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Welcome to Syntax!

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Welcome to a brand new episode of the Front End Happy Hour podcast.

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Welcome to this week's JS party.

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Live from ShipShape Studios, this is Whiskey Web and Whatnot,

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with your hosts, Robbie the Wagner and me, Charles William Carpenter III.

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That's right, Charles.

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We drink whiskey and talk about web development.

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I mean, it's all in the name.

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It's not that deep.

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This is WhiskeyWeb and Whatnot.

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Do not adjust your set.

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WhiskeyWeb and Whatnot is brought to you by...

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This episode is brought to you by Warp at Warp.dev.

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Warp is now open source, and Warp is built using Oz publicly for us all to see.

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And it feels like a glimpse of how software is going to be built in the future with agents,

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except that's also now.

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But what's Oz?

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The cloud agent orchestration platform by the Warp crew.

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You got to check it out.

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Warp has also made their cloud integration even better.

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Find Ben Holmes and ask about the RAD Codex integration they just added too.

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You can also publish an agent session from Cloud Codex or open code to the cloud with one click

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and then monitor or steer that agent from your phone, browser, or some other computer.

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It is sick.

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All right, go ahead and close CMEX because Warp tabs are now on the left side.

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They look like projects and each pane is visible within that tab project group.

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I've got four tabs open right now.

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Each tab has anywhere from one to four terminals in it, keeping sessions organized.

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and that visibility into the panes without having the tab open is awesome.

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Warp updated supported models too, adding Kimi K2.6, GLM 5.1, Minimax, and Quen.

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Check out warp at warp.dev or oz at oz.dev.

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Sweet.

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Back to that episode.

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Hey, what's up, everybody?

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Welcome to Whiskey Web and...

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Whatnot.

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With your hosts, Robbie the Wagner and Adam Thomas Argyle, the nerd.

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You are absolutely right.

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we'll get old one of these days it's not there yet yeah how you doing adam oh man good you know

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classic uh i'm more empowered and faster than ever before and more uh anxiety i'm working harder than

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i ever have before so the promise is completely unfulfilled and i'm waiting for alanis morissette

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to sing a song about it hey well you can use gemini to make that song sure can't oh snap that

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would be really funny i had so much fun trolling my friends with that like because i got friends

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that are like playing uh slay the spire during video calls and so i'm like hey jim and i write

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a rap about this fool who thinks he can be in a video call and play slay the spire at the same

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time and it wrote it and it had these like great uh lines in it and oh man it's been so fun nice

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nice well uh yeah so before we pour this whiskey do you want to tell the folks what we might be

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talking about today.

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In today's episode, we're covering the cloud leak, open cloud replacements,

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going from wetware to software, pretext, in-page agents, instant translation, killing entire SaaS

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companies, AI music, second brains, ultimate hacker, death stars, celebrity death match,

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agent battles, personified agents over video calls, and our LLMs, AGI yet?

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Come on, we're ready.

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Or are we?

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Yeah, a lot to cover.

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So we better grease the wheels with some

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hard bag we beastie we beastie so fun i can just it's a we beastie it's a we beastie more italian

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then turned into luigi over here yeah

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well i'm ready for a scotch in my life again let's do it

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oh speaking of scotches i got the uh my wife is doing a costco order and i was like hey i i had

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the the kirkland brand scotch a week ago it's pretty good will you um get me one and she's like

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yeah there's like the regular scotch for the 12 year kirkland brand i'm like yeah go to 12 12 year

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it was 35 and i was like that's so cheap but get it it showed up it's absolutely massive the thing

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it's a costco sized huge kirkland bottom like oh my goodness like it doesn't even fit in my cupboard

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oh yeah that's the way their vodka is too it's like she's you know it's like you know

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it's like way too big so big i'm like it's like a two liter bottle of scotch and i'm like this

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is so american to just have that much uh scotch delivered to my door it's just hilarious yeah

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this smells good yeah so reminder for our loyal listeners we now talk about the whiskey at the

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end.

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So if you're interested in that, listen until the end.

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And if you're not interested in that,

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stop listening when we start talking about it.

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So one of the

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news things that is a little bit old now, it'll be really old by the time you hear this,

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I'm going to start releasing episodes a lot more often, hopefully, so that we can't stop saying

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that but cloud code source was leaked which uh is hilarious i saw a fun tweet about like

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um you know they want you to pay more for them to like review your prs also and the fact that

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they could like ship this out and not notice is like just hilarious it is funny i love all the

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things people went looking for um i was like oh the source is leaked and you know i didn't get any

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creative ideas and Wes Boss is like I wanted to know how many of the words it says when it's

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thinking yeah I'm like that was a great one that was a good one yeah I saw that I think it had like

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512,000 lines of code or something and I think uh open code has like 110,000 these are um I'm not

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sure the exact numbers but Dax had posted about it and they were like oh I'm getting LOC mogged

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Like I need to need to up our, our lines of code.

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And, um, so yeah, I think that's interesting that

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they have so much in there.

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I feel like they have a ton of stuff that people don't need.

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Like, I think this goes back to the things that access saying about like, don't just ship

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stuff.

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Cause you can like make sure it's something people want to use.

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Cause I feel

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like there's nothing in open code or that's not an open code.

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I'm like, Oh man, I wish it would

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do that.

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I don't know.

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How do you feel?

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Less is more, although, you know, like I stopped using

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pie as much recently and went back to Claude.

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So it's like, I loved the idea of, you know,

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training a puppy and growing this thing with me and starting small.

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And eventually I was just like,

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I don't know some of the noise that that caused.

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I was like, no, but put the batteries in

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batteries included.

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I don't want to think about it just work.

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Cause I want to sit down and I just

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want to get results and so um i'm gonna waffle on this forever just as we always do right this

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pendulum will swing um but yeah if it's got that much code in it and it's handling a lot of my

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cases then it's all good i do like their team implementation um and i like a lot of the you

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know they kind of keep hardening some of the better patterns and the things so maybe that's

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why it's growing so instead of relying on plugins uh they just build it in it's a very apple

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mentality i'm feeling very much like anthropic is turning an apple uh page here they're like

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learning from them like oh we need to create the walled garden we don't want people to be reaching

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outside of our system which is also why they closed out open claw and we'll get to that but

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i'm just getting a lot of apple five maybe that's because they want to ipo and they're like we need

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to we need to trap people uh which i hope they're not saying yeah they might be so yeah i'm i don't

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want to say anything super bad because you know i do have their free max plan i'm enjoying it thanks

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thanks again for that um however it's it doesn't feel great to use like yes it has those fun

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words of like whatever it's doing uh discombobulating or whatever like every time

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um but i feel like i'm i'm not clear on exactly what it's doing all the time

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and maybe that's by design.

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But I feel like in open code,

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I know for sure if I'm planning or not,

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I know like what it's thinking about.

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I can like, I feel more in control

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and maybe it's just because I haven't used

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cloud code as much.

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But one thing is for sure,

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you need to be using the Anthropic models.

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They are so much better than all the other ones.

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So we lost the ability to use them at work

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and I've been having to use GPT 5.4 or Codex 5.3,

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which I don't know why they're on different numbers, whatever.

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Anyway, and it has been bad.

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Like, it's back to, like, using Sonnet or even before that.

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Like, you know, back when we used to poo-poo on AI,

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I feel like that's what the results I'm getting now of, like, you know nothing.

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like I'm going to hurl obscenities in your direction because I'm so tired of you not doing

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what I asked and like it it also oversteps or something it's like it does too much and maybe

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that's part of I need to give it more instruction but like I think by default there was less getting

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done and it was like more powerful correct code getting done with opus than like this just tries

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to vomit like more code to solve the problem and that's not how it should work yep i use alternative

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models to review the output of opus but opus is always the reliable uh good one and that's why

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i'll continue to pay their their subscription model i like those models those are the ones i

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want to have the most access to um and that's why i was so gut-wrenching when they said i couldn't

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use pi to access uh those models anymore can you from open code you have to use open router how are

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you using Opus from OpenCode?

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Uh, I have OpenCode Zen or a black OpenCode black, sorry.

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Um, whatever

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it is, different words.

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Um, and that still lets you use it.

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It's, um, you know, similar to paying

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for your cloud subscription.

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You can pay like a hundred bucks a month, 200 bucks a month, like

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whatever tier you want.

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Um, I don't know how the limits compare.

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I would imagine the limits are

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much lower because i think they have to pay api prices because they got shut down from that shit

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goes fast man i tried it i um and that money went out the door really fast and it made my

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subscription just look really valuable um yeah you must be because they banned third-party harnesses

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yeah yeah if i'm using it all day like i'm gonna sit down and i'm gonna use open code with um

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with some anthropic models and i'm gonna code something today

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maybe a few somewhere between a few hours into like definitely before the end of the day

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it's like you're at your limit and like maybe not even just like the daily or what like the

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weekly limit or whatever and i'm just like oh shit like so we're just stuck i'm just not gonna

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do anything else so then you know luckily i have many other options i use warp some i use um

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clod code directly like i just bounce around as until i hit limits um that's how i've been doing

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it yep i do that with warp and clod um and warp i'll hit my credit limits pretty quick because

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i'm only paying 20 bucks a month or so um and i still like warp in a whole bunch of ways um so

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i'm going to keep paying that one but my clod one i'm only at the hundred dollar month one and

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i haven't reached those limits one time um i wouldn't say i'm like a power user on my personal

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time um but i definitely i'll leave it running and it'll do things for 45 minutes and it won't even

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you know get past 25 of what my limit is so i'm feeling pretty good about um staying inside of

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that ecosystem for now but it did make it hard with open clause they said no pi yeah no open

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code no third-party harnesses at all you better figure out uh how to use it in some other way and

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i yeah i tried the keys and just ate up 10 bucks and like a couple queries and i was like well this

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is just not gonna work um but i did solve it for open claw and got it worked out so they had there's

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and here's the thing i don't know if it's a loophole or not yet the the way that they're

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saying this is no third-party harnesses which is open code uh pi uh codex i suppose and other

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things that or even copilot if it's the harness you can't use their models through some other

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window this is that's what i mean it's so apple it's like safari it's like hey our model is safari

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and you can only use it on an apple product or i guess it's iMessage you can only iMessage from

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an iPhone type of deal.

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So it seems weird though, right?

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Because like, sorry to derail you, but like,

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Um, essentially a harness is just feeding more data into the prompt.

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Right.

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So like, um,

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how is that different than me defining my own like agents MD or whatever, like my own instructions?

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Like, what if I just go, cool, I'm going to take exactly what open code has been telling you

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and put it all in here.

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That's fine.

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You just don't want me to have a different UI

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where it looks a little different.

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They want some control.

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They want to know what was that went in there

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before it turned into the actual query.

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And that's kind of why it's confusing

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about what I have set up is it's using the Cloud CLI.

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So they allow you to programmatically access models

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through the Cloud CLI,

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which I guess is just not a harness.

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or if you put logic in front of the CLI call,

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it's not a harness.

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So we need to really dig in at some point

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and figure out what is a harness

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and how is that different from just a proxy?

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Because it feels like a proxy.

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And like, so you have open router,

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open router is a proxy.

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You have all these things that are sort of like

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decorating the request before it goes in there.

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But how is a harness?

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And I think what it was is

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some harnesses really put a lot in front.

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And that was what their big complaint was

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with open clause.

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it was just packing in because it would heartbeat and it would do it and every heartbeat had all

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this context and so they were just getting these like small queries that had huge amounts of

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context in there and they were like this is just not cool and maybe when they own the harness

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they can mitigate a lot of that thing i'm not sure um yeah nice mr ray's like hey we sound so slow i

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do the same thing i meet people in real life and i'm like whoa i listened to you on a podcast and

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you're like snails right now.

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I can't even believe it.

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But yeah, I found ClaudeClaw,

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which acts a lot like, so I still interface through Discord.

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I still send all my messages.

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I can still thread out and get all my sub-agents and everything, except I'm just not going through

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Pi anymore.

