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Hey guys, welcome back to the WK Podcast. My name is Michelle and today we are joined with two

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incredible people. These guys are a part of our team. Their capacity is usually like behind

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the scenes or more pastoral and I just wanted to honor you guys before we start the podcast.

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I just want to say thank you for the way that you carry what the Lord has put in your hearts

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and that is evangelism and equipping the next generation in that and you guys do that in the

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capacity of like amplify and also next move I'm sure you guys will talk about it but I just

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wanted to honor you guys for that because that's helped build the culture and our team and we

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really love you guys but do you want to introduce yourselves? Yeah. So I'm Marina and Mary

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Chudam Rando and I'm Brazilian so I came to the UK about eight years ago nearly eight years ago

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came to the mission and she liked to do it. Cybership thing. It's working with young people in

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schools. The plan was to be in the UK for a year and a half doing that but here I am. Yes,

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we met and with God's leading and we got married and yeah now we lead next move Europe together.

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It's a new thing recently it's about two years and it comes with all the beauties and joys and

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challenges of working together as a couple. We're part of Life Church Lancashire where I lead

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this student said to young adults so yeah being involved and working with an action

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narration, an evasive action narration is something that is very close in the edge of our hearts.

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Yeah definitely and now raising one of the next generations as well so that's a big detail.

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No, no, it's fun. So my name's Dan and I'm the dad to Grace Rando which is you know it's always

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like secondary kind of like that's my secondary like it's my primary role but she's first

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which is great. So we live in the North England so I am Bernle just with Manchester and as

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Marina said we get to lead this thing called next moving Europe together which is really fun

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and leading together and that's got all sorts of great challenges and journey and excitement and

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privilege to do together and then being rooted in that local context so yeah Life Church Lancashire

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and one of the part of the senior leadership team there which is a lot of fun and then yeah on

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the side we have the privilege of supporting the way in a few different ways which is fun

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we love you guys. I mean big titles floating around here. We're not into titles.

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Into responsibility. As you can tell they're so humble. We've done a Marina. We like to feel like

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we are just under behind supporting the next generation now. So we're a family omission.

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That's it that's what we say and that's if you ask our daughter that's what she sometimes she

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says around we're family omissions so that's who we were trying to figure it out how to be a

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family omission. Guys that's so awesome to hear and I think just before we get into your individual

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stories just wanted to hear a bit of context of what next move is. Yeah so next move is a global

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community of leaders of leaders with a simple passion and heart to see Christianity accelerated

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in the next generation and it's leaders of all age and stage all with that one focus together and

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we do that through community helping leaders and found real relationships transformation

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relationships who are isolated but also in other spaces through collaborating together and then

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through leadership cultivation so how we raise up not just the next generation but raise up leaders

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of the next generation as well. You guys were in Philippines recently? Yes. Yes. Just got back.

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Just got back. Kenny was a beautiful wake of about 180 just over 180 leaders from all over the

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globe and it just was just a beautiful picture of thinking about God. People from all raised

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all backgrounds all ages coming together to be united with the same focus. How do we work together

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to see Christian it's accelerating the next generation in different contexts? It was a beautiful

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wake. That's so powerful and it's like it's important work what you guys are doing. I guess I

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just wanted to take it back to both of your stories individually. Did you guys grow up in a Christian

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family? How do you guys come to faith? Like all that sort of thing? Yeah so my my mom became a Christian.

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I was about three years old so basically grew up in a Christian family. I had a lot of

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challenge growing up. There's another podcast that I share a bit of my story so people can listen

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to it. I won't go all in details but it was a Christian family but there was a lot of challenge

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that. It never made me lose my faith but in a lot of times made me doubt God and who God was

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and where was God you know that was happening to me but I think my turning point was

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actually like there was two times when I was about 15 when I decided I wanted to get baptized

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and I had a lot that I felt like I needed to let go and people I needed to forgive

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so in that journey it was the first time of my healing is that and like and that healing brought

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me closer to God. So yeah that was when I was about 15. I think that was the moment that I felt like

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I'm choosing days now. I'm choosing God. I'm choosing to leave ages this up. 15. 15. Okay. So it was I

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think for many years of my life I was going to church doing all church stuff but a lot of the times

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I felt forced to have to go. I felt like I had I it wasn't a choice at my house to go to church or

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not you had to but then at that point was it felt for me like I am choosing God now and I am

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choosing to go into this healing journey with God to let my person let things go and then I think

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again when I was about 20 it was another big step of my journey that has an adult because I think

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has a 15 years old. I knew what I was doing but I didn't know completely so then at about 20

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has an adult it was I had faced another few challenge and again I felt my faith like it's these

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what I really want is these the life I want and it was the time that I was like no this is I'm giving

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email after days and when it's when I went into being a missionary as well so and then from there

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there was never turning back there's always ups and downs which I think is part of a faith journey

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you have ups and downs it never feels like when I look back it never felt like straight forward of

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steady but it's been yeah beautiful journey with God so far. That's so amazing so from 15

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your life was like you decided yes you know what this is exact this is what I want this is the

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life that I wanted. I'm not told I have to be a creation yeah I'm choosing to be a creation

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incredible. Wow and then you went on missions did you say briefly? Yeah so when I was 20 years old

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I think since very young age I had like people saying to me yeah I feel like you're gonna be a

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missionary and then from my young adult age I felt that as well and then I was 20 nearly 21 was

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I felt God really calling me a ministry and I left my job left everything to go and be a full

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time missionary and I left my job I didn't have and that was the first time I really really felt

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I heard God's voice saying to me to do that for me what that meant was like leaving my job I didn't

