WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.312 --> 00:00:04.081 Well, everybody, welcome to the Jack Hibbs podcast, the Jack Hibbs show. 2 00:00:04.141 --> 00:00:06.367 We're trying to make that pivot, make that change. 3 00:00:06.407 --> 00:00:07.970 That's what we're supposed to be doing these days. 4 00:00:08.251 --> 00:00:09.695 But it's a podcast, like it or not, 5 00:00:10.423 --> 00:00:12.164 And we're really glad that you guys are with us. 6 00:00:12.424 --> 00:00:19.588 And we have got a topic and a guest today that is going to blow your heart and mind. 7 00:00:19.688 --> 00:00:21.609 And I'm talking about having him back with us. 8 00:00:22.109 --> 00:00:29.392 We had him some time ago, but we have with us back is Dr. Erwin Lutzer. 9 00:00:29.492 --> 00:00:31.333 36, oh, 37 years ago. 10 00:00:31.513 --> 00:00:38.857 Well, 36 years he spent pastoring the great Moody Bible Church in Chicago, legendary church in Chicago. 11 00:00:39.528 --> 00:00:51.240 And a prolific author, as I mentioned back almost a year ago, you guys, he had something like 70 books under his pen and even more now. 12 00:00:51.260 --> 00:00:54.644 We're going to be talking about a brand new book that he has written. 13 00:00:54.884 --> 00:00:58.788 And this book, listen to this, the title of the book is Mark's. 14 00:00:59.784 --> 00:01:03.826 and Moody, if I'm getting that right, Marx and Moody. 15 00:01:03.846 --> 00:01:12.091 We're gonna be talking about the difference between Karl Marx and a contemporary, a man by the name of Dwight L. Moody. 16 00:01:12.671 --> 00:01:18.555 And yes, the same Moody, that this great pastor who pastored this church. 17 00:01:19.075 --> 00:01:21.136 And there's so much we're gonna learn. 18 00:01:21.156 --> 00:01:23.278 We're gonna learn about how they were contemporaries. 19 00:01:23.738 --> 00:01:27.280 The two of them, we're gonna learn about their two gospels that they preached. 20 00:01:27.880 --> 00:01:31.342 And we're going to learn about their tombstones. 21 00:01:31.522 --> 00:01:32.743 That ought to be fascinating. 22 00:01:33.423 --> 00:01:36.084 And then we're going to find out that there's only really one choice. 23 00:01:36.124 --> 00:01:39.246 And that's always the situation, folks, by the way. 24 00:01:39.906 --> 00:01:44.028 Satan would love to flood the market with options and all kinds of choices. 25 00:01:44.829 --> 00:01:48.451 And it really doesn't matter what you believe in as long as you're sincere about it. 26 00:01:48.791 --> 00:01:52.013 That's kind of like Satan's way when Jesus is the opposite. 27 00:01:52.713 --> 00:01:54.634 Jesus says he is the way, the truth, and the life. 28 00:01:54.694 --> 00:01:56.495 And no man comes to the Father but through him. 29 00:01:57.692 --> 00:02:02.474 Jesus says that there is a broad path that's easy going. 30 00:02:02.654 --> 00:02:05.975 And a lot of people are on it that leads to destruction, but narrow is the path. 31 00:02:07.595 --> 00:02:09.996 And few people are on that path that leads to eternal life. 32 00:02:10.056 --> 00:02:12.697 Make sure that you know Jesus Christ as your Lord and Savior. 33 00:02:13.337 --> 00:02:19.159 Don't write me and tell me that you're a member of some first Baptist Church and that's why you're going to go to heaven. 34 00:02:19.499 --> 00:02:20.640 That's not going to work, folks. 35 00:02:21.240 --> 00:02:23.701 It's the atoning blood of Jesus Christ coming to him. 36 00:02:24.601 --> 00:02:25.742 And so we're honored. 37 00:02:26.062 --> 00:02:28.203 Dr. Luther, it's great to have you with us today. 38 00:02:28.463 --> 00:02:37.047 And I'm excited about this brand new book because so much of what you write is passionate to me because it's reality. 39 00:02:37.447 --> 00:02:45.591 And I hope people pay attention because what you're going to be saying to us, if they're paying attention or not, they're still going to live the reality of this. 40 00:02:45.951 --> 00:02:46.391 Yes. 41 00:02:46.511 --> 00:02:48.432 And we, you want to equip them. 42 00:02:49.447 --> 00:02:50.827 What inspired you to write this? 43 00:02:51.488 --> 00:02:52.708 Jack, here's what happened. 44 00:02:53.408 --> 00:02:57.729 Recently, I was in England leading a tour to the sites of the Reformation. 45 00:02:58.570 --> 00:03:09.793 And as I was preparing a lecture to be given at the grave of Karl Marx, it dawned on me that these two guys were contemporaries, namely Marx and Moody. 46 00:03:10.373 --> 00:03:14.334 They shared life on this planet for 46 years together. 47 00:03:14.354 --> 00:03:14.434 Wow. 48 00:03:15.385 --> 00:03:17.646 And of course, Marx would have known of Moody. 49 00:03:17.686 --> 00:03:23.550 That's a separate story because of Moody's evangelistic work in London, where he spoke to tens of thousands of people. 50 00:03:24.090 --> 00:03:25.031 But here's the point. 51 00:03:25.871 --> 00:03:31.115 I began to think about the fact that these two guys are very, very different. 52 00:03:31.915 --> 00:03:34.657 And this led me into a study of Marxism, 53 00:03:35.197 --> 00:03:36.238 and of course Moody. 54 00:03:36.438 --> 00:03:41.740 And the book actually is co-authored because the man who's doing the Moody section is Greg Quiggle. 55 00:03:41.780 --> 00:03:46.843 He's a guy who taught Reformation theology at Moody and so forth. 56 00:03:47.463 --> 00:03:55.508 But I became interested in Marxism and especially what began to motivate him. 57 00:03:55.928 --> 00:03:57.909 Now very briefly to give some background. 58 00:03:58.369 --> 00:04:01.251 Marx was actually born in the Rhineland of Germany 59 00:04:02.051 --> 00:04:03.271 His parents were Jewish. 60 00:04:03.811 --> 00:04:12.693 But his father converted to the Lutheran faith, probably because he didn't become Catholic, even though the town was 90% Catholic. 61 00:04:12.733 --> 00:04:16.974 Maybe because Lutheranism would give him more latitude of thought. 62 00:04:17.414 --> 00:04:22.315 People don't know whether or not it was a genuine act, but nonetheless. 63 00:04:22.355 --> 00:04:29.477 So Marx was actually baptized at the age of five or six in a Lutheran church. 64 00:04:30.968 --> 00:04:33.509 Now here's where every parent needs to listen up. 65 00:04:34.850 --> 00:04:46.715 In his early days, teenage years, he wrote some wonderful things about Jesus that I quote in the book, about how Jesus is Lord and how he's the only one who is able to help us. 66 00:04:47.696 --> 00:04:49.657 But that sure changed. 67 00:04:50.777 --> 00:04:55.960 Now here's what I discovered, because we're going to be talking about Marx's relationship with Satan. 68 00:04:56.460 --> 00:05:00.782 At the age of 18, his father, Friedrich, wrote him a letter. 69 00:05:02.173 --> 00:05:15.802 At times I cannot rid myself of ideas which arouse within me, foreboding and fear, when I am struck as lightning by the thought, is your heart in accord with your head and your talents? 70 00:05:16.742 --> 00:05:21.185 Has it room for earthly but gentler sentiments? 71 00:05:22.166 --> 00:05:30.351 And since that heart is obviously animated and governed by a demon, not granted to all men, 72 00:05:31.202 --> 00:05:34.986 Is that demon heavenly or is it Faustian? 73 00:05:35.707 --> 00:05:35.947 Wow. 74 00:05:36.447 --> 00:05:39.190 Will you ever be capable of domestic happiness? 75 00:05:39.951 --> 00:05:42.614 Will you be able to bring happiness to those around you? 76 00:05:42.654 --> 00:05:47.138 Because he was at that time dating a young woman by the name of Jenny, whom he married. 77 00:05:47.719 --> 00:05:50.481 Now, Jack, this is critical. 78 00:05:51.472 --> 00:05:55.555 Is the demon in you heavenly or Faustian? 79 00:05:55.935 --> 00:05:57.316 We have to talk about Faust. 80 00:05:58.137 --> 00:06:01.999 If you ask the average person who's listening today, this is what they're going to tell you. 81 00:06:02.019 --> 00:06:05.001 Well, Faust was a man in the medieval times. 82 00:06:05.261 --> 00:06:06.783 There were many legends about him. 83 00:06:07.123 --> 00:06:12.086 But basically, they all said that he sold his soul to the devil and ended up in hell. 84 00:06:12.847 --> 00:06:14.168 That's not the Faust. 85 00:06:15.060 --> 00:06:17.321 that was being read in their home. 86 00:06:18.001 --> 00:06:32.506 That Faust was the Faust written during the Enlightenment 200 years later by none other than Johann Wolfgang Goethe. 87 00:06:32.806 --> 00:06:35.427 Now, if you aren't German, you don't know how to pronounce his name. 88 00:06:35.487 --> 00:06:38.088 Most Americans say Goethe or whatever. 89 00:06:39.028 --> 00:06:40.829 That was a different Faust. 90 00:06:41.449 --> 00:06:44.490 Very briefly, what happened is the devil appeared 91 00:06:46.008 --> 00:06:49.771 And this man was sold his soul to the devil. 92 00:06:50.852 --> 00:07:04.143 But in the end, and the devil taught him how to seduce this young woman and so forth and led him into evil because he was making a deal with the devil and said, I'll give you my soul if you give me an endless number of pleasures. 93 00:07:04.944 --> 00:07:06.786 So you have all this array of pleasures. 94 00:07:07.666 --> 00:07:13.912 What makes this a different Faust is, in the end, Faust outwits the devil 95 00:07:15.230 --> 00:07:16.091 and goes to heaven. 96 00:07:16.391 --> 00:07:25.199 Because as he's dying, he realizes he's going to heaven because the young woman whom he seduced, who committed suicide, she was up there praying for him. 97 00:07:25.400 --> 00:07:25.700 Oh boy. 98 00:07:25.740 --> 00:07:27.001 So, here's the point. 