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Trump threw the election and then they're after said that

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Canada should honestly become our 51st state

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Which is never gonna happen

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Pierre Pollyov, leader of his majesty's loyal opposition

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There's a fact significant probability that you could be Canada's next leader

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And your team said I can ask you whatever I want

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Okay, so it appears that the United States have made the decision to kind of go at a loan in the world

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And that is a very big strategic mistake

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In Canada's case, we have everything the United States needs if they treat us like a friend

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So for example, we have the fourth biggest supply of oil

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And if you look at the leading five, which of these countries do you think the United States can most rely on?

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And I'm looking at the third valve there in the road around

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Has Trump taken the right course of action?

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The Iranian government has been extremely hostile and very dangerous to Canada

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They are the leading world sponsor of terrorism

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And there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason that they are enriching uranium

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Is for the purpose of developing a weapon

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And there's a far greater risk to them having a nuclear weapon than even North Korea

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So the initial actions were definitely necessary

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But how do you think this plays out?

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And if Trump had called you and asked fuel support, would you have given it?

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Well, let's put it this way

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What is the thing that you most concerned about

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We're overtaxing our population

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We're punishing initiative

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We have 20,000 immigrant doctors who can't work in medicine

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Wages have been destroyed

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Young people can't start a family in this economy

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And that is why the working class across the Western world is so angry

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The good news is that we can reverse all of that

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And the other thing that I actually was really keen to talk about is this

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Wow

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I can see the emotion in your face

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Yeah, it's still there

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Yeah, I hadn't thought about that in a while

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Pia, Polly Eve, leader of his majesty's loyal opposition

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There is so much I want to talk to you about

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I think you have a truly fascinating formative childhood

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One of which I've really seldom seen on this show

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Especially when the person rises so high in their political ambitions

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But I think the most appropriate thing to start with

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Because it's just front of mind for me at the moment

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Is what the hell is going on in the world

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And I mean, that's genuinely, I'm up all night

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Trying to figure out if we're on the verge of world

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We're three

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What's going on with all these alliances we used to have

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What is going on in the world

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The history of, it starts really in the post-war period

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With the massive increase in the power

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And the wealth of the United States

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They unleashed the capitalist system

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They effectively buried the Soviet Union

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Just by out-hustling, out-producing

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And out-out-growing

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Until the Soviet Union collapsed

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And then a new authoritarian power

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Snuck up on the United States

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China went from having 80% of its population

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Living on one less than a dollar a day

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To being the second biggest economy in the world

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And at the same time

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The American working class has been thoroughly screwed over

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By relentless money printing

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That has inflated their cost of living

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While also inflating the wealth of a small group of elites

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And I think this resulted in a major pushback

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Now some of that was justified

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That pushback is justified

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But I also think some of it is very much unjustified

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Terrifying countries like Canada

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Makes no sense

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If you're the United States, you should want more friends

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More trade with those friends

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And that's one of the reasons why I've been touring the United States

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To make the case for Canada

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And to remind our American friends

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That they are stronger working with countries like Canada

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And the United Kingdom

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Than they are pushing those natural allies away

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It appears that

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The United States have made the decision to kind of go at a loan in the world

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I mean, I was at Davos and I saw

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What Trump said

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I saw a variety of things in the lead up to there talking about

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Taking Greenland, turning Canada into one of the United States

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Fifty first states

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So what he said? Fifty first state

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That's never going to happen

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It seems to be very adversarial

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And through my childhood

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And through my adulthood

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And over the last 30 years

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The US has always been the strong ally

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Not an individualistic isolated force in the world

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What's what's going on here?

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I think that is a very big strategic mistake

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I think America would be better off working with

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The traditional western alliance that helped win the Cold War

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We had a very big manus

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It's a nuclear armed Soviet Union that was expansionary

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Its empire was pushing eastward into Europe

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And the response of the United States was to build a strong NATO alliance

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And then to unleash its economy to just out produce the Soviets and bring them to their needs

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In Canada's case, we have everything the United States needs

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If they treat us like a friend

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We have the fourth biggest supply of oil

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You can see it, that's right

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We could maybe pull that over here

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This is the oil reserves by country

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As you can see, Canada is number four

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And after us is Iraq and then the United States

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But if you look at the leading five

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Which of these countries do you think the United States can most rely on?

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Is it Venezuela, Saudi Arabia, Iran, or Iraq?

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No, it's Canada

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It works very well with American refineries

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And we sell it to the United States at enormous price discount

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Furthermore, we could build up an enormous reserve of this oil

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So that if God forbid, the Strait of Hormuz were to be closed

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Just a random example

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You're from the American America's friends in neighboring Canada

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Would have a couple hundred millions Bill of barrels

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That are already produced and ready for use if it's needed

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So this is really a kind of rocket fuel for the Canadian economy

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But it's strategically important for our American friends

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We could cooperate better on this if we got a friendly posture

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And a fully terra-free trade arrangement with the US

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What's interesting when I look at these vials of oil that we have on the table

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And I see that Venezuela is number one, Saudi Arabia is number two, Iran, Canada, Iraq

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And then the US is a lot of these countries that have a lot of oil

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Are in conflict with the United States right now

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That's right

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And now as I look at this it seems like I understand why

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So Venezuela, I mean Trump just flew in and took the leader of Venezuela and his wife out of bed

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And sees the country Iran, the US will with Iran now

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Iraq, I mean that's a story already

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And Canada has been the other one whether it's been incredibly adversarial over the last couple of months

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Is this just all about oil?

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Frankly, we don't really understand what the dispute with Canada is about

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Because we've been a very good and friendly partner to the United States ever since

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The early 1800s before we even formed as a confederation

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What I would say to Americans though is

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You shouldn't have to worry about all of these countries

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If you are working collaboratively with Canada

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And you're trading freely with a separate country to the north

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Then you will not be bound by what happens in these other less stable

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And arguably more hostile countries

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What I believe we as Canadians need to do is use our natural resources

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As leverage to get what we want from this administration and future ones

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What we want is tariff-free trade for our steel

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aluminum, lumber and automobiles

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And in exchange for that we can produce more oil and sell more of it at better prices to the United States of America

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Oil is only one part of it

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There's also the strategic minerals that are necessary for

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God forbid modern warfare and we have those as well

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We are a resource superpower and I want to leverage that to get what we want from the US and from other nations

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I'm looking at the third valve there in the row Iran

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Has Trump taken the right course of action in

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Bombing Iran in the way that he has and the other question that's I think everyone's mind is like

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How'd you get out of this is is this going to end well

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The Iranian government has been extremely hostile and very dangerous to Canada

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They killed 55 Canadian citizens and 30 permanent residents by shooting a civilian aircraft out of the sky

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PS752

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For reasons we still do not understand and with no explanation whatsoever

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They have unleashed agents into our communities and streets to harass the Jewish and Persian communities of Canada

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And they are the leading world sponsor of terrorism

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It it is absolutely unacceptable for the Iranian government to ever acquire nuclear weapons

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And there's no doubt in my mind that the only reason that they are enriching uranium is for

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Marshall purposes. There's no need to enrich it to the degree they have

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In order just to have nuclear power plants. I have no doubt that they were doing it for

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The purpose of developing a weapon

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And if that were to happen

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It could be catastrophic for neighboring countries

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But also for far away lands if given the ability to develop a long-range missile. So

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We my view in the view of the Canadian government is that the Iranian government cannot be allowed to develop nuclear weapons

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And any action to stop them from doing that is necessary for world peace

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Was this action necessary to stop that and you'll view

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I think that the initial actions were definitely necessary particularly the bombings four or five months

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ago to target the nuclear development sites

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But I think any actions to degrade their nuclear capabilities prevent them from ever achieving them

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Is favorable and I hope that it will weaken the regime enough for the people to overtake it

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And claim control of their country

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It doesn't look like that's the case

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I think they've appointed the son of the iatola to lead the country now

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And they seem to be firing everybody in the region

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There was some reports that they might have ballistic missiles that could reach Europe as well

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Yes, and this is what we have to stop. I mean

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The idea that they are they're carrying out this aggression simply because they've been attacked

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Is false they would have eventually carried it other question is when and with what means

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And if we had just sort of slept and waited we would have ended up with a catastrophe

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This is different than North Korea North Korea was allowed to get nuclear weapons

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But they don't have the same celestial

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fundamentalist ideology there

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Ultimately the regime in North Korea is interested in its own survival and

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It's power

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The regime in terran has a theocratic dream if they believe that there's an after life in which they could be

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rewarded for carrying out mass destruction

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on

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What they call the infidels they don't respond to deterrence the same way that pyeongyang in in North Korea would

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There's a far greater risk to them having a nuclear weapon

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Then then even having that in in a communist totalitarian state like North Korea

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But for Canada

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In this environment our superpower is again our resources

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And that's why it has been one of my major obsessions to unblock our resources get them to tide water

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accumulate them in a strategic reserve

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That would allow us to really flex our energy muscles in environments like this and also reduce dependence on regime like

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Iran like Saudi Arabia like Venezuela

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If Trump had called you and asked for your support

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Had you been

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leading the government of Canada

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Would you have given the support this is the big conversation at the moment in the UK because Kirstama was reluctant to send troops originally

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And it seems to have irks trump in a interesting way

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So our prime minister did support the attack and I agreed with prime minister karni on that point

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That is distinct from contributing Canadian soldiers or sailors and air crew

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I'd not proposing that we send ground troops to Iran

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And we are not in a position right now to supply a lot of the demands that this conflict would require

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It depends on what they ask for

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Before we get an answer from Canada on what what it is that we can provide you or someone that knows a lot about history

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You seem to know a lot about a lot frankly

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And I don't know a lot about a lot so when you think through how this could go

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It doesn't appear that the Iranians are going to

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Roll over very easily the the Iranian leadership are going to roll over very easily

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Trump doesn't appear to be a man that likes taking hits to his ego

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So it doesn't appear that he's just going to pull out

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And let you know things unravel

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And then the third option one would say is that they double down even further and send troops to the region

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What how do you think this plays out based on everything that you know about both history about Trump and from your pattern recognition

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Well, it could go a variety of ways remember the first Persian Gulf War George Herbert Walker Bush

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Decided that he had downgraded and penalized Saddam Hussein enough for the invasion of Kuwait

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He declared victory and he moved on and ultimately that left a lot of stability in the region

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His son then went and and pursued a full

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Out-and-out regime change and that was a much longer enterprise

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The the president will have to decide which of those two bushes he uses as a model

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But I think that the important thing is to know what the objective is for me the objective has to be to make sure that the Iranian government never gets

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Or even short and medium-range to Israel for that matter

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Beyond that, I think it's up to the Iranian people

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To take advantage of the weakness of the regime and rise up and reclaim their

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They will tell you that there's almost no support for the regime among the people of Iran

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They need to find a way to overturn the regime

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And that would that would give a lot of comfort and peace to the rest of the world

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But it will also give democracy to a deserving people. What would you do if you're a Trump?

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That's a good question

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Like I said, I would focus on the core objective of making sure that there's not a nuclear armed

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Without getting involved in a permanent quagmire

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So everything's been bombed now for those been bombed

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So is this the time to pull out then?

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I think it all depends on the intelligence they have about the nuclear capacity

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That is the hinge point we cannot allow a nuclear-powered

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Iranian military that is what they need to determine

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For me at the moment, it looks a little bit like it's a little bit lose-lose for Trump

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In an interesting way

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And I think this is also reflecting the fact that nobody really has a perfect answer for what to do next

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Because this all just trade-offs

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That's right here's

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That's right. I mean that's what the great

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And it's hitting the the price of gas at a pumps in a big way

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A way that concerns you or

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Well, it's funny you should ask because it shouldn't have to concern Canadians

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Our enormous supply of oil should actually insulate us from it

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Normally what what used to happen in Canada is when the global price of oil rose

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Our dollar would rise with it because people would be buying more of our oil which meant they had to first buy our dollar

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A more powerful Canadian dollar meant that we had more buying power for internationally priced commodities like oil and food

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So we used to be protected from international oil price increases

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In a way that we're not anymore because our sector is no longer as strong and as big as it was as a share of our economy

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And so what I want to do is unleash oil production in Canada

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bureaucracy the government gatekeepers get rid of industrial carbon taxes and have a stronger dollar

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That makes life more affordable and much more geostrategic power in the world

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There's a quite significant probability that you could be Canada's next leader

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And for you to achieve all those things you've just described you'll need to have, you know, productive relationship with the United States

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If all follows the law won't be able to be elected till

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Probably be a different leader by the time that you were in power

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Although I know that you know, there could be a vote of no confidence which mean that you could get into power earlier

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Your relationship with Trump

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Good bad and different I've never met him never met him

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I don't want him I've never spoken to him. No, I don't have no

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I've made the decision that we have one prime minister at a time and because we are negotiating

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A trade deal it's more like a review of our existing deal

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I don't want our side as Canadians to be divided even though I obviously disagree with my prime minister on a whole range of policy issues

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I don't want to

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undermine in any way the the Canadian side of the bargaining table

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I would only do that kind of conversation with a teamwork with the current government

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But what I've said is that our approach vis-a-vis Trump

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Should be to focus on what we can control

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So why not focus on what what we can do at home

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Unlock our resources

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Build up a strategic reserve of minerals that are

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Important to our American friends but also to our other allies

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A clear the way to export more goods to overseas markets

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Build alliances with the United Kingdom

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New Zealand Australia

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To diversify and become more self-sufficient. You keep using this word unlock. Yes clear the way. Yes

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What are you referring to when you say clear the way and unlock

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Removing bureaucratic obstacles the the resources we have are massively profitable for the private sector

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To mine refine store and ship as long as they can get the permits and the low enough taxes to do it

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So we need to remove those obstacles so that it now becomes

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possible for private investment not subsidized by government no handouts for business

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But private investment to unlock and unlock those resources. You're just saying that you don't want to get in the way of

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Of Mark Connie

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Well, I don't want to get in the way of negotiations with a foreign country

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I obviously have my job is to

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To be his opposition in the House of Commons on domestic issues and even on international issues

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But not to do so in a way that undermines the national interest

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A lot of countries aren't like that. It was interesting because you're on gerogon's shirt. It's got a global audience

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Yes, so you know if you talk about him and you're talking about him all over the world

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And you said you wouldn't criticize

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The leader of your position unless you were in Canada

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But you know that you know you're reaching everybody everywhere all the time

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No, that's true. It's true

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But I just think it's a it's a good principle to follow particularly during a negotiation

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That's happening across the border in that country like you know

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I think it would be a little different if we were in normal times and there was no trade dispute

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Or if we were in a country with which we have no particular contention

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For me to say something critical about the government's policy back home would not have any repercussions for the nation

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But particularly over the next several months. Well these talks are are hopefully going to go on

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I want to get the best outcome for Canada and I have to put my country above myself

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Why are you better than

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The current leader of the Canadian government? Mark Connie. Well, what is it you offer that is better than what he has to offer

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My mission is to make Canada

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the most affordable

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Freest and richest country in the world my upbringing I grew up in a very humble beginnings

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I grew up surrounded by working class people. Yeah, these are my folks. Yeah, that's an old one

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But if you're there and your your parents and you're your step brother you're half brother half brother

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Yes, so as my dad and my mother where they were school teachers

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My brothers my half brother because we came from the same biological mother

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But a different biological fathers adopted into the same family kind of a complicated story

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biological mother adopted you at 16 years old put us up for adoption at 16 years old

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She was 16 and then then about three years later. She had another little boy

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And he Patrick was then adopted by the same parents and they were two teachers that adopted you in Patrick

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Yes, that's right. Yeah, I still remember when we went to pick him up

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It was so we went to this

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We got a phone call and he said there's a little boy who happens to be half brothers with your

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With with Pierre would you like to to adopt him too? And he's absolutely

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So we went over to this building

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And we walk into this room and there were all these rows of babies

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And you know, we walked past them and then

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We said they said that's him right there and that was when I met my brother

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You know, we picked him up at that's why I thought that's where babies came from there's a store

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You know, we were to a store and get your your groceries

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There's a store where you can go and get a baby

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That's what I thought because that was my first experience with it

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And we brought him home and and we grew up in working class neighborhoods when I was about three four

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Ish we lost everything we got smashed by

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High interest rates my mother had had saved up enough to buy two little rental properties

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We lost those and our home and had to borrow from our grandfather to get a down payment

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So we'd have a place to live

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My dad was driving this old mobile that was falling apart

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And our neighbors were you know working class folks

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They were just you know electricians

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Oil workers police officers

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So that's those are the people I grew up with

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And I always grew up admiring those those people

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Admiring what they were able to do

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And believing that they were

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Generally taken advantage of by government never listened to and definitely then kept on the outside of decision making

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My mission has been to bring back what I call the promise of Canada that

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Anyone can achieve anything doesn't matter if you start off as an adopted kid raised by school teachers

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Or you know an immigrant from Botswana who grows up really poor

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If you you work at it you should be able to buy a house

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Launch a business become a you know a famous global podcaster

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Or maybe a cure a disease and that was what Canada was all about and that is what I'm trying to reinstate

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Will age do you get to meet your biological mother for the first time

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21-22 my adopted mother was very gracious

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Because I said I won't meet my biological mother

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Without the permission of my adopted mother she did all the work of raising me all the hardships all of my

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She put up with all of my

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Rambunctiousness and teenage years and drove me to hockey practice and

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You know emptied her bank account to pay for our food and stuff