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have support of most of my family or my friends people saying you're crazy you're 20 like 20 or so

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like you had the highest point of your life like why you're not going to uni and what I did at that

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time was me and a few friends we started a project with kids and young people in favelas in

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Islam in Brazil and the thing is in Brazil at that time to be considered missionary it was like

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if you're going abroad and I was doing it in my own city the place I grew I kind of grew up and so

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it was a very hard season in that sense because I was sure I was doing ministry I was being a

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missionary but people would struggle to understand that because they're like but you still living at

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home like you're not going abroad or anything and that was a beautiful journey with God and you

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ask if that's how I came to the UK yes I did that for about eight years and a half from and through

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that we grew the project to other slums in Brazil to other countries then we joined with another

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couple of friends and from that we started deciding we wanted to mobilize the church in Brazil

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to send missionaries but not to just send but to do it well because Brazil is one of the most

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sending nation in the world but I don't feel like the church does it very well the church is learning

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and is doing better so then from that movement was when I heard about the organization I came to

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the UK with and yeah and that's how I kind of ended up in the UK I feel like I couldn't

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for no diversion to answer your question but it was because that 20 years old I heard God's voice

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and I decided his voice would be louder than anyone else in that moment and that led me to be

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well I am right now how did you hear God's voice um I remember I was so because I left my job and

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I was starting another one so I left the job I had because I had had the way better

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job to go to and I was very young and I had a very good job like a very good salary for that time

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and in that time I was already working in that project while I was doing it over the weekends

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so we do like Sunday school and with the kids and the interesting thing was the day I was

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meant to start the new job was the day that the project was starting full time so the project was

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initially only on Sundays but then while like praying we felt this kids I see on the street

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during the week there's two being groomed to be drug dealers and all that so we wanted to be able

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to do something that we would take the kids out of the streets because they would go to school

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either in the morning or afternoon and then the rest of the day they would just be around and being

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groomed to all sorts um but then I was like okay I'm gonna continue supporting like how I thought

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I'm gonna have a much better job so I can support financially and then the week before my new job

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would start and the project would go in full time we took time has a team to pray uh for

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for everything that was going on for finances for all that we needed and during that week time of

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prayer it was a strong thinking my heart and in my mind that it was I felt literally God saying to

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me I took you out of that job not just that a new one I want you to do this right now um and for

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me it was very doubting to you like is this just in my head is it just something that is it my idea

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that I should do this um but I think that is the beauty when you were 20 21 you're so brave like

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I think if that happened right now it would be a way more like what about this what about that

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and because at that age I decided I really feel like it was something it really was burning in my heart

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and I remember I would go to the project in the morning to like to help with the stuff and to pray

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and like my heart would literally burn as I walked into that community so I I was so sure that's like

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this is not me it's too good and too crazy to be me like because at that age

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why would I not go for job that I would make way more money would give me stability and all that

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so in that moment I the courage that I had has a young adult and the certainty like that

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burn in my heart like that you walk into a community and you're looking around and your heart

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pounding I remember that feeling of like literals out why am I shaking wise my heart pounding

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but I really believe that at that time was God giving me his heart for that community um and yeah I

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don't don't know if that answer your question how that's wonderful like I think there's like really

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profound things within what you've just said that the voice of God doesn't always have to sound

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audible it can literally he can literally change our hearts and break our hearts for what breaks his

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and like give us this passion that is so given from him for the people that he wants us to reach

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and that's just so powerful and the other thing that you said um about how you're like friends

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and family were confused on how you're you're calling yourself a missionary but you're still in

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Brazil and I think like for people listening I think that's really helpful to hear because

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just because the Lord is might have told you that like given you a heart for missions doesn't mean

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that you will be flying around to different places and traveling around um it can literally look like

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in your own context and that that was what for me and we had to to face that for years because

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our wording that contacts for eight and a half years um but it was and it's it's like it can go on

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for me was also after confirmations that like I had moments where I felt like God what do I do now

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I feel like you called me I obeyed if you come doesn't if you don't come through now

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maybe that was just in my mind but I think because of my strong relationship with God and really

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having the certainty of the calling at that moment that was to serve in my own city was to serve my

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own people um that is what made me keep going when people around me were not believing when people

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around me were saying you're crazy don't do that or literally having family members say I'm not

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going to support you because I don't agree with it um like my parents for example both of them

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never great with like my mom is a Christian my dad is not so for my dad was even harder but she

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like how do you leave that the Bible says that I should honor my parents but my parents are telling

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me to not do it totally um but then I think is the difference in the season of life that you have

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to obey your parents when you honor your parents but God's voice is first yeah there's a I think

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there's a difference between obeying and honoring yeah yeah I want to also get into into you Dan

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but it's just your town needs you more than not your town needs you eat clear as much as the

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Lord might be sending somebody to a different country and there's season and time I'm here now

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totally we're doing more yeah exactly it's about obedience yeah exactly to God ultimately

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totally I think the way I always say and it was even just chat with some of our young adults at

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church that's not about it was when you're under 18 I think there's a there's a diet there's a

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dual dynamic of obeying your parents and then honoring and respecting yeah yeah when we become

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adults it's about honoring and respecting yeah um and we can obey God and honor and respect our

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parents at the same time even if they don't agree with it but when we're not an adult then you

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know this different paradigm so totally and like I had to learn that in my own story of like

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I'm not sure well just give a bit of context to this it was like when I was leaving university

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I felt from the Lord that I needed to leave but then my parents were like they did not agree with it

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at all and obviously it was quite conflicting in my heart because in the Bible it said to honor

