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Can we find the G spot, the general intelligence spot?

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I just need to know what it is and if it's possible.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah!

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Anyway, sorry.

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I mean, look at all the kinds of intelligence.

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AGI is just another OOP problem.

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It is an underspecified acronym.

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And so people end up getting in disagreements about it

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because they're both thinking of a different thing, right?

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And so like, it's a really bad term now

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because it's just like, people can go 12 rounds

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fighting about whether it has or hasn't been achieved.

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And neither of them are thinking of,

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like, they're not thinking of the same definition, right?

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So it's kind of a problem.

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And fighting about terminology is such a waste of time.

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But who decides, like, who writes the test to decide

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if it's like AGI?

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Trash, I think you should.

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I think you should.

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I think you should.

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We might have achieved it at this point,

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according to my standard.

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Well, that's the problem is that it's just not a good,

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it's not good to just have a label

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and to not have a very specific set of things.

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You should just talk about the specific set of things.

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Right.

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Well, also it feels like the average person's definition

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of what AGI was, we definitely already hit.

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Which was like a computer I can talk to

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and it talks back in like a way that would trick me.

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It's like I feel like a touring test.

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But I'm saying that's like what,

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if I think of like what I thought AGI would have to be

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like 10 years ago, I'd be like,

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well, we'll probably never get it to where I can just

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like talk to the computer and I can say like,

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hey, go research like how people use list

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versus factor in 40 different languages

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and come back with a summary table

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and like show me that and like get citations.

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And it would like, oh, that seems pretty intelligent.

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I don't know, I just spoke to it

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and it did research and came back to me.

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Like I would have been like, yes, that's for sure it.

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But then now I feel like, yeah.

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There's like essentially, you know,

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all these different definitions that people could have for it.

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Right.

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And one is just like, it wasn't specifically,

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like nobody specifically programmed it to handle

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the exact thing that you're asking it to do

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would be one of them, right?

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Like it's just got a broad range of things to do.

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And that seems like clearly we have that, right?

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Like it, it clearly can respond to a very wide

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of things even if the programmer is originally doing it

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didn't do it.

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There's another version of it, which is like,

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can it do things that it wasn't trained on?

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And that's a lot harder because it seems like currently

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that's sort of not true.

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Like the more you give it tasks that were intentionally

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created to be outside of the set it could have seen,

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the more they fail, right?

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And so like someone arguing that AGI is that

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has a very strong argument that it hasn't been achieved,

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right?

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Another version of AGI is that it doesn't need training

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in a way, right?

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It's just like a human where it's just like,

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if you just put it out in the world with no,

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like we didn't have to make a transformer set for it,

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we didn't have to, we didn't have to structure

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like here's all the things it goes through.

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Like it's just this general thing and no matter what you do,

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you hook it up to any bunch of robotics

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and it just becomes as smart as a person, right?

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Well, we're nowhere near that, right?

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Like who knows how long maybe a couple years away,

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maybe 50 years away, maybe hundreds of years away,

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we just don't know, right?

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And so there's, I think the problem is just like,

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when people talk about AGI,

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everyone's coming with a different idea of what that is.

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And so they can get in these really big arguments like,

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no, of course it's not AGI or yes, of course we have it

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and they're both kind of right.

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It's just you have to say like what is the thing

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you actually, which are the properties?

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And so I always like it to Oop,

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because it's like people are like Oop is good,

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Oop is bad, Oop is bad.

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I'm like somebody say what is the implementation

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of this specific thing in Oop, right?

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And whenever I get one of those,

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I'm like this is bad and here's why.

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But then in very many people are like,

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no, but that's not really it, right?

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And so AGI feels a lot like that where it's like,

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just stop talking about that thing.

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Let's talk about the actual specific things

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and then we can have a more productive argument.

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I mean, not me, because I don't really care

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what these do or it's like.

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But the people who care very passionately could argue,

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can it do this exact specific thing

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and you could come to a conclusion, right?

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Komish, you got to listen to me.

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Oh no, now one more comment from you.

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I'm done rebasing your mistakes.

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You're not a junior CSS student,

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I'll further notice.

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Komish, you can't do this to me.

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Keep talking and you'll be doing

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store procedures for a month.

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Now get out of here, take him with you.

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Fun fact, CSS is actually touring complete.

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Merge cop. Merge cop.

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Merge cop.

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Larry Gary Tango, Mary.

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I just pull in your request.

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It looks good to me, you're clear to ship.

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Thanks.

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You're welcome, next.

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It's an awfully big PR for an intern.

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Well, I just bumped some dependencies.

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It's nothing major.

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Hey, can I get a quick stamp on this?

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Yeah, don't worry about it.

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Quick approval, not on my watch.

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I'm on your diff, like a peat has a slight drop.

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This again, it's literally just a hexco change,

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just approve it, just approve it.

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Squish, part for resisting review.

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Oh, I know you're the diff,

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where I've seen five coatings, but that ain't it.

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Merge cop!

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No!

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Merge cop!

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I hate Merge cop.

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He always makes reviewing take forever.

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We have code rabbit.

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Oh, come on, I wasn't even merging the prod.

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It was a hexco change.

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We have code rabbit.

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We don't need real people reviewing such simple changes.

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Code rabbit can do it for us.

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Our engineer's time is better

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spend solving problems for customers.

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You can try it too, at code rabbit.ai.

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Next week on Merge cop.

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Now my plan to merge a dip so big.

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You're the dimpler and I always knew it.

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Master!

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This is like talking to Adam last episode

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where we were like, Adam, you're a really good programmer.

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And then he's like, no, I'm not.

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I just, and then he listed a bunch of all of the things

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what a great programmer is.

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And then he's like, but I'm like, no, Adam,

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that means you're a great programmer.

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And he goes, well, I can't.

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And then he, I don't do data searchers

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and algorithms or something.

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Right, I'm like, oh, and you can't solve

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elite code hards.

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Who cares?

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I don't care.

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I'm not selling elite code hards.

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I'm selling to a customer.

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All right.

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So what I've been told or what I'm kind of coming,

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or getting out of this conversation is that

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AGI is a lot like a Scotsman and communism.

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There's just have, it hasn't really been tried yet.

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And that's the reason why we're not.

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No, no, no, we're not getting it.

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It's more like Oop, right?

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Like it's more like that where it's like,

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you get this wrong.

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It's because you didn't do Oop.

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Right.

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You didn't do the real version of Oop.

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That's why it's wrong.

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It fails.

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It's because there's no true Oop.

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I get, I mean, that's one way that people

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will try to defend it.

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But I'm just saying that like in that particular case,

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it's like which parts of it did you actually mean

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is the more important analogy for me?

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As opposed to something like communism,

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where it's like real communism has never been tried

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or stuff like that.

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Look, no one is actually saying that this particular thing

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was working in practice in the past.

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But you know, there's working Oop code bases, right?

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Like there's a ton of them.

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So it's not like you try it and your entire project

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is never gonna ship or something like that, right?

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True.

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So I would say AGI is more like that

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because some definitions of it, like Teach was saying,

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clearly are working.

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Like just the most limited definition of it

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seems to have succeeded.

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And so if someone was saying AGI hadn't been achieved

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and they meant that, I'd be like, well, no,

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it kind of has been or at least can you see

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why someone would think that that very weak version

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has been, right?

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And that's where I think you get into that trouble.

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Just it's just so poorly defined

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that you can't really argue about what hasn't hasn't worked.

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Okay.

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Well, it's a very important time of the podcast.

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It's not where we do the intro.

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It's where we ask Trash, what are the snacks you eating?

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Cause I can hear your little, I can hear your little thing

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he's getting the bag and making the sound of everything.

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So what are you eating?

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What is it?

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Tell us about it.

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Intrasher, imagine the day, bro.

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I guess we're not.

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Pogorner's Kevl Korn.

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And then I'm me and Teaser Mashing with the, yeah.

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You'll, yeah.

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And they just released ready to go.

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Yay.

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I got ready.

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So they just released last week and I tagged Teach.

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They just released all red packs.

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So I don't, I typically only eat these two and boom.

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I do it.

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I'm so happy like my wife linked it to me.

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And I was like, what?

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And I ordered like six bags and like two seconds.

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Nice.

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Seriously, yum Earth, please reach out to us.

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I, I desperately want to get paid to eat candy so badly.

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I know, I honestly don't understand how you guys do not have

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a snack sponsor for Trash yet.

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Like what is going on?

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Oh, yeah.

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You want to know my snack is?

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No.

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Nobody does.

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All I want to know what Trash is, is that why I can't believe

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he doesn't have a drug snack sponsor.

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Yes, sourdough bread, I bet.

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Banana bread.

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Oh, oh, whoa, where did that come from?

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Does someone just throw that in your hand?

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then I caught it.

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I didn't know there was a second one coming in.

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My wife surprised me, but I caught that one like an animal.

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Okay, so I have a slight blocker.

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So my wife's been buying these bananas and not eating them.

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So we have like until the bananas turn black

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and we have like an infestation of fruit flies.

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And I cannot get it.

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I basically smash like 10 every time I go into the kitchen.

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I'm like, I'm psyched.

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And we threw the bananas away, but they're still here.

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I just can't get rid of them.

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I just don't know how.

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So you have an infestation of banana bread,

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potential banana bread, and then you throw it away.

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Well, we were supposed to use it,

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but it gets to the point where it's just way too gross

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and you just can't use it at that point.

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So now we just.

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That's what you use it is when it turns black.

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Trash good.

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I think you're into the fruit flies though.

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You get like a mason jar, but a piece of paper.

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So it makes a cone.

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Then inside of the mason jar, you leave like a little piece

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of fruit and then maybe some like water

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or something else inside of there.

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So then I fly in.

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We can't figure out how to fly out.

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I was doing that with apple cider vinegar.

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You poke that word, Sarah.

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Really?

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You do the same thing for mice.

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If you have a mouse problem,

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you get a big bucket, a five gallon bucket.

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You drill two holes in it, put a small fin,

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like rotating metal like dowel rod in between them,

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put peanut butter on it, and then a little ramp up to it.

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So the mice go up the ramp.

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They try to walk on the round thing.

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They fall off and they land into water,

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and then they drown slowly.

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This is going to be a great episode.

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I can tell this is a great episode of the fandom already.

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This is not the case.

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In this episode, everyone talks about how to make

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a little trap for a fruit fly.

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And people are like, oh my God, I have to click on this.

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To be fair, fruit fly management strategies,

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that's got great long-term SEO KC.

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People aren't going to be dealing with that forever.

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Prime escalated into drowning rats.

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Yeah, by the way, yeah.

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Have you heard about it?

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Have you heard about it?

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Have you heard about it?

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No, no, this is, dude, this is lesser evil.

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Yeah, yeah, the Himalayan salt one.

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Yeah, I haven't seen Himalayan salt one.

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It's good.

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I have the question trash.

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I have a question about your narrative.

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I have a question about your narrative.

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My narrative.

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Yeah, the narrative that you laid out,

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I'm wondering if there was a step missing.

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When you said, my wife bought a lot of bananas,

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and now we have a lot of fruit flies,

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and I have to kill like 10 at a time or whatever.

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My question is, do you mean I have to first photograph them

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using my receipts app, and then kill 10 of them at a time?

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Or what?

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We're beyond that, okay?

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We're back on our own.

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Okay, relationship.

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Okay.

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I'm back to being a good husband, okay?

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Okay, that's good, that's good trash.

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I'm back to being, by the way.

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Back to being a good husband is starting the episode off

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by throwing your wife under the bus.

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I'm about to say this, you bought a bunch of bananas

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that she doesn't like.

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I didn't take a picture of it, I think.

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I don't think I did.

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Okay, all right.

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Hey, Prime, do you wanna do an intro

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to this week's episode of the standup?

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Welcome to the standup, the world's most attended

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that someone really just did around me that quickly.

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The world's most attended standup.

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All the interns are here, they're ready,

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they're willing to listen to the mandatory optional

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all hands meeting today.

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And today we have a very special one, trash.

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Chief snack officer has been going on an adventure

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with Linux and is here to present us

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what it looks like when someone who's used Mac

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for the last 10 years attempts to use Linux.

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Is this about correct?

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I think so.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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I can't do my math.

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Yeah, I'm so good.

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You know, intro's aren't long trash.

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That's on you.

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He's gotta eat the candy now

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so he's ready for the rest of the pod.

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Like it makes sense.

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He's gonna be talking a lot this episode.

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Okay, take it away, trash.

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That's the intro.

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That's it.

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Is that the intro?

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So I've been using Linux for about two weeks now.

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I will say, nice.

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I was wrong, right.

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I think Linux is super fun.

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But I will say the first week was hell on earth.

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So before I share this with you,

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I want to just kind of show you the distros I went through.

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Just try to even get anything to work.

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So I'm using this old Macbook Air 2015, I think.

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Oh, that's a separate issue.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Super ancient hardware is not that great.

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It's like the Mac is the main issue.

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Well, I wiped Mac off of it.

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Mac doesn't even exist anymore.

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Oh, the OS at least.

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But.

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Well, I just meant the lack of being an open platform.

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But yeah, true, true, true.

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So I started off with, so I like I pulled Twitter or whatever,

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cause I just don't really know what I'm doing.

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And I ended up with Fedora.

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So I installed Fedora first.

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Is that good?

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I don't even know what that would have been.

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Reddit's answer.

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But if it happened Fedora, it's fine.

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Most of the time, I don't know about on a Mac,

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but it's fine.

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The open lack of Fedora users and Mac users trashed.

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The circle was one when you were doing that.

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Yeah, that's true.

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That's the truth.

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That's the only reason.

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You were the first person.

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Okay, so I used Fedora and actually dude,

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I love Fedora out of the box.

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Like the way I use Mac was actually the same way you use

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Fedora, like I use hot corners.

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So I use like the top left corner to kind of show like my

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like mission controller, whatever.

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And it was like the defaults of Fedora were exactly like that.

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However, I could not get fucking internet to work on it.

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So I had literally no internet on my machine.

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So what I was doing is I had like chat GPT open on like my

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other Mac, and I was just hand typing super long commands,

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just like literally like 200 character line commands.

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I was about to lose my mind.

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And then I got to the point where I bought a,

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I can't find it, but I bought an ethernet adapter,

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a USB ethernet adapter because I couldn't get the Wi-Fi

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drivers to install.

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So I waited two days for that to ship in.

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I plug it in.

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That didn't even work.

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So I was like, all right, whatever.

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So then I tried to reinstall Fedora again,

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which I did, I did like a different version.

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And then I got it like in this halfway version.

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Well, let me finish.

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So interesting enough, I was able to install the driver's

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halfway, whatever that means, to the point where my USB

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ethernet adapter worked, but then my Wi-Fi didn't work.

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So as soon as I unplugged the adapter, like I lost all

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internet, but then I got into this weird thing where my

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packages were all mismatched, like tried to do like a DNF

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like install force or whatever, with whatever drivers.

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And then everything just went coupled.

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So I was like, all right, after like a week of like trying

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that, I switched to Linux Mint, Cinnamon or whatever.

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Isn't that what, uh, PewDiePie or whatever?

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I've minted before, I used Mint with I3 for a while.

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So yeah, so I don't even know what these mean, to be honest.

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Like Fedora, like, I don't know exactly.

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It's Fedora cool, I don't know.

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Linux Mint is that cool?

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No idea.

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Linux Mint just looked terrible to me.

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So as soon as I installed it, I kind of hated it immediately.

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But I think it's a, but I think it's supposed to look terrible.

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Maybe I don't know.

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So, so the, so I tried the drivers again.

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I tried to sell the drivers.

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Hold on, hold on.

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Well, that's somebody just right now.

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There's somebody out there that's been like, I've spent my

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whole life designing Linux Mint.

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And then you're like, I think it's designed to look terrible.