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So I did not want her to feel like she was going to be left behind or forgotten about or replaced

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And I asked her, you know, would you be okay if I met her and she said yes of course because I won't always be here

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And I always want you to have a mother and I thought that was a really incredible thing to do because

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It's so big part it's such a big part of a

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Mother's identity is that they are the mother of that child

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But to have a love that's so much deeper than that personal identity or interest

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Is something I'll always remember it's one of the most gracious things I've ever seen

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I can see the emotion in your face as you say it. Yeah, it's still there

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Yeah, I hadn't thought about that in a while

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What beautiful people yes, we're very blessed and

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And it's it's it's people like these that inspire me that

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Keep me going and in in this crazy world of politics

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So you get to meet your biological mother at 21 22. Yeah around that. Yeah

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What does one say one of the questions one needs to ask if any

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I'm trying to remember we went on we went on a bit of a road trip from

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Ottawa to Montreal and

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We just got to know each other

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She had a lot of questions about how my life had been

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And I had a lot of questions about our our biological family about her father who was a really great man

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I would go on to meet a great Irishman

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The circumstances that led to my

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My conception and and birth and I really came to understand her decision to put me up for adoption

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And I've never been resentful for it at all

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She she was 16 she just lost her mother to a heart attack

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She

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Didn't have a lot of means and she just made a selfless decision that we would have more opportunity if we were raised by someone else

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Did you ever learn anything about your biological father? Yes

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Yeah, he works at a

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Concrete plant in British Columbia and so I went and met him

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He's a great father with children that he subsequently had and raised and and so he he's a very good man

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As well and my my adoptive father is a teacher and he gave me a lot of wonderful lessons

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And I think is responsible for my way with words

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Marlene and Donald that's right

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So Marlene's your adoptive mother Donald's your adoptive father they divorce it when you're 12 years old

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Yes, it would be around that time. I was in grade five

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Very difficult time for parents to divorce very difficult time. I remember that that period of life very very clearly because

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I remember one day my parents coming to me and telling me that they didn't love each other anymore

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That they were gonna get a divorce they didn't okay, but I remember a bit which you know I think did enough damage for

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But it was around that age and I remember where I was stood in the house

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I remember what I was wearing when they said that to me because it's earth shattering

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It is actually I just can't I can't unforget it. It was it was traumatizing

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Well, we were my dad told me and he wanted to tell me alone

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So he we we got into a the car. He said he wanted to take me for a drive and we drove to the local corner store

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And we parked in the car and he told me that there, but it is very traumatizing and

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But at the same time like they were very very good parents. So I

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I don't judge them for how they ended up

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We were very blessed, you know, they gave me a great start in life

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Even though they weren't together they they loved us very much and they gave us all they could

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And Donald would would eventually come out as gay. That's right. One would assume that he was dealing with

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The conflict of feelings. Yes for much of the time

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He had been raised in a very devotely French Catholic household

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And that's why we have a French name is and before he got married

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He even considered going into the priesthood and he was so he was a very devotely Catholic person

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He genuinely loved my mother, but obviously he wasn't programmed that way

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You know, he has a wonderful partner and we're friends with

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Very close with him and his partner Ross right now. Do you see how that's changed you as a man

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And as you've grown up whether it's your sort of your perspective on what love and romance is or

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Anything else. I think that if everything just been you know white-picked fences and you know, you know

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totally predictable and as

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Then then I wouldn't be the kind of person I am today. I think it's also

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You know, it's it's like you I would you have been the successful as you are if you had had a very easy childhood

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I doubt it. I bet all the hardships that you had

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And the twists and turns that took you from Botswana to the United Kingdom and then onward

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Probably gave you some superpower and so this I think it gave me the chance to understand that you have you don't judge people

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You you love them for who they are my parents also taught me an important lesson

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That Shakespeare says to thine own self be true

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My mother had when she was a small

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Baby she was in a car accident and her fingers were burned off and she had horrible scars

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Her world burns on her hand at the time

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As I got to my adolescence. I said to my dad

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Did it ever bother you when you started dating her that she she had this injury

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And he said no because it didn't bother her

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She was totally at peace and she never hid it. It wasn't long after we met that I forgot it was even there

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And the message that I took from that is be yourself don't try to hide the scars scars are the trophies of survival

474
00:29:26.640 --> 00:29:31.280
So those are some of the lessons that my mother and father taught me and my dad was the same about

475
00:29:31.840 --> 00:29:38.800
Who he was he just lived his life unapologetically and openly and he never apologized for who he was and that

476
00:29:39.200 --> 00:29:44.560
Says stayed with me when you speak of Marlene you you speak up with her with a great fondness and expression in your face that

477
00:29:44.880 --> 00:29:47.600
You know, I sit up sat here six seven hundred times. So you you get to see

478
00:29:48.480 --> 00:29:51.200
Who matters most to people in their lives just by looking at their face

479
00:29:52.480 --> 00:29:54.480
And she's she's clearly

480
00:29:54.640 --> 00:29:56.640
On the podium

481
00:29:56.640 --> 00:30:01.520
Yeah, she's a very feisty little lady very short and very very forceful

482
00:30:02.400 --> 00:30:04.560
She she taught me a lot about being you know

483
00:30:05.120 --> 00:30:09.600
pugpagnacious and fighting for what you want and what you need in life and

484
00:30:11.360 --> 00:30:16.560
And we argued a lot when I was a kid and I think that maybe forged some of my current political

485
00:30:17.600 --> 00:30:22.800
Argumentation as well my wife is as a big part of it as well. She's a very strong feisty

486
00:30:23.360 --> 00:30:30.240
Intelligent lady with unincredible upbringing as well. She's a refugee from Venezuela and came with really nothing

487
00:30:30.720 --> 00:30:33.680
And so she has this sort of a mageiver like skill set

488
00:30:34.240 --> 00:30:41.520
To to get anything done and no matter how difficult the logistics. So I've been very very blessed with strong women

489
00:30:42.000 --> 00:30:44.960
Around me at a very young age it appears that you took a

490
00:30:45.840 --> 00:30:47.600
liking to

491
00:30:47.600 --> 00:30:52.640
Politics I mean, I mean you mentioned hockey first and Marlene taking you to hockey. I'm gonna. Yes

492
00:30:52.880 --> 00:30:56.160
A couple of photos if you playing hockey, which I found to be quite interesting, but I'm yes

493
00:30:56.640 --> 00:31:03.440
But politics when did politics come into your your psyche? I would have been kind of in my mid teens

494
00:31:03.920 --> 00:31:06.640
Well, I got into football hurt my back in football

495
00:31:07.280 --> 00:31:13.040
So I couldn't stay on the team my mother had always gone to these sort of local conservative meetings

496
00:31:13.680 --> 00:31:15.680
Sometimes just bringing baked goods or

497
00:31:16.320 --> 00:31:21.840
Attending a volunteer meeting and I said well, why don't you bring me to one of those because I'm bored out of my skull

498
00:31:22.240 --> 00:31:26.720
And she did this gives me meaning this gives me purpose. I want to go and pursue this

499
00:31:26.720 --> 00:31:29.840
So I started getting more and more involved. I got an internship

500
00:31:30.320 --> 00:31:32.320
making almost no money and

501
00:31:33.280 --> 00:31:35.760
I'm dressing up in a use suit and really

502
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:39.520
Through myself fully into this mission one of the books that I am

503
00:31:40.160 --> 00:31:45.920
I realized you'd read at that time from some research is this book Adam Smith the theory of moral sentiments. Yes

504
00:31:46.640 --> 00:31:47.600
so

505
00:31:47.600 --> 00:31:51.760
This is this really this book has to be accompanied by its more famous

506
00:31:52.320 --> 00:31:53.600
sister book

507
00:31:53.600 --> 00:31:59.520
Which is the wealth of nations which that's the book that most people know Adam Smith for they think of him as kind of the father of

508
00:31:59.600 --> 00:32:02.160
Capitalism because in 1776

509
00:32:03.200 --> 00:32:07.920
He wrote this book which described what we now call the free market system

510
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:14.080
And this was a really revolutionary idea because up until then we basically had various forms of feudalism

511
00:32:15.040 --> 00:32:24.400
Where a small group of lords and knights and aristocrats control all the land and the great masses do all the work

512
00:32:24.960 --> 00:32:31.760
And so you called them serfs they would do all the heavy labor and then the lords of the manner would would take all of the benefit

513
00:32:32.320 --> 00:32:36.480
Along came the system of free enterprise that Adam Smith describes

514
00:32:37.040 --> 00:32:43.760
Which is basically it has a very simple premise voluntary exchange of work for wages product for payment

515
00:32:44.160 --> 00:32:46.160
An investment for interest and

516
00:32:46.960 --> 00:32:55.200
That the economy rather than being guided by the iron fist of the king or the state is guided by the invisible hand of the free market

517
00:32:55.680 --> 00:33:00.240
And this has been it been thought that this was crazy. How could the economy just sort of run itself

518
00:33:00.880 --> 00:33:06.640
And the answer is through price signals if the price of something goes up people just automatically start making more of it

519
00:33:06.640 --> 00:33:11.680
And if you need more workers to make that thing well you raise the wages and all of a sudden what do you know the workers arrive

520
00:33:12.480 --> 00:33:18.960
And this system is absolutely ingenious like it's why when you go into a coffee shop and you buy your coffee

521
00:33:19.360 --> 00:33:22.640
You say thank you. They don't say you're welcome. They say thank you

522
00:33:23.200 --> 00:33:28.880
Because they have something worth more to them than they had before the money and you have something worth more to you than you had before

523
00:33:29.440 --> 00:33:33.920
And this voluntary exchange puts everyone on equal scale even if you're a massive corporation

524
00:33:34.000 --> 00:33:38.480
You want to sell something to a 15 year old kid you have to convince him that's worth more than the cost

525
00:33:39.040 --> 00:33:42.320
So everybody has to be better off in the exchange for it to occur

526
00:33:43.120 --> 00:33:45.120
And that was how free enterprise

527
00:33:45.120 --> 00:33:50.560
Formed and it has led to a spectacular increase in the quality of living and the economic growth

528
00:33:51.120 --> 00:33:56.640
200-fold increase in economic growth in the in the free enterprise era versus the feudal era

529
00:33:57.040 --> 00:34:03.280
So a lot of people thought Adam Smith is only interested in a system where people are out serving themselves

530
00:34:04.160 --> 00:34:08.640
Their self-interest that's what they took from the statement in the wealth of nations

531
00:34:09.040 --> 00:34:15.120
That it is not from the build benevolence of the brewer the baker or the butcher that we get our meal

532
00:34:15.120 --> 00:34:17.360
But from his own self-interest

533
00:34:18.000 --> 00:34:23.360
But that was only half the story the other half was in this book called the theory of moral sentiments

534
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:28.400
In which he explains how self-interest overlaps with

535
00:34:29.760 --> 00:34:31.120
virtue

536
00:34:31.200 --> 00:34:34.720
So what he said is that we have something called

537
00:34:35.360 --> 00:34:36.720
fellow feeling

538
00:34:36.720 --> 00:34:39.280
Which is to say we feel for the other person

539
00:34:40.160 --> 00:34:43.280
And we feel good when someone else does good

540
00:34:43.760 --> 00:34:47.520
It's why we explain that you know people donate to charity

541
00:34:47.520 --> 00:34:51.520
Or they leave the door open for a stranger or they might help an injured person

542
00:34:52.160 --> 00:34:56.720
On the street because they feel bad when they see someone else their fellow suffering

543
00:34:56.720 --> 00:34:58.880
And they feel good when they see him succeeding

544
00:34:59.520 --> 00:35:02.640
And that's why it's called sentiments because you feel these things

545
00:35:02.640 --> 00:35:04.000
I saw this in my own son

546
00:35:04.480 --> 00:35:08.400
He for the first time he got a little toy and he gave it to his sister

547
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:10.320
It was the first gift he'd ever given in his life

548
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:17.200
And he was so happy like he literally ran in a big circle around the foyer of our of our residents

549
00:35:17.200 --> 00:35:22.000
And just laughing and screaming it just made him so happy happier than she was to even receive it

550
00:35:22.640 --> 00:35:27.040
And this is the best of human nature that his interest his happiness was served by

551
00:35:27.600 --> 00:35:34.960
Seeing his his sister better off and this is really laid out in some detail in the theory of moral sentiments

552
00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:40.000
And it for me it's like it like brings together all of human nature in one

553
00:35:40.560 --> 00:35:45.440
Place now he's not naive he does accept that there are bad you know dark angels in our nature

554
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:52.400
But he gives the only plausible explanation that I have seen about how you intersect self-interest

555
00:35:52.880 --> 00:35:54.640
With altruism

556
00:35:54.640 --> 00:35:59.440
And how did that change your perspective and therefore you know your policies and your career

557
00:36:00.320 --> 00:36:02.320
I have found that

558
00:36:03.600 --> 00:36:08.640
Those who push a socialist ideology have a gross contradiction

559
00:36:09.520 --> 00:36:12.000
In their view of human nature

560
00:36:12.880 --> 00:36:20.720
They say that human beings are wretched self-interested greedy when they're in the private voluntary economy

561
00:36:21.280 --> 00:36:23.920
But they're angels when they're in the governmental economy

562
00:36:24.240 --> 00:36:29.120
And therefore they argue that the government should just control everything because then we have all these angels that will

563
00:36:29.760 --> 00:36:34.480
Decide for us decide what we get to where how our money is spent what we're supposed to believe

564
00:36:35.440 --> 00:36:39.360
In the modernist day what kind of vehicles we drive what we should think

565
00:36:40.320 --> 00:36:46.400
But that is a huge contradiction if a man if man is not capable of deciding for himself surely

566
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:48.400
He's not capable of deciding for others

567
00:36:48.640 --> 00:36:50.400
And I think the worst

568
00:36:50.400 --> 00:36:58.560
First devices in human nature come out when there is too much power and concentrated in their hands absolute power corrupts absolutely

569
00:36:59.040 --> 00:37:01.040
So my ideology

570
00:37:01.040 --> 00:37:07.760
Is that we should disperse power that it should be a bottom-up system with as much freedom and agency as humanly possible

571
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.720
That people should be free to choose for themselves

572
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:16.400
And that the goal the purpose of the government is to do only those things people cannot do for themselves

573
00:37:16.800 --> 00:37:20.400
I guess if there's you know socialists listening now they might think well

574
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:26.240
We tried this sort of capitalistic approach to the economy and it's resulted in us being able to buy less

575
00:37:27.520 --> 00:37:32.560
Food and vegetables for our money. It's mean that the price is gone up at the pumps people are struggling

576
00:37:32.560 --> 00:37:39.520
It seems that inequality has widened and the the working class seemed to be struggling more now than ever before they can't buy homes

577
00:37:40.160 --> 00:37:43.200
Anymore like my my parents my grandparents could could have so

578
00:37:44.080 --> 00:37:48.400
Clearly we need socialism they would argue because the the current system has not worked

579
00:37:48.640 --> 00:37:50.640
Well, we have now is socialism

580
00:37:51.120 --> 00:37:52.720
For the very rich

581
00:37:52.720 --> 00:37:56.800
We have governments that are actively redistributing wealth from the working class

582
00:37:57.520 --> 00:37:59.520
to the very very wealthy

583
00:38:00.160 --> 00:38:03.360
And that is why we see record inequality

584
00:38:03.360 --> 00:38:08.560
Government is actively intervening in the economy to forcefully redistribute wealth up

585
00:38:09.520 --> 00:38:16.480
The chain up the chain absolutely and there are countless examples of it when they block home building with heavy regulations

586
00:38:16.480 --> 00:38:21.600
They limit the supply of homes those who have mansions therefore are wit richer because their houses are worth more

587
00:38:22.160 --> 00:38:25.680
But young people newcomers working class people can't actually get a home

588
00:38:26.560 --> 00:38:31.200
That is a one example of state intervention. Well, we could do maybe do a little illustration here

589
00:38:31.360 --> 00:38:32.960
Okay, so this is um

590
00:38:33.040 --> 00:38:38.640
This is the total amount of land in Canada yes where homes could be built and actually this is quite reflective

591
00:38:38.640 --> 00:38:41.920
I think of the much of the western world as yes in the UK

592
00:38:42.560 --> 00:38:44.560
And this is a penny yes

593
00:38:44.560 --> 00:38:45.760
Do you understand this demonstration?

