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You said you think you visited hell.

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I know I did, and it was more real than anything I've experienced.

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It was the most amount of fear I'd ever felt in my life.

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My body was contorted.

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It was doing things that the human body shouldn't do.

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Do you think you were possessed?

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Because subsequently you've had several exorcisms.

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Yes.

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The things that are happening are just undeniable.

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What happened?

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I'll tell you what I experienced.

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Just before we get into all of that, you have lived a remarkable life.

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I was in the US Navy, went to Iraq, Haiti, Afghanistan, and done some insane missions.

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I mean, you learn a lot of critical life lessons, but there's another side too.

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I mean, you get addicted to those type of environments, adrenaline.

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And after your CIA contracting role, you move to Medellin,

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Yeah, it was probably the most dangerous thing I had ever done.

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Did you get involved in the drug dealing networks?

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Yes, I never really dealt.

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It was more setting up the network, figuring out who the players are that gave me the rush.

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There's not very many people that can pull some like that off.

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But then this guy, Freddie, he said the police were after me.

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They had planted a bug in the light fixture outside of my door, and then they...

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You now have built one of the biggest podcasts on planet Earth.

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Yes, but my show will not appear in popular podcasts because it's something that I was saying a long time ago.

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It had to do with the .

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That is very fucking weird.

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Do you think podcasters are being compromised by guests being planted on their shows or in other ways?

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Yes.

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Here's one example.

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Trump administration crushed it in the election cycle, right?

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Really utilized the podcast.

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They saw the power of it.

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It was a great tactic.

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And so I think that they have people inside of all the platforms that we

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And this has happened to me, because one time I had a guy come on, and we can talk about that.

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And you endorsed Trump before the election?

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I wanted him to win.

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Have you changed your opinion on Trump now?

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Oh yeah, for a multitude of reasons.

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I probably shouldn't be saying this, bud.

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Thank you so, so, so much.

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Sean Ryan, you have lived a remarkable life for so many different reasons.

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I feel like you've lived several different lives as well, dare I say.

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But for anybody that might not be familiar with your smash hit show and your incredible journey through the military,

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Can you give me a top line on the career that you've had before you got into podcasting, for those that might not know?

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Yeah, joined the U.S. Navy.

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I think I enlisted at age 17, went straight into the Navy SEAL program, went to BUDS, went to SEAL Team 8, spent five and a half years in the Navy, and then left that, became a real estate agent.

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I had read a book by Donald Trump way back then on This Is It,

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how to get rich.

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It inspired me to become an entrepreneur and- Failed miserably.

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So then I looked at government contracting, started contracting for central intelligence agencies, started a small State Department gig, got picked up for the CIA contract, did that through Blackwater, then jumped over to a company called SOCT, and then wound up getting picked up direct contractor for the agency with no middleman.

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And you said that you wanted to be a Navy SEAL.

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Now, for international audiences that might not know what a Navy SEAL is relative to just like being in the Army, what is the distinction?

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A Navy SEAL, SEAL stands for Sea, Air and Land.

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So you operate in the sea, air and the land.

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It's special operations.

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So it is one of the most prolific special operations units in the world.

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You go through a training pipeline that's a couple years long.

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You go through BUDS, which if you make it without getting hurt or without getting rolled back, that's six months.

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I didn't make it without rolling back, so I think I spent about nine months there.

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Then you go to jump school.

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Then you go to SQT, SEAL qualification training, which is kind of where they turn you into –

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I guess I shouldn't say they turn you into a special operator, but that's the final school.

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Then you get your SEAL trident, and then you spend another year or two, year and a half training at your SEAL team before you ever even get the opportunity to deploy for the country.

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Diving, jumping, land warfare, demolition, small unit tactics, lots of time in a kill house, lots of time in land warfare, all different operational environments, desert, winter.

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jungle, you name it, we're at it.

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Is it equivocal to the SAS, which is like the British version of the special operations team?

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I would say, yeah, SAS or SBS.

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Okay.

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And you must have seen some pretty horrific, interesting, unforgettable things while you were on those tours of duties around the world.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Operate in a lot of different environments.

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The first thing I ever saw that was warfare-ish, it wasn't really hot.

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I thought it was hot at the time.

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But 2004, we went to Haiti when Aristide got pulled out of power.

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It was the first time I'd really seen true poverty.

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And I don't know if you've ever been there, but, I mean, you know, the sewage goes right into the streets.

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All the prisoners had broken out.

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There were dead bodies floating around the water, bullet holes everywhere.

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Every once in a while, I'd see a car on fire.

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I mean, it was just mass chaos.

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It really wasn't anything compared to what I would see later on.

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But...

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But that was the first place.

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And then Afghanistan, we went there after Operation Red Wings happened.

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That was the biggest loss in SEAL team history at the time.

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What was Operation Red Wings?

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Have you ever seen the movie Lone Survivor?

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There was a sniper element on a mountaintop that was surveilling a town that had a high-value terrorist in there.

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And the sniper hide was compromised by a goat herder.

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Goat herder went back to town and told everybody what he had seen.

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And then they ambushed the element up there.

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Helicopters went down.

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And then there was one guy that survived it.

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And so it was the biggest loss ever in SEAL team history at the time.

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That happened on June 28th.

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And I think we were there by late September or early October, I believe, is when we were there.

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We did some...

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hit some targets, but they were pretty much all dry holes, grabbed a couple of prisoners, stuff like that.

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And then we actually went home early, and then I went to Iraq.

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Well, I went to Iraq.

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My platoon went home.

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I decided I wanted to get out at that point.

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It just, for me, it wasn't really what I thought it was going to be.

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What was it?

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I thought it would be a lot more combat.

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I wanted to go out every night and do the job, do direct actions, do CQB, do sniper stuff, whatever.

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I just wanted to work.

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And we weren't getting that in Afghanistan.

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It was few and far between.

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This was 05 timeframe and 05-06 timeframe.

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I can't remember what happened.

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But the elections were dragging on.

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And so I had a OIC, which is kind of like the leader of a steel platoon.

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He had found a way to farm us out to conventional units that were getting hit.

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We're getting hit on supply routes with roadside bombs, suicide bombers.

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stuff like that.

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And so we would attach into these conventional units and train them up.

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Hey, this is how you run surveillance.

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This is how you come up with a mission, basically.

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And we would teach them everything from how to plan the mission to how to set up a sniper hide, how to shoot, how to insert, how to exfil, how to position all the different teams.

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And then we would go out there, we would take them with us,

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and hunt the people that were killing our guys.

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And every time we went out, we had killed the bad guys, the terrorists within 24 hours of being out there.

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And then we'd move on to the next unit.

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And that was my last deployment.

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When you came back from the SEAL team, were you a different man?

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Definitely.

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In what way were you changed?

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A lot of ways.

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You learn a lot of critical life lessons in the SEAL teams and be in environments like that.

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And your personal drive just goes through the roof.

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What you realize that you can accomplish as a human being is far more than I think what the normal person thinks.

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Your ability to...

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to work in stress, in extreme stress goes through the roof.

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There's another side too.

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I mean, you get addicted to adrenaline, you get addicted to those type of environments.

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You succumb to the culture that comes with that, which is a lot of drinking, fighting, all those things.

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So you're in the Navy SEALs?

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You contract with the CIA for a while.

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And then I guess the other, you know, pretty tremendous accomplishment is you now have built one of the biggest podcasts on planet Earth where you interview people just like I do here.

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That is correct.

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Do you think podcasters are being compromised by sort of guests being planted?

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Yes.

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I have no proof, but yes.

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And in a couple of different ways.

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So here's one example.

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But not just podcast, let's go influencers, not just podcasters.

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So Trump administration crushed it in the elections, in the election cycle, right?

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Different podcasts.

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They really utilized the podcast.

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They saw the power of it.

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They utilized it.

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And it was a great tactic.

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And then afterwards, you know, I think a lot of podcasters and influencers, they felt powerful because, you know, they got close to the president.

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They got close to the administration.

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And if you saw what happened, you know, do you remember the first Epstein file release?

