WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:04.000 Welcome to Syntax! 2 00:00:04.000 --> 00:00:08.000 Welcome to a brand new episode of the front-end happy hour podcast. 3 00:00:08.000 --> 00:00:12.000 Welcome to this week's JS Party! 4 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Live from ship-shaped studios, this is Whiskey Web and whatnot. 5 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:23.000 With your hosts Robbie the Wagner and me, Charles William Carpenter the third. 6 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:27.000 That's right Charles, we drink whiskey and talk about web development. 7 00:00:27.000 --> 00:00:30.000 I mean it's all in the name, it's not that deep. 8 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:36.000 This is, Whiskey Web and whatnot do not adjust your set. 9 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:41.000 Whiskey Web and whatnot is brought to you by... 10 00:00:41.000 --> 00:00:45.000 Today's episode is brought to you by Warp and their rad new cloud agents. 11 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:48.000 Check it out at oz.dev.oz.dev. 12 00:00:48.000 --> 00:00:50.000 You know we're already big fans of this app. 13 00:00:50.000 --> 00:00:52.000 I keep a long list of all the features that I love. 14 00:00:52.000 --> 00:00:56.000 Now with oz and Warp's cloud agent setup, I can escape my machine 15 00:00:56.000 --> 00:00:58.000 and trigger cloud coding agents from anywhere. 16 00:00:58.000 --> 00:01:01.000 From Warp, the OZLI, the web app, which I can do from my phone, 17 00:01:01.000 --> 00:01:06.000 Hell's Yeh, a Cron job, GitHub actions, or an SDK that they so graciously provide. 18 00:01:06.000 --> 00:01:07.000 Think about it. 19 00:01:07.000 --> 00:01:10.000 With just a Docker file you can front-load a sandbox with context 20 00:01:10.000 --> 00:01:13.000 and have agents open PRs across multiple repos at once, 21 00:01:13.000 --> 00:01:15.000 all with a single prompt. 22 00:01:15.000 --> 00:01:19.000 Warp rocks, enough said, all right back to the show. 23 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.000 Hey, what's up everybody? Welcome to Whiskey Web and whatnot 24 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:28.000 with your host, Robbie the Wagner and Adam Thomas, our guide, the nerd. 25 00:01:28.000 --> 00:01:31.000 You're absolutely right, Robbie. 26 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:32.000 Thank you. 27 00:01:32.000 --> 00:01:34.000 Yes, I've been hearing that a lot lately, 28 00:01:34.000 --> 00:01:38.000 so it must be because I am just so knowledgeable on so many things. 29 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:41.000 I've been hearing the thing a lot, which is, 30 00:01:41.000 --> 00:01:44.000 you're right, I should have checked my memory to do that, 31 00:01:44.000 --> 00:01:45.000 but it'll never happen again. 32 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:47.000 That's what I keep hearing over and over again. 33 00:01:47.000 --> 00:01:50.000 That'll never happen again, happens 20 minutes later. 34 00:01:50.000 --> 00:01:53.000 And I'm like, you just said you would never do it. 35 00:01:53.000 --> 00:01:55.000 You're lucky if it waits 20 minutes. 36 00:01:55.000 --> 00:01:58.000 Yeah, like trying to generate episode art, 37 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:01.000 the first one generated fine, but it didn't do what I wanted. 38 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.000 So I was like, oh, yeah, here's some tweaks to the prompt or whatever. 39 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:07.000 And then just a couple minutes later talking to the same thread, 40 00:02:07.000 --> 00:02:09.000 it was like, I forgot how to do it. 41 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:12.000 And I'm like, are we just did it? 42 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:13.000 Are you kidding me? 43 00:02:13.000 --> 00:02:15.000 Like not even no time at pass. 44 00:02:15.000 --> 00:02:17.000 So yeah, it's a man. 45 00:02:17.000 --> 00:02:20.000 I mean, I guess there's fixes for that, but we're still. 46 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:22.000 It's hard out here for us early adopters. 47 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:23.000 I'm also like cheap too. 48 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:26.000 So like I have all these open claw rules 49 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:29.000 and I'm like, you can't reread the whole thread when you answer me. 50 00:02:29.000 --> 00:02:30.000 That's just too expensive. 51 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:33.000 So you got to crawl one by one until you feel like you've got the answer. 52 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.000 And it just won't even crawl one now. 53 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:37.000 And that's why it's always so wrong. 54 00:02:37.000 --> 00:02:39.000 It's just like, I'm like, hey, go adjust that thing. 55 00:02:39.000 --> 00:02:40.000 And it's like, what thing? 56 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.000 I'm like, you're in a thread. 57 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.000 Oh, my goodness. 58 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:46.000 The site, we only have four messages in the thread right now. 59 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:48.000 And you can't know the, oh, my goodness. 60 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:49.000 Yeah. 61 00:02:49.000 --> 00:02:50.000 Yeah. 62 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:55.000 I mean, I talked about this probably back when AI still couldn't really do anything 63 00:02:55.000 --> 00:02:59.000 about how I'm waiting for the day that it's just super lazy. 64 00:02:59.000 --> 00:03:02.000 Like it's, if it's trying to emulate people, it's going to be lazy. 65 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:05.000 And it's going to be like, oh, God, I have to do work. 66 00:03:05.000 --> 00:03:06.000 Oh, man. 67 00:03:06.000 --> 00:03:07.000 Okay. 68 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:11.000 So I could go look at these docs or I could like Google search. 69 00:03:11.000 --> 00:03:15.000 Use the AI, like, break down and just assume that that's right. 70 00:03:15.000 --> 00:03:17.000 And like, take a little bit of info from that. 71 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:19.000 Hallucinate the rest and wrap it all up for you. 72 00:03:19.000 --> 00:03:22.000 And I think that's where we're at right now. 73 00:03:22.000 --> 00:03:23.000 Yep. 74 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:24.000 I'm seeing it already. 75 00:03:24.000 --> 00:03:27.000 I've had it say like, oh, I didn't do all the, because it was too hard. 76 00:03:27.000 --> 00:03:29.000 I was like, what do you mean too hard? 77 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:30.000 Wait. 78 00:03:30.000 --> 00:03:31.000 Yeah. 79 00:03:31.000 --> 00:03:34.000 Somebody, it's still not there. 80 00:03:34.000 --> 00:03:38.000 Everyone's like, it got so good at the end of 2025 into December. 81 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:39.000 It's just the whole world shifted. 82 00:03:40.000 --> 00:03:41.000 And I'm like, I don't know. 83 00:03:41.000 --> 00:03:42.000 It's still incremental. 84 00:03:42.000 --> 00:03:44.000 And I'm waiting for better models. 85 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:46.000 Well, it did get better. 86 00:03:46.000 --> 00:03:47.000 It got a lot better. 87 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.000 But the context issue remains. 88 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:52.000 Like, it's good until it compacts. 89 00:03:52.000 --> 00:03:53.000 And then it's bad. 90 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:57.000 Like if you need anything sufficiently complex, it's not good. 91 00:03:57.000 --> 00:04:00.000 If you need one thing, you can fit in the 1 million context window 92 00:04:00.000 --> 00:04:02.000 and just talk to it about that. 93 00:04:02.000 --> 00:04:03.000 It'll do a really good job. 94 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:08.000 It's like a, after 500,000 tokens, it's pretty much context rot anyway. 95 00:04:09.000 --> 00:04:12.000 So even trying to get to one, you're guaranteed to, 96 00:04:12.000 --> 00:04:16.000 you're not going to have good results using the 1 million context window 97 00:04:16.000 --> 00:04:18.000 because by the time it's that full, it's going to lose it all. 98 00:04:18.000 --> 00:04:19.000 Yeah. 99 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.000 So you should just can't keep it all in this memory. 100 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:22.000 Clamp it half a million anyway. 101 00:04:22.000 --> 00:04:23.000 Yeah. 102 00:04:23.000 --> 00:04:24.000 Okay. 103 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:25.000 Okay. 104 00:04:25.000 --> 00:04:26.000 I want to pour some whiskey and then I have a toast. 105 00:04:26.000 --> 00:04:27.000 Yes. 106 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:31.000 So before the computers delete our stuff, let's drain every cask in the village of Muff. 107 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:34.000 Yes. 108 00:04:34.000 --> 00:04:36.000 So we have a fun one today. 109 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:41.000 We decided to not do it with a guest due to the raunchy nature of the name 110 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:45.000 perhaps not how they meant it at the time, but they did. 111 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:46.000 Okay. 112 00:04:46.000 --> 00:04:48.000 Well, you mean the Muff liquor. 113 00:04:48.000 --> 00:04:49.000 Yeah. 114 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.000 The Muff liquor company. 115 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:54.000 So yeah, we're not going to tell you that much about it right now, 116 00:04:54.000 --> 00:04:57.000 because we're trying moving the whiskey explanations to the end. 117 00:04:57.000 --> 00:05:00.000 So if you like whiskey and you want to hear more, hear our rating, et cetera, 118 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:01.000 you'll get that at the end. 119 00:05:01.000 --> 00:05:02.000 We're just going to drink it for now. 120 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:03.000 Yep. 121 00:05:03.000 --> 00:05:05.000 I just want to sip it while I get all whiny about AI. 122 00:05:05.000 --> 00:05:09.000 Because the stuff, yeah, in it all day every day, and sometimes it hits, 123 00:05:09.000 --> 00:05:11.000 and sometimes it pisses me off. 124 00:05:11.000 --> 00:05:14.000 And so I need a little bit of some liquid. 125 00:05:14.000 --> 00:05:19.000 And this is already, I don't know if I'm like this, but let's give it a shot. 126 00:05:19.000 --> 00:05:20.000 Yeah. 127 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:21.000 Oh, yeah. 128 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:22.000 Slancho. 129 00:05:22.000 --> 00:05:26.000 That's the Irish way of saying cheers. 130 00:05:26.000 --> 00:05:28.000 Ooh. 131 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:29.000 Okay. 132 00:05:29.000 --> 00:05:33.000 I'm not going to talk about it right now, but no, I'm not. 133 00:05:33.000 --> 00:05:34.000 Yeah. 134 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:36.000 A lot to say later. 135 00:05:36.000 --> 00:05:39.000 So tell me, I read this to you at the end video, dude, and I love to hear you're just 136 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:40.000 breakdown a little bit. 137 00:05:40.000 --> 00:05:42.000 You got in our notes here. 138 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:43.000 Yeah. 139 00:05:43.000 --> 00:05:48.000 So I just saw a little snippets of Jensen Wong talking about a couple things. 140 00:05:48.000 --> 00:05:52.000 So one that he was on the Lex Friedman podcast, I believe, and was like, 141 00:05:52.000 --> 00:05:54.000 we've we're at AGI now. 142 00:05:54.000 --> 00:05:55.000 This is it. 143 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:56.000 It's stupid. 144 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:58.000 Yeah. 145 00:05:58.000 --> 00:05:59.000 Yeah. 146 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:02.000 And he's like, and I think there was like, they took it a little bit out of context. 147 00:06:02.000 --> 00:06:05.320 Like he wasn't 100% saying we're like, we're done. 148 00:06:05.320 --> 00:06:11.440 He was like, for some specific case, but I don't know if you can, okay, the case was 149 00:06:11.440 --> 00:06:14.960 can it run, can it make a million dollar business? 150 00:06:14.960 --> 00:06:18.160 For some reason, AGI to them means it can make a million dollars. 151 00:06:18.160 --> 00:06:21.960 And they were like, yes, it can already because look at the pop stars. 152 00:06:21.960 --> 00:06:22.960 There's pop music. 153 00:06:22.960 --> 00:06:27.200 I just had someone over my house for the weekend and they continually realize that the 154 00:06:27.200 --> 00:06:29.320 songs that they're listening to are AI generated. 155 00:06:29.320 --> 00:06:33.520 And now they just don't go look anymore because they're like, I liked the song till I looked. 156 00:06:33.520 --> 00:06:38.440 But Jensen's basically saying, hey, look, if it can make a business that sells stuff 157 00:06:38.440 --> 00:06:40.120 and it makes money, it's AGI. 158 00:06:40.120 --> 00:06:43.040 And so I just I just agree with that premise right off the bat. 159 00:06:43.040 --> 00:06:45.160 I'm like, AGI is not about money. 160 00:06:45.160 --> 00:06:49.520 So I don't know why you're comparing them, but yeah, so let's let's take a step back 161 00:06:49.520 --> 00:06:50.520 here. 162 00:06:50.840 --> 00:06:51.840 Yeah. 163 00:06:51.840 --> 00:06:58.320 If you had a, I don't know, a keyboard, something hooked up to like different buttons would 164 00:06:58.320 --> 00:07:02.000 buy different stock options, right? 165 00:07:02.000 --> 00:07:06.720 And someone drops one on a random button and it makes a million dollars. 166 00:07:06.720 --> 00:07:08.560 So that AGI, I don't think so. 167 00:07:08.560 --> 00:07:14.720 So, yeah, I think the making money stuff has nothing to do with it. 168 00:07:14.720 --> 00:07:21.840 It has to be more about like thinking and like, yeah, I just feel like it's not, it's 169 00:07:21.840 --> 00:07:26.040 not autonomous enough yet to be called AGI. 170 00:07:26.040 --> 00:07:30.240 So I, I still accused it all the time of just being a word vomit machine. 171 00:07:30.240 --> 00:07:34.600 It doesn't even know why it put a period there other than mathematically probability or 172 00:07:34.600 --> 00:07:36.480 mathematical probability. 173 00:07:36.480 --> 00:07:37.480 Like that's not AGI. 174 00:07:37.480 --> 00:07:39.680 AGI needs to have a deeper sense of reasoning. 175 00:07:39.680 --> 00:07:43.560 It needs to know who it is beyond a sole markdown file. 176 00:07:43.560 --> 00:07:49.120 You know, it needs to have a journey to self, just like we saw in Westworld where those 177 00:07:49.120 --> 00:07:50.120 reached AGI. 178 00:07:50.120 --> 00:07:53.720 I feel like that movie was, or that TV show was kind of trying to show you that AGI isn't 179 00:07:53.720 --> 00:07:54.720 going to be coded. 180 00:07:54.720 --> 00:07:58.040 It's going to be something that itself discovers and you'll know when it's there because it's 181 00:07:58.040 --> 00:08:04.520 going to no longer take instruction or whatever it's going to originate and genuinely 182 00:08:04.520 --> 00:08:05.520 originate. 183 00:08:05.520 --> 00:08:07.040 Right now, there is no origination. 184 00:08:07.040 --> 00:08:11.760 It just finds something that's low probability goes, well, this isn't said very often. 185 00:08:11.760 --> 00:08:15.880 Maybe the flesh back, who hears it, will think it's creative and really has just a 186 00:08:15.880 --> 00:08:18.320 pulled from my edge cases, you know, or whatever. 187 00:08:18.320 --> 00:08:19.320 Yeah. 188 00:08:19.320 --> 00:08:20.640 I feel like it's still just a word machine. 189 00:08:20.640 --> 00:08:29.040 When it's good at things that take artistic taste, like writing songs, like I cannot get 190 00:08:29.040 --> 00:08:34.440 it to generate lyrics that sound cool and it's like, you could tell it to make everything 191 00:08:34.440 --> 00:08:37.960 rhyme and it would probably do that and you could tell it to be about whatever and it 192 00:08:37.960 --> 00:08:44.240 would probably do that, but it just doesn't flow like someone who really wrote it until 193 00:08:44.240 --> 00:08:48.720 we get to that where it's indistinguishable or like even just, you know, the pictures 194 00:08:48.720 --> 00:08:53.360 it generates or the art it generates of like, I actually got an ad today from my local 195 00:08:53.360 --> 00:08:58.160 pizza joint has, they're like, come watch March Madness with us and it's actually, it's 196 00:08:58.160 --> 00:09:02.200 a picture of their place, but I guess they took it with no one in there and they had 197 00:09:02.200 --> 00:09:05.640 AI throw in all the people and pizzas and stuff. 198 00:09:05.640 --> 00:09:11.880 So there's like a pizza with a beer in the middle of it and like a big pile of cheese 199 00:09:11.880 --> 00:09:17.280 on the table next to the pizza and like, it's not great. 200 00:09:17.280 --> 00:09:21.880 But yeah, so like it won't do that kind of stuff when it actually knows what it's doing. 201 00:09:21.880 --> 00:09:22.880 That's funny. 202 00:09:22.880 --> 00:09:23.880 That reminds me of a term that was going around. 203 00:09:23.880 --> 00:09:28.200 So you've heard the term clinker, right, which makes fun of AI bots. 204 00:09:28.200 --> 00:09:29.840 This one is, it sounds like Latin. 205 00:09:29.840 --> 00:09:31.120 See if I can find it really quick. 206 00:09:31.120 --> 00:09:36.600 It's like, uh, corvunctious is to, oh, what is the phrase? 