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Hey, guys, welcome back to the podcast.

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So excited to talk about the parables today

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with two of my beautiful co-hosts.

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Did that feel weird?

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Yeah.

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Guys, I'm really trying to work on my tone,

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speaking to others, so hold me accountable,

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but hey, why don't you guys introduce yourselves?

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I'm Izzy, and I'm Zoe, and that's Zach.

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Yes, cool, so beautiful.

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Lots of sads in our names.

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Yeah.

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That's super cool.

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I've got the most amount of sads there.

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Shout out.

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Hey, we're going to be talking about a parable

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in Luke chapter 16.

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So why don't you flip it open?

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It's near the end.

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It's about Lazarus and the rich man.

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But before we get into it, hey, our vision here at the way

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And let's roll the credence and get into it.

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Flip open your Bible.

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It's already open.

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Whoa.

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Dude, I love your Bible.

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This is the first time I'm seeing this Bible from Zoe.

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I'm from Bible.

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Do you have this Bible?

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Yeah, we actually all have it, which is hilarious.

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It's so huge.

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It's a chunky boy.

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It's a chunky boy.

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I love it.

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But I love that it's hard back.

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Me too.

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Her back Bible is awesome.

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I'll give it a free at my mother's graduation.

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Praise God.

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There's one story there.

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Well, hey, I thought before we jump in,

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I could share a little bit of context

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because this parable, it's kind of got a setting

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and then it's got a plot.

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And I think we want to focus more on the plot

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than the setting of where it happens.

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And I'll tell you why, okay?

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Tell us why.

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If you guys look in your Bibles, all right,

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take a look at this.

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I'm reading from the ESV, by the way,

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for anyone who's wondering.

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If you go back to chapter 15,

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we have a really famous parable.

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It's the parable of the prodigal song.

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And then you'll notice that Luke immediately following

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this parable, he is the parable of the dishonest manager

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in the beginning of chapter 16.

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And then there's a little bit of teaching on God and money.

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And then immediately following that,

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we have our parable that we're going to be looking at today.

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The reason I point that out is,

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Luke seems to think that this parable

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is the third in a series of parables

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that talk about stewardship.

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What is stewardship?

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It's the managing of the things that God has given us

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to be responsible over.

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So the parable of the prodigal son,

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the son wastes his father's inheritance.

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The parable of the dishonest manager,

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the manager poorly stewards the master's money.

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And then we find ourselves right here.

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And also that teaching on,

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you cannot serve two masters.

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That's like right before this.

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So Jesus says, you cannot serve both God and money.

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Now we jump into this parable.

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I also had a little bit,

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I don't know if this is like theologically incorrect,

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but I thought the, my Bible splits up the verse

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right before this, verse 18,

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which is on divorce and remarriage.

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Yeah, my question's to you.

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But I was thinking about the fact that

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there's so much about in the Bible,

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how God's relationship to us is like marriage,

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that maybe he's making the point here

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that to serve money rather than God

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is spiritually equivalent to divorcing

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someone that you're in marriage with,

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or in covenant with.

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Anyways, I don't know if that's like really incorrect

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and Luke just wanted to throw this in,

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but I feel like that flowed with the,

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anyways, that's a little backstory.

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And all of that to say,

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we're not gonna really focus on in this podcast,

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the theme of the afterlife

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and kind of who necessarily goes where

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and what that all looks like.

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Instead, we're gonna talk about some other things,

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keep you on your toes.

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Here we go.

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Okay, Izzy, could you read the whole parable for us

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and then we're gonna go back through verse by verse

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and pick some things?

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You know what, I will.

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Awesome.

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Before I do that,

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Zach's got a beard today, guys.

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Okay.

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New beard, I'm lost.

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How does it feel to be a woman?

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I feel really embarrassing to point out.

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Do I feel warm?

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Do you feel extra wise?

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I feel a little bit more wise today.

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Okay, she was okay.

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It's a bit itchy, but yeah.

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He's trying to out.

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I'm just trying to know.

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Say it for us in the comments.

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Okay.

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Oh, sorry, I'm just moving my posters out the way.

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All right, read us this parable passage.

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I love God.

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Okay, I'm reading the NIV version,

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The Rich Man and Lazarus.

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There was a rich man who was dressed in purple

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and fine linen and lived in luxury every day.

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At his gate was laid a beggar named Lazarus,

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covered with sores,

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and longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table.

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Even the dogs came and licked his sores.

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The time came when the beggar died

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and the angels carried him to a Abraham side.

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The rich man also died and was buried in Hades

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where he was in torment.

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He looked up and saw Abraham far away

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with Lazarus by his side.

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So he called to him,

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Father Abraham, have pity on me and send Lazarus

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to dip the tip of his finger in water and cool my tongue

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because I am an agony in this fire.

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But Abraham replied,

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Son, remember that in your lifetime

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you received your good things

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while Lazarus received bad things,

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but now he is comforted here and you are an agony.

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And besides all this between us and you,

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a great chasm has been set in place

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so that those who want to go from here to you,

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whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

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And besides all this, between us and you,

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a great chasm has been set in place

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so that those who want to go from here to you cannot

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nor can anyone cross over from there to us.

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He answered,

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and I beg you, Father, send Lazarus to my family

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but I have five brothers, let him warn them

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so they will not also come to this place of torment.

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Abraham replied,

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they have Moses and the prophets let them listen to them.

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No father Abraham, he said,

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but if someone from the dead goes to them, they will repent.

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He said to him,

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if they do not listen to Moses and the prophets,

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they will not be convinced even if someone rises from the dead.

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So much in here, so much in here.

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Okay, let's just jump straight into it.

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Verse 19, man, I think Jesus is so funny, dude.

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I think Jesus is so funny.

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This is what I read, all right?

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There was a rich man who was clothed in purple.

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Okay. I love wearing purple.

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You love wearing purple.

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Oh, it's gonna wear purple today, I forgot.

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Do you know what purple represents, Biblically?

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Royalty?

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Shout out.

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This guy was like, I'm the king of the cast.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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I type by with my purple,

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but then check this out and find linen,

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which I read is a Greek word that comes from a Hebrew word

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from a Hebrew word for this specific cotton

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that came from Egypt that people would use

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to make their underpants.

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Oh.

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So he's literally like in a joking way,

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saying like, outwardly, this guy wants to show

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how awesome he is and like boast,

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but also inwardly, he's like living

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an extreme, extreme comfort.

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And he's wearing the best underpants.

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Oh, which I just think is hilarious.

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I think that's just hilarious.

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Jesus is hilarious.

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Okay, so we've got a guy who's like really, really,

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really well off.