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your parents I want to honor my my my mum and I want to do what she's telling me to do which is

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stay at university because she's had to sacrifice a lot for me to be there but then I'm having this

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pull at the same time to to leave from God and I remember the Lord saying um honoring your parent

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doesn't mean that you do everything that they say it means that you acknowledge and you you

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take into account you don't have to do it um you actually listen to me um so that that was like a

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a great learning moment for me but Dan I want to get into you like how did you come to faith

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obviously we you guys might not know obviously you guys don't know this but Dan and I actually

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cross paths we didn't even know we didn't even know and look at us now the word is so small

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when I was a teenager at high school Michelle's family ran a local great

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Chinese fishing shop kind of by place I don't know what you officially call it it's like yeah

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guys I'm half I'm half Hong Kong half Mongolian so my dad with his Hong Kong heritage obviously

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coming to the UK was like you know what I'm good at cooking foods I'm just going to open up

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and fish and chips I enjoyed it yeah you did I invested in your life you did you did on a regular

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best every Friday chips but at bad burger and beans come on now I don't even know if people really

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know what that a battered burger yeah flesh and the burger yeah you're batter okay there's nothing

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more to it yeah it sounds very exciting and then let's cover it more fat anyway go on go on

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yes I grew up in a Christian home my parents my parents' journey in life was very challenging

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so I have two brothers from my dad's first marriage no siblings from my mom's first marriage

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and my mom's side of the family in particular my grandma great heritage of missionaries

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with an amazing missions movement that went across the world and actually that's part of how

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my marina story into twines because my great uncle was with this movement he was a

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Portuguese speaking missionary did a number of African countries that were Portuguese speaking

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as a missionary then felt called to Brazil and then caught malaria or dengue or something to

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that degree was dying came back to the UK was on his death bed in his 50s in this was in the

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early 1960s and basically said to god if you heal me I'll do anything for you God healed him

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I don't think he believed in the supernatural in that moment but he did after that it's a big

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pray isn't it I'll do anything for you yeah and and then he said okay God what do I want me to do

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and God was like you need to go back to Brazil but not as a missionary but to sell

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missionary sending centers because this is 1964 that he did this and at this time there was a few

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churches sending missionaries out of Brazil but none of the mission's movements were training

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Brazilians for mission internationally or nationally in their nation they were lots of mission

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agencies were pouring in missionaries into Brazil which is obviously amazing and so he set up

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the first ever mission or mobilization training center went really well to train Brazilians to

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go out into the world to be missionaries in 1964 and then he passed on that model to other

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organizations for free so he didn't like copyright it or anything like that he just gave it away

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and that's why it's actually quite hard to trace like where it began but essentially he was part

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of the beginning of the modern day of Brazilian missionary movement that we now see Brazil is the

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biggest missionary sending nation per capita in the globe it's not the biggest but biggest per capita

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everywhere you go there is a Brazilian missioner exactly and so yeah that's actually part of how

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our story's into two and but yeah grew up in a Christian home when I was seven years old made a

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decision to follow Jesus my dad snuck me into a youth event I heard this guy preaching rebel

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hear the gospel yeah always always breaking into places that I shouldn't be basically

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story of my life or being places that I was I'm not meant to be nothing like illegal always like

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you know just to clarify I think that's just the story of my life is like that end up in places

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that I'm either too young or not qualified for or whatever and and God God's really kind and

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gracious to those things isn't he yeah kind of drifted a bit with God in high school first

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couple years nothing to do with your dad's fishing chip shop everything everything to do with

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everything to do with battered burger no and and then my parents decided to to move the church where

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we were in the town which is here to a town that you're growing up in and that was transformational

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for me removed to a church that had a really thriving youth group they left all their friends at

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the other church just to move for me yeah which I think makes a huge statement as a as a church leader

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now and I find it very difficult when I hear parents of like and they have teenagers or kids

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talking about moving churches for their reasons and minor theological issues and to be honest

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I'll just cause better spread I find it quite selfish because they're not seeing the impact on

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their kids and their and their teenage or whatever it might be whereas I saw my parents

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because they made a decision that was uncomfortable for them for the benefit of me and then

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basically Jesus wound me back into the church and I wasn't not going I was just drifting and messing

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around and doing what I wanted but nothing I don't reject to the idea of God I ain't rebelled

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against God but basically wound me back for for a friend and that was you know it was basically

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the first time I actually had a real friend in church and maybe for some people it wasn't because

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I was alone or by the way okay you're like oh you have a friend that's nice but I think actually

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a lot of the people that were sort of my friends in church or whatever they were more acquaintances

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and then I had my friends at school or friends in my street and that it was these two different

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worlds but now my best friend was actually in in church and we were doing life together share you

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know so powerful you know sharing our struggles everything the hope that you can do when your

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teenagers and then yeah God began to transform a life significant at that point got filled with

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the Holy Spirit when I was 15 just encountered him like I'd never encountered before I grew up in a

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context it was very much like we believe in God the Father, Son and Holy Scripture yeah yeah

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which has nothing wrong with and but reality was the Holy Spirit was we talked a bit about with

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Acts 2 and what happened on their Pentecost but we talked about God on earth quite a lot whereas

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we didn't talk about the Holy Spirit is God on earth and he's at work and I always believe God

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was at work and so that that was massive for me in between the age of 15 and 16 God spoke to me so

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much but I called to the UK and Europe to ministry to serve in youth and next generation particularly

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and yeah call to mission as well just that heartbeat and I found a lot of that in a year of

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mission that was happening that united tens of thousands of church across the nation called

