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Hey guys, welcome back to the Way UK podcast.

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My name is Michelle and today I'm joined by Zoe.

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Hey guys.

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We're going to be speaking about femininity and biblical femininity.

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See.

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See.

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But before we get into the podcast episode, make sure to tune in on Spotify or Apple Podcasts if you like to listen to things on the go and make sure to give it a little review because it helps push these videos out to more people and hopefully they get to hear about Jesus.

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And so yeah.

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let's get straight into it michelle absolutely i can't wait i can't wait okay question one is what do you think biblical femininity is

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That's a big topic.

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Yeah, I know.

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Something that I'm still learning.

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But I think something I would say about biblical femininity or being a woman who loves God would just be like learning your identity as a daughter in God, that he's your father.

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And that's like the most important thing about you.

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Yeah, that's good.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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What do you think?

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Yeah, I would agree.

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I think.

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I don't know.

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I don't think that there's one specific way to be feminine.

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Like it's not like a one size fits all.

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I think it's maybe more of a spectrum.

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I think as well, like in the Bible, of course, we see all these different women who follow Jesus and live their lives submitted to God.

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And so I think it's like looking to them and saying, OK, what did it mean for them to be a woman following Jesus?

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Like, how are they behaving?

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And I think actually it's a lot of like, are we bearing the fruits of the spirit?

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That's so good.

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And I don't know if there's a specific, I didn't like one specific thing that's like, this is what makes you a biblically feminine woman.

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I think it's like actually recognizing your identity as a daughter, like what you said, and then doing your best to be Christ-like.

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And that's kind of what it means to be.

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Yeah, well, like you briefly mentioned of like how femininity is a spectrum.

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I think that goes for femininity and masculinity, like whatever that means.

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I mean, I think of people who are leaders who are incredible and they might be, I guess, described as having more masculine characteristics, whether that I think that's like more of like an outward appearance thing.

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but they're like incredible leaders who convict men and women and who just deeply love God and so then I think it's really important to remember that femininity and biblical femininity is actually an inward thing rather than this outward appearance and fitting in like your style or the way that you present yourself

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yeah and yeah it's more of a what's your character like what are the characteristics that God's placed in you as a woman and your yeah your I guess character yeah you said that yeah for sure yeah it reminds me of that verse where it's like man looks at our outward appearance exactly the heart yeah and I think that is just the nature of being a Christian anyway

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yeah because like if you think of like proverbs 31 that woman she was like a business woman entrepreneur exactly exactly and she was strong and she led in her own sort of way yeah i think that just goes it goes for us too like being a

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a biblical woman doesn't mean that you're passive or you sit back and you let the men do everything everything yeah there's actually space for you to also fill too yeah oh my gosh absolutely yeah

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I was going to be like, don't let people tell you what you can't do because you're a girl.

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Because we're all equal in the eyes of God, men and women, but we both have different roles too.

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Yeah.

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Or like, yeah, like we are just different.

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we're just different men and women are just different we're just different and it's okay to embrace those differences I think that's a beautiful thing it's like we don't need to all be the same and even like every woman is like different woman to women just like every man's gonna be different man to man so just be Christ-like I don't know what else to say let's move on to the next question then

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What is it?

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Okay.

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Is there a character or story in the Bible that has shaped the way you think about womanhood slash femininity?

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There is, okay, there's like a list.

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There's not just one.

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So a woman that,

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has really inspired me is Mary of Bethany.

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I've mentioned this before though, in like other videos.

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I don't want to sound like a broken record, but just the way that she loved Jesus and like submitted to him in spite of other people around her, maybe...