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Yeah.

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Okay.

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And he's next to him, she was sleep every day.

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Oh, yeah.

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I wanted to touch on that.

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Okay, okay.

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Because we were speaking before and you were saying how

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like every day that means that surely you would have been

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eating on the Sabbath and not practicing the Sabbath.

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I don't know if you did you want to hear that later?

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Yeah, I mean, no, let's, let's talk about that.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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It's a good point to bring up now.

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Just maybe to bring that up so we can come back to it later.

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Right, this guy doesn't observe the Sabbath,

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which means, which means what?

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Which means that he's not listening to the word of God.

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He's not following the way of the two's.

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Yeah, there's a little hint.

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Yeah, there's a little hint

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that he's not about the whole God's.

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Yeah, he's not into it.

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There's a little hint earlier.

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Okay, is he, read us the next verse.

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At his gate was later bigger named Lazarus,

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covered in sores.

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Ooh.

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So I said that a bit too jollated, no, covered in sores.

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Yeah, this guy's, in a way, I feel like you could say

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this is, these are two completely opposite characters

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so far.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Okay, hey, I know you Zoe had something to say

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about the fact that this guy is named.

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I think this is the only parable.

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That was my first question, wasn't it?

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Yeah, yeah, you actually messaged me about this like midweek.

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What was your question?

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Why have they named the people in it?

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Yeah, great question.

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Why I think it was, well, I read a commentary.

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I think, I think it's not the top of my head.

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That's what we said.

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That Lazarus means God is my help

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and how like in this life where he was the poor man

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that is at this rich man's gate laid there, covered in sores,

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that name would have felt like a mockery.

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Like people would have been like, oh, God is your help.

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Whereas your God, then he's not helping you.

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Like, yeah, you're poor and you have, anyways, it would have been a mockery.

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And I'm sorry, I was stuttering, but we see later on in the parable

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when he goes to Hades and is with Abraham,

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that his name has been fulfilled.

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That God was his help and God has brought him through.

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Right.

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Right, so yeah, so but I guess at this, at this stage,

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like you're saying, like it's, it's almost ironic at this kind of story.

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It's like your middle name is joy.

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Imagine if you were the most miserable person ever.

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It'd be like how ironic is it that she's called joy?

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It was risky to name me that.

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Yeah, yeah, you don't know, yeah, but that's a super cool point

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of his name actually carries a lot of meaning in this.

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Yeah, yeah, and it's funny that it's, it's not just ironic,

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but it also could be seen as prophetic,

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because it's like Lazarus is in a position where he needed God's help

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on the like on that side of eternity.

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And so actually I think that with prophecies,

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sometimes it speaks into what we need, not what we already have.

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And I think that is really like pulled out and highlighted in this story

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where we then see Lazarus be raised up into like eternity

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and of comfort with, sorry, not eternity of comfort.

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I don't know what's going on.

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Sorry, but where he's like, where we see Lazarus lifted up

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from his place of like, I wanted to say scholar,

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but I feel like that's not a good word.

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He's lifted up from his place of poverty into heaven

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where now he's beside Abraham and is being comforted

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and where God does help him.

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Yeah, I just want to touch on that.

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Super real, super real.

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Okay, so you're right.

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So we've got, we've got a character who's a rich man,

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he's feasting constantly and outside of his house

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at his gate is poor man Lazarus.

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Is he, what does the next verse say, verse 21?

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And Lazarus is longing to eat what fell from the rich man's table

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even the dogs came and licked his sauce.

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That is so sad that the dogs are coming and licking his sauce

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because I read in the commentary that they would have been

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like cute, like dogs, they would have been like wild dogs

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that were looking for food.

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Yeah. And Lazarus was what they found.

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Like that's just, it's just showing how poor and in need

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and how ill Lazarus is because he can't even shoo away

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these wild dogs that are coming to like feast from him.

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I can't lie, I've got a different perspective on that.

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Have you finished what you're saying?

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Okay, okay, I'm excited.

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Yeah, yeah, okay.

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But then also I just wanted to touch on the first half of this.

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Mine's also ESV, so it says,

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who desired to be fed with what fell from the rich man's table?

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I read that when rich people would eat back in the day,

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they would use bread as their napkins

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to wipe their hands from the other food

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that they would have eaten

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and then that would get tossed out or thrown aside.

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So that would have been the food that would have fallen

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from the rich man's table, which is like,

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it just highlights the complete disparity in their lifestyles

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in like how the rich man's trash and rubbish

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is Lazarus' help and food and sustenance.

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But even that, he's like struggling to get.

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Yeah, but hit on the point about this.

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Okay, here's what I was gonna say.

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So I read, shout out Kenneth Bailey, what a goat.

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He said that there's a word,

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the, if you notice, mine says like more over

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even the dogs came and linked his source.

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And he said that for a thousand years,

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the Arabic translations of the Bible,

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which is closest to Arabic,

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which is what Jesus spoke, the language that he spoke,

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they don't translate that as a word that denotes

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continuation but contrast.

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And so it's actually that the rich man

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was not looking out for him yet the dogs did.

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And this is the crazy fact, okay?

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I'm gonna have to look at my notes for this.

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It says that a man in in 1994,

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his name was Lawrence Stager.

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He was a Harvard professor and an archeologist

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and where ancient Ash Kalan was found,

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he uncovered the graves of 1300 dead dogs.

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And what he thinks is that in the,

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in like the years leading up to when Jesus

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would have been around and telling this story,

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that there was a healing cult that would actually,

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there would be people who owned dogs

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and the dogs would lick the wounds of those

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who had them in needed healing.

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I don't know if you've ever heard the wives tale.

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Wives tale is that right?

363
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There's like the wives tale that dogs lick wounds

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to heal them.

365
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Oh yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And so I guess the point that he's trying to make is

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that even though no one looked out for him,

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God sent these dogs to lick and soothe his wounds.

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And there's like something prophetic in that,

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there's like loads of holy people in the Bible

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who are sustained by animals.

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So you've got like Elijah and the Ravens bring him food

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or like even Jesus in Mark 1, verse 13,

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when he's fasting in a desert.

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He says he was with the wild beasts of the land.

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And so like there's something about like,

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even now there's a subtle foreshadowing

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that God is looking out for him,

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which I thought was like a crazy perspective.

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That is awesome.

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That literally, well, I'm just thinking right now

382
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and it's like what the world will perceive as like dirty

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and disgusting.

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God is actually like in this case has sent it for good.

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And it's like actually we, it can be so hard sometimes

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to understand what God's doing when he's working

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in his own ways.

