WEBVTT 1 00:00:04.540 --> 00:00:05.942 Let's make some lyrics. 2 00:00:06.162 --> 00:00:08.886 People call me Swede, like, I sample whatever I can. 3 00:00:08.946 --> 00:00:11.791 But I've been doing 20 years and I don't really know who I am. 4 00:00:12.031 --> 00:00:13.454 He really invited me on a podcast. 5 00:00:13.614 --> 00:00:15.497 I don't know if he was a fan, but... 6 00:00:15.537 --> 00:00:18.081 I'm not going to lie, I thought it was some kind of scam. 7 00:00:22.930 --> 00:00:36.518 I don't want to take the piss but can you make something out of this so I'll have a crack at it but it'll probably be utterly shit but I need to be creating something I'm not doing it I'm aspiring because it's like you're always chasing it's about a buzz of getting a viral 8 00:00:41.602 --> 00:00:42.903 Keeps the noggin in check. 9 00:00:43.043 --> 00:00:43.963 I'll always be doing it. 10 00:00:43.983 --> 00:00:45.505 I hope you'll buy a crook. 11 00:00:45.845 --> 00:00:47.246 Because it's out of my control now. 12 00:00:47.266 --> 00:00:48.086 It's like, fuck. 13 00:00:48.427 --> 00:00:49.287 The fuck I'm thinking? 14 00:00:49.307 --> 00:00:50.248 Shit, I can't finish this. 15 00:00:50.428 --> 00:00:51.569 I need to somehow wrap it up. 16 00:00:51.589 --> 00:00:53.551 So I just keep milking it, keep milking it. 17 00:00:53.571 --> 00:00:53.991 That's it. 18 00:00:54.011 --> 00:00:55.192 That's your little hook. 19 00:00:55.232 --> 00:00:59.675 Keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it. 20 00:00:59.775 --> 00:01:01.817 I'm making music, pissing out. 21 00:01:01.857 --> 00:01:05.820 Keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it. 22 00:01:05.920 --> 00:01:07.221 It's just a load of sound. 23 00:01:07.241 --> 00:01:10.063 Keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it, keep milking it. 24 00:01:12.951 --> 00:01:13.372 It's fun. 25 00:01:13.593 --> 00:01:14.796 I don't know. 26 00:01:14.896 --> 00:01:15.437 Can I now? 27 00:01:23.950 --> 00:01:25.490 So Chris, welcome to Half the Picture. 28 00:01:25.510 --> 00:01:26.351 How are you doing today, sir? 29 00:01:26.391 --> 00:01:27.031 I'm very good. 30 00:01:27.051 --> 00:01:27.611 I'm very good. 31 00:01:27.851 --> 00:01:29.151 Very good. 32 00:01:29.211 --> 00:01:29.631 Great. 33 00:01:29.711 --> 00:01:30.071 Great. 34 00:01:30.512 --> 00:01:30.952 Cracking. 35 00:01:31.092 --> 00:01:40.654 Well, it's a pleasure to have you on because for me personally, I've been a fan of yours ever since I saw MasterChef's Anesthesia, Buttery Biscuit Base, an absolute stone cold YouTube internet classic. 36 00:01:41.414 --> 00:01:44.735 The moment I saw that cross my phone, I've been a fan of yours. 37 00:01:45.155 --> 00:01:53.157 All the amazing videos you've done like Trump versus Talking Heads and Paul McCartney, Rabbit Hole, which is another personal favourite of mine, Song of Vanilla Ice and Fire. 38 00:01:53.637 --> 00:02:15.744 like you've done over the course of your sort of youtube making content career you've made so many great samples and remixes and tunes so it's a real pleasure to have you on the pod thanks for having me on like i was saying before like this is you know no one's ever invited me on a podcast so 15 years i've never been i suppose it exists like 15 years ago you know i mean this is like this is new to me so yeah thanks like uh 39 00:02:17.535 --> 00:02:19.076 Let's go, let's talk about it. 40 00:02:19.136 --> 00:02:19.997 Let's do it, yeah. 41 00:02:20.297 --> 00:02:22.539 Obviously, your YouTube handle is Swede Mason. 42 00:02:22.719 --> 00:02:22.939 Right. 43 00:02:22.979 --> 00:02:25.341 And do you prefer to go by Chris or by Swede Mason? 44 00:02:25.781 --> 00:02:26.862 Either, really. 45 00:02:26.902 --> 00:02:30.345 People call me Swede, like, just because it's been so long. 46 00:02:30.365 --> 00:02:33.347 I've been doing it, like, you know, I've been doing the YouTube stuff. 47 00:02:33.367 --> 00:02:35.629 God knows that that channel must be nearly 20 years old. 48 00:02:36.389 --> 00:02:40.052 But before that, I was doing stuff from when I was about 17. 49 00:02:40.072 --> 00:02:46.477 And, like, the name Swede Mason came from an episode of Renegade, which was a TV show that was on TV. 50 00:02:47.198 --> 00:02:52.943 It was on, like, you're too young for this, but ITV used to play, like, there used to be, like, a nighttime bit. 51 00:02:52.983 --> 00:02:58.368 Before it actually ended, they put, like, late-night shows on, and Renegade was one of them that happened to be on. 52 00:02:58.388 --> 00:03:03.132 Me and my mates would be smoking, you know, all that stuff. 53 00:03:03.172 --> 00:03:08.356 Come on, we're like, this is the funniest fucking program I've ever seen in my life. 54 00:03:08.637 --> 00:03:09.457 And that's where I got the name. 55 00:03:10.418 --> 00:03:14.762 An exit from one of the characters in that, the same guy who wrote The A-Team wrote, 56 00:03:15.287 --> 00:03:17.088 Renegade, as he calls Stephen Jay. 57 00:03:17.268 --> 00:03:19.390 I think it's Cannell. 58 00:03:19.610 --> 00:03:21.191 Yeah, so he came up with a name B.A. 59 00:03:21.211 --> 00:03:21.651 Bracus. 60 00:03:21.691 --> 00:03:23.192 He comes up with all his great names. 61 00:03:23.212 --> 00:03:23.532 Hannibal. 62 00:03:23.552 --> 00:03:24.313 Of course. 63 00:03:24.373 --> 00:03:25.213 He also came up with a name. 64 00:03:25.433 --> 00:03:26.334 Yeah, Murdoch. 65 00:03:26.494 --> 00:03:26.854 Murdoch. 66 00:03:27.034 --> 00:03:27.875 Yeah, of course. 67 00:03:27.915 --> 00:03:28.395 Howling Mad. 68 00:03:28.635 --> 00:03:31.457 Yeah, and he came up with a name Swede Mason, so I nicked it. 69 00:03:31.837 --> 00:03:32.698 Nice. 70 00:03:32.718 --> 00:03:33.879 So, yeah, it's been people. 71 00:03:34.479 --> 00:03:37.461 My gran calls me Swede, which is bizarre. 72 00:03:37.481 --> 00:03:38.402 It's like she's 96, so... 73 00:03:39.612 --> 00:03:40.913 You know, people call me sweet people. 74 00:03:40.933 --> 00:03:41.933 I don't mind either. 75 00:03:42.413 --> 00:03:43.294 So your gran was a fan? 76 00:03:43.574 --> 00:03:44.614 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 77 00:03:44.854 --> 00:03:51.357 I've got a little, she gave me a recipe for one of her meat pies that she makes, and it was dear Swede, my son. 78 00:03:51.377 --> 00:03:52.217 Yeah, so he made the pie. 79 00:03:52.478 --> 00:03:53.418 I was like, wow. 80 00:03:54.278 --> 00:03:56.339 So yeah, yeah, it's been, so either, really. 81 00:03:56.559 --> 00:03:58.220 It's been, yeah, it's been a long time. 82 00:03:58.520 --> 00:03:58.760 All right. 83 00:03:59.100 --> 00:04:00.501 I don't really know who I am, to be honest. 84 00:04:01.879 --> 00:04:03.259 Well, you're right, it has been a long time. 85 00:04:03.299 --> 00:04:16.982 I mean, when I was going back through, I went down a little Swede Mason rabbit hole, if I may, in the run-up to this chat, and you've been producing videos on YouTube and content, you could call it now, for coming on 18, 20 years, I want to say, right? 86 00:04:17.002 --> 00:04:18.762 18 years ago was the Philip Schofield on crack. 87 00:04:19.082 --> 00:04:19.342 Yes. 88 00:04:19.362 --> 00:04:19.862 The first video. 89 00:04:19.902 --> 00:04:20.702 You've done your research. 90 00:04:20.962 --> 00:04:22.703 Yeah, that was the first one, I want to say, right? 91 00:04:23.323 --> 00:04:27.444 It was the first one I put on YouTube, I think. 92 00:04:28.564 --> 00:04:29.664 Yeah, it's up to that point. 93 00:04:30.853 --> 00:04:32.614 I was just doing them with audio. 94 00:04:32.954 --> 00:04:38.036 And then I got a Mac Mini when I was about 26. 95 00:04:38.096 --> 00:04:40.737 But up to that point, I was just using hardware. 96 00:04:40.877 --> 00:04:43.578 So I was just connecting with MIDI cables. 97 00:04:43.618 --> 00:04:44.458 And then I got a Mac. 98 00:04:44.638 --> 00:04:49.980 And then on the Mac was a free program called iMovie. 99 00:04:50.600 --> 00:04:51.501 And I thought, why don't I just? 100 00:04:51.781 --> 00:04:56.222 So I already had Scovels on crack as a little tune, just with samples. 101 00:04:56.282 --> 00:05:00.284 And then I'm like, oh, why don't I re-sync the visuals to this? 102 00:05:01.593 --> 00:05:02.433 So I re-synced them. 103 00:05:03.334 --> 00:05:04.354 I was like, this works. 104 00:05:05.174 --> 00:05:06.755 Yeah, that's probably one of the first ones. 105 00:05:06.795 --> 00:05:10.296 I think that and Jungle All The Way was like the first ones that are re-synced. 106 00:05:10.956 --> 00:05:15.598 Put them on, I was saying, put them on beta and people saw it. 107 00:05:15.818 --> 00:05:19.459 But that video took down after about four days for my channel. 108 00:05:20.299 --> 00:05:21.660 It still exists somewhere on the internet, 109 00:05:22.735 --> 00:05:27.520 Yeah, after four days, someone... Back then, YouTube was quite tight on copyright. 110 00:05:28.081 --> 00:05:30.964 So you had, like, do you think you had three strikes and you were out? 111 00:05:30.984 --> 00:05:33.106 So the first week of doing it, I had, like, one strike. 112 00:05:33.126 --> 00:05:33.666 I was like, shit. 113 00:05:34.888 --> 00:05:35.629 He got tucked down. 114 00:05:35.729 --> 00:05:37.751 But yeah, that is one of the early ones. 115 00:05:37.771 --> 00:05:38.732 They were talking, like... 116 00:05:39.548 --> 00:05:59.159 2006 or something like that yeah the early days of youtube yeah the early early day it was a great youtube was it's totally different totally different beast now they've just followed the uh they followed the money which fair enough because i don't think it would survive you know in the early days it was creative stuff a lot of uh 117 00:06:00.621 --> 00:06:05.802 A lot of crazy, a lot of stuff was like, it wasn't being used how they intended it to be used, put it that way. 118 00:06:05.922 --> 00:06:07.963 It's used how they intended it to be used now. 119 00:06:08.523 --> 00:06:09.523 Now they've sussed it out. 120 00:06:09.543 --> 00:06:11.404 People are like, you know, it's massive. 121 00:06:11.904 --> 00:06:13.884 The YouTuber is a thing. 122 00:06:13.924 --> 00:06:21.546 It's like, but back then it was like, it was just people, for me, it was like I had all this stuff I wanted to put out. 123 00:06:22.086 --> 00:06:27.128 It just seemed like there was a whole, like load of people waiting, waiting for something to come out. 124 00:06:27.148 --> 00:06:29.108 And then as soon as there was a kind of, 125 00:06:30.635 --> 00:06:32.376 kind of platform for it. 126 00:06:32.416 --> 00:06:33.657 Everyone just uploaded the stuff. 127 00:06:34.398 --> 00:06:41.182 It was like set by, there was Siri, there was loads of people making, had been making stuff for years, but no one had heard of them. 128 00:06:41.723 --> 00:06:45.905 And it seemed like that, because I was doing it for years and I thought I was the only person, like who else? 129 00:06:46.806 --> 00:06:50.008 No one else must be doing this stuff, it's fucking mental. 130 00:06:50.548 --> 00:07:00.215 And then, yeah, the internet kind of, just like YouTube, just kind of, was just inundated with all these creative videos and like, 131 00:07:01.001 --> 00:07:02.323 It was fucking great. 132 00:07:02.404 --> 00:07:05.569 And, you know, it's not that like that anymore. 133 00:07:05.629 --> 00:07:09.937 There's still some stuff on there, but, like, still a few of us are still going, but... 134 00:07:11.112 --> 00:07:14.555 It's a completely different kettle of fish now, isn't it, really, if you think about it. 135 00:07:14.775 --> 00:07:15.035 Yeah. 136 00:07:15.275 --> 00:07:25.943 But then back when you were, as you were saying, like back when you started out, it was still a kind of virgin territory and loads of these sort of interesting characters, like, you know, Cassette Boy and yourself and all these different creators were kind of coming out of the woodwork. 137 00:07:26.063 --> 00:07:26.584 Yeah. 138 00:07:26.644 --> 00:07:32.849 And it was a space to create and get your work seen by just people who liked it and were fans of that kind of thing. 