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Hey guys, welcome back to the WK Podcast. My name is Michelle and today I'm joined by Zoe.

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Hey guys.

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We'll be diving into the wonderful Victoria Sinister story today.

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Big welcome. Hello.

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Thanks for having me.

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Thanks for coming on.

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Yeah.

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Where are you from again?

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I'm from Australia.

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Come on now.

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Yeah.

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If any of you guys are listening from Australia,

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I've got a little Australian flag emoji in the comments section.

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Victoria used to work for one of the biggest Australia's biggest

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only fans agency and I'll leave you guys with that for the end of the story.

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well no our mission at the way is to reach every young person with a good news of Jesus

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and you're doing that.

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You're helping us do that too.

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So yeah, roll the credits.

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Yeah, Victoria, like I mentioned briefly before,

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like you weren't for one of the biggest like only fans agencies,

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agencies in Australia.

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Could you tell us a little bit more of like what was that experience like for you?

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Yeah, um, wild.

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Absolute madness.

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Yeah, I guess so maybe it's like interesting for people to understand

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exactly how I got involved in that world to go for it.

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And then I think also it's really interesting.

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Well, helpful for people to understand what is only fans and what is agencies,

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because to be honest, not many people actually know what they are.

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Yeah, I don't really know.

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Yeah, okay, great.

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So I'm teaching me.

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Welcome to the classroom.

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No, no.

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So for me, what had happened is yeah, exactly.

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I ended up helping build one of the biggest only fans agencies in Australia.

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And so how I got involved in this was my background is actually in business and specifically

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startups and I was helping one of my friends build hospitality restaurants.

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So and for anyone watching who's worked in hospitality, they know how brutal it is.

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And it's a tough gig and we were working like 100 hour work weeks for like months,

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months and months on end.

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Yeah, it was wild.

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So and like literally like building restaurants.

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Yeah.

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And so it got to a point where I was like, I am exhausted.

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I cannot do this anymore.

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I need a holiday.

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And so I went overseas to Europe for a month there.

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And while I was in Europe, I had another friend to start this thing called an only fans agency.

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And the reason why they decided to start the agency is they already had friends in Australia

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that were some of the biggest only fans creators that we had at the time.

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Huge in Australia, really big in America as well.

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And these girls were complaining about their agency.

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And so my friend, her background was she's an ex-criminal defense lawyer.

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So exceptionally brilliant person.

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And she was like, well, why don't we start our own agency?

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I know like all the legalities I can do all those type of things.

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We already have girls that are in the industry that know what's needed.

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Why don't we get Vic involved?

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She's the one that actually has the business background.

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And so when I came back from my holiday, my friend was like, hey, while you were away,

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we started this thing called an only fans agency.

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Would you be interested in helping us to build it?

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And my lens was like, oh, like, I've kind of heard of only fans.

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But like, I didn't really know what it was.

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I was like, I think that maybe you can just like sell your feet on there.

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Like, I don't really know what.

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Like, because that's what we all think to a degree that it's just like easy money.

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And you can just do something stupid like that.

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And so I was like, okay, I looked at my friends that were in it.

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And I was like, well, they seem rich.

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They seem happier.

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And I don't know what I can hospitality anymore.

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Like, I'm exhausted.

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I'm done with it.

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This seems like a really good business idea.

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And so that's how I got involved in it.

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And so for people that are like, okay, well, what is only fans?

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So only fans is the new iteration of pornography that we have in our generation.

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And it's really important to use the right language.

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Because with only fans, it's so manipulated now.

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Only fans, content creator, only fans model.

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Like, it's like, what does that actually mean?

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And it's like, well, what it means is that you're someone that's doing porn on a porn platform.

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And we need to make that really clear.

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Because that's why there's so much deception around this.

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And so what's really unique about only fans is for the kind of first time ever in history really,

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we've never idolized girls becoming porn stars.

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We've never encouraged this.

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We've never said that for you to reach the pinnacle of success,

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do only fans.

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But that's the generation we live in now, right?

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If you want to be bougie, if you want to be elite,

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if you want to have a mad lifestyle,

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go on only fans, make a bunch of money.

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And usually when it comes to like sexual exploitation,

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it's kind of generally women that are in lower socioeconomic status.

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Maybe they're in a really tough position.

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And they believe that their only option is to do only fan.

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Oh, sorry, is to do sex work.

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But what's unique about only fans is that's not the case.

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So we're actually seeing women that have legitimate career opportunities

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have really good educational backgrounds probably may become from even good families.

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So if they don't fit that stereotype anymore,

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but they're all opting to leave these really good choices

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to jump on a porn platform in the hopes of becoming rich and famous.

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So and we encourage it.

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And I think that that's really interesting from like a cultural perspective.

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But that's just the reality of what only fans is.

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It's a porn platform.

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And so what an only fans agency is.

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If we put on like our business brains with only fans,

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so there isn't like an internal promotional system right.

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So you don't have a 4U page.

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You can't go viral on only fans.

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So so what you have to do is you have to externally promote your only fans to pull people in.

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And so if you think about this, imagine you have girls that have like hundreds of

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thousands of followers, right?

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And they're promoting their only fans on their Instagram.

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Well, the main way that girls promote their only fans is come chat with me in the DMs.

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Come talk to me.

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And that's why only fans are so much more, I think,

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anyways, popular than, you know, traditional porn,

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porn hub, all these different things.

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Because to some degree, that stuff is like nameless and faceless people in quotation marks.

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But with only fans, that girl that I follow on IG that I really like and think

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is really cute, I can now go talk to her on only fans.

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And I can get her to do anything that I want to, like, that's wild, right?

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And so that's the main allure of only fans is the instant messaging,

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which is really, really important.

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And so what happens is if you have this girl that's like funneling all of these

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thousands of followers right from her IG to her OF,

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well, do you think that she can sit there and facilitate all those conversations?

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Absolutely not right.

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But we know that the main allure of only fans is the instant messaging.

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So what happens is when a girl gets to that point,

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she has to offset all that work.

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So that's where an only fans agency comes in.

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So technically, the main most important role of an only fans agency is to impersonate

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being the girl on her behalf to make as much money as possible on the account.

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Yeah, wild.

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And so yeah, for people watching, you're not talking to the girl.

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You're talking to some dude in the Philippines and we'll get into that.

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It's crazy.

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And so it's so important because immediately it shatters the illusion of only fans.

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It's this allure again of I can go talk to this girl.

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She's so easily accessible.

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It's the girl next to a vibe, whatever you want to call it.

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And it's like, no, it's not.

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It's so much deception already just in this part.

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And it's so important for people to understand that.

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But what happens when you kind of work an agency or I guess the main framework

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and structure of this specific agency I was at is this first part.