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When they had all these people show up and they're holding up the binders and shit.

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You know, they did not understand that.

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That the minute that happened, they were captured.

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Who was?

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Everybody that was in those pictures.

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Oh, okay, yeah.

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They can no longer be a free thinker because maybe they are a free thinker, but the appearance that they just gave off is that they are in a tribe, you know?

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And they were smart to do this, and—

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I've had several invites.

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I always turn it down because, no, I don't know.

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I'm not doing that.

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Invites to where?

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Invites to wherever.

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The White House.

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Football games, the White House, this, that.

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You know, public events where you'll be seen, where you'll be photographed, where it looks like everybody's on one team and we're all having a party and we're all friends and all this shit.

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You know, that's a way to capture...

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what you're doing without you even realizing it and showing the world, hey, look, we have Stephen.

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We've got him.

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We've got pictures of him holding binders up.

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We've got pictures of him at dinners with us.

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He's on our team.

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And maybe you didn't want that, but you were so fixated on being close to power that you didn't even realize it was happening.

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And now those people are all captured.

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It feels like once-in-a-lifetime stuff.

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Hey, we want you to come, you know, ride on Air Force One, ride on Marine One.

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Do this, do this with us, do this.

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I'm not doing any of that shit.

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I know what this is.

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You're trying to capture me.

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and put me into a group.

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You can't allow that to happen.

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Otherwise you hit a ceiling.

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And the minute that happens, you've hit the ceiling.

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And you don't know what kind of decisions these people are going to wind up making later on.

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So that was one of the ways you can be captured.

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That's one of the ways.

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You're talking about people being inserted into the podcast circuit.

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Yeah, I think there are definitely people that are in the podcast circuit that are planted, but maybe they don't even know.

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Guests or hosts or both?

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Probably both.

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Probably both.

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You know?

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But like you said, we were talking about it offline.

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But yeah, I think there are guests that come out of nowhere and all of a sudden you see these people that nobody's ever heard of and they get just unfathomable traction in numbers.

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Yeah.

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But it's not because they have a good life story.

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It's not because of something miraculous that they've done.

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It's just they're talking about current events.

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And I think the way that this works is you could talk to somebody for two, three, four, five hours.

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But the mission, the piece of information, it may only be one sentence that they know is going to hit.

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Yeah.

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that they know, you know, they're hoping gets clipped.

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Well, they can clip.

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And then that goes viral.

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Or maybe we've done something.

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This has happened to me.

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These people can come on and they'll make predictions about what's going to happen in different geopolitical events that are going around the world, you know, Ukraine, Israel, Iran, whatever it is, you know, whatever the thing.

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And then you get a text, you know, Hey, you know, I call, I told you this was going to happen.

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And it's like, you did tell me, how the fuck did you know that?

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You know?

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And, and it's like, how do you, how do you even remember this?

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You said that because you did 50 shows, you know, you did 50 different podcasts and in a two month span, how do you remember you said that on mine?

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And when I have things like that happen, I'm like, Oh,

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they got me.

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I wouldn't have believed any of this.

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I wouldn't, as an ordinary civilian, I wouldn't have believed any of this stuff even existed until I started learning about the spy organizations around the world.

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And because, how do I say this?

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You kind of grow up thinking the world is as it seems.

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And then you see, I don't know, James Bond, and you go, okay, that's a movie.

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And at some point, I realized that these things were actually true.

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Like that there are lots of different sort of spy agencies and networks around the world, and they use all these operations.

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They compromise people.

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They put them in certain situations.

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There are people living here in New York City right now that are living...

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Lives we assume are real.

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They've got families.

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They've got jobs.

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They've got businesses.

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They've got all these things.

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But they're actually planted from another country.

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And that other country is like funneling the money to support them and prop up a fake life.

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Like when I learned all these things, I suddenly became very cautious generally about like calling anything a conspiracy.

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And then you sit here with these spies.

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I mean, I've probably, you've interviewed a lot of CIA spies.

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Yeah.

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If I'd heard someone saying this on a podcast, I would have thought they were a conspiracy theorist.

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I would have dismissed it and gone fuck, idiots.

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Now, maybe from doing this, no, no, no, no.

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It makes logical sense to me.

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Like if I was insert adversary, that's what I would do.

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I would get insert great podcast guest.

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I'd get that because I'd know that the minute they have one good podcast performance, every podcast calls them.

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You can do 100 million views of just one good podcast performance.

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And can you influence a podcast performance?

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Can you send traffic to a podcast theoretically?

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Could you, of course you could.

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I think you can.

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I think that they, you know, I think that they,

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I think that they have people inside of all the platforms that we use.

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Here's an example.

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I started talking about a certain subject very early on, and I'm not going to say we got shadow banned, but there was a lot.

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I'm still not even in the top most.

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What is that section in YouTube?

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The most popular podcast.

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We're number three on Spotify today.

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We've been the number one on YouTube several different times, but I can't get into the

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My show will not appear in popular podcasts because it's something that I was saying a long time ago.

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It had to do with terrorism.

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Oh, this section.

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Yeah.

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Oh.

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You'll never see mine in there.

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We get like 150 to 200 million views a month.

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It's not in there.

283
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Yeah, you've got more US views this week than Rogan has.

284
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It's odd, isn't it?

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But anyways, so I think that there are people inside, you know, and I'm not saying that the companies even know, you know, because that's how this game works.

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The intelligence work is, you know,

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Is the primary job, but the cover is, oh, I'm just an employee at YouTube.

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You know what I mean?

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Oh, I'm just an employee at Meta.

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Oh, I'm just an employee at TikTok.

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Oh, I'm just an employee.

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But it's a mole inside the organization that nobody really realizes is happening.

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Hmm.

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You know, Annie Jacobson calls it speculative narratives instead of conspiracy theories.

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Speculative narratives.

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Speculative narratives.

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I love that.

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I mean, she knows a lot about conspiracy theories herself.

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I mean, she's like basically studied and proven a lot of them aren't conspiracies.

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So I'm guessing she's saying that in a way that is supportive of the idea that

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These speculative narratives are often true.

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I'm not complaining.

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I have a great partnership with YouTube.

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I love, they've been great to me.

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You know what I mean?

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I don't really give a shit if I'm in that or not.

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I just find it very odd that we're not, you know?

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It's just like, well, this doesn't make much sense.

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I think with all platforms, there's a human element where there's someone at the office picking.

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I mean, that's the case with all, it seems to be the case with all these platforms.

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Did you endorse Trump before the election?

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I was supportive of him.

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I wanted him to win.

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I don't think I gave any official endorsements or anything.

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I did get put in that sphere.

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What nobody remembers is I offered the Democratic Party, I mean, you can look it up, I think it's on the Washington Post, and we were talking to Kamala's team.

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I wanted to have her on.

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I wanted to have everybody on.

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So they said no.

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Kamala Harris's team said no.

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They said no, but it wasn't just a hard no.

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We were talking about it.

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We were coming up with an outline.

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I had all these things that I wanted to talk about.

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They said, well, we don't want to talk about that.

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We don't want to.

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I said, I'll tell you what.

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You guys just tell me what you, I don't care what you want to talk about.

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I know I can hold my own.

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So you give me the topics and I'll develop the outline.

331
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How about that?

332
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And when Trump came on, was there anything he didn't want to talk about?

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There were no guidelines.

334
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I think this should be a little bit of a sort of a lesson for the Democratic Party about how to navigate in these environments.

335
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Yeah.

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They're learning.

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When Kamala came on my show, which was after the election and after she'd lost and all that stuff, no guidelines.

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Oh, really?

339
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Zero.

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That's good.

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She didn't tell me there was anything I couldn't talk about.

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But I think at that point, they had nothing to lose.

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I actually think at that point, she didn't even have the same team anymore.

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Yeah.

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That's good.

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She came in.

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She was, in my view, she was honest.

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She said, Joe Biden kind of screwed me over.

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She was swearing.

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There was none of this sort of like cookie cutter, polished politician sentence bullshit.

