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Have you ever been disappointed because, honestly, you had an expectation that wasn't met?

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Welcome to this week's episode of Living Influence.

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I'm your host, Scott Boyd, alongside with my friend and mentor, Bill Frill.

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Hey, Scott.

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We're going to talk about freedom.

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Yes.

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And so we're talking about freedom.

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alongside these concepts of expectations that we have.

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Right before we started rolling the cameras, Bill and I were having a conversation about, do you think the problem is that people don't realize they have expectations inside of them that they've never acknowledged?

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Or is it they've had expectations inside of them, but they never feel like they can let someone know that they have that expectation?

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Or I'm a Christian.

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And somehow I got the idea that I don't have the rights to expectations.

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Somehow, do I have the right to have expectations?

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And you're supposed to die to yourself.

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Exactly.

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Yeah, whatever.

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Yeah, don't get me started on that one.

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But anyway, the reality is this.

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Expectations are actually like feelings.

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They're always neutral.

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So it's not wrong to have an expectation.

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It's not wrong to have a feeling.

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Can't avoid it.

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By the way, you cannot avoid having expectations.

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They are innately part of who you are.

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As we go through life, we create expectations, very carefully I'm going to say this, for ourselves and others.

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I've learned that there are three primary sources of my being wounded.

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Three primary sources.

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Okay.

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Number one, whatever it is you chose to do against me.

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Okay.

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That really wounds me.

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Number two, what I chose to do that really screws me up.

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And the third one that we send to as Christians talk the least about is the disappointment and the pain of unmet expectations.

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I'm meeting with a couple right now.

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They're in their 50s.

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He came to see me to talk with me about his marriage, and this is okay.

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He clearly, clearly spent that first hour or whatever it was just laying out all these expectations he had.

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And in the process of time, I invited we, he and I invited his wife to join us.

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It was so interesting.

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She didn't even know what we had talked about.

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And I know them.

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And I said to her, you know, we just invited you because we want to talk about.

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She said, I know what you want to talk about.

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I said, you do?

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She says, you want to talk about all of his expectations?

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She said, she says, so do I, because I can't live with them all.

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Here's what we need to kind of come to grips with.

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How do I live into a relationship?

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Where we trust another enough to be honest about what our expectations are.

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And I always say at that moment, one of the things we have to be careful to be protected from is when we make our expectations right.

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That's where we get into a whole bunch of trouble.

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Because the minute I declare that my expectation of you is right, I have the need to defend being right.

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And I just created the groundwork for a great argument.

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Paul's got a little statement in Galatians where he talks about the weak and worthless elementary principles of the world.

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And I really think he is talking about, we use this concept of right and wrong.

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Right.

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And we get in an argument with each other about right and wrong.

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And it isn't about right and wrong at all.

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Good for you.

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That's the nail right there.

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We're hitting that on the head right now.

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How do I create with you a safe place for us

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to honestly talk through with each other the expectations we have.

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How does a young couple entering marriage find a time and a consultant or a counselor or a dear friend where they can talk about what has been pent up in them since they were a little child that somehow are going to come out of them involuntarily, it seems like always the wrong moments, when things are heated up?

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But what if we were wise enough, instead of waiting to those moments of conflict, what if we could sit down together and talk about our expectations?

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If you as a couple struggle with the disappointments of unmet expectations, I'm going to give you a different thing to think about.

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I'd like you to sit down together and just do this exercise.

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What are, here are the key words here, what are our expectations?

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Expectations for our marriage.

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Not what are my expectations of you,

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that I'm going to defend to be right, and what are your expectations of me?

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And I can tell immediately you're disappointed with me again.

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Take the me out of it and create a we.

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A we, what do we would like the expectations to be for our marriage?

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It is amazing the difference in that, Scott, because when they sit together with a we—

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They will actually face the same expectations they had of each other.

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But now they're doing it in the context of we.

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So they actually could talk about them.

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And they do talk about them.

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When you make that slice switch...

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I want you guys to sit down and both of you write down your expectations of each other.

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And you switch it.

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And you go, okay, I want you to both together write down your expectations for our marriage.

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So you do this communal.

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Your experience is they still write down all their expectations they had for each other.

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But now they're doing it.

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Because we've taken the spiritual, selfish word out of the game.

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And we can say them.

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And they do.

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And they do, yeah.

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And I always give them, you know, when you're doing this, you have to call time out.

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Because every once in a while, like that couple, he gets so pent up and gets so void, he just overwhelms her.

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So I just say to them, you have to call time out.

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Well, what do you mean call time out?

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You're not listening.

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You're not hearing right now.

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Call time out.

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I love this part because I've been doing it for years.

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And I say, I want you to call timeout.

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And then whoever feels the pressure right now that I'm being overwhelmed by you needing to be right, you get to call timeout.

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But what you get to do in calling timeout is you reach over and you touch your mate.

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And they'll go, I don't want to touch him right then.