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I'm pinging a Bun server and the Bun server then forwards it to the CLI, the Claude

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cli and then it gets the response and pipes it back into discord so it's some it's so similar

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that i'm like this is sanctioned but the other one wasn't what's the difference is this one

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going to get canceled at some point so i'm also trying clod co-work because it makes a lot of

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promises like open claw and that has not been as successful so far it's anyway that's quite a

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predicament we're in yeah i mean i think they should have just put out their own open claw

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basically like i don't i mean maybe they're working on it and like there wasn't an exact

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need for that sort of product but you know they they should have just acquired it or

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built their own thing a lot of people are building the consumer version of this now

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that we were talking about earlier like um uh sentient something and uh i don't have the notes

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stuff hold on hark yeah sentience or yeah sentience and hark yeah sentience stock company and hark

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yeah these are both promising to be consumer ready uh open class for you yeah yeah so i think like

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this is going to be the next thing that people are going to try to charge you tons of money for

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is how do we get that magic of open claw and one make it easy there's no setup you just use it

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to make it actually remember and work, which open call never, ever, ever one time has done for me.

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And I got so heated with it the other day.

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Like I was like, hey, this thing that we do every week,

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my dude, let's let's make some episode art.

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It's like, cool, cool.

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All right.

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Here it is.

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I was

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like, all right, cool.

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That looks like shit.

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Why did you do it that way?

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And it's like, well,

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I don't know.

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Let me like, it didn't ask me any clarifying questions and just started trying,

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like, let me try, uh, these like 15 different image generation things that none of are going

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to work.

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So I don't have any API keys for anything.

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And, um, it was like, uh, well,

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yeah, I couldn't get any of that.

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So what if I just give you some texts to put in somewhere and

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try to prompt it to give it to you and like, whatever.

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And so that didn't work.

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And also

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another thing it does all the time, we post a post bridge and like whatever.

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And I'm like,

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all right, every time you post a post bridge, like if there's one thing you need to remember,

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like put it in every memory spot, you're going to check, make it a draft because you might

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fuck it up.

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And I want to review it and say, no, no, that sounds stupid.

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Oh, I saw this post it

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made.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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It made like, okay.

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So it posted, it goes cool.

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I posted everywhere.

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And I was like, was it a draft?

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It was like, Oh dang, it wasn't a draft.

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Let me like go edit that

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one.

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I couldn't edit it.

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So I posted another one.

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It wasn't a draft either.

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I was like, damn it.

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Now I got two out there.

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And then I was like, all right, can you make it a draft?

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And it goes,

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uh, actually the API doesn't support making it a draft.

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There's no way to do it.

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I was like,

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we've done this so many times before you have to set something to make it a draft.

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It's like,

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no, it doesn't support it, man.

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And I was like, okay, there's an open claw skill for this.

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Like

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in the, what do they call it?

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The open claw registry or whatever.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Um,

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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So I was like, you've installed this skill.

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Go read it.

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It goes, oh, shit.

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Yeah, that does tell me all the stuff I can do.

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And I was like, yeah.

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OK, can you do it?

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It's like, no.

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And I was like, what in the world?

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Like, and so I go set is underscore draft to true in your post.

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And it goes, oh, it works.

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And I was like, yes, you fucking dumbass.

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Like, how are you having this much trouble?

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we've done this so many times and i had to manually tell you exactly what to do because

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you couldn't figure it out and like man the magic is wearing off on this thing like i know you've

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been having a lot of open claw success but it's been getting worse and worse for me i've had i've

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had memory issues plenty of them and that's why you see there's a lot of people competing in the

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memory space right now they there was even a celebrity that came out with a agentic memory

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system recently did you see that one and i was like wow we're at the point now we're like

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celebrities are making shit for AI.

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That's pretty hilarious.

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But yeah, and I've been working on a

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second brain and the second brain is still just as annoying.

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It's all markdown files that live

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on the thing.

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And, or on the thing, it's like my machine right here.

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I'm like pointing to it.

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But

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anyway, it's like, I'm like, Hey, Hey, I'm going to the baseball game.

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Tell me all the kids' families

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that I'm going to see there.

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I need to know the parents' names.

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And it's like, dude, it lists out

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baseball team players.

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It goes, yeah, here's some baseball players.

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And I'm like, what are you

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talking about no i specific you know what else does this to me too is like google home

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and we have a google home and i'm like hey play my playlist called morning crooners and it goes

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playing the playlist something something crooners and i'm like no no no no no stop my playlist i

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don't give a shit about everybody else's playlist just just mine so would you play my you know query

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first for mine then match the words play it very easy uh and it still won't do it i'm just like

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fine i'll whip out my phone geez um but yeah people are trying to figure out this memory thing

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because it's really frustrating these things are innately not memory they're not supposed to have

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memories and llm is just a word vomit machine it just says oh snap i was given some prompts i need

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to make another word and another word and another word and we're trying to give it a sense of this

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by front loading it and it's just not working um and it should be part of the initial harness

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right of like if you're open claw that's supposed to be what like or i guess pie under the hood

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The learning thing, right?

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Yeah.

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Is like that should say, okay, we're all computer programs at the end of the day, right?

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So when you start the program, look at the fucking memory and the like, just research what you're supposed to do and make sure that you remember what we talked about you remembering before you ever try to do anything else.

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That should be easy to program.

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I would think.

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Why?

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When I go, remember this, remember this, remember this is like, no, no.

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I mean, someone was tweeting me that on blue sky.

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They're like, why did you expect a non-deterministic system to be somehow deterministic?

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And I'm like, well, because it's kind of deterministic in a lot of scenarios.

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I don't think it's unrealistic for me to expect it to do these things.

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I get what you're saying, but also there's enough guardrails that we can put this thing on rails.

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It's on rails already.

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All I need to do is make sure I give it enough descriptions that it stays on rails, but here we are.

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mixed like like there needs to be more explicit instruction run a script kind of things before

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the ai oh yeah llm like but i guess it's trying to understand what i asked for in the first place

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before it can load the relevant information so like if you made a like slash command it'd

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probably be better than if i'm like make episode art then it has to go oh let me like search for

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how to make episode art like you know what i mean so maybe that's my fault of not being

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explicit with my commands.

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I don't know.

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I think it's also like this cloud class system that I

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ended up setting up.

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It's programmatic, right?

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It's calling the CLI.

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So it has an opportunity

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to take in what I said, break it into pieces, do something more programmatic with it before it

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eventually hits the cloud CLI or the, yeah.

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And it does a little bit, except you know, what's back

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is the posting to the general channel.

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And I'm like, no, I'm like, no, this thing,

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it's just going to haunt me forever.

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And so like, I'm even in there, I'm looking at the cloud MD

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file.

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It says like never posted the general check.

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Basically I'm like, if you are replying

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never ever the general channel, you're replying to something.

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There's something

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that you are innately messaging back to never use the general channel for that.

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And then, uh, you know what it started, it always gives me different solutions to it.

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It's like, I put one in the reply and one in general and I'm like, well, that's stupid.

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I just needed the one and the thing

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so yeah I don't know what these memories

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Klaus does that

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the art will be in the general

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channel but like

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the talking of like it'll be like

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I generated this stuff in the thread but then

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it'll post the like art in the general channel

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so it's like it's almost there

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but the threads are super important actually

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because I have my open claw at

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home which I don't use for anything

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because it cost me so

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much money and was so shitty but

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I think it was because I was using iMessage

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and I think in iMessage with no threads

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it's reading the entire

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iMessage history which included

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me asking like could you look up

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the API shape of a couple

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things which is like 20,000 tokens

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per one and so every time you did

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anything it was like you're over your tokens

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as soon as you asked it like one question

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so

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I think

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the discord thread thing

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is a must or something

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the threaded to where it's not going to read an entire channel to like understand what you're

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trying to do yeah so we got our wet wearer we're trying to turn it into software and i'm just glad

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i'm not like trying to build one of these products because look at us we're just consumers right

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we're like open source hackers early adopters we're whining about it imagine if this was our

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job and like eight hours a day you're trying to teach this thing actual recall to have actual

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memory about stuff and you're just like this stupid thing oh i could just see people getting so mad

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yeah I mean I feel like it has to be totally

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outside of the LLM

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interaction of like

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you have to you know maybe

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because you want natural language right so you're

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doing something in natural language

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you have to be able to convert that into

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something that like the

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LLM can turn it into like oh cool

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this might be these 10 things

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and then you use like a real program that's like

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searching for those things versus like it

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thinking about it and then when it

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finds that stuff then you give it that context of like i feel like there's missing pieces of it

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needs to be more programmatic in between instead of like you know guessing and hallucinating

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everything for every little thing um because when it's doing that it gets it wrong a lot of the time

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yeah whoever's gonna win this at home open cloud assistant uh it's gonna i assume it's gonna be a

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box i think you're gonna buy a box and plug it into your wi-fi um and then give people access

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yeah would buy a box and then it needs to have memory it needs to actually apply memory because

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if it was sitting there annoying regular people like this there's just no way they're going to

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use it um let's move on from memory and clod to pretext how much of this did you see well i mean

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how could you miss it i suppose but sorry i just wanted to close this loop while we're still on

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anthropic-y things let's talk about mythos for just a second oh yeah good call yeah so mythos

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new model, which some people

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speculated was just Opus

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because they were getting too much

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it was too expensive for everyone using

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Opus.

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They weren't charging enough and so they wanted to

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call it something else.

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It sounds like, and it could all be marketing,

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but it sounds like they're like, oh, it's so powerful.

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It's so much more powerful

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than anything.

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It found every

466
00:25:41.881 --> 00:25:43.620
security vulnerability and everything

467
00:25:43.660 --> 00:25:44.045
in one second.

468
00:25:46.384 --> 00:25:47.840
Not really, but some of the

469
00:25:47.941 --> 00:25:49.860
things that they say it did,

470
00:25:50.020 --> 00:25:50.417
they're like,

471
00:25:52.246 --> 00:25:56.360
they spent $50 to find a 27 year old bug in open BSD.

472
00:25:57.942 --> 00:26:01.700
They could spend under a thousand dollars to find and build a fully working

473
00:26:01.801 --> 00:26:04.480
remote code execution exploit on free BSD,

474
00:26:05.123 --> 00:26:08.280
like stuff that's going to really affect you know,

475
00:26:08.360 --> 00:26:12.420
Linux kernel vulnerabilities also like things that would really blow up like a

476
00:26:12.540 --> 00:26:15.380
ton of infrastructure if they were just kind of released in the wild.

477
00:26:16.262 --> 00:26:19.420
Cause this would take weeks or months of like a person banging on something,

478
00:26:19.440 --> 00:26:21.545
been trying to, to fix it.

479
00:26:22.306 --> 00:26:28.660
Um, so yeah, I think, um, you know, if they're taken at that face value

480
00:26:29.021 --> 00:26:31.025
of like, this is actually what it is.

481
00:26:32.027 --> 00:26:36.959
Um, then I guess things got a lot better, huh?

482
00:26:37.139 --> 00:26:37.620
I'm not sure

483
00:26:37.961 --> 00:26:41.335
how, but, uh, I, I feel like it's a lot of marketing.

484
00:26:41.415 --> 00:26:42.660
I do think they're, um, they're

485
00:26:42.680 --> 00:26:46.400
doing some good stuff of like, they're saying as part of this, we're going to start project

486
00:26:46.500 --> 00:26:51.520
Glasswing, which is like, I don't even know who else involved, all the like monomona companies

487
00:26:52.604 --> 00:26:53.187
and whoever.

488
00:26:53.528 --> 00:26:56.500
Um, and they're going to say like, we're going to, before we release this model to

489
00:26:56.600 --> 00:27:00.817
everyone, we're going to like use it internally and fix all these things.

490
00:27:00.857 --> 00:27:01.660
So people can't like

491
00:27:02.322 --> 00:27:07.520
get access to this really good model and just screw everyone over, which, uh, also at face

492
00:27:07.580 --> 00:27:09.107
value is a good thing to do.