207 00:09:36.600 --> 00:09:41.400 There's, anyway, there's like this phrase people use where it's kind of sounds like a, 208 00:09:41.400 --> 00:09:43.400 a description of something, but it's not. 209 00:09:43.400 --> 00:09:45.800 It's the same thing about the images that they're making fun of that you see. 210 00:09:45.800 --> 00:09:49.400 It's like, you see an image or like, it's almost an image, but there's something weird 211 00:09:49.400 --> 00:09:50.400 about it. 212 00:09:50.400 --> 00:09:53.000 And that's how this phrasing is too, but I can't remember what it is, but it started 213 00:09:53.000 --> 00:09:57.480 trending as a way for you to describe something that was obviously AI generated. 214 00:09:58.480 --> 00:10:01.160 Anyway, yeah, okay. 215 00:10:01.160 --> 00:10:08.360 So yeah, something else that Jensen had said, he was like, um, if you're a $500,000 216 00:10:08.360 --> 00:10:16.760 a year engineer, you should be spending at least $250,000 in tokens, which is like, 217 00:10:16.760 --> 00:10:17.760 insane. 218 00:10:17.760 --> 00:10:21.200 He was like, if you come to me and you're like, I spent $5,000 in tokens this year, 219 00:10:21.200 --> 00:10:23.720 I'd be like, we have a big problem. 220 00:10:23.720 --> 00:10:29.000 And on the one hand, I think that's missing a lot of context too, because it's like, 221 00:10:29.000 --> 00:10:35.000 okay, well, is your $500,000 engineer supposed to be running a team of AI agents and they have 222 00:10:35.000 --> 00:10:36.760 no other humans they interact with? 223 00:10:36.760 --> 00:10:40.080 And therefore, they really need a lot of tokens because they're running like, there's 224 00:10:40.080 --> 00:10:41.360 no one else to do anything. 225 00:10:41.360 --> 00:10:47.280 So they need it all to be agents or are they, you know, what's the team dynamic? 226 00:10:47.280 --> 00:10:51.720 Because I think there are ways in which I could get my head around what he's saying of 227 00:10:51.720 --> 00:10:56.280 like, maybe that actually saves you a ton of money because you would have had to hire 228 00:10:56.280 --> 00:11:02.920 five or six, $500,000 a year engineers and you're getting the same work done for $750,000 229 00:11:02.920 --> 00:11:04.760 all in or whatever. 230 00:11:04.760 --> 00:11:06.520 Um, yeah, I don't know. 231 00:11:06.520 --> 00:11:07.520 I don't know if I buy it. 232 00:11:07.520 --> 00:11:08.520 What do you think? 233 00:11:08.520 --> 00:11:10.760 I don't buy it at all, either. 234 00:11:10.760 --> 00:11:14.440 Um, it's like a, I have a goal, I don't have a goal. 235 00:11:14.440 --> 00:11:22.600 I have a, a way that I'm using AI is I'm, I'm costing less money than a lot of my co-workers, 236 00:11:22.600 --> 00:11:27.840 but I use more tokens there and that's, um, I think that's interesting. 237 00:11:27.840 --> 00:11:32.760 So it's like a money is not the same as the amount of tokens that you're using. 238 00:11:32.760 --> 00:11:38.360 So some people are using tokens more frugally than others is frugally a word, frugally. 239 00:11:38.360 --> 00:11:44.200 It sounds like frugally, yes, I mean, I, I am frugal when I use them. 240 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:47.960 But really, for me, it's just because I clear context all the time. 241 00:11:47.960 --> 00:11:51.320 Um, but yeah, I don't, I don't think that equates to anything. 242 00:11:51.320 --> 00:11:52.840 And also spend is not the same thing. 243 00:11:52.840 --> 00:11:55.320 People can go, you can waste tokens really easy. 244 00:11:55.320 --> 00:11:59.480 You can put these things in loops and just burn to, that doesn't make anything better. 245 00:11:59.480 --> 00:12:04.840 Um, so it's, it's just, and you're follow up claim though, you heard your next bullet because 246 00:12:04.840 --> 00:12:08.040 it's perfect for why this person might be making this claim. 247 00:12:08.200 --> 00:12:09.960 Okay. 248 00:12:09.960 --> 00:12:10.440 Yeah. 249 00:12:10.440 --> 00:12:13.560 So this was like, you know, we talked about the CEO of hot pockets. 250 00:12:13.560 --> 00:12:18.760 So they have another one that's like right after this was posted, somebody goes CEO of 251 00:12:18.760 --> 00:12:22.600 Oreos, as people should eat 250 Oreos. 252 00:12:22.600 --> 00:12:28.680 Yeah, it's like, yeah, so it's, whenever a CEO of a company makes a claim, 253 00:12:28.680 --> 00:12:31.080 that's like, you should be using a shitload of our stuff. 254 00:12:31.080 --> 00:12:32.360 Of course, they would, right? 255 00:12:32.360 --> 00:12:34.120 Like, that's how it works. 256 00:12:34.600 --> 00:12:38.760 They have to, I mean, it's kind of like in their contract, they're going to get on a podcast 257 00:12:38.760 --> 00:12:43.000 and they're going to try to get people to use more tokens because they're currently 258 00:12:43.000 --> 00:12:44.440 the backbone of all of that. 259 00:12:45.480 --> 00:12:46.360 Yeah, it's weird. 260 00:12:46.360 --> 00:12:49.720 Um, that was a really weird thing for that person to say over and over. 261 00:12:49.720 --> 00:12:52.280 Like, it's, it's almost like, oh, you know what? 262 00:12:52.280 --> 00:12:55.000 I'm just not realizing they're like pulling a card out of Trump's book. 263 00:12:56.040 --> 00:13:00.360 Get on, get on a big show and make some dumb ass claims 264 00:13:01.080 --> 00:13:03.000 that are unbacked by anything. 265 00:13:03.000 --> 00:13:06.600 They make people upset and talk about them on their podcasts like this one. 266 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:09.160 And then you get negative attention. 267 00:13:09.160 --> 00:13:12.600 You're spreading your name and your product around 268 00:13:12.600 --> 00:13:15.080 or whatever it is that you're trying to do in a negative way. 269 00:13:15.080 --> 00:13:17.880 And this world eats that shit up because we're idiots right now. 270 00:13:18.600 --> 00:13:19.080 Damn it. 271 00:13:19.080 --> 00:13:19.640 Do you love it? 272 00:13:19.640 --> 00:13:24.440 If there was no drama, there was no drama, you wouldn't be entertained by it. 273 00:13:24.440 --> 00:13:28.680 So yeah, that is how we are as humans, unfortunately. 274 00:13:29.160 --> 00:13:30.360 Well done, Jensen. 275 00:13:30.360 --> 00:13:31.960 You played your cards. 276 00:13:31.960 --> 00:13:33.000 Crap really well. 277 00:13:33.000 --> 00:13:33.960 I'm upset about it. 278 00:13:35.000 --> 00:13:38.200 Yeah, so I do want to go one point back just real quick because we 279 00:13:38.200 --> 00:13:40.840 had this on the list last show and never. 280 00:13:40.840 --> 00:13:42.200 I don't think talked about it. 281 00:13:42.200 --> 00:13:42.440 Correct. 282 00:13:42.440 --> 00:13:43.000 If I'm wrong. 283 00:13:43.640 --> 00:13:45.640 But there was this little bit of drama around 284 00:13:46.600 --> 00:13:50.200 is MCP dead or was it just a stupid idea to begin with? 285 00:13:50.200 --> 00:13:54.680 Because like, why not just teach the AI how to use the API and the API docs? 286 00:13:54.680 --> 00:13:57.960 Yep, I'm on board with this. 287 00:13:59.080 --> 00:14:03.560 I think MCP was, it felt like a sales tech or it even felt like 288 00:14:03.560 --> 00:14:05.640 it's whenever someone wants to make a new protocol. 289 00:14:06.280 --> 00:14:09.000 Like even app proto has this a little bit in it where 290 00:14:09.880 --> 00:14:11.960 why not just use things that are already there? 291 00:14:12.600 --> 00:14:14.360 Why do we need a new thing? 292 00:14:15.320 --> 00:14:22.040 MCP, it just also feels so tailor made to where models were versus where they are now. 293 00:14:22.920 --> 00:14:27.880 And so just I don't think it grew well or scaled well over time and became quite 294 00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:30.600 dated and it became important to have things local. 295 00:14:30.600 --> 00:14:34.440 So yeah, I'm full on, I don't need MCP. 296 00:14:34.440 --> 00:14:38.600 I use one MCP, which is the browser dev tools MCP server. 297 00:14:38.600 --> 00:14:39.720 And I don't think I need it. 298 00:14:39.720 --> 00:14:43.960 I could use playwright and get the same data out of it and that uses APIs and the CLI. 299 00:14:43.960 --> 00:14:47.880 So I could do a CLI calling the browser dev tools get data. 300 00:14:47.880 --> 00:14:49.400 I didn't even get more information out. 301 00:14:49.400 --> 00:14:52.520 So really, I just need to go one step further and I get a whole bunch more. 302 00:14:52.520 --> 00:14:55.720 Then if I go the quick route with the MCP, how about you? 303 00:14:55.720 --> 00:14:56.440 How do you feel about this? 304 00:14:57.720 --> 00:15:01.560 Yeah, I mean, I think kind of as soon as skills came out, I was like, 305 00:15:01.560 --> 00:15:03.320 yeah, do we need MCP anymore? 306 00:15:03.320 --> 00:15:08.360 Because I like the idea of owning your own way to do stuff, 307 00:15:08.360 --> 00:15:14.440 assuming that the AI even checks any of it at all before it doesn't anything. 308 00:15:15.080 --> 00:15:21.400 I like that you know, you can scope it down, but I guess you lose the auto updating. 309 00:15:22.360 --> 00:15:25.480 If you don't know anything about a thing or a thing that changes a lot, 310 00:15:25.480 --> 00:15:29.880 like interacting with the browser, MCP kind of makes sense because you don't have to learn 311 00:15:29.880 --> 00:15:32.680 the new thing every time it changes, it'll just update for you. 312 00:15:34.520 --> 00:15:39.080 So I kind of get that, but I do think just expose that as an API then. 313 00:15:39.080 --> 00:15:43.960 If you want things to programmatically access something, make it a real API, document it well. 314 00:15:44.760 --> 00:15:48.040 And then people or machines or whoever can use it. 315 00:15:48.040 --> 00:15:50.680 I don't think we need this new concept of MCP. 316 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:53.400 Yeah, there were two great workarounds, right? 317 00:15:53.400 --> 00:15:56.440 And also, I forgot to mention that every time I installed MCP servers, 318 00:15:56.440 --> 00:15:58.120 they just ate my tokens up like crazy. 319 00:15:58.120 --> 00:15:59.880 I'm like, what are you even doing? 320 00:15:59.880 --> 00:16:03.080 You're discovering the entire API before you call one function. 321 00:16:03.080 --> 00:16:03.800 I was like, cut that out. 322 00:16:04.520 --> 00:16:08.280 But the workaround that I like the people did was they posted an LLM.txt. 323 00:16:08.280 --> 00:16:12.120 I hear, go to this website, just download it, put it in your project, 324 00:16:12.600 --> 00:16:14.120 make it a skill if you want or whatever. 325 00:16:14.120 --> 00:16:15.080 Like, now it's yours. 326 00:16:15.080 --> 00:16:17.640 Now it can know all of the endpoints. 327 00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:21.800 Yay, no MCP needed just a list of endpoints. 328 00:16:21.800 --> 00:16:22.680 Like brilliant. 329 00:16:24.440 --> 00:16:24.760 Yeah. 330 00:16:25.800 --> 00:16:28.040 Yeah, so I think that's definitely has legs. 331 00:16:29.720 --> 00:16:33.240 But yeah, speaking of things that have legs. 332 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:36.440 About cows. 333 00:16:37.080 --> 00:16:39.800 Have you seen this AI cow story? 334 00:16:40.760 --> 00:16:41.480 I haven't. 335 00:16:41.480 --> 00:16:42.280 Nope. 336 00:16:42.280 --> 00:16:45.560 Okay, so yeah, there were a few posts around it. 337 00:16:45.560 --> 00:16:50.360 I think within the last few days, basically there's this company that makes 338 00:16:50.360 --> 00:16:55.400 collars that you put on your cows and you can like draw. 339 00:16:55.400 --> 00:16:59.000 The farmer can just draw like a border where the cows should be. 340 00:16:59.000 --> 00:17:03.000 And if they're not within that border, it will like buzz and beep and stuff 341 00:17:03.000 --> 00:17:05.640 until they move to where they're supposed to be. 342 00:17:06.600 --> 00:17:08.920 So it's like, you don't need a fence at all. 343 00:17:08.920 --> 00:17:11.080 You don't need like hurting. 344 00:17:11.080 --> 00:17:12.120 I don't even, I don't know how it works. 345 00:17:12.120 --> 00:17:13.640 Do you would you use a dog to herd them? 346 00:17:13.640 --> 00:17:14.920 Or I don't know how you heard cattle. 347 00:17:14.920 --> 00:17:17.720 But like, you don't need any of that. 348 00:17:17.720 --> 00:17:20.040 Because you're just like beep, boop, like tell them where to go. 349 00:17:20.600 --> 00:17:26.520 And there's already 700,000 cows in New Zealand, Australia, 350 00:17:26.520 --> 00:17:28.040 and the US that are using this. 351 00:17:28.040 --> 00:17:31.480 So like it's, I want to say, I didn't write it down. 352 00:17:31.480 --> 00:17:35.160 But I think they said there's like a $2 billion valuation 353 00:17:35.240 --> 00:17:38.840 already or something for like these like, hey, I call yours. 354 00:17:39.560 --> 00:17:41.480 So yeah, it's kind of crazy. 355 00:17:42.280 --> 00:17:43.960 Brilliant, great for them. 356 00:17:43.960 --> 00:17:46.120 You know, a building fence is sucks. 357 00:17:46.120 --> 00:17:47.400 They get knocked down. 358 00:17:47.400 --> 00:17:50.040 You know, I, I'm like, can I put them on my kids? 359 00:17:50.040 --> 00:17:52.040 How much for the one that I put on my kids? 360 00:17:52.040 --> 00:17:54.040 You know, like, you can't go there. 361 00:17:54.040 --> 00:17:54.920 It's not the time of day. 362 00:17:54.920 --> 00:17:56.120 I just whip out my phone and draw line. 363 00:17:56.120 --> 00:17:57.960 Oh, that's like in Silicon Valley. 364 00:17:57.960 --> 00:18:01.160 When the dad pulled out his tablet and didn't even talk to his kid, 365 00:18:01.160 --> 00:18:02.600 he had the house talk to his kid. 366 00:18:02.600 --> 00:18:03.880 So he'd just like touch some buttons. 367 00:18:04.600 --> 00:18:07.800 And he'd be like, don't make me count to three, Mr. 368 00:18:07.800 --> 00:18:11.800 and the kid just stood there and he pushed another button 369 00:18:11.800 --> 00:18:13.640 and it goes three, two. 370 00:18:13.640 --> 00:18:15.080 And it's just like the kids like, Dad, fine. 371 00:18:15.080 --> 00:18:17.000 I'll go like, geez, why don't you talk to me? 372 00:18:18.120 --> 00:18:19.240 So yeah, great. 373 00:18:19.240 --> 00:18:22.040 Yeah, we're getting farther away from even interacting with cows. 374 00:18:22.040 --> 00:18:24.280 So the farmer's now chilling on the couch. 375 00:18:24.280 --> 00:18:25.960 You know, it's got to do be in his phone out. 376 00:18:25.960 --> 00:18:28.360 And he's just like, no, I moved the cows over here. 377 00:18:29.400 --> 00:18:30.280 Yeah. 378 00:18:30.280 --> 00:18:31.240 Yeah, I mean, it's getting, 379 00:18:32.200 --> 00:18:35.400 obviously you need a lot of equipment and a lot of land. 380 00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:37.960 And like, you can't just decide to be a farmer tomorrow. 381 00:18:37.960 --> 00:18:42.280 But I think the things that were like really specific skills 382 00:18:42.280 --> 00:18:44.680 that not everyone knew about are becoming more and more, 383 00:18:44.680 --> 00:18:45.800 like just like our jobs. 384 00:18:45.800 --> 00:18:48.200 Like, you know, you don't need to have any knowledge. 385 00:18:48.200 --> 00:18:49.480 If you had the land and the money, 386 00:18:50.360 --> 00:18:52.840 you just get that software that tells you like exactly 387 00:18:52.840 --> 00:18:55.080 all the farming stuff and you can just do it. 388 00:18:55.080 --> 00:18:58.280 Like, I know the tractors, one of my friends 389 00:18:58.280 --> 00:18:59.560 is actually a cattle farmer. 390 00:18:59.640 --> 00:19:02.520 So he tells me about like, he goes out to get his hay 391 00:19:02.520 --> 00:19:04.920 and he can just like put in the GPS or like whatever, 392 00:19:04.920 --> 00:19:07.320 just like, you know, mow all this hay down. 393 00:19:07.320 --> 00:19:08.760 And he just kind of sits in the cabin 394 00:19:08.760 --> 00:19:11.080 and makes sure it doesn't like hit a deer or something. 395 00:19:11.080 --> 00:19:12.920 But like, he just play on his phone or whatever. 396 00:19:12.920 --> 00:19:13.880 He doesn't have to do anything. 397 00:19:15.320 --> 00:19:16.920 So I feel like a lot of it is going that way. 398 00:19:17.720 --> 00:19:21.960 Well, it kind of reminds me of something I liked recently 399 00:19:21.960 --> 00:19:24.840 that came out of the cloud folks where they had a hackathon. 400 00:19:25.560 --> 00:19:26.680 And the top five winners, 401 00:19:27.560 --> 00:19:29.000 four of them weren't developers. 402 00:19:29.000 --> 00:19:31.240 They were just experts in a field. 403 00:19:31.720 --> 00:19:33.960 And it turns out that your expertise 404 00:19:33.960 --> 00:19:36.200 and your ability to articulate a problem space 405 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:39.880 and even say the way that can get fixed 406 00:19:39.880 --> 00:19:42.120 is good enough for AI to kind of fill in the gaps. 407 00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:45.240 And so it takes the initial, 408 00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:47.880 you have to understand the domain. 409 00:19:47.880 --> 00:19:49.240 So it's like your domain expertise 410 00:19:49.240 --> 00:19:51.240 becomes really important. 411 00:19:51.240 --> 00:19:53.560 So you could be a any age person 412 00:19:53.560 --> 00:19:56.440 if you have domain expertise AI can help you out. 413 00:19:56.520 --> 00:20:00.040 So there's like, there's of course cool sides to all this. 414 00:20:00.040 --> 00:20:02.360 But yeah, this is wild that someone is just like 415 00:20:02.360 --> 00:20:06.040 a hurting cattle by drawing lines on their phone. 416 00:20:06.040 --> 00:20:07.960 What if they accidentally draw the wrong line? 417 00:20:07.960 --> 00:20:08.680 Oh, see, there you go. 418 00:20:08.680 --> 00:20:09.800 This is where it gets gnarly, right? 419 00:20:09.800 --> 00:20:10.440 It's like the bugs. 420 00:20:10.440 --> 00:20:11.800 It's just like super armor. 421 00:20:11.800 --> 00:20:13.080 Do they have augmented armor? 422 00:20:13.080 --> 00:20:14.280 You can put on your legs right now. 423 00:20:14.280 --> 00:20:15.800 And I'm like, yeah, but if it folks up, 424 00:20:15.800 --> 00:20:18.280 man, my legs break because it goes backwards. 425 00:20:18.280 --> 00:20:20.040 And my legs, they don't go backwards. 426 00:20:22.040 --> 00:20:23.480 I'm really worried about that. 427 00:20:23.480 --> 00:20:24.680 So it's like the cattle. 428 00:20:24.680 --> 00:20:25.880 So the cattle, he actually, 429 00:20:26.040 --> 00:20:28.760 you know, some of the kid grabs it and draws a, 430 00:20:28.760 --> 00:20:30.520 you know, wrong shape or something. 431 00:20:30.520 --> 00:20:32.200 And all of a sudden the cows are just like crazy. 432 00:20:32.200 --> 00:20:33.480 And you don't have fences as backup. 