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That's like, they're like just fell off.

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Like they're meeting in life, just fell apart.

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As soon as they booted up, I was like, ew, it's like the first

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thing I saw was like, dude, like that's like my first word that came out of

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now.

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But I was like, all right, whatever.

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Let me just try to get like internet on this thing.

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So I plug in the adapter.

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Of course, that doesn't work.

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I try Wi-Fi.

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It doesn't work.

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And I'm just like, dude, I'm so tired of just like manually typing commands.

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Like I was talking to Chatchy PT at like the long, it got to the point where I ran

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out of free credits on Chatchy PT that I actually paid for a $20 play in.

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Because I was like, I'm not going to give up because I really gave up for $48.

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This is good.

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This is good.

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Free Linux cost you $20 already.

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Dude, literally.

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But like for 48 hours, I gave up, I was like, dude, I need to stupid, I'm not going to

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that.

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But I was like, you know what?

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I'm going to see this through.

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Because I went on the Unix port.

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I'm out of your trash.

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I went on the Unix port.

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And I was just like going through the top post.

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I was like, man, these looks so cool.

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And I want this.

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So I was like, all right, Hail Mary, let's just try PapoS.

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I was kind of against PapoS because it kind of looks like an operating system for

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little kids.

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Because it's like, it's like spaceships and rockets and stuff.

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And all of this is trash.

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Dude, what?

497
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Trash, trash, trash.

498
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What is directly behind you?

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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All right.

502
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I already got a part.

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This is more.

504
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This is more.

505
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This is an investment.

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This is an investment.

507
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Okay.

508
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This is more of a lot of money.

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All right.

510
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Yeah.

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I got Papo.

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Okay.

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Can you?

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Okay.

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I feel really.

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Okay.

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Man, I just got destroyed on that one.

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Okay.

519
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Okay.

520
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Come back from that.

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Yeah.

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That was tough.

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All right.

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That's thanks everybody for this episode.

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The standard was.

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It's like.

527
00:18:30.680 --> 00:18:35.400
I'm over here, opening my Pokemon cards and eating candy.

528
00:18:35.400 --> 00:18:38.920
And this Linux operating system is making me feel like a child.

529
00:18:38.920 --> 00:18:41.760
It has a rocket ship on it.

530
00:18:41.760 --> 00:18:44.240
Rockets are for children.

531
00:18:44.240 --> 00:18:46.600
And yum earth is for adults.

532
00:18:46.600 --> 00:18:47.600
That.

533
00:18:47.600 --> 00:18:48.600
Yeah.

534
00:18:48.600 --> 00:18:49.600
It's funny.

535
00:18:49.600 --> 00:18:50.600
Is that the way I rise state?

536
00:18:50.600 --> 00:18:52.400
It's for like a fifteen year old like.

537
00:18:52.400 --> 00:18:53.400
Yeah.

538
00:18:53.400 --> 00:18:54.400
Yeah.

539
00:18:54.400 --> 00:18:55.400
Time.

540
00:18:55.400 --> 00:18:56.400
So much.

541
00:18:56.400 --> 00:18:57.400
Look, even worse.

542
00:18:57.400 --> 00:18:58.400
It will be the judge.

543
00:18:58.400 --> 00:18:59.400
Yeah.

544
00:18:59.400 --> 00:19:00.400
We'll be the judge.

545
00:19:00.400 --> 00:19:01.400
Yeah.

546
00:19:01.400 --> 00:19:02.400
It will be the judge.

547
00:19:02.400 --> 00:19:03.400
Yeah.

548
00:19:03.400 --> 00:19:04.400
All right.

549
00:19:04.400 --> 00:19:05.400
So installed Papo S.

550
00:19:05.400 --> 00:19:08.840
That's because everyone said like the drivers are like good like I'll get Wi-Fi out of the

551
00:19:08.840 --> 00:19:09.840
box.

552
00:19:09.840 --> 00:19:13.820
So I install Papo S and long behold like.

553
00:19:13.820 --> 00:19:14.820
Fantastic.

554
00:19:14.820 --> 00:19:16.240
It looks great or it doesn't look great.

555
00:19:16.240 --> 00:19:17.240
But it works.

556
00:19:17.240 --> 00:19:18.240
I was like great.

557
00:19:18.240 --> 00:19:19.880
But then I got to the point where like I just don't like how it looks.

558
00:19:19.880 --> 00:19:21.640
to just look terrible.

559
00:19:21.640 --> 00:19:24.360
And then someone told me about Hyperland.

560
00:19:24.360 --> 00:19:26.120
No idea what Hyperland was.

561
00:19:26.120 --> 00:19:29.080
I kind of know what it is now at this point.

562
00:19:29.080 --> 00:19:31.120
So I installed Hyperland.

563
00:19:31.120 --> 00:19:32.560
And then I switched to Hyperland mode

564
00:19:32.560 --> 00:19:33.840
and then I was just so confused.

565
00:19:33.840 --> 00:19:35.600
Literally, the only thing I could do

566
00:19:35.600 --> 00:19:37.920
was open up a terminal and I did it by accident.

567
00:19:37.920 --> 00:19:41.200
I hit like super enter, I hit super enter whatever

568
00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:42.040
and a terminal open.

569
00:19:42.040 --> 00:19:43.160
And I was like, wow, super cute.

570
00:19:43.160 --> 00:19:44.000
What's happening?

571
00:19:44.000 --> 00:19:45.880
And I was like, where's my browser?

572
00:19:45.880 --> 00:19:47.520
I was like, where's my status bar?

573
00:19:47.520 --> 00:19:49.680
I had literally no idea what to do.

574
00:19:49.680 --> 00:19:51.720
And then thank God for JGPT because I was like,

575
00:19:51.720 --> 00:19:55.280
ChadGPT, how do I just open anything in general?

576
00:19:55.280 --> 00:19:57.280
Because apparently in Hyperland,

577
00:19:57.280 --> 00:19:59.440
literally every single thing you do

578
00:19:59.440 --> 00:20:01.400
just needs like a config.

579
00:20:01.400 --> 00:20:05.400
So I have like a config for my status bar.

580
00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:07.000
I have a config for like Kitty,

581
00:20:07.000 --> 00:20:09.360
which is like the default terminal.

582
00:20:09.360 --> 00:20:11.120
And then just like literally anything you would do.

583
00:20:11.120 --> 00:20:12.880
So the one I opened it for me

584
00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:16.640
was just like just to have a similar experience to Mac

585
00:20:16.640 --> 00:20:19.480
or just like all the software I took for granted

586
00:20:19.520 --> 00:20:22.600
that was like available when you do install like Windows

587
00:20:22.600 --> 00:20:23.720
or Mac.

588
00:20:23.720 --> 00:20:27.400
Like this wasn't there by default nor was it set up.

589
00:20:27.400 --> 00:20:28.880
So I was like sitting here kind of stumbling

590
00:20:28.880 --> 00:20:30.400
through the terminal only.

591
00:20:30.400 --> 00:20:34.560
And what also threw me for loop was like the tile manager.

592
00:20:34.560 --> 00:20:36.960
Like everything opens like in its own designated spot.

593
00:20:36.960 --> 00:20:39.160
Like nothing's floating by default.

594
00:20:39.160 --> 00:20:41.440
So when I was opening stuff, it just like went to like four

595
00:20:41.440 --> 00:20:43.320
squares like a Riverside, which I'm not used to.

596
00:20:43.320 --> 00:20:45.840
I kind of like having things floating

597
00:20:45.840 --> 00:20:47.360
and I like to move things with my mouse

598
00:20:47.360 --> 00:20:49.840
and my mouse just did not work in I Berlin.

599
00:20:49.840 --> 00:20:51.120
I was like trying to click on stuff

600
00:20:51.120 --> 00:20:52.520
and I was like, what is happening?

601
00:20:52.520 --> 00:20:53.760
It's to make things worse.

602
00:20:53.760 --> 00:20:56.160
Apparently if you middle click on Linux

603
00:20:56.160 --> 00:20:57.560
or me at least maybe in pop OS,

604
00:20:57.560 --> 00:20:58.400
I don't know.

605
00:20:58.400 --> 00:21:01.920
It copy and paste like the last thing when you click.

606
00:21:01.920 --> 00:21:03.160
So I was trying to click on stuff

607
00:21:03.160 --> 00:21:06.040
and I just kept pasting like terminal commands everywhere.

608
00:21:06.040 --> 00:21:09.360
And I was like, and I did that for about three days

609
00:21:09.360 --> 00:21:10.920
before I was like, all right, something's wrong

610
00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:11.760
and I googled it and I was like,

611
00:21:11.760 --> 00:21:12.800
oh, that's what's wrong.

612
00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:15.040
So I have to be really careful where I push on my trackpad

613
00:21:15.120 --> 00:21:16.520
because I'm using this like, oh,

614
00:21:16.520 --> 00:21:18.280
I can turn that off, dude.

615
00:21:18.280 --> 00:21:20.000
You can just turn it off.

616
00:21:20.000 --> 00:21:21.440
I have it so that I don't have it.

617
00:21:21.440 --> 00:21:22.640
I don't have, obviously.

618
00:21:22.640 --> 00:21:24.400
But right click is two fingers

619
00:21:24.400 --> 00:21:25.880
and the whole thing is left click.

620
00:21:25.880 --> 00:21:28.360
So I just don't, I just don't mess that up.

621
00:21:28.360 --> 00:21:30.960
All right, well, now I know where to push in my trackpad.

622
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:33.000
So I've really adapted at this point.

623
00:21:33.000 --> 00:21:35.080
Okay, good, good, that's good.

624
00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:36.560
All right, so continue though, trash.

625
00:21:36.560 --> 00:21:39.240
So you're configuring everything in Hyperland.

626
00:21:39.240 --> 00:21:41.480
Yep, so I'm like DotFiles maxed out.

627
00:21:41.480 --> 00:21:44.320
I got my DotFiles on GitHub now, you know what I'm saying?

628
00:21:44.320 --> 00:21:47.040
I went on Reddit and I was like research

629
00:21:47.040 --> 00:21:48.560
and dude, up to eat out of my mind right now,

630
00:21:48.560 --> 00:21:49.560
not even kidding.

631
00:21:49.560 --> 00:21:51.080
Like, I used to hate to eat.

632
00:21:51.080 --> 00:21:53.000
I was like, dude, cloud covered all this stuff, dude.

633
00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:54.920
Like, I'm just gonna use cursor because it's a goob.

634
00:21:54.920 --> 00:21:57.520
And now I'm just like, dude, I live in the terminal now.

635
00:21:57.520 --> 00:21:58.960
And I'm so, I mean, to be honest,

636
00:21:58.960 --> 00:22:00.440
I was like a terminal kid before,

637
00:22:00.440 --> 00:22:02.040
like the cursor stuff came out,

638
00:22:02.040 --> 00:22:03.040
but I just got tired of it.

639
00:22:03.040 --> 00:22:04.360
You definitely are a terminal kid.

640
00:22:04.360 --> 00:22:05.920
I mean, you're still collecting Pokemon.

641
00:22:05.920 --> 00:22:06.760
How are you?

642
00:22:06.760 --> 00:22:10.400
I don't want my operating system look like it's for adults.

643
00:22:10.400 --> 00:22:11.840
I'm never gonna recover from that.

644
00:22:11.840 --> 00:22:13.000
I'm never gonna recover from that.

645
00:22:13.000 --> 00:22:13.840
I'm not the judge.

646
00:22:13.840 --> 00:22:15.880
That was a fatal blow.

647
00:22:15.880 --> 00:22:18.160
I know, that was really bad.

648
00:22:18.160 --> 00:22:20.480
But let me show you what I got.

649
00:22:20.480 --> 00:22:22.560
And because I'm on Linux, I can't share my screen.

650
00:22:22.560 --> 00:22:25.040
So I have a camera pointing at my computer,

651
00:22:25.040 --> 00:22:26.520
which I'm gonna switch to.

652
00:22:26.520 --> 00:22:29.800
But before I switch because the monitor I'm on

653
00:22:29.800 --> 00:22:31.440
for my old Mac just looks like crap.

654
00:22:31.440 --> 00:22:33.240
So the colors don't look as cool.

655
00:22:33.240 --> 00:22:35.960
But I just want to show you what the colors would look like

656
00:22:37.120 --> 00:22:39.160
if they're on a nice monitor.

657
00:22:39.160 --> 00:22:42.520
So here's my, let me see, boom.

658
00:22:42.680 --> 00:22:44.000
Look at that.

659
00:22:44.000 --> 00:22:45.960
Oh, pretty bad is.

660
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:48.840
So this is like my, can you see that prime?

661
00:22:48.840 --> 00:22:51.000
This does look like it's a generic adult.

662
00:22:51.000 --> 00:22:52.640
I did, I did put you in big mode.

663
00:22:52.640 --> 00:22:54.680
Trash, who's the, who's the wife who?

664
00:22:54.680 --> 00:22:55.680
That's the wife who?

665
00:22:55.680 --> 00:22:56.520
Yeah, who's the wife who?

666
00:22:56.520 --> 00:22:57.960
That's the chicken from Demon Slayer.

667
00:22:57.960 --> 00:22:59.160
So that's the chick from Demon Slayer.

668
00:22:59.160 --> 00:23:00.560
I actually have her at my wall here.

669
00:23:00.560 --> 00:23:04.320
Also, I can see literally a wall of Demon Slayer right now

670
00:23:04.320 --> 00:23:06.680
in Chad being like, dude, so.

671
00:23:06.680 --> 00:23:08.520
Yeah, so that's a Demon Slayer from Demon Slayer.

672
00:23:08.520 --> 00:23:11.760
And then dude, I went on like a wallpaper spree

673
00:23:11.880 --> 00:23:13.120
for like four hours over the weekend

674
00:23:13.120 --> 00:23:16.440
just trying to find wallpaper

675
00:23:16.440 --> 00:23:18.800
that just look good with like this neon color

676
00:23:18.800 --> 00:23:20.320
I got going on, okay?

677
00:23:20.320 --> 00:23:22.760
So I just want to show this before I switch to my camera mode

678
00:23:22.760 --> 00:23:25.280
but here, you guys ready for some scuff demoing?

679
00:23:25.280 --> 00:23:27.000
Because this is about to get washed.

680
00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:27.840
All right, let's go.

681
00:23:27.840 --> 00:23:28.840
Hit us.

682
00:23:28.840 --> 00:23:29.680
Okay.

683
00:23:29.680 --> 00:23:30.920
Okay, hold on.

684
00:23:30.920 --> 00:23:32.440
First of all, that's a screenshot.

685
00:23:32.440 --> 00:23:33.440
Oh, that's a screenshot.

686
00:23:33.440 --> 00:23:34.280
Sorry.

687
00:23:34.280 --> 00:23:35.120
That we're currently looking for.

688
00:23:35.120 --> 00:23:40.120
Before we keep going, someone says Demon Slayer

689
00:23:40.120 --> 00:23:42.480
is a very overrated anime.

690
00:23:42.480 --> 00:23:43.320
Do you have any comments?

691
00:23:43.320 --> 00:23:45.000
It is kind of overrated, but I did like,

692
00:23:45.000 --> 00:23:46.520
I specifically chose this one

693
00:23:46.520 --> 00:23:48.440
because the color just looks sick.

694
00:23:48.440 --> 00:23:49.280
Okay.

695
00:23:49.280 --> 00:23:50.120
All right.

696
00:23:50.120 --> 00:23:50.960
There you go.

697
00:23:50.960 --> 00:23:51.800
We just wanted to get it out there.

698
00:23:51.800 --> 00:23:52.800
I just wanted to make sure in case there was a fight

699
00:23:52.800 --> 00:23:53.960
you wanted to have with anybody you could have.

700
00:23:53.960 --> 00:23:56.960
Trash, my favorite anime is the live action remake

701
00:23:56.960 --> 00:23:57.800
of one piece.