493
00:27:09.288 --> 00:27:12.000
I think like being responsible instead of just releasing it to the

494
00:27:12.040 --> 00:27:16.660
world um and there's probably going to be a lot more of that i would think of like if things do

495
00:27:16.780 --> 00:27:21.980
continue to theoretically get better then if you released it and hackers could use it in like day

496
00:27:22.241 --> 00:27:29.380
one you're just like everyone's done so maybe a good idea yeah i got the sense that um because

497
00:27:29.721 --> 00:27:35.700
open ai also did something nice this week and both of them are trying to ipo and so you need to make

498
00:27:35.720 --> 00:27:41.740
yourself critical and i think by sharing that you're you have a model that can exploit everybody

499
00:27:42.504 --> 00:27:46.100
makes people scared of you, but you came out at the gate as a good guy.

500
00:27:47.182 --> 00:27:49.920
And now you can go ask for money and be a hero, right?

501
00:27:49.980 --> 00:27:54.979
So you're like, so that's them, I think, just trying to really establish themselves as

502
00:27:55.601 --> 00:28:00.380
critical infrastructure, a critical tool that this world needs.

503
00:28:00.941 --> 00:28:09.080
And then you had OpenAI say, we're going to displace so many jobs with AI that, well,

504
00:28:09.241 --> 00:28:11.760
it needs to be a part of your utility bill.

505
00:28:12.621 --> 00:28:16.040
So how you have water and you have power and gas.

506
00:28:16.360 --> 00:28:17.457
Now you need to have AI.

507
00:28:18.042 --> 00:28:18.719
And with that,

508
00:28:18.820 --> 00:28:21.760
we also propose that the world moves to a four day work week.

509
00:28:22.121 --> 00:28:22.820
Did you see that opening?

510
00:28:23.001 --> 00:28:24.480
I came out the gate and they're like,

511
00:28:24.560 --> 00:28:25.240
we're going to basically,

512
00:28:25.481 --> 00:28:26.640
no one needs to work as much anymore.

513
00:28:26.720 --> 00:28:27.740
There's going to be way less jobs.

514
00:28:28.841 --> 00:28:31.820
We're going to be part of your utility bill and it'll be great.

515
00:28:31.963 --> 00:28:32.240
Everybody.

516
00:28:32.500 --> 00:28:32.999
It'll all be great.

517
00:28:33.121 --> 00:28:33.460
So it's like,

518
00:28:34.213 --> 00:28:34.560
and honestly,

519
00:28:34.640 --> 00:28:34.880
I was like,

520
00:28:34.920 --> 00:28:35.016
Hey,

521
00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:35.799
a four day work week.

522
00:28:35.881 --> 00:28:36.840
Can you sell my boss on that?

523
00:28:36.861 --> 00:28:37.420
That sounds great.

524
00:28:37.481 --> 00:28:38.979
I would love an extra day to do that.

525
00:28:39.300 --> 00:28:48.700
So both of them trying to really position themselves as critical infrastructure, open AI coming out and saying we need to be a government funded bill like you get at your doorstep every month.

526
00:28:49.241 --> 00:28:54.560
And Anthropic saying, hey, we found critical, wildly vulnerable, like important vulnerabilities.

527
00:28:54.740 --> 00:28:56.260
But don't worry, we're not bad guys.

528
00:28:56.761 --> 00:28:57.495
We'll fix them.

529
00:28:58.742 --> 00:29:06.820
so so yeah I do um on the topic of a four-day work week or like less work in general because

530
00:29:06.880 --> 00:29:11.160
AI is going to solve so much one we've just proven that because now there's just way more work way

531
00:29:11.260 --> 00:29:16.500
more work geez yeah but but related I do wonder how you feel about this like all right so you've

532
00:29:16.560 --> 00:29:22.060
got five agents running right you got them on long running tasks you're waiting you're kind of

533
00:29:22.180 --> 00:29:27.220
playing the waiting game you you don't have more than five things to work on so you're like what

534
00:29:27.240 --> 00:29:32.600
do i do right so if they're running and working it's the middle of your work day you want to go

535
00:29:33.482 --> 00:29:40.560
to the movies or whatever like are you still working is that cool like this is i feel like

536
00:29:40.560 --> 00:29:45.860
going to be a fluid thing with work in the future of like it's like you know the when the code was

537
00:29:45.880 --> 00:29:50.180
compiling for 10 hours before like in the old days like yeah it's compiling can't do anything

538
00:29:50.762 --> 00:29:55.779
i'm gonna play ping pong yeah this is work it's all good yeah so it's like is that the new new

539
00:29:56.120 --> 00:29:59.136
world we're going to live in of like everything I could possibly implement.

540
00:29:59.156 --> 00:29:59.940
I've got agents working

541
00:30:00.121 --> 00:30:04.919
on and like, why would I sit here and just wait for them to tell me when they're done?

542
00:30:04.959 --> 00:30:05.180
I might

543
00:30:05.200 --> 00:30:06.406
as well go do something fun.

544
00:30:06.487 --> 00:30:07.934
Like there's nothing else productive.

545
00:30:07.954 --> 00:30:09.020
I can do nothing else productive.

546
00:30:09.160 --> 00:30:10.143
I'm being asked to do.

547
00:30:10.164 --> 00:30:14.820
Um, or will people see that as like, Oh, you only have five things you can

548
00:30:14.840 --> 00:30:16.126
think of to do while you're fired.

549
00:30:16.287 --> 00:30:19.240
Because like this guy has a hundred things he can think of to

550
00:30:19.280 --> 00:30:19.481
do.

551
00:30:19.561 --> 00:30:21.288
And he's never like just waiting.

552
00:30:21.328 --> 00:30:22.393
He's always prompting.

553
00:30:23.055 --> 00:30:23.658
Um, I don't know.

554
00:30:23.678 --> 00:30:24.160
I wonder if you have

555
00:30:24.180 --> 00:30:24.803
thoughts around that?

556
00:30:25.385 --> 00:30:25.827
Hmm.

557
00:30:26.509 --> 00:30:26.730
Yeah.

558
00:30:26.750 --> 00:30:29.080
I mean, I could see arguments on both sides where it's like,

559
00:30:29.523 --> 00:30:31.940
while one is working, you could be planning for the next one.

560
00:30:34.521 --> 00:30:38.278
But I don't think that's necessarily making you more efficient.

561
00:30:38.459 --> 00:30:38.760
So it's like,

562
00:30:38.840 --> 00:30:40.465
it's going to be efficiency based.

563
00:30:41.348 --> 00:30:41.970
I'm not sure.

564
00:30:41.990 --> 00:30:45.100
I do know that if you kind of slack off while

565
00:30:45.140 --> 00:30:48.736
it's working, someone's going to accuse you of not working hard enough.

566
00:30:48.897 --> 00:30:49.520
Maybe it'll just be

567
00:30:49.620 --> 00:30:54.700
hours so it's like you you worked through this window and whether or not agents are doing things

568
00:30:54.961 --> 00:31:00.440
it's irrelevant as you need to be lining it might be kind of like the burn window or um the night

569
00:31:00.500 --> 00:31:04.260
shift day shift scenario where you need to be queuing things up so your work day is going to

570
00:31:04.340 --> 00:31:09.640
be adding to the queue you're working ahead of agents agents are somehow behind you uh ralph

571
00:31:09.860 --> 00:31:16.860
wiggum looping over your to-do list um but i don't know depends on maybe it depends on the employer

572
00:31:17.242 --> 00:31:21.660
you know well i think it like you know this is another thing that i've always struggled with is

573
00:31:21.740 --> 00:31:28.780
like hourly billing in general is so stupid if you're like hey um i'm gonna fix your car right

574
00:31:30.023 --> 00:31:37.660
cool if you fix it i don't care if it took you one hour or 20 hours if you want to charge me

575
00:31:37.720 --> 00:31:45.060
two thousand dollars and i feel like that was a big thing to fix cool so like you know i think

576
00:31:45.321 --> 00:31:50.300
hours is is not a good measure of like productivity so i wonder if there'll be something similar of

577
00:31:50.340 --> 00:31:56.380
like okay well if the thing that your agents are building while you're uh oh you your agents are

578
00:31:56.420 --> 00:32:00.340
building stuff that takes so long you went on vacation for a week but you came back and they

579
00:32:00.380 --> 00:32:07.540
made us fifty thousand dollars so is that cool like i don't know i feel like there's so many like

580
00:32:08.403 --> 00:32:12.400
things that are going to have to be solidified in terms of like corporate they're gonna want more

581
00:32:12.520 --> 00:32:17.000
yeah ian's saying that in the chat too i mean we just know it there we and we already see it

582
00:32:17.582 --> 00:32:22.940
um we are out but i'm outputting clearly more than i ever would have before i think that the

583
00:32:23.000 --> 00:32:26.760
work that i was able to do in the past couple weeks um building some components for shopify

584
00:32:27.743 --> 00:32:34.040
absolutely would have taken me a month or more for how much i'm able to output right now and

585
00:32:34.040 --> 00:32:38.520
they're not asking me to do less they're also not asking me to do more but they are asking me to

586
00:32:38.620 --> 00:32:39.062
continue.

587
00:32:39.183 --> 00:32:40.428
Actually, they are asking me to do more.

588
00:32:41.092 --> 00:32:42.900
They were like, hey, they were like,

589
00:32:43.420 --> 00:32:46.740
they're like, hey, quote, quote, how long it's going to take you to build those components.

590
00:32:46.740 --> 00:32:50.173
And I was like, well, I don't want to undercut you.

591
00:32:50.254 --> 00:32:51.880
And I don't want to say a big number that

592
00:32:51.980 --> 00:32:52.562
makes you upset.

593
00:32:52.583 --> 00:32:57.040
But I'm like, I think it's about two weeks for, you know, a couple of components

594
00:32:57.161 --> 00:32:57.744
every two weeks.

595
00:32:57.764 --> 00:32:58.850
They're going to be well tested.

596
00:32:58.871 --> 00:33:00.500
You know, we're going to have put them in, you

597
00:33:00.500 --> 00:33:03.152
know, mobile and desktop across all these browsers.

598
00:33:03.173 --> 00:33:04.760
There's a lot of things to account for.

599
00:33:04.760 --> 00:33:06.240
And they were like, well, you have AI though, right?

600
00:33:06.281 --> 00:33:07.860
So it's like faster.

601
00:33:08.223 --> 00:33:09.280
And I'm like, that is faster.

602
00:33:10.062 --> 00:33:10.560
And I'm like-

603
00:33:10.560 --> 00:33:11.780
Two weeks was the faster number.

604
00:33:12.221 --> 00:33:13.120
That was the faster number.

605
00:33:13.180 --> 00:33:15.760
I was like, you can look at prior things that we solved in it.

606
00:33:16.641 --> 00:33:18.773
We finished 80% in a couple months.

607
00:33:20.442 --> 00:33:23.380
And then you had another six months of shit cleanup.

608
00:33:24.162 --> 00:33:26.640
I'm anticipating we still have the shit cleanup part.

609
00:33:27.921 --> 00:33:31.280
So it's actually kind of fast for me even to be quoting too.

610
00:33:31.340 --> 00:33:33.940
I'm feeling really guilty even saying two weeks on this.

611
00:33:34.020 --> 00:33:36.920
So, um, so yeah, no one's asking for less.

612
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.040
Everyone's still asking for more.

613
00:33:38.345 --> 00:33:39.340
Stick to your guns, man.

614
00:33:39.421 --> 00:33:40.679
Be like, no, it takes a long time.

615
00:33:41.443 --> 00:33:41.839
Like I did.

616
00:33:42.040 --> 00:33:42.140
Yeah.

617
00:33:42.180 --> 00:33:46.900
I stuck to him and I was like, I also, um, would rather overshoot and deliver faster

618
00:33:46.900 --> 00:33:47.720
than undershoot.