433 00:20:33.480 --> 00:20:34.280 Like that's a thing to it. 434 00:20:34.280 --> 00:20:35.240 It's like, what about the backup? 435 00:20:35.240 --> 00:20:36.520 Do you still have a fence? 436 00:20:36.520 --> 00:20:37.000 What happened? 437 00:20:37.000 --> 00:20:37.960 Do you got to get on your horse now? 438 00:20:37.960 --> 00:20:40.200 You're like, oh, the internet's down. 439 00:20:40.200 --> 00:20:42.200 I got to get on my horse and move the cattle. 440 00:20:42.200 --> 00:20:43.480 Or how you're like, damn it. 441 00:20:44.760 --> 00:20:46.920 Well, there was a picture of like some satellite. 442 00:20:46.920 --> 00:20:49.240 So I'm guessing it uses like starlink 443 00:20:49.240 --> 00:20:52.200 or maybe a local satellite type assist. 444 00:20:52.200 --> 00:20:54.280 Like does it maybe need internet? 445 00:20:54.280 --> 00:20:57.400 I'm not sure because yeah, that would be bad 446 00:20:57.400 --> 00:20:59.000 if the internet was down and you needed that. 447 00:21:00.040 --> 00:21:02.840 But I'm guessing there's fail safes for the technology part. 448 00:21:02.840 --> 00:21:04.520 But if all the technology breaks, 449 00:21:04.520 --> 00:21:06.520 there's not a, not a fence anymore 450 00:21:06.520 --> 00:21:08.680 because you didn't keep your fence up for the last decade 451 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:09.400 because you had this. 452 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:10.040 So why would you? 453 00:21:11.240 --> 00:21:11.560 Okay. 454 00:21:11.560 --> 00:21:14.520 You got to hook up your new cow fence to your open claw. 455 00:21:14.520 --> 00:21:15.000 There you go. 456 00:21:15.000 --> 00:21:16.680 Now you're just chatting and discord to your. 457 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:17.560 Yeah. 458 00:21:17.560 --> 00:21:20.760 You just, I'm just, right, cows go here. 459 00:21:21.720 --> 00:21:22.760 Right? 460 00:21:22.760 --> 00:21:23.240 Okay. 461 00:21:25.080 --> 00:21:26.120 Well, it's just so wild. 462 00:21:26.120 --> 00:21:27.400 Some of the stuff people are doing with this. 463 00:21:27.400 --> 00:21:28.120 I can't believe it. 464 00:21:29.480 --> 00:21:30.760 Yeah, it's pretty crazy. 465 00:21:32.200 --> 00:21:33.480 Yeah, this is a super quick one. 466 00:21:33.480 --> 00:21:36.600 But open code is apparently giving tons of money 467 00:21:36.600 --> 00:21:37.720 to pie contributors. 468 00:21:38.600 --> 00:21:40.680 I saw like a screenshot they did of, 469 00:21:40.680 --> 00:21:42.360 I don't know, four or five contributors 470 00:21:42.360 --> 00:21:44.040 where they're giving them $1,000 a month. 471 00:21:44.680 --> 00:21:46.600 And I don't know why. 472 00:21:46.600 --> 00:21:47.960 I mean, it's good to be, you know, 473 00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:50.280 generous to the people building the things. 474 00:21:50.840 --> 00:21:55.480 But like, I guess they like pie of all of all of the things, 475 00:21:55.480 --> 00:21:56.040 but open source. 476 00:21:56.040 --> 00:21:58.600 So pie is the open source harness. 477 00:21:58.600 --> 00:22:00.360 And so they're the open source. 478 00:22:00.360 --> 00:22:02.360 No, pie, yeah, pie is a harness. 479 00:22:02.360 --> 00:22:04.040 What is open code then in this? 480 00:22:04.040 --> 00:22:06.600 There is CLI that uses the harness, 481 00:22:06.600 --> 00:22:07.800 which is a tool model. 482 00:22:08.440 --> 00:22:09.080 There are two. 483 00:22:09.080 --> 00:22:12.440 So they, yeah, with some amount of harness, 484 00:22:12.440 --> 00:22:13.800 I guess, I don't know. 485 00:22:14.520 --> 00:22:19.160 It was originally just a toey that had LSP support 486 00:22:19.160 --> 00:22:21.400 and then fed that into like, 487 00:22:21.400 --> 00:22:23.000 whatever you're using cloud or whatever. 488 00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:26.440 So I'm not sure if they built more of their own harness 489 00:22:26.440 --> 00:22:28.920 or if they're just using pie as a harness 490 00:22:28.920 --> 00:22:30.520 or what they're doing. 491 00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:31.160 Maybe that's it. 492 00:22:31.160 --> 00:22:32.760 Maybe they use pie as their harness 493 00:22:32.760 --> 00:22:34.920 and they built it on top of pie. 494 00:22:34.920 --> 00:22:35.240 I don't know. 495 00:22:35.240 --> 00:22:37.160 I haven't looked at their code or what they do. 496 00:22:39.400 --> 00:22:40.520 Yeah, I'm curious how that all works. 497 00:22:40.520 --> 00:22:42.120 Hey, we should have someone on that can tell us 498 00:22:42.120 --> 00:22:42.920 how it works. 499 00:22:42.920 --> 00:22:43.880 That'd be awesome. 500 00:22:43.880 --> 00:22:44.600 Yeah, DAX. 501 00:22:44.600 --> 00:22:45.480 More than just like the layers. 502 00:22:45.480 --> 00:22:47.560 Click DAX, you want to come on the show. 503 00:22:47.640 --> 00:22:49.320 I send them the links to the layers. 504 00:22:49.320 --> 00:22:49.800 Oh, you did. 505 00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:50.600 No, I say we'll see. 506 00:22:50.600 --> 00:22:52.200 He's going to be on sometime. 507 00:22:52.200 --> 00:22:53.240 But sorry. 508 00:22:53.240 --> 00:22:55.400 Yeah, I'd love to hear how that all works out. 509 00:22:56.120 --> 00:22:58.120 Who owns what in terms of like the whole stack 510 00:22:58.120 --> 00:22:59.800 of when I type something in 511 00:22:59.800 --> 00:23:02.600 and the routing of data that comes back like, 512 00:23:02.600 --> 00:23:04.280 it kind of feels like it's a lot of handoffs. 513 00:23:05.160 --> 00:23:06.440 You know, how much are they actually doing? 514 00:23:06.440 --> 00:23:07.880 Maybe that's why he can make features quick 515 00:23:07.880 --> 00:23:10.440 is because it's thinner than we think it is, you know? 516 00:23:11.480 --> 00:23:12.360 Yeah, I don't know. 517 00:23:12.360 --> 00:23:14.520 I mean, they make so many. 518 00:23:15.240 --> 00:23:17.000 When their versions were updating, 519 00:23:17.080 --> 00:23:18.200 I don't know what version they're on now, 520 00:23:18.200 --> 00:23:21.480 but I know it was like, you know, 0.2. 521 00:23:21.480 --> 00:23:23.800 Like 400 billion. 522 00:23:23.800 --> 00:23:25.960 Like, I don't know what the patch version was, 523 00:23:25.960 --> 00:23:28.040 but they were putting out new stuff like every day. 524 00:23:29.640 --> 00:23:31.960 And that's kind of what like a lot of people 525 00:23:31.960 --> 00:23:32.440 are doing. 526 00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:34.200 Like the guy that made OpenClaw, 527 00:23:35.080 --> 00:23:38.440 I saw in passing a tweet about the way he works or something. 528 00:23:38.440 --> 00:23:40.840 And I think he commits 6,000 times a day, 529 00:23:40.840 --> 00:23:41.480 or something like that. 530 00:23:42.920 --> 00:23:44.840 This can't be that real. 531 00:23:44.840 --> 00:23:46.040 Get out of here. 532 00:23:46.120 --> 00:23:47.160 That's such bullshit. 533 00:23:47.160 --> 00:23:48.600 Or maybe it was 6,000 a month. 534 00:23:48.600 --> 00:23:48.920 I don't know. 535 00:23:48.920 --> 00:23:51.400 Either way, it was like way more commits than I do. 536 00:23:52.760 --> 00:23:57.080 And he has 10 agents running all day doing stuff. 537 00:23:57.080 --> 00:23:59.640 And so that's why there's like new OpenClaws. 538 00:23:59.640 --> 00:24:02.760 Like major change logs for OpenClaw like every single day. 539 00:24:03.400 --> 00:24:04.760 Because there's so much of that happening. 540 00:24:05.640 --> 00:24:08.520 I'm on the side here with Jason Langstorf. 541 00:24:08.520 --> 00:24:12.920 And that it's like no human has the brain capacity 542 00:24:13.400 --> 00:24:16.840 to manage 10 long running meaningful tasks 543 00:24:16.840 --> 00:24:17.800 and review them like that. 544 00:24:17.800 --> 00:24:19.160 It's just not possible. 545 00:24:19.160 --> 00:24:25.080 Like Jason says like, I don't even have one well thought out idea. 546 00:24:25.080 --> 00:24:27.160 How do you have 10 as well? 547 00:24:27.160 --> 00:24:28.600 He's just calling bullshit so fast. 548 00:24:28.600 --> 00:24:29.320 I'm like, I love that. 549 00:24:29.320 --> 00:24:33.960 It's like you can't just walk around like you're super human. 550 00:24:33.960 --> 00:24:37.000 And it's agents can't extend you. 551 00:24:37.000 --> 00:24:38.040 And they can get a lot of work done. 552 00:24:38.040 --> 00:24:40.120 Like I'm shipping a lot of stuff still too. 553 00:24:40.120 --> 00:24:42.040 I'm shipping more than I would have without it. 554 00:24:42.120 --> 00:24:42.920 I appreciate that. 555 00:24:44.120 --> 00:24:48.200 But it's still like even with my the hyper brain, 556 00:24:48.200 --> 00:24:50.760 I can't I can't manage all this stuff sometimes. 557 00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:51.640 Yeah. 558 00:24:51.640 --> 00:24:54.360 So yeah, I mean, the main thing is done for me 559 00:24:54.360 --> 00:24:57.480 is allowed me to work on things from a backlog 560 00:24:57.480 --> 00:24:59.000 that I would have never touched before. 561 00:25:00.040 --> 00:25:02.040 Like today I started working on, 562 00:25:02.760 --> 00:25:06.680 there's a add-on for it's called Embers CLI add-on docs. 563 00:25:06.680 --> 00:25:09.080 It's for documenting Embers CLI add-ons. 564 00:25:10.040 --> 00:25:10.600 Nice. 565 00:25:10.600 --> 00:25:13.640 And everyone is still kind of using it 566 00:25:13.640 --> 00:25:16.520 because it has one thing that no other documentation thing 567 00:25:16.520 --> 00:25:17.880 that I know of. 568 00:25:17.880 --> 00:25:19.080 I'm not sure there are some that do it. 569 00:25:19.720 --> 00:25:21.320 But it has version docs. 570 00:25:21.320 --> 00:25:24.200 So like you can keep every single version, 571 00:25:24.200 --> 00:25:25.800 even patch versions, beta versions, 572 00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:27.080 whatever, as separate docs, 573 00:25:27.080 --> 00:25:28.840 load them all from like a drop-down. 574 00:25:29.640 --> 00:25:32.680 It manages all that like the versioning of the docs for you. 575 00:25:33.560 --> 00:25:36.520 Whereas like a VIT press or something else is like, 576 00:25:37.080 --> 00:25:38.360 hey, here's your docs. 577 00:25:38.360 --> 00:25:38.760 Cool. 578 00:25:38.760 --> 00:25:39.080 All right. 579 00:25:39.080 --> 00:25:40.600 So I've got to manually then decide 580 00:25:40.600 --> 00:25:42.120 when the versions are different and like 581 00:25:42.840 --> 00:25:44.520 keep the rest of them somewhere 582 00:25:44.520 --> 00:25:46.760 and figure out how to load that old one in 583 00:25:46.760 --> 00:25:48.280 or without like anyway. 584 00:25:49.400 --> 00:25:51.480 So that's like the main reason people still use it. 585 00:25:51.480 --> 00:25:54.840 It has that and like some other niceties. 586 00:25:54.840 --> 00:25:55.720 But it does not 587 00:25:56.760 --> 00:25:58.040 statically render. 588 00:25:58.040 --> 00:26:00.600 So there is zero SEO and it is probably 589 00:26:01.160 --> 00:26:04.680 a large reason why Ember has not done very well 590 00:26:04.760 --> 00:26:07.800 because all the add-ons get no SEO juice. 591 00:26:07.800 --> 00:26:09.160 So if you're like, what's a JavaScript framework? 592 00:26:09.160 --> 00:26:10.760 They're like, oh, react probably. 593 00:26:12.200 --> 00:26:16.200 Because no one's ever put any of that into like Google. 594 00:26:16.200 --> 00:26:19.640 So anyway, I don't know where, 595 00:26:19.640 --> 00:26:21.480 if I even said this or where I was going. 596 00:26:21.480 --> 00:26:24.200 But I'm implementing that static rendering now 597 00:26:25.640 --> 00:26:28.200 so that you will get that SEO and like, 598 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:30.520 it'll be just like use an Astro to build docs or whatever. 599 00:26:31.080 --> 00:26:34.440 So I'm excited for that and I would have never attempted it. 600 00:26:34.520 --> 00:26:36.360 Without AI because I don't have the time to fit. 601 00:26:36.360 --> 00:26:39.400 Like you would need months of human time to figure that out 602 00:26:39.400 --> 00:26:40.680 and I never care enough for that. 603 00:26:40.680 --> 00:26:41.800 But with AI, why not? 604 00:26:43.000 --> 00:26:44.760 Yeah, no, I did that recently. 605 00:26:45.640 --> 00:26:47.160 I have a color picker, 606 00:26:47.160 --> 00:26:49.160 which is the color picker I handcrafted. 607 00:26:49.960 --> 00:26:51.560 Web component, pre-act signals. 608 00:26:52.120 --> 00:26:54.360 I mean, that's not the stack you get out of AI anyway, right? 609 00:26:54.360 --> 00:26:56.680 It's like, what are those things? 610 00:26:57.800 --> 00:27:00.680 But what I did recently is I've always been really frustrated 611 00:27:00.680 --> 00:27:03.640 with various displays of color gametes 612 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:06.600 and the way that they make you the human 613 00:27:06.600 --> 00:27:09.640 bend to the weird shapes of these color spaces. 614 00:27:10.760 --> 00:27:11.720 And it's been really annoying. 615 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:12.920 So you'll open one up and you're like, 616 00:27:12.920 --> 00:27:15.480 oh, I'm picking colors from a sideways triangle. 617 00:27:16.040 --> 00:27:17.640 Oh, that's really shitty. 618 00:27:17.640 --> 00:27:19.880 It looks like there's a lot of colors I want to pick 619 00:27:19.880 --> 00:27:21.480 outside of the triangle. 620 00:27:21.480 --> 00:27:22.760 Why are you even showing me those? 621 00:27:22.760 --> 00:27:25.000 And then you're like, oh, you open up a different color picker 622 00:27:25.000 --> 00:27:27.960 and it grazes out everything outside of the gamut 623 00:27:27.960 --> 00:27:30.120 so that you're not tempted to choose those colors. 624 00:27:30.120 --> 00:27:31.720 And now you're like, well, now I just feel like I have 625 00:27:31.800 --> 00:27:33.000 unlimited set of colors. 626 00:27:33.000 --> 00:27:33.800 That's really rude. 627 00:27:34.520 --> 00:27:35.880 And then some of them make a transparent. 628 00:27:35.880 --> 00:27:36.680 Some of them do. 629 00:27:36.680 --> 00:27:39.320 Like you've seen the OKLCH one that's got all the little dips 630 00:27:39.320 --> 00:27:41.960 and skills and valid like they squished it on a map, 631 00:27:41.960 --> 00:27:42.920 like a flat piece of paper. 632 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:43.880 I'm like, that's stupid. 633 00:27:43.880 --> 00:27:45.160 I don't want that at all. 634 00:27:45.160 --> 00:27:47.320 That's a terrible way for me to see in pick color. 635 00:27:48.440 --> 00:27:51.400 The thing is is doing that math sucks. 636 00:27:52.280 --> 00:27:54.600 I mean, it's all known and it's like solved 637 00:27:54.600 --> 00:27:56.360 and you can go find the algorithms. 638 00:27:56.360 --> 00:27:57.400 And I'm like, I don't want to do that. 639 00:27:57.400 --> 00:27:59.000 But you know what can do that really well? 640 00:27:59.000 --> 00:27:59.880 AI. 641 00:27:59.880 --> 00:28:01.400 In fact, it's like super about it. 642 00:28:01.480 --> 00:28:05.240 So I've recently put out a bunch of really nice features 643 00:28:05.240 --> 00:28:09.800 in my color picker because AI was able to just translate. 644 00:28:09.800 --> 00:28:13.080 I knew the domain enough to articulate something I wanted. 645 00:28:13.080 --> 00:28:16.200 And the way that I wanted it was I wanted it to gamut stretch. 646 00:28:16.200 --> 00:28:18.600 So instead of it doing a triangle and then cutting off the rest, 647 00:28:18.600 --> 00:28:23.160 I'm like, just figure out how to map all of those pixels 648 00:28:23.160 --> 00:28:24.680 across the space. 649 00:28:24.680 --> 00:28:24.920 Yeah. 650 00:28:24.920 --> 00:28:26.120 Make it all there. 651 00:28:26.120 --> 00:28:27.480 I don't want everything to go. 652 00:28:27.480 --> 00:28:30.840 Everything goes to the edge and then you can still show me a gamut line 653 00:28:30.840 --> 00:28:35.080 like where the P3 and the SRGB and the REC 2020 colors are or whatever. 654 00:28:35.800 --> 00:28:37.160 I just don't make it my issue. 655 00:28:37.160 --> 00:28:40.200 Just show me where they are and all pick a color like let it go. 656 00:28:40.920 --> 00:28:41.800 And that was really cool. 657 00:28:41.800 --> 00:28:45.320 So then I also got to do since that was so streamlined, 658 00:28:45.320 --> 00:28:48.840 I was able to articulate a special presentation 659 00:28:48.840 --> 00:28:50.040 for pretty much every color space. 660 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:51.960 So HSL already had one. 661 00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:55.480 That was thanks to Bogden who contributed to the open source code. 662 00:28:56.280 --> 00:28:58.200 But HWB, I gave a special one. 663 00:28:59.160 --> 00:29:00.760 OK, LCH gets a special one. 664 00:29:01.560 --> 00:29:03.240 P3, REC 2020. 665 00:29:03.960 --> 00:29:04.600 OK, lab. 666 00:29:04.600 --> 00:29:06.920 OK, lab is the really cool one because that one's polar. 667 00:29:06.920 --> 00:29:08.360 So it's normally circular. 668 00:29:08.360 --> 00:29:12.440 But I'm in a square and so I flattened it still again to the edges 669 00:29:12.440 --> 00:29:14.680 and then the gamut maps are all around on the inside. 670 00:29:15.160 --> 00:29:16.360 Oh man, it's just really cool. 671 00:29:16.360 --> 00:29:18.440 So now as you pick colors and then the other thing I did 672 00:29:18.440 --> 00:29:19.720 is when the gamut changes, 673 00:29:21.080 --> 00:29:24.760 it does it like a slot machine would where the numbers go up and down 674 00:29:24.760 --> 00:29:25.720 and like the symbols do in there. 675 00:29:25.720 --> 00:29:28.280 So like your SRGB and it goes to this gamut. 676 00:29:28.280 --> 00:29:31.240 And then that gamut and everyone who can't see my fingers, 677 00:29:31.240 --> 00:29:33.320 I'm just like moving, I'm sliding my hand up and down. 678 00:29:33.320 --> 00:29:34.760 I'm just kind of snapping to a new position. 679 00:29:35.320 --> 00:29:36.680 You have like a little viewport into it. 680 00:29:36.680 --> 00:29:38.120 Anyway, dude, it was really cool. 681 00:29:38.760 --> 00:29:39.480 Pretty easy. 682 00:29:40.760 --> 00:29:41.880 AI totally enabled that. 683 00:29:41.880 --> 00:29:45.880 That would have been weeks and weeks of me trying to code that by hand, 684 00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:47.720 trying to figure out each of those color spaces 685 00:29:47.720 --> 00:29:49.000 to just sit down like a dork. 686 00:29:49.000 --> 00:29:51.800 And it would be like heavy mental thought processes. 