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being like what are you doing yeah what are you doing that for even her own sister which of course I understand because like within the context of that story where Martha was serving and Mary was at Jesus's feet listening to his teaching like in in the context women would help to to serve and it's just like being hospitable and just the customs at the time so it was very counter-cultural for Mary to be sat at Jesus's feet right so I understand that

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but I think she gives such a great example of like what it means to be a woman following Jesus and to just be which is in my opinion to be like just submitted to him and to not be afraid to love him even if to other people it might look peculiar like when she poured oil on his feet another time and wiped it with her hair and her tears it's like

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a willingness to be unashamedly devoted to god um yeah there's other women as well like hannah in the old testament the mother of samuel she was like i mean that book opens with her like crying out to god crying and crying so much so that um is it eli that the priest eli thinks that she's drunk she's like

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No, I'm not drunk.

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I'm like grieved.

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My soul grieves.

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And she brings that to God because she was grieved because she wanted a son and she wasn't, well, a child and she wasn't able to give birth.

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And then God answered her prayers and then she had.

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Samuel but her that what she said to God was that this child that you give me I will give to you and so then she honors that vow that she made to God and she then gives Samuel yeah to God after that and so

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It's like being a woman who is honest to God in her prayer life, not shying away from those hard moments when you're feeling so many different things.

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And then also being faithful to your promises that you make to him.

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Because she could have turned around and be like, oh, I've got this child.

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I want to keep him because I haven't been able to have a baby.

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But she's like, no, I need to honor what I've said to God.

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Yeah, I think that's such a good thing.

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Like, she's such a good role model, I think.

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But what do you think?

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I think of Deborah, Deborah, in Judges.

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Yeah, she, it's in the book of Judges, and she basically was...

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a prophetess but also a judge and in judges basically this military leader came to her to help solve a dispute that he had and basically the Israelites came to came to her and she had a word of knowledge from God like wisdom from God to give to him basically said take 10,000 men and fight this battle and he was like well I'll only go if you come with me and

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And she actually said, okay, I'll come with you.

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But he also said, what did he also say?

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Oh, yeah, she then warned him and said, hey, if I come with you, this war will be, the victory will be given to a woman, which happened.

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But when I read that story and think of Deborah, Deborah, say it however you want.

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Yeah, I don't know which one it is, but it just makes me think like she's an incredible leader who like her confidence is in God and she has courage from him.

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to say things like say what she said to this military leader you can imagine he probably was a really scary man but she said it in such confidence that he listened to her and she actually went along with him that just that like shows me so much courage and so much strength and and um yeah and it's an example that we can live by that like you know the fact that she

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she had a word from God means that she spent time with him and could hear his voice and give wisdom to somebody like, yeah.

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It challenges me to want to be that kind of woman, that here's God, here's his voice, but also has him speak into my life and my heart, into my character, and have him give me courage to do things that would normally, I guess, be scary to do.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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But she's just an incredible example of leadership and stepping into that with God-given strength.

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yeah um yeah and it's it's yeah I just wanted to say like there's a there's a thread and common theme amongst all these women that we're naming in the bible they were so devoted to God yeah and yeah that makes me like emotional to even say because I feel like wow that that is the call of our lives is to be devoted to God and to love God first yeah um yeah

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so good yeah like i even when you were saying how because obviously she's a prophetess and how you're saying that in order for her to hear god it means she has to go away and spend time with him it reminded me of mary magdalene um and how she had to really trust that what jesus what god said about her was true against what everyone else was

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saying about her and not letting her past define her because i think it says at the start of like two of the gospels or somewhere in the gospels um that she had was the woman with like seven demons in her and it's like that is so crazy that is crazy like be known as the person that had like yeah loads of demons inside of you and now you're obviously set free because of the power of jesus but it's like yeah

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that must have taken so much trust, like on her part to be like, and so much strength and security in her identity that God has given her in order to like, I don't know, just walk in that truth that she is now like a child of God, you know, and that her past doesn't define her.

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Yeah, that's so good.

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I think we could literally name like so many women in the Bible that are inspiring, but let's move on.

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Yes, do it.

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Oh, fair question.

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Can you share a time when comparison or pressure to be a certain kind of woman affected the way you saw yourself?

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Another lighthearted question.

