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Hey guys, welcome back to another episode of The Way UK podcast.

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My name is Zenya and I'm here with Jessie.

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Hey, hey.

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Jessie, we're on the couch.

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Yeah, we are.

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I'm loving it.

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Just, I'm just naming the obvious.

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You know, some people are listening.

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Yeah, they don't know.

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They don't see you.

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Yeah, we're on the orange couch.

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And it's vibes.

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And today, we are joined with a very, very special guest

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on the podcast.

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We have West with us.

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How are you doing?

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Come on.

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How are you doing?

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Woo-hoo-hoo.

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Woo-hoo-hoo.

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Yeah, look out the way.

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Hey.

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How are you doing?

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It's good. How are you?

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I'm good, you know.

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I'm good.

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It's a beautiful day.

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So, yeah, happy to be here.

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We want suns out.

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Suns out, yeah.

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Just suns out.

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I know you can tell the legs are out.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's great.

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Now, we're going to have fun today because, guys,

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it's not just a good day because of the weather.

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No, we have West on the pods to share his story,

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his testimony, that what God's done in his life.

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Some of you guys may know him from social media,

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from TikTok and stuff, or we'll get into that.

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I don't want to give it all away yet.

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But yeah, we'll just talk about what God's done in your life

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and stuff that you're seeing, experiencing.

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How God's using you.

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So, let's jump in.

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Sweet.

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Hello, interrupting this podcast to say,

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please like, comment, and subscribe if you're watching

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on YouTube and leave a follow and a rating

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if you're listening on Apple podcasts or on Spotify.

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As our goal here at the way is to share the good news

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of Jesus with every young person online.

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And you're doing any of those things

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would really help out with that, okay?

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Thanks for listening.

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Back to the pod.

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West, it'd be great if you could,

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I guess give us a little, who are you?

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That whistle stopped or who is West?

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That's a good question.

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What does he do like?

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It's the vibes.

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So, starting from the beginning,

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most kids are not, I grew up playing football.

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So, yeah, I did that for most of my life.

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And then, as everyone, stop playing injuries,

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knee injury, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

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knee injury, um, and then, I kind of realized,

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that was my whole identity.

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So, like, what do I do?

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But then, I still wanted to be successful.

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So, like, you know, I'm going to sales,

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you know, I can make money that way great.

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So, did that, and from doing that,

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traveled the world, went to Dubai, working out there,

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and it was always just like I was chasing money.

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That was like the main goal.

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I feel like everyone had that hustle culture.

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So, it was just, you know, get money

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and everything else will kind of make sense after.

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And then, one day, randomly,

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I was in and around the music industry.

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So, a lot of my friends or artists and producers,

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but they were doing their thing,

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but no one had their moment yet.

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or C19 in case you guys want,

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it's not that working.

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You know where to stop people, yeah?

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One of my friends, his song went crazy on TikTok,

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and then, overnight, we moved to America,

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we're living out there touring,

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signed a big record contract,

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and it was like a baptism of fire, if I'm honest.

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It was from a very like normal kind of London life,

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you know, to nightly flights a year,

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out every other day, doing all these different things,

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which were like meeting amazing people,

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but again, it was that classic clip.

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We were chasing something, which there was no end goal,

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because it was not like, once you get here, you finished.

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So, to cut a long story short,

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after a few years of just like,

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if you know about the music industry,

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it's very dark, party and alcohol.

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Just in general, it's a very,

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you know, I want to say, backstabby,

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but people, it's like a crab's in a bucket,

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everyone wants to be at the top,

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and you realize you can never be at the top.

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So, I kind of achieved my goals like,

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in my eyes, I wanted to tour the world, you know,

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go platinum, all these things,

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but then I still felt so empty,

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like there was just nothing fulfilling me anymore in that.

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I didn't really want to reply to emails anymore,

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or, you know, hit up someone about the session,

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or whatever it may be.

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So, I kind of took a little,

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is this a battle call?

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Is that what you call it?

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Well, you take like a break from work?

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Yeah, because I called it like paternity leave,

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and they're like,

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not that means you need to have a child,

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and I was like, okay.

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and I just moved to Bali.

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Don't know why, I was in Japan,

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and I came back, and I stopped off there for a couple of days,

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and I stayed in the proper remote part,

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and this is nice.

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So, I ended up back in London, and I was like,

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oh, it's felt so mundane,

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and yeah, I had no real guide of what I was doing in my life.

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When I was gonna be able to be there for a couple months,

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a couple of months, time to a year and a half,

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and I'm buying off in all places,

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that's where I ended up finding faith in Bali.

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Yeah, that's like a speed run of the last 20 plus years.

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Well, that in itself is just a lot.

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Even talking about you growing up,

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and I guess even going back to the beginning,

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of you growing up and being into sport,

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and finding your passion and identity

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through playing football and stuff,

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I feel like we can all relate,

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or I can at least relate,

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like growing up, you find that thing that you like,

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whether it's music, whether it's sport,

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whether it's academics,

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and it's like, this is my thing.

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This is, and it almost becomes like who you are.

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Like, when people see football, they see you,

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like they just associate,

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because that's just, you know, that's your thing.

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And I think like, it's so easy to get your identity caught up

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in like what you do.

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therefore that's who I am.

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And then like when that thing gets taken away,

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then you just feel like the rug's been pulled from your feet,

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like, okay, then who am I then?

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Like, that's like really, really tough.

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And I think so many people can relate to that.

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I definitely can.

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And yeah, I don't know, I feel like God,

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God often does that.

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Like he often will take that thing away,

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as if to almost like,

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almost expose and be like, okay, cool.

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I've kind of made this thing into a bigger deal

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than like even God.

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And yeah, I don't know,

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I just find it interesting how in a lot of our stories,

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God often does that.

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He often takes that thing away.

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I feel like in my eyes, in a lot of times,

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I was like, it's like two choices, right?

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So let's say the music industry, I had a decision,

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I remember very vividly that I could even go on tour

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and I had a partner at the time.

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And it was like, well, it was like knowing,

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trying to work it out, life, everyone's doing that thing.

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whether I go and chase my dreams or live a,

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I won't say normal life, but you know,

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work things out, who knows,

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have a kid, whatever it may be.

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you're kind of dealt with these two choices.

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And it's very hard to decide which is the right choice

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because you're offered everything

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you've ever dreamed of here or the mundane

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and the ordinary or the comfortable.

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And you're like, you know, you grew up to be like,

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always go after your goals and your dreams.

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But then sometimes, or a lot of the time,

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that's not what you really wanted.

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That's what you thought you want

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because that's like your own ego pushing

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towards money, fame, success, whatever it may be.

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And that's not what you're actually,

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that's not your purpose.

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That's what you thought was the choice

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or the option you had to take.

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But you have so many different choices.

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And that's how I felt.

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I felt like it was like a no-brainer.

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And looking back in hindsight,

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it's like I had so many decisions to try and find

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for filming in other areas,

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not just money and status effectively.

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So yeah, it's funny how it can work

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and it's just the sermon.

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It's hard.

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It's having to write the sermon.

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It's having to hide.

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It's a muscle.

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Yeah, it's all.

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It is.

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Yeah, I've never been to Bali,

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but I do hear the rumors of what it's like.

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Peaceful, remote, lovely,

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but also it's a head of two seas, I guess.

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Yeah, a little bit of a Sodom sitch.

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Janet.

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And I guess it's profound to hear

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that you went to a place which is known for just drugs,

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alcohol, sex, all of the above.

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It at least from my,

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it's not the only thing it's known for,

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but that's why all my school friends went to Bali.

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And yet you found God there.

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I'd love to hear that story.

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I brought was the process in that.

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It's really, I love this story.

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It's not destiny, but I love it because it's so like,

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again, out of any place, Bali,

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and the leading up to it.

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So when I originally moved it,

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I was kind of just going like a boxing retreat.

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I saw loads of boxing gyms.

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Like this is perfect, you know, tropical.

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So I was there and if I'm honest,

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I kind of isolated myself from all the party

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and in the lifestyle I was used to,

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I was trying to really just lock in.

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And I'm fine with one of my friends

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who I knew from London.

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Like, no, you know people,

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but you don't stay in touch with them.