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I'm mad.

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And I know that's why I want you to touch him.

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I want to bring it back to the relationship, not to the issue.

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You keep bringing it back to the relationship and together you'll start to face the issue.

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One of the models.

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that's being used in a lot of Christian environments is we're married and my wife has issues and I have issues.

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And therefore, she's got to go to somebody, get her issues taken care of.

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I got to go to somebody, take my issues taken care of.

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So what we do is we separate from each other to deal with our issues, so to speak.

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And I say to them, I don't like that model.

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Do you know what God did?

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He made you one.

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Do you know when he made you one that her issues are now your issues, that your issues are now her issues?

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Why don't you figure out how to do the we?

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So what happens is we create a false expectation.

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I'm very careful here.

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We create a false expectation.

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Our relationship would be better if you would just get your issues taken care of.

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And until you do, I'm going to be like this.

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Stop that.

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Create a different expectation.

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Create a biblical, grounded-in-God expectation.

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How do we learn to live as one?

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But I just, I love blaming you for all your issues.

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I love it because that gives me a whole bunch of excuses to avoid you.

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But this guy Bill, he's saying, wait a minute, what if I came over and touched you?

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Because couples sometimes actually listen to me.

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Put your pinky out.

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I've had couples do this.

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Because I said, Okay.

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It was a touch.

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I touched it.

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I touched it.

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We did what Bill said.

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Because what happens is

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When our expectations are creating a conflict, we want to declare being right.

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And any time in any relationship where I feel the need to be right, I am doing something.

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I am separating myself from you while we deal with your behavior.

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That's the tragedy.

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So do I have expectations?

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I do.

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I do.

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I have expectations that I know now are going to be expressed in a variety of ways.

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The best way that I can express them is to tell the person, but I do have expectations.

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Now, Bill Thrault, be careful, because I have the expectation, have I learned enough about grace that

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to be able to say to whoever, to my friend Scott, Scott, I'd like to talk to you about this expectation.

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Here are the key words.

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You know what?

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I may be wrong, but I have to express it to you.

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Can you hear what I'm saying?

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How do you feel?

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But when I make my expectation a demand, I can promise you a defense.

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I say to a lot of people, every time you're in a relationship with someone,

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And you get a reaction, I can promise you an unmet expectation just took place.

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Mm-hmm.

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Reaction in a relationship is always the evidence of an expectation not met.

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You know what a response is?

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The evidence of an expectation met.

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Mm-hmm.

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So in our relationships, as we think through this huge thing of freedom, what if we had the freedom in our relationships of trust to express our expectations and then to process together the disappointment we experience when our expectation's not bad?

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See, because in a relationship, when you get a reaction—

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Or when I get a reaction from you, you know what I do?

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I react to your reaction.

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Oh, yeah.

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And then what you do is you react to the fact that I reacted to your reaction.

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Now we're in a full-blown argument, and neither one of us can remember what we're arguing about.

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But we're just both mad.

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So I want to just repeat part of this.

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We have expectations.

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They are not in and of themselves right or wrong.

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Never make an expectation a right because it will always create a conflict.

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But look for in a relationship.

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We already talked about this.

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Look for in a relationship permission to express that expectation.

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But always with this in mind, you know, I have this expectation.

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What do you think about that?

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How do you feel that I have this expectation about you and about us?

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Well, could we talk about it?

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I can almost promise anyone, I can promise you that if you would sit with the key people in your life and talk to them about the expectations you have—

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of them, in the context of you may not be right, you will have gained an audience.

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Yeah, I think hidden expectations, we don't feel comfortable to express them.

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And so we have hidden expectations.

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They continue to get not met.

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And I continue to get disappointed.

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Breeds for dysfunction.

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Breeds for me thinking maybe something's wrong with me.

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that my expectation isn't met.

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Or me being convinced there's really something wrong.

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Or maybe it was something, or I judge.

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Maybe there's something really wrong.

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You're saying it.

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You're saying it's very well.

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You end up in either place.

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And the key is to realize, oh, wait, I'm disappointed because I have an expectation.

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Let me bring that into the light.

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Ah.

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Yeah, and guess what?

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It's going to be hard.

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But I want to just be fair to everybody.

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The things we talk about here are not easy.

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We have not, most of us, have not grown up in relationships and environments where we have been able to express even our disappointments.

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And so you were talking about these hidden expectations.

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Do you know what?

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They always come out, even though we don't say them.

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You know how they get out?

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In our reactions.

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And the other person having to deal with the reaction—

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but they don't know what they did that disappointed you because you never told them.

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This idea of, wow, so now the guy who's talking, I'm very careful in my key relationships to really talk through my expectations.

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I'm very careful.

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You know that about me.

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You do that with me.

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I do.

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And the reason we're doing that is because of what we're sharing right now.

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Because I have lived in the environment, especially growing up, where, oh my gosh, you guys, it is really hard to live in a family where you never get to express your disappointment.

