WEBVTT 1 00:00:03.027 --> 00:00:12.457 Welcome to Worldview Matters, discussing controversial issues, discerning current events, defending biblical Christianity. 2 00:00:13.178 --> 00:00:15.080 No topic, off limits. 3 00:00:16.021 --> 00:00:19.284 And now, here's your host, David Fiorazzo. 4 00:00:20.358 --> 00:00:22.820 Friends, family in Christ, thank you so much for tuning in. 5 00:00:22.900 --> 00:00:23.640 God bless you. 6 00:00:23.660 --> 00:00:25.522 We appreciate you sharing the podcast. 7 00:00:25.542 --> 00:00:27.683 We've got our friend Olivier Melnick back with us. 8 00:00:28.304 --> 00:00:29.564 And I've got some exciting news. 9 00:00:29.584 --> 00:00:33.987 You know, he was in Green Bay, Wisconsin this year for the Worldview Matters Conference. 10 00:00:34.047 --> 00:00:35.749 Well, we're doing another one. 11 00:00:36.729 --> 00:00:39.631 And next year, I've got it right up right now. 12 00:00:39.651 --> 00:00:40.212 It's live. 13 00:00:40.232 --> 00:00:41.673 The website just went up. 14 00:00:42.854 --> 00:00:44.496 You can get your tickets on Eventbrite. 15 00:00:44.536 --> 00:00:49.201 You can see all the speakers if you go to worldviewmattersconference.com. 16 00:00:49.221 --> 00:00:54.466 That's worldviewmattersconference.com. 17 00:00:54.526 --> 00:00:56.769 The theme is Redeem the Time. 18 00:00:57.009 --> 00:00:58.831 Once again, same theme. 19 00:00:58.891 --> 00:00:59.451 There it is. 20 00:01:00.132 --> 00:01:04.757 And it's going to be at the Tundra Lodge Resort Water Park and Conference Center online. 21 00:01:05.117 --> 00:01:11.260 on Lombardi Avenue in Green Bay, Wisconsin, just down the street from historic Lambeau Field. 22 00:01:11.280 --> 00:01:15.883 All right, Olivier Melnick, shalominmessiah.com. 23 00:01:15.903 --> 00:01:18.304 That's his website, shalominmessiah.com. 24 00:01:18.644 --> 00:01:20.005 Brother, always good to see you. 25 00:01:20.025 --> 00:01:21.045 Thanks for your time today. 26 00:01:21.906 --> 00:01:24.707 Hey, thanks for having me, David. 27 00:01:24.747 --> 00:01:33.392 It's always good to be on your podcast, and lots going on, and we could probably do one a week and still not cover everything. 28 00:01:33.723 --> 00:01:34.303 Exactly. 29 00:01:34.343 --> 00:01:39.185 And there's and yeah, there's always things to notify the body of Christ about equip the saints. 30 00:01:40.225 --> 00:01:45.687 But so you were just at Gettysburg, Pennsylvania at the Abraham to Armageddon conference. 31 00:01:45.807 --> 00:01:50.209 Our friend Brad Reeves, Brandon Holthouse was there, J.B. Hickson, Tom Hughes. 32 00:01:50.229 --> 00:01:52.210 You guys, I watched it online. 33 00:01:52.230 --> 00:01:53.970 It was a great conference. 34 00:01:54.210 --> 00:01:55.411 Tell us a little bit about that. 35 00:01:55.471 --> 00:02:01.713 And then I also want you to share a little bit about your experience in Green Bay when you spoke at the Worldview Matters conference. 36 00:02:02.452 --> 00:02:07.296 Well, the Gettysburg Conference was incredible. 37 00:02:07.396 --> 00:02:17.183 It was Pastor Brad Reeves' first conference of that magnitude, really, with all the speakers and organizing everything like you recently did for you as well. 38 00:02:17.844 --> 00:02:21.026 And there's a lot of moving parts when you do something like this. 39 00:02:21.086 --> 00:02:22.307 And it went really well. 40 00:02:22.327 --> 00:02:22.988 Yeah. 41 00:02:23.748 --> 00:02:38.193 And what amazes me is that when we go, and I do quite a few of those conferences, I am invited to quite a few, with usually the same usual suspects of the speakers. 42 00:02:38.594 --> 00:02:38.874 We... 43 00:02:40.294 --> 00:02:46.019 We come in and there is an overarching theme and we're not really told exactly what to speak on. 44 00:02:46.099 --> 00:02:54.305 Occasionally we are, but most of the time, you know, the person inviting us says, you know, will the spirit lead and, you know, stay within the theme. 45 00:02:54.705 --> 00:03:00.650 We cover the theme and we overlap a little bit on each other, but it's amazing how... 46 00:03:01.230 --> 00:03:10.901 It's almost like we have a meeting prior to the conference and we all say, okay, I'll do this, you'll do this, you'll do that, and it will all fit nicely as pieces of a puzzle to make a clear picture. 47 00:03:11.541 --> 00:03:14.384 But we don't do that. 48 00:03:14.665 --> 00:03:16.567 We just show up and say, okay, I'm speaking on this. 49 00:03:16.707 --> 00:03:17.528 Oh, I'm speaking on that. 50 00:03:17.548 --> 00:03:18.589 It's gonna overlap a little bit. 51 00:03:19.030 --> 00:03:21.072 And then at the end of the conference, we go like, wow, 52 00:03:21.312 --> 00:03:22.693 We covered a lot of ground. 