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In the football career, you go through a lot of ups and downs and a lot of difficult moments.

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And let's say the ones that suffered most of the family.

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They see your good moments, your bad moments, your good side, your bad side also.

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But they always start by you.

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Your time at Manchester United has been a bit of a roller coaster like this.

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And so on that day when you get a big offer to leave Manchester United for a contract

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that was worth a reportedly 200 million, why didn't you go?

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Manchester United's captain Bruno Fernandez has arguably become their greatest player in the post-Ferguson era.

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There is a single player in the Premier League who has more assists since his arrival.

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He's won more club player of the year awards than Ronaldo.

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And only five players have scored more than his 70 league goals.

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So I'm at the Manchester United training ground.

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To ask him the questions, the footballing world wants to know.

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Including, recently Ricky and Chris signed his dual mentality based on a quote he claimed you said.

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How do you respond to that?

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He came criticizing me, killing me, saying that I'm not good enough, that I'm not a good captain,

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that I'm not a good player for the club. It's okay, I don't mind.

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What I don't like was when people lie about things.

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I even ask Ollie, his number to have a word with him.

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Did you speak to him?

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Thank you so, so, so much.

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Bruno, to understand somebody, I always think you have to start with where they started.

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And the early context that they grew up in, and we were just talking before we started recording about Porto.

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I'm on a journey to understand why you are the way that you are, because you're such an anomaly on the pitch.

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And you career when I track the journey of where you've come from and how you continually were promoted and pushed forward at a very young age.

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It's clear to me that your early context, your early upbringing, and whatever it was that was present at that age has shaped you in some very, very important way.

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What is the sort of earliest thing I need to understand about where you came from and that environment?

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For me, it's all about families, about taking care of other people.

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And I think to succeed, not just in sports, but in life, you need to be very careful of your surroundings.

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So I think the values of my family, the values of my parents, or what make me the person and the player I am today.

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The older I've gotten, I'm now 33, so I think I'm two years older than you.

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The more I've realized, actually with time, what I learned from my parents, and the values that my dad in particular gave me, he never...

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A lot of the things, it's not something he ever said to me, it's like modeling what he did.

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So seeing how he behaved, what's that for you?

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It's kind of the same.

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My father was never a person to show his emotions too much or tell you what to do or how to do it.

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You would just do it, and you would understand by his behavior, by the way the things that that was his way of showing us how he has to be doing.

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It was never a person of like a king kissing and stuff. It's got now into that.

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Even when I come out of games and stuff, you see like I always get his hug, I always get his kiss, and this is something that I as a kid.

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I knew how much he loved me, but in this small aspect, it was always my mom giving this kind of love.

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He was more in the way of he was showing how things have to be done, how much you have to sacrifice yourself to certain things.

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My dad was very strong with me in terms of like games.

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Imagine I could come out of a game scoring two, three goals or whatsoever, and my parents, my dad in this case, will always pick up the bad moments ahead in games to make you understand.

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That wasn't that wasn't that was good, but was a great is always margin to improvements. You know, it's all small things.

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And I think I've learned such from such a young age to deal with criticism that I'm now in probably one of the biggest clubs in terms of like carrying criticism and attention.

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That doesn't hurt me like I don't like it. Obviously no one likes to get criticized, but it doesn't hurt me.

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It doesn't change the way I behave. It doesn't change the way I want to do things.

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But from the other side, it makes me understand there's still things to improve.

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And I listened to that and I look at my game and I see if he's needed of changing of improvement in my game.

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And my dad was always very strong in that with me.

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And I see nowadays the parents, you know, my dad never wanted me to be a footballer.

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He wanted me to become a better person, a better player or a better student.

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Everything I wanted to do, he just wanted to me to do it at like 100%.

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You want to do this, you have to do the best you can.

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You can't just be happy with the you go to a test and let's say in Portugal was from zero to 100%.

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And you have 98 and you'll be the most obvious person.

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No, you can be happy because that result is amazing.

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But you left 2% then that you still can improve.

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So you always always showing me that even if it was just a small thing or a small detail,

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you still have something more to do. You still have something more that you can improve has become better.

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And that's something that stuck with me, not just in football, but in life.

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I don't like to do things 50%, 67 or 80.

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Whenever I'm included in something, I want to go full, I want to learn as much as I can.

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I want to be the best version I can in that aspect, whatever it is.

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I mean, it's really interesting because I wonder to myself how I think you start playing football at five years old.

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Yeah, five.

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And were you good from five years old? Were you different from your peers at a young age?

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In such a young age, I never think about being a footballer.

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I just wanted to play football for life. I'm just happy playing football.

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I just want to have this ball in my feet every time, all time.

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And you joined FC Investor?

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Yeah, that was my first club.

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At five years old, I mean, I've got some photos of yours as a young man here.

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I've got so many photos here, but you must be roughly around that age then.

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And remarkably, I've read that after one training session, they moved you into the older group

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and you played with people two years older than you when you were four or five years old?

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Yeah, I was five playing with the seven years old.

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Why did they move you into a different group?

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I went for the first session and it was a football session, five a side, but like an indoor thing.

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And after the first session, they told me that now you need to get on the grass.

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And then I think it comes just, you know, I looked at the other players and that other people that were training with me.

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And I didn't want to be better than them.

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I just wanted to like getting at them was the same with getting at my brother.

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There was five years old for me.

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For me, it was no difference.

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If I have to beat him up, I will beat him up.

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You know, like one V1, I'm going to go past him.

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I have to tackle.

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I'm going to tackle him.

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He's going to tackle me stronger.

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I tackle him again.

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And I was, I had no fear.

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And I think that was the thing that made me become better and better because I was never the best.

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Like technical ability.

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Yes, I was good.

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Was the best.

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No speed was I quick.

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Yeah, I was quite the quick was the quickest.

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No, I was the strongest.

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No, I was the tallest.

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No, but I had no fear of anything of that.

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I had to sprint with someone that was quicker than me.

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I'm going to speed with him.

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And I'm going to, I might not beat him, but I'm going to get close to that.

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I actually read that you were so aggressive that referee sometimes asked your coach at investor Sergio to sub you off.

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Otherwise, they'd have to send you off.

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I mean, that kind of correlates with what you were saying there about fear.

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Yeah, you were aggressive.

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I was like, that's what I mean.

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Like I had no fear.

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You know, like I wouldn't look at faces or sizes whatsoever and think like, oh, it's bigger than me.

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You know, like it's going to, it's going to be stronger than me or so.

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I'll get into any, any ball in any moment in the, in the game with, with no fear at all.

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And this is probably the best times in my career between investor and Boa Vista.

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Because this one is investor.

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This one is that Boa Vista, when I've just, I stayed probably a year at investor and Boa Vista got me straight away.

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And you moved quickly up and up and up and up.

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And that was one of the remarkable things I noticed when I looked at you starting playing at five years old,

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getting promoted to an older team.

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And then quickly, almost in all the clubs, you know, I'm looking at when you were 17 years old

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and you left Portugal and moved to Italy to join Navarro.

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Yeah.

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And after three months there, you were promoted to the first team.

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And then you very quickly joined Yudanezi.

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Yes.

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And at Yudanezi, you met a guy called Francesco, a compromising surname, but good Lini.

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Good Lini, yeah.

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He was really, really formative in your career.

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Wasn't he, you were 18 years old?

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18 years old, yeah.

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Why was he such an important part of your career?

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What did he teach you or give you at Yudanezi?

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He was the manager that probably gave me the basis and the foundation to be fearless and express myself, you know,

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like to get my head out of so many things that were going on.

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And as a young kid, that has just made the step into the Serie A.

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And he's like, oh, I need to, now is the moment I need to show myself.

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But he was like, you don't, you showed me that you have the qualities when you were in second division in Italy.

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That's why we brought you.

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And to be honest, I was on the edge of coming to Oxford on loan.

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What food?

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Yeah, because it's the same owners.

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And we were getting at the edge of the transfer window.

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They just bought me and obviously they had a big squad with a lot of players and they were like,

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we're going to send you to Oxford, you're going to, you're going to be there playing for them.

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And I was like, what have I done?

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Like I wasn't, I wasn't good enough.

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And then in the same moment, they called me to go to the hotel, pack my stuff.

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Because it was like last days this, pack my stuff, I was with my girlfriend, wife now.

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And she was like, don't worry, we're going to go anywhere else and you're going to succeed.

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And I said, but why can't I make it here?

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Like, what was that I did wrong that managed it like not looking at me the same that is looking to other players.

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And in my head was like, have I done something wrong?

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I've not like showed my full potential. I've not shown that I'm good enough to be in this team.

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And I don't know why in the middle of all this thought, the sporting record called me again and says, Bruno, you can't go anymore.

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The manager wants you to stay. He says, you loved you.

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He loves your attitude. You want you to learn from him.

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You want you to understand how he wants to play and everything.

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He says, you might not play much this season, but he's pretty sure that you are the type of player that will succeed at this club.

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And then we had many conversations.

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And I think when you want the manager for young players that very quick will play and will think like, oh, I'm the guy now is going to make you understand.

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Stay calm. I got you, but you're still not there.

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And he was so good for me. He was like a father future, you know, like, but not just for me.

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If you speak with every player that was there at that time, they knew they were important for him because he always showed that.

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And that's why we made me so much more complete in terms of understanding the moments and the process that managers have to go through their heads.

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And what they think about players that is better or whatsoever that you don't understand whenever a manager puts on the bench, just think doesn't like me is doing this because he makes he wants to make another one play.

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But the way he did it with me and all the players that were around me at that time, we were so happy that the environment was very, very good.

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As a young man, when you're this age or 18 years old, what are your dreams?

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And if I'd asked you at the time, what is your future look like? What would you have said to me?

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As soon as I became a professional player, I was like, I want to be on the top clubs. I want to play for the big clubs. I want to be in the Champions League.

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I want to play for trophies. I want to become the players I'm looking at. I want to become like them.

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Did you think you could?

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Always. I've never, never dealt.

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And at 22, you get a call and you return to Portugal and sign a five-year deal with sporting in a deal worth reportedly 8.5 million.

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That next season you scored 20 goals and added 13 assists, which was unheard of for a player in your position. And what I read as well is that Tottenham were interested in you at that time.

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And it was, it was at one point highly likely that you were going to end up moving to Tottenham. I'm very glad you didn't as a man United fan.

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But tell me about that. So Tottenham could call you.

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Yeah. I spoke with Tottenham and we were very close to get an agreement done.

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Then in the last two days or one day of market, the sporting just said we're not going to sell him.

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We're going to keep him because we need him. And you wanted to go to Tottenham.

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Yes, because I wanted to play in the Premier League.

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Because for me, it's the best league in the world. It's the most competitive one.

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It's the one that I think when you grow up, you dream to play for, you know, like full stadiums, top clubs, top players.

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Obviously, I was lucky enough that my dream club to play in England was when United and obviously Tottenham at the time was the option ahead.

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I was very, very happy to join them because they showed me the process that they were going through.

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The manager there was there at the time. They also really wanted me.

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All the new things, the new facilities and everything. So I was very happy with everything that I could see going forward.

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But it didn't happen. And for bigger reasons, I guess.

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And then in January, I got the call that I was hoping for for two, three years already.

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Tell me about that call because I know Manchester United has been, you know, in your eye for a long time.

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I mean, I know you grew up watching people like Cristiano Ronaldo play for this club.

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And I think when he, I think when he first played for Portugal, you were a young guy.

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He was like eight or ten years old or something.

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And he had been a great star of Manchester United. But I think generally people of our age group,

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we grew up in the heyday of Manchester United, the Starbucks Ferguson era as well.

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So why Manchester United? And can you zoom me in?

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If I'm a fly on the wall when you get that phone call from your agent, I guess,

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that Manchester United, I can see the smile on your face.

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I was, let's say I was in my wardrobe, I was getting, getting ready to go to bed.

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We just had to, my wife was just putting kids, my daughter, that time I only had my daughter to bed.

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I always said to my agent, whenever he's like 95% that the club really wants me and he's ready to make an offer,

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tell me and then I decide if he's like the right moment, then I want to go.

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A part of that is I'm like just keep him apart. Keep me apart. I don't want to know it.

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I don't want to like to lose the focus of what I'm doing to something that I can't control.

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So he called me and he said Bruno, so you told me to not speak to you until we had something like concrete, concrete.

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I said, my agent calls me gas and the news are every day different.

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Every day they're going to put the new club days interested in me.

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So I'm not I'm not going to be focused on that. He said, okay, many nights is coming for you.

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I know, I know this is like why you want.

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So is on you now to make a decision.

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And for like 10, 20 seconds, I didn't I didn't say anything.

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I was I was crying, but I didn't want to talk because you know, like your voice starts going a little bit.

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Chucky and then all of a sudden, my my wife gets into the world where she says, I'm still on the call.

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I was like, I turned that off. And I was like, because it's called me.

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It's actually just too much.

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I would have got the chance to come to the Premier League again.

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Just tell them I'm going, obviously, I was very good at sporting.

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was when I became probably the best version of myself as a player,

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where I improved so much in that two years and a half.

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they really understood that was ready for me to go and do the next step.

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It's funny, the smile that you still have in your face when you look at this picture.

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this is the day your dream comes true.

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I think I put this one and sporting together because of the importance that sporting

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at the micro year.

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But obviously this was the cherry on top of the cake because this is where I wanted to be.

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And you joined the club at a time when the club was in a bit of a turmoil struggling.

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You know, Sarah Alex Ferguson has left.

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We've cycled through a bunch of managers and we've got Oligona Soshara as the manager at that point.

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I think the club was seventh in the Premier League when you joined.

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And it was going through a time of turbulence.

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But you chose to come here anyway.

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you have had a lot of other opportunities to join a club that was more stable.

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That was, you know, and it's interesting because clubs can have a big impact on a player's future.

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Players can have a big impact on the club, but it also goes the other way.

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And as someone that runs businesses, you know, the environment you join has a huge impact on everyone's behaviour.

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No irrespective of how hard you try.

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You chose to join a club that was at the time unstable.

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But look, the game I looked before I came here was, I think, Burnley, United Burnley,

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and United loses a home to one.

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I don't remember exactly, but I know I know they've lost that game and it was just like days before I came.

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I still think there is there's a lot of potential in that team.

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And a part of having potential in that team, I'm drawing one of the biggest clubs in the world.

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And I know that clubs go through periods where things don't go the way they want.

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But sometimes it's not just because they're not great, it's just because other teams are being better than them.

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And that's fine because in football you're not going to win all the time.

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But the thing you can do is like you can bring your own values, your own experience, your own qualities,

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and trying to help everyone else around you to become better, to become the team you want to see.

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And I think at that time, that period of, that we had the COVID time and all the stuff,

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but that period from there to the end of the season, the team was unbelievable.

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And the season after we got second place, and because we struggled in certain moments of keeping up to the standard of city,

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that had a very good end of season.

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I was like, I'm going to be the magic powder that's going to solve all the problems.

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But I really knew that this club had something special.

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And for me to join it was, was like, I can be part of something that is going to become great again.

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And I still believe that. And obviously, you can take time.

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It's taking more time than I thought. Yes, of course.

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And still a lot of things that I want to achieve.

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But this smile and this guy that came here in 2020 is still the same guy that wants to win and succeed at this club.

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I'm wondering, because it's been so much said about the environment at Manchester United over the years,

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because I interviewed a lot of his players and having been to Carrington before and actually going to the grounds,

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and actually sitting in the hospitality lounge and waitresses coming over to me,

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and talking about when Sir Alex Ferguson was here, and how he knew everyone's name.

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And then how it changed.

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It was really interesting to me to get a lot of this feedback because it highlighted how small things in culture

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can have a big impact right down to the way players play.

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And there's always a story that Gary Neville told me about with Wendy and her charity balls.

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He told me a story of the players walking past Wendy who got the charity balls signed for a local charity.

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And Sir Alex Ferguson came downstairs and he, quote, fucking killed us.

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And it's a strange thing to do, like, to care that much about a small detailing culture.

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But over time, Gary told me he understands why Sir Alex Ferguson cared so much.

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So my question to you is really about the cultural evolution of this club.

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And what the fans are desperate to know about, like, how it's changed and how it feels different

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from the time you arrived in 2018 up until today.

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I've brought in my behaviour, the way I've been raised and all these things.

