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Some of my smartest friends are saying OpenAI's Codex is the super app for AI.

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They're saying you pair that with GPT 5.5, Images 2.0, and use Codex's interface,

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and you are going to be unstoppable.

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So, I called my friend Riley Brown to convince me that I should be using Codex with all these models.

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And in this episode, we go through everything.

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How to use it from A to Z.

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How to create skills.

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How to connect it to Notion.

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how to use Remotion to create beautiful videos.

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If you've been meaning to get good at Codex,

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but you haven't had a second,

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well, this is your episode.

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You're in for a treat.

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And if you want to show some love to me and Riley,

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give this a like and comment,

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and I'll see you in there.

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We are blessed to have Riley Brown back on the pod.

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Riley, by the end of this episode, what are people going to get out of this?

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People are going to learn how to use the best interface to use AI agents, in my opinion.

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I think Codex by OpenAI.

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And that means if you have a ChatGPT subscription, you have access to Codex, which I think is

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the most powerful way to use AI agents.

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And we're going to learn the platform.

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And we're going to talk about GPT 5.5, which was released yesterday as of filming this.

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I don't know when this episode will be out.

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We'll talk a little bit about browser use.

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And, you know, I've been a little skeptical about AI controlling browsers.

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I think it's kind of slow and a little boring.

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This is the first time that I see it.

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I'm like, oh, it's actually starting to be faster.

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And I could definitely see by the end of the year, these browser agents are going to be as fast as humans.

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So we're going to talk about that.

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We're going to talk about computer use.

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We're going to talk about just doing all of your knowledge work and coding work inside one single platform, which is Codex.

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How does that sound?

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This, well, I just have to be honest with you.

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I got to say something.

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I am not on Codex today.

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In fact, I have never downloaded Codex.

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I, it's just, I'm not in that world.

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Okay.

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And this episode for me is a first-hand,

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basically tour, hacks, tips and tricks.

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By the end of this episode, I want to be converted.

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I want to be converted to Codex in that ecosystem.

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I hope so, but I might be wrong.

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By the end of this episode, I might be like,

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you know what, I'm just going to stick with my own stack.

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There's just a lot of smoke here.

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No, for sure.

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You know what?

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And I want to preface this by saying, like, I don't hate on anyone for using any stack.

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I think it's kind of dumb to do that.

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I think you should pick a stack and you should stick with it.

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I think moving from hot tool to hot tool is actually not the right strategy.

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If you're using cloud code inside cursor, right?

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If you use cursor for all your knowledge work and that works for you, great.

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Just keep doing that if you want.

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I'm kind of permanently switching to Codex just because, you know, I work with seven engineers and all of them have switched to Codex.

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and we agree that it's pretty amazing

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and you can use cloud code inside of it,

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which is another bonus.

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But if you don't mind,

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I just kind of want to hop into kind of an Excalibur,

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kind of do a little precursor to Codex

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if that's cool with you.

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Okay, so yeah.

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So I like to start with the basics.

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I've been really trying to get people

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to understand the difference between chat GPT and Codex.

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And so a good way to think about Codex

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is it is a state-of-the-art AI agent on your computer,

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which is the Codex model or the GPT 5.5 model,

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in a nice interface that allows you to build an app,

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create any type of document, control your computer,

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and create automations.

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You can see that, right?

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This is the Codex interface.

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It looks a lot like ChatGPT, right?

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This is a new chat on Codex.

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and what I like to do whenever I create a new,

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like whenever I go to Codex

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and let's say I'm working on a new episode,

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maybe I'm working on the Startup Ideas podcast landing page

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and then I'm also doing some market research.

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So we can actually create a new project

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and we can actually start from an existing folder

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and let's just call this folder Greg

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or let's call it Startup Ideas podcast

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and we can just create a new folder

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and this folder will be over here on the side.

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Can you see this?

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Maybe I'll zoom in a little bit.

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And anytime I hit new chat,

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this chat will show up in here.

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As you can see here,

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I have all my threads over here on the side

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and they're all kind of organized.

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Notice there wasn't anything in this one

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and you can very easily just remove these from the side.

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So it's just like you have your folder

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and your chats within each folder,

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which is just a project.

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And so like research, startup ideas, podcast, look at his videos.

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And so I have a skill, which is YouTube researcher.

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And this allows me to immediately pull transcripts from YouTube channels.

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So I can say like take the transcripts from his last 10 videos and tell me only what he's doing wrong.

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B negative, make a report.

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And so then you can fire this off.

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And what I like is it's very tailored to multitasking.

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So I can press command N.

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And this interface is a little similar to Manus if you've ever used Manus before.

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it's very easy to see what your agents are doing, right?

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If it's done, you'll see a blue dot.

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As you can see here, these two are done.

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These are kind of like unread chats.

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So like it means it's done and I haven't clicked on it yet.

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While it's working, it kind of spins around.

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And so like, what is the startup ideas podcast?

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it kind of just organizes chats into threads.

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And what we're seeing is this is kind of the dominant

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interface to interact with AI agents.

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You can see here, this is the new Cloud Code

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desktop app right here.

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You can see their code feature.

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You have these folders

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with chats underneath it.

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And if you've seen the new cursor interface, it's very similar.

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So all of these companies are deciding that this is kind of the correct interface to interact with

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AI agents.

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It just so happens that I think Codex is the best one.

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So let's go back to

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And so the way that I see it is like in 2025, that was the year of the TUI, right?

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And it's kind of a, it's bittersweet because I missed these

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early days of using Cloud Code.

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I loved the terminal.

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It was really fun.

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to the early days when you and a few others were talking about vibe marketing.

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super directionally correct using AI agents to do a lot of marketing tasks.

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I just think,

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I'm curious to hear what your observation was, is this just wasn't a great interface

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for a lot of the people who wanted to get the benefits from it, but they didn't want to open

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a terminal or create skills like in these files.

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I think people in business just want an easier

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interface to do all of these agentic workflows.

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And so what all these companies are deciding on

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is that the GUI is better.

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So we're moving from a terminal interface to a more clean,

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simple interface.

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You have your chats on the left, your agent in the middle, and then whatever the

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agent is working on on the right.

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Another way that I like to think about this is Cloud Code,

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or this Codex is like Claude code and co-work in a single product, but it's even better than that.

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And the reason why I like it more than Claude desktop is Claude made a decision to split up

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co-work and Claude code.

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I would definitely try Claude more if they didn't do this.

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They decided that people who are in business are going to use one product.

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Code are going to use this other product.

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They have different limitations, right?

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You can't just ask CoWork to build an app.

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You have to go to Cloud Code to do that.

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Cloud CoWork has different sets of permissions than Cloud Code.

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And you know me, I'm super hyped on vibe coding.

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I think vibe coding has gotten so easy that like 95% of the things that you would want to code,

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it's as easy as creating a presentation.

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So I think, and all the PowerPoint doc, sorry if I'm kind of jumping around here, but within the Codex app, right?

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Codex app is I can create this app right here.

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So this is an app.

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This is a, I posted this on Twitter yesterday.

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This is in one prompt.

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This is like a train simulator.

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And it's super good at physics.

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And this is me just testing the model, having fun.

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And I even added a crash counter.

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So these trains can crash into each other and it's presented by Allstate.

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But the point is, is in the same interface, you can create an application and you can also create spreadsheets.

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As you can see here, it can create charts, spreadsheets.

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You can also create Word docs.

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You can edit and export these Word docs and you can create PowerPoint presentations and you can export them with different apps.

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So you can export this to Canva and this will just open it up directly in Canva so I can make further edits.

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And they're going to add more exporting features as time goes on.

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Because me as a startup founder, I'm constantly making all types of docs and I'm making a lot of landing pages, lead magnets.

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I want to do it all in one interface.

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And so that's kind of the main reasons that I use Codex.

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Any thoughts so far?

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A million thoughts.

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But the biggest thought I have is what you're basically saying is Codex is the fastest way to do the most amount of things, basically.

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Yes, it is.

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And it got all the primitives right.

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And, okay, actually, we can dive into some more of the reasons.

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These are why I like Codex over certain tools.

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There's a lot of reasons I like it that these things are also in Cursor and are in the Cloud

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But here are the things that only Codex does or Codex does better than all of them.

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It is the only interface that does vibe coding and knowledge work in one platform.

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to Cursor and ask for a doc, it can create HTML file and run it in the browser, but it can't just

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create a doc and let you view it like a Cloud artifact in one interface.

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You can do this on

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Claude desktop app.

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But again, you have to go to this Claude

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cowork feature.

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I'm not a fan of cowork at all.

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Which may be a narrative violation on your channel.

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I don't know if you've been talking about Claude cowork, but that's okay.

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I haven't, but I'm intrigued

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with Claude cowork.

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spend most of my time in Claude code, but I was thinking

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of doing a full-on episode on like cowork

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because it's one of the questions I get

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asked the most, which is, should I be using

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co-work and how to best use it.

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But wouldn't you wish that Cloud Code could just do what co-work

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could do from the same interface?

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And so to me, I don't see any good reason why you wouldn't

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allow Cloud Code to do the stuff that co-work could do.

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And so that's just my beef with Cloud

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And that's why I've been annoyed by it.

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And I haven't made any videos on it.

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It's because

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every time I try and use it, I run into some sort of like limitation because the way that they set

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up the environment where the agents can do stuff, there's way more restrictions on co-work, which

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makes it super annoying to use in my opinion.

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Anyway, I think Codex models are better at really

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complex tasks.

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And we actually, we know this for sure.

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We've tested this extensively as a team.

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You know, we're highly incentivized to write the best code and write it fastest in the quickest amount of time.

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And Codex just does a better job with infrastructure, with really hard tasks.

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I've one-shotted, the other day I one-shotted an app like Replit, a vibe coding tool that spun up sandboxes and you could vibe code web apps on your phone in one shot.

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It took an hour and 20 minutes to generate the code.

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And this was on 5.4.

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It's pretty impressive.

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So if you remember last year, OpenAI started working on Atlas.

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I thought it was kind of, I was just like,

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damn, they're kind of losing focus.

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They're building this Atlas feature.

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You know, it's a standalone browser.

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How many people are going to use it?

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Well, recently they had like this big red alert at their company

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and they decided to kind of push all of their efforts

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into one single app, which was Codex.

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And now what they're doing is they're just putting Atlas inside.

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they're basically putting atlas inside like this is the atlas browser and i i know this by

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interacting with people at open ai this is going to become a full web browser so you're going to

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be able to log in it'll remember your login info and so instead of having like a web browser with

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all of your tabs open and you have to decide what tasks you need to use instead you'll start a chat

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with an ai and the browser will be there right on the right and you're you'll you'll have different

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windows open for the specific task.

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And I think that's just a better way to do knowledge work,

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you know?

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And you can just open up tabs directly in the app that you're creating,

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whatever it is that you want to create.