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But actually he's sending these dogs to help Lazarus.

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And like heal him.

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That is so, it's pretty cool kind.

391
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Yeah, I guess like actually now, now reading it

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doesn't explicitly say that God sent the dogs.

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So maybe it's even just like a comment on his character

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that he was so gentle and calm and spirit

395
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that these dogs were like, just one to hang out with him.

396
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Just wanted to look out for him a little bit.

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You know what I mean?

398
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Dogs are like compassion.

399
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They got, dude, my dog's got personalities.

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You know what I mean?

401
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I like dogs.

402
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I love dogs.

403
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I love dogs too.

404
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I love dogs.

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Think I'm over a cat person, personally.

406
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Red flag, hate it on.

407
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We love them.

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We love them.

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Okay.

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That wasn't planned.

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Okay, let's read verse 22.

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We've got a little bit of a setting.

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You're a dove.

414
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Okay.

415
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Hey, sorry about that.

416
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It's okay.

417
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You were loved as a cat person.

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You were loved.

419
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It's huge.

420
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You know what?

421
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Actually, it's fine.

422
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Okay.

423
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Verse 22.

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The time came when the beggar died

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and the angel was carried him to Abraham's side.

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The rich man also died and buried.

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Anything to say on this verse?

428
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They died.

429
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They died.

430
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Yeah.

431
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I feel like this is just kind of like events happening.

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What does Abraham's side mean?

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Any thoughts?

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Abraham's side is essentially like he's using the,

435
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we talked about like the parable of the wedding feast.

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At a feast, the person of honor,

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who was the guest of honor,

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would sit at the host's side.

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So essentially saying like,

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this is the contrast of now Lazarus is at the feast

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and sitting in the place of honor

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and the rich man is in the opposite place.

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And I guess Abraham is like,

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we're at the beginning of the Bible

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and says, talking about,

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is it the father of such a father?

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Yeah.

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This is pretty awesome.

449
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For a Jewish reader, it's like,

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sick.

451
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Yeah.

452
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I want to be doing that.

453
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Okay.

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Moving quickly on to verse.

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Speaking about the rich man,

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in Hades, where he was in torment,

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he looked up and saw Abraham far away

458
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with Lazarus by his side.

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Keep going.

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So he called to him,

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father Abraham,

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have pitted your me and sent Lazarus

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to dip the tip of his finger in water

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and call my tongue,

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because I'm an agony in this fire.

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Ooh.

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This guy's dropping requests, bro.

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Yeah.

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He's dropping requests.

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So he's not by Abraham's side.

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He's not by Abraham's side.

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So quick note.

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In 23 years says, in Hades,

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and this is where Zach mentioned before

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how we're not going to go into

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all of afterlife stuff and all that,

477
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because actually that isn't the point

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of what this is about.

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But it's speaking about,

480
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it's when it says Hades is basically

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referring to the place of the dead

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and in like Jewish times,

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or traditions,

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they imagined afterlife is having like

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a good side and a bad side

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of like the righteous or the unrighteous.

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So here Abraham's side represents

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like the righteous,

489
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and then the rich man is not

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in the righteous side,

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because he's not by Abraham.

492
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Right.

493
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He's in the Baptist.

494
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Yeah.

495
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Yeah.

496
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Yeah.

497
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Thank you.

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I find it really interesting,

499
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because if you notice,

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in verse 24,

501
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which you just read,

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he recognizes Lazarus by Abraham's side

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and names him,

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like he knew Lazarus' name.

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So not only was he,

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was he almost like unaware

507
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of the fact that Lazarus was at his gate,

508
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this actually tells us he knew Lazarus

509
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and still ignored him,

510
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which is kind of crazy

511
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that he's now dropping requests for him.

512
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Yeah.

513
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And still asking Lazarus to do something

514
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as if like the rich man still

515
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superior to him.

516
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Yeah, crazy.

517
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So shows what's going on inside that brain.

518
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Yeah.

519
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Not what, not good.

520
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Not good.

521
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Anything else to say on that verse?

522
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Yeah.

523
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Actually, one thing I would actually

524
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would like to say is that in this parable,

525
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we are talking about like stewardship

526
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and all that stuff.

527
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But I also wanted to also clarify that like,

528
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Lazarus isn't in the good side

529
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because he was poor and the rich man

530
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in the bad side because he was rich.

531
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Like, actually,

532
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if we're thinking it in that way,

533
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that Lazarus would have had a faith in God

534
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and known God,

535
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where the rich man, as he spoke about,

536
00:20:18.400 --> 00:20:19.400
like, didn't do the Sabbath

537
00:20:19.400 --> 00:20:22.400
or didn't actually listen to the word of God

538
00:20:22.400 --> 00:20:24.400
that is the separation that is causes this,

539
00:20:24.400 --> 00:20:27.400
not necessarily like wealth.

540
00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:29.400
So there's many things in this parable

541
00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:30.400
that we can touch on.

542
00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:31.400
Yeah.

543
00:20:31.400 --> 00:20:32.400
And we're definitely going to be speaking

544
00:20:32.400 --> 00:20:34.400
about like stewardship and all that stuff.

545
00:20:34.400 --> 00:20:35.400
But I thought, I'll just throw that in.

546
00:20:35.400 --> 00:20:37.400
That's really helpful.

547
00:20:37.400 --> 00:20:38.400
I feel like that runs on perfectly

548
00:20:38.400 --> 00:20:39.400
into the next verse.

549
00:20:39.400 --> 00:20:40.400
It was the next verse.

550
00:20:40.400 --> 00:20:41.400
It was the next verse.

551
00:20:41.400 --> 00:20:42.400
Verse 25.

552
00:20:42.400 --> 00:20:43.400
But Abraham replied,

553
00:20:43.400 --> 00:20:44.400
son, remember that in your lifetime,

554
00:20:44.400 --> 00:20:45.400
you received your good things,

555
00:20:45.400 --> 00:20:47.400
well, Lazarus received bad things,

556
00:20:47.400 --> 00:20:49.400
but now he is comforted here

557
00:20:49.400 --> 00:20:51.400
and you are an agony.

558
00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:52.400
Yeah.

559
00:20:52.400 --> 00:20:53.400
And I think here,

560
00:20:53.400 --> 00:20:55.400
Abraham's not trying to explain

561
00:20:55.400 --> 00:20:58.400
necessarily why things are happening,

562
00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:00.400
but he's just reminding the rich man

563
00:21:00.400 --> 00:21:02.400
what exactly is happening.