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I think every different player has brought different things to the club.

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But I think one of the things that has to be always there is the respect for people.

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And I think that says, for me, is a non-negotiable thing.

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Like, if any player comes to this club and he doesn't respect the physios, the stewards,

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the people that are in all the desk we have here, the people that work for us in the restaurant, the chefs,

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and all these people that are around us, taking care of us, even if you don't see it,

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or if you don't think it, or whatever it is, for me, is a non-negotiable thing

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that the respect has to be always there.

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And more than respect the care, you need to care about them.

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Because if you have a good foundation, a good base of respect and care in your club,

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it's going to get better. The environment gets better. Everything is more positive.

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Because I think, and this is probably the way I've been raised,

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I treat everyone in the same way. I don't treat the players in a way that I don't treat the clean lady

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or the people there in the front desk or the people that the stewards and the entrance.

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If I say, good morning to these ones, I say, good morning to these ones. I don't change that.

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If I give an unchecked to these ones, I give an unchecked to this one.

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If I greet them as, I'm greeting my teammates, they will feel part of it.

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They will feel involved. They will feel as important as them.

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Even knowing that the role of time is completely different of the other ones,

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because the role of a CEO is one thing.

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But if the cleaner doesn't clean everything nice and leaves everything prepared and well done and everything,

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you will notice that something is wrong.

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You will notice that this is not the place where you want to work for.

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You notice that you don't want to be the CEO of a company that has trash everywhere.

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And so why wouldn't you greet the person that takes care of you,

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takes care of your place to look so good and to make an impact when people come in from the outside?

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It reminds me of something, actually, Johnny Ives.

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So Johnny Ives is the famous Apple designer that designed all the Apple products that we know and love.

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And he said, it's very hard to feel care.

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He goes, but everyone can feel when someone didn't care.

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You go to a restaurant and they didn't care.

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Small things.

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He goes, it's like, he said, care is just this thing in the background.

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This ambient feeling you have when you arrive somewhere.

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But you can't like point out exactly what it is, but you can feel it.

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That's the thing.

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I think it's more that you feel it, but you don't see it.

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And I think touching this point I was, I was talking about cleaners.

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My mom was a, she was cleaning houses for work.

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don't grade the work she's doing for them.

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Because for example, now I have a person that works in my house.

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I don't allow my kids to talk badly to her.

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I don't allow my kids to say, grab that, you put it in place.

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And I said a tour in the first day she came to work and I said,

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if something is not in the right place, obviously I want you to clean.

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I want you to put things in place.

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I want all of this.

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But I don't want my kids to tell you that arrange that or put this in place.

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If they want something, they can ask you.

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But first of all, they need to be respectful.

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If they can't make it, they have to ask you.

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But in the respect way.

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But if it's something that they can make, you have to make them make it.

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Not like, oh, you do it.

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No, just explain them how to do it.

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Show them the way.

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So they learn with it.

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And this probably the way I behave with the people that work with me,

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it comes a lot because of my background.

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Of not like it to see my mom.

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Because I was not in the houses, obviously.

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I don't know if they treated well or not.

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My mom never said to me that any of the people that she worked for were

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but to her or treat her in a bad way.

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So I really think that that made me understand that because I don't want that for my mom,

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I won't make that to other people.

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I've been a man United fans since I was a kid.

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So my siblings were born in Manchester.

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I was saying to you before I was born in Botswana or in Africa.

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But because I've got told brothers who are a man United fans,

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I very quickly became a Manchester United fan.

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I remember like three, four years old.

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I moved up from the Southwest to Manchester.

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I was 18 years old and I lived here.

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And went to my first Manchester United games.

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I've seen the club going this incredible journey from Sir Alex Ferguson's era

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to this sort of period of transition to where we are now.

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And it's my observation, my honest observation,

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that after in the post-Furkey era,

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the club made some bad decisions as it relates to recruitment and culture.

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People often talk about Edward Woods.

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I'm not going to I'm not going to translate you up in any way.

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I'll get you to talk about anything particular.

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I'm expressing my opinion.

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They talk about Edward Woods' strategy towards signing players

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and it being a bit flippant.

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And then you look at the sort of group of lads that we had.

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I felt the culture was a bit confused

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because it didn't seem like it seems now

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where it seems like there's this really strong central agreement

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around the values.

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It felt a bit, I don't know,

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a bit like we had signed players because they were famous or big,

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but not because they fit.

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And I feel when I look at the club now,

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I go, oh, these guys kind of fit.

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And whoever's doing recruiting is thinking about character.

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It feels to me like there's been this process over the last couple of years

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of getting rid of the wrong character profiles.

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And I think how Amerin really spoke to this.

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He really talked about getting rid of the players

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that didn't have the right character profile.

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Just to add one more line to this,

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I've spoken to a lot of players at the club in past and present.

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And they expressed the same to me as well,

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that there was an issue with sort of character profile

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that has now been solved for.

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I think the main mistake that the club has done through the years

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and that we've changed manager to manager,

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00:28:28.000 --> 00:28:30.000
they were very different.

429
00:28:30.000 --> 00:28:32.000
And that's already a bad sign,

430
00:28:32.000 --> 00:28:37.000
not of recruitment because then you bring in players that fit that manager.

431
00:28:37.000 --> 00:28:40.000
But the next one you brought plays a completely different way.

432
00:28:40.000 --> 00:28:43.000
And the three or four or five that you bought

433
00:28:44.000 --> 00:28:46.000
don't fit this one anymore.

434
00:28:46.000 --> 00:28:48.000
And then you have to buy another four or five.

435
00:28:48.000 --> 00:28:53.000
And then the constantly change of strategy in the club

436
00:28:53.000 --> 00:28:57.000
or in the way we wanted to play whatsoever was not the best

437
00:28:57.000 --> 00:29:01.000
because then obviously it becomes that the players don't suit

438
00:29:01.000 --> 00:29:04.000
anymore the system is not even more the character than it comes up

439
00:29:04.000 --> 00:29:05.000
is more the system.

440
00:29:05.000 --> 00:29:07.000
Then obviously we can talk about character that players

441
00:29:07.000 --> 00:29:12.000
that were certain players that were not a perfect fit for the club.

442
00:29:12.000 --> 00:29:14.000
You never know it until you bring it to the club.

443
00:29:14.000 --> 00:29:15.000
I think sometimes you can see it.

444
00:29:15.000 --> 00:29:18.000
And I think it's their players that I think the club

445
00:29:18.000 --> 00:29:20.000
by the behavior they have on the pitch

446
00:29:20.000 --> 00:29:22.000
or the behavior they have on social media whatsoever,

447
00:29:22.000 --> 00:29:24.000
you can see if they will be a fit for the club or not.

448
00:29:24.000 --> 00:29:28.000
And I think the main thing for the club, as you said there,

449
00:29:28.000 --> 00:29:30.000
you need to bring good characters

450
00:29:30.000 --> 00:29:33.000
because that will be more important to build something that good qualities.

451
00:29:33.000 --> 00:29:36.000
Because good qualities they all, they will have.

452
00:29:36.000 --> 00:29:39.000
You don't bring a player to many nights that does have qualities.

453
00:29:39.000 --> 00:29:43.000
But if you cannot have the qualities to the character, that's a win-win.

454
00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:48.000
Because the qualities will be moments that the quality won't be as good as you want

455
00:29:48.000 --> 00:29:51.000
because players go through periods that sometimes they play very good,

456
00:29:51.000 --> 00:29:55.000
sometimes they play very bad, but the character remains the same.

457
00:29:55.000 --> 00:29:58.000
And that's the character you want where they are on a low

458
00:29:58.000 --> 00:30:01.000
to be the right character to push himself to be on a high

459
00:30:01.000 --> 00:30:03.000
or at the same time when they are on the low,

460
00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.000
to be the right character to push the other ones to be at the top level.

461
00:30:07.000 --> 00:30:11.000
And I think that's the main thing that the club has to do in terms of recruitment

462
00:30:11.000 --> 00:30:13.000
and everything is bringing people, first of all,

463
00:30:13.000 --> 00:30:16.000
that want to be a man United to play for a man United.

464
00:30:16.000 --> 00:30:19.000
Not to be a man United just because it's a big club.

465
00:30:19.000 --> 00:30:22.000
They want to be here because this is the club they think

466
00:30:22.000 --> 00:30:25.000
and they really understand that they want to succeed with this club.

467
00:30:25.000 --> 00:30:29.000
They want to bring this club back to the days we were used to see a man United.

468
00:30:29.000 --> 00:30:31.000
I know it's been 12 or 13 years.

469
00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:34.000
I know, but we want that to get as short as possible

470
00:30:34.000 --> 00:30:37.000
to become that club that won 20 Premier League titles

471
00:30:37.000 --> 00:30:39.000
and is joined the most in the Premier League.

472
00:30:39.000 --> 00:30:43.000
So, character in the football club is more important than the quality.

473
00:30:43.000 --> 00:30:47.000
Because the quality you're always going to get it and you can improve it.

474
00:30:47.000 --> 00:30:49.000
This is what I heard from Pitchie Severer.

475
00:30:49.000 --> 00:30:52.000
I remember him telling me that he met Sir Alex Ferguson in an airport,

476
00:30:52.000 --> 00:30:54.000
I think in France.

477
00:30:54.000 --> 00:30:56.000
And Sir Alex Ferguson sat him down and said,

478
00:30:56.000 --> 00:30:58.000
are you willing to die for Manchester United?

479
00:30:58.000 --> 00:31:00.000
And he said, yes, and so he shook his hand.

480
00:31:00.000 --> 00:31:02.000
He said, welcome to Manchester United.

481
00:31:02.000 --> 00:31:04.000
And that's a different way of recruiting.

482
00:31:04.000 --> 00:31:06.000
He's not testing if he can kick a ball well.

483
00:31:06.000 --> 00:31:09.000
He's testing if he's got the heart and that mentality

484
00:31:09.000 --> 00:31:13.000
that I think Fergie and previous sort of cohorts in Manchester

485
00:31:13.000 --> 00:31:15.000
I'd really, really cared about.

486
00:31:15.000 --> 00:31:18.000
I think Sir Alex, obviously he's done mistakes in recruitment too

487
00:31:18.000 --> 00:31:20.000
because obviously not every player was great.

488
00:31:20.000 --> 00:31:24.000
But he always brings players in any time and any moment

489
00:31:24.000 --> 00:31:26.000
they would fit the club.

490
00:31:26.000 --> 00:31:29.000
And that's the main thing I think in terms of recruitment

491
00:31:29.000 --> 00:31:31.000
this is like something that is not for me to get involved.

492
00:31:31.000 --> 00:31:33.000
But I will say it.

493
00:31:33.000 --> 00:31:35.000
I understand the club has different managers that comes in,

494
00:31:35.000 --> 00:31:38.000
comes in in different ways of playing and whatsoever.

495
00:31:38.000 --> 00:31:40.000
But the recruitment has to be for many United

496
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:44.000
because the player will get normally a five-year contract

497
00:31:44.000 --> 00:31:46.000
and the manager will get two.

498
00:31:46.000 --> 00:31:48.000
And you know that if he's not something he's not working

499
00:31:48.000 --> 00:31:50.000
the club always gets rid of the manager first

500
00:31:50.000 --> 00:31:53.000
then he gets rid of the player because it's much more difficult.

501
00:31:53.000 --> 00:31:57.000
So I think you always have to bring players that fit the club

502
00:31:57.000 --> 00:32:00.000
and then you bring managers that fit the club

503
00:32:00.000 --> 00:32:02.000
and the players you've got.

504
00:32:02.000 --> 00:32:05.000
And I think that says to be the thing that, for example,

505
00:32:05.000 --> 00:32:09.000
let's talk about club and pet, why they were so successful

506
00:32:09.000 --> 00:32:13.000
because they chose the players in together with the club

507
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:17.000
that will fit the club, the system, and the way they wanted to play.

508
00:32:17.000 --> 00:32:20.000
And through the years I've had that mistakes, of course,

509
00:32:20.000 --> 00:32:22.000
have they bought players that didn't work.

510
00:32:22.000 --> 00:32:25.000
Yes, I think we're more the ones that worked and the ones that didn't.

511
00:32:26.000 --> 00:32:30.000
I haven't seen many of them coming out and talking about the club

512
00:32:30.000 --> 00:32:32.000
or about the manager whatsoever.

513
00:32:32.000 --> 00:32:34.000
Yeah, it's difficult to be there and a club

514
00:32:34.000 --> 00:32:37.000
by you for 50, 60, 70 million and then you don't play

515
00:32:37.000 --> 00:32:39.000
when you thought, oh, I'm going to play

516
00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:41.000
because being this month of five for me, I'm going to play.

517
00:32:41.000 --> 00:32:42.000
Then you get there, you don't play.

518
00:32:42.000 --> 00:32:43.000
Of course, it's difficult.

519
00:32:43.000 --> 00:32:46.000
But what I've seen is that they built in a way

520
00:32:46.000 --> 00:32:49.000
that the squad was strong enough to take care of those players

521
00:32:49.000 --> 00:32:51.000
that were not playing and were struggling.

522
00:32:51.000 --> 00:32:53.000
One of the things I've noticed as a change,

523
00:32:53.000 --> 00:32:57.000
especially the season, is all this social media distraction,

524
00:32:57.000 --> 00:32:59.000
people posting on their Instagram stories

525
00:32:59.000 --> 00:33:02.000
when they don't play their brothers sister posting.

526
00:33:02.000 --> 00:33:04.000
My brother should be playing whatever.

527
00:33:04.000 --> 00:33:07.000
All of this sort of social media stuff

528
00:33:07.000 --> 00:33:10.000
that some players were doing over the last couple of years

529
00:33:10.000 --> 00:33:11.000
seems to have vanished.

530
00:33:11.000 --> 00:33:13.000
And this is just an interesting, you know,

531
00:33:13.000 --> 00:33:16.000
we talk about small things, being interesting signals.

532
00:33:16.000 --> 00:33:18.000
It's one of the things I've noticed this year.

533
00:33:18.000 --> 00:33:22.000
There isn't social media nonsense going on.

534
00:33:22.000 --> 00:33:25.000
Like, I guess my question is,

535
00:33:25.000 --> 00:33:27.000
is that something the club has done?

536
00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:29.000
Has there been, have they sat you down

537
00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.000
and said, stop the social media stuff?

538
00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:33.000
Or is it just a consequence of getting the right people together?

539
00:33:33.000 --> 00:33:35.000
I think it's literally both.

540
00:33:35.000 --> 00:33:37.000
But at the same time, I think the club has to be the one

541
00:33:37.000 --> 00:33:38.000
being strong with the players.

542
00:33:38.000 --> 00:33:40.000
When they see something that is not right

543
00:33:40.000 --> 00:33:42.000
or they don't like it or it's not good on the players,

544
00:33:42.000 --> 00:33:46.000
on the team, on the attention this club gets,

545
00:33:46.000 --> 00:33:49.000
I think the club needs to talk with them.

546
00:33:50.000 --> 00:33:53.000
And with the agents, with the families,

547
00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:55.000
whatsoever, that speaks out and says something

548
00:33:55.000 --> 00:33:58.000
because I think it's also on the players to make the families

549
00:33:58.000 --> 00:34:02.000
and everyone that is behind them understand

550
00:34:02.000 --> 00:34:05.000
that what they put out or what they say

551
00:34:05.000 --> 00:34:07.000
can have consequences on our careers.

552
00:34:07.000 --> 00:34:09.000
Do you talk to the players about this?

553
00:34:09.000 --> 00:34:11.000
If I see something that I don't like

554
00:34:11.000 --> 00:34:13.000
or if I see them posting or replying to some people

555
00:34:13.000 --> 00:34:14.000
on social whatsoever,

556
00:34:14.000 --> 00:34:17.000
because for example, from such a young age,

557
00:34:17.000 --> 00:34:19.000
I've said to my parents, I've said to my brother,

558
00:34:19.000 --> 00:34:20.000
I've said to my sister,

559
00:34:20.000 --> 00:34:24.000
I don't want you talking without me knowing it.

560
00:34:24.000 --> 00:34:27.000
Not because they don't know how to talk forever,

561
00:34:27.000 --> 00:34:30.000
but they're not aware what can be part or wrong.