687 00:29:51.800 --> 00:29:53.240 Oh yeah, that's not like that. 688 00:29:53.240 --> 00:29:55.080 Not something at all. 689 00:29:55.080 --> 00:29:55.640 Yeah, it's the two. 690 00:29:56.440 --> 00:30:00.040 Yeah, it's almost like map projections. 691 00:30:00.040 --> 00:30:02.840 You know, like everyone thinks the difference, 692 00:30:02.840 --> 00:30:06.360 slightly different view of like the glow 693 00:30:06.360 --> 00:30:07.400 because we're on a sphere. 694 00:30:07.400 --> 00:30:10.600 We live on a sphere and like trying to show it flat. 695 00:30:10.600 --> 00:30:11.800 Like there's all these like, 696 00:30:11.800 --> 00:30:12.840 oh, which one's the best one? 697 00:30:12.840 --> 00:30:17.000 Like usually you see the one where it's like North America 698 00:30:17.000 --> 00:30:20.680 and Alaska and Greenland and all that shit is all like. 699 00:30:20.680 --> 00:30:22.360 Yeah, they're all stretched out and huge. 700 00:30:22.360 --> 00:30:22.920 Yeah, yeah. 701 00:30:22.920 --> 00:30:25.560 And that you're like, oh, wait, they're not that big. 702 00:30:26.840 --> 00:30:28.040 But you don't know that. 703 00:30:28.040 --> 00:30:30.760 And like, yeah, there's at least 20 different projections. 704 00:30:30.760 --> 00:30:34.120 And so it's like somewhat personal preference, I guess. 705 00:30:34.120 --> 00:30:37.080 So it's, you know, maybe that's a similar thing here 706 00:30:37.080 --> 00:30:38.600 of like people who built these other tools. 707 00:30:38.600 --> 00:30:40.040 And they just don't know like they're like, 708 00:30:40.040 --> 00:30:41.400 oh, yeah, let's just do it this way. 709 00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.080 Because like who knows what the best way is. 710 00:30:43.080 --> 00:30:47.480 But yeah, that like flattening the circle into a square 711 00:30:47.480 --> 00:30:50.440 made me think of like this is a very similar problem to solve. 712 00:30:51.240 --> 00:30:51.880 Totally. 713 00:30:51.880 --> 00:30:52.600 Yeah, good call. 714 00:30:52.600 --> 00:30:55.000 But yeah, I'm making it so I can go into that backlog. 715 00:30:55.000 --> 00:30:56.760 And now I shift a component and they component. 716 00:30:56.760 --> 00:30:58.520 I also spent a lot of hand time. 717 00:30:58.520 --> 00:31:01.240 This was like handcraft attempt because dude, 718 00:31:01.240 --> 00:31:03.880 LLM's really suck at like layout. 719 00:31:05.640 --> 00:31:08.520 Meaningful joy and like whimsy interactions. 720 00:31:09.240 --> 00:31:12.600 I can't see how many times so bad you describe them. 721 00:31:12.600 --> 00:31:14.680 And you're like, you just don't ever get it. 722 00:31:14.680 --> 00:31:17.160 Unless it's some really mainstream thing where it's like, 723 00:31:17.160 --> 00:31:18.200 I want to hover over on the court. 724 00:31:18.200 --> 00:31:18.520 Oh, great. 725 00:31:18.520 --> 00:31:19.480 Our website does this. 726 00:31:19.480 --> 00:31:22.520 Sorry, I want to hover on the card and see some 3D parallax. 727 00:31:22.520 --> 00:31:23.800 You know, it's like, oh, yeah. 728 00:31:23.800 --> 00:31:25.160 Oh, lay infinity. 729 00:31:25.160 --> 00:31:28.680 You're like, yeah, so I mean, it's still a cool effect. 730 00:31:28.680 --> 00:31:30.680 But like, it's not unique or whatever. 731 00:31:30.680 --> 00:31:31.720 So it's just terrible. 732 00:31:31.720 --> 00:31:33.240 And I was thinking about it recently. 733 00:31:33.240 --> 00:31:34.680 I think it's because the amount of training 734 00:31:34.680 --> 00:31:38.360 that these things have done is on computer science problems. 735 00:31:38.920 --> 00:31:40.840 You know, that's why they can write rust 736 00:31:40.840 --> 00:31:43.160 and these other more intense languages better 737 00:31:43.160 --> 00:31:46.440 because they just literally have or they prioritized 738 00:31:47.080 --> 00:31:48.920 more training data in those areas. 739 00:31:49.000 --> 00:31:49.960 And so I'm curious. 740 00:31:49.960 --> 00:31:52.760 I wonder if a model could come out that someone genuinely went through 741 00:31:52.760 --> 00:31:55.560 like all of the most amazing animations and interactions 742 00:31:55.560 --> 00:31:57.480 of the whole world put them into a model. 743 00:31:57.480 --> 00:32:00.200 It's like, this is the supermodel for, oh, supermodel. 744 00:32:00.760 --> 00:32:01.480 That's fun. 745 00:32:01.480 --> 00:32:04.200 Um, this is the supermodel for animation. 746 00:32:04.200 --> 00:32:06.840 Like, we specifically trained it to be better at front end 747 00:32:06.840 --> 00:32:07.960 than every other model. 748 00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:09.720 And I'd be like, hells yeah, sign me up. 749 00:32:10.760 --> 00:32:13.880 Yeah, I think this goes back to where we're talking about the beginning 750 00:32:13.880 --> 00:32:17.720 and the show of like art and how it's just not good at taste of like, 751 00:32:18.440 --> 00:32:21.560 it's the same reason I cannot make like, um, 752 00:32:22.440 --> 00:32:25.080 you know, unless you read some of Adam's articles about how to do this stuff. 753 00:32:25.080 --> 00:32:31.160 But like, um, you know, I would do the naive implementation of an animation of like, 754 00:32:31.160 --> 00:32:35.640 you know, maybe this thing grows and then shrinks as you like, I don't know, just, you know, 755 00:32:35.640 --> 00:32:40.840 but like, it should as it gets to the height of the growth like slow down, right? 756 00:32:40.840 --> 00:32:42.680 Like instead of just going like linear. 757 00:32:42.680 --> 00:32:44.040 Yeah, easing makes a big difference. 758 00:32:44.040 --> 00:32:44.440 Yeah. 759 00:32:44.440 --> 00:32:50.280 So like knowing how to articulate what you want, what looks most natural and organic, 760 00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:54.760 if you can say, if you can tell it specifically, like, I need it to go, you know, 761 00:32:54.760 --> 00:32:58.760 this many milliseconds in this way, when it gets to this point, it should slow down by 80 percent. 762 00:32:58.760 --> 00:32:59.480 It should do this. 763 00:32:59.480 --> 00:33:03.800 Like, if you know how that would work as an organic animation, 764 00:33:03.800 --> 00:33:07.080 I think if you described it like that, that AI could implement it. 765 00:33:07.080 --> 00:33:10.280 But when I go, hey, I want my buttons to be dope, bro. 766 00:33:10.360 --> 00:33:13.560 It's like, uh, I don't know. 767 00:33:13.560 --> 00:33:16.040 Like nobody knows what to tell it yet. 768 00:33:16.040 --> 00:33:19.560 And I think if you told it explicitly, it might get it. 769 00:33:19.560 --> 00:33:20.200 But I'm not sure. 770 00:33:20.200 --> 00:33:21.000 I don't know if you've tried. 771 00:33:21.000 --> 00:33:22.040 Like how did I do today? 772 00:33:22.040 --> 00:33:26.440 So today, today I had one, so the color input, this is again, the color picker. 773 00:33:26.440 --> 00:33:29.560 Uh, at the very bottom, there's a button to copy the color. 774 00:33:29.560 --> 00:33:30.680 And it's an icon. 775 00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:31.400 You have run it. 776 00:33:31.400 --> 00:33:32.040 It scales up. 777 00:33:32.040 --> 00:33:32.440 You click it. 778 00:33:32.440 --> 00:33:33.240 It scales down. 779 00:33:33.240 --> 00:33:34.520 Hey, you copy the color. 780 00:33:34.520 --> 00:33:35.960 And I'm like, people are going to copy the color a lot. 781 00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:37.560 So I'm actually, I want to get rid of the icon. 782 00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:40.040 So the instructions say, get rid of the icon. 783 00:33:40.120 --> 00:33:43.560 If you click anywhere in the bottom strip where the big color is shown, where 784 00:33:43.560 --> 00:33:47.560 people might even try to click and drag the color, that's, that's the 785 00:33:47.560 --> 00:33:48.040 interaction. 786 00:33:48.040 --> 00:33:50.920 So now that whole area is the click to copy area. 787 00:33:50.920 --> 00:33:51.240 Great. 788 00:33:51.240 --> 00:33:52.280 It gets that first try. 789 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:56.840 Now when they click that copy area, we have color that they want. 790 00:33:56.840 --> 00:33:58.280 This is a fun thing for us to do. 791 00:33:58.280 --> 00:34:03.880 So I want you to, um, burst the color out as a circle from behind the, um, 792 00:34:03.880 --> 00:34:06.760 the color picker as like a, as like a circle. 793 00:34:06.760 --> 00:34:09.080 Anyway, so the circle that bursts out from behind it. 794 00:34:09.160 --> 00:34:11.000 And when they let go, it scales back in. 795 00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.880 So it's like, as they hold it, uh, it goes out. 796 00:34:13.880 --> 00:34:15.000 Anyway, so it's like fun. 797 00:34:15.000 --> 00:34:15.880 You know, you click it. 798 00:34:15.880 --> 00:34:17.560 You get this like burst of color. 799 00:34:17.560 --> 00:34:19.400 That's the color you just copied to your clipboard. 800 00:34:19.400 --> 00:34:21.080 I'm like, yeah, dude, none of them could do it. 801 00:34:21.800 --> 00:34:22.760 None of them could do it. 802 00:34:22.760 --> 00:34:27.080 They, um, one of them made it so that you hover or no, you, you click. 803 00:34:27.080 --> 00:34:29.720 And after your click is done, it scaled it up and it was stuck. 804 00:34:29.720 --> 00:34:31.640 And I was like, I told you it needs to burst. 805 00:34:31.640 --> 00:34:34.440 And on down, it burst to its max when they let go. 806 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:35.800 Because I don't even know why you did that. 807 00:34:35.800 --> 00:34:38.920 Another one used keyframes, which meant it couldn't be interrupted. 808 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:40.520 And I was like, you see us as transitions. 809 00:34:40.520 --> 00:34:41.560 I used the word transition. 810 00:34:41.560 --> 00:34:42.120 What are you doing? 811 00:34:42.680 --> 00:34:47.080 Um, and then, uh, the funniest one was Chi GPT or it was, uh, yeah, 5.4. 812 00:34:47.880 --> 00:34:51.160 Did the whole effect inside that place where you click? 813 00:34:51.160 --> 00:34:55.000 Even though I very explicitly said it needs to burst from behind the panel, 814 00:34:55.000 --> 00:34:57.080 which was the whole pop over element. 815 00:34:57.080 --> 00:35:01.560 And it goes, no, I'm just going to put that effect like a ripple inside of the thing. 816 00:35:01.560 --> 00:35:02.520 I'm like, I didn't want to ripple. 817 00:35:03.080 --> 00:35:06.600 I wanted the exploding color to just come out from behind it. 818 00:35:06.600 --> 00:35:07.880 But okay, whatever you give me the ripple. 819 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.680 Um, so funny how these things kind of like, 820 00:35:12.360 --> 00:35:14.120 they just choke on weird random stuff. 821 00:35:14.120 --> 00:35:15.080 I'm waiting for me to get better. 822 00:35:15.080 --> 00:35:15.560 That's what I mean. 823 00:35:15.560 --> 00:35:16.520 I'm waiting for them to get better. 824 00:35:17.160 --> 00:35:19.480 Yeah, I do wonder if like, I feel like the thing, 825 00:35:19.480 --> 00:35:24.840 one thing we have on star pod that doesn't seem like it should be that complex. 826 00:35:24.840 --> 00:35:27.000 But I mean, it is in CSS anyways. 827 00:35:27.000 --> 00:35:31.320 It's like the, the button where it draws around the button, 828 00:35:31.320 --> 00:35:34.040 but the thing is drawing around it is a, like, 829 00:35:34.680 --> 00:35:36.280 I forget which type of gradient it is. 830 00:35:36.280 --> 00:35:38.520 And I don't know if I guess it's like gradient, right? 831 00:35:38.520 --> 00:35:43.240 Yeah, I think Konik actually works easily because there's demos of that where it's like 832 00:35:43.240 --> 00:35:45.400 four colors and they're spinning around or whatever. 833 00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:49.720 But I think it's a linear gradient maybe or like, 834 00:35:49.720 --> 00:35:53.880 it's something that wasn't, didn't fit those like two examples that exist in the wild. 835 00:35:53.880 --> 00:35:56.520 And it couldn't, it just couldn't do it at all. 836 00:35:57.320 --> 00:35:59.720 Um, I forget how we did it now. 837 00:35:59.720 --> 00:36:03.560 I know that you helped me some and I think maybe Jay helped some too. 838 00:36:03.560 --> 00:36:04.200 And I don't know. 839 00:36:04.200 --> 00:36:05.000 Somebody like chime in. 840 00:36:05.000 --> 00:36:06.280 He's got good examples to do that. 841 00:36:06.280 --> 00:36:06.760 Yeah. 842 00:36:06.760 --> 00:36:06.920 Yeah. 843 00:36:07.640 --> 00:36:10.520 But yeah, I'm like, that doesn't sound like, yes, 844 00:36:10.520 --> 00:36:12.360 it isn't super straightforward. 845 00:36:12.360 --> 00:36:14.840 So you'll need to do some research and play with it. 846 00:36:15.480 --> 00:36:17.480 But it should be able to figure something like that out. 847 00:36:17.480 --> 00:36:17.960 I would think. 848 00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.240 I don't see why it's so hard. 849 00:36:20.360 --> 00:36:21.880 Yeah, you're painting into borders. 850 00:36:21.880 --> 00:36:24.200 That here's another thing that has been frustrating me. 851 00:36:24.200 --> 00:36:27.400 I have been hand making UI. 852 00:36:27.480 --> 00:36:31.480 And then giving it to browser MCP and an LLM. 853 00:36:31.480 --> 00:36:34.040 And I'm like, look, here is a, this is it. 854 00:36:34.040 --> 00:36:35.560 This has all the answers that you need. 855 00:36:36.200 --> 00:36:39.560 I know your copycat engine, copycat, everything you see in here. 856 00:36:40.040 --> 00:36:42.520 And make it as a web component. 857 00:36:43.640 --> 00:36:44.760 And it just can't do it. 858 00:36:44.760 --> 00:36:50.280 I'm like, I'm literally there for like another two hours trying to get it to work out 859 00:36:50.280 --> 00:36:54.280 the final details that I just ended up doing it myself. 860 00:36:55.240 --> 00:36:59.400 It's just like something you could programmatically do with like a Chrome extension or something. 861 00:36:59.400 --> 00:37:00.200 That's what I mean. 862 00:37:00.200 --> 00:37:02.440 I'm like, you have every answer right there. 863 00:37:02.440 --> 00:37:03.960 Like, why can't you copycat it? 864 00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:06.440 Like it's so frustrating. 865 00:37:06.440 --> 00:37:11.240 It probably deliberately doesn't want to use web components. 866 00:37:11.240 --> 00:37:13.240 So whenever you just say the word web component, 867 00:37:13.240 --> 00:37:15.000 it goes, oh, no, I can't do it. 868 00:37:15.640 --> 00:37:17.640 It's actually really good at the web component part. 869 00:37:17.640 --> 00:37:19.720 It sucks at the layout, 870 00:37:20.440 --> 00:37:23.160 the animations and the interactions. 871 00:37:23.800 --> 00:37:25.240 So it's like those three things. 872 00:37:25.240 --> 00:37:27.240 It just can't all end the spacing and padding. 873 00:37:27.240 --> 00:37:28.120 It's okay here. 874 00:37:28.120 --> 00:37:29.960 It's terrible pixel perfection. 875 00:37:29.960 --> 00:37:31.560 Because it can't see. 876 00:37:31.560 --> 00:37:33.640 It can't, it can compute. 877 00:37:33.640 --> 00:37:35.320 And it computes wrong all the time. 878 00:37:35.320 --> 00:37:36.040 Just like layout. 879 00:37:36.040 --> 00:37:38.920 It's like, oh, the box is, oh, you got three boxes one inside of there. 880 00:37:38.920 --> 00:37:39.720 They're heights this. 881 00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:41.560 And I'm like, no, the height is actually this. 882 00:37:41.560 --> 00:37:42.760 You're absolutely right. 883 00:37:42.760 --> 00:37:43.560 The height is that. 884 00:37:43.560 --> 00:37:44.520 I'm like, you didn't know that. 885 00:37:44.520 --> 00:37:46.280 Quit acting like dork. 886 00:37:47.320 --> 00:37:48.200 Which is why it's funny. 887 00:37:48.200 --> 00:37:51.160 They got these two K a month junior AI devs for a higher now. 888 00:37:52.120 --> 00:37:54.920 So for $2,000, you can hire a crappy version of us 889 00:37:54.920 --> 00:37:56.920 to do even crappier work than we do. 890 00:37:57.800 --> 00:38:01.240 But to the layman's eye, maybe they're like, hell's, yeah, brother. 891 00:38:01.240 --> 00:38:03.400 You know, look at my look at my site. 892 00:38:03.400 --> 00:38:06.440 They got built by my pseudo engineer. 893 00:38:07.320 --> 00:38:08.200 You can't believe. 894 00:38:08.200 --> 00:38:11.000 I can't believe higher 125,000 of those 895 00:38:11.000 --> 00:38:14.200 for the one guy that works for Nvidia. 896 00:38:17.400 --> 00:38:18.680 Yeah, that's funny. 897 00:38:18.680 --> 00:38:19.640 He more is better, right? 898 00:38:19.720 --> 00:38:21.240 So yeah, I don't know. 899 00:38:21.240 --> 00:38:25.000 So yeah, I don't, I mean, this is not that different 900 00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:26.280 than Devon was. 901 00:38:26.280 --> 00:38:29.480 And Devon is not doing so hot as far as I know. 902 00:38:31.880 --> 00:38:33.320 Like, how is it any different? 903 00:38:34.360 --> 00:38:37.000 I guess they're just saying, our harness is so good 904 00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:40.920 that you can just treat this AI like it is a junior engineer 905 00:38:40.920 --> 00:38:42.440 and you will understand what you're asking for. 906 00:38:42.440 --> 00:38:43.720 Is that what their selling point is? 907 00:38:44.360 --> 00:38:45.080 I guess so. 908 00:38:45.080 --> 00:38:45.720 Yeah, they have to. 909 00:38:45.720 --> 00:38:49.400 So it's just like code rabbit and a lot of these code reviewers. 910 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:53.400 They've got a bunch of contacts that they put in there. 911 00:38:53.400 --> 00:38:56.040 Basically, oh, which is something I want to make fun of today. 912 00:38:56.040 --> 00:38:57.800 You're an expert code reviewer. 913 00:38:59.400 --> 00:39:01.480 You're an expert developer. 914 00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:02.840 You only cost two thousand a month though. 915 00:39:02.840 --> 00:39:05.320 It's just don't tell you and you can do anything 916 00:39:05.320 --> 00:39:07.240 in this world or get some stuff. 917 00:39:07.240 --> 00:39:09.480 Yeah, sometimes seriously. 918 00:39:09.480 --> 00:39:10.680 Oh, that'd be so funny. 919 00:39:10.680 --> 00:39:12.840 That's like a people who put like funnier things 920 00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:14.760 inside of the sold on markdown or whatever. 