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And you'll be able to open up Notion and you can

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download the Notion plugin.

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And so you can have your AI edit Notion and you'll have Notion open

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directly in the app, in the web browser, which I find to be pretty cool.

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And so that's another

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They also have a built-in Remotion plugin.

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And because their web browser is the best,

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you know, I created this video the other day.

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Oh boy, I've been doing a lot on here.

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And Remotion, for those people who don't know, is what?

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So Remotion, and by the way, in three hours, I'll be launching a video on how to use Codex

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for Remotion.

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Remotion turns code into videos.

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So you can create motion graphic videos with code.

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Well, guess what?

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Luckily for you, AI will write all that code.

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So you can just create, you can just type out what motion graphic scene you want, and it will create it.

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And Claude, as many people in your audience know, Claude has went on this massive run of launches every single day.

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And by the way, it's reconnecting.

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I think Codex is getting a lot of load right now.

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Like there's just a lot of people using it.

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Because you're talking about it, you know?

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You're talking about it.

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You're out there saying, you know, it's a super app.

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It's the best.

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You know, it's where you should be spending your time.

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You want to bet on open AI.

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And then all of a sudden, it's reconnecting.

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Yeah, dude.

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I mean, what can I say?

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Well, I'll try and be quiet before we shoot our next video.

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I'll just pin this.

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Ideally, it'll just work in just a second.

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We don't need to show it for now.

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But the point is, you can generate really high-quality motion graphic videos.

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and Anthropic did this when they first started doing their product launches.

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They were just launching them with Remotion videos.

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And it's really good for software products

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where you like have something happening on a user interface.

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It can generate the user interface.

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It can generate the motion.

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And the thing that's really cool about Codex

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is you can just search the Remotion plugin.

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And once you enable the Remotion plugin,

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any chat that you use, you can say at Remotion.

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And you can say at Remotion, please create a video.

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And then I created another skill, which is called Internet Image Puller.

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It doesn't just pull images.

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It pulls all of the assets for any given company from the internet.

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So it might work for 10 minutes.

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It'll pull all of a brand's assets, put it in an HTML file, and then Remotion or Codex

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can have all of that information for Remotion.

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So it can use your logo, it can use your colors, it can use your fonts in the video.

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You don't have to like manually tell it what to do.

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It'll just pull all of that information.

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And so that's a really fun way.

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And this is how we do a lot of our launch videos.

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And some have gotten over a million views.

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So this is a really useful thing.

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It was just really annoying to use with all of the other tools.

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Codex is the only one where you can just add Remotion and it opens directly in the app.

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for people who aren't super familiar with Remotion

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it's not just that it takes concepts

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and turns the videos into code

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or creates videos that are code

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these videos are so high quality

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it is actually insane

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I know multiple people

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who've gone from 0 to 100,000 Instagram followers

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by doing re-motion videos.

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Now, they're high-quality re-motion videos,

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and they go back and forth and back and forth.

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I'm not saying you one-prompt it

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and you get the best possible videos,

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but these are, is that re-motion right here?

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Yeah, so this is 7,000, like almost 800,000 views.

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This is all re-motion.

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You can't hear it, but you can create motion graphic videos.

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Yeah.

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And it's really easy to just create pretty simple videos.

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And I think when you're doing a launch video,

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If it's a good idea, you should try and keep it as simple as possible.

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Never have multiple things happening at once.

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Okay, it just popped up

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It's it's testing if it's running but like this is what would run on the side of your screen and it will in just a

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second but it literally creates this like CapCut like timeline and so this is

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and so these are all of your

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Compositions and so here we have this demo that I made yesterday

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and this was in one shot and the reason why I was able to generate this in one shot is I actually

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have this thing called brand assets this contains all of the assets that I might want to use and so

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once you've generated a video with all of your brand assets you can just reference that to your

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AI and you could say hey please use this background or use this component or use this logo and you

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notice here, I just labeled all of these logos here.

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And so I can always say like, please look

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at the brand assets, use the X logo, the YouTube logo, the TikTok logo, and the cursor logo,

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and put it in this video in this scene.

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And so if you just get everything that you might want to

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use in here, it's easy to tell your AI to use it later, if that makes sense.

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Anyway, you can create

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videos and you can open it right here in the browser.

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As you can see, that took a little bit

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because Codex is running a little slow.

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But this is kind of like an everything app,

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which is pretty cool.

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And then to finalize why I use it over other ones

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is the computer use is better.

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It is faster than any computer use that I've used before.

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And this means you download computer use as part of Codex.

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It can literally control your computer.

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Not only can it control your computer,

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it can control multiple of your apps at the same time,

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which is a mind-blowing experience.

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And you can see the mouse moving around on your device.

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I had it controlling Canva yesterday.

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It was moving around pretty fast, controlling Canva.

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It exported the right document

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and it fed it back into Codex.

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It was a really fun workflow.

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And that's just a really cool experience.

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I highly recommend trying this

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just to kind of see where AI is at

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in terms of computer use.

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And then as I talked about earlier,

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it can control the browser that's directly inside Codex.

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So pretty soon we'll live in a world

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where an AI will be able to go to any site,

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open the browser, you're gonna be logged in.

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So it'll have all of your login information.

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It'll be a full browser like Atlas

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and it will be able to take any action.

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So there will be basically no limitation to what it can do.

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And then they released this new Chronicle feature

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so that it kind of like remembers everything.

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So it'll kind of,

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and this one might have some privacy stuff

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that you might want to look into

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if you're super big on privacy.

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This is my work computer

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and I like testing stuff too much.

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So I had to enable it.

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But it basically watches your screen for context.

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So you don't have to explain yourself again.

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It just kind of knows what you're working on.

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And it stores these as like little codex memories

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and it allows you to stay in flow.

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So you can move chats around.

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You don't really need to be that organized.

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The AI will just kind of have context

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over what you're doing.

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And these are kind of the main reasons

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I really like Kodak.

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I didn't know about Chronicle.

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First time I've ever heard of that.

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Is it worth, I know there's privacy issues

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and security issues.

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I know the comment section is going to not love it.

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But from a productivity standpoint,

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are you seeing meaningful uptick?

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So they released it two days ago.

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So I'm not going to lie,

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there's been way too many things to test.

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But if you go to personalization

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and you scroll down and go to Chronicle,

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I recommend learning more.

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This is not an endorsement.

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I'm using a work laptop.

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I test everything.

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I go unlimited permissions.

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I don't care about the privacy stuff.

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I'm testing everything.

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That's what I do.

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I love it too much.

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So by no means am I telling you to do this and that it's worth the risk.

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I have no idea what the risk is.

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But you should look into it because it is an interesting technology at the very least, right?

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But having an AI, assuming it's secure and everything, having an AI that understands what you're working on so that when you type something, it knows exactly what you're referencing, that is inherently useful.

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Whether or not it works really well, it's up for debate.

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I haven't tested it long enough.

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It came out two days ago.

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So what else do I need to know?

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Because I'm downloading Codex for the first time.

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So what are things in terms of setup, re-motion I'm going to add, projects I understand, plugins?

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Yeah, so let's talk about plugins.

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So plugins, you know, there's a lot of words right now.

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People talk about MCPs.

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They talk about plugins.

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They talk about skills.

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They talk about integrations, connectors, right?

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You have all of these words.

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And if I'm being honest, the difference between them is very blurry.

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right?

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Just kind of, I clump all of those words together and I just call them skills.

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It just makes sense in my brain, right?

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You have an AI agent by default, that's really smart.

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It

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can search the web.

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It can create apps.

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But if you don't give it any skills, then it's only going to

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be a generic model.

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What you need to do is you need to give your agent access to the tools that

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you already use to make it useful for your workflows.

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And so here they call them plugins.

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And again, skills and plugins, you can create your own skill.

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You actually can't build your own plugin unless you get it approved by OpenAI.

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So that's kind of the difference.

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Plugins are more official.

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And so one of the plugins that I use is Slack.

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So it's connected to our Slack.

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I can ask any question.

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You know, we have like 30 channels as a company.

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And I can just ask AI to summarize everything that pertains to me.

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And because Codex keeps memories of me and I've given it a document that I've told what I think is important, it can find the things that are important.

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It'll surface them to me.

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And you can also connect it to your email so it can send and receive emails or it can tell you who emailed you if something's really important.

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And you can connect it up to Notion.

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You can connect it to Sheets.

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And pretty soon you're going to be able to do it for all of them.

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The Expo one is pretty useful.

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It allows you to kind of view a mobile app preview directly inside Codex, which is really cool.

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And then obviously Remotion and Canva, you can just connect it to your existing tools.

491
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And if you don't find the tool that you want to use in plugins, you can create your own skill.

492
00:24:42.083 --> 00:24:44.560
and you do that simply by creating a new chat

493
00:24:45.604 --> 00:24:49.320
and you say, I want to create a new skill

494
00:24:50.345 --> 00:24:53.300
that does whatever, blank.

495
00:24:55.323 --> 00:24:57.960
And then you can also say, use the slash skill.

496
00:24:58.421 --> 00:25:00.800
Wait, I think it's at skill.

497
00:25:02.567 --> 00:25:03.580
Oh, maybe they don't have it anymore.

498
00:25:05.444 --> 00:25:07.380
To reference a skill, you use a slash.

499
00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:09.980
To reference plugins, you use the at mention,

500
00:25:10.286 --> 00:25:11.040
which I think is weird.

501
00:25:11.141 --> 00:25:13.380
I think they should combine all of them, right?

502
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:17.760
So I could say use computer use at browser use.

503
00:25:18.763 --> 00:25:20.500
To use a skill, you do a slash.

504
00:25:20.580 --> 00:25:23.340
And you can see all the slashes here.

505
00:25:24.101 --> 00:25:26.814
I don't see, they used to have a skill builder skill,

506
00:25:28.041 --> 00:25:28.700
but they don't have it.

507
00:25:28.740 --> 00:25:30.920
I think it's just smart enough to just say create a skill

508
00:25:31.062 --> 00:25:31.919
and it'll just create it.

509
00:25:32.501 --> 00:25:35.280
After you create a skill, it'll show up here in this tab.

510
00:25:35.360 --> 00:25:36.680
And here are all the skills that I've created.

511
00:25:38.206 --> 00:25:38.699
I've created-

512
00:25:38.740 --> 00:25:39.700
It's so confusing, right?

513
00:25:39.720 --> 00:25:45.300
Because like you create a skill and then it puts it into the plugins tab.

514
00:25:45.823 --> 00:25:46.360
Well, no, no.

515
00:25:46.460 --> 00:25:48.320
A skill is in the skills tab.

516
00:25:48.541 --> 00:25:49.099
Oh, yeah, yeah, yeah.

517
00:25:49.120 --> 00:25:49.420
You're right.

518
00:25:49.500 --> 00:25:53.320
It's in the plugins tab as plugins and skills.