594
00:38:45.760 --> 00:38:49.520
Yes, I think what you're trying to say is that this is about how much land we live on yes

595
00:38:50.240 --> 00:38:51.280
So

596
00:38:51.280 --> 00:38:53.280
Canada is a great example of this

597
00:38:53.840 --> 00:38:59.680
because we have ten times as much land per person as the second closest g7 country

598
00:39:00.640 --> 00:39:04.720
And yet we have the fewest homes per capita to live in

599
00:39:05.360 --> 00:39:10.000
And why is that it's because that the vast majority of the cost that goes into building a new home

600
00:39:11.280 --> 00:39:13.520
Is not land

601
00:39:13.520 --> 00:39:18.640
Labor or lumber it's government. It's government taxes fees charges

602
00:39:19.440 --> 00:39:21.280
bureaucracy

603
00:39:21.280 --> 00:39:23.440
lobbyists consultants

604
00:39:23.440 --> 00:39:25.280
So if you think of this home here

605
00:39:26.720 --> 00:39:28.720
This home here in

606
00:39:28.960 --> 00:39:30.000
Canada

607
00:39:30.000 --> 00:39:34.880
When you buy this house more of the money for your purchase would go to bureaucrats in office buildings

608
00:39:35.200 --> 00:39:40.160
Then to the carpenters electricians and plumbers who actually build the home why how

609
00:39:40.720 --> 00:39:47.200
Because the bureaucracy has grown like any organism in nature which seeks to to survive and multiply

610
00:39:47.760 --> 00:39:52.880
They give us the second slowest building permits of any country in the OECD

611
00:39:53.520 --> 00:39:55.200
They charge enormous

612
00:39:55.200 --> 00:39:58.880
Development taxes which started out just to pay for plumbing and

613
00:39:59.520 --> 00:40:03.360
And roads for the the related housing but now have grown into

614
00:40:03.840 --> 00:40:09.120
Just a huge cash cow for local governments because sales taxes still apply on most new homes

615
00:40:09.680 --> 00:40:13.600
And all of that gets conspunged up by government and means that

616
00:40:14.080 --> 00:40:19.520
We have extremely expensive housing in fact we we are the most expensive in the g7

617
00:40:19.840 --> 00:40:25.760
Even though we should be it should be dirt cheap to own a home in Canada because we have the most dirt to build on

618
00:40:26.640 --> 00:40:29.600
And my goal is to remove all of that bureaucracy

619
00:40:30.400 --> 00:40:37.040
Speed have the fastest permits in the world and and make it tax-free to build homes so that everyone can afford one

620
00:40:37.440 --> 00:40:39.440
I was reading some stats that said again

621
00:40:39.680 --> 00:40:43.120
I might butcher this a little bit, but it said that Canada needs to build between

622
00:40:43.920 --> 00:40:52.320
For roughly 450,000 new homes every single year until 2035 yes, just to restore affordability. That's right

623
00:40:53.200 --> 00:40:56.080
And we're building about 240,000 per year

624
00:40:56.720 --> 00:41:00.640
So we need to more roughly double our home building to do that

625
00:41:01.200 --> 00:41:04.320
The good news is we have a hundred thousand well, it's not good news

626
00:41:04.400 --> 00:41:08.240
We have a hundred thousand unemployed construction workers who'd be happy to pick up a hammer

627
00:41:08.880 --> 00:41:10.240
And start building

628
00:41:10.240 --> 00:41:13.760
We have hundreds of billions of dollars of investment that's ready to do it

629
00:41:13.760 --> 00:41:19.360
We have an abundance of land what we need are fast permits and low taxes so that we can unlock that building

630
00:41:19.600 --> 00:41:21.520
What is the case full slow permits?

631
00:41:22.240 --> 00:41:27.040
There isn't one there is no benefit to having slow permits

632
00:41:27.440 --> 00:41:32.000
They do not protect the environment. They do not protect public safety

633
00:41:32.560 --> 00:41:38.080
We used to build houses a lot faster and they didn't fall down after the second world

634
00:41:38.800 --> 00:41:44.560
Permits were almost instantaneous. We had a massive build up of homes so that our returning veterans could have a place to live

635
00:41:44.960 --> 00:41:49.760
In many neighborhoods of Canada those homes are still standing. They have not collapsed. There's no

636
00:41:50.480 --> 00:41:52.640
I'm not saying we get rid of building codes

637
00:41:53.280 --> 00:41:54.960
They should all have to follow

638
00:41:54.960 --> 00:41:59.600
Standards of environmental responsibility and be fire resistant and safe

639
00:42:00.240 --> 00:42:03.680
But it doesn't it shouldn't take seven years to approve a subdivision to do that

640
00:42:03.840 --> 00:42:07.440
We we know how the the developers know how to build according to the rules

641
00:42:07.840 --> 00:42:13.920
They just need quick permits and free to plan to do it. You'd think now with AI you'd be able to approve these permits within minutes

642
00:42:14.640 --> 00:42:19.920
Like with all the technology housing should be so much cheaper than it and it was before

643
00:42:20.560 --> 00:42:22.880
In fact, everything should be spelled so much cheaper

644
00:42:22.880 --> 00:42:28.240
But this is another area where government is redistributing wealth from the working class

645
00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:32.320
To the super rich. It's the monetary inflation

646
00:42:32.800 --> 00:42:37.920
Where we're creating cash at a far faster rate than we're creating the stuff that cash buys

647
00:42:38.480 --> 00:42:40.160
We've in Canada

648
00:42:40.160 --> 00:42:43.760
Increased the number of homes over the last 10 years by 13%

649
00:42:44.240 --> 00:42:47.280
But we've increased the money supply by a hundred percent

650
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:55.040
In other words, there is now eight the the growth and the money supply is eight times faster than the growth and the growth and the housing supply

651
00:42:55.280 --> 00:42:59.280
Which means for the average person that it bids up a price now

652
00:42:59.360 --> 00:43:03.440
You might say well if everybody's equally getting their share of that money then

653
00:43:04.400 --> 00:43:06.400
Who cares? But they're not

654
00:43:06.400 --> 00:43:08.320
There's something called the catalog effect

655
00:43:08.400 --> 00:43:17.680
Which is that the first people to touch the money in a monetary expansion are those who are already wealthy and already connected to the financial system

656
00:43:18.080 --> 00:43:20.800
So when government creates cash to find its deficits

657
00:43:20.880 --> 00:43:24.560
It doesn't just dump the the bills out of an airplane into a suburban neighborhood

658
00:43:24.880 --> 00:43:29.120
It injects it into the banking system by buying government bonds that inflated prices

659
00:43:29.520 --> 00:43:35.520
And those who trade in those bonds are the first to get the cash those connected to the to the financial system of the first to borrow it

660
00:43:35.760 --> 00:43:40.800
They get to deploy it before it loses its value by the time it trickles down to the working class people

661
00:43:41.280 --> 00:43:44.640
It's lost its value and their wages have been destroyed

662
00:43:45.280 --> 00:43:48.720
And this has been happening on and off throughout all of human history

663
00:43:49.120 --> 00:43:56.160
But it's been particularly bad in the last 55 years and that is why I think the working class across the western world is so angry

664
00:43:56.560 --> 00:44:00.880
Canada have consistently dropped down the sort of happiness league table

665
00:44:01.040 --> 00:44:05.760
Well actually from 2015 we've gone from 5th to 25th the 18th

666
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.880
We went from 18th to 25th just in the last year

667
00:44:08.960 --> 00:44:11.760
So you were the 5th happiest country in the world and now you're 25th

668
00:44:11.840 --> 00:44:13.200
That's right

669
00:44:13.200 --> 00:44:17.760
And part of it is food we have the worst food price inflation in the g7 today

670
00:44:18.480 --> 00:44:21.760
It's due to a lot of hidden taxes that are baked into food production

671
00:44:22.400 --> 00:44:29.440
We have an industrial carbon tax that it charges on farm equipment fertilizer and food producers

672
00:44:29.920 --> 00:44:33.600
We have a new fuel tax that's just come in single-use plastic

673
00:44:34.560 --> 00:44:38.800
Is now banned which makes it so that food goes bad about five days quicker

674
00:44:39.200 --> 00:44:42.240
So it sounds kind of very virtuous. We're not going to use plastic anymore

675
00:44:42.320 --> 00:44:44.320
But it ultimately means food

676
00:44:44.320 --> 00:44:46.320
Goes bad and somebody pays for that

677
00:44:47.120 --> 00:44:51.840
So we need I want to get rid of all of those taxes and fees and

678
00:44:52.240 --> 00:44:55.840
unnecessary regulations that do nothing for our self health and safety

679
00:44:56.240 --> 00:44:58.080
So that we can have more affordable food

680
00:44:58.720 --> 00:45:06.960
But more broadly we have to get rid of the the monetary inflation that I described as I said we've doubled our money supply in Canada

681
00:45:07.520 --> 00:45:09.520
From 1.4 trillion

682
00:45:09.520 --> 00:45:15.200
To 2.8 trillion in 10 years so it is not actually that these things cost more

683
00:45:15.200 --> 00:45:18.240
It's that the money with which we buy them is worth less

684
00:45:18.800 --> 00:45:25.600
Because because we're creating so much of it and it's and why why are you doing that to fund deficits to pay for debts

685
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:30.320
That's right and that's why all government. It's not just Canada by the way. It's across the western world

686
00:45:30.720 --> 00:45:35.600
They're creating cash to fund deficits and the deficits come from having a big government

687
00:45:35.840 --> 00:45:38.480
Yes, okay, that's too big. That's right. That's too involved

688
00:45:38.720 --> 00:45:40.960
That's right and the result is that

689
00:45:41.440 --> 00:45:48.320
We're creating cash faster than we grow food build homes or produce energy and my mission

690
00:45:49.040 --> 00:45:57.920
Steven is to flip that I want us to create more of what cash buys by unblocking food production energy production and home building

691
00:45:58.400 --> 00:46:04.320
So that we add those things faster than we add what we add the cash to the system

692
00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:10.880
I mean, I saw this growth here this chart which is GDP per capita with international counterparts

693
00:46:11.360 --> 00:46:15.760
On there it has Canada United States OECD and it shows it's quite stark

694
00:46:15.840 --> 00:46:20.720
It shows that Canada has basically plateaued in terms of GDP per capita. What does for the average person?

695
00:46:20.720 --> 00:46:25.600
What is GDP per capita? What does that actually mean? It's your income really. It's the

696
00:46:26.160 --> 00:46:28.160
it ultimately

697
00:46:28.160 --> 00:46:34.800
GDP the gross domestic product is the the value of all the things that you produce if you're producing

698
00:46:35.440 --> 00:46:37.360
more per person

699
00:46:37.360 --> 00:46:38.960
Over time

700
00:46:38.960 --> 00:46:44.880
People will see their wages rise their real wages rise if you don't produce more per person then your wages are flat

701
00:46:45.680 --> 00:46:52.240
and so that is what we effectively had in Canada over the last 10 years why

702
00:46:54.320 --> 00:46:56.320
Because we we are not

703
00:46:57.680 --> 00:47:02.560
Unlocking our resources our biggest industry is oil and gas and it's locked behind

704
00:47:03.520 --> 00:47:05.280
Very aggressive

705
00:47:05.280 --> 00:47:11.200
Anti-development laws and bureaucracies because we're we're blocking home building and because we're overtaxing our population

706
00:47:11.200 --> 00:47:14.080
We're punishing initiative with high taxes

707
00:47:14.560 --> 00:47:19.360
The good news is that we can reverse all of these things if we we have the most pro-development

708
00:47:19.360 --> 00:47:24.720
And the fastest permits in the world if we cut taxes on work investment home building and energy

709
00:47:25.200 --> 00:47:30.400
Then we can massively increase our output of the things that we need to have a good life

710
00:47:30.400 --> 00:47:33.040
And the wages that people earn to buy it

711
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:37.120
This seems to be a familiar story across some western nations. It is

712
00:47:37.600 --> 00:47:41.360
What are those western nations and what is the thing that they've all got in wrong in common

713
00:47:42.400 --> 00:47:46.400
Well, I think that it's probably true in the UK and the European Union as well

714
00:47:46.800 --> 00:47:48.960
What did they do? Well, let's take Germany

715
00:47:49.200 --> 00:47:54.080
They shut down their nuclear sector and they try to effectively drive oil and gas out of their country

716
00:47:54.560 --> 00:47:57.680
The end result was extremely high energy costs

717
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.080
And this was another intervention that took from working class people and gave to the very rich

718
00:48:02.640 --> 00:48:08.640
Those who were able to get the subsidies for windmills and solar panels got fabulously wealthy all very powerful people

719
00:48:09.280 --> 00:48:13.520
But the workers and the in the plants and the mines of rural Germany

720
00:48:14.000 --> 00:48:18.560
Ended up losing their jobs and paying higher prices for electricity all of which by the way

721
00:48:18.960 --> 00:48:21.760
Has been reversed because now the Germans are back to burning coal

722
00:48:22.160 --> 00:48:24.320
So it did absolutely nothing for the environment

723
00:48:25.040 --> 00:48:29.200
This is another example of government intervention totally screwing over the working class

724
00:48:29.600 --> 00:48:32.880
A phenomenon across the western world and this is the big lie

725
00:48:33.440 --> 00:48:37.280
The big lie is that when government gets big it gives people their fair share

726
00:48:37.360 --> 00:48:42.000
What it does in fact is it gives the money and the resources to those who have the most political power

727
00:48:42.320 --> 00:48:46.080
Those people are all rich and it pays for it by taking from the working class

728
00:48:46.480 --> 00:48:49.600
So my mission in politics is to reverse that entire approach

729
00:48:50.160 --> 00:48:52.160
Have a small government with big people

730
00:48:52.320 --> 00:48:58.000
A meritocracy that rewards work and a free enterprise system that requires businesses compete

731
00:48:58.640 --> 00:49:02.400
For workers with higher wages and consumers with lower prices

732
00:49:02.960 --> 00:49:07.280
I'm looking here at the GDP forecasts for various countries around the world in the United States

733
00:49:07.520 --> 00:49:09.520
GDP forecast looks like it's um

734
00:49:10.160 --> 00:49:12.800
It's been pretty you know pretty strong relative to others

735
00:49:13.040 --> 00:49:15.040
Canada looks like it's going down

736
00:49:15.040 --> 00:49:17.040
2025 estimates 1.7 percent

737
00:49:18.080 --> 00:49:22.640
26 estimates 1.3 the United Kingdom as well seem to have been lagging

738
00:49:23.440 --> 00:49:29.360
Both the United States and Canada and Germany as you said in 2024 their GDP growth was only 0.2

739
00:49:30.240 --> 00:49:35.840
Which is hundreds and hundreds and hundreds of percentages lower than the United States Canada or even the UK

740
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:38.400
But clearly there is a problem with GDP growth here

741
00:49:38.800 --> 00:49:44.320
Mm-hmm for Canada for the United States for the United Kingdom relative to a country like the United States

742
00:49:44.720 --> 00:49:46.480
It looks like the United States are doing something right

743
00:49:47.120 --> 00:49:49.120
If you look at GDP growth is the main measure

744
00:49:50.160 --> 00:49:51.680
Look

745
00:49:51.680 --> 00:49:54.000
There are some policies that we can learn from

746
00:49:54.560 --> 00:49:55.280
um

747
00:49:55.280 --> 00:49:57.280
It's not just the United States though look at

748
00:49:58.000 --> 00:50:00.000
Look at Switzerland for example

749
00:50:00.000 --> 00:50:01.200
The Swiss are

750
00:50:01.200 --> 00:50:04.720
Among the wealthiest in the world they have the best money the lowest inflation

751
00:50:04.720 --> 00:50:07.600
They have almost no inflation in Switzerland by the way

752
00:50:07.760 --> 00:50:14.080
They have very strong money the the Swiss Frank is the best currency in the world better than the euro or the American dollar

753
00:50:14.160 --> 00:50:23.200
What do they have free enterprise small government the share of government of the economy consumed by government spending is significantly lower than anywhere else in the

754
00:50:23.440 --> 00:50:25.040
Western world

755
00:50:25.040 --> 00:50:31.840
Outside of outside of Asia and so they do very well. How is it that the Singaporeans have become one of the wealthiest nations on earth

756
00:50:32.080 --> 00:50:38.080
They have no resources literally nothing they have to import their water for god sakes

757
00:50:38.480 --> 00:50:40.480
they they took an a swampy

758
00:50:41.200 --> 00:50:47.440
Mosquito infested island and three people who were struggling to survive in their homelands

759
00:50:47.440 --> 00:50:51.680
And they came together and created the wealthiest country in the world outside of the Gulf states

760
00:50:52.160 --> 00:50:56.320
Why they have free enterprise they have low taxes. It's easy to start a business

761
00:50:56.480 --> 00:50:59.440
You're rewarded for your hard work. This is the kind of thing we could be doing

762
00:50:59.760 --> 00:51:03.120
So looking at the numbers of Singapore Singapore operates in a league of its own

763
00:51:03.600 --> 00:51:06.800
Outperforming both the UK Canada and the USA in terms of growth

764
00:51:07.680 --> 00:51:10.160
And per capita wealth as a hub economy

765
00:51:10.240 --> 00:51:14.800
It is currently riding the wave of the global AI boom because they've enabled entrepreneurship

766
00:51:15.440 --> 00:51:18.000
And it is more than gd from a gdp perspective

767
00:51:18.640 --> 00:51:21.440
Last year more than double the United States gdp growth

768
00:51:22.400 --> 00:51:28.560
And I mean it's it's left Canada and the United Kingdom and even Switzerland in its tracks in that regard interesting

769
00:51:28.800 --> 00:51:34.960
It's a spectacular achievement. I mean leek one you who founded the country and created this miracle

770
00:51:35.520 --> 00:51:37.760
Should be studied by every leader in the world

771
00:51:38.400 --> 00:51:42.880
Because I don't think there's anyone who's been able to generate such a massive

772
00:51:43.760 --> 00:51:50.000
Increase in the quality of life and to do it with literally no resources whatsoever except for geography

773
00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:52.640
And they managed to exploit their geography as you said

774
00:51:53.200 --> 00:51:56.560
To be kind of like modern-day Nabateans. They're a trading hub

775
00:51:57.200 --> 00:51:58.880
For for all of Asia

776
00:51:58.880 --> 00:52:03.440
Every sort of economic policy or philosophies does have a trade-off

777
00:52:03.920 --> 00:52:06.640
I mean this one thing you land as a podcast that there's just always trade-offs

778
00:52:06.640 --> 00:52:09.280
And if you're not clear on what the trade-offs are then they might surprise you

779
00:52:09.280 --> 00:52:13.280
Right. I mean that you know you can talk about socialism or you can talk about capitalism

780
00:52:13.280 --> 00:52:15.280
Whatever all of them have trade-offs

781
00:52:15.280 --> 00:52:17.760
What are the trade-offs of your economic

782
00:52:18.720 --> 00:52:20.720
strategy and philosophy

783
00:52:21.280 --> 00:52:26.560
Well the leadership has to have humility because it has to let go of power and turn it back to the people

784
00:52:27.120 --> 00:52:30.480
And that is a very hard thing for politicians to do

785
00:52:31.040 --> 00:52:34.640
I mean no politician wants to have written on their gravestone

786
00:52:35.520 --> 00:52:38.880
He stated the way left people alone so that they could do great things without him

787
00:52:40.480 --> 00:52:42.960
Although I think we'd be better off if more of them did

788
00:52:43.600 --> 00:52:46.400
But I should also say that like there is a role for government

789
00:52:46.400 --> 00:52:50.240
I'm not suggesting that there isn't there there should be a basic social safety net

790
00:52:50.720 --> 00:52:52.480
That provides the things that people

791
00:52:53.200 --> 00:52:58.160
Who are less advantage would not be able to have for themselves to make sure that everyone has health care even if

792
00:52:58.800 --> 00:53:03.520
They can't afford to pay for it that there's basic schooling and roads and infrastructure

793
00:53:03.920 --> 00:53:10.320
But what happens is that once you get beyond providing those basics and government starts to to metastasize into well

794
00:53:11.040 --> 00:53:14.000
All kinds of other things that are not its core responsibility

795
00:53:14.480 --> 00:53:19.200
Each dollar spent has less and less return and then it turns into a negative return

796
00:53:19.920 --> 00:53:24.560
Where the more they spend the more damage they do and I think we're beyond that point on the curve

797
00:53:24.720 --> 00:53:28.400
Because I'm thinking about how immigration ties into all of this and to GDP growth

798
00:53:28.560 --> 00:53:35.120
I think in Canada from the research I was doing there has been a decline in birth rates. Yes. So there's significantly less

799
00:53:35.840 --> 00:53:38.720
People getting married there's significantly less people being born

800
00:53:39.120 --> 00:53:45.040
So how does one run their economy when you're not having new children being born without bringing in lots of

801
00:53:45.600 --> 00:53:47.760
Immigrants to to help support that economy

802
00:53:49.440 --> 00:53:52.880
Well first of all I think we have to ask ourselves why has the birth rate gone down?