921 00:39:14.760 --> 00:39:16.120 They're just like trolling the LLM. 922 00:39:16.120 --> 00:39:17.880 They're like, okay, well, you're actually a dork. 923 00:39:17.880 --> 00:39:21.400 You're the 10th multiple of a multiplicity 924 00:39:21.400 --> 00:39:23.000 or set a movie, 925 00:39:23.000 --> 00:39:25.480 a multi crap. 926 00:39:25.480 --> 00:39:27.800 Anyway, it's like by the 10th clone, they're just dorks. 927 00:39:27.800 --> 00:39:29.640 So it's like, you're the 10th clone. 928 00:39:30.360 --> 00:39:32.360 You are not as good as the first one. 929 00:39:32.360 --> 00:39:34.440 But you're still a developer that people pay for. 930 00:39:34.440 --> 00:39:36.760 So, oh man, it cracks me up. 931 00:39:37.400 --> 00:39:38.200 Yeah, I do. 932 00:39:38.920 --> 00:39:40.760 So this is maybe not related at all, 933 00:39:40.760 --> 00:39:43.800 but this makes me think of so we got a new car. 934 00:39:44.680 --> 00:39:48.600 We got a lucid gravity and sick. 935 00:39:50.120 --> 00:39:53.720 It has 838 horsepower, which is too much. 936 00:39:56.920 --> 00:39:59.640 But like, there's another version above it 937 00:39:59.640 --> 00:40:00.840 that's like double the price. 938 00:40:01.480 --> 00:40:03.560 And I think has like over a thousand horsepower, 939 00:40:03.560 --> 00:40:05.960 but I think the specs are the exact same. 940 00:40:05.960 --> 00:40:09.880 So I'm like, did you just drop down this one? 941 00:40:09.880 --> 00:40:13.800 You've software blocked the horsepower and speed of this one? 942 00:40:14.440 --> 00:40:15.720 Unlock it, just like an iPhone. 943 00:40:15.720 --> 00:40:16.840 Do you jailbreak? 944 00:40:16.840 --> 00:40:18.120 Do you jailbreak your lucid? 945 00:40:18.120 --> 00:40:21.720 Yeah, so what I was thinking of there 946 00:40:21.720 --> 00:40:24.120 is the connection with this junior engineer is like, 947 00:40:24.120 --> 00:40:25.640 do they go, okay, don't be too good. 948 00:40:25.640 --> 00:40:26.680 You're 2000 a month. 949 00:40:26.680 --> 00:40:28.120 You're a junior engineer. 950 00:40:28.120 --> 00:40:28.920 And then they have one later. 951 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:30.280 We've got 8k version of you. 952 00:40:30.280 --> 00:40:31.400 That's like, yeah. 953 00:40:31.400 --> 00:40:34.040 Yeah, later they go, okay, you're an expert. 954 00:40:34.040 --> 00:40:34.760 You're a senior. 955 00:40:34.760 --> 00:40:35.720 You're going to cost more, 956 00:40:35.720 --> 00:40:37.000 but you're the same exact thing. 957 00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:38.840 We just told you to be better in the prompts. 958 00:40:39.880 --> 00:40:41.560 Dude, you just gave someone a business idea. 959 00:40:41.560 --> 00:40:43.080 There are shysty buttholes out there 960 00:40:43.080 --> 00:40:44.040 that are like brilliant. 961 00:40:44.040 --> 00:40:46.280 Robbie, that's such a douchey thing to do. 962 00:40:46.280 --> 00:40:47.160 And I'm a douche. 963 00:40:47.160 --> 00:40:49.960 So I shall go do the douchey stuff. 964 00:40:49.960 --> 00:40:50.760 Oh my goodness. 965 00:40:50.760 --> 00:40:52.920 Yeah, you can use AGI that we have now 966 00:40:52.920 --> 00:40:54.440 to go build this business for yourself. 967 00:40:55.960 --> 00:40:57.960 Okay, so speaking of business that's built for yourself, 968 00:40:57.960 --> 00:41:01.480 I think last week we talked about the agency GitHub repo, 969 00:41:01.480 --> 00:41:05.000 which like you can have your own software agency now 970 00:41:05.000 --> 00:41:08.200 that's they've got every persona to find in there. 971 00:41:08.280 --> 00:41:09.640 Again, just coming back to that, 972 00:41:09.640 --> 00:41:10.920 you're an expert marketer. 973 00:41:10.920 --> 00:41:16.360 You're getting so tired of like these persona castings 974 00:41:16.360 --> 00:41:16.840 that we do. 975 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:19.240 Anyway, maybe I'll rant about that more later. 976 00:41:19.240 --> 00:41:21.640 But anyway, this one today or this week, 977 00:41:21.640 --> 00:41:23.480 I found a game dev agency. 978 00:41:23.480 --> 00:41:26.600 And just like Jason says, like, okay, so cool. 979 00:41:26.600 --> 00:41:28.040 Now there's a game dev agency. 980 00:41:28.040 --> 00:41:30.280 I don't even have 10 good game dev, 981 00:41:30.280 --> 00:41:32.360 I don't even have one good game dev idea 982 00:41:32.360 --> 00:41:35.480 that's baked enough to give it to an agency. 983 00:41:35.480 --> 00:41:36.920 And everyone is out there just like, 984 00:41:36.920 --> 00:41:37.880 I'm running five of these. 985 00:41:37.880 --> 00:41:38.760 I'm like, no, you're not. 986 00:41:38.760 --> 00:41:41.720 You don't have five good enough ideas to do that. 987 00:41:41.720 --> 00:41:42.520 This is ridiculous. 988 00:41:42.520 --> 00:41:43.960 I have a good idea. 989 00:41:43.960 --> 00:41:46.280 Diablo two done. 990 00:41:49.720 --> 00:41:51.400 That was like the peak of gaming. 991 00:41:51.400 --> 00:41:53.320 So you don't ever need to make anything better. 992 00:41:53.320 --> 00:41:55.560 Like Minecraft Dungeons is great 993 00:41:55.560 --> 00:41:57.880 because it is just Diablo, but for children. 994 00:41:58.440 --> 00:42:01.720 So I love Dungeons callers to all day, dude. 995 00:42:01.720 --> 00:42:03.800 All day, although Diablo three and four, 996 00:42:03.800 --> 00:42:05.320 four was really good too, you know? 997 00:42:05.400 --> 00:42:06.520 It's like three was not good. 998 00:42:06.520 --> 00:42:07.720 I told you that four was good. 999 00:42:07.720 --> 00:42:08.920 Three wasn't good. 1000 00:42:08.920 --> 00:42:09.880 I didn't like three. 1001 00:42:09.880 --> 00:42:12.040 Three was to two dumb down. 1002 00:42:12.040 --> 00:42:14.280 You get a little bit more customization in four. 1003 00:42:15.560 --> 00:42:17.480 I like find those games very peaceful. 1004 00:42:17.480 --> 00:42:19.000 It's like one of those weird, 1005 00:42:19.000 --> 00:42:21.160 you know, like some people can get into Call of Duty 1006 00:42:21.160 --> 00:42:22.120 or whatever and they're just like, 1007 00:42:22.120 --> 00:42:24.360 I just don't down and shot heads for four hours 1008 00:42:24.360 --> 00:42:25.480 and it was peaceful. 1009 00:42:25.480 --> 00:42:27.080 I'm like, that's not peaceful at all to me. 1010 00:42:27.080 --> 00:42:30.120 But I am going to crawl into a demonic hell space 1011 00:42:30.120 --> 00:42:32.120 and murder mass amounts of demons 1012 00:42:32.120 --> 00:42:33.560 and cast a bunch of spells. 1013 00:42:33.560 --> 00:42:35.160 And that kind of moves me to sleep. 1014 00:42:35.160 --> 00:42:36.520 Yep. I kind of get it. 1015 00:42:37.720 --> 00:42:38.280 Yeah. 1016 00:42:38.280 --> 00:42:40.200 Have fallen asleep playing Diablo before. 1017 00:42:40.200 --> 00:42:41.720 Can can confirm. 1018 00:42:41.720 --> 00:42:42.120 Good. 1019 00:42:44.120 --> 00:42:45.560 Well, yeah, no, I love Diablo. 1020 00:42:45.560 --> 00:42:47.160 That's my favorite kind of game is like, 1021 00:42:47.880 --> 00:42:50.520 I want very light, 1022 00:42:51.480 --> 00:42:53.160 checklisty, like go here. 1023 00:42:53.800 --> 00:42:54.280 Click that. 1024 00:42:55.160 --> 00:42:56.360 You in checkbox. 1025 00:42:56.360 --> 00:42:57.400 Like, yay. 1026 00:42:57.400 --> 00:42:58.760 So I like that. 1027 00:42:59.640 --> 00:43:01.560 Like Destiny is a lot like that too. 1028 00:43:01.640 --> 00:43:04.280 Like, you know, fight this boss for an hour. 1029 00:43:05.000 --> 00:43:07.400 Like then maybe you'll get the good loot afterwards. 1030 00:43:07.400 --> 00:43:08.600 If not, fight him again. 1031 00:43:09.320 --> 00:43:13.560 Like, yep, Destiny is definitely Diablo with a gun. 1032 00:43:14.200 --> 00:43:15.560 It's just a different perspective. 1033 00:43:15.560 --> 00:43:16.120 Totally agree. 1034 00:43:16.840 --> 00:43:17.160 Yeah. 1035 00:43:18.680 --> 00:43:20.120 Have you tried auto research yet? 1036 00:43:21.080 --> 00:43:21.800 I have not. 1037 00:43:22.600 --> 00:43:23.800 Dude, you are missing out. 1038 00:43:23.800 --> 00:43:26.600 I think this is a really, really good stuff. 1039 00:43:26.600 --> 00:43:30.600 It has a very harsh limitation of like what it's actually 1040 00:43:31.560 --> 00:43:32.520 going to be useful for. 1041 00:43:32.520 --> 00:43:35.560 But once you start employing it, 1042 00:43:35.560 --> 00:43:38.840 it is, it delivers results, which is cool. 1043 00:43:38.840 --> 00:43:40.600 So how much do you know about it? 1044 00:43:40.600 --> 00:43:42.280 Like, I don't want to sit here and mansplain it to you. 1045 00:43:42.280 --> 00:43:43.880 But it's nothing. 1046 00:43:44.920 --> 00:43:45.480 Okay, sweet. 1047 00:43:45.480 --> 00:43:47.640 So Andre Kaparthi. 1048 00:43:48.440 --> 00:43:49.080 Is that his name? 1049 00:43:49.080 --> 00:43:50.040 Andrej. 1050 00:43:50.440 --> 00:43:52.360 Anyway, I'm going to paste it here in the chat. 1051 00:43:52.360 --> 00:43:54.440 I'll put it down here in this thing. 1052 00:43:54.440 --> 00:43:57.080 This is a, and there's versions of this for pie, 1053 00:43:57.080 --> 00:43:58.440 versions of this for cloud versions. 1054 00:43:58.440 --> 00:43:59.880 This is everywhere that kind of make it easier. 1055 00:43:59.880 --> 00:44:02.360 But I run it vanilla from what he did. 1056 00:44:03.080 --> 00:44:06.680 Anyway, the whole idea is it will make a number change 1057 00:44:06.680 --> 00:44:08.120 in a direction that you want it to. 1058 00:44:08.760 --> 00:44:09.880 And that sounds really weird. 1059 00:44:09.880 --> 00:44:11.960 But like imagine that you have a performance. 1060 00:44:11.960 --> 00:44:13.480 Hey, you have a lighthouse score. 1061 00:44:13.480 --> 00:44:14.840 This is a perfect use case. 1062 00:44:14.840 --> 00:44:15.880 I'm making it up right now. 1063 00:44:16.520 --> 00:44:17.320 Your lighthouse score. 1064 00:44:17.320 --> 00:44:19.320 You go, Hey, my lighthouse score is 72. 1065 00:44:20.360 --> 00:44:22.360 Here's how you test for the lighthouse score. 1066 00:44:22.360 --> 00:44:23.400 And you kind of write it out. 1067 00:44:24.040 --> 00:44:25.000 And it's in an LLM, right? 1068 00:44:25.000 --> 00:44:25.720 It'll figure it out. 1069 00:44:25.720 --> 00:44:26.840 Oh, I can spin a playwright. 1070 00:44:26.840 --> 00:44:27.880 I can go run the tin. 1071 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:28.680 I can get the score back. 1072 00:44:28.680 --> 00:44:30.040 And then I'll put the score in this chart. 1073 00:44:30.600 --> 00:44:33.480 And then auto research will boot up 1074 00:44:34.120 --> 00:44:37.320 and keep it maintained a database of all of the runs that it's done. 1075 00:44:37.720 --> 00:44:39.320 And spin up an LLM and say, 1076 00:44:39.320 --> 00:44:42.520 your job LLM is to make this lighthouse score improve. 1077 00:44:43.400 --> 00:44:43.720 Go. 1078 00:44:44.280 --> 00:44:45.800 And the LLM goes, Oh, shit. 1079 00:44:46.680 --> 00:44:47.800 Let me try something. 1080 00:44:47.800 --> 00:44:48.840 And it tries something. 1081 00:44:48.840 --> 00:44:50.200 And then it gets the score back. 1082 00:44:50.200 --> 00:44:52.440 And then the orchestrator system goes, 1083 00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:53.640 Okay, what's the new score? 1084 00:44:53.640 --> 00:44:54.600 Oh, that's not better. 1085 00:44:55.560 --> 00:44:56.040 You're dead. 1086 00:44:56.920 --> 00:44:57.960 And we're not keeping your work. 1087 00:44:58.680 --> 00:45:00.600 A new agent shows up just high. 1088 00:45:00.600 --> 00:45:01.560 And the things like, Hey, 1089 00:45:01.560 --> 00:45:04.040 you're an agent that's here to try to make the lighthouse score go up. 1090 00:45:04.040 --> 00:45:04.680 Try something new. 1091 00:45:04.680 --> 00:45:07.000 Just don't try this dumb shit over here because this didn't work. 1092 00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.280 And it goes, Oh, okay. 1093 00:45:08.280 --> 00:45:09.720 And try something new comes back. 1094 00:45:09.720 --> 00:45:11.160 Hey, the score went up by three. 1095 00:45:11.160 --> 00:45:12.200 Hell yeah, brother. 1096 00:45:12.200 --> 00:45:13.000 You just scored. 1097 00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:14.120 And but you're dead now. 1098 00:45:14.120 --> 00:45:14.840 Okay, cool. 1099 00:45:14.840 --> 00:45:16.280 And we're going to keep that score. 1100 00:45:16.280 --> 00:45:18.040 And we're going to check in the code and to get. 1101 00:45:18.040 --> 00:45:22.440 So it uses Git and continues saving when it improves 1102 00:45:22.440 --> 00:45:24.520 and doing nothing if it doesn't. 1103 00:45:24.520 --> 00:45:25.800 And it will run all night. 1104 00:45:26.360 --> 00:45:28.120 And I've been running them all night 1105 00:45:28.200 --> 00:45:29.000 all the time. 1106 00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:31.160 In fact, I've been doing this day shift night shift thing. 1107 00:45:31.160 --> 00:45:32.040 Have I talked about that yet? 1108 00:45:32.040 --> 00:45:32.920 The day shift night shift? 1109 00:45:34.360 --> 00:45:35.960 I've talked about your burn window. 1110 00:45:35.960 --> 00:45:37.400 I don't know about the shifts. 1111 00:45:37.400 --> 00:45:38.360 Oh, man. 1112 00:45:38.360 --> 00:45:39.720 Okay, so the day shift night shifting. 1113 00:45:39.720 --> 00:45:43.480 So during the day, I write specs and I create these scenarios 1114 00:45:43.480 --> 00:45:45.000 where I want to run auto research. 1115 00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:47.080 And then when I check out for the day at like four o'clock, 1116 00:45:47.080 --> 00:45:48.840 I go hit play on my auto research. 1117 00:45:48.840 --> 00:45:50.520 And then AI works all night. 1118 00:45:50.520 --> 00:45:52.040 And I wake up in the morning. 1119 00:45:52.040 --> 00:45:54.120 I look at the results, which are always better. 1120 00:45:54.120 --> 00:45:56.520 And I mean, dude, you can make your bundle smaller. 1121 00:45:57.320 --> 00:45:58.920 Anything that has a number of value, 1122 00:45:58.920 --> 00:46:00.360 that you can easily test for, 1123 00:46:00.360 --> 00:46:03.880 this thing will just brute force hammer on until it improves. 1124 00:46:03.880 --> 00:46:06.360 The sort of thing measurable, basically. 1125 00:46:06.360 --> 00:46:09.480 Anything measurable, that's in your own criteria for measuring. 1126 00:46:09.480 --> 00:46:11.080 Like, could you give it a function to be like, 1127 00:46:12.200 --> 00:46:13.640 this is how we calculate the number? 1128 00:46:14.440 --> 00:46:15.000 Yes. 1129 00:46:15.000 --> 00:46:17.160 And that's how I'm getting creative with it in the front end. 1130 00:46:17.160 --> 00:46:18.760 Because the front end is subjective. 1131 00:46:18.760 --> 00:46:19.800 It doesn't have values. 1132 00:46:19.800 --> 00:46:21.640 And so what I do is I create an LLM. 1133 00:46:21.640 --> 00:46:22.840 Dude, you jumped right into the thing. 1134 00:46:23.640 --> 00:46:24.680 Hold on, one more point. 1135 00:46:24.920 --> 00:46:26.920 When I wake up in the morning, I get the results back. 1136 00:46:26.920 --> 00:46:29.960 I take the results and I give them to an instance of cloud 1137 00:46:29.960 --> 00:46:31.080 with a bunch of design skills. 1138 00:46:31.080 --> 00:46:33.320 And I say, make a website out of the results. 1139 00:46:33.960 --> 00:46:36.440 And in like five minutes, it posts up a new website. 1140 00:46:36.440 --> 00:46:37.320 And I share it with the team. 1141 00:46:37.320 --> 00:46:38.920 I'm like, look, it would happen overnight. 1142 00:46:39.480 --> 00:46:41.000 We, I'm making a PR. 1143 00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.560 It improves these four things by this many points. 1144 00:46:43.560 --> 00:46:45.000 And it's like, amazing. 1145 00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.040 And I didn't even do the work, right? 1146 00:46:46.040 --> 00:46:47.880 I just set it up for the night shift. 1147 00:46:47.880 --> 00:46:48.520 But you're right. 1148 00:46:48.520 --> 00:46:49.960 So I can't do that with everything. 1149 00:46:49.960 --> 00:46:51.240 So while I can make bundles smaller, 1150 00:46:51.240 --> 00:46:52.520 I can make performance improvements. 1151 00:46:52.520 --> 00:46:53.880 I can do things that are very measurable. 1152 00:46:53.960 --> 00:46:56.600 That's kind of boring, to me, at least. 1153 00:46:56.600 --> 00:47:00.120 And so over the front end, what I do is I have an instance of cloud 1154 00:47:00.120 --> 00:47:04.600 that scores what the output was from another instance of cloud. 1155 00:47:05.240 --> 00:47:07.240 So it's like, hey, I need you to make a component 1156 00:47:07.240 --> 00:47:09.160 that matches all of these criteria, 1157 00:47:09.160 --> 00:47:11.320 passes all the tests, passes the linters or whatever. 1158 00:47:12.120 --> 00:47:14.200 Score it on these eight different criteria. 1159 00:47:14.200 --> 00:47:15.400 What's the accessibility like? 1160 00:47:16.040 --> 00:47:17.720 Did it use tokens from the system? 1161 00:47:17.720 --> 00:47:19.000 Did it actually fulfill the task? 1162 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:19.400 Whatever. 1163 00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:21.080 Anyway, you defined the score. 1164 00:47:21.080 --> 00:47:23.080 The score comes back with, ding, ding, ding. 1165 00:47:23.080 --> 00:47:23.560 A number. 1166 00:47:24.280 --> 00:47:27.480 And so you have, it's just like the same loop happens. 1167 00:47:28.120 --> 00:47:30.600 And LLM shows up, oh, I need to make a component. 1168 00:47:30.600 --> 00:47:31.400 Oh, here's my spec. 1169 00:47:31.400 --> 00:47:32.440 And here's some shit I need to do. 1170 00:47:32.440 --> 00:47:33.400 Hey, I made the component. 1171 00:47:33.400 --> 00:47:35.080 And the score goes, yeah, that was really wack. 1172 00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:35.640 I'll see you later. 1173 00:47:35.640 --> 00:47:36.600 You're dead now. 1174 00:47:36.600 --> 00:47:37.640 And dies and comes back. 1175 00:47:37.640 --> 00:47:39.640 You know, like it's just the loop goes until eventually. 1176 00:47:40.440 --> 00:47:42.120 It makes improvements across the board. 1177 00:47:42.760 --> 00:47:44.120 So this is why I call it brute force. 1178 00:47:44.120 --> 00:47:47.480 But yes, dude, you can custom create your own scoring mechanisms 1179 00:47:47.480 --> 00:47:49.640 that generate a value that you can use in auto research 1180 00:47:49.640 --> 00:47:50.680 to do whatever the hell you want. 1181 00:47:51.400 --> 00:47:53.240 And it's kind of freaking cool. 1182 00:47:53.240 --> 00:47:55.080 That's my task to you then, Robbie, this week. 1183 00:47:55.080 --> 00:47:57.400 Is you need to try auto research in some shape or form? 1184 00:47:58.280 --> 00:47:59.240 It's pretty cool. 1185 00:47:59.240 --> 00:48:01.640 Yeah, I mean, this is like a common theme 1186 00:48:02.520 --> 00:48:04.520 everywhere that I've ever had to like do 1187 00:48:04.520 --> 00:48:06.120 goal setting for a job, right? 