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I love it.

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I love it.

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I think the first thing that comes to mind would probably be,

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When I first moved to London, one of my best friends, she's my best friend now, she, I would say she was louder than me in rooms.

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And I would compare myself to her thinking that, oh my gosh, in order for me to be liked by other people, I have to be louder.

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because like people would just gravitate towards that and we'll be all hanging out and I would be like riddled in so much sort of insecurities in my own head that I would just go completely mute but actually something that I've now learned is actually you know God God has given me

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I guess this gentle quietness I do have.

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And like, I am a bit more introspective.

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I do assess like an environment before I'm able to like be myself and be a little bit, yeah, I don't know, come out of my shell, I guess.

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And that's okay.

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Like we're not all meant to be

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copy and paste versions of each other and there's actually so much beauty within that um and so I had to learn that um but yeah that's something that I've had to journey through for years and there's I think there's something beautiful that comes out of women when they understand their identity in God because I've had to bring this to God and be like why do I feel so insecure about

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like other people liking me and needing to be the loudest person in the room in order to be liked and god literally just met me with so much kindness and he was like actually you don't have to be yeah you don't um

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yeah wow just be just be yourself just be don't i love that i think as well for me it's probably an answer that's heard more commonly but it's because it's true because so when i was younger there was like

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definitely a pressure to look a certain way like physically yeah I think just from like other all the boys in my school year at the time and like no hate to them because we were actually all just kids yeah we just don't we just I don't know I don't think you quite realize the weight of your words

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at that age when you when people do make like offhand comments about like how you look physically but things things that like other people would say would stick with me and then

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make me feel like it would feed into my insecurities for like I wasn't uh like beautiful enough attractive enough or didn't have you know certain features that would be desired you know subliminal messaging there um but is I think as well it was really perpetuated or like emphasized by like social media at the time yeah it was like becoming a bigger thing yeah all these different celebrities that had their accounts that yeah all these boys would look to me like

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oh, she is literally the most beautiful girl ever.

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She's so lame.

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And then I look at myself and be like, I don't look anything like her.

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And you're like 14.

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I'm literally, I'm like 12 years old.

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So of course you don't look like a grown woman.

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You're literally a child.

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Yeah.

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But so that did definitely affect me and was a pressure that I had when I was younger.

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I need to look a certain way in order to be desired and wanted by other men.

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Well, I mean, culture, it's like literally embedded in our culture to set the standard of what a beautiful woman is or a handsome man is.

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Do you know what I mean?

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Like, it's literally all over our movies.

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It's literally just taught in our movies, all over social media.

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And, I mean, right now, there's a whole trend of, like, skinny talk.

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I mean, I know what that is.

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Yeah, which is basically, like, the skinnier you are, the more beautiful you are, essentially.

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Which I'm just like, it's so crazy because so many women and men are being affected by that in like really negatively.

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Which I'm just like, don't allow culture to tell you.

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what you should look like yeah let's get rid of the shoulds yeah get rid of the shoulds like your identity comes from god and ask him what he thinks about you full stop full stop okay okay how do you handle negative thoughts about yourself lol

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These questions are actually so deep, guys.

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It's like kind of crazy.

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Another easy one.

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Yeah.

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I haven't nailed this one.

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Like.

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Neither have I.

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Negative thoughts, they come and go.

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I think there's definitely freedom in it.

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But just because you've experienced freedom, it doesn't mean that it's now gone away.

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Like it can be affected by whatever phase you're in in your cycle.

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Yeah.

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External, internal factors, stress.

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There might be a relationship or friendship that has a bit of tension that might be causing you to feel really anxious and thoughts come into your mind.

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But something that I've learned over a few years is that.