139 00:07:32.889 --> 00:07:34.310 And I did want to ask, like, 140 00:07:34.790 --> 00:07:39.694 When it came to those other creators around the same time as you, so people like Cassette Boy, were you familiar with them? 141 00:07:39.714 --> 00:07:40.895 Were you fans of their work? 142 00:07:41.135 --> 00:07:42.035 Did you know Cassette Boy? 143 00:07:42.476 --> 00:07:50.021 No, I didn't know him, but I knew of him before YouTube because he had a CD out called Parker Tapes. 144 00:07:51.863 --> 00:07:52.303 When was it? 145 00:07:53.563 --> 00:07:56.145 Yeah, I think my mate heard my music. 146 00:07:56.345 --> 00:08:00.807 When I moved to London, he went, oh, you're a bit like this guy, cassette boy. 147 00:08:00.827 --> 00:08:02.068 I'm like, I don't know who that is. 148 00:08:02.108 --> 00:08:03.589 He goes, oh, yeah, it's this, this. 149 00:08:03.649 --> 00:08:04.950 And he had the parker tapes. 150 00:08:05.210 --> 00:08:07.691 And I put it on and was like, oh, fucking hell, this is amazing. 151 00:08:07.711 --> 00:08:10.193 I was like, yes, there's another one out there. 152 00:08:10.913 --> 00:08:11.694 It was a bit Highlander. 153 00:08:11.714 --> 00:08:12.694 It's like, there can be only one. 154 00:08:12.714 --> 00:08:13.375 I was like, no. 155 00:08:14.095 --> 00:08:16.797 But then I realised there was tons of other people when I got on YouTube and was like... 156 00:08:17.197 --> 00:08:25.119 Me and Cacept by I've always been, since then I've met him a few times, but we've always been, my work, everyone always thinks my work is his work. 157 00:08:25.219 --> 00:08:34.680 Every time I put something up, not every time, but a lot of the times, it's quite similar, so everyone thinks he's done it, and every time he has to go, it's not me, it's this guy. 158 00:08:34.720 --> 00:08:40.081 I'm like, you know, it's my problem when branding, my branding has been utterly shit. 159 00:08:40.601 --> 00:08:43.002 I should have branded it better, but that's my bad. 160 00:08:44.259 --> 00:08:50.863 Well, but like your work and Cassette Boys, to me always, because I guess you two, Tim, in my mind at the time, were like the two big pillars of that scene. 161 00:08:51.163 --> 00:08:56.326 And I feel like your work always had, there was a kind of very British sense of humour to both of your guys' work. 162 00:08:56.346 --> 00:08:59.628 But there was, obviously yours was always, well, usually set to music. 163 00:09:00.129 --> 00:09:04.351 It wasn't just sampled for the sake of comedy or funny lines or sentences. 164 00:09:04.451 --> 00:09:05.632 There was always a tune behind it. 165 00:09:05.652 --> 00:09:06.733 There was an idea behind it. 166 00:09:07.293 --> 00:09:36.554 and it always came off and there was a kind of because obviously as you say you're from the north even though it's like you're using other people's material you can kind of feel that kind of humour in there I could anyway I feel when watching it back oh yeah so it's got you know I was into music like I was always in bands when I was from about 16 I'd been playing in bands like punk bands and what have you but I found them I can't sing basically so like I needed a I had all these ideas but 167 00:09:37.477 --> 00:09:39.038 and I couldn't get them out. 168 00:09:39.258 --> 00:09:41.678 So I'm like, I still wanted to make music. 169 00:09:41.698 --> 00:09:50.941 When I found sampling, I went to art college in York and there was a little second hand shop in York called Bulmers. 170 00:09:51.882 --> 00:09:56.963 And I used to walk past it every day, look in the windows, always like gear in there, like guitars and like pedals and what have you. 171 00:09:57.604 --> 00:10:01.965 And one day there was this little sampler in there, little Zoom sample, I've still got it. 172 00:10:04.088 --> 00:10:06.249 For some reason I thought I'm going to buy that, it was about 50 quid. 173 00:10:06.769 --> 00:10:09.290 I bought it, took it home, plugged it in. 174 00:10:10.090 --> 00:10:12.651 Within like five minutes I'd written a song on it. 175 00:10:13.351 --> 00:10:19.313 I sampled from the film Flash Garden, I sampled Peter Duncan's. 176 00:10:20.214 --> 00:10:26.476 Peter Duncan puts his hand in this, I don't know what, it's this alien thing that gets zapped by this little creature and he goes, spare me the madness. 177 00:10:27.196 --> 00:10:29.157 I sampled that and I just looped it. 178 00:10:29.680 --> 00:10:31.261 And that's the first song I made on it. 179 00:10:31.281 --> 00:10:32.081 I was like, this is brilliant. 180 00:10:32.101 --> 00:10:35.222 I just, I let it play for like the entire ever C90 tape. 181 00:10:35.362 --> 00:10:41.224 I gave it to some mates, just got to sit there and listen to like 90 minutes of someone going to spare me the madness. 182 00:10:41.264 --> 00:10:42.864 It does send you absolutely insane. 183 00:10:43.364 --> 00:10:44.145 Like, yeah. 184 00:10:44.245 --> 00:10:47.686 So that was the, the music thing has always been part of it and the humor as well. 185 00:10:47.906 --> 00:10:54.368 So the humor is definitely part of it because I was saying about earlier about Renegade and, 186 00:10:57.015 --> 00:11:04.960 The reasons I got into Sampley in the first place is because one of my mates, this is way beyond, you won't remember this at all, you're probably about fucking five. 187 00:11:05.541 --> 00:11:08.443 But like, on Neighbours there's a character called Phil Martin. 188 00:11:08.463 --> 00:11:12.766 And he's the most incidental character you could imagine. 189 00:11:12.786 --> 00:11:14.127 He's like a big fat bald in 190 00:11:15.105 --> 00:11:15.866 middle-aged fella. 191 00:11:15.886 --> 00:11:21.614 And my mate made an entire tape of just his moments from Neighbours on VHS. 192 00:11:21.654 --> 00:11:22.615 I'm like, what the fuck? 193 00:11:23.156 --> 00:11:23.657 What is this? 194 00:11:24.238 --> 00:11:25.459 What the fuck is it? 195 00:11:25.579 --> 00:11:26.601 He goes, no, wait. 196 00:11:27.001 --> 00:11:27.542 She played it. 197 00:11:27.662 --> 00:11:28.083 We've got... 198 00:11:29.322 --> 00:11:29.883 We got mashed. 199 00:11:31.464 --> 00:11:36.948 By the end of it, there was a group of us and we were just crippled, just crippled laughing. 200 00:11:37.028 --> 00:11:45.034 It's just such a surreal kind of, I don't know why it's so ridiculously nihilistic to have this tape of film art. 201 00:11:45.515 --> 00:11:49.078 By the end of it, we had to crawl up to TV and switch it off because we were suffocating. 202 00:11:49.318 --> 00:11:50.459 We couldn't stop laughing. 203 00:11:50.759 --> 00:11:56.884 So that has been a massive influence of what I've been trying to get back to that. 204 00:11:57.004 --> 00:11:57.324 It's like, 205 00:11:58.133 --> 00:12:00.296 you're trying to get back to that, that moment. 206 00:12:00.316 --> 00:12:01.418 It's a bit like smack. 207 00:12:01.438 --> 00:12:02.660 You don't want to get that first hit. 208 00:12:03.821 --> 00:12:07.707 I've never got the, we're just pissing ourselves off. 209 00:12:07.727 --> 00:12:12.674 So yeah, the humour has always been trying to get back to that kind of, I've always been making them for those. 210 00:12:13.287 --> 00:12:15.168 In my head, I'm making the songs for those people. 211 00:12:15.468 --> 00:12:16.369 I'm trying to make them laugh. 212 00:12:17.069 --> 00:12:17.529 And that's it. 213 00:12:17.669 --> 00:12:19.510 And if other people like it, then it's great. 214 00:12:20.451 --> 00:12:22.432 Initially, I was just making them for those people. 215 00:12:22.492 --> 00:12:23.773 I was making songs. 216 00:12:23.793 --> 00:12:25.794 We were listening to them, getting baked and laughing. 217 00:12:25.994 --> 00:12:28.715 And then the internet came along, and I can share this with the people. 218 00:12:28.915 --> 00:12:29.295 Totally. 219 00:12:29.576 --> 00:12:32.037 So, yeah, that's how the music kind of came along. 220 00:12:33.160 --> 00:12:37.562 But there's such kind of craft behind each of those videos even go back to the early ones. 221 00:12:37.582 --> 00:12:48.286 There's so much craft and complexity that builds as you go as you went along and you know going from put the fucking lotion in the basket, you know, to get in the back of the van to like, you know, Jeremy Clarkson beatbox to MasterChef. 222 00:12:48.306 --> 00:12:54.329 Like there's a real ambition that grows in each one and your your skill at doing what you're doing gets better and better. 223 00:12:54.809 --> 00:13:01.737 But what you just said there about the humour aspect, when I was watching back some of your work in the roll-ups, I couldn't content myself. 224 00:13:01.778 --> 00:13:02.398 It's so funny. 225 00:13:02.418 --> 00:13:05.562 I mean, do you laugh at what you're doing when you're editing it? 226 00:13:05.582 --> 00:13:06.703 Yeah, I piss myself laughing. 227 00:13:07.104 --> 00:13:08.325 I piss myself laughing. 228 00:13:09.086 --> 00:13:14.012 When I made the MasterChef one at first, because what happens is, 229 00:13:15.974 --> 00:13:17.656 So you need like, it's like doing a jigsaw, right? 230 00:13:17.676 --> 00:13:19.297 You've got like, but you've got no solution. 231 00:13:19.317 --> 00:13:21.579 You've got no picture of the actual jigsaw at the end. 232 00:13:22.380 --> 00:13:30.548 With the MasterChef one, you need, you need, so when you do a jigsaw, you find the first bit, oh, that bit goes there and you find a little section of it and you build from that. 233 00:13:30.588 --> 00:13:31.128 It's like that. 234 00:13:31.529 --> 00:13:37.714 So the MasterChef one, for instance, first sample, my mates were going, oh, you should do something with MasterChef, do something with MasterChef. 235 00:13:38.075 --> 00:13:39.957 Three or four people said, I was like, all right, I'll go on then. 236 00:13:40.787 --> 00:13:46.148 And like the first episode I watched, the guy fucked up that cheesecake and put his biscuit base was all right. 237 00:13:46.168 --> 00:13:47.768 So the guy went, so who is it? 238 00:13:48.588 --> 00:13:49.729 I said, fuck, he's a pussy calf. 239 00:13:50.289 --> 00:13:50.589 Greg. 240 00:13:50.969 --> 00:13:51.429 Greg. 241 00:13:51.869 --> 00:13:52.809 Greg went. 242 00:13:52.829 --> 00:13:53.329 Votorious. 243 00:13:53.489 --> 00:13:54.089 Yeah, Greg. 244 00:13:54.369 --> 00:13:56.150 Greg went, I like the biscuit base. 245 00:13:56.170 --> 00:13:57.570 And that was the first sample I had. 246 00:13:58.030 --> 00:14:00.530 So I put that in my sampler. 247 00:14:00.550 --> 00:14:02.491 I looped it and put a beat behind it. 248 00:14:02.551 --> 00:14:04.631 And I was fucking pissing myself off. 249 00:14:04.651 --> 00:14:06.091 Just like, yes, that's all right. 250 00:14:06.151 --> 00:14:06.911 That's your little hook. 251 00:14:07.491 --> 00:14:10.432 So I find a hook and then I build, I get a foothold in it. 252 00:14:11.948 --> 00:14:12.929 and then kind of build on it. 253 00:14:12.969 --> 00:14:16.491 And then, you know, eventually you'll hit a point where you can't get any further. 254 00:14:16.511 --> 00:14:17.712 You're like, shit, I can't finish this. 255 00:14:18.252 --> 00:14:21.855 Then you've just got to go back and look for more pieces of the puzzle. 256 00:14:22.255 --> 00:14:25.297 So I'll always go back to, I'll make a little tune. 257 00:14:25.317 --> 00:14:27.919 I'll always go back and find more and more bits to make it finish. 258 00:14:27.959 --> 00:14:29.380 Otherwise you kind of, it gets boring. 259 00:14:29.400 --> 00:14:30.761 For me, it gets boring anyway. 260 00:14:30.841 --> 00:14:31.522 So I'm just like, right. 261 00:14:32.122 --> 00:14:35.885 That's why they kind of get more and more complex as they go along. 262 00:14:35.905 --> 00:14:37.786 Cause I kept myself in trouble with it. 263 00:14:37.806 --> 00:14:39.967 I'm like, right, I've done, I've got this far with it. 264 00:14:40.268 --> 00:14:40.708 It's good. 265 00:14:41.432 --> 00:14:43.293 but I need to somehow wrap it up. 266 00:14:43.553 --> 00:14:47.634 So a lot of them, I'm like, shit, I'm gonna have to go back and watch a little more fucking MasterChef. 267 00:14:48.054 --> 00:14:50.175 Or I'll watch a little more Paul McCartney. 268 00:14:51.275 --> 00:14:54.216 Especially that one, I had to go make a whole other verse. 