409 00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:42.720 that I think that idea of like submitting and standing under and raising them up and elevating 410 00:41:42.720 --> 00:41:49.840 them it's in the same way that um a slave will submit to a master it's actually the master needs to 411 00:41:49.840 --> 00:41:54.880 submit to a slave and like actually I think if we're taken out of the husband and wife context 412 00:41:54.880 --> 00:41:59.520 we get a little we can take it a little bit less emotionally and understand it a bit separately 413 00:41:59.680 --> 00:42:06.080 actually it's like that's the core yeah for the for the master is that it is to submit and 414 00:42:06.080 --> 00:42:12.160 treat and love in the same way that the the slave submits and loves and because we're submitting 415 00:42:12.160 --> 00:42:16.880 to Christ first that's out of it's out of response to Jesus as response being filled with the Holy 416 00:42:16.880 --> 00:42:21.600 Spirit that we want to love others and submit others and if slave and master makes it feel a little 417 00:42:21.600 --> 00:42:27.120 bit less close to home then take that principle and then apply it to husbands and wives they are 418 00:42:27.120 --> 00:42:32.800 equal they are like submitting to one another out of response first submitting to Jesus and being 419 00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:38.800 filled with His Spirit and it's as beautiful it's a big call it's a big call on both sides 420 00:42:39.360 --> 00:42:44.640 it's almost the same call this is almost the call is writing this as the correction of like 421 00:42:44.640 --> 00:42:50.800 this is we both need to do this but in this culture husbands weren't really doing that so this is 422 00:42:50.800 --> 00:42:55.760 poor correcting what was happening and being like you need to love your wife and using Jesus as 423 00:42:55.760 --> 00:43:00.880 the example and how he loves the church where he literally died literally died for that for her 424 00:43:00.880 --> 00:43:05.840 sake we're all the bride we're all the bride of Christ for all the church he literally died as the 425 00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:13.920 level he went to submitting to his bride it's quite quite a bit cool as a you'll be a husband one day 426 00:43:13.920 --> 00:43:21.120 how does that make you feel yeah it's pretty big call yeah maybe I will be a husband one day 427 00:43:22.080 --> 00:43:30.480 yeah maybe I'll have to die for my wife for you but you still gotta do that now and I think that's 428 00:43:30.480 --> 00:43:35.920 the interesting part of this is that we can read this and think oh well I'm not married so this 429 00:43:35.920 --> 00:43:41.680 isn't applied to me but you're you're a child and you've got a parent or you have somebody that 430 00:43:41.680 --> 00:43:46.800 you work for maybe it's a boss maybe it's a teacher and I think why I love the way that Paul writes 431 00:43:46.880 --> 00:43:52.160 is that he doesn't use these like ethereal concepts that are so far out of here that I just don't 432 00:43:52.160 --> 00:43:57.840 understand how I can walk as a Christian or what does it mean to actually live for God no these 433 00:43:57.840 --> 00:44:04.000 are like real life like societal examples of how you can be married you can work for whoever and 434 00:44:04.000 --> 00:44:10.880 you can within these like societal like institutions or structures God can redeem those things 435 00:44:10.880 --> 00:44:15.680 and so actually let's not read this the these passages of scripture and be like oh it doesn't 436 00:44:15.680 --> 00:44:19.680 apply to me so I don't need to live it out no actually Paul was calling us to whatever part of 437 00:44:19.680 --> 00:44:24.480 society you were in yeah whether it's your family or your friends or in school whatever there are 438 00:44:24.480 --> 00:44:29.120 opportunities to submit to one another and to show that Christ like love and so this isn't just 439 00:44:29.120 --> 00:44:33.520 for some people this is actually for all of us because if we are all filled with the Holy Spirit 440 00:44:33.520 --> 00:44:38.400 then out of that place we are all going to submit yeah and so it might just look different like 441 00:44:38.400 --> 00:44:42.480 it might look different to somebody that's married or it might look different to somebody that's 442 00:44:43.280 --> 00:44:48.400 like a parent with a child but