99 00:07:27.962 --> 00:07:32.026 This Faust was a Faust that said, you can make an agreement with me. 100 00:07:32.506 --> 00:07:34.248 You can make an agreement with me. 101 00:07:34.628 --> 00:07:39.453 You can go into the whole business of making a pact, signed in blood, 102 00:07:40.829 --> 00:07:42.170 and still win in the end. 103 00:07:43.071 --> 00:07:49.236 Now, Marx was absolutely obsessed with Faust and with the devil. 104 00:07:49.716 --> 00:08:02.007 And by the way, later on his father wrote him, the last letter that his father wrote him, he said that he was giving birth to monsters because of the way in which he was losing and messing up his life. 105 00:08:02.187 --> 00:08:05.229 But here's the issue. 106 00:08:05.490 --> 00:08:09.233 Before he wrote the Communist Manifesto, along with Engels, 107 00:08:10.323 --> 00:08:16.008 He wrote a lot of poetry and it is dark and it is demonic. 108 00:08:16.288 --> 00:08:17.709 And I want everyone to listen. 109 00:08:19.230 --> 00:08:25.915 Look now, my blood dark sword shall stab unerringly within my soul. 110 00:08:26.636 --> 00:08:29.018 God neither knows or honors art. 111 00:08:29.198 --> 00:08:35.223 The hellish vapors rise within the brain till I go mad and my heart is utterly changed. 112 00:08:36.297 --> 00:08:43.541 Notice this, See the sword, the prince of darkness sold it to me, for he beats the time and gives the signs. 113 00:08:44.381 --> 00:08:56.567 Ever more boldly I play the dance of death, I must play darkly, I must play lightly, until my heart and my violin burst. 114 00:08:56.907 --> 00:09:05.251 But notice this, See the sword, the prince of darkness sold it to me, for he beats the time and gives the signs. 115 00:09:06.166 --> 00:09:18.791 Now, let's read some other poems, and I don't want to overdo this because there are plenty, but I want people to grasp the absolute darkness and the constant references to the devil. 116 00:09:18.971 --> 00:09:19.792 To the spirit realm. 117 00:09:19.812 --> 00:09:24.233 And even though I can't prove it, I think, boy, I'm saying this ahead of time. 118 00:09:24.954 --> 00:09:30.776 Do you remember when Satan came to Jesus and said, if you bow before me, I'll give you all the kingdoms? 119 00:09:31.617 --> 00:09:33.877 I think that's exactly what Marx did. 120 00:09:33.937 --> 00:09:35.078 He bowed before him. 121 00:09:35.852 --> 00:09:37.033 and gave him the kingdoms. 122 00:09:37.073 --> 00:09:37.774 Listen to this. 123 00:09:39.475 --> 00:09:49.543 With disdain, I will throw down my gauntlet, full in face of the world, and see the collapse of this pygmy giant, whose fall will not stifle my ardor. 124 00:09:49.603 --> 00:09:59.011 Then I will wander godlike and victorious through the ruins of the world, and giving my words an act of force, I will feel equal to the creator. 125 00:09:59.751 --> 00:10:00.152 Wow. 126 00:10:01.132 --> 00:10:01.873 Imagine that. 127 00:10:03.200 --> 00:10:05.741 I'll give you one more, though there are many like this. 128 00:10:05.761 --> 00:10:13.122 What you just read, someone could right now turn to Ezekiel chapter 28 and Isaiah chapter 14. 129 00:10:13.222 --> 00:10:14.063 Yeah, of course. 130 00:10:14.263 --> 00:10:26.906 And of course, the opening throws of Matthew's gospel and Luke, and hear that same pitch where the enemy says, I am this one offering you all these things. 131 00:10:27.866 --> 00:10:32.587 Now, one more poem, and we could go on because there are others. 132 00:10:34.034 --> 00:10:38.437 I'll just, because of lack of time, I'll just read four lines. 133 00:10:39.157 --> 00:10:47.322 Thus heaven have I forfeited, I know full well, my soul once true to God is chosen for hell. 134 00:10:48.383 --> 00:10:53.065 When I read that, it just stopped my mind in my tracks. 135 00:10:53.205 --> 00:10:54.566 I mean, that gave me chills. 136 00:10:54.666 --> 00:10:55.767 Let me read it again. 137 00:10:56.407 --> 00:11:02.411 Thus heaven have I forfeited, I know full well, my soul once true to God is chosen for hell. 138 00:11:03.582 --> 00:11:05.644 Let me ask you a question, please. 139 00:11:06.004 --> 00:11:06.204 Yeah. 140 00:11:07.485 --> 00:11:08.806 Didn't he claim to be an atheist? 141 00:11:10.007 --> 00:11:11.668 How can...he's not an atheist. 142 00:11:12.329 --> 00:11:19.294 Well, if I read Marx, he is constantly railing against God. 143 00:11:20.735 --> 00:11:25.759 I think that to the end, he believed in God, but absolutely hated him. 144 00:11:25.900 --> 00:11:27.100 Hated him. 145 00:11:27.141 --> 00:11:29.222 Because he talks about rebelling against God. 146 00:11:29.242 --> 00:11:29.582 Competition. 147 00:11:29.602 --> 00:11:31.904 He talks about, you know, trying to... 148 00:11:33.690 --> 00:11:35.832 avenge himself before God, all that. 149 00:11:35.912 --> 00:11:44.098 Now, I have to say this very quickly, because there are people who are listening to me right now who are going to say, Pastor Luther, this is unfair. 150 00:11:44.178 --> 00:11:53.605 Because what the literature says is this, all of the Marxists say, don't judge him by this because it was pre-1848 when the Manifesto was written. 151 00:11:53.625 --> 00:11:54.486 Yeah, how convenient. 152 00:11:55.807 --> 00:12:01.672 But is it possible that a man can write this kind of poetry 153 00:12:02.577 --> 00:12:04.919 and not be greatly influenced by Satan. 154 00:12:04.999 --> 00:12:10.664 Now, one of the things that I did is, I read a book by Wurmbrand, Richard Wurmbrand. 155 00:12:10.684 --> 00:12:11.305 Richard Wurmbrand. 156 00:12:12.317 --> 00:12:16.618 You remember, he was a Romanian pastor in jail for 14 years. 157 00:12:16.658 --> 00:12:22.119 He was invited to speak at this church and became ill and died. 158 00:12:22.639 --> 00:12:25.560 He lived about 45 miles north of here. 159 00:12:26.040 --> 00:12:26.840 Richard Wombrandt. 160 00:12:27.141 --> 00:12:29.081 He wrote the book Tortured for Christ. 161 00:12:29.181 --> 00:12:34.042 Not only that, he wrote a book I read entitled, Was Karl Marx a Satanist? 162 00:12:34.122 --> 00:12:35.503 Yes, I have that book. 163 00:12:35.543 --> 00:12:36.243 Yes, correct. 164 00:12:36.423 --> 00:12:36.783 Wow. 165 00:12:37.723 --> 00:12:46.046 Now, he gives a lot of evidence, though of course we don't know exactly Marx's relationship to Satan, but this is so critical. 166 00:12:47.686 --> 00:12:50.887 Wurmbrand, who was persecuted by the Marxists... 167 00:12:51.047 --> 00:12:51.547 Brutally. 168 00:12:51.887 --> 00:12:52.408 Brutally. 169 00:12:54.268 --> 00:12:59.270 He details how the people who did the persecution 170 00:13:00.135 --> 00:13:01.216 took delight in it. 171 00:13:01.876 --> 00:13:06.218 In other words, it's one thing for them to kill you, but they tortured you first. 172 00:13:06.878 --> 00:13:14.582 And they were so joyous in their torturing, they wanted to torment you as much as they could before you died. 173 00:13:15.722 --> 00:13:22.225 So Wurmbrand said, Communism is collective demon possession. 174 00:13:22.765 --> 00:13:23.266 Interesting. 175 00:13:24.066 --> 00:13:26.147 What else could inspire people 176 00:13:27.050 --> 00:13:31.732 to do that kind of thing and to be able to take delight in torture. 177 00:13:32.212 --> 00:13:32.832 I believe that. 178 00:13:33.533 --> 00:13:34.693 It has to be demonic. 179 00:13:35.453 --> 00:13:39.435 So there's a man who shows the demonism that Karl Marx had. 180 00:13:41.141 --> 00:13:45.283 I know I'm doing a lot of talking, but I'm going to just continue to talk. 181 00:13:45.983 --> 00:13:46.904 You're being interviewed. 182 00:13:47.064 --> 00:13:48.365 I want you to keep going. 183 00:13:48.565 --> 00:13:50.206 I want people to get this book. 184 00:13:50.226 --> 00:13:53.167 I just want a little bit of coffee to keep me awake. 185 00:13:53.347 --> 00:13:56.369 You have that, and I want people to get this book. 186 00:13:56.429 --> 00:13:57.649 So that's what we're doing right now. 187 00:13:57.669 --> 00:13:58.450 We're working hard. 188 00:13:58.510 --> 00:14:03.612 It's entitled Marx and Moody because they were contemporaries for 46 years. 189 00:14:04.453 --> 00:14:07.034 Now, what was the Gospel of Marx? 190 00:14:09.525 --> 00:14:13.826 The Gospel is in my book that I just had with me. 191 00:14:14.186 --> 00:14:18.107 It's actually just back of me here, called The Communist Manifesto. 192 00:14:19.608 --> 00:14:21.208 So I read the book very carefully. 193 00:14:21.248 --> 00:14:27.850 I read it more than once, line by line, and the things that I discovered there were absolutely fascinating. 194 00:14:29.370 --> 00:14:38.693 Marx and Engels said this, that the basic premise of Marxism, of socialism, of communism, 195 00:14:39.953 --> 00:14:45.155 was the destruction of anyone who had private property. 196 00:14:45.435 --> 00:14:46.895 That's the bottom line. 197 00:14:46.915 --> 00:14:52.977 He said, I can summarize this, that there should be no private property. 198 00:14:53.557 --> 00:14:56.078 So everything should be owned by the state. 199 00:14:56.698 --> 00:14:58.279 God says thou shalt not steal. 200 00:14:58.639 --> 00:15:07.122 Yeah, so what he needed was some criminals who were gonna go out there and steal, kill, destroy, without conscience, and to do this. 201 00:15:09.721 --> 00:15:19.344 Many people like to read the last part of the Communist Manifesto, which says this, workers of all lands unite. 202 00:15:20.204 --> 00:15:20.604 Mm-hmm. 203 00:15:20.864 --> 00:15:22.665 Workers of all lands unite. 