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There has been an 80-year cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligence life.

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Covered up by elements of the US government, but this past Friday, the first tranche of evidence was released to the public.

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The evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology.

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They're all over the place.

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But the people involved in gatekeeping this information don't think the public can handle the truth.

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People have had their lives threatened.

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A lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know.

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And this has been kept from even sitting present.

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And I've interviewed high-level intelligence officials, government officials, and there have been UAP crashes over the years.

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And in some cases, the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-human citizens.

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And now we have people on ships seeing these things in the end of the water.

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We've seen enough times under enough different conditions that we just have to accept that it's real.

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So what exactly is inside this report?

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We have so many sightings even access to materials.

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And there's a number of files, reports, video, and still images that were declassified.

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And the most notable piece of evidence in there is this.

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So I have so many questions.

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You're probably familiar with this NASA report.

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They essentially say that they didn't believe that these UAPs are aliens.

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Why would NASA be lying?

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Is there a reason why this stuff hasn't been captured on like an iPhone?

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Are they currently living amongst us?

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Do you trust the Trump administration to release all of the available information?

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I think eventually we'll get to that moment that we've all only seen in movies,

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where I'm studying President Stepstone, microphone, and tells the world we're not alone at the universe.

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Dr. Harold, Dan.

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I wanted to have a conversation with both of you today because you are two of the most popular voices online

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on this subject of UAPs, which is unidentified anomalous phenomena.

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Right, exactly.

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It has been in all the news recently because Trump, a couple of days ago,

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released 400 classified files containing videos and photos and different reports on this subject of UAPs.

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Now, I don't have an opinion.

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I honestly haven't gone that far down the rabbit hole on this subject,

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but I wanted to have the conversation with both of you because you do have opinions.

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So, starting with you, Dan, what is your background?

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And as it relates to the subject of UAPs, what is it that you believe that most people don't know or understand?

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My interest in this topic comes from my childhood.

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And so, over the years, I just, I read every book on the topic, watched every doc.

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I always wish someone had made a super serious, credible, sober documentary

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that only interviews people who have direct knowledge of this topic as a result of working for the US government.

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And so, got into producing, as I was getting access to high-level intelligence officials and government officials,

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before I even filmed, I really quickly learned how serious and real the situation is and how serious it's treated behind the scenes.

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And, you know, I made this movie The Age of Disclosure in secrecy over three and a half years.

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And I would say the headlines that I learned that the average person doesn't know

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is that there has, in fact, been an 80-year cover-up of the existence of non-human intelligent life.

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It has been covered up by elements of the US government since at least the late 40s.

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Other nations have also covered this up.

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And the other major headline is that the people within the US government that have been gatekeeping this,

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they've also been involved in a high-stakes, secret Cold War race with adversarial nations like China and Russia

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to reverse engineer this technology of non-human origin.

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And the stakes couldn't be higher. Those were the two massive headlines.

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And I'm proud to say when the film came out, it created a national conversation at an unprecedented level

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and it led to President Trump issuing this directive in the middle of February,

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super-unprecedented historic directive instructing federal agencies to start declassifying evidence it has

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they have of non-human intelligent life and UAP.

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And then that process began this past Friday.

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The first tranche of evidence was released to the public.

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And during the process of producing this documentary, who did you speak to?

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I got access to the highest levels of government, military, and intelligence community.

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My interview subjects range from Secretary Rubio, who's also our national security adviser now,

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White House National Security Council members, Navy fire pilots, admirals, generals, former Secretary of Defense,

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the leadership of all the recent classified US government, UAP investigations.

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Every single person is extremely credible. How is one of my interview subjects?

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How is one of the most senior scientists to work on this topic for the US government in classified projects?

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And him and all these other people interviewed, they had a lot of information they could legally share over the years,

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but they were always discouraged from doing so and they never really had the opportunity to comfortably do it.

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No one wanted to be the one guy out on a limb saying something extraordinary on CNN or Fox or 60 minutes

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and then being subject to the pushback and the ridicule.

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And so when I realized that, I started socializing a plan for how to step out of the shadows arm and arm with safety and numbers.

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I'll pick up on that point now where you talked about safety and numbers, how he mentioned you there.

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You're part of the documentary, I saw you as well in the trailer of the documentary.

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What is your background and what reference points are you drawing on to speak on the subjective, UAPs and UFOs, etc?

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I'm a quantum physicist that worked for the National Security Agency for various organizations in the intelligence community like CIA and so on.

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And so as part of my technical work, I was also a consultant, Chief Science Advisor to Robert Bigelow, Bigelow Aerospace.

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He's really quite a titan. I mean, he has two space stations orbiting the Earth.

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So anyway, those people who are in the space business and they're moving out into space, they just can't help but wondering, you know, what are we going to run into when we get out there?

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As a science advisor to him, it turned out that the defense intelligence agency came forward and said, you know, we need to find out really what's going on in the so-called UAP area.

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So you worked with someone called Robert Bigelow.

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He's the guy who knows everything about what is possible in terms of aerospace technology and anything that would be in the air or space simply put.

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Today, one of his colleagues comes to his office, pulls him into a skiff and shows him a video that Air Force Security Guards took over a nuclear weapon site.

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It was a triangle UAP hovering over a nuclear weapon site.

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This colleague said, please tell me this is one of ours, like one of our black projects, you know, some advanced cutting edge technology that's ours.

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And he knew instinctively it was not. That set him down a rabbit hole. He's like, there's got to be some office somewhere in the intelligence community that handles UFOs.

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So he went all over trying to find him and his colleague. They couldn't find one. So then they determined they were just going to start a UAP program.

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That program they started was called OSAP. They hired all the team, for example, Hal.

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And that program started in 2008 and got a lot of pushback behind the scenes because it turned out when they looked all over the intelligence community to see if there was another UFO program and didn't think there was, turns out there was one.

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And there was a deeply hidden program referred to as the legacy program. And it had been operating in the shadows since the forties outside of Congressional oversight, outside of the oversight of the White House, completely, you know, off, off and plough.

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As hidden as a program can be. And so they started pushing back behind the scenes against everyone involved in OSAP because they didn't want anyone else looking into this.

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It started cause a lot of bureaucratic issues for them, red tape issues, and ultimately OSAP lost its funding in 2010, despite the fact that it was looking into very real issues like UAP over our nuclear weapons sites. It shut down in 2010.

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Why do you think it shut down?

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They were dealt these bureaucratic hurdles behind the scenes by people involved in the legacy program, people who just caused problems and prevented funding. And it's a lot of big bureaucracy. People can do things behind the scenes to prevent funding from coming through for programs.

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And so ultimately they lost their funding in 2010. And then J Straton and other people involved, they were continuing to look into this because they didn't want this serious national security concern to go, you know, on, on, on investigate it, right.

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So that's how somebody like me gets pulled in and they say, okay, these pilots are out there and they suddenly see craft coming out of the ocean and making right angle turns at 6G or whatever.

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And they say, oh my god, this is way beyond our physics. So I and other physicists sort of dug into, you know, what could be responsible for this.

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And we actually found that just like we use so-called Maxwell's equations and electromagnetic stuff for everything we do in an electromagnetic, we have Einstein's equations and general relativity for black holes and all that kind of stuff.

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But turns out if you could engineer those, you would actually get the same effects that people were observing with these UAP craft. So we think we've come up with, you know, what it is about the science of it.

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It's just that we don't have the engineering to do it.

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Do you believe in UAPs?

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Absolutely believe in UAPs because I've been exposed to data about them.

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A more specific question would be, do you believe in aliens?

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Yeah. So a number of the people I interviewed went on the record stating that they know from their own personal experiences that they're having UAP crashes over the years that have been recovered by elements of the US government.

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And in some cases, the crashed crafts had the bodies of non-humans in them.

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And numerous people I interviewed went on the record saying that.

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And keep in mind, everyone I interviewed only shared what they roughly could. There was a line they couldn't cross.

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Everyone I interviewed was aware of classified information. They can't talk about, but they went right up to the line and made it clear that there had been recoveries of non-human bodies.

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A couple people actually testified under oath to Congress saying the same thing.

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Why wouldn't they be able to talk about it publicly?

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Well, when you're involved in certain programs, you sign certain agreements that prevent you from sharing.

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Right. Specific and highly classified programs.

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And of course, the big concern is, okay, whatever we might learn about these kind of craft and so on, our adversaries are out there.

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And there probably been crashes in Russia, crashes in China.

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And so if we reveal what we're learning about the subject area and said it publicly, then it might help some potential adversary.

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The same steps get a step ahead. So that's why it's all just kept really close in.

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So saying that I heard often from my interview subjects, you can't tell your friends without telling your enemies.

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You can't tell the public what we know and don't know without also telling China and Russia what we know and don't know.

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And giving them that information might give them a competitive advantage.

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And the obvious question anyone would ask when hearing that is then, okay, so what's shifted?

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Why is that no longer the leading thought secrecy is best? And the answer is because the US is in a really high stakes race, technology race against these adversaries to reverse engineer technology of non-human origin.

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And the secrecy around it in the US since the 40s has created a scenario where the scientific community in academia don't even know it's real.

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They don't even know it's a valid area of inquiry.

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They don't even believe it's real.

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The smartest kids graduating at MIT this year, they are not thinking that this is something they can put their brain power towards.

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So come back to the question, do you believe in aliens?

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I 100% believe that non-human intelligent life is here and has been here for a long time.

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When you say here, do you mean currently living amongst us?

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I don't know about the living amongst us part.

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I don't know about that.

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But there is UAP activity being reported on a daily basis by commercial airlines pilots, commercial airline pilots, the FAA, by Navy fighter pilots off the East Coast being reported up the military, China command.

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And on top of that, regular activity over on nuclear weapon sites inside the United States.

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It's happening on a regular basis on the nuclear sites and on a daily basis in commercial air travel space.

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UAP have come over nuclear missile sites and actually turned off the missiles.

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And so, you know, when something like that happens, you just got to take it seriously.

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And the technology that they're displaying is technology that no humans have.

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And again, there has been some crashes and in those crashes, there have been the bodies of non-humans.

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How do we know that? How do we know that in those crashes, they've recovered bodies of non-humans?

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There were so blowers basically coming forward from that crash.

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So the basis of that evidence is that some people have said it.

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At this point, until previously classified information regarding crashes is declassified, until it happens,

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the best we could hope for is credible people putting the reputation online to tell you this is what's been happening.

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Did someone during your process of making the documentary who had seen non-human life, non-human intelligence tell you that?

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Who was that? A number of people, but notably, you know, Jay Stratton, who we just talked about,

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who co-created, co-founded OSAP, and then became the director of the UAP Task Force,

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the largest whole government investigation of UAP ever. What did he say?

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He went on the record in the film saying that he's seen non-human beings and non-human craft with his own eyes.

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That was the farthest he could go at that point. Why did he say he couldn't go further?

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He had a situation that he was involved in that, for a few reasons, he just wasn't comfortable talking about it.

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Some of it, I think, he just wanted to make sure he legally could.

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Now, going back to credibility, like, take a guy like Jay saying that,

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when Jay retired, a few years back, he was part of the senior executive services of the federal government.

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That's a level less than 1% of all federal employees ever reach.

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It's the equivalent of a two-star admiral or general. Very, very senior, very trusted, you know,

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cleared at a very high level. He had worked with Naval Intelligence in his senior capacity.

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He had worked with the CIA. He had worked with the Defense Intelligence Agency as the head of Air and Space Warfare.

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It's a super serious, credible guy. And he's putting his reputation on the line to share this information,

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to the extent that he legally could and comfortably could.

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And when you asked him why the world doesn't know this stuff in his view, what would he say?

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There's a lot of reasons. I mean, certainly the idea that we can't tell our friends without telling our enemies has been a driver.