519
00:25:53.800 --> 00:25:55.700
And so I think this is super messy, right?

520
00:25:55.760 --> 00:26:02.040
That's why I think they should just combine it all into skills or pick one and just stick with it because it is super confusing.

521
00:26:02.601 --> 00:26:10.860
and the fact that they have that different like you have an at for um plugins and then you have

522
00:26:10.900 --> 00:26:18.800
a slash for skills i find to be like kind of annoying um but i will say i've tried all of

523
00:26:18.840 --> 00:26:23.980
these tools this is the simplest version that exists yet okay and then in the simplest way

524
00:26:24.080 --> 00:26:27.900
possible what is the difference between a skill and a plugin

525
00:26:30.406 --> 00:26:36.420
honestly i think plugins are just like a deeper uh integration i i would be lying to you if i

526
00:26:37.203 --> 00:26:41.440
knew the technical thing i just know that like if you're a company and you want to create an

527
00:26:41.440 --> 00:26:45.840
official plugin you go to open ai and you you create it with them it's similar to you remember

528
00:26:45.920 --> 00:26:51.839
the apps sdk yeah on chat gpt it's more of an official process right there's a reason why you

529
00:26:52.160 --> 00:26:56.860
know we can't just we couldn't spend the rest of this video making the the greg eisenberg plugin

530
00:26:56.860 --> 00:26:59.020
and then get it approved right after this video.

531
00:26:59.120 --> 00:27:00.259
You'd have to reach out to OpenAI.

532
00:27:00.980 --> 00:27:02.940
You know, I'm sure they have thousands of companies

533
00:27:03.184 --> 00:27:04.120
trying to create plugins.

534
00:27:04.861 --> 00:27:08.260
And you can only imagine the value of showing up here

535
00:27:08.563 --> 00:27:10.060
on the plugins tab, right?

536
00:27:10.161 --> 00:27:12.220
So this is kind of their more official integration.

537
00:27:13.543 --> 00:27:15.599
And then skills are like what you create.

538
00:27:16.800 --> 00:27:18.300
And these are just, again,

539
00:27:18.921 --> 00:27:21.660
all of these skills are mostly just like a folder

540
00:27:22.185 --> 00:27:23.760
that is stored somewhere in here.

541
00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:26.260
And then there's a skill.md file in that folder

542
00:27:26.804 --> 00:27:28.780
that has specific instructions.

543
00:27:29.060 --> 00:27:30.920
And AI is really good at creating skills.

544
00:27:31.460 --> 00:27:32.820
So all you have to do is just say,

545
00:27:32.900 --> 00:27:35.740
hey, any repetitive tasks that you have in Codex,

546
00:27:35.840 --> 00:27:36.960
say, hey, I want to create a skill

547
00:27:37.081 --> 00:27:38.500
so we can do this faster next time.

548
00:27:38.920 --> 00:27:40.460
And then the AI will be like, okay, cool.

549
00:27:40.600 --> 00:27:42.560
Like it may ask you some follow-up questions

550
00:27:42.763 --> 00:27:43.899
and then it'll just create the skill

551
00:27:44.205 --> 00:27:45.060
and then it'll show up here.

552
00:27:45.661 --> 00:27:47.116
Yeah, one thing you might want to do is,

553
00:27:48.161 --> 00:27:50.020
you know, if you're downloading Codex for the first time,

554
00:27:50.060 --> 00:27:52.040
maybe you connect it to your Google Calendar

555
00:27:53.110 --> 00:27:54.280
and you basically say like,

556
00:27:54.420 --> 00:27:56.099
here's what I do on a given week.

557
00:27:57.523 --> 00:28:03.540
and, you know, help me create a set of skills that can help me do my job better.

558
00:28:04.120 --> 00:28:04.682
Absolutely.

559
00:28:04.742 --> 00:28:09.840
Yeah, I think one of the best ways to do it is just to like literally speak into your phone.

560
00:28:10.020 --> 00:28:11.559
I just, I tell everyone to do this.

561
00:28:11.780 --> 00:28:14.620
Just yap about everything that you do on a day-to-day basis.

562
00:28:14.900 --> 00:28:16.300
Like go through every task.

563
00:28:16.662 --> 00:28:17.780
Don't skip any details.

564
00:28:18.140 --> 00:28:20.380
Take 20 minutes to just speak about everything.

565
00:28:21.040 --> 00:28:25.580
Get it in a document and then just look at it and be like, okay, what parts could I automate with something?

566
00:28:26.440 --> 00:28:36.880
Anytime there's an automatable process and you can convert it into instructions that could be completed on a computer, that is a skill that you could create on Codex.

567
00:28:38.001 --> 00:28:45.280
One really cool thing is, right, so we just created this report using my YouTube researcher skill.

568
00:28:46.342 --> 00:28:50.940
And it looked at the Startup Ideas podcast negative only content report.

569
00:28:51.801 --> 00:28:53.979
As a tear slowly goes down my cheek.

570
00:28:55.373 --> 00:28:55.900
I love this.

571
00:28:56.040 --> 00:28:57.522
All right.

572
00:28:57.542 --> 00:28:58.843
The show is drifting away from...

573
00:29:00.065 --> 00:29:01.186
I meant to do it as a joke.

574
00:29:01.226 --> 00:29:04.070
I'm not actually trying to nitpick your channel.

575
00:29:04.110 --> 00:29:10.357
But I will say that as uncomfortable as it is to get AI to critique you, it is a useful activity.

576
00:29:10.377 --> 00:29:11.098
I've done it before.

577
00:29:11.779 --> 00:29:12.960
You can't turn a blind eye.

578
00:29:14.223 --> 00:29:21.500
And AI will actually find, it can search other channels and see what they're doing right and then compare it to what you're doing wrong.

579
00:29:21.580 --> 00:29:23.360
It's like this channel is doing this right.

580
00:29:23.460 --> 00:29:25.099
That's why they're getting more views than you.

581
00:29:25.821 --> 00:29:27.520
And these exercises are good.

582
00:29:28.301 --> 00:29:34.140
You should spend more time on what you're doing wrong than what you're doing right, in my opinion, and just focus on improving it every time.

583
00:29:35.161 --> 00:29:38.040
Now, let's say that this was the most useful report you've ever seen.

584
00:29:38.301 --> 00:29:42.180
Let's say we go through it and we're like, oh, my God, we need to do this more often.

585
00:29:42.824 --> 00:29:45.340
One thing you can do is you'll notice here we have this automations tab.

586
00:29:46.601 --> 00:29:51.260
I want you to do this every single Friday.

587
00:29:53.122 --> 00:30:00.600
Actually, every, yeah, let's do every single Friday for the videos of that week.

588
00:30:02.443 --> 00:30:06.018
I want to know what I'm doing wrong.

589
00:30:08.186 --> 00:30:09.460
Please create an automation.

590
00:30:12.463 --> 00:30:13.940
Oops, I don't know why I didn't pick up on that.

591
00:30:14.081 --> 00:30:15.300
Oh, it's because I have my AirPods in.

592
00:30:18.762 --> 00:30:19.980
Create automation.

593
00:30:21.724 --> 00:30:23.700
9 a.m. on Fridays.

594
00:30:25.423 --> 00:30:27.580
And so it really is that easy to create an automation.

595
00:30:27.741 --> 00:30:30.500
You just type in that you want this to happen.

596
00:30:30.640 --> 00:30:32.160
This is how I normally set up automations.

597
00:30:32.340 --> 00:30:36.180
People sometimes want to create an automation before they do it.

598
00:30:36.320 --> 00:30:40.960
It's just like do it once and then tell the agent to do that every time on this day.

599
00:30:41.702 --> 00:30:43.020
And that's a kind of a good workflow.

600
00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:44.760
And you can see here that it shows

601
00:30:45.022 --> 00:30:47.720
created weekly startup ideas podcast Fridays at 9 a.m.

602
00:30:48.162 --> 00:30:50.400
If you click on it, it opens up right here

603
00:30:50.963 --> 00:30:53.940
and it shows you the status, which is active, which is good.

604
00:30:54.381 --> 00:30:56.095
The next run is on May 1st, 2026.

605
00:30:57.160 --> 00:31:00.280
The last run is nothing because it hasn't run before.

606
00:31:01.908 --> 00:31:02.420
And there you go.

607
00:31:02.480 --> 00:31:03.380
It tells you what project.

608
00:31:03.500 --> 00:31:04.259
And then you'll notice here,

609
00:31:04.320 --> 00:31:06.260
there's now a two on automations

610
00:31:07.207 --> 00:31:08.920
and it shows up right here.

611
00:31:08.980 --> 00:31:09.900
And if you want to test it,

612
00:31:09.980 --> 00:31:14.259
all you have to do is come up here and hit run now, and it will run that automation.

613
00:31:14.299 --> 00:31:14.540
And that's

614
00:31:14.560 --> 00:31:17.110
how you can kind of test to see how good it is.

615
00:31:17.471 --> 00:31:19.840
And then if you notice that something's wrong,

616
00:31:20.081 --> 00:31:22.313
you can press edit, and you can edit the automation.

617
00:31:22.654 --> 00:31:23.680
And I recommend doing that a few

618
00:31:23.761 --> 00:31:24.103
times.

619
00:31:24.143 --> 00:31:26.800
Like whenever you're setting up an automation, you want to make sure it works.

620
00:31:27.821 --> 00:31:30.250
And that's how you set up these recurring tasks.

621
00:31:30.330 --> 00:31:32.760
And some recurring tasks that I'm seeing a lot of

622
00:31:33.121 --> 00:31:38.540
people have in the AI space, or just people in business, is they just have AI analyze their

623
00:31:38.600 --> 00:31:44.817
Slack and their email like twice a day and it sends them an email summary.

624
00:31:45.258 --> 00:31:46.080
So they just they

625
00:31:46.140 --> 00:31:53.058
get it very concise and they all have links to relevant chats or emails.

626
00:31:53.178 --> 00:31:53.860
So it's really easy

627
00:31:53.940 --> 00:31:54.482
to navigate.

628
00:31:54.824 --> 00:31:57.032
I found that to be a really useful one for me as well.

629
00:31:57.413 --> 00:31:59.140
And, you know, you one-shotted

630
00:31:59.260 --> 00:32:00.405
that negative report.

631
00:32:00.786 --> 00:32:04.500
So if I, let's say I'm not happy with the output for whatever reason

632
00:32:05.523 --> 00:32:06.907
to refine that?

633
00:32:06.967 --> 00:32:07.729
How do I do that?

634
00:32:08.271 --> 00:32:08.511
Yeah.

635
00:32:08.612 --> 00:32:11.380
I mean, say like, hey, by the way,

636
00:32:13.183 --> 00:32:17.188
uh, the report you gave me was too long.

637
00:32:18.090 --> 00:32:24.319
I want more concise put, um, and make it a slash.