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um being a big feeler I feel lots of different things and so then like it's easy for my thoughts to be affected like immediately from whatever it is and and also something that I've learned is that when I feel disconnected from God that's when those negative thought patterns creep in yeah that's so true and as soon as I acknowledge that I think something that's been helpful for me is

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yeah and like i said i already quoted it for the next question i mean previous question psalm 139 verse 18 i think how vast are your thoughts of me god they outnumber the grains of sand so he has so many wonderful things to say about you but like asking him to literally etch his words into your heart write them there lord and like what's been helpful for me is also writing them down

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I remember right like in my journal one day I literally just wrote down I am beautiful I am confident I am like literally all these I am statements and like being able to yeah I am loved and being able to like read them back is actually it's actually really powerful because what is it in it says by the um for the renewal of your mind um

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there's something about saying something over and over again that actually helps you believe in them neuroscience stuff but um neuroelasticity basically means that you can relearn um things and and patterns in your brain you can reform and reshape and so if there's a lie that you've been believing in for years you can actually revert that i love that um yeah yeah

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And isn't that thing, you can tell me if I'm wrong or not because you're a neuroscience girl, but is it true that our brain doesn't know the difference between when we're like,

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joking about ourselves or like saying a truth so like if I say in the mirror to myself oh you're so ugly like my brain is gonna believe it yeah because I'm saying it like it can't is that true I don't know I think it is it is true like that's why God says like there's power and there's death and life and the power of the tongue yeah that it is it is true yeah okay yeah

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Because it can be etched into your brain, like even in your subconscious.

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So somebody might say and that might re-jog or like...

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It just roots itself.

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It's so tough.

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I know.

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But as well, something like I totally relate to everything that you've just said.

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It's...

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it's not like a one and done oh yeah i'm sorted now i'm fine the most secure in the whole world no um or like in terms of having negative thoughts about myself um something that i do to help or something that i used to do is to have post-it notes and like write different truths like things that god says over me and like put them on like my bathroom mirror or put them in my bedroom wall like

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Yeah, or like write scriptures that really resonate with me, that speak into my identity and just putting them where I can see it with my eyes.

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Yeah.

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Because then even when I'm not feeling it and when I'm having negative thoughts, well...

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I can't really help but look at the scripture that's right in front of me.

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In my bedroom wall.

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It's like, hold up, Zoe.

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Yeah.

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This is the truth.

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Even if you don't feel it.

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Which I think is really helpful.

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And I think another thing that I say just really quickly is it's okay.

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Like you don't need to beat yourself up for having negative thoughts.

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It's true.

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I think life ebbs and it flows.

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There are going to be days when you feel great.

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Life is just hard.

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And days when you don't.

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Like it's just...

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it's it just happens it's all it's actually okay um to to sometimes not feel great don't make yourself feel bad that you don't feel good yeah if that makes sense um and of course

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pray just pray like there's so much power in prayer yeah ask your friends to pray for you yeah like I was just about to mention like the the power of prayer of prayer and also that the importance of really strong friendships people that you can trust with um yeah like how you're actually feeling as well as God and just being like please just cover me in prayer I'm really feeling like this because they can help um

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Yeah, what is that?

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I don't know if it's scriptural or a quote, but it's like bad company corrupts good character, something like that.

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I think that's a proverb.

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Might be a proverb.

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If it's a proverb, please pop it here.

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Google.

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Being around people who are great influencers, who speak great things about each other and don't make crude jokes or jokes in the expense of other people.

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Yeah, or just loads of negative self-worth.

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Yeah, that is so important.

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So maybe it's even the case of reassessing your friendships too.

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To help.

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Or as well being the person that.

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Combats that.

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And brings the light.

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Exactly.

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You know just bring it in.

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Even if you're not feeling it.

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I think one thing to touch on as well with this.

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Like negative thoughts.

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I think there's definitely a difference between struggling from.

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Like something to do with your mental health.

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And then feeling really hormonal in one day.

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And so.

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Not that that's the only reason.

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Or like having a bad day.

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Just having a bad day.

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There is a difference.

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And so I think.

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Like seek help.