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To just recap the reasons for secrecy, I actually believe it's better to start from the beginning.

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When in 1947, there was a crash at Roswell of non-human origin, and RAAF captures flying saucer on ranch in Roswell region.

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And then this is the image of their cover-up story, trying to show a weathered ballooner.

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Yeah, so multiple people in my film go on the record saying the Roswell crash really happened.

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Technology of non-human origin and non-human bodies were recovered.

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If you put yourself in the shoes of the military and government at that point, like put yourself in Truman and Eisenhower shoes,

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you're just coming out of World War II. The world was just chaos for a very long time. It's finally starting to settle down.

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You can't exactly step to the microphone and tell America that there's a new threat that we know nothing about,

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and we can't protect you from their far advanced, what's the advantage of that?

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So secrecy became the plan at that point, and they had more questions and answers.

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So everyone I've talked to, gave me context, explained that the plan for secrecy went in motion there.

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Let's investigate, let's find out more about what we don't know before we tell the American people.

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That was quickly followed by the Cold War era, and we learned that Russia also had retrieved technology of non-human origin.

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And so we knew we were in a technology race.

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So then the idea of can't tell your friend without telling her enemy ruled the day.

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So now the Cold War mentality led to more secrecy.

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And as a security rapper for this program that it started, they created the stigma in the late 40s, early 50s.

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This cultural stigma, this idea that you're crazy if you look into this topic, you're wacky, you have your reputation ruined, you have a career ruined.

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There's actually a CIA meeting where people got together and said, okay, in order to not have people be pursuing this area,

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let's go out of our way to spread what we would call disinformation about.

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Yeah, basically the most effective disinformation campaign in the history of the US government, because it got into our culture,

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some movies were funded that made aliens seem silly, and the idea of life from elsewhere seemed ridiculous, and that got compounded over the years.

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And then we got to the point where we were just like a few years ago, where the average person just thinks it's not real.

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The average scientist, academia, they think it's conspiracy stuff, it's nonsense, it's silly.

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There was no advantage for elected leaders to get in front of this or for military members to speak up about what they learned or saw.

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It would be a career ruiner.

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And that started to shift several years back when Jay Stratton and Jim Lekaski, when they put together OSAP in 2010,

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and they started to go out there and collect data and get evidence, and they started to actually share it with the Senate Intelligence Committee,

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and the Senate Armed Service Committee, and looking at classified data in a classified setting, people like Marco Rubio,

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who was the vice chairman of the Senate Intelligence Committee at the time, started to realize there's something here.

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Not only does it help me here, but we've got a problem. There's a lot of UAP activity over these highly classified sites, like our nuclear weapons sites.

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There's a lot of stake. We are in this race with other nations, and the stigma has created a disadvantage for us.

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It's very hard to win a technology race when the majority of your scientists don't know it's a validary of inquiry.

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And to people think that there's one type of non-human intelligence that's visiting the Earth, there are many, many types.

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People who have been involved in recoveries have said...

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There are at least four types, four separate types.

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Now I have not had direct access to that, but I believe the people who I talk to...

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Four different types of life.

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Four different types of life, at least.

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And the people I've talked through the process of making the documentary, both on camera and off the record sources,

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and the people I'll talk to over the decades, have said that there have been dozens of recoveries of crashed craft in the US alone.

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Dozens of craft of non-human origin that either crashed organically or caused a crash and then recovered.

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And if you've spoken to people who you talked about Jay, have you spoken to other people that have worked on these crashed crafts?

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I've talked off the record with some people who were involved in recoveries.

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They would not go on camera to do interviews.

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Special forces people that would not go on camera to interviews.

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One I actually thought I've mentioned this in another interview, but one I thought was going to do an interview in a couple days before sent me a message saying

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after further consideration and long talks with my wife, I decided I'd be forfitting my life if I participated in your interview.

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And I thought that was very unsettling message to get, obviously, but also very specific word choice, you know.

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Forfitting my life.

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What did he know?

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He was a very senior special forces guy who had told me he had been involved in multiple recoveries.

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That's what he told me.

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And I met him through some high level intelligence people.

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Early on my process, I got connected with the Senate Intelligence Committee and the Senate Armed Services Committee.

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And they had on their own learned the reality of the situation through the work of OSAP and then ATAP and then the UAP task force.

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And through their own intelligence channels.

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Leaders on those committees wanted to educate the public about what they could lawfully about this, but they didn't really have a way to do it.

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It's such a complicated situation.

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It takes a while to explain it.

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You can't do it in like a six minute news head on Fox or CNN or even like a 15 minute 60 minute segment.

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You just can't do it.

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And no one wanted to be the one guy trying to do it.

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So when I started putting together a film and socializing this safe way for people to step forward.

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It also quickly became those people's plan for disclosure.

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That's why Secretary Rubio participated.

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That's why White House National Security Council members participated.

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It became amongst the group of people who had learned the truth.

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It became the plan for disclosure, the way to bring this information out in a thoughtful way.

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Do the presidents of the United States know about this stuff?

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Historically no.

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And even Rubio says on camera that, you know, historically, this has been kept from even sitting presidents.

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Who would know then?

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So a number of the people in my film break down who's involved in the legacy program.

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To put it simply, it's elements of the CIA, elements of the Air Force, elements of the Department of Energy, and a few major defense contractors.

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And they have the ability to access information from a number of federal agencies and branches of the military.

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But the primary leaders of this program are the CIA, the Air Force, the Department of Energy, and major defense contractors.

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And Rubio breaks down in the film.

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The way our bureaucracy works, you could have career bureaucrats in positions of power at those organizations for decades.

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And they can just wait out sitting presidents.

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They can wait out sitting senators.

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Sitting presidents is just temporary help that he's going to come and go.

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And that's what's been happening up until this point now.

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So the fact that Rubio had learned so much about the reality of the situation and the extent of the cover-up, and then ended up arguably the second most powerful guy in the world as our Secretary of State and our National Security Advisor at the same time, which has only happened once in U.S. history, Henry Kissinger for two years.

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No one else has ever had both those jobs at the same time.

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The fact that he ended up in that position of power and influence after learning the reality of the situation, and right as the age of disclosure is coming out and driving this national conversation,

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it really led to the current president Trump being informed about this in a way that no president has in a very long time.

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So are you saying that the United States don't think the public are ready to even know that this exists?

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Because they could tell us that they have recovered UAPs or aliens, whatever it might be, without telling us about the technology.

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They could, and I think we're going to get to that point.

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Yeah, I think that they were trapped in this system that had grown up, and people behind the scenes working in the classified programs said,

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well, you know, we don't know how the public is going to respond.

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So let's be safe, and let's just keep it in house.

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Do you think Trump believes that there are aliens?

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Because I was looking at some of his quotes, and he said, well, I don't know if they're real or not.

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I don't have an opinion on it.

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I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it.

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Barack Obama said that aliens are real.

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Well, he gave plastic information. He's not supposed to be doing that.

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So aliens are real?

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No, I don't have an opinion on it. I never talk about it. A lot of people do. A lot of people believe it.

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Do you believe it, Peter?

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Well, if the president can declassify anything that he wants to, so he won't get an announcement.

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I may get him out of trouble by declassifying.

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One of the things that came out in the Asia disclosure is that during Trump's first administration, his cabinet was briefed by the UAP Task Force.

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By Jay Stratton, and when he briefed them, he was told that they had asked for this briefing because they needed to be able to evaluate what the repercussions would be if Trump decided to step to the microphone and tell the world we're not alone in the universe.

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Obviously, he didn't end up deciding to do that then.

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However, in this new administration, he's got Rubio in a position of Secretary of State and National Security Advisor and fully aware of the situation.

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And that has given him the comfort to put this process in motion.

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There's certainly a disclosure process unfolding right now.

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Obama said in an interview that he did with Brian Tyler Cohen.

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When asked about aliens, Obama said they're real, but I haven't seen them. They're not being kept to Area 51.

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There's no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hit it from the president of the United States.

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Now, that sounded to me like kind of sarcasm when he said they're real, but and then explained that they're not real.

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They're real, but I haven't seen him and they're not being kept in Area 51.

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There's no underground facility unless there's this enormous conspiracy and they hit it from the president of the United States.

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So it would appear to me that Obama also doesn't know of any aliens.

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I think Obama was largely kept in the dark.

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I think he does know that the base fact that we're not alone universe and I actually think when he said they're real, I think he was being...

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That was just...

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That was his honest...

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That was his honest, candid, genuine statement.

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I think when he then said they're not kept at Area 51.

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I think he's also being honest because none of my sources say that UAP and aliens are being kept at Area 51. They're being kept somewhere else.

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So I think he was being honest there.

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And I think when he made the comment of unless there's a giant conspiracy, if you watch the tape, he like sips his cup and raises his eyes for all he said, I think he knows there's a giant conspiracy.

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That's the truth.

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The following day, Trump was asked about that on Air Force One and he responded saying Obama revealed classified information and he shouldn't have said that.

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And I think that's the truth.

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I think presidents don't know and they're told not to talk about it.

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Trump has started to release a lot of classified information around at UAP and aliens.

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The first batch of that was released a couple of days ago.

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What exactly is inside this report?

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There was a number of files, reports, video and still images that were declassified.

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This is information that previously had been classified or just never really made public.

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This was just the first tranche of what has been what will be released.

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The most notable piece of evidence in there is an image, a still image from the 1972 Apollo mission.

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It's an image of a triangle, seemingly triangle shaped craft hovering above the moon and above the astronauts and the image is taken

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from the lunar module.

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And the UAP task force looked into this image years ago and determined it was real.

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That seems to be the most claring piece of evidence in this tranche.

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But I will say this, how and I both have a lot of the same sources of information and everyone we've talked to at various federal agencies has told us that

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when the president gave this directive in middle of February for federal agencies to declassify evidence of non-humanitarian life and UAP,

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only a few engaged with it, they only gave a small percent of what they have and they only had a couple of weeks to do it.

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One of the things I think I've always struggled with with the idea of these kind of conspiracies is that I don't know why that information would necessarily fall into the hands of government officials.

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Because, you know, alien life forms of UAPs would be visible and would land in anyone's up back garden.

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So you could imagine a world, especially in a world where we have, I don't know, like 8 billion iPhones roaming around.

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You could imagine a world where if there was some kind of UAP crash in my garden, it would be on TikTok within five minutes.

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Or if there really was.

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Someone got there with an iPhone, you're right.

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You know, there was that incident earlier in the year with those, were they drones in America?

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Jersey.

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And that was on social media within minutes and everyone was talking about it and looking at what they were.

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I think in the modern world, because we have so many ways to capture high quality video, if there was something out there,

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we would have seen a very clear image of this thing by now.

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There's a lot that came out in these files because over the years, our sensor systems that the pilots have in their planes have gotten so much better,

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they've captured relations astounding.

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Does this life want to be seen?

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Do these aliens want us to know that?

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I'd have to assume that given a level of quality of their technology, if they didn't want to be seen, we wouldn't be seeing them.

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So it seems like I would say there's evidence for whatever reason, they're wanting to be seen.

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But also, my personal opinion is that if someone answers that question, they're answering it through the lens of how humans think.

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For all we know, we're ants to them.

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You don't hide from the ants, you walk around them, but you also don't pay attention to them.

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Based on that behavior from the interviews you've done, how do you think they view us?

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I honestly feel like the dynamic is we are very, very far below them on the food chain.

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How makes an analogy in the film?

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He says, the ants in your tree line in your backyard, they could be there for generations.

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You never think about them, you walk around them, you're not hiding from them, but they're there and you don't really care.

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But what happens if they evolve one day and out of nowhere, they figured out how to get into your house

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and they've be lined under your door and they're in your living room.

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We might have evolved technologically over the last 80 years since we cracked the atom.