53 00:03:23.114 --> 00:03:23.874 We overlapped. 54 00:03:23.914 --> 00:03:33.963 We repeated a little bit, but it all fits nicely into this end times prophecy, Israel, you know, Bible prophecy. 55 00:03:34.383 --> 00:03:37.766 And so it's always a joy to see how this is all going to fall together. 56 00:03:38.246 --> 00:03:41.149 And what is the same for your conference, David, although it was not... 57 00:03:41.689 --> 00:03:44.813 specifically an Israel-focused conference. 58 00:03:45.253 --> 00:03:49.298 But it was really on the importance of taking the Bible seriously. 59 00:03:49.318 --> 00:03:50.340 That's the way I'm looking at it. 60 00:03:50.440 --> 00:03:51.721 You had all kinds of speakers. 61 00:03:52.102 --> 00:03:57.808 As a matter of fact, you don't know this, but at your conference, I met Jay Siebert. 62 00:03:58.429 --> 00:03:59.089 Sigurd, sorry. 63 00:03:59.170 --> 00:03:59.970 Sigurd, yeah. 64 00:04:00.770 --> 00:04:03.012 And we had tables next to each other. 65 00:04:03.032 --> 00:04:04.333 He spoke, I spoke. 66 00:04:04.713 --> 00:04:05.493 We headed off. 67 00:04:05.934 --> 00:04:10.776 Next thing you know, he's telling me about those tours he's doing in the Grand Canyon, creation tours. 68 00:04:11.257 --> 00:04:14.539 And Ellen and I just got back from the tour last week. 69 00:04:14.619 --> 00:04:15.359 Oh, my goodness. 70 00:04:15.399 --> 00:04:16.240 That's awesome. 71 00:04:16.820 --> 00:04:20.403 We signed up and we had a blast. 72 00:04:20.463 --> 00:04:21.244 It was incredible. 73 00:04:21.504 --> 00:04:25.948 I would recommend Starting Point, I think it's called. 74 00:04:25.968 --> 00:04:27.890 Yep, the Starting Point Project. 75 00:04:28.571 --> 00:04:29.552 Starting Point Project. 76 00:04:29.632 --> 00:04:40.782 Anybody who's interested in visiting the Grand Canyon and looking at the Bible and being equipped to discuss the Bible and God with atheists, and it's just amazing. 77 00:04:41.382 --> 00:04:42.223 three-day tour. 78 00:04:42.564 --> 00:04:43.865 We needed a vacation. 79 00:04:43.885 --> 00:04:45.026 Yeah, there you have them on the screen. 80 00:04:45.267 --> 00:04:46.468 We needed a vacation. 81 00:04:47.749 --> 00:04:51.874 Ellen on the plane back, she goes, Olivier, I'm so tired. 82 00:04:51.914 --> 00:04:52.635 We need a vacation. 83 00:04:52.655 --> 00:04:55.698 We were on the bus the first day for 14 and a half hours. 84 00:04:56.159 --> 00:04:56.840 Oh, my goodness. 85 00:04:56.860 --> 00:04:57.200 Wow. 86 00:04:57.240 --> 00:04:57.760 Wow. 87 00:04:58.141 --> 00:04:59.361 Yeah, it was incredible. 88 00:04:59.662 --> 00:05:02.944 So thank you for bringing him to the conference because now we're friends. 89 00:05:03.024 --> 00:05:12.590 And so there was all those different aspects of taking the Bible from different angles, seriously looking at what the Bible teaches us. 90 00:05:12.810 --> 00:05:15.152 You know, of course, I brought the anti-Semitism aspect. 91 00:05:15.412 --> 00:05:16.693 You brought the creation. 92 00:05:17.293 --> 00:05:18.574 And there was so many different things. 93 00:05:18.874 --> 00:05:19.995 And your conference was really... 94 00:05:21.437 --> 00:05:25.167 really, really well attended and it was great. 95 00:05:25.227 --> 00:05:26.590 And then next year is gonna be even better. 96 00:05:26.871 --> 00:05:29.438 Although I'm not gonna be one of the speakers, we can't be that great. 97 00:05:31.803 --> 00:05:32.584 We couldn't squeeze. 98 00:05:32.604 --> 00:05:33.985 I don't want to spoil everybody. 99 00:05:34.005 --> 00:05:35.046 He didn't want to bring you back again. 100 00:05:35.366 --> 00:05:38.269 No, Jay is a great—he's going to be here next week, by the way. 101 00:05:38.289 --> 00:05:41.391 He's going to be in studio next week on our podcast. 102 00:05:41.452 --> 00:05:42.653 So, yeah, what a blessing. 103 00:05:42.673 --> 00:05:48.818 And I'll tell him you did a commercial for his ministry on your podcast. 104 00:05:48.978 --> 00:05:52.761 In a minute, Olivier and I are going to talk about the progressive conditioning against Israel. 105 00:05:52.781 --> 00:05:54.483 But one more thing briefly, Olivier. 106 00:05:54.523 --> 00:05:54.943 Sorry. 107 00:05:55.784 --> 00:05:56.144 You know, we— 108 00:05:57.105 --> 00:06:00.466 doubled the occupancy for next year's conference. 