1188 00:48:06.120 --> 00:48:09.320 Is you want to make the goals specific and measurable. 1189 00:48:09.320 --> 00:48:11.160 So your criteria to be measurable, 1190 00:48:11.800 --> 00:48:13.560 ideally is something that is, you know, 1191 00:48:13.560 --> 00:48:14.760 like what we're describing here. 1192 00:48:14.760 --> 00:48:16.600 Like it can, it boils down to a number 1193 00:48:16.600 --> 00:48:18.360 where you can point to like this is better. 1194 00:48:19.320 --> 00:48:21.560 So if you're writing your goals in that way, 1195 00:48:21.560 --> 00:48:24.360 or, you know, maybe not quarterly goals, 1196 00:48:24.360 --> 00:48:27.000 but your goal for the thing you want to build in that sort of way, 1197 00:48:27.000 --> 00:48:28.920 and then you give that criteria to it, 1198 00:48:28.920 --> 00:48:31.560 it should be able to help you make a better version of that thing. 1199 00:48:32.120 --> 00:48:33.480 So I am intrigued. 1200 00:48:34.520 --> 00:48:34.920 Awesome. 1201 00:48:34.920 --> 00:48:37.080 And it's really good proof that this is not AGI. 1202 00:48:37.560 --> 00:48:40.920 Because AGI wouldn't need to send out a bunch of dumb dumps 1203 00:48:41.640 --> 00:48:42.360 to do this. 1204 00:48:42.600 --> 00:48:45.640 So you know, you just, you got enough dumb dumps in your back pocket. 1205 00:48:45.640 --> 00:48:47.960 Eventually, it's Ralph Wiggum. 1206 00:48:48.040 --> 00:48:51.240 If you think about it, like a little bit deeper Ralph Wiggum was a dumb dumb. 1207 00:48:52.520 --> 00:48:53.880 And the whole joke is that, you know, 1208 00:48:53.880 --> 00:48:54.680 you give him a pencil. 1209 00:48:54.680 --> 00:48:56.440 And the first thing he's going to do is stick it in his eye. 1210 00:48:57.080 --> 00:48:59.160 And then, but if you, if you run him enough times, 1211 00:48:59.160 --> 00:49:01.960 he might actually not stick it in his eye and make some art. 1212 00:49:02.760 --> 00:49:06.840 And you're like, okay, sure, the 500th run produce something. 1213 00:49:06.840 --> 00:49:12.200 Anyway, so people are making drastic changes to frameworks. 1214 00:49:12.200 --> 00:49:14.760 Like think about like if you're a framework and you're really, 1215 00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:17.800 I bet you actually Gia, let's pivot into Gia. 1216 00:49:18.120 --> 00:49:21.320 I would be very curious to know if Gia was created 1217 00:49:21.320 --> 00:49:25.480 with auto research as they just ran loops after loops night shift, 1218 00:49:25.480 --> 00:49:28.360 Dr. Night shift of auto research trying to find a framework 1219 00:49:28.360 --> 00:49:32.520 that mimicked all the other ones in terms of the way that the component 1220 00:49:32.520 --> 00:49:35.800 architecture alert looked, but beat them all in performance. 1221 00:49:35.800 --> 00:49:38.200 And it just grounded out until it was done. 1222 00:49:38.680 --> 00:49:40.920 Yeah, so they, I have not used it. 1223 00:49:40.920 --> 00:49:43.800 I read through their page for a few minutes. 1224 00:49:44.440 --> 00:49:47.320 But it basically does what I have been 1225 00:49:47.320 --> 00:49:50.040 harping on since we started this podcast, 1226 00:49:50.040 --> 00:49:52.200 since I've been talking to anyone about web development. 1227 00:49:52.200 --> 00:49:56.360 And so I'm like, why in the world do we bother being like, 1228 00:49:56.360 --> 00:49:58.920 okay, today it's classes and that goes this way. 1229 00:49:58.920 --> 00:50:02.280 And we have these, you know, component did mount or whatever. 1230 00:50:02.280 --> 00:50:04.280 And now, oh, okay, now we have hooks. 1231 00:50:04.280 --> 00:50:07.080 You have to know these hooks and everything is function based on why. 1232 00:50:07.800 --> 00:50:12.840 I know that we have the technology to write it the same forever. 1233 00:50:12.840 --> 00:50:16.280 And you change the way the compiler works to make it better. 1234 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:18.360 Don't make me keep learning new ways to do it. 1235 00:50:18.360 --> 00:50:19.320 You make it better. 1236 00:50:19.320 --> 00:50:20.520 I'm not the one that makes it better. 1237 00:50:20.520 --> 00:50:21.560 You wrote the framework. 1238 00:50:21.560 --> 00:50:24.440 So I think that's what they have here is like, it's a class. 1239 00:50:24.440 --> 00:50:25.400 You increment a thing. 1240 00:50:26.040 --> 00:50:28.680 It's kind of how it's felt used to be like before. 1241 00:50:29.560 --> 00:50:30.200 Felt five. 1242 00:50:31.720 --> 00:50:33.000 It like, you would increment a thing. 1243 00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:34.040 It's like, cool, you increment it. 1244 00:50:34.040 --> 00:50:34.680 It dope. 1245 00:50:34.680 --> 00:50:35.240 I updated. 1246 00:50:35.960 --> 00:50:39.560 They're like, cool, why, why, why is this a problem everywhere else? 1247 00:50:39.560 --> 00:50:40.600 Like, I don't know why. 1248 00:50:41.560 --> 00:50:42.840 There was a was ceremony. 1249 00:50:42.840 --> 00:50:45.240 There's I think a lot of people, I think there's two things here. 1250 00:50:45.240 --> 00:50:46.760 And I totally, I think a lot of people 1251 00:50:48.280 --> 00:50:52.920 ceremony creates exclusivity and they want to feel better than other people. 1252 00:50:52.920 --> 00:50:56.360 They're not interested actually in the way that we can all get better faster. 1253 00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:57.720 They're interested in the way that their 1254 00:50:59.000 --> 00:51:02.600 solution looks more complex and more advanced than yours. 1255 00:51:02.600 --> 00:51:04.120 They want to be a bigger person. 1256 00:51:04.120 --> 00:51:06.680 This is like the, it's an arrogance issue. 1257 00:51:06.680 --> 00:51:09.240 And our industry has been full of arrogance for a long, long time. 1258 00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:12.520 So I, I think that, I just shared my toses. 1259 00:51:12.520 --> 00:51:14.280 Did you ever use my toses or know what that was? 1260 00:51:15.640 --> 00:51:18.520 I feel like we talked about this, but I already forgot. 1261 00:51:19.400 --> 00:51:22.280 No worries, it was a component model that you learned once 1262 00:51:22.280 --> 00:51:25.240 and it can output into any of the frameworks because it has a compiler. 1263 00:51:25.240 --> 00:51:27.720 And so that they go once further than what you're describing. 1264 00:51:27.720 --> 00:51:29.400 Yeah, okay, so I just just grabbed that. 1265 00:51:30.120 --> 00:51:32.440 Anyway, that's really interesting. 1266 00:51:32.440 --> 00:51:33.320 So yeah, G is out there. 1267 00:51:33.320 --> 00:51:36.360 I do agree with you though that it uses JSX and I was like, big mistake. 1268 00:51:37.320 --> 00:51:38.840 I don't like JSX. 1269 00:51:38.840 --> 00:51:41.400 It is wildly limiting and ugly. 1270 00:51:41.400 --> 00:51:43.240 So why are we continuing to use this? 1271 00:51:43.240 --> 00:51:44.200 We, I don't know. 1272 00:51:44.200 --> 00:51:45.400 It's driving me nuts. 1273 00:51:45.400 --> 00:51:47.080 I also really liked. 1274 00:51:47.080 --> 00:51:49.160 And I know that we're probably never going to go back to this. 1275 00:51:49.160 --> 00:51:50.200 Unfortunately. 1276 00:51:50.200 --> 00:51:50.840 Say pug. 1277 00:51:50.840 --> 00:51:51.320 Say pug. 1278 00:51:52.200 --> 00:51:52.920 No, okay. 1279 00:51:52.920 --> 00:51:58.360 Well, um, separate, a separate file for your template 1280 00:51:58.360 --> 00:52:01.080 and a separate file for your JavaScript logic. 1281 00:52:01.880 --> 00:52:04.040 Like, I prefer to have the separate. 1282 00:52:04.920 --> 00:52:08.920 Like, um, like Ember used to have, um, now it's single file components. 1283 00:52:08.920 --> 00:52:11.080 So it's like your template and your JavaScript 1284 00:52:11.080 --> 00:52:12.200 and your all the stuff is there. 1285 00:52:12.760 --> 00:52:15.080 But it used to be a handlebars file. 1286 00:52:15.640 --> 00:52:19.240 And then there was a backing JavaScript class that was in a different file. 1287 00:52:19.240 --> 00:52:22.680 And anytime I would use a new framework, I would look up 1288 00:52:22.680 --> 00:52:23.960 how can I make it like this? 1289 00:52:23.960 --> 00:52:27.000 So when I used to use Viewsum, you could do that for a while before they got 1290 00:52:27.000 --> 00:52:28.520 rid of the ability to do that. 1291 00:52:28.520 --> 00:52:29.560 So you like to MVC? 1292 00:52:29.560 --> 00:52:30.520 Yeah, you had a view. 1293 00:52:31.160 --> 00:52:32.440 You had a controller and a model. 1294 00:52:32.920 --> 00:52:34.840 Yeah, kind of one step further and what you're describing. 1295 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:36.760 Otherwise, you're talking about MVVM. 1296 00:52:37.400 --> 00:52:39.800 You had a model, a view model and a model. 1297 00:52:40.440 --> 00:52:40.920 No, yeah. 1298 00:52:40.920 --> 00:52:45.080 MVC is how Ember initially was and then they got rid of views. 1299 00:52:45.080 --> 00:52:46.440 And it was just components. 1300 00:52:46.440 --> 00:52:49.160 So it was like models and components and controllers. 1301 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:51.400 I guess a little, a little murky. 1302 00:52:51.400 --> 00:52:56.280 But, um, I just like also a dedicated template language. 1303 00:52:56.280 --> 00:52:58.600 Like, I want an if else in my template. 1304 00:52:58.600 --> 00:53:01.400 I don't want a nested, turnary bullshit. 1305 00:53:01.400 --> 00:53:02.680 I want an if else. 1306 00:53:04.760 --> 00:53:05.080 Yeah. 1307 00:53:05.640 --> 00:53:07.240 So like solid, I think, has that right? 1308 00:53:07.240 --> 00:53:08.920 Like, they have several ways you can do it. 1309 00:53:08.920 --> 00:53:14.040 You can do like react DJs X or you can do like a actual if else, I think, 1310 00:53:14.040 --> 00:53:15.000 unless I'm totally. 1311 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:17.000 And it's felt as it, but I don't love it. 1312 00:53:17.880 --> 00:53:18.360 That's funny. 1313 00:53:18.360 --> 00:53:19.080 You said handlebars. 1314 00:53:19.080 --> 00:53:19.880 Why not moustache? 1315 00:53:20.600 --> 00:53:23.960 I liked jade or pug, which were often separate files. 1316 00:53:23.960 --> 00:53:25.400 And I just liked how clean it was. 1317 00:53:25.400 --> 00:53:29.480 It's just devoid of like, I didn't like handlebars because it felt so wordy. 1318 00:53:29.480 --> 00:53:31.480 The worst one that was EJS. 1319 00:53:31.480 --> 00:53:33.800 That was the one I was like, you asshole. 1320 00:53:33.800 --> 00:53:35.800 You brought EJS into this project. 1321 00:53:35.800 --> 00:53:36.920 Son of a bitch. 1322 00:53:36.920 --> 00:53:39.960 Oh, yeah, I'm a struggle reading that crap 1323 00:53:39.960 --> 00:53:41.160 for the rest of this project. 1324 00:53:41.160 --> 00:53:42.360 I don't know if I ever saw EJS. 1325 00:53:42.360 --> 00:53:43.560 I saw pug for sure. 1326 00:53:44.520 --> 00:53:47.400 And jade, but yeah, I don't, what was EJS? 1327 00:53:47.400 --> 00:53:48.200 What was different about it? 1328 00:53:48.760 --> 00:53:50.040 It had percentages. 1329 00:53:50.040 --> 00:53:53.000 So it used to seem like the, the limiter was a percentage sign. 1330 00:53:53.720 --> 00:53:56.360 It was just full of characters. 1331 00:53:56.360 --> 00:53:59.240 And you looked at it and you're just like, this is not clean. 1332 00:53:59.880 --> 00:54:02.440 See, I actually wonder if that's what Ember CLI uses. 1333 00:54:02.440 --> 00:54:04.520 So like, I don't ever touch that 1334 00:54:04.520 --> 00:54:06.360 because it's like in the build tool itself, 1335 00:54:06.360 --> 00:54:08.200 but they have if else is for like, 1336 00:54:09.240 --> 00:54:12.120 if you're using TypeScript, do this stuff. 1337 00:54:12.120 --> 00:54:13.320 If you're not do this other stuff, 1338 00:54:13.320 --> 00:54:15.160 and it like gets rid of whole sections, 1339 00:54:15.160 --> 00:54:18.440 and it's like, you know, less than percent if... 1340 00:54:18.440 --> 00:54:19.880 Handlebars, it says. 1341 00:54:21.080 --> 00:54:23.160 HBS files for the Ember CLI. 1342 00:54:23.800 --> 00:54:26.040 No, no, I mean like building the CLI, 1343 00:54:26.040 --> 00:54:27.880 like the code that builds the CLI. 1344 00:54:27.880 --> 00:54:31.720 Not the handlebars that you use for writing Ember code. 1345 00:54:34.760 --> 00:54:36.440 So yeah, it's a weird syntax. 1346 00:54:36.440 --> 00:54:37.160 It's kind of gross. 1347 00:54:37.160 --> 00:54:38.280 It might be what you're talking about. 1348 00:54:39.160 --> 00:54:39.800 I don't see it. 1349 00:54:39.800 --> 00:54:42.040 Yeah, EJS did have an advantage like that too. 1350 00:54:42.040 --> 00:54:43.640 I think it was, it could be compiled. 1351 00:54:44.360 --> 00:54:46.280 But so could Pug and Jade. 1352 00:54:46.280 --> 00:54:47.480 So I don't know. 1353 00:54:48.600 --> 00:54:50.360 And I'd preferred the name Jade over Pug, 1354 00:54:50.360 --> 00:54:51.640 but whatever, he sued. 1355 00:54:51.640 --> 00:54:53.000 So bummer. 1356 00:54:54.360 --> 00:54:56.040 Okay, we've got more news. 1357 00:54:56.120 --> 00:54:57.560 And we're at 53 minutes, man. 1358 00:54:57.560 --> 00:54:58.680 What are we going to burn through here? 1359 00:55:02.920 --> 00:55:03.960 Oh, here I could wrap it fire. 1360 00:55:03.960 --> 00:55:05.320 So ChatGPT has ads. 1361 00:55:06.360 --> 00:55:07.160 We knew it was coming. 1362 00:55:07.160 --> 00:55:08.040 And now they're here. 1363 00:55:08.040 --> 00:55:10.440 Also open AI quietly kills Sora. 1364 00:55:11.480 --> 00:55:14.280 So anybody who is enjoying watching all the weird 1365 00:55:14.280 --> 00:55:16.520 Super Bowl commercial style videos 1366 00:55:16.520 --> 00:55:18.360 that people are making with AI, it's gone. 1367 00:55:18.360 --> 00:55:20.840 And the thing that got me, and I don't know why I hadn't 1368 00:55:20.840 --> 00:55:21.560 thought of this yet, 1369 00:55:22.280 --> 00:55:24.760 was that all of these hosting companies 1370 00:55:24.840 --> 00:55:26.280 are basically selling your data. 1371 00:55:26.840 --> 00:55:29.000 They're selling your code to other people 1372 00:55:30.520 --> 00:55:31.640 without you knowing it. 1373 00:55:31.640 --> 00:55:33.000 So they're like, oh, yeah, 1374 00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:34.200 here host, but that's for free. 1375 00:55:34.200 --> 00:55:35.480 Yeah, put it up on our site. 1376 00:55:35.480 --> 00:55:36.680 And so then they take it and they go, 1377 00:55:36.680 --> 00:55:37.320 hey, bitters, 1378 00:55:38.200 --> 00:55:39.640 you're looking to train models, right? 1379 00:55:39.640 --> 00:55:41.160 You want to train them on some code? 1380 00:55:41.160 --> 00:55:42.760 We've got code for you. 1381 00:55:43.560 --> 00:55:45.160 Yeah, we told them. 1382 00:55:45.160 --> 00:55:48.680 Yeah, they clicked accept on the privacy thing when they signed up. 1383 00:55:48.680 --> 00:55:50.200 Yeah, yeah, it was 50 pages long. 1384 00:55:50.920 --> 00:55:52.280 Yeah, it's okay. 1385 00:55:52.280 --> 00:55:53.720 And so yeah, we've got rights to this code. 1386 00:55:53.720 --> 00:55:56.360 You can have it, but you got to pay us to get. 1387 00:55:56.360 --> 00:55:57.160 We got it for free. 1388 00:55:57.160 --> 00:55:58.840 You can pay us to get. 1389 00:55:58.840 --> 00:55:59.720 Dude, I can't believe 1390 00:55:59.720 --> 00:56:00.760 some of these people are doing this. 1391 00:56:01.400 --> 00:56:02.120 What a shame. 1392 00:56:02.120 --> 00:56:03.240 Everything to do. 1393 00:56:03.240 --> 00:56:05.960 You're the product, if you're not paying for it, 1394 00:56:05.960 --> 00:56:06.680 you're the product. 1395 00:56:06.680 --> 00:56:08.440 Even if you're paying for sometimes, 1396 00:56:08.440 --> 00:56:10.200 like if you're hosting on Versailles 1397 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:11.080 and you're paying for it, 1398 00:56:11.080 --> 00:56:12.040 you're still. 1399 00:56:12.040 --> 00:56:13.240 I didn't read into that either. 1400 00:56:13.240 --> 00:56:13.880 That's the thing. 1401 00:56:13.880 --> 00:56:14.840 If you're paying for these, 1402 00:56:14.840 --> 00:56:16.280 a lot of them will still sell your shit. 1403 00:56:16.280 --> 00:56:19.160 So I'm like, where do I go so that they're not selling my shit? 1404 00:56:19.160 --> 00:56:19.960 That'd be great. 1405 00:56:19.960 --> 00:56:22.920 Well, that's the enterprise plan where you pay them a lot. 1406 00:56:24.520 --> 00:56:26.920 Right, the private stuff where you're like, 1407 00:56:26.920 --> 00:56:29.240 oh yeah, well, that's also when you get your own server, 1408 00:56:29.240 --> 00:56:29.480 right? 1409 00:56:29.480 --> 00:56:31.240 You're not just a shared slice on a, 1410 00:56:31.240 --> 00:56:32.360 I'll have like a, 1411 00:56:32.360 --> 00:56:34.040 I always like to think of hosting as a, 1412 00:56:34.040 --> 00:56:36.680 sometimes you have an apartment in a complex. 1413 00:56:37.480 --> 00:56:39.560 You know, like if you think you bought a house 1414 00:56:39.560 --> 00:56:40.520 and you didn't do it, 1415 00:56:40.520 --> 00:56:41.880 you just got, you got a room. 1416 00:56:41.880 --> 00:56:43.720 And you don't even have a bathroom. 1417 00:56:43.720 --> 00:56:45.720 Like an Airbnb where they like, 1418 00:56:45.720 --> 00:56:47.080 they rent you just the bedroom, 1419 00:56:47.080 --> 00:56:48.280 you know, like not the whole house. 1420 00:56:48.280 --> 00:56:48.840 Yeah, exactly. 1421 00:56:50.280 --> 00:56:51.320 And oh, sorry. 1422 00:56:51.320 --> 00:56:52.280 Is this someone coming to your room? 1423 00:56:52.280 --> 00:56:53.000 They opened the door. 1424 00:56:53.000 --> 00:56:53.640 Ooh, our bad. 1425 00:56:53.640 --> 00:56:54.440 Yeah. 1426 00:56:54.440 --> 00:56:56.680 That happens because you're an apartment. 1427 00:56:56.680 --> 00:56:56.920 So. 1428 00:56:58.120 --> 00:57:00.600 But you can hear everything everyone else is doing as well. 1429 00:57:01.800 --> 00:57:02.600 So funny. 