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HOPO8 in 2008 so it's also old I was and my youth pastor you can lead that hold I was

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I was five at that point so I'm actually feeling a burn nope and yeah my youth pastor's like you

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have a go at this you get to lead this for our church and the other church and that was amazing

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and we did like community outreach so people come to know Jesus so people get baptized it was just

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awesome and God was so good in that in that whole season and in that time when I was 17 them

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got employed by my church of youth workers I'm 34 now so I've spent half of my life

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for doing ministry yeah yeah green is older just I was waiting

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he looked at me nothing nothing about your beauty I'm not sure it's like how was waiting for that

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so I said I sat as a missionary 20 I've done that for 17 years people can do the math yeah

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yeah there you go there you go well so yeah yeah step to and then became a full-time

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mystery when I was 18 come on now both of your missionaries let's go and I love how like

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as you can tell the dine out between these two is absolutely fantastic like these guys are

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best friends and I actually want to get into that oh sweet is here she's my best friend

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and my best friend at the time when I first said that marina was my best friend when we were

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kind of like falling in love or whatever he was like you did not discuss this with me

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I was like oh you can't you're still my best you're my best mate she's my best friend

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anyway that's so sweet and I mean I just want to get into that how did you guys become best

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friends and I love how like the Lord is kind of like like little godwinks just like you know you

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have in the background of your great-grandfather yeah great uncle yeah great uncle great uncle great uncle

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and I love how there's like a you know there's an intertwine between the two Brazil all of that

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missionary yeah shared passion for the younger generations serving them in mission and tell me more

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to them disciple them how did you guys the story do you want I was about to say we don't have

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many versions we have no we have one version everything I stood at the airport with who wants

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a visa no dragon that's crazy he was the first person I he was the first person I spoke to when

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I got into the UK because I came to work with the this organization and then was part of the

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team lead in it at the time yeah and by accident coincidence him and another guy that was from

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the organization picked me up from the airport the fun thing is at that time my English wasn't great

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when you meet someone from the north of England it's even harder to understand yeah so I

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sat in the back of the car and I pretended I was asleep so they would not talk to me because I

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couldn't understand what they say yeah but that's not how it's that no no no long story short I

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I'd hurt like we have paths across with the organization different things and basically I'd

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heard some lovely things about her and so I decided I want to find out a bit more about this

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I was gonna say girl but like you're a lady yeah so I definitely like pursue

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your way he followed me on Instagram which it sounds cringey weird but it was a big thing for the

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Rando so when he followed me why just to full name me because that in that moment I have to

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full name you and he didn't use to follow many people and it's specific all the girls and so

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when he followed me I was like I know what you on about and you know what I'm interested in yes

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I knew very clear yeah you were very resistant I was very resistant what not that I tried to

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that capture anything like you know and I think because like I said when I came to the UK first

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it was to do a knee and a half thing the program and in that time like I had to go back to

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Brazil to renew my visa and it was a long process and then I was even more sure like I'm finishing

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days I'm going back to Brazil and to be honest my pray and my say to God at that time was God I'm

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done with this mission life um I don't like I was doing that at that time was nearly 10 years

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of being a missionary without a salary like leaving every day faced by faith I can tell you

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immediately because that happens but I was just like do you know when you like I'm just tired

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God I just want to like leave a life where I know my income I know what's happening like I don't

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need to deal with all these things so I was very certain that I wanted to go back to Brazil

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and I was going to go back to uni and become a lawyer that was my plan um so when he started

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trying to talk to me I'm like I don't of course I don't think you start a relationship saying yes

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I will marry you but especially at the age I was and that the type like how my life was and

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everything I knew that I wouldn't start a relationship if I didn't think that would be a

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possibility of an image so I I personally don't believe that God has a person for you

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the idea of the one the one like I'm waiting for the one God has prepared I don't believe in that

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so I never look at it's okay if you do it's okay if you do you do so when don't start

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to trying to talk to me I was like I I don't think we can go on with this because I wouldn't start

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a relationship with you for then in a few months I'm like bye bye I'm going back to Brazil just

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have the relationship of the sake of it um so but we kept talking he didn't give up um come on

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pursuit yeah we we're getting closer so then when you go to the time I just said to him I need

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some time to to pray yeah because I said to him I don't I can't say yes to be a girlfriend I can

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say yes to move forward with this without hearing from God not if done was the person for me

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I wanted to hear from God if God wanted me to stay in the UK because I done said he had that

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that time a very clear calling to the UK and to Europe um so I knew that saying yes to him

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if ended up in marriage it would be living in the UK you stay in here um and I said to him I

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want to pray to hear that from God because I know that living my life behind the Brazil and making

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life here will be I will have like little moments you miss family you miss your culture you miss

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your food like there is those moments close to challenges of life yeah and I I wanted to hear from

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God that God wanted to stay me to stay in the UK because I said to them when those moments come

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you will never be between me and you I'll never resent you for all those things

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you will be between me and God so I never wanted the resentment of those things to be

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a block in our marriage in our relationship and it's not that it is with God but when it comes

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I never look at him like I stay because of you like I did is no I wanted to hear from God

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that's incredible um wow so that was like that is how we met and that's how it went so I took

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some time to pray and I really felt God saying you're not done like mission is your life and that's

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what I would say we're family omission um and the next step sees here it's staying so yeah and

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just as a side note to that I think this idea of like life omission or being a family omission

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it's not about like that looks different for everyone yeah yeah like I think we believe that

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you know in the missy or day that this idea of God has been omissions to start of time I mean