269 00:14:54.296 --> 00:14:58.077 And that's what I talk about in the songs, not about having to go back and find more bits. 270 00:14:58.597 --> 00:15:02.538 So it's like, a lot of my songs are talking about the process of writing the song. 271 00:15:04.139 --> 00:15:08.760 It's just something that it's kind of, yeah, I don't know why I do that, but it's just something that happens and not really, 272 00:15:09.580 --> 00:15:15.381 It's not really intentional, but yeah, they do kind of get, they kind of go out of control a little bit. 273 00:15:16.362 --> 00:15:18.962 And how long are you interested these do your videos take to make? 274 00:15:19.002 --> 00:15:21.823 Because I want to say, Buttery Biscuit Base, that was a, I want to say that was a year. 275 00:15:22.023 --> 00:15:23.363 Did it take to edit from start to finish? 276 00:15:23.723 --> 00:15:24.784 Right. 277 00:15:24.804 --> 00:15:34.366 Someone said, right, we were, Adam Buxton had a night on, where was it, South Bank Center, where he showed stuff, videos. 278 00:15:34.386 --> 00:15:38.387 And he showed that one, he showed a few others, he showed that Mass Chef video. 279 00:15:39.556 --> 00:15:41.057 And he asked me, like, how long did it take? 280 00:15:41.397 --> 00:15:43.179 I went, a year. 281 00:15:44.100 --> 00:15:45.301 But I didn't mean, like, a year. 282 00:15:45.361 --> 00:15:46.161 So I meant a year. 283 00:15:46.221 --> 00:15:47.342 And he cut me off. 284 00:15:47.402 --> 00:15:50.144 It took me a year, because he was asking the audience. 285 00:15:50.184 --> 00:15:51.545 Everyone just went, whoa, a year. 286 00:15:51.565 --> 00:15:52.626 It wasn't a year. 287 00:15:52.706 --> 00:15:54.047 I started it a year. 288 00:15:54.368 --> 00:15:55.929 Like, I started it a year ago, and I got stuck. 289 00:15:56.169 --> 00:15:57.530 Like I said, I got stuck. 290 00:15:57.550 --> 00:15:58.711 So I had that little bit. 291 00:15:59.452 --> 00:16:02.094 I had the really cool, like, little chorus, if you like. 292 00:16:02.114 --> 00:16:03.175 And then I had to finish it. 293 00:16:03.195 --> 00:16:05.757 So I left it on the back burner for, like, months. 294 00:16:05.777 --> 00:16:06.157 Mm-hmm. 295 00:16:06.789 --> 00:16:07.669 I went back to it. 296 00:16:07.689 --> 00:16:10.750 So all in all, it didn't take me a year of just slaving away. 297 00:16:10.770 --> 00:16:14.512 It took about, in total, probably about two weeks. 298 00:16:15.372 --> 00:16:22.975 So I'd do the majority of it in a week, and then I'd go, fuck, I've got a fanny around with it for about a few months. 299 00:16:23.035 --> 00:16:25.356 And then I'd get stuck, and I'd just go, I can't finish it. 300 00:16:25.836 --> 00:16:27.677 And I'd come back, and I'd find another sample. 301 00:16:27.717 --> 00:16:29.477 Then I'd found the wobble bit. 302 00:16:30.078 --> 00:16:31.418 Wobble, wobble, and I'd finish it. 303 00:16:31.438 --> 00:16:32.118 And I'd found that. 304 00:16:32.178 --> 00:16:33.399 I'd say, all right, I've done. 305 00:16:33.439 --> 00:16:33.999 It can end now. 306 00:16:34.708 --> 00:16:37.410 I had to come back to that after the next series was aired, you know what I mean? 307 00:16:37.490 --> 00:16:39.211 Because I'd already rinsed that series that I had. 308 00:16:39.471 --> 00:16:40.832 Right. 309 00:16:41.572 --> 00:16:43.393 But yeah, now everyone thinks it took a year. 310 00:16:43.633 --> 00:16:46.775 Not everyone, but people who, you know, it's on Wikipedia, like it took a year. 311 00:16:46.935 --> 00:16:47.255 Right. 312 00:16:47.315 --> 00:16:48.676 Like it didn't take a year. 313 00:16:49.276 --> 00:16:50.557 That would be absolutely insane. 314 00:16:52.318 --> 00:16:54.379 Yeah, about three or four weeks probably. 315 00:16:54.399 --> 00:16:56.381 Yeah, and it was the wobble. 316 00:16:56.401 --> 00:16:58.502 That was the key to finishing it off. 317 00:16:58.522 --> 00:17:00.043 Yeah, I unlocked it when I found that. 318 00:17:00.063 --> 00:17:01.343 I was like, oh God, I found that. 319 00:17:02.124 --> 00:17:02.404 So yeah. 320 00:17:03.300 --> 00:17:09.702 Similar things with other ones, but I think the power slide bit in the Clarkson one. 321 00:17:09.742 --> 00:17:14.503 No, I had the power slide bit first and I was working up to that bit and that was the other way around. 322 00:17:15.303 --> 00:17:18.464 I had that bit and I had to work out how to get to it. 323 00:17:19.164 --> 00:17:24.086 So I just had that bit and it was fun, but it was just completely random. 324 00:17:24.806 --> 00:17:27.887 So I had to kind of explain why it was getting to that point in the song. 325 00:17:29.553 --> 00:17:33.196 Maybe I didn't have to do that, but in my head I had to do that to make it make sense. 326 00:17:34.336 --> 00:17:35.797 Otherwise you're just, what are you doing? 327 00:17:35.837 --> 00:17:38.139 Sometimes I'm doing the songs, I'm like, what am I doing? 328 00:17:38.739 --> 00:17:41.061 What am I doing? 329 00:17:41.321 --> 00:17:43.322 Every time I get to play, I think, what am I doing? 330 00:17:43.803 --> 00:17:45.324 I'm chopping up bits of MasterChef. 331 00:17:46.024 --> 00:17:46.584 I'm skinned. 332 00:17:47.064 --> 00:17:48.425 I'm working in a pub. 333 00:17:49.345 --> 00:17:50.246 It's just crazy. 334 00:17:50.506 --> 00:17:53.927 It kept me sane in a weird kind of way. 335 00:17:54.447 --> 00:18:00.910 Because working in a pub on minimum wage, I was hand-to-mouth, plastering, decorating and stuff. 336 00:18:01.030 --> 00:18:04.431 I didn't think it was going to give me a way out of that. 337 00:18:04.451 --> 00:18:08.713 I wasn't really looking for one, but it was just something I've always done as a bit of... 338 00:18:09.835 --> 00:18:12.397 It's like, I don't know, if I'm not doing it, I kind of spiral. 339 00:18:12.597 --> 00:18:17.942 I need to be creating something that keeps me like, keeps the noggin in check. 340 00:18:19.143 --> 00:18:19.524 So, yeah. 341 00:18:19.924 --> 00:18:24.268 Yeah, it keeps you passionate and keeps you... Yeah, it's just something like doing it. 342 00:18:24.408 --> 00:18:26.169 I've always been like that since I was a kid. 343 00:18:26.470 --> 00:18:30.253 I've always wanted to concentrate on something, focus. 344 00:18:30.673 --> 00:18:31.094 It's like... 345 00:18:31.992 --> 00:18:33.793 It's like therapy, and you don't think of anything else. 346 00:18:33.813 --> 00:18:35.634 You're just concentrating on that one thing. 347 00:18:35.995 --> 00:18:39.037 Yeah, and when Butcher Biscuit Base came out and became this huge... 348 00:18:39.057 --> 00:18:41.218 Went viral and became this huge thing. 349 00:18:41.238 --> 00:18:43.279 I mean, I want to say, you know, because it came out in 2011. 350 00:18:43.400 --> 00:18:47.502 It was like one of the 10 biggest online videos in the UK of that year. 351 00:18:47.522 --> 00:18:48.843 It was huge, and it was everywhere. 352 00:18:48.883 --> 00:18:50.504 And MasterChef referenced it. 353 00:18:50.864 --> 00:18:52.726 It became... You know, it was picked up by papers. 354 00:18:52.786 --> 00:18:53.846 The papers picked it up. 355 00:18:53.866 --> 00:18:54.907 It became a thing. 356 00:18:54.927 --> 00:18:56.108 I mean, how did that feel to... 357 00:18:56.708 --> 00:19:02.430 To have been doing this hobby that was your passion for so many years in the run-up to that, and then to suddenly have this, I guess, hit. 358 00:19:02.731 --> 00:19:03.651 I mean, it even charted. 359 00:19:03.671 --> 00:19:05.472 Yeah, it was a buzz. 360 00:19:05.492 --> 00:19:06.792 Massive, massive buzz. 361 00:19:07.753 --> 00:19:09.993 It was unbelievable. 362 00:19:11.014 --> 00:19:21.618 Went to – my brother lived in Dalston at the time, and the day – it was the Friday night of that week that it came out, 363 00:19:22.922 --> 00:19:25.583 and a mate comes in because someone's literally singing it in the street. 364 00:19:26.324 --> 00:19:28.705 It's like, what? 365 00:19:28.785 --> 00:19:30.505 That was a proper viral line. 366 00:19:30.545 --> 00:19:38.829 Things go viral now, but everyone heard that, even though it's only got 10 million or something on YouTube. 367 00:19:38.849 --> 00:19:45.352 You see things with billions of hits, but you ask the next man if you've heard of it, and they don't know it. 368 00:19:45.872 --> 00:19:49.414 Whereas that was only had a few million at the time. 369 00:19:49.434 --> 00:19:51.715 I think in the week, he only got half a million in that week. 370 00:19:52.587 --> 00:19:56.848 which is nothing these days, but cause it was in, it's been playing on the radio. 371 00:19:56.908 --> 00:20:04.490 It was on, you know, it was in the papers, like you said, loads of people heard that without it being reflected in the, in the views, I think. 372 00:20:05.090 --> 00:20:09.011 And a lot of people, it got nicked a lot and it got put on different platforms and stuff. 373 00:20:09.552 --> 00:20:13.173 But yeah, it was a proper, yeah, it was a proper viral. 374 00:20:13.473 --> 00:20:14.113 It was mental. 375 00:20:14.993 --> 00:20:16.854 It was like, it was life changing, I suppose. 376 00:20:17.214 --> 00:20:17.754 Cause yeah. 377 00:20:18.694 --> 00:20:20.895 Gave me a little bit of a career, I suppose. 378 00:20:23.512 --> 00:20:27.373 you're always chasing that, you always want to go back to your biggest hit. 379 00:20:28.313 --> 00:20:29.073 It's addictive. 380 00:20:29.113 --> 00:20:34.135 Social media is, I get it, it's the most addictive thing. 381 00:20:34.155 --> 00:20:38.116 People will do anything for those likes and it just so happens that I do this. 382 00:20:39.136 --> 00:20:39.896 Some people will. 383 00:20:40.776 --> 00:20:43.677 I saw one guy's pissing all over pub. 384 00:20:46.838 --> 00:20:47.618 He was pissing. 385 00:20:48.278 --> 00:20:51.139 He had a series of videos of him pissing in pub toilets. 386 00:20:51.819 --> 00:20:52.099 I was like, 387 00:20:54.107 --> 00:20:55.488 People do anything for those views. 388 00:20:56.008 --> 00:20:58.129 When he gets caught, it's like Home Alone. 389 00:20:58.149 --> 00:20:59.369 They're going to find all his videos. 390 00:20:59.429 --> 00:21:00.990 It's like the wet bandits. 391 00:21:01.010 --> 00:21:04.491 They're going to find, oh, you've hit this place, you've hit this place. 392 00:21:04.511 --> 00:21:06.952 He's stuffed if they caught him for catching. 393 00:21:07.032 --> 00:21:08.633 But yeah, it's kind of... 394 00:21:09.718 --> 00:21:19.144 I get it, I get it, why you get addicted to that kind of thing of people seeing you work, even if you're pissing all over a public toilet. 395 00:21:19.644 --> 00:21:20.825 It's super addictive. 396 00:21:21.245 --> 00:21:25.427 And that's why I'm still kind of, it's not what keeps me going, I do it because I love doing it and it's fun. 397 00:21:26.148 --> 00:21:35.614 But you're always chasing, you are, anyone who says they're not doing it for that hit is lying because you are doing it for that buzz of getting a viral. 398 00:21:36.114 --> 00:21:37.775 It's just, yeah. 399 00:21:37.795 --> 00:21:37.895 Yeah. 400 00:21:38.345 --> 00:21:40.011 It's like something in it. 401 00:21:40.071 --> 00:21:41.154 Then dolphins are just... 402 00:21:42.773 --> 00:21:45.234 I don't know if it's healthy or not, but probably not. 403 00:21:45.754 --> 00:21:45.874 Right. 404 00:21:46.034 --> 00:21:52.335 But like, and did you ever feel that kind of, as you say, it became a thing and it got round and people heard it and saw it. 405 00:21:52.755 --> 00:21:58.837 And then as you say, it kind of, in a way you could argue, kind of took Sweet Mason as a career, as a thing to the next level. 406 00:21:58.857 --> 00:22:08.779 I mean, did you feel like any kind of, for what I hear from like sort of YouTubers and online creators, that when they get that first big success, it's a buzz, but also there's a bit of fear that comes with that. 407 00:22:08.819 --> 00:22:10.880 Like, oh God, I better not mess this up. 408 00:22:10.920 --> 00:22:11.800 Did you ever feel that? 409 00:22:12.285 --> 00:22:13.526 Yeah, massive, massive. 410 00:22:13.706 --> 00:22:14.026 Yeah. 411 00:22:14.947 --> 00:22:15.788 Yeah, panic attacks. 