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And then I pumped into him once.

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I was like, what are you doing?

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He's like, what are you doing here?

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And it's like, oh, so we stayed in touch.

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And then me, my other friend,

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who I'm meeting a boxing gym,

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who like me and him will just hang around.

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He's from like East London,

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so I was like, okay, like home, right?

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And this guy I knew, we,

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not like a trio, but we'd do stuff together,

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I'll go boxing gym.

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And then one day,

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my friend was like, oh, there's a church.

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Do you want to go to the church?

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And none's ever invited me to church.

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Other than years ago, when I went to one,

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and it was one of the worst experiences I've ever had,

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so I was like, yeah, like, I'm good.

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But then it was like, no one's ever asked since.

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So I went to this church and I'm,

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he was super chill, like that.

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I'll be real, he said like there's spring rolls

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or sausage rolls or something like that.

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And I was like, there's free food on my head.

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I need it today.

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So let's go.

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I've got to tell me to ask.

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And my other friend was actually Muslim.

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So he was like, sure, if there's food,

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I guess it would like to say there's a Muslim.

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And I'd say, not an atheist,

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but someone who didn't really have faith.

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And a Christian going into his church

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and a hotel conference room with like 25 people

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from all over America to Europe, in the nation.

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And super small, very intimate, as you can imagine.

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But this is like my first, like non-intense form of chat.

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I went to one of the very intense

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and very pressuring.

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So I was like, oh, this is pretty chill.

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They had a little guitar they were singing.

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I love this.

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So we went back every week, right?

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And this carried on for over a year.

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Wow.

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I was going to this church.

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And now, new tribe Bali,

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certainly tribe Bali.

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They're over like four, five hundred people now.

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They've had to move into basically

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the biggest nightclub in Bali.

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Because just space wise,

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I see the only thing which can accommodate

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that many people with air condition,

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because it's just too hot.

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So I'm from 20 people to hundreds.

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And I saw it from the ground from February

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when it started all the way to now,

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like a year and a bit later.

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But with that, I found myself kind of going

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to churches like a routine.

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And I didn't really understand,

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I didn't read the Bible at this point.

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I never read the Bible.

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So for me, it was just a fact of you go church.

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It equals good Christian, right?

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So I was doing that, but I was using it more like a TED talk.

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And never really understanding what's being said.

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It's like, be nice to your parents.

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I'm like, cool.

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Gonna miss you my third.

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Have a good day.

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I was making a difference, but never understood why.

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And then, anyway, one of my other friends

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and he, fine off, was somewhere hung around

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with a lot of music as well.

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He moved to Bali and it kind of,

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we just went back into that old life party and drinking.

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And I really didn't drink at this point.

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So not only did it affect me just like mentally,

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but I just had no energy.

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I was sleeping until silly o'clock.

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And then, yeah, my friend came who I worked

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with in the music industry.

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And we kind of got sucked back into that old life.

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So three months, we were just party and drinking.

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I didn't really drink at this point.

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So it just kind of, not only physically was our type,

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but like mentally, I had no energy.

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And I just felt like, not the press,

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but I just had my purpose to just completely not win.

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The order like hard work I'd done straight away

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just went disappeared.

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So, yeah, in November, the 13th of November, 2024,

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I was laying in bed.

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And by the way, no one knows this story.

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I've only told like one person.

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I don't think people would think I was like,

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losing my mind because when we were here at what,

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the laying in bed, and this was I think,

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on the back of maybe like two nights out in a row.

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And I was feeling real sorry for myself.

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And I was trying to go to sleep.

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And I remember I'd like a YouTube video on,

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and my air conditioning units.

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I was like, laying on my side.

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I was like, looking that way.

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And then whilst I was drifting off,

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I know where like everything became so vivid

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and I just couldn't move.

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And I've never had sleep paralysis before.

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Ever like, I've heard about it,

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but I'm like, if you have it or you don't,

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and I'm called my whole life,

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never even having an issue falling asleep,

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I just couldn't move.

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And then in that moment,

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I heard this like massive whooshing sound behind me.

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And this isn't like a thing where it's like,

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oh, this dream was really vivid.

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Like, I remember vividly like the YouTube video

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was on, the air conditioning's on 23 degrees.

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Like, I was still there.

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It was just like, couldn't move.

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And I heard it behind me and it was a like a,

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if you could imagine like a groan,

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but I'm not gonna do it,

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but like, maybe the sound I could dub one in.

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It was proper like, it was quite intense.

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I wasn't saying I was scared.

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I just felt so uncomfortable,

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most uncomfortable ever fighting my life.

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Cause I was like, is this it?

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And I wanted to turn and face it,

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but I just couldn't.

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Like, I physically couldn't turn.

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So I was like, it wasn't getting close.

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It was just in the back like,

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in the corner of my room,

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just making his groan and whooshing sound.

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I was like, who or what is this?

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Like, I'm clearly being visited by like a devil or a demon.

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And I was, yeah, like borderline scared.

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Like, I was thinking this is it.

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And luckily, months before my friend who had sleep paralysis

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was like, the only way he used to get

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was like wiggling his hands.

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So I was trying to like wiggle my hands like,

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well, something's like, I think trying to get me.

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And then it felt like my consciousness was,

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this whole time it was from my point of view,

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but then I know it felt like I was also watching it

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from like a third person point of view.

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I just felt myself come back into my body

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and like, like effectively woke up.

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But I was still awake.

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It just felt like I had control again.

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And that whooshing sound straight away.

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I turned around and it was just gone.

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Nothing was there.

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And the YouTube video was carry on playing

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from the same moment I was watching it.

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I mean, it's like some guy who builds cars,

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like fixes like cars.

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And I was like, that's what I used to fall asleep to.

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And then still going and fixing his car's the air

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call was still on 23 degrees.

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And I was like, oh my God, I got visited by the devil.

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Like, there's no other, like there's no other scenario.

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And I'm a super logical guy.

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And I was like, that was real.

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And then I kind of took stock and I always journaled it.

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I wrote down and I realized like looking back

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from a journal, it was just I woke up today

436
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feeling that sorry for myself, feeling down,

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went out last night.

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And it was just like a period and I felt like for once,

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like God's mercy and like his armor,

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he allowed me to get, he showed me that if you carry on

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like this, this is what it looks like.

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And I felt like my whole life I've been protected,

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but I always took credit for it.

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So a good thing would happen when I'd get out

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of a really bad situation.

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And I'm like, I'm so smart.

447
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Of course, like, I can't believe I thought of that.

448
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All that out of the grace of God,

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something was that happened.

450
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There's a miracle email.

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Something to really get me out of a bad situation.

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And I'm like, I'm so clever.

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And carry on my life.

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And I've been through situations when I prayed.

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And I'm like, please God help me this.

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As soon as I'm out of it, that was it.

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Carry on with normal life.

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And then that moment, I was like,

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this isn't, if this isn't a sign I don't know what is.

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And everything, it was like a complete 180

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from when I used to go to church.

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There was a different purpose towards it now.

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Going out completely stuck like I need to make a change now

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because I felt what darkness feels like.

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And I was very close to it.

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It wasn't moving towards me.

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It was more like if I moved towards it.

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And I feel like the metaphor in my head was,

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it wasn't coming after me.

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It was like I was coming after it.

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It didn't move in my room.

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It was just there.

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So yeah, I started having more intention,

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again, making more, trying to make more wires

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the decisions with who I was surrounding myself with.

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And I just found myself in body,

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just going to church on Sunday, boxing and church.

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And then from that, one of my friends,

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like a good friend, we was in the gym together

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and he was like, what are you even doing a weekend?

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You know what I mean?

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I only look forward to going to church.

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Like I really do feel like that's the only place

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where it brings me happiness here.

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That church, you got to church.

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And obviously like stereotypically,

487
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I don't probably look like someone who goes to church.

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And he was like, you know, I've always thought about that

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faith thing, but it's never really been for me.

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It's where he should try it.

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And like three weeks later, he got baptized.

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Wow.

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And in my head, I was like, whoa.

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That's, it makes like, and one day he will tell his testimony,

495
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he will probably bring this up.

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What an amazing person this guy is.

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And he's been through so much,

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but the fact that like, they've saved him.