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yeah seek professional help if you need help if you need it and seek help as well if you're just having a bad day it's just good to be like okay i need i need some help it's good to talk about it good to talk about it get it out into the open get it out you're loved and important it's true so oh yeah oh yeah next question last question last question

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What practical habits or boundaries have helped you build healthy confidence without depending on appearance, achievement or other people's approval?

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This is hard.

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It is a hard question.

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Still struggle with it.

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Um...

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Scripture.

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Running to the Bible, running to God, being honest with him with how I'm actually doing.

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Yeah.

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Whether something is actually eating away at me, whether that's like achievement, feeling like.

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I'm ugly one day like it's actually so hard to hear when your friends say things like that it's like we all feel it at different points yeah and just like seeking the help you need like whether that's pastoral whether that's mentorship or professional help like

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yeah but also I've found that music's helped me too in what way in the sense that like what kind of music I listen to really does it has helped me with in my mind um like if I listen to really sad music I'm just gonna be sad

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yeah it's true I'm such a culprit of this I know if I'm feeling sad no I can't immediately on no I can't yeah I'm not gonna list all the others guys don't get in your feels if you're already in them all right it's sorry I won't tell you what you can and can't do but um who am I but no I definitely am a culprit of that if I'm in my feels sometimes you just gotta feel it but other times

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You're just laying it on a bit thick, can't you?

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It's just not helpful.

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So, it's a bit so much for me to go on.

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Do you know what I mean?

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So, Michelle, I'm glad you brought this up.

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Convicting.

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I'm just kidding.

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Oh, hallelujah.

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Calling you higher, mate.

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Yeah, that's good.

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Needed.

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I think as well for me, like,

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I don't want us to sound like broken records, but I feel like it's because the answers are so similar for all of these things.

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It's like turn to God, turn to the Bible, turn to prayer, turn to worship.

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You know, those are the things.

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Practical habits.

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Let's have a look.

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I think.

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let's have a look i do think maybe making a bit of a practice of journaling the questions that you're asking yourself because it's easy like well for me it would be easier to do it in my head and just be like if i'm feeling like a certain way or placing my confidence in how i look or what i'm doing or getting validation for other people right

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it's it would be more helpful to me to write down my responses so that like in the future I can look back and if I'm feeling that way again I could be like okay what's going on yeah what's going on to trigger that like what's happening am I stuck in a cycle it's kind of like a log yeah like a health log or something like a where you're at yeah and then also yeah

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seeing what helped me at that moment as well yeah so not only journaling what my questions and then my response to my own questions but then what helped me in that time because it might as well like it also could just be like

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spending yeah time with god yeah he helped me then yeah well that actually reminds me i remember reading back through one of my journals and i'd literally written dear future michelle if you feel like this make sure to read this wait that's so good i know and that was actually really helpful um another thing i'd say i guess the last thing i'd want to say unless you have something else to say

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would be exercise like moving my body has been like such a game changer come on move your body like currently training for something has been so helpful for me and i didn't realize that well training for a marathon come on humble queen over here absolute marathon um but like whenever i'd have like really bad anxiety days i remember my mum would ask me like

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oh, have you like gone to the gym or have you gone for a run today?

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And I'd be like, no, I haven't.

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She'd be like, well, go and do it.

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Like, you know, it really helps you.

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And the thing is, it's so true.

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Like,

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you know, literally physiologically, you get those endorphins.

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But also God to say it's mind, body and spirit.

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Body is in there too.

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Like it's important to take care of it because you're a temple of God.

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Yeah.

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So, yeah.

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That's so true.

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Yeah.

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Love that.

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Yeah.

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Well, that's all the questions.

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That's all the questions.

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Thank you guys for tuning in.

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I feel like we should tell them something specific to comment.

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The hand-holding emoji.

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Be, be powerful.

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Okay, guys, be blessed.

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Have a wonderful day, noon, night, whenever you're watching this.

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Noon and night.

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Be blessed.

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Lots of love.

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Peace.