562
00:34:30.000 --> 00:34:34.000
They might think they will say something that is going to be good for me,

563
00:34:34.000 --> 00:34:36.000
but maybe has repercussions on other people

564
00:34:36.000 --> 00:34:38.000
and I don't want them to do that.

565
00:34:38.000 --> 00:34:41.000
So my parents never spoke, my brother never spoke,

566
00:34:41.000 --> 00:34:43.000
my sister never spoke when I wasn't playing.

567
00:34:43.000 --> 00:34:45.000
Let people make noise, let people talk.

568
00:34:45.000 --> 00:34:47.000
It doesn't matter what they say.

569
00:34:47.000 --> 00:34:49.000
I know from my mom, for example,

570
00:34:49.000 --> 00:34:51.000
she suffers a lot with this and I say,

571
00:34:51.000 --> 00:34:52.000
take it in.

572
00:34:52.000 --> 00:34:54.000
Don't care.

573
00:34:54.000 --> 00:34:57.000
Pray it your sense like you do to me all the time

574
00:34:57.000 --> 00:34:59.000
and make sure they do the right thing for me

575
00:34:59.000 --> 00:35:01.000
because that's what matters.

576
00:35:01.000 --> 00:35:04.000
And she comes kind of like it's okay with that.

577
00:35:04.000 --> 00:35:07.000
Obviously, I know that probably when my brother says something

578
00:35:07.000 --> 00:35:08.000
or my sister,

579
00:35:08.000 --> 00:35:09.000
they want to reply to something,

580
00:35:09.000 --> 00:35:10.000
they want to say it's not true.

581
00:35:10.000 --> 00:35:12.000
Why are you talking about this or my brother

582
00:35:12.000 --> 00:35:13.000
or whatever?

583
00:35:13.000 --> 00:35:16.000
I don't want them to get involved in that because not going to be good for them,

584
00:35:16.000 --> 00:35:19.000
not going to be good for me and it's not going to be good for my environment.

585
00:35:19.000 --> 00:35:20.000
I don't want that.

586
00:35:20.000 --> 00:35:23.000
But I think that is because I was strong with my family in the first moment

587
00:35:23.000 --> 00:35:25.000
and I think that's how to have to be.

588
00:35:25.000 --> 00:35:28.000
I don't go home to my family and saying like,

589
00:35:28.000 --> 00:35:31.000
oh, you know, this manager, this manager thought.

590
00:35:31.000 --> 00:35:33.000
I might say what I like or I don't like or whatever,

591
00:35:33.000 --> 00:35:36.000
but I don't go in a way of like,

592
00:35:36.000 --> 00:35:38.000
if I had someone that could put something out

593
00:35:38.000 --> 00:35:40.000
because I've been doing this.

594
00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:43.000
I don't care like to people to put out

595
00:35:43.000 --> 00:35:45.000
or brutally straining so well.

596
00:35:45.000 --> 00:35:46.000
Bruno is doing this.

597
00:35:46.000 --> 00:35:47.000
Bruno is doing that.

598
00:35:47.000 --> 00:35:48.000
I know I'm doing it.

599
00:35:48.000 --> 00:35:50.000
That's enough for me.

600
00:35:50.000 --> 00:35:52.000
And it's true because, you know,

601
00:35:52.000 --> 00:35:55.000
you've been through this process of transition with Oli,

602
00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:56.000
then Carrick, then Raff,

603
00:35:56.000 --> 00:35:59.000
then Eric, then Ruben, then Fletcher, then Carrick again.

604
00:35:59.000 --> 00:36:01.000
And actually one of the remarkable things

605
00:36:01.000 --> 00:36:07.000
is I've never noticed your attitude towards the managers

606
00:36:07.000 --> 00:36:08.000
be any different.

607
00:36:08.000 --> 00:36:09.000
I can't tell.

608
00:36:09.000 --> 00:36:12.000
As far as I'm aware, you support them all.

609
00:36:12.000 --> 00:36:14.000
And that's how it should be, I think.

610
00:36:14.000 --> 00:36:16.000
If you've got a problem, I think as, you know, play,

611
00:36:16.000 --> 00:36:19.000
you should go tell them, but we shouldn't know.

612
00:36:19.000 --> 00:36:21.000
And we don't know.

613
00:36:21.000 --> 00:36:23.000
With you, I don't know what you think of them.

614
00:36:23.000 --> 00:36:24.000
I agree with that.

615
00:36:24.000 --> 00:36:25.000
Because first of all,

616
00:36:25.000 --> 00:36:27.000
I like every manager that comes in my way

617
00:36:27.000 --> 00:36:28.000
because I learn with them.

618
00:36:28.000 --> 00:36:30.000
And every manager that comes in

619
00:36:30.000 --> 00:36:33.000
has their own idea as their own thinking,

620
00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:35.000
as their own way of playing,

621
00:36:35.000 --> 00:36:37.000
and they want me to do one thing,

622
00:36:37.000 --> 00:36:39.000
the other one, another thing, the other one, another thing.

623
00:36:39.000 --> 00:36:40.000
And for me, that's good.

624
00:36:40.000 --> 00:36:42.000
Because they believe that I'm capable

625
00:36:42.000 --> 00:36:44.000
of doing different things that I was doing before.

626
00:36:44.000 --> 00:36:47.000
So what I won't give to the managers

627
00:36:47.000 --> 00:36:51.000
is the choice or the option in their head to think

628
00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:53.000
I'm not going to play Bruno.

629
00:36:53.000 --> 00:36:55.000
What do you do when you're not happy about something, though?

630
00:36:55.000 --> 00:36:57.000
As the captain, do you go have a chat with them?

631
00:36:57.000 --> 00:36:59.000
No, I do whatever they want me to do.

632
00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:01.000
If they think is the best thing for the team,

633
00:37:01.000 --> 00:37:02.000
I'm going to do it.

634
00:37:02.000 --> 00:37:04.000
Either I agree or not,

635
00:37:04.000 --> 00:37:05.000
believe it or not,

636
00:37:06.000 --> 00:37:10.000
I make myself available for what they want to do,

637
00:37:10.000 --> 00:37:11.000
100%.

638
00:37:11.000 --> 00:37:13.000
If then it works or not,

639
00:37:13.000 --> 00:37:16.000
that's on them to decide that.

640
00:37:16.000 --> 00:37:18.000
If it needs to be changed or not,

641
00:37:18.000 --> 00:37:19.000
I'm not going to go to the manager

642
00:37:19.000 --> 00:37:21.000
and ask them to change

643
00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:23.000
formation the way they play.

644
00:37:23.000 --> 00:37:24.000
If they ask me,

645
00:37:24.000 --> 00:37:25.000
I give my opinion.

646
00:37:25.000 --> 00:37:27.000
If they don't ask me,

647
00:37:27.000 --> 00:37:28.000
I don't say anything.

648
00:37:28.000 --> 00:37:31.000
What if you learned about what a good manager does

649
00:37:31.000 --> 00:37:32.000
and how to be a good manager

650
00:37:32.000 --> 00:37:35.000
from the six managers you've had?

651
00:37:35.000 --> 00:37:37.000
For me, look,

652
00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:38.000
through my career,

653
00:37:38.000 --> 00:37:40.000
I've always heard that certain players

654
00:37:40.000 --> 00:37:43.000
should be treated in a different way than other players.

655
00:37:43.000 --> 00:37:45.000
I don't believe in that.

656
00:37:45.000 --> 00:37:47.000
Is that the same as having a business?

657
00:37:47.000 --> 00:37:49.000
You buy certain people to do certain things

658
00:37:49.000 --> 00:37:53.000
because you believe they're the right person to do that.

659
00:37:53.000 --> 00:37:55.000
So I don't think

660
00:37:55.000 --> 00:37:59.000
that you then should change the way you behave with them.

661
00:38:00.000 --> 00:38:04.000
You should probably approach them in different ways.

662
00:38:04.000 --> 00:38:07.000
I believe in that because I'm not the same as you.

663
00:38:07.000 --> 00:38:09.000
So do you treat players differently on the pitch?

664
00:38:09.000 --> 00:38:12.000
Because you shout out lots of your teammates.

665
00:38:12.000 --> 00:38:14.000
Are there some that you won't shout out as much?

666
00:38:14.000 --> 00:38:16.000
I treat all of them the same.

667
00:38:16.000 --> 00:38:18.000
And I think they're kind of getting

668
00:38:18.000 --> 00:38:21.000
to know exactly why I do it.

669
00:38:21.000 --> 00:38:23.000
Everything that we trained in the...

670
00:38:23.000 --> 00:38:24.000
Imagine, let's see.

671
00:38:24.000 --> 00:38:25.000
During the week we trained this.

672
00:38:25.000 --> 00:38:27.000
And we have seen images of this.

673
00:38:27.000 --> 00:38:28.000
I know what you have to do.

674
00:38:28.000 --> 00:38:31.000
The managers prepare for us for that.

675
00:38:31.000 --> 00:38:32.000
I demand that.

676
00:38:32.000 --> 00:38:33.000
At least.

677
00:38:33.000 --> 00:38:35.000
I don't care who you are.

678
00:38:35.000 --> 00:38:37.000
We've been a full week preparing the training,

679
00:38:37.000 --> 00:38:38.000
the game for this.

680
00:38:38.000 --> 00:38:40.000
This we need to know how to do it.

681
00:38:40.000 --> 00:38:43.000
Then if you can make a pass or you can make a goal

682
00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:44.000
or you can make a tackle,

683
00:38:44.000 --> 00:38:45.000
that's different.

684
00:38:45.000 --> 00:38:48.000
That's the qualities I need from each one individually.

685
00:38:48.000 --> 00:38:53.000
But I've learned to talk with them in different ways.

686
00:38:53.000 --> 00:38:56.000
But with the same end result.

687
00:38:56.000 --> 00:38:59.000
Not like I won't like go to one

688
00:38:59.000 --> 00:39:02.000
and say like being scared of saying things to him.

689
00:39:02.000 --> 00:39:03.000
And the other one like,

690
00:39:03.000 --> 00:39:05.000
because he's younger whatsoever,

691
00:39:05.000 --> 00:39:06.000
I'm going to shout at him.

692
00:39:06.000 --> 00:39:07.000
If I have to shout at this one,

693
00:39:07.000 --> 00:39:08.000
I'll shout at this one.

694
00:39:08.000 --> 00:39:10.000
If I have to shout at this one,

695
00:39:10.000 --> 00:39:11.000
I'll shout at this one.

696
00:39:11.000 --> 00:39:12.000
If I have to praise this one,

697
00:39:12.000 --> 00:39:14.000
I'll praise this one in the same way I praise this one.

698
00:39:14.000 --> 00:39:16.000
And I think that you can see in my interviews,

699
00:39:16.000 --> 00:39:19.000
I'm not afraid of saying what I feel.

700
00:39:19.000 --> 00:39:20.000
At the same time,

701
00:39:20.000 --> 00:39:22.000
I'm not afraid of praising players for what they've done

702
00:39:22.000 --> 00:39:23.000
or what they're doing.

703
00:39:24.000 --> 00:39:27.000
Even if they probably in the moment,

704
00:39:27.000 --> 00:39:31.000
they haven't done as much as they needed to get the praise.

705
00:39:31.000 --> 00:39:32.000
But for me,

706
00:39:32.000 --> 00:39:34.000
I think he needs that praise

707
00:39:34.000 --> 00:39:35.000
to get into the next level.

708
00:39:35.000 --> 00:39:37.000
So I'm going to give him something,

709
00:39:37.000 --> 00:39:39.000
but I make him aware.

710
00:39:39.000 --> 00:39:40.000
I've gave you something.

711
00:39:40.000 --> 00:39:42.000
But I'm expecting something more from you.

712
00:39:42.000 --> 00:39:46.000
It's like my dad giving me like,

713
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:48.000
you need to be better, you need to do more.

714
00:39:48.000 --> 00:39:50.000
Because he knows I'm capable of more.

715
00:39:50.000 --> 00:39:52.000
And this is why I demand from the players.

716
00:39:52.000 --> 00:39:54.000
I demand I'm very strong on them

717
00:39:54.000 --> 00:39:57.000
because I really believe in them.

718
00:39:57.000 --> 00:39:59.000
I have said this so many times,

719
00:39:59.000 --> 00:40:00.000
so many different players.

720
00:40:00.000 --> 00:40:01.000
It's like, trust me,

721
00:40:01.000 --> 00:40:02.000
the day I stop talking to you,

722
00:40:02.000 --> 00:40:03.000
the day I start shouting,

723
00:40:03.000 --> 00:40:05.000
I stop shouting at you,

724
00:40:05.000 --> 00:40:07.000
is because I don't believe in you anymore.

725
00:40:07.000 --> 00:40:09.000
And I don't believe you can improve anymore.

726
00:40:09.000 --> 00:40:10.000
Your time at Manchester,

727
00:40:10.000 --> 00:40:12.000
it's been a bit of a roller coaster like this,

728
00:40:12.000 --> 00:40:13.000
kind of like up and down and up and down.

729
00:40:13.000 --> 00:40:14.000
You went second,

730
00:40:14.000 --> 00:40:15.000
and then you dropped down the league.

731
00:40:15.000 --> 00:40:16.000
And I mean,

732
00:40:16.000 --> 00:40:18.000
the last two years have been a prime example of that,

733
00:40:18.000 --> 00:40:20.000
finishing neither the bottom end of the table

734
00:40:20.000 --> 00:40:22.000
and then this year back up to the third.

735
00:40:22.000 --> 00:40:24.000
I'm wondering, as a fan,

736
00:40:24.000 --> 00:40:25.000
when things get bad,

737
00:40:25.000 --> 00:40:27.000
and you hear all these sort of rumors breaking online

738
00:40:27.000 --> 00:40:29.000
that the manager's going to be sacked,

739
00:40:29.000 --> 00:40:32.000
does that impact the dressing room?

740
00:40:32.000 --> 00:40:34.000
Like, do you guys in the dressing room?

741
00:40:34.000 --> 00:40:36.000
Because you've been through it so many times

742
00:40:36.000 --> 00:40:37.000
where a manager has been removed.

743
00:40:37.000 --> 00:40:39.000
How, what's that like

744
00:40:39.000 --> 00:40:42.000
when you know things are going bad?

745
00:40:42.000 --> 00:40:43.000
Well, first of all,

746
00:40:43.000 --> 00:40:44.000
you feel it for the manager.

747
00:40:44.000 --> 00:40:45.000
Really?

748
00:40:45.000 --> 00:40:46.000
Is the first thing

749
00:40:46.000 --> 00:40:48.000
because I think obviously certain players

750
00:40:48.000 --> 00:40:49.000
will feel it more than others,

751
00:40:49.000 --> 00:40:51.000
because it's their players that play more than others.

752
00:40:51.000 --> 00:40:52.000
And they obviously,

753
00:40:52.000 --> 00:40:53.000
the ones that probably don't play,

754
00:40:53.000 --> 00:40:56.000
they don't like to see managers going,

755
00:40:56.000 --> 00:40:57.000
but at the same time,

756
00:40:57.000 --> 00:40:58.000
if a new manager comes in,

757
00:40:58.000 --> 00:40:59.000
there's a new opportunity for them

758
00:40:59.000 --> 00:41:01.000
to probably get into the team

759
00:41:01.000 --> 00:41:02.000
more times they were getting before.

760
00:41:02.000 --> 00:41:04.000
And I think going through the process

761
00:41:04.000 --> 00:41:07.000
of changing one is probably the worst thing in sports

762
00:41:07.000 --> 00:41:10.000
because it's starting from zero again.

763
00:41:10.000 --> 00:41:13.000
And if the people believe it or not,

764
00:41:13.000 --> 00:41:14.000
when you're through a process,

765
00:41:14.000 --> 00:41:16.000
you want to get to the end of the process

766
00:41:17.000 --> 00:41:21.000
and understanding what that has gave to you as a player

767
00:41:21.000 --> 00:41:23.000
and what you can do more

768
00:41:23.000 --> 00:41:24.000
with that stuff,

769
00:41:24.000 --> 00:41:25.000
with that team

770
00:41:25.000 --> 00:41:26.000
and with that manager

771
00:41:26.000 --> 00:41:27.000
to go even furthermore.