109 00:06:02.026 --> 00:06:04.707 I just want to be honest with our audience. 110 00:06:05.607 --> 00:06:09.869 I don't have a massive team and staff and ministry building and facility and all that. 111 00:06:10.229 --> 00:06:15.350 I put a lot of my own money into the conference, so I raised the registration fee. 112 00:06:15.950 --> 00:06:25.333 It's $89 for 14 speakers over two days and a 60- to 90-minute Q&A panel on Friday night 113 00:06:26.674 --> 00:06:27.515 We'll see how that goes. 114 00:06:27.555 --> 00:06:31.600 But it's going to be a great conference with a lot of great guests and speakers. 115 00:06:31.620 --> 00:06:34.443 You can, again, friends, worldviewmattersconference.com. 116 00:06:34.803 --> 00:06:36.085 It's not cheap to put these on. 117 00:06:36.205 --> 00:06:37.126 I want to do it right. 118 00:06:37.226 --> 00:06:40.349 I'm thankful for you and the others who took a chance on coming... 119 00:06:41.170 --> 00:06:42.611 to Green Bay for the first one. 120 00:06:44.252 --> 00:06:48.335 There's a lot I learned and a lot I need to improve on as far as hosting a conference. 121 00:06:48.375 --> 00:06:55.540 But Lord willing, we'll each year, unless the Lord takes us home, we will continue to do this, Lord willing. 122 00:06:55.580 --> 00:06:58.062 So thank you again, Olivia, for your ministry. 123 00:06:58.082 --> 00:06:58.982 You spoke twice. 124 00:07:00.804 --> 00:07:01.484 one of two speakers. 125 00:07:01.564 --> 00:07:03.865 Nobody next year is speaking twice, by the way. 126 00:07:04.406 --> 00:07:12.570 And by the way, I was, I don't know if you remember, I spoke twice, but I was suffering from a terrible cold, and I was miserable. 127 00:07:12.730 --> 00:07:17.353 And it's happened to me a few times when I go speak at a conference, and I get there, and I'm sick, and I'm like, oh my gosh. 128 00:07:17.373 --> 00:07:18.393 But you couldn't tell. 129 00:07:18.673 --> 00:07:19.774 You couldn't tell, you know. 130 00:07:20.094 --> 00:07:20.895 Oh, I could tell. 131 00:07:21.115 --> 00:07:21.755 I could tell. 132 00:07:21.935 --> 00:07:22.535 You could. 133 00:07:22.876 --> 00:07:23.416 But you know what? 134 00:07:23.476 --> 00:07:28.639 Sometimes when we're not feeling well, that's when we focus more, and God just 135 00:07:29.728 --> 00:07:31.669 You know, I mean, sometimes it's even better. 136 00:07:32.369 --> 00:07:49.657 But anyway, Olivier, so before we jump into the progressive conditioning against Israel, I just want to talk about what's going on in Texas briefly, because I came across an article our friend Nathan Jones at Lamb & Lion Ministries wrote, and the Dallas-Fort Worth campaign, 137 00:07:50.117 --> 00:07:56.881 This area is home to 62 Sunni mosques and five Shia mosques for a total of 67. 138 00:07:57.681 --> 00:08:03.544 And this is one of the largest and fastest growing Muslim communities in the U.S. 139 00:08:04.064 --> 00:08:10.468 So as a fellow Texan, are you concerned about what's happening in a so-called red or conservative state? 140 00:08:11.837 --> 00:08:12.918 Of course I'm concerned. 141 00:08:13.258 --> 00:08:14.800 You know, I've got to be honest with you. 142 00:08:14.820 --> 00:08:30.332 I've been keeping an eye on the, for lack of a better word, the Islamic invasion of America for, well, since I started my study and teaching on anti-Semitism, which was in 2000, so 26 years. 143 00:08:30.352 --> 00:08:31.313 Wow. 144 00:08:31.433 --> 00:08:32.814 And it's been increasing. 145 00:08:33.675 --> 00:08:36.117 You know, a lot of it is increasing. 146 00:08:37.529 --> 00:08:49.035 what you could call a stealth jihad, where there is a, you know, Muslims would get, you know, they would have a lot of children, grow their family and not really integrate in the community. 147 00:08:49.055 --> 00:08:52.716 They would show integration, but they're not really honest about it. 148 00:08:53.277 --> 00:08:59.720 Many of them infiltrating different levels of government slowly, patiently, 149 00:09:00.540 --> 00:09:02.261 until they have more of a voice. 150 00:09:02.781 --> 00:09:09.242 And all of a sudden, in the last few years, we've seen, and I've been in Texas, you know, I'm not a long, long, long time Texas. 151 00:09:09.822 --> 00:09:11.403 We moved in September of 21. 152 00:09:11.423 --> 00:09:14.724 So it will be, next month will be just, you know, five years. 153 00:09:15.364 --> 00:09:28.347 But I've seen an increase in building mosques, building madrasas, which is like, you know, Islamic schools and Islamic centers, 45 minutes from us, like in McKinney and, 154 00:09:29.027 --> 00:09:36.290 in the Plano area, Allen, McKinney, they're building, there is this place called Epic City that they're trying to build. 