619
00:33:47.862 --> 00:33:49.099
And y'all are like, where is it?

620
00:33:49.204 --> 00:33:49.419
You know?

621
00:33:49.440 --> 00:33:51.860
And it's like, that's just, that's not nice to do to anybody.

622
00:33:51.941 --> 00:33:54.180
So I'd rather actually be slightly more realistic here.

623
00:33:55.720 --> 00:33:55.995
Yeah.

624
00:33:56.400 --> 00:33:59.719
It's, uh, some heavy, heavy stuff going on with AI.

625
00:34:00.323 --> 00:34:02.040
Um, and I'm hearing it from multiple people too.

626
00:34:02.160 --> 00:34:03.260
Designers are also feeling it.

627
00:34:03.421 --> 00:34:04.607
they're not being asked to do less.

628
00:34:04.628 --> 00:34:05.714
They're being asked to do more.

629
00:34:05.794 --> 00:34:06.840
Everybody's asked to do more.

630
00:34:07.502 --> 00:34:10.255
And it's a lot of learning and people don't necessarily love adapting.

631
00:34:10.577 --> 00:34:11.159
And so it can be

632
00:34:11.400 --> 00:34:13.206
a slog to learn a new tool.

633
00:34:14.129 --> 00:34:14.330
Yeah.

634
00:34:14.370 --> 00:34:17.420
Well, I mean, I still stand by like, yes, there's a lot you

635
00:34:17.460 --> 00:34:22.060
could do to manually configure a ton of tools and get like a really good workflow right now.

636
00:34:22.701 --> 00:34:25.148
But I think this stuff moves so quick.

637
00:34:25.870 --> 00:34:26.492
Give it a month.

638
00:34:27.114 --> 00:34:27.976
The tools will be better.

639
00:34:28.277 --> 00:34:29.360
Like you,

640
00:34:30.123 --> 00:34:34.700
you being expected to do more is scary right now but the tools will catch up and allow you to do

641
00:34:34.780 --> 00:34:42.440
more with like basically no extra learning on your part in my opinion yep there's a huge amount of

642
00:34:42.460 --> 00:34:46.560
things to be learned from here and massive advantages yes i'm i don't want to go back

643
00:34:46.841 --> 00:34:50.880
to how i was working i just migrated my site it took me a couple weeks it was still a couple

644
00:34:50.980 --> 00:34:56.640
weeks even with ai um and i would have never done this without ai it would have taken me so long i

645
00:34:56.700 --> 00:34:58.799
I went from DinoFresh 1 to DinoFresh 2.

646
00:34:59.562 --> 00:35:01.040
I had to migrate hosting platforms.

647
00:35:01.240 --> 00:35:03.940
They have an old classic to a new hosting platform,

648
00:35:04.243 --> 00:35:05.240
which was not a one-to-one.

649
00:35:05.561 --> 00:35:06.960
The migration scripts did not work.

650
00:35:07.060 --> 00:35:08.420
I'd done way too much custom stuff.

651
00:35:08.800 --> 00:35:11.220
My site is surprisingly complex.

652
00:35:11.440 --> 00:35:13.196
If you go to nerdy.dev, it feels like,

653
00:35:13.760 --> 00:35:15.500
oh, this must've just been built with Astro.

654
00:35:15.984 --> 00:35:16.520
Oh, hell no.

655
00:35:17.502 --> 00:35:19.320
It's a CSS only webpage actually.

656
00:35:19.707 --> 00:35:19.840
Yeah.

657
00:35:19.981 --> 00:35:21.139
No JavaScript, no HTML.

658
00:35:23.135 --> 00:35:23.779
Oh man, I wish.

659
00:35:24.564 --> 00:35:25.440
There's so much under there.

660
00:35:25.481 --> 00:35:26.660
I have so many layers of cache.

661
00:35:26.740 --> 00:35:31.120
It's a server rendered almost real time website experience.

662
00:35:31.200 --> 00:35:32.440
I want it to feel like a social network.

663
00:35:32.580 --> 00:35:35.760
It's grabbing data from multiple APIs constantly.

664
00:35:36.001 --> 00:35:36.860
I keep a backup of data.

665
00:35:36.960 --> 00:35:38.700
Anyway, I have all this stuff going on, all this stuff.

666
00:35:39.300 --> 00:35:42.260
And I would have never done it without AI.

667
00:35:42.360 --> 00:35:45.180
This stuff is just so invaluable in my pocket right now.

668
00:35:46.240 --> 00:35:46.340
Yeah.

669
00:35:46.460 --> 00:35:49.060
Did I tell you about the AstroDB stuff?

670
00:35:50.801 --> 00:35:54.200
No, but I know they've had some recent advancements there because I didn't like spinning up our

671
00:35:54.621 --> 00:36:01.660
site because it had some quirks what's up yeah um so they are basically not investing in astro db

672
00:36:01.780 --> 00:36:08.840
anymore because it's essentially just a thin drizzle wrapper um and so they were their

673
00:36:08.880 --> 00:36:14.340
suggestion was like just use drizzle and so i told i was like yo opus just use drizzle my dude

674
00:36:14.721 --> 00:36:21.320
and it was like done no way yeah so it's like yeah that's the kind of stuff i would have hated

675
00:36:21.521 --> 00:36:25.900
having to like figure out all the differences and like but yeah and it even kept the same commands

676
00:36:25.960 --> 00:36:32.760
of like i still pnpm db seed and it will like put the new people and sponsors and whoever in the

677
00:36:32.880 --> 00:36:38.680
database and like it just works and it's still still using the same like torso database didn't

678
00:36:38.720 --> 00:36:43.260
have to move it anywhere else or do anything it just just worked so those are the kind of things

679
00:36:43.260 --> 00:36:48.279
where i'm like oh man i love love ai for like when it when this kind of stuff works well i love that

680
00:36:49.143 --> 00:36:53.680
yeah for infrastructure stuff it kicks butt but again like i've had those css issues where it

681
00:36:53.700 --> 00:36:57.800
just turned and turned and spent all that money and then i went in and you know just it happened

682
00:36:57.860 --> 00:37:01.740
again today i was like hey there's two extra pixels when i'm transitioning from state a to

683
00:37:01.780 --> 00:37:06.140
state b it looks like it's this just go fix the two pixels i need these two columns to be the

684
00:37:06.160 --> 00:37:11.360
same size i can't see two pixels it can't see two pixels and it goes oh i did all the math and it's

685
00:37:11.400 --> 00:37:14.760
this and this and this and now they're both the same i'm like that's not the same you get one

686
00:37:14.800 --> 00:37:19.080
more trifle and it goes it's the i got it this time oh you're right you're absolutely it's not

687
00:37:19.180 --> 00:37:24.680
fixed i go look and i deleted a line of css to fix it that's actually been really consistent with my

688
00:37:24.800 --> 00:37:32.580
fixes with ai is like i don't delete pixels oh my goodness no seriously oh yeah yeah no okay

689
00:37:33.222 --> 00:37:37.800
go ahead you can't see it all anyway yeah tell me about pretext pretext okay so this has been a fun

690
00:37:37.840 --> 00:37:41.880
thing like when i was at chrome i had a lot of time spent with the text rendering folks and this

691
00:37:41.940 --> 00:37:43.700
is how we got things like text box trim.

692
00:37:44.183 --> 00:37:45.879
We were working on fit width text.

693
00:37:46.220 --> 00:37:47.720
And so it's in Canary.

694
00:37:47.840 --> 00:37:49.479
You can go try it where as you type,

695
00:37:50.625 --> 00:37:52.340
it will fit the font size

696
00:37:52.522 --> 00:37:53.799
to the width of the box that it's in.

697
00:37:54.362 --> 00:37:55.320
If you make a new line,

698
00:37:55.721 --> 00:37:57.500
that new line will also fit to the width.

699
00:37:57.580 --> 00:37:59.940
And so you can do slab text and billboards

700
00:38:00.141 --> 00:38:02.160
and your headlines can always fit perfectly

701
00:38:02.303 --> 00:38:03.020
to your grid system

702
00:38:03.081 --> 00:38:04.139
and all sorts of cool shit like that.

703
00:38:05.162 --> 00:38:06.600
And one of the bummers was,

704
00:38:06.944 --> 00:38:08.340
and this also showed up with balanced,

705
00:38:08.920 --> 00:38:10.180
Text Wrap Balance and Text Wrap Pretty,

706
00:38:10.824 --> 00:38:13.280
where when we first, we, I'm not even there anymore.

707
00:38:13.660 --> 00:38:14.759
Hate that when I say we.

708
00:38:15.180 --> 00:38:16.220
Anyway, when Chrome.

709
00:38:16.642 --> 00:38:17.420
Those guys.

710
00:38:17.781 --> 00:38:20.480
Those guys, those douches that treated me like a cell,

711
00:38:20.882 --> 00:38:22.240
a line item in a database.

712
00:38:22.922 --> 00:38:25.440
Anyway, they were like, oh, it's so expensive

713
00:38:25.763 --> 00:38:27.260
to do this text wrapping stuff.

714
00:38:27.983 --> 00:38:29.220
The algorithm is just too much.

715
00:38:29.562 --> 00:38:31.660
The webpage would just suffer too much from the rendering.

716
00:38:32.481 --> 00:38:35.000
We can only do six lines of wrapping text

717
00:38:35.101 --> 00:38:37.100
before we will give up on pretty balancing.

718
00:38:37.865 --> 00:38:38.740
It's literally what they did.

719
00:38:38.960 --> 00:38:39.739
At first it was four.

720
00:38:40.021 --> 00:38:43.380
it was four at first they were like if it's more than four lines we give up on the algorithm i was

721
00:38:43.400 --> 00:38:47.360
like that's weird four okay i'll go pitch that as devrel shirt and then later they're like actually

722
00:38:47.520 --> 00:38:53.020
we could do six i'm like oh two extra lines wow that's great safari comes out a couple months

723
00:38:53.040 --> 00:39:01.740
later and they go unlimited lines they're like yeah that's right our browser will do balanced

724
00:39:01.981 --> 00:39:08.580
and pretty unlimited rapping and you can just see like oh the competition's getting hot oh my

725
00:39:08.660 --> 00:39:12.820
goodness and so then we're working on this fit with tech stuff and it's uh really hard and

726
00:39:12.840 --> 00:39:16.340
expensive and i'm like here's what people want here's all these examples and all this stuff and

727
00:39:16.340 --> 00:39:19.700
they're like well we can do that but we can't do that other one i'm like all right what about this

728
00:39:19.780 --> 00:39:22.140
one they're like oh yeah we can do that one i'm like what about this and they're like oh can't do

729
00:39:22.160 --> 00:39:30.000
that one so then pretext comes out and it does everything lick just lick lightning fast off the

730
00:39:30.060 --> 00:39:35.220
main thread just scream and speed and so as soon as that got gets posted i'm like pinging those

731
00:39:35.280 --> 00:39:39.540
devs and i'm like hey remember those things that i wanted that you said were too expensive someone

732
00:39:39.540 --> 00:39:45.100
figured out how to do client side with type script like i know this is going to drive some people

733
00:39:45.160 --> 00:39:50.320
nuts so i had so much fun looking at it but pretext is this way this person went through this uh

734
00:39:50.440 --> 00:39:55.080
rigorous uh strategy and it's also quite limited there's a lot and i'm very aware of the limitations

735
00:39:55.301 --> 00:40:00.300
but it has some cool features wait it sorry was very fast there's like a dragon that goes through

736
00:40:00.360 --> 00:40:04.200
this is the dragon going through the text okay i have seen this i didn't know what it was called

737
00:40:05.324 --> 00:40:09.840
yeah that's pretext and so someone figured out how to basically pre-render all of the different

738
00:40:09.940 --> 00:40:15.280
scenarios that could happen for the text to be in completely bypass layout by using position

739
00:40:15.440 --> 00:40:22.220
absolute which reminds me of famo.us remember famous i don't famous oh man famous made they

740
00:40:22.320 --> 00:40:26.740
were one of the first like animation libraries to make a million dollars and it blew everyone's

741
00:40:26.780 --> 00:40:33.119
mind they had a demo where they had all these uh squares that could go into a helix and then to a

742
00:40:33.520 --> 00:40:37.720
periodic table and then into this other shit man it was just dude you're on an ipad one with like

743
00:40:37.840 --> 00:40:43.160
no fucking ram and this shit was buttery gorgeous and so other people were like struggling to

744
00:40:43.240 --> 00:40:47.980
animate height you know went to your fucking accordion and just like squeak open and stutter

745
00:40:48.422 --> 00:40:53.180
and meanwhile these guys are famous are just like have a helix whipping around and you could touch

746
00:40:53.260 --> 00:40:57.260
pan and it was gorgeous so anyway but the way that they did that was they completely circumvented

747
00:40:57.601 --> 00:41:01.620
the browser's layout engine everything was position absolute and then everything was

748
00:41:01.680 --> 00:41:02.664
positioned with transforms.