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Like, and I saw it with my own eyes from someone

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who never even wanted to.

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And just the fact of, oh, you go to church.

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And then this thing just clicked in his head

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and then three weeks later, I was there at his baptism.

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And I was like, okay, this is real.

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So in Bali, just again, boxing in church.

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And I was like, it still felt very unfulfilled

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if I'm honest.

508
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Like, there was something missing.

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I was like, it's because I'm here.

510
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In Bali, there's a lot of spirits.

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There's a lot of, like you said, drugs, alcohol partying.

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And there's a lot of lost people looking for something, right?

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And they're looking in the wrong areas.

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And I was like, I definitely fit it into that bracket

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without knowing.

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So I feel like I've done everything I need to do here.

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I've got the nugget.

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Like, this is why I came here.

519
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I didn't understand why I thought I'd just have

520
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go there to get like, in good shape.

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But this was why I came here.

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And then I came back to London.

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And then yeah, like six weeks ago,

524
00:18:02.080 --> 00:18:04.360
I just posted video like, guys, I'm looking for a church

525
00:18:04.360 --> 00:18:06.440
because I was just vlogging my life anyway.

526
00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:08.200
So if I went to Thailand, I'd be like,

527
00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:09.920
oh, today, come on me to go to this church

528
00:18:09.920 --> 00:18:11.520
or come on me to go to this market.

529
00:18:11.520 --> 00:18:13.840
So it was just like part of my routine.

530
00:18:13.840 --> 00:18:15.840
I put up a video asking for a church to go to

531
00:18:15.840 --> 00:18:17.960
and people, yeah, people once said,

532
00:18:17.960 --> 00:18:20.440
God, I said, and I just had so many places to check out.

533
00:18:20.440 --> 00:18:22.760
And then I guess that's, I'm here.

534
00:18:22.760 --> 00:18:25.920
So yeah, that's like a testimony and storyline

535
00:18:25.920 --> 00:18:27.040
all in one.

536
00:18:27.040 --> 00:18:28.040
That's just a long time limit.

537
00:18:28.040 --> 00:18:29.480
Yeah, yeah.

538
00:18:29.480 --> 00:18:30.640
Wow.

539
00:18:30.640 --> 00:18:32.800
Don't even kind of crazy, but this has to happen.

540
00:18:32.800 --> 00:18:33.640
No, no, no, no.

541
00:18:33.640 --> 00:18:34.480
This is crazy.

542
00:18:34.880 --> 00:18:39.480
It's just profound from like the church filling the nightclubs

543
00:18:42.000 --> 00:18:44.080
in Bali at the moment.

544
00:18:44.080 --> 00:18:46.240
That was the first thing that kind of struck me a bit.

545
00:18:46.240 --> 00:18:50.440
It's like in the UK, you see a lot of churches

546
00:18:50.440 --> 00:18:53.520
being sold to nightclubs to become nightclubs.

547
00:18:53.520 --> 00:18:54.760
No one's going to church.

548
00:18:55.920 --> 00:18:58.560
Whereas it's like kind of the flip side,

549
00:18:58.560 --> 00:18:59.880
which is just mind blowing.

550
00:18:59.880 --> 00:19:00.800
It's like, wow, great.

551
00:19:00.800 --> 00:19:03.320
God is moving so clearly.

552
00:19:03.320 --> 00:19:04.160
Yeah.

553
00:19:04.320 --> 00:19:05.080
That's so cool.

554
00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:09.920
And then to hear your story of just meeting Jesus

555
00:19:09.920 --> 00:19:14.920
so kind of like randomly and like without much strategy

556
00:19:16.120 --> 00:19:18.760
from like a lot of the churches,

557
00:19:18.760 --> 00:19:22.720
I find her like very strat, like strategic.

558
00:19:22.720 --> 00:19:24.080
And like, oh, this is how we can reach,

559
00:19:24.080 --> 00:19:26.400
which is amazing and strategy is God breathed.

560
00:19:26.400 --> 00:19:29.680
But I just love how many stories

561
00:19:29.680 --> 00:19:32.840
there are at the moment where people just wander in

562
00:19:32.840 --> 00:19:35.200
or just have the thought or just arrive

563
00:19:35.200 --> 00:19:38.840
because a friend invited them and it just rocks their world.

564
00:19:38.840 --> 00:19:41.400
Along before you believe, that was me.

565
00:19:41.400 --> 00:19:45.760
I was along to a church, but I didn't really have that belief.

566
00:19:45.760 --> 00:19:47.480
And I think there was some one day

567
00:19:47.480 --> 00:19:49.320
there will be something that clicks.

568
00:19:49.320 --> 00:19:52.960
And I like your sort of churches in a nightclub.

569
00:19:52.960 --> 00:19:53.960
It's like a great analogy

570
00:19:53.960 --> 00:19:56.600
because I think it's a time where now we need to meet

571
00:19:56.600 --> 00:19:58.520
the people where they're at.

572
00:19:58.520 --> 00:20:00.000
And that's what it's about.

573
00:20:00.000 --> 00:20:01.920
Instead of the more I read,

574
00:20:01.920 --> 00:20:03.800
the more I learn about who Jesus was,

575
00:20:03.800 --> 00:20:07.080
Jesus would be sitting with the Pharisees one day

576
00:20:07.080 --> 00:20:09.040
and with the prostitutes and ex.

577
00:20:09.040 --> 00:20:11.120
Like he can be omnipresent.

578
00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:13.320
It doesn't mean that you have to come perfect

579
00:20:13.320 --> 00:20:15.400
towards God and that's what I always thought.

580
00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:18.560
But I had to be perfect and then I'll go to church

581
00:20:18.560 --> 00:20:20.200
or then I'll become a Christian.

582
00:20:20.200 --> 00:20:23.160
And when you learn about Jesus, that's not how it works.

583
00:20:23.160 --> 00:20:27.080
And that's not how I think it works.

584
00:20:27.080 --> 00:20:28.840
It's to do with your faith.

585
00:20:28.840 --> 00:20:32.680
And again, being in a nightclub,

586
00:20:32.680 --> 00:20:35.040
you're supposed to be the light in these dark places.

587
00:20:35.040 --> 00:20:37.600
So you shouldn't shy away from the darkness.

588
00:20:37.600 --> 00:20:38.600
Darkness is all around us.

589
00:20:38.600 --> 00:20:41.080
As soon as I step out that door or leave my house,

590
00:20:41.080 --> 00:20:42.840
there's going to be dark moments.

591
00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:45.640
But if you let that scare you off that,

592
00:20:45.640 --> 00:20:47.840
I can't go there because it's dark.

593
00:20:47.840 --> 00:20:50.720
That's in my eyes everything against what he was saying.

594
00:20:50.720 --> 00:20:52.200
You have to go and meet them where they're at,

595
00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:53.400
whether that's young people or old people,

596
00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:56.160
people in the clubs or the churches.

597
00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:59.960
And yeah, the more and more I learn about Jesus,

598
00:20:59.960 --> 00:21:04.760
the more I actually realized I can connect to this person

599
00:21:04.760 --> 00:21:07.880
because it isn't about you having to be perfect.

600
00:21:07.880 --> 00:21:09.480
That's what I always thought.

601
00:21:09.480 --> 00:21:12.480
And like I said before, like I think Jesus was gangster.

602
00:21:12.480 --> 00:21:16.280
Straight, like he would flip tables in the synagogues.

603
00:21:16.280 --> 00:21:17.920
He would tell people about himself.

604
00:21:17.920 --> 00:21:19.160
He would call people hypocrites

605
00:21:19.160 --> 00:21:23.480
and like everything which I thought Christianity was about.

606
00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:26.120
I was so wrong when I really start to understand

607
00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:27.640
what Jesus was about.

608
00:21:27.640 --> 00:21:30.120
And he's technically against all of that thing.

609
00:21:30.120 --> 00:21:33.720
He's against, you know, wearing certain things

610
00:21:33.720 --> 00:21:37.320
or trying to look perfect or be the loudest in prayer

611
00:21:37.320 --> 00:21:39.720
or praise, it's not about that.

612
00:21:39.720 --> 00:21:42.720
And as soon as I learned about Jesus,

613
00:21:42.720 --> 00:21:45.080
I'm like this, this makes sense.