412 00:22:15.848 --> 00:22:18.870 Just like, it's like, I don't want this. 413 00:22:18.890 --> 00:22:19.411 What have I done? 414 00:22:19.451 --> 00:22:20.311 I don't want this to happen. 415 00:22:20.331 --> 00:22:22.833 I don't want, I don't want people to know who I am. 416 00:22:22.873 --> 00:22:23.734 I don't want to know. 417 00:22:23.754 --> 00:22:25.255 This is like, it's out of my control now. 418 00:22:25.335 --> 00:22:27.237 It's like, fuck, what the fuck? 419 00:22:27.817 --> 00:22:29.558 Radio stations ringing you up and stuff. 420 00:22:29.578 --> 00:22:30.899 I didn't mean this to happen. 421 00:22:30.919 --> 00:22:31.500 You know what I mean? 422 00:22:31.520 --> 00:22:32.581 Yeah, I really panicked. 423 00:22:33.181 --> 00:22:35.523 And like you said as well, then you've got to follow it up with something. 424 00:22:36.464 --> 00:22:36.684 But, 425 00:22:37.895 --> 00:22:41.698 The follow up thing for me, I got to the point where I just didn't care, so I'm just gonna crack on. 426 00:22:43.299 --> 00:22:49.925 What was good about it, I got work off it, which was really handy, because I was absolutely skint at the time. 427 00:22:50.666 --> 00:22:57.391 So yeah, I ended up getting bits and bobs of work, doing similar things for companies and what have you. 428 00:22:57.471 --> 00:22:59.933 And I just kind of went, I just said yes to everything, I'll do that, I'll do that. 429 00:22:59.993 --> 00:23:05.578 Even though a lot of it was a bit crap, but you know, they didn't understand that the reason I was making 430 00:23:06.650 --> 00:23:12.677 what happens is I find the sample is what dictates what I'm going to make. 431 00:23:12.717 --> 00:23:16.922 I'll hear something random on TV or whatever, and I'll be like, I'm going to make something out of that. 432 00:23:16.942 --> 00:23:20.005 It's not the other way around. 433 00:23:20.065 --> 00:23:21.687 I don't watch something like, I don't know, 434 00:23:22.600 --> 00:23:26.041 I wouldn't watch EastEnders just hoping to find a sample. 435 00:23:26.101 --> 00:23:31.404 I might watch EastEnders and something pops up, like a little rhythmical thing that I can make a song out of that. 436 00:23:31.444 --> 00:23:32.764 Then I'd watch loads of EastEnders. 437 00:23:33.144 --> 00:23:37.086 When I was working for companies, I was like, can you make something out of whatever, this or this or this? 438 00:23:38.274 --> 00:23:40.035 Yeah, I can, but it'll probably be shit. 439 00:23:40.915 --> 00:23:42.636 Nine times out of ten it was. 440 00:23:43.036 --> 00:23:43.817 Some of them were all right. 441 00:23:44.477 --> 00:23:46.658 But yeah, then again, I do want more work, so. 442 00:23:48.499 --> 00:23:50.240 I'll just shove myself in the foot there. 443 00:23:51.820 --> 00:23:55.722 But it's interesting because it sounds like it doesn't come from, yeah, you looking actively for something. 444 00:23:55.762 --> 00:23:59.724 It emerges organically out of the kind of flotsam and jetsam of your life and your tastes. 445 00:24:00.004 --> 00:24:01.805 Yeah, they're out there floating around, these samples. 446 00:24:01.825 --> 00:24:06.929 You've just got to try and use this serendipity if you find them. 447 00:24:07.069 --> 00:24:13.593 It's like, that's why I like terrestrial TV, because I like the fact that it's just, it's kind of like a river. 448 00:24:13.613 --> 00:24:17.036 You're like fishing, you're just like sat by a river, and it's just going by like that. 449 00:24:17.756 --> 00:24:19.237 I love that, I love that sample. 450 00:24:19.617 --> 00:24:22.700 Whereas the internet's more like a massive ocean. 451 00:24:22.880 --> 00:24:24.241 You know, the samples are out there. 452 00:24:24.481 --> 00:24:24.641 Mm-hmm. 453 00:24:25.020 --> 00:24:27.163 But how the fuck do you... You can't just put your rod in. 454 00:24:27.203 --> 00:24:29.286 You're going to just pull up some crap. 455 00:24:29.867 --> 00:24:31.248 Whereas it's not flowing past. 456 00:24:31.289 --> 00:24:32.350 There's almost too much. 457 00:24:32.971 --> 00:24:38.418 And the stuff that gets washed up, that's your algorithm stuff, if you like. 458 00:24:38.598 --> 00:24:41.042 I don't want to make stuff that's already been... 459 00:24:42.168 --> 00:24:44.630 discovered, you know, and I don't want to make stuff that's already popular. 460 00:24:44.731 --> 00:24:50.096 I want to find these little nuggets that totally, that someone else would completely overlook. 461 00:24:50.756 --> 00:24:58.724 For me, they're like little bits of gold, you know, it's like looking through rock pools, finding like little trinkets and stuff, I don't know. 462 00:24:59.685 --> 00:25:00.706 That's why I look at it. 463 00:25:01.055 --> 00:25:17.586 And like you say, Buttery Biscuit Base, it had an impact which like, you know, even though it only got, say, 12 million views on YouTube, it had an impact which a lot of sort of quote-unquote viral videos now don't because like, you know, like you say, things will get a billion views but like you ask the bloke down the pub, like, have you heard of this? 464 00:25:17.866 --> 00:25:19.367 They won't have any clue what it was. 465 00:25:19.767 --> 00:25:20.547 And why do you think that was? 466 00:25:20.567 --> 00:25:24.090 Why do you think Buttery Biscuit Base had that impact, that memorability? 467 00:25:24.670 --> 00:25:25.991 Early days of the internet, I suppose. 468 00:25:26.011 --> 00:25:28.292 There wasn't as much noise out there. 469 00:25:28.312 --> 00:25:30.774 There's loads of, it's just, since then it's just 470 00:25:32.367 --> 00:26:02.027 exponentially grown isn't it so there's tons of stuff people are putting stuff out every day there's just there's no way you can see everything I think a lot of those views it's inflated by like the algorithm people see it but don't know they've even seen oh it's past their feed and if it gets on a feed you know a 4U feed or whatever people are going to see it but not it's not attention they're not giving it it's just there and the score will pass and that counts as a view or whatever but I think with that 471 00:26:02.828 --> 00:26:14.816 with MasterChef, people were actually engaged with it and watching it and liking it, telling the mates through organic, more like organic word of mouth because they actually thought it was funny. 472 00:26:15.917 --> 00:26:18.539 I think that's why that one kind of spread. 473 00:26:19.600 --> 00:26:22.782 I think it spread more organically than it did through YouTube. 474 00:26:23.989 --> 00:26:40.859 think so anyway you can't it's no way of knowing so and it's the only it remains kind of the only piece of greg wallace related content that i can enjoy kind of relatively guilt-free i mean i do think when i made it i thought this guy is gonna get cancelled one day you know that you know this day is coming 475 00:26:41.259 --> 00:26:42.900 Did you actually think that at the time? 476 00:26:43.200 --> 00:26:43.640 Yeah, yeah. 477 00:26:43.680 --> 00:26:44.820 The day's coming. 478 00:26:44.980 --> 00:26:46.140 I've got loads of stuff on my phone. 479 00:26:46.180 --> 00:26:50.142 I've been like, when everybody's been on the front page of the newspaper, I've took a picture of it, he's coming. 480 00:26:50.842 --> 00:26:55.483 I don't want to say what the things were, but I just knew the day was coming. 481 00:26:56.243 --> 00:26:56.723 There he is. 482 00:26:56.944 --> 00:26:57.784 The writing's on the wall. 483 00:26:58.084 --> 00:26:58.404 Yeah. 484 00:26:58.544 --> 00:27:01.745 I'm not saying that's why I put that bit in it where he's got that grinning face, but you know. 485 00:27:02.625 --> 00:27:09.970 It was like, subconsciously like thinking this guy is going to get, he's going to put a foot wrong soon. 486 00:27:11.050 --> 00:27:13.152 But yeah, that's another story, isn't it? 487 00:27:13.192 --> 00:27:16.494 I'm going to get into that. 488 00:27:16.514 --> 00:27:19.676 But yeah, it's the only piece that I can enjoy, I can watch and kind of just enjoy it. 489 00:27:19.736 --> 00:27:27.140 As you say, there's an idea behind the video and all your videos that comes off and is funny and intelligent, memorable. 490 00:27:27.420 --> 00:27:31.943 I mean, one of my favourite, I think my probably, if I had to pick a personal favourite of yours, I love the Paul McCartney film. 491 00:27:32.203 --> 00:27:56.837 yeah that's my favorite one yeah i don't think i'll top that one is that your personal favorite yeah i'll top that one that took fucking ages i'm not gonna lie that took that took some doing that that sample came because originally that the first sample i had for that like the kind of foot in the door sample was uh donk donk donk donk yeah that that came a guy called he was what was he 492 00:27:59.167 --> 00:28:28.184 his working name with Freelance Hellraiser, he used to make mashups, I think he might still be going, mashups, you know, they mash up two different tunes together, I don't think he did the Strokes, Christina Aguilera one, I think he might, I can't remember, but, I'm pretty sure this is true, he was working with Paul McCartney, because Paul McCartney tries to keep, you know, he wants to keep current, so at the time, this is 2005 or something, that kind of mashup thing was massive, but, 493 00:28:29.332 --> 00:28:34.135 I think he was working on an album, trying to do something similar with his stuff. 494 00:28:34.256 --> 00:28:36.797 And I think he'd hired Freelance Hellraiser. 495 00:28:36.837 --> 00:28:38.178 I could just be hallucinating it. 496 00:28:39.339 --> 00:28:43.302 But I'm pretty sure Paul McCartney gave him that sample. 497 00:28:43.582 --> 00:28:43.862 Really? 498 00:28:44.102 --> 00:28:44.403 Yeah. 499 00:28:44.983 --> 00:28:47.745 Because Freelance Hellraiser made a little ditty out of it, sent it to me. 500 00:28:47.905 --> 00:28:48.766 Can you do anything with this? 501 00:28:48.806 --> 00:28:52.929 I was like, I can kind of do something with it. 502 00:28:53.509 --> 00:28:54.550 That sample's brilliant. 503 00:28:55.287 --> 00:28:57.008 But then I try and nothing happened on it. 504 00:28:57.148 --> 00:29:00.251 That was another one that was on Backburner for three years, something. 505 00:29:00.291 --> 00:29:03.393 I was like, let's have a look at that Donk sample again. 506 00:29:04.054 --> 00:29:06.456 I was like, all right, let's try and make some lyrics. 507 00:29:06.936 --> 00:29:12.720 Let's try and let's watch every single fucking thing that I can find with Paul McCartney in it, every interview. 508 00:29:13.401 --> 00:29:14.782 Let's make some lyrics. 509 00:29:15.783 --> 00:29:18.145 Because this sample needs to be used. 510 00:29:18.205 --> 00:29:18.725 It's so good. 511 00:29:19.105 --> 00:29:19.966 It needs to be done. 512 00:29:20.546 --> 00:29:21.107 And that's why... 513 00:29:22.479 --> 00:29:25.020 that exists, and it took some doing that. 514 00:29:25.781 --> 00:29:30.603 It's like literally watching everything and piecing it together, you know? 515 00:29:31.043 --> 00:29:43.369 Yeah, because I did want to ask about your workflow when it came to how you put together your videos, because when you look at something like Paul McCartney Rabbit Hole and the complexity and the marvel of sampling that it is, my brain just kind of goes like, what? 516 00:29:43.409 --> 00:29:45.410 How did you even go about doing this? 517 00:29:45.690 --> 00:29:47.891 As you say, a kind of jigsaw puzzle that doesn't have a picture. 518 00:29:47.911 --> 00:29:48.531 It's not linear. 519 00:29:48.551 --> 00:29:49.392 You don't do it linear. 520 00:29:49.412 --> 00:29:49.872 You don't go... 521 00:29:50.492 --> 00:29:52.994 Well, some of it, you can go linear, that bit can go there. 522 00:29:53.034 --> 00:29:58.879 But most of it, it's like, you know, you do a jigsaw, it's kind of little spars kind of come out. 523 00:29:58.899 --> 00:30:02.322 And then the more spars you've got, then you just need to connect them together. 524 00:30:02.962 --> 00:30:03.423 It's like that. 525 00:30:03.443 --> 00:30:06.225 And before you know it, it gets, starting off is impossible. 526 00:30:06.245 --> 00:30:07.326 You're like, this is impossible. 527 00:30:07.366 --> 00:30:09.087 But then you get more of these little pieces. 