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You got the real thing.

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She just was super relaxed.

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That's good.

354
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And I just wish she'd offered that side of her to shows like yours beforehand because it would have been good to see the comparison.

355
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Yeah, that's what I wanted to do.

356
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You know, and I had RFK on when he was still running as an independent.

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But yeah, we got very close to Kamala.

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And then at the last minute, they backed out.

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I wish it would have happened.

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I don't think it would have changed the outcome, but I wish it would have happened.

361
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Have you changed your opinion on Trump now?

362
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Oh, yeah.

363
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Really?

364
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Yeah.

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Why?

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Oh, man, just for a multitude of reasons.

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I'm just, you know, to put it plainly, I'm not really happy about anything that's happening right now.

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I think he's totally gone against what he said he was going to do.

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And what do you think?

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Are you happy?

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Yeah.

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I'm not an American, so I tend to like trying to, you know, but I think, I mean, one of the things I think a lot about is this situation in Iran and how much of a blunder that appears to be.

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You know, I don't know a ton about the military or war or conflict, but logically I can't reason my way out of...

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that situation.

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Like I can't find a good outcome at this point to what's going on there.

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And because you have been a service person, you served for America, I was curious to get your perspective on what you think is going on there.

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And do you see a golden bridge or a positive outcome

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No, no, I don't.

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At this point, I don't, I don't know what's going on there anymore.

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Nothing seems to make any damn sense to me.

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I don't think there's any positive outcome for America.

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When you talk to your former colleagues in the military, what's the general sentiment around the deployment and the situation there?

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They think that they are involved for for another country's interests.

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Whose interests is it for?

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I think Israel probably has the majority of the interest here.

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I sat with J.D.

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Vance.

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He said that, you know, he said, we're the senior partner.

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But it sounds like your colleagues are saying that maybe that's not necessarily the case.

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It doesn't seem like that's the case to me.

391
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Do you buy the narrative that Trump invaded or started the war for reasons related to nuclear weapons?

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No.

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What do you think the real reason is, Sean?

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I don't know.

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You know, anything I say would just be speculative, but I don't think they're for our interests.

396
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And so why would Trump be sucked into doing something for a non-American country's interests?

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That's a great question.

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I don't know the answer to.

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Do you think America would be better off if the Democrats had won?

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I think that these are...

401
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seemingly more and more to be one in the same.

402
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And this is why you're sort of retracting from politics, is because you're sort of, it sounded like you were a bit disillusioned by one of these candidates.

403
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Yeah.

404
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I've had, I mean, I just...

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Pretty much every one of them that I've had on has just lied straight to my face.

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Really?

407
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And to everybody who watches.

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You know what I'm interested in is, I think that there is a possibility that

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Maybe it's already happened, but I think that there's a possibility that America may no longer be the superpower or will not be shortly for a multitude of reasons.

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I mean, if you look at, you know, the power that China's power structure, nuclear, they're going nuclear.

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And we're still batting around this shit here in America.

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Should we go nuclear?

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What are we going to do about our power grid?

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And the petrodollar, I mean, you've had, what's that guy's name?

415
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He does a great breakdown on it.

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Professor, the game theory guy.

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Yeah.

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Yeah.

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Professor Chung.

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Yeah.

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He does a great breakdown of it.

422
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And I mean, when you think about it, it's like, holy shit.

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And you think about everybody that we've pissed off, you know, in America.

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I mean, like Canada, for example.

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You know, they wanted to pipe in, what is it, Keystone Pipeline?

426
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Biden said no.

427
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They don't want it.

428
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Trump says, so they start to make deals with other countries, China.

429
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Now, Trump is penalizing him for it.

430
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I can't remember the exact tariffs, but it went from somewhere around 25% to 50% to 100% or, you know, whatever.

431
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But we're penalizing them.

432
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And it's like, shit, man, four years ago or less, they wanted to pipe it in.

433
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Now we've got this new guy.

434
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And now we're going to penalize him because they're not going to pipe it in.

435
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And they're looking at us like, these people are fucking crazy.

436
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They're like dealing with a schizophrenic.

437
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How do you do business with that?

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I mean, as a business owner, as an entrepreneur, you can't do business with an entity like that.

439
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You can't.

440
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And I think the whole world is seeing this, you know, because it's happening to damn near the whole world.

441
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Except one country, Israel.

442
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But everybody else, you know, we're destroying our relationships with.

443
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And yeah, does the U.S., you know, put in the majority of the money and take them, you know, put in the majority of the risk, you know, with a lot of the things?

444
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Yes, we do.

445
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But we still need allies, you know, and you can't just shit.

446
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and ruin everybody's trade infrastructure and oil trade and, and, and, and penalize people for making changes for some, for something that they tried to do earlier, you know, with you and it's happening all over the world.

447
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And so one of the things that I'm interested in, uh, that I'm looking for is I want to start talking to, uh, starting with the UK.

448
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I want to talk about when, you know, what did it look like for the UK when, when the U S took the, the superpowership and,

449
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You know, back in World War II, what did that actually look like?

450
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Because all we hear is all this doom and gloom and, you know, it's going to be lawless.

451
00:26:04.749 --> 00:26:06.870
Our currency is going to go to zero.

452
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Look, that all might happen.

453
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It might.

454
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I don't know.

455
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I'm not...

456
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But it might be maybe it's I don't know.

457
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Maybe it's a good thing.

458
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Was it that bad in the UK when?

459
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So I want to bring on a historian to actually find out what what exactly did that look like?

460
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I'll tell you one thing.

461
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If we do lose it, it's going to take a lot of these a lot of PAC money, you know, out of U.S. politics.

462
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It's going to, you know, hopefully force politicians to actually look at our country.

463
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and concentrate on our country.

464
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You know, another thing I want to do, I probably shouldn't be saying this.

465
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I want to do a thing called 50 states in 50 days where you go to the poorest parts of each state and just film it and look at this shit.

466
00:26:52.601 --> 00:26:53.422
Look at this shit.

467
00:26:53.902 --> 00:27:01.469
Why are we sending all of our money to all of these other foreign countries when this shit is happening right here in New York?

468
00:27:02.282 --> 00:27:04.063
Tomorrow, we're going to be in New Jersey.

469
00:27:04.423 --> 00:27:06.344
And the next day, we're going to be in Wisconsin.

470
00:27:06.364 --> 00:27:26.294
Then we're going to go to California, Alabama, Mississippi, Florida, every single state and just show how much poverty and how disgusting certain parts of this country are and why the fuck are we sending all of our money to all these foreign countries instead of taking care of our own people.

471
00:27:26.614 --> 00:27:27.515
It's disgusting.

472
00:27:29.256 --> 00:27:31.337
Our politicians have totally abandoned us.

473
00:27:32.650 --> 00:27:35.533
They're just, they're runaways.

474
00:27:36.714 --> 00:27:42.759
And then I want to call out every single senator, congressman, governor, and just look at this.

475
00:27:43.040 --> 00:27:43.960
This is your state.

476
00:27:44.762 --> 00:27:45.862
This is your state.

477
00:27:45.922 --> 00:27:50.404
This is the state that you represent, and this shit is happening all around you.

478
00:27:50.864 --> 00:27:51.324
Look at this.

479
00:27:51.965 --> 00:27:59.407
There's both, I guess, a disrespect here at home, but there's also, as you point it, like a disrespect of allies.

480
00:28:00.088 --> 00:28:13.393
And you know, you can put the tariff there and whatever, but I think one of the things that made the US the superpower, that it is still, but you know, that's increasingly in question, is there was this sort of peace by strength or whatever the phrase is.

481
00:28:14.333 --> 00:28:18.799
Like, you're strong because you never really have to, like, say you are.

482
00:28:19.340 --> 00:28:21.944
You don't act like a bully, but we just know you're strong.

483
00:28:22.765 --> 00:28:27.412
And then the minute you start acting like a bully, we start going, is that strength or is that insecurity?

484
00:28:27.532 --> 00:28:27.852
Uh-huh.