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looking at it from a the narrative arc of the Bible even like Genesis 1 verse 2 what does God do

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he fills dark space with light yeah and so that my dead simple because I'm a very simple person is

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what is the mission of God what is the missy or day of God is to bring his light love and

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life to every dark space and dark place and so how do we see that in everyone's life because it's

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not you know the answer to everyone isn't just to become a full time mission with an organization

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it's about living on mission where you are loving the people that you live on your street how do we

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journey with those people how do we come together that's for us whatever we do with connected to

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the way or with next move or whatever we do for us is always about being planted locally yeah

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in our local church community like any if you know if people that listen to this engagement

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aren't connecting to our church community I think it's really important because the reality is this

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this kind of stuff this kind of conversation podcast can help grow faith and help graph it but

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ultimately true discipleship life on life journey with someone else who can say what Paul said

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which my version is follow me as I try and follow Christ yeah Paul says follow me or he says

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imitate Christ follow me as I try and imitate Christ maybe because I don't I don't feel as bold as

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Paul and not the obviously Paul was great um but like to actually do that and then ultimately like

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what's you know it's great in some ways if we do what we do in Europe and do other things

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Greg are great but if like we don't know our neighbors if we're not seeing them take steps towards

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Jesus and we're not in charge of their decisions but actually loving them being able to share the

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gospel with them in different ways journeying in challenges with them in the darkest moments in life

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and all the non-Christian friends who were journeying with through whatever we do in our local

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context then we're not really living life on mission yeah we're just doing some stuff for

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organization or movement or whatever it is and so just what to add that I think for me in our

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relationship I had six questions which I would say five are good for anyone and one was bespoke

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for me I only had one you had one what was yours my question was I never prayed for any like a

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person or these is that my only request to God is God I want to marry someone who loves you more

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than they love me because if I'm someone who loves you more than they love me I'm set I know

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there will ever come or ever challenge or ever need to face God will be first so that was my

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only question mine were which he had a few times which anyone that knows me knows I have a lot of

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questions yeah so my six questions were does she go with me do I love her which I'll see come over

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time and we're going in the same direction are you like a kind of past journey together are we

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stronger together and then the most important one which links to marinas which is does she love me

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more sorry does she love Jesus more than she loves me and then mass and I would say they're good

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for anyone because I got them from other people I can learn them got that wisdom from other people

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and then my other one was is she a leader which I really feel like is bespoke to me and

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where I felt cold and it depends what you think about leadership I think everyone's got influence

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everyone can lead but I think just that natural thing of felt cold to lead together and yeah

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and that's a question like some people ask is this person creative does this yeah is it more

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bespoke yeah bespoke question so good and like I think it's so it's so evident to see in your

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marriage now that those priorities that you guys had of like there's this person love Jesus more

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than me is like so evident in both of your lives like and that's that's what's kind of like

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spearhead like spearheads your family like you follow Jesus together and I just wanted to like

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ask since you guys are family on missions like how have you guys seen the Lord like provide

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in times of where you like need or you know the Lord sending you somewhere but then you kind of

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not knowing like do you have any stories of that I think I just want to comment first is that

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the idea of provision sometimes we limit to resource yeah but actually the older I think we've

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got the more we've realized there's multiple types of provision sometimes our greatest poverty

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is time yeah you know actually not not to say finance or yeah yeah if God blesses more finance

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then yeah great we can be a blessing to more people excellent and in our generosity but also

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in what we do fine but I think if we just limit it to that yeah and I've got stories where cars

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died and I didn't have a money for another one and literally someone rang up and said someone's

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giving away a car do you need it literally within half an hour of a car dying and crazy stuff

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by that but you've got some pretty wild stories yeah I think my like the one I always said because

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it was for me it was like the confirmation of what God was calling me intramission it was like I

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said when I went intramission I left my job I whatever money I had saving I paid like a field

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things that I needed to pay so I didn't have any left and my church was like supportive and what

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I was doing but wasn't financially supportive so and I was leaving like a shared accommodation

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with another few friends and the first month when we got to the day that we would sit down and see

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oh this is how much everyone needs to give this month we we would do that in the evening then

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on the next day the the friend who started it would collect the money and we did that and I had a

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total of zero in my account and I remember that that night we we did it I didn't say to anyone

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because I don't want to you guys to think I'm just living here now I can't pay but then I went

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into my room and I started praying and in that moment was it was not that I doubted that God had

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called me but I my prayer was such a knownest and I remember like boiling my eyes out and I said

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to God I said God I really believe you called me and if you called me I really believe you're going

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to provide yeah and I said to God God I don't I'm not testing you because I don't like the idea

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and I don't want to test you but these for me now is a confirmation because if you don't provide

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I can't do what I'm doing and then maybe what I heard was just my heart it was just me it was just

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my good idea so I said just I remember that night I literally I said to God God I really need you

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to come through here and then on the next day I got up got ready to go to to work to the project

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and a friend of mine asked me to book to borrow one of my books that I had not read or

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touched it for ages so I look for the book I'm looking for it and then I find a book and when I

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opened the book inside of that book was exactly the amount I needed what the money in the book

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in like do you know when you get in Brazil cash is not really plastic it's like a paper thing

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so it was like do you know when you get it that you can even smell how yeah it just came out

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of the bank it felt and it was exactly the amount I needed it was like no a pound if you say

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pound more or pound less it was exactly the same amount that I needed to pay the bills at that

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moment and in that moment for me I felt it was like it was not God knew my heart I wasn't testing

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him was God saying to me I've called into this if I've called you I will provide if you ask me

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doing all these years I did 14 years of ministry without having a salary without being paid