803
00:53:53.040 --> 00:53:54.880
I would argue that it's

804
00:53:54.880 --> 00:53:57.840
Economic reach reasons if you cannot afford a home

805
00:53:58.640 --> 00:54:01.120
Then you have no place to raise children

806
00:54:02.000 --> 00:54:09.200
You know we have this phenomenon of in Canada of 35 year old still living in their parents basements and how do you even get a date?

807
00:54:09.680 --> 00:54:11.680
I mean how do you bring a date home?

808
00:54:12.720 --> 00:54:13.920
You know

809
00:54:13.920 --> 00:54:15.920
It's it's a challenge

810
00:54:16.080 --> 00:54:20.320
If you're 35 and these are great high-achieving people who've got jobs

811
00:54:21.120 --> 00:54:24.880
But they just can't afford a place to live or they're stuck in a

812
00:54:25.840 --> 00:54:31.760
A small apartment because that's all their paycheck will buy them in the way of rent and so

813
00:54:32.480 --> 00:54:38.400
I think for those economic constraints we we have a lot of young people who otherwise would love to have children

814
00:54:38.880 --> 00:54:42.240
In their late 20s early 30s who simply have nowhere to raise them

815
00:54:42.400 --> 00:54:48.480
I'm alright in thinking that a lot of these Western economies have allowed a lot of people into their countries to make up for

816
00:54:50.080 --> 00:54:54.160
The the willingness or desire or the availability of people to do this sort of low wage

817
00:54:55.120 --> 00:54:58.960
Jobs is this is what is this what's happened globally because I think I'm okay

818
00:54:59.120 --> 00:55:06.240
Yes, I think I frankly I think that a lot of multinational corporations have abused the immigration system in order to drive down wages

819
00:55:06.720 --> 00:55:10.240
in Canada for example the government massively expanded

820
00:55:11.200 --> 00:55:15.840
the international student and temporary foreign worker programs and that allowed

821
00:55:16.720 --> 00:55:19.760
corporations to pay artificially low wages

822
00:55:20.480 --> 00:55:23.920
To people who do not have the same mobility rights and

823
00:55:24.640 --> 00:55:31.200
Opportunities and that drove down rages displaced people from their jobs and ultimately ballooned housing costs

824
00:55:31.440 --> 00:55:35.120
And so my position is that we need to to cap numbers

825
00:55:35.840 --> 00:55:42.640
And ensure that the the economy health care and housing grows faster than the population at all times if you cap numbers

826
00:55:42.640 --> 00:55:45.920
Does that mean that these corporations these entrepreneurs these companies don't have

827
00:55:46.560 --> 00:55:50.720
Enough people to fill the roles in their companies and therefore have to move somewhere else. What does it mean?

828
00:55:50.800 --> 00:55:53.280
No, we have unemployment. We have people without jobs

829
00:55:53.840 --> 00:55:56.960
But they just some multi-nationals don't want to pay full wages

830
00:55:57.520 --> 00:56:02.240
So they think well, just undercut the wage by bringing someone in from a very poor country

831
00:56:02.320 --> 00:56:07.600
Who's willing to work for a lot less and who has fewer rights because they can't leave the job to go to another employer

832
00:56:08.160 --> 00:56:13.760
So it's kind of like easy street and so my view is that when you've got unemployed people

833
00:56:14.320 --> 00:56:16.720
And you're trying to fill your workplace pay higher wages

834
00:56:17.280 --> 00:56:19.440
Give give people a better return on their work

835
00:56:20.160 --> 00:56:26.800
You've got unemployment are those people trained and skilled and willing to do the jobs that Canada needs them to do

836
00:56:27.280 --> 00:56:30.640
Yes, absolutely. I mean we have a hundred thousand unemployed construction workers

837
00:56:30.640 --> 00:56:32.720
They could be building the homes that we need built

838
00:56:33.520 --> 00:56:35.520
We have young people coming out of

839
00:56:36.800 --> 00:56:39.680
Out of high school without a job. We have a 30-year highs and

840
00:56:40.400 --> 00:56:41.600
unemployment

841
00:56:41.600 --> 00:56:47.040
Among youth they should be getting those jobs and you know Starbucks as well. They don't want to take them

842
00:56:47.120 --> 00:56:51.440
Well, maybe you're not paying enough if you're not paying the right wage then you're not going to get the right worker

843
00:56:51.440 --> 00:56:55.520
But pay an equivalent wage and you'll attract a worker who will who will do the job

844
00:56:56.000 --> 00:56:59.840
Again, I'm trying to play devil's advocate. Okay, so you know Starbucks increase increase wages

845
00:56:59.920 --> 00:57:03.200
Yes, which means that Starbucks then will increase the cost of a cup of coffee

846
00:57:03.760 --> 00:57:07.920
Presumably well unless they can find more efficient ways to run their systems

847
00:57:08.160 --> 00:57:13.120
You know more competition in the system will allow the worker to gain more in the consumer to pay less

848
00:57:13.600 --> 00:57:18.560
And the entrepreneur in the middle has to find ways to save and operate more efficiently

849
00:57:18.560 --> 00:57:21.280
That's the magic of the market is that everybody has a

850
00:57:22.240 --> 00:57:25.520
A vested interest in driving the most value for the lowest cost

851
00:57:26.400 --> 00:57:31.760
One of the interesting ways lots of employers are finding ways to drive efficiencies is this new technological AI right

852
00:57:32.160 --> 00:57:38.320
And again, maybe somewhat ironically here and for Opica one of the world's leading AI companies released a report two weeks ago

853
00:57:38.720 --> 00:57:44.560
I'll throw the graph upon the screen, but it shows where job disruption will take place based on how people are currently using their tools

854
00:57:44.880 --> 00:57:47.280
And one of the things they noticed is that there's been a

855
00:57:47.840 --> 00:57:58.720
The increase by I think roughly 14% in youth unemployment because entry-level jobs are the ones often in white color industries that are being taken out first right and you hear these things and you go

856
00:57:58.720 --> 00:58:03.120
Oh, you know, that's some stats and whatever and it's not necessarily tanked the economy yet

857
00:58:03.280 --> 00:58:08.080
But as an employer of hundreds and hundreds of people all over the world now I have started to notice

858
00:58:09.200 --> 00:58:16.880
That the case for hiring certain groups of people is becoming much more tricky now because of these tools

859
00:58:17.440 --> 00:58:20.640
Doesn't make me sound great saying that it's not that we're not hiring hundreds of people

860
00:58:20.880 --> 00:58:24.000
But there's this certain set when I look at specifically entry-level

861
00:58:24.480 --> 00:58:25.760
Grads

862
00:58:25.760 --> 00:58:27.760
If they aren't really AI proficient

863
00:58:28.240 --> 00:58:35.680
They are a lot less appealing in some roles than people young grads that are extremely error proficient and the problem is not many of them are

864
00:58:36.160 --> 00:58:43.120
And that just in sort of a company like mine if you are AI proficient really irrespective of age and you know how to build this thing called AI agents

865
00:58:43.520 --> 00:58:48.160
It's kind of like you come with 50 team members of your own. Wow. That's what it's like

866
00:58:48.240 --> 00:58:56.080
So I've got a kid called Kaz here, you know, he's a young guy in his 20s. He's built a team of agents that I work for him

867
00:58:56.320 --> 00:58:57.840
So hiring Kaz

868
00:58:58.080 --> 00:59:01.760
Means I get Kaz and his team of agents because he's proficient in that technology

869
00:59:02.240 --> 00:59:03.840
Most of the workforce

870
00:59:03.840 --> 00:59:09.520
Hasn't been trained because of the education system to a thing about this right so it's becoming increasingly difficult to to hire

871
00:59:10.000 --> 00:59:14.960
Entry-level people but actually all the way up the board unless you have deep expertise in a domain

872
00:59:15.600 --> 00:59:18.480
Which would mean that I can get Kaz to make you the agents

873
00:59:19.040 --> 00:59:25.600
So like on my CFO for you know for example, you know 50 50 years working in finance etc

874
00:59:25.840 --> 00:59:27.040
Deep expertise

875
00:59:27.040 --> 00:59:30.880
And I just need her and then she can build that a team of AI agents to work with her

876
00:59:31.360 --> 00:59:33.200
Back in the day if you'd got five years ago

877
00:59:33.200 --> 00:59:37.280
I would have needed her and her to have a massive team of people right

878
00:59:37.360 --> 00:59:43.120
I say all this to say that there's a certain group in society people that have deep at domain expertise and people that are technical that I think

879
00:59:44.080 --> 00:59:50.720
Are in higher demand than ever before and everybody else as AI continues to replace them through things like autonomous driving and

880
00:59:51.280 --> 00:59:53.280
Robotics is around the corner

881
00:59:53.680 --> 00:59:59.440
Is I think there needs to be a real conversation about what happens to these people can I ask you a question? So

882
01:00:00.960 --> 01:00:05.760
Throughout history we've had these scares where new technological developments

883
01:00:06.720 --> 01:00:11.280
Have threatened to replace and in really have replaced certain human labor

884
01:00:11.440 --> 01:00:16.560
So you had like the during the industrial revolution machines were replacing muscular power

885
01:00:16.560 --> 01:00:20.400
And then you had the Luddites who came and tried to smash those machines to protect their jobs

886
01:00:20.800 --> 01:00:25.200
In the end they just got different jobs with higher pay because they could do more with these machines

887
01:00:25.200 --> 01:00:28.480
And they didn't have to walk behind a you know a mule fast pushing

888
01:00:28.960 --> 01:00:34.000
pushing a plow in the hot sun all day they had a tractor that would pull the plow

889
01:00:34.800 --> 01:00:36.320
And so on and so forth

890
01:00:36.320 --> 01:00:41.280
But and then in the dot com era we were told again that people are going to lose their jobs to computers

891
01:00:42.400 --> 01:00:44.880
In fact, they were made more productive by computers

892
01:00:44.960 --> 01:00:51.600
Do you think this time is fundamentally different than those prior technological revolutions? I would say

893
01:00:52.960 --> 01:00:58.640
First thing is nobody knows the second thing I'd say is yes, okay, and the reason I'd say yes is just the speed of disruption

894
01:00:59.440 --> 01:01:05.520
So unlike the in the industrial revolution where you know take some time for the new technologies to become adopted because of the nature of their

895
01:01:05.920 --> 01:01:11.040
Of what those technologies were this technology is built on the internet which has global distribution

896
01:01:11.120 --> 01:01:17.040
So open-claw is a good example of a technology that is very to simplify it for the audience

897
01:01:17.680 --> 01:01:19.680
It can do anything on my computer

898
01:01:20.480 --> 01:01:22.800
So if I put a computer here on this table

899
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:26.080
I can text open-claw on WhatsApp and tell it to

900
01:01:26.720 --> 01:01:33.360
Go on this podcast right now look at the part of the conversation that was most replayed by the audience clip it add subtitles to it

901
01:01:33.680 --> 01:01:37.520
Tweeter or send it to my selection. I can get it to you. I'll tell you something I did the other day

902
01:01:37.680 --> 01:01:42.320
I was in my house in Los Angeles and it was very very hot because there's a heat wave at the moment

903
01:01:42.560 --> 01:01:45.600
So I said to it can you can you go on take a look at my house online

904
01:01:46.160 --> 01:01:47.120
um

905
01:01:47.120 --> 01:01:50.320
Buy me a umbrella that I can put because I like to work outside

906
01:01:50.400 --> 01:01:53.280
I actually voiced it this and what it did is it went on google maps

907
01:01:53.360 --> 01:01:57.760
It looked all around my house from all around the outside because it knew where I lived for some bizarre reason

908
01:01:58.000 --> 01:02:02.800
It knew that I the charcoal umbrella at a certain size would suit that table out there

909
01:02:03.040 --> 01:02:08.480
It went on Amazon found the charcoal umbrella. It ordered it. It arrives at my house and it transacted

910
01:02:08.480 --> 01:02:12.560
Like you transact because it had my my login details to transact on this particular website

911
01:02:12.560 --> 01:02:17.200
So but it's just you know the framing is it can do anything that you would you would do on a computer

912
01:02:17.680 --> 01:02:19.280
Um a lot of people work on computers

913
01:02:20.000 --> 01:02:23.040
And the speed of adoption that we're seeing is is staggering

914
01:02:23.040 --> 01:02:28.560
So my my concern is actually the sort of near-time displacement before we figure out the types of jobs that

915
01:02:29.120 --> 01:02:31.040
um the types of new jobs

916
01:02:31.040 --> 01:02:35.920
And then with robotics on the way, you know, here's someone like Elon Musk saying that there'll be more

917
01:02:36.400 --> 01:02:38.480
humanoid robots than

918
01:02:38.480 --> 01:02:43.440
Humans, you know, and people say well, you know, he's saying that because he's he's got a vested interest right

919
01:02:43.680 --> 01:02:46.880
However, what I'd say is his timelines have sometimes not been right

920
01:02:47.840 --> 01:02:53.600
But when he said he was going to make those spaceships land on trop sticks the spaceships eventually incredible

921
01:02:53.840 --> 01:02:57.200
Now he's a brilliant mind and don't underestimate him. My car out there drives itself

922
01:02:58.160 --> 01:03:00.160
without without intervention so

923
01:03:00.880 --> 01:03:02.560
I don't know it's a really interesting time

924
01:03:02.560 --> 01:03:05.200
I can both see why this technology is going to change the world for the better

925
01:03:05.600 --> 01:03:10.880
And I believe it will but then I'm just really concerned about certain economies and countries that aren't taking it seriously

926
01:03:11.200 --> 01:03:16.800
Because they're so distracted by other things like a lot of them race-baiting a lot of them like immigration seems to be

927
01:03:16.800 --> 01:03:19.200
The winning lever like to say the brown people are the problem

928
01:03:19.760 --> 01:03:21.440
But I'm like maybe the alien is something else

929
01:03:22.320 --> 01:03:26.000
Maybe the alien is of these agents that are actually going to take our jobs

930
01:03:26.560 --> 01:03:29.920
I believe the basic human need is is meaning to have

931
01:03:30.960 --> 01:03:31.920
the

932
01:03:31.920 --> 01:03:36.880
Purpose in life and often the question we have to ask is how can we guide

933
01:03:38.240 --> 01:03:45.840
This revolution in technology so that it empowers people to do things that continue to give them meaning

934
01:03:46.000 --> 01:03:48.880
I think it was John Adams who said something to the effect of

935
01:03:49.680 --> 01:03:51.680
my father studied

936
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:56.320
warfare so that I would have the security to study commerce I study commerce

937
01:03:56.800 --> 01:03:59.920
So that my children will have the prosperity to study arts

938
01:04:00.640 --> 01:04:03.120
if these new systems give us

939
01:04:04.160 --> 01:04:10.800
The ability to focus on the things that we love doing that give us meaning in our lives and that could be a different thing for each person

940
01:04:11.600 --> 01:04:17.280
While at the same time supplying with us with a lot of our material needs it could be very positive

941
01:04:17.760 --> 01:04:22.960
If it simply strips away our own utility and leaves lots of people without the ability to work at all

942
01:04:23.040 --> 01:04:26.720
Then it could be very very dangerous to to our our lives

943
01:04:27.280 --> 01:04:33.760
So I think that we have the public policy objective is to to ensure that it becomes an enabler of humanity

944
01:04:34.160 --> 01:04:36.160
not a replacement for it

945
01:04:36.480 --> 01:04:38.240
So you could come into power in is it

946
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:39.600
2029 if there's no

947
01:04:40.400 --> 01:04:42.800
overthrowing of the current leader

948
01:04:43.440 --> 01:04:45.040
2029 is going to be an interesting time

949
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:51.520
If these sort of forecasts that we're getting from some of the world's leading experts in artificial intelligence and robotics come true

950
01:04:51.920 --> 01:04:53.680
Have you thought much yet about

951
01:04:54.480 --> 01:04:55.840
How you would counteract that?