702
00:23:57.800 --> 00:23:58.640
I hate one piece too.

703
00:23:58.640 --> 00:24:00.440
One piece and live action in the same sentence

704
00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:02.560
is like gonna trigger me.

705
00:24:02.560 --> 00:24:04.560
But here, here's the poster up.

706
00:24:04.560 --> 00:24:05.600
Can you see it?

707
00:24:05.600 --> 00:24:06.760
Yeah, we can see that.

708
00:24:06.760 --> 00:24:07.600
We can see that trash.

709
00:24:07.600 --> 00:24:08.440
Oh, it's a delay.

710
00:24:08.480 --> 00:24:10.640
That's the poster that's like, right above.

711
00:24:10.640 --> 00:24:11.880
But here you go.

712
00:24:11.880 --> 00:24:13.960
Oh, there we go.

713
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:15.640
This is the demo for my Linux.

714
00:24:15.640 --> 00:24:16.960
All right, so there's my,

715
00:24:16.960 --> 00:24:18.160
there's just my login screen

716
00:24:18.160 --> 00:24:20.680
that I had to configure myself by the way.

717
00:24:20.680 --> 00:24:22.920
I love that we're getting the blammer witch version

718
00:24:22.920 --> 00:24:23.760
of this.

719
00:24:23.760 --> 00:24:25.000
Dude, that's that stuff.

720
00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:25.840
Oh, God.

721
00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:27.400
I just see my password too, dude.

722
00:24:27.400 --> 00:24:28.240
Yeah, really?

723
00:24:28.240 --> 00:24:29.080
Yeah, I just have my password.

724
00:24:29.080 --> 00:24:30.640
I just totally tied my password

725
00:24:30.640 --> 00:24:32.440
with like the camera pointing at it.

726
00:24:34.600 --> 00:24:36.880
Is it the one password or?

727
00:24:37.240 --> 00:24:40.240
Please tell me it's not the one password.

728
00:24:40.240 --> 00:24:42.160
It's like one of my old one passwords

729
00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:44.080
that I've just done it strong enough.

730
00:24:44.080 --> 00:24:45.840
So I upgraded to a different one password.

731
00:24:45.840 --> 00:24:47.320
That's pretty complicated.

732
00:24:48.280 --> 00:24:49.120
You wouldn't understand.

733
00:24:49.120 --> 00:24:51.280
This other password goes to a different school.

734
00:24:51.280 --> 00:24:53.520
This is a, this is a, this is a new password.

735
00:24:53.520 --> 00:24:55.200
It's got a dollar sign in it.

736
00:24:55.200 --> 00:24:56.040
Yeah.

737
00:24:56.040 --> 00:24:57.200
It's very hard to get.

738
00:24:57.200 --> 00:24:58.040
I've had a demo this.

739
00:24:58.040 --> 00:24:59.360
This is so hard.

740
00:24:59.360 --> 00:25:00.720
This is, okay.

741
00:25:00.720 --> 00:25:03.320
So this is my, this is my default screen, right?

742
00:25:03.320 --> 00:25:05.160
So this is what I mean, the, good.

743
00:25:05.160 --> 00:25:06.480
This is what I mean like with the Thal manager.

744
00:25:06.480 --> 00:25:09.000
So I do like command enter, which is like the default.

745
00:25:09.000 --> 00:25:10.120
Like it does like the tyling thing.

746
00:25:10.120 --> 00:25:11.040
This one's floating right now.

747
00:25:11.040 --> 00:25:12.280
So let me fix that.

748
00:25:12.280 --> 00:25:13.440
But this is like the tyling thing.

749
00:25:13.440 --> 00:25:16.320
Like it does this thing, which I'm not used to, right?

750
00:25:16.320 --> 00:25:17.600
I love that by the way.

751
00:25:17.600 --> 00:25:21.040
Huge fan of that plus different dustops make me very happy.

752
00:25:21.040 --> 00:25:22.440
Mm-hmm.

753
00:25:22.440 --> 00:25:24.120
And then we got the, we got the,

754
00:25:24.120 --> 00:25:25.800
obviously you got to have B top on there.

755
00:25:25.800 --> 00:25:26.640
You know what I'm saying?

756
00:25:26.640 --> 00:25:27.640
So I got to put on my screen.

757
00:25:27.640 --> 00:25:29.680
I'll put on my screen while my wife walks by.

758
00:25:29.680 --> 00:25:31.360
So I just like impress her.

759
00:25:31.360 --> 00:25:32.200
Yeah.

760
00:25:32.200 --> 00:25:34.200
She's like, oh, you're finally working.

761
00:25:34.200 --> 00:25:36.520
I asked you, you know what I'm saying?

762
00:25:36.520 --> 00:25:38.280
And then you know, then now I'm just like,

763
00:25:38.280 --> 00:25:39.880
I got the two we follow manager.

764
00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:42.040
I'm using this thing called Yatsi.

765
00:25:42.040 --> 00:25:42.880
Yeah.

766
00:25:42.880 --> 00:25:43.720
I don't know if you guys heard of Yatsi.

767
00:25:43.720 --> 00:25:44.560
Dude, this thing is sick.

768
00:25:44.560 --> 00:25:46.400
I was going to use either a Ranger or Yatsi.

769
00:25:46.400 --> 00:25:48.480
But I saw like on Reddit some guy was using Yatsi

770
00:25:48.480 --> 00:25:52.240
and this thing was like, super sec.

771
00:25:52.240 --> 00:25:53.240
Let me see, what else we got here?

772
00:25:53.240 --> 00:25:54.120
We got my work.

773
00:25:54.120 --> 00:25:56.920
So I have my, my status bar top, which is customizable.

774
00:25:56.920 --> 00:25:59.720
Usually I turn it off because I don't really need to see

775
00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:00.560
that stuff.

776
00:26:00.560 --> 00:26:02.480
Oh, trash, that was smooth, dude.

777
00:26:02.480 --> 00:26:03.560
That was smooth.

778
00:26:03.560 --> 00:26:04.880
Yeah, I could figure it, check this out.

779
00:26:04.880 --> 00:26:08.080
So, oh my God, we're, we can see that's perfect.

780
00:26:08.080 --> 00:26:11.160
This is all custom artisanal code.

781
00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:12.160
Yeah.

782
00:26:12.160 --> 00:26:13.000
That is.

783
00:26:13.000 --> 00:26:14.360
Did you use it more than it?

784
00:26:14.360 --> 00:26:15.800
Is that a way bar?

785
00:26:15.800 --> 00:26:18.200
Yeah, I think way bar is like the main thing people use.

786
00:26:18.200 --> 00:26:20.120
So I just made it just, I saw someone on a,

787
00:26:20.120 --> 00:26:21.760
I couldn't get any ideas on how to make it look cool.

788
00:26:21.760 --> 00:26:24.000
So I went on Reddit and just like saw some guys.

789
00:26:24.000 --> 00:26:25.040
I was like, that looks sick.

790
00:26:25.040 --> 00:26:26.920
So I just kind of went down a rabbit hole.

791
00:26:26.920 --> 00:26:29.080
I like that it's not the full size.

792
00:26:29.080 --> 00:26:31.360
It's a little bit more compacted and doesn't go to the end.

793
00:26:31.360 --> 00:26:32.200
It's actually like that.

794
00:26:32.200 --> 00:26:33.040
I think that's pretty clever.

795
00:26:33.040 --> 00:26:33.880
I'm okay.

796
00:26:33.880 --> 00:26:34.720
That's sick.

797
00:26:34.720 --> 00:26:37.760
Yeah, initially, I was worried trash initially

798
00:26:37.760 --> 00:26:40.040
that you hadn't figured out how to get the screen

799
00:26:40.040 --> 00:26:43.160
to extend to the edge of the display.

800
00:26:43.160 --> 00:26:45.560
And so we saw that there's a fair assumption.

801
00:26:45.560 --> 00:26:49.000
There's a fair assumption, okay.

802
00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:50.320
Here's my dot files.

803
00:26:50.320 --> 00:26:51.160
Look at that.

804
00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:52.320
I got a knee of them up, you know what I'm saying?

805
00:26:52.320 --> 00:26:53.160
Look at it.

806
00:26:53.160 --> 00:26:54.400
Look how beautiful this looks.

807
00:26:54.400 --> 00:26:56.560
Oh, wait, oh, oh, hold on, hold on.

808
00:26:56.560 --> 00:26:58.440
We got the telescope set up.

809
00:26:58.440 --> 00:27:00.000
Oh, look at that.

810
00:27:00.000 --> 00:27:00.840
Telescope.

811
00:27:00.840 --> 00:27:02.680
Yeah, you know, you know.

812
00:27:02.720 --> 00:27:03.880
Nice trash, nice.

813
00:27:03.880 --> 00:27:06.880
And then we got, obviously I did my dot files in Lua

814
00:27:06.880 --> 00:27:10.600
because apparently not doing it in Lua is not cool.

815
00:27:10.600 --> 00:27:11.960
So I switched it to Lua.

816
00:27:11.960 --> 00:27:12.800
So now we're on Lua.

817
00:27:12.800 --> 00:27:14.280
Oh, we all the new Hyperlanc stuff.

818
00:27:14.280 --> 00:27:15.840
The new Hyperlanc Lua can fit.

819
00:27:15.840 --> 00:27:16.680
Nice.

820
00:27:16.680 --> 00:27:18.880
It looks so much nicer too.

821
00:27:18.880 --> 00:27:20.600
Like the way you can just write a Lua

822
00:27:20.600 --> 00:27:22.000
just makes it just so much easier to complete.

823
00:27:22.000 --> 00:27:23.840
Did you get good auto complete with Lua too?

824
00:27:23.840 --> 00:27:25.880
Like were you able to pull down?

825
00:27:25.880 --> 00:27:26.720
I think so.

826
00:27:26.720 --> 00:27:27.560
That's pretty decent.

827
00:27:27.560 --> 00:27:28.400
It was pretty decent.

828
00:27:28.400 --> 00:27:29.240
Pretty decent.

829
00:27:29.240 --> 00:27:30.320
I had a pretty good experience.

830
00:27:30.320 --> 00:27:31.000
Where are we going here?

831
00:27:31.000 --> 00:27:33.280
Number two, my dot files.

832
00:27:33.280 --> 00:27:34.120
Check me out.

833
00:27:34.120 --> 00:27:35.120
Got my dot files now.

834
00:27:35.120 --> 00:27:36.080
Star that bad boy.

835
00:27:36.080 --> 00:27:37.080
Guys, get over there.

836
00:27:37.080 --> 00:27:37.920
Yeah, star that fast.

837
00:27:37.920 --> 00:27:38.760
Make some sense.

838
00:27:38.760 --> 00:27:39.600
Don't say.

839
00:27:39.600 --> 00:27:40.440
You need some dot files.

840
00:27:40.440 --> 00:27:43.160
You got your anime wife who's inside of there as well.

841
00:27:43.160 --> 00:27:44.920
Or do you talk about this separately?

842
00:27:44.920 --> 00:27:46.720
Of course, I got my wallpapers, bro.

843
00:27:46.720 --> 00:27:47.400
You kidding me?

844
00:27:47.400 --> 00:27:48.240
All right.

845
00:27:48.240 --> 00:27:49.080
Just make it sure.

846
00:27:49.080 --> 00:27:49.920
Just make it sure.

847
00:27:49.920 --> 00:27:52.000
I needed to make sure people could have the authentic trash

848
00:27:52.000 --> 00:27:53.320
experience.

849
00:27:53.320 --> 00:27:53.840
Yeah.

850
00:27:53.840 --> 00:27:55.400
And then, and then I have a couple of other modes.

851
00:27:55.400 --> 00:27:58.600
I got a, I haven't set up to like if I just like hotkey

852
00:27:58.600 --> 00:27:59.680
like my browser.

853
00:27:59.680 --> 00:28:03.320
So if I do like command G opens up another like a browser

854
00:28:03.320 --> 00:28:04.320
or whatever.

855
00:28:04.320 --> 00:28:04.920
You know what I'm saying?

856
00:28:04.920 --> 00:28:07.000
And then what else I got?

857
00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:08.920
We got the function keys work.

858
00:28:08.920 --> 00:28:11.200
Can you like make the screen brightness go up and down?

859
00:28:11.200 --> 00:28:12.480
Or is that a TV?

860
00:28:12.480 --> 00:28:13.400
Oh, it's fine now.

861
00:28:13.400 --> 00:28:14.440
That's a good question.

862
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:16.240
That's a good question.

863
00:28:16.240 --> 00:28:17.240
Oh, it does work.

864
00:28:17.240 --> 00:28:18.240
Yay, yay, yay, yay.

865
00:28:18.240 --> 00:28:19.400
Wow.

866
00:28:19.400 --> 00:28:20.240
Do not going to lie.

867
00:28:20.240 --> 00:28:24.080
I couldn't fix, I couldn't fix my volume for like two days.

868
00:28:24.080 --> 00:28:25.880
And then I had to like, because I had to configure it.

869
00:28:25.880 --> 00:28:28.240
And then I had to like basically dude, everything you just

870
00:28:28.240 --> 00:28:29.960
have to configure, which is insane.

871
00:28:29.960 --> 00:28:32.920
So like this thing, like the, oh gosh.

872
00:28:32.920 --> 00:28:35.080
Oh, oh, oh, oh.

873
00:28:35.080 --> 00:28:36.080
What's happening?

874
00:28:36.080 --> 00:28:38.120
Hold on.

875
00:28:38.120 --> 00:28:39.080
Oh, there we go.

876
00:28:39.080 --> 00:28:41.200
Just to like get like a spotlight type thing

877
00:28:41.200 --> 00:28:42.520
took me forever to do.

878
00:28:42.520 --> 00:28:44.800
So you can like type in and get all the good stuff.

879
00:28:44.800 --> 00:28:47.080
And then I have like a separate mode for like windows that

880
00:28:47.080 --> 00:28:51.320
are open, a separate mode for like calculator or whatever.

881
00:28:51.320 --> 00:28:52.960
Oh, what else I got in here?

882
00:28:52.960 --> 00:28:54.720
I think that might be it.

883
00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:56.320
Drash, I got a question for you.

884
00:28:56.320 --> 00:28:56.840
Yeah, what's that?

885
00:28:56.840 --> 00:28:59.920
How much of the, how much of the config are, when you're

886
00:28:59.920 --> 00:29:01.600
saying you're artisanally doing it, you're saying

887
00:29:01.600 --> 00:29:02.720
you're handwriting this?

888
00:29:02.720 --> 00:29:04.760
You asked me a lot of it at first.

889
00:29:04.760 --> 00:29:05.600
Wow.

890
00:29:05.600 --> 00:29:07.720
So I wanted to learn how to do it.

891
00:29:07.720 --> 00:29:08.800
OK.

892
00:29:08.800 --> 00:29:11.240
So like, when it was like more of the traditional route,

893
00:29:11.240 --> 00:29:12.280
I went to Stack Overflow.

894
00:29:12.280 --> 00:29:13.600
And I looked at people's doffiles.

895
00:29:13.600 --> 00:29:14.880
And I kind of just looked at it.

896
00:29:14.880 --> 00:29:16.200
Like I would have done pre-AI.

897
00:29:16.200 --> 00:29:19.720
And first just like going into ChatGPT and just like,

898
00:29:19.720 --> 00:29:20.920
tell it to reconfigure.

899
00:29:20.920 --> 00:29:22.360
I did at some point have it like help me.

900
00:29:22.360 --> 00:29:24.720
If I got like super stuck, I'm like, what am I doing wrong?

901
00:29:24.720 --> 00:29:27.160
I kind of don't deal with my configuration stuff.