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did I have a lot no did I lack anything never like I had times where I went to church and I had the

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money to pay for my birth to go back home and I didn't even know how I was going to get to work

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the following day and God telling me I want you to get this money and give to someone else

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and mean like God you crazy like I need this money to go to work tomorrow and God kept saying kept

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nudging me and I went and I gave the money and went to the bus stop without money to go home

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not knowing what I was going to do someone stops the can say hey I was looking for you a friend

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from church and I was like oh and I thought this person gonna give me a lift home at least

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and then they give me an envelope say I was looking for you God really told me to give you days

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and it was more than 10 times more than I had given and like whoa so it was 14 years I came to the UK

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if you ask me until to this day when I look back how did I pay tickets how did I do it I don't know

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I went to university all that in those 14 years one of the things I think then I always had

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it as well like a principle that I had seen from a very young and even when going to ministry was

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I never have too literal that I cannot give so whatever I had I was always willing to give

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and I wanted to give because sometimes we wait until we have a lot to be willing to give

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and it's specifically when you're in young age if you're in university and all that like you

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a lot a lot of the times you don't have much and then we hold on to that and there's a

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beauty and there's power when you say God I'm surrendering it to you I don't have much from the

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little I have I still know I can give and I don't think we give and we don't give to get anything

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back from God but I do believe we serve a God who is faithful well anybody in our journey with

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next move now we started it from zero and in many times praying and like my worry was we have a

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child now how do we do and God's answer to me when I prayed about that was do you think you love

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your child more than I do do you think you care for her more than I do and it was like a slap on

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my face and I just in that day I just said it was literally I felt God reminding me of all the

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miracles I lived with God and God kind of saying to me you're trying to get on the way and I just on

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that day we were praying for next move and when I said you should and I was like crying because

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when you go into mission and doing what we're doing we choose to do this like how a child doesn't

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but I said to God that day God I never ever want to get on the way between you and her

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so if grace needs to leave through miracles to strengthen her relationship with God

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let it be I just never want to get on the way and God has provided for us

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from before we are together God is to provide you this day and I never had much but I've never

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lacked yeah I mean yeah for us it's about living the Matthew 633 seek first the kingdom of God

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principle of seek first kingdom God above all else and he'll provide everything that you need

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yeah and I think sometimes that need is warped and so sometimes some people I think particularly

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in British culture there's a much more of a poverty gospel right sometimes of like to poverty

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mentality and then in other parts of the world they matter more of a prosperity gospel but ultimately

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I think God draws into middle which is a provision gospel John 316 is a provision you know Jesus

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is the ultimate picture of provision gospel he is the sacrificial lamb on the cross yeah he is the

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provision that the world needed and so that is the example God's God's riches at Christ expense

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you know poured out for us all of that but then that's the principle that we live out of and yeah

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I think just to like double down on what you're saying like I'm one point I think I had 120 pounds

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income a month like when I was living as a missionary like full time how do you live on that

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it was a while ago okay God provided but I knew I needed to give 15 pounds of that a month

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so I practiced generosity to practice my giving my timing yeah because if I can't do it then why

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would I do it when I have 1,200 pounds of one for whatever the amount is yeah oh when if we are

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in a place where we say I'll give one a half more we'll never do it yeah and it's the thing is

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what whilst you guys are speaking just reminded me of the verse in Bible where it says consider the

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birds of the air they don't store away in bombs yeah yeah I still take care of them how much more

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do I take care of you and the Lord like I just love how the Lord works in our lives like he

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he builds faith in us and he's like no actually I I can stretch you and I can show you how good I am

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how faithful I am I care for your needs like all of your needs more than you actually do and like

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even you talking about you know your daughter and how you're like your hearts are like actually I

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like it's her she's an individual person as well and Lord loves her as a daughter like separate from

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you guys and he loves her more than you and like I think that's just goes to show your hearts are

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so surrendered to the Lord where you're like actually I don't want to get in a way of her

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relationship with you so if it takes miracles to work in her life to for her to go pursue

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yes it's like for me it was the the thing of I can see my faith and how I trust in God now like

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sometimes we look into the finances and I'm like oh we need God to come through and my answer is

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always has he never but God has always come through so good but it was because of the

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small steps I took like we we have lived big miracles but there were small steps of obedience

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so good I will trust you yeah it's not easy it's not comfortable but I will trust you so then when

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we look at bigger picture now that technically would worry us more my mind always go God has always

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provided he never let us like anything so why would he stop now he won't so we keep going

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keep obeying and trusting that he will come through but he started with the 18 the 20 years old

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who said the first yes to God and I think that's like the beauty of when you at that age yeah

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like be brave if you hear from God yeah jealous going obedience because there is what God wants from

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us is the surrender and to say God I'm surrendering everything yeah but as at that time and I'm

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surrendering my life to you but I think it's what you're painting there is also a picture of a

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continual obedience yeah I think sometimes we think sometimes things do get over complicated

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and I'm a simple person it says like how do we just keep it simple how do I just keep saying yes

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Lord keep yielding to God keep saying yes to what he's up to and how can we be part of it and knowing

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that he'll provide he's not he's brought us this far and I think it's framed around the kind of

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questions that we ask because I think sometimes as things get more complex and we start to ask like

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different questions which can kind of lead us off the path slightly but ultimately that's

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that's where it's come back down to really you know if we if we have we have we're following in

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his faithfulness these the ultimate faithful yeah I mean you're just saying just they're like

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asking the wrong questions what would you say are the right questions to be asking the Lord

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I think ultimately we all as humans have two main questions in life who are we and why are we here