952
01:04:56.720 --> 01:05:02.320
What you would do to make sure that there isn't huge job job disruption because you know a lot of a lot of people like Sam Altman

953
01:05:02.480 --> 01:05:07.920
Have suggested through their actions that they might support things like universal basic income

954
01:05:08.240 --> 01:05:13.840
In fact, Sam Altman's Sam Altman being the founder and co founder of open AI which makes chat gbt

955
01:05:14.240 --> 01:05:18.080
I think his other startup is called world coin which uses your retina scat

956
01:05:18.560 --> 01:05:23.520
To to validate that you're a real human being so that you they can distribute

957
01:05:24.000 --> 01:05:26.160
Money to people because in a world of AI

958
01:05:26.640 --> 01:05:28.880
We're going to need to find a way to distribute wealth

959
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:32.960
And if you listen to Elon he says we're going to live in the age of abundance where working is going to be optional

960
01:05:33.040 --> 01:05:35.040
He says now if you're a surgeon

961
01:05:35.040 --> 01:05:38.800
And you're training to be a surgeon he says absolutely don't because in a couple of couple years time

962
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:46.240
There's going to be no human that's better than any AI surgeon. Wow. So these things are true. I like surely you should be making

963
01:05:47.280 --> 01:05:49.280
plans

964
01:05:49.280 --> 01:05:54.880
And you know when a lot of smart you know, I know they have an incentive they're raising money and they want they have to a certain narrative

965
01:05:54.880 --> 01:05:57.760
Which helps them raise money, but if they are right

966
01:05:59.200 --> 01:06:00.880
If you should looks very different from the past

967
01:06:01.920 --> 01:06:03.920
Just true. Do you have a plan?

968
01:06:04.640 --> 01:06:11.040
I have principles that I would apply as these technologies present themselves and the principle for me is

969
01:06:11.840 --> 01:06:13.840
How do we make sure that the AI

970
01:06:14.960 --> 01:06:22.720
Enables and empowers people to make more decisions for themselves and have more freedom and a and um to pursue their own meaning

971
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:27.200
Rather than replacing and rendering them

972
01:06:27.840 --> 01:06:28.800
um

973
01:06:28.800 --> 01:06:32.800
Giving them a sense of of lost meaning and purpose and so

974
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:35.840
Do I think it's great that every

975
01:06:36.000 --> 01:06:40.240
minimum wage worker might have a personal assistant and a chauffeur vehicle?

976
01:06:40.240 --> 01:06:42.720
I do because like that would make more of their life

977
01:06:43.840 --> 01:06:49.040
They could spend on the the things that thrill them and make them happy unless of their life would be spent on

978
01:06:49.600 --> 01:06:54.320
The drudgery of having to drive in a traffic jam or or you know sweep their floor

979
01:06:55.280 --> 01:06:58.480
But uh at the same time we have to make sure that

980
01:06:59.120 --> 01:07:04.880
That people have the ability to work and contribute and give themselves a sense of meaning in their lives

981
01:07:05.360 --> 01:07:11.520
So the other thing I would say is that as these technologies bring down costs those savings should be

982
01:07:12.320 --> 01:07:18.080
Past on to people they should not be inflated away the government should not use this as an opportunity to just print more cash to

983
01:07:18.080 --> 01:07:19.600
Reflate the cost of living

984
01:07:19.600 --> 01:07:23.760
We should actually seek as our goal to lower the cost of living make life

985
01:07:24.640 --> 01:07:29.680
More affordable make our dollars go further which is which hasn't happened in in generations

986
01:07:30.160 --> 01:07:35.600
And so if technology is going to allow us to produce more for less than let's make sure that the working class people actually

987
01:07:36.320 --> 01:07:42.960
Enjoy that benefit rather than having an inflated away. It is quite concerning that you know if wealth does accrue to these big companies

988
01:07:43.120 --> 01:07:49.040
Yes, you know people like Elon who incredible launch banana is going to become the world's first trillionaire

989
01:07:49.440 --> 01:07:54.160
Right, I don't think he'll be the last the way things are going with with artificial intelligence that

990
01:07:55.280 --> 01:07:57.280
And then if there is job disruption

991
01:07:57.760 --> 01:07:59.600
I do think there's going to potentially need to be some

992
01:08:00.480 --> 01:08:02.480
government intervention

993
01:08:02.480 --> 01:08:07.440
Corrective government intervention. Do you know I don't know nobody knows exactly what's going to happen

994
01:08:07.440 --> 01:08:12.240
I mean it was you know Paul Krugman the Nobel Prize winning

995
01:08:13.200 --> 01:08:18.800
Economist who embarrassingly predicted that the internet would have no more impact on our lives than the facts machine

996
01:08:19.360 --> 01:08:21.040
And and he's a Nobel Prize

997
01:08:21.200 --> 01:08:23.360
Economist I think from Princeton or Yale or something

998
01:08:23.840 --> 01:08:26.480
So nobody's no stradamas on these things

999
01:08:27.200 --> 01:08:32.160
But we have to have guiding principles and mine are the rules around technology

1000
01:08:32.240 --> 01:08:38.880
Always be geared towards giving people more agency more meaning and more control of their lives and not less

1001
01:08:39.760 --> 01:08:43.200
It's funny because I don't hear it reflected enough in political discourse

1002
01:08:43.600 --> 01:08:47.120
I hear us focusing on other things and one of those things is immigration

1003
01:08:47.920 --> 01:08:54.160
Across the Western world the subject of immigration seems to be a bit of a winning formula for political leaders

1004
01:08:54.160 --> 01:08:56.720
If I think about the UK what Trump said about

1005
01:08:57.440 --> 01:09:01.040
You know being invaded by rapists and murderers from the southern border

1006
01:09:01.520 --> 01:09:06.560
Do you feel that it's a it's a sort of a weaponized divisive tool for people to get elected

1007
01:09:07.040 --> 01:09:09.920
Complaining about the brown people or foreigners

1008
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:12.880
I'll just give you the Canadian experience so for

1009
01:09:13.680 --> 01:09:17.680
Roughly 200 years. We had the most successful immigration system in the world

1010
01:09:18.320 --> 01:09:23.840
By far in fact other countries both Republicans and Democrats in the United States used to say we need to study the Canadian system

1011
01:09:23.840 --> 01:09:26.080
Because it has been so successful. We had a point system

1012
01:09:26.640 --> 01:09:32.640
That that measured whether someone would be a good fit for our labor market whether they would would integrate well into our our system

1013
01:09:33.280 --> 01:09:35.760
And overwhelmingly people integrated

1014
01:09:36.240 --> 01:09:37.440
Intermarried

1015
01:09:37.440 --> 01:09:42.400
You know my wife is a as a refugee from Venezuela. That is not an uncommon story in Canada

1016
01:09:42.960 --> 01:09:47.120
What we encountered was a very sudden and inexplicable increase in the numbers

1017
01:09:47.840 --> 01:09:51.280
In the period from 2021 to 2024

1018
01:09:52.080 --> 01:09:59.040
That was strictly out of line with our our ability to absorb people into housing health care and jobs

1019
01:09:59.760 --> 01:10:04.880
And this upset the the social peace on immigration that we had had for two centuries leading up to it

1020
01:10:05.680 --> 01:10:07.200
And

1021
01:10:07.280 --> 01:10:09.840
Now everyone across the political spectrum

1022
01:10:10.400 --> 01:10:12.720
agrees that it went too far too fast

1023
01:10:13.440 --> 01:10:16.640
And the approach that we're taking is that

1024
01:10:17.440 --> 01:10:22.720
That we have to make it a lawful system has to follow the rules you can you people have to come in legally

1025
01:10:23.360 --> 01:10:27.840
In numbers that we can absorb and ultimately integrate into jobs

1026
01:10:28.640 --> 01:10:34.400
Society and our way of life population cannot grow faster than the housing stock

1027
01:10:34.880 --> 01:10:40.480
Or your runnative places to live it can't grow faster than the number of jobs or your runnative paychecks for people

1028
01:10:41.120 --> 01:10:46.880
And so we need a controlled orderly system that's both compassionate and common sense

1029
01:10:47.040 --> 01:10:50.000
It's such a device of subject you've seen what's happened here in the United States with ICE

1030
01:10:50.640 --> 01:10:52.320
Right. Yeah

1031
01:10:52.320 --> 01:10:54.960
It's a it's a different situation in the US

1032
01:10:56.080 --> 01:10:57.280
We

1033
01:10:57.280 --> 01:11:00.480
The immigration problem in the US goes back many many years

1034
01:11:00.960 --> 01:11:03.680
Many many years of chaos at their the southern border

1035
01:11:03.920 --> 01:11:07.840
We didn't have that in Canada like that was unheard of we we had

1036
01:11:08.320 --> 01:11:12.080
roughly one percent of population immigrating to Canada for

1037
01:11:13.280 --> 01:11:18.880
200 years it was uncontroversial in Canada up until this very strange

1038
01:11:19.520 --> 01:11:24.080
inexplicable spike that really only helped very wealthy

1039
01:11:24.960 --> 01:11:26.560
landlords and

1040
01:11:26.640 --> 01:11:28.560
Employers that wanted to drive

1041
01:11:28.560 --> 01:11:34.080
Wages down and rents up they were the only beneficiaries of the extreme increase in numbers

1042
01:11:34.720 --> 01:11:39.440
If you don't get the replacement rate back up to a level where you're having enough kids in Canada

1043
01:11:40.160 --> 01:11:43.840
Does it track that eventually you would have to rely on more immigration?

1044
01:11:45.040 --> 01:11:47.040
To solve for this sort of GDP issues

1045
01:11:47.680 --> 01:11:50.720
Look economic immigration of high-skilled

1046
01:11:51.600 --> 01:11:56.240
People to our country is is has always been successful people and

1047
01:11:57.040 --> 01:11:58.880
Nobody resents that

1048
01:11:58.880 --> 01:12:04.720
One of the things that we have to do though is when people get to Canada they have to be able to fulfill their potential in Canada today

1049
01:12:05.120 --> 01:12:10.320
We have these gatekeepers that block immigrant professionals from even working in their field

1050
01:12:10.800 --> 01:12:17.200
So for example, we have 20,000 immigrant doctors and 32,000 immigrant nurses who can't work in medicine

1051
01:12:17.440 --> 01:12:19.440
Because they can't get a license to practice

1052
01:12:19.680 --> 01:12:21.760
There's this incredibly bureaucratic system

1053
01:12:21.760 --> 01:12:26.400
They have to go through that takes eight or nine years to prove that they actually have the qualifications

1054
01:12:27.280 --> 01:12:30.960
I have it's so crazy that when I went in for my eye surgery. There's a technician there

1055
01:12:31.440 --> 01:12:36.080
Who literally flies to the UAE to do eye surgeries

1056
01:12:36.640 --> 01:12:42.480
10 days a month and then comes back to his family in Ottawa where we only let them work as as a technician

1057
01:12:43.200 --> 01:12:45.360
And so UAE is a more

1058
01:12:45.440 --> 01:12:51.280
Technologically advanced country than Canada and eyeballs are the same in the UAE as they are in Canada

1059
01:12:51.680 --> 01:12:59.040
Immigrants in Canada have to historically been more educated than our Canadian foreign population just in terms of their credentials

1060
01:12:59.440 --> 01:13:04.560
But have not been able to fulfill their work because our licensing system shuts them out

1061
01:13:04.880 --> 01:13:11.200
So I want to fix that with a merit-based test that gets them into the high-paying jobs that will actually strengthen our economy

1062
01:13:12.800 --> 01:13:16.880
Much of the reason most people haven't posted content or got their personal brand is because

1063
01:13:17.440 --> 01:13:22.480
It's hard and it's time-consuming and we're all very very busy and if you've never posted something before

1064
01:13:23.360 --> 01:13:28.720
There's so many factors in your psychology that stop you wanting to post what people will think of you

1065
01:13:28.960 --> 01:13:37.280
Am I doing this right is the thing? I'm saying absolutely stupid all of these result in paralysis which means you don't post and your feed goes bare

1066
01:13:38.000 --> 01:13:40.400
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1068
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1069
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1070
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1086
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1087
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1088
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1090
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1092
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1093
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1095
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What is the biggest threat do you think to the western world and the western way of living?

1096
01:16:09.200 --> 01:16:11.920
Because people often you know point it wrong. They say China. They say Russia

1097
01:16:12.560 --> 01:16:15.040
I think it depends on what China decides to do

1098
01:16:15.760 --> 01:16:17.280
China is a

1099
01:16:17.760 --> 01:16:20.240
spectacular and brilliant civilization

1100
01:16:20.800 --> 01:16:22.800
With so much to contribute to the to world

1101
01:16:23.360 --> 01:16:25.360
Harmony if that's their choice

1102
01:16:26.000 --> 01:16:30.560
If the if the government decides that it's going to to to direct the immense

1103
01:16:31.360 --> 01:16:33.360
successes of that country towards

1104
01:16:34.560 --> 01:16:36.560
Trading and working with other countries

1105
01:16:37.120 --> 01:16:38.640
Then there's nothing to worry about

1106
01:16:38.640 --> 01:16:41.520
But if it is a very aggressive balacost approach

1107
01:16:42.240 --> 01:16:44.080
using technology

1108
01:16:44.080 --> 01:16:45.840
for espionage

1109
01:16:45.840 --> 01:16:48.560
Interference in foreign countries as they have done in Canada

1110
01:16:49.280 --> 01:16:50.880
invading Taiwan

1111
01:16:50.880 --> 01:16:58.080
Then China and Beijing in particular the regime could become the biggest risk and threat to our country and our world

1112
01:16:58.400 --> 01:17:03.440
What does history say about this kind of moment in time where there's seemingly two world powers?

1113
01:17:04.080 --> 01:17:07.120
Well, there is an incredible book called Thucydides Trap

1114
01:17:08.240 --> 01:17:10.240
Which a professor named Allison

1115
01:17:11.200 --> 01:17:13.360
Said that throughout history

1116
01:17:13.360 --> 01:17:17.200
He took I think 20 occasions where the

1117
01:17:18.320 --> 01:17:20.320
Where an incumbent superpower

1118
01:17:21.120 --> 01:17:23.920
Was caught up on by a challenging superpower

1119
01:17:24.480 --> 01:17:30.720
and in I think the majority of cases it did end up in war and now he said it's not necessary though

1120
01:17:31.200 --> 01:17:37.280
And it doesn't have to happen it can be avoided and he lays out a plan in his book for it to be avoided

1121
01:17:37.360 --> 01:17:39.360
I think it can be avoided as well

1122
01:17:39.600 --> 01:17:48.480
If Beijing can be made to understand that it isn't in the interest of China to be part of the community of nations to work collaboratively to trade freely

1123
01:17:49.040 --> 01:17:53.920
To be a partner rather than an enemy and I hope they make the right decision

1124
01:17:54.640 --> 01:18:02.160
Is it fair to say that the United States is really at war with China now already but just through proxy rules and other types of sort of economic wars and

1125
01:18:02.560 --> 01:18:06.160
Because now that they both have nuclear weapons you can't really have a

1126
01:18:06.800 --> 01:18:10.400
Direct conflict. Can you well? Let's put it this way

1127
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Venezuela

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01:18:15.440 --> 01:18:17.440
Iran Cuba

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01:18:17.680 --> 01:18:22.320
These are all countries that were in the realm of influence of Beijing and

1130
01:18:23.600 --> 01:18:27.840
They're the countries where the United States is pursuing a change

1131
01:18:28.560 --> 01:18:35.680
So there there is the the war that we watch on the evening news and the the real interest behind them that

1132
01:18:36.000 --> 01:18:41.440
That is driving it Canada doesn't have nuclear weapons doesn't know we do not why we made a decision

1133
01:18:41.440 --> 01:18:43.200
I think it was about

1134
01:18:43.200 --> 01:18:46.960
I want to say about 40 or 50 years ago not to pursue a nuclear arm

1135
01:18:46.960 --> 01:18:51.600
We didn't think we had any need to need for it lots of nuclear power lots of uranium

1136
01:18:51.600 --> 01:18:55.920
But we don't use it for or weaponry. Do you think Canada should have nuclear weapons?