564
00:21:02.400 --> 00:21:05.400
He's trying to make the details

565
00:21:05.400 --> 00:21:08.400
and the events like clear to him,

566
00:21:08.400 --> 00:21:11.400
because I think it's really interesting that he,

567
00:21:11.400 --> 00:21:14.400
there's no point where the rich man repents.

568
00:21:14.400 --> 00:21:16.400
There's no point where he admits

569
00:21:16.400 --> 00:21:18.400
that he's done something wrong.

570
00:21:18.400 --> 00:21:20.400
Even later, we'll see.

571
00:21:20.400 --> 00:21:22.400
Like he tries to send people

572
00:21:22.400 --> 00:21:25.400
to correct those who are still living in that,

573
00:21:25.400 --> 00:21:28.400
but he hasn't changed up himself.

574
00:21:28.400 --> 00:21:30.400
Like he's still living in this.

575
00:21:30.400 --> 00:21:33.400
And I think this also makes it really clear

576
00:21:33.400 --> 00:21:35.400
that how this connects to the teaching

577
00:21:35.400 --> 00:21:37.400
that you cannot serve to masters.

578
00:21:37.400 --> 00:21:38.400
Yeah.

579
00:21:38.400 --> 00:21:39.400
Because exactly like what you're saying,

580
00:21:39.400 --> 00:21:42.400
is he is that it's not about the fact

581
00:21:42.400 --> 00:21:43.400
that he had possessions

582
00:21:43.400 --> 00:21:45.400
but that he was serving his possessions.

583
00:21:45.400 --> 00:21:46.400
Yeah.

584
00:21:46.400 --> 00:21:49.400
And that they replaced the role of God in his life.

585
00:21:49.400 --> 00:21:52.400
So you can definitely have things in this life.

586
00:21:52.400 --> 00:21:54.400
But as long as you're not making them

587
00:21:54.400 --> 00:21:55.400
the God of your life,

588
00:21:55.400 --> 00:21:58.400
actually you can still have faith in Jesus.

589
00:21:58.400 --> 00:22:00.400
Which I think is really interesting.

590
00:22:00.400 --> 00:22:01.400
Should we keep going?

591
00:22:01.400 --> 00:22:02.400
Yeah.

592
00:22:02.400 --> 00:22:04.400
Okay, so just to make sure we're continuing

593
00:22:04.400 --> 00:22:05.400
with the story here,

594
00:22:05.400 --> 00:22:06.400
rich man, poor man,

595
00:22:06.400 --> 00:22:08.400
rich man neglects the poor man.

596
00:22:08.400 --> 00:22:11.400
They die, they reverse roles,

597
00:22:11.400 --> 00:22:15.400
and now the rich man is like begging Abraham

598
00:22:15.400 --> 00:22:18.400
to send Lazarus the poor man to help him.

599
00:22:18.400 --> 00:22:20.400
Crazy reversal.

600
00:22:20.400 --> 00:22:22.400
And now we're in verse 26 now.

601
00:22:22.400 --> 00:22:23.400
Yeah.

602
00:22:23.400 --> 00:22:25.400
So Abraham's continuing to speak and says,

603
00:22:25.400 --> 00:22:27.400
and besides all this,

604
00:22:27.400 --> 00:22:28.400
between us and you,

605
00:22:28.400 --> 00:22:30.400
a great chasm has been set in place

606
00:22:30.400 --> 00:22:32.400
so that those who want to go from here

607
00:22:32.400 --> 00:22:36.400
to you cannot nor can anyone cross over

608
00:22:36.400 --> 00:22:38.400
from there to us.

609
00:22:38.400 --> 00:22:40.400
Yeah, there's time.

610
00:22:40.400 --> 00:22:43.400
Yeah, there's time to accept the word of God

611
00:22:43.400 --> 00:22:45.400
and our faith in God.

612
00:22:45.400 --> 00:22:47.400
And he just didn't, he chose not to.

613
00:22:47.400 --> 00:22:51.400
Until then he sees that Lazarus could serve him

614
00:22:51.400 --> 00:22:53.400
and then he wants the good things.

615
00:22:53.400 --> 00:22:55.400
Then he wants the good things from faith,

616
00:22:55.400 --> 00:22:57.400
which is to be at Abraham's side,

617
00:22:57.400 --> 00:22:59.400
but only because it will benefit him.

618
00:22:59.400 --> 00:23:02.400
Or well, this is how I'm reading it anyway.

619
00:23:02.400 --> 00:23:04.400
But yeah, I don't know.

620
00:23:04.400 --> 00:23:06.400
It sounds a bit savage, doesn't it?

621
00:23:06.400 --> 00:23:09.400
It's like no one can cross from there to us,

622
00:23:09.400 --> 00:23:11.400
but actually realistically,

623
00:23:12.400 --> 00:23:14.400
during the time of this rich man's life,

624
00:23:14.400 --> 00:23:16.400
he would have had all the opportunity

625
00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:19.400
to go and hear the word of God being preached at the temple.

626
00:23:19.400 --> 00:23:21.400
He would have, like, he's rich.

627
00:23:21.400 --> 00:23:24.400
I don't know, I guess, afforded to learn how to write or read

628
00:23:24.400 --> 00:23:26.400
or speak with these Pharisees

629
00:23:26.400 --> 00:23:29.400
and have great conversations around the Torah

630
00:23:29.400 --> 00:23:33.400
and which is like the Old Testament writings.

631
00:23:33.400 --> 00:23:35.400
He had the opportunity, but he passed it up

632
00:23:35.400 --> 00:23:37.400
because he wanted to live his own life.

633
00:23:37.400 --> 00:23:39.400
So it does sound a bit savage,

634
00:23:39.400 --> 00:23:41.400
but I think it's important to remember that.

635
00:23:41.400 --> 00:23:44.400
The rich man did very much make these own decisions

636
00:23:44.400 --> 00:23:45.400
and, like, quite a lot of his choices.

637
00:23:45.400 --> 00:23:47.400
Yeah, and also what you were just saying then,

638
00:23:47.400 --> 00:23:49.400
like, he also didn't even repent

639
00:23:49.400 --> 00:23:52.400
when he got to this, like, Hades place.

640
00:23:52.400 --> 00:23:54.400
He still was fixed in his ways

641
00:23:54.400 --> 00:23:56.400
and was like, actually, no, you should,

642
00:23:56.400 --> 00:23:58.400
Lazarus, you should serve me.

643
00:23:58.400 --> 00:24:02.400
So yeah, well, that one thought.

644
00:24:02.400 --> 00:24:06.400
Can you, you were telling me, like, briefly beforehand

645
00:24:07.400 --> 00:24:11.400
about how this sort of reflects the gospel in a way?