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it's according to Google's the most asked question which one who am I and what am I what am I here

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today which when you buy the identity purpose identity in purpose yeah so they say identity in

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purpose question in some ways I think and I know like people listen to his podcast all over the

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world but I think different parts of the world and different parts of a church in the world answer

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those questions differently okay and also probably more strongly in a good way and how it I think

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in the Northwest hemisphere where we sit right now so at North American Europe we're quite good

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on the who are my identity get your identity in Christ you know even in a very mixed up world where

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people are trying to put other things higher up in the identity you know like you know whatever it

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might be about you is if you're defining factor well you know we'd simply want to say well no

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Jesus is a number one identifying factor and everything else submits to that and if that's what

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society did then we'd probably be in a better place and also that frames how we prioritize because

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sometimes we talk about priorities and we're like well is it is it Jesus then church then work

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then family or or relationships or it's Jesus first and everything so it's Jesus first in church

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Jesus first in my work Jesus first in my family Jesus first in our marriage Jesus first in my

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parenthood it's just Jesus first and everything it's it's horizontal not vertical and

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and then the other question of like well why am I here like so yeah why am I here like the

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purpose question and what am I here to do and we wrestle with that over time and I think to be honest

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we get wrapped up in sometimes the role that we have in a moment or or even sometimes how maybe

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God leads and guides us which come to in a minute but ultimately I think the idea of like God's

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got a theme for us like one thing what is like the thing he's put us on the planet to do not

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for like Michelle I want you to present the way podcast and do stuff for the way yes that's you

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being effective in the season for the kingdom of God but is that your life call no I don't believe

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so for us it's shared by a kingdom question which is what is the most effective thing I can do

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to advance the kingdom of God and that's framed then in our theme like and I think I wrestle with

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that for years like God what have you put us on the planet to do we then hone that together if

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actually we believe God's put us on the planet to raise leaders and be missional that's our

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joint theme and then my wing on my lens is unity and marina's lens is justice and that's how we come

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at those things together but that is our theme together and we discovered that together and I

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asking that question but asking this the main question we're asking life now is in every step

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in everything we're going to do is what is the most effective thing we can do because then we

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are very deserves to get there but if it's an individual for the kingdom of God right now yeah

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and it will look different for everyone yeah but I think that is like one of the questions that

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has helped us shape what we do what we do with our time what we do with our money like how we

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raise our child yeah how we are has a family um just trying to find the answer for that question

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yeah what's the most effective effective thing we can do for the kingdom of God and I also think

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in our current Christian culture in this part of the world we end up chasing after sometimes

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we end up chasing after things that take us away from this kind of question yeah because really

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that question anchors us when God was calling us out into Europe in this past season he was very

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clear that we should stay living in Burnley and stay doing what we're doing with life church and

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that was super clear those were still part of the answer to what is the most effective thing we

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can do to advance the kingdom of God very often probably like two or three things become distractions

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number one our feelings or our fear like God might be saying this but we need more than feeling

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we need more than just like like or feel like a walk up his mind so I feel like

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or then also other opportunities we don't want to be opportunistic you know but then also just like

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I would call it almost like win chasing it's almost like the Holy Spirit this idea of the

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Rue act the wind of God he's the wild goose as the Celtics would say we want to follow after him

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in our context but I also know plenty of Christians if I can shoot straight that run after wherever

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God might be moving the most we know what he'll never if you start running round and going to

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different places and like trying to live in different places or follow after like other things

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that are happening then how how do you stay put where you are to commit to what God's called you

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to you know what I mean yeah and so I think that's sometimes whereas that this kind of kingdom

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question anchors us in what God said and stops us from chasing after those things and I think the

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other thing how that helps us is that's shifted then how we hear from God and how things change

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I think we we get those prophetic nudges images depends how God speaks to us you know in through

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scripture different we would call them nudges that different nudges from people and we get a few of

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those then we come to our kingdom question we root back in that God are you changing the answer

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this question this season in what we should be doing how we spend our time and then from there

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more prophetic confirmation through scripture and people and other things and then the opportunities

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then the open doors because the reality is there's way more open doors and opportunities than there

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is people to do them particularly in our part of the world we'll sit right now in the kingdom of God

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because people have missed it or people haven't taken it or wherever it might be and I also think

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if we operate in a mindset that God's on an like almost like an A to B plan sometimes that's

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unhelpful it's like God just watch the next step in a scripture says in Psalms that you God's

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he well he and his word is a lump to our feet and a right to our path yeah so I do think God

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illuminates right in front of us so we're not going to fall over yeah a lump to our feet but then

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a right to our path that's kind of feels far in the distance that's like you know God where are

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you leading guiding us does he always show us the in between does he show us how he's going to get

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there no and I don't see no you don't see it in scripture either how people end up on

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it's not straight A to B and I think sometimes we spend a lot of time going God what's the next

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thing rather than what's the next step God what's the next step of faith from us I need to take

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versus like people always after the next thing and when we're after the next thing we've been

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opportunistic or we don't finish well what we're doing or we get distracted and we're not

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able to be faithful with what God's putting our hand and I think particularly in our world where

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we live in this part of the world is what I mean it's very easy to be distracted by many many

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opportunities right well well I just wanted to ask like could you double down on that could you

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encourage like the people listening to to do that because I think it's actually a really hard

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thing to do especially like you're saying in this society in this day and age in this side of

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the world people are opportunistic people are like especially the people around us that might not

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believe in Jesus where like being influenced by them to to some degree yeah how can I be set

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apart and how like you know do you do what I'm trying to ask yeah I think two kind of simple