485
00:28:28.746 --> 00:28:37.077
You know, the minute you start insulting countries and being rude about their leaders and saying that, I don't know, Canada is the 52nd state or whatever, Trump's dead.

486
00:28:37.257 --> 00:28:39.099
That's when it starts to look a little bit more like insecurity.

487
00:28:40.982 --> 00:28:46.249
And also that's when I think some of these nations go, shit, like maybe we need to band together ourselves instead of...

488
00:28:47.531 --> 00:28:48.932
banding together with the United States.

489
00:28:48.952 --> 00:29:00.339
And I think you're seeing that in Europe now with what's going on with Iran, the European leaders are now coming back together and saying, fuck, like, we might not be as safe as we thought we were in the US's, you know, with the US's leadership.

490
00:29:00.359 --> 00:29:01.900
And so we need to form a new type of leadership.

491
00:29:03.000 --> 00:29:04.681
It's a really interesting time.

492
00:29:04.741 --> 00:29:05.181
And do you know what?

493
00:29:05.541 --> 00:29:08.502
One might say that China are playing it very smart.

494
00:29:09.502 --> 00:29:10.643
Not making enemies with anybody.

495
00:29:11.183 --> 00:29:13.584
That calm strength.

496
00:29:14.184 --> 00:29:15.344
They don't need to do anything.

497
00:29:16.004 --> 00:29:19.065
We're watching us self-destruct right now, in real time.

498
00:29:19.946 --> 00:29:21.086
Do you care about the 2028 election?

499
00:29:21.226 --> 00:29:24.447
Are you going to get involved in it if the politicians will want to come back on your show?

500
00:29:26.308 --> 00:29:26.748
I don't know.

501
00:29:26.988 --> 00:29:27.288
I mean...

502
00:29:29.559 --> 00:29:30.119
It depends.

503
00:29:30.880 --> 00:29:32.381
Right now, I think probably not.

504
00:29:33.301 --> 00:29:38.864
If there were to be some type of a third party, then I would probably get involved.

505
00:29:39.965 --> 00:29:45.868
But right now, with what I see, I just don't really see any strong candidates.

506
00:29:46.328 --> 00:29:48.850
You mentioned you had someone on your podcast called Blair.

507
00:29:49.921 --> 00:29:52.383
Who said something which was slightly suspicious to you?

508
00:29:52.603 --> 00:29:53.403
Blairum Squirrel?

509
00:29:53.523 --> 00:29:53.744
Yeah.

510
00:29:54.024 --> 00:29:54.324
Yeah.

511
00:29:54.924 --> 00:29:59.968
Yeah, I think that ICE got him and they're trying to deport him out of the country or something.

512
00:29:59.988 --> 00:30:01.129
We got an email about it.

513
00:30:01.983 --> 00:30:06.945
Which, if he was an asset, actually did all that stuff for us, which, you know, I think he did.

514
00:30:07.205 --> 00:30:07.605
What happened?

515
00:30:07.805 --> 00:30:09.505
I guess I don't know the full scope.

516
00:30:09.545 --> 00:30:14.847
I just know that he got wrapped up by ICE, and it sounds like they're going to deport him.

517
00:30:15.788 --> 00:30:18.869
And that he's worried that if they deport him, that he's going to be killed.

518
00:30:19.409 --> 00:30:21.529
Apparently, ICE doesn't care about that.

519
00:30:21.970 --> 00:30:22.190
But...

520
00:30:23.430 --> 00:30:26.492
Yeah, you know, he came on and we were talking about it was a life story.

521
00:30:26.672 --> 00:30:35.997
Basically, in a nutshell, he came on and he was a he got recruited out of prison to infiltrate the Islamic terrorist cells, the Muslim Brotherhood.

522
00:30:36.217 --> 00:30:36.937
He's American.

523
00:30:37.317 --> 00:30:37.918
He is from.

524
00:30:39.601 --> 00:30:41.703
I can't remember, Eastern Bloc country.

525
00:30:42.704 --> 00:30:50.193
He was able to infiltrate all these like huge like terrorist cells that had huge weapons caches.

526
00:30:50.773 --> 00:30:55.438
And he would go and he was a CIA asset and he would go and do the deal.

527
00:30:55.458 --> 00:31:01.185
And then all of that, those caches would get shipped to another country where it would and then it would be in CIA's hands.

528
00:31:01.805 --> 00:31:04.707
And so we had this long conversation about this.

529
00:31:04.747 --> 00:31:13.371
And then all of a sudden, he starts talking about Russians getting nukes into the U.S. And it was just so out of left field.

530
00:31:13.852 --> 00:31:19.695
It made me think, you know, I just said earlier, you know, you could talk to somebody for a

531
00:31:20.495 --> 00:31:23.056
two, three, four, five, however many hours.

532
00:31:23.557 --> 00:31:32.341
And maybe they just need one thing inserted into the podcast, you know, to start a new narrative or to reinforce a current narrative.

533
00:31:33.142 --> 00:31:36.743
You know, there's a big back then, still is today, you know, big narrative.

534
00:31:36.803 --> 00:31:37.544
We all need to...

535
00:31:38.067 --> 00:31:39.488
We all need to hate Russia.

536
00:31:40.049 --> 00:31:41.230
Maybe we do, maybe we don't.

537
00:31:41.270 --> 00:31:42.350
I'm not saying either way.

538
00:31:43.031 --> 00:32:03.908
But, you know, for us to be talking about the global war on terror and his time is a CIA asset infiltrating terrorist networks and derailing massive weapons caches back to wherever they were going, you know, and then all of a sudden for him to talk about the Russians –

539
00:32:05.725 --> 00:32:09.722
bringing in nuclear warheads or whatever it was into the U S I was like,

540
00:32:10.554 --> 00:32:16.799
And I think I challenged him right on the show, and I said, you know, how do I know that you weren't sent here just to put that one sentence into the show?

541
00:32:16.819 --> 00:32:17.980
That came out of left field.

542
00:32:19.241 --> 00:32:23.064
That doesn't fit anywhere with any conversation that we've been talking about.

543
00:32:23.985 --> 00:32:24.525
What did he say?

544
00:32:25.486 --> 00:32:28.008
He was, you know, taken back.

545
00:32:28.408 --> 00:32:29.949
I don't remember exactly what he said.

546
00:32:30.169 --> 00:32:33.312
You could probably find the clip somewhere, but that's how it happens.

547
00:32:33.792 --> 00:32:34.593
That's how it happens.

548
00:32:34.833 --> 00:32:36.654
I'm not saying that he is or isn't one.

549
00:32:37.115 --> 00:32:39.717
I'm saying that's what it looks like when it happens.

550
00:32:40.017 --> 00:32:46.402
And your gut sometimes tells you that you're interviewing someone who is probably still working on behalf of an agency.

551
00:32:48.463 --> 00:32:49.444
Do you delete a lot of episodes?

552
00:32:50.865 --> 00:32:51.905
No.

553
00:32:52.005 --> 00:32:54.747
I've had episodes that I didn't delete or that I never aired.

554
00:32:55.188 --> 00:32:59.251
I've had, I don't know, not very many, but I've had a handful, you know.

555
00:32:59.591 --> 00:33:00.611
What is the reason typically?

556
00:33:01.756 --> 00:33:04.179
Well, one time I had a guy come on.

557
00:33:04.379 --> 00:33:05.941
This was about the COVID vaccine.

558
00:33:06.661 --> 00:33:18.554
And he comes on and he's talking about how the COVID vaccine was developed in a lab and was patented way before COVID even came out.

559
00:33:19.355 --> 00:33:21.096
And it was very compelling.

560
00:33:21.657 --> 00:33:23.598
And I didn't really think about it until afterwards.

561
00:33:23.638 --> 00:33:32.103
But afterwards, when I was thinking about the interviews, some of these interviews I'll think about all weekend or, you know, days, weeks sometimes after they happen.

562
00:33:32.364 --> 00:33:34.005
I mean, it sounded super compelling.

563
00:33:34.045 --> 00:33:34.985
And maybe it was real.