204 00:15:22.685 --> 00:15:29.287 Okay, in fact, that's Honest Tombstone, where I was in London, as well as another quote that we don't have to get into here. 205 00:15:30.267 --> 00:15:33.388 But they don't read the preceding paragraph. 206 00:15:35.089 --> 00:15:38.590 The preceding paragraph says this, that communism, 207 00:15:39.858 --> 00:15:48.542 must be brought about by the forcible downfall and destruction of all society. 208 00:15:49.143 --> 00:15:53.905 Now, Marx did not believe that the present situation could be fixed. 209 00:15:54.465 --> 00:15:55.506 There were abuses. 210 00:15:56.226 --> 00:16:04.130 I mean, the industrialization, you know, was mistreating their workers, paying them as little as they possibly can. 211 00:16:04.976 --> 00:16:10.122 So there's nobody arguing about the fact that there were terrible abuses that were going on. 212 00:16:11.002 --> 00:16:12.444 But his view was this. 213 00:16:13.025 --> 00:16:14.266 It cannot be fixed. 214 00:16:15.127 --> 00:16:17.269 It has to be totally destroyed. 215 00:16:18.090 --> 00:16:22.695 And then on the rubble of the destruction of the past, because now that the 216 00:16:23.434 --> 00:16:30.938 now that the proletariat, now that the workers were in charge, they will just bring about such equality. 217 00:16:31.038 --> 00:16:31.418 Beautiful. 218 00:16:31.898 --> 00:16:32.819 Beautiful. 219 00:16:33.599 --> 00:16:36.041 In fact, life is going to be so wonderful. 220 00:16:36.061 --> 00:16:40.123 But mind you, you cannot have freedom of speech because 221 00:16:40.963 --> 00:16:46.487 what we're going to do is to also take away your freedoms because you're going to argue against this. 222 00:16:47.288 --> 00:16:52.071 And so along with that, there was the abolishment of freedom of speech. 223 00:16:52.692 --> 00:16:57.275 So the first thing that you have to think about when you think of Marxism is theft. 224 00:16:57.895 --> 00:16:58.336 That's right. 225 00:16:58.676 --> 00:17:06.342 And destruction and killing anyone who was part of the bourgeoisie, namely the other folks who were the owners. 226 00:17:06.382 --> 00:17:07.783 The people who had, yeah. 227 00:17:08.063 --> 00:17:09.444 All right, let me go to a second. 228 00:17:10.107 --> 00:17:13.870 Belief in God must be transferred to belief in the state. 229 00:17:14.070 --> 00:17:19.113 Oh, boy, that's... Marx says, no longer do you pray, give us this day our daily bread. 230 00:17:19.133 --> 00:17:20.154 You pray to the state. 231 00:17:20.214 --> 00:17:21.655 The state will give you your daily bread. 232 00:17:21.675 --> 00:17:23.756 That's the state we're living in right now, California. 233 00:17:23.916 --> 00:17:25.998 Yeah, they'll get... 234 00:17:26.158 --> 00:17:26.958 They'll take care of us. 235 00:17:27.138 --> 00:17:27.799 They'll take care of you. 236 00:17:27.819 --> 00:17:28.319 Pray to the grave. 237 00:17:28.459 --> 00:17:28.699 Right. 238 00:17:29.640 --> 00:17:33.983 Marx believed that, you know, religion was the opium of the people. 239 00:17:34.083 --> 00:17:37.225 It put them to sleep because people began to think, you know what? 240 00:17:39.354 --> 00:17:43.317 we're being persecuted and mistreated here, but we have heaven as our home. 241 00:17:43.757 --> 00:17:46.059 So what you have to do is to totally destroy that. 242 00:17:46.139 --> 00:17:47.660 Now, Marx was a materialist. 243 00:17:48.101 --> 00:17:49.562 He did not believe in the soul. 244 00:17:50.022 --> 00:17:51.683 He did not believe in eternity. 245 00:17:51.703 --> 00:17:53.285 There was no judgment to come. 246 00:17:53.745 --> 00:17:54.706 We were simply here. 247 00:17:54.746 --> 00:17:56.427 He was very impressed with Darwin. 248 00:17:57.128 --> 00:18:01.651 So belief in God, and the whole basis of his thesis is this. 249 00:18:02.412 --> 00:18:05.314 Men do evil because of oppression. 250 00:18:06.240 --> 00:18:07.681 So you have to do away with God. 251 00:18:07.861 --> 00:18:11.664 And then the next point is definitely destroying the family. 252 00:18:11.844 --> 00:18:12.304 Why? 253 00:18:13.405 --> 00:18:18.488 Because you see, the family was a unit of oppression. 254 00:18:18.608 --> 00:18:19.929 Men oppressed their wives. 255 00:18:20.029 --> 00:18:22.411 Parents oppressed their children and took them to church. 256 00:18:22.491 --> 00:18:24.272 And God was the ultimate oppressor. 257 00:18:24.832 --> 00:18:27.194 So the family had to be destroyed. 258 00:18:28.340 --> 00:18:30.641 In fact, Engels wrote a book about this. 259 00:18:30.881 --> 00:18:32.622 Engels did not believe in marriage. 260 00:18:32.662 --> 00:18:35.684 He had numerous affairs and so forth. 261 00:18:36.344 --> 00:18:46.649 And recently I saw a thing on television regarding the DSA, the Democratic Socialists of America. 262 00:18:47.490 --> 00:18:50.872 And they said that you don't need to be married. 263 00:18:50.892 --> 00:18:53.373 You can have any relationship that you want because 264 00:18:54.349 --> 00:18:57.650 The collective is going to take care of your children. 265 00:18:58.011 --> 00:19:14.197 And Marx also said, and Engels, I should say, also said this, and I have the quote in the book, of course, where he said that what you have to do is to realize that children should be taken from their parents as soon as they can live without their mothers. 266 00:19:15.117 --> 00:19:21.460 So the destruction of the family was very, very important because they knew that it would be that. 267 00:19:21.980 --> 00:19:22.240 Well... 268 00:19:22.590 --> 00:19:23.750 We have to hurry on here. 269 00:19:23.870 --> 00:19:26.251 Truth and laws are socially constructed. 270 00:19:26.791 --> 00:19:33.293 What Marx says is this, there are supposed eternal truths, like freedom, and he lists a number of them. 271 00:19:33.393 --> 00:19:37.155 Did he actually mention them as eternal, even though he doesn't believe in the spirit realm? 272 00:19:37.315 --> 00:19:38.995 He said as eternal truths. 273 00:19:39.035 --> 00:19:39.816 What a contradiction. 274 00:19:39.976 --> 00:19:45.657 But he says that Marxism does away with these and abolishes all eternal truths. 275 00:19:45.757 --> 00:19:50.279 Because you see, he says that the laws and so forth are just made by the people in power. 276 00:19:50.989 --> 00:19:52.610 So there's no objective truth. 277 00:19:52.630 --> 00:19:56.451 So he did not believe in natural law where our founding fathers, for example, No, no. 278 00:19:56.571 --> 00:20:04.334 made the first and second amendments, the first and second amendments, because that's written in the human heart and there's no legislation that can make that go away. 279 00:20:04.354 --> 00:20:05.054 Yeah. 280 00:20:05.274 --> 00:20:06.114 He did not believe that. 281 00:20:06.214 --> 00:20:08.355 No, no, no, no. 282 00:20:08.395 --> 00:20:13.117 What you had to do is to abolish the family and truth and laws are socially constructed. 283 00:20:15.197 --> 00:20:15.397 Wow. 284 00:20:15.537 --> 00:20:17.458 Here's how it impacts America. 285 00:20:19.577 --> 00:20:21.799 Think of the students in university today. 286 00:20:22.099 --> 00:20:23.179 There's been a transfer. 287 00:20:23.259 --> 00:20:27.782 Truth used to be, when I went to university, something objective out there. 288 00:20:27.843 --> 00:20:32.826 We disagreed as to whether or not we were able to get to it, whether or not how we should get to it. 289 00:20:32.846 --> 00:20:33.586 Yeah, critical thinking. 290 00:20:33.606 --> 00:20:35.187 But it existed outside of us. 291 00:20:35.347 --> 00:20:35.508 Yeah. 292 00:20:35.868 --> 00:20:37.749 Now truth becomes within us. 293 00:20:37.969 --> 00:20:38.169 Yeah. 294 00:20:38.550 --> 00:20:41.552 So truth is my truth, your truth is your truth. 295 00:20:41.572 --> 00:20:41.932 Yeah, I feel this. 296 00:20:42.432 --> 00:20:46.535 Yeah, and whatever you feel like, that's your truth. 297 00:20:47.227 --> 00:20:53.213 And so what Marx would say is that there is indeed that kind of truth. 298 00:20:53.374 --> 00:21:08.750 And so laws and so forth can be brought into existence, but eventually, amazingly, you won't need them because everyone is going to live so happily and they will not need 299 00:21:09.603 --> 00:21:10.083 laws. 300 00:21:10.943 --> 00:21:12.724 They will live... What a demonic doctrine. 301 00:21:12.744 --> 00:21:13.264 Think about that. 302 00:21:13.404 --> 00:21:14.484 Doctrines of demons. 303 00:21:14.964 --> 00:21:17.365 You don't need God to renew you. 304 00:21:17.445 --> 00:21:18.945 You can reform yourself. 305 00:21:19.545 --> 00:21:20.106 Exactly. 306 00:21:21.146 --> 00:21:34.009 Now, one of the things I'm looking for here is a quotation, which I may not be able to find immediately, but I want to say this, that regarding the next point is this, which I've already emphasized. 307 00:21:34.729 --> 00:21:37.750 It can only be brought about by a violent... 308 00:21:37.770 --> 00:21:37.950 Yes. 309 00:21:38.736 --> 00:21:43.217 revolution, only by a violent revolution. 310 00:21:43.538 --> 00:21:43.758 Why? 311 00:21:44.058 --> 00:21:55.021 Because if you're going to say the state is going to own everything and all property owners have to be willing to give up what they own, obviously that's not going to go over very well. 312 00:21:55.602 --> 00:22:03.024 And so what you have is this tremendous desire to have the state own everything. 313 00:22:03.869 --> 00:22:10.113 And people will not fight anymore because there's nothing to fight over because we're always fighting over property and money. 