1137
01:18:57.200 --> 01:19:01.280
I don't see a need for that. I don't know what we would get from it. We don't

1138
01:19:02.080 --> 01:19:06.320
We don't have any desire to to threaten anyone with nuclear weapons. So

1139
01:19:08.480 --> 01:19:10.480
I don't I don't see a purpose for that right now

1140
01:19:13.120 --> 01:19:15.760
What you think it's so quick Canadian

1141
01:19:16.800 --> 01:19:18.560
That's true

1142
01:19:18.560 --> 01:19:24.640
But listen, we are a warrior nation make no mistake about it. We were in the world wars two years before the Americans

1143
01:19:25.120 --> 01:19:26.800
And we we are

1144
01:19:27.760 --> 01:19:31.680
We're kind of like a wool a golden retriever. We're friendly. We're likeable

1145
01:19:32.400 --> 01:19:35.360
We like to get along, but if provoked, we will fight back

1146
01:19:35.760 --> 01:19:38.720
Canada is building up its military. Absolutely. Why?

1147
01:19:39.840 --> 01:19:44.720
Because there's a consensus that we have not done enough to protect our territory from

1148
01:19:45.360 --> 01:19:52.080
The incursions of hostile powers and we often say in Canada if you don't use it you lose it

1149
01:19:52.720 --> 01:19:57.360
There's large territories of our country that are very hard to live in. We have an incredible

1150
01:19:57.360 --> 01:19:58.960
Inuit population

1151
01:19:58.960 --> 01:20:05.840
But obviously, you know, you can't heavily populate the Arctic heart archipelago with industry and stuff

1152
01:20:05.840 --> 01:20:09.040
So how do you assert sovereignty over those treasured?

1153
01:20:09.440 --> 01:20:13.280
By territories will you have to have a military presence there? What's changed?

1154
01:20:14.800 --> 01:20:16.800
For Canada it's

1155
01:20:16.880 --> 01:20:22.000
It's that we want to maintain and ensure that we can make our own decisions without relying on the American

1156
01:20:22.400 --> 01:20:24.400
Because the Americans have expressed

1157
01:20:24.960 --> 01:20:29.520
That they are maybe not going to be as collaborative and friendly and we want to be able to decide for ourselves

1158
01:20:29.520 --> 01:20:31.040
We want to be masters in our own home

1159
01:20:32.000 --> 01:20:34.000
In Quebec, they say matrushing new

1160
01:20:34.000 --> 01:20:34.960
and

1161
01:20:34.960 --> 01:20:40.240
So if we want to control our own destiny and territory, we have to we have to be able to protect ourselves it has been

1162
01:20:41.600 --> 01:20:46.400
Very good for Canada to be next door to the biggest military power the world has ever seen and have

1163
01:20:47.040 --> 01:20:49.360
Friendly friendly relations that go back to

1164
01:20:50.320 --> 01:20:53.520
The early 1800s before we were even a country we had

1165
01:20:54.160 --> 01:20:57.280
Largely friendly relations with this enormous power

1166
01:20:57.600 --> 01:21:00.560
But what has become clear is that we cannot

1167
01:21:01.120 --> 01:21:04.720
Simply rely on the Americans to protect us. We have to be able to protect ourselves

1168
01:21:05.200 --> 01:21:11.040
And that requires a massive military buildup for a country of our size the second biggest country anywhere in the world

1169
01:21:11.040 --> 01:21:14.400
We have the longest oceanic coastline even longer than Russia. So

1170
01:21:15.360 --> 01:21:20.400
That takes money and it takes a buildup like we've never seen and that's what we're

1171
01:21:21.120 --> 01:21:24.800
We as Canadians agree has to happen now. This is in part because of Trump

1172
01:21:25.840 --> 01:21:31.520
In part, yes because Trump through the election and then they're often said that he was going to make Canada an American state

1173
01:21:33.200 --> 01:21:35.200
Which is never going to happen

1174
01:21:35.200 --> 01:21:41.520
But that you know with the leader of the most powerful military on earth says even jokingly

1175
01:21:42.240 --> 01:21:44.240
That they are about to take your country

1176
01:21:44.880 --> 01:21:46.400
You can laugh

1177
01:21:46.400 --> 01:21:48.240
But at the same time

1178
01:21:48.240 --> 01:21:53.200
One if I was leading Canada, I'd go wait is this possible? Are we ready to defend ourselves?

1179
01:21:53.920 --> 01:21:59.280
We as Canadians react very badly to that and we're we're we're not going to

1180
01:21:59.920 --> 01:22:03.760
Ever be the 51st state or or any part of the United States of America

1181
01:22:04.240 --> 01:22:08.640
The American people are our friends. They've been our top trading partner our closest ally

1182
01:22:09.440 --> 01:22:11.440
as President Kennedy said

1183
01:22:12.160 --> 01:22:15.280
History has made us friends economics has made us partners

1184
01:22:16.400 --> 01:22:20.000
Geography has made us neighbors and necessity has made us allies

1185
01:22:20.800 --> 01:22:21.920
Those whom

1186
01:22:21.920 --> 01:22:24.960
Nature have thus joined together let no man put a sunder

1187
01:22:25.520 --> 01:22:30.320
But he understood that that Canada was a separate country that had its own unique interests

1188
01:22:30.960 --> 01:22:38.320
And I think the American people understand that as well. I think the American people are very fond of Canada as a neighbor and friend

1189
01:22:39.120 --> 01:22:41.120
But they understand we will always be a sovereign country

1190
01:22:41.520 --> 01:22:42.720
You would have been

1191
01:22:42.720 --> 01:22:47.920
Negotiating with Trump right now if um the election the recent election in Canada had gone your way

1192
01:22:49.120 --> 01:22:50.560
This is a pretty uh

1193
01:22:50.560 --> 01:22:54.800
Pretty stark graph that I've just lit you it shows that you were leading in the polls

1194
01:22:55.680 --> 01:22:58.960
Seemingly up until the very very last moment in their elections

1195
01:22:59.520 --> 01:23:02.960
Is that accurate that poll? Yeah, I think that's probably a weighted average

1196
01:23:02.960 --> 01:23:05.120
But yeah, I think more or less what happened

1197
01:23:05.680 --> 01:23:12.080
Well, if you look what happened we are supported and dropped that much the other parties collapsed in behind the liberal party and

1198
01:23:12.960 --> 01:23:14.480
it was

1199
01:23:14.480 --> 01:23:16.480
largely due to the

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01:23:16.480 --> 01:23:21.280
The Canada US issue that you raised really so but at the same time we got the biggest

1201
01:23:21.760 --> 01:23:24.000
Vote count we had ever received and the

1202
01:23:24.800 --> 01:23:27.600
Highest share of vote that we've received since 1988

1203
01:23:28.240 --> 01:23:31.840
So we did perform very well our opponents performed even better

1204
01:23:32.480 --> 01:23:36.640
And now we have to build on the solid base that we've accumulated in order

1205
01:23:37.200 --> 01:23:40.880
To win the next election just as the election comes into the home stretch

1206
01:23:41.440 --> 01:23:47.760
You're polling but basically stays the same um slight little bit of a drop but roughly stays the same

1207
01:23:48.560 --> 01:23:51.600
What caused the drop in that sort of home stretch there?

1208
01:23:52.240 --> 01:23:57.040
Do you think what one of the challenges I had was I wanted to focus on the things that we're going on in people's lives

1209
01:23:57.920 --> 01:23:59.200
the

1210
01:23:59.200 --> 01:24:05.920
Doubling of housing costs the rising crime rate the inflation crisis and my solutions to all of those problems

1211
01:24:06.480 --> 01:24:11.840
But a lot of that was swept off of the conversation because everyone was focused suddenly

1212
01:24:12.400 --> 01:24:15.040
on the the tariffs and the president

1213
01:24:15.520 --> 01:24:20.640
The president saying that he was going to take Canada as a state but also him saying that he was going to apply tariffs

1214
01:24:20.960 --> 01:24:23.520
That's right and those tariffs are still in place

1215
01:24:24.480 --> 01:24:26.720
Why did that impact you in help mark Connie?

1216
01:24:27.680 --> 01:24:30.000
That's a good question. I think I think it allowed

1217
01:24:31.120 --> 01:24:38.080
The conversation to move away from the domestic record of the government and on to two external factors

1218
01:24:38.560 --> 01:24:41.440
And that always helps the incumbent and hurts the challenger

1219
01:24:42.640 --> 01:24:50.000
How was this emotionally? Oh, it was a roller coaster and it was like some things were changing so fast and moving so quickly

1220
01:24:50.400 --> 01:24:52.160
In the moment, it's like

1221
01:24:52.160 --> 01:24:56.240
You don't really have time to feel anything. You're just doing so much so quickly

1222
01:24:57.040 --> 01:24:58.880
That um your emotions

1223
01:25:00.480 --> 01:25:05.520
They're put on delay until after it's all over so after it's all over. What's wonderful side to it? That's

1224
01:25:06.480 --> 01:25:08.480
Yes in your family

1225
01:25:08.480 --> 01:25:11.920
You said the emotions came off though because you were going going going going going going

1226
01:25:12.000 --> 01:25:16.560
Yes, so my leadership started in 2022 as we're coming out of covid

1227
01:25:17.520 --> 01:25:22.640
And there were so many people who placed so much hope in me who had suffered so much

1228
01:25:22.720 --> 01:25:24.720
They would tell me they felt like they lost

1229
01:25:24.720 --> 01:25:29.280
Control of their lives and that they vested hope in me so I'd get young people would say

1230
01:25:29.920 --> 01:25:34.400
You have to win because I want to start a family and I can't start a family in this

1231
01:25:35.120 --> 01:25:37.120
economy or

1232
01:25:37.680 --> 01:25:40.400
Mothers would say we just can't afford food anymore or

1233
01:25:41.280 --> 01:25:43.600
Police officers say I've arrested the same guy

1234
01:25:44.240 --> 01:25:46.240
Four times this week and he keeps getting released

1235
01:25:46.960 --> 01:25:51.120
You have to win to fix these problems. It's not about you mr. Pollyyev

1236
01:25:51.200 --> 01:25:54.800
It's about the stuff that's happening in our lives and and you have to fix it

1237
01:25:55.680 --> 01:26:01.280
You know, uh, I had a lady come to one of my rallies because when you vote in a to choose a leader of a party

1238
01:26:02.080 --> 01:26:04.240
You have to pay fifteen dollars to join the party

1239
01:26:04.720 --> 01:26:05.680
and

1240
01:26:05.680 --> 01:26:11.920
She came up and told me about her life story and then she went up to the membership desk and said can I borrow eight dollars

1241
01:26:12.800 --> 01:26:16.720
And they said whoa, what do you need it for? So well, I only have seven dollars

1242
01:26:17.040 --> 01:26:20.240
They said oh cool. There's a bank machine downstairs. You can go get some more cash

1243
01:26:21.040 --> 01:26:26.400
And she says I don't have a bank cart and they said well, is there perhaps could you go to your car and get some money

1244
01:26:26.400 --> 01:26:29.280
She said well, I don't have any money in my car. What about your home?

1245
01:26:30.080 --> 01:26:31.200
um

1246
01:26:31.200 --> 01:26:35.280
Because we're not allowed to buy them under the rules for other people and she said I don't have a home

1247
01:26:35.280 --> 01:26:38.560
I live in my car and the seven dollars is all the money I own

1248
01:26:39.040 --> 01:26:43.600
And I'm spending it on a membership so that I can vote for mr. Pollyyev because he is my only hope

1249
01:26:44.080 --> 01:26:46.080
This is the only chance I have

1250
01:26:46.560 --> 01:26:47.840
so

1251
01:26:47.840 --> 01:26:51.760
I wanted to deliver for these people and when we didn't win

1252
01:26:52.400 --> 01:26:55.200
I felt I felt terrible that I hadn't delivered for them

1253
01:26:56.000 --> 01:27:01.360
What does that look like the disappointment of not delivering for people the night of election the day after

1254
01:27:01.920 --> 01:27:05.200
If I'm watching you as a fly on the world. What do I see you know?

1255
01:27:05.200 --> 01:27:08.240
I didn't spend a lot of time on that. I just got back at it

1256
01:27:08.720 --> 01:27:13.840
Because at the end of the day you have to focus on what you can control and my my approach in life is to

1257
01:27:14.560 --> 01:27:17.040
zero in on what is in your control

1258
01:27:17.680 --> 01:27:23.360
That is the greatest thing you can do for your mental health and for your output as a person

1259
01:27:23.840 --> 01:27:29.120
I believe in a stoic approach. So I didn't spend a lot of time sort of rolling around on the ground

1260
01:27:29.920 --> 01:27:31.920
um in melancholy

1261
01:27:32.480 --> 01:27:37.200
Do you think if Trump hadn't have said the thing about taking canada and he hadn't have done the tarfs

1262
01:27:37.760 --> 01:27:40.480
You would be leaving canada right now. We'll never know

1263
01:27:40.560 --> 01:27:44.720
I mean these are the kinds of things you speculate about but at the end of the day

1264
01:27:44.720 --> 01:27:47.280
What what good does it does it do to speculate?

1265
01:27:47.280 --> 01:27:49.360
And I also don't like to make excuses

1266
01:27:49.600 --> 01:27:51.600
I don't like to say look I'm

1267
01:27:51.600 --> 01:27:56.960
If this person hadn't done x then I then I would be in charge. I have to own my result and that's what I do

1268
01:27:57.440 --> 01:28:00.880
As someone that doesn't know a ton about this stuff. I'm asking kind of for me

1269
01:28:01.600 --> 01:28:03.600
I find it interesting to see how consequential

1270
01:28:04.240 --> 01:28:06.000
These what do they call them not um

1271
01:28:06.720 --> 01:28:12.080
Butterfly facts or yes, how the unexpected dominoes can fall and change the course of history

1272
01:28:12.720 --> 01:28:14.720
So if Trump hadn't have said those things

1273
01:28:15.120 --> 01:28:17.120
If we were to speculate

1274
01:28:17.120 --> 01:28:18.960
Do you think it would have changed the outcome of the election?

1275
01:28:19.840 --> 01:28:24.400
I don't know because we we don't know what would have happened in absent of that if you have to bet your house

1276
01:28:24.800 --> 01:28:26.800
I don't have to bet my host

1277
01:28:27.840 --> 01:28:32.240
I don't I don't want to blame someone else for the outcome of the election because at the end of the day

1278
01:28:32.240 --> 01:28:35.120
The people voted and they made their decision. I have to be at peace with that

1279
01:28:35.520 --> 01:28:42.560
So I can't spend my time thinking on what ifs because if that what if hadn't happened and there might have been another what if so

1280
01:28:43.120 --> 01:28:45.440
I have to focus on what I can control

1281
01:28:46.080 --> 01:28:49.040
dealing with those moments you mentioned stoicism. Yeah, I found this book

1282
01:28:49.840 --> 01:28:56.000
Meditations by Marcus Surrelius. Yes, I think was quite formative for how you see things in some respects and generally stoicism

1283
01:28:56.480 --> 01:29:00.560
Yes, I'm it's it's a great book the amazing thing about it is he's so readable

1284
01:29:01.040 --> 01:29:02.560
Like he talks about um

1285
01:29:03.520 --> 01:29:05.760
This is just a random page, but it's a very interesting

1286
01:29:06.320 --> 01:29:10.880
excerpt when you wake up in the morning tell yourself the people I deal with today will be meddling

1287
01:29:10.960 --> 01:29:13.440
Ungrateful arrogant dishonest jealous and surly

1288
01:29:13.920 --> 01:29:17.200
They're like this because they can't tell good from ego evil

1289
01:29:17.680 --> 01:29:22.480
But if you go and read it what it basically says is expect these things and

1290
01:29:23.440 --> 01:29:29.280
If you do and but but don't be controlled by them. These are control these are factors outside of your control

1291
01:29:30.000 --> 01:29:33.440
Put all of your emphasis on the things that are within your control

1292
01:29:33.840 --> 01:29:36.080
And it will bring a tremendous amount of peace

1293
01:29:36.800 --> 01:29:40.320
Because when you are focused on what you can control you're the boss of your life

1294
01:29:40.960 --> 01:29:43.360
And that's what that's what stoicism has done for me

1295
01:29:44.160 --> 01:29:47.360
I heard you say you're not the you know acted upon that's right

1296
01:29:48.240 --> 01:29:50.320
When you're when you focus on what you can control

1297
01:29:50.960 --> 01:29:56.400
You are the actor rather than the acted upon if you say if you spend a lot of your time thinking about the things you can

1298
01:29:56.640 --> 01:29:58.880
Cannot control then you become a helpless victim

1299
01:29:59.680 --> 01:30:06.880
Whereas if you if you focus on what you can then you you become like the driver of the car you decide where it goes and

1300
01:30:07.680 --> 01:30:09.920
You know as my favorite poem says

1301
01:30:10.640 --> 01:30:12.640
Invictus that

1302
01:30:12.720 --> 01:30:15.280
Nelson Mandelius to read himself when he was in prison

1303
01:30:16.080 --> 01:30:21.920
For all those years in South Africa he would he would recite to himself the poem Invictus to remind him

1304
01:30:22.480 --> 01:30:26.960
That he he could focus on what he was in control of which was his own soul

1305
01:30:27.760 --> 01:30:31.840
I am the master of my fate. I am the captain of my soul

1306
01:30:32.480 --> 01:30:35.760
Is how it ends and that that gives you a lot of peace

1307
01:30:36.640 --> 01:30:41.840
One of the things you often find in stoicism another sort of teachings of that time is this idea of being

1308
01:30:42.240 --> 01:30:46.720
Flexibly minded in terms of being able to learn and being growth minded and being able to evolve