638
00:32:25.381 --> 00:32:32.259
And by the way, this document is a skill by default that, that is called word docs.

639
00:32:32.500 --> 00:32:32.620
So I

640
00:32:32.700 --> 00:32:38.550
just say make it a word docs instead of markdown.

641
00:32:39.392 --> 00:32:44.100
And then you can see I'll use the doc skill here.

642
00:32:44.220 --> 00:32:48.420
I'll do two things, convert the markdown into concise docs and update the Friday automation.

643
00:32:48.680 --> 00:32:53.160
You see, I was going to have it recreate the doc and then I would say, okay, now update the

644
00:32:53.200 --> 00:32:53.662
automation.

645
00:32:53.742 --> 00:32:58.940
But it decided that it was just going to do it for me, which is cool, which is actually

646
00:32:59.040 --> 00:33:00.946
not how I would want to do it.

647
00:33:01.608 --> 00:33:05.540
And one thing is in skills, you can always include references with

648
00:33:05.620 --> 00:33:10.332
skills or in your automation.

649
00:33:10.392 --> 00:33:13.680
So you could actually include the document that it creates

650
00:33:15.445 --> 00:33:16.829
inside the automation.

651
00:33:16.849 --> 00:33:19.698
You can say, hey, it should look like this document, right?

652
00:33:19.778 --> 00:33:20.540
And you can give

653
00:33:20.560 --> 00:33:21.242
it an example.

654
00:33:21.684 --> 00:33:26.240
I always tell people that really good instructions are good, but giving it a really

655
00:33:26.340 --> 00:33:28.088
good example is great, right?

656
00:33:28.108 --> 00:33:30.257
You give an AI one good example, it's amazing.

657
00:33:30.277 --> 00:33:30.960
You give it five

658
00:33:31.301 --> 00:33:34.614
good examples, it's just going to do a great job every time.

659
00:33:34.815 --> 00:33:35.980
That's kind of how I think about it.

660
00:33:36.461 --> 00:33:40.110
So is there the concept of an eval on output?

661
00:33:40.812 --> 00:33:43.740
Meaning, you know, an eval basically in a

662
00:33:43.800 --> 00:33:50.100
valuation, short for valuation, basically, this is a nine on 10 output, 10 on 10 output,

663
00:33:50.301 --> 00:33:52.752
and it keeps going until it gets good output.

664
00:33:52.873 --> 00:33:54.440
Is there that concept within Codex?

665
00:33:55.482 --> 00:33:58.020
I mean, you could set it up yourself.

666
00:33:59.701 --> 00:34:02.037
This is GBT 5.5.

667
00:34:02.660 --> 00:34:04.540
It'll run for as long as you want it to run.

668
00:34:05.020 --> 00:34:08.280
And so you could just tell it, say like, hey, I want you to evaluate it.

669
00:34:08.320 --> 00:34:16.220
The problem is, I think in that case, it would probably be useful to have examples of really good output so it knows what you want.

670
00:34:16.421 --> 00:34:21.500
You know, the AI, they struggle with these subjective tasks, right?

671
00:34:21.621 --> 00:34:25.420
Coding is very, you know what a good output is

672
00:34:25.521 --> 00:34:27.580
because the app looks good and it fully works.

673
00:34:27.700 --> 00:34:29.440
So it's easy to verify whether it's good or not.

674
00:34:29.560 --> 00:34:32.260
But a report, you know, my startup idea is podcast.

675
00:34:35.083 --> 00:34:37.379
So this is another problem that Codex has.

676
00:34:37.740 --> 00:34:39.180
Oops, that's kind of annoying.

677
00:34:39.360 --> 00:34:41.340
It's like the bullets are all weird.

678
00:34:42.220 --> 00:34:44.680
Like, so this is one thing.

679
00:34:44.740 --> 00:34:46.339
This is another example of something you can fix.

680
00:34:46.481 --> 00:34:48.199
Like fix the bullets.

681
00:34:49.261 --> 00:34:50.600
They're weird formatting.

682
00:34:53.404 --> 00:35:01.560
um what was i saying before the weird formatting before the bullets completely threw you off

683
00:35:03.365 --> 00:35:08.359
you're saying uh those bullets are i don't blame you those bullets the bullets will throw anyone

684
00:35:08.740 --> 00:35:17.460
off yeah uh yeah honestly but yeah you could just create these these uh i don't remember what i was

685
00:35:17.480 --> 00:35:24.560
saying you were saying i don't i don't remember the bullets really took us for a left turn

686
00:35:27.526 --> 00:35:34.040
we're talking about skill i think you're talking about the you know the right outputs examples

687
00:35:35.323 --> 00:35:42.420
yeah yeah yeah collect the number one thing that you can do uh in a company right now and we're

688
00:35:42.580 --> 00:35:46.340
talking to a lot of companies are trying to implement ai is just collect as many good

689
00:35:46.400 --> 00:35:47.465
examples as possible.

690
00:35:48.469 --> 00:35:51.020
This allows your agents to have examples that they can reference,

691
00:35:51.300 --> 00:35:54.674
store them in a knowledge base that's easy to find, right?

692
00:35:54.694 --> 00:35:56.240
If you store them in like a Notion

693
00:35:56.300 --> 00:36:02.800
database, for example, AI is really good at going to a Notion database, scouring the Notion

694
00:36:02.860 --> 00:36:05.714
database, finding the right document to use as the example.

695
00:36:05.834 --> 00:36:07.060
And that way you can just kind of

696
00:36:07.080 --> 00:36:09.574
give it all of your documents as long as you keep it organized.

697
00:36:09.755 --> 00:36:10.760
It's going to be able to use it

698
00:36:10.780 --> 00:36:11.181
pretty well.

699
00:36:11.883 --> 00:36:16.637
And so collecting examples is a really useful thing.

700
00:36:16.657 --> 00:36:17.560
And I've noticed a lot more

701
00:36:17.640 --> 00:36:24.100
companies are even recording their screen a lot more in order to capture workflows, because I've

702
00:36:24.300 --> 00:36:31.220
heard rumors that the future versions of OpenAI, their newest model and version of Codex, you're

703
00:36:31.260 --> 00:36:32.807
going to be able to upload videos to it.

704
00:36:33.149 --> 00:36:35.600
And so it can watch the video, see exactly how you do it,

705
00:36:35.881 --> 00:36:38.230
and then it will be able to control the computer just like you.

706
00:36:38.933 --> 00:36:40.640
And that's going to be a whole new

707
00:36:40.700 --> 00:36:41.001
world.

708
00:36:41.824 --> 00:36:47.300
And so I'm kind of preparing for that world because most of my workflows as a creator or like

709
00:36:47.500 --> 00:36:53.860
I'm in marketing, a lot of my workflows require using an interface or using a tool like CapCut,

710
00:36:54.020 --> 00:36:58.860
like Canva, and AI will pretty soon get to a point where I can do that.

711
00:37:00.041 --> 00:37:05.680
And just a side note, you know, if that's the case that, you know, these super apps are going to

712
00:37:05.700 --> 00:37:09.509
to allow recorded videos to be uploaded to them.

713
00:37:11.173 --> 00:37:13.940
You got to think that the value of recorded

714
00:37:14.522 --> 00:37:17.733
content is going to go up in the AI age.

715
00:37:17.774 --> 00:37:19.580
So just from a startup idea perspective,

716
00:37:21.163 --> 00:37:21.946
there's a lot there.

717
00:37:22.629 --> 00:37:22.810
Yeah.

718
00:37:22.830 --> 00:37:24.899
I mean, and why do you think you hear rumors of meta

719
00:37:25.742 --> 00:37:30.818
and Microsoft employees now required to record their screen and do certain tasks?

720
00:37:30.859 --> 00:37:31.280
And it's kind

721
00:37:31.360 --> 00:37:36.539
of like, you know, it's become a meme in that, you know, a lot of people who are anti-AI

722
00:37:37.001 --> 00:37:40.240
were like, oh, when they start recording your screen, like it's over, like they're trying

723
00:37:40.301 --> 00:37:41.315
to replace your workflows.

724
00:37:42.020 --> 00:37:44.700
And yeah, it is kind of scary in a corporate setting.

725
00:37:45.181 --> 00:37:49.500
But like if you run a small business and you want to accomplish more with like a small

726
00:37:49.620 --> 00:37:54.840
group of people, like you want to be able to offload some tasks that you wouldn't normally

727
00:37:55.041 --> 00:37:58.700
do to an AI that can just kind of handle these tasks.

728
00:38:00.688 --> 00:38:01.200
Let me see here.

729
00:38:05.067 --> 00:38:12.760
did it fix it there you go so yeah you can create any sort of document in here

730
00:38:13.801 --> 00:38:21.500
um recording your screen will be big so the number four negative if you go back to that doc

731
00:38:22.243 --> 00:38:25.740
one of the things that i get wrong in this podcast apparently according to codex is my

732
00:38:25.840 --> 00:38:30.980
interviews are way too soft so it says my guests get a friendly runway there's not enough pressure

733
00:38:31.725 --> 00:38:33.679
on failure modes, cost, security, churns,

734
00:38:34.100 --> 00:38:36.260
customer acquisition, who should not use the product.

735
00:38:37.084 --> 00:38:38.800
I'd like to take this opportunity

736
00:38:39.625 --> 00:38:42.239
to take the Canadian out of me

737
00:38:42.340 --> 00:38:43.360
and not be so friendly

738
00:38:43.501 --> 00:38:46.960
and ask you the question with respect to Codex.

739
00:38:50.825 --> 00:38:52.000
Who should use the product?

740
00:38:53.040 --> 00:38:55.520
Cost, securities, churn, customer acquisition.

741
00:38:57.364 --> 00:38:59.180
What are the hard questions I'm not asking

742
00:38:59.686 --> 00:39:00.900
that I should be asking about Codex?

743
00:39:01.461 --> 00:39:08.600
You know what I respect about you is you got feedback and you are applying that feedback 10 seconds later, which I admire.

744
00:39:08.720 --> 00:39:09.157
That's great.

745
00:39:11.704 --> 00:39:13.680
You know, who should use the product?

746
00:39:15.881 --> 00:39:23.080
I think that if you're constantly, I think content creators should use this platform.

747
00:39:23.240 --> 00:39:24.940
You know, like I'm a content creator first.

748
00:39:25.100 --> 00:39:26.140
That's how my brain thinks.

749
00:39:26.260 --> 00:39:30.060
You know, I'm constantly creating lead magnets, which require vibe coding.

750
00:39:30.140 --> 00:39:35.340
and if, and yeah, I find that to be super useful

751
00:39:35.421 --> 00:39:36.660
and I'm also creating documents.

752
00:39:36.760 --> 00:39:39.180
So if you're creating websites and documents,

753
00:39:39.381 --> 00:39:41.660
you might as well do it in the same platform

754
00:39:41.781 --> 00:39:44.040
because ultimately like the websites that I create

755
00:39:44.222 --> 00:39:46.160
have to do with the documents that I create.