155 00:09:37.611 --> 00:09:55.919 And right now the Texas government basically, they're postponing the inevitable because they're stopping or slowing down the building of that area simply by finding loopholes in the building permits and in a way of saying like, 156 00:09:56.179 --> 00:09:59.681 You can't do it that way, so you're going to have to go back to a drawing board and get back the paperwork. 157 00:09:59.881 --> 00:10:01.762 So it's adding another three months, another six months. 158 00:10:02.063 --> 00:10:14.370 But they're not really seeing the big picture of the sharia law takeover of the state, which is what's at the end of the day, that's what they're trying. 159 00:10:14.610 --> 00:10:22.735 So that coupled with all the different Islamic red-green axis players that are popping up, 160 00:10:23.195 --> 00:10:33.762 in different states now, like, you know, Al-Sayed and Mamdani for a few months now, you know, it's picking up momentum. 161 00:10:34.082 --> 00:10:42.248 And, you know, recently, I think I read, I might have read the headline today or yesterday. 162 00:10:42.268 --> 00:10:47.171 I can't keep up with when and how much I read every day, but I mean, you know what I mean. 163 00:10:47.631 --> 00:10:48.972 And our viewers too. 164 00:10:49.972 --> 00:11:00.176 The Dallas-Fort Worth DFW Airport is installing foot washing basins in the airport bathrooms. 165 00:11:00.736 --> 00:11:01.777 Wow. 166 00:11:02.057 --> 00:11:05.619 And here's the question I always ask. 167 00:11:11.049 --> 00:11:12.230 to people when they do that. 168 00:11:12.670 --> 00:11:29.737 If you're going to install in a public bathroom, a foot basin for Muslims, would you also install in the middle of the terminal in a corner somewhere, a place when there are prayer shawls for Jewish people to go and put them on their head and have their prayer time? 169 00:11:30.198 --> 00:11:30.558 Of course not. 170 00:11:30.578 --> 00:11:33.099 The answer is no, because it's a public place. 171 00:11:33.859 --> 00:11:36.640 But yet for Muslims, there's never a question. 172 00:11:37.021 --> 00:11:42.203 I'm not, I don't want to sound racist because, you know, people say, well, you're an Islamophobe. 173 00:11:42.363 --> 00:11:42.823 Well, you know what? 174 00:11:43.043 --> 00:11:45.525 Maybe I am an Islamophobe, but Islam is not a religion. 175 00:11:45.585 --> 00:11:46.505 It's an ideology. 176 00:11:46.785 --> 00:11:48.166 I have nothing against Arabs. 177 00:11:48.206 --> 00:11:51.407 They need Jesus, just like the Jews, just like anybody else in the world. 178 00:11:53.173 --> 00:11:55.354 The teaching of Islam, I don't agree with. 179 00:11:56.114 --> 00:12:17.104 And for them to push that on us, basically, David, what I think is happening here is that that section of Islam trying to push, take over of Texas, basically, the subliminal or the unspoken message, we should say, is basically, if we can conquer Texas, 180 00:12:17.644 --> 00:12:25.815 We can conquer anywhere in the U.S. because we are the red state, you know, gun-toting conservatives, Texas. 181 00:12:26.416 --> 00:12:33.185 And if they can conquer Texas, then, you know, everything else in the U.S. is basically, you know, fair game. 182 00:12:33.692 --> 00:12:34.732 I think you're spot on. 183 00:12:35.092 --> 00:12:39.113 I think that's part of the strategy because Texas is like, that's the big prize. 184 00:12:39.133 --> 00:12:44.095 I mean, California would be, but California is a progressive blue state. 185 00:12:44.415 --> 00:12:57.658 But Islam's growth rate has risen 500% over the last 50 years, and their two strategies are holy war, jihad, and immigration. 186 00:12:57.678 --> 00:12:58.238 Right. 187 00:12:58.518 --> 00:13:04.620 Well, there's no holy war, you know, as far as the physical violence in America and other countries. 188 00:13:04.640 --> 00:13:05.540 Yes, in America, no. 189 00:13:05.840 --> 00:13:14.122 But immigration, they're using our system to populate our countries and state by state. 190 00:13:14.462 --> 00:13:20.264 So we just have to be aware this is happening and continue to challenge this because you're right. 191 00:13:20.384 --> 00:13:24.125 It is demonic and so is anti-Semitism. 192 00:13:24.785 --> 00:13:26.166 It is demonic and irrational. 193 00:13:26.206 --> 00:13:27.327 It's part of your definition. 