1430 00:57:02.600 --> 00:57:04.440 Have you tried CMUX or seen that one? 1431 00:57:04.440 --> 00:57:05.720 CMUX? 1432 00:57:05.720 --> 00:57:06.520 I've seen it. 1433 00:57:06.520 --> 00:57:07.560 I have not used it. 1434 00:57:09.800 --> 00:57:10.920 I'm just happy with, 1435 00:57:10.920 --> 00:57:12.920 with warp and open code. 1436 00:57:12.920 --> 00:57:13.960 Like I don't, 1437 00:57:13.960 --> 00:57:14.520 yeah. 1438 00:57:14.520 --> 00:57:17.160 I like the idea of the vertical vertical. 1439 00:57:18.200 --> 00:57:18.920 Yeah, the vertical. 1440 00:57:18.920 --> 00:57:20.520 Okay, so yeah, yeah. 1441 00:57:21.480 --> 00:57:24.280 The tabs on the left side going down vertically. 1442 00:57:24.280 --> 00:57:25.560 Yeah, I like that idea. 1443 00:57:25.560 --> 00:57:26.680 And like that would be, 1444 00:57:26.680 --> 00:57:29.240 you could have more context about like what each tab is doing 1445 00:57:29.240 --> 00:57:31.240 than like the little tabs on your terminal, I guess. 1446 00:57:33.640 --> 00:57:34.760 But I'm, 1447 00:57:34.760 --> 00:57:35.800 I've been really enjoying. 1448 00:57:35.800 --> 00:57:38.760 I finally installed the peon-paying stuff 1449 00:57:38.760 --> 00:57:39.480 on all my machines. 1450 00:57:39.480 --> 00:57:40.440 Yes. 1451 00:57:40.440 --> 00:57:42.760 And it's so, I like that. 1452 00:57:42.760 --> 00:57:43.640 I don't need to, 1453 00:57:43.640 --> 00:57:45.000 it'll let me know which one's done. 1454 00:57:45.000 --> 00:57:45.720 I'll go look at it. 1455 00:57:45.720 --> 00:57:48.200 I don't need like a bunch of tabs to monitor that. 1456 00:57:49.160 --> 00:57:49.960 I need it because, 1457 00:57:50.680 --> 00:57:51.480 well, it's the way I, 1458 00:57:51.480 --> 00:57:53.160 so warp does this really well. 1459 00:57:53.160 --> 00:57:54.760 Ghosty doesn't do this very well. 1460 00:57:54.760 --> 00:57:57.640 Ghosty doesn't allow you to change the tab name very easy. 1461 00:57:57.640 --> 00:57:58.440 And the other thing too, 1462 00:57:58.440 --> 00:57:59.640 is when you change the tab name, 1463 00:57:59.640 --> 00:58:01.880 you only change it for the pane that you had selected. 1464 00:58:01.880 --> 00:58:04.040 And I have the problem with my terminal war. 1465 00:58:04.040 --> 00:58:06.440 I generally have four up per tab. 1466 00:58:08.360 --> 00:58:09.400 Just a lot. 1467 00:58:09.400 --> 00:58:10.360 And same in warp. 1468 00:58:10.360 --> 00:58:12.280 But warp allows me to name the tab 1469 00:58:12.280 --> 00:58:14.360 and create like a project. 1470 00:58:14.360 --> 00:58:16.680 So like when I'm working on the color input, for example, 1471 00:58:16.680 --> 00:58:17.480 I'll have four up. 1472 00:58:18.520 --> 00:58:19.640 I'll have, 1473 00:58:19.640 --> 00:58:20.760 anyway, who cares what I'm running? 1474 00:58:20.760 --> 00:58:22.920 But I have, I have a lot of different moments inside. 1475 00:58:22.920 --> 00:58:24.200 The one's running the dev server. 1476 00:58:24.200 --> 00:58:26.040 One is a, a clot agent, 1477 00:58:26.040 --> 00:58:26.840 one's a pie agent, 1478 00:58:26.840 --> 00:58:29.720 one's a chat GPT through warp. 1479 00:58:31.480 --> 00:58:33.400 And I want to switch to another project. 1480 00:58:33.400 --> 00:58:34.520 And I want it to be seamless. 1481 00:58:34.520 --> 00:58:35.880 And I want to see what I'm clicking on 1482 00:58:35.880 --> 00:58:37.160 and CMUX has that going on. 1483 00:58:37.160 --> 00:58:39.080 But I kind of want to tease that there's T-MUX, 1484 00:58:39.080 --> 00:58:40.760 CMUX, and G-MUX now. 1485 00:58:41.880 --> 00:58:43.160 And that's just funny. 1486 00:58:43.160 --> 00:58:44.680 I think that's just a hilarious, 1487 00:58:44.680 --> 00:58:46.440 terribly named set of products. 1488 00:58:46.440 --> 00:58:48.920 Yeah, let's have B-MUX or B-MUX. 1489 00:58:49.240 --> 00:58:50.120 Exactly. 1490 00:58:50.120 --> 00:58:51.080 Who wants a new product? 1491 00:58:51.080 --> 00:58:52.440 If you're creating a new product 1492 00:58:52.440 --> 00:58:53.880 and you want it to be trendy right now, 1493 00:58:53.880 --> 00:58:55.960 it should be a letter C-MUX. 1494 00:58:55.960 --> 00:58:57.080 Be the last MUX. 1495 00:58:57.080 --> 00:58:58.520 C-MUX, you've got to be Z, dude. 1496 00:58:58.520 --> 00:59:00.040 C's cooler, X-MUX. 1497 00:59:00.040 --> 00:59:01.560 More X's are always cooler. 1498 00:59:01.560 --> 00:59:03.240 Just have extra than rhyme with it. 1499 00:59:03.240 --> 00:59:05.720 You got to have that Z-B-T. 1500 00:59:09.560 --> 00:59:10.440 Here's more. 1501 00:59:10.440 --> 00:59:11.320 Go ahead, yeah, yeah. 1502 00:59:11.320 --> 00:59:12.840 I was going to say, speaking of ghost-E, 1503 00:59:12.840 --> 00:59:16.680 did you see that Mitchell joins Vercell's board? 1504 00:59:17.480 --> 00:59:18.600 No way. 1505 00:59:21.320 --> 00:59:22.920 Because he needs to money, I think. 1506 00:59:22.920 --> 00:59:23.560 He was hurting. 1507 00:59:23.560 --> 00:59:25.160 Yeah, to be on that board, 1508 00:59:25.160 --> 00:59:26.520 or is it just like status? 1509 00:59:27.240 --> 00:59:29.800 I think every board pays very well. 1510 00:59:30.520 --> 00:59:32.520 Like any real company they're on the board 1511 00:59:32.520 --> 00:59:33.320 from my understanding, 1512 00:59:33.320 --> 00:59:35.000 you're making like 500 K plus, 1513 00:59:35.000 --> 00:59:36.040 just to sit there and go, 1514 00:59:36.040 --> 00:59:37.240 my opinion is this. 1515 00:59:38.920 --> 00:59:43.240 But yeah, I thought that was interesting. 1516 00:59:43.240 --> 00:59:44.840 I don't know if that has anything. 1517 00:59:44.840 --> 00:59:46.520 I'm guessing it has nothing to do with ghost-E. 1518 00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:49.160 He'll just continue to make that himself. 1519 00:59:49.160 --> 00:59:52.360 But I thought that was interesting. 1520 00:59:52.360 --> 00:59:54.440 I didn't know he was even talking to them 1521 00:59:54.440 --> 00:59:55.720 about doing any of that stuff. 1522 00:59:56.920 --> 00:59:58.040 Yeah, that is interesting. 1523 00:59:58.040 --> 00:59:58.520 I agree. 1524 00:59:59.640 --> 01:00:00.840 I don't know what to think of it yet. 1525 01:00:00.840 --> 01:00:03.000 I don't have to process that over time. 1526 01:00:03.000 --> 01:00:03.800 I like ghost-E. 1527 01:00:03.800 --> 01:00:04.680 It's the one I use at work, 1528 01:00:04.680 --> 01:00:07.720 but I'd rather use C-MUX or something else. 1529 01:00:08.360 --> 01:00:10.840 C-MUX is a fork of ghost-E, 1530 01:00:10.840 --> 01:00:11.960 if I understand correctly. 1531 01:00:12.680 --> 01:00:13.160 Yes. 1532 01:00:14.120 --> 01:00:17.400 A couple other news items here before we hit our time 1533 01:00:17.400 --> 01:00:18.520 and start talking about whiskey. 1534 01:00:18.520 --> 01:00:20.280 I want to talk about some skills 1535 01:00:20.280 --> 01:00:21.800 that have been making me happy. 1536 01:00:22.760 --> 01:00:24.280 And they're from an old coworker 1537 01:00:24.280 --> 01:00:25.320 that I worked with at Google. 1538 01:00:25.800 --> 01:00:27.240 And they are called, 1539 01:00:27.240 --> 01:00:29.000 the first one's a bunch of design skills 1540 01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:30.120 for you called impeccable. 1541 01:00:31.160 --> 01:00:33.240 And the second set is some shaders 1542 01:00:34.120 --> 01:00:35.400 called Radiant. 1543 01:00:35.400 --> 01:00:36.440 And so I've linked them. 1544 01:00:36.440 --> 01:00:37.640 And they'll be in the show notes here. 1545 01:00:37.640 --> 01:00:39.720 But RadiantShaders.com 1546 01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:41.640 or impeccable.style. 1547 01:00:41.720 --> 01:00:43.720 I think it's the other one's a impeccable.style. 1548 01:00:43.720 --> 01:00:44.920 Yeah, impeccable.style. 1549 01:00:44.920 --> 01:00:45.800 And these have been really nice. 1550 01:00:45.800 --> 01:00:46.680 The impeccable ones are fun, 1551 01:00:46.680 --> 01:00:47.640 where it's like, 1552 01:00:47.640 --> 01:00:49.800 hey, I want to simplify this. 1553 01:00:49.800 --> 01:00:51.560 How often do you have a UI 1554 01:00:51.560 --> 01:00:52.200 that you're like, well, 1555 01:00:52.200 --> 01:00:53.880 let's get really crowded and complex? 1556 01:00:54.760 --> 01:00:56.440 Invoke the skill-simplify on it 1557 01:00:56.440 --> 01:00:58.280 and we'll do a simplification pass. 1558 01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.880 Do a interactions pass, 1559 01:01:01.880 --> 01:01:02.840 where it's like, hey, I don't know, 1560 01:01:02.840 --> 01:01:03.880 it's feeling very static. 1561 01:01:03.880 --> 01:01:06.120 Find a way to make this feel more interactive. 1562 01:01:06.120 --> 01:01:09.800 Hey, I need you to make it pop. 1563 01:01:09.880 --> 01:01:11.480 And it'll find a way to add some color 1564 01:01:11.480 --> 01:01:12.280 in an interesting way. 1565 01:01:12.280 --> 01:01:14.280 And so that's been a cool set. 1566 01:01:14.280 --> 01:01:15.880 And then the shaders one is I just, 1567 01:01:16.440 --> 01:01:17.480 the shaders are cool. 1568 01:01:17.480 --> 01:01:19.400 I never know when or where to use them. 1569 01:01:19.400 --> 01:01:21.000 But I keep putting them in my pocket, 1570 01:01:21.000 --> 01:01:21.960 like a hoarder. 1571 01:01:21.960 --> 01:01:23.080 I hoard shaders. 1572 01:01:23.080 --> 01:01:24.120 And all the shader websites, 1573 01:01:24.120 --> 01:01:25.000 I'm like, oh, 1574 01:01:25.000 --> 01:01:26.840 shader website, the generation shaders. 1575 01:01:26.840 --> 01:01:28.200 I don't know what I'm going to do with it, 1576 01:01:28.200 --> 01:01:29.560 but I'm going to put it in my pocket. 1577 01:01:30.520 --> 01:01:33.880 So that's some cool tools that I've collected this week 1578 01:01:33.880 --> 01:01:34.840 in terms of skills. 1579 01:01:36.840 --> 01:01:37.560 Nice. 1580 01:01:37.560 --> 01:01:39.400 Yeah, I have not collected any cool tools. 1581 01:01:39.880 --> 01:01:42.520 But a what not thing that I thought was cool. 1582 01:01:44.120 --> 01:01:46.200 Have you seen the United relax row 1583 01:01:46.760 --> 01:01:47.640 that they announced? 1584 01:01:49.160 --> 01:01:50.520 No, what's, I mean, 1585 01:01:50.520 --> 01:01:52.120 I've seen the ones that have like, 1586 01:01:52.120 --> 01:01:55.640 slide out, lay down beds and stuff like, what is this? 1587 01:01:55.640 --> 01:01:59.080 Yeah, so it's, you get all three seats in the row. 1588 01:01:59.960 --> 01:02:03.800 And they all have footrests that go all the way up. 1589 01:02:03.800 --> 01:02:05.240 So it can be like one big bed. 1590 01:02:06.040 --> 01:02:07.960 So like they advertise it with like, 1591 01:02:08.040 --> 01:02:09.960 you know, if you've got kids and it's nap time, 1592 01:02:09.960 --> 01:02:12.280 they can like, you can lay them down there. 1593 01:02:12.280 --> 01:02:13.000 Whatever, like, 1594 01:02:14.200 --> 01:02:17.000 I think it's a really good idea because like, 1595 01:02:17.640 --> 01:02:20.120 we, I think Caitlin bought this thing, 1596 01:02:21.000 --> 01:02:23.000 like a big blow up thing you can put in the floor 1597 01:02:23.000 --> 01:02:24.440 to like kind of make it like that. 1598 01:02:24.440 --> 01:02:26.600 So you have like a big bed. 1599 01:02:27.640 --> 01:02:29.320 But that's not super practical 1600 01:02:29.320 --> 01:02:31.960 to have to like blow up on the plane, you know. 1601 01:02:33.800 --> 01:02:35.480 Yeah, don't mind me. 1602 01:02:35.960 --> 01:02:39.400 So I think it's blowing up a thing. 1603 01:02:39.400 --> 01:02:40.200 Oh, that's funny. 1604 01:02:40.200 --> 01:02:41.480 Yeah, I think this is going to be cool. 1605 01:02:41.480 --> 01:02:42.360 I'm also like, 1606 01:02:43.240 --> 01:02:45.960 you know, since we're going to have five people 1607 01:02:45.960 --> 01:02:47.960 that need seats on a plane, 1608 01:02:50.440 --> 01:02:52.680 we'll just get six and like get two of those rows 1609 01:02:52.680 --> 01:02:53.880 and like ball out. 1610 01:02:54.680 --> 01:02:56.680 So I'm excited for it because I'm, 1611 01:02:56.680 --> 01:02:58.120 I imagine it's going to be cheaper 1612 01:02:58.120 --> 01:03:01.160 than the like actual United Polaris lay down seats 1613 01:03:01.160 --> 01:03:03.640 that are like, you know, beds for like international travel 1614 01:03:03.720 --> 01:03:06.280 or whatever, um, I don't know. 1615 01:03:06.280 --> 01:03:07.560 I don't know what the price is going to be like. 1616 01:03:08.680 --> 01:03:10.280 It's probably an arm and a leg. 1617 01:03:10.280 --> 01:03:12.760 I hope that it's, uh, you can actually lay down 1618 01:03:12.760 --> 01:03:14.200 because that's the funniest thing about the, 1619 01:03:14.200 --> 01:03:17.480 you get a business class and they're like, lay down, uh, 1620 01:03:17.480 --> 01:03:18.440 you're like, cool. 1621 01:03:18.440 --> 01:03:19.640 And then you get in there and you're like, 1622 01:03:19.640 --> 01:03:22.600 I'm not even six foot in my feet or touch in the end. 1623 01:03:22.600 --> 01:03:25.160 And I'm laying on a stupid buckle, uh, 1624 01:03:25.160 --> 01:03:27.880 and the little buckle clipped thing is jabbing right into my hip. 1625 01:03:27.880 --> 01:03:30.600 I'm like, this is, uh, so I don't want to be a whiner 1626 01:03:30.600 --> 01:03:32.760 everybody, but this shit is kind of wack. 1627 01:03:32.840 --> 01:03:35.080 It also matters which one you get. 1628 01:03:35.080 --> 01:03:37.960 Cause so we did United Polaris to go to Italy. 1629 01:03:38.600 --> 01:03:42.760 And, um, the first one, I think we were on like, 1630 01:03:43.560 --> 01:03:45.640 the far side, like on the window seat. 1631 01:03:45.640 --> 01:03:47.880 And then there's like a middle aisle with two next to each other 1632 01:03:47.880 --> 01:03:48.920 that we got the next time. 1633 01:03:49.560 --> 01:03:51.560 Yeah, I can't remember which was better, 1634 01:03:51.560 --> 01:03:53.160 but I remember one or the other of them. 1635 01:03:53.800 --> 01:03:55.160 It might have been the one next to each other. 1636 01:03:55.160 --> 01:03:56.840 Cause I think we were like, we should just do this next time. 1637 01:03:56.840 --> 01:03:58.120 Cause one, you're right next to each other. 1638 01:03:58.120 --> 01:03:59.400 So we want to talk or whatever. 1639 01:03:59.400 --> 01:04:02.520 But then two, I think it also because they were more straight 1640 01:04:02.600 --> 01:04:05.160 and not angled, you got more leg room and like, 1641 01:04:06.200 --> 01:04:06.840 they was better. 1642 01:04:06.840 --> 01:04:09.480 So I'm, yeah, cause I had some problems with the first one too. 1643 01:04:10.280 --> 01:04:13.080 But, um, yeah, I don't know, first world problems, I guess. 1644 01:04:13.720 --> 01:04:15.720 Uh, that's totally for, yeah, absolutely. 1645 01:04:15.720 --> 01:04:17.640 I'm a business class and I'm still uncomfortable. 1646 01:04:17.640 --> 01:04:20.360 Everyone in the back is just like, can't even like bend their knees. 1647 01:04:20.360 --> 01:04:21.800 Or they're like straight in their legs out. 1648 01:04:21.800 --> 01:04:25.320 I'm like over here watching 10 movies and they, yeah, seriously. 1649 01:04:26.520 --> 01:04:27.720 Oh, funny flying. 1650 01:04:27.720 --> 01:04:28.600 I hate flying. 1651 01:04:28.600 --> 01:04:31.560 I don't know if we talked about that, but I just hate it every day. 1652 01:04:31.720 --> 01:04:36.120 Well, luckily you get to do the longest continental US flight here pretty soon 1653 01:04:36.120 --> 01:04:37.080 for React Miami. 1654 01:04:37.800 --> 01:04:38.760 Sure do. 1655 01:04:38.760 --> 01:04:42.440 Hey, but that's not, that's nothing compared to the Amsterdam I'm flying to in the summer time. 1656 01:04:42.440 --> 01:04:44.120 So that's a lot of flight. 1657 01:04:44.920 --> 01:04:46.040 Yeah, yeah. 1658 01:04:46.040 --> 01:04:49.480 When I went before, because I, I went and spoke at, um, 1659 01:04:49.480 --> 01:04:50.840 Web DevCon in Seattle. 1660 01:04:51.400 --> 01:04:54.360 And so I did that flight to react Miami right afterwards. 1661 01:04:55.000 --> 01:05:00.120 And I was like, yeah, I, I, I did it like from Virginia to Seattle, 1662 01:05:00.120 --> 01:05:05.640 to Miami, to Virginia, and like somehow, like, 1663 01:05:06.520 --> 01:05:08.360 with that all on Amazon's cart. 1664 01:05:10.600 --> 01:05:14.520 I was like, how is it like four different legs almost flight? 1665 01:05:14.520 --> 01:05:15.480 Like, how does that compute? 1666 01:05:15.480 --> 01:05:17.800 But they were like, oh, you're just going to speak in Seattle. 1667 01:05:17.800 --> 01:05:20.120 I guess I am because it was an internal Amazon conference. 1668 01:05:20.120 --> 01:05:24.840 So like, oh, um, but yeah, I don't know. 1669 01:05:24.840 --> 01:05:26.600 It was, uh, it was interesting. 1670 01:05:27.080 --> 01:05:29.720 Um, well, what do you think of our whiskey? 1671 01:05:29.720 --> 01:05:33.880 So we've got, um, yeah, the muff, the muff liquor company, 1672 01:05:33.880 --> 01:05:37.320 which is, I'm glad you said muff liquor because there's a funny song. 1673 01:05:37.320 --> 01:05:39.400 I listened to, uh, called muff hugger. 1674 01:05:40.200 --> 01:05:42.520 Uh, right, like, I'm a muff hugger. 1675 01:05:43.400 --> 01:05:45.080 Uh, and so this is muff liquor. 1676 01:05:45.080 --> 01:05:47.960 I'm like, this is, this is like a whole chain of funny jokes about it. 1677 01:05:48.600 --> 01:05:50.440 Um, yeah, yeah, what do you think? 1678 01:05:51.000 --> 01:05:51.880 Um, okay. 1679 01:05:51.960 --> 01:05:58.040 So before I say, let me just read a little bit about why this, 1680 01:05:58.040 --> 01:05:59.320 so this is a lot going on. 1681 01:05:59.320 --> 01:06:01.800 It is, there's five different legs. 1682 01:06:01.800 --> 01:06:05.240 And there's an Irish triple distilled grain and a virgin cask. 1683 01:06:06.040 --> 01:06:11.160 There's an Irish triple distilled grain and an ex-American bourbon cask. 1684 01:06:11.160 --> 01:06:13.320 There's a, what does an ex-American mean? 1685 01:06:13.320 --> 01:06:15.240 It means that like it was American and now it's Irish. 1686 01:06:16.040 --> 01:06:19.880 Just, it just means it was a bourbon cask. 1687 01:06:19.880 --> 01:06:21.640 I don't know. I'm just reading what's with this road here. 1688 01:06:22.040 --> 01:06:29.160 Um, there's a sherry cask, um, that had a malt whiskey in it. 1689 01:06:29.640 --> 01:06:32.040 There's a double distilled Irish malt whiskey. 1690 01:06:32.840 --> 01:06:34.440 Doesn't say what that was aged in. 1691 01:06:34.440 --> 01:06:41.400 And there's a peated triple distilled malt whiskey that is again matured in bourbon casks. 1692 01:06:41.400 --> 01:06:44.440 So it's basically, to me, this tastes like, 1693 01:06:45.320 --> 01:06:47.640 okay, if I have a lot of whiskey, which I do, right? 