314 00:22:10.454 --> 00:22:14.416 So if the state owns everything, we are going to get along just wonderfully. 315 00:22:14.436 --> 00:22:15.577 It wasn't too long ago. 316 00:22:15.657 --> 00:22:21.441 Maybe it was like the 2024 election cycle where we were hearing the verbiage that sounded like this. 317 00:22:22.922 --> 00:22:23.402 You'll be. 318 00:22:23.422 --> 00:22:24.643 Yeah, I know. 319 00:22:24.863 --> 00:22:28.366 There'll be a day when you won't own anything and you'll love it. 320 00:22:28.566 --> 00:22:28.946 Right. 321 00:22:28.966 --> 00:22:29.807 You'll be happy. 322 00:22:29.887 --> 00:22:31.308 Wow. 323 00:22:31.328 --> 00:22:31.488 Wow. 324 00:22:33.403 --> 00:22:36.988 Since you mentioned it, I found the quote that I wanted. 325 00:22:37.068 --> 00:22:37.609 Look at here. 326 00:22:39.431 --> 00:22:45.439 Marx believed that the world had to be remade and all work would be freely chosen. 327 00:22:45.920 --> 00:22:50.066 Now, this is not in the manifesto, but it is in a different document that he wrote. 328 00:22:50.810 --> 00:23:06.517 This makes it possible for me to do one thing today, another tomorrow, to hunt in the morning, fish in the afternoon, rear cattle in the evening, criticize after dinner, just as I have in mind without ever becoming a hunter, fisherman, shepherd or critic. 329 00:23:07.877 --> 00:23:08.477 Wow. 330 00:23:08.698 --> 00:23:09.438 Oh, okay. 331 00:23:10.398 --> 00:23:13.300 What a world, no wonder you can sell Marxism. 332 00:23:13.540 --> 00:23:16.521 So let me question you on that one. 333 00:23:18.053 --> 00:23:19.554 Everything that he said is not bad. 334 00:23:19.894 --> 00:23:25.497 It'd be great to go hunting or in California, surfing in the morning, snow skiing in the afternoon. 335 00:23:26.177 --> 00:23:27.198 Get a, I get that. 336 00:23:28.719 --> 00:23:37.343 In reality, if that is something that you actually would like to do, there's only one way to achieve those pleasures. 337 00:23:37.843 --> 00:23:40.565 And that's through capitalism, not Marxism. 338 00:23:41.465 --> 00:23:43.166 What he just said, his desire, 339 00:23:45.079 --> 00:23:47.240 That can only be achieved by capitalism. 340 00:23:47.580 --> 00:23:48.680 Yes, as a matter of fact. 341 00:23:48.700 --> 00:23:50.600 Leisure is an expression of wealth. 342 00:23:50.680 --> 00:23:50.981 Yeah. 343 00:23:51.301 --> 00:23:54.161 In other words, yeah, you can do that on vacation. 344 00:23:54.742 --> 00:23:59.943 But the point is this, that Marx was saying this was going to be universal. 345 00:24:00.083 --> 00:24:02.343 It was going to be a way of life. 346 00:24:02.544 --> 00:24:05.784 And all of your needs are met by the state. 347 00:24:06.425 --> 00:24:10.646 Every move that you make, it's all taken care of by the state. 348 00:24:11.686 --> 00:24:12.226 Next question. 349 00:24:12.837 --> 00:24:14.958 He believed in a borderless world. 350 00:24:15.959 --> 00:24:17.580 He believed in globalism. 351 00:24:17.660 --> 00:24:23.543 This also is in the manifesto because even in the very statement... That's going to be in your book? 352 00:24:23.623 --> 00:24:24.564 That quote right there? 353 00:24:24.764 --> 00:24:26.905 This is like breaking news today. 354 00:24:27.705 --> 00:24:29.086 And it's in his book? 355 00:24:29.146 --> 00:24:29.907 No More Borders. 356 00:24:30.647 --> 00:24:31.888 One World Community. 357 00:24:32.368 --> 00:24:37.131 In fact, in the manifesto, he talks about one bank... 358 00:24:37.868 --> 00:24:42.931 that would take care of all the transactions because nobody would really own anything. 359 00:24:42.971 --> 00:24:47.153 What people need to do is to understand that in socialism, you never work for yourself. 360 00:24:47.193 --> 00:24:57.118 You're always working for the state and the state dimmies out all of the blessings very, very easily and very fairly. 361 00:24:57.639 --> 00:25:01.861 And that's why I like to quote Winston Churchill and I'll see if I can pull this out of my mind. 362 00:25:01.901 --> 00:25:03.662 He said, the great curse 363 00:25:07.320 --> 00:25:22.385 of capitalism is the uneven distribution of blessings, but the great virtue of socialism is the equal distribution... Distribution. 364 00:25:22.525 --> 00:25:24.646 Distribution of misery. 365 00:25:25.186 --> 00:25:26.567 So everybody's equal. 366 00:25:26.607 --> 00:25:31.729 As a matter of fact, I heard somebody... You don't wallow in our sorrows together and like it. 367 00:25:32.889 --> 00:25:34.970 I heard somebody talk about how wonderful 368 00:25:35.693 --> 00:25:41.677 health care was in Cuba, not because it was good, it was terrible, but it was equal. 369 00:25:42.278 --> 00:25:43.098 That's the point. 370 00:25:43.859 --> 00:25:50.504 See, you have to understand that in Marxism, if anybody is rich, he's done it on the backs of the poor. 371 00:25:51.184 --> 00:26:03.013 And if you look at the world generally, the belief is that America is rich because other countries are poor and that we were built on the backs of poor countries and therefore we owe 372 00:26:03.624 --> 00:26:04.664 to other countries. 373 00:26:04.904 --> 00:26:06.225 Yeah, big lie. 374 00:26:06.565 --> 00:26:08.945 Yeah, because it's as if you cannot. 375 00:26:09.145 --> 00:26:17.427 And then, of course, you also have, as I mentioned, globalism and that central bank. 376 00:26:17.508 --> 00:26:21.328 Now, let's apply this just a little bit, okay? 377 00:26:22.909 --> 00:26:27.430 On two occasions, it was my privilege to preach in Albania. 378 00:26:29.090 --> 00:26:31.331 Albania has a fascinating history. 379 00:26:32.453 --> 00:26:40.695 As a matter of fact, it's mentioned in the New Testament, the Apostle Paul in the book of Romans, where he talks about one country that doesn't come to my mind immediately. 380 00:26:40.855 --> 00:26:42.375 It's actually in Albania. 381 00:26:42.896 --> 00:26:44.256 Albania is next to Greece. 382 00:26:44.276 --> 00:26:44.856 Makes sense. 383 00:26:44.916 --> 00:26:48.657 I mean, I'm looking at my globe, my map of the Adriatic or the Aegean. 384 00:26:48.677 --> 00:26:48.837 Right. 385 00:26:50.517 --> 00:26:52.958 Both of those, by the way, border Albania. 386 00:26:53.318 --> 00:26:56.419 Now, at first they became Catholic. 387 00:26:57.684 --> 00:27:02.206 Some of them were Orthodox after 1054, the big split. 388 00:27:02.727 --> 00:27:04.788 Some of them retained their Catholicism. 389 00:27:05.548 --> 00:27:11.211 That's why when they celebrate Easter, one part of the country celebrates it at a different day than the other. 390 00:27:11.231 --> 00:27:11.891 Like a week later. 391 00:27:12.912 --> 00:27:13.672 Yeah, and so forth. 392 00:27:13.952 --> 00:27:16.574 And then after that, you have Islam coming. 393 00:27:17.458 --> 00:27:22.581 Islam, of course, shut down many churches and took away so many freedoms. 394 00:27:22.661 --> 00:27:24.082 That's a whole separate story. 395 00:27:24.882 --> 00:27:26.483 A lot like what you're describing here. 396 00:27:26.803 --> 00:27:33.767 They thrive on disrupting a culture, and then they go and offer the solution, thereby taking over. 397 00:27:34.048 --> 00:27:41.952 Even now in Albania, Muslims actually encourage people to convert because they say, we'll give you a cow, we'll give you money, and so forth. 398 00:27:42.713 --> 00:27:46.195 But the point is this, that then... 399 00:27:47.735 --> 00:27:53.437 Mussolini came because they wanted the resources of Albania. 400 00:27:53.958 --> 00:27:57.439 So the Italians show up and they want to take over the country. 401 00:27:57.479 --> 00:27:59.300 And the people, of course, rebelled against that. 402 00:28:00.000 --> 00:28:04.522 And then, oh, praise God, here comes Russia. 403 00:28:05.242 --> 00:28:06.362 They will deliver us. 404 00:28:09.404 --> 00:28:10.104 Oh, Jack. 405 00:28:10.344 --> 00:28:10.544 Wow. 406 00:28:10.564 --> 00:28:10.744 Yeah. 407 00:28:11.805 --> 00:28:12.585 In Albania, 408 00:28:13.508 --> 00:28:21.133 There is a museum that you go into today that shows the persecution that the communists did, and it's enough to curl your hair. 409 00:28:22.234 --> 00:28:26.477 I mean, pastors and priests were tied together with chains. 410 00:28:27.077 --> 00:28:28.318 They were all shot together. 411 00:28:28.358 --> 00:28:32.941 They're uncovering graves even today of people who died that way. 412 00:28:33.721 --> 00:28:34.562 Now, here's the thing. 413 00:28:34.602 --> 00:28:41.727 In 1965, they declared that they were the first genuinely communist country. 414 00:28:42.742 --> 00:28:44.463 Genuinely... Albania. 415 00:28:44.623 --> 00:28:45.124 Albania. 416 00:28:45.284 --> 00:28:47.125 What made that so unique? 417 00:28:47.425 --> 00:28:50.867 Well, so unique is that was the official doctrine. 418 00:28:51.688 --> 00:28:53.729 How did that extend to the people? 419 00:28:55.170 --> 00:28:58.652 No religious references in funerals or in weddings. 420 00:28:59.753 --> 00:29:00.753 And catch this. 421 00:29:02.354 --> 00:29:05.016 If you have a child by a biblical name... 422 00:29:05.856 --> 00:29:08.939 That name has to be changed before the end of the year. 423 00:29:09.120 --> 00:29:10.501 You have a child by the name of Paul. 424 00:29:10.781 --> 00:29:11.802 That's a biblical name. 425 00:29:11.923 --> 00:29:13.144 You have to change the name. 426 00:29:13.744 --> 00:29:15.466 You have a daughter by the name of Ruth. 427 00:29:15.787 --> 00:29:17.949 Change the name because it's a biblical name. 428 00:29:18.570 --> 00:29:22.333 It said this, that our fight is constantly against God. 429 00:29:22.494 --> 00:29:23.995 In the book, of course, I quote it exactly. 