772
00:41:27.000 --> 00:41:29.000
Why didn't you lose hope

773
00:41:29.000 --> 00:41:31.000
because you went through that process

774
00:41:31.000 --> 00:41:32.000
of starting from zero,

775
00:41:32.000 --> 00:41:35.000
making progress manager goes back to zero,

776
00:41:35.000 --> 00:41:37.000
making progress manager goes back to zero.

777
00:41:37.000 --> 00:41:38.000
You know why?

778
00:41:38.000 --> 00:41:41.000
Because every time I've spoke this with Diego before,

779
00:41:41.000 --> 00:41:44.000
every time we come for pre-season

780
00:41:44.000 --> 00:41:47.000
is like a new start.

781
00:41:47.000 --> 00:41:49.000
And you always get that belief of like,

782
00:41:49.000 --> 00:41:51.000
this is going to be the time.

783
00:41:51.000 --> 00:41:52.000
This is going to be the time.

784
00:41:52.000 --> 00:41:54.000
It is moments through the season

785
00:41:54.000 --> 00:41:56.000
that you get this belief,

786
00:41:56.000 --> 00:41:58.000
the things are not going well.

787
00:41:58.000 --> 00:42:01.000
But the main thing I have is belief in myself.

788
00:42:01.000 --> 00:42:03.000
So I always think,

789
00:42:03.000 --> 00:42:04.000
if I do things right

790
00:42:04.000 --> 00:42:06.000
and I take people to do things right

791
00:42:06.000 --> 00:42:09.000
and I help them to do things right as a team,

792
00:42:09.000 --> 00:42:12.000
we still have a chance of pushing ourselves

793
00:42:12.000 --> 00:42:13.000
into positions we want to be.

794
00:42:13.000 --> 00:42:15.000
And this, let's say,

795
00:42:15.000 --> 00:42:16.000
this season has been that case

796
00:42:16.000 --> 00:42:18.000
because we struggled.

797
00:42:18.000 --> 00:42:20.000
Obviously, we didn't change manager

798
00:42:20.000 --> 00:42:21.000
because of results

799
00:42:21.000 --> 00:42:23.000
because we were two points behind second place.

800
00:42:23.000 --> 00:42:27.000
And like, five points behind first place,

801
00:42:27.000 --> 00:42:28.000
we were,

802
00:42:28.000 --> 00:42:30.000
same points till,

803
00:42:30.000 --> 00:42:32.000
I think from third to seventh place

804
00:42:32.000 --> 00:42:33.000
was everyone with the same point,

805
00:42:33.000 --> 00:42:34.000
something like that.

806
00:42:34.000 --> 00:42:36.000
So we were there.

807
00:42:36.000 --> 00:42:39.000
Was something different with the club

808
00:42:39.000 --> 00:42:41.000
that they felt that the trust

809
00:42:41.000 --> 00:42:43.000
between them was broke or whatsoever

810
00:42:43.000 --> 00:42:45.000
and they kind of decided

811
00:42:45.000 --> 00:42:48.000
to start a new process.

812
00:42:48.000 --> 00:42:50.000
And that was bad

813
00:42:50.000 --> 00:42:51.000
because for us,

814
00:42:51.000 --> 00:42:52.000
when Ruben came,

815
00:42:52.000 --> 00:42:53.000
what was passed from the club

816
00:42:53.000 --> 00:42:54.000
is like,

817
00:42:54.000 --> 00:42:55.000
this is going to be a process.

818
00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:56.000
But we're going to go through this.

819
00:42:56.000 --> 00:42:58.000
It's going to be good the same bad times.

820
00:42:58.000 --> 00:43:00.000
But we're going to go through this.

821
00:43:00.000 --> 00:43:01.000
Obviously, then the club decided

822
00:43:01.000 --> 00:43:02.000
that it was time to part ways

823
00:43:02.000 --> 00:43:04.000
and he started from zero from,

824
00:43:04.000 --> 00:43:06.000
from with Michael.

825
00:43:06.000 --> 00:43:07.000
But then,

826
00:43:07.000 --> 00:43:09.000
you've got results

827
00:43:09.000 --> 00:43:11.000
and you went to the end of the season

828
00:43:11.000 --> 00:43:12.000
and you finished third.

829
00:43:12.000 --> 00:43:14.000
And you finished what

830
00:43:14.000 --> 00:43:16.000
doing probably in the time Michael was here

831
00:43:16.000 --> 00:43:17.000
till the end of the season,

832
00:43:17.000 --> 00:43:18.000
till now is,

833
00:43:18.000 --> 00:43:19.000
we probably the team

834
00:43:19.000 --> 00:43:20.000
that has made more points.

835
00:43:20.000 --> 00:43:21.000
What did Michael change?

836
00:43:21.000 --> 00:43:23.000
I think in the first moment,

837
00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:25.000
what Michael tried to do

838
00:43:25.000 --> 00:43:27.000
is like to give stability to the team

839
00:43:27.000 --> 00:43:29.000
because as everyone understands

840
00:43:29.000 --> 00:43:31.000
when you come in after a break,

841
00:43:31.000 --> 00:43:33.000
you understand that

842
00:43:33.000 --> 00:43:35.000
you need to give stability

843
00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:37.000
and peace of mind

844
00:43:37.000 --> 00:43:39.000
to the players to get back

845
00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:40.000
to the level

846
00:43:40.000 --> 00:43:42.000
you thought we could have.

847
00:43:42.000 --> 00:43:44.000
And he brought the foundation

848
00:43:44.000 --> 00:43:47.000
and the base that has been in this club

849
00:43:47.000 --> 00:43:49.000
from the time he played

850
00:43:49.000 --> 00:43:51.000
till the time he managed

851
00:43:51.000 --> 00:43:52.000
and then he left.

852
00:43:52.000 --> 00:43:54.000
So he knows the club.

853
00:43:54.000 --> 00:43:56.000
He knows how the club wants to play

854
00:43:56.000 --> 00:43:58.000
and he knows what the fans want to see.

855
00:43:58.000 --> 00:44:00.000
How is he different?

856
00:44:00.000 --> 00:44:01.000
Like, what's tactically

857
00:44:01.000 --> 00:44:03.000
or from a character perspective?

858
00:44:03.000 --> 00:44:05.000
What does Michael bring

859
00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:06.000
as a manager?

860
00:44:06.000 --> 00:44:08.000
As just an hour ago,

861
00:44:08.000 --> 00:44:10.000
it was announced that he's going to be

862
00:44:10.000 --> 00:44:11.000
the manager going forward,

863
00:44:11.000 --> 00:44:12.000
which is great news.

864
00:44:12.000 --> 00:44:14.000
But what is,

865
00:44:14.000 --> 00:44:16.000
if you had to describe him

866
00:44:16.000 --> 00:44:17.000
to me as a leader and a manager,

867
00:44:17.000 --> 00:44:18.000
how is he different?

868
00:44:18.000 --> 00:44:20.000
I think he's a very,

869
00:44:20.000 --> 00:44:22.000
he gives you a lot of kindness,

870
00:44:22.000 --> 00:44:24.000
you know, in terms of

871
00:44:24.000 --> 00:44:26.000
why he wants from the team

872
00:44:26.000 --> 00:44:28.000
the way he demands the way he coaches.

873
00:44:28.000 --> 00:44:30.000
He gives you a good way

874
00:44:30.000 --> 00:44:32.000
of going to the game

875
00:44:32.000 --> 00:44:33.000
with a good peace of mind.

876
00:44:33.000 --> 00:44:35.000
But with a lot of responsibility

877
00:44:35.000 --> 00:44:36.000
because I think,

878
00:44:36.000 --> 00:44:38.000
from the time he was here

879
00:44:38.000 --> 00:44:39.000
with Saralax,

880
00:44:39.000 --> 00:44:40.000
he gave a lot of responsibility

881
00:44:40.000 --> 00:44:42.000
to the players to make decisions

882
00:44:42.000 --> 00:44:43.000
and to make choices on the pitch

883
00:44:43.000 --> 00:44:45.000
that have to be on you.

884
00:44:45.000 --> 00:44:46.000
He gives you the base,

885
00:44:46.000 --> 00:44:47.000
he gives you the foundation,

886
00:44:47.000 --> 00:44:49.000
he gives you certain rules

887
00:44:49.000 --> 00:44:51.000
that he's like the non-negotiable ones.

888
00:44:51.000 --> 00:44:53.000
But then he also knows

889
00:44:53.000 --> 00:44:54.000
and he wants us

890
00:44:54.000 --> 00:44:55.000
to take some responsibility

891
00:44:55.000 --> 00:44:56.000
through the game

892
00:44:56.000 --> 00:44:57.000
that things might change.

893
00:44:57.000 --> 00:44:58.000
Because you prepare a game

894
00:44:58.000 --> 00:44:59.000
full week, obviously.

895
00:44:59.000 --> 00:45:01.000
But then the team could come

896
00:45:01.000 --> 00:45:02.000
and do a different thing.

897
00:45:02.000 --> 00:45:03.000
Like, you prepare to play

898
00:45:03.000 --> 00:45:04.000
against the 4-3-3

899
00:45:04.000 --> 00:45:05.000
because they always play

900
00:45:05.000 --> 00:45:06.000
4-3-3 and then they come

901
00:45:06.000 --> 00:45:07.000
and they play 3-5-2.

902
00:45:07.000 --> 00:45:08.000
And then you go like,

903
00:45:08.000 --> 00:45:09.000
oh, and now,

904
00:45:09.000 --> 00:45:11.000
the manager can't be on the sideline

905
00:45:11.000 --> 00:45:12.000
telling you where to press,

906
00:45:12.000 --> 00:45:13.000
where to go.

907
00:45:13.000 --> 00:45:15.000
So, as a player,

908
00:45:15.000 --> 00:45:16.000
have the foundation,

909
00:45:16.000 --> 00:45:17.000
have the base,

910
00:45:17.000 --> 00:45:18.000
have the rules non-negotiable

911
00:45:18.000 --> 00:45:19.000
and from there on,

912
00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:21.000
we need to find a way of like,

913
00:45:21.000 --> 00:45:22.000
okay,

914
00:45:22.000 --> 00:45:24.000
let's imagine we come press

915
00:45:24.000 --> 00:45:25.000
because they've changed everything

916
00:45:25.000 --> 00:45:26.000
and the press we prepare

917
00:45:26.000 --> 00:45:28.000
was not the one we needed.

918
00:45:28.000 --> 00:45:29.000
Let's get compact.

919
00:45:29.000 --> 00:45:30.000
Let's get together.

920
00:45:30.000 --> 00:45:31.000
They don't get into our block.

921
00:45:31.000 --> 00:45:32.000
When we have the ball,

922
00:45:32.000 --> 00:45:33.000
we play with the ball.

923
00:45:33.000 --> 00:45:34.000
We get into the half-time

924
00:45:34.000 --> 00:45:35.000
and then the manager will give us

925
00:45:35.000 --> 00:45:36.000
the message he wants to give

926
00:45:36.000 --> 00:45:37.000
or whatever he has seen,

927
00:45:37.000 --> 00:45:38.000
that we need to do differently

928
00:45:38.000 --> 00:45:40.000
in a way of getting a better result

929
00:45:40.000 --> 00:45:42.000
from the pressure.

930
00:45:42.000 --> 00:45:43.000
And I think that's what he gave

931
00:45:43.000 --> 00:45:45.000
to us, the calmness

932
00:45:45.000 --> 00:45:46.000
and the way he prepares games

933
00:45:46.000 --> 00:45:47.000
was very good.

934
00:45:47.000 --> 00:45:48.000
But when things were not going

935
00:45:48.000 --> 00:45:50.000
in the way we wanted,

936
00:45:50.000 --> 00:45:52.000
he gave the responsibility

937
00:45:52.000 --> 00:45:54.000
to the players to make it work,

938
00:45:54.000 --> 00:45:55.000
then we solve it.

939
00:45:55.000 --> 00:45:57.000
Ah, so like a bit of freedom.

940
00:45:57.000 --> 00:45:58.000
It's not exactly freedom

941
00:45:58.000 --> 00:46:01.000
because freedom is a different thing.

942
00:46:01.000 --> 00:46:02.000
It gives you freedom

943
00:46:02.000 --> 00:46:04.000
with the ball to make decisions

944
00:46:04.000 --> 00:46:05.000
because it says,

945
00:46:05.000 --> 00:46:07.000
that's your responsibility on the ball.

946
00:46:07.000 --> 00:46:08.000
I can't tell you where to pass the ball.

947
00:46:08.000 --> 00:46:10.000
I can't tell you where to shoot.

948
00:46:10.000 --> 00:46:11.000
I can help you

949
00:46:11.000 --> 00:46:12.000
where the space is going to be.

950
00:46:12.000 --> 00:46:13.000
And I think that the most

951
00:46:13.000 --> 00:46:14.000
important thing for a player

952
00:46:14.000 --> 00:46:16.000
is knowing where space is going to be.

953
00:46:16.000 --> 00:46:18.000
You need to know where spaces are

954
00:46:18.000 --> 00:46:20.000
to then play with it.

955
00:46:20.000 --> 00:46:22.000
You know that they have big ups there

956
00:46:22.000 --> 00:46:23.000
that we can hurt them from there.

957
00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:24.000
And this is the message

958
00:46:24.000 --> 00:46:25.000
that Michael has passed

959
00:46:25.000 --> 00:46:26.000
to the team.

960
00:46:26.000 --> 00:46:28.000
It's like, if we talk from here,

961
00:46:28.000 --> 00:46:29.000
they have less people on this side.

962
00:46:30.000 --> 00:46:32.000
We can bring more people in the box from this side.

963
00:46:32.000 --> 00:46:34.000
We want a very good counter press

964
00:46:34.000 --> 00:46:35.000
because they have two strikers.

965
00:46:35.000 --> 00:46:37.000
So we need to have three people in the back.

966
00:46:37.000 --> 00:46:39.000
Two of them mark.

967
00:46:39.000 --> 00:46:40.000
One of them stays behind.

968
00:46:40.000 --> 00:46:41.000
So this is the small things

969
00:46:41.000 --> 00:46:43.000
and the foundation that it gives to us.

970
00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:45.000
But then it says many times.

971
00:46:45.000 --> 00:46:46.000
I can't tell you where to pass.

972
00:46:46.000 --> 00:46:47.000
I can't tell you where to shoot.

973
00:46:47.000 --> 00:46:49.000
I give you the solutions.

974
00:46:49.000 --> 00:46:50.000
But might not be there.

975
00:46:50.000 --> 00:46:52.000
So you have to find a way

976
00:46:52.000 --> 00:46:53.000
of making the good pass,

977
00:46:53.000 --> 00:46:55.000
the good shot, the good decision.

978
00:46:55.000 --> 00:46:56.000
Because I'm not going to be in your head

979
00:46:56.000 --> 00:46:58.000
in that moment.

980
00:46:58.000 --> 00:46:59.000
In your head,

981
00:46:59.000 --> 00:47:00.000
it's going to be the ideas I gave you.

982
00:47:00.000 --> 00:47:02.000
And some of them will be good.

983
00:47:02.000 --> 00:47:04.000
Some of them won't work out.

984
00:47:04.000 --> 00:47:06.000
So you have to make a way of like,

985
00:47:06.000 --> 00:47:08.000
understand the good ones I gave you.

986
00:47:08.000 --> 00:47:10.000
And the other ones that are not working well,

987
00:47:10.000 --> 00:47:12.000
you need to find a way of making it work.

988
00:47:12.000 --> 00:47:14.000
So it's more just he gives you the principles

989
00:47:14.000 --> 00:47:17.000
instead of specific instructions

990
00:47:17.000 --> 00:47:19.000
on how to play and what to do.

991
00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:21.000
It kind of gives you,

992
00:47:21.000 --> 00:47:23.000
but then it lets you balance through the game.

993
00:47:23.000 --> 00:47:24.000
Okay.

994
00:47:24.000 --> 00:47:28.000
Let's let's say you let's the players read the game

995
00:47:28.000 --> 00:47:30.000
because in 90 minutes,

996
00:47:30.000 --> 00:47:31.000
many things happen.

997
00:47:31.000 --> 00:47:33.000
And not going to always happen

998
00:47:33.000 --> 00:47:34.000
where you see in the video.

999
00:47:34.000 --> 00:47:36.000
Hopefully, yes, but not always.

1000
00:47:36.000 --> 00:47:40.000
For example, let's say we had the chance against

1001
00:47:40.000 --> 00:47:42.000
Nottingham Forest,

1002
00:47:42.000 --> 00:47:45.000
that I passed the ball through Brian and his course.