528 00:30:09.988 --> 00:30:15.853 The more pieces you get to fit, then it gets easier to find the actual rest of the missing bits. 529 00:30:16.513 --> 00:30:18.515 So, you know, halfway through, I was like, fuck. 530 00:30:19.342 --> 00:30:20.143 I might be able to finish this. 531 00:30:20.203 --> 00:30:23.768 And then I had to go back, like I said, watch some more, find some more, get some more bits. 532 00:30:23.828 --> 00:30:25.991 And then eventually it was, it was doable. 533 00:30:26.011 --> 00:30:26.612 I could finish it. 534 00:30:27.373 --> 00:30:28.835 But yeah, I don't think I'll top that one. 535 00:30:28.935 --> 00:30:29.376 I don't know. 536 00:30:29.596 --> 00:30:29.997 I don't know. 537 00:30:30.017 --> 00:30:33.422 I don't want to really go back there because it was, it was brutal. 538 00:30:33.442 --> 00:30:35.625 That took some, took some real like, 539 00:30:37.063 --> 00:30:38.343 Give me a headache, I'm not going to lie. 540 00:30:38.523 --> 00:30:39.404 Some blood, sweat and tears. 541 00:30:39.584 --> 00:30:40.024 Literally. 542 00:30:40.044 --> 00:30:43.104 Well, maybe not blood, but definitely tears and sweat. 543 00:30:43.884 --> 00:30:54.487 Because the script for it, taking basically everything he's ever said on camera and mixing it into a song and he's speaking the lyrics, it's kind of your voice, in a sense. 544 00:30:54.687 --> 00:30:55.387 It's me. 545 00:30:55.667 --> 00:30:56.427 They're my words. 546 00:30:56.467 --> 00:30:58.028 It's not meant to be him rapping. 547 00:30:58.048 --> 00:30:59.508 It's me rapping through him. 548 00:30:59.528 --> 00:31:00.148 Through him, which is... 549 00:31:00.428 --> 00:31:22.732 which is brilliant kind of spooky kind of brilliant and hilarious and and like but just like creating that those lyrics like because i've seen other the youtubers like back in the days of youtube people would you know that was a thing people would remix sentences people make people say and you just think how do you even create that script like how do you do you write down okay this is what i want him to say from all the different words i've got or do you like how do you break down that down how do you do that 550 00:31:23.493 --> 00:31:27.916 So it'd say certain things in long sentences that I thought would make good lyrics. 551 00:31:28.076 --> 00:31:37.103 So I'd write that down and then in my head I'd go, literally on paper I'd write down the lyric and I'd go, what would be the good next line for that? 552 00:31:38.084 --> 00:31:43.648 So I'd write the next line that kind of rhymed or previous line to join it together and then 553 00:31:44.550 --> 00:31:57.026 I'd find, I'd just wait, I'd just watch stuff and find those bits, find the little connecting words and like, until you can make, because you can, you can splice words together to make new words. 554 00:31:57.646 --> 00:32:01.211 Got quite good at like, it's like, audio animation, you kind of, 555 00:32:02.498 --> 00:32:04.139 It's basically what AI does. 556 00:32:04.259 --> 00:32:08.162 It kind of gets the phonemes, or art does it on a sample level. 557 00:32:08.182 --> 00:32:13.626 I was getting little phonemes and stitching them together and actually thinking how actually someone speaks. 558 00:32:14.126 --> 00:32:14.867 You don't just say... 559 00:32:16.396 --> 00:32:22.998 like someone speak, you don't go someone speaks, you kind of, someone's go blends into the next words. 560 00:32:23.018 --> 00:32:27.879 So you want someone speaks, it's not a very good example, but the words are all connected together. 561 00:32:27.939 --> 00:32:31.140 It's just a, it's just a load of sounds that becomes the word. 562 00:32:31.600 --> 00:32:40.562 So I was thinking, well, I can make it, all I have to think about is the connecting bits and you can make him say literally anything you want. 563 00:32:43.140 --> 00:32:46.741 but it's best if you keep to what kind of things he does actually say. 564 00:32:46.761 --> 00:32:50.203 So I was like, it's just, yeah, it took fucking ages. 565 00:32:50.503 --> 00:32:51.403 It took fucking ages. 566 00:32:51.683 --> 00:32:52.463 Yeah. 567 00:32:52.804 --> 00:32:53.664 I can't explain it. 568 00:32:53.724 --> 00:32:54.644 That's, that's it. 569 00:32:55.264 --> 00:33:02.187 But breaking it down and like writing it down on a piece of paper and like systematically going through and just, 570 00:33:03.164 --> 00:33:05.085 And some bits I do in a day. 571 00:33:05.305 --> 00:33:08.027 I think the last couple of verses I did in a day. 572 00:33:08.768 --> 00:33:09.969 It just all comes together. 573 00:33:09.989 --> 00:33:11.470 I'm like, ah, I'm done. 574 00:33:11.870 --> 00:33:13.391 And what software are you using to edit? 575 00:33:13.411 --> 00:33:14.772 Are you using iMovie still? 576 00:33:14.972 --> 00:33:16.774 Did you use Premiere? 577 00:33:17.014 --> 00:33:18.255 What software do you use? 578 00:33:18.355 --> 00:33:21.097 I used to use iMovie, and then I got... 579 00:33:22.962 --> 00:33:26.104 Final Cut Pro, and then they kind of ruined that. 580 00:33:26.805 --> 00:33:28.986 They went Final Cut 10, which was crap at first. 581 00:33:29.006 --> 00:33:34.490 So I moved on to, for my sins, moved to fucking Premiere, and I'm stuck on bastard Premiere now. 582 00:33:35.210 --> 00:33:35.991 I hate Premiere. 583 00:33:36.151 --> 00:33:36.451 Yeah. 584 00:33:36.471 --> 00:33:38.913 Because, you know, they charge you every whatever. 585 00:33:39.013 --> 00:33:41.555 You can't own it, which is... 586 00:33:42.414 --> 00:34:06.015 annoying so I'm trying to get off Premiere go back to Final Cut and for the music I use Logic so I'm fully snared into the Apple ecosystem I use this program called Soundbite which is another program an ancient bit of like 2009 where you type a word it'll scan a load of footage, type a word in 587 00:34:06.668 --> 00:34:08.349 and it'll find what it thinks is the word. 588 00:34:09.270 --> 00:34:10.511 But it's absolutely crap. 589 00:34:10.671 --> 00:34:11.892 It doesn't work properly. 590 00:34:12.152 --> 00:34:21.419 It may be find one version of the word, but what it does find is approximations, and it'll find what I'm saying about the actual connecting words is what you want. 591 00:34:21.579 --> 00:34:27.944 For some reason, I've just worked out a way of using that to find these connecting bits of words. 592 00:34:28.484 --> 00:34:35.830 Yeah, that's a 2009 piece of obsolete software that won't run on my new Mac, so we'll have to find some new way of doing it. 593 00:34:36.803 --> 00:34:38.904 probably use AI to, I don't know. 594 00:34:39.825 --> 00:34:43.828 If anyone can help me find someone that can do a similar thing with AI, please do. 595 00:34:44.748 --> 00:34:52.594 I feel like AI has had such an impact on this particular area that we're talking about on post, especially, and just, I guess, content, hasn't it? 596 00:34:52.654 --> 00:34:56.797 I mean, like, even just in the last couple of years, I mean, it's had such an impact. 597 00:34:56.817 --> 00:34:58.318 I mean, yeah, you mentioned it earlier. 598 00:34:58.338 --> 00:35:01.760 I mean, how do you think it has changed things or is changing things? 599 00:35:02.220 --> 00:35:03.641 Yeah, it's changed things, definitely. 600 00:35:04.022 --> 00:35:05.923 Just in the fact that it exists and, like, 601 00:35:07.347 --> 00:35:21.412 For me, it feels like, I didn't lose my job at Joe because of AI, but it took the wind out of myself because it's almost like, what's the point of doing, spending all this time finding these words when you can just type it in? 602 00:35:22.152 --> 00:35:25.013 So like, whatever, what's it called? 603 00:35:26.053 --> 00:35:27.234 I'm not gonna even mention the name of it. 604 00:35:27.754 --> 00:35:32.275 You type it in and you can just clone a voice in seconds and type in whatever you want and it'll say it. 605 00:35:32.295 --> 00:35:36.817 I was like, what's the point of me painstakingly making these things and it kind of like, 606 00:35:38.801 --> 00:35:41.803 it just pulled the rug and it just undermined what I was doing. 607 00:35:41.843 --> 00:35:44.004 And that was a big deal. 608 00:35:44.024 --> 00:35:50.269 I've kind of got over it now and realized like with AI, that the more, the better it's got for me, the more boring it's become. 609 00:35:50.489 --> 00:35:55.472 I liked AI when it was like, you know, the Will Smith eating the spaghetti. 610 00:35:56.132 --> 00:36:00.735 When it was crap and he was eating spaghetti, it was all like, it was all proper like nightmare feel. 611 00:36:00.755 --> 00:36:02.336 I thought it was absolutely brilliant. 612 00:36:02.396 --> 00:36:04.937 Now you see him eating spaghetti, they've done a new one, it's like perfect. 613 00:36:04.957 --> 00:36:06.939 I'm like, that's boring. 614 00:36:07.139 --> 00:36:08.900 I liked it when it was crap. 615 00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:12.322 I was more interested when it was fucking up and making mistakes. 616 00:36:12.362 --> 00:36:17.545 And that's a similar way to why human create stuff is better. 617 00:36:17.565 --> 00:36:20.727 Because you see the moving parts, you see how it works. 618 00:36:20.747 --> 00:36:22.428 You can see someone's 619 00:36:24.081 --> 00:36:48.256 created that that's what i'm worried about with ai because it's it's like the same person's made everything you go online it looks like the same person has made it's effectively it is the same you know it's the same model or whatever it gets boring for me really quick so i've come full circle now i've gone back to like i'm just going to stick with doing it the old-fashioned nuts and bolts way but i'm not against using ai to help me find bits and pieces that i want to use and like use it as a 620 00:36:50.110 --> 00:36:53.051 I want to see it do stuff that's been impossible before. 621 00:36:53.571 --> 00:36:59.893 I want to see it create a whole new genre of whatever, a whole new thing that we don't even know exists now. 622 00:37:00.453 --> 00:37:01.293 That's what I want it to do. 623 00:37:01.313 --> 00:37:03.814 I don't want it to just copy what we can already do. 624 00:37:03.894 --> 00:37:05.714 We can already make music, we can already make art. 625 00:37:06.095 --> 00:37:07.115 We can already do all this stuff. 626 00:37:07.215 --> 00:37:10.416 I don't want it just to take that, take it away from us. 627 00:37:10.516 --> 00:37:11.876 We do that really well already. 628 00:37:12.396 --> 00:37:13.517 Or we do it really crap as well. 629 00:37:14.057 --> 00:37:15.017 But like, you know, 630 00:37:15.333 --> 00:37:24.080 why can't you use it for something that's completely different, that is impossible for a human to do, that's mind-blowing, not just copy what we already do. 631 00:37:24.321 --> 00:37:25.462 That's the problem with it for me. 632 00:37:26.022 --> 00:37:40.594 Yeah, but it sounds like you've kind of, like you say, you've come full circle with your attitude to AI, but at the time when it first came in, it sounds like it almost gave you, did it give you a bit of like an existential crisis, as you say, as someone who creates this content and these videos and really puts the heart and soul into them? 633 00:37:40.614 --> 00:37:41.375 A little bit. 634 00:37:41.455 --> 00:37:42.216 Well, I used it... 635 00:37:42.556 --> 00:37:48.761 First of all, I was like, well, when I was working for Joe, I was like, now I can do stuff now that I couldn't do before. 636 00:37:48.801 --> 00:37:50.363 I made a few videos using... 637 00:37:52.164 --> 00:37:54.947 I ran it natively with my PC. 638 00:37:55.027 --> 00:38:00.592 It was like a really early voice cloning program called TalkNet. 639 00:38:02.033 --> 00:38:02.874 It's the same. 640 00:38:02.894 --> 00:38:03.935 You feed it with a load of... 641 00:38:06.155 --> 00:38:11.477 I've got a talking book by Reece Mogg and I fed it that and it just, you know, I could type anything and make Reece Mogg say it. 642 00:38:11.497 --> 00:38:16.299 This was before it was like, you know, available just commercially. 643 00:38:16.319 --> 00:38:17.500 And I was like, this is incredible. 