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So account management.

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So again, your main role is to impersonate being the girl.

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And so what you need to do is when you on board a girl,

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she comes through this thing called like a questionnaire.

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And so what you need to do is get as much information as possible about the girl.

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Because you're impersonating her, right?

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So you need to find out every single little detail that there is about her.

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From like her favorite color, her favorite food,

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like how many family members does she have, whatever,

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all the way down to the most intricate intimate details that you can possibly think of, right?

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And so within that, what I think is really important is I don't know if you guys hear this,

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but a lot of people say that only fans is like the more liberating option.

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It's the safer option.

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Yeah, it gives girls the power and all of that.

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Well, I'm glad you're agreeing with me because otherwise people can be like, what?

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No, but like that's kind of what our culture tells us.

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But even just within the questionnaire, that's already so shattered

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because we have this thing in it called levels and this is really important for a lot of people

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to understand if they believe that only fans kind of takes the predatory nature out of sex worker

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and does make it liberating and does make it empowering.

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Because to be honest with you, I've even had Christians tell me that they thought that it was

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the better thing for girls to do. So this is how yeah, I work in activism now and I'm sure we'll

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get into it. But I even have people that work fighting against sex trafficking say, well,

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I thought only fans was the better option for girls. So we would say instead of doing like,

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you know, traditional prostitution, why don't you do only fans?

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So that's why this is so important because no matter kind of what sphere you're in,

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people really do believe that this is a better option that we're progressing, that we're making

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ethical porn, that we're doing things a safer way. And it's like, no, this is the same thing.

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It's just in a different outfit. So that's why it's so important to like understand these

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little things, right? And then hopefully for your listeners, they can also be equipped when

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they're in their spheres and someone brings this stuff up. So like, wait a minute, I listen to some

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Aussie girl on a podcast. That's not true. Let me tell you the truth. But I'm so within the

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questionnaire, there's these things called levels and the levels is what level of content are you

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comfortable doing. And basically it goes all the way from like Instagram, bikini, lingerie,

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all the way down to everything you can think of it. And the reason why that's so significant

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is because what does that do psychologically to a girl? If we say that she has consent,

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this is her full autonomy, well, if she's looking at these levels and she's going, well, if I

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take level one, does that mean I have to get to level five to be successful? Does that mean that I

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have to jump in these scales? But what if I'm only comfortable doing this? Does that mean I have

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to do that now? And that's what would happen. I have a friend who was very, very big and only

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fans and word for word said, I never would have done the things I did if I didn't have an agency

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that was coercing me into doing them. And so this is why it's really again significant to understand

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this. And so within these levels as well, the culture behind the scenes in management was if a girl

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was complaining about how much money she was making, we would check her level. And so we would be

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like, oh, what does she expect? She's only level one. And so then that's when you'd be like,

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babe, but maybe you should go collaborate with this person or you should do that or have you ever

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considered trying a different style of content? So you're not inadvertently saying it, but you are,

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you know, and I think that's really important as well because what we had realized over a period

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of time is that if you were a level one, which is like the Instagram content, which is wild in

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itself to say, just think about that. You made the least amount of money. And so it was actually my

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idea. I said, let's get rid of level one. And so level two's implied nudity. So one of the main

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things that I hear, I don't know about you guys is again, this, I think you can just jump on there

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and saw your feet like and make easy money. Well, already you're now inaugurated into the system

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where I think I'm just going to sell some like cute feet picks. But now my level one is implied

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nudity. Wait a minute. I didn't think I had to get naked on this platform. I thought that I could

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just do something like that or like my cute little outfits that I post on IG. I could put them

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on OF, but you're telling me now that I need to get naked online. And that's my level one. Oh,

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this isn't what I thought it was. And there's millions. There's 4.5 million content creators

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on only fans. Yeah. And so it's like, that means I wonder how many potentially millions of women

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thought that it was going to be this one thing. And again, I've had friends tell me that I thought

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that I could jump on only fans. So I ended up having to do more and more and more. And I make no

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money. And I was then I had to get it down, but it's up there forever. Like, what do I do with? And

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that's more of a common narrative than the ones who make it big. Out of 4.5 million people on

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only fans, only 300 make more than a million a year. So the margin is really, really small for

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success. So the average wage is actually $180 a month. Yeah. In that wild. That is crazy. Yeah,

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because we all think you jump on only fans. You'll make all this money. It's super easy. But it's

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just not true. Wow. Yeah. It's such a big facade. Yeah. It's madness isn't it? Yeah. Yeah.

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Yeah. Yeah. I'm actually in shock about that. Yeah. And guys, like we're just in like phase one.

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We have another two phases to go. But yeah, it's crazy. And so I think again, it's really important

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important in like shattering this illusion. Right. Yeah. And so what happens from there is you do

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this questionnaire. And then that gets turned into this thing called a brief. And so you need to

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make a brief about the girl because you give it to these things called chatters. And so chatters

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are people that you put on the accounts that are the ones actually doing the messaging.

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So they're the ones impersonating the girl. And so their role is sometimes they'll pretend to be like

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up to five only fans girls. And they just jump between all the different accounts. So

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sexting people and building relationships on only fans. And so where chatters are literally

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people that like you hire from third world countries. So mainly India and the Philippines. That's

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why I said to anyone who's on only fans. You're probably not talking to the girl. You're talking

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to some guy in the Philippines. That's trained in this thing called the girlfriend experience. And

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their role is a commission based role. So their role is to sit there. And again, literally make money

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off the account. And so whatever way they can get money off subscribers, that's what they'd do.

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But they do it through building relationship. Because again, if the main form of how you make money

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on only fans is through messaging, where you can't sit there with someone and every single time

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you have a conversation with them, it's a sexual conversation, right? Yeah. You have to build a

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relationship with them. So that's what we train them in. Hey, how are you? How is your day? How

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is Bob at work? What's going on with this? Oh, I bet that was so difficult. Talk to me about it.

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What's going on here? Why? And then you train them and how to lead all of those conversations into

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sales. And I sort of the same phone from when I worked at the agency. And I was scrolling through

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these messages a couple, maybe like a month ago, with one of the charters and literally verbate

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and one of the charters said, my sales were low today. So I had to gaslight a fan into buying stuff.

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Like this is how manipulated men are being on only fans. But they think it's the girl, right?

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And they think this girl cares about her cares about him. Sorry. And that he's building a relationship

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and that he's seen it like by this famous Instagram girl. And it's like, it's so fake. And so that's

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so important for people to know where. And even when I've said this to some men, like nah,

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nah, it wouldn't be blah, blah. I'm like, dude, like really put like your logic brain on right now.