1003
00:47:45.000 --> 00:47:47.000
We have seen the same chance

1004
00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:49.000
from Villa against Forest.

1005
00:47:49.000 --> 00:47:51.000
The exact same chance,

1006
00:47:51.000 --> 00:47:52.000
exact same movements,

1007
00:47:52.000 --> 00:47:54.000
exact same passes.

1008
00:47:54.000 --> 00:47:55.000
And we've seen that.

1009
00:47:55.000 --> 00:47:56.000
We visualized that.

1010
00:47:56.000 --> 00:47:58.000
And that's why that works.

1011
00:47:58.000 --> 00:48:00.000
Because we had the ideas.

1012
00:48:00.000 --> 00:48:02.000
We knew we could make that happen.

1013
00:48:02.000 --> 00:48:04.000
And we made it.

1014
00:48:04.000 --> 00:48:05.000
To see get angry.

1015
00:48:05.000 --> 00:48:07.000
Because he seems like such a calm guy.

1016
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:08.000
When you see him in press conferences,

1017
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:09.000
he's very calm and very, you know.

1018
00:48:09.000 --> 00:48:10.000
Yeah, he did,

1019
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:12.000
he did caught hungry one, one sort twice.

1020
00:48:12.000 --> 00:48:15.000
But he's very calm in the way he speaks.

1021
00:48:15.000 --> 00:48:16.000
But I think,

1022
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:18.000
I think everyone gets hungry anyway.

1023
00:48:18.000 --> 00:48:20.000
But he's a very calm presence.

1024
00:48:20.000 --> 00:48:22.000
And he's someone that speaks very well,

1025
00:48:22.000 --> 00:48:24.000
knows the timing, the words,

1026
00:48:24.000 --> 00:48:26.000
he knows what to say.

1027
00:48:26.000 --> 00:48:28.000
And whenever he got,

1028
00:48:28.000 --> 00:48:30.000
let's say,

1029
00:48:30.000 --> 00:48:32.000
let's say more aggressive within us

1030
00:48:32.000 --> 00:48:35.000
was the time that we needed to get that from him.

1031
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:37.000
And the way that you play is interesting.

1032
00:48:37.000 --> 00:48:40.000
Because when I was looking at a bunch of your quotes over time,

1033
00:48:40.000 --> 00:48:42.000
but also how I think about business,

1034
00:48:42.000 --> 00:48:45.000
you are a player that takes more risks than most people.

1035
00:48:45.000 --> 00:48:47.000
And we talk a lot about failure in business

1036
00:48:47.000 --> 00:48:49.000
and how you have to increase your rate of failure

1037
00:48:49.000 --> 00:48:51.000
to get better outcomes.

1038
00:48:51.000 --> 00:48:54.000
But your play that is not shy of taking a risk.

1039
00:48:54.000 --> 00:48:57.000
And you play in a way where you sometimes lose the ball.

1040
00:48:57.000 --> 00:49:00.000
But you also, as we've seen this year in many other years,

1041
00:49:00.000 --> 00:49:02.000
you often are generating more opportunities

1042
00:49:02.000 --> 00:49:04.000
than any other player on the pitch.

1043
00:49:04.000 --> 00:49:05.000
How do you think about this?

1044
00:49:05.000 --> 00:49:07.000
Because the way you play means that sometimes

1045
00:49:07.000 --> 00:49:09.000
you're going to make a lot of mistakes.

1046
00:49:09.000 --> 00:49:10.000
You're going to lose the ball.

1047
00:49:10.000 --> 00:49:11.000
More so than other players.

1048
00:49:11.000 --> 00:49:14.000
I'd argue even more so than some of the previous midfielders

1049
00:49:14.000 --> 00:49:15.000
we've had, like Carrick,

1050
00:49:15.000 --> 00:49:17.000
who would often choose a more safe option

1051
00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:19.000
than trying to play it through a thin gap.

1052
00:49:19.000 --> 00:49:21.000
What's your attitude towards risk?

1053
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:23.000
I think it's always risk reward.

1054
00:49:23.000 --> 00:49:26.000
You need to understand on what reward you're going to get from that.

1055
00:49:26.000 --> 00:49:31.000
And if taking that risk is good for the team or not.

1056
00:49:31.000 --> 00:49:33.000
Let's say the position I play,

1057
00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:35.000
you need that.

1058
00:49:35.000 --> 00:49:39.000
It's as to be one of your main skills to take risks,

1059
00:49:39.000 --> 00:49:43.000
to do things that the game demands from you

1060
00:49:43.000 --> 00:49:47.000
and to make sure that your teammates in the front

1061
00:49:47.000 --> 00:49:50.000
get the ball in the positions that is going to be

1062
00:49:50.000 --> 00:49:54.000
the rate of success for them to score a goal is going to be higher.

1063
00:49:54.000 --> 00:49:57.000
I might miss two or three times,

1064
00:49:57.000 --> 00:49:59.000
but if I get one right,

1065
00:49:59.000 --> 00:50:01.000
that can become a goal for us.

1066
00:50:01.000 --> 00:50:05.000
I think there's nothing better than a risk reward that is a goal.

1067
00:50:05.000 --> 00:50:09.000
So I think when you play as a number 10 position,

1068
00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:11.000
obviously you don't want to lose the ball.

1069
00:50:11.000 --> 00:50:15.000
You have to make that as less as possible.

1070
00:50:15.000 --> 00:50:17.000
But in certain positions,

1071
00:50:17.000 --> 00:50:19.000
you lose the ball more often than others.

1072
00:50:19.000 --> 00:50:22.000
Wingers will lose the ball the ball on one view once.

1073
00:50:22.000 --> 00:50:24.000
Then midfielders do.

1074
00:50:24.000 --> 00:50:29.000
Fullbacks will do normally more crosses than centerbacks will do.

1075
00:50:29.000 --> 00:50:33.000
Number six is will make more tackles than a striker will do.

1076
00:50:33.000 --> 00:50:36.000
So is a balance in the team that you need to have.

1077
00:50:36.000 --> 00:50:39.000
Let's imagine I played with

1078
00:50:39.000 --> 00:50:41.000
Coby and Cassad.

1079
00:50:41.000 --> 00:50:43.000
They're not a risk player.

1080
00:50:43.000 --> 00:50:45.000
So if I take four times,

1081
00:50:45.000 --> 00:50:49.000
let's say, a risky pass and they take one each,

1082
00:50:49.000 --> 00:50:51.000
that's six times again.

1083
00:50:51.000 --> 00:50:54.000
So I need to be the one that takes four.

1084
00:50:54.000 --> 00:50:57.000
They need to be the ones that take one one each.

1085
00:50:57.000 --> 00:51:00.000
Because the responsibility that I have in the team

1086
00:51:00.000 --> 00:51:03.000
is the one that they make the team play from the buildup,

1087
00:51:03.000 --> 00:51:06.000
push the team forward to then get the ball into the players

1088
00:51:06.000 --> 00:51:08.000
that have to take the risks.

1089
00:51:08.000 --> 00:51:12.000
Because if you don't have the players that take the risks,

1090
00:51:12.000 --> 00:51:14.000
you're going to end up bubbling.

1091
00:51:14.000 --> 00:51:18.000
And we talk like, for example, let's say,

1092
00:51:18.000 --> 00:51:20.000
Man City, there is a team that's that,

1093
00:51:20.000 --> 00:51:23.000
I'd say Guardiola Tigitaka, all these things.

1094
00:51:23.000 --> 00:51:25.000
The Bruin was the player that take the risks.

1095
00:51:25.000 --> 00:51:27.000
Cherke is now the player that take the risks.

1096
00:51:27.000 --> 00:51:30.000
Phil Fulton, Doc who, Maris,

1097
00:51:30.000 --> 00:51:33.000
will be the ones that take the risks on a one view one.

1098
00:51:33.000 --> 00:51:35.000
Has the manager ever told you to take less risks?

1099
00:51:35.000 --> 00:51:41.000
Eric told me to take less shots from the outside of the box.

1100
00:51:41.000 --> 00:51:46.000
He showed me a board with my success rating of shots on target,

1101
00:51:46.000 --> 00:51:48.000
shots of target and goals.

1102
00:51:48.000 --> 00:51:51.000
Show me the positions where I was more effective.

1103
00:51:51.000 --> 00:51:54.000
And he told me, I think you need to get more into these positions

1104
00:51:54.000 --> 00:51:56.000
to then make a shot into what positions.

1105
00:51:56.000 --> 00:51:59.000
Let's say close to the box.

1106
00:51:59.000 --> 00:52:02.000
Like in the position, we will see the box.

1107
00:52:02.000 --> 00:52:04.000
And you would say like more towards the left hand side,

1108
00:52:04.000 --> 00:52:05.000
you score more goals.

1109
00:52:05.000 --> 00:52:07.000
More towards the right hand side,

1110
00:52:07.000 --> 00:52:09.000
you aim more the goal.

1111
00:52:09.000 --> 00:52:13.000
Towards the middle of the edge of the box,

1112
00:52:13.000 --> 00:52:15.000
you miss more shots.

1113
00:52:15.000 --> 00:52:17.000
So he was like, get more into the left side,

1114
00:52:17.000 --> 00:52:19.000
don't get more into the right side,

1115
00:52:19.000 --> 00:52:21.000
or close range, long range.

1116
00:52:21.000 --> 00:52:26.000
So, but then obviously we come back to the risk and reward.

1117
00:52:26.000 --> 00:52:29.000
Because sometimes obviously you're going to score a great goal

1118
00:52:29.000 --> 00:52:31.000
from 25 yards out.

1119
00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:33.000
But how many times you're going to do it?

1120
00:52:33.000 --> 00:52:35.000
Out of five, you maybe score one.

1121
00:52:35.000 --> 00:52:37.000
And he's a lot already.

1122
00:52:37.000 --> 00:52:42.000
So I need to make that risk become less and less and less.

1123
00:52:42.000 --> 00:52:45.000
Getting more risk probably from 18 yards.

1124
00:52:45.000 --> 00:52:48.000
Because there's a possibility of miss scoring a goal.

1125
00:52:48.000 --> 00:52:51.000
He might be three in five.

1126
00:52:51.000 --> 00:52:53.000
Because I'm much more closer.

1127
00:52:53.000 --> 00:52:55.000
I can put more power in the ball.

1128
00:52:55.000 --> 00:52:57.000
I can be much more effective.

1129
00:52:57.000 --> 00:53:00.000
I've spent the last decade building and investing in companies.

1130
00:53:00.000 --> 00:53:02.000
And so often the conversation around marketing budgets

1131
00:53:02.000 --> 00:53:04.000
follows the exact same pattern.

1132
00:53:04.000 --> 00:53:05.000
The budget gets approved.

1133
00:53:05.000 --> 00:53:07.000
But then the results don't come back.

1134
00:53:07.000 --> 00:53:10.000
And most of the time, the creative pitch and the offer is fine.

1135
00:53:10.000 --> 00:53:12.000
The problem lies with the audience.

1136
00:53:12.000 --> 00:53:16.000
Ads reach people who will never buy or rougher.

1137
00:53:16.000 --> 00:53:18.000
Nor do they have the power to sign off anything at all.

1138
00:53:18.000 --> 00:53:21.000
And this is why so much budget gets wasted.

1139
00:53:21.000 --> 00:53:23.000
LinkedIn ads, response of this podcast,

1140
00:53:23.000 --> 00:53:26.000
lets you reach them specifically by job title,

1141
00:53:26.000 --> 00:53:29.000
seniority, company size, industry,

1142
00:53:29.000 --> 00:53:31.000
the skills that they have and much more.

1143
00:53:31.000 --> 00:53:34.000
You're no longer hoping your ad reaches the right person.

1144
00:53:34.000 --> 00:53:36.000
Instead, you're defining exactly who sees it.

1145
00:53:36.000 --> 00:53:39.000
And LinkedIn ads drives the highest B2B return

1146
00:53:39.000 --> 00:53:42.000
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1147
00:53:42.000 --> 00:53:45.000
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1148
00:53:45.000 --> 00:53:48.000
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1149
00:53:48.000 --> 00:53:51.000
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1150
00:53:51.000 --> 00:53:55.000
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1151
00:53:55.000 --> 00:53:57.000
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1152
00:53:57.000 --> 00:54:00.000
Of all the things I thought would ever turn up on my desk.

1153
00:54:00.000 --> 00:54:03.000
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1154
00:54:03.000 --> 00:54:05.000
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1155
00:54:05.000 --> 00:54:07.000
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1156
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1157
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1158
00:54:12.000 --> 00:54:14.000
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1159
00:54:14.000 --> 00:54:15.000
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1160
00:54:15.000 --> 00:54:18.000
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1161
00:54:18.000 --> 00:54:20.000
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1162
00:54:20.000 --> 00:54:22.000
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1163
00:54:22.000 --> 00:54:23.000
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1164
00:54:23.000 --> 00:54:26.000
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1165
00:54:26.000 --> 00:54:31.000
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1166
00:54:31.000 --> 00:54:33.000
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1167
00:54:33.000 --> 00:54:37.000
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1168
00:54:37.000 --> 00:54:39.000
And I'm using it at least two times a day at the moment

1169
00:54:39.000 --> 00:54:40.000
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1170
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1171
00:54:43.000 --> 00:54:44.000
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1172
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1173
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1174
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1175
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1176
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1177
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You've had lots of managers, so they've all asked you

1178
00:55:06.000 --> 00:55:09.000
have different to be, you know, playing different positions.

1179
00:55:09.000 --> 00:55:16.000
But on this pitch here, where is it that you like to play the most?

1180
00:55:16.000 --> 00:55:22.000
I think the positions where I can be more effective is this square.

1181
00:55:23.000 --> 00:55:24.000
Here.

1182
00:55:24.000 --> 00:55:26.000
I would say that's, let's put it like this.

1183
00:55:26.000 --> 00:55:28.000
Not just, just me the square.

1184
00:55:28.000 --> 00:55:29.000
Oh, it's the square.

1185
00:55:29.000 --> 00:55:33.000
This is, let's say, imagine we are talking this style.

1186
00:55:33.000 --> 00:55:39.000
This is the spaces where I think I can be more effective in this square.

1187
00:55:39.000 --> 00:55:43.000
And different managers asked you to play in different positions within here?

1188
00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:44.000
Yes.

1189
00:55:44.000 --> 00:55:48.000
Because for example, let's say, let's put here.

1190
00:55:48.000 --> 00:55:52.000
With Ruben, he used to play three at the back.

1191
00:55:52.000 --> 00:55:57.000
One wing back, two midfielders, another one back.

1192
00:55:57.000 --> 00:56:00.000
Two tens.

1193
00:56:00.000 --> 00:56:07.000
With Ruben, I played a lot of times here in this position when he first came.

1194
00:56:07.000 --> 00:56:12.000
And in this position, these two, more than often,

1195
00:56:12.000 --> 00:56:16.000
you wanted me to be one of these two to help here.

1196
00:56:16.000 --> 00:56:19.000
To help these two midfielders to build up.

1197
00:56:19.000 --> 00:56:24.000
And to get this high higher, the position when you can be in the last line,

1198
00:56:24.000 --> 00:56:26.000
and to get the ball into this tube.

1199
00:56:26.000 --> 00:56:28.000
So what position would you call that?

1200
00:56:28.000 --> 00:56:30.000
This was the left, then, let's say.

1201
00:56:30.000 --> 00:56:34.000
But he wanted me to play more like as a left midfielder,

1202
00:56:34.000 --> 00:56:38.000
to help them to like, first of all, to have more stability in the middle.

1203
00:56:38.000 --> 00:56:41.000
Second, to get the ball going forward.

1204
00:56:41.000 --> 00:56:43.000
To take the risk of passing the ball forward.

1205
00:56:43.000 --> 00:56:45.000
Then I played a lot of times here.

1206
00:56:45.000 --> 00:56:48.000
What we're going to do is we're going to make you, unfortunately,

1207
00:56:48.000 --> 00:56:51.000
we're going to make you blow just so we can see which one you are.

1208
00:56:51.000 --> 00:56:54.000
So in this one, when I played here many times,

1209
00:56:54.000 --> 00:56:57.000
he wanted me here because they were pressing, let's say, three against three.