194 00:13:27.688 --> 00:13:32.151 So let's segue now, Olivier, into the progressive conditioning against Israel. 195 00:13:32.572 --> 00:13:36.615 We've talked about their accusations of occupying land over there. 196 00:13:38.036 --> 00:13:43.501 To me, that's just amazing that people think that way when you look at a map that Israel is an occupier. 197 00:13:43.781 --> 00:13:45.562 But let's start with colonization. 198 00:13:46.103 --> 00:13:49.906 We haven't talked a lot about that word and the meaning and how they use that accusation. 199 00:13:50.507 --> 00:13:51.868 Let's start there, please. 200 00:13:52.846 --> 00:14:05.059 Okay, so, and by the way, just to wrap up, what we talked about Islam and Muslims, not every single Muslim is to be looked at that way, like they're trying to take over the world. 201 00:14:05.119 --> 00:14:14.770 I mean, our ministry, I have a man, a driver, who picks me up to take me to the airport and picks me up and brings me back home. 202 00:14:15.390 --> 00:14:19.533 You know, he's not on payroll, he's not on staff, but he's my main driver. 203 00:14:19.973 --> 00:14:22.014 And he's a Muslim, he's a practicing Muslim. 204 00:14:22.394 --> 00:14:26.937 Literally, when he picks me up sometimes at 5 a.m. to take me to the airport, he has to readjust his prayer. 205 00:14:26.957 --> 00:14:28.618 I mean, he is a Muslim. 206 00:14:28.958 --> 00:14:30.739 And we talk about Jesus in his car. 207 00:14:30.779 --> 00:14:35.702 We talk about me being a Jew, him being a Muslim, and me believing in Jesus. 208 00:14:35.982 --> 00:14:39.204 And he goes, Olivia, this is very confusing, but this is fascinating. 209 00:14:39.505 --> 00:14:43.467 And so we get along, and there are a lot of Muslims who just want to get along. 210 00:14:45.047 --> 00:14:53.731 And so I just want to make sure that this is said as well, because I don't want you or me to sound like we hate all Muslims, because we don't. 211 00:14:54.171 --> 00:14:55.711 No, we don't hate them. 212 00:14:55.811 --> 00:14:56.932 Well, we don't hate anybody. 213 00:14:57.392 --> 00:15:01.793 It's the ideology that is anti-Christian, anti-Jewish. 214 00:15:01.934 --> 00:15:02.674 Yeah, go ahead. 215 00:15:02.774 --> 00:15:03.954 Okay. 216 00:15:04.714 --> 00:15:10.817 So I was doing research recently for another presentation that I made, and I realized 217 00:15:12.452 --> 00:15:24.136 there's been a progressive indoctrination conditioning of the masses towards rejecting Israel and accusing Israel. 218 00:15:24.576 --> 00:15:31.478 And that progressive, it was like in four steps, colonization, occupation, apartheid, genocide. 219 00:15:31.778 --> 00:15:33.438 We're at the point right now in 2026, David, where 220 00:15:35.299 --> 00:15:49.624 And just about anywhere you go and you hear or see or read about anything from Israel's foes, the enemies of Israel, the enemies of the Jews, the word genocide pops up all the time. 221 00:15:49.844 --> 00:15:56.947 And I don't support genocides, I'm against genocide, and free Gaza from the genocidal people and on and on and on. 222 00:15:58.547 --> 00:16:08.559 So we didn't get there just when they say, OK, yeah, they're doing genocide because of October 7 and they're going and killing poor Palestinians, forgetting what happened on October 7. 223 00:16:09.019 --> 00:16:10.260 This has been a progressive thing. 224 00:16:10.341 --> 00:16:18.370 First, it was a colonization accusation that came with Yasser Arafat in the early 60s when he, a terrorist. 225 00:16:18.950 --> 00:16:25.658 Egyptian-born Palestinian was placed in a region to destabilize the region. 226 00:16:26.258 --> 00:16:31.364 He was put there by the USSR back then, wanting to destabilize the region. 227 00:16:31.925 --> 00:16:33.727 And then he accused Israel of colonization. 228 00:16:33.767 --> 00:16:34.347 But Israel... 229 00:16:35.248 --> 00:16:42.412 You look at it biblically or historically and geopolitically, Israel has the right to exist in that land. 230 00:16:42.432 --> 00:16:50.817 That if we had time, we could develop this Balfour Declaration and the San Remo Conference of Balfour 1917, San Remo 1920 in Italy, and then... 231 00:16:54.619 --> 00:17:10.425 the 1947 vote at the UN, all that put together gives Israel an undeniable legal right to exist and to thrive in the land of Israel from a legal standpoint. 232 00:17:10.725 --> 00:17:16.727 But for Christians above that, and stronger than that, is the biblical... 233 00:17:18.387 --> 00:17:26.110 precedent that we have when God gave the land to Abraham and his descendants through the son of the promise, Abraham, Isaac, Jacob. 