646
00:24:11.400 --> 00:24:12.400
Yes.

647
00:24:12.400 --> 00:24:14.400
Can you just touch on that and then we'll come back to it later?

648
00:24:14.400 --> 00:24:15.400
Yeah. Yeah.

649
00:24:15.400 --> 00:24:16.400
Because I thought that was so far.

650
00:24:16.400 --> 00:24:19.400
Okay, well, so when I was reading this whole parable,

651
00:24:19.400 --> 00:24:22.400
I was like, oh, in a way, to me,

652
00:24:22.400 --> 00:24:25.400
this seems like the rich man

653
00:24:25.400 --> 00:24:28.400
are just people that are living their lives

654
00:24:28.400 --> 00:24:30.400
going about that every day

655
00:24:30.400 --> 00:24:35.400
and then Lazarus represents the gospel of Jesus Christ.

656
00:24:35.400 --> 00:24:37.400
Okay, stay with me.

657
00:24:37.400 --> 00:24:40.400
And how Lazarus is at the gate,

658
00:24:40.400 --> 00:24:42.400
or at the door of this rich man,

659
00:24:42.400 --> 00:24:45.400
so of this person who is living their life.

660
00:24:45.400 --> 00:24:48.400
But instead, the rich man,

661
00:24:48.400 --> 00:24:51.400
these people decide to continue living their lives,

662
00:24:51.400 --> 00:24:54.400
though they're aware that the gospel exists.

663
00:24:54.400 --> 00:24:57.400
And it's like, I assume the rich man would have left his house,

664
00:24:57.400 --> 00:25:00.400
like, and seen Lazarus at his gate once or twice.

665
00:25:00.400 --> 00:25:03.400
So it's like how today a lot of people know

666
00:25:03.400 --> 00:25:04.400
about the gospel.

667
00:25:04.400 --> 00:25:05.400
They know who Jesus is.

668
00:25:05.400 --> 00:25:10.400
But they might choose to keep him outside of the house

669
00:25:10.400 --> 00:25:12.400
because, like, ignore it,

670
00:25:12.400 --> 00:25:14.400
neglect the gospel, ignore the gospel

671
00:25:14.400 --> 00:25:16.400
because they don't think that it will serve them

672
00:25:16.400 --> 00:25:18.400
because they want to carry on living their lives

673
00:25:18.400 --> 00:25:21.400
in a way that they think benefits them.

674
00:25:21.400 --> 00:25:23.400
Yeah, and so I don't know.

675
00:25:23.400 --> 00:25:26.400
I just thought I was really interesting how the gospel

676
00:25:26.400 --> 00:25:29.400
is presented here in a way like,

677
00:25:29.400 --> 00:25:31.400
we actually do have the chance,

678
00:25:31.400 --> 00:25:33.400
opportunity to open the door any time,

679
00:25:33.400 --> 00:25:34.400
and to welcome it in.

680
00:25:34.400 --> 00:25:38.400
But like, we do have to take that step

681
00:25:38.400 --> 00:25:40.400
and not just walk past it and be like,

682
00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:42.400
oh, I'll do that later.

683
00:25:42.400 --> 00:25:43.400
I'll do that later.

684
00:25:43.400 --> 00:25:45.400
Otherwise, a great chasm is created.

685
00:25:45.400 --> 00:25:46.400
It's fixed.

686
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:47.400
But I don't know if that's too harsh,

687
00:25:47.400 --> 00:25:50.400
but that was just one of my interpretations of what I was reading here.

688
00:25:50.400 --> 00:25:52.400
And it makes sense with the rest of the parable

689
00:25:52.400 --> 00:25:56.400
that we're going to read for that to be symbolic of,

690
00:25:56.400 --> 00:25:59.400
like, yeah, that theme of faith is even that you wrote up.

691
00:25:59.400 --> 00:26:03.400
Okay, we're coming in to land here at the end of the parable.

692
00:26:03.400 --> 00:26:05.400
Do you want to read verse 27 for us?

693
00:26:05.400 --> 00:26:06.400
Yep.

694
00:26:06.400 --> 00:26:07.400
So the rich man answered,

695
00:26:07.400 --> 00:26:10.400
then I beg you, he's become the beggar, guys.

696
00:26:10.400 --> 00:26:13.400
Then I beg you, Father, send Lazarus to my family

697
00:26:13.400 --> 00:26:16.400
but I have five brothers, let him warn them

698
00:26:16.400 --> 00:26:20.400
so that they will not also come to this place of torment.

699
00:26:20.400 --> 00:26:23.400
Yeah, so this, I can't lie.

700
00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:26.400
And when I read this, I'm like, oh, dang,

701
00:26:26.400 --> 00:26:27.400
it's kind of sweet.

702
00:26:27.400 --> 00:26:30.400
Like he's now he's looking out for his homies.

703
00:26:30.400 --> 00:26:32.400
But again, like I said before,

704
00:26:32.400 --> 00:26:37.400
like what makes him think that him now seeing the truth of his situation

705
00:26:37.400 --> 00:26:40.400
has not led him to repentance or faith.

706
00:26:40.400 --> 00:26:41.400
Yeah.

707
00:26:41.400 --> 00:26:44.400
And he thinks that other people seeing the exact same thing that he's seeing

708
00:26:44.400 --> 00:26:48.400
right now would make them change their mind.

709
00:26:48.400 --> 00:26:50.400
I think he's a bit crazy.

710
00:26:50.400 --> 00:26:52.400
So it's a little bit too late from doing good, like he's dead now.

711
00:26:52.400 --> 00:26:54.400
Like he, like the truth again,

712
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:57.400
like he could have access to it whilst he was alive,

713
00:26:57.400 --> 00:26:58.400
but he chose another way.

714
00:26:58.400 --> 00:27:00.400
And it's like, oh, now he's seen the truth.

715
00:27:00.400 --> 00:27:02.400
He's like, oh, I know what I should have done.

716
00:27:02.400 --> 00:27:04.400
But as I was a bit late now, mate in it.

717
00:27:04.400 --> 00:27:05.400
Yeah, a little bit.

718
00:27:05.400 --> 00:27:06.400
Yeah.

719
00:27:06.400 --> 00:27:07.400
A bit lever.

720
00:27:07.400 --> 00:27:08.400
Yeah.

721
00:27:08.400 --> 00:27:10.400
Okay, should we keep going?

722
00:27:10.400 --> 00:27:11.400
Yeah, let's keep going.

723
00:27:11.400 --> 00:27:13.400
I feel like, I feel like this end bit is,

724
00:27:13.400 --> 00:27:15.400
we almost have to do it like all at the same time.