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Do you really think that that girl who has even 10,000 followers? Let's not go like mega,

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mega hundreds of thousands. Do you really think that she's the one talking to you? And we would have

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subscribers that would start to pick up on holes in the story. And they'll be like, oh,

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is this really you send me a voice message? Well, the chatter then messages us. And then we

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message the girl and we get her to send a voice message and then put it on O.F. Like it's so easy

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to deceive. And so I think that that's really critical for people that consume only fans to

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understand and know that literally it's a sales job. And the only point is to make money off you.

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Like that's it. And so what happens from here is once you've like done the onboarding process

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and you've gone through like the chatters and giving them the briefs, so then the girls would come

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to me. So my role was the marketing. So because that's my background, I was to help build out the

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marketing division of the agency. And so because you don't have an internal promotional system on

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only fans, right? You're promoting on all these different platforms. So I had to figure out how do

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we make girls go as viral as possible, as quickly as possible to be able to pull people into their

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only fans. And so what we ended up doing is we had actually hired an expert that would study

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algorithms. And so this guy every single day was sending us very specific provocative,

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created, curated content. And it was like trending sounds, trending hashtags, trending skits,

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everything you can think of, right? And we were then sending these to the girls. But what I was

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supposed to do was get them excited for how much content they needed to do because just for social

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media. And so again, one of the other things that is a really main argument for only fans is that

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it's easy work. Well, no, it's not. We would get the girls to say a non-negotiable, you need to have

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three to five TikTok accounts. Yeah, wild, right? Yeah. And on each of those accounts every single

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day, you needed to be posting up to five unique videos per account. Imagine having to film like

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20 TikToks and edit them every single day and put them because you guys, I would know, you can't

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put the same videos on multiple TikTok accounts. It flags it. So you need to be making you

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unique. Yeah, you can't put the same stuff up. So this is what we were telling the girls to do

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and literally in, like, I guess, our rules. I still, like, as I said, I sort of screenshots of all

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of this. Imagine you got hired for a job and the job tells you you have to work seven days a week.

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You can't take a day off. That's what we were telling these girls. You have to do this every single

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day. You can't take a day off. If you take a day off, it's going to ruin all your progress and you

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have to start again from the beginning. You're not allowed to do any other content besides the

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content that we tell you to do because it's targeted. It's specific for these audiences. You need to

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have this lighting, this angle, this amount of energy, this many body parts. You got to do this.

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You can't alienate like all of this. And so again, the lifestyle of only fans is, oh my gosh,

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it's so free. It's so liberating. It's so cutesy and fun and all of this is like, no, there's an

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agency that is controlling almost everything that they do. And so what we would do from there with

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and actually, no, I think it's really important just for like to give examples of what this type of

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content was because a lot of men really fall for it, right? Yeah. Specifically on TikTok because

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you can't be true like overtly out there. It's so suggestive and it's so subtle because the whole

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point is to peak men's curiosity and invoke emotions in them that get them hooked. And I've had

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guys literally tell me that Vic, I don't know. It's like, I'm on social media. I'm on TikTok. I'm

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on whatever platform. And then I don't know what happens before you know what I'm just like on a

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porn platform. I'm like, yeah, dude, that's intentional. Like that's because there's a billion dollar

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industry that's doing that and targeting you with these very specific ways to have that happen.

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And then they feel so much shame. They feel embarrassed. How did I get here? But they keep doing it,

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right? It's so intentional. And so what you would, sorry, an example of one of the ones that I always

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give is that there was like a trending video going at the time. It was like a big vanity and

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that had all like the little makeup compacts. So we imagine you have like 60 little compacts that

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have got the mirrors facing up and they're facing you. And you've got this really like sexual

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song playing in the background. And the phone is just scanning all of those little compacts that's

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going back and forth and back and forth. And then the caption says, did you see it? So you go, did I

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see what? What am I supposed to see? You've got this song. It's making you feel something. And then

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before you know it, you look in one of the little mirrors and you see like a split second of a girl

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in lingerie. And then you go, oh, and then you want to see more of it, right? Because you've got all

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of these feelings and emotions from the song and this and that. And then you jump onto the tick talker.

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And imagine there's like thousands of videos like that. Just little this, little that, little that.

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Then you want more. So you click onto the Instagram on Instagram. You can post way more, right? So then

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now you see even more, but then you go to the story and it says, come chat with me. And then

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before you know it, you're on this porn platform and you have this chatter that's just waiting for

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you. And then now you're in, right? And so people are like, like again, how does it happen? That's

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how it happens. It's so targeted. And I think that's so important for men to understand because

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there's so much shame around this for them. There's so much embarrassment. I was speaking at an

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event last week and I had a man in our Q&A session say that he feels like specific specifically

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in faith spaces. He goes, you can talk about your drug problems. You can talk about your alcohol

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problems. But he goes as soon as you try and bring up your porn problems or your sexuality problems.

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No one wants to speak to you. And I think that that's really true for a lot of men. And so I think

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that that's why it's so important. Because on these videos, on like a fresh tick talk account,

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in seven days, we were getting some of these videos to 2.2 million views. So this is how massive

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it is. And that's just one agency in Australia on one account on one video. So we imagine the magnitude

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of how many millions of mega viral videos are out there on the internet that have this ex

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like specifically targeting men. But yet, we don't want to talk about it. And a lot of the times

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we say that men are bad and it doesn't indicate responsibility at all. They need to be accountable,

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but they need to understand how they're being targeted as well. And so that's just tick-tock

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guys. So you can already see the amount of content that's needed just for tick-tock it.

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Then again, for Instagram, it's different than you can post on Reddit. You can go way more

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full on on Reddit than on Twitter ex now. Again, you can do whatever you want. But we were promoting

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girls on every platform you can think of, Snapchat, Stating Apps, every single, if there is a internet

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platform, there is a girls that are being marketed for only fans on it. That's basically how big

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this is. And imagine how much content you need to do to fulfill all of these. Then you also

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need to do all your only fans content, which is all different things. You have these things

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called paper views, custom requests, then you have your actual feed. So the magnitude of content

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that you need to do and put out every single day is insanity, right? It's more than a 40-hour

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work week. So again, we're already shattering that illusion that it's easy work and that you can

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just jump on and take like a couple of cute pictures and make a bunch of money. It's not true.

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And so then the next part is recruitment. And so from a business model as well, you're always

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wanting to bring new people in, right? And so the way that you recruit girls for only fans,

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and this is really important, I guess, for any listeners, maybe even if they're younger. And

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they really feel that pressure. I hear that a lot. I don't know about you guys from young girls.

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I have a friend back home in Australia who's 20 and she's in the church and she sent me a message

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a maybe like two months ago being like, Vic, I'm so like discouraged. I have had so many people

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already tell me that I should just like start an only fans and like that should be my career.