564
00:33:35.346 --> 00:33:35.746
I don't know.

565
00:33:36.246 --> 00:33:40.449
But every time he would, it was COVID-19, COVID, COVID, COVID, COVID.

566
00:33:40.469 --> 00:33:41.409
But then when he would say...

567
00:33:42.330 --> 00:33:47.894
He wouldn't say the COVID vaccine was patented prior to 2020.

568
00:33:48.935 --> 00:33:53.998
He would say the SARS vaccine was patented prior to, you know.

569
00:33:54.098 --> 00:33:57.861
But the narrative was the COVID-19 vaccine was patented.

570
00:34:01.119 --> 00:34:04.240
Patented long before COVID-19 ever even came out.

571
00:34:04.660 --> 00:34:06.121
But like I said, he would switch it.

572
00:34:06.581 --> 00:34:07.141
He would switch.

573
00:34:07.161 --> 00:34:08.722
We would be saying COVID, COVID, COVID.

574
00:34:08.742 --> 00:34:10.363
But then he would say the SARS vaccine.

575
00:34:11.183 --> 00:34:17.325
And so he left and I was like, I mean, there's got to be like a million different.

576
00:34:17.565 --> 00:34:20.487
There's like thousands of variations of SARS and COVID.

577
00:34:21.587 --> 00:34:23.629
And so why did he keep switching it?

578
00:34:23.869 --> 00:34:26.911
Why didn't he just say the COVID-19 vaccine?

579
00:34:26.951 --> 00:34:28.312
Why did he switch it to SARS?

580
00:34:29.173 --> 00:34:31.274
And so that clicked on us.

581
00:34:31.935 --> 00:34:34.237
It just made me think, maybe this isn't factual.

582
00:34:34.857 --> 00:34:40.942
And I don't want to, you know, I've done speculative narrative interviews, lots of them.

583
00:34:41.242 --> 00:34:48.728
But once again, we were talking earlier, you know, we have audiences of millions and millions and millions of people.

584
00:34:49.681 --> 00:34:58.543
And I don't want to put something out that's not factual and have somebody make an important medical decision based on bullshit.

585
00:34:58.763 --> 00:35:00.063
And I just didn't want to gamble that.

586
00:35:00.103 --> 00:35:02.324
So I never released the episode.

587
00:35:02.704 --> 00:35:04.324
And I talked to lots of doctors.

588
00:35:04.404 --> 00:35:08.625
And it was a charged subject, you know, at the time.

589
00:35:09.205 --> 00:35:10.705
And so I didn't like the vax.

590
00:35:11.066 --> 00:35:11.606
I took it.

591
00:35:12.326 --> 00:35:12.666
But...

592
00:35:13.406 --> 00:35:16.928
I regret it, but whatever, you know what I mean?

593
00:35:16.948 --> 00:35:17.468
It doesn't matter.

594
00:35:17.508 --> 00:35:21.850
I didn't want anybody making that type of a, I know that people trust me.

595
00:35:22.171 --> 00:35:28.934
I couldn't live with myself if I found out that guy was totally full of shit, feeding a bullshit narrative or whatever.

596
00:35:29.915 --> 00:35:34.637
And then you got people, you know, either taking it or not taking it based off what he said.

597
00:35:35.297 --> 00:35:36.478
So I never aired that.

598
00:35:36.658 --> 00:35:38.139
You know, I've had another guy,

599
00:35:39.980 --> 00:35:45.024
I was interested in a lot of the stuff going on in the World Economic Forum.

600
00:35:46.245 --> 00:35:50.007
And I had this guy that I thought was an expert on the World Economic Forum come on.

601
00:35:50.047 --> 00:35:51.708
And he couldn't even tell me what it was.

602
00:35:52.775 --> 00:35:53.856
I was like, well, what is it?

603
00:35:54.557 --> 00:35:55.498
Is it a business?

604
00:35:55.558 --> 00:35:56.279
Is it a non-profit?

605
00:35:56.319 --> 00:35:56.860
What is it?

606
00:35:57.220 --> 00:35:57.981
He couldn't even tell me.

607
00:35:58.001 --> 00:36:01.064
And then he would just start talking about all this conspiracy shit.

608
00:36:01.084 --> 00:36:05.870
And I'm like, look, if you can't even tell me what it is, like, you really have no business being here.

609
00:36:06.170 --> 00:36:07.912
So let's just end the interview right now.

610
00:36:08.753 --> 00:36:10.795
And recently I had one where...

611
00:36:12.417 --> 00:36:13.097
this woman on.

612
00:36:13.497 --> 00:36:16.599
Supposedly, she worked for the agency.

613
00:36:17.200 --> 00:36:24.924
Then when I started talking about agency stuff, of course, everything's classified, so we hide behind the classification system.

614
00:36:25.765 --> 00:36:28.546
And the only thing she wanted to talk about was the polygraph.

615
00:36:28.827 --> 00:36:29.987
And I'm like, the polygraph?

616
00:36:30.007 --> 00:36:32.048
You can't say shit about the polygraph.

617
00:36:32.589 --> 00:36:34.570
Everybody in there has to take a polygraph.

618
00:36:34.590 --> 00:36:35.551
Why are we talking about the...

619
00:36:36.311 --> 00:36:40.655
Is this like something that you researched really hard on what a polygraph's like?

620
00:36:40.695 --> 00:36:44.298
So to make yourself sound legitimate because you're not talking about anything else.

621
00:36:45.499 --> 00:36:50.944
And, you know, something that may be classified that they don't want out is how to defeat a polygraph.

622
00:36:51.224 --> 00:36:51.564
So...

623
00:36:52.605 --> 00:36:54.626
And that was within the past couple of months.

624
00:36:54.706 --> 00:36:57.267
And, you know, we, we ended that one pretty quickly.

625
00:36:58.247 --> 00:37:00.107
I think she knew exactly.

626
00:37:01.268 --> 00:37:04.909
It was, so we'll never release that one, but I don't care.

627
00:37:05.009 --> 00:37:05.489
You know what I mean?

628
00:37:05.529 --> 00:37:10.011
I just, I don't want to knowingly put things that are bullshit out there.

629
00:37:10.031 --> 00:37:11.371
I mean, it's going to happen.

630
00:37:11.391 --> 00:37:12.771
We're going to make mistakes.

631
00:37:12.951 --> 00:37:17.993
I've made mistakes, but you know, knowingly just for views, you know,

632
00:37:18.998 --> 00:37:20.780
Nah, I have no interest in that.

633
00:37:21.781 --> 00:37:27.387
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634
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And then once you did your stint through the sort of security era of your life and through the, after your CIA contracting role, at 34, you moved to Medellin, Colombia, and spent two years drinking alcohol.

665
00:39:51.352 --> 00:39:58.294
Yeah, I started in Cartagena and ultimately just decided I'm going to camp out of Medellin.

666
00:39:59.014 --> 00:40:02.776
Did you get involved in the drug dealing networks while you were there?

667
00:40:04.812 --> 00:40:06.053
Yes, I did.

668
00:40:06.533 --> 00:40:08.795
How do you categorize this season of your life in Colombia?

669
00:40:08.975 --> 00:40:19.362
Because before then, you're a SEAL, you're doing contracting work with the CIA, and then it appears that in this season of your life, when I look at it from sort of a bird's eye view, that it represents instability.

670
00:40:21.123 --> 00:40:23.285
I think what it represents is, you know,

671
00:40:24.880 --> 00:40:27.322
just talked about addiction to adrenaline.

672
00:40:27.482 --> 00:40:28.083
Yeah.

673
00:40:28.103 --> 00:40:31.726
And I wasn't getting that adrenaline anywhere.

674
00:40:32.366 --> 00:40:35.409
And, you know, I would be in the States and it was boring to me.

675
00:40:35.709 --> 00:40:43.115
You know, it was, it was, it was boring going to the bar and that life just, it had no appeal to me.

676
00:40:43.135 --> 00:40:43.796
It was boring.