234 00:17:26.310 --> 00:17:33.893 You know, Genesis 12 is a promise, Genesis 15 is the covenant with the boundaries, the Abrahamic covenant giving the land boundaries. 235 00:17:34.113 --> 00:17:41.416 Then in Genesis 26 and 28, through Isaac, through Jacob, not through the Arab lines, not again, not 236 00:17:41.776 --> 00:17:48.101 rejecting the Arabs through Ishmael, just saying that I selected this lineage through the Jewish people. 237 00:17:48.281 --> 00:17:48.661 I'm God. 238 00:17:48.681 --> 00:17:49.782 This is my prerogative. 239 00:17:50.122 --> 00:17:50.723 Deal with it. 240 00:17:51.283 --> 00:18:09.416 And so we have a biblical precedent, which I would put first, and a legal and geopolitical precedent making Israel the real place for the Jews to live and to build and to exist. 241 00:18:09.896 --> 00:18:12.357 which is not colonization. 242 00:18:12.377 --> 00:18:16.158 Colonization is when you take over land that does not belong to you. 243 00:18:16.498 --> 00:18:20.560 You colonize it like the French did, the French Empire, like the British Empire did. 244 00:18:20.740 --> 00:18:22.481 The sun never sets on the British Empire. 245 00:18:23.681 --> 00:18:31.744 That massive land mass taken by those two countries over centuries, nobody is talking about that today. 246 00:18:32.004 --> 00:18:32.984 Yet that little sliver of 247 00:18:34.585 --> 00:18:36.627 is so small, like the size of New Jersey. 248 00:18:37.267 --> 00:18:40.970 Everybody is talking about the Jews colonizing. 249 00:18:41.310 --> 00:18:44.292 And so you've got colonization, then you've got occupation. 250 00:18:44.593 --> 00:18:47.375 It's not enough that we colonize and we expand our territory. 251 00:18:47.715 --> 00:18:50.457 Now we are going to get in and occupy that territory. 252 00:18:50.697 --> 00:18:54.400 And again, we are being accused of occupying a territory that is 253 00:18:54.860 --> 00:18:57.441 was never not ours to start with. 254 00:18:57.741 --> 00:19:01.062 You know, I've been on your show before when we talked about the meaning of the word Palestine. 255 00:19:01.262 --> 00:19:02.082 We're not gonna repeat it. 256 00:19:02.362 --> 00:19:07.863 People can find the videos on your channel, on our channel at chelomanmessiah.com, on our YouTube. 257 00:19:08.484 --> 00:19:08.984 They're there. 258 00:19:09.304 --> 00:19:10.484 Palestine is an invention. 259 00:19:10.684 --> 00:19:11.664 It's just an invention. 260 00:19:12.545 --> 00:19:17.706 It was a name that was a landmass until 1948 and then it became a politically charged 261 00:19:19.227 --> 00:19:26.271 word that means that poor Palestinians are being displaced, but the Jews are not occupying land because you occupy something that's not yours. 262 00:19:27.152 --> 00:19:31.515 And then today, you know, we are being accused of occupation. 263 00:19:32.355 --> 00:19:39.340 Even a place like Amnesty International just recently published a report saying that Israel continues to occupy. 264 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.142 And for the last three years of the war, they have occupied Gaza. 265 00:19:43.222 --> 00:19:44.223 That's a lie. 266 00:19:44.683 --> 00:19:45.624 That's a lie. 267 00:19:46.005 --> 00:19:48.587 There's no Gaza occupation by Israel. 268 00:19:48.928 --> 00:19:51.631 And as a matter of fact, it's not for the last three years. 269 00:19:52.411 --> 00:20:00.460 2005 is when 9,000 Jews were asked, Israeli Jews were asked to take everything, including their dead bodies in cemeteries. 270 00:20:00.980 --> 00:20:02.001 Get out of Gaza. 271 00:20:02.161 --> 00:20:14.734 We're going to give it to the Palestinians so they can build their own infrastructure, their cities, their schools, their hospitals, and live in Gaza as a Palestinian Authority region and even make it even a resort. 272 00:20:18.998 --> 00:20:21.299 Seafront Resort, it's a beautiful area over there. 273 00:20:21.739 --> 00:20:38.286 The result is all that they did with all the money that was poured in that area and all they did was to build an underground structure of tunnels that led to the mass murder of October 7th, 2023. 274 00:20:38.746 --> 00:20:39.407 That's what's happening. 275 00:20:39.427 --> 00:20:40.727 There's no occupation. 276 00:20:41.327 --> 00:20:42.648 There's no occupation. 277 00:20:43.076 --> 00:20:50.761 No, and as you said earlier, the Bible takes precedent, and then what happened historically with the Balfour Declaration. 