644 00:38:17.520 --> 00:38:19.381 I was like, oh, can I say it? 645 00:38:19.401 --> 00:38:20.521 So I was like, that's when I made. 646 00:38:20.761 --> 00:38:23.803 So we did this Goodfellas video where I thought we could like, 647 00:38:24.623 --> 00:38:26.064 We could do voiceovers for films. 648 00:38:26.084 --> 00:38:27.884 We could do trailers and stuff. 649 00:38:28.344 --> 00:38:29.305 That would be impossible. 650 00:38:29.405 --> 00:38:33.346 It would be possible in my way of doing it, but it would take so long. 651 00:38:34.467 --> 00:38:36.768 It's incidental to the actual plot. 652 00:38:36.788 --> 00:38:37.748 You don't need to be able to... 653 00:38:41.190 --> 00:38:44.092 You don't need to piece it together for the joke to work. 654 00:38:44.152 --> 00:38:51.716 So I just thought, we could just type out the script and then we can edit our version of the Tories, the Goodfellas trailer. 655 00:38:51.756 --> 00:38:55.498 And I was like, so for a while I was like, this is great. 656 00:38:55.518 --> 00:38:56.278 I could do all this stuff. 657 00:38:56.298 --> 00:38:59.620 But I got bored of it really, really quickly. 658 00:38:59.640 --> 00:39:02.782 I was just like, I've done that now. 659 00:39:03.562 --> 00:39:05.324 You know, I always want to try and move on a little bit. 660 00:39:06.145 --> 00:39:08.567 And once I've done it, I'm like, I'm not interested in doing it again, really. 661 00:39:09.668 --> 00:39:10.409 So, you know. 662 00:39:10.649 --> 00:39:18.737 But as you say, you know, around that time when AI was coming in, you were working with Joe.com, who did a lot of sort of political humor, a lot of political sort of like mashups and content. 663 00:39:19.157 --> 00:39:23.859 And that was, I want to say that was off the back of the channel, off the YouTube channel, you were getting work with them. 664 00:39:24.300 --> 00:39:26.861 I mean, what was it like working for Joe at the time? 665 00:39:26.881 --> 00:39:38.847 I mean, like you say, having gone from sort of what was essentially a YouTube hobby and then suddenly becoming a job, a full-time job, I mean, what was it like to go from, you know, kind of, I guess, hobbyist editor to then professional mashup artist, if you will? 666 00:39:40.068 --> 00:39:40.528 That was good. 667 00:39:40.808 --> 00:39:43.509 Getting regular pay, getting regular money was great. 668 00:39:43.589 --> 00:39:45.610 The first salary job I've pretty much ever had. 669 00:39:46.451 --> 00:39:46.811 So... 670 00:39:47.810 --> 00:39:48.250 Yeah, it was great. 671 00:39:48.270 --> 00:39:48.931 It was a lot of pressure. 672 00:39:49.431 --> 00:39:52.993 I had to come up with them every, you know, every month I had to come up with some. 673 00:39:53.133 --> 00:39:58.756 And if I didn't come up with the goods, then, you know, see you later, which is understandable. 674 00:39:58.876 --> 00:40:02.358 So I just had to keep coming up with stuff. 675 00:40:02.378 --> 00:40:03.718 So the whip was being cracked. 676 00:40:03.758 --> 00:40:05.859 And I thought we came up with some good stuff. 677 00:40:06.780 --> 00:40:10.502 It lasted about six years, and then I was just completely burnt out by the end of it. 678 00:40:12.105 --> 00:40:14.806 I just grind, nose to the grindstone for six years. 679 00:40:15.646 --> 00:40:17.927 I looked up, my kids had grown up. 680 00:40:17.987 --> 00:40:21.688 I was like, shit, my house was falling down like shit. 681 00:40:21.708 --> 00:40:27.189 So since I left Joe, I've been doing my house pretty much because it's just crumbling. 682 00:40:27.229 --> 00:40:28.530 It was just constant graft. 683 00:40:29.310 --> 00:40:35.532 So it was good, but it was also like, it was a lot of work, painstaking. 684 00:40:36.632 --> 00:40:40.033 I'm surprised it lasted six, I thought I'd lost six months and lasted six years, which was, 685 00:40:41.175 --> 00:40:42.475 If someone's paying you, that's what you'll do. 686 00:40:42.495 --> 00:40:43.135 You know what I mean? 687 00:40:43.256 --> 00:40:43.776 You'll work. 688 00:40:45.376 --> 00:40:45.756 So, yeah. 689 00:40:46.036 --> 00:40:46.976 It was good overall. 690 00:40:47.116 --> 00:40:47.877 It was great. 691 00:40:48.077 --> 00:40:49.817 So you were coming up with a fresh idea every month. 692 00:40:49.877 --> 00:40:51.358 That was the job. 693 00:40:51.738 --> 00:40:51.918 Yeah. 694 00:40:52.378 --> 00:40:52.618 Wow. 695 00:40:52.758 --> 00:40:57.999 It was quite easy when it was Brexit because there was just so much material with the Tories fucking up constantly. 696 00:40:58.279 --> 00:40:58.619 Yeah. 697 00:40:59.099 --> 00:40:59.800 It was dead easy. 698 00:41:00.120 --> 00:41:00.320 Yeah. 699 00:41:00.480 --> 00:41:01.080 I'm not going to lie. 700 00:41:01.100 --> 00:41:08.682 And then through lockdown with all the party games, it was just so easy to come up with the ideas, to be fair. 701 00:41:09.873 --> 00:41:15.405 And then it got really complicated when... And then obviously up to the election when they lost, there was just plenty of material to take the piss. 702 00:41:15.425 --> 00:41:17.810 And then Labour get in and then it's like... 703 00:41:18.496 --> 00:41:19.316 what we're going to do. 704 00:41:19.356 --> 00:41:21.837 We did some K-Starma tunes. 705 00:41:22.297 --> 00:41:23.118 They were good. 706 00:41:23.818 --> 00:41:25.358 Then I kind of like, who? 707 00:41:26.199 --> 00:41:37.683 I just found it difficult to do, like, to rip the piss out of Starmer without making, say, Farage look good or, you know, take a piss out of Farage without making Starmer look good. 708 00:41:37.763 --> 00:41:39.283 In my opinion, they're all fucking shit. 709 00:41:39.903 --> 00:41:40.424 Yeah. 710 00:41:41.704 --> 00:41:42.985 You know, it just got difficult. 711 00:41:43.025 --> 00:41:44.927 And by that point, I was just completely burnt out. 712 00:41:45.607 --> 00:41:47.188 I can't do anymore. 713 00:41:47.228 --> 00:41:49.050 Don't make me do anymore. 714 00:41:49.110 --> 00:41:52.613 So, yeah, kind of like it died on its ass a little bit. 715 00:41:54.134 --> 00:41:55.935 But basically, I just needed a break. 716 00:41:55.995 --> 00:41:58.878 I wish they could have given me like a year off, but it don't work like that. 717 00:41:59.238 --> 00:42:01.720 You wanted a break and say that's why you left Joe. 718 00:42:02.228 --> 00:42:04.629 No, no, I had to leave, put it that way. 719 00:42:04.709 --> 00:42:05.389 I had to go. 720 00:42:05.409 --> 00:42:06.770 Oh. 721 00:42:07.010 --> 00:42:07.310 Bye. 722 00:42:07.670 --> 00:42:07.830 Oh. 723 00:42:08.030 --> 00:42:08.551 Bye-bye. 724 00:42:09.011 --> 00:42:09.511 I had to go. 725 00:42:10.712 --> 00:42:13.993 Yeah, I just, I wasn't coming up with the goods anymore. 726 00:42:14.893 --> 00:42:17.454 I was just rinsed, basically. 727 00:42:17.614 --> 00:42:18.015 So, yeah. 728 00:42:18.695 --> 00:42:22.977 Now I'm all, I'm ready to go again, get back in the saddle, but now there's no work. 729 00:42:23.177 --> 00:42:23.397 Great. 730 00:42:24.157 --> 00:42:34.620 Well, but I must say, I mean, like when I checked my YouTube inbox and there was a new Sweet Mason video, Berry Bars, which I must say I think is one of the best things you've ever done. 731 00:42:34.840 --> 00:42:37.021 That video, I must say, it's a fantastic one. 732 00:42:37.061 --> 00:42:39.061 And there'd been that seven year gap. 733 00:42:39.121 --> 00:42:44.203 Obviously, it wasn't just a clear, you'd been working in that gap and the videos were coming out, but through Joe and other companies. 734 00:42:44.243 --> 00:42:47.764 But like when there was that new Sweet Mason video, it was like, oh, this is fantastic. 735 00:42:47.904 --> 00:42:48.404 It was fantastic. 736 00:42:48.564 --> 00:42:50.145 Like you say in the video, a blast from the past. 737 00:42:50.265 --> 00:42:50.745 Yeah, yeah. 738 00:42:50.945 --> 00:42:54.626 I mean, there's so much energy to that video and to that edit. 739 00:42:54.686 --> 00:43:00.348 Like everything you just said about feeling burnt out, you don't get any of that from that video and the ones you've done since. 740 00:43:00.609 --> 00:43:01.429 No. 741 00:43:01.849 --> 00:43:02.209 At all. 742 00:43:02.249 --> 00:43:03.770 Well, yeah. 743 00:43:04.850 --> 00:43:07.271 It was different, that one, because I wasn't doing politics. 744 00:43:07.291 --> 00:43:09.272 That said, I was just – not just the actual – 745 00:43:10.262 --> 00:43:18.966 the kind of graft, it was like the, just the kind of toxicness of, I don't know, just deal with politics every day, I was just doing my head in, you know what I mean? 746 00:43:19.866 --> 00:43:21.767 And it was just refreshing to get away from that. 747 00:43:21.787 --> 00:43:24.848 That's why I chose Mary Berry, because it's like, what's the furthest thing? 748 00:43:26.950 --> 00:43:52.807 who isn't going to get a cancel you never know but like who isn't going to get a cancel mary berry's not going to get a cancel mary berry's the most untoxic person let's do mary berry so i thought right yeah let's do something for that and the same it's just same principles applied to watch a lot of it i really enjoyed making it you can tell because it was just different i enjoyed doing that one so yeah uh what else have i done since then this house 749 00:43:53.212 --> 00:43:54.632 No, that one, that's the last one I did, yeah. 750 00:43:54.652 --> 00:43:55.072 That's cracking. 751 00:43:55.092 --> 00:43:56.933 Well, no, the last one, there's the carrier bag for a jam donor. 752 00:43:56.953 --> 00:43:57.393 Oh, yeah. 753 00:43:57.453 --> 00:43:58.913 It's kind of like a B-side. 754 00:43:58.933 --> 00:44:01.054 That's an old one, but yeah. 755 00:44:01.394 --> 00:44:02.614 I actually made that for Greg's. 756 00:44:02.734 --> 00:44:04.555 That was a commission for Greg's. 757 00:44:04.815 --> 00:44:05.315 Oh, really? 758 00:44:05.335 --> 00:44:07.455 Yeah, both of them were a bag of flour and a bucket of water. 759 00:44:07.475 --> 00:44:08.796 They're both Greg's commissions. 760 00:44:11.316 --> 00:44:11.776 That's fantastic. 761 00:44:11.796 --> 00:44:13.037 I actually got paid to make them. 762 00:44:13.137 --> 00:44:13.877 That's fantastic. 763 00:44:13.917 --> 00:44:14.177 Yeah. 764 00:44:14.597 --> 00:44:15.777 Bag of flour is one of my favourites. 765 00:44:15.797 --> 00:44:19.198 Like I said, sometimes they don't work, but occasionally, like, 766 00:44:20.907 --> 00:44:27.388 I just found I was just lucky those samples were great those people were great I had rushes of I had two hours of like 767 00:44:28.734 --> 00:44:51.299 footage of those guys just talking about the jobs and it was just perfect for that kind of thing yeah especially the bag of flour fella he was brilliant uh so yeah that that was when a commission worked perfectly there's been a few like that that have worked really well but that one yeah it was great because the um because you've also got like little trilogies of like works in there like you know like the arnie trilogy of like jungle all the way bring it back to the carpet all those ones 768 00:44:51.879 --> 00:45:19.471 which is so funny and I remember bringing it back to the carpet that was like a video that you'd had in your back pocket for a couple of years and then thought oh I'll put this one out do you have many in your back pocket that are unreleased yeah I've got a few a lot of them are a bit crap but like sometimes like I said I burn out and I think I'll run out of ideas I'll get stuck so I'll put them on the back burner I've got loads like that they're just not finished yeah 769 00:45:19.902 --> 00:45:25.234 I try and finish everything, but obviously, sometimes I just, like, it's not gonna, that's not gonna happen. 770 00:45:25.254 --> 00:45:27.379 But sometimes, I look back and stuff I've got in the, 771 00:45:27.830 --> 00:45:31.493 on the hard drive or whatever, on the archive, and it's like, actually, it's all right, that. 772 00:45:31.513 --> 00:45:32.494 Stick it out. 773 00:45:32.554 --> 00:45:34.536 I've got loads of stuff that's like half-baked. 774 00:45:35.096 --> 00:45:38.058 So yeah, I just need to go back, finish some stuff really. 775 00:45:38.619 --> 00:45:45.184 But like I said, the moment I'm looking for work and kind of, I'm doing my house because my house is falling apart. 