902
00:29:27.160 --> 00:29:29.400
But other than that, yeah, I tried to just like do everything

903
00:29:29.400 --> 00:29:30.920
by hand so I can like, truly learn it.

904
00:29:30.920 --> 00:29:33.440
There's a lot of stuff I don't really

905
00:29:33.440 --> 00:29:33.960
understand.

906
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:37.200
Like, hyperland is like the, I don't even know.

907
00:29:37.200 --> 00:29:40.720
It's like the window manager and something else put together.

908
00:29:40.720 --> 00:29:42.440
I don't even know how to describe it.

909
00:29:43.440 --> 00:29:45.680
It's the desktop environment.

910
00:29:45.680 --> 00:29:46.440
OK.

911
00:29:46.440 --> 00:29:47.800
But it also handles like the window.

912
00:29:47.800 --> 00:29:50.400
So like, when you say like you use like I3,

913
00:29:50.400 --> 00:29:53.560
that's like the alternative to what I would use here, right?

914
00:29:53.560 --> 00:29:55.600
Yeah, I don't use I3 anymore.

915
00:29:55.600 --> 00:29:58.800
I moved over to hyperland.

916
00:29:58.800 --> 00:30:01.480
And so it is all the things in one.

917
00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:03.680
So you get the tyling.

918
00:30:03.680 --> 00:30:04.880
You get the compositor.

919
00:30:04.880 --> 00:30:06.000
Like, everything just works.

920
00:30:06.000 --> 00:30:07.360
Like in the I3 days, it's the brain.

921
00:30:07.360 --> 00:30:08.320
It's the word I was looking for.

922
00:30:08.320 --> 00:30:10.480
You get to bring it all together in I3 land.

923
00:30:10.480 --> 00:30:11.480
Yeah.

924
00:30:11.480 --> 00:30:15.120
So I'm going with I wanted my terminal to be like a little bit more opaque.

925
00:30:15.120 --> 00:30:16.600
Or like like laying the pasties.

926
00:30:16.600 --> 00:30:19.120
I could see through more, but apparently because of the compositor,

927
00:30:19.120 --> 00:30:21.200
this is like as much as it can get.

928
00:30:21.200 --> 00:30:22.560
So it's like, it's pretty boring.

929
00:30:22.560 --> 00:30:24.280
It's not the desktop environment, my bad.

930
00:30:24.280 --> 00:30:26.880
It's the window manager plus compositor.

931
00:30:26.880 --> 00:30:27.640
OK.

932
00:30:27.640 --> 00:30:31.720
So is it the compiler question by compositor?

933
00:30:31.720 --> 00:30:38.400
So does that mean I've never looked at sort of the new architecture of Linux?

934
00:30:38.400 --> 00:30:40.960
So Wayland is not a compositor.

935
00:30:40.960 --> 00:30:43.760
It's just a substrate you build a compositor on.

936
00:30:43.760 --> 00:30:45.960
Or what?

937
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:50.160
I thought I thought Wayland was like the protocol for it.

938
00:30:50.160 --> 00:30:53.320
I could be I pretty sure I'm just curious about the terminology.

939
00:30:53.320 --> 00:30:56.440
Like obviously, I know what Wayland actually is, but I'm just curious like,

940
00:30:56.440 --> 00:30:58.960
what do they now call a compositor?

941
00:30:58.960 --> 00:31:01.320
Yeah, it's something that implements the protocols.

942
00:31:01.320 --> 00:31:04.840
So I'm pretty sure way, yes, chat is saying Wayland is just protocols.

943
00:31:04.840 --> 00:31:05.880
So Wayland is nothing.

944
00:31:05.880 --> 00:31:06.880
OK.

945
00:31:06.880 --> 00:31:10.840
And then Hyperland is the compositor that implements Wayland.

946
00:31:10.840 --> 00:31:13.640
OK, so Wayland is like this spec.

947
00:31:13.640 --> 00:31:19.680
And then anyone can implement the Wayland spec is actually right.

948
00:31:19.680 --> 00:31:25.880
And then so something like Hyperland goes like, OK, I've implemented the Wayland spec.

949
00:31:25.880 --> 00:31:29.040
So anyone who's written to that, like, I've got all the endpoints.

950
00:31:29.040 --> 00:31:32.720
So this thing will just work on top of it and then we're going to do whatever we want.

951
00:31:32.720 --> 00:31:36.360
But it's not like we had to install another implementation of Wayland

952
00:31:36.360 --> 00:31:40.000
alongside like Hyperland to get it to work.

953
00:31:40.000 --> 00:31:43.840
It's all just kind of like folded into one.

954
00:31:43.840 --> 00:31:47.560
I think that's why it's not the correct description of it, chat.

955
00:31:47.560 --> 00:31:48.520
All right, one more thing.

956
00:31:48.520 --> 00:31:49.280
You guys are ready for it?

957
00:31:49.280 --> 00:31:49.800
Oh, yeah.

958
00:31:49.800 --> 00:31:50.640
Oh, yeah, of course.

959
00:31:50.640 --> 00:31:51.560
Hold on.

960
00:31:51.560 --> 00:31:52.400
Hold on.

961
00:31:52.400 --> 00:31:53.640
Why is it not working?

962
00:31:53.640 --> 00:31:54.800
Boom.

963
00:31:54.800 --> 00:31:55.320
Change.

964
00:31:55.320 --> 00:31:57.000
Oh, with the slide?

965
00:31:57.000 --> 00:31:57.840
Yeah.

966
00:31:57.840 --> 00:31:58.680
What is that again?

967
00:31:58.680 --> 00:31:59.360
It changes again.

968
00:31:59.360 --> 00:32:00.400
It changes the animation.

969
00:32:00.400 --> 00:32:01.400
All right, it's like on shuffle.

970
00:32:01.400 --> 00:32:02.640
So we've got something.

971
00:32:02.640 --> 00:32:03.600
What is this?

972
00:32:03.600 --> 00:32:04.240
What is that?

973
00:32:04.240 --> 00:32:05.960
You just hit a key to change your,

974
00:32:05.960 --> 00:32:07.560
in case you're feeling like a change of mood.

975
00:32:07.560 --> 00:32:09.640
Yeah, so this is actually my favorite wallpaper.

976
00:32:09.640 --> 00:32:13.000
So what I'm going to do is there's this other thing called wall lust.

977
00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:18.280
It will actually change the entire theme of your desktop to match the color of the photo

978
00:32:18.280 --> 00:32:19.280
in the background.

979
00:32:19.280 --> 00:32:20.880
So that's my next adventure.

980
00:32:20.880 --> 00:32:21.880
It's called wall lust.

981
00:32:21.880 --> 00:32:22.880
It's like some rust thing.

982
00:32:22.880 --> 00:32:23.880
Someone wrote.

983
00:32:23.880 --> 00:32:27.000
So I'm going in deep and then I'm actually going to, I'm buying another computer right

984
00:32:27.000 --> 00:32:28.000
now.

985
00:32:28.000 --> 00:32:31.400
So I'm ready to put this these dot files on another computer that will actually work

986
00:32:31.400 --> 00:32:32.400
and use it as my main machine.

987
00:32:32.400 --> 00:32:34.720
I'm going to start trying to game on it.

988
00:32:34.720 --> 00:32:37.240
And then I'm going to actually start being on the stand up with Linux.

989
00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:38.480
Can you believe it?

990
00:32:38.480 --> 00:32:39.480
I can.

991
00:32:39.480 --> 00:32:41.280
The Linux future is here, man.

992
00:32:41.280 --> 00:32:42.280
It's coming.

993
00:32:42.280 --> 00:32:43.880
People do not understand.

994
00:32:43.880 --> 00:32:45.320
They think the big story is AI.

995
00:32:45.320 --> 00:32:46.760
The big story is Linux, man.

996
00:32:46.760 --> 00:32:47.760
It is.

997
00:32:47.760 --> 00:32:51.160
It's like, you're of the Linux desktop.

998
00:32:51.160 --> 00:32:53.960
So many people are like, yep, I'm moving over.

999
00:32:53.960 --> 00:32:54.960
All right.

1000
00:32:54.960 --> 00:32:55.960
So I have a real question.

1001
00:32:55.960 --> 00:32:56.960
Yeah.

1002
00:32:56.960 --> 00:32:57.960
My arm is tired.

1003
00:32:57.960 --> 00:32:59.960
So I'm switching bows right now.

1004
00:32:59.960 --> 00:33:00.960
Okay.

1005
00:33:00.960 --> 00:33:01.960
Okay.

1006
00:33:01.960 --> 00:33:02.960
Switch.

1007
00:33:02.960 --> 00:33:04.680
I'm like, I'm like in an earthquake mode right now.

1008
00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.320
Yeah, we can, we can see that.

1009
00:33:06.320 --> 00:33:07.320
I know.

1010
00:33:07.320 --> 00:33:08.320
Nice.

1011
00:33:08.320 --> 00:33:09.320
Good job.

1012
00:33:09.320 --> 00:33:10.320
Great.

1013
00:33:10.320 --> 00:33:12.520
Can we get some claps for trash in the chat, please?

1014
00:33:12.520 --> 00:33:13.520
Everybody?

1015
00:33:13.520 --> 00:33:14.520
That's great.

1016
00:33:14.520 --> 00:33:15.520
Yep.

1017
00:33:15.520 --> 00:33:16.520
I am Linux, peeled.

1018
00:33:16.520 --> 00:33:21.400
Like, I'm not going to lie like, I always thought it was a waste of time.

1019
00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:26.720
But after using Linux and realizing like all this bloat I've been used to, like windows

1020
00:33:26.720 --> 00:33:30.680
was like the ads and just like all this like stupid stuff that added.

1021
00:33:30.680 --> 00:33:33.560
And then Mac with like, it's worthless like spotlight out of the box.

1022
00:33:33.560 --> 00:33:34.560
It's finder's terrible.

1023
00:33:34.560 --> 00:33:35.560
Yeah.

1024
00:33:35.560 --> 00:33:36.560
Finder is terrible.

1025
00:33:36.560 --> 00:33:37.560
Yeah.

1026
00:33:37.560 --> 00:33:40.440
Like, finder's like literally the recipes of software I've used in my life, like just being

1027
00:33:40.440 --> 00:33:41.440
able to.

1028
00:33:41.440 --> 00:33:42.440
Yep.

1029
00:33:42.440 --> 00:33:47.480
And I also just underestimated how fun it is to just configure things in the way I want

1030
00:33:47.480 --> 00:33:48.480
them to be.

1031
00:33:48.480 --> 00:33:51.120
Versus like these operating systems I can change like the color.

1032
00:33:51.120 --> 00:33:52.120
Whoop, they do.

1033
00:33:52.120 --> 00:33:53.120
Right.

1034
00:33:53.120 --> 00:33:57.000
Here I can actually change like pretty much all of it to however I want.

1035
00:33:57.000 --> 00:34:02.560
And it kind of like when I first started using them like in 2018 or whatever, it gave

1036
00:34:02.560 --> 00:34:06.720
me like the same kind of feeling where I just wanted to configure this to make it my

1037
00:34:06.720 --> 00:34:08.280
own for a long time.

1038
00:34:08.280 --> 00:34:10.600
And this is pretty much what I did.

1039
00:34:10.600 --> 00:34:12.240
So like it was just like dude, I was addicted.

1040
00:34:12.240 --> 00:34:15.680
I was just sitting on my computer just like between my prompts at work.

1041
00:34:15.680 --> 00:34:19.480
I was like Linux max and dude, I was just like, all right, let's let's let's see what

1042
00:34:19.480 --> 00:34:20.480
else I can do.

1043
00:34:20.480 --> 00:34:21.920
So I'm kind of like still riding that high.

1044
00:34:21.920 --> 00:34:25.480
So it's it's probably going to get a lot more intense over the next couple of months

1045
00:34:25.480 --> 00:34:26.480
or so.

1046
00:34:26.480 --> 00:34:27.480
I can't wait.

1047
00:34:27.480 --> 00:34:28.480
I love this arc.

1048
00:34:28.480 --> 00:34:29.480
I love trash Linux.

1049
00:34:29.480 --> 00:34:30.480
Me too.

1050
00:34:30.480 --> 00:34:33.720
I am very curious about this because you specifically said this multiple times, which is this

1051
00:34:33.720 --> 00:34:37.760
whole like configuration thing for everything is just kind of weird.

1052
00:34:37.760 --> 00:34:42.680
Now that you've had this configuration for everything, do you see that the lack of configuration

1053
00:34:42.680 --> 00:34:45.880
for everything is actually for me is actually weird.

1054
00:34:45.880 --> 00:34:50.320
Like you can't like make almost any decisions for other operating systems in any sort of

1055
00:34:50.320 --> 00:34:51.320
real way.

1056
00:34:51.320 --> 00:34:54.680
And then there's all these programs that then get built on top of it that you like can't

1057
00:34:54.680 --> 00:34:58.640
alter without really weird ways because no one has the mentality of like, hey, you can

1058
00:34:58.640 --> 00:35:00.120
fully customize it.

1059
00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:02.120
So just I just love that aspect.

1060
00:35:02.120 --> 00:35:06.240
And so I'm curious if you've now changed or you now like, hey, where is the config for

1061
00:35:06.240 --> 00:35:07.240
this program?

1062
00:35:07.240 --> 00:35:10.880
I mean, kind of yeah, like when I'm in but I switched back to Mac and I'm using like

1063
00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.560
my window manager, I'm just like, I'm like, dude, I got to tweak this like this is not

1064
00:35:14.560 --> 00:35:18.720
because I'm not using the exact same hot keys that my that my Linux machine is using.

1065
00:35:18.720 --> 00:35:21.840
So now I have to switch like my mental model.

1066
00:35:21.840 --> 00:35:24.640
I'm apparently on Twitter so I can like fix that, but I'm just going to go full Linux.

1067
00:35:24.640 --> 00:35:27.520
I'm trying to switch my my work computer Linux at some point.

1068
00:35:27.520 --> 00:35:28.520
Dude, this is so exciting.

1069
00:35:28.520 --> 00:35:29.520
I love this.

1070
00:35:29.520 --> 00:35:30.520
I love this.

1071
00:35:30.520 --> 00:35:34.040
I'm excited to try a lot of my coworkers use Linux, which I didn't realize you could

1072
00:35:34.040 --> 00:35:35.040
do.

1073
00:35:35.040 --> 00:35:39.480
Yeah, I used it for using Linux, yes, six, eight years at there.

1074
00:35:39.480 --> 00:35:41.480
So what machine did you get?

1075
00:35:41.480 --> 00:35:46.800
Let me do my own almost every single time just because I didn't like Lenovo.

1076
00:35:46.800 --> 00:35:50.960
So I tried a razor, which by the way, I had a 40 minute battery life and I tried for

1077
00:35:51.520 --> 00:35:54.960
days to get Bumblebee to work, which was the old switch between integrated and

1078
00:35:54.960 --> 00:35:55.960
dedicated GPU thing.

1079
00:35:55.960 --> 00:35:56.960
Oh, man.

1080
00:35:56.960 --> 00:35:57.960
I hated Bumblebee.

1081
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:01.920
It's BumbleBitch is more like it like that was just the worst thing in the universe.

1082
00:36:01.920 --> 00:36:05.040
And then you know, that as time went on, I had a bunch of other ones.

1083
00:36:05.040 --> 00:36:10.200
And so, you know, at least if it's the big end is still the exact same as it was back

1084
00:36:10.200 --> 00:36:14.200
in my back, my day, you can just buy a laptop and use that Linux.

1085
00:36:14.200 --> 00:36:16.080
They have good open VPN support.

1086
00:36:16.080 --> 00:36:17.080
They have good.

1087
00:36:17.640 --> 00:36:21.040
But stuff like F5 or whatever it is, all those things I'll work just throwing it out

1088
00:36:21.040 --> 00:36:22.040
there.