430 00:29:24.015 --> 00:29:25.136 The God that we don't believe in. 431 00:29:25.176 --> 00:29:26.518 We're fighting constantly. 432 00:29:27.167 --> 00:29:30.448 that we are fighting constantly a God that we don't believe in. 433 00:29:31.248 --> 00:29:33.768 And so the persecution was unbelievable. 434 00:29:33.928 --> 00:29:45.470 Even today, Albania, even though there was a revolution in 1991 where the communist regime was thrown off, so to speak, it has never recovered. 435 00:29:46.490 --> 00:29:51.071 The economy, I have to tell you there... Yeah, when was the last time you bought something from Albania? 436 00:29:53.252 --> 00:29:54.972 I was having... 437 00:29:55.425 --> 00:30:01.428 coffee with the Secretary of the State of, of Albania, Secretary of State. 438 00:30:02.688 --> 00:30:12.633 And in the, in the restaurant, there came a man, and the Secretary said, that man is running for mayor of this city. 439 00:30:13.693 --> 00:30:23.138 So when I was finished with the Secretary of State, I went over to that man, and I said, can you tell me what your greatest problem is here, 440 00:30:24.015 --> 00:30:24.756 in your city. 441 00:30:25.317 --> 00:30:26.098 You know what he said? 442 00:30:26.118 --> 00:30:35.070 The greatest problem is that people are still using coal to burn and it is hurting their environment. 443 00:30:35.250 --> 00:30:36.091 Oh, of course. 444 00:30:36.932 --> 00:30:37.853 It's the environment. 445 00:30:38.655 --> 00:30:39.596 It's the environment. 446 00:30:41.552 --> 00:30:42.533 Poverty all over. 447 00:30:42.573 --> 00:30:42.753 Yeah. 448 00:30:43.133 --> 00:30:43.934 People begging. 449 00:30:44.615 --> 00:30:48.678 But the greatest problem is they still use wood-burning stoves. 450 00:30:48.718 --> 00:30:49.679 Yeah, that's the big problem. 451 00:30:49.779 --> 00:30:50.399 That's the big problem. 452 00:30:50.419 --> 00:30:51.180 Does that sound familiar? 453 00:30:51.300 --> 00:30:53.382 Friends, listen, does that sound familiar in America? 454 00:30:53.522 --> 00:30:53.702 Yeah. 455 00:30:53.842 --> 00:31:10.356 How the Democrat Party in the United States has this incredible compassion for the environment, but they're okay leaving people homeless, hooked on drugs, fentanyl, dying in our streets, but let's minimize our carbon footprint. 456 00:31:11.792 --> 00:31:14.034 Yeah, and that's exactly where we come to. 457 00:31:14.094 --> 00:31:25.222 Now, to everyone who's listening, and I'm saying this with a heavy heart, every once in a while we come across people who say politics doesn't matter. 458 00:31:27.864 --> 00:31:32.407 Well, when I meet somebody like that, I said, would you prefer to live in North Korea or South Korea? 459 00:31:32.467 --> 00:31:33.488 Exactly. 460 00:31:33.548 --> 00:31:34.488 What would be your choice? 461 00:31:34.508 --> 00:31:34.909 Yeah, pick. 462 00:31:35.729 --> 00:31:37.150 But let's look at Albania. 463 00:31:37.651 --> 00:31:37.931 Wow. 464 00:31:39.825 --> 00:31:56.103 Did you know that the churches and the mosques, for that sake, were so destroyed and closed when the communists were in power that I was told growing up there probably are no Christians at all 465 00:31:57.083 --> 00:31:58.143 in Albania. 466 00:31:58.424 --> 00:31:59.624 Do you know how bad things were? 467 00:32:00.464 --> 00:32:09.688 Missionaries put New Testaments into plastic bags and sent them down the river hoping that some Christian would pick them up. 468 00:32:10.388 --> 00:32:13.270 Because if you were found with a Bible, you were put to death. 469 00:32:13.310 --> 00:32:19.292 And when I was there, I was preaching in a church where an old woman was there with a Bible... Can I ask you what year that was when you were preaching? 470 00:32:19.892 --> 00:32:22.894 Yeah, that would have been 19... 471 00:32:23.815 --> 00:32:28.019 Excuse me, not 19, 2023 I think it was. 472 00:32:28.599 --> 00:32:29.420 Very recently. 473 00:32:29.440 --> 00:32:30.581 Oh my goodness. 474 00:32:30.661 --> 00:32:31.722 Now, they have freedom now. 475 00:32:32.242 --> 00:32:40.529 As a matter of fact, the second time I was there, I preached to 1800 people in a service in which I preached one minute after you die. 476 00:32:40.669 --> 00:32:47.534 So, the church has begun to grow after that because now they had a degree of freedom. 477 00:32:49.190 --> 00:32:53.876 Good government cannot save us, but bad government can shut us down. 478 00:32:54.517 --> 00:32:55.017 Exactly. 479 00:32:55.458 --> 00:32:58.321 I mean, I hate to say it so clearly, but that's... 480 00:32:58.341 --> 00:32:59.182 It's crystal clear. 481 00:32:59.202 --> 00:33:00.124 It's crystal clear. 482 00:33:00.664 --> 00:33:03.688 So, in this church, there was a woman... 483 00:33:05.445 --> 00:33:11.107 who came and she had a Bible and she said, this Bible survived the revolution. 484 00:33:11.167 --> 00:33:16.169 She said, we met silently in our home, just a few people, and this was the Bible. 485 00:33:16.209 --> 00:33:18.610 So I had my picture taken with her with the Bible. 486 00:33:19.131 --> 00:33:29.155 And I thought that's one of the most precious pictures I've ever had taken, where I saw and held in my own hands the Bible that survived the revolution. 487 00:33:29.775 --> 00:33:31.796 Now, all that to say, 488 00:33:32.428 --> 00:33:34.590 that that's communism applied. 489 00:33:35.310 --> 00:33:38.873 That's communism applied, totally applied. 490 00:33:40.014 --> 00:33:44.097 And as a result, of course, you have those terrible things. 491 00:33:44.177 --> 00:33:48.380 Now, once again, Jack, I'm continuing to talk here a lot. 492 00:33:48.700 --> 00:33:53.844 Feel free to interrupt me or ask a question, but I want to talk about Marxism in America. 493 00:33:53.904 --> 00:33:54.605 Can I do that? 494 00:33:54.985 --> 00:33:56.606 Yeah, in fact, can you just, yes, before you do, 495 00:34:01.181 --> 00:34:03.463 It's actually a segue to what you're going to say then. 496 00:34:04.123 --> 00:34:09.267 You just mentioned the Marxism applied. 497 00:34:09.708 --> 00:34:14.792 In my mind, before something is applied, it's theoretical. 498 00:34:15.712 --> 00:34:20.816 If I'm working in a laboratory, it's theoretical on the chalkboard until we do it. 499 00:34:21.657 --> 00:34:28.282 So in America, we have been flirting with the theory of socialism and 500 00:34:30.673 --> 00:34:37.277 What concerns me is some time ago, how long has it been, nine months ago or something, New York? 501 00:34:39.558 --> 00:34:46.422 New York voted in a Muslim socialist, right? 502 00:34:47.803 --> 00:34:48.943 That's no longer theory. 503 00:34:49.584 --> 00:34:50.604 Now it's applied. 504 00:34:53.440 --> 00:34:54.500 So America, yes. 505 00:34:54.860 --> 00:35:00.042 But I have to say this, that I've heard that this vote was only the beginning. 506 00:35:00.602 --> 00:35:01.602 This is not the end. 507 00:35:02.843 --> 00:35:04.103 There's more to be conquered. 508 00:35:04.163 --> 00:35:04.783 Absolutely. 509 00:35:04.823 --> 00:35:05.143 That's Islam. 510 00:35:05.163 --> 00:35:06.944 There's more now to be conquered. 511 00:35:07.184 --> 00:35:07.904 That's jihad. 512 00:35:07.924 --> 00:35:10.285 We have to see how that all is going to turn out. 513 00:35:10.385 --> 00:35:10.565 Yep. 514 00:35:11.325 --> 00:35:11.725 All right. 515 00:35:11.865 --> 00:35:14.866 So, Gramsci, you've probably heard of him. 516 00:35:15.526 --> 00:35:16.767 He was in prison. 517 00:35:17.187 --> 00:35:19.368 Actually, Mussolini put him in prison. 518 00:35:20.048 --> 00:35:20.808 Gramsci was a... 519 00:35:21.322 --> 00:35:23.524 ardent Marxist and very brilliant. 520 00:35:24.604 --> 00:35:31.249 And Mussolini put him in prison because we have to distinguish fascism and communism. 521 00:35:31.690 --> 00:35:38.214 Fascism is very nationalistic, whereas communism was class distinctions. 522 00:35:38.675 --> 00:35:41.196 That was what Marx was very important about. 523 00:35:41.757 --> 00:35:49.943 And Gramsci knew that the kind of revolution that happened in Russia was not a good advertisement for Marxism. 524 00:35:51.272 --> 00:36:03.996 So what he came up with, and there's a quotation, which is in my book, where I talk about the fact that he said we have to apply Marxism through the long march through the institutions. 525 00:36:04.656 --> 00:36:07.077 That's why we have today cultural Marxism. 526 00:36:07.097 --> 00:36:07.537 There you go. 527 00:36:07.837 --> 00:36:10.978 So cultural Marxism, and this is what Gramsci said. 528 00:36:12.403 --> 00:36:15.904 He said that there were two hindrances to communism in America. 529 00:36:15.944 --> 00:36:20.906 First of all, he thought that all the workers would rise up and capture the factories and stuff, but it didn't happen. 530 00:36:21.646 --> 00:36:23.086 There are two things that hinder them. 531 00:36:23.326 --> 00:36:29.188 Number one is Christianity, because Christianity blinds people to the beauties of communism. 532 00:36:30.189 --> 00:36:32.769 One was Christianity and the other was capitalism. 533 00:36:33.450 --> 00:36:41.332 So he said what we have to do is to destroy the culture first, and then the economic revolution will take place later. 534 00:36:42.470 --> 00:36:45.492 So you have it at Columbia University. 535 00:36:45.932 --> 00:36:48.054 You've heard of the Frankfurt School in Germany. 536 00:36:48.074 --> 00:36:48.354 Absolutely. 