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And like that's what I should just aspire to do. And I was like, wait, what? And she's like,

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yeah, like it just sucks. It makes me feel so like just not good. And I'm like, that's so normal,

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so normal. And again, this is a girl in the church. So it's so important for people to understand

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as well that this isn't like a worldly thing and a secular thing. This is just I speak predominantly

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in faith spaces. And this is where I see the most impact to be honest. I have girls that are in

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tears in my arms very regularly that are like 12, 13 years old, 14 of how much this impacts them.

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And then because they watch this content on social media that then they go act out sexually with

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the boy and do things that they didn't want to do. But that's how they thought that he would like

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me and like, how do I do with the shame? Like all of this. And so it's really important as well

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just for anyone listening that like, this is in the church. And it's just as big of a problem.

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And we need to be talking about this because it might not be perhaps that you're going to have

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these people jump on only fans. But the reality is you mind. I say that to parents, you never would

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have thought that your daughter would maybe go be a porn star. But in our generation, you have to

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realize that's a reality. It really could happen to your kid, even if you're in the church, it could

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happen. But what's even more impactful is even if you're in a youth, you're in a young adult

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night, whatever, if you have a phone, you're going to be impacted by this. And so you could be

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listening in church to all of this. But as soon as you leave the church and you jump on TikTok,

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how are you navigating that world? And that's why this is so important because we need to be able

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to equip our young people and understanding what's happening so that they can make better decisions.

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And so this is really important for the recruitment part because what you would do for recruitment

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is you would scour the internet and you would look for girls that number one, how old did they look?

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Because what we realized at the agency is the girl who we would lie and say was fresh 18. She was

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like 2021. But she made the most amount of money. And when we did a little bit of deep diving,

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we've realized that the most searched porn categories is teen, fresh teen, and barely legal.

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That would be so sick. It's wild, isn't it? And there's a lot of different things we could

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go down of the reality of this, right? The more we encourage this behavior, there's a

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single the process of escalation. So it's like you might start here, right? But then even like you know

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how with the levels, you might start here and then you escalate to here. It's the same with

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pornography consumption. So you might start here watching something and then you go to this

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extreme and we're actually seeing in Australia now that with this kind of I believe anyway is

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promotion of this only fans young culture. Do you know one of the biggest issues facing our

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government is the rise of child pornography? Yeah, our government is inundated. It's actually the

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police force can't keep up with how many reports are coming in of child porn in our country.

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And so it's like can we not understand the direct correlation between the younger the better?

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Where does it end? And so this is why it's so important as well. This is such a bigger thing

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because it's impacting so many different levels, right? And so we had realized that that's what

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made the most money. So when you're scouring the internet looking for girls, you're looking for

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how old do they look? But then are they already posting provocative content? That's why it's

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really important for young people listening to this girls. Like you might think that you're just

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posting that pic and you're getting a little bit of attention and it's nothing. It's not a big deal.

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It's just like a bikini. Everyone does that. Everyone posts a gym pic like whatever.

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And what you need to understand is like sweet girl, there are predators online. And I know that

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because that's what we used to do. And it's so easy to target you. You're so obvious. You might not

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think that you are, but you are. And there's very skilled manipulative people that are going to make

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you feel seen. They're going to make you feel important. They're going to make you feel beautiful.

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And lead you into this lie that come have this luxurious life. And I know that because we did

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it and it worked. And so what you would do is you would message these girls cold message them

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either because if they're posting provocative content, what it does is it tells you one of two

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things. Number one, it tells you that either this girl already has an only fans or she's more likely

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to do something like only fans. So then you message her from this account. And we will legitimately

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throwing like bougie parties like multimillion dollar mansions. We had the luxury cars. We had the

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yachts. We had all the things right. And so we imagine you're now getting a message from this

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account, seeing this fantastic lifestyle. And they noticed you. They think you're really cute.

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That's what we would say. Hey, we saw your Instagram. We love your vibe. We think you're really cute.

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Have you ever considered doing only fans? Have you ever considered management? And from there,

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it's so easy to be able to hook these girls in. And if you really wanted a girl, excuse me,

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you would get one of the owners to message. So now imagine it's not this account,

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but now imagine that you've got this only fans famous girl. And she's messaging me, wow,

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I must be special. And I've had people ask, like, how much does this work? I'm like, dude,

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almost everyone's interested. Why wouldn't you be like, yeah, why wouldn't you want that lifestyle?

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Why wouldn't you want that? Why wouldn't you want the sisterhood? Like that's what I mean by it

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works. So that's why it's really important for our young girls to understand, like, what are you

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posting? And it's really not worth it at the end of the day, because you might think that's not

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going to happen to me. But again, if this is one agency in Australia, there's millions of agencies

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in the world. So we really have to understand that there are predators that are online that are

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doing this. And as bizarre as this sounds, because one of the owners was an ex criminal defense lawyer,

412
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like, we understood not to do illegal things. Like, that was very clear. Because agencies out there

413
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that don't have those ethics and morals. So we knew that, you know, no one under the age of 18,

414
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but imagine other people that don't care about that. So imagine you have these 14, 15-year-old

415
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girls, they're posting all this stuff, and you do have these predators that are, you know,

416
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grooming them and bringing them into this and using that naivety. So I know that's really heavy

417
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and for people to hear, but I think if you, yeah, if you are a young person, maybe you're a parent,

418
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maybe you're an aunt, maybe you're a youth leader, it's so important to understand that because we

419
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need to help our young people as important as it is to say what's happening at school. It's just

420
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as important and critical to say what is happening on your phone? What is happening on social media?

421
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Because that's a whole universe in a world amongst itself, right? And so now we can at least have

422
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some, some awareness and some tools and even for maybe parents that are in the church of one of

423
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the biggest things I hear is my kid knows better. We'll do that. Because now we know how influential this

424
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is. We know how significant this is. Do they really know better? So maybe you really need to start

425
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having those conversations and opening them up to really help protect your children. So that's

426
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why that's so significant. And so yeah, that's basically an agency. They're kind of like the

427
00:31:16.000 --> 00:31:22.400
three main elements. That's what my job was. And that's the world that I was in. Yeah. Wow.