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Yeah.

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Because the family is so unhealthy that disappointment creates blame, and blame creates defense, and defense creates right.

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And so you just cycle through the misbehavior for years and years and years until, by God's grace, a character like me gets the privilege of having a woman like Grace love him.

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I really believe that I fell in love with Grace before she fell in love with me.

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Kind of scared me.

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because I knew I was in love with her, but I was afraid that she may not fall in love with me, and then what do I do?

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Did you say, I love you, first?

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I did.

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Okay.

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And was that scary?

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Oh, my gosh.

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It was horrifically terrifying.

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Terrifying.

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Because I wasn't sure I'd get the love back.

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Yeah.

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So I remember very clearly, I never, I didn't have enough money for a car, so I took the bus from my brother's house to Grace's house.

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And I remember the night that Grace told me she loved me.

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And I knew what that meant to us.

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And at least in our generation, for a young woman to say she loved me, that meant she was going to marry me.

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It was like, well, I'm committed to you, Bill.

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And I remember kind of bouncing down the street to the bus stop.

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And I got on the bus.

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And I had this overwhelming sense of joy that the expectation that I had that this woman would actually love me and that we were going to get married, I was just, I was bubbling with joy.

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So I get on a bus and sitting across, right behind the bus driver is this large woman.

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And the bus driver is this large, he told me he's Italian, this large Italian man.

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And so I told them about this.

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I wish that bus ride had been recorded because I started to tell them about this girl.

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And they had some of the best marriage advice for me you could have ever imagined.

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And we talked about life and about marriage and about family.

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And we laughed.

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And this is the interesting part of the trip.

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It took 40 minutes to get from that bus stop to way south of Milwaukee where my brother lived.

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And nobody else got on the bus.

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We just stopped, nobody get on.

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And for whatever it was, 30, 40 minutes, I just spent, I say to some audience, I hope they're both in heaven.

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I just want to rehearse it with them because it was such a special time.

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I experienced a lot of wounding as a child, so I wasn't sure I'd ever be loved well.

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So I had an expectation that someday somebody would love me.

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And when Grace told me she did, I get really emotional right now because when she told me she did, a great expectation of my life.

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But something else happened in me in those moments down the street to the bus stop.

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At that moment, I, in those moments, and I told Grace all of this, but in those moments, this is a voice of God that I heard.

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Bill, I've given you grace, my wife, to be.

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And I went, that just gets me really much, but I went, God.

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Do you mean, I mean so much to you that you would actually allow me to have a woman like Grace for a wife?

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Wow.

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That's how deeply touched I was.

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Yeah.

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Now, I say that as an encouragement.

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How do we help people get out of the entrapments

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of living in relationships where it's always a me and never a we.

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How do we get people to move into a we dynamic?

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So the disappointments from unmet expectations have an opportunity to be expressed.

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So we can discover the freedom.

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Here's the deal.

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Deal number 97.

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But here's the deal.

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I don't ever say to somebody, well, I want to teach you how to live without disappointments.

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No, that's stupid.

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No, what I want to do is, how do I help you?

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learn to have the freedom to face the disappointments that you experience because of unmet expectations.

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That's the message of grace.

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The message of grace is never, well, you're not going to fail.

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The message of grace is that you're never not going to sin.

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No, the message of grace is, I'm going to give you an answer to the greatest causes of pain in you, and my name is God.

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Would you let me?

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That's beautiful.

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Amen.

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I got one story to tell you.

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Please.

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So I'm in courtship with my new wife.

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Or, you know, I don't know.

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We're just talking on the phone all the time.

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And so I'm talking to her on the phone, and I'm beginning to fall for her.

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I'm loving her personality.

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I'm loving her story.

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I know her family.

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She had left me a message.

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Oh, wow.

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And at the end of the message, she says, that's all I got.

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Bye-bye.

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I love you.

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And then hung up.

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And I listened to the message.

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And I'm like, oh, my gosh.

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She loved me.

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Great story.

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And I'm like so excited.

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And I'm really, I think she slipped up, you know.

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And just that slipped out because she does love me.

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And then I discover later on she does that with everyone.

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Wow.

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She hadn't turned the corner yet, but I thought she had.

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So anyway, just with your story, Grant.

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Okay, great for you.

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Good for you.

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But God led you to her and with her.

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Look at the precious life you have.

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Oh, and we— Look at your precious life.

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Yes, and we regularly have conversations about expectations.

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Good.

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You know, like something happened.

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Somebody reacted.

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Right.

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We circle back.

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Can we talk about that reaction?

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Excellent.

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And we begin to dive deeper and understand each other.

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It's been amazing.

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It is amazing.

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Yeah.

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And to me, it continues to be the evidence of your health.

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Yeah.

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Thank you.

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Thank you, God.

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Yeah.

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Thank you, God.

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All right.

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So that's it for Expectations and Freedom this week.

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