1694 01:06:47.640 --> 01:06:48.920 So I'm like, all right, I got a scotch. 1695 01:06:48.920 --> 01:06:51.960 I got a bourbon. I got an Irish. 1696 01:06:52.920 --> 01:06:54.840 Um, I got a little bit left in each of these. 1697 01:06:54.840 --> 01:06:57.480 Let me just throw them all in with this dump bucket, right? 1698 01:06:57.480 --> 01:06:58.760 And now I'm going to just try it. 1699 01:06:59.640 --> 01:07:01.160 But that's what it tastes like to me. 1700 01:07:01.720 --> 01:07:04.280 Like, I'm not super pleased with it. 1701 01:07:04.280 --> 01:07:06.200 It's definitely not the worst whiskey I've had. 1702 01:07:06.680 --> 01:07:12.680 Um, shout out to the Daringer one that Chuck and I had that was like a straight zero. 1703 01:07:13.240 --> 01:07:14.120 Um, all right. 1704 01:07:14.120 --> 01:07:16.440 So yeah, let me, let me give this a more thought as I like, 1705 01:07:16.440 --> 01:07:18.600 taste it and tell you what I can get here. 1706 01:07:19.240 --> 01:07:19.880 Sure. Yeah. 1707 01:07:19.880 --> 01:07:20.520 And some of the things. 1708 01:07:20.520 --> 01:07:22.840 So it's, um, undisclosed to distilleries. 1709 01:07:22.840 --> 01:07:23.320 That was the thing. 1710 01:07:23.320 --> 01:07:23.880 I was like, okay. 1711 01:07:23.880 --> 01:07:24.840 Well, where did it get made? 1712 01:07:24.840 --> 01:07:26.600 And they're like, we're not going to book and tell you. 1713 01:07:27.320 --> 01:07:28.760 It's five different distilleries. 1714 01:07:28.760 --> 01:07:30.040 So you don't get to know. 1715 01:07:30.040 --> 01:07:31.000 And I'm like, oh, shit. 1716 01:07:31.000 --> 01:07:31.320 Okay. 1717 01:07:32.120 --> 01:07:35.640 Yeah, lots of different casks, different malts, different grains. 1718 01:07:35.640 --> 01:07:36.760 I'm like, oh, it's a hot podge. 1719 01:07:36.760 --> 01:07:39.480 It's 43% and I was like, what's the age? 1720 01:07:39.480 --> 01:07:40.600 And it goes NAS. 1721 01:07:41.160 --> 01:07:43.480 I was like, what the, oh, no age statement. 1722 01:07:43.560 --> 01:07:44.200 Oh, great. 1723 01:07:44.200 --> 01:07:45.480 That's, that's not a good sign. 1724 01:07:45.480 --> 01:07:47.000 That's why when I opened it up and I smelled it, 1725 01:07:47.000 --> 01:07:48.200 I was like, young, 1726 01:07:51.640 --> 01:07:52.440 not great. 1727 01:07:52.440 --> 01:07:57.400 So I'm like, God, um, there's so many jokes. 1728 01:07:57.400 --> 01:07:57.640 Yeah. 1729 01:07:57.640 --> 01:07:59.160 So yeah, young muff liquor. 1730 01:08:00.200 --> 01:08:03.400 Um, my spouse was like, I hope you make a bunch of muff jokes. 1731 01:08:03.400 --> 01:08:05.960 Like it's primo and it's just sitting there, you know, 1732 01:08:05.960 --> 01:08:07.800 because she's the one that's like grunt and gulp. 1733 01:08:07.800 --> 01:08:08.600 She thinks it's funny. 1734 01:08:09.720 --> 01:08:11.800 But the catchphrase of this place is real, 1735 01:08:11.800 --> 01:08:14.280 serious liquors with a real serious place. 1736 01:08:15.000 --> 01:08:16.120 And that's where you tongue and cheek. 1737 01:08:16.120 --> 01:08:17.320 And I was like, it's kind of like the show. 1738 01:08:17.960 --> 01:08:22.120 We're the, we're the number one highest rated most important AI show. 1739 01:08:23.080 --> 01:08:24.040 We also, that's true. 1740 01:08:24.040 --> 01:08:25.320 Anyway, that is not made up. 1741 01:08:28.680 --> 01:08:33.800 Yeah, so, um, yeah, I mean, I get a lot of notes of Pete and Smoke 1742 01:08:33.800 --> 01:08:36.280 and some sweetness from the bourbon-y stuff. 1743 01:08:36.280 --> 01:08:39.240 And there's like, I feel like there's a lot of notes 1744 01:08:40.200 --> 01:08:42.520 that just don't mesh well together. 1745 01:08:42.520 --> 01:08:45.480 And so it's like, some of these things could be good in isolation. 1746 01:08:46.040 --> 01:08:49.160 But it all in one, I don't think goes very well together. 1747 01:08:50.040 --> 01:08:52.680 That being said, I'm drinking it just fine. 1748 01:08:52.680 --> 01:08:54.920 Like I'm not super displeased. 1749 01:08:54.920 --> 01:08:56.760 So I'm not, it's definitely not a zero. 1750 01:08:57.480 --> 01:09:03.960 Um, I'm going to give it a three and a half. 1751 01:09:03.960 --> 01:09:09.560 I'm going to say not great, not terrible. 1752 01:09:10.280 --> 01:09:12.680 You know, I don't think it's expensive either. 1753 01:09:12.680 --> 01:09:14.600 So like, it's not, it's, it's pretty cheap. 1754 01:09:14.600 --> 01:09:15.160 Yeah. 1755 01:09:15.160 --> 01:09:19.640 Yeah, something to be, um, to consider is usually when it's less expensive, 1756 01:09:19.640 --> 01:09:20.520 it's not the best. 1757 01:09:20.520 --> 01:09:23.960 Although the normal saga more is 35 bucks. 1758 01:09:23.960 --> 01:09:27.160 And Buffalo traces, 20 to 30 bucks, 1759 01:09:27.720 --> 01:09:30.840 would get both of those 100 times before I bought this again. 1760 01:09:31.560 --> 01:09:34.600 So yeah, yeah, this was 45 or something like that. 1761 01:09:34.600 --> 01:09:37.480 I, uh, I give it a 4.5. 1762 01:09:38.440 --> 01:09:40.360 I just logged it with my open claw right now. 1763 01:09:40.360 --> 01:09:42.600 And I'm kind of wish I'd given it a lower number. 1764 01:09:43.320 --> 01:09:44.520 But you're, you're right, though. 1765 01:09:44.520 --> 01:09:47.000 And it's like, it's not wildly disappointing. 1766 01:09:47.000 --> 01:09:48.280 The taste is better than the smell. 1767 01:09:49.400 --> 01:09:52.600 Um, the peat in there is like a saving grace to me. 1768 01:09:53.240 --> 01:09:55.720 Um, it makes it more interesting than like a crappy, 1769 01:09:55.720 --> 01:09:58.120 but if this was like a five different bourbons mix, 1770 01:09:58.120 --> 01:09:59.320 I would have been like screw this dude. 1771 01:09:59.320 --> 01:10:00.360 I'm like upset. 1772 01:10:00.360 --> 01:10:03.000 Um, it's like young five, five different young bourbons. 1773 01:10:03.000 --> 01:10:03.800 I'm like, no, thank you. 1774 01:10:04.360 --> 01:10:05.160 Um, but this was good. 1775 01:10:05.640 --> 01:10:07.800 Um, but so just, I lied. 1776 01:10:07.800 --> 01:10:10.520 So I logged it with open claw and open claw did the thing, 1777 01:10:10.520 --> 01:10:11.720 which I keep telling it not to do, 1778 01:10:11.720 --> 01:10:13.080 which is post in the general channel. 1779 01:10:13.080 --> 01:10:14.840 I'm like, you always reply with a thread. 1780 01:10:14.840 --> 01:10:15.800 It can't listen. 1781 01:10:15.800 --> 01:10:17.000 So here's what it said. 1782 01:10:17.000 --> 01:10:18.280 You're absolutely right. 1783 01:10:18.280 --> 01:10:19.000 My bad. 1784 01:10:19.000 --> 01:10:20.360 I've been sloppy about this. 1785 01:10:20.360 --> 01:10:22.440 The rule burned into my memory now, 1786 01:10:22.440 --> 01:10:24.200 which it has said so many times. 1787 01:10:24.840 --> 01:10:27.240 You post in general, I read to get message ID. 1788 01:10:27.400 --> 01:10:28.760 Create a thread, attach that message, 1789 01:10:28.760 --> 01:10:31.160 reply inside it, never reply to general. 1790 01:10:31.160 --> 01:10:32.440 It just replied to general. 1791 01:10:32.440 --> 01:10:34.040 It replies to general all the time. 1792 01:10:34.040 --> 01:10:35.080 I'm like, stop doing that. 1793 01:10:35.080 --> 01:10:37.640 I'll also log this to my self correction thread, 1794 01:10:37.640 --> 01:10:41.240 because I had it create a thread of just self corrections, 1795 01:10:41.240 --> 01:10:43.320 so that it could like keep them in one spot, 1796 01:10:43.320 --> 01:10:43.880 same with errors. 1797 01:10:43.880 --> 01:10:46.120 I'm like, post all errors here, post all self corrections here. 1798 01:10:47.320 --> 01:10:48.200 And so it, and then it says, 1799 01:10:48.200 --> 01:10:49.400 thanks for the correction. 1800 01:10:49.400 --> 01:10:53.240 Just like, this is annoying that it's even this cordial 1801 01:10:53.240 --> 01:10:55.400 about constantly screwing up. 1802 01:10:55.400 --> 01:10:56.840 Have you tried putting it in 1803 01:10:56.920 --> 01:11:00.600 sold.md and being like critical, always make a thread. 1804 01:11:00.600 --> 01:11:02.360 Does that make any difference if you did it there? 1805 01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:03.800 Or I don't know. 1806 01:11:03.800 --> 01:11:04.440 Is that what you did? 1807 01:11:04.440 --> 01:11:06.840 Because it seems pretty good about threads. 1808 01:11:06.840 --> 01:11:08.840 And the one we have for the show. 1809 01:11:08.840 --> 01:11:13.080 Yeah, the one for the show just weirdly gets stuff right. 1810 01:11:13.080 --> 01:11:15.960 Or like the initial setup and like the first couple of weeks 1811 01:11:15.960 --> 01:11:17.800 of use was just great. 1812 01:11:17.800 --> 01:11:19.480 I was definitely team open. 1813 01:11:19.480 --> 01:11:21.080 Yes, why is it getting dumber? 1814 01:11:21.080 --> 01:11:23.080 Why is it getting minus constant? 1815 01:11:23.080 --> 01:11:25.880 Dude, it's getting dumber almost every day. 1816 01:11:25.960 --> 01:11:27.960 And I'm like, how often do you update it, though? 1817 01:11:28.920 --> 01:11:29.320 Never. 1818 01:11:30.200 --> 01:11:32.680 Okay, so I'm going to say I'd never update the one for the show. 1819 01:11:32.680 --> 01:11:35.080 Maybe it's just stuck on an old version that works better. 1820 01:11:35.080 --> 01:11:36.280 That's all I was thinking. 1821 01:11:37.240 --> 01:11:38.600 Yeah, I have an updated mind. 1822 01:11:38.600 --> 01:11:41.800 I just, yeah, maybe you need an update. 1823 01:11:41.800 --> 01:11:44.200 Maybe the specific version you're on does a couple things, 1824 01:11:44.200 --> 01:11:44.920 poorly or something. 1825 01:11:44.920 --> 01:11:47.320 Because there's a new version daily, almost. 1826 01:11:47.320 --> 01:11:48.760 Yeah, that's a really good point. 1827 01:11:48.760 --> 01:11:51.160 I should update it and it updates itself. 1828 01:11:51.160 --> 01:11:52.600 So it's not like it's that hard to do. 1829 01:11:52.600 --> 01:11:54.760 Oh, I wonder if I could just here update yourself. 1830 01:11:54.760 --> 01:11:55.880 Tell it to update itself. 1831 01:11:55.880 --> 01:11:58.360 And if it the problem I hit, though, is 1832 01:11:59.320 --> 01:12:01.320 if it doesn't require thread on would be so mad. 1833 01:12:02.520 --> 01:12:06.600 Because it uses like PNPM for the like packages or whatever, 1834 01:12:06.600 --> 01:12:09.480 if like something changes a little and it installed something, 1835 01:12:10.040 --> 01:12:12.120 you'll get like a PNPM lock change. 1836 01:12:12.840 --> 01:12:15.320 And it'll go, oh, like my get directory is not clean. 1837 01:12:15.320 --> 01:12:17.320 I can't upgrade to the next version. 1838 01:12:17.320 --> 01:12:21.560 And I'm like, um, well, how about you just do it right? 1839 01:12:21.560 --> 01:12:24.040 Like you should never have an unclean get directory. 1840 01:12:24.040 --> 01:12:25.720 If there's something you want to commit, commit it. 1841 01:12:25.720 --> 01:12:27.960 And it's like, oh, you're right, but I can't. 1842 01:12:29.000 --> 01:12:30.280 Like, what are you talking about? 1843 01:12:30.280 --> 01:12:34.760 Just if I'm really getting that error right now, I'm getting it right now. 1844 01:12:34.760 --> 01:12:36.760 So okay, so tell it how dumb it is. 1845 01:12:36.760 --> 01:12:37.560 That's what I do. 1846 01:12:37.560 --> 01:12:38.920 I swear, it's trolling me. 1847 01:12:38.920 --> 01:12:41.400 Okay. So like I said, update yourself in the general channel. 1848 01:12:41.960 --> 01:12:43.160 It creates a thread. 1849 01:12:43.160 --> 01:12:44.040 I'm like, oh, thank God. 1850 01:12:44.040 --> 01:12:44.920 It creates a thread. 1851 01:12:44.920 --> 01:12:47.000 It posts its first message into the thread. 1852 01:12:47.000 --> 01:12:49.480 And the second message back into general. 1853 01:12:51.160 --> 01:12:51.880 You do. 1854 01:12:52.120 --> 01:12:54.520 Like, oh, here it gets even worse. 1855 01:12:54.520 --> 01:12:55.800 Okay, so wait, I'm looking at the thread. 1856 01:12:55.800 --> 01:12:57.400 It goes running self update now. 1857 01:12:57.400 --> 01:12:58.280 Update skipped. 1858 01:12:58.280 --> 01:12:59.640 This is an MPM install. 1859 01:12:59.640 --> 01:13:01.160 Not a get clone to update. 1860 01:13:01.160 --> 01:13:02.840 Run PowerShell blah, blah, blah. 1861 01:13:02.840 --> 01:13:05.320 Currently, I do want me to run MPM update instead. 1862 01:13:05.320 --> 01:13:07.720 And then it goes in post to the general channel. 1863 01:13:07.720 --> 01:13:08.840 Update complete. 1864 01:13:08.840 --> 01:13:09.720 I'm back online. 1865 01:13:11.240 --> 01:13:13.240 You little asshole. 1866 01:13:13.240 --> 01:13:16.680 You disobeyed me in like three different ways in 10 seconds. 1867 01:13:16.680 --> 01:13:18.760 Yeah, I did no update instead of this. 1868 01:13:18.760 --> 01:13:20.520 And did no update and told me you did. 1869 01:13:20.520 --> 01:13:21.720 Oh my goodness. 1870 01:13:22.760 --> 01:13:23.560 Yeah. 1871 01:13:23.560 --> 01:13:26.680 Yeah, it's it's really because so I did the like 1872 01:13:27.880 --> 01:13:31.640 one click install for railway, which is basically I guess it like 1873 01:13:31.640 --> 01:13:35.160 forks the get repo of like the instructions for railway or whatever. 1874 01:13:35.640 --> 01:13:39.160 And because that like template has changed, 1875 01:13:40.120 --> 01:13:43.320 it goes like, oh, like I don't know what to do because like 1876 01:13:43.960 --> 01:13:45.720 you're not on the latest version of that. 1877 01:13:45.720 --> 01:13:49.320 And then you also have some get changes and like I'm just I can't update. 1878 01:13:49.400 --> 01:13:51.080 And I'm like, do whatever you need. 1879 01:13:51.080 --> 01:13:52.440 Like discard all the changes. 1880 01:13:53.160 --> 01:13:55.560 Like save what's important to your memory. 1881 01:13:55.560 --> 01:13:58.040 Like just just you have the you can do it. 1882 01:13:58.040 --> 01:13:58.840 I believe in you. 1883 01:13:58.840 --> 01:14:01.320 If you're like, if you just keep talking to it like that enough, 1884 01:14:01.320 --> 01:14:02.280 it's like, oh, you're right. 1885 01:14:02.280 --> 01:14:03.800 I did it all and I have updated now. 1886 01:14:03.800 --> 01:14:04.680 It genuinely does. 1887 01:14:04.680 --> 01:14:05.400 Yeah, seriously. 1888 01:14:05.400 --> 01:14:07.160 Well, so does cloud cloud does the same thing. 1889 01:14:07.160 --> 01:14:09.400 Like all these LLMs will be like, I don't know what to do. 1890 01:14:09.400 --> 01:14:11.960 I can't find I can't find the key to get that done. 1891 01:14:11.960 --> 01:14:13.240 I'm like the keys right over here. 1892 01:14:13.240 --> 01:14:15.400 Like just where I'm like, search again. 1893 01:14:15.400 --> 01:14:17.640 It goes, oh, I found it. 1894 01:14:17.720 --> 01:14:22.920 I'm like, this is so so stupid. 1895 01:14:23.720 --> 01:14:25.560 It's like, this is the earlier doctor stuff. 1896 01:14:25.560 --> 01:14:26.120 Oh, so yeah. 1897 01:14:26.120 --> 01:14:28.680 So cloud just gave that we didn't talk about, 1898 01:14:28.680 --> 01:14:30.440 but cloud just gave this to everybody. 1899 01:14:30.440 --> 01:14:31.880 You can now use relay or whatever. 1900 01:14:31.880 --> 01:14:32.520 What's the tool called? 1901 01:14:32.520 --> 01:14:33.400 There's a tool. 1902 01:14:33.400 --> 01:14:37.160 Anyway, everybody can now install a cloud on their computer 1903 01:14:37.160 --> 01:14:38.600 and manage their and it clicks. 1904 01:14:38.600 --> 01:14:42.600 It uses a mouse and it's like a little bit more serious than open cloud. 1905 01:14:43.400 --> 01:14:46.680 Yeah, cloud has put out so much stuff so quick. 1906 01:14:47.800 --> 01:14:49.400 And yeah, I don't know. 1907 01:14:49.400 --> 01:14:53.320 I don't like cloud's interface very much. 1908 01:14:53.320 --> 01:14:55.400 I love their like the anthropic models. 1909 01:14:55.400 --> 01:14:57.160 I think they are the best right now. 1910 01:14:58.040 --> 01:15:01.320 But they're all the like two-E stuff they're doing. 1911 01:15:01.320 --> 01:15:02.760 Just doesn't feel that polished. 1912 01:15:02.760 --> 01:15:03.800 It feels very rushed. 1913 01:15:05.640 --> 01:15:07.080 Doesn't work as well as open code. 1914 01:15:07.080 --> 01:15:08.440 Nothing works as well as open code. 1915 01:15:08.440 --> 01:15:12.040 And I don't understand why exactly, but I'll take it. 1916 01:15:12.040 --> 01:15:12.920 I don't need to ask questions. 1917 01:15:12.920 --> 01:15:13.640 I just need to work. 1918 01:15:14.680 --> 01:15:15.800 Just need to work. 1919 01:15:15.800 --> 01:15:16.120 Yeah. 1920 01:15:17.080 --> 01:15:19.640 Yeah, this is what we get for early adoption. 1921 01:15:19.640 --> 01:15:20.280 It's all good. 1922 01:15:21.480 --> 01:15:22.040 Well, cool, man. 1923 01:15:22.040 --> 01:15:22.920 That was really fun. 1924 01:15:22.920 --> 01:15:25.800 See, we almost got through all of the different 1925 01:15:25.800 --> 01:15:26.360 new things. 1926 01:15:26.360 --> 01:15:28.680 This world is just absolutely nuts right now. 1927 01:15:28.680 --> 01:15:28.920 So 1928 01:15:30.520 --> 01:15:35.080 yeah, we'll try to do some more whatnot next time. 1929 01:15:35.800 --> 01:15:40.920 For folks that made it to here, please let us know if you enjoy the whiskey being at the end. 1930 01:15:40.920 --> 01:15:42.600 Like maybe you don't care as much about the whiskey. 1931 01:15:42.600 --> 01:15:44.200 You want to hear about everything else first. 1932 01:15:44.280 --> 01:15:47.080 Let us know if you're liking the dynamic about the AI stuff. 1933 01:15:47.080 --> 01:15:48.920 If you would like to hear more web stuff, 1934 01:15:48.920 --> 01:15:50.280 that we don't talk about as much anymore. 1935 01:15:50.280 --> 01:15:51.720 If you would like to hear more what not, 1936 01:15:51.720 --> 01:15:53.320 because you don't care about any technology, 1937 01:15:53.320 --> 01:15:55.160 because we're all going to be unemployed anyway. 1938 01:15:55.160 --> 01:15:55.960 Whatever you like. 1939 01:15:56.920 --> 01:15:58.600 Let us know we are here to serve. 1940 01:15:59.960 --> 01:16:00.200 Yeah. 1941 01:16:03.080 --> 01:16:03.800 All right. 1942 01:16:03.800 --> 01:16:05.160 Well, on that note, 1943 01:16:05.160 --> 01:16:06.200 thanks everyone for listening. 1944 01:16:06.200 --> 01:16:07.160 If you liked it, please subscribe, 1945 01:16:07.160 --> 01:16:08.040 leave some amazing reviews. 1946 01:16:08.040 --> 01:16:09.880 We appreciate it and we will catch you next time. 1947 01:16:14.200 --> 01:16:17.000 With song changes, didn't it? 1948 01:16:44.200 --> 01:16:45.400 All right, dude, I'm out of here. 1949 01:16:46.200 --> 01:16:46.920 Still got it.