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So quickly that we're now the equivalent of the ants showing up in their living room.

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All the sudden, this warring species, this violent species, humans, we progress so quickly.

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We went from no real technological progress for a very long time to cracking the atom

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and then figuring out nuclear technology and then continuing to increase our nuclear technology development.

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And we have this program that has been retrieving their crash craft and trying to reverse engineer them.

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So we might be at that point where we're about to do what they do and all the sudden we are a problem.

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That might be the explanation of why they pay so much attention to our nuclear process.

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There's a lot of UAP activity, not only at the nuclear weapon sites all over the world, but sites involved in the process, the nuclear process, like Uranium mines or refineries.

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It might just be we've gotten to the point where all the sudden they have to.

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In the Soviet Union, the UAP came over and actually started a launch of the Russian missiles.

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I mean, it actually forced the system to start into a countdown.

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How do we know that?

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By the intelligence community's access to information about it.

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Every person we spoke to in Belakorovich said they saw a flying saucer on that day.

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For hours, it hovered over the nearby ballistic missile base. No one had touched any buttons.

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No one had entered any codes. And yet, as the UFO hovered over the base, the control panel showed the missiles were preparing to launch.

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For 15 agonizing seconds, the base lost control of its nuclear weapons.

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Logically, I would think that unusual activity would happen around consequential sites.

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I'd be more surprised if there was really frequent unusual activity happening in my back garden, for example.

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But around highly consequential sites, one would expect there to be people flying things around their spying.

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People are like with cameras these days. They want to take photos of anything interesting.

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They hang around police stations and army barracks.

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Logically, I would assume that there would be an increased probability of strange activity in this sky above a nuclear site.

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In fact, there was a group of people in the intelligence community who recognized exactly what you're saying.

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And so, they decided to make an attractive magnet by getting a whole lot of nuclear assets in one location to see if that would draw them in.

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It was successful.

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So, you know, our nation and other nations have figured out circumstances that can, for lack of a better term, bait UAP.

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A certain level of nuclear footprint in a small radius tends to attract them.

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And our nation figured that out a long time ago and so did other nations.

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One of the things that I thought about is, I know very little about physics, but I know one thing I know is how big the universe is.

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Now, quite a big fan of SpaceX, I'm actually an investor in the company.

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And from my fascination with SpaceX, I've learned just how big the universe is and how long it would take us to travel from earth to the nearest galaxy.

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The closest star system to us, which is called Alpha Centuria, is over four light years away, which is about 24 trillion miles.

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If we traveled at the impossible, 10% of the speed of light, which is impossible, currently impossible, it would take a ship 40 years to get there.

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Now, fortunately, what we learned in looking at what might be the underlying physics and using Einstein's theory of general relativity, it turns out that there are ways of modifying the effective speed of light to make it much higher or much lower.

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And so you can do that. So when you get into potentially modifying what we call the spacetime metric, you can get to a point where you can make wormholes and warp drives.

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And those are things that are not off the charts. I mean, they're actually textbooks by general relativity experts on the fact that you could re-engineer the spacetime.

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So you could do it. You could get from here to there. But you're not saying you would travel in like a line like you do in a plane, right?

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Well, you could. If you arrange for the effective speed of light in that line to be much higher than without breaking the speed of light, you can zoom over there very quickly.

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So you even even in the straight line, but no one at the moment knows how to do that on earth.

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We can write the equations and see how it doesn't violate our physics equations, but we don't have the engineering.

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Because we figured out basically we figured out how these how these craft are operating the theory of it, but we know the material sciences, right?

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What I'm pointing at is if you travel at that speed across the universe, if you even hit an object the size of a pebble, it would be like a nuclear explosion.

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Yeah, the thing is if you're modifying space, it's sort of like making like a surfer wave on, you know, at the seashore, you arrange to have space moving ahead like that.

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So you come up to a rock, it's just going to push it aside. So you can engineer that.

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This is how I've wrapped my head around it. Essentially they're they're warping space time in a localized area.

389
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They're creating a immense amount of energy around the craft and it creates essentially a bubble around the craft.

390
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And that bubble separates the craft from the environment around it. So the environment has no impact on the craft.

391
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That's why we see transmitting travel like a craft going, you know, smooth from space to air to the water without even a splash.

392
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The environment around the bubble has no bearing on the craft inside it and the craft inside it is in its own space time.

393
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And once you wrap your head around that, then things like interstellar travel will become totally possible.

394
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One of the paradoxes with this is they appear to be such so advanced in their physics and their technology, if I should call it that.

412
00:40:01.500 --> 00:40:15.500
But at the same time, they seem to be crashing a lot, which is actually some of them have not crashed, but have been simply left in the desert, sort of like a gift or a donation.

413
00:40:15.500 --> 00:40:30.500
We're still trying to figure that out. So I mean, some of them do do crash and it can have maybe some of our electromagnetic pulsing and laser pulsing can interfere with their technology and you might get a crash.

414
00:40:30.500 --> 00:40:37.500
But why do you think another country hasn't come forward with similar disclosures and similar evidence?

415
00:40:37.500 --> 00:40:43.500
I actually think there's a really simple answer for that. I think our allies follow the US's lead.

416
00:40:43.500 --> 00:40:53.500
And I think our adversaries, primarily China, Russia have no reason to go public. They don't have the same sort of societies and dynamics.

417
00:40:53.500 --> 00:41:00.500
She can do what he wants anyway. What's what's the advantage to him? Same thing with Putin, you know, there is no advantage.

418
00:41:00.500 --> 00:41:05.500
And when you look at it that way, you really quickly get to the, you know, this is the way it is for that reason.

419
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They did a study in 2026 and found that 45 planets are likely capable of supporting life. They call this the habitable zone out of more than 6000 planets discovered so far by NASA.

420
00:41:18.500 --> 00:41:27.500
There are approximately a trillion galaxies in the universe and within these galaxies a hundred thousand planets could potentially host life according to Oxford University.

421
00:41:27.500 --> 00:41:36.500
Now, I believe that if you think about the entire universe, I believe that we're not the only life in the universe.

422
00:41:36.500 --> 00:41:39.500
Yes, right. I think that's a very scientific conclusion.

423
00:41:39.500 --> 00:41:45.500
Probably, blistically, it would be pretty incredible if we were. It's almost inconceivable that we are.

424
00:41:45.500 --> 00:41:50.500
The question of whether that life has been here is a question that for me is still a big question mark.

425
00:41:50.500 --> 00:41:57.500
Because I just, you know, I also, I think Elon, you know, whatever you think about Elon, he is someone that seems to just say what he thinks.

426
00:41:57.500 --> 00:42:02.500
And this is part of what's caused his company's a lot of problems. He seems to be pretty unfiltered.

427
00:42:02.500 --> 00:42:08.500
He has been asked multiple times as well if he believes that they are, there are aliens in our galaxy.

428
00:42:08.500 --> 00:42:14.500
And he has said on multiple occasions that he doesn't believe that to be the case. And he's launching rockets all the time.

429
00:42:14.500 --> 00:42:18.500
So he said, I wouldn't say if anyone should know it should be me.

430
00:42:18.500 --> 00:42:20.500
You do think he knows?

431
00:42:20.500 --> 00:42:35.500
I think that you can't operate in space at the level he does or operate as a contractor at the level he does without having clearances that require secrecy.

432
00:42:35.500 --> 00:42:43.500
You know, there's, there's all kinds of levels of secrecy, you know, there's a word classified, there's classified projects.

433
00:42:43.500 --> 00:42:55.500
But there's also black projects that are on acknowledged special access programs where you literally by law required to not acknowledge the existence of the program or anything it does.

434
00:42:55.500 --> 00:42:57.500
That's literally the, anything it knows.

435
00:42:57.500 --> 00:43:02.500
Yeah, that's literally the whole that they're literally referred to as on acknowledged special access programs.

436
00:43:02.500 --> 00:43:08.500
So if you're involved, so if you're involved with an on a non-special access program, someone asks you about it.

437
00:43:08.500 --> 00:43:10.500
You have to say you have no idea what they're talking about.

438
00:43:10.500 --> 00:43:12.500
I don't know his team.

439
00:43:12.500 --> 00:43:14.500
If they are a part of the program, yeah.

440
00:43:14.500 --> 00:43:22.500
But just because someone's read it on an on acknowledged special access program doesn't mean all their employees are.

441
00:43:22.500 --> 00:43:26.500
Elon said that we have 9,000 satellites up there. He's referring to his company Starlink.

442
00:43:26.500 --> 00:43:36.500
And not once have we had to maneuver around an alien spaceship. He argues that if aliens were constantly visiting Earth, the aerospace experts who watch this guys every day would be the first to know.

443
00:43:36.500 --> 00:43:44.500
Well, look, NASA also has said for decades that they had no evidence of extraterrestrial life for UAPs.

444
00:43:44.500 --> 00:43:50.500
And last Friday, the federal government released a photo of a triangle craft hovering over the 1972 Apollo Space Mission.

445
00:43:50.500 --> 00:43:58.500
So somebody's not being honest, which also implies a lot of other people know things that they haven't revealed.

446
00:43:58.500 --> 00:44:04.500
I think I've heard you say before how that you think this intelligent life actually exists amongst us.

447
00:44:04.500 --> 00:44:11.500
The quote was, they are not occasional visitors. They live secretly alongside humans, but with advanced technology.

448
00:44:11.500 --> 00:44:20.500
We have so many sightings and so many even access to materials and so on. I mean, they're all over the place.

449
00:44:20.500 --> 00:44:24.500
65% of Americans believe intelligent life exists on other planets.

450
00:44:24.500 --> 00:44:30.500
40% of people say military reported UFOs are probably evidence of extraterrestrial life, according to Pew Research.

451
00:44:30.500 --> 00:44:36.500
And 30% of Americans believe UFOs or unidentified flying objects are probably alienships of life form.

452
00:44:36.500 --> 00:44:42.500
And 47% of Americans believe aliens have definitely or probably visited Earth at some point, according to you.

453
00:44:42.500 --> 00:44:51.500
Half of Americans believe that UFOs slash aliens have definitely or probably visited life at some point.

454
00:44:51.500 --> 00:44:58.500
Well, you see the age of disclosure film and the people that came forward.

455
00:44:58.500 --> 00:45:10.500
I mean, you had Clapper X head of the office, the director of national intelligence and Senator Rubio at the time now in his elevated position and so on.

456
00:45:10.500 --> 00:45:21.500
You now have people of real quality and you know they're not lying and they're coming forth and saying this is real and we got to deal with it.

457
00:45:21.500 --> 00:45:24.500
And there's a lot we don't know about it.

458
00:45:24.500 --> 00:45:26.500
Could you be wrong?

459
00:45:26.500 --> 00:45:43.500
I don't think it's about whether I'm wrong or how's wrong you'd have to believe that senior leadership across the government, the military, the intelligence community that has access to class of information and is saying based on the classified information they have seen.

460
00:45:43.500 --> 00:45:50.500
This is a real situation. You'd have to believe all of those people are lying for some bizarre unexplained reason.

461
00:45:50.500 --> 00:45:52.500
So I find that hard to believe.

462
00:45:52.500 --> 00:45:56.500
Could it be the case that all of those people were misinterpreting what they were seeing?

463
00:45:56.500 --> 00:46:04.500
They saw something, you know, fire pilots saw something moving in their visors when they're up in their machines.

464
00:46:04.500 --> 00:46:14.500
Not really, because in some cases that could be the case but then when you have actual materials, crash craft, bodies that aren't human.

465
00:46:14.500 --> 00:46:34.500
Also a lot of these sightings, they're now in the process of the White House, cabinet members are in the process of identifying where the evidence exists within federal agencies and the military so they can get access to it themselves and then determine from there what can safely be shared with the public.