278 00:20:50.801 --> 00:21:02.449 But let's just say, in that land covenant, Israel is not even close to living in the land that God drew out the borders for, clearly, specifically in Genesis. 279 00:21:02.469 --> 00:21:03.270 So go ahead, Olivier. 280 00:21:03.290 --> 00:21:03.410 Okay. 281 00:21:03.930 --> 00:21:19.561 You know, that's going to happen in the Millennial Kingdom after the seven year tribulation when Israel will no longer be the size of New Jersey, but it will be the size of twice the state of Texas. 282 00:21:19.661 --> 00:21:20.762 You know, I kind of like the idea. 283 00:21:21.202 --> 00:21:24.527 And so, you know, you said Israel is not even close to have the land. 284 00:21:24.547 --> 00:21:30.275 Now, the land boundaries were given by God in Genesis 15, verses 18 through 21. 285 00:21:30.335 --> 00:21:35.342 You know, all the different people group, the Gergashites, the Jebusites, the 286 00:21:36.043 --> 00:21:59.784 the uh you know all those things those peoples the canaanites and you put it all together that's the twice the size of texas but right now israel has never has never attained those boundaries and it will be in the millennial kingdom but what i find fascinating is when you compare islamic takeover or the desire for islam to create a global caliphate on the entire planet 287 00:22:00.484 --> 00:22:03.526 There's no end to where Islam wants to expand. 288 00:22:03.826 --> 00:22:13.872 The end is basically when the whole planet is a Muslim community, then they will say, okay, everybody's at peace because now we take over the whole earth, okay? 289 00:22:13.972 --> 00:22:15.833 That's the limit, the whole planet. 290 00:22:15.994 --> 00:22:17.975 They keep going, they keep going, they keep going. 291 00:22:18.595 --> 00:22:23.416 Compare that to Deuteronomy chapter 2 verses 2 through 5 and verses 9. 292 00:22:23.596 --> 00:22:29.798 At the end, verses 2-5, it says, well, let me read the passage real quick. 293 00:22:30.138 --> 00:22:41.721 And the Lord spoke to me saying, you have circled this mountain long enough, not turn north and command the people saying, you will pass through the territory of your brothers, the sons of Esau, who live in Seir, and they will be afraid of you. 294 00:22:41.761 --> 00:22:43.302 So be very careful, do not provoke them 295 00:22:44.682 --> 00:22:45.903 And listen to this, David. 296 00:22:46.123 --> 00:22:52.925 I will not give you any of their land, even as little as a footstep, because I've given Mount Seir to Esau as a possession. 297 00:22:52.985 --> 00:22:56.226 And Esau is true, not the Jewish line, but the Arabs. 298 00:22:56.506 --> 00:23:09.770 And then in verse 9 of the same chapter, chapter 2 of Deuteronomy, Then the Lord said to me, Do not harass Moab, nor provoke them to war, for I will not give you any of their land as a possession, because I've given Ar to the sons of Lot as a possession. 299 00:23:10.070 --> 00:23:10.810 So we have... 300 00:23:11.791 --> 00:23:14.977 God telling the Israelites, I've given you boundaries. 301 00:23:15.238 --> 00:23:16.099 One day you'll have them all. 302 00:23:16.500 --> 00:23:20.668 But don't try to take lens that's not yours because I will not let that happen. 303 00:23:21.029 --> 00:23:22.151 That's the difference right there. 304 00:23:22.371 --> 00:23:22.572 Yeah. 305 00:23:24.135 --> 00:23:36.990 And so biblically speaking, the land belongs to the Jews, and there's no occupation, there's no colonization. 306 00:23:37.911 --> 00:23:42.737 But the next level is, you know, first you colonize, you grab land that's not yours, and you make it... 307 00:23:44.178 --> 00:23:46.700 to expand your territory of your country. 308 00:23:46.920 --> 00:23:49.362 Then you occupy, you get in, that's the accusation. 309 00:23:49.663 --> 00:23:55.167 Then once you occupy, you find out that you really don't want the people that used to be there to be there. 310 00:23:55.228 --> 00:24:01.593 So you make a separation and that's what you call, what we've been accused of with apartheid. 311 00:24:02.154 --> 00:24:08.099 And apartheid basically is something that happened in South Africa and that was a terrible thing. 312 00:24:08.199 --> 00:24:08.739 It was horrible. 313 00:24:09.780 --> 00:24:24.625 how a white minority treated a black majority and basically pushed them away and separated, and there was a superiority and segregation, and it was basically all racial. 