1089
00:36:22.040 --> 00:36:23.040
I mean, we got these of course sponsored.

1090
00:36:23.040 --> 00:36:27.520
So not technically an ad for this episode, but they are sponsored.

1091
00:36:27.520 --> 00:36:28.520
These XBSs are awesome.

1092
00:36:28.520 --> 00:36:35.520
I would suggest trash, although this probably doesn't need to be said anymore, but I'd

1093
00:36:35.520 --> 00:36:37.920
suggest staying away from Nvidia parts.

1094
00:36:37.920 --> 00:36:38.920
Yes.

1095
00:36:38.920 --> 00:36:39.920
Good point.

1096
00:36:39.920 --> 00:36:40.920
Generally speaking.

1097
00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:46.960
So either get either an AMD like integrated chip or get an Intel integrated chip.

1098
00:36:47.440 --> 00:36:52.360
And do not get a discrete Nvidia graphics, you know, just stay away from that.

1099
00:36:52.360 --> 00:36:55.160
That's what I'd say because they don't support Linux very well at all.

1100
00:36:55.160 --> 00:36:56.160
Okay.

1101
00:36:56.160 --> 00:36:58.680
And they've always historically been significantly worse.

1102
00:36:58.680 --> 00:37:00.800
Whereas all the others, right?

1103
00:37:00.800 --> 00:37:05.440
Like now that the revolution has happened, hasn't like a lot more investment from Nvidia

1104
00:37:05.440 --> 00:37:07.280
into this world.

1105
00:37:07.280 --> 00:37:08.280
Happened.

1106
00:37:08.280 --> 00:37:11.440
But I mean, it has, but it hasn't really made it better as far as I've seen.

1107
00:37:11.440 --> 00:37:14.720
I think too for like consumer hardware, it's not it's not hitting as much.

1108
00:37:14.720 --> 00:37:19.360
I would say the exception for that trash would be if you get something from like System

1109
00:37:19.360 --> 00:37:25.720
76 or Framework or somebody else, yeah, I think the framework is designed for Linux,

1110
00:37:25.720 --> 00:37:26.720
right?

1111
00:37:26.720 --> 00:37:29.040
So you know you're going to have drivers for everything that work well.

1112
00:37:29.040 --> 00:37:30.040
Right.

1113
00:37:30.040 --> 00:37:34.760
So if you buy one, yeah, that's meant for the Linux experience, then then you don't have

1114
00:37:34.760 --> 00:37:37.640
to be so worried about the Nvidia situation.

1115
00:37:37.640 --> 00:37:38.640
You're like, it's fine.

1116
00:37:38.640 --> 00:37:40.440
They tested them and it works.

1117
00:37:41.160 --> 00:37:45.280
But we have a lot of AMD stuff here and it all works fine on Linux, right?

1118
00:37:45.280 --> 00:37:50.200
Like we have AMD laptops and AMD desktops and they all work fine.

1119
00:37:50.200 --> 00:37:53.040
And video stuff has been more hit or miss in the past.

1120
00:37:53.040 --> 00:37:56.760
As Prime said, like, you know, they kind of have been trying to fix that a bit, but not

1121
00:37:56.760 --> 00:37:58.600
very hard in my opinion.

1122
00:37:58.600 --> 00:38:00.880
So I would just in general, I just wouldn't do it.

1123
00:38:00.880 --> 00:38:01.880
Yeah.

1124
00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:02.880
Yeah.

1125
00:38:02.880 --> 00:38:05.880
And as an owner and AMD stock, I love hearing all this AMD.

1126
00:38:05.880 --> 00:38:06.880
Yeah.

1127
00:38:06.880 --> 00:38:15.880
I mean, as an owner of Nvidia, I mean, as an owner of AMD.

1128
00:38:15.880 --> 00:38:19.040
Yeah, I own a little bit of AMD.

1129
00:38:19.040 --> 00:38:20.040
It's a fraction.

1130
00:38:20.040 --> 00:38:21.040
It's a fraction.

1131
00:38:21.040 --> 00:38:22.040
It's a fraction.

1132
00:38:22.040 --> 00:38:23.040
It's a fraction.

1133
00:38:23.040 --> 00:38:24.040
Okay.

1134
00:38:24.040 --> 00:38:25.040
It's a fraction.

1135
00:38:25.040 --> 00:38:29.920
So the market is here and the primeogen is just one room below.

1136
00:38:29.920 --> 00:38:30.920
They want my vote.

1137
00:38:30.920 --> 00:38:31.920
Okay.

1138
00:38:31.920 --> 00:38:33.240
They come and talk to me about voting rights.

1139
00:38:33.240 --> 00:38:34.240
All right.

1140
00:38:34.240 --> 00:38:44.160
I do have to do a negative review for ThinkPad because they did hang up on me on customer

1141
00:38:44.160 --> 00:38:45.160
service.

1142
00:38:45.160 --> 00:38:48.480
I personally would never go Lenovo personally, I'll never do them again.

1143
00:38:48.480 --> 00:38:49.480
Okay.

1144
00:38:49.480 --> 00:38:50.480
I do think framework.

1145
00:38:50.480 --> 00:38:51.480
Streams.

1146
00:38:51.480 --> 00:38:52.480
Streams.

1147
00:38:52.480 --> 00:38:53.480
Streams.

1148
00:38:53.480 --> 00:38:54.480
Streams.

1149
00:38:54.480 --> 00:38:55.480
Streams.

1150
00:38:55.480 --> 00:38:56.480
Streams.

1151
00:38:56.480 --> 00:38:57.480
Streams.

1152
00:38:57.480 --> 00:38:58.480
Streams.

1153
00:38:58.480 --> 00:38:59.480
Streams.

1154
00:38:59.480 --> 00:39:00.480
Streams.

1155
00:39:00.480 --> 00:39:01.480
Streams.

1156
00:39:01.480 --> 00:39:02.480
Streams.

1157
00:39:02.480 --> 00:39:03.480
Streams.

1158
00:39:03.480 --> 00:39:05.720
I had pleasant experiences on all of them.

1159
00:39:05.720 --> 00:39:06.720
Yeah.

1160
00:39:06.720 --> 00:39:13.400
I'm not suggesting that they're good, but I would say we have Lenovo's here and Linux runs

1161
00:39:13.400 --> 00:39:14.400
just fine on them.

1162
00:39:14.400 --> 00:39:15.400
AMD.

1163
00:39:15.400 --> 00:39:16.400
Linux.

1164
00:39:16.400 --> 00:39:17.400
Yeah.

1165
00:39:17.400 --> 00:39:25.280
Like the AMD integrated like Zenfors and stuff like that.

1166
00:39:25.280 --> 00:39:30.760
All runs Linux just great on Lenovo's, but you know, again, that's not saying that they're

1167
00:39:30.760 --> 00:39:31.760
good machines or anything.

1168
00:39:31.760 --> 00:39:35.360
I'm just saying that Linux doesn't have problems with it.

1169
00:39:35.360 --> 00:39:36.360
Yeah.

1170
00:39:36.360 --> 00:39:37.360
Yeah.

1171
00:39:37.360 --> 00:39:38.360
Trash, I'll just throw out there too.

1172
00:39:38.360 --> 00:39:39.360
I do.

1173
00:39:39.360 --> 00:39:43.680
I mean, we can talk about it off stream so that you know that it's also real, but I love

1174
00:39:43.680 --> 00:39:44.680
this XPS.

1175
00:39:44.680 --> 00:39:46.000
That's awesome.

1176
00:39:46.000 --> 00:39:47.600
The battery life is so long.

1177
00:39:47.600 --> 00:39:49.280
People were recommending that as to live.

1178
00:39:49.280 --> 00:39:56.000
I literally fly from Rapid City to Miami without charging my device, having cursor open programming

1179
00:39:56.000 --> 00:40:00.760
in VIM, which takes like a cajillion LSP's from both of them and having like YouTube playing

1180
00:40:00.760 --> 00:40:01.760
this Monique.

1181
00:40:01.760 --> 00:40:05.840
So I somehow made it all the way through like six hours of flight on a Linux machine.

1182
00:40:05.840 --> 00:40:08.520
So that was an absolute incredible experience.

1183
00:40:08.520 --> 00:40:13.440
So I was saying this programming outside today, no Joe, I'll show you a picture after stream

1184
00:40:13.440 --> 00:40:17.120
trash because it has my feet and it's so chat can't see it.

1185
00:40:17.120 --> 00:40:19.120
So this is what I'm going to do.

1186
00:40:19.120 --> 00:40:21.000
What's I get my next machine?

1187
00:40:21.000 --> 00:40:24.560
I'm actually going to speed run more distros just because it's such a pain.

1188
00:40:24.560 --> 00:40:27.600
It's such a pain to get distros to work on this old Mac.

1189
00:40:27.600 --> 00:40:30.120
So I'm going to try Arch is going to be my next one.

1190
00:40:30.120 --> 00:40:31.120
So I'm going to try Arch.

1191
00:40:31.120 --> 00:40:34.400
I want to see like how complicated because everyone keeps saying it's like the ultimate

1192
00:40:34.400 --> 00:40:35.840
neck beard one.

1193
00:40:35.840 --> 00:40:38.120
So I just want to see like how difficult it is.

1194
00:40:38.120 --> 00:40:41.400
I'm going to try Nick's OS because my co-workers are all about Nick's OS.

1195
00:40:41.400 --> 00:40:42.400
Try it out.

1196
00:40:42.400 --> 00:40:43.400
And then I'm going to go back.

1197
00:40:43.400 --> 00:40:48.040
I think I really I'm going to actually end up setting up Fedora, but we'll see we'll

1198
00:40:48.040 --> 00:40:52.720
see more news for you, but I want to try a lot of the distros just to you know, get my

1199
00:40:52.720 --> 00:40:53.720
fee wet.

1200
00:40:54.080 --> 00:40:55.080
You know, I'm fine.

1201
00:40:55.080 --> 00:41:01.280
You can run into some issues like I here's a good one for artists, a lot of issues.

1202
00:41:01.280 --> 00:41:02.280
All right.

1203
00:41:02.280 --> 00:41:06.480
I was I I installed GDB yesterday on a car ride.

1204
00:41:06.480 --> 00:41:12.480
But then I couldn't run GDB because I had mismatching some some sort of lib SOs.

1205
00:41:12.480 --> 00:41:13.480
And so I had the update.

1206
00:41:13.480 --> 00:41:16.760
I had some things that I needed the update, but I didn't have enough bandwidth to update

1207
00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:18.480
like the whole machine.

1208
00:41:18.480 --> 00:41:21.280
And so then I just couldn't use GDB and just print after bugged my way through like

1209
00:41:21.280 --> 00:41:22.600
sometimes you run into those issues.

1210
00:41:22.600 --> 00:41:26.240
And I think that doesn't happen on Ubuntu because Ubuntu has like a fixed set of versions

1211
00:41:26.240 --> 00:41:29.200
if I'm not mistaken to where like they have like this is our release.

1212
00:41:29.200 --> 00:41:30.520
And so I think things just work together.

1213
00:41:30.520 --> 00:41:31.520
Okay.

1214
00:41:31.520 --> 00:41:32.520
You know better.

1215
00:41:32.520 --> 00:41:33.520
Right.

1216
00:41:33.520 --> 00:41:34.520
Yeah.

1217
00:41:34.520 --> 00:41:37.520
Pac-Man, S.Y.U. just was not was not in the cards for me because I was getting no internet.

1218
00:41:37.520 --> 00:41:38.520
One thing that could be trash.

1219
00:41:38.520 --> 00:41:43.880
So if you're not using yours in the car on your phone, hotspot, maybe you won't have

1220
00:41:43.880 --> 00:41:44.880
that issue.

1221
00:41:44.880 --> 00:41:46.360
He won't have that issue for that.

1222
00:41:46.360 --> 00:41:47.360
That is true.

1223
00:41:48.040 --> 00:41:50.920
The one thing that kind of threw me for Luke after I used like I think I used three

1224
00:41:50.920 --> 00:41:51.920
distors at this point.

1225
00:41:51.920 --> 00:41:55.680
We're just like the packages that were just available in them.

1226
00:41:55.680 --> 00:42:01.680
So like every two, which is like DBN uses what apt, DBN was like DNF or whatever, but

1227
00:42:01.680 --> 00:42:05.960
then I realized as I tried to install these packages between them, like one didn't exist

1228
00:42:05.960 --> 00:42:06.960
in this one.

1229
00:42:06.960 --> 00:42:11.920
And one is he just had to use like a different command like a snap or pack.

1230
00:42:11.920 --> 00:42:12.920
I can't remember.

1231
00:42:12.920 --> 00:42:13.920
Oh gosh.

1232
00:42:13.920 --> 00:42:15.920
Flat don't get flat pack or snap on that.

1233
00:42:15.920 --> 00:42:19.040
That's one thing is part about ours is you literally have everything.

1234
00:42:19.040 --> 00:42:23.840
Like I've almost never ran into something that I wasn't just like go put it in.

1235
00:42:23.840 --> 00:42:24.840
Paru.

1236
00:42:24.840 --> 00:42:25.840
Paru dash S.

1237
00:42:25.840 --> 00:42:26.840
Go get him.

1238
00:42:26.840 --> 00:42:27.840
It just like works.

1239
00:42:27.840 --> 00:42:33.600
So that's like one thing I just, I don't, it's kind of like MPM modules for me.

1240
00:42:33.600 --> 00:42:38.120
I'm just installing things and I don't even know what I'm doing, you know what I'm saying?

1241
00:42:38.120 --> 00:42:39.640
Linux is not great that way.

1242
00:42:39.640 --> 00:42:42.600
It's the one thing that I really dislike about it that I wish had been different, which

1243
00:42:42.600 --> 00:42:48.360
is that like there's litter in Linux, there has never been and probably never will be

1244
00:42:48.360 --> 00:42:54.240
a sense of here is how we distribute a binary reliably.

1245
00:42:54.240 --> 00:43:00.240
It just it simply does not exist like everything relies on this sort of upstream package management

1246
00:43:00.240 --> 00:43:03.760
or complete containerization kind of approach.

1247
00:43:03.760 --> 00:43:08.160
And they never really were like here's just an API that you write to and this will run

1248
00:43:08.160 --> 00:43:10.800
on all Linux's forever everywhere.

1249
00:43:10.800 --> 00:43:12.640
They just never did that.

1250
00:43:12.640 --> 00:43:18.640
And it's, you know, it's strictly user land like the Linux kernel API is actually like

1251
00:43:18.640 --> 00:43:19.640
very clear.

1252
00:43:19.640 --> 00:43:21.720
You can go look at it and it just is what it is.

1253
00:43:21.720 --> 00:43:27.800
So like, you know, technically a program written to just the Linux kernel probably could

1254
00:43:27.800 --> 00:43:31.240
run everywhere and for a very long time.

1255
00:43:31.240 --> 00:43:37.920
But like user land is just such a completely nightmarish thing that you end up having

1256
00:43:37.920 --> 00:43:43.280
to do a lot of work if you actually want to distribute a binary that just works everywhere

1257
00:43:43.280 --> 00:43:47.560
as opposed to going through this process of like everyone builds a package and you download

1258
00:43:47.560 --> 00:43:52.040
the package or everyone puts things in a giant container and then the container installs

1259
00:43:52.040 --> 00:43:55.600
and doesn't quite play nicely with things because that container has something and this

1260
00:43:55.600 --> 00:43:57.600
container also has a version of that thing.

1261
00:43:57.600 --> 00:43:59.240
And so you can't have the same one between them.

1262
00:43:59.240 --> 00:44:06.840
I'm like, it's just it that part is worse than Windows unfortunately and it probably isn't

1263
00:44:06.840 --> 00:44:07.840
going to get better.

1264
00:44:07.840 --> 00:44:10.360
It's the one sadness of Linux.