466
00:46:34.500 --> 00:46:41.500
I think once they get their hands on more evidence, then a plan we put in place for telling the world this conclusion.

467
00:46:41.500 --> 00:46:47.500
And I think we're, it's like fate of complete basically, like it's going to get to that point relatively soon.

468
00:46:47.500 --> 00:47:01.500
If we get to that point and you get personally invited in to wherever they're keeping these materials and you get to see every single file that exists and as you go through those files you realize that a lot of what you've been told is not true because there's other explanations.

469
00:47:01.500 --> 00:47:06.500
How would it like fundamentally change the way that you see the world?

470
00:47:06.500 --> 00:47:12.500
Some of the UAP we've seen, like take the famous everybody knows the TickTack UFL, right?

471
00:47:12.500 --> 00:47:16.500
That Commander Dave Fraver, the Navy fighter pilot interacted with in 2004, right?

472
00:47:16.500 --> 00:47:18.500
I'll put that on the screen for anyone that hasn't seen it.

473
00:47:18.500 --> 00:47:22.500
Great. And so take that, take that UAP for example.

474
00:47:22.500 --> 00:47:32.500
Multiple data collection systems and Commander Dave Fraver, a legend in the Navy, Top Gun Guy, Commander of an entire Naval Strike group, right?

475
00:47:32.500 --> 00:47:36.500
Like a total badass legend, legend of a guy.

476
00:47:36.500 --> 00:47:41.500
He sees this with his own eyes and a bunch of data collection systems capture data confirming it's real.

477
00:47:41.500 --> 00:47:49.500
This UAP went from hovering above the ocean to instantly being at 80,000 feet, which is the entrance to space, right?

478
00:47:49.500 --> 00:47:52.500
And it did that maneuver all afternoon.

479
00:47:52.500 --> 00:47:57.500
The amount of energy required to do that is so bonkers.

480
00:47:57.500 --> 00:48:06.500
We do not humans know human beings have the ability to create that much energy in a localized area for aircraft.

481
00:48:06.500 --> 00:48:19.500
And so to answer your question, if we find out, you know, the unthinkable, that this is not non-human intelligence life, that some humans have figured out how to crack that technology.

482
00:48:19.500 --> 00:48:23.500
And did it as recent as 2004 when the TickTack incident happened?

483
00:48:23.500 --> 00:48:44.500
That would be even more mind-blowing than accepting that life from elsewhere is here and has been here in a long time because that would mean that some group of humans leapfrog the rest of all of humanity technologically by thousands of years and then seemingly did nothing with that.

484
00:48:44.500 --> 00:48:57.500
So I think in the case of the TickTack incident, again, what I'm trying to do is interrogate this from all angles, is could it have been something else?

485
00:48:57.500 --> 00:49:06.500
Any isolated event like that, you could do the whole, could it be this, could it be that thing, but it's the, you got to take a step back and look at this collective.

486
00:49:06.500 --> 00:49:12.500
It's one report like that after another from credible people since World War II.

487
00:49:12.500 --> 00:49:22.500
You know, during World War II pilots were seeing what they call the food fighters, like these orbs that would move alongside our fighter jets, right?

488
00:49:22.500 --> 00:49:25.500
They would move in line with them.

489
00:49:25.500 --> 00:49:33.500
And now we have, we have people on ships seeing these things enter the water and then moving it, you know, impossible speeds.

490
00:49:33.500 --> 00:49:37.500
Impossible speeds or something, which no human being could do.

491
00:49:37.500 --> 00:49:40.500
As far as I know, our fastest submarines go like 50 miles an hour.

492
00:49:40.500 --> 00:49:49.500
These things are going 100 miles an hour under the ocean. So these crafter transmedium, they're seen in space, they're seen in the air, they're seen underwater.

493
00:49:49.500 --> 00:49:52.500
There's just too much activity to ignore it.

494
00:49:52.500 --> 00:49:58.500
Yeah, and that would be a hard one to say, well, you know, there's some sonar thing that makes you think something is doing that.

495
00:49:58.500 --> 00:50:04.500
But it's seen enough times under enough different conditions that we just have to accept that it's real.

496
00:50:04.500 --> 00:50:08.500
Is there a reason why this hasn't been captured on like an iPhone?

497
00:50:08.500 --> 00:50:10.500
Win and 4K.

498
00:50:10.500 --> 00:50:13.500
There's been a lot of stuff captured on phones and video cameras.

499
00:50:13.500 --> 00:50:21.500
In that scene in the igis closure I mentioned we're howling some of the other people break down how these things are working and they describe that they're creating a warp bubble around the craft.

500
00:50:21.500 --> 00:50:31.500
That warp bubble also makes it very hard to get a clear video of something because you're taking a photo or a video through essentially a space-time barrier.

501
00:50:31.500 --> 00:50:39.500
It's like the equivalent of taking pictures of trying to take video of like koi fish in a pond from above the water.

502
00:50:39.500 --> 00:50:41.500
It's going to look all distorted because you're going through the water.

503
00:50:41.500 --> 00:50:46.500
If you're trying to video or take a photo through this bubble, it makes it pretty hard.

504
00:50:46.500 --> 00:50:49.500
And then you end up with the kind of videos we see.

505
00:50:49.500 --> 00:50:55.500
You're probably familiar with this NASA report that they produced when UAP's independent study team report.

506
00:50:55.500 --> 00:51:01.500
They essentially say that they didn't believe that these UAP's are aliens.

507
00:51:01.500 --> 00:51:03.500
Why would NASA be lying?

508
00:51:03.500 --> 00:51:05.500
Like all these big bureaucracies.

509
00:51:05.500 --> 00:51:10.500
There's people who are aware of the truth and then there's people who have the truth kept from them.

510
00:51:10.500 --> 00:51:16.500
One of the people who interviewed was Mike Gold who was on the UAP, the NASA UAP Task Force.

511
00:51:16.500 --> 00:51:24.500
And he talked about how that effort was flawed from the start.

512
00:51:24.500 --> 00:51:29.500
They didn't want to have a result that said NASA has all this information that they've kept from the public.

513
00:51:29.500 --> 00:51:33.500
They wanted the result that they landed on, which is there's nothing to see here.

514
00:51:33.500 --> 00:51:42.500
And they were really discouraged from, for example, that image of a triangle clearly appears to be a triangle craft over the moon.

515
00:51:42.500 --> 00:51:47.500
They were told not to include that in their report.

516
00:51:47.500 --> 00:51:52.500
Like they were not set up to tell the world the truth.

517
00:51:52.500 --> 00:51:58.500
In your view, is it possible that aliens aren't real?

518
00:51:58.500 --> 00:52:00.500
Is it possible?

519
00:52:00.500 --> 00:52:04.500
Well, excuse me, so you think it's impossible?

520
00:52:04.500 --> 00:52:08.500
Using the term alien has a certain connotation about it.

521
00:52:08.500 --> 00:52:15.500
So we certainly say the evidence is absolutely clear that there is some form of life with advanced technology.

522
00:52:15.500 --> 00:52:19.500
If you want to say, well, what can I prove about it?

523
00:52:19.500 --> 00:52:24.500
Well, those are still unknowns that we're trying to suss out.

524
00:52:24.500 --> 00:52:29.500
I got access to a very high level of the government military intelligence committee.

525
00:52:29.500 --> 00:52:32.500
And there were a lot of people who talked to me off the record that wouldn't go on camera.

526
00:52:32.500 --> 00:52:38.500
There were a lot of people who couldn't tell me about classified information and want to know classroom information.

527
00:52:38.500 --> 00:52:49.500
But they all made it very clear, not just on camera, but off the record, that there is evidence at a classified level that is clear as day.

528
00:52:49.500 --> 00:52:56.500
Like some video taken when the bubble is turned off and you can see a craft of non-human origin clear as day.

529
00:52:56.500 --> 00:53:01.500
And there is evidence of the technology that's been recovered and of these bodies.

530
00:53:01.500 --> 00:53:07.500
And when you have, if you put yourself in my shoes, when you have so many senior people across the military government

531
00:53:07.500 --> 00:53:10.500
that tells the committee telling you this, it's really just impossible to ignore it.

532
00:53:10.500 --> 00:53:12.500
Especially when most of them aren't even friends.

533
00:53:12.500 --> 00:53:15.500
They're not like ideologically aligned or politically aligned.

534
00:53:15.500 --> 00:53:18.500
They're all just different groups of people.

535
00:53:18.500 --> 00:53:20.500
I'm less compelled by eyewitnesses.

536
00:53:20.500 --> 00:53:23.500
This is the problem because I'm such a big true crime fan.

537
00:53:23.500 --> 00:53:29.500
There are many cases where eyewitnesses said this and then they find out the serial killer wasn't that person or that thing didn't happen.

538
00:53:29.500 --> 00:53:33.500
And I also just have my experiences of like thinking I saw things when I was younger.

539
00:53:33.500 --> 00:53:35.500
Here's an interesting thing, you should make me think of.

540
00:53:35.500 --> 00:53:43.500
So in the film, Rubio and General Jim Clapper, two people who are completely ideologically and politically opposed to each other,

541
00:53:43.500 --> 00:53:47.500
made the same really intelligent point.

542
00:53:47.500 --> 00:53:51.500
And they both have knowledge at a classified level of this situation.

543
00:53:51.500 --> 00:54:00.500
They both said a problem we as humans have is that there's something in a human psyche that says,

544
00:54:00.500 --> 00:54:05.500
I cannot wrap my head around or prepare for things I haven't seen or experienced.

545
00:54:05.500 --> 00:54:11.500
And time and time again throughout history, that has proven to be like a human flaw.

546
00:54:11.500 --> 00:54:18.500
Rubio goes on to say that the greatest intelligence failures in US history come from a lack of imagination.

547
00:54:18.500 --> 00:54:29.500
And he cites a few examples. He says we never would have imagined the Japanese could figure out how to get torpedoes through the streets and hit us at Pearl Harbor until they did.

548
00:54:29.500 --> 00:54:39.500
He says we never would have imagined terrorists would fly to the homeland, learn to fly commercial planes and then use them in a terrorist act until they did.

549
00:54:39.500 --> 00:54:50.500
He says some other examples too. But time and time again, not wrapping our head around a set of circumstances that in using our imagination to think about what might happen or what might be happening,

550
00:54:50.500 --> 00:54:58.500
it's bit us in the ass and he ends his line of thought by saying lack of imagination leads to strategic surprise like Pearl Harbor, like 9-11.

551
00:54:58.500 --> 00:55:02.500
And sometimes strategic surprise changes the course of history.

552
00:55:02.500 --> 00:55:09.500
And so, you know, him and other people I interviewed think it's really important to get ahead of this as opposed to waiting for something to happen.

553
00:55:09.500 --> 00:55:22.500
As opposed to waiting for, you know, to find out the hard way that China cracked this technology before us and used it as an act of war or non-human intelligence life does something unpredictable.

554
00:55:22.500 --> 00:55:29.500
And then all of a sudden the US government's on its heels and so are other governments on their heels explaining to the public what they've known for a long time.

555
00:55:29.500 --> 00:55:37.500
I've often heard that the reason why they don't tell the general public that these things exist is because general public aren't ready for this information.

556
00:55:37.500 --> 00:55:40.500
Is that an onicument? I've not really heard you guys say that.

557
00:55:40.500 --> 00:55:46.500
You know, people, there are people involved in gatekeeping this information that don't think the public can handle the truth.

558
00:55:46.500 --> 00:55:53.500
You know, how recently told me that people in the legacy program are pointing to the age of the slavery and saying, look, this film reveals a lot.

559
00:55:53.500 --> 00:56:02.500
And people aren't losing their shit. You know, people aren't jumping out of windows. It's not causing chaos in society like the public can handle the base facts.

560
00:56:02.500 --> 00:56:08.500
What are the things you've heard, Dan? What is the most compelling story or anecdote that you heard that convinced you?