1309
01:30:47.280 --> 01:30:51.200
I was wondering as you went on that campaign trail and generally over the last 10 years of your career

1310
01:30:51.440 --> 01:30:56.960
It's it's clear to me that your your core principles have been quite consistent. Mm-hmm. I have this um

1311
01:30:58.400 --> 01:31:03.280
This document you wrote when you were I think 20 years old, which is part of a contest

1312
01:31:03.920 --> 01:31:09.600
Which won 10,000 dollars. That's right. For explaining what you would do if you were prime minister

1313
01:31:10.800 --> 01:31:14.560
If you were leading Canada you even dug up the check. I found the check. It wasn't cashed

1314
01:31:15.200 --> 01:31:16.960
I think we'll go ahead of lunch

1315
01:31:17.040 --> 01:31:23.280
So you won 10,000 dollars for submitting this yes when you were 20 years old explaining what you would do

1316
01:31:23.680 --> 01:31:26.400
If you ever became the prime minister. Yes

1317
01:31:26.960 --> 01:31:31.360
And I would like you to actually just read the opening three paragraphs because it does um

1318
01:31:32.160 --> 01:31:34.480
It is quite interesting to see how you've evolved if at all

1319
01:31:34.800 --> 01:31:39.360
Could you just read those first three paragraphs and share any of the context which I might have excluded

1320
01:31:39.760 --> 01:31:43.680
Sure, although we Canadian seldom recognize that the most important gardening

1321
01:31:44.320 --> 01:31:46.640
Guardian of our living standards is freedom

1322
01:31:46.960 --> 01:31:50.400
Freedom to earn a living and share the fruits of our labor with loved ones

1323
01:31:50.800 --> 01:31:55.040
The freedom to build personal prosperity through risk-taking and strong work ethic

1324
01:31:55.440 --> 01:32:02.400
The freedom of thought and speech the freedom to make personal choices and the collective freedom of citizens to govern their own affairs democratically

1325
01:32:03.120 --> 01:32:10.080
Governments job is to constantly find ways to remove itself from obstructing such freedoms human beings are graced

1326
01:32:10.560 --> 01:32:12.400
With the gifts of creativity

1327
01:32:12.400 --> 01:32:18.400
Wisdom and ingenuity the best way for a society to go about improving its living standards is to allow

1328
01:32:18.720 --> 01:32:22.560
citizens to apply these qualities to the challenges of everyday life

1329
01:32:22.960 --> 01:32:28.160
asking a prime minister to single-handedly improve the living standards of 30 million of the world's brightest

1330
01:32:28.800 --> 01:32:32.800
Is as about as realistic as asking him to take to an Olympic

1331
01:32:33.280 --> 01:32:38.080
Sprinting track to help a lineup of world-class athletes reach the finish line

1332
01:32:38.560 --> 01:32:43.920
The more the government becomes involved in the race the greater the number of hurdles competitors will encounter

1333
01:32:44.160 --> 01:32:46.160
Therefore as prime minister

1334
01:32:46.160 --> 01:32:51.840
What I would do to improve living standards is not as nearly as important as what I would not do as prime minister

1335
01:32:51.840 --> 01:32:59.680
I would relinquish to citizens as much of my social political and economic control as possible leaving people to cultivate their own personal prosperity

1336
01:32:59.920 --> 01:33:02.960
And to govern their own affairs as directly as possible

1337
01:33:03.920 --> 01:33:08.480
In the last decades since you've been out in the road more speaking to people campaigning

1338
01:33:09.520 --> 01:33:11.520
Where have your views evolved?

1339
01:33:14.400 --> 01:33:20.400
I would say my temperament has mature 10 years ago. I did not have a wife and kids

1340
01:33:21.040 --> 01:33:25.680
As a father you end up having to grow in a tremendous amount of patience because kids

1341
01:33:25.680 --> 01:33:29.600
Don't do what they're told or they have needs that are that must supersede your own

1342
01:33:30.160 --> 01:33:32.160
You're constantly making

1343
01:33:32.160 --> 01:33:34.160
compromises

1344
01:33:34.160 --> 01:33:38.240
With a spouse in order to juggle all of the difficulties of family life

1345
01:33:38.880 --> 01:33:43.040
And that necessarily spills over into your political approach

1346
01:33:43.520 --> 01:33:45.520
I think temperamentally I've changed

1347
01:33:46.240 --> 01:33:48.240
I'm much more careful

1348
01:33:48.240 --> 01:33:49.280
and

1349
01:33:49.280 --> 01:33:51.280
Thoughtful than I was

1350
01:33:51.280 --> 01:33:54.320
Say in my late 20s and in early 30s

1351
01:33:55.280 --> 01:34:00.160
The people that have you know opposition parties have often referred to as Trump light

1352
01:34:00.800 --> 01:34:02.800
And what do they base that on?

1353
01:34:02.880 --> 01:34:06.800
I guess because you're both conservatives. I guess that would be much of the the argument

1354
01:34:06.800 --> 01:34:11.760
And you both you both have spoken out against this term workism and d.i

1355
01:34:12.480 --> 01:34:13.760
Yeah, look I

1356
01:34:13.760 --> 01:34:18.000
On the on d.i. And I don't think that is something particular to president

1357
01:34:18.800 --> 01:34:23.520
Trump. I mean, there's a lot of people around the world who for their own reasons

1358
01:34:24.480 --> 01:34:26.880
And based on their own experiences

1359
01:34:27.520 --> 01:34:29.680
Have criticized that particular ideology

1360
01:34:29.680 --> 01:34:34.320
What I think has changed is that liberals used to believe in liberty

1361
01:34:34.800 --> 01:34:37.280
And conservatives believed in conserving it

1362
01:34:37.280 --> 01:34:40.720
You know, they used to say liberals were the gas pedal conservatives were the break

1363
01:34:41.200 --> 01:34:44.480
But we were both heading in generally the same direction

1364
01:34:45.040 --> 01:34:52.480
But what I think happened with wokeism is that it it it is a deeply illiberal ideology

1365
01:34:53.360 --> 01:34:57.600
It is liberalism traditional liberalism was was a colorblind ideology

1366
01:34:57.840 --> 01:35:01.040
It was based on total equality

1367
01:35:01.920 --> 01:35:03.440
regardless of gender

1368
01:35:03.440 --> 01:35:05.920
sexuality race or anything else

1369
01:35:06.960 --> 01:35:12.960
Wokeism is exactly the opposite of that. It's it like accentuates all of those differences and disagreements

1370
01:35:13.280 --> 01:35:17.120
groups people based on what should be a relevant characteristics like race

1371
01:35:17.760 --> 01:35:23.600
And gender and then having divided people into groups. It seeks to expand state control over their lives

1372
01:35:23.920 --> 01:35:29.680
What I believe in is is treating people as individuals and letting them live their own lives

1373
01:35:30.000 --> 01:35:32.400
judging them exclusively on their own merits

1374
01:35:32.960 --> 01:35:38.400
And I think that was the consensus view of both liberals and conservatives up until

1375
01:35:39.200 --> 01:35:40.480
This

1376
01:35:40.480 --> 01:35:43.120
toxic ideology came along and divided people

1377
01:35:43.520 --> 01:35:46.720
One of the things I you know, I'm a black man. Mm-hmm. I was

1378
01:35:47.200 --> 01:35:50.240
moved from Botswana when I was a baby and came to the UK and

1379
01:35:51.040 --> 01:35:55.280
Thank God there was sort of social systems in place because I don't think that I had had the outcomes

1380
01:35:55.280 --> 01:35:58.000
I'd had one of the things that I did know that when I was

1381
01:35:58.640 --> 01:36:01.760
18 dropped out of university and started to get into world of business

1382
01:36:02.000 --> 01:36:06.000
Is I was aware because when you look at like funding data for entrepreneurs that are

1383
01:36:06.640 --> 01:36:08.640
Black or especially women

1384
01:36:09.040 --> 01:36:11.760
It's clear that there's like a systemic disadvantage of some sort

1385
01:36:12.400 --> 01:36:16.640
And I wonder someone like yourself who's against this sort of de-ideology

1386
01:36:16.720 --> 01:36:19.600
How do you contend with like systemic institutional

1387
01:36:20.240 --> 01:36:23.040
discrimination towards certain groups which does pose

1388
01:36:23.360 --> 01:36:29.440
Objectively real disadvantage on them being able to climb the ladder because you said something earlier about your goal being

1389
01:36:30.160 --> 01:36:32.960
In Canada to make sure everybody like has a fair shot. That's right

1390
01:36:33.600 --> 01:36:40.480
How does one counteract the systemic issues around race or gender or whatever it might be that stop that being possible

1391
01:36:41.280 --> 01:36:44.160
Because I I find myself in an interesting position where like on one end

1392
01:36:44.240 --> 01:36:46.720
I'm like I want to be treated like everybody else right

1393
01:36:46.880 --> 01:36:50.080
I've always felt that way and I've always I've always actually to some degree

1394
01:36:50.960 --> 01:36:53.120
cringed a little bit when I felt like someone was

1395
01:36:53.920 --> 01:36:55.920
giving me special treatment

1396
01:36:57.360 --> 01:37:03.200
Because my skin color was different because it in some way made me feel like I was at a disadvantage

1397
01:37:03.200 --> 01:37:06.640
Which I know can become quite self-fulfilling however on the other side of the spectrum

1398
01:37:07.360 --> 01:37:09.840
I do also believe that there is like systemic

1399
01:37:10.480 --> 01:37:15.280
Discrimination that is going to hold certain groups back if there isn't something

1400
01:37:16.160 --> 01:37:18.320
Done to level that playing field

1401
01:37:19.120 --> 01:37:20.320
So

1402
01:37:20.320 --> 01:37:26.720
Look, I think the answer is equality there has to be strict equality and equal treatment regardless of race gender

1403
01:37:27.520 --> 01:37:30.240
Ethnicity religion and that is the

1404
01:37:30.960 --> 01:37:35.200
That is the ideal to which we were all striving and I think if we get back to that

1405
01:37:35.840 --> 01:37:40.160
Then we can give everybody a chance to achieve based on their own merit

1406
01:37:40.800 --> 01:37:45.040
What we need is a meritocracy that is colorblind and

1407
01:37:45.760 --> 01:37:47.760
And judges people based on what they can do

1408
01:37:48.240 --> 01:37:50.240
People aren't colorblind though are they?

1409
01:37:50.240 --> 01:37:53.760
No, I think I my dad said to me when I was young and he said everybody's prejudice

1410
01:37:53.920 --> 01:37:55.760
I remember sitting in the back of the car my dad's white

1411
01:37:57.200 --> 01:38:01.520
I'm thinking my dad just said that he thinks everyone might be like might be racist and everyone's prejudice

1412
01:38:02.160 --> 01:38:05.200
Dad races, but as I've got an older

1413
01:38:05.200 --> 01:38:10.240
I realized that he to some degree is telling the truth that prejudice is part of how we survived as humans

1414
01:38:10.240 --> 01:38:15.600
We're able to understand danger from not so prejudices something that I think is very prevalent in society whether we

1415
01:38:16.320 --> 01:38:17.920
Believe we're not and everyone else is

1416
01:38:18.640 --> 01:38:21.920
So if prejudices very prevalent in society does there need to be measures

1417
01:38:23.040 --> 01:38:30.800
That counteract that to give everybody a fair chance our institutions have to be conscious about making sure that we are judging people based on their merit

1418
01:38:31.360 --> 01:38:33.920
And they should you know work aggressively to

1419
01:38:34.800 --> 01:38:39.200
Make sure that there is that everyone regardless of where they come from their background

1420
01:38:40.000 --> 01:38:44.800
Has a chance to succeed get the job get the promotion move up the ladder

1421
01:38:45.600 --> 01:38:51.600
I don't think that is achieved by breaking people down into more and more different groups and divisions

1422
01:38:52.240 --> 01:38:53.760
by trying to

1423
01:38:53.760 --> 01:38:55.760
Build the barriers between paid people

1424
01:38:56.560 --> 01:39:00.320
Based on race and gender. I think it's by actually removing them

1425
01:39:00.320 --> 01:39:05.120
So that the problem I have with with wokeism is it it seems almost designed

1426
01:39:05.920 --> 01:39:12.720
To divide people and that is exactly the opposite of the objective that we all sought when we

1427
01:39:13.600 --> 01:39:18.640
When we pushed for racial equality and personal and personal freedom and responsibility

1428
01:39:18.800 --> 01:39:22.480
How does one contend with the systemic issues though? They're like the prejudices

1429
01:39:22.880 --> 01:39:27.280
I remember reading about studies where like if you they got a bunch of people and got them to apply for jobs

1430
01:39:27.680 --> 01:39:29.680
And just based on the names

1431
01:39:29.680 --> 01:39:35.520
Whether they were like a typically white name versus say a typically black name the response rate is markedly different

1432
01:39:37.040 --> 01:39:38.800
Well, I go back to my first principles

1433
01:39:38.800 --> 01:39:43.040
I think that government is responsible for a lot of the barriers that are put in place

1434
01:39:43.840 --> 01:39:45.680
So let me give you some examples

1435
01:39:45.680 --> 01:39:50.000
When government brings into place these anti-housing policies that I described

1436
01:39:50.400 --> 01:39:53.120
They that they impact far more on

1437
01:39:53.680 --> 01:39:56.880
minorities and disadvantaged people than they do unestablished

1438
01:39:57.760 --> 01:40:03.120
People obviously because if you're new to a country or you come from a poor background

1439
01:40:03.200 --> 01:40:08.400
You won't have a house and then you're the one is going to pay the biggest price for the fact that government is making housing

1440
01:40:08.560 --> 01:40:09.600
unaffordable

1441
01:40:09.600 --> 01:40:14.160
If you think at the occupational licensing rules that I just described that block immigrants from having

1442
01:40:14.480 --> 01:40:16.960
Working in their professions even when they're thoroughly qualified

1443
01:40:17.440 --> 01:40:22.720
Those are government-imposed obstacles that prevent people from getting ahead also

1444
01:40:23.680 --> 01:40:26.240
A lot of these soft and crime policies have been sold to us

1445
01:40:26.960 --> 01:40:32.480
On the grounds that they're going to help minorities by ensuring that we don't have as high a conviction rate

1446
01:40:32.560 --> 01:40:35.440
Well, what they've actually done is that in many minority communities

1447
01:40:35.920 --> 01:40:40.400
We're the law-biting people are now suffering as a result of

1448
01:40:40.800 --> 01:40:44.400
Criminals of all backgrounds and so

1449
01:40:45.200 --> 01:40:51.440
Ironically, it's actually government policies that are causing people of disadvantaged backgrounds to suffer even more

1450
01:40:52.080 --> 01:40:53.760
So wokeism

1451
01:40:53.760 --> 01:41:01.600
Accentuates all of those problems rather than solving them. So I'm interested in solving problems to give everybody the opportunity to live a safe affordable

1452
01:41:02.240 --> 01:41:09.840
Opportunity-filled life and wokeism is not doing that the actually get creating a free market free enterprise economy

1453
01:41:09.920 --> 01:41:17.280
With free people who have free speech that that's the single best way to give people of all racial backgrounds a better chance in life

1454
01:41:17.520 --> 01:41:23.920
Again, I'm holding the position of the DEI to try and I like the clash of ideas because it helps me to think through these things

1455
01:41:23.920 --> 01:41:25.920
I've never had the chance to ask somebody

1456
01:41:25.920 --> 01:41:29.760
These kind of questions before and on that point of housing one of the things that I I found to be quite

1457
01:41:30.320 --> 01:41:36.960
Surprising was that black mortgage applicants are up to 200 percent more likely to be denied a home loan

1458
01:41:37.360 --> 01:41:40.000
Then white applicants with the similar financial profile

1459
01:41:40.720 --> 01:41:43.440
This is in Canada these stats are for the worst so okay, but

1460
01:41:44.480 --> 01:41:46.480
But what is going on there

1461
01:41:46.560 --> 01:41:54.880
Because it says that they have similar financial profiles yet that their applications are being denied up to 200 percent more

1462
01:41:55.840 --> 01:41:57.120
than

1463
01:41:57.120 --> 01:42:03.840
White home buyers so I had not seen those data that data point before but I would say that this is these sound like really stupid bankers

1464
01:42:04.800 --> 01:42:11.200
Because they're making a bad decision to deny people a mortgage and ultimately deny themselves the business

1465
01:42:12.000 --> 01:42:17.520
If they're if that's how they're making their judgments and then DI comes in to make sure that their judgments are stupid

1466
01:42:18.160 --> 01:42:21.360
Well, I'm not sure that DEI cures stupidity though

1467
01:42:22.160 --> 01:42:24.320
In some cases we've seen it cause more

1468
01:42:24.800 --> 01:42:29.360
That's how it shows uprights like a logical next step which is there's prejudice going on in the system

1469
01:42:29.520 --> 01:42:32.560
Which is making it any any equal for some groups

1470
01:42:33.280 --> 01:42:38.160
And it's a corrupt DEI becomes this corrective measure so they're stupid bankers don't make stupid decisions

1471
01:42:38.800 --> 01:42:43.760
But but DEI has been in place now for several decades and how is it working

1472
01:42:44.400 --> 01:42:46.400
You're reading the statistics to show that it's not

1473
01:42:47.040 --> 01:42:50.880
So maybe it's not actually doing what it's designed to do. Maybe it's doing other things

1474
01:42:51.200 --> 01:42:54.880
The other thing that I actually was really keen to talk about just realized is um sure is this

1475
01:42:55.200 --> 01:42:57.200
Oh

1476
01:42:57.200 --> 01:42:58.880
That's a little Valentina there

1477
01:42:59.040 --> 01:43:05.440
She loves to be on daddy's shoulders. How does Valentina is seven years old seven years old and she's she's non-verbal

1478
01:43:05.600 --> 01:43:08.320
She's non-verbal. Yes. What does what does non-verbal mean

1479
01:43:09.840 --> 01:43:11.840
She is autistic. She's on the spectrum

1480
01:43:12.880 --> 01:43:14.560
so um

1481
01:43:14.560 --> 01:43:22.080
She her biggest the biggest difference between Valentina and other children is the ability to communicate verbally

1482
01:43:22.880 --> 01:43:23.440
um

1483
01:43:23.440 --> 01:43:27.760
So we're working very hard on that. She's making some encouraging progress

1484
01:43:28.480 --> 01:43:31.200
But she does have some challenges in that area

1485
01:43:31.920 --> 01:43:38.320
She's a very acrobatic and rambunxious. She loves to climb swing bounce jump

1486
01:43:39.280 --> 01:43:46.000
And she is extremely affectionate and one of the superpower she has is that whatever she does she does 100 percent

1487
01:43:46.400 --> 01:43:48.560
She's also 100 percent authentic

1488
01:43:49.280 --> 01:43:53.760
So and that's not the case once kids get old enough to manipulate to get what they want

1489
01:43:54.080 --> 01:43:59.200
They can put on acts and artifices. She doesn't do that. She's a the real deal all the time

1490
01:44:00.080 --> 01:44:02.640
You know exactly how she feels because she indicates it

1491
01:44:03.360 --> 01:44:07.280
And she's very blessed to have a little brother cruise who

1492
01:44:08.080 --> 01:44:11.280
Adores her and treats her better than anyone else. He in the world

1493
01:44:12.240 --> 01:44:16.400
I often hear parents talk about their concerns with

1494
01:44:17.280 --> 01:44:20.000
You know someone like Valentina growing up in the world as non-verbal

1495
01:44:20.000 --> 01:44:22.960
You're not going to be here forever to protect her and you know

1496
01:44:23.280 --> 01:44:27.680
Sanji before my brother has three kids under the age of what seven years old now and I've noticed

1497
01:44:28.240 --> 01:44:30.240
just how much he thinks about

1498
01:44:31.280 --> 01:44:32.800
How they're going to be when he's not here?