614
00:21:45.080 --> 00:21:47.560
He's my God because I relate to that.

615
00:21:47.560 --> 00:21:48.760
I could never relate to anyone else

616
00:21:48.760 --> 00:21:50.280
because I wasn't perfect.

617
00:21:50.280 --> 00:21:52.960
Whereas he saved the sinners.

618
00:21:53.920 --> 00:21:55.800
You know, I think is really interesting.

619
00:21:55.800 --> 00:21:59.880
Before you were talking about how like when you were working

620
00:21:59.880 --> 00:22:02.040
in the music industry, it was like, oh, we did this.

621
00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:03.280
We did that, like we taught here.

622
00:22:03.280 --> 00:22:04.960
We did that, like I ticked all the things,

623
00:22:04.960 --> 00:22:06.160
but it just wasn't enough.

624
00:22:06.160 --> 00:22:11.080
Like I did, I did, but like I still felt empty afterwards.

625
00:22:11.080 --> 00:22:12.880
And even with the go into church at first,

626
00:22:12.880 --> 00:22:14.400
it's like, oh, I'm going to church

627
00:22:14.400 --> 00:22:16.160
because that's what good Christians do.

628
00:22:16.160 --> 00:22:18.520
Like I'm doing the thing, but there's like a little bit

629
00:22:18.520 --> 00:22:19.400
of a disconnect here.

630
00:22:19.400 --> 00:22:21.880
And I think it speaks to like a bigger human issue

631
00:22:21.880 --> 00:22:23.680
of how we think we have to do.

632
00:22:23.680 --> 00:22:27.560
Like so much of our fulfillment is based on what I can do.

633
00:22:27.560 --> 00:22:29.640
Like if I can just make enough songs

634
00:22:29.640 --> 00:22:31.440
or if I can just make enough money

635
00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.320
or if I can just go to church enough times

636
00:22:33.320 --> 00:22:34.760
or if I can do, do, do.

637
00:22:34.760 --> 00:22:39.480
And I think like in all the doing, it doesn't solve anything.

638
00:22:39.480 --> 00:22:42.000
And we forget that like God doesn't want us to do.

639
00:22:42.000 --> 00:22:43.400
He just wants us to be.

640
00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:45.080
He wants us to be with him.

641
00:22:45.080 --> 00:22:47.840
And I think even you having that encounter

642
00:22:47.840 --> 00:22:49.960
in the room that you were at, like,

643
00:22:49.960 --> 00:22:53.280
and you're expressing like the darkness and how,

644
00:22:53.280 --> 00:22:54.560
like you're just walking towards it.

645
00:22:54.560 --> 00:22:55.840
Like it wasn't like it was coming to you.

646
00:22:55.840 --> 00:22:57.320
It was like I was walking towards it.

647
00:22:57.320 --> 00:23:00.280
Like sometimes we have to just walk towards God.

648
00:23:00.280 --> 00:23:01.360
Like just walk towards it.

649
00:23:01.360 --> 00:23:03.160
Like it's not about doing the things.

650
00:23:03.160 --> 00:23:05.840
Like how many Bible passages can I memorize?

651
00:23:05.840 --> 00:23:10.240
Like God doesn't care as much about your retention

652
00:23:10.240 --> 00:23:13.160
of scripture or how many times you gave or how many,

653
00:23:13.160 --> 00:23:14.520
he cares about you.

654
00:23:14.520 --> 00:23:15.520
Do you know him?

655
00:23:15.520 --> 00:23:17.640
Like are you in relationship with him?

656
00:23:17.640 --> 00:23:18.960
Are you with him every day?

657
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:20.840
Like just the being.

658
00:23:20.840 --> 00:23:24.920
And I think that just takes such a pressure and a way off

659
00:23:24.920 --> 00:23:27.720
to know like, okay, cool, I don't need to do.

660
00:23:27.720 --> 00:23:31.160
Like my identity isn't in what I'm doing for God

661
00:23:31.160 --> 00:23:34.200
or what I'm doing in my work or what I'm doing at school.

662
00:23:34.200 --> 00:23:37.200
My identity is in being a son, being a daughter,

663
00:23:37.200 --> 00:23:38.880
like being a child of God.

664
00:23:38.880 --> 00:23:40.320
And it's just that simple.

665
00:23:40.320 --> 00:23:44.080
So like you saying that like I can feel like the weight lifting.

666
00:23:44.080 --> 00:23:46.760
Like I've definitely felt that like when I found God,

667
00:23:46.760 --> 00:23:50.600
I felt like wow, like it's never been more simple like he like,

668
00:23:50.600 --> 00:23:51.920
it's actually never been more simple.

669
00:23:51.920 --> 00:23:54.920
So all I've got to do is just be in relationship with him

670
00:23:54.920 --> 00:23:57.040
and then he'll take care of the rest.

671
00:23:57.040 --> 00:23:58.040
Like he literally does.

672
00:23:58.040 --> 00:24:01.120
That's it, taking care of it like as an overthinker

673
00:24:01.120 --> 00:24:04.520
and like a perfectionist, you end up,

674
00:24:04.520 --> 00:24:06.240
you're like your own demise.

675
00:24:06.240 --> 00:24:08.920
You end up overthinking a situation

676
00:24:08.920 --> 00:24:11.240
and having every scenario planned out.

677
00:24:11.240 --> 00:24:13.360
And if I do this, then this will happen and I'll be happy.

678
00:24:13.360 --> 00:24:15.400
Then that will mean I'm happy and do this.

679
00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:19.840
And you realize that that's not the point of why we're all here.

680
00:24:19.840 --> 00:24:23.160
Like if you think that he put us here just to basically stress

681
00:24:23.160 --> 00:24:25.360
about every single next move we have,

682
00:24:25.360 --> 00:24:28.120
then what is like sad life that will be right?

683
00:24:28.120 --> 00:24:31.760
And it's finding beauty in there every day.

684
00:24:31.760 --> 00:24:34.760
Like being here is a gift enough.

685
00:24:34.760 --> 00:24:38.080
Like fast to be able to even speak and talk and walk around.

686
00:24:38.080 --> 00:24:40.440
Like there's so many things we can be thankful for.

687
00:24:40.440 --> 00:24:43.640
I think he made me realize that I was always like,

688
00:24:44.600 --> 00:24:46.120
okay, when I go gold, I'll be happy.

689
00:24:46.120 --> 00:24:47.320
Okay, when I go platinum, I'll be happy.

690
00:24:47.320 --> 00:24:50.320
Okay, when I buy this new car, I'll be happy.

691
00:24:50.320 --> 00:24:53.120
And it was always when I do this, when I get that

692
00:24:53.120 --> 00:24:55.760
and you can never, there's never enough.

693
00:24:55.760 --> 00:24:58.000
And it's when you take it back and like,

694
00:24:58.000 --> 00:24:59.960
in essence, like lose everything,

695
00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:04.960
you really have to come to him like completely like humble and bare.

696
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:08.360
I felt like you can't, you can't approach it.

697
00:25:08.360 --> 00:25:10.560
In my eyes is like, I already know what's going on.

698
00:25:10.560 --> 00:25:11.560
I know best.

699
00:25:11.560 --> 00:25:14.920
And I think that's for me and I say a lot of people

700
00:25:14.920 --> 00:25:17.920
in my situation that we always think we know best

701
00:25:17.920 --> 00:25:19.280
because of what we've done.

702
00:25:19.280 --> 00:25:21.000
But we've really done nothing.

703
00:25:21.000 --> 00:25:23.680
It can be taken away as easy it was given.

704
00:25:23.680 --> 00:25:26.800
And yeah, having that relationship,

705
00:25:26.800 --> 00:25:28.280
you know, I'll be just walking by the street

706
00:25:28.280 --> 00:25:30.640
and sometimes I'm still human.

707
00:25:30.640 --> 00:25:34.600
I'll be like, man, I'll just see like a leaf fall from a tree.

708
00:25:34.600 --> 00:25:36.800
You know, I'll just see like, now I have like a niece

709
00:25:36.800 --> 00:25:38.200
and I've got a really good relationship with her.