756
00:39:46.300 --> 00:39:47.860
I don't want them to be in separate platforms.

757
00:39:48.020 --> 00:39:49.980
I wanna be able to create a document, do research,

758
00:39:50.500 --> 00:39:51.259
outline my thinking

759
00:39:51.683 --> 00:39:53.760
and then convert it into a landing page seamlessly.

760
00:39:53.960 --> 00:39:55.319
And that's what you can do inside Codex.

761
00:39:56.041 --> 00:40:00.300
So as much as I want to help you give good feedback,

762
00:40:00.621 --> 00:40:02.517
I think there's a reason why these companies

763
00:40:02.961 --> 00:40:04.459
are racing to create the super app

764
00:40:04.560 --> 00:40:07.220
is because they think that everyone in knowledge work

765
00:40:07.362 --> 00:40:08.360
will use these platforms.

766
00:40:08.561 --> 00:40:11.680
And I truly believe that that's where we're going.

767
00:40:12.081 --> 00:40:13.380
I'm not saying you need to use Codex.

768
00:40:13.642 --> 00:40:15.120
I have no vested interest in Codex.

769
00:40:15.180 --> 00:40:16.279
I'm not an investor in OpenAI.

770
00:40:16.401 --> 00:40:17.440
I've never been paid by them.

771
00:40:18.003 --> 00:40:18.980
I just like their platform.

772
00:40:19.743 --> 00:40:21.600
And I think it's the best right now.

773
00:40:21.660 --> 00:40:24.620
And I see a clear path to it being the best over time.

774
00:40:25.140 --> 00:40:28.039
So that's why I'm trying to prepare now

775
00:40:28.643 --> 00:40:31.419
because it's only 10% as good as it will be

776
00:40:32.206 --> 00:40:33.860
maybe once these AI gets really good

777
00:40:33.860 --> 00:40:34.660
at controlling a browser.

778
00:40:34.880 --> 00:40:36.420
That's what I'm really excited about.

779
00:40:36.721 --> 00:40:39.138
So for all those reasons, you should use it.

780
00:40:41.482 --> 00:40:44.300
But again, don't use it if you don't want to.

781
00:40:44.960 --> 00:40:46.440
Anything else on this platform

782
00:40:46.541 --> 00:40:47.819
that's just a must know

783
00:40:47.941 --> 00:40:49.199
in terms of getting the most out of it?

784
00:40:49.360 --> 00:40:50.240
Honestly, you know what?

785
00:40:50.584 --> 00:40:52.140
I maybe should have started this.

786
00:40:52.400 --> 00:40:53.559
But so yesterday in my video,

787
00:40:54.123 --> 00:40:55.029
I posted this video.

788
00:40:55.230 --> 00:40:56.800
I wanted to test browser use.

789
00:40:57.340 --> 00:40:59.080
And so I had it make this chess game.

790
00:40:59.340 --> 00:41:15.720
And then I said, okay, use at browser use and play yourself in chess one move at a time like earlier.

791
00:41:19.027 --> 00:41:25.340
So what you're going to see here, hopefully, if Codex operates properly, and by the way,

792
00:41:25.500 --> 00:41:31.956
we're using 5.5 on medium intelligence, which I will talk about that right after.

793
00:41:32.919 --> 00:41:33.380
But let's see

794
00:41:33.621 --> 00:41:37.212
if this AI plays itself using the browser.

795
00:41:37.835 --> 00:41:39.520
And I think this is just like a good way to kind of get

796
00:41:39.600 --> 00:41:42.290
an idea of like, how the browser use works.

797
00:41:42.511 --> 00:41:44.739
I recommend just having fun with it at first.

798
00:41:44.759 --> 00:41:44.779
I

799
00:41:45.362 --> 00:41:49.680
I think people try to do like, oh, see, you can see the mouse.

800
00:41:49.780 --> 00:41:50.259
You see that?

801
00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:56.080
So it's literally playing itself in chess as both teams.

802
00:41:56.782 --> 00:41:59.460
And look at how fast that's like working, right?

803
00:41:59.580 --> 00:42:04.040
Like, you know, a few months ago, this was way slower than this.

804
00:42:04.140 --> 00:42:08.060
I don't know if you tested any of the browser use stuff, but this is like pretty seamlessly playing.

805
00:42:09.236 --> 00:42:09.340
Yeah.

806
00:42:09.340 --> 00:42:09.520
Yeah.

807
00:42:10.242 --> 00:42:18.500
It felt like with Manus, for example, it was really cool that browser use was even

808
00:42:18.600 --> 00:42:21.291
possible, but it really felt like it was on a dial-up modem.

809
00:42:21.332 --> 00:42:23.400
And this feels like it's broadband.

810
00:42:24.681 --> 00:42:25.022
100%.

811
00:42:25.042 --> 00:42:26.848
Yeah, I just checkmated black.

812
00:42:26.909 --> 00:42:28.334
So white just checkmated black.

813
00:42:28.996 --> 00:42:30.060
White wins by checkmate.

814
00:42:30.681 --> 00:42:34.059
I played it through the in-app browser one move at a time, alternating white and black.

815
00:42:34.119 --> 00:42:34.320
Final

816
00:42:34.400 --> 00:42:36.526
result, white wins by checkmate.

817
00:42:37.449 --> 00:42:39.535
And here we can see the full sequence.

818
00:42:39.715 --> 00:42:41.460
And so in my video,

819
00:42:41.540 --> 00:42:42.464
it did this in one prompt.

820
00:42:42.484 --> 00:42:46.560
I said, build a chess game, then use browser use to test the game and

821
00:42:46.640 --> 00:42:48.266
play yourself until one team wins.

822
00:42:48.828 --> 00:42:52.120
And that's what it did in one shot, which, I mean, that's

823
00:42:52.220 --> 00:42:53.344
pretty insane.

824
00:42:53.585 --> 00:42:56.575
We're desensitized to it now, but that's insane.

825
00:42:56.755 --> 00:42:58.120
If you think about where we were

826
00:42:58.220 --> 00:42:58.902
even a year ago.

827
00:43:00.626 --> 00:43:03.895
And then you think about where we will be a year from now.

828
00:43:05.138 --> 00:43:06.020
It may just create

829
00:43:06.080 --> 00:43:08.712
its own Canva a year from now and then use that.

830
00:43:08.852 --> 00:43:10.700
It might be like, oh, it'd be way faster for me

831
00:43:10.720 --> 00:43:15.220
to just create my own tool because Canva doesn't have this little feature and it can't add it.

832
00:43:15.501 --> 00:43:19.099
It might as well just make its own feature and then add it and then control it.

833
00:43:20.561 --> 00:43:23.092
So are you not using cloud code at all anymore?

834
00:43:23.112 --> 00:43:24.960
This is like your daily driver?

835
00:43:25.641 --> 00:43:27.640
Okay, two things I forgot to cover.

836
00:43:28.082 --> 00:43:28.799
That's one of them.

837
00:43:29.360 --> 00:43:32.380
Command J opens the terminal.

838
00:43:32.921 --> 00:43:33.659
Type Claude.

839
00:43:33.941 --> 00:43:35.540
I have it set up to automatically run

840
00:43:35.560 --> 00:43:37.540
in dangerously skip permissions mode.

841
00:43:38.060 --> 00:43:42.100
Anytime, like I can say, redesign the chess app

842
00:43:42.843 --> 00:43:46.100
to make it the anthropic vibe.

843
00:43:46.604 --> 00:43:46.711
Boom.

844
00:43:47.640 --> 00:43:50.339
Congratulations, you're using Claude code inside Codex.

845
00:43:50.884 --> 00:43:52.920
And you're using it with the Claude subscription.

846
00:43:53.081 --> 00:43:56.900
So you are getting, you're benefiting from that same, the same savings, right?

847
00:43:56.980 --> 00:44:01.580
Another reason why you want to use these models in these platforms directly, like in Cloud

848
00:44:01.701 --> 00:44:06.160
or in Codex is you just save so much money because they're subsidizing, like you get

849
00:44:06.681 --> 00:44:10.772
thousands of dollars of tokens for your $100 per month or $200 per month plan because you're

850
00:44:13.741 --> 00:44:14.520
using their platforms.

851
00:44:14.820 --> 00:44:19.800
So like for me, there's no really good argument on not using these platforms, if I'm being

852
00:44:19.860 --> 00:44:24.593
honest because you get so many tokens as a user.

853
00:44:25.275 --> 00:44:27.180
And you can also just use cloud code directly

854
00:44:27.280 --> 00:44:29.786
inside Codex and it'll work.

855
00:44:30.488 --> 00:44:31.190
So that's one thing.

856
00:44:31.370 --> 00:44:35.420
Also, another thing is, you know, Theo and some

857
00:44:35.460 --> 00:44:41.740
other people have been talking about how they like to use 5.5 on low and medium effort for

858
00:44:42.863 --> 00:44:44.348
most tasks, right?

859
00:44:44.388 --> 00:44:48.140
If you ask it to make a simple change and you use extra high, it'll often like

860
00:44:48.742 --> 00:44:53.700
really try and put a ton of effort into it and it might go off and like do unintended things.

861
00:44:54.280 --> 00:44:56.067
And so that's one thing to look out for.

862
00:44:56.529 --> 00:44:59.180
I'm not very good at discipline enough at doing that.

863
00:44:59.200 --> 00:44:59.220
I

864
00:44:59.260 --> 00:45:03.152
end up using, I end up just on extra high, just running it over and over again.

865
00:45:04.717 --> 00:45:05.600
But that's what

866
00:45:05.600 --> 00:45:06.765
I've been hearing other people say.

867
00:45:07.348 --> 00:45:09.880
And you can also, if it feels like it's going too slow, you

868
00:45:09.960 --> 00:45:11.064
can turn it to fast.

869
00:45:11.425 --> 00:45:15.036
Just know that this will be more expensive.

870
00:45:15.116 --> 00:45:16.240
You'll run out of credits faster.

871
00:45:16.842 --> 00:45:21.760
I also think it's worth mentioning that 5.5 is an expensive model, right?

872
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:22.238
Yes.

873
00:45:22.520 --> 00:45:26.660
If you use it via their API, let's see here.

874
00:45:27.643 --> 00:45:27.998
Look at that.

875
00:45:28.220 --> 00:45:30.960
So Cod code just changed the chessboard, right?

876
00:45:31.463 --> 00:45:33.340
And then you can just throw it away.

877
00:45:33.440 --> 00:45:39.520
The only thing is if you use Codex in the app, you get that like spinny animation and you can see when it's done.

878
00:45:39.781 --> 00:45:41.680
That does not happen when you use it in the browser.

879
00:45:41.860 --> 00:45:44.080
They're kind of like separate things.

880
00:45:44.385 --> 00:45:45.320
So just keep that in mind.