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things one of them is called you love the word simple yeah I like the word simple well Picasso

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said simplicity is the ultimate sophistication anyway and is number one being part of some

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in bigger yeah so like I think it's great we have very entrepreneurial spirit we like to pioneer

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we like to have a go at stuff but when you get to be part of some in bigger like we get to with

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next move yes we've pioneered the next move community in Europe yes we're pioneering a charity

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and those things but we get to be part of a global thing if you can be part of a bigger umbrella

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whatever that is like your local church or part of some in bigger it's actually a really healthy

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place to be like because actually then you're not the book doesn't stop with you on everything you're

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not the answer to everything I think we easy get into a Messiah complex or a Maverick complex when

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we're constantly when we crave to be on our own because being an entrepreneur a pioneer doesn't

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necessarily mean we have to do our own thing all the time outside of everything right I mean

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the other thing is keeping it simple our story is quite simple like that God what's the one

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thing he put us on the planet to do and that kingdom question frames it yeah listening prophetically

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and listening and sensing what God is saying but that kingdom question being the anchor keeping it simple

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yeah and I think a good way to do that is be faithful to how do I put it like because the two

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questions who I am or am I here to do I think a lot of the times we try to figure out who we are

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by chasing things to do that will shape who we are and it should be the other way around so be

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faithful to who God created you to be right if you don't know that yet instead of chasing after

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opportunity of opportunity chase after God who you created me to be that is the most important

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question you can answer first is who has got put me on the planet to be what like who am I God

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who am I like wrestle with God to have the answer for that question like for me like being a leader

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was something that I knew God has put in my heart like fighting for justice like given voice

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that was something that God put in my heart so that then shapes me to say yes or no to the

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opportunities that come on my way so I think it's be faithful but radical faithfulness to God who

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God created you to be and what he's calling you to do is controversial right now right people

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want the biggest and the best opportunity that they see but is that what God called you to do

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so I think wrestle first with who am I figure it out your identity in Christ and then the

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opportunities that you're going to say yes to will come after that instead of doing should then

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being yeah so good yeah now that's great and I think it matters who is in our life yeah what are

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our rhythms like who's speaking into us who are our peers so like whether you call that person

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speaking into you like your pastor your mentor whatever it might be mother's fathers figures who

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are our peers I mean who are we flowing into who are we investing in whether it might as one

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might be mentoring them or just who are we encouraging yeah how are we multiplying

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ourselves biblical principle would be like Barnabas Paul Timothy yeah we like talk about Paul a lot

578
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he wrote a lot of the new testament amazing amazing there is no Paul without Barnabas simple us

579
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right yeah Barnabas didn't stand up before the before the leaders before the apostles and say I

580
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vouch for this guy right I believe that God has changed and transformed his life from Saul to Paul

581
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then literally there is no Paul yeah and so Barnabas encouraged him vested and so we all have to

582
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have Barnabas in our life whether it's mentors or voices but there's also extremes because if we

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have only one Barnabas in our life then they become our Messiah they become too much like Jesus in

584
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our life it's one voice one anger on everything if we have too many we become indecisive and almost

585
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like we don't know which wisdom to pull from and then when you drop down to kind of the pole level

586
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and the peers if we only have one friend then again the lens through life and how we hold each

587
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of accountable we become our own bubble sometimes whereas if we've got too many friends then who are

588
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we actually going deep with yeah and then when it comes to those we invest in and encourage that

589
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the Timothy's again if we've just got one then like yeah you got to start somewhere but as in it's

590
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just like this person it can be a bit intense you know almost we're starting a cult and they're my

591
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follower or something and I've got to be careful with that but then also if we've got too many people

592
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that actually we're not giving them any depth investment yeah and really we just want a group

593
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piece or like a set of followers or something like we you know just so it's like how many fans can

594
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I gather you know so I think it's just that journey in that and having these kind of right levels

595
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of relationship in our life a Barnabas pulls Timothy's like does does yeah does encourages those peers

596
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those are also investing in so this helps and and and not just people that agree with us but also

597
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people that are going to pull us back to what did God say last who are the people that are going

598
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to challenge and say yeah great that you feel that way but like what's God actually said yeah show

599
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me in scripture show me the prophetic words watch your answer to your kingdom question yeah um those

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the kind of people who want our life and ultimately I would also say like it's never too early to start

601
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investing others because a lot of people think I can't invest anyone till like 50 and I've got

602
01:00:35.120 --> 01:00:39.760
loads of wisdom no you just need to be a few steps ahead of someone else I first started mentoring

603
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people and I was 18 and they were 15 16 14 in the youth group I was I was serving in and yeah so

604
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it we can all start somewhere you know just be a few steps ahead and see how God's leading us

605
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and encouraging them and and also what are we learning for those that are younger than us like I'm

606
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constantly learning from people like you and not just like cool words to say but um but like actually

607
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just making sure it's not just about learning from those that are older there's no slightly

608
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head of us on their journey yeah then I mean that's a super helpful framework like we need to be

609
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poured into but we also should be pouring onto other people I mean I've even learned it from my

610
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own experience that like when you pour into other people you're learning a lot yourself trying to

611
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you know read up make sure that you're also like growing um but guys thank you so much for sharing

612
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your heart I feel personally really stirred and I hope you guys also feel the same um get connected

613
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into a local community your church and your local town need you um to share the gospel of

614
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Jesus because there's also people who don't know um him so thank you guys so much for stirring

615
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us and encouraging us with your wisdom but also your heart for the Lord and we'll see you guys

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in the next episode bye