561
00:56:08.500 --> 00:56:24.500
It was really just a sheer number of very high level military government intelligence officials who were telling me in private settings to my face that at a classified level they know with absolute certainty this is real.

562
00:56:24.500 --> 00:56:26.500
But if you have to pick one story.

563
00:56:26.500 --> 00:56:32.500
Oh, I mean, it's really, it's really, it wasn't one, it really wasn't one thing for me. It was like, it was the overall.

564
00:56:32.500 --> 00:56:36.500
It's like, for example, I interviewed Rubio and Jill, the center of Jill Brown on the same day.

565
00:56:36.500 --> 00:56:40.500
They both participated in the film and did lengthy interviews with me.

566
00:56:40.500 --> 00:56:45.500
And both looked me in the face and told me that thought this was the most important documentary that's ever been made.

567
00:56:45.500 --> 00:56:51.500
And that this was really important to bring this information out in a thoughtful way to the public and make them aware of what's happening.

568
00:56:51.500 --> 00:56:57.500
You can't like, on here stuff like that, you know, and it makes, it makes an impact on you.

569
00:56:57.500 --> 00:57:08.500
What about you, how? What was the most persuasive thing that you, that tiptoe of the edge from a, you know, maybe being agnostic to believing that there are non-human intelligent life amongst us?

570
00:57:08.500 --> 00:57:21.500
Well, it's looking at the technology, which is so advanced that I'm essentially certain that no us or our adversaries could have made it.

571
00:57:21.500 --> 00:57:28.500
So somebody actually made it and it has to be somebody who knows a lot more about physics than we do.

572
00:57:28.500 --> 00:57:39.500
I mean, there's, there's nowhere to go but to say, okay, there's somebody who is way beyond humans to develop that kind of technology and display it.

573
00:57:39.500 --> 00:57:51.500
Of all the evidence that's been released and all of the rumors and videos and, you know, going back to the crop fields that we used to hear about many years ago, presumably there's lots of this stuff that you don't believe that you think is nonsense.

574
00:57:51.500 --> 00:57:59.500
Oh, there's definitely, there's definitely tons of reports that are, that when you look into them seem like bullshit, for sure.

575
00:57:59.500 --> 00:58:06.500
Because, you know, one of the things people often say is that alien encounter descriptions perfectly match the pop culture of their era.

576
00:58:06.500 --> 00:58:16.500
So people saw flying sources in the, in the 1950s, after sci-fi movies popularized them and grey aliens in the 1980s after books, like communion, popularized them.

577
00:58:17.500 --> 00:58:22.500
And this kind of suggests that sightings are born from human imagination versus...

578
00:58:22.500 --> 00:58:27.500
Well, I think, and I think that's a reasonable place to come to.

579
00:58:27.500 --> 00:58:41.500
I think, I think a lot of the reports that we get, you know, we can generally set aside as being, you know, just manufactured by humans who get caught up in this sort of a give and take on social media and so on.

580
00:58:41.500 --> 00:58:54.500
But nonetheless, when you really zoom in on actual evidence of technologies and evidence of bodies, there you can't just say it's, you know, it's just social contagion.

581
00:58:54.500 --> 00:59:00.500
When I think about the technologies, when I watch, like, the TikTok video, it's kind of blurry and I don't really know what I'm looking at.

582
00:59:00.500 --> 00:59:05.500
Like, there's this thing moving around on the screen that's like black and white, but I don't really know what I'm looking at.

583
00:59:05.500 --> 00:59:18.500
And I think this has always been the struggle with it is we're so used to consuming content in high definition that we can clearly, and it appears to be the case that so many of these UAP videos are like in the distance and kind of blurry and vague.

584
00:59:18.500 --> 00:59:24.500
So it makes them harder to believe. And I just, I think we're all longing for like a solid video.

585
00:59:24.500 --> 00:59:26.500
You talked about them going in and out of the water.

586
00:59:26.500 --> 00:59:34.500
How come someone's not a cop? If someone like falls over and we capture all on camera these days, CCTV cameras on every high street.

587
00:59:34.500 --> 00:59:38.500
Why is then like a solid video of something going in the water and out of the water?

588
00:59:38.500 --> 00:59:46.500
Look, more people said on camera, they have seen with their own eyes, classified videos that are indisputable.

589
00:59:46.500 --> 00:59:52.500
And some of them told me specifics like that story I told you the first video Jay Stratton was shown when he went down this rabbit hole,

590
00:59:52.500 --> 01:00:01.500
was a triangle craft hovering over a nuclear weapon site. Air Force security guards had filmed it on a little VHS camera that they had. It was hovering long enough from them to do that.

591
01:00:01.500 --> 01:00:04.500
That kind of evidence exists, but it's just still classified.

592
01:00:04.500 --> 01:00:19.500
Will it be coming out? I hope so. I know this process is playing out right now where people like Jay Stratton are helping the administration find where the evidence exists so they can get their hands on it and then determine whether it can safely be declassified.

593
01:00:19.500 --> 01:00:26.500
Like that process is definitely playing out right now. Do you think do you trust the Trump administration to release all of the available information?

594
01:00:26.500 --> 01:00:30.500
I don't think it's a question of do we trust the current administration will release it?

595
01:00:30.500 --> 01:00:39.500
It's do we think all these federal agencies and branches of military are going to turn over the evidence they have to the administration?

596
01:00:39.500 --> 01:00:45.500
That's the question. And the jury still out on that. They're not right now. They're pushing back and they're pushing back hard.

597
01:00:45.500 --> 01:00:54.500
And that's why the administration is working with people like Stratton, like Jay Stratton, who over 16 years has learned where a lot of this evidence is.

598
01:00:54.500 --> 01:01:03.500
They're working with people like him to find out where the evidence sits, who's gay keeping it at each of these different organizations and how to get to it.

599
01:01:03.500 --> 01:01:06.500
So they're doing a fact-finding mission right now.

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If it is released, if all the information that you've heard from your witnesses is released.

612
01:02:15.500 --> 01:02:21.500
If they release, you know, craft alien craft and they release alien bodies and all of these things.

613
01:02:21.500 --> 01:02:29.500
How do you imagine the world would be different? I think it will lead to a giant technology boom.

614
01:02:29.500 --> 01:02:35.500
I think once we're told, hey, there's this technology that exists that could revolutionize the way we live.

615
01:02:35.500 --> 01:02:39.500
It could lead to anti-gravity technology. It could lead to new energy sources.

616
01:02:39.500 --> 01:02:42.500
New energy sources. New energy sources. Solve the energy crisis overnight.

617
01:02:42.500 --> 01:02:46.500
It could lead to interstellar travel and going farther out.

618
01:02:46.500 --> 01:02:57.500
And I think you have a great psychological effect because you've suddenly, you go from the point of saying, well, maybe we're the only intelligence species in the universe.

619
01:02:57.500 --> 01:03:02.500
And then you suddenly get the idea that this is a universe full of life.

620
01:03:02.500 --> 01:03:04.500
What does that mean for religion?

621
01:03:04.500 --> 01:03:15.500
I think all dogmas will just apply to it. And I think the Vatican's already gotten ahead of it and said, you know, they put out a message a couple years ago that basically the gist of it was, you know, God's universe.

622
01:03:15.500 --> 01:03:19.500
God's work is vast and, you know, vast.

623
01:03:19.500 --> 01:03:26.500
You couldn't say that he wouldn't have the ability to do that.

624
01:03:26.500 --> 01:03:38.500
So from a religious standpoint, and certainly in the case of the Catholic Church, they've had very positive views about population being throughout the universe.

625
01:03:38.500 --> 01:03:48.500
And there's nothing really, at least from the Catholic Church's perspective, there's nothing that counters the, you know, it doesn't allow you to wrap your head around the fact that there's other life out there, you know.

626
01:03:48.500 --> 01:03:49.500
Are you guys religious?

627
01:03:49.500 --> 01:03:55.500
Not like overly religious, but like, you know, my mom's Irish and grew up going to Catholic school.

628
01:03:55.500 --> 01:04:01.500
And I went to a CCD, you know, Sunday school. It's called a CCD where I grew up.

629
01:04:01.500 --> 01:04:02.500
Do you believe in God's name?

630
01:04:02.500 --> 01:04:03.500
I do, I do.

631
01:04:03.500 --> 01:04:04.500
Do you believe in God's name?

632
01:04:04.500 --> 01:04:05.500
I do.

633
01:04:05.500 --> 01:04:07.500
And I'm a practicing Catholic, so.

634
01:04:07.500 --> 01:04:11.500
So with that mean that you believe God has made all of these aliens as well?

635
01:04:11.500 --> 01:04:13.500
That's what my worldview is.

636
01:04:13.500 --> 01:04:16.500
Yeah, I would think that I couldn't say that's not the case.

637
01:04:16.500 --> 01:04:25.500
But, you know, as a scientist, I can't prove that it is the case, but, you know, just in a statistics of it, it's pretty largely.

638
01:04:25.500 --> 01:04:32.500
You know, an interesting thing happening right now, Stephen, too, is these people who have been gatekeeping the truth.

639
01:04:33.500 --> 01:04:38.500
A lot of them are afraid to come forward and tell the White House what they know because they think they're going to be villainized.

640
01:04:38.500 --> 01:04:48.500
They think the optics around this are such that like, if someone's been covering this up, they're the villain of the story, right?

641
01:04:48.500 --> 01:04:57.500
And so, the White House and the Director of National Intelligence and the Department of War realize this.

642
01:04:57.500 --> 01:05:03.500
And so, in the last couple of weeks, they've been messaging out to the military and intelligence community that this is not a witch hunt.

643
01:05:03.500 --> 01:05:05.500
It's not an endeavor to punish anyone.

644
01:05:05.500 --> 01:05:08.500
They want to encourage people to come forward.

645
01:05:08.500 --> 01:05:12.500
They sure them there will be no punishment for being involved in gatekeeping this.

646
01:05:12.500 --> 01:05:15.500
They just want to learn the truth and find out where the real evidence sits.

647
01:05:15.500 --> 01:05:25.500
So that's another thing that's playing out right now that I think if it gets out there enough, it will lead to more people coming forward with that evidence we all want to see.

648
01:05:26.500 --> 01:05:31.500
Elyron, you talked about how some people feel like their lives are at risk because of what they know.

649
01:05:31.500 --> 01:05:36.500
Has there been any instance of anyone being punished for saying anything in this regard?

650
01:05:36.500 --> 01:05:49.500
Well, certainly, having their clearance as Paul or losing their up opportunities for advancement, we've heard stories like that from several people on the intelligence.

651
01:05:49.500 --> 01:05:57.500
Is there anyone you can name that has said that they were threatened or punished in some form because of what they said?

652
01:05:57.500 --> 01:06:01.500
Well, certainly the number one whistleblower for many people has been David Grush.

653
01:06:01.500 --> 01:06:16.500
And so, he has outlined the various steps taking against him to basically ruin his career significantly enough that he went to the Inspector General of the intelligence community and said,

654
01:06:16.500 --> 01:06:29.500
I'm being punished, shoved aside, losing clearance and so on because I came out with this data and they said, well, what you provided us is serious, more of the reconsideration.

655
01:06:29.500 --> 01:06:32.500
I think a lot of people have had their lives threatened.

656
01:06:32.500 --> 01:06:40.500
I'm not certain if anyone has been killed, but I know people have had their lives threatened.

657
01:06:40.500 --> 01:06:42.500
And who's threatening them?

658
01:06:42.500 --> 01:06:49.500
People that are involved in this program referred to as the Legacy Program.

659
01:06:49.500 --> 01:06:53.500
Who think that the evidence should not ever come out?

660
01:06:53.500 --> 01:06:59.500
This Legacy Program. So, this is a program ran within the US government.