881
00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:46.526
but like, look at how easy that was.

882
00:45:46.748 --> 00:45:49.080
Now people are like, oh, but Claude's way better at design.

883
00:45:49.240 --> 00:45:51.573
So it's like, just make the whole app and then tell Claude to design it.

884
00:45:51.673 --> 00:45:52.860
Like, that's what I say.

885
00:45:52.940 --> 00:45:54.729
It's like, it's that easy.

886
00:45:55.754 --> 00:45:56.900
What did you just ask right before this?

887
00:45:58.461 --> 00:46:03.875
I was just saying that, you know, you should be noted that 5.5 is a more expensive model.

888
00:46:06.640 --> 00:46:06.780
Yeah.

889
00:46:06.821 --> 00:46:14.019
If you use it via the API, it's twice as expensive as the recent model, which is

890
00:46:14.521 --> 00:46:16.244
GPT 5.4.

891
00:46:16.806 --> 00:46:18.088
It's twice as expensive.

892
00:46:18.810 --> 00:46:23.320
But what you'll find is that the model is actually more efficient.

893
00:46:23.721 --> 00:46:28.296
So it'll get the job done and get the job done better with less tokens.

894
00:46:29.059 --> 00:46:29.420
And I think

895
00:46:30.705 --> 00:46:33.336
that's where I think the benchmark thing will be a year from now.

896
00:46:33.497 --> 00:46:34.300
It's not going to be how

897
00:46:34.440 --> 00:46:35.423
token efficient is it.

898
00:46:36.025 --> 00:46:40.620
It's going to be how much money and how much time does it cost to do a

899
00:46:40.700 --> 00:46:41.443
specific task.

900
00:46:42.105 --> 00:46:46.240
You know, the same way you would hire a contractor or a human employee, you're not

901
00:46:46.300 --> 00:46:49.352
like, you don't think about it in terms of token efficiency.

902
00:46:49.392 --> 00:46:51.380
You're like, you know, you just think

903
00:46:51.440 --> 00:46:54.449
about how expensive is it to get a task done.

904
00:46:54.670 --> 00:46:57.920
And so like, if you were, what this model does is it

905
00:46:57.980 --> 00:46:59.767
really thinks about your intent more.

906
00:46:59.928 --> 00:47:02.820
And so it'll go more directly towards what it is that you want.

907
00:47:03.260 --> 00:47:06.092
And so you may find that it actually gets things done better and faster.

908
00:47:07.277 --> 00:47:07.960
But yeah, it definitely

909
00:47:08.080 --> 00:47:11.010
can cost more money when using it on the API.

910
00:47:11.090 --> 00:47:13.980
I haven't noticed my credits going down twice as

911
00:47:14.120 --> 00:47:16.127
much when using it in the app.

912
00:47:16.528 --> 00:47:17.371
So that's hard to say.

913
00:47:17.391 --> 00:47:20.040
And then it's also 20% more expensive than

914
00:47:20.662 --> 00:47:21.606
Opus 4.7.

915
00:47:21.726 --> 00:47:22.831
So that's one thing to consider.

916
00:47:24.076 --> 00:47:24.960
So it is pretty expensive.

917
00:47:26.082 --> 00:47:28.474
You said that there were two things that you wanted to cover.

918
00:47:28.655 --> 00:47:29.700
One was terminal.

919
00:47:30.581 --> 00:47:34.118
One was the models and the second was using cloud code in the terminal.

920
00:47:34.239 --> 00:47:34.440
And again,

921
00:47:34.480 --> 00:47:35.424
this is a full terminal.

922
00:47:35.484 --> 00:47:38.194
So if you're technical, like you can do anything in here.

923
00:47:38.836 --> 00:47:39.840
And I think,

924
00:47:40.480 --> 00:47:43.629
yeah, I mean, you can create any type of document.

925
00:47:44.171 --> 00:47:45.695
I'm still learning this right now.

926
00:47:45.936 --> 00:47:46.999
So for example,

927
00:47:47.581 --> 00:47:51.933
you can leave comments on the browser.

928
00:47:52.214 --> 00:47:54.480
This is similar to cursor has this feature as well.

929
00:47:54.921 --> 00:48:01.740
So you can just comment directly on this and say like, this should say, Greg chess,

930
00:48:03.144 --> 00:48:03.485
chess.

931
00:48:03.966 --> 00:48:08.580
And what you'll see once you press enter, you see that one annotation enters the chat.

932
00:48:08.600 --> 00:48:08.660
Let

933
00:48:08.680 --> 00:48:09.923
me close out of this.

934
00:48:10.925 --> 00:48:13.169
And then you can add another one.

935
00:48:13.189 --> 00:48:17.679
You can say like the pieces should be bigger.

936
00:48:20.421 --> 00:48:22.267
And you can just say bigger.

937
00:48:22.287 --> 00:48:26.140
And so you can add three annotations and then just say make

938
00:48:26.481 --> 00:48:27.344
these changes.

939
00:48:28.147 --> 00:48:30.857
That's kind of how I do it for a lot of the design changes.

940
00:48:30.897 --> 00:48:31.640
And it's super useful.

941
00:48:33.408 --> 00:48:35.860
And so, yeah, I mean, this is a very complete product.

942
00:48:36.343 --> 00:48:37.480
You can also full screen it.

943
00:48:37.821 --> 00:48:40.817
One thing that you can do is you can full screen and then you can kind of message it here.

944
00:48:41.521 --> 00:48:45.200
It's kind of a more immersive way to do some vibe coding tasks.

945
00:48:45.341 --> 00:48:49.580
Or if you want to just focus on the document that you're working on, I find this to be incredibly useful.

946
00:48:50.560 --> 00:48:54.115
Have you been using Codex a lot with images 2.0?

947
00:48:55.800 --> 00:48:56.547
Yes, 100%.

948
00:48:57.981 --> 00:49:00.480
So great question.

949
00:49:00.741 --> 00:49:06.180
Codex has GPT image 2 which is the best image model in the world and again this is not like

950
00:49:06.300 --> 00:49:10.820
up for debate I'm not again I'm really not trying to shill anything you notice here that it's making

951
00:49:10.920 --> 00:49:15.340
changes and it's using browser use to test stuff I didn't even ask for that so just wanted to put

952
00:49:15.380 --> 00:49:21.520
that out there yeah the GPT image model is actually insane it's better across every single

953
00:49:21.580 --> 00:49:26.959
category and it's built into Codex and so you can ask it to create websites you can ask it to

954
00:49:27.822 --> 00:49:34.098
create 10 different versions of thumbnails and Codex will just prompt GPT image too.

955
00:49:34.520 --> 00:49:34.700
And then

956
00:49:34.740 --> 00:49:39.978
it can generate images and then it can put those images in a Word doc.

957
00:49:39.998 --> 00:49:40.560
You can put them in a

958
00:49:40.600 --> 00:49:42.366
presentation or a website or anything.

959
00:49:42.687 --> 00:49:44.233
So yeah, it's a super useful feature.

960
00:49:44.875 --> 00:49:46.180
And I think there

961
00:49:46.240 --> 00:49:51.880
might be a skill for it um it's slash image or gpt

962
00:49:54.749 --> 00:49:58.240
no okay you can just ask it to use gpt image and it'll just do it

963
00:49:58.943 --> 00:50:02.719
and they also have sora built in too like sora is an official plug-in

964
00:50:03.762 --> 00:50:10.820
and i believe yeah but you're gonna use sora no yeah no god no sora i don't even have it

965
00:50:10.860 --> 00:50:13.840
installed i just you know some people out there you know they might want to create some brain

966
00:50:13.921 --> 00:50:15.480
rot videos or whatever they're doing.

967
00:50:16.000 --> 00:50:16.217
Yeah.

968
00:50:16.661 --> 00:50:18.439
I think the people that listen to this,

969
00:50:19.100 --> 00:50:20.352
like most people here are like,

970
00:50:21.442 --> 00:50:23.140
I want to start a company where I are,

971
00:50:24.004 --> 00:50:26.260
I have a company and I want product market fit

972
00:50:26.300 --> 00:50:27.339
and I want to scale it.

973
00:50:27.943 --> 00:50:29.898
And they're looking at how can I use this tool

974
00:50:30.724 --> 00:50:33.560
to just supercharge my productivity.

975
00:50:34.460 --> 00:50:36.760
And so I think that with respect to Sora,

976
00:50:37.860 --> 00:50:41.380
you know, Sora is now delisted from the app store, right?

977
00:50:42.463 --> 00:50:48.080
yeah it's it doesn't exist anymore doesn't exist anymore so it's like it's interesting it's fun

978
00:50:48.984 --> 00:50:52.640
but i think the people listening to this are way more interested in using remotion

979
00:50:53.603 --> 00:50:58.340
totally but but remind you that's not like a reference to the app the the plugin it's it's

980
00:50:58.541 --> 00:51:02.860
it's the video model and sora is not the best video model right now so that's why it's not

981
00:51:02.900 --> 00:51:05.860
interesting and i think that's what openai realized they're like oh it's going to take

982
00:51:06.061 --> 00:51:10.760
so much effort to create the best state-of-the-art video model like that's what people want to use

983
00:51:11.221 --> 00:51:16.667
So you can create a skill that connects to FAL to use the best video models, and you can attach it to this app.

984
00:51:17.068 --> 00:51:21.213
And you could have those videos show up inside the Remotion thing.

985
00:51:21.233 --> 00:51:27.040
You can put videos inside of the Remotion video that play in the video itself.

986
00:51:27.160 --> 00:51:34.440
So if you wanted to create a talking head video of you, I've seen you have used AI video before, I'm certain.

987
00:51:34.961 --> 00:51:40.520
You could easily set that workflow to work directly inside Codex and you could add subtitles directly in it.

988
00:51:40.920 --> 00:51:49.340
I'm sure there's going to be a company that only builds like an AI video editor like Remotion that shows up inside Codex and they're going to make a killing, right?

989
00:51:50.945 --> 00:51:51.640
That's all coming.

990
00:51:51.840 --> 00:51:55.020
And so you'll be able to just edit, create videos directly inside Codex.

991
00:51:55.382 --> 00:51:57.780
because any interface that you can possibly think of

992
00:51:57.901 --> 00:52:00.080
that would be on the internet will show up here

993
00:52:00.202 --> 00:52:01.240
because it's a full web browser.

994
00:52:02.982 --> 00:52:05.698
And with, you know, working with FAL,

995
00:52:06.660 --> 00:52:09.420
you know, what is the best video model?

996
00:52:09.641 --> 00:52:10.413
Is it C-Dance 2.0?

997
00:52:11.000 --> 00:52:12.292
Is there something else that you use?

998
00:52:13.220 --> 00:52:14.540
Yeah, for whatever reason,

999
00:52:14.762 --> 00:52:17.120
I've like completely lost interest in AI videos.