1210
00:56:57.000 --> 00:57:00.000
And he wanted me to come and do the overload.

1211
00:57:00.000 --> 00:57:03.000
So we have one more player to build up.

1212
00:57:03.000 --> 00:57:06.000
So they will open up these ones, a little bit more.

1213
00:57:06.000 --> 00:57:07.000
Get this one more offensive.

1214
00:57:07.000 --> 00:57:09.000
Normally, it was Luke Shaw.

1215
00:57:09.000 --> 00:57:12.000
And as a full buck, he was used to play in this space.

1216
00:57:12.000 --> 00:57:15.000
Luke could drive the ball and they could impress with the three they had.

1217
00:57:15.000 --> 00:57:18.000
They would be able to press because we always had this one also to bounce the ball.

1218
00:57:18.000 --> 00:57:23.000
Then whenever we go up the pitch with the ball, you wanted me here.

1219
00:57:23.000 --> 00:57:24.000
Reving it.

1220
00:57:24.000 --> 00:57:25.000
Yeah.

1221
00:57:25.000 --> 00:57:30.000
You want me to play more, a little bit more higher to be one of the three tens

1222
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:32.000
and make this line of three tens.

1223
00:57:32.000 --> 00:57:36.000
Then, for example, with the ole, I was playing,

1224
00:57:36.000 --> 00:57:40.000
we would play like four, two, three, one.

1225
00:57:40.000 --> 00:57:42.000
And it would be the number ten.

1226
00:57:42.000 --> 00:57:44.000
And he wanted me to do this.

1227
00:57:44.000 --> 00:57:46.000
I take it across.

1228
00:57:46.000 --> 00:57:48.000
And sometimes you wanted me to do this.

1229
00:57:48.000 --> 00:57:54.000
And get the ball here or here to make the long passes and to make the switches to the wingers.

1230
00:57:54.000 --> 00:58:01.000
I think this bit here in the middle is where I'm more against,

1231
00:58:01.000 --> 00:58:05.000
I think we all can see the best version of Bruno.

1232
00:58:05.000 --> 00:58:10.000
If you ask me where I prefer to play, anywhere on the pitch.

1233
00:58:10.000 --> 00:58:17.000
I think, for the way we play, this is the position I can be more effective,

1234
00:58:17.000 --> 00:58:23.000
but I think I really enjoy to play here because I really enjoy to get the team to play.

1235
00:58:23.000 --> 00:58:28.000
And if you, I played many times with the ten out like this,

1236
00:58:28.000 --> 00:58:31.000
I was the number six playing with two eighths.

1237
00:58:31.000 --> 00:58:33.000
I really enjoy it to play here.

1238
00:58:33.000 --> 00:58:38.000
And he make myself a different player, more aggressive off the ball,

1239
00:58:38.000 --> 00:58:41.000
someone that has to cover spaces for these ones.

1240
00:58:41.000 --> 00:58:44.000
Regardless of where you are on the pitch, which can change,

1241
00:58:44.000 --> 00:58:48.000
what is non-negotiable in terms of how you play?

1242
00:58:48.000 --> 00:58:50.000
Commitment.

1243
00:58:50.000 --> 00:58:52.000
That's non-negotiable.

1244
00:58:52.000 --> 00:58:55.000
Like the commitment I have for what we have to do.

1245
00:58:55.000 --> 00:58:58.000
It doesn't change by me liking the position or not,

1246
00:58:58.000 --> 00:59:02.000
me preferring one position or the other.

1247
00:59:02.000 --> 00:59:05.000
That won't change.

1248
00:59:05.000 --> 00:59:11.000
I think running, fighting, and team spirit can never miss.

1249
00:59:11.000 --> 00:59:14.000
It doesn't appear to me that you ever get tired.

1250
00:59:14.000 --> 00:59:17.000
And also one remarkable thing about you is you don't seem to ever get injured.

1251
00:59:17.000 --> 00:59:19.000
I get tired.

1252
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.000
But how does that happen?

1253
00:59:21.000 --> 00:59:25.000
Because I want you to be the 89th minute and you're running up and down still.

1254
00:59:25.000 --> 00:59:27.000
Is that genetic or is that something you do in training?

1255
00:59:27.000 --> 00:59:28.000
What is that?

1256
00:59:28.000 --> 00:59:31.000
I think, obviously, I have to say that I have good genetics.

1257
00:59:31.000 --> 00:59:36.000
But I was talking video about this the other day,

1258
00:59:36.000 --> 00:59:39.000
also in the nutritionist about genetics.

1259
00:59:39.000 --> 00:59:42.000
How you treat yourself and everything.

1260
00:59:42.000 --> 00:59:44.000
But then at the same time, I said to them,

1261
00:59:44.000 --> 00:59:46.000
you know what's different on me than the other ones?

1262
00:59:46.000 --> 00:59:48.000
Because I always train and under percent.

1263
00:59:48.000 --> 00:59:50.000
I make the training as a game.

1264
00:59:50.000 --> 00:59:51.000
I don't care.

1265
00:59:51.000 --> 00:59:52.000
I go full.

1266
00:59:52.000 --> 00:59:54.000
I don't feel good.

1267
00:59:54.000 --> 00:59:55.000
I need to make some extra.

1268
00:59:55.000 --> 00:59:58.000
If I feel that the training wasn't enough,

1269
00:59:58.000 --> 00:59:59.000
let's do something else.

1270
00:59:59.000 --> 01:00:00.000
Let's do some shots.

1271
01:00:00.000 --> 01:00:02.000
Let's do some crosses to someone.

1272
01:00:02.000 --> 01:00:06.000
Let's do something that can make me go out of training and feeling like I'm tired.

1273
01:00:06.000 --> 01:00:08.000
What is that important?

1274
01:00:08.000 --> 01:00:10.000
Because I think in the game you need to get tired.

1275
01:00:10.000 --> 01:00:12.000
And then, you know, like, for example,

1276
01:00:12.000 --> 01:00:17.000
when I'm training shooting practice or last third passes,

1277
01:00:17.000 --> 01:00:19.000
I rather train that when I'm tired.

1278
01:00:19.000 --> 01:00:22.000
Maybe the last 20 minutes of the game,

1279
01:00:22.000 --> 01:00:25.000
your brain is not going to work in the same way it was working in the beginning

1280
01:00:25.000 --> 01:00:29.000
because you get tired and you get to think slower a little bit.

1281
01:00:29.000 --> 01:00:34.000
So you need to be able to train your body and your brain when they are tired.

1282
01:00:34.000 --> 01:00:36.000
And I think if you do that in training,

1283
01:00:36.000 --> 01:00:39.000
when you get to the game and you start getting tired,

1284
01:00:39.000 --> 01:00:41.000
your brain is used to that also.

1285
01:00:41.000 --> 01:00:46.000
Your body is used to be tired and it knows how to react into that moment.

1286
01:00:46.000 --> 01:00:49.000
And I think it's important to be able to do that in training.

1287
01:00:49.000 --> 01:00:52.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1288
01:00:52.000 --> 01:00:55.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1289
01:00:55.000 --> 01:00:57.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1290
01:00:57.000 --> 01:00:59.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1291
01:00:59.000 --> 01:01:01.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1292
01:01:01.000 --> 01:01:03.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1293
01:01:03.000 --> 01:01:05.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1294
01:01:05.000 --> 01:01:07.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1295
01:01:07.000 --> 01:01:09.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1296
01:01:09.000 --> 01:01:11.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1297
01:01:11.000 --> 01:01:13.000
It's important to be able to do that in training.

1298
01:01:13.000 --> 01:01:16.000
No, obviously for me was a strange time

1299
01:01:16.000 --> 01:01:18.000
because I was not expecting, you know,

1300
01:01:18.000 --> 01:01:22.000
a tenor called me to his office to speak with me

1301
01:01:22.000 --> 01:01:26.000
and to ask me if I wanted to be the captain of the club

1302
01:01:26.000 --> 01:01:28.000
because he had decided to change the captain

1303
01:01:28.000 --> 01:01:33.000
and he wanted me to be the one to lead the team from now on.

1304
01:01:33.000 --> 01:01:38.000
Obviously, first thought was like very grateful.

1305
01:01:38.000 --> 01:01:41.000
I'm like something that I've never dreamed about.

1306
01:01:42.000 --> 01:01:44.000
You know, like you can have many dreams,

1307
01:01:44.000 --> 01:01:46.000
but you don't dream about being the captain, you know,

1308
01:01:46.000 --> 01:01:47.000
like a few club.

1309
01:01:47.000 --> 01:01:50.000
And I think the second thought was like,

1310
01:01:50.000 --> 01:01:52.000
this is going to be tough on Ari.

1311
01:01:52.000 --> 01:01:55.000
And the first person that I spoke with after I got out

1312
01:01:55.000 --> 01:01:56.000
of that was Ari.

1313
01:01:56.000 --> 01:01:59.000
Because in you already, I think the manager spoke to him.

1314
01:01:59.000 --> 01:02:02.000
And before I said yes, I went to speak with him

1315
01:02:02.000 --> 01:02:05.000
because the manager basically made me the question

1316
01:02:05.000 --> 01:02:07.000
if I wanted also like, he didn't say it like,

1317
01:02:07.000 --> 01:02:09.000
you're going to be the captain, that's it point.

1318
01:02:09.000 --> 01:02:10.000
He asked me.

1319
01:02:10.000 --> 01:02:13.000
And I went to speak with Ari and the first question I made

1320
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:15.000
was if he was leaving the club.

1321
01:02:15.000 --> 01:02:17.000
Because obviously, as you said,

1322
01:02:17.000 --> 01:02:19.000
it's not something normal.

1323
01:02:19.000 --> 01:02:22.000
I've never been through this in my whole career.

1324
01:02:22.000 --> 01:02:26.000
And I spoke with him about that offer that they gave it to me

1325
01:02:26.000 --> 01:02:27.000
and to be honest to him.

1326
01:02:27.000 --> 01:02:29.000
And he said, he said like,

1327
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:32.000
if there's someone that deserves that is you

1328
01:02:32.000 --> 01:02:34.000
and I'm very, very happy that is,

1329
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:37.000
is you getting the captain on one that,

1330
01:02:37.000 --> 01:02:40.000
if I have to take care of for myself,

1331
01:02:40.000 --> 01:02:42.000
I think you really deserve that.

1332
01:02:42.000 --> 01:02:45.000
And I think that was the point that made me understand

1333
01:02:45.000 --> 01:02:47.000
I was doing things right.

1334
01:02:47.000 --> 01:02:50.000
Obviously, I know for him was very difficult.

1335
01:02:50.000 --> 01:02:53.000
And I don't think he would have said something

1336
01:02:53.000 --> 01:02:56.000
but even if he felt it to me.

1337
01:02:56.000 --> 01:02:59.000
But the way we spoke and the way I think I've been treating him

1338
01:02:59.000 --> 01:03:01.000
through these years also in the same way

1339
01:03:01.000 --> 01:03:04.000
of like I said straight away to him like,

1340
01:03:04.000 --> 01:03:06.000
you might have lost that armman,

1341
01:03:06.000 --> 01:03:08.000
but he's still one of our leaders

1342
01:03:08.000 --> 01:03:11.000
and that won't change everything that we've been through

1343
01:03:11.000 --> 01:03:13.000
because are you when he was a captain?

1344
01:03:13.000 --> 01:03:15.000
We always make decisions together also

1345
01:03:15.000 --> 01:03:17.000
because I was one of them.

1346
01:03:17.000 --> 01:03:20.000
And that hasn't changed now because every time I have to do

1347
01:03:20.000 --> 01:03:22.000
or take some decisions for the team,

1348
01:03:22.000 --> 01:03:24.000
I speak with certain players and Harry is one of them

1349
01:03:24.000 --> 01:03:25.000
that is always there.

1350
01:03:25.000 --> 01:03:28.000
And your performance this season speaks for itself.

1351
01:03:28.000 --> 01:03:31.000
You've won, you've done 34 appearances,

1352
01:03:31.000 --> 01:03:33.000
which I think is an achievement in and of itself

1353
01:03:33.000 --> 01:03:36.000
because a lot of players aren't that consistent on the pitch.

1354
01:03:36.000 --> 01:03:38.000
You've scored eight goals, 20 assists.

1355
01:03:38.000 --> 01:03:40.000
You've got 12 player of the match awards,

1356
01:03:40.000 --> 01:03:43.000
which is the most by any player in the Premier League,

1357
01:03:43.000 --> 01:03:45.000
six player of the month awards,

1358
01:03:45.000 --> 01:03:47.000
and only Sergio Aguera, Harry Kane, and Mohamed Sala

1359
01:03:47.000 --> 01:03:49.000
have more, all of them have seven.

1360
01:03:49.000 --> 01:03:52.000
And you've also won Matt Busby's Player of the Year Award

1361
01:03:52.000 --> 01:03:56.000
for the fifth time, the most by any other man United player.

1362
01:03:56.000 --> 01:03:58.000
And that's an award voted by the fans.

1363
01:03:58.000 --> 01:04:00.000
And there's other awards that I know you've won in recent times.

1364
01:04:00.000 --> 01:04:02.000
I saw you on stage the other day winning more awards.

1365
01:04:02.000 --> 01:04:04.000
What has, what's happened?

1366
01:04:04.000 --> 01:04:06.000
Why, why, why you sudden, you know,

1367
01:04:06.000 --> 01:04:08.000
you've had, you've been consistent throughout the whole time

1368
01:04:08.000 --> 01:04:10.000
since you've been at the club, but this year seems to stand out

1369
01:04:10.000 --> 01:04:12.000
for some reason.

1370
01:04:12.000 --> 01:04:16.000
No, I think, I think for this season, first of all,

1371
01:04:16.000 --> 01:04:19.000
I think when the team shines, the individual comes up.

1372
01:04:19.000 --> 01:04:21.000
And I think this season is being much better

1373
01:04:21.000 --> 01:04:24.000
from the last, let's say, two seasons.

1374
01:04:24.000 --> 01:04:27.000
At the same time, I think the assists record

1375
01:04:27.000 --> 01:04:31.000
in all this going around made me having a lot of headlines

1376
01:04:31.000 --> 01:04:33.000
and stuff like that.

1377
01:04:33.000 --> 01:04:36.000
Obviously, it's an achievement that hasn't been done

1378
01:04:36.000 --> 01:04:40.000
for any players, just Kevin De Bruyne and Terry.

1379
01:04:40.000 --> 01:04:42.000
I've got the little graph here.

1380
01:04:42.000 --> 01:04:44.000
It says, yeah, Kevin De Bruyne, Terry.

1381
01:04:44.000 --> 01:04:46.000
I actually spoke to Terry about this as well.

1382
01:04:46.000 --> 01:04:48.000
And he sends his regards to you.

1383
01:04:48.000 --> 01:04:53.000
Congratulations, you're joining him up there with the record.

1384
01:04:53.000 --> 01:04:56.000
Yeah, it's something that I'm very grateful for.

1385
01:04:57.000 --> 01:05:01.000
I put my name in this case with them.

1386
01:05:01.000 --> 01:05:04.000
Up there is something that I've never dreamed about

1387
01:05:04.000 --> 01:05:06.000
or think about.

1388
01:05:06.000 --> 01:05:08.000
I'd probably start thinking about that when I got

1389
01:05:08.000 --> 01:05:10.000
probably into 16, 17 assists.

1390
01:05:10.000 --> 01:05:13.000
I was like, oh, I'm actually getting closer now.

1391
01:05:13.000 --> 01:05:15.000
But it was not something that was in my head,

1392
01:05:15.000 --> 01:05:18.000
because in my head is always improving my last season

1393
01:05:18.000 --> 01:05:23.000
and getting better numbers, better outputs, better performance.

1394
01:05:23.000 --> 01:05:28.000
And it was never in my mind that I would go to 18, 19, 20,

1395
01:05:28.000 --> 01:05:29.000
or whatsoever.

1396
01:05:29.000 --> 01:05:31.000
But obviously, when you start getting closer,

1397
01:05:31.000 --> 01:05:33.000
you start thinking about a little bit.

1398
01:05:33.000 --> 01:05:35.000
And then all of us as fans start watching the games

1399
01:05:35.000 --> 01:05:36.000
to see if you can do it.