314 00:24:25.125 --> 00:24:27.346 Now, the wall that's been built in Israel 315 00:24:28.466 --> 00:24:42.876 What's fascinating is that that wall, which is part wall, part fence, depending on where you drive, since it was finished, which I believe is in 2022, the most of it, so it's about four years old. 316 00:24:43.377 --> 00:24:51.503 By then, David, 97% of the deaths based on prior to the wall by terrorists 317 00:24:52.043 --> 00:24:53.444 had been avoided. 318 00:24:53.644 --> 00:25:02.332 So there was a 97% decrease in death toll inside the walls since the wall was put up. 319 00:25:02.492 --> 00:25:06.735 So it's not a wall to separate because of racial superiority. 320 00:25:07.015 --> 00:25:11.699 It's a wall to protect Israelis inside that wall. 321 00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:14.702 The wall exists on both sides. 322 00:25:15.462 --> 00:25:16.403 It's not a wall. 323 00:25:16.904 --> 00:25:18.325 No, but people don't think that way. 324 00:25:18.665 --> 00:25:21.927 It's not a world that keeps the Arabs out because we hate the Arabs. 325 00:25:22.147 --> 00:25:22.527 You know what? 326 00:25:22.767 --> 00:25:26.209 The Jews on the other side, they have that world to look at too. 327 00:25:26.589 --> 00:25:35.013 And that world exists on both sides, except that it's a world to protect them, not to separate from the Palestinians. 328 00:25:35.633 --> 00:25:37.334 It's to protect them from the terrorists. 329 00:25:37.654 --> 00:25:40.595 And again, not all Palestinians are terrorists either. 330 00:25:40.895 --> 00:25:44.956 Two million Arabs live in Israel with very good conditions. 331 00:25:45.156 --> 00:25:45.756 I know some. 332 00:25:46.056 --> 00:25:51.998 I have friends in the old city who are Arabs that I purchase things from when I go visit. 333 00:25:52.178 --> 00:25:55.139 And they're very happy to live in Israel proper. 334 00:25:56.079 --> 00:25:59.040 So we're talking about the progressive conditioning against Israel. 335 00:25:59.060 --> 00:26:01.761 And the final one, it leads to the accusations of genocide. 336 00:26:03.147 --> 00:26:04.348 Accusation of genocide. 337 00:26:05.229 --> 00:26:10.574 David, you're gonna love this, and I know we have very little time left, so I'll have to speak fast. 338 00:26:11.414 --> 00:26:16.839 Recently, by the time you post this, it will probably be two weeks old or something, two or three weeks old. 339 00:26:17.159 --> 00:26:30.130 The UNICEF, the children's section of the United Nations, published a report literally a few days ago saying like, we have to be honest with the world 340 00:26:30.971 --> 00:26:35.253 There's no starvation of children under five in Gaza. 341 00:26:36.034 --> 00:26:38.155 There's no famine, no starvation. 342 00:26:38.375 --> 00:26:42.777 They've been pushing this genocidal country, killing through starvation and famine. 343 00:26:43.257 --> 00:26:51.862 And 1.3% of Gazan children suffer from malnutrition as opposed to 5% in Iran and 12% 344 00:26:54.343 --> 00:26:57.806 in Syria and all other countries, 1.3%. 345 00:26:57.846 --> 00:26:59.788 There's no genocide. 346 00:26:59.808 --> 00:27:08.576 This is the only country, Israel, where they tell people when and where they're going to hit some structures and then go seek shelter. 347 00:27:08.616 --> 00:27:11.639 We're going to bomb that building because Hamas is under it. 348 00:27:12.980 --> 00:27:17.023 Nothing like this has been seen in conventional warfare except what Israel has been doing. 349 00:27:17.563 --> 00:27:22.506 And 50,000 children have been born in the Gaza Strip since the beginning of the war. 350 00:27:22.746 --> 00:27:24.887 If we are genocidal, we're not really good at it. 351 00:27:25.107 --> 00:27:25.928 Yep, exactly. 352 00:27:25.968 --> 00:27:30.430 So again, friends, colonization, occupation, apartheid, and genocide. 353 00:27:30.450 --> 00:27:31.951 This is progressive conditioning. 354 00:27:31.971 --> 00:27:35.173 We have to understand the truth and know how to respond and defend this. 355 00:27:35.273 --> 00:27:35.853 Brother, thank you. 356 00:27:35.873 --> 00:27:36.874 It goes by so fast. 357 00:27:37.734 --> 00:27:38.815 Blessings, Olivier. 358 00:27:38.895 --> 00:27:40.416 ShalomandMessiah.com. 359 00:27:40.976 --> 00:27:41.897 To be continued, brother. 360 00:27:41.917 --> 00:27:42.117 Thank you. 361 00:27:43.842 --> 00:27:44.263 God bless. 362 00:27:45.164 --> 00:27:46.567 Friends, thank you for sharing this one. 363 00:27:46.607 --> 00:27:47.168 God bless you. 364 00:27:47.188 --> 00:27:49.793 And as always, keep speaking the truth about things that matter.