1000
00:52:17.260 --> 00:52:18.440
Maybe it's gotten so good.

1001
00:52:19.241 --> 00:52:21.059
For me, I just focus so much more on like,

1002
00:52:21.861 --> 00:52:24.980
I find coding and agents so much more interesting

1003
00:52:25.080 --> 00:52:29.560
than video models i'm not up to date i would love in the comments if someone could let us know what

1004
00:52:29.700 --> 00:52:36.500
the current state-of-the-art model is i'm really curious uh i've heard seed dance cling and a few

1005
00:52:36.580 --> 00:52:43.140
others are really good um i'm curious where google is have you heard anything about vo like is that

1006
00:52:43.380 --> 00:52:47.857
still a good model three was that the latest one i think it was the latest maybe like 3.1 or

1007
00:52:48.722 --> 00:52:48.938
something?

1008
00:52:49.280 --> 00:52:49.380
Yeah.

1009
00:52:50.061 --> 00:52:55.840
I mean, I had PJ Ace on, I don't know, three, four months ago.

1010
00:52:55.920 --> 00:53:02.078
And the stuff that he was able to show me in terms of creating commercials using VO

1011
00:53:02.981 --> 00:53:05.800
3.0, I believe, was incredible.

1012
00:53:08.222 --> 00:53:11.540
I haven't heard of a big launch from Google since then.

1013
00:53:14.080 --> 00:53:15.225
But I loved what he showed me.

1014
00:53:18.740 --> 00:53:21.880
I also played with Seedance 2 last week.

1015
00:53:24.685 --> 00:53:27.480
And I was also like very, very impressed.

1016
00:53:28.260 --> 00:53:30.360
Yeah, I always try it and I'm like, this is awesome.

1017
00:53:30.440 --> 00:53:32.060
And then I'm like, what am I going to use this for?

1018
00:53:32.180 --> 00:53:33.760
Like for me, I make educational content.

1019
00:53:33.880 --> 00:53:34.478
I like talking.

1020
00:53:35.245 --> 00:53:36.180
You know, it's hard for me.

1021
00:53:36.180 --> 00:53:48.680
And I've just been using Remotion a lot because very similar to you, in the first, you know, one to two minutes of my long form videos, I use graphics to kind of outline the, you know, I saw or watched one of your OpenClaw videos recently.

1022
00:53:48.780 --> 00:53:53.420
and you have a really cool graphic of OpenClaw with a spotlight coming down on the OpenClaw.

1023
00:53:53.520 --> 00:53:56.219
It's just a very good opening graphic, and that's how I use it.

1024
00:53:56.601 --> 00:53:59.760
I use it as overlays over my long-form content.

1025
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:01.160
That's what I'm excited about.

1026
00:54:01.340 --> 00:54:05.540
I just have been using it not at all for AI-generated video.

1027
00:54:05.820 --> 00:54:07.740
But also, PJ is a legend, by the way.

1028
00:54:07.840 --> 00:54:08.320
I love that dude.

1029
00:54:08.442 --> 00:54:08.979
Absolute legend.

1030
00:54:09.840 --> 00:54:16.280
I think a part of what's daunting for a lot of people in AI in general

1031
00:54:16.663 --> 00:54:18.579
is they hear about something like Codex

1032
00:54:19.767 --> 00:54:21.500
and they're overwhelmed with

1033
00:54:21.922 --> 00:54:24.880
how do I actually make this a part of my life?

1034
00:54:25.060 --> 00:54:27.019
I just had coffee right before this

1035
00:54:27.567 --> 00:54:28.420
with a friend of mine

1036
00:54:28.440 --> 00:54:32.860
and I was like, dude, are you on Codex?

1037
00:54:33.061 --> 00:54:34.040
How are you using Cloud?

1038
00:54:34.320 --> 00:54:35.556
How are you using Gemini?

1039
00:54:36.260 --> 00:54:38.240
And he was just like, to be honest,

1040
00:54:38.421 --> 00:54:39.719
I use Notion and Notion AI

1041
00:54:40.001 --> 00:54:44.640
and I ping pong with ChatGPT and Gemini sometimes

1042
00:54:44.822 --> 00:54:46.100
but that's basically it.

1043
00:54:46.701 --> 00:54:52.840
And I was like, well, what's stopping you from setting up some automations and creating some skills and this and that?

1044
00:54:52.880 --> 00:54:55.400
And he's like, I'm just overwhelmed and I don't know.

1045
00:54:56.260 --> 00:54:56.380
Yeah.

1046
00:54:58.082 --> 00:55:00.620
Yeah, I mean, first of all, Notion's done a great job, honestly.

1047
00:55:01.260 --> 00:55:10.700
You know, I think they're, I don't use Notion much anymore because the platform got a little too overwhelming to onboard other people onto.

1048
00:55:11.161 --> 00:55:15.420
Like, if you don't know how to use Notion, it's becoming a little annoying to, like, teach people how to use Notion.

1049
00:55:15.501 --> 00:55:17.740
It's kind of overwhelming a little bit.

1050
00:55:18.522 --> 00:55:20.960
But they have a really good agent system built in.

1051
00:55:21.180 --> 00:55:25.339
And if you want to go deep in Notion AI and learning how to build agents, do it.

1052
00:55:26.406 --> 00:55:27.740
Like, you know, it's great.

1053
00:55:27.961 --> 00:55:30.560
I just personally want to create other types of documents.

1054
00:55:31.240 --> 00:55:37.900
And I find Codex, like very soon you'll be able to connect, like Notion will just show up in the browser.

1055
00:55:39.462 --> 00:55:43.260
Because right now you can't sign into anything and have it stay signed in.

1056
00:55:43.300 --> 00:55:43.999
It's not persistent.

1057
00:55:45.264 --> 00:55:49.820
but I know for a fact that they're releasing a full browser.

1058
00:55:50.341 --> 00:55:52.060
And so there is a Notion skill already.

1059
00:55:52.140 --> 00:55:53.220
You'll be able to control Notion.

1060
00:55:53.720 --> 00:55:56.220
And so you're going to be able to use these models

1061
00:55:56.341 --> 00:55:59.620
for cheaper inside Codex to use AI inside Notion.

1062
00:56:00.042 --> 00:56:01.260
To me, it doesn't make much sense

1063
00:56:01.321 --> 00:56:02.780
to use the agents within Notion.

1064
00:56:03.200 --> 00:56:04.939
It makes sense to use the agents within Codex

1065
00:56:05.464 --> 00:56:07.240
and then use the interface of Notion if you like.

1066
00:56:07.703 --> 00:56:08.594
That's how I see it.

1067
00:56:09.560 --> 00:56:13.060
But if you say you use Notion as your second brain,

1068
00:56:13.140 --> 00:56:16.539
I'm sure there's a plugin, a Notion plugin that connects, right?

1069
00:56:17.021 --> 00:56:17.720
Yeah, absolutely.

1070
00:56:18.040 --> 00:56:20.400
Plugin, Notion, I have it set up.

1071
00:56:20.540 --> 00:56:22.960
I use Notion for one specific thing

1072
00:56:23.000 --> 00:56:26.220
and that is for all of my videos I create one Notion page

1073
00:56:26.782 --> 00:56:31.420
and I drop in, you can actually upload videos to it

1074
00:56:31.501 --> 00:56:34.260
and I can comment on parts of the script

1075
00:56:34.684 --> 00:56:36.240
and include attachments on the videos.

1076
00:56:36.583 --> 00:56:37.560
It's a niche use case.

1077
00:56:38.020 --> 00:56:40.540
So I use Notion and I set it up with one click.

1078
00:56:41.021 --> 00:56:52.620
And if you actually go to Notion, actually, we don't need to get into this, but it's super easy to choose what team spaces has access for Codex.

1079
00:56:53.141 --> 00:56:56.560
So when you go to Notion, you can very easily set up permissions.

1080
00:56:56.800 --> 00:57:00.040
And you can only give it access to one database if you want.

1081
00:57:00.901 --> 00:57:09.220
If you're worried about it messing with your Notion or privacy concerns, you can give it access to only specific databases, which I find really useful.

1082
00:57:10.349 --> 00:57:11.559
I want to end on this note

1083
00:57:14.134 --> 00:57:15.100
I want to end on

1084
00:57:15.945 --> 00:57:18.059
for someone who's just getting started with Codex

1085
00:57:19.105 --> 00:57:21.077
if there's three or four

1086
00:57:21.762 --> 00:57:23.960
things that they should do once they've got it installed

1087
00:57:24.847 --> 00:57:26.440
what would those things be?

1088
00:57:27.060 --> 00:57:29.199
It's very funny and by the way we didn't plan this

1089
00:57:29.581 --> 00:57:33.180
I put this right before the podcast I was like if there's projects to get started

1090
00:57:33.643 --> 00:57:35.840
to test I actually wrote them down

1091
00:57:36.606 --> 00:57:38.100
and we covered one of them

1092
00:57:38.663 --> 00:57:42.060
I think the first thing that you should do is you should have fun on all these platforms.

1093
00:57:42.240 --> 00:57:50.360
I think the worst thing that people do when they show up on the platform is to like expect to get productivity out of it right away without kind of like play around for 30 minutes.

1094
00:57:50.640 --> 00:57:58.760
Take an hour to just do fun projects and this gives you an idea of like the possibilities and then hone it down and get very specific and get discipline.

1095
00:57:59.240 --> 00:58:05.200
And so I think one of the best things that you can do is like make a game and have browser use play a game against itself.

1096
00:58:05.361 --> 00:58:06.840
Just use the browser use, test it.

1097
00:58:07.140 --> 00:58:19.360
It'll get your brain thinking about where this is going in the future and how this will be useful in the future, which may actually change how you set up your documentation now for all of your different tasks.

1098
00:58:19.500 --> 00:58:23.240
Like maybe you can start preparing for it now because this is not a year from now.

1099
00:58:23.320 --> 00:58:24.820
This is like three months away.

1100
00:58:25.400 --> 00:58:28.260
AI will be able to control any browser like as good of a human.

1101
00:58:28.560 --> 00:58:31.860
And this is something I can't convey by explaining it.

1102
00:58:31.920 --> 00:58:32.760
You have to try it out.

1103
00:58:32.861 --> 00:58:34.140
So that's why I recommend trying it out.

1104
00:58:35.140 --> 00:58:41.360
Another thing that you should do is tell AI to do in-depth research and say, put it on max effort

1105
00:58:41.460 --> 00:58:47.220
and say, I want you to research this topic and organize all the information you find into a

1106
00:58:47.280 --> 00:58:47.722
spreadsheet.

1107
00:58:48.203 --> 00:58:52.739
Then when you're done, turn that into a document and a presentation and just get the

1108
00:58:52.960 --> 00:58:56.773
sense that you can create a in-depth research report.

1109
00:58:57.034 --> 00:58:58.218
You can put it in a spreadsheet.