677
00:40:44.016 --> 00:40:50.481
And then on top of that, I was tired of listening to everyday average Americans talk about the war and

678
00:40:51.438 --> 00:40:55.601
give their opinions on what we should be doing when none of them have done anything.

679
00:40:56.001 --> 00:40:57.222
It just didn't sit well with me.

680
00:40:57.262 --> 00:41:00.644
So that's why, you know, when I said I went down, I didn't want to hear English.

681
00:41:00.684 --> 00:41:03.586
I didn't want to hear people asking me for my opinions.

682
00:41:03.646 --> 00:41:05.027
I didn't want to hear their opinions.

683
00:41:05.828 --> 00:41:07.349
I don't think their opinions mattered.

684
00:41:07.589 --> 00:41:09.350
I didn't think that at the time anyways.

685
00:41:10.050 --> 00:41:13.913
And so I went down there and it became like a game to me.

686
00:41:14.658 --> 00:41:15.659
It wasn't the dealing.

687
00:41:15.679 --> 00:41:17.801
I never really dealt.

688
00:41:18.422 --> 00:41:31.594
It was more setting up the network that gave me the rush and infiltrating networks and figuring out who the players are and all that and being able to insert myself into the middle of all of that.

689
00:41:32.455 --> 00:41:37.039
You know, in retrospect, it was probably the most dangerous thing I'd ever done.

690
00:41:38.161 --> 00:41:38.801
I didn't care.

691
00:41:39.002 --> 00:41:43.184
You know, I just, I didn't really have any value for my own life.

692
00:41:43.604 --> 00:41:48.486
I wouldn't say I was suicidal at the time, but I just, I was in it for the thrill.

693
00:41:49.467 --> 00:41:53.789
And to me, there was nothing else that was going to give me a thrill, a bigger thrill than that.

694
00:41:54.689 --> 00:41:59.751
And I figured if, if this gets boring, then I'll probably just die down here.

695
00:42:01.172 --> 00:42:02.533
I'll probably just die down here.

696
00:42:02.813 --> 00:42:03.093
Yeah.

697
00:42:04.982 --> 00:42:08.446
I mean, it sounds like you came pretty close to getting in significant trouble.

698
00:42:08.506 --> 00:42:11.089
At one point, your apartment was bugged by the police.

699
00:42:12.330 --> 00:42:12.630
Yeah.

700
00:42:13.692 --> 00:42:14.813
Yeah.

701
00:42:16.855 --> 00:42:19.978
I had come home, and I was probably...

702
00:42:21.120 --> 00:42:24.722
I did a lot of drugs down there, a lot of cocaine.

703
00:42:25.822 --> 00:42:27.383
And I don't know.

704
00:42:27.503 --> 00:42:30.604
I was on three, four, maybe a five-day bender.

705
00:42:31.825 --> 00:42:38.048
And there was this bridge down there that was called, in this area called Barrio Antioquia.

706
00:42:38.468 --> 00:42:42.109
I don't know what it's like now, but back then, you couldn't get in there.

707
00:42:42.129 --> 00:42:44.210
You couldn't get a taxi to drive you in there.

708
00:42:44.350 --> 00:42:47.192
You couldn't get in there without going through several police checkpoints.

709
00:42:49.413 --> 00:42:52.354
but that's where the cheapest and best Coke was.

710
00:42:53.254 --> 00:42:56.116
And that's where all the players are.

711
00:42:56.336 --> 00:42:59.077
It's all coming out of that specific neighborhood.

712
00:42:59.777 --> 00:43:09.501
And I used to go in there for a thrill and go up the chain, go up the dealer chain, find whose boss is whose boss is whose boss.

713
00:43:10.062 --> 00:43:17.005
Anyways, I went down there with a bunch of girls, and we went to this bridge called the Puente de los Locos.

714
00:43:17.985 --> 00:43:27.334
And it was all these, it was like a homeless camp and of just insane people.

715
00:43:28.215 --> 00:43:36.863
And I went down there with a huge stack of cash and just threw the money up in the air.

716
00:43:36.883 --> 00:43:38.964
So I wanted to see what would happen.

717
00:43:38.984 --> 00:43:41.827
Of course, they all got up and it was like a mad dash.

718
00:43:43.672 --> 00:43:46.934
And we almost didn't get out of there because they had surrounded me.

719
00:43:46.954 --> 00:43:48.715
There was hundreds of people.

720
00:43:49.035 --> 00:43:53.958
And so we wound up getting out of there in a car.

721
00:43:54.739 --> 00:43:59.922
And we got back to my building where I was staying at my penthouse.

722
00:44:01.082 --> 00:44:04.885
And one thing I always did was I always took care of the doorman at the building.

723
00:44:05.086 --> 00:44:09.109
You know, all the security guys, the doorman, they control who comes in and out.

724
00:44:10.310 --> 00:44:15.274
They can inform you if people are hanging around that, you know, maybe shouldn't be.

725
00:44:15.474 --> 00:44:16.575
People are looking for me.

726
00:44:16.595 --> 00:44:19.598
And so I built that was part of my network, you know, is taking care of them.

727
00:44:20.318 --> 00:44:23.440
And so anything I got, if I got Coke, they got Coke.

728
00:44:23.460 --> 00:44:25.021
If I got booze, they got booze.

729
00:44:25.501 --> 00:44:27.402
If I went clothes shopping, they got clothes.

730
00:44:27.422 --> 00:44:29.323
If I got groceries, they got groceries.

731
00:44:29.343 --> 00:44:30.324
They always got tipped.

732
00:44:31.284 --> 00:44:34.346
When I was leaving, I would give them a bunch of my clothes.

733
00:44:34.426 --> 00:44:36.207
I just always took care of those guys.

734
00:44:36.287 --> 00:44:40.029
And I came back and this guy, his name was Freddy.

735
00:44:40.806 --> 00:44:43.129
And he said that the police were after me.

736
00:44:44.250 --> 00:44:50.837
One thing, being a foreigner in Columbia, it's almost like a sin for them not to try to take advantage of you.

737
00:44:52.039 --> 00:44:57.825
And I had built a lot of trust with with Freddie, who's my favorite guy.

738
00:44:59.767 --> 00:45:00.508
And I was pissed.

739
00:45:01.469 --> 00:45:05.893
And I started yelling at him like, man, I give you all kinds of stuff.

740
00:45:05.953 --> 00:45:08.896
Why would you lie to me to try to get more out of me?

741
00:45:09.257 --> 00:45:11.239
I always take care of you.

742
00:45:11.259 --> 00:45:13.060
And he said, I'm not doing that.

743
00:45:13.721 --> 00:45:14.242
He said...

744
00:45:14.860 --> 00:45:18.863
They came by and they wanted copies of your passport.

745
00:45:18.883 --> 00:45:23.007
They wanted to know where you came from, who you are, who you work with, all these things.

746
00:45:24.108 --> 00:45:25.869
And I just thought he was full of shit.

747
00:45:26.029 --> 00:45:33.415
And he said, look, he said they told me that they have pictures of you throwing money up at Bridge in Barrio Antioquio.

748
00:45:34.676 --> 00:45:36.898
And that was, we had just come from there.

749
00:45:37.479 --> 00:45:39.961
And so I was like, oh, shit, he is not lying.

750
00:45:39.981 --> 00:45:40.081
Yeah.

751
00:45:40.965 --> 00:45:51.071
And what he was telling me was that they had supposedly planted a bug in the light fixture outside of my door.

752
00:45:52.252 --> 00:45:56.955
And that they had set up an observation point in a building across from me.

753
00:45:58.155 --> 00:46:01.477
And so I went up and scrubbed myself of everything.

754
00:46:04.463 --> 00:46:11.045
kind of scanned around to see if I could pick up, you know, who was looking at me, who was watching.

755
00:46:11.065 --> 00:46:12.725
I'm pretty sure I saw it.

756
00:46:13.825 --> 00:46:17.406
And got rid of everything, got rid of all the coke, got rid of everything.

757
00:46:18.086 --> 00:46:24.048
And then I did a SDR to a couple of different internet cafes.