725
00:27:15.400 --> 00:27:16.400
Yeah, we have to.

726
00:27:16.400 --> 00:27:17.400
Yeah.

727
00:27:17.400 --> 00:27:18.400
Yeah, I think read to the end.

728
00:27:18.400 --> 00:27:22.400
Abraham replied, they have Moses and the prophets let them listen to them.

729
00:27:22.400 --> 00:27:26.400
No father Abraham, he said, but if someone from the dead goes to them,

730
00:27:26.400 --> 00:27:27.400
they will repent.

731
00:27:27.400 --> 00:27:30.400
And he said to him, if they do not listen to Moses and the prophets,

732
00:27:30.400 --> 00:27:34.400
they will not be convinced, even if someone arises from the dead.

733
00:27:34.400 --> 00:27:37.400
You might hit the rock.

734
00:27:37.400 --> 00:27:41.400
There's so much in this last day, like so much.

735
00:27:41.400 --> 00:27:45.400
I think it's funny going back to how they weren't in the synagogues.

736
00:27:45.400 --> 00:27:47.400
Like his brothers probably weren't in the synagogues.

737
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:51.400
So when Abraham says they have them to listen to,

738
00:27:51.400 --> 00:27:53.400
he's probably like, rats.

739
00:27:53.400 --> 00:27:55.400
Like that's why he says something again.

740
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.400
No, but if someone goes to them from the dead,

741
00:27:58.400 --> 00:28:00.400
because they weren't listening to the...

742
00:28:00.400 --> 00:28:02.400
Yeah, they weren't taking it seriously.

743
00:28:02.400 --> 00:28:03.400
They weren't taking it seriously.

744
00:28:03.400 --> 00:28:04.400
Like they didn't care.

745
00:28:04.400 --> 00:28:05.400
No.

746
00:28:05.400 --> 00:28:06.400
They needed a wake-up call.

747
00:28:06.400 --> 00:28:07.400
They needed one.

748
00:28:07.400 --> 00:28:08.400
And Moses and the prophets here is the Bible.

749
00:28:08.400 --> 00:28:10.400
By the way, guys, just in case we need to say that.

750
00:28:10.400 --> 00:28:11.400
Or the Old Testament.

751
00:28:11.400 --> 00:28:12.400
By the Word of God.

752
00:28:12.400 --> 00:28:13.400
Yeah.

753
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.400
It's the Word of God.

754
00:28:14.400 --> 00:28:15.400
It's like, what God.

755
00:28:15.400 --> 00:28:16.400
Yeah.

756
00:28:16.400 --> 00:28:17.400
Yeah.

757
00:28:17.400 --> 00:28:18.400
I just wanted to drop that little definition in there.

758
00:28:18.400 --> 00:28:21.400
Like you were saying something so, so...

759
00:28:21.400 --> 00:28:22.400
Okay, this was crazy.

760
00:28:22.400 --> 00:28:23.400
Good.

761
00:28:23.400 --> 00:28:28.400
So I was reading someone connected this to a passage

762
00:28:28.400 --> 00:28:30.400
in John chapter 11,

763
00:28:30.400 --> 00:28:34.400
where different Lazarus, but same name.

764
00:28:34.400 --> 00:28:35.400
Same name.

765
00:28:35.400 --> 00:28:37.400
He was raised from the dead, right?

766
00:28:37.400 --> 00:28:39.400
And if you consider the fact that,

767
00:28:39.400 --> 00:28:41.400
what I'm about to tell you happened before this parable,

768
00:28:41.400 --> 00:28:46.400
it's actually like a crazy bar from Jesus towards the Pharisees.

769
00:28:46.400 --> 00:28:50.400
So in John 11, I think it's like verse 45 to 50,

770
00:28:50.400 --> 00:28:53.400
is this story where Jesus brings back to life,

771
00:28:53.400 --> 00:28:55.400
his friend Lazarus.

772
00:28:55.400 --> 00:28:58.400
And there's some Pharisees on the scene who see this happen.

773
00:28:58.400 --> 00:29:02.400
And they go and tell the high priest who's like their boss.

774
00:29:02.400 --> 00:29:04.400
And the high priest,

775
00:29:04.400 --> 00:29:08.400
rather than hearing that this has actually happened,

776
00:29:08.400 --> 00:29:11.400
that Lazarus has been brought back from the dead,

777
00:29:11.400 --> 00:29:15.400
really to help people in their faith,

778
00:29:15.400 --> 00:29:17.400
rather than coming to faith,

779
00:29:17.400 --> 00:29:20.400
he says we have to figure out a way to kill this guy.

780
00:29:20.400 --> 00:29:22.400
We have to figure out a way to persecute him.

781
00:29:22.400 --> 00:29:24.400
I hate this guy.

782
00:29:24.400 --> 00:29:28.400
So draw that back to Jesus' name's Lazarus in this story.

783
00:29:28.400 --> 00:29:32.400
And the rich man who literally, earlier in the chapter,

784
00:29:32.400 --> 00:29:35.400
were talking about the Pharisees who were lovers of money.

785
00:29:35.400 --> 00:29:38.400
That's Luke 16, verse 14.

786
00:29:38.400 --> 00:29:40.400
So they're kind of like the rich man in this story.

787
00:29:40.400 --> 00:29:41.400
Hot topic.

788
00:29:41.400 --> 00:29:42.400
Hot topic.

789
00:29:42.400 --> 00:29:47.400
He says if you would only send Lazarus back from the dead,

790
00:29:47.400 --> 00:29:51.400
then they would understand.

791
00:29:51.400 --> 00:29:53.400
Jesus did send Lazarus back from the dead,

792
00:29:53.400 --> 00:29:57.400
and they still didn't respond.

793
00:29:57.400 --> 00:29:59.400
Listen.

794
00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:04.400
If you are waiting for a miraculous sign,

795
00:30:04.400 --> 00:30:08.400
maybe you need to put your faith in God first.

796
00:30:08.400 --> 00:30:10.400
I'm not saying that's for everyone,

797
00:30:10.400 --> 00:30:12.400
but maybe that's the case.

798
00:30:12.400 --> 00:30:15.400
I think it's something that can be very applicable for us,

799
00:30:15.400 --> 00:30:18.400
because I think so often we want to see signs and wonders,

800
00:30:18.400 --> 00:30:21.400
or like that's what we think will convince us to finally believe

801
00:30:21.400 --> 00:30:23.400
or finally repent or live in that way.

802
00:30:23.400 --> 00:30:26.400
Or actually, it's like this is, when I read it,

803
00:30:26.400 --> 00:30:28.400
I was like, as Jesus saying, actually,

804
00:30:28.400 --> 00:30:31.400
you don't need sign of wonders, you just need the word of God.