537 00:36:48.394 --> 00:36:49.675 Columbia University. 538 00:36:50.215 --> 00:36:51.276 You have these Marxists. 539 00:36:51.336 --> 00:36:52.317 Same in Heidelberg. 540 00:36:52.777 --> 00:36:53.778 Yeah, right. 541 00:36:55.139 --> 00:36:56.680 Marxists meeting together. 542 00:36:57.100 --> 00:37:11.430 And what they began to do is to say, how can we apply Marxism step by step, incrementally, so that people will eventually see its beauty and accept it without an awful revolution? 543 00:37:11.450 --> 00:37:11.630 Yeah. 544 00:37:12.934 --> 00:37:15.695 All right, come to my city of Chicago. 545 00:37:16.855 --> 00:37:21.217 Here we have a man by the name of Saul Alinsky who died in 19... 546 00:37:22.657 --> 00:37:29.919 Excuse me, the time should come to my... 1970-something. 547 00:37:29.939 --> 00:37:31.000 He looks about... 548 00:37:31.320 --> 00:37:31.740 Terrible. 549 00:37:31.760 --> 00:37:36.781 ...and asks the question, how can Marxism be applied to the issue of race? 550 00:37:37.602 --> 00:37:41.903 Now, through the providence of God, and I attribute this to God, 551 00:37:42.748 --> 00:37:47.029 I happened to meet one of Saul Olenski's workers. 552 00:37:47.509 --> 00:37:48.530 Was it Hillary Clinton? 553 00:37:49.490 --> 00:37:49.670 No. 554 00:37:49.710 --> 00:37:50.810 Sorry, I had to say that. 555 00:37:51.511 --> 00:37:52.431 She studied him though. 556 00:37:52.471 --> 00:37:54.411 She was a master of his work. 557 00:37:55.392 --> 00:37:56.652 And this is what he told me. 558 00:37:57.592 --> 00:38:03.494 He said, we had good plans to help the under-resourced communities of Chicago. 559 00:38:04.331 --> 00:38:11.996 And Saul Alinsky blocked them because he says our purpose is not to solve problems. 560 00:38:12.236 --> 00:38:14.778 It is to use problems. 561 00:38:15.759 --> 00:38:19.581 In Chicago, it was uttered a different way. 562 00:38:19.741 --> 00:38:20.542 Same doctrine. 563 00:38:21.342 --> 00:38:27.807 Rahm Emanuel said, never let a crisis be wasted. 564 00:38:28.047 --> 00:38:28.247 Yes. 565 00:38:28.267 --> 00:38:28.367 Yes. 566 00:38:30.217 --> 00:38:31.558 So here's what you have. 567 00:38:31.698 --> 00:38:38.743 Now, when I came to Moody Church in 1980, the great emphasis was on racial reconciliation. 568 00:38:39.304 --> 00:38:40.505 We did all that we could. 569 00:38:40.545 --> 00:38:46.669 Of course, Moody Church, even now today, has people from about 75 different countries of origin. 570 00:38:46.689 --> 00:38:46.909 Beautiful. 571 00:38:46.929 --> 00:38:49.151 And we rejoice in the fact that we are- Absolutely, it's like heaven. 572 00:38:49.311 --> 00:38:53.074 You know, you think about heaven where every- Kendra, tribe, tongue, and nation. 573 00:38:53.094 --> 00:38:53.514 Yeah, amen. 574 00:38:53.774 --> 00:38:54.495 Hallelujah. 575 00:38:54.515 --> 00:38:55.636 So that was it. 576 00:38:55.816 --> 00:38:58.037 Then critical race theory came along. 577 00:38:59.175 --> 00:39:13.162 And suddenly you have rising up this antagonism, deliberately intended to keep the races apart, deliberately intended to continue to blame and shame. 578 00:39:13.722 --> 00:39:18.325 Instead of meeting at the foot of the cross and asking ourselves, what can we do to make things better? 579 00:39:18.905 --> 00:39:20.346 Because there are disparities. 580 00:39:21.326 --> 00:39:22.747 We no longer ask that. 581 00:39:23.447 --> 00:39:28.210 Because now suddenly you have the blaming and the shaming and the shaming. 582 00:39:28.832 --> 00:39:33.818 with the intention of never bringing about a real reconciliation. 583 00:39:35.614 --> 00:39:38.116 Oh, Jack, there's just so much to say, but I have to say this. 584 00:39:38.196 --> 00:39:42.580 People have to buy your book to get all that wants to be said. 585 00:39:42.861 --> 00:39:50.127 It's all in there entitled Marx and Moody, Two Contemporaries, Two Gospels, and Two Tombstones. 586 00:39:50.928 --> 00:39:58.274 Don't let me finish this interview without telling you what is on the tombstone of Moody. 587 00:39:58.414 --> 00:39:58.675 Yes. 588 00:39:58.935 --> 00:39:59.595 Okay. 589 00:39:59.655 --> 00:40:00.857 I'll remind myself. 590 00:40:03.834 --> 00:40:04.275 All right. 591 00:40:04.635 --> 00:40:06.717 Now, let's look at the Bible. 592 00:40:06.878 --> 00:40:10.101 What's the Bible answer to the different races? 593 00:40:10.201 --> 00:40:10.862 Exactly. 594 00:40:11.382 --> 00:40:14.626 I'm quoting here from the fourth chapter of the book of Colossians. 595 00:40:15.527 --> 00:40:24.196 In Christ, there's neither Jew nor Greek, bond nor free, Scythian, barbarian... 596 00:40:25.714 --> 00:40:27.375 but all are one in Christ. 597 00:40:27.875 --> 00:40:28.215 Okay. 598 00:40:28.836 --> 00:40:34.059 That doesn't mean that Jews become Greeks and Greeks become Jews or barbarians become Scythians. 599 00:40:34.979 --> 00:40:40.142 But what does it mean that there's a transcendent unity that we should show and we should work toward? 600 00:40:40.562 --> 00:40:50.688 So I'm going to simply say in one sentence, all that I'm going to say about this in this context, critical race theory tears apart everything that Jesus died to bring together. 601 00:40:50.748 --> 00:40:51.508 Exactly fact. 602 00:40:52.309 --> 00:40:52.949 Absolutely. 603 00:40:53.389 --> 00:40:53.549 Yeah. 604 00:40:53.669 --> 00:40:54.710 And it's intended... 605 00:40:55.417 --> 00:40:59.798 to never solve the problem, but to keep the pot boiling, so to speak. 606 00:41:00.598 --> 00:41:11.482 All right, so you have, of course, individuality is lost in the midst of all of this because Marx said we have to think in terms of classes. 607 00:41:12.682 --> 00:41:17.323 If you're part of the bourgeoisie, namely the rulers, you're all evil. 608 00:41:18.304 --> 00:41:19.864 If you're part of the proletariat... 609 00:41:20.652 --> 00:41:22.034 You are just so wonderful. 610 00:41:22.094 --> 00:41:24.557 If you took over, there'd be no corruption. 611 00:41:25.297 --> 00:41:27.099 Think in terms of classes. 612 00:41:27.860 --> 00:41:32.766 So think in terms of how do we divide people, not how do we bring them together. 613 00:41:33.447 --> 00:41:40.695 And so one of the things we have to realize is use diversity to divide and to destroy. 614 00:41:41.621 --> 00:41:43.402 And that, I think, is very important. 615 00:41:43.422 --> 00:41:47.966 And there are other consequences that have to do with Marxism. 616 00:41:47.986 --> 00:41:54.972 And I don't want to blame Marx for everything, because all of us know because of sinfulness, some of these things might have come about. 617 00:41:56.032 --> 00:42:00.873 But when you read the literature, you discover that there are always those roots. 618 00:42:01.073 --> 00:42:06.654 Let's see one another as antagonists rather than trying to work together. 619 00:42:06.674 --> 00:42:08.934 And let's put people into one box. 620 00:42:09.394 --> 00:42:12.915 If you have the color of the skin that's this, you belong in that box. 621 00:42:13.255 --> 00:42:14.655 If not, you belong in that one. 622 00:42:15.415 --> 00:42:24.237 And if you believe in God, the existence of God, if you believe in the scriptures, then you go, you look beyond the physical and you see that there's 623 00:42:25.718 --> 00:42:28.079 There's the puppeteers, so to speak. 624 00:42:28.960 --> 00:42:31.541 And Jesus, it's interesting. 625 00:42:31.601 --> 00:42:37.345 Jesus said you can either serve God or mammon, mammon being the deity of wealth and prosperity. 626 00:42:38.806 --> 00:42:47.791 It's interesting that socialism and Marxism, those that are in control are actually pursuing ownership. 627 00:42:47.871 --> 00:42:48.852 They would never admit that. 628 00:42:49.052 --> 00:42:49.912 Oh, of course. 629 00:42:49.932 --> 00:42:51.353 But they will set the masses up 630 00:42:55.549 --> 00:42:58.813 So that the few can live in total, absolute opulence. 631 00:42:59.174 --> 00:42:59.854 Oh, yeah. 632 00:43:00.255 --> 00:43:04.520 And then Jesus is the problem because he's competition to them. 633 00:43:05.381 --> 00:43:10.928 I want to say also, I wasn't planning to say this, but with you, there's all kinds of things I didn't plan to say. 634 00:43:11.669 --> 00:43:12.450 This is true. 635 00:43:12.750 --> 00:43:14.192 Jesus was not a socialist. 636 00:43:14.622 --> 00:43:21.404 Do you remember how he gave the parable in which one person was given one talent, another two, and another five, and so forth? 637 00:43:21.464 --> 00:43:21.704 Yep. 638 00:43:22.144 --> 00:43:25.545 Jesus didn't think that there was going to be equity. 639 00:43:25.765 --> 00:43:26.485 That's right. 640 00:43:26.505 --> 00:43:28.385 We should work toward the poor. 641 00:43:28.505 --> 00:43:30.126 We should work toward all those. 642 00:43:30.326 --> 00:43:31.546 I recognize that. 643 00:43:31.646 --> 00:43:37.247 He also said, though, because this world's fallen, the poor you will have with you always. 644 00:43:37.687 --> 00:43:39.648 It doesn't mean that they're going to go away. 645 00:43:39.848 --> 00:43:42.088 It means that there's always going to be someone poor. 646 00:43:44.929 --> 00:43:45.590 Lift them up. 647 00:43:45.770 --> 00:43:46.610 Help them out. 648 00:43:46.650 --> 00:43:47.091 Feed them. 649 00:43:47.151 --> 00:43:47.991 Find them a job. 650 00:43:48.071 --> 00:43:50.773 Get their feet on a rock and move. 651 00:43:51.494 --> 00:43:55.016 I don't know if we have time to talk about immigration, but... Yeah, let's do. 652 00:43:56.437 --> 00:43:57.057 Let's do. 653 00:43:58.919 --> 00:44:01.400 What we have to do is to understand two spheres. 