661
01:06:59.500 --> 01:07:00.500
To US government?

662
01:07:00.500 --> 01:07:05.500
Elements of it and also defense contractors.

663
01:07:05.500 --> 01:07:09.500
And you think the Legacy Program knows the truth on this regard?

664
01:07:09.500 --> 01:07:16.500
Yes, because they have the firsthand evidence of the crash materials and the bodies.

665
01:07:16.500 --> 01:07:23.500
There's 80 years of data that this group has.

666
01:07:23.500 --> 01:07:27.500
And they haven't released a leak to that data for the last 80 years.

667
01:07:27.500 --> 01:07:29.500
There'll be no vanish.

668
01:07:29.500 --> 01:07:31.500
No one's hacked it.

669
01:07:31.500 --> 01:07:34.500
This program is the epitome of a special access program.

670
01:07:34.500 --> 01:07:38.500
I think this program is as off the grid as it could possibly be.

671
01:07:38.500 --> 01:07:43.500
It almost seems like there's nothing that eventually hasn't come to light that the government have done.

672
01:07:43.500 --> 01:07:45.500
Like I've sat here and interviewed a lot of CIA spies.

673
01:07:45.500 --> 01:07:51.500
They've told me the history of the CIA and this program lasted for 12 years and then it comes out and this program.

674
01:07:51.500 --> 01:07:55.500
I mean, even some of the stuff that I've heard you talk about how around what's it called?

675
01:07:55.500 --> 01:07:57.500
Remote viewing.

676
01:07:57.500 --> 01:07:59.500
Was that CIA project?

677
01:07:59.500 --> 01:08:01.500
What is remote viewing?

678
01:08:01.500 --> 01:08:14.500
Remote viewing was the CIA suddenly got concerned because they saw that the Soviets were spending millions of dollars at some of their best institutes to investigate the possible use of, quote, ESP.

679
01:08:14.500 --> 01:08:15.500
What's ESP?

680
01:08:15.500 --> 01:08:16.500
Psychic ability.

681
01:08:16.500 --> 01:08:19.500
Psychic ability is extra sensory perception.

682
01:08:20.500 --> 01:08:26.500
As it turns out, I was at Stanford Research Institute and they saw my background.

683
01:08:26.500 --> 01:08:30.500
They came to me and said, you know, we'd like for you to look into this.

684
01:08:30.500 --> 01:08:32.500
Is there anything to this?

685
01:08:32.500 --> 01:08:37.500
I mean, no scientists in America even believes there is such thing as ESP.

686
01:08:37.500 --> 01:08:38.500
Who came to you?

687
01:08:38.500 --> 01:08:39.500
CIA.

688
01:08:39.500 --> 01:08:40.500
This isn't the 70s.

689
01:08:40.500 --> 01:08:45.500
The CIA approached you in the 70s and asked you to investigate remote viewing.

690
01:08:45.500 --> 01:08:46.500
That's right.

691
01:08:46.500 --> 01:08:52.500
And so they asked me to set up a small program and 50 or 60K or whatever.

692
01:08:52.500 --> 01:08:54.500
And they said, you know, we hope you'll find this is all nonsense.

693
01:08:54.500 --> 01:08:55.500
We forget about it.

694
01:08:55.500 --> 01:08:57.500
We don't have to worry about it.

695
01:08:57.500 --> 01:09:01.500
And it grew into, you know, more than a two-decade program.

696
01:09:01.500 --> 01:09:03.500
Cost millions of dollars.

697
01:09:03.500 --> 01:09:10.500
Stargate is the label fourth that most people know about because by now most of the information in the program came out.

698
01:09:10.500 --> 01:09:22.500
And basically, we just found that people essentially, just like you have artistic ability or athletic ability or whatever, musical ability.

699
01:09:22.500 --> 01:09:31.500
Well, we found out that remote viewing, this ability to sit in a location and pick up information from someplace far away,

700
01:09:31.500 --> 01:09:35.500
is a talent that many people could demonstrate.

701
01:09:35.500 --> 01:09:45.500
And so we ended up actually training Army intelligence officers at the Army Intelligence and Security Command at Fort Beade how to do this.

702
01:09:45.500 --> 01:09:47.500
So wait, let me just simplify this for the audience.

703
01:09:47.500 --> 01:09:50.500
That might not fully understand what we're talking about.

704
01:09:50.500 --> 01:09:53.500
So remote viewing is the idea that I could sit here in London where we are now.

705
01:09:53.500 --> 01:09:58.500
And I could be trained to see what was going on in another part of the world.

706
01:09:59.500 --> 01:10:00.500
To make your minds out.

707
01:10:00.500 --> 01:10:02.500
Exactly. Go to a remote location.

708
01:10:02.500 --> 01:10:04.500
I'll give you a specific example.

709
01:10:04.500 --> 01:10:10.500
A Soviet plane that's the only one to get hold of went down somewhere in Africa.

710
01:10:10.500 --> 01:10:16.500
They didn't know where because the pilot had bailed out and it just went on until it ran out of gas.

711
01:10:16.500 --> 01:10:24.500
So we got two of our, quote, best remote viewers, one that worked for the Air Force and one that worked for my organization to say,

712
01:10:24.500 --> 01:10:28.500
okay, here's a map of Africa. Where's that damn plane?

713
01:10:28.500 --> 01:10:30.500
We got to go in and get it.

714
01:10:30.500 --> 01:10:32.500
And they put it next on the map.

715
01:10:32.500 --> 01:10:36.500
It was in three miles of where the plane went down out of the hundreds of thousands of square miles.

716
01:10:36.500 --> 01:10:39.500
And so the CIA would it. It got the plane.

717
01:10:39.500 --> 01:10:42.500
So I mean, it was, you know, how do they do that?

718
01:10:42.500 --> 01:10:45.500
By the way, there's an audio recording of President Jimmy Carter telling that story.

719
01:10:45.500 --> 01:10:47.500
Yeah.

720
01:10:47.500 --> 01:10:49.500
Post-Presidency.

721
01:10:49.500 --> 01:10:51.500
Maybe we should play that.

722
01:10:51.500 --> 01:10:56.500
One time we had a small plane go down somewhere in Africa.

723
01:10:56.500 --> 01:11:01.500
We were not able to find it by surveillance from our satellites.

724
01:11:01.500 --> 01:11:13.500
So the director of the CIA, he was also director of all the intelligence agencies, heard about a woman in California that was a medium.

725
01:11:13.500 --> 01:11:24.500
And he contacted her and she gave him the latitude and longitude of the planes we're about.

726
01:11:24.500 --> 01:11:31.500
And the next time one of our space satellites went over that area we located the plane where she said it was.

727
01:11:31.500 --> 01:11:34.500
Again, this sounds like it's impossible.

728
01:11:34.500 --> 01:11:38.500
Sounds like it sounds completely bananas. It sounds like something I have an X-Men comic book.

729
01:11:38.500 --> 01:11:39.500
Yeah.

730
01:11:39.500 --> 01:11:40.500
It sounds crazy.

731
01:11:40.500 --> 01:11:41.500
But.

732
01:11:41.500 --> 01:11:42.500
Well, I was okay.

733
01:11:42.500 --> 01:11:45.500
There's going to be really practical about it.

734
01:11:45.500 --> 01:11:49.500
You know, they often are skeptics would say, well, they're so psyche.

735
01:11:49.500 --> 01:11:52.500
Why aren't they rich? Why aren't they in the stock market or whatever?

736
01:11:52.500 --> 01:11:58.500
So we set up a little program on challenge to predict sewer futures.

737
01:11:58.500 --> 01:11:59.500
To predict what?

738
01:11:59.500 --> 01:12:00.500
Silver futures.

739
01:12:00.500 --> 01:12:01.500
That's the value of silver.

740
01:12:01.500 --> 01:12:06.500
Yeah, the value of silver on a daily basis was going to go up or go down.

741
01:12:06.500 --> 01:12:12.500
So we had somebody said, okay, I will, if you'll set up a little program like that for 30 days,

742
01:12:12.500 --> 01:12:15.500
I'll bet on what your quote remote viewers say.

743
01:12:15.500 --> 01:12:19.500
And I'll put the money in and I'll give you 10% of what I make.

744
01:12:19.500 --> 01:12:20.500
Okay, fine.

745
01:12:20.500 --> 01:12:27.500
Now, long story short, made $260,000 in the 30 days.

746
01:12:27.500 --> 01:12:30.500
We got our 10% which is $26,000.

747
01:12:30.500 --> 01:12:36.500
So people could actually, in this case, even look into the future a day

748
01:12:36.500 --> 01:12:42.500
and generate a description of what they were going to see and handle the following day.

749
01:12:42.500 --> 01:12:43.500
Presumably not everybody.

750
01:12:43.500 --> 01:12:45.500
How many people did you have do that?

751
01:12:45.500 --> 01:12:48.500
We had seven in that experiment.

752
01:12:48.500 --> 01:12:50.500
And how many of them were successful in generating?

753
01:12:50.500 --> 01:12:54.500
Six of the seven generated a really good data.

754
01:12:54.500 --> 01:12:57.500
So those six of people now rich?

755
01:12:57.500 --> 01:13:01.500
Well, I don't know. Some of them may have followed up.

756
01:13:01.500 --> 01:13:04.500
Why were those six people picked?

757
01:13:04.500 --> 01:13:08.500
Since we had learned that sort of anybody can do this,

758
01:13:08.500 --> 01:13:13.500
we were actually raising money for a school that was being put together.

759
01:13:13.500 --> 01:13:17.500
So I just went to the board of directors and said, okay, I'm going to give you a crash course

760
01:13:17.500 --> 01:13:24.500
over the weekend in quote remote viewing of the type we train intelligence officers to do.

761
01:13:24.500 --> 01:13:27.500
And so you're going to be it.

762
01:13:27.500 --> 01:13:31.500
So it was the board of the school board of the school.

763
01:13:31.500 --> 01:13:34.500
They all knew what I did for a living.

764
01:13:34.500 --> 01:13:39.500
This program, Sergey, got so much actionable intelligence from the remote viewers

765
01:13:39.500 --> 01:13:44.500
that how started briefing at the time, the director of the CIA on a regular basis.

766
01:13:44.500 --> 01:13:48.500
I've briefed all the way up to Bill Casey, the director of the CIA.

767
01:13:48.500 --> 01:13:52.500
So does it still exist this program in any capacity remote viewing?

768
01:13:52.500 --> 01:13:55.500
If it does, you wouldn't hear about it.

769
01:13:55.500 --> 01:13:56.500
Why?

770
01:13:56.500 --> 01:14:01.500
Because it would be a black, highly classified program.

771
01:14:01.500 --> 01:14:02.500
Why?

772
01:14:02.500 --> 01:14:07.500
Because we don't want our adversaries to know how we might be getting access to their data.

773
01:14:07.500 --> 01:14:08.500
You just told us.

774
01:14:08.500 --> 01:14:11.500
But people can not believe that, and that's fine.

775
01:14:11.500 --> 01:14:14.500
But on you undestimed sort of contract?

776
01:14:14.500 --> 01:14:19.500
Well, as it turns out, the CIA and the CIA also went to the CIA.

777
01:14:19.500 --> 01:14:24.500
And the program finally got declassified at the level that was operating at.

778
01:14:24.500 --> 01:14:27.500
And that you can go to the CIA reading room.

779
01:14:27.500 --> 01:14:29.500
And you can get all the documents on it.

780
01:14:29.500 --> 01:14:31.500
So your work was originally classified?

781
01:14:31.500 --> 01:14:36.500
Oh, it was originally a top secret, a special access program.

782
01:14:36.500 --> 01:14:40.500
There's a part of me that goes less if people could do remote viewing

783
01:14:40.500 --> 01:14:46.500
and see, you know, into other parts of the world or predict the things that you're saying.