776 00:45:45.645 --> 00:45:47.746 Ceiling's leaking, everything's fucked. 777 00:45:48.147 --> 00:45:52.490 So I've got to like, sort my house out, sort my life out and then get back to work. 778 00:45:52.510 --> 00:45:54.492 That's what I'm kind of, that's the plan. 779 00:45:55.515 --> 00:46:23.332 and are you going to be planning to carry on with the sample like you know in that area yeah I'm trying to just try and carry on doing what I've been doing for the past 20 years I just want to you know bits of commissions here and there bits of work and then my own stuff in between that's the dream if I can make that happen I've managed to do it for 20 years like but like I'm saying it's a different landscape now since leaving Joe I've come out open the door and it's like completely different 780 00:46:24.811 --> 00:46:27.012 It's not a wasteland exactly, but it's like, it's different. 781 00:46:27.632 --> 00:46:29.472 There's less work out there, so we'll see. 782 00:46:29.832 --> 00:46:32.833 Might have to go back to painting and decorating, but that's fine. 783 00:46:33.293 --> 00:46:35.794 Well, I remember when Bowery Biscuit Base came out. 784 00:46:35.814 --> 00:46:39.074 I think that was when you were still doing, like, you know, painting and decorating. 785 00:46:39.134 --> 00:46:45.376 I remember you saying that, like, you'd like decorating a room, and then you checked the stats on the video, and it had gone up by like 5,000 or something. 786 00:46:45.396 --> 00:46:46.296 You were like, holy crap. 787 00:46:46.356 --> 00:46:46.796 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 788 00:46:46.816 --> 00:46:48.577 That was the moment where it was like- I used to come on the radio. 789 00:46:48.597 --> 00:46:50.417 I was plastering the ceiling with my mate. 790 00:46:50.437 --> 00:46:51.917 I used to come on the radio. 791 00:46:51.977 --> 00:46:53.318 I'm like, fuck, you know what? 792 00:46:54.398 --> 00:47:12.752 fuck he never said my name though the whole time he played that's annoying yeah he never said who played it who made it but whatever but he used to come on every day I was like what the fuck is going on this is bizarre and then again shoveling shit and fucking plastering and painting and stuff it was a weird weird time 793 00:47:13.793 --> 00:47:19.836 And it was the, am I right in thinking that the, because another one of your sort of great videos is Trump versus Talking Heads. 794 00:47:20.116 --> 00:47:20.336 Right. 795 00:47:20.456 --> 00:47:22.377 Am I right in thinking that was a Joe project? 796 00:47:22.537 --> 00:47:31.180 No, that was, I worked at Sky for about a year doing similar things like political, you know, mashup things. 797 00:47:33.802 --> 00:47:36.464 And that came to an end, like, after about a year. 798 00:47:37.205 --> 00:47:41.168 But that was something I was going to do for Sky. 799 00:47:42.148 --> 00:47:42.909 And it never happened. 800 00:47:43.649 --> 00:47:48.373 Because I got, I don't know, the contract ran out. 801 00:47:49.374 --> 00:47:50.735 So I just made it for myself. 802 00:47:52.116 --> 00:47:53.457 That's the only kind of political thing. 803 00:47:53.797 --> 00:47:55.078 Maybe there's a couple of them are. 804 00:47:55.098 --> 00:47:57.120 But I thought I'd put that online anyway. 805 00:47:57.400 --> 00:47:58.280 Just I thought it was funny. 806 00:47:58.320 --> 00:47:59.021 And it's kind of like, 807 00:48:00.985 --> 00:48:04.600 You know, it's not, obviously Trump's a fucking maniac. 808 00:48:04.780 --> 00:48:06.005 That's what I was trying to point out. 809 00:48:06.066 --> 00:48:06.427 It wasn't. 810 00:48:08.393 --> 00:48:10.374 a lot of people have got the wrong end of the stick with that video. 811 00:48:10.394 --> 00:48:10.974 Have you noticed? 812 00:48:11.054 --> 00:48:13.514 Like people are going, they think it's pro Trump. 813 00:48:13.734 --> 00:48:14.174 Oh really? 814 00:48:14.334 --> 00:48:16.355 And I didn't see that in the comments. 815 00:48:16.395 --> 00:48:17.055 Yeah. 816 00:48:17.815 --> 00:48:22.877 It's bizarre how you, your own, your kind of mindset makes you see something differently. 817 00:48:23.477 --> 00:48:25.137 People see whatever they want to see in it. 818 00:48:25.457 --> 00:48:36.060 It's bizarre, but I like, yeah, I think it's, I think it's fine to put that on my channel because it's, I think it's, 819 00:48:37.636 --> 00:48:42.679 I don't know, I hope it doesn't predict the future, but there's a bit where it goes, oh my God, what have I done? 820 00:48:42.719 --> 00:48:48.343 I was thinking, I was worried about what was going to happen with Trump in power, basically. 821 00:48:48.623 --> 00:48:49.184 It was about that. 822 00:48:49.744 --> 00:48:52.486 So I picked that song. 823 00:48:53.306 --> 00:48:54.547 It did really well, so, you know. 824 00:48:55.253 --> 00:48:55.713 Yeah, it did. 825 00:48:55.733 --> 00:49:00.436 It's a great video and it speaks to the mania of that guy. 826 00:49:00.456 --> 00:49:01.756 Yeah, it's crazy. 827 00:49:01.796 --> 00:49:02.377 It's insane. 828 00:49:02.437 --> 00:49:10.081 I mean, because so many of your songs feature samples and remixes of things like Paul McCartney, you said, or Trump or Craig Wallace. 829 00:49:10.101 --> 00:49:16.824 I mean, have you ever sort of had word back, whether good or bad, from some of the people that you're parodying or remixing? 830 00:49:16.844 --> 00:49:20.406 Do you ever get anything back like that? 831 00:49:20.426 --> 00:49:22.607 Yeah, you'll get the occasional tweet. 832 00:49:24.300 --> 00:49:28.302 of like recognition, like Vanilla Ice tweeted the Vanilla Ice thing. 833 00:49:29.202 --> 00:49:29.683 Yeah. 834 00:49:29.943 --> 00:49:37.086 Arnie's like on Reddit has commented about Jungle All The Way, saying he was showing it to people around on whatever film set he was on. 835 00:49:38.163 --> 00:49:39.923 Art Schwarzenegger was the same guy. 836 00:49:40.523 --> 00:49:41.284 Yeah. 837 00:49:41.344 --> 00:49:44.904 There was this thing on Reddit where people asked him to say his favourite lines from films. 838 00:49:45.944 --> 00:49:49.165 Someone asked him to say to a camera, like, put that cookie down, so he did it. 839 00:49:49.645 --> 00:49:50.345 And someone linked. 840 00:49:50.785 --> 00:49:51.685 It wasn't actually my video. 841 00:49:51.725 --> 00:49:52.885 It was someone nicked it. 842 00:49:52.925 --> 00:49:53.906 You know, it's like on YouTube. 843 00:49:54.086 --> 00:49:54.306 Yeah. 844 00:49:54.806 --> 00:49:59.707 But he was going around and he said, I approve of this or whatever. 845 00:49:59.727 --> 00:50:02.647 And I was showing it to people around on set. 846 00:50:03.627 --> 00:50:04.107 What else? 847 00:50:04.467 --> 00:50:06.348 Yeah, it's just like little things like that. 848 00:50:06.368 --> 00:50:07.788 People, I think they end up seeing them. 849 00:50:08.354 --> 00:50:11.395 I don't think Jeremy Clarkson mentioned anything about that one. 850 00:50:11.935 --> 00:50:12.215 No. 851 00:50:13.115 --> 00:50:14.455 Yeah, but they do see him. 852 00:50:15.035 --> 00:50:16.375 I can't think off the top of my head. 853 00:50:16.975 --> 00:50:18.756 I feel like Paul McCartney would be all over that one. 854 00:50:18.776 --> 00:50:22.556 I mean, you end up... Yeah, no, McCartney didn't acknowledge it, unfortunately. 855 00:50:22.596 --> 00:50:24.657 Even though, like I said before, I think he sent that... 856 00:50:24.697 --> 00:50:28.617 I think I have that sample from him indirectly through one guy. 857 00:50:29.518 --> 00:50:30.458 But I don't know. 858 00:50:31.638 --> 00:50:32.538 But I love Paul McCartney. 859 00:50:32.558 --> 00:50:32.898 He's great. 860 00:50:32.918 --> 00:50:33.778 I don't care. 861 00:50:33.798 --> 00:50:34.238 I don't mind. 862 00:50:34.559 --> 00:50:35.159 He's amazing. 863 00:50:35.219 --> 00:50:35.659 He's a ledge. 864 00:50:35.819 --> 00:50:36.419 Absolutely a ledge. 865 00:50:36.639 --> 00:50:37.199 One person... 866 00:50:38.991 --> 00:50:39.732 I watched everything. 867 00:50:40.152 --> 00:50:41.693 Every interview he's ever done is the most... 868 00:50:42.594 --> 00:50:43.835 He's the same in every interview. 869 00:50:44.716 --> 00:50:45.376 That's who he is. 870 00:50:45.536 --> 00:50:46.317 He's just sound. 871 00:50:46.657 --> 00:50:48.479 He's just so consistent. 872 00:50:49.299 --> 00:50:49.920 Absolute ledge. 873 00:50:50.220 --> 00:50:51.141 Yeah, authentic. 874 00:50:51.563 --> 00:50:52.684 Yeah, that's who he is. 875 00:50:52.904 --> 00:50:54.405 He's brilliant. 876 00:50:54.465 --> 00:51:02.570 I want to say with Masterchef Sympathisia, that song, they soundtracked a whole stretch of one of the shows to that, right? 877 00:51:02.590 --> 00:51:06.092 There was a competition on the show with that song. 878 00:51:06.132 --> 00:51:07.793 That song was built into it in some ways. 879 00:51:07.833 --> 00:51:08.113 Is that right? 880 00:51:08.393 --> 00:51:09.234 Yeah, that was weird. 881 00:51:09.314 --> 00:51:10.274 They really took to that song. 882 00:51:10.554 --> 00:51:11.575 It was really weird, yeah. 883 00:51:11.755 --> 00:51:15.697 Yeah, the kind of... Yeah, of course, Masterchef were totally behind it. 884 00:51:16.958 --> 00:51:37.361 yeah there was talk of them doing it live and stuff and then I was like what are you doing John Terode was like we're not doing this live for comic relief they were going to get on stage and sing it I was like don't please don't please don't do that John Terode agreed and he said no it just doesn't the whole part of it's funny is because it's we're not intentionally singing it blah blah blah yeah 885 00:51:37.842 --> 00:51:44.271 But yeah, they did a whole, I think it was a final of one of the series of MasterChef where they spun it. 886 00:51:45.253 --> 00:51:46.855 But yeah, I was watching that and that was surreal. 887 00:51:47.476 --> 00:51:48.678 What the fuck is going on? 888 00:51:49.419 --> 00:51:50.481 What a weird timeline. 889 00:51:50.941 --> 00:51:52.203 Aye, aye. 890 00:51:53.084 --> 00:51:59.749 But it's funny because you say, like, talk about music and live music because I want to say Cassette Boy, they've done a few live events over the years. 891 00:51:59.789 --> 00:52:03.031 They've done things at Glastonbury and up at Edinburgh, the Fringe. 892 00:52:03.051 --> 00:52:10.316 I mean, have you ever thought about doing your music on the road in any way, live, or is it purely something that you do for YouTube, for, you know, digital? 893 00:52:10.336 --> 00:52:11.016 Do you have any thoughts? 894 00:52:11.056 --> 00:52:11.937 Yeah, I've thought about it. 895 00:52:11.957 --> 00:52:14.178 Just try and, like, get a show together, I suppose. 896 00:52:14.198 --> 00:52:16.320 I might try and do it now, like... 897 00:52:18.121 --> 00:52:42.995 see if I can do some gigs it's just a bit, I always thought what do you do, you just kind of stand there it's all sequenced, I'm not playing anything it's all just programmed so I'll just go press a button I don't know, I'll have to come up with some kind of set or maybe I can, I don't know thinking about it, I've thought about it for years but it's always, so it's got in the way like the job, Joe or something so it's always come in the way of me doing it, but now yeah, maybe maybe 898 00:52:43.363 --> 00:52:45.184 I guess it would be quite similar to DJing. 899 00:52:45.504 --> 00:52:46.144 Yeah, yeah. 900 00:52:46.404 --> 00:52:48.725 Like I say, get its new laptop, see what it can do. 901 00:52:48.865 --> 00:52:53.608 I think Serato can mix video now, so it's been out of the day for years, I think. 902 00:52:53.648 --> 00:52:56.129 But yeah, maybe there's something in that. 903 00:52:56.149 --> 00:52:57.349 All right, all right. 904 00:52:57.709 --> 00:53:00.971 And do you have any sort of ideas for future videos? 905 00:53:00.991 --> 00:53:04.332 Are there any particular people or samples that you're particularly excited about? 906 00:53:04.392 --> 00:53:06.133 I mean, like you say, you don't look for it. 907 00:53:06.193 --> 00:53:10.435 It emerges, but is there anyone that's kind of piquing your curiosity for doing something? 