428
00:31:22.720 --> 00:31:28.400
That's crazy. Yeah, it's hard not to get emotional like hearing the realities behind this and how

429
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like it's really helpful to actually know and like have the right language to use about

430
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only fans and it is like a porn industry and it's recruiting porn stars and it's not this,

431
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:45.280
it's not like a fast track to freedom to financial freedom and this crazy lifestyle is actually

432
00:31:45.920 --> 00:31:50.800
being put under the manipulation and control of all these other people behind the scenes that

433
00:31:51.360 --> 00:32:00.480
you know, see these girls as ways to make money. Which is really sad. But I'm so interested to hear

434
00:32:00.480 --> 00:32:05.680
how Jesus met you in the midst of that because from what you're saying that sounds like a really dark

435
00:32:06.480 --> 00:32:13.200
industry that wouldn't have Jesus in it. So I just be really keen and thank you as well for

436
00:32:13.200 --> 00:32:16.720
sharing all of that because I think it's so important to know so that we can ask the right

437
00:32:16.800 --> 00:32:22.800
questions to each other and to our young people. Yeah, I just feel more equipped now. When those

438
00:32:22.800 --> 00:32:28.320
conversations do come up, I'm actually only fans is not freedom. So yeah, but I'd love to hear

439
00:32:28.320 --> 00:32:32.480
how did Jesus meet you in that? What was that like for you? Oh my gosh, it's the best story ever.

440
00:32:32.480 --> 00:32:36.000
It's my favorite thing to share. But no, I'm so glad because that's the whole point of this. It's

441
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to not overwhelm people like but it's like, okay, how can I be equipped to and how can I navigate

442
00:32:41.200 --> 00:32:46.480
this now in my world? But what happened for me is so we've all heard about the craziness of

443
00:32:46.480 --> 00:32:52.000
the life I was living and along with that lifestyle comes the drugs and alcohol, right? Like that's

444
00:32:52.000 --> 00:33:00.800
just a byproduct of when you think you're at the top. But for me personally, it was I'm doing all

445
00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:06.240
of the marketing and what we had realized is that subscribers were starting to see holes in our

446
00:33:06.240 --> 00:33:11.760
story. And so that's when we went, oh, I can't just be doing all the marketing and then the only

447
00:33:11.760 --> 00:33:16.400
fans account manager over here doing all the only fans account managing. We have to split the girls

448
00:33:16.400 --> 00:33:22.000
in half and then now do the full life cycle of both it. And so that's when I actually jumped

449
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:26.080
onto the back end of only fans and actually saw what we were doing because of the first like eight

450
00:33:26.080 --> 00:33:30.320
months, I was just doing the front end. I still wasn't even fully aware of the magnitude of what we

451
00:33:30.320 --> 00:33:35.760
were doing behind the scenes. And so when I jumped onto the back end of only fans, that's when I started

452
00:33:35.760 --> 00:33:40.640
to realize, oh, my gosh, we're selling porn. Like this is what we're doing. And imagine that it's

453
00:33:40.640 --> 00:33:45.600
now my friends, it's girls that I've built relationships with. And even personally, I've actually

454
00:33:45.600 --> 00:33:50.880
never been a consumer of pornography. So I'm seeing porn for the first time. It's my friends. And

455
00:33:50.880 --> 00:33:56.000
I'm just devastated. I'm like crying every single day. Like I can't do my job because I'm like,

456
00:33:56.000 --> 00:34:01.040
that girl is so smart. The girl is so kind. That girl is so funny. And these are the dreams that we're

457
00:34:01.120 --> 00:34:06.080
telling her to dream. Like we're getting girls out of legitimate jobs, legitimate modeling contracts,

458
00:34:06.080 --> 00:34:12.400
all these opportunities and telling them to do this. And I'm devastated. And I was just like,

459
00:34:12.400 --> 00:34:17.520
this doesn't feel good. And so I started to ask questions and ask people the agency what they

460
00:34:17.520 --> 00:34:22.240
think. And I just wasn't satisfied with any of the answers that we have these things back home

461
00:34:22.240 --> 00:34:26.320
called safe injecting heroin rooms. I don't know if you guys have them here. It's like a safe place

462
00:34:26.320 --> 00:34:32.720
for people to do drugs basically. And I had someone say, oh, only fans are agencies like a safe

463
00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:36.720
injecting heroin room. People need a safe place to do drugs. We give people a safe place to do

464
00:34:36.720 --> 00:34:43.760
porn. Like all these answers and I just wasn't satisfied with them. And for me personally,

465
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I actually got exposed to cocaine at 13 years old. So I'd been, I'm 25 at this point. So

466
00:34:48.800 --> 00:34:54.000
drugs and alcohol are a huge part of my story. But now at this point, it's actually getting

467
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:58.560
crazy dark. Like I'm staying awake for days on end on cocaine. Like because I'm trying to cope

468
00:34:58.560 --> 00:35:03.920
with what we're doing. But nothing's working anymore. Nothing's numbing me out. And I just went,

469
00:35:03.920 --> 00:35:08.080
I hate my life. I hate what we're doing. This doesn't feel good. But everyone's telling me that

470
00:35:08.080 --> 00:35:14.560
like it's me. Like I'm the problem. And I'm like, I have to do something to feel better. And so I'm

471
00:35:14.560 --> 00:35:20.080
like, what the heck can I do to feel better? And I just had this genius idea. And I went, I know,

472
00:35:20.160 --> 00:35:26.560
I'll do like a really extreme act of good. And I'm like, if I do this like wild act of good,

473
00:35:26.560 --> 00:35:30.560
that will obviously offset all the bad that I'm doing. And that'll like make me feel better.

474
00:35:30.560 --> 00:35:35.680
And so I'm like, okay, what's an extreme enough act of good? And I'm like, oh my gosh, you

475
00:35:35.680 --> 00:35:41.360
know, it's so dramatic. I'll go overseas and I'll help refugees. I'm like, that's so extra.

476
00:35:41.360 --> 00:35:46.000
That'll make me feel better. And so at the time, we were building the agency, but we were also

477
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:50.320
building a medicinal cannabis company. And that was like my dream business because my background

478
00:35:50.320 --> 00:35:55.760
is actually in psychology and alternative medicine. And so that was like my dream business. And so I

479
00:35:55.760 --> 00:36:00.880
was like, okay, you know what? I'll go overseas. I'll help a bunch of refugees. By the time I come

480
00:36:00.880 --> 00:36:04.560
back, the cannabis company will be up and running. And then I don't have to work at the agency

481
00:36:04.560 --> 00:36:10.320
anymore. And I've like, I'm in myself out genius. And so and the reason why I love this story. And

482
00:36:10.320 --> 00:36:14.800
so for anyone listening as well is this was in my selfishness. Like I was literally like, I'm

483
00:36:14.800 --> 00:36:18.560
going to go there, maybe take some pics for some refugees, like put it on IG, like feel better

484
00:36:18.560 --> 00:36:24.000
about myself. And like, but that's what that was the tiny little opening that the Lord needed. I

485
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:29.520
wasn't even seeking Jesus. I was just being selfish and trying to feel better. And what ended up

486
00:36:29.520 --> 00:36:34.800
happening is I have this random memory that I went to a church when I was a little kid, but we

487
00:36:34.800 --> 00:36:38.720
stopped going and was like eight years old from my lens minimal interaction there. Don't really

488
00:36:38.720 --> 00:36:43.600
remember much about it at all. But I remember that they had a refugee program. So it was like sick.