805
00:30:31.400 --> 00:30:34.400
And I think I know quite a lot of people that are like,

806
00:30:34.400 --> 00:30:36.400
oh, if you just could be true,

807
00:30:36.400 --> 00:30:39.400
maybe I believe, but I just want to see a miracle,

808
00:30:39.400 --> 00:30:41.400
but actually most of the time,

809
00:30:41.400 --> 00:30:43.400
even from the stories I've heard,

810
00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:46.400
that isn't what makes people turn and repent.

811
00:30:46.400 --> 00:30:48.400
It is like the word of God,

812
00:30:48.400 --> 00:30:50.400
it is like encounter with Him through that,

813
00:30:50.400 --> 00:30:52.400
and the living, you know,

814
00:30:52.400 --> 00:30:54.400
Jesus speaking, all that stuff.

815
00:30:54.400 --> 00:30:57.400
But I think it's really interesting that this is spoken about here as well.

816
00:30:57.400 --> 00:31:00.400
And that's quite a big sign and wonder, some could argue.

817
00:31:00.400 --> 00:31:02.400
That's a huge sign and wonder.

818
00:31:02.400 --> 00:31:05.400
And it also follows along on another theme,

819
00:31:05.400 --> 00:31:07.400
who else was raised from the dead?

820
00:31:07.400 --> 00:31:08.400
Yeah, oh my gosh.

821
00:31:08.400 --> 00:31:09.400
When I first read it.

822
00:31:09.400 --> 00:31:10.400
Talk to us.

823
00:31:10.400 --> 00:31:11.400
Oh my gosh.

824
00:31:11.400 --> 00:31:13.400
When I first read it, I was like,

825
00:31:13.400 --> 00:31:16.400
damn, what an absolute great finishing line.

826
00:31:16.400 --> 00:31:19.400
Because obviously it's like, Jesus, sorry,

827
00:31:19.400 --> 00:31:22.400
didn't say that, but Jesus rose from the dead.

828
00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:24.400
It's like, they could not even be convinced

829
00:31:24.400 --> 00:31:26.400
even if someone rises from the dead.

830
00:31:26.400 --> 00:31:28.400
And it's like, well, that is also true.

831
00:31:28.400 --> 00:31:29.400
Like Jesus rose from the dead.

832
00:31:29.400 --> 00:31:31.400
And there's still some people that are not convinced

833
00:31:31.400 --> 00:31:33.400
and all that stuff.

834
00:31:33.400 --> 00:31:36.400
So there's so many layers like what the heck?

835
00:31:36.400 --> 00:31:37.400
It's crazy.

836
00:31:37.400 --> 00:31:38.400
Not really that.

837
00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:39.400
They were the ones to kill him.

838
00:31:39.400 --> 00:31:40.400
Yeah.

839
00:31:40.400 --> 00:31:41.400
What are you talking about?

840
00:31:41.400 --> 00:31:42.400
Yeah.

841
00:31:42.400 --> 00:31:44.400
And he's still rose from the dead after that.

842
00:31:44.400 --> 00:31:46.400
And I was like, remember what I said?

843
00:31:46.400 --> 00:31:47.400
You're still not convinced me.

844
00:31:47.400 --> 00:31:48.400
Idiots.

845
00:31:48.400 --> 00:31:49.400
I'm not going to kill you.

846
00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:50.400
No said idiot.

847
00:31:50.400 --> 00:31:54.400
Yeah, crazy.

848
00:31:54.400 --> 00:31:55.400
Wow.

849
00:31:55.400 --> 00:31:56.400
So much to pull out from this.

850
00:31:56.400 --> 00:31:59.400
I feel like we should do like a summary of takeaways.

851
00:31:59.400 --> 00:32:00.400
Yeah.

852
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:01.400
Okay.

853
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:02.400
From this parable to close this off here.

854
00:32:02.400 --> 00:32:03.400
Yeah.

855
00:32:03.400 --> 00:32:04.400
Okay, sounds good.

856
00:32:04.400 --> 00:32:07.400
So I guess let's.

857
00:32:07.400 --> 00:32:08.400
Okay.

858
00:32:08.400 --> 00:32:11.400
We're each going to think of one point to draw out.

859
00:32:11.400 --> 00:32:12.400
Okay.

860
00:32:12.400 --> 00:32:13.400
Think.

861
00:32:13.400 --> 00:32:14.400
Okay.

862
00:32:14.400 --> 00:32:16.400
Okay.

863
00:32:16.400 --> 00:32:21.400
I think my thing to draw out from this is about stewardship.

864
00:32:21.400 --> 00:32:23.400
Okay.

865
00:32:23.400 --> 00:32:26.400
God gives us each different things in this life.

866
00:32:26.400 --> 00:32:29.400
And I don't think this parable is meant to explain why.

867
00:32:29.400 --> 00:32:31.400
Why we have it.

868
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:33.400
But how we're meant to use it.

869
00:32:33.400 --> 00:32:39.400
And actually faith produces in us a heart posture of love towards others.

870
00:32:39.400 --> 00:32:44.400
Actually love joy, peace, patience, kindness, goodness, faithfulness, gentleness and self-control.

871
00:32:44.400 --> 00:32:46.400
Well done, Zach.

872
00:32:46.400 --> 00:32:47.400
Thank you.

873
00:32:47.400 --> 00:32:54.400
And I think that a sign of a heart posture of faith is how you steward or in other words,

874
00:32:54.400 --> 00:32:57.400
how you use what God has given you.

875
00:32:57.400 --> 00:33:05.400
And interestingly, even when Lazarus is given the opportunity to be angry towards the rich man,

876
00:33:05.400 --> 00:33:06.400
he remains silent.

877
00:33:06.400 --> 00:33:09.400
He doesn't say anything for the rest of the parable.

878
00:33:09.400 --> 00:33:17.400
Even when he's raised up to a position of status, a position of wealth, a position of prominence,

879
00:33:17.400 --> 00:33:19.400
he still doesn't say anything.

880
00:33:19.400 --> 00:33:21.400
And that reveals his heart posture.

881
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:23.400
That he doesn't want to boast.

882
00:33:23.400 --> 00:33:25.400
He doesn't want to raise himself up.

883
00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:28.400
He doesn't want to be little the rich man.

884
00:33:28.400 --> 00:33:33.400
If anything, his faith has produced a character of love, no matter what happens.

885
00:33:33.400 --> 00:33:39.400
So I think my takeaways, let's keep pursuing love and everything that we do.