710
00:25:38.200 --> 00:25:40.920
And I think that's also helped me like have that sense of

711
00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:42.680
like love for just like he says,

712
00:25:42.680 --> 00:25:44.200
you have to come to him like a child.

713
00:25:44.200 --> 00:25:46.560
And just like the inquisitive nature of children

714
00:25:46.560 --> 00:25:48.400
and how like pure they are.

715
00:25:48.400 --> 00:25:50.720
I'm like, that's how we need to be.

716
00:25:50.720 --> 00:25:52.960
Like you're just such a better person in general

717
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:57.880
if you drop the ego, drop everything which you think makes you,

718
00:25:57.880 --> 00:26:00.400
you and just be like, I'm a child of good life.

719
00:26:00.400 --> 00:26:02.240
Someone asked me what I'd be before.

720
00:26:02.240 --> 00:26:03.480
You know, okay, I'll do this.

721
00:26:03.480 --> 00:26:05.560
I'd always probably approach it with my occupation.

722
00:26:05.560 --> 00:26:06.480
Yeah.

723
00:26:06.480 --> 00:26:07.680
And I think most people do that.

724
00:26:07.680 --> 00:26:09.000
I've been in so many ruins where it's like,

725
00:26:09.000 --> 00:26:09.840
oh, hi.

726
00:26:09.840 --> 00:26:11.280
And it's like, yeah, dah, dah, dah.

727
00:26:11.280 --> 00:26:12.760
Before they even tell me their name.

728
00:26:12.760 --> 00:26:14.000
I'm like, who are you?

729
00:26:14.000 --> 00:26:15.480
Like, that's just your job.

730
00:26:15.480 --> 00:26:17.960
And I've definitely been a victim to it.

731
00:26:17.960 --> 00:26:20.440
And like, like you said, we can define ourselves

732
00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:22.320
with like such worldly things.

733
00:26:22.320 --> 00:26:25.560
But the simple answer is just like following Jesus

734
00:26:25.560 --> 00:26:28.720
has all the answers, all the self-help books I've read,

735
00:26:28.720 --> 00:26:30.640
everything I've realized is in the Bible.

736
00:26:30.640 --> 00:26:31.880
Yeah.

737
00:26:31.880 --> 00:26:32.720
It's all there.

738
00:26:32.720 --> 00:26:35.000
So yeah, my life is the weight.

739
00:26:35.000 --> 00:26:37.360
Like, who knows, you're always, what is it?

740
00:26:37.360 --> 00:26:38.920
You're going into a storm, you're in a storm,

741
00:26:38.920 --> 00:26:39.840
when you're coming out of one.

742
00:26:39.840 --> 00:26:41.480
So whatever stage you're in, like,

743
00:26:41.480 --> 00:26:43.200
it's guaranteed it's going to happen.

744
00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:45.880
But like knowing that regardless, like you're good.

745
00:26:45.880 --> 00:26:46.880
And it's just the pressure.

746
00:26:46.880 --> 00:26:49.640
I know tomorrow might have a bad day,

747
00:26:49.640 --> 00:26:51.200
but it's still a good day because like,

748
00:26:51.200 --> 00:26:52.040
the next day will be good.

749
00:26:52.040 --> 00:26:54.520
Like, I don't worry too much about, you know,

750
00:26:54.520 --> 00:26:55.920
what's going to happen too much.

751
00:26:55.920 --> 00:26:58.560
And that, yeah, I feel so much stress freeing.

752
00:26:58.560 --> 00:26:59.400
Right?

753
00:26:59.400 --> 00:27:00.400
So good.

754
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:04.840
How else is it like affected your life now?

755
00:27:04.840 --> 00:27:08.360
Like, you, you know, November 13th, 2024,

756
00:27:08.360 --> 00:27:11.680
wasn't that long ago, and you're already like,

757
00:27:11.680 --> 00:27:14.800
ah, yeah, it's changed my perspective entirely.

758
00:27:14.800 --> 00:27:17.760
You know, I no longer feel like it's a bad day

759
00:27:17.760 --> 00:27:19.200
because tomorrow is going to be a good day.

760
00:27:19.200 --> 00:27:23.560
And like, there's lots of different attitude shifts

761
00:27:23.560 --> 00:27:24.720
that is awesome.

762
00:27:24.720 --> 00:27:28.200
But I just like, how is living with Jesus,

763
00:27:28.200 --> 00:27:29.960
like changed your life as of recently?

764
00:27:29.960 --> 00:27:33.800
What's something that you've noticed in yourself?

765
00:27:33.800 --> 00:27:36.920
I think like conversations I have with myself,

766
00:27:38.320 --> 00:27:41.280
and it feels like someone's also there now.

767
00:27:41.280 --> 00:27:44.880
Like, I'm not just speaking to my ego constantly.

768
00:27:44.880 --> 00:27:47.920
Not all decisions aren't fuel to like make me look better.

769
00:27:47.920 --> 00:27:50.640
It's having like a, like that word,

770
00:27:50.640 --> 00:27:53.000
the sermon sitting there and speaking to him is like,

771
00:27:53.000 --> 00:27:54.080
should I do this?

772
00:27:54.080 --> 00:27:55.600
I'm not just if it's meant for me,

773
00:27:55.600 --> 00:27:56.640
you'll bring it into my life,

774
00:27:56.640 --> 00:28:00.720
but really like trying to get into like a sense of wisdom,

775
00:28:00.720 --> 00:28:03.120
like the wisdom Jesus shows when he speaks

776
00:28:03.120 --> 00:28:06.320
to people and the Pharisees and how they try to trip him up

777
00:28:06.320 --> 00:28:07.800
and he could never get caught

778
00:28:07.800 --> 00:28:10.640
and having that in like my thought process every day.

779
00:28:10.640 --> 00:28:12.560
Can I look at a different perspective?

780
00:28:12.560 --> 00:28:15.720
You know, am I as much as, you know,

781
00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:18.000
I might be angry about a certain thing

782
00:28:18.000 --> 00:28:20.600
or happy about a certain thing like very cliche,

783
00:28:20.600 --> 00:28:22.960
but what would Jesus try and do in this situation?

784
00:28:22.960 --> 00:28:23.800
Yeah.

785
00:28:23.800 --> 00:28:27.120
And I think from that my, I would say,

786
00:28:27.120 --> 00:28:28.760
I know everyone says like they feel lighter

787
00:28:28.760 --> 00:28:31.400
and they feel happier, but I feel like when I'm alone,

788
00:28:31.400 --> 00:28:34.040
I don't feel alone like completely.

789
00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:36.120
I live by myself and I spent a lot of time

790
00:28:36.120 --> 00:28:37.760
buying myself from my life,

791
00:28:37.760 --> 00:28:40.800
but I felt by myself in those moments,

792
00:28:40.800 --> 00:28:43.280
whereas now I don't feel by myself.

793
00:28:43.280 --> 00:28:45.840
I feel like there's always like a North Star

794
00:28:45.840 --> 00:28:48.000
where if I want to speak to someone,

795
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:51.040
I want to turn to open my Bible, whatever I read

796
00:28:51.040 --> 00:28:53.360
or whatever I say or whatever I hear,

797
00:28:53.360 --> 00:28:55.440
it's just perfect for what I need in that moment.

798
00:28:55.440 --> 00:28:59.840
And yes, it feels like you got a superpower.

799
00:28:59.840 --> 00:29:03.640
Like without being too, it does feel like you've tapped

800
00:29:03.640 --> 00:29:08.320
into a different, different state where again,

801
00:29:08.320 --> 00:29:10.240
instead of just being in this like human form,

802
00:29:10.240 --> 00:29:12.520
you can really feel like you're not alone in a room

803
00:29:12.520 --> 00:29:14.280
which is completely empty.

804
00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:17.760
And yeah, it's an experience until it's like,

805
00:29:17.760 --> 00:29:20.080
until you felt it's really hard to describe,

806
00:29:20.080 --> 00:29:21.760
I felt like, especially to like my friends

807
00:29:21.760 --> 00:29:23.840
or my family who are like looking at faith.