654 00:44:02.401 --> 00:44:04.262 The symbol of the church is the cross. 655 00:44:05.023 --> 00:44:07.184 The symbol of the state is the sword. 656 00:44:08.105 --> 00:44:10.667 And the sword, according to Romans, is there. 657 00:44:10.867 --> 00:44:11.227 Why? 658 00:44:11.247 --> 00:44:11.327 Why? 659 00:44:11.629 --> 00:44:15.751 Number one, to punish evil doers and to protect those who do good. 660 00:44:16.412 --> 00:44:24.036 And you cannot take the morality, the individual morality of a person as a Christian and apply it. 661 00:44:25.076 --> 00:44:27.458 You know, I heard a pastor saying, God bless him. 662 00:44:27.698 --> 00:44:36.463 Just like the Bible says, whosoever will may come, we should say that about America, whosoever will may come. 663 00:44:38.643 --> 00:44:44.950 Should the state be run by, should the state forgive 70 times 7? 664 00:44:44.970 --> 00:44:45.952 Oh, boy. 665 00:44:45.972 --> 00:44:47.654 Do you see that? 666 00:44:47.914 --> 00:44:50.177 The state has a thing now. 667 00:44:50.217 --> 00:44:53.080 Wouldn't you fail your seminary course if you applied to? 668 00:44:53.732 --> 00:44:55.473 interpretation to scripture that way? 669 00:44:55.973 --> 00:44:56.553 I hope so. 670 00:44:56.713 --> 00:44:57.634 I'm sure hope so. 671 00:44:58.074 --> 00:44:58.614 I don't know. 672 00:44:59.034 --> 00:44:59.574 I don't know. 673 00:45:00.215 --> 00:45:04.536 So I know that there's lots there that we could unpack and there may be differences. 674 00:45:04.657 --> 00:45:08.278 And so we speak about these things, I trust, with a great deal of humility. 675 00:45:08.558 --> 00:45:09.078 Well, yes. 676 00:45:09.098 --> 00:45:14.380 But, you know, if you lock your door at night... That's a border. 677 00:45:15.501 --> 00:45:15.721 Yeah. 678 00:45:16.401 --> 00:45:19.703 If you believe in open borders, don't lock your door at night. 679 00:45:19.743 --> 00:45:21.703 Have a sign on it that says, Welcome. 680 00:45:21.804 --> 00:45:22.384 Open house. 681 00:45:22.844 --> 00:45:22.964 Okay. 682 00:45:23.948 --> 00:45:27.537 Scripture also teaches if a man does not work, neither shall he eat. 683 00:45:29.788 --> 00:45:34.972 And of course, we know that some can't work because of disabilities or they may be unemployed or whatever. 684 00:45:35.033 --> 00:45:36.033 And we want to help them. 685 00:45:36.053 --> 00:45:39.616 You know, the good Samaritan, God bless him. 686 00:45:39.636 --> 00:45:42.779 He didn't say to this man, are you here legally or illegally? 687 00:45:42.839 --> 00:45:47.423 You know, what is your nationality? 688 00:45:47.563 --> 00:45:48.664 He saw somebody to help. 689 00:45:48.724 --> 00:45:53.448 And as Christians, we want to help anyone that we can help. 690 00:45:53.528 --> 00:45:53.929 That's right. 691 00:45:54.149 --> 00:45:54.469 Amen. 692 00:45:57.348 --> 00:45:59.769 Let's talk about democratic socialism. 693 00:46:00.089 --> 00:46:04.951 DSA, Democratic Socialism of America. 694 00:46:07.272 --> 00:46:12.994 Always remember that socialism says, we are going to take care of the economy. 695 00:46:13.074 --> 00:46:14.835 We are going to grasp the economy. 696 00:46:15.255 --> 00:46:15.635 Okay. 697 00:46:16.836 --> 00:46:20.377 So what you're going to do is you're going to use price controls. 698 00:46:20.417 --> 00:46:22.098 You know, there's a cap on rent. 699 00:46:23.929 --> 00:46:27.250 How many people are going to invest in rental property? 700 00:46:27.830 --> 00:46:28.110 Not many. 701 00:46:28.130 --> 00:46:30.291 How many people are going to build new houses? 702 00:46:30.511 --> 00:46:33.271 New York, for example, already has a housing shortage. 703 00:46:33.491 --> 00:46:34.552 That's true. 704 00:46:34.592 --> 00:46:35.712 Yeah, the builders are leaving. 705 00:46:36.112 --> 00:46:36.352 Yeah. 706 00:46:36.952 --> 00:46:37.312 Of course. 707 00:46:37.513 --> 00:46:50.556 So what you have is, I love this quote, and I do have it in my book, the dream is free, the hustle is paid separately. 708 00:46:51.836 --> 00:46:57.457 So what you have is all the slogans about we're going to do this, we're going to do that, and we're going to do that. 709 00:46:58.117 --> 00:47:03.879 And what you're going to be ending with is a handful of meaningless slogans. 710 00:47:04.659 --> 00:47:12.661 Because all of the structure that brought about prosperity is going to be destroyed under a real socialist state. 711 00:47:12.981 --> 00:47:15.141 Can I ask you this question? 712 00:47:17.842 --> 00:47:18.002 I... 713 00:47:19.323 --> 00:47:23.725 I was either reading or I saw this some time ago, but it's going to lead up to my question. 714 00:47:25.987 --> 00:47:36.052 There were a lot of socialists and Marxists that used words like hope and change and all that kind of stuff. 715 00:47:37.613 --> 00:47:46.918 What do you think, looking back now historically, when Barack Obama stood in that stage five or six days before the election, 716 00:47:48.112 --> 00:47:53.373 And he said, we're just five days away from fundamentally changing America. 717 00:47:54.893 --> 00:47:57.954 We all knew that sounded wrong. 718 00:47:59.214 --> 00:48:01.735 I mean, that's like me asking Lisa to marry me. 719 00:48:01.815 --> 00:48:08.216 But my goal is to fundamentally change you, Lisa, rather than accept you as you are. 720 00:48:09.036 --> 00:48:13.477 What do you think was there some... Because he was a student of... 721 00:48:14.973 --> 00:48:18.356 Saul Zelensky, Olensky as well. 722 00:48:20.057 --> 00:48:35.149 What do you think, just your opinion, what do you think he meant by, we're just five days away from fundamentally changing America, being a disciple of... Well, I think he was thinking about beginning the process toward a more socialist America. 723 00:48:35.770 --> 00:48:38.172 I don't know what else he could have been thinking about. 724 00:48:39.093 --> 00:48:44.397 And I do know this, that in the process, of course, 725 00:48:45.305 --> 00:48:47.987 It never works out like you think it's going to work out. 726 00:48:49.128 --> 00:48:51.570 But what we need to do is to realize this. 727 00:48:51.690 --> 00:49:02.918 The radical left in America, and I'm not going to necessarily comment on Barack Obama, but the radical left in America does not believe that America can be fixed. 728 00:49:03.678 --> 00:49:05.019 It has to be destroyed. 729 00:49:05.940 --> 00:49:10.623 The whole fundamental issue of capitalism needs to be destroyed. 730 00:49:11.444 --> 00:49:12.965 And on top of the rubble, 731 00:49:13.702 --> 00:49:32.598 We will build a brand new kind of America that will be free of all disparities, that will give equality to everyone, that will not be subject to the rich because the rich will pay their fair share. 732 00:49:34.025 --> 00:49:35.767 And that'll happen. 733 00:49:36.487 --> 00:49:41.512 And of course, what we have to realize is that ultimately, that destroys everything. 734 00:49:41.972 --> 00:49:47.537 You know, even as I'm talking to you, Jack, there's so much in my book that I have left out. 735 00:49:47.678 --> 00:49:56.986 I was thinking of the fact that Karl Marx's mother, Karl Marx was constantly hitting on his parents for money. 736 00:49:58.127 --> 00:49:58.928 Constantly. 737 00:50:00.267 --> 00:50:05.528 And his father got so exasperated, he wrote to him and said, you know, you are giving birth to monsters. 738 00:50:05.808 --> 00:50:08.108 Okay, because Carl was... By his ideology. 739 00:50:08.248 --> 00:50:10.489 By his ideology and his personal life. 740 00:50:10.749 --> 00:50:11.089 Wow. 741 00:50:12.289 --> 00:50:21.111 And then she said that, you know, I wish he would earn some capital rather than just writing about it. 742 00:50:21.131 --> 00:50:22.191 Karl Marx's mom said that. 743 00:50:22.211 --> 00:50:22.431 Yeah. 744 00:50:22.951 --> 00:50:29.612 And then in one letter he said, if you don't give me money and tear up the IOUs, 745 00:50:30.250 --> 00:50:31.290 I might be arrested. 746 00:50:32.411 --> 00:50:34.111 And she didn't budge. 747 00:50:34.311 --> 00:50:34.991 She didn't give money. 748 00:50:35.011 --> 00:50:35.432 Good for her. 749 00:50:36.412 --> 00:50:42.354 So, a point to be made is this, that as you look at his life, it was a mess. 750 00:50:42.434 --> 00:50:43.834 And I say this with a heavy heart. 751 00:50:43.854 --> 00:50:44.875 He had six children. 752 00:50:46.235 --> 00:50:59.219 And he said to Engels, he wrote to Engels and says, every day my wife Jenny wishes that she and the children were safely in the grave. 753 00:51:01.142 --> 00:51:04.124 And he said, I don't blame her because of the kind of life that they lived. 754 00:51:04.144 --> 00:51:04.965 But think of this. 755 00:51:05.145 --> 00:51:05.785 Oh, my goodness. 756 00:51:05.925 --> 00:51:12.650 If you're an atheist, if you're a real atheist, lying in the grave is a great plus. 757 00:51:12.990 --> 00:51:13.290 That's right. 758 00:51:13.310 --> 00:51:15.892 Because you're no longer conscious about anything. 759 00:51:15.932 --> 00:51:16.953 Rest in peace, yeah? 760 00:51:17.153 --> 00:51:17.974 Rest in peace. 761 00:51:18.694 --> 00:51:19.215 Interesting. 762 00:51:19.375 --> 00:51:28.341 And so, and I hate to mention this because we know Christian parents who have kids who really stray from the Lord, but his two oldest daughters... 763 00:51:29.830 --> 00:51:37.553 One by the name of Eleanor, she and her husband made a pact that they would commit suicide together. 