489
00:36:43.600 --> 00:36:48.560
I'll Google the church and I'll sign up for this refugee program. So Google this church and I

490
00:36:48.560 --> 00:36:54.640
feel in this like outreach application. And this is where I get really wild. So what ends up

491
00:36:54.640 --> 00:36:59.680
happening is that outreach application never goes to the outreach department. But instead the young

492
00:36:59.680 --> 00:37:04.320
adults pastor got an email. And I know it because I got to see it months later. And the email said

493
00:37:04.320 --> 00:37:08.800
Victoria wants to reach out to the church. Here's her number call her. And so the young adults

494
00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:13.440
pastor a week later calls me and is like, Hey, I heard you want to come down to the church. Can I

495
00:37:13.440 --> 00:37:17.920
invite you to come this Thursday? Now I think it's like the vetting process of like what Christians

496
00:37:17.920 --> 00:37:23.440
do. Like I had no idea. I just sort of refugees. But I remember I get invited to come to this church

497
00:37:23.440 --> 00:37:28.800
on a Thursday. So guys like I rock up to this church. Pretty sure like I'm like vaping on my way

498
00:37:28.800 --> 00:37:34.080
like all the like dude, like you can imagine the life I'm living like all the things. And I remember

499
00:37:34.080 --> 00:37:39.360
like sitting in my car at the front of this church and being like, I can't go in there. Like I'm

500
00:37:39.360 --> 00:37:44.000
such a bad person. Like I'm going to burst into flames if I walk into that church. Like I can't

501
00:37:44.000 --> 00:37:49.120
go in there. And I remember sitting in my car just like wrestling with myself. And I just

502
00:37:49.680 --> 00:37:54.320
I just heard this voice and I didn't I believe that it was, you know, the voice of God. I didn't

503
00:37:54.320 --> 00:37:58.480
understand that at the time. But I just felt like it said like Victoria, there's someone in there

504
00:37:58.480 --> 00:38:02.880
and they're waiting for you. Just go in. And so I was like, okay, I'm just going to go in there.

505
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:09.040
And I end up word vomiting for hours. To this young adult's pastor. I sell porn. Everyone

506
00:38:09.040 --> 00:38:13.280
tells me that it's good, but it feels bad. And like I think you can get my personality well enough

507
00:38:13.280 --> 00:38:18.000
by now. Um, imagine that totally unhinged like three hours just telling some stranger that I sell

508
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:25.040
porn. Like and she was so beautiful. Like she literally she didn't do what I thought Christians

509
00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:28.720
would do. She didn't tell me that I'm going to burn in hell. She didn't judge me. She didn't

510
00:38:28.720 --> 00:38:35.520
condemn me. She just listened. And then at the end or she goes is we have a guest speaker who's

511
00:38:35.520 --> 00:38:39.760
coming to church this Sunday. And I really think he will resonate with them. So I'd love to

512
00:38:39.760 --> 00:38:44.080
invite you to come to church. And it's not this point. I'm like, all right, sure, whatever.

513
00:38:44.080 --> 00:38:49.520
And so I rock up to church on the Sunday. And guys, the guest speaker in church is talking about

514
00:38:49.600 --> 00:38:57.520
only fans. Madness. Yeah. It was wild. She's talking about this over sexualized culture,

515
00:38:57.520 --> 00:39:01.920
this overpornified culture and the reality of what's going on. And she travels around schools

516
00:39:01.920 --> 00:39:06.480
all around the country. And she sees firsthand what is happening to our young people. And she said

517
00:39:06.480 --> 00:39:12.080
this line. And this is what changed everything. She goes Christians are supposed to be the salt

518
00:39:12.080 --> 00:39:16.400
in the light of the earth. And they have failed. And we are destroying the next generation.

519
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:21.680
And it immediately clicked in my heart. And I went, oh, my gosh, I am not crazy. What we are doing

520
00:39:21.680 --> 00:39:26.720
is wrong. This is bad. And I just knew where. And so like, I'm like in the balcony, like at the back,

521
00:39:26.720 --> 00:39:30.960
but like literally when she finished speaking, I ran down to her. And I went up to this stranger.

522
00:39:30.960 --> 00:39:36.480
And I said, hi, my name's Victoria. I work for an only fans agency. And I hate myself. And again,

523
00:39:36.480 --> 00:39:41.040
didn't do what I thought Christians would do. She literally just goes, would you like to have lunch

524
00:39:41.360 --> 00:39:47.200
with me? And this beautiful woman sat with me for hours and just answered my questions. Isn't this

525
00:39:47.200 --> 00:39:52.240
like a safe injecting heroin room? Ethical porn, girl power, liberating all the lies that I believed.

526
00:39:52.240 --> 00:39:57.040
And she just spoke the truth to me. And what I think is so impactful about that day is,

527
00:39:57.040 --> 00:40:01.280
I've had so many people in faith ask me, well, you know, did they share the gospel? Did they

528
00:40:01.280 --> 00:40:06.080
Jesus? Who did they this? I said, no, I never did one of these. I never did anything like that

529
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because I wasn't a pet project to convert. I was just a human. And I was someone that needed

530
00:40:10.160 --> 00:40:14.560
someone's time and someone just to answer my questions. And it was so powerful and it was so

531
00:40:14.560 --> 00:40:20.960
impactful that literally I left that day. And I never even remember someone talking to me about

532
00:40:20.960 --> 00:40:25.840
Jesus, to be honest with you, but I left going, I don't know what this Jesus thing is, but I have

533
00:40:25.840 --> 00:40:30.320
to follow it with all my heart. And so that was on the Sunday. By the Friday, I literally quit the

534
00:40:30.320 --> 00:40:34.880
agency. I walked away from a 13 year friendship, my dream business. I walked away from everything in

535
00:40:34.960 --> 00:40:40.240
my life. And eight weeks later, I'm sober, I'm baptized. And literally eight months later,

536
00:40:40.240 --> 00:40:44.480
from there is when God sent me on my first international tour. And that's what I've been doing

537
00:40:44.480 --> 00:40:48.800
the past two and a half years, traveling the world, speaking about only fans and how Jesus radically

538
00:40:48.800 --> 00:41:01.280
changed my life in five days. Whoa. Michelle, let the tears flow. It's open. Oh, Michelle,

539
00:41:02.240 --> 00:41:13.920
I'm emotional too. We got some tissue. Wow, that is so beautiful. Yeah, I mean, I don't know if

540
00:41:13.920 --> 00:41:26.160
you want to share. Okay. Wow. I mean, me, Michelle, especially myself, been very touched by that.