758
00:46:24.783 --> 00:46:25.403
An SDR.

759
00:46:25.703 --> 00:46:26.224
An SDR.

760
00:46:26.244 --> 00:46:29.245
That's a surveillance detection route.

761
00:46:29.505 --> 00:46:30.185
Okay.

762
00:46:30.425 --> 00:46:35.547
And it's a route that you develop to figure out if you're being followed or not.

763
00:46:36.248 --> 00:46:36.928
So I did that.

764
00:46:37.468 --> 00:46:38.469
I didn't pick anything up.

765
00:46:39.789 --> 00:46:48.853
Bought a couple of different tickets to different places and was out of there within 12 hours, never to go back.

766
00:46:50.065 --> 00:46:53.147
And when you got back to the United States, presumably, had you changed?

767
00:46:53.667 --> 00:46:59.510
Was that enough of a close call for you to give up the cocaine habits that you had at the time?

768
00:47:01.631 --> 00:47:01.891
No.

769
00:47:02.131 --> 00:47:02.291
No.

770
00:47:02.931 --> 00:47:03.432
I tried.

771
00:47:03.452 --> 00:47:04.972
I had cleaned it up a lot.

772
00:47:05.493 --> 00:47:06.493
I had cleaned it up a lot.

773
00:47:06.733 --> 00:47:09.014
But I went, I started getting bored.

774
00:47:09.054 --> 00:47:13.277
And so I did a couple of trips, a trip or two maybe to Panama.

775
00:47:13.877 --> 00:47:18.079
Panama was a lot tamer than Colombia, but it's just as easy to get in the middle of it.

776
00:47:18.820 --> 00:47:20.701
And then I did one to Costa Rica.

777
00:47:21.541 --> 00:47:23.802
And then, I can't remember exactly how many.

778
00:47:24.262 --> 00:47:25.522
I'd gone a lot of different places.

779
00:47:25.562 --> 00:47:26.522
I went to Honduras.

780
00:47:27.463 --> 00:47:34.485
I went to San Pedro Sula because it was, it was literally the most dangerous place on the planet at the time.

781
00:47:34.505 --> 00:47:38.246
So I wanted to go there and feed my adrenaline.

782
00:47:38.726 --> 00:47:40.427
I had toned it down a lot, but,

783
00:47:44.751 --> 00:47:46.232
but I didn't clean it up 100%.

784
00:47:47.412 --> 00:47:50.413
What was the turning point for you in that season of your life?

785
00:47:50.813 --> 00:47:51.954
There were a lot of turning points.

786
00:47:52.314 --> 00:48:03.819
One turning point that made me clean it up quite a bit was my best friend was leaving contracting and he had a horrible addiction to opiates.

787
00:48:04.139 --> 00:48:07.140
And so he became my purpose.

788
00:48:07.920 --> 00:48:08.841
He became my purpose.

789
00:48:08.861 --> 00:48:10.181
I wanted to help clean him up.

790
00:48:10.241 --> 00:48:13.863
And so in order to clean him up, I had to clean myself up.

791
00:48:15.634 --> 00:48:19.276
And I think we made a lot of headway.

792
00:48:19.376 --> 00:48:24.279
Ultimately, he did succumb to his addiction years later.

793
00:48:25.420 --> 00:48:26.580
But that was a turning point.

794
00:48:26.620 --> 00:48:31.843
And in the middle of that journey, I had met this, I had started my therapy myself.

795
00:48:32.203 --> 00:48:33.724
What was the catalyst for you to go to therapy?

796
00:48:37.166 --> 00:48:37.807
I just knew I...

797
00:48:40.043 --> 00:48:45.006
I needed something and I had to set an example for my friend.

798
00:48:45.306 --> 00:48:47.387
Like, I'm doing it, so you should do it too.

799
00:48:47.748 --> 00:48:50.329
There was this call on Mother's Day as well, which I've had you talk about.

800
00:48:50.389 --> 00:48:51.310
That was in Colombia.

801
00:48:51.670 --> 00:48:52.731
That was it while you were in Colombia?

802
00:48:52.751 --> 00:48:54.011
That was while I was in Colombia.

803
00:48:54.131 --> 00:48:54.972
What was that phone call?

804
00:48:55.412 --> 00:48:56.072
That was a...

805
00:48:58.855 --> 00:49:00.537
I always thought I was ODing down there.

806
00:49:01.158 --> 00:49:05.723
My ankles would swell up, you know, from lack of blood circulation.

807
00:49:05.743 --> 00:49:10.970
And that would freak me out and lots of, you know, things.

808
00:49:11.010 --> 00:49:17.578
And I remember my friend told me early on, he said, you don't have to worry about,

809
00:49:19.989 --> 00:49:25.073
ODing on coke until things start to slow down.

810
00:49:25.753 --> 00:49:31.278
If you're on speed and then everything seems slow, that's when you're riding the edge.

811
00:49:32.639 --> 00:49:33.880
And so that started happening.

812
00:49:34.380 --> 00:49:43.107
I realized it was Mother's Day once, and I called my mom in the middle of that because I thought it was going to be my last day alive.

813
00:49:44.568 --> 00:49:48.811
And so that's, yeah, that's,

814
00:49:50.608 --> 00:49:51.990
That was a realization point.

815
00:49:52.350 --> 00:49:53.451
And then you found this therapist.

816
00:49:53.972 --> 00:49:55.193
And then I found this therapist.

817
00:49:56.314 --> 00:49:57.855
Was that a challenge to go to a therapist?

818
00:49:57.956 --> 00:50:02.200
You know, there's a lot of stigma associated with going to therapy, especially at that time.

819
00:50:02.606 --> 00:50:04.808
Yeah, I mean, it was definitely a blow to my ego.

820
00:50:04.848 --> 00:50:07.611
But at the same time, you know, I didn't really have any friends.

821
00:50:07.711 --> 00:50:10.734
Most of my friends were still operational at the time.

822
00:50:10.794 --> 00:50:13.597
And I didn't have any friends where I lived in Florida.

823
00:50:13.877 --> 00:50:15.298
And so nobody really knew me.

824
00:50:15.739 --> 00:50:17.000
And I didn't have anything else to do.

825
00:50:17.020 --> 00:50:18.161
I was like, what the hell?

826
00:50:18.301 --> 00:50:19.542
You know, I might as well try this.

827
00:50:20.804 --> 00:50:21.424
And it did help.

828
00:50:21.785 --> 00:50:22.405
It helped a lot.

829
00:50:24.447 --> 00:50:25.148
How did it help?

830
00:50:25.748 --> 00:50:26.269
You know, I think...

831
00:50:30.355 --> 00:50:44.280
It's amazing how many of your own problems you'll work out yourself in your head just by telling somebody who has a, you know, seemingly unbiased opinion, you know, just with a couple of a couple of questions.

832
00:50:44.640 --> 00:50:46.241
Kind of like how both you and I interview.

833
00:50:46.621 --> 00:50:48.421
You don't say much and people just spill it.

834
00:50:48.982 --> 00:50:52.263
And then you can see I'm working things out in their head as they go along.

835
00:50:52.883 --> 00:50:54.663
For me, that's what therapy was.

836
00:50:55.144 --> 00:50:55.944
And it's also...

837
00:50:58.060 --> 00:51:01.532
somebody that can hold you accountable, you know, for different things.

838
00:51:02.920 --> 00:51:10.782
And around that time, you did Ibogaine treatment, which I'm somewhat familiar with just after that time, because I worked in psychedelics for a couple of years.

839
00:51:11.362 --> 00:51:12.022
Well, a year.

840
00:51:12.322 --> 00:51:13.402
You worked with psychedelics?

841
00:51:13.462 --> 00:51:15.023
I worked in psychedelics in the industry.

842
00:51:15.423 --> 00:51:15.783
Oh, okay.

843
00:51:16.023 --> 00:51:23.145
And just when I was between leaving my first company and really starting this podcast, I did a year in working in a psychedelics business.

844
00:51:23.165 --> 00:51:24.025
Interesting.