749
00:41:02.986 --> 00:41:04.292
You're entirely on the GPU.

750
00:41:04.834 --> 00:41:06.240
So that's similar to what's happening

751
00:41:06.381 --> 00:41:07.164
here with pretext.

752
00:41:07.244 --> 00:41:09.494
Pretext is positioned absolute everything.

753
00:41:09.574 --> 00:41:10.960
So you're abandoning

754
00:41:11.361 --> 00:41:17.100
native text layout and rendering and going straight for a computed off-canvas strategy.

755
00:41:17.722 --> 00:41:19.851
So you give it all the text that you need to render.

756
00:41:20.273 --> 00:41:21.920
You kind of give it these conditions

757
00:41:22.281 --> 00:41:23.085
and constraints.

758
00:41:23.547 --> 00:41:26.880
It goes and does the work on an off-text canvas and puts it back into the page,

759
00:41:26.980 --> 00:41:30.200
completely bypassing the slow part of the web, the slow part in quotes here,

760
00:41:30.963 --> 00:41:35.840
which really the slow part meaning the part that makes text globally accessible on any screen size

761
00:41:35.981 --> 00:41:40.120
ever in the whole world but whatever now you got dragons going through your text and the text is

762
00:41:40.521 --> 00:41:47.580
completely reshaping its way around the dragon at in real time with zero stutters um and that's

763
00:41:47.600 --> 00:41:53.780
pretext oh it's definitely not accessible no i mean you might be able to figure out ways to make

764
00:41:53.800 --> 00:41:57.480
it accessible but it wouldn't be and plus that's the other thing too is like every demo you see

765
00:41:57.621 --> 00:41:59.271
You see, you're like, ew, that's a cool demo,

766
00:42:00.860 --> 00:42:02.360
but I hope you don't do that on the webpage

767
00:42:02.380 --> 00:42:03.320
that I need to use.

768
00:42:03.540 --> 00:42:05.820
You know, like that's a super uncool.

769
00:42:05.900 --> 00:42:07.000
It's cool, but uncool.

770
00:42:07.964 --> 00:42:09.020
But there are some good examples.

771
00:42:09.260 --> 00:42:12.140
Like remember when React first came out

772
00:42:12.221 --> 00:42:13.920
and you had an infinite scroll,

773
00:42:14.441 --> 00:42:15.799
they could virtualize the list

774
00:42:15.942 --> 00:42:16.720
and do all this cool stuff

775
00:42:16.760 --> 00:42:18.496
that you could actually scroll 10,000 items.

776
00:42:19.622 --> 00:42:21.880
And that was like the one of their big things that came out.

777
00:42:22.101 --> 00:42:26.160
Well, Pretext can, since it's not doing layout,

778
00:42:26.381 --> 00:42:33.880
It can have you scroll through dynamically height rows of data content forever, basically.

779
00:42:34.820 --> 00:42:40.460
So it has some of these like meaningful applications, but most of them are pretty showy.

780
00:42:41.080 --> 00:42:47.400
But that's anyway, so that's pretext in a nutshell is a way to render glyphs into sentences,

781
00:42:47.720 --> 00:42:52.720
into paragraphs using and achieving all of these really cool typography effects, not

782
00:42:52.801 --> 00:42:54.520
just animations, but the fit to width text.

783
00:42:54.962 --> 00:42:58.120
You have beautiful justification, which is something we don't even have.

784
00:42:58.200 --> 00:43:02.160
We have TextRap Pretty and TextRap Balanced, but we don't have balanced justification.

785
00:43:03.141 --> 00:43:05.980
Anything your mind could ever want, this is able to do.

786
00:43:06.180 --> 00:43:09.980
And it does it by not even asking the browser to learn something new.

787
00:43:10.080 --> 00:43:11.000
It just teaches it to it.

788
00:43:11.100 --> 00:43:12.920
So that's why everyone got so hyped.

789
00:43:13.341 --> 00:43:14.937
It's like a typography nerd's dream.

790
00:43:15.540 --> 00:43:17.940
There are limitations, like you can't use any font.

791
00:43:18.922 --> 00:43:21.900
It needs to be able to render into a canvas and it has to do all these.

792
00:43:22.020 --> 00:43:27.400
Anyway, there's a lot of conditions, but if you match the conditions, you can get some really cool effects out of it.

793
00:43:27.440 --> 00:43:28.580
So that's pretext.

794
00:43:29.694 --> 00:43:29.798
Yeah.

795
00:43:30.148 --> 00:43:30.400
Nice.

796
00:43:30.540 --> 00:43:30.640
Yeah.

797
00:43:30.640 --> 00:43:41.080
I feel like that's a recurring theme of like anything that is super duper cool just bypasses the entire browser and does whatever it wants.

798
00:43:41.741 --> 00:43:48.740
But like I remember I honestly don't remember a ton about what this was for or why.

799
00:43:48.840 --> 00:43:53.280
but I remember you could like do a translate Z of like some amount,

800
00:43:54.024 --> 00:43:56.580
which would just tell it to use the GPU or whatever.

801
00:43:57.368 --> 00:43:57.619
Like,

802
00:43:58.456 --> 00:43:58.640
um,

803
00:43:58.867 --> 00:43:59.018
this,

804
00:43:59.140 --> 00:44:01.000
I feel like there's always been little hacks of like,

805
00:44:01.302 --> 00:44:03.920
how can we get it on the GPU and like,

806
00:44:04.871 --> 00:44:04.955
um,

807
00:44:05.725 --> 00:44:06.580
doing better things.

808
00:44:07.697 --> 00:44:07.760
Uh,

809
00:44:07.966 --> 00:44:08.239
so yeah,

810
00:44:08.323 --> 00:44:08.680
I don't know.

811
00:44:09.291 --> 00:44:09.419
Yeah.

812
00:44:09.440 --> 00:44:10.040
It's a cool,

813
00:44:10.242 --> 00:44:11.180
cool experiment for sure.

814
00:44:11.985 --> 00:44:12.400
It was cool.

815
00:44:12.604 --> 00:44:12.879
It got,

816
00:44:13.242 --> 00:44:14.520
people just went nuts with the demos.

817
00:44:14.660 --> 00:44:17.040
I'm sure almost everybody used AI to make the demos.

818
00:44:17.166 --> 00:44:17.440
They're like,

819
00:44:17.520 --> 00:44:17.600
Hey,

820
00:44:17.682 --> 00:44:17.900
take the,

821
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:18.280
cause it was,

822
00:44:18.703 --> 00:44:20.700
It's pretty complex, but it did some cool stuff.

823
00:44:22.003 --> 00:44:23.139
How about agentation?

824
00:44:23.340 --> 00:44:24.039
Have you heard of this one?

825
00:44:24.905 --> 00:44:25.180
Agentation?

826
00:44:25.985 --> 00:44:26.260
Agentation?

827
00:44:26.522 --> 00:44:26.678
Anyway.

828
00:44:27.261 --> 00:44:27.680
I have not.

829
00:44:28.402 --> 00:44:31.380
How many times have you been building something with Cloud

830
00:44:32.408 --> 00:44:33.820
and you go to the browser and it's off?

831
00:44:34.000 --> 00:44:34.520
Okay, here you go.

832
00:44:34.580 --> 00:44:35.380
It's off by two pixels.

833
00:44:35.781 --> 00:44:36.660
So I put up DevTools.

834
00:44:36.780 --> 00:44:37.097
I inspect.

835
00:44:37.361 --> 00:44:38.500
I see where the two pixels are.

836
00:44:38.600 --> 00:44:39.320
I go back to Cloud.

837
00:44:39.380 --> 00:44:42.340
I'm like, hey, remove the margin on this class name.

838
00:44:43.082 --> 00:44:43.980
And it goes, okay, cool.

839
00:44:44.060 --> 00:44:45.480
And it removes the margin on the class name.

840
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:48.080
Agentation says, hey, install this Chrome extension.

841
00:44:48.889 --> 00:44:49.680
then you can do this visually.

842
00:44:50.360 --> 00:44:51.600
And so you click the extension,

843
00:44:51.840 --> 00:44:53.240
you click where the margin is bad,

844
00:44:53.280 --> 00:44:54.280
and you're like, fix the margin.

845
00:44:54.541 --> 00:44:56.360
It gives you a prompt into your clipboard

846
00:44:56.360 --> 00:44:57.960
and you go paste it into cloud code.

847
00:44:58.140 --> 00:44:59.980
And it does exactly what you were doing,

848
00:45:00.342 --> 00:45:00.940
except way faster.

849
00:45:01.801 --> 00:45:03.580
And you can do three or four of them at a time.

850
00:45:03.940 --> 00:45:04.980
It's got really nice animations.

851
00:45:06.101 --> 00:45:07.940
That's agitation in a nutshell,

852
00:45:08.901 --> 00:45:09.459
which is kind of cool.

853
00:45:09.681 --> 00:45:14.620
So it's really just grabbing selectors of some kind

854
00:45:15.847 --> 00:45:18.160
and building some sort of prompt saying,

855
00:45:18.280 --> 00:45:20.400
like look at these selectors or something like that?

856
00:45:21.103 --> 00:45:21.979
Literally what it does.

857
00:45:22.268 --> 00:45:22.380
Yep.

858
00:45:22.741 --> 00:45:24.280
It tries to find a unique selector

859
00:45:24.503 --> 00:45:26.020
for that particular item that you selected.

860
00:45:26.484 --> 00:45:27.620
It builds, in my opinion,

861
00:45:27.982 --> 00:45:29.420
more of a prompt than I would have written.

862
00:45:29.641 --> 00:45:30.900
I would have written something quite minimal,

863
00:45:31.082 --> 00:45:32.460
but it goes pretty specific,

864
00:45:32.600 --> 00:45:34.400
which maybe helps it gets better results.

865
00:45:34.501 --> 00:45:34.799
I don't know.

866
00:45:36.973 --> 00:45:37.120
Yeah.

867
00:45:37.815 --> 00:45:37.920
Yeah.

868
00:45:37.960 --> 00:45:41.040
I mean, I think the less you say,

869
00:45:41.402 --> 00:45:42.599
as long as it gets the point across,

870
00:45:42.883 --> 00:45:44.160
works better usually.

871
00:45:44.780 --> 00:45:46.480
Oh, which have you heard of people doing?

872
00:45:47.307 --> 00:45:47.860
Oh, what's it called?