784
01:14:46.500 --> 01:14:51.500
I mean, if it was trainable, everything,

785
01:14:51.500 --> 01:14:55.500
like life, as we know, it would be completely flipped on its head.

786
01:14:55.500 --> 01:14:59.500
I think it's unreasonable to think that when Stargate became public,

787
01:14:59.500 --> 01:15:03.500
the US government stopped.

788
01:15:03.500 --> 01:15:04.500
Remote viewing.

789
01:15:04.500 --> 01:15:06.500
I mean, I wouldn't stop if I was the US government.

790
01:15:06.500 --> 01:15:07.500
If it worked, I wouldn't stop.

791
01:15:07.500 --> 01:15:09.500
I think it just went underground, moved to a different agency.

792
01:15:09.500 --> 01:15:11.500
Yeah, went underground.

793
01:15:11.500 --> 01:15:13.500
So you were training people to do it, though?

794
01:15:13.500 --> 01:15:14.500
Yeah.

795
01:15:14.500 --> 01:15:17.500
Well, we had, yeah, we had people that we trained.

796
01:15:17.500 --> 01:15:19.500
So you trained me?

797
01:15:19.500 --> 01:15:21.500
How do you train me?

798
01:15:21.500 --> 01:15:25.500
Now, a number of the military intelligence officers that we trained

799
01:15:25.500 --> 01:15:30.500
have now left the military, and they do have training courses.

800
01:15:30.500 --> 01:15:32.500
Do you, but do you believe it?

801
01:15:32.500 --> 01:15:33.500
I do.

802
01:15:33.500 --> 01:15:36.500
At first, I thought it just sounded too much like something in a comic book.

803
01:15:36.500 --> 01:15:37.500
Right?

804
01:15:37.500 --> 01:15:42.500
But the more I first read about Stargate and the declassified documents

805
01:15:42.500 --> 01:15:45.500
started to realize how serious the government took it,

806
01:15:45.500 --> 01:15:48.500
and the more I learned about it through hell,

807
01:15:48.500 --> 01:15:51.500
and then eventually, I really don't want to get into the details

808
01:15:51.500 --> 01:15:54.500
of this, but eventually, I got connected with someone

809
01:15:54.500 --> 01:15:56.500
who has done a remote viewing for the government,

810
01:15:56.500 --> 01:16:00.500
and they did a demonstration for me that blew my mind.

811
01:16:00.500 --> 01:16:03.500
Because you would think if anyone was capable of doing remote viewing,

812
01:16:03.500 --> 01:16:07.500
they could go on the internet and make one prediction or do one video

813
01:16:07.500 --> 01:16:10.500
that would be proven to be true.

814
01:16:10.500 --> 01:16:14.500
And they would literally be considered to be a superhuman.

815
01:16:14.500 --> 01:16:16.500
Like, they would literally be...

816
01:16:16.500 --> 01:16:20.500
I mean, people would probably think they were a deity or a spiritual leader

817
01:16:20.500 --> 01:16:21.500
or something like that.

818
01:16:21.500 --> 01:16:25.500
Well, if one person could do it, what we found was that it seems to be

819
01:16:25.500 --> 01:16:30.500
an action that is just part of the human makeup.

820
01:16:30.500 --> 01:16:34.500
And so it isn't like they're a super deity or a godlike

821
01:16:34.500 --> 01:16:36.500
or really off the charts.

822
01:16:36.500 --> 01:16:38.500
It's something that people can learn to do.

823
01:16:38.500 --> 01:16:40.500
They can learn to play the piano or whatever.

824
01:16:40.500 --> 01:16:42.500
For whatever reason.

825
01:16:42.500 --> 01:16:49.500
Now we have new psychiatrists and neurophysiologists beginning to study

826
01:16:49.500 --> 01:16:54.500
how does consciousness do its thing in the brain and so on?

827
01:16:54.500 --> 01:16:58.500
Are there elements of it once you get into quantum theory

828
01:16:58.500 --> 01:17:02.500
and quantum entanglement that would say you could have evidence

829
01:17:02.500 --> 01:17:05.500
beyond just our physical structure?

830
01:17:05.500 --> 01:17:07.500
Like it could be rationalized with like a quantum connection.

831
01:17:07.500 --> 01:17:10.500
Yeah, basically the moving your mind's eye to another location

832
01:17:10.500 --> 01:17:14.500
which also goes to like, you know, house life very interestingly.

833
01:17:14.500 --> 01:17:17.500
You know, first was the Stargate stuff and then he got into UAP

834
01:17:17.500 --> 01:17:21.500
and the overlap that I find fascinating is some of these craft

835
01:17:21.500 --> 01:17:26.500
that have been found or crashes that have happened.

836
01:17:26.500 --> 01:17:30.500
The reports from people involved say that a lot of them

837
01:17:30.500 --> 01:17:32.500
don't have any control panels in them.

838
01:17:32.500 --> 01:17:35.500
Like they're basically empty other than seats,

839
01:17:35.500 --> 01:17:39.500
which suggests that maybe there's some sort of mind connection

840
01:17:39.500 --> 01:17:41.500
controlling these craft.

841
01:17:41.500 --> 01:17:42.500
I didn't wonder about the craft.

842
01:17:42.500 --> 01:17:44.500
So I thought, you know, if I was an advanced civilization,

843
01:17:44.500 --> 01:17:46.500
why would I, and I was that smart?

844
01:17:46.500 --> 01:17:48.500
Why would I send life to these planets

845
01:17:48.500 --> 01:17:50.500
when I could just send the crafts?

846
01:17:50.500 --> 01:17:52.500
You know, why am I sending biological life

847
01:17:52.500 --> 01:17:53.500
when I could just send the...

848
01:17:53.500 --> 01:17:55.500
Maybe they're manufactured biological life.

849
01:17:55.500 --> 01:17:56.500
Maybe it's maybe they're equivalent.

850
01:17:56.500 --> 01:17:58.500
Maybe they're not satient, satient.

851
01:17:59.500 --> 01:18:00.500
That's true.

852
01:18:00.500 --> 01:18:03.500
But the remote viewing stuff opens up a lot of possibilities.

853
01:18:03.500 --> 01:18:06.500
I mean, we as part of this CIA program,

854
01:18:06.500 --> 01:18:12.500
we found that people could affect quantum devices

855
01:18:12.500 --> 01:18:15.500
that were totally shielded by superconducting shielding.

856
01:18:15.500 --> 01:18:17.500
Tell them that particular story.

857
01:18:17.500 --> 01:18:23.500
Yeah, we, there was a quote, psyche, so-called.

858
01:18:23.500 --> 01:18:25.500
And so I brought them to Stanford.

859
01:18:26.500 --> 01:18:28.500
I was skeptical at the time.

860
01:18:28.500 --> 01:18:32.500
And I said, okay, well, we've got this super experiment

861
01:18:32.500 --> 01:18:36.500
where there's tiny quantum chip down inside

862
01:18:36.500 --> 01:18:39.500
of this electrical shielding, magnetic shielding,

863
01:18:39.500 --> 01:18:41.500
superconducting shielding.

864
01:18:41.500 --> 01:18:44.500
We want to see if you can affect it.

865
01:18:44.500 --> 01:18:45.500
And he did.

866
01:18:45.500 --> 01:18:49.500
I mean, this is supposed to be totally non-affectable

867
01:18:49.500 --> 01:18:51.500
from anything on the outside.

868
01:18:51.500 --> 01:18:53.500
In fact, it was developed by the Navy

869
01:18:53.500 --> 01:18:56.500
to just look for corks and stuff like that.

870
01:18:56.500 --> 01:18:59.500
And so it was supposed to not be influenced

871
01:18:59.500 --> 01:19:02.500
from the outside by anything.

872
01:19:02.500 --> 01:19:03.500
And he influenced it.

873
01:19:03.500 --> 01:19:04.500
And when I say he influenced it,

874
01:19:04.500 --> 01:19:07.500
I'm not just saying there's a little blip that,

875
01:19:07.500 --> 01:19:09.500
you know, you can kind of read into it.

876
01:19:09.500 --> 01:19:14.500
No, it was a system where it ordinarily just had an oscillating signal

877
01:19:14.500 --> 01:19:15.500
like that.

878
01:19:15.500 --> 01:19:19.500
And then when he affected, it just stopped the oscillation.

879
01:19:19.500 --> 01:19:22.500
And then he also made the oscillation go twice as fast.

880
01:19:22.500 --> 01:19:25.500
Of course, poor graduate student who's life dependent on this

881
01:19:25.500 --> 01:19:28.500
not being affected from the outside now really.

882
01:19:28.500 --> 01:19:33.500
But then they, that raised a big issue for them.

883
01:19:33.500 --> 01:19:35.500
That means, gee, does that mean if we put,

884
01:19:35.500 --> 01:19:39.500
if we hide our documents inside of superconducting saves,

885
01:19:39.500 --> 01:19:41.500
the Russians might be able to.

886
01:19:41.500 --> 01:19:43.500
So actually, when we had Dayton,

887
01:19:43.500 --> 01:19:46.500
the American remote viewers got together

888
01:19:46.500 --> 01:19:49.500
with the Soviet remote viewers and traded war stories

889
01:19:50.500 --> 01:19:52.500
Did experiments together prevail?

890
01:19:52.500 --> 01:19:54.500
You know, I think I'm naturally skeptical

891
01:19:54.500 --> 01:19:56.500
because I'm skeptical with all things.

892
01:19:56.500 --> 01:19:58.500
But I'm often proven wrong.

893
01:19:58.500 --> 01:20:00.500
So, you know, my fiance, she,

894
01:20:00.500 --> 01:20:02.500
she believes lots of things I don't believe.

895
01:20:02.500 --> 01:20:04.500
And so frequently she's been proven right in those things

896
01:20:04.500 --> 01:20:08.500
that I remain open-minded to things in life,

897
01:20:08.500 --> 01:20:10.500
because I've learnt too.

898
01:20:10.500 --> 01:20:12.500
So I think that's where I remain.

899
01:20:12.500 --> 01:20:14.500
I remain open-minded.

900
01:20:14.500 --> 01:20:16.500
And I think on the balance of probability,

901
01:20:16.500 --> 01:20:18.500
if you ask me, do I think there's other life in the universe?

902
01:20:18.500 --> 01:20:21.500
I think it would be crazy to say there wasn't.

903
01:20:21.500 --> 01:20:25.500
But has there been life that has arrived here that we've recovered?

904
01:20:25.500 --> 01:20:28.500
I just, I would need more evidence.

905
01:20:28.500 --> 01:20:30.500
I think that's the right attitude.

906
01:20:30.500 --> 01:20:35.500
And we're hoping that with the release of documents,

907
01:20:35.500 --> 01:20:37.500
it's starting to happen now,

908
01:20:37.500 --> 01:20:39.500
that you'll get that evidence.

909
01:20:39.500 --> 01:20:43.500
But in the absence of actually getting access to the evidence,

910
01:20:43.500 --> 01:20:46.500
it's very reasonable to be skeptical.

911
01:20:46.500 --> 01:20:47.500
Yeah, absolutely.

912
01:20:47.500 --> 01:20:51.500
I do think though, the current administration in the U.S.

913
01:20:51.500 --> 01:20:54.500
is so focused on following through

914
01:20:54.500 --> 01:20:56.500
with this direct of the President K.

915
01:20:56.500 --> 01:20:59.500
to get all the evidence within the possession

916
01:20:59.500 --> 01:21:00.500
of the federal government,

917
01:21:00.500 --> 01:21:02.500
all the different agencies, the military branches,

918
01:21:02.500 --> 01:21:04.500
and then figure out what can be classified.