1265
00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:16.560
How close is App Image just like I have an arch computer that I'm running right now

1266
00:44:16.560 --> 00:44:21.280
and I've had like Ubuntu and sorry to say trash, pop OS, although I did change the

1267
00:44:21.280 --> 00:44:22.280
background.

1268
00:44:22.280 --> 00:44:26.760
I don't have absolutely well actually it was running awesome WM on it.

1269
00:44:26.760 --> 00:44:29.480
But anyways, that's fine.

1270
00:44:29.480 --> 00:44:34.080
But like App Image runs fine across both of them that I don't, is it like does that

1271
00:44:34.080 --> 00:44:37.640
solve the problem or no, I literally don't know what App Image why it works.

1272
00:44:37.640 --> 00:44:39.120
So I'm very uneducated.

1273
00:44:39.120 --> 00:44:40.640
I don't even know what that is.

1274
00:44:40.640 --> 00:44:43.960
Well, so you run it and you run it.

1275
00:44:43.960 --> 00:44:44.960
Right.

1276
00:44:44.960 --> 00:44:45.960
That's it.

1277
00:44:45.960 --> 00:44:52.440
Anything that can anything that like does effectively containerization in some way is a

1278
00:44:52.440 --> 00:44:55.360
quote unquote solution to this problem, right?

1279
00:44:55.360 --> 00:45:00.840
And the idea behind that is generally that like we're going to take all of the what would

1280
00:45:00.840 --> 00:45:04.160
have been user land dependencies of this thing.

1281
00:45:04.160 --> 00:45:08.520
You know, whatever the G-lib C was and whatever all the SOS were that it was using and like

1282
00:45:08.520 --> 00:45:12.960
all of that stuff, and we're just going to pretend that that is what it is running on,

1283
00:45:12.960 --> 00:45:13.960
right?

1284
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:14.960
Gotcha.

1285
00:45:14.960 --> 00:45:16.560
And there's a lot of ways that you can do that.

1286
00:45:16.560 --> 00:45:18.640
I mean, Docker is this as well, right?

1287
00:45:18.640 --> 00:45:20.120
Like that's what that was.

1288
00:45:20.120 --> 00:45:25.320
It was a template and there are many attempts to solve that problem.

1289
00:45:25.320 --> 00:45:30.960
But the problem is that that means that if there's anything like shared that you were

1290
00:45:30.960 --> 00:45:36.800
trying to have these two people do the same thing, like like I want you both to use this

1291
00:45:36.800 --> 00:45:39.480
config file or something, right?

1292
00:45:39.480 --> 00:45:42.600
It starts to be it's now that's like its own new thing.

1293
00:45:42.600 --> 00:45:45.720
It's like, okay, well, how's that going to get mapped and all of a sudden you're back

1294
00:45:45.720 --> 00:45:46.720
to the same problem.

1295
00:45:46.720 --> 00:45:50.920
It's like, oh, okay, now we have to make sure that like they're both using this kind of

1296
00:45:50.920 --> 00:45:53.520
config directory with this layout structure, right?

1297
00:45:53.520 --> 00:45:59.160
So there's like they just you can understand why this problem happened because it's it's

1298
00:45:59.160 --> 00:46:04.640
downstream of the fact that there's many people shipping user land, right?

1299
00:46:04.640 --> 00:46:05.640
Right.

1300
00:46:05.640 --> 00:46:09.800
So so it's like a strength and a weakness that come together.

1301
00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.560
The strength is that you can have lots of different people experimenting with how the

1302
00:46:13.560 --> 00:46:18.240
user land is structured and the idea is that maybe that is more fruitful because different,

1303
00:46:18.240 --> 00:46:21.440
you know, if if one of them fails, then we just don't care.

1304
00:46:21.440 --> 00:46:26.320
That goes away and we keep the ones that worked, right?

1305
00:46:26.320 --> 00:46:30.800
So it's not like it's all bad, but the problem is like it's still not quite like the only

1306
00:46:30.800 --> 00:46:38.760
coherent thing that people have gotten to in Linux for long term is containerization really.

1307
00:46:38.760 --> 00:46:43.160
And otherwise it's just this really, you know, and people, you know, who try to get really

1308
00:46:43.160 --> 00:46:44.160
creative with it.

1309
00:46:44.160 --> 00:46:47.520
Like I said, you can kind of try to do things where you're really just talking directly

1310
00:46:47.520 --> 00:46:53.560
to the like kernel system APIs and you try to like have very little dependency on the

1311
00:46:53.560 --> 00:46:54.560
user land stuff.

1312
00:46:54.560 --> 00:46:57.880
You can do that, but that's not how most things are built.

1313
00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:58.880
And it's also there.

1314
00:46:58.880 --> 00:46:59.880
It's got its own issues.

1315
00:46:59.880 --> 00:47:02.240
So just it's harder, right?

1316
00:47:02.240 --> 00:47:07.360
It's just harder and it would be better if it was to use Riko Mariani's phrase.

1317
00:47:07.360 --> 00:47:13.000
It would be better if it if someone, somehow someone succeeded at some point in getting

1318
00:47:13.000 --> 00:47:18.760
it user land to look more like a pit of success rather than a pit of failure, right?

1319
00:47:18.760 --> 00:47:22.880
To make it easy to just when I make something just by default.

1320
00:47:22.880 --> 00:47:26.080
If I just sit down and make something, the easiest thing to do is something that will

1321
00:47:26.080 --> 00:47:30.360
just work everywhere as a binary with no need for any special consideration and no need

1322
00:47:30.360 --> 00:47:33.160
for containerization and like it would just work.

1323
00:47:33.160 --> 00:47:35.080
But we haven't gotten there yet on Linux, right?

1324
00:47:35.080 --> 00:47:41.320
Whereas in general, like if you built something like on just a blank Win32 API, it actually

1325
00:47:41.320 --> 00:47:47.200
runs on every version of Windows generally speaking and Linux now, right?

1326
00:47:47.440 --> 00:47:51.920
You could write a Win32 binary and it will run on all Linux systems.

1327
00:47:51.920 --> 00:47:56.400
So that's kind of funny, but yeah, that's where we're at.

1328
00:47:56.400 --> 00:47:57.760
That hurts a little bit, Casey.

1329
00:47:57.760 --> 00:48:02.080
But it's true, because the Linux back and back people have done such a great job of

1330
00:48:02.080 --> 00:48:06.000
with wine and proton are so amazing that it just runs, right?

1331
00:48:06.000 --> 00:48:07.000
Sorry.

1332
00:48:07.000 --> 00:48:08.000
No, that meant it.

1333
00:48:08.000 --> 00:48:10.000
Quick question.

1334
00:48:10.000 --> 00:48:16.000
So one of the things I ran into was at least on the top of us repository, whatever you

1335
00:48:16.000 --> 00:48:20.720
want to call it, they had like an outdated version of something I wanted.

1336
00:48:20.720 --> 00:48:22.560
Like, what do you do in that scenario?

1337
00:48:22.560 --> 00:48:25.360
Do I just have to go build from source myself?

1338
00:48:25.360 --> 00:48:28.960
Is that like recommended or do I have to sit there and wait?

1339
00:48:28.960 --> 00:48:34.000
You can add a rep, you can add their repository if they have one is usually the recommended

1340
00:48:34.000 --> 00:48:35.000
approach.

1341
00:48:35.000 --> 00:48:40.440
So like if, if the people making the thing have a repository for your distro, you can add

1342
00:48:40.440 --> 00:48:44.960
that as a preferred package source, that's one way, right?

1343
00:48:44.960 --> 00:48:52.960
Because like in general, just like as a rule, Linux's, linases tend to have the following

1344
00:48:52.960 --> 00:48:54.200
structure.

1345
00:48:54.200 --> 00:49:00.440
There are a set of like blessed package repositories that are like the, the people who

1346
00:49:00.440 --> 00:49:06.080
maintain this distro like pop OS or whatever or Debian or whatever it is, right?

1347
00:49:06.080 --> 00:49:10.840
They maintain or any Debian sub like like Mint.

1348
00:49:10.840 --> 00:49:15.160
They have their kind of like, this is our package repository that when you run one of those

1349
00:49:15.160 --> 00:49:21.000
package managers, it talks to these blessed repositories and that's where it will get the

1350
00:49:21.000 --> 00:49:24.320
versions of the packages that you install, right?

1351
00:49:24.320 --> 00:49:29.800
But you can also add your own repositories to like supersede that.

1352
00:49:29.800 --> 00:49:36.400
So you can go like, oh, the people who make Hyperland, they put up their own repository

1353
00:49:36.400 --> 00:49:41.040
for my distro that has a newer build of the thing or whatever.

1354
00:49:41.040 --> 00:49:44.120
If they did that, you can just add that with one line.

1355
00:49:44.120 --> 00:49:48.880
You can say like, hey, whatever package manager I'm using, add this other repository.

1356
00:49:48.880 --> 00:49:52.680
And then when you say, I want to install Hyperland, it'll go, oh, there's a much newer version

1357
00:49:52.680 --> 00:49:55.680
of Hyperland that comes directly from the Hyperland repository, which you said I could

1358
00:49:55.680 --> 00:49:57.920
use now, I'll install that.

1359
00:49:57.920 --> 00:49:59.920
That's way one, right?

1360
00:49:59.920 --> 00:50:04.120
Like an alternative mirror for like NPM or something like how you can set up an internal

1361
00:50:04.120 --> 00:50:05.600
one for that.

1362
00:50:05.600 --> 00:50:09.440
So you can always look for that and it comes with the same risks as you would expect.

1363
00:50:09.440 --> 00:50:12.760
You're basically now trusting those people to have built buyers, but hey, previously

1364
00:50:12.760 --> 00:50:17.480
you were trusting a bunch of pop-up with people who definitely don't have an incredible security

1365
00:50:17.480 --> 00:50:20.080
team or something like that to provide you the packages.

1366
00:50:20.080 --> 00:50:23.680
So it's, you know, you have to assess the source to make sure that you don't think it's

1367
00:50:23.680 --> 00:50:26.560
any less trustworthy than where you were getting your packages before.

1368
00:50:26.560 --> 00:50:30.280
But as long as you've done that, you can add it and now it will just update automatically

1369
00:50:30.280 --> 00:50:34.360
and when you do your normal package manager commands, it will just look in that repository

1370
00:50:34.360 --> 00:50:35.360
automatically.

1371
00:50:35.360 --> 00:50:36.360
So you don't have to do anything else.

1372
00:50:36.360 --> 00:50:40.160
That's like the most automated way to get a more modern thing, right?

1373
00:50:40.160 --> 00:50:41.680
If they don't have that.

1374
00:50:41.680 --> 00:50:46.280
So if the place that you, you know, if the thing that you want doesn't happen to have that,

1375
00:50:46.280 --> 00:50:49.320
then yeah, then you're into like, okay, I've got to go look.

1376
00:50:49.320 --> 00:50:53.280
Do I want to get hub clone this thing and build it myself?

1377
00:50:53.280 --> 00:50:59.160
Do I want to look for a flat pack or an app image or like those kinds of things where

1378
00:50:59.160 --> 00:51:04.560
someone has pre-built it into like something that's designed to run containerized?

1379
00:51:04.560 --> 00:51:09.960
So it won't integrate as completely into my Linux distro as it might otherwise have

1380
00:51:09.960 --> 00:51:14.640
because it's not actually built for this distro, but I can run it in a containerized way

1381
00:51:14.640 --> 00:51:18.440
and maybe that's fine for whatever I'm doing, right?

1382
00:51:18.440 --> 00:51:19.440
Eh?

1383
00:51:19.440 --> 00:51:23.960
Yeah, like a trash like on for me.

1384
00:51:23.960 --> 00:51:30.200
I don't usually use the like cursor bin that's in the AUR like I just let it update itself

1385
00:51:30.200 --> 00:51:35.200
and it downloads a new app image and then like I can run that app image again so that

1386
00:51:35.200 --> 00:51:39.360
I don't have to wait for other pack for arched to update it.

1387
00:51:39.360 --> 00:51:44.200
And also sometimes I don't want to update my whole system just to update one dumb program

1388
00:51:44.200 --> 00:51:50.240
or like for NeoVim I would usually just like have a build folder locally on my computer

1389
00:51:50.240 --> 00:51:54.720
and then I would just run make pseudo make install and then it will just install whatever

1390
00:51:54.720 --> 00:51:57.240
version of NeoVim I currently wanted to have.

1391
00:51:57.240 --> 00:51:58.240
So like that.

1392
00:51:58.240 --> 00:52:03.680
Yeah, usually they have some like make script, some make files, something simple to like

1393
00:52:03.680 --> 00:52:09.800
build it for you and then it's like install some set of dependencies maybe or maybe they'll

1394
00:52:09.800 --> 00:52:15.240
have like an app image or something that will make it very, very easy to get the latest

1395
00:52:15.240 --> 00:52:16.240
one.

1396
00:52:16.240 --> 00:52:17.240
Got it.

1397
00:52:17.240 --> 00:52:18.240
It's a problem track.

1398
00:52:18.240 --> 00:52:22.840
It is like I was saying, like I say at the outset, if I had to say the number one problem

1399
00:52:22.840 --> 00:52:28.040
with Linux right now for the average user who you know isn't somebody who's maybe tech

1400
00:52:28.040 --> 00:52:32.760
savvy, it's this right because it's like you just can't distribute binaries or live

1401
00:52:32.760 --> 00:52:37.080
and everyone's it's one of those problems where you say it and Linux people say no, no,

1402
00:52:37.080 --> 00:52:41.360
no, it's like no, it is full stop like you it is not arguable.

1403
00:52:41.360 --> 00:52:46.240
It is harder to download binaries on Linux and other places and that's not really a criticism

1404
00:52:46.240 --> 00:52:51.960
of Linux because like I said, it comes from the fact that they're trying not to have one

1405
00:52:51.960 --> 00:52:54.160
uniform form user land.

1406
00:52:54.160 --> 00:52:59.400
They're trying to allow people to experiment and so there is a benefit to it, right?

1407
00:52:59.400 --> 00:53:02.800
Like like DHH could not have made a marchy, right?

1408
00:53:02.800 --> 00:53:05.040
If this had not been true, right?

1409
00:53:05.040 --> 00:53:08.880
And the same is true for all the other people who've made their distributions, Bazzite,

1410
00:53:08.880 --> 00:53:12.520
Linux Mint, pop OS, Nick sauce, whatever it is, right?

1411
00:53:12.520 --> 00:53:17.400
So the fact that we have all those things is because this was allowed, but the downside

1412
00:53:17.400 --> 00:53:21.600
of it is everyone made their own ideas about what it means to ship a binary as a result

1413
00:53:21.600 --> 00:53:23.760
and those things are not necessarily compatible.

1414
00:53:23.760 --> 00:53:28.040
They haven't necessarily even been compatible across revisions of the same thing because again,

1415
00:53:28.040 --> 00:53:33.040
it's like there is no hierarchy that saying this is how Linux should be.

1416
00:53:33.040 --> 00:53:38.520
The kernel says it has you know, Linus sitting there cracking the whip, he can sort of say

1417
00:53:38.520 --> 00:53:45.240
like we're not breaking this, like here is the API to the kernel, it must remain consistent,

1418
00:53:45.240 --> 00:53:46.840
never break, right?

1419
00:53:46.840 --> 00:53:50.560
And that's been pretty like that layer of Linux has not had this problem, but the user

1420
00:53:50.560 --> 00:53:51.560
land stuff has.

1421
00:53:51.560 --> 00:53:53.240
And so that's just how it is.

1422
00:53:53.240 --> 00:53:59.840
And until someone can politically solve that problem somehow, political plus technologically

1423
00:53:59.840 --> 00:54:03.200
solve that problem, it's going to remain a sticking point probably.