764 00:51:38.613 --> 00:51:44.115 So her husband gave her poison and promised her that he would do the same, but he didn't. 765 00:51:45.075 --> 00:51:48.897 So he lived the next day and then was able to get all of her inheritance. 766 00:51:49.497 --> 00:51:51.778 And the other one who actually died in... 767 00:51:53.531 --> 00:51:59.214 In 1911, I think it was, she also made a pact with her husband to commit suicide. 768 00:51:59.494 --> 00:52:08.878 And all that, of course, goes back to, you know, the pact that Marx was constantly talking about. 769 00:52:09.018 --> 00:52:09.278 Yes. 770 00:52:09.438 --> 00:52:11.159 Namely, the pact with the devil. 771 00:52:11.199 --> 00:52:14.400 And that dark writing. 772 00:52:16.141 --> 00:52:17.782 Okay, we need to start wrapping this up. 773 00:52:17.922 --> 00:52:18.802 The tombstones. 774 00:52:19.322 --> 00:52:20.403 Oh, yeah, the tombstones. 775 00:52:21.713 --> 00:52:22.193 All right. 776 00:52:22.573 --> 00:52:24.714 The title of my book is Marx and Moody. 777 00:52:25.854 --> 00:52:31.275 On Marx's tombstone are the words, workers of all lands unite. 778 00:52:31.355 --> 00:52:38.957 And then underneath is a quote I frequently used where he says, up until now, philosophy has only interpreted the world. 779 00:52:39.617 --> 00:52:45.199 The point, however, is how to change it because he intended to change the world and he did. 780 00:52:45.999 --> 00:52:48.480 He still rules much of the world from his grave. 781 00:52:49.300 --> 00:52:50.500 But now let's go to Moody. 782 00:52:50.842 --> 00:52:54.303 Moody is buried in Massachusetts. 783 00:52:55.083 --> 00:52:56.903 He's buried in Northfield. 784 00:52:57.783 --> 00:53:00.164 And Jack, it'd be a great... Have you been there? 785 00:53:00.544 --> 00:53:02.904 No, I can't believe I missed that. 786 00:53:02.984 --> 00:53:05.545 Yeah, it's on top of a hill. 787 00:53:05.625 --> 00:53:07.925 It's called Round Top. 788 00:53:09.105 --> 00:53:10.446 Two big gravestones. 789 00:53:11.646 --> 00:53:16.267 On his wife, Emma, is written, They shall see his face. 790 00:53:18.287 --> 00:53:21.308 and they shall reign with Him forever and ever." 791 00:53:21.408 --> 00:53:22.248 Isn't that beautiful? 792 00:53:22.268 --> 00:53:23.008 Beautiful. 793 00:53:23.028 --> 00:53:23.508 Revelation. 794 00:53:23.828 --> 00:53:32.309 And on Marx's tombstone are these words, a snatch of a verse that he loved very, very well. 795 00:53:32.469 --> 00:53:40.151 The world passes away and all of its lusts, but he who does the will of God abides forever. 796 00:53:41.371 --> 00:53:44.852 So, how do you contrast those two tombstones? 797 00:53:45.652 --> 00:53:47.212 And I end the book 798 00:53:48.380 --> 00:54:00.942 talking about the tombstones, talking about what they got, what Marx got wrong, what Moody got right, two different eternities, two different destinies, and then challenging people. 799 00:54:01.002 --> 00:54:02.663 And you're right, we have to wrap this up. 800 00:54:04.143 --> 00:54:06.143 What would we like to have on our tombstone? 801 00:54:06.803 --> 00:54:08.824 What do we want to leave behind? 802 00:54:09.044 --> 00:54:14.605 What kind of a life do we want to live so that people look back on our lives 803 00:54:15.585 --> 00:54:24.008 and see how we honored Christ and inspired people toward righteousness and love of Christ. 804 00:54:24.788 --> 00:54:26.069 That's the thing I want to leave. 805 00:54:26.249 --> 00:54:30.390 And I'm sorry, but I know we have to wrap it up, but I have to say one other thing. 806 00:54:30.730 --> 00:54:30.970 Please. 807 00:54:31.110 --> 00:54:35.592 To all parents, when Karl Marx 808 00:54:38.040 --> 00:54:38.820 did what he did. 809 00:54:38.921 --> 00:54:46.605 His parents were already dead by the time he became famous, even though he had written his manifesto while they were still living, I think. 810 00:54:48.506 --> 00:54:50.748 They did not know who they were raising. 811 00:54:51.748 --> 00:54:52.509 They didn't know. 812 00:54:54.370 --> 00:55:02.695 And when Moody's family, his parents, his dad was an alcoholic and died when Moody was about eight years old. 813 00:55:04.096 --> 00:55:06.257 He and Betts, Betts was the mother of, 814 00:55:07.514 --> 00:55:13.937 They had no idea that they were going to raise up an evangelist that would lead millions of people to Jesus Christ. 815 00:55:14.017 --> 00:55:15.197 And here's the bottom line. 816 00:55:16.818 --> 00:55:20.400 Parents, parent your children well. 817 00:55:20.680 --> 00:55:24.962 You have no idea whom you are raising. 818 00:55:25.722 --> 00:55:26.342 Absolutely. 819 00:55:26.863 --> 00:55:27.503 Absolutely. 820 00:55:27.583 --> 00:55:36.107 So, the bottom line is, take words from Moody, the world passes away in all of its lusts, 821 00:55:37.113 --> 00:55:39.955 But he who does the will of God abides forever. 822 00:55:42.516 --> 00:55:46.618 And let that be the way we close this podcast. 823 00:55:46.819 --> 00:55:47.219 Yeah. 824 00:55:48.319 --> 00:55:48.740 Amen. 825 00:55:49.780 --> 00:55:51.281 The book is available everywhere. 826 00:55:51.601 --> 00:55:51.882 Yes. 827 00:55:52.502 --> 00:55:54.403 It's entitled Marks and Moody. 828 00:55:55.163 --> 00:56:00.406 Two Contemporaries, Two Gospels, Two Gravestones, and One Choice. 829 00:56:01.847 --> 00:56:04.809 And people can find out what that choice is by reading the book. 830 00:56:07.094 --> 00:56:10.795 I would like to throw this out your way before we wrap this up. 831 00:56:12.216 --> 00:56:16.257 I can't wait to read it because my question is this. 832 00:56:16.437 --> 00:56:24.600 I want to read it through the eyes of, could this very well become a documentary? 833 00:56:26.121 --> 00:56:32.363 Could this book that you've written, because it's so timely, we're living it, and if we don't learn from it, 834 00:56:33.494 --> 00:56:43.457 If we don't learn from the book, which invites us to go look at history, if we erase our history because of ignorance, we are going to embrace these lies of the devil. 835 00:56:43.477 --> 00:56:44.697 That's why he doesn't give up on them. 836 00:56:45.137 --> 00:56:46.317 He gets miles out of them. 837 00:56:47.318 --> 00:56:49.458 And so your book is going to be a tool. 838 00:56:49.498 --> 00:56:50.599 I would love to see it. 839 00:56:51.379 --> 00:56:54.420 So many good books are being put into documentary form these days. 840 00:56:54.460 --> 00:56:56.280 This would be a champion book. 841 00:56:56.300 --> 00:56:57.540 That would be a wonderful challenge. 842 00:56:57.820 --> 00:56:59.501 So I'll... 843 00:57:00.457 --> 00:57:01.978 End this by saying there is a choice. 844 00:57:03.260 --> 00:57:07.824 God has made it very clear in Scripture, choose today whom you'll serve. 845 00:57:08.725 --> 00:57:17.613 And in your life, there are so many things maybe you're pursuing, trying to think that if you just get this thing or that thing, that you'll be complete, you'll be made whole. 846 00:57:18.854 --> 00:57:20.155 But that's not the answer. 847 00:57:21.576 --> 00:57:26.381 You can go to Bel Air or Beverly Hills or Brentwood in Hollywood, 848 00:57:27.345 --> 00:57:32.889 And see billionaires that are very, very unhappy because they're soulless. 849 00:57:32.929 --> 00:57:34.250 They're empty on the inside. 850 00:57:35.171 --> 00:57:37.573 They have not yet made the right choice. 851 00:57:39.374 --> 00:57:43.557 Friend, listen, it's not what you acquire in this life that makes your life meaningful. 852 00:57:44.018 --> 00:57:46.259 It's who you are on the inside. 853 00:57:46.980 --> 00:57:50.983 And only Jesus Christ knows what you're capable of. 854 00:57:52.540 --> 00:57:53.080 He made you. 855 00:57:53.841 --> 00:57:54.621 He gave you life. 856 00:57:55.441 --> 00:57:59.763 The problem is, He's not going to bend your arm to get into the kingdom of heaven. 857 00:57:59.783 --> 00:58:01.644 He invites you, come and follow me. 858 00:58:02.764 --> 00:58:06.025 And if you're tired of your life, if you want to change, how about this? 859 00:58:06.585 --> 00:58:09.747 If you want a new life, that's what He does. 860 00:58:10.447 --> 00:58:11.467 He gives you a new life. 861 00:58:12.028 --> 00:58:16.629 There's really one choice that will lead you into the presence of God forever. 862 00:58:17.790 --> 00:58:18.130 And that's, 863 00:58:19.190 --> 00:58:26.732 coming to Christ, understanding that he died on the cross for your sins, he rose again from the dead three days later, that he was God incarnate. 864 00:58:27.292 --> 00:58:28.953 A good man could not die for us. 865 00:58:30.533 --> 00:58:33.054 One greater than us had to come, and he came. 866 00:58:34.754 --> 00:58:37.035 And he loves you, and you need to meet him. 867 00:58:38.315 --> 00:58:48.398 If you would just be so honest with yourself and get alone after this program and say, God, if you're out there, if you're real, will you reveal yourself to me? 868 00:58:49.301 --> 00:58:51.443 I would like to know if I can have a new life. 869 00:58:52.604 --> 00:58:55.706 Jesus, my friend, has purchased a new life for you. 870 00:58:55.726 --> 00:58:56.467 I encourage you. 871 00:58:57.368 --> 00:58:58.428 Take him up on the offer. 872 00:58:58.889 --> 00:59:02.071 He won't bend your arm, but he'll invite you to come. 873 00:59:03.453 --> 00:59:09.597 And together, Dr. Erwin Lutzer and myself, we invite you to come to the foot of the cross, come to Jesus Christ. 874 00:59:10.218 --> 00:59:11.459 God bless you guys until next time.