919
01:21:04.500 --> 01:21:06.500
I think they're taking it so serious that we're going to get

920
01:21:06.500 --> 01:21:08.500
to more tranches of more meaningful evidence.

921
01:21:08.500 --> 01:21:11.500
And I think eventually we'll get to that thing,

922
01:21:11.500 --> 01:21:13.500
that moment that we've all only seen in movies

923
01:21:13.500 --> 01:21:15.500
where a sitting president steps to a microphone

924
01:21:15.500 --> 01:21:17.500
and tells the world we're not alone at the universe.

925
01:21:17.500 --> 01:21:19.500
I think we're going to get there.

926
01:21:19.500 --> 01:21:22.500
I think so too.

927
01:21:22.500 --> 01:21:24.500
Just a matter of time.

928
01:21:24.500 --> 01:21:27.500
Does it change the meaning of life if that becomes the case?

929
01:21:27.500 --> 01:21:29.500
Does it mean anything for us as humans?

930
01:21:29.500 --> 01:21:31.500
What do you think the meaning of life is?

931
01:21:31.500 --> 01:21:32.500
How?

932
01:21:32.500 --> 01:21:34.500
And do you think it should change our behavior in any way,

933
01:21:34.500 --> 01:21:36.500
even if this moment does occur?

934
01:21:36.500 --> 01:21:40.500
I think if we found out that there were life throughout the universe,

935
01:21:40.500 --> 01:21:44.500
that it can be developed in all kinds of forms,

936
01:21:44.500 --> 01:21:48.500
then that makes us take a new look at,

937
01:21:48.500 --> 01:21:50.500
well, what does it mean to be human?

938
01:21:50.500 --> 01:21:53.500
We ought to think about, if we can,

939
01:21:53.500 --> 01:21:55.500
interacting with these other species

940
01:21:55.500 --> 01:21:59.500
and seeing what we can learn from them and what might they learn from us.

941
01:21:59.500 --> 01:22:02.500
And so it just opens up a whole new sort of view

942
01:22:02.500 --> 01:22:05.500
of what the universe is like.

943
01:22:05.500 --> 01:22:07.500
I've got 15 grandkids.

944
01:22:07.500 --> 01:22:11.500
They should grow up in a universe where it's teaming with life

945
01:22:11.500 --> 01:22:16.500
when they know that and that's a very kind of an exciting kind of thing.

946
01:22:16.500 --> 01:22:20.500
I think it also could be the one thing that could unify all of humanity.

947
01:22:20.500 --> 01:22:23.500
Reagan gave a great speech during his presidency at the United Nations

948
01:22:23.500 --> 01:22:27.500
where he said he often thinks that it might be a threat

949
01:22:27.500 --> 01:22:31.500
from outside this universe that makes all of humanity come together

950
01:22:31.500 --> 01:22:35.500
and think more about what it has to come in than its differences

951
01:22:35.500 --> 01:22:40.500
and moves them past the conflicts of the moment.

952
01:22:40.500 --> 01:22:44.500
And that might be, you know, wishful thinking and might be naive,

953
01:22:44.500 --> 01:22:48.500
but it also might actually be the one thing that could line people up.

954
01:22:48.500 --> 01:22:52.500
How's it changed how you think about the meaning of life?

955
01:22:52.500 --> 01:22:56.500
Between what I've learned about the reality of the UAP situation

956
01:22:56.500 --> 01:22:58.500
and the existence of non-human development life,

957
01:22:58.500 --> 01:23:01.500
what I've learned about, for example, remote viewing,

958
01:23:01.500 --> 01:23:07.500
it's made me realize that our sort of Western present day view of reality

959
01:23:07.500 --> 01:23:10.500
is not complete. You know, we think we know everything.

960
01:23:10.500 --> 01:23:14.500
There is, you know, to life and how things work and we just don't.

961
01:23:14.500 --> 01:23:17.500
And when you're honestly yourself and you look back at history

962
01:23:17.500 --> 01:23:20.500
all the times people thought that they were proven wrong pretty quickly.

963
01:23:20.500 --> 01:23:24.500
And so it's made me open to a lot more possibilities

964
01:23:24.500 --> 01:23:29.500
than I would have been just 10 years ago.

965
01:23:29.500 --> 01:23:34.500
I think it'd be a renaissance in our attitudes toward life and everything.

966
01:23:35.500 --> 01:23:37.500
Are you both open to being wrong?

967
01:23:37.500 --> 01:23:39.500
Yeah, look, I should have said this earlier on.

968
01:23:39.500 --> 01:23:42.500
When I first started making my documentary,

969
01:23:42.500 --> 01:23:45.500
I was totally prepared to have people tell me,

970
01:23:45.500 --> 01:23:47.500
look, this is all bullshit.

971
01:23:47.500 --> 01:23:49.500
It was all cover for our classified projects.

972
01:23:49.500 --> 01:23:50.500
Did they?

973
01:23:50.500 --> 01:23:51.500
No, no one did.

974
01:23:51.500 --> 01:23:52.500
That was the crazy thing.

975
01:23:52.500 --> 01:23:54.500
Not a single person did.

976
01:23:54.500 --> 01:23:56.500
I was trying to pull it out of people.

977
01:23:56.500 --> 01:23:59.500
I'd be like, you know, come on, this is really,

978
01:23:59.500 --> 01:24:02.500
this is like a black project and I don't acknowledge special access program, right?

979
01:24:03.500 --> 01:24:05.500
Just say nothing if that's the case.

980
01:24:05.500 --> 01:24:08.500
And they were like, no, dude, not even close.

981
01:24:08.500 --> 01:24:09.500
It was over and over.

982
01:24:09.500 --> 01:24:11.500
And these weren't random people.

983
01:24:11.500 --> 01:24:13.500
These were senior people on the Senate Intelligence Committee,

984
01:24:13.500 --> 01:24:16.500
on the Senate Armed Services Committee.

985
01:24:16.500 --> 01:24:20.500
Leaders in the intelligence community, leaders in the military.

986
01:24:20.500 --> 01:24:24.500
And so, yeah, it's hard to ignore.

987
01:24:24.500 --> 01:24:28.500
Well, Trump has released the first round of the UAP reports.

988
01:24:29.500 --> 01:24:32.500
So I guess in many respects, this conversation is to be continued.

989
01:24:32.500 --> 01:24:33.500
Yeah, yes.

990
01:24:33.500 --> 01:24:36.500
And we have been told by our friends and government

991
01:24:36.500 --> 01:24:40.500
that the next tranche of evidence is likely to come out in the next 30 days or so.

992
01:24:40.500 --> 01:24:43.500
And it's going to be a rolling declassification process.

993
01:24:43.500 --> 01:24:46.500
So there'll be a lot more to talk about in the near future.

994
01:24:46.500 --> 01:24:47.500
Thank you so much for your time.

995
01:24:47.500 --> 01:24:48.500
Really appreciate it.

996
01:24:48.500 --> 01:24:49.500
I feel very curious.

997
01:24:49.500 --> 01:24:50.500
Thank you for your interest.

998
01:24:50.500 --> 01:24:51.500
Very, very curious.

999
01:24:51.500 --> 01:24:53.500
And I highly recommend people to check out your documentary.

1000
01:24:53.500 --> 01:24:55.500
I'm going to link it below.

1001
01:24:55.500 --> 01:24:57.500
And I think one of the great things about the documentary

1002
01:24:57.500 --> 01:25:00.500
is the diversity of people you've spoken to, including Marco Rubio,

1003
01:25:00.500 --> 01:25:02.500
who has worked now working alongside President Trump,

1004
01:25:02.500 --> 01:25:04.500
and many others, including yourself, how.

1005
01:25:04.500 --> 01:25:06.500
And other guests that I've met, people like Jay,

1006
01:25:06.500 --> 01:25:08.500
who I hope to speak to you sometimes, see.

1007
01:25:08.500 --> 01:25:09.500
Cool.

1008
01:25:09.500 --> 01:25:10.500
Thank you for having us.

1009
01:25:10.500 --> 01:25:13.500
And thank you for bringing attention to interesting topics like this.

1010
01:25:13.500 --> 01:25:16.500
I really do think, you know, people like you

1011
01:25:16.500 --> 01:25:18.500
are helping open people's minds.

1012
01:25:18.500 --> 01:25:20.500
You know, in the past, you only had, you know,

1013
01:25:20.500 --> 01:25:22.500
it wasn't that long ago, there's only four TV networks, right?

1014
01:25:22.500 --> 01:25:23.500
Yeah.

1015
01:25:23.500 --> 01:25:25.500
And a small group of legacy media people controlled

1016
01:25:25.500 --> 01:25:27.500
what people thought about, really.

1017
01:25:27.500 --> 01:25:28.500
So people here are opening up.

1018
01:25:28.500 --> 01:25:31.500
Everyone's minds to other possibilities and other information.

1019
01:25:31.500 --> 01:25:32.500
And so thank you.

1020
01:25:32.500 --> 01:25:36.500
Yeah, it's interesting, because, again, sometimes I think,

1021
01:25:36.500 --> 01:25:38.500
after I remind the audience of like, why do I do it?

1022
01:25:38.500 --> 01:25:40.500
And why pick the subjects that I pick?

1023
01:25:40.500 --> 01:25:42.500
But it's honestly just what I'm curious about.

1024
01:25:42.500 --> 01:25:45.500
And if something rises in public curiosity,

1025
01:25:45.500 --> 01:25:47.500
and it's in my curiosity, then I'll speak about it.

1026
01:25:47.500 --> 01:25:50.500
It's not an endorsement of me believing everything.

1027
01:25:50.500 --> 01:25:52.500
It is just me wanting to learn more.

1028
01:25:52.500 --> 01:25:53.500
Yeah.

1029
01:25:53.500 --> 01:25:55.500
And, you know, I wish we lived in a society

1030
01:25:55.500 --> 01:25:57.500
that was more open-minded generally to the people

1031
01:25:57.500 --> 01:25:59.500
on the other side of the aisle, or the subjects

1032
01:25:59.500 --> 01:26:01.500
that are currently considered to be,

1033
01:26:01.500 --> 01:26:04.500
controversial or not, because, you know,

1034
01:26:04.500 --> 01:26:07.500
it's not lost on me that my own very existence

1035
01:26:07.500 --> 01:26:11.500
as a black business man is in of itself

1036
01:26:11.500 --> 01:26:14.500
something that was once a very controversial idea.

1037
01:26:14.500 --> 01:26:17.500
And so I'm all for, you know,

1038
01:26:17.500 --> 01:26:20.500
controversial ideas being having some kind of space

1039
01:26:20.500 --> 01:26:23.500
to pull every major breakthrough in the history of humanity

1040
01:26:23.500 --> 01:26:25.500
came from someone being curious, right?

1041
01:26:25.500 --> 01:26:27.500
And wanting to learn about something they weren't aware of.

1042
01:26:27.500 --> 01:26:30.500
So I think great things will come out of it.

1043
01:26:30.500 --> 01:26:32.500
And you just touched on something that we didn't mention,

1044
01:26:32.500 --> 01:26:36.500
which is, I found, shockingly, that this is the UAP issue,

1045
01:26:36.500 --> 01:26:39.500
non-humanized lives, is the most bipartisan issue

1046
01:26:39.500 --> 01:26:41.500
in Washington DC.

1047
01:26:41.500 --> 01:26:43.500
At a time when Democrats and Republicans in the United States

1048
01:26:43.500 --> 01:26:46.500
can't agree on anything, they're completely lined up.

1049
01:26:47.500 --> 01:26:49.500
On this being the biggest issue of our time,

1050
01:26:49.500 --> 01:26:51.500
extremely significant.

1051
01:26:51.500 --> 01:26:53.500
And like that says a lot too, you know?

1052
01:26:53.500 --> 01:26:55.500
To be continued.

1053
01:27:16.500 --> 01:27:19.500
you