808
00:29:23.840 --> 00:29:27.040
So once you get it, you'll just, you'll understand that,

809
00:29:27.040 --> 00:29:29.240
yeah, you might be happier, you might feel lighter,

810
00:29:29.240 --> 00:29:31.280
but that like sense of loneliness,

811
00:29:31.280 --> 00:29:34.240
which is prevalent amongst young people now,

812
00:29:34.240 --> 00:29:39.040
one of all people, so everyone, it feels that void,

813
00:29:39.040 --> 00:29:41.560
it feels that void for me for sure.

814
00:29:41.560 --> 00:29:42.400
Wow.

815
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:44.920
And so it talks to me now about like the stuff

816
00:29:44.920 --> 00:29:47.120
that you're doing on social media,

817
00:29:47.120 --> 00:29:49.920
on tip-talking stuff, like the, like, okay, cool,

818
00:29:49.920 --> 00:29:51.960
you came back to the UK or like guys,

819
00:29:51.960 --> 00:29:54.520
help me find a church, the people responded,

820
00:29:54.520 --> 00:29:55.920
the people like you should come to this church,

821
00:29:55.920 --> 00:29:57.240
you should come to that church, like,

822
00:29:57.240 --> 00:29:59.440
talk us through your whole journey online

823
00:29:59.440 --> 00:30:01.760
and how like God's been using you in that space.

824
00:30:01.760 --> 00:30:05.080
So, yeah, posted like it was a little snippet

825
00:30:05.080 --> 00:30:06.320
where should I go?

826
00:30:06.320 --> 00:30:10.040
And yeah, it had loads of people mention their churches,

827
00:30:10.040 --> 00:30:11.520
repinach, and I was like, cool,

828
00:30:11.520 --> 00:30:12.920
let me just go and see what it's like.

829
00:30:12.920 --> 00:30:16.320
So the first one I went to was Hillsong,

830
00:30:16.320 --> 00:30:17.960
just because that was the first one I saw,

831
00:30:17.960 --> 00:30:18.960
I was like, it's convenient,

832
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:20.440
ton of court roadies to get to.

833
00:30:20.440 --> 00:30:21.880
And I'm really enjoyed it.

834
00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:24.280
And I was like, again, with my content,

835
00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:26.400
it's very just how I, it's just honest,

836
00:30:26.440 --> 00:30:27.880
I'm not trying to review anything.

837
00:30:27.880 --> 00:30:31.200
Same way I'd, you know, if I was going to try a new restaurant,

838
00:30:31.200 --> 00:30:32.240
I was just like, guys, come with me.

839
00:30:32.240 --> 00:30:33.840
It was kind of that vibe of just,

840
00:30:33.840 --> 00:30:36.480
this is what I'm doing with my day, like, join me on it.

841
00:30:36.480 --> 00:30:39.920
And I didn't expect it to even,

842
00:30:39.920 --> 00:30:41.680
again, I was doing it when I was in Bali,

843
00:30:41.680 --> 00:30:43.000
even when it's Thailand, like,

844
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:44.320
I was like, come with me to this church

845
00:30:44.320 --> 00:30:47.120
and they got like people would like comment and reply,

846
00:30:47.120 --> 00:30:49.320
but it was never like, this is what

847
00:30:49.320 --> 00:30:52.240
is gonna connect with people, visiting churches.

848
00:30:52.240 --> 00:30:54.320
So I was just like, cool, I'll go to church,

849
00:30:54.320 --> 00:30:56.640
I called it and then just the impact of how many people,

850
00:30:56.640 --> 00:30:57.640
like, oh my god, I'm gonna try it out.

851
00:30:57.640 --> 00:30:58.640
Well, I've always wanted to go,

852
00:30:58.640 --> 00:31:01.040
but I thought it was, you know, candles and white robes

853
00:31:01.040 --> 00:31:03.520
and, you know, praying 20 times.

854
00:31:03.520 --> 00:31:05.360
Like, no, it was very chill.

855
00:31:05.360 --> 00:31:06.200
Yeah.

856
00:31:06.200 --> 00:31:09.320
And I'm, it was like, I open it, not just for me,

857
00:31:09.320 --> 00:31:10.680
but for obviously other people.

858
00:31:10.680 --> 00:31:14.800
So then I was like, cool, like, my goal was to find a place

859
00:31:14.800 --> 00:31:17.120
where I actually like felt like at home.

860
00:31:17.120 --> 00:31:18.720
But then during that time,

861
00:31:18.720 --> 00:31:20.480
the amount of messages, comments where people like,

862
00:31:20.480 --> 00:31:23.320
you've given me like confidence to try a church.

863
00:31:23.320 --> 00:31:26.240
Now, what I wanted to go there and people,

864
00:31:26.240 --> 00:31:28.520
I saw your video, like, I'm gonna try it out.

865
00:31:28.520 --> 00:31:30.720
I was like, what a weird way for like,

866
00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:33.400
God to, like, introduce people to churches

867
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:34.560
for a TikTok video.

868
00:31:34.560 --> 00:31:35.880
Wow.

869
00:31:35.880 --> 00:31:38.160
So then I was like, if it can help other people out,

870
00:31:38.160 --> 00:31:40.400
because I don't have a problem walking into a church

871
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:43.520
by myself and, you know, doing a voice over after

872
00:31:43.520 --> 00:31:44.360
and posting on a TikTok,

873
00:31:44.360 --> 00:31:45.960
but some people find that really intimidating

874
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:48.400
to even walk into a church by themselves or even with friends.

875
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:51.440
Like, it can feel like you have to be perfect.

876
00:31:51.480 --> 00:31:53.680
Like, you have to know everyone knows your new.

877
00:31:53.680 --> 00:31:54.960
It's like, who's a new person?

878
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:56.240
Everyone's like, yeah, this person's new

879
00:31:56.240 --> 00:31:57.520
and it's like, oh my God, like,

880
00:31:57.520 --> 00:31:59.160
I can imagine that could feel intimidating.

881
00:31:59.160 --> 00:32:00.440
So the fact is like,

882
00:32:00.440 --> 00:32:02.880
well, I don't really have that feeling in me.

883
00:32:02.880 --> 00:32:05.400
Maybe I can help others by just going in there

884
00:32:05.400 --> 00:32:07.640
and saying how I feel.

885
00:32:07.640 --> 00:32:11.080
And yeah, just inadvertently it ended up being

886
00:32:11.080 --> 00:32:14.680
like a little series where part of my day

887
00:32:14.680 --> 00:32:16.800
would be just trying out a church.

888
00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:19.960
And from that, I met so many amazing people, pastors

889
00:32:20.800 --> 00:32:22.720
and also I think it's super important

890
00:32:22.720 --> 00:32:25.920
that we are transparent.

891
00:32:25.920 --> 00:32:28.040
It's like, Christianity, when I first,

892
00:32:28.040 --> 00:32:30.400
when I first was introduced to it,

893
00:32:30.400 --> 00:32:32.120
I thought it was very intense.

894
00:32:32.120 --> 00:32:32.960
Right.

895
00:32:32.960 --> 00:32:34.280
You know, I'll go, the Christians are about,

896
00:32:34.280 --> 00:32:35.960
it was like, their Christian is like,

897
00:32:35.960 --> 00:32:37.080
go the other way kind of thing.

898
00:32:37.080 --> 00:32:38.880
Like, I got chased home before telling me

899
00:32:38.880 --> 00:32:40.600
I was gonna go to hell if I don't go to church.

900
00:32:40.600 --> 00:32:42.480
And I was like, maybe chill out, right?

901
00:32:42.480 --> 00:32:44.800
It was very like, and that was obviously the extreme,

902
00:32:44.800 --> 00:32:47.080
but in general, most people are like,

903
00:32:47.080 --> 00:32:49.160
your Christian, like, it must be quite tough for it.

904
00:32:50.000 --> 00:32:52.280
So I also had the same point of view.

905
00:32:52.280 --> 00:32:55.640
So then now kind of the smoke and mirrors

906
00:32:55.640 --> 00:32:58.600
of what really goes on is like being unveiled in my eyes

907
00:32:58.600 --> 00:33:01.960
and obviously on my TikTok, people were like,

908
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:04.920
oh, this is actually just saying as bad as I thought it would be.

909
00:33:04.920 --> 00:33:07.440
And like I said, I think we need to meet

910
00:33:07.440 --> 00:33:09.040
the young people where they're at.