1400
01:05:36.000 --> 01:05:40.000
And then obviously, I think I've been very consistent

1401
01:05:40.000 --> 01:05:43.000
in terms of performance during my six years year.

1402
01:05:43.000 --> 01:05:48.000
But probably other years were people that stand out

1403
01:05:48.000 --> 01:05:49.000
that more than me.

1404
01:05:49.000 --> 01:05:52.000
And that's why I probably didn't got as much attention

1405
01:05:52.000 --> 01:05:53.000
as I did this season.

1406
01:05:53.000 --> 01:05:56.000
With being captain and with being at the biggest club in the world,

1407
01:05:56.000 --> 01:06:00.000
I think in terms of fan base, with that comes pressure

1408
01:06:00.000 --> 01:06:01.000
and responsibility.

1409
01:06:01.000 --> 01:06:03.000
The world talks about you.

1410
01:06:03.000 --> 01:06:06.000
No matter what industry you're in, an occupational hazard

1411
01:06:06.000 --> 01:06:09.000
of being at the very, very top or the peak of your powers

1412
01:06:09.000 --> 01:06:12.000
or being even better is more and more talk.

1413
01:06:12.000 --> 01:06:15.000
And I think especially because of this,

1414
01:06:15.000 --> 01:06:17.000
people are talking even more about Bruno Fernandez

1415
01:06:17.000 --> 01:06:18.000
than I've ever seen.

1416
01:06:18.000 --> 01:06:20.000
In my group chat, I've got my united group chat

1417
01:06:20.000 --> 01:06:21.000
and we're watching the game.

1418
01:06:21.000 --> 01:06:23.000
We're watching, we're willing you to,

1419
01:06:23.000 --> 01:06:25.000
we were willing you to reach this record which you did.

1420
01:06:25.000 --> 01:06:28.000
And now because you're, you know, people are saying

1421
01:06:28.000 --> 01:06:30.000
you're the player of the year in the Premier League,

1422
01:06:30.000 --> 01:06:32.000
they're giving you all these big awards,

1423
01:06:32.000 --> 01:06:33.000
with that comes even more criticism.

1424
01:06:33.000 --> 01:06:35.000
And I think this is where your childhood has prepared you.

1425
01:06:35.000 --> 01:06:38.000
But your dad sounds like your dad prepared you.

1426
01:06:38.000 --> 01:06:42.000
I wanted to clear something up because it was on my mind.

1427
01:06:42.000 --> 01:06:44.000
And I imagine it's frustrating for you,

1428
01:06:44.000 --> 01:06:47.000
which is when your words are twisted in the media

1429
01:06:47.000 --> 01:06:50.000
and recently Roy Kean criticized your mentality

1430
01:06:50.000 --> 01:06:52.000
based on a quote he got completely backwards.

1431
01:06:52.000 --> 01:06:55.000
He claimed you said, I should have shot,

1432
01:06:55.000 --> 01:06:57.000
but I made the passes and used that to suggest

1433
01:06:57.000 --> 01:06:59.000
that you were chasing individual assist stats.

1434
01:06:59.000 --> 01:07:01.000
But everyone who actually listened to the interview,

1435
01:07:01.000 --> 01:07:04.000
including myself, knows you said almost the exact opposite.

1436
01:07:04.000 --> 01:07:05.000
You were being self-critical of yourself

1437
01:07:05.000 --> 01:07:08.000
in saying you should have passed the ball instead of shot

1438
01:07:08.000 --> 01:07:10.000
because you wanted the best for your team.

1439
01:07:10.000 --> 01:07:13.000
And so interestingly, because I've spoken to so many of your,

1440
01:07:13.000 --> 01:07:15.000
your players, your, you know, your teammates

1441
01:07:15.000 --> 01:07:18.000
over the last couple of days about you,

1442
01:07:18.000 --> 01:07:20.000
they also told me that this is the exact opposite

1443
01:07:20.000 --> 01:07:23.000
of your mentality on the pitch and off the pitch.

1444
01:07:23.000 --> 01:07:25.000
And I know it must be frustrating for your leadership style

1445
01:07:25.000 --> 01:07:28.000
to be sort of misrepresented in that way.

1446
01:07:28.000 --> 01:07:30.000
How, how, how do you respond to that?

1447
01:07:30.000 --> 01:07:32.000
Like, how would you deal with that when you hear it?

1448
01:07:32.000 --> 01:07:33.000
And you go, that's not what I said.

1449
01:07:33.000 --> 01:07:35.000
Yeah, to be honest, like I've always said,

1450
01:07:35.000 --> 01:07:37.000
I don't mind criticism.

1451
01:07:37.000 --> 01:07:39.000
I've always take criticism from everyone and anyone

1452
01:07:39.000 --> 01:07:41.000
and I never replied to anything or whatever.

1453
01:07:41.000 --> 01:07:43.000
People have an opinion.

1454
01:07:43.000 --> 01:07:45.000
They think it's good part, whatever.

1455
01:07:45.000 --> 01:07:49.000
What I don't like was when people lie about things.

1456
01:07:49.000 --> 01:07:51.000
And this case that you said about working

1457
01:07:51.000 --> 01:07:53.000
basically what you said is a lie,

1458
01:07:53.000 --> 01:07:57.000
because you can either, either you saw some other interview

1459
01:07:57.000 --> 01:08:00.000
or you can't say that I said one thing that I have just not said.

1460
01:08:00.000 --> 01:08:02.000
And luckily for me is everything going to record.

1461
01:08:02.000 --> 01:08:04.000
Imagine if it wasn't like then people will think like,

1462
01:08:04.000 --> 01:08:08.000
oh yeah, Bruno is, is the guy always trying to go to the assist.

1463
01:08:08.000 --> 01:08:12.000
But one thing that is consistent is my number of creation

1464
01:08:12.000 --> 01:08:13.000
is always the same.

1465
01:08:13.000 --> 01:08:16.000
So it's not that I've been trying to reach this now.

1466
01:08:16.000 --> 01:08:19.000
No, I've been creating chances since I came to the Premier League

1467
01:08:19.000 --> 01:08:20.000
probably more than anyone else.

1468
01:08:20.000 --> 01:08:22.000
So it hasn't changed that.

1469
01:08:22.000 --> 01:08:27.000
My type of player, aim of play or way of playing hasn't changed since I came to the Premier League.

1470
01:08:27.000 --> 01:08:30.000
It's not that this season probably Roy Keen saw someone

1471
01:08:30.000 --> 01:08:33.000
like Bruno creating more because he wanted the assist record.

1472
01:08:33.000 --> 01:08:36.000
No, he's seen the same Bruno that is about risky reward,

1473
01:08:36.000 --> 01:08:38.000
is about creating chances for his teammates,

1474
01:08:38.000 --> 01:08:40.000
is about getting the best out of the other ones.

1475
01:08:40.000 --> 01:08:43.000
Because the thing is like, you will get criticized anyway.

1476
01:08:43.000 --> 01:08:46.000
If you say, if you were scoring goals, you will get criticized

1477
01:08:46.000 --> 01:08:48.000
because you're not passing the ball in your shooting.

1478
01:08:48.000 --> 01:08:51.000
If you're doing assists, it's because you're passing too much

1479
01:08:51.000 --> 01:08:53.000
and you're not shooting to score goals.

1480
01:08:53.000 --> 01:08:55.000
So it's going to always be like that.

1481
01:08:55.000 --> 01:08:58.000
People will always make the balance the way they want.

1482
01:08:58.000 --> 01:08:59.000
They won't balance thing.

1483
01:08:59.000 --> 01:09:02.000
They will put it the way they want the things to be.

1484
01:09:02.000 --> 01:09:05.000
And obviously I think I've always showed a lot of respect for Roy Keen

1485
01:09:05.000 --> 01:09:07.000
and for everything he's done for the club

1486
01:09:07.000 --> 01:09:10.000
and for everything he's always said.

1487
01:09:10.000 --> 01:09:13.000
I've never ever had something to say.

1488
01:09:13.000 --> 01:09:15.000
I've never said something wrong.

1489
01:09:15.000 --> 01:09:18.000
I even ask Ole, is number to text him, to be honest,

1490
01:09:18.000 --> 01:09:22.000
to have a word with him, to say that I don't mind the criticism.

1491
01:09:22.000 --> 01:09:25.000
I don't like when people lie about things that I say.

1492
01:09:25.000 --> 01:09:28.000
Because this is like, it goes a little bit over the top

1493
01:09:28.000 --> 01:09:31.000
of the things that I think are acceptable.

1494
01:09:31.000 --> 01:09:32.000
I accept the criticism.

1495
01:09:32.000 --> 01:09:35.000
My accept that he can say things that I don't like

1496
01:09:35.000 --> 01:09:37.000
and I don't like to see it.

1497
01:09:37.000 --> 01:09:40.000
But as I said before, that improves me.

1498
01:09:40.000 --> 01:09:45.000
What I don't like is that people make their own words on what I say.

1499
01:09:45.000 --> 01:09:46.000
And it's not true.

1500
01:09:46.000 --> 01:09:49.000
He can't criticize me killing me, say that I'm not good enough,

1501
01:09:49.000 --> 01:09:51.000
that I'm not a good captain for him,

1502
01:09:51.000 --> 01:09:54.000
that I'm not a good player for the club whatsoever.

1503
01:09:54.000 --> 01:09:56.000
But it's okay, I don't mind.

1504
01:09:56.000 --> 01:09:57.000
Is it an opinion?

1505
01:09:57.000 --> 01:09:58.000
I like it.

1506
01:09:58.000 --> 01:10:02.000
No, obviously I prefer Roy Keen to give me some praise sometimes

1507
01:10:02.000 --> 01:10:04.000
because I've achieved something that not many players have achieved.

1508
01:10:04.000 --> 01:10:06.000
I understand that this club is about winning trophies.

1509
01:10:06.000 --> 01:10:08.000
I've never taken that out of my mind.

1510
01:10:08.000 --> 01:10:11.000
I've always said in front of everyone that I want to in the Premier League

1511
01:10:11.000 --> 01:10:12.000
and in Champions League.

1512
01:10:12.000 --> 01:10:15.000
I never said I wanted to be the best player in the Premier League.

1513
01:10:15.000 --> 01:10:16.000
Never, never one time.

1514
01:10:16.000 --> 01:10:21.000
Any player in the person has heard that Bruno wanted to get his sister record

1515
01:10:21.000 --> 01:10:24.000
or get the goals record or get the player of the season

1516
01:10:24.000 --> 01:10:27.000
or get being better than anyone else.

1517
01:10:27.000 --> 01:10:29.000
Now, Bruno wants the club to be successful.

1518
01:10:29.000 --> 01:10:32.000
Bruno wants the club to win trophies and it's all Bruno wants.

1519
01:10:32.000 --> 01:10:37.000
I accept his criticism, I accept that if my likes like me as a player or not

1520
01:10:37.000 --> 01:10:39.000
likes me as a person or not

1521
01:10:39.000 --> 01:10:44.000
but what I don't like is that he puts words in my mouth that has not been said.

1522
01:10:44.000 --> 01:10:46.000
That's the only thing I don't like.

1523
01:10:46.000 --> 01:10:50.000
Well, I did actually ask your teammates what you were like

1524
01:10:50.000 --> 01:10:55.000
and I asked them on and off camera, on and off the record.

1525
01:10:55.000 --> 01:10:59.000
I couldn't get some of them to be very serious but what I received

1526
01:10:59.000 --> 01:11:03.000
is lots and lots of voice notes from lots and lots of your former players.

1527
01:11:03.000 --> 01:11:09.000
I texted around last night and I'll play you what they said.

1528
01:11:09.000 --> 01:11:16.000
My friend Bruno, taking this opportunity to spread some love to you.

1529
01:11:16.000 --> 01:11:21.000
I just wanted to take this opportunity to tell you how much we value.

1530
01:11:21.000 --> 01:11:25.000
You as a player and as a person, I think not many people get to see

1531
01:11:25.000 --> 01:11:30.000
how are you after the games and outside of the pitch.

1532
01:11:30.000 --> 01:11:34.000
I would say that's one of your best qualities, the way you care,

1533
01:11:34.000 --> 01:11:40.000
the way you, one of the first to help everyone, leadership, your consistency.

1534
01:11:40.000 --> 01:11:43.000
That's something that I take from example and you know it.

1535
01:11:43.000 --> 01:11:49.000
It's been a lot of years together right now so hopefully this can continue

1536
01:11:49.000 --> 01:11:54.000
and we can win so many things and so much more things together.

1537
01:11:54.000 --> 01:11:58.000
Skip that. Tom, for me you're a world class footballer,

1538
01:11:58.000 --> 01:12:03.000
consistently world class as well which is very difficult.

1539
01:12:03.000 --> 01:12:07.000
I think everyone knows that how good you are but I think more importantly

1540
01:12:07.000 --> 01:12:11.000
from my view is how you are as a human being and that's a side

1541
01:12:11.000 --> 01:12:13.000
that not many people get to see.

1542
01:12:13.000 --> 01:12:18.000
You know they care in, compassionate, supporting, demanding at the right times.

1543
01:12:18.000 --> 01:12:22.000
But yeah I think for me that is by far in a way probably your best quality.

1544
01:12:22.000 --> 01:12:26.000
That's why the leader of this team and such a good human being.

1545
01:12:26.000 --> 01:12:31.000
So for me proud to call you the captain but more importantly a friend so top cost.

1546
01:12:31.000 --> 01:12:34.000
I mean what he does on the pitch obviously speaks for itself

1547
01:12:34.000 --> 01:12:39.000
but I mean away from football he's an unbelievable human being.

1548
01:12:39.000 --> 01:12:45.000
The way he treats people looks after people, the way he lifts others when they need it.

1549
01:12:45.000 --> 01:12:50.000
And I feel like the respect he gives everyone around him that says

1550
01:12:50.000 --> 01:12:53.000
everything about his character.

1551
01:12:53.000 --> 01:12:58.000
And I feel like I've been lucky to spend the number of years with him.

1552
01:12:58.000 --> 01:13:04.000
And he's one of them people that you kind of appreciate having around you every single day.

1553
01:13:04.000 --> 01:13:08.000
He's the type of player who makes people around him better without even trying.

1554
01:13:08.000 --> 01:13:11.000
We love you Capitano.

1555
01:13:11.000 --> 01:13:13.000
We love you Capitano.

1556
01:13:13.000 --> 01:13:16.000
I mean I had so many more but we just don't have the time.

1557
01:13:16.000 --> 01:13:26.000
Yeah now it's just you know the standout from that for me is just the way to speak.

1558
01:13:26.000 --> 01:13:31.000
From me as a person not more as a player you know like.

1559
01:13:31.000 --> 01:13:36.000
And you picked some people that I'm very demanding on them you know like.

1560
01:13:36.000 --> 01:13:41.000
The open look as being a role to play has been more time with me.

1561
01:13:41.000 --> 01:13:45.000
Tom is probably up there with Harry are you look you're going then Tom.

1562
01:13:45.000 --> 01:13:48.000
And these is people that I really respect a lot.

1563
01:13:48.000 --> 01:13:56.000
But as I said to you like he's not what they say above me as a player is more what they say from me as a person.

1564
01:13:56.000 --> 01:14:00.000
That makes me very proud and very happy because.

1565
01:14:00.000 --> 01:14:05.000
You can be a good player and I'm going to meet a lot of good players in the world of football.

1566
01:14:05.000 --> 01:14:09.000
And you can train with a lot of them and meet them a lot.

1567
01:14:09.000 --> 01:14:15.000
But I think that what it stays at the end is like the way you behave as a person.

1568
01:14:15.000 --> 01:14:19.000
And I like to see that I have the good values that my parents showed me.

1569
01:14:19.000 --> 01:14:24.000
That's what I said at the start when you started describing what your parents had instilled in you back in Porto.

1570
01:14:24.000 --> 01:14:30.000
It sounded like what all your colleagues and your the players you play with said to me as well because I've done this before.

1571
01:14:30.000 --> 01:14:36.000
And people will say oh he's a great player he's amazing whatever but what was consistently true through all of those messages.

1572
01:14:36.000 --> 01:14:40.000
And that's really more is they all chose to speak about you as a human.

1573
01:14:40.000 --> 01:14:46.000
And that's clearly comes from whatever your parents did at a young age.

1574
01:14:46.000 --> 01:14:49.000
Why does that mean so much to you I can see it in your face.