1424
00:54:03.200 --> 00:54:09.760
Obviously, answer casey is just right when 32 application and then just let proton handle

1425
00:54:09.760 --> 00:54:10.760
it.

1426
00:54:10.760 --> 00:54:12.440
The other thing is the browser, right?

1427
00:54:12.440 --> 00:54:15.280
A lot of people use a lot of web apps now.

1428
00:54:15.280 --> 00:54:21.440
They they use like stuff in the browser and the browser is its own way that this gets

1429
00:54:21.440 --> 00:54:22.440
solved, right?

1430
00:54:22.440 --> 00:54:25.360
It's this separate substrate that everyone programs to.

1431
00:54:25.360 --> 00:54:27.760
It's exactly like when 32 in that respect.

1432
00:54:27.760 --> 00:54:33.160
So there's two places that you can go to get like stable Linux distribution.

1433
00:54:33.160 --> 00:54:36.200
One is with 32, right?

1434
00:54:36.200 --> 00:54:41.520
And the other is the browser and both of those things will work.

1435
00:54:41.520 --> 00:54:46.120
The part that doesn't work so well is if you actually want Linux native and there you're

1436
00:54:46.120 --> 00:54:50.920
kind of stuck in this like containerization land or being very, very careful about like

1437
00:54:50.920 --> 00:54:55.880
using only kernel stuff and having your own back and pat baked into how you communicate

1438
00:54:55.880 --> 00:54:56.880
across those channels.

1439
00:54:56.880 --> 00:54:58.880
And it's just it's not great.

1440
00:54:58.880 --> 00:54:59.880
It's not great.

1441
00:54:59.880 --> 00:55:04.800
Yeah, but I feel like honestly, I mean like my wife uses a Chromebook like she could use

1442
00:55:04.800 --> 00:55:05.800
that.

1443
00:55:05.800 --> 00:55:08.240
Yeah, she could use my Linux computer because she's opens up Chrome.

1444
00:55:08.240 --> 00:55:09.240
That's all she needs anyway.

1445
00:55:09.240 --> 00:55:12.840
So it's like it would be just fine like that's all she uses a computer for.

1446
00:55:12.840 --> 00:55:18.120
For a lot of work that is, you know, web based like that, then then this is just not an

1447
00:55:18.120 --> 00:55:19.120
issue, right?

1448
00:55:19.120 --> 00:55:26.080
Because the browser will, you know, Google and Firefox, they they always keep an updated

1449
00:55:26.080 --> 00:55:28.200
browser for basically every distro.

1450
00:55:28.200 --> 00:55:30.520
So you're going to have that, right?

1451
00:55:30.520 --> 00:55:35.200
And so if the all if most of your stack that you use every day just runs in the browser,

1452
00:55:35.200 --> 00:55:36.200
you're good to go.

1453
00:55:36.200 --> 00:55:41.320
So what you're telling me is that the famous talk by destroy software Gary Bernhardt with

1454
00:55:41.320 --> 00:55:49.560
metal where eventually the VM for or eventually the kernel becomes just a VM for JavaScript

1455
00:55:49.560 --> 00:55:54.640
is really the ultimate goal here where we all don't have to think about a management

1456
00:55:54.640 --> 00:55:55.760
of any kind.

1457
00:55:55.760 --> 00:55:57.400
There is no sandboxing.

1458
00:55:57.400 --> 00:56:00.880
Everything's already pre sandboxed just all runs like that's actually truly the ultimate

1459
00:56:00.880 --> 00:56:01.880
answer.

1460
00:56:01.880 --> 00:56:06.160
I mean, it's I guess I'm not sure if it's the ultimate answer, but what I'm saying is

1461
00:56:06.160 --> 00:56:12.920
just that there are substrates that have persisted when 32 and the browser are two of them.

1462
00:56:12.920 --> 00:56:18.960
And Linux has not yet managed to produce one other than the kernel API, right?

1463
00:56:18.960 --> 00:56:23.560
And so that's just where we're at to be completely frank, neither has Mac.

1464
00:56:23.560 --> 00:56:27.080
Mac is very bad at this as well.

1465
00:56:27.080 --> 00:56:31.460
You know, you don't really want to be in a position of having to ship stable binaries

1466
00:56:31.460 --> 00:56:35.520
on a Mac cause they're like, they break by default, they're like, oh, did you get that

1467
00:56:35.520 --> 00:56:38.840
notarized for this platform or whatever, right?

1468
00:56:38.840 --> 00:56:40.840
Is a thing they've stuck in that process, right?

1469
00:56:40.840 --> 00:56:47.600
So they're not designed, they are not trying to make this thing that's designed to have

1470
00:56:47.600 --> 00:56:50.760
things run forever and all that, right?

1471
00:56:50.760 --> 00:56:56.400
And 32 kind of was and has been maintained in that way, win 32 specifically, not some

1472
00:56:56.400 --> 00:56:57.880
of their newer stuff, for example, right?

1473
00:56:57.880 --> 00:57:00.560
Does win 32 run 64-bit applications?

1474
00:57:00.560 --> 00:57:02.360
Is that like a hold back of its naming?

1475
00:57:02.360 --> 00:57:03.360
But is it?

1476
00:57:03.360 --> 00:57:07.880
Yeah, I mean, you can call it win 64 if you want, but I'm talking about the win 32 API

1477
00:57:07.880 --> 00:57:10.880
that then got pulled forward into it to secure for a bit.

1478
00:57:10.880 --> 00:57:14.920
A favorite gaming system, KZ win 64.

1479
00:57:14.920 --> 00:57:19.600
Because the reason I usually say win 32 instead of win 64 is because they've added a bunch

1480
00:57:19.600 --> 00:57:23.320
of APIs since then and none of those are reliable, right?

1481
00:57:23.320 --> 00:57:27.720
Like all the new stuff forget it, you know, and fun.

1482
00:57:27.720 --> 00:57:30.000
So I don't know that you want to go that route.

1483
00:57:30.000 --> 00:57:36.240
But the older stuff is very reliable and very sort of universal.

1484
00:57:36.240 --> 00:57:41.280
You can run, you know, a thing that uses the win 32 API is compiled as a 64-bit binary.

1485
00:57:41.280 --> 00:57:42.280
We'll run base everywhere.

1486
00:57:42.280 --> 00:57:48.400
I've had, you know, examples like, I have a bunch of tools that I build that I use on

1487
00:57:48.400 --> 00:57:52.240
my Windows development machine and I was like, oh, I got to port these to Linux.

1488
00:57:52.240 --> 00:57:53.240
No, I didn't.

1489
00:57:53.240 --> 00:57:56.960
I literally just ran them and underwine and I could not tell the difference.

1490
00:57:56.960 --> 00:58:03.440
It was just seamless and I was like, wow, this has gotten really, really good, right?

1491
00:58:03.440 --> 00:58:11.000
So it really is true that, you know, as long as you're doing a same win 32 app, you can

1492
00:58:11.000 --> 00:58:13.800
run that on Linux now and it just works.

1493
00:58:13.800 --> 00:58:16.640
So fun, fun little side story on win 32.

1494
00:58:16.640 --> 00:58:21.040
One of the first things I ever attempted to learn and build was building my own multiplayer

1495
00:58:21.040 --> 00:58:26.920
programming in FPS, DirectX 8, which I later discovered that many security flaws.

1496
00:58:26.920 --> 00:58:32.880
But a good like 10% of the book was starting a win 32 window.

1497
00:58:32.880 --> 00:58:39.560
I am very, it takes a lot of lines of code in my, in my, in my memory of really of just

1498
00:58:39.560 --> 00:58:44.800
like, it's like 400, 500 lines of code just to get like the window to show if I remember

1499
00:58:44.800 --> 00:58:45.800
correctly.

1500
00:58:46.160 --> 00:58:52.640
It was a, it was a real process, it's probably a hundred, maybe, maybe 75, let's say.

1501
00:58:52.640 --> 00:58:53.640
Okay.

1502
00:58:53.640 --> 00:58:57.280
I mean, this, they probably had a lot of stuff in there that wasn't necessary.

1503
00:58:57.280 --> 00:59:02.320
Not, not, not my, not my time, not, is that include DirectX 8?

1504
00:59:02.320 --> 00:59:03.320
Start up though.

1505
00:59:03.320 --> 00:59:08.920
Yeah, that was part of some DirectX 8 handling, which by the way, that adds on ironically,

1506
00:59:08.920 --> 00:59:11.000
this part of my hand started hurting because of DirectX.

1507
00:59:11.040 --> 00:59:17.160
I had to quit, I had to quit my dreams of an aspiring game programmer because DirectX

1508
00:59:17.160 --> 00:59:19.000
was so many capital letters.

1509
00:59:19.000 --> 00:59:21.400
I started developing a problem with my wrist.

1510
00:59:21.400 --> 00:59:24.760
I thought, I can't, I can't do DirectX like it, it's going to kill me.

1511
00:59:25.960 --> 00:59:32.040
Yeah, DirectX 8, I don't remember the startup code for that, but DirectX 11 now, which

1512
00:59:32.040 --> 00:59:39.760
would be the standard thing you'd write to, if you didn't want to go 12, it's a, it's

1513
00:59:39.760 --> 00:59:40.760
really not that many.

1514
00:59:40.760 --> 00:59:45.280
I mean, maybe, maybe it's 150, if you wanted something reasonable, it's, it's actually

1515
00:59:45.280 --> 00:59:46.480
not much.

1516
00:59:46.480 --> 00:59:51.640
It's not like Vulcan or, it's not double pointer, all capital letters and have, everything

1517
00:59:51.640 --> 00:59:53.600
happens to be 30 to 50 characters long.

1518
00:59:53.600 --> 00:59:59.120
Well, that's true, but there's not very many lines of it, you don't have to do very many

1519
00:59:59.120 --> 01:00:00.120
things.

1520
01:00:00.120 --> 01:00:01.120
Okay.

1521
01:00:01.120 --> 01:00:02.120
Let's put it that way.

1522
01:00:02.120 --> 01:00:03.120
Yeah.

1523
01:00:03.120 --> 01:00:05.640
I was going to say, yeah, I can write that for you, Prime.

1524
01:00:05.640 --> 01:00:07.240
You can save your little pinkie for later.

1525
01:00:08.240 --> 01:00:09.240
Well, well, pinkie.

1526
01:00:09.240 --> 01:00:13.320
Yeah, because even back then, I didn't like using the caps lock key, but now I understand

1527
01:00:13.320 --> 01:00:14.320
why.

1528
01:00:14.320 --> 01:00:15.320
Okay.

1529
01:00:15.320 --> 01:00:16.320
Well, this has been enlightening, Trash.

1530
01:00:16.320 --> 01:00:17.320
I really want to congratulate Trash.

1531
01:00:17.320 --> 01:00:18.320
I'm quite the deep dive.

1532
01:00:18.320 --> 01:00:25.720
Honestly, Trash, can people get your district, like, have you put this up, you had to get

1533
01:00:25.720 --> 01:00:26.720
up there?

1534
01:00:26.720 --> 01:00:27.720
Yeah, sure did.

1535
01:00:27.720 --> 01:00:28.720
I posted it in the chat.

1536
01:00:28.720 --> 01:00:29.720
Yeah.

1537
01:00:29.720 --> 01:00:33.280
I started it because I think, I think everyone needs to know how to get this, if they want

1538
01:00:33.280 --> 01:00:36.640
to, if they want to be, like, Trash and have, like, wife who's on the desktop and all

1539
01:00:36.640 --> 01:00:37.640
that stuff.

1540
01:00:37.640 --> 01:00:38.640
Right.

1541
01:00:38.640 --> 01:00:39.640
Everyone has an adult on the desktop.

1542
01:00:39.640 --> 01:00:40.640
There you go.

1543
01:00:40.640 --> 01:00:41.640
They're an adult.

1544
01:00:41.640 --> 01:00:42.640
Yeah.

1545
01:00:42.640 --> 01:00:43.640
This is an adult.

1546
01:00:43.640 --> 01:00:44.640
There's none of these rocket ships.

1547
01:00:44.640 --> 01:00:45.640
And a wife on the desktop, like an adult.

1548
01:00:45.640 --> 01:00:46.640
Yeah.

1549
01:00:46.640 --> 01:00:49.960
Like foes, like foos on the desktop, not a wife on the desktop.

1550
01:00:49.960 --> 01:00:50.960
Right.

1551
01:00:50.960 --> 01:00:57.360
No, I mean, I'm interested to see, when I try to port this to a new machine, how that works

1552
01:00:57.360 --> 01:00:58.360
out.

1553
01:00:58.360 --> 01:01:02.480
And then also just how it's going to work with, like, arch and if you're also hyperland

1554
01:01:02.480 --> 01:01:05.840
based in a lot of the hyperland problems, you're going to probably have very little.

1555
01:01:05.840 --> 01:01:07.440
My guess is you'll have very little problems.

1556
01:01:07.440 --> 01:01:08.640
So, okay, here's my question.

1557
01:01:08.640 --> 01:01:13.360
So if I switch distros and I just decide to use hyperland on all of them, is there really

1558
01:01:13.360 --> 01:01:16.200
a difference in the experience I'm going to get?

1559
01:01:16.200 --> 01:01:17.200
Package manager.

1560
01:01:17.200 --> 01:01:18.200
That's it.

1561
01:01:18.200 --> 01:01:19.200
Yeah.

1562
01:01:19.200 --> 01:01:20.200
That's a big one.

1563
01:01:20.200 --> 01:01:21.200
Yeah.

1564
01:01:21.200 --> 01:01:24.840
So, like, which packages are available and how recent are they and how, how is the,

1565
01:01:24.840 --> 01:01:29.920
how is the underlying, like, config setup, like, oh, like, what's, how is slashvar and

1566
01:01:30.920 --> 01:01:31.920
stuff?

1567
01:01:31.920 --> 01:01:32.920
Like, how are these, like, set up?

1568
01:01:32.920 --> 01:01:34.480
I mean, which you may or may not care about, right?

1569
01:01:34.480 --> 01:01:35.480
Right.

1570
01:01:35.480 --> 01:01:38.440
I've had very little interaction with slashvar and slash at sea in my day.

1571
01:01:38.440 --> 01:01:42.640
Like, only when I was having to really think about, like, LDD and then figuring out what

1572
01:01:42.640 --> 01:01:47.560
the hex running with the, the TV app, that's the only time I ever had to, like, concern

1573
01:01:47.560 --> 01:01:52.920
myself with, because I just, you know, especially with Odin, it's all together.

1574
01:01:52.920 --> 01:01:55.920
Like, I've never, you don't, you don't even think about any of it.

1575
01:01:55.920 --> 01:02:00.480
So then here's my next question with my only reason to switch distros is really just

1576
01:02:00.480 --> 01:02:03.000
for the package manager at this point.

1577
01:02:03.000 --> 01:02:07.520
And we'll end the out of box install experience is actually non negligible big one.

1578
01:02:07.520 --> 01:02:13.000
So at least for me, like, in the old days, I used to install Ubuntu a lot, even though

1579
01:02:13.000 --> 01:02:17.920
I strongly disliked actual Ubuntu, just because it was one of the few things that you

1580
01:02:17.920 --> 01:02:22.440
could reliably install on, like, a laptop and it actually worked out of the box without

1581
01:02:22.440 --> 01:02:28.000
you having to be some kind of a, a, a kernel whisper, like, you know, add and grow,

1582
01:02:28.000 --> 01:02:29.000
right?

1583
01:02:29.000 --> 01:02:30.000
Add and kernel.

1584
01:02:30.000 --> 01:02:34.000
I got hit with a grub menu and I just lost it and I was like, I don't even know what

1585
01:02:34.000 --> 01:02:35.000
to do.

1586
01:02:35.000 --> 01:02:37.760
It was like, the screen was black and I was just like, smacking my keyboard, I was just

1587
01:02:37.760 --> 01:02:38.760
like, what's happening?