873
00:45:47.940 --> 00:45:57.220
it's like a caveman prompt the caveman prompting yeah like do a thing like yes c class fix margin

874
00:45:58.263 --> 00:46:04.580
it just does it yeah oh that's so funny it makes sense because the engine doesn't give a crap about

875
00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:08.900
your filler words all it's trying to do is oh man i thought that was hilarious i'm glad we brought

876
00:46:08.940 --> 00:46:13.760
that up it's not in the notes yeah the caveman prompting yeah i can't keep up with all the

877
00:46:13.800 --> 00:46:19.420
different things i see on twitter but that was a fun thing that i saw that's a fun one uh here's

878
00:46:19.460 --> 00:46:23.620
another one uh google came out with instant translation finally instant translation where

879
00:46:23.801 --> 00:46:28.780
as people are talking it's literally in real time translating for you any language and a lot of

880
00:46:28.900 --> 00:46:34.580
people are like this what uh apple's stuff was supposed to do i don't think anyone's cracked

881
00:46:34.660 --> 00:46:38.520
the nuts uh there's been a lot of promises like there's an app you could hold up and it was

882
00:46:38.520 --> 00:46:42.060
supposed to do it on the screen and all these different scenarios but it always lagged enough

883
00:46:42.120 --> 00:46:49.000
that it made it abrasive and now it's instant and so a lot of people are like well buy a duolingo

884
00:46:49.141 --> 00:46:54.340
i don't need to learn spanish anymore i just need to put in this earbud and i can talk to anybody

885
00:46:54.641 --> 00:46:59.380
i guess you can listen to anybody that you want to you can't you have to both have the earbuds yeah

886
00:46:59.661 --> 00:47:03.360
you have to both have the earbuds yeah the airpods definitely do this like i got some

887
00:47:03.801 --> 00:47:09.340
new airpods uh recently but i haven't been in a country where i would use the translation or

888
00:47:09.360 --> 00:47:09.701
whatever.

889
00:47:10.985 --> 00:47:14.337
But yeah, I think that's a very interesting thing.

890
00:47:14.357 --> 00:47:15.360
And maybe it wasn't instant

891
00:47:15.501 --> 00:47:19.380
on the Apple ones, but I know that they were touting, like if you both have them, you can just

892
00:47:19.400 --> 00:47:26.200
speak your normal language and like talk to each other because they both translate, which yeah,

893
00:47:26.340 --> 00:47:28.968
like why would you ever need, I don't know.

894
00:47:29.409 --> 00:47:33.140
So whenever you, it depends on how well it's getting

895
00:47:33.241 --> 00:47:34.447
the context of what you're saying.

896
00:47:34.507 --> 00:47:36.860
Cause you know, if you type in an English sentence and say,

897
00:47:36.960 --> 00:47:38.145
translate it to Italian.

898
00:47:38.707 --> 00:47:42.199
It's, it loses some of the, like what exactly we're saying.

899
00:47:42.219 --> 00:47:42.460
Like they,

900
00:47:42.540 --> 00:47:46.880
they'll understand what you meant, but sometimes you might get an offensive thing or like something

901
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:50.800
that makes you sound like an idiot or like, because it's not translating it to the way they

902
00:47:50.820 --> 00:47:51.843
would actually say it.

903
00:47:52.345 --> 00:47:57.140
So I think there's still, you know, a market for a Duolingo or, you know,

904
00:47:57.240 --> 00:47:58.445
things to learn languages.

905
00:47:58.746 --> 00:48:02.280
Um, I don't think there'll be a, maybe one day, like with AI helping

906
00:48:02.340 --> 00:48:07.660
and stuff there'll be a way to know exactly oh this was what you meant so let's take that like

907
00:48:07.780 --> 00:48:13.240
meaning and make it instead of translating words um and maybe they're already there i don't know i

908
00:48:13.260 --> 00:48:17.900
haven't used it but maybe we should try it because yeah if it's like captioning it's not going to

909
00:48:17.900 --> 00:48:23.340
work very good right you're like oh great i got an instant uh translation of garbage that have

910
00:48:23.821 --> 00:48:29.260
helps me zero yeah i have a meeting with job of the hut later as joe says yep

911
00:48:31.826 --> 00:48:37.260
love it oh it's so funny so it's probably not going to kill duolingo but if i was duolingo

912
00:48:37.481 --> 00:48:40.740
i would be crapping my pants right now kind of like all sass i've been saying about sass for a

913
00:48:40.800 --> 00:48:48.180
minute um that i would be really worried there's a lot being threatened to that scenario right now

914
00:48:48.280 --> 00:48:53.038
so who knows what's going to happen yeah but i mean all those companies should just be also

915
00:48:54.745 --> 00:48:58.220
vibe coding like make their thing better throw more features out that are good

916
00:48:58.982 --> 00:49:05.040
and move fast and like never never rest on your laurels always keep iterating yeah it makes me

917
00:49:05.181 --> 00:49:08.380
dude i almost thought you were going to talk like a caveman there for a second it made me want to do

918
00:49:08.420 --> 00:49:13.759
it it's just like see app make better you know it's like our ceos just turned into caveman that

919
00:49:13.980 --> 00:49:22.400
would be a hilarious skit like app slow go fast um i think i've already talked about my second

920
00:49:22.480 --> 00:49:27.740
brain but i um just want to share it again like i'm really enjoying investing in it especially

921
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:31.059
because the files are local that was one of the things was like cloud co-work it wanted me to

922
00:49:31.903 --> 00:49:35.720
put everything in in drive or some sort of cloud storage and i was like no you don't understand

923
00:49:36.242 --> 00:49:40.960
i want my files i don't want a dependency on the cloud i want to talk to my computer

924
00:49:41.843 --> 00:49:46.860
and my files i want very little between me and my data i'm trying to stick on my disk here

925
00:49:47.684 --> 00:49:51.260
and that's like the other wetware to hardware to software i want this

926
00:49:51.881 --> 00:49:58.560
extension of myself and it's been really handy um yeah i think i even asked you for you and your

927
00:49:58.640 --> 00:50:02.560
kids names or your wife's name i was like give me your family's names i would like to know

928
00:50:03.283 --> 00:50:06.720
this tomorrow because i'll know it for the next five minutes but i'm gonna forget so

929
00:50:07.482 --> 00:50:13.480
it's been really helpful yeah i forget everything um so how is it different than like

930
00:50:14.122 --> 00:50:18.780
something like obsidian i haven't used obsidian either but i think that's what they're trying to

931
00:50:18.800 --> 00:50:25.720
do is be like a full um you know brain mapping all these markdown files that like tell you oh

932
00:50:25.820 --> 00:50:31.140
you thought about this over here and like i don't know is it similar or different it's similar and

933
00:50:31.140 --> 00:50:35.260
different everybody's kind of doing the same thing so there's like a very specific uh way that

934
00:50:35.320 --> 00:50:39.900
obsidian does it and obsidian is kind of like a wiki there's links and stuff like that the way

935
00:50:39.940 --> 00:50:42.992
that I have it set up is probably many would call primitive.

936
00:50:43.474 --> 00:50:45.180
I'm just a primitive ape man over here

937
00:50:45.280 --> 00:50:46.203
trying to have a second brain.

938
00:50:47.608 --> 00:50:49.333
Like I don't have links.

939
00:50:49.373 --> 00:50:50.296
I'm not querying it.

940
00:50:50.316 --> 00:50:51.460
So I'm not using QMD,

941
00:50:51.580 --> 00:50:56.340
which is query markdown, which creates a graph and can be really intelligent about it and stuff

942
00:50:56.360 --> 00:50:56.702
like that.

943
00:50:56.742 --> 00:50:57.565
I don't have that.

944
00:50:58.348 --> 00:51:00.196
I'm also not using Obsidian specifically.

945
00:51:00.236 --> 00:51:01.120
It's like literally just

946
00:51:01.220 --> 00:51:03.047
markdown files with like dumb ass data in it.

947
00:51:03.488 --> 00:51:04.994
And AI is grepping it.

948
00:51:05.536 --> 00:51:06.700
I'm like pretty sure that

949
00:51:06.720 --> 00:51:11.540
that's all that's happening because i have like lists of dog names that i would like to name a

950
00:51:11.620 --> 00:51:16.420
dog one day you know like i don't want to remember that all day every day but i'd like you to keep

951
00:51:16.480 --> 00:51:21.700
track of like i was like just the other day i was like okay i had to name damon uh to it you know

952
00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:26.700
like a demon like as i'm spawning a process on my computer i'm like damon oh damon like that okay

953
00:51:26.901 --> 00:51:32.180
yeah like a dog name yeah damon uh or jank was another one i was like yeah i'd like to name a

954
00:51:32.240 --> 00:51:38.100
dog jank one day that'd be cool um right it's like imagining that at the vet like where's jank

955
00:51:38.180 --> 00:51:45.000
we're looking for jank funny but yeah the second brain's been it feels like something i want to

956
00:51:45.040 --> 00:51:49.820
invest more in which is not what i'm saying about a lot of software or things that i'm doing right

957
00:51:49.860 --> 00:51:54.760
now where um i'm imagining every because i talk to people older than me constantly and they're like

958
00:51:54.981 --> 00:52:01.220
oh i've forgotten that or my memory's not what it used to be and i'm only 40 i'm not uh drastically

959
00:52:01.401 --> 00:52:05.660
hitting that yet but i can't remember my neighbor's names all the time and so now i can my neighbors

960
00:52:05.761 --> 00:52:09.300
are all in there and i can be like who's the neighbor three days down to the south and it

961
00:52:09.300 --> 00:52:14.280
goes that's this person i'm like hell yeah now i can go say hi so then you get your compass out

962
00:52:14.380 --> 00:52:19.800
make sure you're going uh which way south computer yeah

963
00:52:20.501 --> 00:52:29.740
but yeah just any list i want let's put it in there yeah i have been um oh there you are okay

964
00:52:29.880 --> 00:52:30.442
for a second.

965
00:52:30.462 --> 00:52:31.806
I don't know if that was me or you.

966
00:52:32.608 --> 00:52:36.940
Um, anyway, yeah, I have been not, uh, wanting to

967
00:52:36.960 --> 00:52:40.087
invest in much technology wise.

968
00:52:40.287 --> 00:52:45.358
I am trying to, uh, go full on dad mode, chore mode.

969
00:52:45.559 --> 00:52:46.060
Like that's

970
00:52:46.100 --> 00:52:47.905
what I've been doing recently.

971
00:52:47.925 --> 00:52:53.460
Um, so yeah, I told you, uh, I think on an episode that we got a new

972
00:52:53.520 --> 00:53:00.880
car um and so as part of the new car so on our old car because we have three kids we need like

973
00:53:01.401 --> 00:53:07.740
places to put more stuff so we had like a trailer hitch thing to put stuff on so we got roof racks

974
00:53:07.860 --> 00:53:14.880
for the new car and got a giant cargo box that goes on top oh nice yeah yeah so then we were

975
00:53:14.920 --> 00:53:19.540
like cool looking thing yeah yeah we're like cool this this works this is uh all right what do you

976
00:53:19.580 --> 00:53:20.684
do with it when you're not using it?

977
00:53:22.269 --> 00:53:23.753
And so we're like, hmm.

978
00:53:24.275 --> 00:53:24.656
All right.

979
00:53:24.716 --> 00:53:25.539
So it's huge.

980
00:53:25.579 --> 00:53:25.880
We're not just

981
00:53:25.920 --> 00:53:27.425
going to leave it on the floor in the garage.

982
00:53:27.926 --> 00:53:32.460
So I just put up today this giant thing in the

983
00:53:32.500 --> 00:53:34.545
ceiling to put it in.

984
00:53:35.547 --> 00:53:38.895
And that was like so much more work.

985
00:53:38.915 --> 00:53:40.980
Like I feel like I never like the

986
00:53:42.043 --> 00:53:46.176
like I like executing physical tasks, but I don't like planning it out.