541
00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:32.880
I think, I mean, for me, when I was a singer, you share that, especially how like you were saying,

542
00:41:32.880 --> 00:41:39.040
how nobody was like the shared explicit gospel with you right in those few days, but they showed

543
00:41:39.040 --> 00:41:45.360
the character of Jesus to you. And that is, that is everything. That was like, they showed all the

544
00:41:45.360 --> 00:41:48.640
fruits of the spirit to you. They were patient with you, they were gentle, they were kind, they were

545
00:41:48.640 --> 00:41:55.760
loving. And I think, I mean, that just speaks to who we're called to be as Christians, which is

546
00:41:55.760 --> 00:42:05.440
to be like Jesus and to not meet people with condemnation or judgment or hate or anger,

547
00:42:05.440 --> 00:42:13.280
but to meet them, how Jesus would meet them. So yeah, I was just, I'm really like encouraged by

548
00:42:13.280 --> 00:42:18.480
that. I'm encouraged that you were met, how you would, how you're supposed to be met, which is

549
00:42:18.560 --> 00:42:24.320
the way that Jesus would have met you. And yeah, I was just very grateful.

550
00:42:25.680 --> 00:42:31.440
So I think, I think like obviously like on this platform, we did young people have to evangelise.

551
00:42:31.440 --> 00:42:38.320
And I think the most impactful way that I've encountered God is when somebody's just sat with me

552
00:42:39.040 --> 00:42:42.480
and when they've not like preached at my face, you know, and they've just like,

553
00:42:43.440 --> 00:42:49.120
or asked me questions, how are you doing? And then I tell them and they're like, okay, should we go

554
00:42:49.120 --> 00:42:57.040
fill in just something? You know, and I just think that like, that's so powerful. Because like,

555
00:42:57.040 --> 00:43:05.840
Jesus didn't condemn the woman at the well or the woman with the issue of blood.

556
00:43:05.840 --> 00:43:17.920
Yeah, it is it. That's what I love about it. That's what I love. It's the simplicity and the

557
00:43:17.920 --> 00:43:23.600
purity of that. It's unconditional love. I was shown like my inauguration into faith was

558
00:43:23.600 --> 00:43:29.360
unconditional love. And I just think that that's so beautiful. Because exactly it meant that

559
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:34.800
when I walked away that day, like God is so powerful that he used those people. And again,

560
00:43:34.800 --> 00:43:40.240
I had no concept of Jesus or anything of the gospel, but I just knew there was something in my

561
00:43:40.240 --> 00:43:46.160
essence that knew where I have to follow him and it only took five days to be like, I can't bear

562
00:43:46.160 --> 00:43:52.000
this life anymore. Where to be honest, if maybe someone did treat me more like a transaction,

563
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:56.160
maybe I was just a number on a school board of like, oh, let's get another person saved in church

564
00:43:56.160 --> 00:44:00.720
for like to look good or whatever. Like maybe I would have left feeling even more confused,

565
00:44:00.800 --> 00:44:05.120
even less understood, less seen. And then being like, well, this person just said, like,

566
00:44:05.120 --> 00:44:08.400
I don't really know. And then like, who knows what would have happened? And I think that that's

567
00:44:08.400 --> 00:44:15.440
what's so powerful is that we can be like, I'm really learning that in faith. People can be so

568
00:44:15.440 --> 00:44:21.280
quick to just dismiss or not take the time or be like, I'm going to tell you what I know you need.

569
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:25.680
You have no idea what that person needs. Maybe they don't need to hear that specific thing,

570
00:44:25.680 --> 00:44:31.040
but they need that. Maybe they do need the time, the encouragement. Maybe they need it like,

571
00:44:31.040 --> 00:44:35.920
just a hug. Like, who knows what it is. But I love that the people that I interacted with had

572
00:44:35.920 --> 00:44:40.800
such wisdom to know that this is what Victoria needed. She needed someone to listen to her.

573
00:44:40.800 --> 00:44:45.040
And she needed a questions answered. And that's how Jesus was able to just radically move her.

574
00:44:45.920 --> 00:44:50.240
And I think that it's that beauty of like, how can we just slow down? How can we be good listeners?

575
00:44:50.240 --> 00:44:54.800
Yeah. And then be like, Jesus, what do you want me to do in this situation? Not what do I think?

576
00:44:55.440 --> 00:45:01.920
And that's what transformed my life. Yeah. Wow. That was amazing. And I think

577
00:45:02.560 --> 00:45:06.640
there's probably been one of the main takeaways for me is not only learning about

578
00:45:07.440 --> 00:45:15.040
the reality and like taking off the mask of only fans and getting behind that and teaching

579
00:45:15.040 --> 00:45:22.720
our young people what to steer clear of, which is, you know, posting themselves in a certain way

580
00:45:23.280 --> 00:45:27.440
online because there are people out there that would want to use them to make money.

581
00:45:28.400 --> 00:45:32.800
And also for the young boys that might encounter those,

582
00:45:33.680 --> 00:45:38.080
TikTok accounts are one of those unique videos being posted that it's literally being posted

583
00:45:38.080 --> 00:45:45.040
to trap them into law them in. It's not like they're this crazy, it's not all on them. It's being

584
00:45:45.040 --> 00:45:53.360
pushed to them. But as well that then we can meet other people that have experienced that,

585
00:45:53.360 --> 00:45:57.680
that have experienced that world or just just anyone that is coming into the church to meet them

586
00:45:57.680 --> 00:46:03.280
with the kindness of God and to not be that person that's like, yeah, I know what you need.

587
00:46:03.280 --> 00:46:09.360
But to be somebody that listens to be somebody that actually cares, like deep down into actually

588
00:46:09.440 --> 00:46:16.480
show compassion and ask like, what do you need? And ask what do you need? Yeah, because if you

589
00:46:16.480 --> 00:46:22.800
think about it, we, you know, all pray for revival, we pray for souls. I'm like, but guys, imagine

590
00:46:22.800 --> 00:46:31.520
if like 4.5 million people came out of only fans within the next couple years because of our prayers.

591
00:46:32.400 --> 00:46:36.960
How would the church be equipped for that? Would we be equipped for that? Would people be able to

592
00:46:36.960 --> 00:46:41.440
know how to handle an inundation of people leaving because to be honest with you, I'm seeing the

593
00:46:41.440 --> 00:46:46.080
beginnings of it almost every single person that I've met that has left only fans. It's because of

594
00:46:46.080 --> 00:46:53.040
Jesus in wild ways. I had a girl message me that she was doing porn and in only fans and she

595
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just heard a voice say to stop and she stopped it. And then now she's been going to church,

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she just brought a children's Bible like she's doing, but she has no discipleship like she has

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and she lives on the other side of the world for me, so I help her I can. But I'm like the church

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needs to be so equipped because our prayers are being answered. People are leaving the sex industry.