911
00:33:09.040 --> 00:33:12.520
And that's, it's not about like expecting them to conform

912
00:33:12.520 --> 00:33:15.080
to what we think is right or not we,

913
00:33:15.080 --> 00:33:17.000
but say churches of old.

914
00:33:17.000 --> 00:33:20.320
You have to meet them where they're at and connect with them,

915
00:33:20.320 --> 00:33:23.160
not expecting them to change their whole lifestyle

916
00:33:23.160 --> 00:33:27.480
and how they think to follow a traditional path

917
00:33:27.480 --> 00:33:28.320
of what it's been like.

918
00:33:28.320 --> 00:33:30.400
As long as we're sticking to the word,

919
00:33:30.400 --> 00:33:33.600
then if churches are having bands come in

920
00:33:33.600 --> 00:33:36.600
and play worship music, what's the problem?

921
00:33:36.600 --> 00:33:39.000
Like my favorite, I don't know which verse in Matthew

922
00:33:39.000 --> 00:33:40.840
where it's like, why worry about the speck in mind

923
00:33:40.840 --> 00:33:42.240
when you have a log in yours?

924
00:33:42.240 --> 00:33:44.160
And I think that's a perfect analogy.

925
00:33:44.160 --> 00:33:46.000
Anytime anyone has something to say,

926
00:33:46.280 --> 00:33:48.640
if you're Christian, why worry about what I'm doing?

927
00:33:48.640 --> 00:33:49.560
Worry about yourself,

928
00:33:49.560 --> 00:33:51.960
because unless you're perfect, which none of us are,

929
00:33:51.960 --> 00:33:54.520
like then, you know, let's proceed, right?

930
00:33:54.520 --> 00:33:57.760
And I think with the younger people,

931
00:33:57.760 --> 00:33:59.520
I can't take credit for this.

932
00:33:59.520 --> 00:34:01.960
They're not anti-faith, they're anti-fake.

933
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.320
I mean, when I heard that, I was like, that's so true.

934
00:34:04.320 --> 00:34:06.640
They're not against faith.

935
00:34:06.640 --> 00:34:09.360
They just don't want fakeness.

936
00:34:09.360 --> 00:34:11.480
They want to roar and root like,

937
00:34:11.480 --> 00:34:13.360
what's really going on?

938
00:34:13.360 --> 00:34:15.080
Like, what is this all about?

939
00:34:15.080 --> 00:34:16.880
Not co-hurst.

940
00:34:16.880 --> 00:34:19.200
And that's how I felt when I first went to church years ago,

941
00:34:19.200 --> 00:34:21.640
it felt like I was being co-hurst into something

942
00:34:21.640 --> 00:34:24.720
rather than just being like being inquisitive.

943
00:34:24.720 --> 00:34:25.560
What's this about?

944
00:34:25.560 --> 00:34:27.520
Asking questions, it felt like you couldn't ask any questions.

945
00:34:27.520 --> 00:34:30.040
You do this and you're going to enjoy it.

946
00:34:30.040 --> 00:34:31.200
If you don't enjoy it tough,

947
00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:32.840
and I was like, that's not what it's about.

948
00:34:32.840 --> 00:34:36.360
So I think it could scare some people

949
00:34:36.360 --> 00:34:38.920
only if you're on that kind of vibe.

950
00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:41.560
If you are just, as Jesus taught us to be,

951
00:34:41.560 --> 00:34:46.560
just very like, again, loving and all the great parts

952
00:34:47.320 --> 00:34:50.920
and I say transparent with what really is going on,

953
00:34:50.920 --> 00:34:52.840
there's no, I couldn't see a problem with it.

954
00:34:52.840 --> 00:34:56.440
So yeah, if I could save a cap from a tree,

955
00:34:56.440 --> 00:34:58.040
people might say something like,

956
00:34:58.040 --> 00:34:59.920
if I record in a church, people might not like it,

957
00:34:59.920 --> 00:35:03.480
but I think, yes, the ones who may not like it,

958
00:35:03.480 --> 00:35:06.080
there's 20, 30, 40 times more people

959
00:35:06.080 --> 00:35:07.000
who are being helped by it.

960
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:10.720
So yeah, it's mad how God can call you to do things

961
00:35:10.720 --> 00:35:12.000
which you know, if you ask me,

962
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.360
I was doing that a couple of weeks ago,

963
00:35:13.360 --> 00:35:14.720
like what?

964
00:35:14.720 --> 00:35:17.320
Like, yeah, it's crazy.

965
00:35:17.320 --> 00:35:21.000
And I also think like what you said about the anti-fake

966
00:35:21.000 --> 00:35:24.360
is really sick because I feel like with TikTok as well,

967
00:35:24.360 --> 00:35:26.640
like it's less like filtering,

968
00:35:26.640 --> 00:35:28.440
like people do lots of vlogging

969
00:35:28.440 --> 00:35:30.600
and it feels like very personable.

970
00:35:30.600 --> 00:35:33.120
Like people showing like the real parts of their life,

971
00:35:33.120 --> 00:35:35.840
like it feels less filtered, like on that space

972
00:35:35.840 --> 00:35:36.920
for like my experience.

973
00:35:36.920 --> 00:35:39.040
I feel like we're in like an unfiltered,

974
00:35:39.120 --> 00:35:42.800
like era, which I think like it makes sense

975
00:35:42.800 --> 00:35:45.640
for God to use this, like it makes sense for him

976
00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:47.800
because you can already tell people

977
00:35:47.800 --> 00:35:50.640
not doing pretenses on this space.

978
00:35:50.640 --> 00:35:51.960
So if I'm sharing something,

979
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:54.480
it's probably because like, I just want to share this,

980
00:35:54.480 --> 00:35:56.400
like I have no agenda behind this.

981
00:35:56.400 --> 00:35:58.920
It's not because I need you to follow me or whatever.

982
00:35:58.920 --> 00:36:00.520
I just want to share my experience

983
00:36:00.520 --> 00:36:01.800
and just share my life.

984
00:36:01.800 --> 00:36:03.240
And if it helps somebody, then great.

985
00:36:03.240 --> 00:36:04.520
If it doesn't, then also great.

986
00:36:04.520 --> 00:36:06.440
Like, at least I've been obedient to God.

987
00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:08.240
I'll just follow in what He told me to do.

988
00:36:08.760 --> 00:36:10.600
I'll off the back of that obedience

989
00:36:10.600 --> 00:36:12.920
and just trying to be authentic,

990
00:36:12.920 --> 00:36:15.680
like how many people have been impacted by that.

991
00:36:15.680 --> 00:36:18.480
And like I'm just very, very encouraged to know that,

992
00:36:18.480 --> 00:36:20.840
like if I'm just obedient in the small things

993
00:36:20.840 --> 00:36:24.160
and like what God's asking me to do, then He'll use it.

994
00:36:24.160 --> 00:36:26.560
Like He'll use that to help people.

995
00:36:26.560 --> 00:36:28.680
And if that's on social media, then yes,

996
00:36:28.680 --> 00:36:30.880
like share your faith or share your experiences

997
00:36:30.880 --> 00:36:32.960
if it's off social media, then also do the same thing.

998
00:36:32.960 --> 00:36:36.080
Like I'm just really, really encouraged by the fact

999
00:36:36.120 --> 00:36:39.120
that God cares about the little details.

1000
00:36:39.120 --> 00:36:41.240
And like He cares about our experiences

1001
00:36:41.240 --> 00:36:44.200
and He'll shine a light on that to help other people.

1002
00:36:44.200 --> 00:36:45.880
So I think that's really, really cool.

1003
00:36:45.880 --> 00:36:46.800
Totally agree.

1004
00:36:46.800 --> 00:36:48.400
I feel like you can go in the street

1005
00:36:48.400 --> 00:36:50.640
and evangelize that way.

1006
00:36:50.640 --> 00:36:52.320
Or you can do it by posting TikTok.

1007
00:36:52.320 --> 00:36:54.320
There's so many ways you can reach people.

1008
00:36:54.320 --> 00:36:55.480
It's just about what really connects.

1009
00:36:55.480 --> 00:36:57.880
And I think, again, meeting them where they're out,

1010
00:36:57.880 --> 00:36:59.320
where they're used to just scrolling

1011
00:36:59.320 --> 00:37:01.200
and seeing and entertaining content.