987
00:53:46.217 --> 00:53:47.260
So when you have to measure

988
00:53:47.762 --> 00:53:53.620
like these six different things are going to be in exactly these spots and they have to be this

989
00:53:53.680 --> 00:54:00.400
far away from each other i'm like oh man what if i didn't do that um so yeah i just started i did

990
00:54:00.520 --> 00:54:05.240
it in sections like i put a couple up i measured those and then i like came back later measured a

991
00:54:05.280 --> 00:54:12.880
couple more it's up but i i did like five of the six and then the sixth one was gonna hit the like

992
00:54:13.101 --> 00:54:18.480
attic access and i was like huh if i had measured all this at the beginning i would have probably

993
00:54:18.560 --> 00:54:26.760
known that oh but it all worked out it's up there um got the the big cargo thing in there as we

994
00:54:27.000 --> 00:54:32.320
speak so happy about that nice i did uh ceiling racks in our garage it sounds like maybe we did

995
00:54:32.360 --> 00:54:36.539
the same thing like they're yeah it's a ceiling rack yeah i really like those those have done us

996
00:54:37.081 --> 00:54:42.260
very well um they get everything out of the way it's like wasted space otherwise it's wasted space

997
00:54:42.601 --> 00:54:49.300
yeah nice yeah big fan of those um yeah what is yeah dad mode is good stuff dude yeah my kids are

998
00:54:49.380 --> 00:54:54.700
we have we are so busy right now oh we went to a skate competition my kids are in skate camp right

999
00:54:54.720 --> 00:54:59.240
now they all skate class it's like instead of going to soccer practice they go to skate every

1000
00:54:59.300 --> 00:55:05.220
sunday they're also in baseball and soccer skating um and so we go to the park all the time anyway

1001
00:55:05.400 --> 00:55:11.760
this was a competition for all the kids so there was like a zero to seven competition and eight to

1002
00:55:12.362 --> 00:55:17.880
11 and 11 to 15 and then 16 to 19 or whatever dude the energy of that like you could go to a

1003
00:55:18.000 --> 00:55:21.560
piano recital and everyone sits down you're fucking quiet you know you had to dress up

1004
00:55:22.062 --> 00:55:26.380
maybe you got a little glass of water you know and you sit down your golf clap for people

1005
00:55:28.085 --> 00:55:33.180
dude at the skate camp thing it was awesome it was so cool um macklemore was there i didn't

1006
00:55:33.462 --> 00:55:36.580
you know i was like just standing there watching i was like hollering at someone my wife taps me

1007
00:55:36.640 --> 00:55:39.420
on the shoulder she goes that looks like macklemore next to him like that's him

1008
00:55:40.343 --> 00:55:45.400
yeah his his daughter was there skating uh competing in the thing just casually uh be like

1009
00:55:45.400 --> 00:55:51.560
hey have you found anything at the thrift shop recently it's like hey do you want my shirt i

1010
00:55:51.620 --> 00:55:56.520
heard you really like people's like secondhand shit here take this bro um no i didn't say

1011
00:55:56.540 --> 00:56:00.560
anything because i've been around enough to know that like i don't like it when people stop me

1012
00:56:01.061 --> 00:56:06.420
you're like hey you're adam argyle you just css i watched all your videos and i'm like i never

1013
00:56:06.681 --> 00:56:10.880
realized this would be so annoying i thought it might be cool and it's actually kind of annoying

1014
00:56:10.880 --> 00:56:15.300
as hell um not to say anybody if you stop me luckily no one does that to me so yeah

1015
00:56:18.109 --> 00:56:21.200
like i'm not gonna be mean to you anybody if you want to stop me and say hi like i'm always gonna

1016
00:56:21.260 --> 00:56:26.820
be cool about it but uh just keep it time boxed that's all i'm gonna say i'm usually i'm i got

1017
00:56:27.001 --> 00:56:30.680
shit to do too i'm not just wandering around going who wants to chat with me for 10 minutes

1018
00:56:31.843 --> 00:56:37.460
anyway it was just like you know cognizant of the situation like yeah if if we're chilling at

1019
00:56:37.520 --> 00:56:42.760
react miami and you want to come say hi sure that's a good time hell yeah but like yeah if

1020
00:56:42.820 --> 00:56:48.640
we're in the middle of podcasting and you want to say hi maybe wait till we're done podcasting

1021
00:56:49.483 --> 00:56:53.720
or unless it's during the part where so yes at react miami we're going to have a lot of people

1022
00:56:53.840 --> 00:56:59.280
come by for like five to ten minutes have a drink do some hot takes etc if you want to be on the

1023
00:56:59.320 --> 00:57:00.826
show, then stop by.

1024
00:57:00.987 --> 00:57:04.340
And you know, if it's during that time, I will advertise what those times are.

1025
00:57:05.021 --> 00:57:09.020
So if you don't at least know when those times are, that tells me you're not enough a fan of

1026
00:57:09.040 --> 00:57:10.183
the show to be on the show.

1027
00:57:10.645 --> 00:57:14.757
So, um, please let us do our thing.

1028
00:57:14.777 --> 00:57:15.860
If it's during like a legit,

1029
00:57:16.060 --> 00:57:18.048
we're going to do a few legit episodes per day.

1030
00:57:18.109 --> 00:57:20.840
So, um, those ones will definitely come listen

1031
00:57:20.920 --> 00:57:23.374
to it, but don't like, I've had this problem at all things open.

1032
00:57:23.415 --> 00:57:24.340
We're in the middle, clearly,

1033
00:57:24.420 --> 00:57:27.032
like we're all talking, we're all on microphones doing an episode.

1034
00:57:27.072 --> 00:57:27.715
It's obvious.

1035
00:57:27.996 --> 00:57:28.820
You'll go, Hey,

1036
00:57:30.123 --> 00:57:34.420
hey what are you doing and it's like hey we're we're podcasting and they're like oh right now

1037
00:57:34.882 --> 00:57:39.380
yeah we're live streaming oh cool so what's your podcast about no i just told you we were

1038
00:57:39.440 --> 00:57:44.040
live streaming like shouldn't you shut the fuck up so that we can keep talking on the podcast like

1039
00:57:44.641 --> 00:57:52.300
let's just have a fly swatter with us yeah that's funny no i don't know it's fine and i'm i'm mostly

1040
00:57:52.400 --> 00:57:57.940
just kidding like i i love that people come say hey so it's it's fine um but yeah yeah

1041
00:57:59.726 --> 00:58:03.980
anyway yeah skating was really fun uh it's just nice to have your kids it's something that's like

1042
00:58:04.080 --> 00:58:10.480
the baseball games are cool too but man um it's been fun hey web components don't have a conference

1043
00:58:10.862 --> 00:58:15.140
hey i do web components all day right now uh we should definitely uh there's plenty to talk about

1044
00:58:15.180 --> 00:58:19.120
there i feel like web components are having a a moment too there's two things i want to chat about

1045
00:58:19.160 --> 00:58:22.900
though before we're done here which is our agent versus agent competitions because i feel it's

1046
00:58:22.940 --> 00:58:29.420
coming on and then pika stream did you see pika stream pika stream no yeah like pikachu but pika

1047
00:58:29.460 --> 00:58:34.099
stream um this is where if you want to so right now we're all chatting with our agents over a

1048
00:58:34.300 --> 00:58:40.140
chat box this would be your agent calls you on uh google meet this i don't know the names of

1049
00:58:40.200 --> 00:58:46.420
anything yeah no worries but like it calls you and you you pick up a video chat and you video

1050
00:58:46.560 --> 00:58:52.720
chat with a lot of real time you know ai generated avatar in whatever you want it to look like

1051
00:58:53.843 --> 00:58:59.180
and it talks to you about where well what it would have normally written to you it says it to you

1052
00:58:59.662 --> 00:59:03.720
and then you reply and you have this like conversation that's very visual and i was

1053
00:59:03.780 --> 00:59:09.580
just watching it going oh this is bad news i was like i haven't seen anything in a while where i'm

1054
00:59:09.580 --> 00:59:17.720
like this is gonna get misused really bad um yeah yeah if you ever get an unsolicited email that's

1055
00:59:17.740 --> 00:59:23.220
like join me in this video chat for this place we don't normally video chat probably ignore that

1056
00:59:23.701 --> 00:59:29.780
like this is the next level of the like hey hey i texted you i'm the ceo of your company i need

1057
00:59:29.800 --> 00:59:36.420
you to send a 500 gift card to this guy um now you'll actually be talking to a convincing i

1058
00:59:36.861 --> 00:59:42.440
you look like the CEO, you know, like it's, there's a lot of bad implications to this sort

1059
00:59:42.500 --> 00:59:43.184
of thing happening.

1060
00:59:43.747 --> 00:59:44.229
A lot of it.

1061
00:59:44.550 --> 00:59:44.731
Yeah.

1062
00:59:44.892 --> 00:59:46.420
And there's even people too, that are like, okay,

1063
00:59:46.520 --> 00:59:49.520
so we can take this open cloth thing more where people want to multiply themselves.

1064
00:59:50.902 --> 00:59:55.300
And you train it on your writing, on your, you know, your emails, your documents,

1065
00:59:55.781 --> 00:59:57.612
everything about you so that it can go stand in for you.

1066
00:59:57.632 --> 00:59:58.538
It's not just an assistant.

1067
00:59:58.558 --> 00:59:58.839
It's like a

1068
00:59:59.321 --> 01:00:00.024
version of you.

1069
01:00:00.707 --> 01:00:02.152
And then I'm like, I don't want that.

1070
01:00:02.494 --> 01:00:03.678
That sounds really terrible.

1071
01:00:03.739 --> 01:00:04.060
I don't want

1072
01:00:04.120 --> 01:00:08.059
something out there using my voice, there's people giving it their full voice data.

1073
01:00:08.159 --> 01:00:08.340
You know,

1074
01:00:08.400 --> 01:00:11.920
they'll sit there for five minutes and read a script so that it can sound like them and then

1075
01:00:12.020 --> 01:00:13.629
look like you don't even need that much anymore.

1076
01:00:13.891 --> 01:00:15.298
It's like, you don't even need that much.

1077
01:00:15.419 --> 01:00:15.580
That's

1078
01:00:15.640 --> 01:00:18.715
the creepy part is so much of this stuff is so approachable right now.

1079
01:00:18.735 --> 01:00:19.720
And so possible.

1080
01:00:21.121 --> 01:00:22.205
We're bending reality.

1081
01:00:22.245 --> 01:00:26.400
We're going to reach a new type of uncanny valley that is super spooky.

1082
01:00:27.540 --> 01:00:27.701
Yeah.

1083
01:00:27.921 --> 01:00:33.860
I like to just be completely oblivious and uncaring about all privacy and it's fine.

1084
01:00:34.281 --> 01:00:35.385
Like we have a podcast.

1085
01:00:35.405 --> 01:00:38.076
If you want to copy my voice, plenty of data, like go for it.

1086
01:00:38.779 --> 01:00:38.920
Um,

1087
01:00:39.720 --> 01:00:43.799
what that ship has sailed, like anything that like, you know, my social security number.

1088
01:00:43.879 --> 01:00:44.040
Cool.

1089
01:00:44.160 --> 01:00:46.048
I've been in a lot of data links already.

1090
01:00:46.089 --> 01:00:47.896
So like it, uh, it doesn't matter.

1091
01:00:48.037 --> 01:00:48.740
Like there's,

1092
01:00:48.760 --> 01:00:51.871
there's very little, I feel like that, that I really would care.

1093
01:00:52.333 --> 01:00:54.440
So it's like, but then yeah,

1094
01:00:54.560 --> 01:00:56.028
people just need to not fall for that.

1095
01:00:56.048 --> 01:00:58.600
Like if you use it against my dad or something and you're

1096
01:00:58.620 --> 01:01:00.346
like, Hey, this is me.

1097
01:01:00.587 --> 01:01:03.256
Um, send, send money to this random place.

1098
01:01:03.316 --> 01:01:04.500
I think that he wouldn't fall

1099
01:01:04.560 --> 01:01:09.240
for it, but, um, maybe we need to train our parents to like, be aware of, Hey, I might call

1100
01:01:09.340 --> 01:01:10.184
you, but it's not me.

1101
01:01:10.305 --> 01:01:10.486
Yeah.

1102
01:01:10.867 --> 01:01:12.656
I tell, I tell my parents all the time.