1575
01:14:49.000 --> 01:14:55.000
No because as I said to you I think as a player you can be as good as you want.

1576
01:14:55.000 --> 01:15:01.000
Like at the end of the day I think the way you behave and the way you treat people around you is the most important thing.

1577
01:15:01.000 --> 01:15:08.000
You spend so much time with them that they kind of become part of your day by day.

1578
01:15:08.000 --> 01:15:11.000
You see more often than I see my parents.

1579
01:15:11.000 --> 01:15:16.000
For example I obviously my wife and my kid is the people that I see the most but then after that is them.

1580
01:15:16.000 --> 01:15:22.000
I don't see my friends from Portugal as often as them my parents my brother my sister I see more them.

1581
01:15:22.000 --> 01:15:39.000
And the way I behave the way I've been raised the way I want to live my life and the way I want my kids to be is the way they've said the things about me and this makes me very proud.

1582
01:15:39.000 --> 01:15:42.000
What is that emotion?

1583
01:15:42.000 --> 01:15:48.000
I don't know it's just like it's good to hear that just just that.

1584
01:15:48.000 --> 01:15:59.000
It's so interesting because I don't think anybody else that I've met would respond how you're responding to hearing people talk about you as a man and as a human.

1585
01:15:59.000 --> 01:16:01.000
I don't know.

1586
01:16:01.000 --> 01:16:03.000
I'm just a soft guy.

1587
01:16:03.000 --> 01:16:08.000
There's a look on the page but I'm quite a soft guy.

1588
01:16:08.000 --> 01:16:14.000
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1590
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1593
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1594
01:17:14.000 --> 01:17:36.000
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1595
01:17:36.000 --> 01:17:53.000
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1596
01:17:53.000 --> 01:18:11.000
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1597
01:18:11.000 --> 01:18:40.000
One of the things I learned through my investigations is that you have a clause in your contract and you don't have to confirm what I'm not going to ask you to but what I what I discovered is that you have a clause in your contract which allows you to leave for I was I found out 60 million and you chose not to leave Manchester United you got a very very very large financial offer I mean I've seen some other numbers that are reported up to 200 million to leave Manchester United and you chose not to leave.

1598
01:18:41.000 --> 01:19:09.000
You could have wrote off into the sunset you frankly I think the way you were playing you could have gone to almost any club in the world you could have got paid more and probably would have had a more certain guarantee of winning silverware and for some reason you chose to stay when that offer came in reportedly from the Middle East that you know the big offer that we're hearing for a contract that was worth a reportedly 200 million why didn't you go.

1599
01:19:10.000 --> 01:19:29.000
I said it before I haven't fulfilled my dreams here you know at this club was that conversation you had with your wife yeah also what was that conversation she seems to be there all the time when you make these big decisions of course she's the one probably

1600
01:19:29.000 --> 01:19:50.000
I never make a decision by myself because obviously moving around nowadays with two kids as a lot to say obviously and more than I don't know become a most richest person in my own town I want to

1601
01:19:50.000 --> 01:20:08.000
leave my dreams and pass through the values to my kids that they they need to have and my family is always going to be the number one priority in everything I do because they followed my dream

1602
01:20:09.000 --> 01:20:29.000
they they my wife obviously I know on the other side it looks great life obviously a lot of money good a lot of good things but she chose to leave my dream with me and that says a lot about her because

1603
01:20:30.000 --> 01:20:43.000
let's say that when she chose to do that I was 17 years old going to a club with one point like let's say

1604
01:20:43.000 --> 01:21:05.000
or you say 1500 you say 1500 yes a month in Italy a lot of uncertainty let's say she had her own life she had her own dreams

1605
01:21:06.000 --> 01:21:23.000
and obviously she she said like I'm I'm going to help you and that what she did science science day world until now so she always as a say on everything I do

1606
01:21:23.000 --> 01:21:36.000
and you've been with her since she was 16 you're 16 she was 16 I was about to be 17 so more or less and and then after that we have we have

1607
01:21:36.000 --> 01:21:44.000
constructed a beautiful family two beautiful kids yeah and so on that day when you get you get a big offer to leave Manchester United

1608
01:21:45.000 --> 01:21:59.000
of course as always I spoke obviously first my agent because he speaks with me about the offer but then the first thing I did was color and I was in I think was on

1609
01:21:59.000 --> 01:22:16.000
there we were like we went on the postseason tour and the timing was not the best to talk with her because of time difference and everything but she was there again and what the worst she said was like

1610
01:22:17.000 --> 01:22:41.000
have you have you achieved everything you wanted to achieve in your career and this is this the next step you want to give for for your future and for your career like because obviously this is the league I want to be this is the best league in the world this is where I'm going to enjoy my football as I'm not going to try and any other place so we we still have for dreams to fulfill

1611
01:22:41.000 --> 01:23:10.000
why does I make you emotional I don't know talking about family it's it's tough just because in the in the football career you go through a lot ups and downs and a lot of difficult moments and let's say the ones that suffered most at them because they see your good moments your bad moments your good things your bad things

1612
01:23:11.000 --> 01:23:20.000
your good side your bad side also but they always stand by you so that's the most important thing you can have in life

1613
01:23:20.000 --> 01:23:49.000
and she's always been there she looks like my fiance a little bit she puts you in she puts his cause very down to earth I hear yeah she's she's the one that pushed me down to earth also when I'm probably getting too much or feeling too big she's always also very very tough on me to make me understand that's all these things to improve

1614
01:23:50.000 --> 01:24:06.000
it's my let's say she's the second version of my dad probably that's why I chose her and she chose me in certain way

1615
01:24:06.000 --> 01:24:19.000
does she know this does she know have you been able to tell her yeah yeah I'm a she's not she's gonna I can't say the word she's gonna say after she sees this and she's me crying

1616
01:24:19.000 --> 01:24:45.000
she's gonna say I'm very soft I won't say the word exactly let's say I'm the affection one you know the one that likes hugs that likes she's she's more I don't know she's she likes she's she I think she she's through her life she had she had many things going on and she built this thing around her that she doesn't need

1617
01:24:45.000 --> 01:25:01.000
let's say she doesn't need much love whatsoever but is there many moments where I know she needs I know she feels it I know she kind of like she's just like it's not good at saying what she feels

1618
01:25:01.000 --> 01:25:15.000
and I'm more open I I show more my emotions I show more if I care if I don't care if I suffer if I don't suffer she she kind of closes a little bit for herself

1619
01:25:15.000 --> 01:25:35.000
but she's a very strong woman to be honest I know you have two beautiful kids together yeah she we have a beautiful girl there was the first one at the time we were in Italy and then it came little Gonzalo when we were in England so one

1620
01:25:35.000 --> 01:25:49.000
let's say that she's always saying that she's all Italian and one that basically looks like British is white blonde and one half English let's say and then two full Portuguese people

1621
01:25:49.000 --> 01:26:00.000
I didn't realize your celebration were you you cover your ears is for your daughter yeah she covers her ears right yeah she used to do it when she was younger she's too old for that now she's a little

1622
01:26:00.000 --> 01:26:17.000
very very very strong minded very strong attitude she has a lot from me in the terms of being very strong and very she's like she can take care of herself very well is exactly like her mom

1623
01:26:17.000 --> 01:26:31.000
well I wanted to say thank you I'm a man United fan and hearing that you you know have gone through this very tumultuous period with the club where you could have gone where you've had many offers for many people to go and do something else and you've

1624
01:26:31.000 --> 01:26:47.000
got people offered you even more money and for whatever reason I think it I now understand because I've understood your values that your parents instilled in you you chose to stay and to stick with us as a club and as a fan base so on behalf of myself in all of my friends at my

1625
01:26:47.000 --> 01:26:58.000
management at fan base I just wanted to say a huge thank you loyalty is increasingly rare these days in football because people are often thinking about other things so as a man United fan

1626
01:26:58.000 --> 01:27:08.000
thank you so much by doing that you've also taught me something as a man you've also taught me what loyalty is and how you treat other people and you've taught me a

1627
01:27:08.000 --> 01:27:19.000
lesson about responsibly in my businesses in my relationships and in my life and I think this is a really important lesson because there are so many young men that look up to you and what you've said through the good and the

1628
01:27:19.000 --> 01:27:30.000
bad times is that you keep on going you keep on going you keep on fighting you don't give up you don't quit and it's so great that the captain of the biggest club on earth has those

1629
01:27:30.000 --> 01:27:39.000
values and puts those values before other things that might tempt someone with less integrity so I just wanted to say a huge thank you and I also

1630
01:27:39.000 --> 01:27:44.000
am passing that on from many of your teammates who are very very very glad that you stayed.

1631
01:27:44.000 --> 01:27:52.000
Thank you very much I really appreciate that it's very kind of was from here and I hope you stay even longer because I think we're coming

1632
01:27:52.000 --> 01:27:59.000
into an interesting period of matches tonight where I think we have a lot of the sort of foundations in place now to carry on.

1633
01:27:59.000 --> 01:28:09.000
That's what I hope so and I think there's not the club but everything in general the fans and everyone I think really really this

1634
01:28:09.000 --> 01:28:12.000
have to be back to the glory days.

1635
01:28:12.000 --> 01:28:18.000
Things have changed I mean any also here now I know the I know quite a lot of the guys at any of us I was away in the in the

1636
01:28:18.000 --> 01:28:25.000
tour with a couple of them during the American preseason tour and one of the things they said to me is that when they arrived in

1637
01:28:25.000 --> 01:28:31.000
the club there wasn't structure couple of them had said to me there just wasn't and it's so rare that you have this this huge gap

1638
01:28:31.000 --> 01:28:37.000
between the manager and the ownership or the players in the ownership that usually in clubs there's structure they

1639
01:28:37.000 --> 01:28:43.000
they've I think from what I've had from players they've put that structure in place now how is it changed with any

1640
01:28:43.000 --> 01:28:50.000
us is the rival no I think was first of all was important because as you said not that we didn't have a

1641
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structure but was very difficult for place to understand where where they had to go to talk in certain

1642
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situations that they we were not very clear we should talk with and now I think is very clear that you have Jason

1643
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that then you have Omar and then you have Sir Jim I'm I'm very aware that now the structure that we have is is a good

1644
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foundation and a good base for us to understand where and what places we need to go if we need something as a

1645
01:29:18.000 --> 01:29:24.000
club or as a players has improved we started a process with Ruben where we thought that would be a

1646
01:29:24.000 --> 01:29:29.000
process of three four years that was the plan of the club then we know there was a break in a

1647
01:29:29.000 --> 01:29:34.000
relationship there between the manager and the club and they had to change unfortunately and now

1648
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they today they have announced that they want to go in the direction with with Michael and hopefully for

1649
01:29:40.000 --> 01:29:48.000
me I hope that is they stable because the main thing the club needs is stability in terms of managing because

1650
01:29:48.000 --> 01:29:53.000
if you really believe that Michael is the guy and and you took him to the job I think you have to

1651
01:29:53.000 --> 01:30:00.000
give him the foundations you need to build what he thinks he needs for a successful team at the

1652
01:30:00.000 --> 01:30:05.000
same time I think you brought someone in that knows what are the values of the club and I think

1653
01:30:05.000 --> 01:30:10.000
that's the main thing and the most important thing that the club brings people in that know the

1654
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values and know what's needed and have a great character to be at this club.

1655
01:30:13.000 --> 01:30:14.000
Am I close the guy?

1656
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Yeah because as I said I think is the is the one that knows the club better than any any player

1657
01:30:20.000 --> 01:30:25.000
that here is being probably more time at the club I've been with him as a manager system manager

1658
01:30:25.000 --> 01:30:31.000
and then manager the way he behaves it shows that he has the character to be the manager of many

1659
01:30:31.000 --> 01:30:39.000
United and think that's very important to have someone that in the full process will know always where

1660
01:30:39.000 --> 01:30:43.000
you want to go where you want to be and how much you want this club to succeed.

1661
01:30:43.000 --> 01:30:47.000
You said it to me earlier that since Michael Caracas joined many United have won more points

1662
01:30:47.000 --> 01:30:51.000
than any club in the Premier League and that's statistically accurate for this to continue

1663
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on and to continue going forward obviously the summer is going to be really really important

1664
01:30:55.000 --> 01:30:59.000
and I was talking to a few of the other players about this as well like Diego what needs to happen

1665
01:30:59.000 --> 01:31:05.000
this summer in your opinion for Manchester United to continue to move up and potentially even fight for the title.

1666
01:31:05.000 --> 01:31:09.000
We need recruitment this is obviously we know we know like obviously we're losing Casimiro

1667
01:31:09.000 --> 01:31:15.000
there is a purple purple thing that we had so we're going to need a player to replace him.

1668
01:31:15.000 --> 01:31:20.000
Either is a player that is already in the house either is a player that's coming we need to reinforce the team

1669
01:31:20.000 --> 01:31:25.000
to become stronger as a team not we need the best player in the world this or that.

1670
01:31:25.000 --> 01:31:31.000
No we need players that want to come to United to understand that we through a process that we want to win the league

1671
01:31:31.000 --> 01:31:37.000
but it might not happen but this is the way we want to go to become the successful club that we were before.

1672
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So I think the recruitment has to be the right one we need to bring the right people in again

1673
01:31:41.000 --> 01:31:48.000
as we did last summer I think in that Ruben was great in the choices he made to bring the players he did to the club

1674
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because he brought good characters good players and good professionals also and I think that's very important for the next one.

1675
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Bruno we have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest

1676
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not knowing who they're leaving the question for and the question that's been left for you

1677
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is if we sat here in five years time and the five years that had just passed were a huge success

1678
01:32:11.000 --> 01:32:15.000
what would have happened to have happened?

1679
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Huge success let's say that I've won the Premier League I've won the Champions League with the club

1680
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and we've brought the club back to the place he has to be in terms of the club obviously

1681
01:32:33.000 --> 01:32:39.000
in five years time I would like to be able to that's one of the gold ones to do with my national team

1682
01:32:39.000 --> 01:32:45.000
of course let's say that's my biggest goal in terms of career

1683
01:32:45.000 --> 01:32:53.000
the World Cup I would say because winning the Premier League and the Champions League with this club will be amazing

1684
01:32:53.000 --> 01:32:57.000
but representing my nation will be always the biggest achievement I have in my career

1685
01:32:57.000 --> 01:33:03.000
because now many players get to do that you know like representing your

1686
01:33:03.000 --> 01:33:11.000
this is when you represent your people when you represent your parents, your brother, sister, wife, kids

1687
01:33:11.000 --> 01:33:21.000
this is you represent that small nation inside but inside but big in quality and big in love

1688
01:33:21.000 --> 01:33:27.000
and fearless country that has conquered the world many times in different ways

1689
01:33:27.000 --> 01:33:33.000
and do it in a football way will be a great achievement for us

1690
01:33:33.000 --> 01:33:39.000
irrespective of what happens here and I very much believe that Manchester United has now

1691
01:33:39.000 --> 01:33:43.000
the potential to go and challenge for these trophies here because of all the hard work

1692
01:33:43.000 --> 01:33:47.000
that has been put in by many people in this club but also because of your loyalty

1693
01:33:47.000 --> 01:33:51.000
and irrespective of what happens you're going to be a cult here at this club forever

1694
01:33:51.000 --> 01:33:57.000
not irrespective of this stuff because I think you've done something which is even harder

1695
01:33:57.000 --> 01:34:01.000
and even more rare in the modern world which is you've shown tremendous loyalty, unbelievable character

1696
01:34:01.000 --> 01:34:06.000
you've shown humanity and you've set an example for the club when we were at our weakest

1697
01:34:06.000 --> 01:34:12.000
when we needed someone to do that the most it's all well and good doing it when everything's great

1698
01:34:12.000 --> 01:34:16.000
it's all well and good but doing being that committed in that loyal and setting that much of an example

1699
01:34:16.000 --> 01:34:21.000
and continuing to run on the pitch but also to be an exceptional human off the pitch

1700
01:34:21.000 --> 01:34:25.240
when times are hard I think says even more about a man so again on behalf of all the

1701
01:34:25.240 --> 01:34:31.240
United fans a huge huge thank you and please sign the contract

1702
01:34:31.240 --> 01:34:35.240
when he's in the table Bruno thank you thank you very much

1703
01:34:35.240 --> 01:34:38.240
thank you so much

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you