1110
00:58:58.659 --> 00:58:58.860
You can

1111
00:58:58.920 --> 00:59:00.628
create a document and a presentation, right?

1112
00:59:01.090 --> 00:59:03.220
So once you do these two things, you now understand

1113
00:59:03.300 --> 00:59:05.631
browser use and all the types of documents it can create.

1114
00:59:06.234 --> 00:59:07.640
And then I said, make a 3D simulation.

1115
00:59:08.280 --> 00:59:09.325
This one's more just for fun.

1116
00:59:10.249 --> 00:59:12.860
If you want to, you can also try and build a mobile app in Swift.

1117
00:59:13.361 --> 00:59:16.920
If you have a company website and you're like, oh, you've always wanted to create a mobile app,

1118
00:59:17.922 --> 00:59:22.700
you can literally download the code to your web app or website, upload it and say, hey,

1119
00:59:22.820 --> 00:59:24.347
I want you to build a mobile app in Swift.

1120
00:59:24.728 --> 00:59:27.720
For this, for now, you still need to have a Mac and

1121
00:59:27.720 --> 00:59:33.560
You need to have Xcode downloaded, but it can one-shot mobile apps, like full mobile apps.

1122
00:59:35.741 --> 00:59:39.680
There's a few things that you need to learn, but you'll be mind-blown at what it can create in one shot.

1123
00:59:39.801 --> 00:59:42.060
To the point where it's actually gotten scary for me.

1124
00:59:42.541 --> 00:59:45.800
I'm like, oh my God, every app that can exist will exist.

1125
00:59:47.441 --> 00:59:49.500
That's how good AI is getting at creating mobile apps.

1126
00:59:50.101 --> 00:59:56.820
And then the main thing after you've kind of played around, like I said, list out all the things that you do on a day-to-day basis.

1127
00:59:57.321 --> 01:00:03.020
pick the most annoying thing that you do every day, and then try and do it with computer use,

1128
01:00:03.724 --> 01:00:05.935
or just try to create a workflow that accomplishes it.

1129
01:00:05.975 --> 01:00:06.920
Maybe you use plugins,

1130
01:00:07.402 --> 01:00:10.194
and then tell your agent to turn it into an automation.

1131
01:00:10.836 --> 01:00:11.680
Just tell your agent to turn it

1132
01:00:11.680 --> 01:00:12.403
into an automation.

1133
01:00:13.005 --> 01:00:16.900
And you know, if you can create one useful automation in a couple of

1134
01:00:16.980 --> 01:00:18.847
hours, that might be worth it, you know.

1135
01:00:20.634 --> 01:00:22.160
And so those are just some projects that you could get

1136
01:00:22.220 --> 01:00:26.740
started with right now that will give you an overarching view of what this tool can do.

1137
01:00:27.161 --> 01:00:29.160
And I think by then you'll be like, okay, I understand.

1138
01:00:30.041 --> 01:00:33.819
And by then you'll be like, that Riley Brown guy, he was right about that codex thing.

1139
01:00:34.400 --> 01:00:34.762
Yeah.

1140
01:00:34.822 --> 01:00:35.747
And you might have doubt now.

1141
01:00:36.068 --> 01:00:38.480
You can only convey so much information by talking or even

1142
01:00:38.560 --> 01:00:39.704
showing.

1143
01:00:39.724 --> 01:00:42.754
With AI, I think to a large degree, you have to feel it.

1144
01:00:43.116 --> 01:00:43.858
You do these things.

1145
01:00:44.239 --> 01:00:44.460
If you're

1146
01:00:44.480 --> 01:00:46.326
still not sold, message me.

1147
01:00:47.470 --> 01:00:48.594
I don't think you'll exist.

1148
01:00:49.396 --> 01:00:50.500
I don't think that person will exist.

1149
01:00:51.584 --> 01:00:56.060
just you gotta try it i'll include links for where to find riley in the show notes in the

1150
01:00:56.120 --> 01:01:02.420
description riley put my phone number i want a direct line no i'll include riley's phone number

1151
01:01:02.560 --> 01:01:08.380
actually be careful what you text riley because he's got uh chronicle set up so you know whatever

1152
01:01:08.480 --> 01:01:15.500
you text him might just show up on the internet it goes straight to sam altman yeah riley thanks

1153
01:01:15.560 --> 01:01:16.843
so much for coming on the show.

1154
01:01:16.863 --> 01:01:23.300
Do you have one last word of wisdom to leave people after this

1155
01:01:23.440 --> 01:01:24.704
Codex Masterclass?

1156
01:01:26.249 --> 01:01:28.417
Honestly, just get out there and experiment.

1157
01:01:28.477 --> 01:01:29.400
Right now is the best time to

1158
01:01:29.460 --> 01:01:30.062
experiment.

1159
01:01:30.163 --> 01:01:34.900
And what I've noticed, you know, in being in San Francisco, I've noticed that the

1160
01:01:34.920 --> 01:01:38.760
people who have been like really successful creating startups are people who just like

1161
01:01:39.302 --> 01:01:44.500
want to experiment and tinker and they don't have so many people who are like type A,

1162
01:01:45.062 --> 01:01:48.475
want to get an immediate benefit after 30 minutes of using a tool.

1163
01:01:48.837 --> 01:01:49.680
And I don't think that's where

1164
01:01:49.720 --> 01:01:50.363
the benefits come.

1165
01:01:50.383 --> 01:01:53.695
I think the benefits come from tinkering, messing around with tools.

1166
01:01:54.539 --> 01:01:54.860
And when you

1167
01:01:54.900 --> 01:01:58.557
get, when you have this weird inclination of you're like, okay, wait, what is a model?

1168
01:01:58.597 --> 01:01:59.139
Why is this

1169
01:01:59.621 --> 01:02:01.871
model different than the DeepSeek V4 model?

1170
01:02:01.891 --> 01:02:03.780
It's like, go down that rabbit hole, use AI,

1171
01:02:03.981 --> 01:02:04.563
learn about it.

1172
01:02:04.583 --> 01:02:08.700
And then through that process, you'll learn the things you need to learn to like

1173
01:02:09.161 --> 01:02:10.727
start or grow your business.

1174
01:02:10.767 --> 01:02:14.660
I think all of the magic in AI happens in these like rabbit holes.

1175
01:02:14.801 --> 01:02:17.032
And then once you find something, just like go all in on it.

1176
01:02:17.092 --> 01:02:18.660
That's, that's kind of my,

1177
01:02:18.841 --> 01:02:19.824
my final advice.

1178
01:02:20.005 --> 01:02:23.840
And I think Codex is a great kind of surface to do it on.

1179
01:02:24.520 --> 01:02:28.717
You're totally right, by the way, I lived in San Francisco for, you know, almost nine years.

1180
01:02:28.737 --> 01:02:28.797
And

1181
01:02:29.540 --> 01:02:38.300
I think it's not just so much that the tinkers win is that people, the tinkers who aren't

1182
01:02:38.601 --> 01:02:40.310
afraid of looking dumb win.

1183
01:02:42.820 --> 01:02:47.880
So I think when you're trying some of these tools,

1184
01:02:48.361 --> 01:02:50.000
you might feel dumb initially.

1185
01:02:50.821 --> 01:02:53.339
And it's because you aren't a master of it yet.

1186
01:02:54.583 --> 01:02:56.220
But the only way to become a master

1187
01:02:56.462 --> 01:02:58.580
is to actually put in the time and work.

1188
01:02:59.720 --> 01:03:02.050
So I think the reward is infinite.

1189
01:03:05.023 --> 01:03:06.720
The ability to use these tools really well,

1190
01:03:06.781 --> 01:03:08.620
like Codex and be able to create.

1191
01:03:09.481 --> 01:03:12.760
For me, this isn't just a tool

1192
01:03:12.841 --> 01:03:14.300
that's helpful for content creators.

1193
01:03:14.600 --> 01:03:17.100
This is helpful for literally anything

1194
01:03:17.423 --> 01:03:18.699
that you can dream of.

1195
01:03:18.920 --> 01:03:20.780
Lead magnets, you used one example.

1196
01:03:20.900 --> 01:03:22.460
Lead magnets, content of course,

1197
01:03:22.561 --> 01:03:25.460
but ideas for products that you want to create,

1198
01:03:25.540 --> 01:03:26.599
businesses you want to create,

1199
01:03:27.261 --> 01:03:29.259
automating your personal life,

1200
01:03:29.660 --> 01:03:32.399
automating a dream team

1201
01:03:33.184 --> 01:03:36.100
for a business that you're starting.

1202
01:03:36.100 --> 01:03:37.091
and everything in between.

1203
01:03:39.727 --> 01:03:40.560
Keep playing.

1204
01:03:41.020 --> 01:03:42.498
Just stop listening to this.

1205
01:03:44.002 --> 01:03:45.675
Also, like and comment for us.

1206
01:03:47.263 --> 01:03:49.760
I want this episode to get a lot of love

1207
01:03:49.821 --> 01:03:50.979
so Riley comes back on.

1208
01:03:52.382 --> 01:03:53.299
Get your hands on it.

1209
01:03:53.582 --> 01:03:54.279
Come on, dude.

1210
01:03:54.360 --> 01:03:56.059
This is my fifth time on the show, man.

1211
01:03:56.947 --> 01:03:57.900
I'll come back on any time,

1212
01:03:58.021 --> 01:03:59.000
even if it gets 10 views.

1213
01:03:59.641 --> 01:04:02.040
You came on when we were just a little show.

1214
01:04:02.660 --> 01:04:04.900
Dude, honestly, there's an argument to be made

1215
01:04:04.920 --> 01:04:05.999
that I put you on the map.

1216
01:04:06.141 --> 01:04:07.380
No, I'm just playing.

1217
01:04:08.321 --> 01:04:10.900
The video, the first vibe coding video, it's funny.

1218
01:04:11.281 --> 01:04:13.840
I actually, someone, a lot of people bring that up.

1219
01:04:14.000 --> 01:04:16.040
They're like, oh, I first saw you on Greg Eisenberg's podcast

1220
01:04:16.282 --> 01:04:18.300
when I was struggling through that first episode.

1221
01:04:18.903 --> 01:04:20.154
And that's why we do this, right?

1222
01:04:20.940 --> 01:04:25.360
Like, you know, I hope, so yeah, thanks again for coming on.

1223
01:04:25.440 --> 01:04:28.380
And I hope someone learned one, two, three, four, five things

1224
01:04:28.521 --> 01:04:31.400
that just gave them not just the creative juices

1225
01:04:33.128 --> 01:04:35.500
to actually use these tools, but the motivation to keep going.

1226
01:04:35.602 --> 01:04:36.420
So thanks a lot, Riley.

1227
01:04:37.260 --> 01:04:38.280
Appreciate you having me on.

1228
01:04:38.320 --> 01:04:38.820
This is awesome.