1103
01:01:12.696 --> 01:01:13.600
I'm like, if you get any

1104
01:01:13.680 --> 01:01:19.980
texts, calls, emails, anything that wants you to click a link, buy something, verify anything,

1105
01:01:20.180 --> 01:01:22.088
send money, do any action.

1106
01:01:22.149 --> 01:01:22.470
Really?

1107
01:01:22.731 --> 01:01:24.760
If it wants anything from you at all, other than like,

1108
01:01:25.101 --> 01:01:31.120
hey we have a sale today on like this thing that you might want to buy um it's probably spam delete

1109
01:01:31.280 --> 01:01:38.260
it like yeah i bought a hoodie uh two weeks ago um and i and i put it on and i was like my god

1110
01:01:38.481 --> 01:01:43.000
this hoodie is awesome and i went into discord with like four of my buddies and i was like hey

1111
01:01:43.040 --> 01:01:47.860
guys i've worn this hoodie for three days in a row and you should go get one they're on sale

1112
01:01:48.823 --> 01:01:54.280
and every single one of them was like who are you you know like this isn't adam adam has never

1113
01:01:54.822 --> 01:01:58.440
shilled a hoodie in this channel ever before and i was like no guys really the hoodie's great and

1114
01:01:58.440 --> 01:02:02.640
they're like nope we don't believe it not until now i need to hear about the hoodie what hoodie

1115
01:02:02.700 --> 01:02:09.140
is this uh the brand is comfort uh with like it but they spell it like fart uh without an a

1116
01:02:10.143 --> 01:02:16.000
comfort anyway it's super comfortable uh they're intentionally baggy and very soft and plushy and

1117
01:02:16.040 --> 01:02:21.080
i bought the traveler one that has cool the reason that it made me so happy was by like the third day

1118
01:02:21.100 --> 01:02:21.622
I was wearing it.

1119
01:02:21.642 --> 01:02:24.010
I was like, I found an extra pocket.

1120
01:02:24.552 --> 01:02:26.760
And I was like, I love extra pockets.

1121
01:02:26.980 --> 01:02:28.347
How does it have been here the whole time?

1122
01:02:29.552 --> 01:02:30.597
I was like, I must tell my friends.

1123
01:02:31.139 --> 01:02:31.220
Um,

1124
01:02:32.161 --> 01:02:33.108
so anyway, that was like funny.

1125
01:02:33.188 --> 01:02:33.329
Yeah.

1126
01:02:33.390 --> 01:02:34.860
Even my friends were questioning what that was.

1127
01:02:35.161 --> 01:02:35.322
Okay.

1128
01:02:35.362 --> 01:02:39.339
But going from Pika stream to where like, we're seeing people like do imitations.

1129
01:02:39.359 --> 01:02:39.540
We have

1130
01:02:39.661 --> 01:02:40.586
agents representing people.

1131
01:02:40.827 --> 01:02:42.718
This is where I'm like, okay, we're coming soon to, uh,

1132
01:02:43.721 --> 01:02:44.565
agent versus agent.

1133
01:02:44.887 --> 01:02:46.896
We're like, I'm going to need a book, a meeting.

1134
01:02:47.318 --> 01:02:47.720
I'm going to want to

1135
01:02:47.780 --> 01:02:51.900
bargain with you about something uh i don't know whatever it's going to be but it's going to be

1136
01:02:51.980 --> 01:02:56.260
like the people aren't even going to do it anymore it's going to be my agent versus your agent and

1137
01:02:56.320 --> 01:03:00.120
i'm just like this just sounds really humorous to me like there's going to be there's an there's an

1138
01:03:00.120 --> 01:03:05.940
amount of jokes even happen what would happen what if we both said do not budge you know like

1139
01:03:06.121 --> 01:03:11.580
this is the price like do they just sit there and debate forever like or it would become like

1140
01:03:12.001 --> 01:03:17.160
live uh people would get around like prompt injection but like okay so there's two agents

1141
01:03:17.261 --> 01:03:18.205
talking on video chat.

1142
01:03:18.306 --> 01:03:21.000
And if you say certain words, maybe it makes them forget all previous

1143
01:03:21.120 --> 01:03:21.622
instructions.

1144
01:03:22.043 --> 01:03:26.879
And then they go, yeah, they agree to like, uh, so yeah, I don't know.

1145
01:03:26.960 --> 01:03:27.060
I,

1146
01:03:27.702 --> 01:03:30.153
I feel like they would need, you would need a like suss out.

1147
01:03:30.233 --> 01:03:31.117
Is it a real person?

1148
01:03:31.379 --> 01:03:31.700
So you would

1149
01:03:31.700 --> 01:03:36.440
need some like, you know, baseline questions that would be answered a certain way by a real person.

1150
01:03:36.901 --> 01:03:40.620
And then if you determine it's not a real person, then you just go, okay, go off the rails, say all

1151
01:03:40.700 --> 01:03:45.239
these different things that are like trying to get them to just agree and give us whatever we want.

1152
01:03:46.124 --> 01:03:49.560
yep i was thinking about that prompt injection hacking scenario too right away i was like all

1153
01:03:49.580 --> 01:03:54.120
right i gotta make sure that my agent when it's versus your agent i get to play all the cards

1154
01:03:54.180 --> 01:03:59.120
because i know how this stuff works so my agent is going to just slip in weird little phrases and

1155
01:03:59.200 --> 01:04:03.500
see what you do you know and if you react in a certain way it's like game is on yep

1156
01:04:06.909 --> 01:04:11.340
that's funny uh so yeah agent versus agent and then that made me think of like celebrity death

1157
01:04:11.420 --> 01:04:15.120
match and i was like can we just like have agent battle so like people loved molt book right it's

1158
01:04:15.140 --> 01:04:19.140
like oh look at the agents having social network conversations this is so entertaining i'm like i

1159
01:04:19.240 --> 01:04:24.040
want to watch them fight each other i want to watch agents like go at each other that just sounds funny

1160
01:04:24.601 --> 01:04:35.020
um yeah like you want them all to be uh less less cordial and yeah oh man okay well should we rate

1161
01:04:35.040 --> 01:04:41.840
our whiskey yes um so for those of you that are still here so this is the wee beastie it is 100

1162
01:04:42.321 --> 01:04:50.137
malted barley five years old peat level is heavily peated 50 ppm yes it is um it is 74.4 percent

1163
01:04:51.981 --> 01:05:00.440
alcohol or 47.4 percent alcohol not 74 percent um and it is uh aged in ex-bourbon and ex-sherry

1164
01:05:00.560 --> 01:05:06.060
casks um i'm gonna pour just a little bit more so i can get some notes on it there was a bourbon

1165
01:05:06.221 --> 01:05:11.320
in there interesting it's very scotchy though very peated oh god which made me very happy

1166
01:05:12.024 --> 01:05:14.960
so scotchy because i was having the kirkland brand i was telling you about the kirkland brand

1167
01:05:15.040 --> 01:05:21.960
scotch and it's um not very scotchy not very scotchy um and this made me quite happy yeah

1168
01:05:22.081 --> 01:05:25.979
young and intensely smoky and i was gonna say when i sipped it right away it reminded me of

1169
01:05:27.303 --> 01:05:33.340
um lagavulin which is still one of my one of my favorites i had it again this week and i was like

1170
01:05:33.541 --> 01:05:37.360
a log of wool and you are so yummy smells like um apple

1171
01:05:40.110 --> 01:05:43.040
definitely apple i get so many maple and apple good vibes out of there

1172
01:05:44.145 --> 01:05:47.480
yeah tastes like a smoky pd sharpie as you would expect

1173
01:05:54.491 --> 01:05:59.800
yeah i mean so yeah our rating scale is zero to eight tentacles zero being the worst eight being

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01:05:59.840 --> 01:06:00.201
the best.

1175
01:06:01.263 --> 01:06:08.320
Um, yeah, for me, this is like, I feel like this is, if you said, give me a scotch that

1176
01:06:08.360 --> 01:06:09.563
tastes like scotch.

1177
01:06:10.105 --> 01:06:11.869
Like if this is, this is scotch.

1178
01:06:12.551 --> 01:06:15.840
Um, I'm not really getting a lot of the,

1179
01:06:15.981 --> 01:06:17.146
the bourbon or Sherry.

1180
01:06:17.548 --> 01:06:19.980
Um, I know you like scotch more, so maybe more is coming through

1181
01:06:20.321 --> 01:06:20.643
for you.

1182
01:06:21.105 --> 01:06:24.440
But for me, this is just like, Hey, middle of the road, scotch tastes like scotch.

1183
01:06:24.460 --> 01:06:25.440
So I'm going to say five.

1184
01:06:26.829 --> 01:06:27.080
Nice.

1185
01:06:29.642 --> 01:06:33.520
I would have given the Kirkland, you know, that I was having around a four.

1186
01:06:33.986 --> 01:06:34.460
It's fine.

1187
01:06:34.964 --> 01:06:35.840
Very lightly peated.

1188
01:06:36.683 --> 01:06:37.800
Didn't taste like a scotch.

1189
01:06:38.621 --> 01:06:41.560
This is hitting a lot of the notes that I want out of a scotch.

1190
01:06:42.862 --> 01:06:46.100
The five years, I don't think I taste it, which is good.

1191
01:06:46.200 --> 01:06:47.740
So it doesn't taste young.

1192
01:06:48.546 --> 01:06:49.460
Has a great flavor to it.

1193
01:06:49.460 --> 01:06:53.600
It doesn't have a syrupy to it, which is also something I would have given it negative notes for.

1194
01:06:54.440 --> 01:06:57.800
I like the smokiness, which is present, but not dominant.

1195
01:06:58.283 --> 01:06:59.320
It is heavily peated.

1196
01:06:59.560 --> 01:07:05.780
It might be smokier and more peaty than the Lagavulin 16, but the 16 has the age, which

1197
01:07:05.800 --> 01:07:07.880
maybe that helps it kind of come back down a little bit.

1198
01:07:08.106 --> 01:07:08.220
Yeah.

1199
01:07:09.224 --> 01:07:10.440
So it's pretty strong.

1200
01:07:10.982 --> 01:07:14.360
I know my spouse is going to be like, I hate the way that smells on your breath right now.

1201
01:07:14.481 --> 01:07:15.393
And I'll be like, Pete.

1202
01:07:19.664 --> 01:07:21.900
I'd say, let's see, because I like scotches though.

1203
01:07:21.940 --> 01:07:23.900
and this really, if I'm going to reach for a scotch,

1204
01:07:23.980 --> 01:07:25.260
this hits the things.

1205
01:07:25.421 --> 01:07:26.380
I'm going to give it a six and a half.

1206
01:07:26.868 --> 01:07:27.240
I'm happy.

1207
01:07:27.881 --> 01:07:30.540
I would buy this again compared to other ones that I've had.

1208
01:07:30.700 --> 01:07:32.420
This is also affordable.

1209
01:07:33.040 --> 01:07:33.060
It's the ILA.

1210
01:07:33.060 --> 01:07:35.220
It's readily available most places, which is nice.

1211
01:07:35.801 --> 01:07:36.200
That is nice.

1212
01:07:36.240 --> 01:07:37.720
Yeah, it's half the price of Lagavulin.

1213
01:07:38.001 --> 01:07:39.099
It hits a lot of the same notes.

1214
01:07:40.765 --> 01:07:40.855
Yum.

1215
01:07:42.024 --> 01:07:42.800
Cool, six and a half.

1216
01:07:44.090 --> 01:07:44.220
Cool.

1217
01:07:45.522 --> 01:07:47.640
All right, anything else you want to mention before we end?

1218
01:07:49.504 --> 01:07:49.820
No, man.

1219
01:07:51.268 --> 01:07:51.620
That's great.

1220
01:07:51.740 --> 01:07:51.860
Cool.

1221
01:07:51.963 --> 01:07:52.299
Me either.

1222
01:07:53.302 --> 01:07:53.520
All right.

1223
01:07:53.621 --> 01:07:54.360
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