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There is so much that is happening in that industry and it is so exciting. But when they come

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into the church, they're looking for help. They're looking for answers. They're looking for support.

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And of course, like don't hear what I'm not saying isn't like we need to be like the replacement

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for Jesus. But the power is that we have the wisdom of God. So we can sit there and be like okay,

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we're having more and more girls come in. We're having more and more people that are impacted by this.

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And if this is the magnitude of it, imagine how many people are impacted. Again, maybe they're not

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necessarily doing only fans, but how many young people in our church congregations are probably

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struggling with porn, struggling with lust, struggling with comparison, body shame, self hatred,

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all these different byproducts from this only fans culture. And what are we actually doing? Because

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the beauty of Jesus is it's incomprehensible freedom. That's what he paid for. That's what this

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story is. It's a story of freedom and not walking in shame anymore and being able to say look at

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what God did. And we also facilitating that for other people in our church, you know, and I think

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that again, just to reiterate to people the power of that is people sitting with me in taking time

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and answering my questions and listening to me and not judging me if it was a silly question or

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if I didn't understand. And that compassion, like the kindness of God is what leads people to

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repentance. And that's that's as simple and as it was for me, it was the kindness of people that

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led me to repent, you know, with, yeah. And would you say that that's like,

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what would you say are the other practical ways of helping people who are like also just like

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being equipped as a church and ready, even just as young people, being obviously I've

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sure like loads of our friends are struggling with it, you know. And like how can we be

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there for our friends? What would you say would be some practical things?

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Um, I think that sometimes it can be like so overwhelming, right? There's so many problems in

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the world and as believers, it's like, oh my gosh, there's like another thing that I have to,

622
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I have to do this. I have to be patient and kind and caring, but also like hope it like, oh my gosh,

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it's a lot. It's like it's actually really, really simple. And it comes from your, are you a friend

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of Jesus? It's crazy how simple it is. I don't have the capacity within me to be patient and to be

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a good listener and slow to speak and slow to anger and all of these things. But what I do of the

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capacity to do is every single day I can spend time with the Lord intimate time with Jesus. And

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that is what gives me the capacity. That's what gives me the wisdom. That's what gives me the

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patience. And so a natural byproduct of if you value and put above everything else, especially

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as a young person, like we, a lot of us have the luxury of maybe we're not married yet, maybe

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we don't have children yet. Um, we do have time. We really do. And so why, why wouldn't you be like

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even when I'm on tour and traveling the world, I still will spend time with God. Like even if it

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makes me tired, even if it's whatever, maybe it's not ours. When I'm home, I have no excuse,

633
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I can spend hours with Jesus every single day. But wake up earlier, do what you need to do because

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it's not worth it to not do it. It's actually that simple. And so what that can look like from a

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practical lens of like, well, what the heck does that mean? It's been time we've got like,

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sometimes it's as simple as like I just put on like a worship set for like an hour in the morning.

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And I don't have my phone in my room. I don't sleep with my phone in my room. My phone is in

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the bathroom and I have an alarm clock. And so that I think is the number one most important thing

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for like our generation. I'm 27. Get the phone out of the room. Wake up early in the morning.

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And immediately do not touch it. Like don't go near it. Put it in somewhere else. If you have a

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separate space that you can go to, go to that space. It's so biblical like having a dwelling

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place like a place that you continuously go to to pray. I just put on worship sets in the

643
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beginning. I didn't know how to do this. It's not like I had a formula. But sometimes I go for an

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hour. And sometimes I would just sing. I would dance. Sometimes I just lie there and be like,

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God, I don't know what I'm doing. And the power of God, he just comes and he wrecks me. And then I

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just keep it really achievable of again, you don't have to do this. I'm hoping that again,

647
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it's practicals. I read a chapter a day and I just have questions that I answer. I have four

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questions. What is the context? What stood out to me? How do I see God in this and Holy Spirit?

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What do you want to reveal to me? So that I just read this chapter. I don't move forward from

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the chapter until I finish my question. So and then that way I'm able to understand the Bible.

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I'm able to understand the context. I'm able to understand how I see God in this. And then I'm

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able to set because if you have to hear the Holy Spirit, right? You have to listen. You have to

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be silent. And I just write it all down and that's just what it looks like. But from that,

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then it's like, I read this. I saw the characteristics of God in this. I understood this more than

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as a natural byproduct. I leave my quiet time. Yeah. It's true. And I'm able to just organically

656
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because I think that that's what I'm noticing in faith world is that people are like, I have to

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try to do all these things. I have to be this. I have to and again, it's putting more pressure on

658
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and you don't need that unnecessary pressure. But if you can just get that foundation right and

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do that well, you're not going to feel this unnecessary pressure because you're so just

660
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entangled with Jesus and his essence that it's just going to like ooze out of you. And so

661
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then when your friend comes to you and talks to you about porn or maybe it gets brought up in

662
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a conversation or whatever, you're not going to freak out and over analyze of how do I handle it?

663
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What do I do? Because it's just going to like, it's just going to like leak out of you. You know,

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I wear. And so I think that that's really practical and really achievable for a lot of young people

665
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is don't overcomplicate it. Jesus doesn't make us jump through hoops. He's actually really simple. He

666
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just wants a relationship. He wants to be your best friend and your lover. And the way you do that

667
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is you just hang out with him. You know, and it's really that simple. There's practice because,

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I mean, just so helpful. And like, I love how you're like, just the essence of Jesus will flow

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through. I mean, it's so true. And I've experienced that even in my own life and like, that practical

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is just so helpful. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. I'm glad. But yeah, like, thank you so much for

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coming and joining us and sharing your story because it's been so powerful. Like, I'm so like,

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that's like right. That's right. And thank you for like exposing this and like talking about it.

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Like, I'm sure people just hearing that alone of like, this is the marketing behind it. It's so

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like, it's full of deception. And like, I hope that awakens us. And like, all of us are just

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children. You know, we're children of God trying to, yeah, trying to figure and navigate this life

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out. And like, you talking about this is just so powerful. But even like, just within your story,

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there's so much hope. There's so much hope. And that's what I feel really impacted by. It's just

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like God just really reached, reached out for you. And he's doing that to lots of lots of people

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and he wants to. Yeah, guys, thank you so much for tuning in. I am wrecked.

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Comment down below what your favorite section was. What's be powerful for you. There's freedom.

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I love you guys. So we'll see you in the next episode. I just Victoria. Thank you.

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My guys.