908 00:53:10.621 --> 00:53:11.181 I've got a few ideas. 909 00:53:11.201 --> 00:53:14.044 I don't really want to talk about... 910 00:53:14.124 --> 00:53:14.704 It's weird. 911 00:53:14.845 --> 00:53:20.730 So when I vocalise what I'm thinking in my head, it's a bit like it sounds ridiculous. 912 00:53:20.850 --> 00:53:22.871 And it makes me... 913 00:53:22.891 --> 00:53:27.555 When I put it in concept with reality, it's like, wow, it sounds stupid. 914 00:53:27.595 --> 00:53:28.836 And then I lose momentum. 915 00:53:29.157 --> 00:53:33.620 So I like to keep everything just totally in my head until it's done. 916 00:53:33.660 --> 00:53:35.442 I don't talk about what I'm doing... 917 00:53:36.558 --> 00:53:39.620 I don't really mention it to anyone what I'm doing because it just sounds so stupid. 918 00:53:40.340 --> 00:53:42.501 I double think about something, I'll stop. 919 00:53:42.922 --> 00:53:44.843 And I'll go, oh, what am I doing? 920 00:53:44.863 --> 00:53:45.803 That's stupid. 921 00:53:45.823 --> 00:53:49.866 So I just keep it to myself until it's done. 922 00:53:49.946 --> 00:53:52.347 And then I'll put it online and go. 923 00:53:54.786 --> 00:54:08.467 hopefully people like it so you know by the time i finished them i'm like what you know i've said what am i doing and it seems so ridiculous i've spent months on this thing and then yeah so i don't yeah i don't i don't really say what's in the pipeline 924 00:54:09.308 --> 00:54:20.296 I was going to say about the live music, because I just remember that, because I was watching back the Joe compilation that you did in 2017, which is a lot of that political comedy, all the Brexit stuff, Cameron, all that stuff. 925 00:54:20.576 --> 00:54:29.623 And I was thinking this would almost be a fantastic medley to play at a nightclub, because it's all remixes of different rap songs and pop songs with these guys. 926 00:54:30.023 --> 00:54:32.324 I think so many places would snap that up. 927 00:54:32.344 --> 00:54:33.866 They'd be like, oh, that's brilliant. 928 00:54:34.386 --> 00:54:36.688 The problem with politics is it goes out of date, doesn't it? 929 00:54:36.888 --> 00:54:37.028 Aye. 930 00:54:37.048 --> 00:54:37.128 Aye. 931 00:54:37.528 --> 00:55:01.876 it goes out of date soon it's like newspapers in it it's just if you do anything current like that it's not got the kind of not as evergreen as something that's just like master chef then again that's kind of it's been cancelled now and so you know uh yeah i don't know i don't think i could play those out live like i said it's polo i don't like bringing politics into 932 00:55:03.449 --> 00:55:05.250 It creates arguments and stuff, doesn't it? 933 00:55:05.270 --> 00:55:06.390 I've played that at a nightclub. 934 00:55:06.510 --> 00:55:11.593 It's funny now because it's like in the past, but at the time you'd get people arguing and stuff. 935 00:55:11.653 --> 00:55:14.214 It's just so toxic, isn't it? 936 00:55:14.254 --> 00:55:16.355 You don't want to bring Twitter into a nightclub, do you? 937 00:55:17.495 --> 00:55:17.955 Carnage. 938 00:55:18.255 --> 00:55:21.457 No, yeah, people will stop dancing and start knocking the shit out of each other. 939 00:55:21.477 --> 00:55:22.357 Yeah, they start arguing. 940 00:55:22.757 --> 00:55:22.997 Yeah. 941 00:55:23.318 --> 00:55:28.960 You were saying earlier about how, like, in terms of the future, you know, it's going to be, you know, you want to keep doing what you're doing. 942 00:55:29.490 --> 00:55:33.373 And sort of producing more great work and getting it out there. 943 00:55:33.393 --> 00:55:36.096 I mean, is that the... Because you were saying about how YouTube has changed. 944 00:55:36.136 --> 00:55:39.499 It's become more about, I guess, the business and the algorithm. 945 00:55:39.519 --> 00:55:42.821 I mean, are you planning to try and push Sweet Mason, take that to the next level? 946 00:55:42.942 --> 00:55:48.626 Or is it more just like, is it going to be just something that you do for fun as well as... Yeah, I don't know really. 947 00:55:48.646 --> 00:55:50.108 It is up in the air at the moment. 948 00:55:50.668 --> 00:55:53.150 Because if I can't make money off it, I can't. 949 00:55:56.694 --> 00:55:58.916 I can't pay my mortgage and I can't feed my kids. 950 00:55:59.416 --> 00:56:00.457 So it depends. 951 00:56:00.917 --> 00:56:03.700 It's in limbo. 952 00:56:04.200 --> 00:56:07.763 If I get some work, I can balance the two things. 953 00:56:07.823 --> 00:56:08.624 It's tricky. 954 00:56:09.164 --> 00:56:10.485 It is really tricky. 955 00:56:10.525 --> 00:56:16.130 YouTube, trying to get monetised on YouTube is almost impossible. 956 00:56:16.530 --> 00:56:19.893 I don't make the kind of content that will bring you enough money on YouTube. 957 00:56:21.254 --> 00:56:22.395 I can't do it regularly enough. 958 00:56:23.154 --> 00:56:26.018 You know, like influencers are putting stuff out practically every day. 959 00:56:26.298 --> 00:56:28.761 And, you know, that's how you monetize. 960 00:56:29.622 --> 00:56:36.030 And that's what the whole thing is set up to like benefit, set up to benefit influencers. 961 00:56:36.090 --> 00:56:37.832 And I'm not, I don't see, I'm not an influencer. 962 00:56:38.333 --> 00:56:42.538 So it's like, I ain't ever going to be able to make money off YouTube that way, I don't think. 963 00:56:43.266 --> 00:56:44.186 Patreon maybe. 964 00:56:45.187 --> 00:56:47.568 But then again, getting enough patrons is also tricky. 965 00:56:47.588 --> 00:56:49.349 But thanks to the patrons, by the way. 966 00:56:49.909 --> 00:56:52.150 Bought me the new computer. 967 00:56:52.530 --> 00:56:53.470 I don't know, really. 968 00:56:53.510 --> 00:56:54.251 I'm just going to crack on. 969 00:56:54.291 --> 00:56:55.891 I've said I've been doing it 20 years. 970 00:56:55.911 --> 00:56:58.653 I've just blagged it all the way. 971 00:56:58.733 --> 00:57:00.914 So let's carry on with the blag. 972 00:57:01.094 --> 00:57:02.574 There's nothing much more I can do. 973 00:57:02.634 --> 00:57:04.635 It's like maybe a live set. 974 00:57:04.655 --> 00:57:05.055 I don't know. 975 00:57:05.135 --> 00:57:05.476 I don't know. 976 00:57:05.496 --> 00:57:08.277 I really don't know in terms of monetizing it. 977 00:57:08.977 --> 00:57:09.538 Maybe live. 978 00:57:09.898 --> 00:57:12.181 Maybe I'm just going to carry on going. 979 00:57:12.962 --> 00:57:15.124 Painting, decorating in between and working in pubs. 980 00:57:15.525 --> 00:57:15.985 I don't know. 981 00:57:16.466 --> 00:57:16.866 I don't know. 982 00:57:16.886 --> 00:57:19.690 It really is up in the air at the moment. 983 00:57:19.730 --> 00:57:21.952 Literally crooks time. 984 00:57:22.272 --> 00:57:22.593 So... 985 00:57:23.399 --> 00:57:35.081 Well, I for one, I mean, every time I see one of your videos pop into my YouTube, I'm always excited, you know, and it's just the fact that you've been able to make it, like you say, it has for 20 years, you've been able to make it work and produce so much great stuff. 986 00:57:35.362 --> 00:57:35.722 Yeah. 987 00:57:35.902 --> 00:57:36.642 It is fantastic. 988 00:57:36.662 --> 00:57:39.942 And I think, yeah, I take my hat off to you because it's not as someone who is, who's also. 989 00:57:39.962 --> 00:57:40.523 I can't believe it. 990 00:57:40.543 --> 00:57:41.743 I can't believe I've managed to pull it off. 991 00:57:41.963 --> 00:57:42.183 Yeah. 992 00:57:42.223 --> 00:57:42.703 This far. 993 00:57:43.443 --> 00:57:44.783 Hopefully another 20 years, you know. 994 00:57:45.404 --> 00:57:45.484 Aye. 995 00:57:46.564 --> 00:57:47.424 Let's just, let's just. 996 00:57:48.795 --> 00:57:50.577 Keep going, just keep going. 997 00:57:51.298 --> 00:57:54.662 Get some work, make more videos, whatever. 998 00:57:56.104 --> 00:57:57.085 I just need inspiration. 999 00:57:57.125 --> 00:57:59.187 I'm always hungry for ideas. 1000 00:58:00.289 --> 00:58:02.572 I need constant ideas. 1001 00:58:02.652 --> 00:58:04.334 It's just like that. 1002 00:58:05.014 --> 00:58:07.958 If the well's dry, ideas-wise, you're knackered. 1003 00:58:08.431 --> 00:58:09.572 But I've got plenty of ideas. 1004 00:58:09.632 --> 00:58:12.833 It's just getting time to make them and almost being able to finance your hobby. 1005 00:58:12.893 --> 00:58:13.934 It's basically what I'm doing. 1006 00:58:13.954 --> 00:58:16.275 I financed it for the past 20 years, really. 1007 00:58:17.035 --> 00:58:21.678 It's not really brought in... You know, the actual YouTube hasn't brought in any money itself. 1008 00:58:22.418 --> 00:58:25.160 Other work on the side has, like the Joe stuff and what have you. 1009 00:58:25.780 --> 00:58:27.501 But the YouTube, no, I've not really made. 1010 00:58:29.203 --> 00:58:30.805 Yeah, mate, fuck off from that, I'm not going to lie. 1011 00:58:32.227 --> 00:58:33.308 But it's still going, so. 1012 00:58:33.629 --> 00:58:35.551 Still going, and people still watching. 1013 00:58:35.571 --> 00:58:36.713 Yeah, yeah, that's great. 1014 00:58:36.913 --> 00:58:37.794 Thank you, people. 1015 00:58:38.615 --> 00:58:39.116 No, thank you. 1016 00:58:39.376 --> 00:58:39.937 Thank you, mate. 1017 00:58:39.957 --> 00:58:45.004 No, honestly, like I say, Chris, Swede, sir, yeah, long may it continue, as I say. 1018 00:58:45.024 --> 00:58:47.146 I mean, I am excited to hear that, like, yeah, I know that you're... 1019 00:58:47.867 --> 00:58:52.870 you don't like talking about sort of different ideas that you might have, but it's good to say that you've still got the passion for the work. 1020 00:58:53.010 --> 00:58:56.012 Oh, yeah, the passion is just, yes, it's obsession. 1021 00:58:56.172 --> 00:58:57.773 It's like I have to do it. 1022 00:58:58.493 --> 00:59:06.878 It's just I've got to be doing something like creative, whether it's like music or, you know, video or anything. 1023 00:59:06.918 --> 00:59:07.978 I've just got to be doing it. 1024 00:59:08.058 --> 00:59:11.140 So, you know, I'll always be doing it by hook or by crook. 1025 00:59:11.820 --> 00:59:15.602 But whether it brings in enough cash to do it regularly, we'll see. 1026 00:59:15.803 --> 00:59:16.163 We'll see. 1027 00:59:16.783 --> 00:59:17.163 Hopefully. 1028 00:59:17.384 --> 00:59:17.964 Fantastic. 1029 00:59:18.044 --> 00:59:19.185 Well, long may it continue. 1030 00:59:19.305 --> 00:59:21.326 So thanks so much for coming on the pod, mate. 1031 00:59:21.346 --> 00:59:23.508 This was such a great pleasure to chat to you. 1032 00:59:23.528 --> 00:59:24.628 Thanks for having me, mate. 1033 00:59:24.648 --> 00:59:25.549 Thanks for having me. 1034 00:59:25.569 --> 00:59:26.489 Thanks for coming on. 1035 00:59:26.810 --> 00:59:31.473 And also just to hear about your workflow alone and how you made those videos is just, you know... 1036 00:59:32.453 --> 00:59:33.714 I'd always wondered about that. 1037 00:59:33.854 --> 00:59:34.975 So just to hear you talk about it. 1038 00:59:34.995 --> 00:59:35.455 Now you know. 1039 00:59:35.636 --> 00:59:36.096 Now you know. 1040 00:59:36.116 --> 00:59:37.077 It's just graft. 1041 00:59:37.177 --> 00:59:38.758 It's just simply, it's just hard work. 1042 00:59:38.778 --> 00:59:40.959 Yeah, there's no secret techniques, really. 1043 00:59:41.159 --> 00:59:43.281 It's just, you've just got to want to do it. 1044 00:59:43.901 --> 00:59:48.204 Well, just to hear you talk about it and take us through the stuff you've done and your process, it's just been fantastic. 1045 00:59:48.224 --> 00:59:49.065 So thanks so much again. 1046 00:59:49.685 --> 00:59:50.246 Cheers, Billy. 1047 00:59:50.546 --> 00:59:50.966 Cheers, mate. 1048 00:59:50.986 --> 00:59:51.387 Nice one. 1049 01:00:01.699 --> 01:00:06.660 Hey everyone, thanks so much for listening to my chat with Chris, aka Swede Mason. 1050 01:00:07.221 --> 01:00:09.961 Remember to like and subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode. 1051 01:00:10.342 --> 01:00:17.144 And check out our YouTube memberships where you can watch the full uncut version of my conversation with Chris with 15 more minutes of extra chat. 1052 01:00:17.624 --> 01:00:21.745 Stay tuned for more exciting interviews and guests coming soon on Half the Picture.