1588
01:02:38.760 --> 01:02:39.760
Yeah.

1589
01:02:39.760 --> 01:02:42.080
And so, like, in the old days, if I was like, I don't want to deal with this, you know,

1590
01:02:42.080 --> 01:02:45.280
I would probably install Ubuntu on something just because I knew it would work the first

1591
01:02:45.280 --> 01:02:46.280
time, right?

1592
01:02:46.280 --> 01:02:49.280
And I wouldn't have to like, actually go figure anything out.

1593
01:02:49.280 --> 01:02:51.800
But nowadays, the same thing is true.

1594
01:02:51.800 --> 01:02:53.920
It's just not Ubuntu necessarily, right?

1595
01:02:53.920 --> 01:02:59.720
Like, there are definitely distros that I find are more reliable out of the box or whatever.

1596
01:02:59.720 --> 01:03:05.480
And so, like, that is a meaningful differentiator, at least for people who don't want, like,

1597
01:03:05.480 --> 01:03:09.440
if what you're trying to do is just install this machine as quickly as possible and you're

1598
01:03:09.440 --> 01:03:14.840
not like here for the experience, right, then that's a, that's a thing that you would

1599
01:03:14.840 --> 01:03:15.840
care about, right?

1600
01:03:15.840 --> 01:03:22.400
Like, you found, I'm guessing that four MacBooks, specifically, right?

1601
01:03:22.400 --> 01:03:27.640
Four MacBooks, there are probably certain distros that install much cleaner because they've

1602
01:03:27.640 --> 01:03:32.280
been tested on that and they include the drivers by default that are specific to Mac, whereas

1603
01:03:32.280 --> 01:03:35.800
a lot of distros probably don't because they don't care about Mac because it's a closed

1604
01:03:35.800 --> 01:03:37.280
platform, right?

1605
01:03:37.280 --> 01:03:40.880
And so, my guess is that that was sort of what you encountered there.

1606
01:03:40.880 --> 01:03:45.320
Like most of the time, a Fedora install will just work on most PCs.

1607
01:03:45.320 --> 01:03:52.280
Like it's pretty reliable now, I've found, but like, yeah, MacOS, I had a similar experience

1608
01:03:52.280 --> 01:03:57.440
to you when I wanted to put Linux on a Microsoft surface, right?

1609
01:03:57.440 --> 01:04:01.480
You know, Bazite, for example, which normally would install on a gaming machine, no problem.

1610
01:04:01.480 --> 01:04:04.960
You just run it and installs, can't run on a Microsoft surface.

1611
01:04:04.960 --> 01:04:12.720
So, I think I used a Fedora, don't remember which, which subflavor plasma, I think, right?

1612
01:04:12.720 --> 01:04:16.240
You know, you can, they're the same, basically, but you can pick what your default is.

1613
01:04:16.240 --> 01:04:21.440
But anyway, so I think I installed a flavor of Fedora on it and that worked out of the box.

1614
01:04:21.440 --> 01:04:25.520
And then I had to do some things to like get it running on the surface correctly, like,

1615
01:04:25.520 --> 01:04:30.240
you know, to have it respond to, like, touch correctly and whatever, but, you know, that's

1616
01:04:30.240 --> 01:04:31.600
how that goes.

1617
01:04:31.600 --> 01:04:36.600
You, I think nowadays, if you were on something like a System76 or a framework computer,

1618
01:04:36.600 --> 01:04:40.880
I bet you could pretty much have the same experience with anything, right?

1619
01:04:40.960 --> 01:04:46.640
Yeah, when we, when we installed Omachi, it was like, I've done it a couple of times on my

1620
01:04:47.360 --> 01:04:53.360
framework one. I can go from, like, the installation process on a laptop to three minutes

1621
01:04:53.360 --> 01:04:57.600
to the login screen to one more minute to have Wi-Fi and everything up and running.

1622
01:04:57.600 --> 01:05:00.240
It's, I mean, it's, it's pretty outrageously quick.

1623
01:05:00.240 --> 01:05:01.520
Yeah.

1624
01:05:01.520 --> 01:05:04.080
When you're installing, are you guys using USB drives?

1625
01:05:04.080 --> 01:05:06.240
Or are you just like, USB drives?

1626
01:05:06.400 --> 01:05:07.760
I don't know.

1627
01:05:08.320 --> 01:05:10.800
I don't order one out. How do you USB drive in years?

1628
01:05:10.800 --> 01:05:13.040
How to go Amazon Prime that real quick?

1629
01:05:13.680 --> 01:05:16.720
Okay. Yes. Got to put it on a USB flash.

1630
01:05:17.360 --> 01:05:21.120
And then you got to put a little sticky note on there that just says, like, arch or something.

1631
01:05:21.120 --> 01:05:24.560
And that's why you always have your arch one hand and carry it around with you.

1632
01:05:24.560 --> 01:05:25.760
You think that's cheaper?

1633
01:05:25.760 --> 01:05:26.720
Yeah.

1634
01:05:26.720 --> 01:05:28.960
No, you want to put the latest ISO again.

1635
01:05:28.960 --> 01:05:30.880
In my experience, it doesn't take that long.

1636
01:05:30.880 --> 01:05:35.040
Just get the latest ISO again. It'll have better, it'll have better drivers.

1637
01:05:35.840 --> 01:05:40.160
If I'm going to go, I'm not going to go say, I'm going to install the three-year-old Linux

1638
01:05:40.160 --> 01:05:42.000
on this bad boy. I got to get it fresh, man.

1639
01:05:42.640 --> 01:05:46.400
Well, it actually does matter, too, because, like, a lot of times,

1640
01:05:47.120 --> 01:05:50.080
and I've never actually gone and looked at the specifics of this.

1641
01:05:50.080 --> 01:05:58.320
But a lot of times there is this sort of compatibility creep that happens where

1642
01:05:58.400 --> 01:06:06.240
the new Strix Halo processor or whatever cannot be booted up in the same way,

1643
01:06:07.040 --> 01:06:11.120
or if you did, you wouldn't get video or whatever as the old one.

1644
01:06:11.920 --> 01:06:17.840
So if you don't get the new ISO from Fedora or whatever that was updated as of now,

1645
01:06:17.840 --> 01:06:21.280
sometimes even the beta, right, if you're really new to this processor,

1646
01:06:21.280 --> 01:06:24.320
that it just doesn't have the support for that thing.

1647
01:06:24.320 --> 01:06:29.600
And this would be true on Windows as well. It needs to download drivers that will actually

1648
01:06:29.600 --> 01:06:33.840
start this thing, right? And so you do sometimes have to make sure that your installation

1649
01:06:33.840 --> 01:06:38.720
media is up to date, sometimes even beta up to date, if you have a processor that just came out,

1650
01:06:39.440 --> 01:06:43.520
because unfortunately, they have different ways that they're going to boot.

1651
01:06:43.520 --> 01:06:47.760
And when it goes to try and put it into a graphical mode, that might just fail,

1652
01:06:48.800 --> 01:06:52.240
if you don't have the latest thing, because the integrated graphics part is different,

1653
01:06:52.240 --> 01:06:54.880
or whatever, like the memory aperture, it's different, like who knows, right?

1654
01:06:55.600 --> 01:07:00.800
So you do have to happen for us with the XPS, we had to get the latest tomachi for it,

1655
01:07:00.800 --> 01:07:05.040
because it had Panther Lake inside, and nobody had Panther Lake support.

1656
01:07:07.520 --> 01:07:10.480
It's the Intel Core. It's Intel Panthers.

1657
01:07:10.480 --> 01:07:14.080
It's good. It works. It's present time. It works every time.

1658
01:07:16.400 --> 01:07:21.360
No, it's Intel's latest, I think latest, right, chipset, and it has way better,

1659
01:07:21.360 --> 01:07:26.160
like battery performances, like it better power consumption, I don't really know, but it makes

1660
01:07:26.160 --> 01:07:30.720
a battery less a long time for me, so I like it. Apparently one of the big things is that

1661
01:07:30.720 --> 01:07:34.000
if you have like say video playing, this is why I specifically shot it on YouTube,

1662
01:07:34.000 --> 01:07:38.560
is you have like video playing on YouTube, and then you switch desktops and you go over to your

1663
01:07:38.560 --> 01:07:44.640
coding one. Also, you'll notice your wattage go way down, and apparently it has, I don't know,

1664
01:07:44.640 --> 01:07:48.160
something to do with that, I'm not really sure. I don't think that's a Panther Lake thing,

1665
01:07:48.160 --> 01:07:52.960
that's about, it just has options to do stuff now. I think it's some of the later headers that

1666
01:07:52.960 --> 01:07:56.960
came in also with that update, that you could do a bunch of reduction when things are on different

1667
01:07:56.960 --> 01:08:01.920
desktops. I don't know. The battery is good for me, so I like Panther Lake. It's all I know.

1668
01:08:01.920 --> 01:08:08.960
In modern Intel cores, look a lot like the M-Series cores. It's the way to think about it.

1669
01:08:08.960 --> 01:08:13.520
So you know how M-Series cores have like, they have Firestorm and Ice Storm.

1670
01:08:13.600 --> 01:08:18.640
Plastic. Absolutely. Right. I did not know that. That's all stuff. I have not even

1671
01:08:18.640 --> 01:08:25.440
what Firestorm and Ice Storm are just. That's a Pokemon move. Yeah, Trash is interested.

1672
01:08:25.440 --> 01:08:29.360
Finally, it's like his area of expertise. Finally, it's possible to get out or stand.

1673
01:08:31.040 --> 01:08:36.720
Okay, go, keep going, keep going. Sure, so if you think about an M-Series chip,

1674
01:08:36.720 --> 01:08:41.040
right, like the things that's in your modern Mac, I assume you have a new MacBook,

1675
01:08:41.040 --> 01:08:46.880
right? Trash somewhere or yeah, I got all the new new every single one.

1676
01:08:46.880 --> 01:08:52.560
He's got every year's in a show, right? Well, I mean, it's from work. It's like I got the new M-Fore.

1677
01:08:52.560 --> 01:08:58.800
There you go. M-Fore, right? So if you look at how an M-Fore chip is designed, it has two

1678
01:08:58.800 --> 01:09:03.600
different types of core. Well, it has, you know, there's a lot of things in an M-Series chip,

1679
01:09:03.600 --> 01:09:10.560
but two of the main CPU things in there are there's cores that are designed to run as fast as

1680
01:09:10.560 --> 01:09:17.840
possible, but at sort of like a more power cost. And then there's cores that are designed to run

1681
01:09:17.840 --> 01:09:23.520
like not as, that they won't get workloads done as quickly, but they'll use less power. So,

1682
01:09:23.520 --> 01:09:27.920
to really call these performance and efficiency cores is the terminology that's often adopted for

1683
01:09:27.920 --> 01:09:34.720
that, right? This is not a firestorm, okay? I star in firestorm are just like names they gave to

1684
01:09:34.720 --> 01:09:40.880
these core designs or whatever, right? But that's what they are for. And the, so one of the ways

1685
01:09:40.880 --> 01:09:47.280
that you can get much better battery life is if your operating system can correctly identify

1686
01:09:47.280 --> 01:09:53.440
something that can be moved onto efficiency cores so that it's not performing as well,

1687
01:09:54.160 --> 01:09:58.400
but maybe you didn't need it to because it's just YouTube streaming some music in the background

1688
01:09:58.400 --> 01:10:02.320
or whatever, right? So like we don't really care, like how responsive that is or whatever,

1689
01:10:02.320 --> 01:10:08.080
it's just got to get that that thing done, right? You can move that onto the efficiency cores,

1690
01:10:08.080 --> 01:10:13.040
you can make sure it's using the hardware decoder for whatever the video stream is or whatever it is,

1691
01:10:13.040 --> 01:10:16.240
you can just make sure that you're using the lowest power possible configuration,

1692
01:10:16.880 --> 01:10:22.720
and that's going to save you battery life, right? Intel modern Intel cores are exactly the same way.

1693
01:10:22.720 --> 01:10:29.360
They have segregated types of cores on them where they have cores that are designed to do really

1694
01:10:29.360 --> 01:10:33.680
heavy workloads, like if you're gaming and you want the fastest possible thing to happen,

1695
01:10:33.680 --> 01:10:39.120
you can run things on those cores, but they also have efficiency cores which use much less power,

1696
01:10:39.120 --> 01:10:45.120
but wouldn't be scores high in benchmarks, exactly like an M series chip. Okay. Got it. Got it.

1697
01:10:46.720 --> 01:10:52.800
And that's pretty neat. It's the new way things are being done. I'm imagining that we'll see

1698
01:10:52.800 --> 01:10:59.680
the same thing with Zen6. Zen5 already had this idea of Zen5 and Zen5c, although it was a slightly

1699
01:10:59.680 --> 01:11:05.840
different kind of thing, and I'm assuming that Zen6 will be all about we have, here's our Perfcore,

1700
01:11:05.840 --> 01:11:10.720
here's our efficiency core, they're going to do the same. Well, they introduce a Eurocore that only works

1701
01:11:10.720 --> 01:11:16.400
for like, you know, like 14 days a month, and then the other 16 days it takes off for very

1702
01:11:16.480 --> 01:11:21.840
holidays and things like that. Is that like an option or even better battery efficiency?

1703
01:11:23.200 --> 01:11:29.920
Yeah, you can load up the Eurocore, and basically what will happen is like some smoke starts coming

1704
01:11:29.920 --> 01:11:35.120
out of the PC, but not in a bad way, just like cigarette smoke comes out the fan, stem cigarette

1705
01:11:35.600 --> 01:11:41.680
and it's just like, you know, like, what is the point of this task? I don't want to do it.

1706
01:11:41.680 --> 01:11:49.440
I'm not even going to look at it until tomorrow. I don't see a more of like a mailbox kind of

1707
01:11:49.440 --> 01:11:55.600
situation, like you send it over the three weeks, and then like eventually they come back in office

1708
01:11:55.600 --> 01:11:58.800
and start answering. I understand where you're going. I don't know, I don't know if your

1709
01:11:58.960 --> 01:12:04.480
cores are coming. I'm not sure. That's a good question. Oh, that's so good. All right. Well,

1710
01:12:04.480 --> 01:12:09.680
hey, everybody, that has been the stand up. Thank you very much, Trash, for walking us through

1711
01:12:09.680 --> 01:12:13.920
Linux, Trash. I'm actually, I'm not going to lie to you. Your Linux looks better than mine,

1712
01:12:13.920 --> 01:12:19.520
and it does make me feel not as cool. I worked hard. I worked hard. It looks very, very good, and so it's

1713
01:12:19.520 --> 01:12:25.280
inspiring me to step up my VIM game again, make some cool stuff. So I appreciate the inspiration,

1714
01:12:25.280 --> 01:12:30.720
Trash, and I hope everybody enjoyed the world's most attended stand-up. So thank you, everybody,

1715
01:12:30.720 --> 01:12:38.000
for being a part of it. Thank you, Casey, computer-enhanced.com. Thank you, Teige. ThePrimogen.com. I'm not

1716
01:12:38.000 --> 01:12:48.320
really sure. You can find me at atbeganbot on x.com. If you're really angry at TJ, go check out

1717
01:12:48.320 --> 01:12:53.840
BiginBot at BiginBot. Give me your feedback. And of course, Trash. Thank you, Trash. We'll link

1718
01:12:53.840 --> 01:13:00.000
your, there's like a 20% chance we'll link your dot files repo in this video if we remember it. Do

1719
01:13:00.000 --> 01:13:05.040
it. Do it. The name you like Trash. They're not ready. They're not ready. They're not. Is the stand-up.

1720
01:13:05.040 --> 01:13:07.520
Thank you very much. Bye, everybody. Bye.