1499
01:44:33.520 --> 01:44:37.440
How does that relate to Valentina being non-verbal and how you think about the future?

1500
01:44:38.160 --> 01:44:42.560
Well a lot of things like one we obviously have to build up a nest egg for her

1501
01:44:43.120 --> 01:44:45.920
so that if she can't earn income she will have

1502
01:44:46.880 --> 01:44:49.680
The resources for a great life after we're gone

1503
01:44:50.320 --> 01:44:54.560
And second we're really hoping that there are we forage a very permanent and

1504
01:44:57.200 --> 01:45:01.520
Deep bond between her and her brother cruise because he will be there and

1505
01:45:02.240 --> 01:45:07.200
He one of the things he says again and again is my job is to protect Valentina from bad guys

1506
01:45:07.600 --> 01:45:09.120
So

1507
01:45:09.120 --> 01:45:14.160
This is a good attitude especially that they are actually in the same class even though she's older

1508
01:45:14.160 --> 01:45:20.400
She is in his class at school and so she's daddy he's daddy's eyes to protect

1509
01:45:21.040 --> 01:45:23.760
Our little princess, but I think when he's older

1510
01:45:24.320 --> 01:45:28.640
I believe based on his nature that he's going to be there for her and

1511
01:45:29.440 --> 01:45:31.440
We are building a plan towards that

1512
01:45:31.920 --> 01:45:34.640
My job is to protect Valentina from bad guys. That's right

1513
01:45:37.760 --> 01:45:39.520
It's it's a it's a great instinct

1514
01:45:41.040 --> 01:45:43.040
How has it changed your politics?

1515
01:45:47.120 --> 01:45:50.160
It's reinforced my sense of

1516
01:45:53.040 --> 01:45:56.640
Compassion for people who can't provide for themselves and you know

1517
01:45:56.640 --> 01:45:58.560
I've talked a lot about how government should be limited

1518
01:45:58.560 --> 01:46:05.840
I do think of there's a very real role for government to help people who genuinely cannot provide for themselves people

1519
01:46:05.920 --> 01:46:08.960
who suffer from with disabilities being probably the best example

1520
01:46:10.000 --> 01:46:11.200
and

1521
01:46:11.200 --> 01:46:18.800
It is reinforced to me that we have to also have policies that recognize the inherent worth of every individual

1522
01:46:19.920 --> 01:46:21.520
too often

1523
01:46:21.520 --> 01:46:28.960
Governments have seen people with disabilities as just someone they have to care for but not someone who can contribute

1524
01:46:29.760 --> 01:46:35.680
And I believe that everybody has something to contribute and that we should try to unlock that in every human being

1525
01:46:36.480 --> 01:46:39.520
Um, we don't know exactly what Valentina will do

1526
01:46:39.520 --> 01:46:43.360
But I believe she will do some kind of a job at some point in the future

1527
01:46:44.080 --> 01:46:51.280
And um, I'm very passionate about policies that enable people with disabilities to have work opportunities

1528
01:46:51.280 --> 01:46:58.400
Even if it's just very limited to design programs so that when they have a for example cash or medication support

1529
01:46:58.400 --> 01:47:01.360
It doesn't get robbed from them just because they get a job

1530
01:47:02.160 --> 01:47:08.800
So it is focused my mind a lot on people it gives you a sense of compassionate because when you see somebody who might be different

1531
01:47:09.760 --> 01:47:11.760
Like I see my daughter in that person

1532
01:47:12.160 --> 01:47:18.080
I see my daughter my wife is very good at this she'll see someone who might be acting differently in a crowd

1533
01:47:18.800 --> 01:47:23.440
And other people are looking at that person and she'll grab my hand she'll say I think he's autistic

1534
01:47:23.920 --> 01:47:27.600
And then she will often go and talk to that that boy and make him feel loved

1535
01:47:28.480 --> 01:47:29.520
So

1536
01:47:29.520 --> 01:47:36.960
Compassion is about feeling what the other person feels and you have about the greater ability to do that when there's a loved one close to you who has the experience

1537
01:47:39.280 --> 01:47:44.560
An interesting range of emotions to be the father the parent of a autistic child

1538
01:47:45.520 --> 01:47:52.640
Yes, I know this because I get messages on mass from our audience members who have an autistic child. Yes

1539
01:47:53.520 --> 01:47:56.160
What can you say to the range of emotions you feel

1540
01:47:57.120 --> 01:48:02.080
My wife was able to discern that there was something different about Valentina

1541
01:48:02.720 --> 01:48:06.080
Very early on when she was still a baby because she didn't make a lot of eye contact

1542
01:48:06.720 --> 01:48:10.720
And there was a period during which she was not very communicative at all

1543
01:48:11.360 --> 01:48:13.360
Even in ways that babies normally are

1544
01:48:14.080 --> 01:48:17.120
There wasn't a lot of reciprocal communication to start with

1545
01:48:18.560 --> 01:48:20.560
So when we went for the diagnosis

1546
01:48:21.520 --> 01:48:23.520
We were not that shocked

1547
01:48:23.760 --> 01:48:25.520
So you know in that when the

1548
01:48:26.320 --> 01:48:32.160
I think she was a nurse or she was a specialist gave us the diagnosis and she was like paused like waiting for us to burst into tears

1549
01:48:32.240 --> 01:48:36.720
I mean we were just kind of like yeah, we we expected that and let's get on with it

1550
01:48:37.040 --> 01:48:43.200
And then we just started doing the things that we had to do and my message to a parents of autistic children is just focus on what you can control

1551
01:48:43.280 --> 01:48:49.920
Get on to the things that you have to do get a speech therapist get to the play structures in the house that they live with Valentina

1552
01:48:50.160 --> 01:48:55.520
It's it's it's a it's about bouncy castle and a little trampoline and a lot of building blocks and

1553
01:48:56.160 --> 01:49:00.560
Enjoy them like they're she's so much fun like she's a fun little girl

1554
01:49:00.800 --> 01:49:04.400
She loves to jump she's scared of nothing if anything the problem

1555
01:49:04.400 --> 01:49:06.400
She's a pit too much of a daredevil

1556
01:49:06.720 --> 01:49:11.920
But she's she's a thrilling little girl to be around she loves to like you see all the pictures with her on my shoulder

1557
01:49:12.160 --> 01:49:15.760
Always loves to climb on my on my back and she loves to run

1558
01:49:16.000 --> 01:49:18.000
She loves me to run with her on her shoulders

1559
01:49:18.000 --> 01:49:25.520
So like enjoy the special things that they bring because they they they are magical. They're they're they're wonderful

1560
01:49:26.240 --> 01:49:31.920
They're just they they call it autism because they're auto they're in their own world. You can't

1561
01:49:32.960 --> 01:49:36.080
Force them to be in your world. You have to go into their world

1562
01:49:36.880 --> 01:49:38.880
and reach them there and

1563
01:49:39.440 --> 01:49:45.440
Understand that you know for her tapping on something might might give her a tremendous sensation that we can't appreciate

1564
01:49:46.560 --> 01:49:47.920
On the other side

1565
01:49:47.920 --> 01:49:52.640
Minor irritants that you and I would brush off might drive her completely crazy

1566
01:49:53.360 --> 01:49:56.160
And so if she's having a meltdown. It's not because she's a bad kid

1567
01:49:56.240 --> 01:49:58.480
It's because she's going through a horrific

1568
01:49:58.800 --> 01:50:00.640
Sensation that we can't quite understand

1569
01:50:01.440 --> 01:50:09.360
So but you just have to embrace it all and um, it's a lot of extra legwork that goes into a child that has these

1570
01:50:10.000 --> 01:50:12.640
Conditions, but it's worth it and it's rewarding in the end

1571
01:50:13.440 --> 01:50:18.640
She uh, you know, obviously not met her but from all the photos. She she makes she smile just looking at the photos

1572
01:50:18.960 --> 01:50:22.400
She makes everyone smile and she's got uh, she's very popular at school

1573
01:50:22.480 --> 01:50:28.400
The kids are very nice to her by the way like we we we get secondhand reports and it's like they love her

1574
01:50:28.800 --> 01:50:30.800
They're sweet to her

1575
01:50:31.440 --> 01:50:34.880
She has a little boy that has a crush on her so I'm keeping an eye on that

1576
01:50:35.440 --> 01:50:41.920
Um, but she's so affectionate like we went to a fall fair one time and there were these little old ladies sitting there

1577
01:50:42.000 --> 01:50:46.640
And Valentina just decided she liked this little lady went sat in her lap like complete stranger

1578
01:50:47.440 --> 01:50:50.400
But that's how she is she decides she likes you and you're in

1579
01:50:51.440 --> 01:50:57.120
What are your um, what are your closing statements? We've got listeners that are you know all over the world the United States Canada, Australia, the UK

1580
01:50:58.400 --> 01:51:01.120
Few them if you have to send one final message to them

1581
01:51:02.000 --> 01:51:05.600
What would that message be in this moment in time that we find ourselves in

1582
01:51:06.720 --> 01:51:10.560
Well, I'm actually optimistic about the future and I think Canada's got a very bright future

1583
01:51:10.880 --> 01:51:14.320
I think the world should look to Canada. We have the most resources of anyone in the world

1584
01:51:14.320 --> 01:51:18.320
We have probably the most diverse and educated population

1585
01:51:19.200 --> 01:51:22.320
We have the the most fresh water the

1586
01:51:23.760 --> 01:51:25.360
The second biggest landmass

1587
01:51:26.560 --> 01:51:30.720
And I think it's going the future belongs to Canada. We're going to be an incredible place

1588
01:51:31.120 --> 01:51:34.720
The MB of the world if um if we if we do the right things

1589
01:51:34.960 --> 01:51:38.000
I don't want to be a bit mystical about it, but I think it would help if I were prime minister as well

1590
01:51:38.960 --> 01:51:42.960
I love Canada's one of my favorite places in the world for so many reasons um

1591
01:51:42.960 --> 01:51:45.440
Well, I told you when I went to Toronto for the first time. I felt like I was at home

1592
01:51:46.080 --> 01:51:50.240
Yeah, because I think you know brits and Canadians have a lot in common absolutely including a king

1593
01:51:50.800 --> 01:51:56.560
Yeah, you would be very well received in Canada. So consider um, no, I love it are coming

1594
01:51:56.560 --> 01:52:02.000
I go all the time when whenever I'm uh whenever I'm invited to go and I've been once or twice on vacation as well

1595
01:52:02.000 --> 01:52:06.320
So I hope to be back there soon and uh actually going to do a tour there at some point with with the director

1596
01:52:06.400 --> 01:52:10.560
To meet all the people that listen, so very excited about that as well. Oh, you're bigger. You're bringing up big crowds

1597
01:52:10.880 --> 01:52:12.240
Oh, it'll be fun

1598
01:52:12.240 --> 01:52:16.560
We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for

1599
01:52:17.280 --> 01:52:19.280
And the question left for you is

1600
01:52:20.480 --> 01:52:22.480
hmm

1601
01:52:22.720 --> 01:52:28.160
What are you most afraid of and how do you deal with that fear?

1602
01:52:30.880 --> 01:52:32.880
Hmm

1603
01:52:33.040 --> 01:52:35.280
I don't have a lot of fears. I mean

1604
01:52:36.480 --> 01:52:38.640
For myself um

1605
01:52:38.640 --> 01:52:41.920
I was going back to family. It would be that something would happen to my kids

1606
01:52:43.200 --> 01:52:45.200
You know, it just

1607
01:52:45.200 --> 01:52:46.560
You hear uh

1608
01:52:46.560 --> 01:52:50.560
Terrible terrible things in the news. I was just um for you know, unfortunately

1609
01:52:50.560 --> 01:52:52.560
I had to go to a funeral for

1610
01:52:53.760 --> 01:52:56.480
mass shooting victims in Tumblr Ridge, British Columbia

1611
01:52:57.120 --> 01:53:02.160
And I just you know every parent worries about something happening to their kids

1612
01:53:02.160 --> 01:53:08.400
I think that would be my biggest fear. What about the kind of direct launch the biggest fear I have for Canada is that

1613
01:53:10.400 --> 01:53:12.800
we just keep

1614
01:53:12.800 --> 01:53:18.160
Blocking our own potential and declining and opportunity vanishes and slowly

1615
01:53:18.880 --> 01:53:21.520
Our people lose the promise that the country

1616
01:53:22.240 --> 01:53:26.000
gave me and so many generations and

1617
01:53:26.880 --> 01:53:31.360
So my fear is that we become the frog in boiling water and it just gets

1618
01:53:32.160 --> 01:53:37.600
Slowly warmer and warmer and warmer and the frog really never notices is that the trajectory of trouble

1619
01:53:38.640 --> 01:53:42.400
I think it is unfortunately, but I think we can change that trajectory

1620
01:53:42.960 --> 01:53:48.960
If we make some big reversals in direction and lastly, what about for the world generally the western world

1621
01:53:51.440 --> 01:53:55.920
I would say my biggest fear is that the western world does not stay true to its

1622
01:53:56.880 --> 01:53:58.880
foundational principles

1623
01:53:58.880 --> 01:54:02.640
I want the western world to stay true to the to the basic principles of

1624
01:54:03.360 --> 01:54:06.480
That the grew out of the magna carta freedom of

1625
01:54:07.040 --> 01:54:09.040
government that is servant

1626
01:54:09.040 --> 01:54:11.040
people that are masters and

1627
01:54:11.840 --> 01:54:13.520
That the

1628
01:54:13.520 --> 01:54:20.240
Freedom democracies not only succeed at home, but work together abroad to preserve that that civilization

1629
01:54:21.360 --> 01:54:25.680
Thank you so much. Thank you for taking the time to come have this conversation with me and on answering all of my questions

1630
01:54:26.320 --> 01:54:28.400
It's you know, I don't like interviewing politicians

1631
01:54:29.040 --> 01:54:37.280
Because they are very slippery right and they slip and slide away from answering things in a way that makes the the very essence of why we started this show feel like we're

1632
01:54:39.200 --> 01:54:42.240
Like we're not delivering for the audience who want to know the truth

1633
01:54:42.480 --> 01:54:48.960
Whether it's ugly or indifferent or whatever it might be and I really enjoyed the conversation because I feel like you answered my questions to the best of your ability

1634
01:54:49.040 --> 01:54:52.960
Thank you, and that's often that's not usually the case with politicians and thank you

1635
01:54:53.280 --> 01:54:55.520
I think they think that's the right approach

1636
01:54:56.160 --> 01:55:02.480
But actually I think in a world that's now more of a glass box than ever before and not a black box where you can paint the image of something on the outside

1637
01:55:02.960 --> 01:55:08.000
Being transparent and being willing to come into these environments and your team didn't tell me anything was off limits

1638
01:55:08.000 --> 01:55:10.160
They didn't say there was anything I couldn't ask you right

1639
01:55:10.240 --> 01:55:15.120
They didn't ask to be able to edit this and I would like more politicians to to follow in that vein

1640
01:55:25.920 --> 01:55:28.000
You