886
00:33:39.400 --> 00:33:47.400
And looking out for others is a sign for us and for others that we have faith.

887
00:33:47.400 --> 00:33:49.400
That's my takeaway.

888
00:33:49.400 --> 00:33:55.400
I think mine, there's a phrase that often people ring about, which is like the upside down kingdom,

889
00:33:55.400 --> 00:34:01.400
which is basically speaking about how God's kingdom, everything feels a bit upside down, a bit topsturvy.

890
00:34:01.400 --> 00:34:05.400
Because in our world, it's like if you've got money, if you've got wealth, if you've got all of this stuff,

891
00:34:05.400 --> 00:34:06.400
then you're seen as great.

892
00:34:06.400 --> 00:34:11.400
And if you're seen as a beggar and ill and what you're seen is less than.

893
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.400
And Jesus basically flips it all.

894
00:34:13.400 --> 00:34:15.400
And it's like there's nothing about that.

895
00:34:15.400 --> 00:34:18.400
There's actually about being humble.

896
00:34:18.400 --> 00:34:20.400
It's about knowing who God is.

897
00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:21.400
It's about love.

898
00:34:21.400 --> 00:34:25.400
It's about the things that Jesus taught on.

899
00:34:25.400 --> 00:34:29.400
But it really flips, it challenges people or flips in perspective.

900
00:34:29.400 --> 00:34:32.400
And I think we see that really clearly in here, on the earth,

901
00:34:32.400 --> 00:34:35.400
the rich man was very high up and Lazarus was very low down.

902
00:34:35.400 --> 00:34:38.400
And then when they died, it swaps around.

903
00:34:38.400 --> 00:34:41.400
But he was saying Lazarus had the place of honor next to Abraham.

904
00:34:42.400 --> 00:34:46.400
The rich man was really struggling because he didn't know Jesus.

905
00:34:46.400 --> 00:34:52.400
And so I think that's also a challenge of like we need to keep an eternal perspective of like what actually matter?

906
00:34:52.400 --> 00:34:54.400
What is it that Jesus speaks about?

907
00:34:54.400 --> 00:34:56.400
Is it about is our master in the right thing?

908
00:34:56.400 --> 00:34:57.400
Are we are we serving God?

909
00:34:57.400 --> 00:34:58.400
Are we serving money?

910
00:34:58.400 --> 00:35:01.400
Are we serving things and popularity?

911
00:35:01.400 --> 00:35:05.400
Are we being humble and bringing love to people and all that stuff?

912
00:35:05.400 --> 00:35:08.400
So I think that's what stood out to me in this parable.

913
00:35:08.400 --> 00:35:09.400
It's amazing.

914
00:35:09.400 --> 00:35:18.400
Me, I actually think probably the importance of the Word of God.

915
00:35:18.400 --> 00:35:19.400
Yeah.

916
00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:21.400
I mean, that's what it lands on.

917
00:35:21.400 --> 00:35:22.400
Okay.

918
00:35:22.400 --> 00:35:31.400
And I think it can be so easy to like, I don't know, just forget that this is literally the Word of God.

919
00:35:31.400 --> 00:35:33.400
That's so valid.

920
00:35:34.400 --> 00:35:35.400
Like what?

921
00:35:35.400 --> 00:35:45.400
And that God can speak to us through it and we can learn more about who he is through it and then more about who we are and who he wants us to be through it and what.

922
00:35:45.400 --> 00:35:51.400
Like God's love, like everything, the story of like everything is in this book.

923
00:35:51.400 --> 00:35:59.400
I just really reminded of its importance at I mean at the end is like they have Moses and the prophets let them hear them.

924
00:35:59.400 --> 00:36:00.400
Wow.

925
00:36:00.400 --> 00:36:04.400
Let's dive into this book that can save us.

926
00:36:04.400 --> 00:36:05.400
Wow.

927
00:36:05.400 --> 00:36:06.400
Oh, yeah.

928
00:36:06.400 --> 00:36:08.400
No, basically that's just for me.

929
00:36:08.400 --> 00:36:12.400
So maybe just take away of like diving into my Word a little bit more.

930
00:36:12.400 --> 00:36:13.400
Yeah.

931
00:36:13.400 --> 00:36:14.400
Studying it a little bit more.

932
00:36:14.400 --> 00:36:15.400
Oh great.

933
00:36:15.400 --> 00:36:16.400
That's way.

934
00:36:16.400 --> 00:36:17.400
Yeah.

935
00:36:17.400 --> 00:36:24.400
Because as well, even what you're saying is that like all these different things, even about like the dogs and the other thing that Kenneth Bailey brought up.

936
00:36:24.400 --> 00:36:36.400
It's just so there's so much in like the Bible and it can have so many different meanings and go so many different ways and bring so much revelation and clarity.

937
00:36:36.400 --> 00:36:37.400
Yeah.

938
00:36:37.400 --> 00:36:40.400
So I'm just going a bit around now, but very important.

939
00:36:40.400 --> 00:36:41.400
Yeah, I think that's awesome.

940
00:36:41.400 --> 00:36:43.400
Those are three great takeaways.

941
00:36:43.400 --> 00:36:46.400
I feel like that's a great place to end off this Bible study.

942
00:36:46.400 --> 00:36:49.400
Well, guys, thanks so much for joining us.

943
00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:52.400
And we hope you'll join us on the next one.

944
00:36:52.400 --> 00:36:53.400
We've got one more.

945
00:36:53.400 --> 00:36:55.400
What emoji should they drop?

946
00:36:55.400 --> 00:36:56.400
Oh, man.

947
00:36:56.400 --> 00:36:57.400
A dog.

948
00:36:57.400 --> 00:36:58.400
Okay.

949
00:36:58.400 --> 00:37:00.400
Drop a dog emoji.

950
00:37:00.400 --> 00:37:04.400
And hey, if you didn't know, this is actually the third.

951
00:37:04.400 --> 00:37:08.400
I think I mentioned that at the beginning, but this is the third in our parables series.

952
00:37:08.400 --> 00:37:10.400
So there's two previously that we've already done.

953
00:37:10.400 --> 00:37:11.400
Go check them out.

954
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.400
And you can check out the one that's going to come out after this.

955
00:37:14.400 --> 00:37:15.400
We've got one more in the series.

956
00:37:15.400 --> 00:37:17.400
But again, thank you so much for joining us.

957
00:37:17.400 --> 00:37:20.400
We hope you have a blessed day.

958
00:37:20.400 --> 00:37:22.400
And we will see you soon.

959
00:37:22.400 --> 00:37:23.400
Bye for now.