submission is still submission and it's in reverence for Christ 443 00:44:48.400 --> 00:44:52.640 but for one another well that's when he expands it where it's about like we are the bride of Christ 444 00:44:52.640 --> 00:44:57.600 and we're all the body and there was a fantastic quote that I will let you do it if you have it 445 00:44:57.600 --> 00:45:02.560 in your head that it was it was talking about the love of Jesus and when he was washing the 446 00:45:02.560 --> 00:45:08.720 disciples feet and in response to washing the feet he then said go and wash each other's feet 447 00:45:08.720 --> 00:45:15.040 instead of washing mine I mean I literally had just flipped open to John 13 because I was thinking 448 00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:22.080 about that story where Jesus washes the disciples feet which is like a common courtesy at a like a 449 00:45:22.080 --> 00:45:28.960 dinner party at at that time in that place and he says if I then your Lord and teacher have washed 450 00:45:28.960 --> 00:45:35.760 your feet you also ought to wash one another's feet for I've given you an example that you also 451 00:45:35.760 --> 00:45:42.240 should do just as I've done to you and it's this idea that Jesus the greatest in the kingdom 452 00:45:42.240 --> 00:45:48.080 is the first to wash the feet no one had washed his feet at that point but he chose to proactively 453 00:45:48.080 --> 00:45:54.080 get on the ground get out a towel and be in to wash the feet of those rounding even though he's 454 00:45:54.080 --> 00:45:59.600 literally God surrounded by a bunch of humans yeah he chooses to get on the ground first and it's 455 00:45:59.600 --> 00:46:07.200 that concept that as a member of the kingdom of God as a Christian follower of Christ those of us 456 00:46:07.200 --> 00:46:14.320 who want to be great in the kingdom those of us who want to do extra for Jesus our call 457 00:46:14.960 --> 00:46:20.640 is to be the first on the ground with the towel and that's what good greatness looks like in the 458 00:46:20.640 --> 00:46:25.760 kingdom and this quote from Darrell I think just sums that up perfectly it's that our neighbor 459 00:46:25.760 --> 00:46:33.520 is the appointed agent authorized to receive what we owe to the master so what Jesus has given us 460 00:46:33.520 --> 00:46:39.840 where he's washed our feet where he's died for us where he's shown up for us he requests that we 461 00:46:39.840 --> 00:46:47.600 would do the same for others wow wow is that reading us no one's discounted from that man no yeah 462 00:46:47.600 --> 00:46:53.440 there's not a single wife or husband that's that this call doesn't go out there's not a single 463 00:46:53.440 --> 00:46:59.280 son daughter or parent that this doesn't go out there's no one yeah everyone is called to live 464 00:46:59.280 --> 00:47:04.640 this out in all of our relationships it's always going to be hard yeah but it's always going to 465 00:47:04.640 --> 00:47:10.320 be just a special man hmm let's leave so that's a challenge we're going to leave that on facts 466 00:47:10.320 --> 00:47:17.120 in response of Jesus washing our feet we're told to wash others in that hypothetical sense yeah I 467 00:47:17.120 --> 00:47:23.920 think if you if literally if you want to take your face to the next level start considering who 468 00:47:23.920 --> 00:47:29.520 around you you can better serve that's great that's the call for the week yeah and on that we're 469 00:47:29.520 --> 00:47:36.160 ending this podcast here emoji they can leave in the comments oh my gosh a bride emoji bride 470 00:47:36.160 --> 00:47:40.480 bride or agreement emoji but I feel like brides bit more like boom just like a guy in a suit 471 00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:46.080 you know I mean um brides like in a veil anyway yeah come on bride emoji um thank you for joining 472 00:47:46.080 --> 00:47:51.360 us and we hope you enjoyed it there's so much more in this passage make sure you like look into 473 00:47:51.360 --> 00:47:59.200 yourself and check out how Johnson as we quoted it so yeah you should change your brain yeah literally 474 00:47:59.920 --> 00:48:06.480 so look into it read more expand your brain we challenged on how we can serve others and like 475 00:48:06.560 --> 00:48:12.800 and comment and subscribe and do all that good stuff and stay tuned for Ephesians six hey bye 476 00:48:13.840 --> 00:48:17.520 bye bye