1012
00:37:01.200 --> 00:37:02.680
If that now is entertaining,

1013
00:37:02.680 --> 00:37:03.800
that someone's going to a church

1014
00:37:03.800 --> 00:37:05.560
and it's inspired them to go to a church

1015
00:37:05.560 --> 00:37:09.160
or they've seen like a Bible verse

1016
00:37:09.160 --> 00:37:10.560
that really resonated with them

1017
00:37:10.560 --> 00:37:13.440
whilst going through TikTok, then happy days.

1018
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:15.600
Like it doesn't have to be the days of old.

1019
00:37:15.600 --> 00:37:17.000
It's like being through adapt.

1020
00:37:17.000 --> 00:37:19.120
And I guess now we're seeing that.

1021
00:37:19.120 --> 00:37:20.760
We've just the amount of young people

1022
00:37:20.760 --> 00:37:23.440
now going to church is like,

1023
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:25.480
I think it's like four times in the last couple years,

1024
00:37:25.480 --> 00:37:26.320
which is crazy.

1025
00:37:26.320 --> 00:37:28.960
Yeah, it's so cool.

1026
00:37:28.960 --> 00:37:32.280
I mean, there's so much nugget to wisdom

1027
00:37:32.280 --> 00:37:36.200
and so much to unpack, even as I'm leaving, I'm like,

1028
00:37:36.200 --> 00:37:41.880
wow, gosh, how can I go to rather than just

1029
00:37:41.880 --> 00:37:43.960
expect people to come?

1030
00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:46.960
Feel like that's like, how do I draw two people

1031
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:49.160
rather than just waiting for them to come to me?

1032
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How do I be a Christian that isn't afraid

1033
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of stepping into darkness?

1034
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How do I be a Christian who isn't afraid of real things?

1035
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I mean, a little pretty church circle.

1036
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Where do I need to stop and stop doing

1037
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and start just being and remembering that God is there?

1038
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Like, I know we've moved on from that point,

1039
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but that point is just still with me.

1040
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Because when we were talking about doing,

1041
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we were talking a little bit about like a standard, right?

1042
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Like, ah, I thought I couldn't come to church

1043
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because there was a standard.

1044
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I had to do this.

1045
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The world's just about doing

1046
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because then you can reach the status or standard.

1047
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But also, it's crazy to me,

1048
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I was just thinking about how distracting that is.

1049
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It's like, it's not just a standard,

1050
00:38:34.800 --> 00:38:38.960
but it's like, it had to distract you from pausing

1051
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:42.600
and thinking about those moments where you sent up a prayer

1052
00:38:42.600 --> 00:38:44.880
and you were like, Lord, will you get me out of it?

1053
00:38:44.880 --> 00:38:46.920
You got out of it, you moved on to the next,

1054
00:38:46.920 --> 00:38:49.320
but if you stopped and you took a breath

1055
00:38:49.320 --> 00:38:52.560
and you rested, how important that is.

1056
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And I think even as Christians,

1057
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this is a call, hearing your story,

1058
00:38:56.680 --> 00:39:01.120
a call to get out of the doing and distractions

1059
00:39:01.120 --> 00:39:03.800
so that we can start being and actually hear God

1060
00:39:03.800 --> 00:39:05.360
and meet with God.

1061
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And it's a call to step out of our own little circles

1062
00:39:08.280 --> 00:39:11.400
and find ways in which we can go to people.

1063
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I love that you said if there was a few,

1064
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like you can get ticked off, you can do,

1065
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like going out onto the streets maybe,

1066
00:39:18.600 --> 00:39:21.640
but what another way in which you think the church

1067
00:39:21.640 --> 00:39:24.240
can step up a little bit with that.

1068
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Like how can we do better?

1069
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:28.640
You know, I've, I think my favorite, quite hard reason

1070
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is like you may be the only Bible people get to read.

1071
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So I guess it's just living with integrity

1072
00:39:35.920 --> 00:39:39.160
as much as, you know, we have so many things

1073
00:39:39.160 --> 00:39:41.840
which can affect us, like going through life,

1074
00:39:41.840 --> 00:39:44.680
still having like your own dignity and integrity

1075
00:39:44.680 --> 00:39:46.960
and following the word as close as we can,

1076
00:39:46.960 --> 00:39:50.400
like as much as we can, again, we're still human,

1077
00:39:50.560 --> 00:39:52.640
like we are flesh, like there is corruption

1078
00:39:52.640 --> 00:39:54.560
within this world we live in unfortunately,

1079
00:39:54.560 --> 00:39:58.080
but people will see you and you'll just be a walking testimony

1080
00:39:58.080 --> 00:39:59.920
on how you treat others and how you act.

1081
00:39:59.920 --> 00:40:02.560
So you don't have to go and make TikToks

1082
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or evangelize on a street or do anything effectively.

1083
00:40:06.080 --> 00:40:08.440
You could just be a good person,

1084
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like try and connect with God, connect with Jesus,

1085
00:40:11.760 --> 00:40:13.000
like have faith.

1086
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And I think through that people see it

1087
00:40:15.280 --> 00:40:18.720
and naturally people love to follow someone who's leading,

1088
00:40:18.720 --> 00:40:22.560
like in a good way and like I'm pretty sure

1089
00:40:22.560 --> 00:40:24.600
the more leaders that spring up who are doing that,

1090
00:40:24.600 --> 00:40:26.400
you'll see so many more people falling behind.

1091
00:40:26.400 --> 00:40:28.960
So yeah, it's cool.

1092
00:40:28.960 --> 00:40:31.400
It's like what Paul says, like imitate me

1093
00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.920
as I imitate Christ and I think that's so perfect

1094
00:40:34.920 --> 00:40:37.360
and such a real nugget for us to like,

1095
00:40:37.360 --> 00:40:38.360
I guess kind of take away.

1096
00:40:38.360 --> 00:40:41.560
It's like actually if I just be with God

1097
00:40:41.560 --> 00:40:44.880
and I just live that way, like I don't put the filters on,

1098
00:40:44.880 --> 00:40:46.440
I don't think it till I make it,

1099
00:40:46.440 --> 00:40:48.200
I don't like I've got everything perfect,

1100
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but I just live authentically in my flaws,

1101
00:40:51.200 --> 00:40:53.920
in my mistakes, but just imitating the Lord.

1102
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Like people around me will see that

1103
00:40:55.680 --> 00:40:57.720
and that's the thing that will draw people to God.

1104
00:40:57.720 --> 00:41:00.240
Like people are not looking for perfection,

1105
00:41:00.240 --> 00:41:03.200
but they're looking to see like, okay, just just the day by day.

1106
00:41:03.200 --> 00:41:04.520
It's the day by day faithfulness,

1107
00:41:04.520 --> 00:41:06.960
it's the day by day just walking towards God

1108
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:09.360
and out of that, like that will be a light

1109
00:41:09.360 --> 00:41:10.520
that attracts so many people.

1110
00:41:10.520 --> 00:41:13.320
So I'm just so encouraged and I don't know,

1111
00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:14.120
I don't know, I don't know, speak for you,

1112
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but I'm encouraged, I know you're encouraged

1113
00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:18.600
by everything that you've like shared on the pod.

1114
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So yeah, Wes, thank you for joining us.

1115
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Thank you for having me.

1116
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Thanks for sharing your story,

1117
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the highs are low, the in between.

1118
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It was great, and hopefully you guys also enjoyed it as well.

1119
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Leave us a comment if you're watching on YouTube

1120
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or wherever else we listen to podcasts these days.

1121
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I don't know, there's like a million platforms out here.

1122
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But yeah, leave us a comment, let us know,

1123
00:41:38.160 --> 00:41:41.120
like if anything stirred within you or God was speaking to you,

1124
00:41:41.120 --> 00:41:43.880
we'd love to know what you've been thinking

1125
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:45.080
as you've been watching and listening.

1126
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Thank you guys for tuning in.

1127
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We've got more episodes of the podcast coming all the time.

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Who knows when, put the notifications on, get with it.

1129
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But yeah, thank you guys for watching.

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I will see you in the next episode next time.