845
00:51:24.045 --> 00:51:25.265
That was focused on mental health.

846
00:51:25.285 --> 00:51:32.747
So Ibogaine was one of the therapies that I came across and studied and saw the huge efficacy around addiction.

847
00:51:33.407 --> 00:51:35.388
But I've actually never met anybody that did Ibogaine.

848
00:51:36.149 --> 00:51:40.251
But I remember at the time when I was working in psychedelics, they told me that there was this thing called Ibogaine you could take.

849
00:51:40.271 --> 00:51:44.093
It was quite an intense treatment, quite a long treatment.

850
00:51:44.273 --> 00:51:52.058
But there are several cases where people do one dose of Ibogaine in a therapeutic setting and their addiction is cured.

851
00:51:52.978 --> 00:51:53.699
That's what I was told.

852
00:51:53.739 --> 00:51:55.920
And I was like, this is crazy.

853
00:51:57.393 --> 00:51:59.074
And you did Ibogaine, right?

854
00:51:59.234 --> 00:52:00.915
I did Ibogaine, done twice now.

855
00:52:01.215 --> 00:52:03.136
Oh wow.

856
00:52:03.156 --> 00:52:05.377
And yeah, the first time was amazing.

857
00:52:05.717 --> 00:52:10.079
I went down there, actually, that was actually after I'd started the podcast.

858
00:52:10.579 --> 00:52:11.980
I have a feeling we're very similar.

859
00:52:12.000 --> 00:52:14.761
You probably wrap your entire life up into what you're doing.

860
00:52:15.161 --> 00:52:16.222
And we were having

861
00:52:16.882 --> 00:52:24.627
I had a six-month-old at the time, my son, and I wasn't present with him because my mind was always in business.

862
00:52:25.147 --> 00:52:28.769
It's just all I thought about was business, business, business, the podcast, business.

863
00:52:29.029 --> 00:52:37.775
I needed something to slow my mind so that I could be in the moment and actually be present with my wife and with my son.

864
00:52:38.695 --> 00:52:41.597
You know, at the time I had kicked, I kicked a lot of things.

865
00:52:41.877 --> 00:52:44.038
I wasn't drinking hard alcohol anymore.

866
00:52:44.058 --> 00:52:55.484
I was, I mean, I was still on, there was no Coke for a long time before that, but there were still some pharmaceutical meds that I would dabble in, sleeping meds.

867
00:52:56.084 --> 00:52:57.545
But I went down there to be in the moment.

868
00:52:57.565 --> 00:52:58.065
That was it.

869
00:52:58.246 --> 00:53:02.208
Like, like help me compartmentalize or manage business stress.

870
00:53:02.908 --> 00:53:04.850
Because so many opportunities are coming.

871
00:53:04.870 --> 00:53:06.111
And you know the deal.

872
00:53:06.151 --> 00:53:08.833
You feel it's like, do I need to do all these opportunities?

873
00:53:08.873 --> 00:53:11.595
Are these opportunities all good for whatever?

874
00:53:12.556 --> 00:53:14.357
Am I a fool if I turn this down?

875
00:53:15.198 --> 00:53:17.259
And I went down there for that.

876
00:53:17.359 --> 00:53:20.442
And when I came out of it, had no interest in drinking again.

877
00:53:20.462 --> 00:53:22.564
I quit all the sleep medications.

878
00:53:23.324 --> 00:53:24.465
I quit the Adderall.

879
00:53:24.805 --> 00:53:25.626
And it was effortless.

880
00:53:26.267 --> 00:53:27.027
It was effortless.

881
00:53:27.708 --> 00:53:31.130
And I was able to be present with my wife and son.

882
00:53:32.160 --> 00:53:39.946
And where do you find yourself today as it relates to alcohol, the substances we've talked about, and your mental health?

883
00:53:39.986 --> 00:53:40.807
I've never been better.

884
00:53:41.487 --> 00:53:44.289
You know, I haven't had a drop in over four years.

885
00:53:45.731 --> 00:53:47.872
I don't take sleeping medications.

886
00:53:47.952 --> 00:53:49.033
I don't take Adderall.

887
00:53:49.093 --> 00:53:51.355
I don't, I have, I actually have no vices.

888
00:53:52.756 --> 00:53:52.976
None.

889
00:53:54.197 --> 00:53:55.338
And then I went to do it again.

890
00:53:55.358 --> 00:53:59.662
And the next one didn't work out so well for me.

891
00:53:59.702 --> 00:54:00.802
The next Ibogaine journey.

892
00:54:01.083 --> 00:54:01.243
Yeah.

893
00:54:01.263 --> 00:54:01.363
Yeah.

894
00:54:01.930 --> 00:54:02.691
Was this recently?

895
00:54:02.951 --> 00:54:05.714
This was about, I guess about three months ago now.

896
00:54:06.195 --> 00:54:11.000
And this is the one where I saw on your show, you said you think you visited hell.

897
00:54:11.480 --> 00:54:11.761
Yeah.

898
00:54:12.661 --> 00:54:12.922
Yes.

899
00:54:13.522 --> 00:54:14.303
That would be the one.

900
00:54:14.764 --> 00:54:16.325
So for anyone that doesn't know what Ibogaine is...

901
00:54:17.026 --> 00:54:19.047
and what the journey is like.

902
00:54:19.308 --> 00:54:24.491
Is it a drink that you take, and then it's sort of like a 12-hour... For me, it was a pill.

903
00:54:24.631 --> 00:54:25.171
It was a pill.

904
00:54:25.191 --> 00:54:25.551
Yeah.

905
00:54:25.631 --> 00:54:28.113
It's from a group in, I think, Gabon, Africa.

906
00:54:28.133 --> 00:54:29.074
Okay.

907
00:54:29.174 --> 00:54:32.236
Yeah, they say it's the most powerful psychedelic you can do.

908
00:54:33.036 --> 00:54:46.089
And I believe that and then at this particular place you do 5-MAO DMT a day after your Ibogaine journey and it's some extremely powerful stuff.

909
00:54:46.609 --> 00:54:47.430
Has it changed you?

910
00:54:48.431 --> 00:54:49.031
That second?

911
00:54:49.812 --> 00:54:50.153
Yes.

912
00:54:51.434 --> 00:54:52.555
It's changed a lot of things.

913
00:54:55.107 --> 00:54:58.791
I saw you had Dr. Huberman on the other day.

914
00:54:58.812 --> 00:55:03.257
He was talking about his faith and all that stuff, and I'm on my faith journey as well.

915
00:55:04.763 --> 00:55:11.088
But, you know, one thing is when it comes to psychedelics is I've done Ibizgaine twice.

916
00:55:11.168 --> 00:55:14.470
I've done psilocybin a handful of times.

917
00:55:14.530 --> 00:55:16.672
I've done 5-MeO a handful of times.

918
00:55:17.632 --> 00:55:22.295
And I got so much out of the first one, and I had a very healthy respect.

919
00:55:22.376 --> 00:55:23.817
You know, I would really prepare for them.

920
00:55:24.257 --> 00:55:26.799
And then I forced myself to kind of get looser with it.

921
00:55:27.839 --> 00:55:48.452
Uh, because I saw all these other people doing it and, and I would get these answers to things, you know, really tough business decisions or, or something that, you know, might seem really, uh, beneficial to you, but you don't understand why it's happening or you think there might, you think there might be something else behind it.

922
00:55:49.373 --> 00:55:53.736
You know, I would do maybe a psilocybin journey and think on that and, and, and,

923
00:55:54.576 --> 00:55:57.077
it would be like everything became clear.

924
00:55:58.037 --> 00:55:59.278
Like, all of it.

925
00:55:59.758 --> 00:56:03.619
You could see what the motivations are behind the person that wants to do business with you.

926
00:56:04.199 --> 00:56:10.101
You could see the thing over here that's going to happen if you take that step and commit.

927
00:56:10.922 --> 00:56:12.682
Or maybe you see what happens if you don't.

928
00:56:13.082 --> 00:56:13.843
It would be like...

929
00:56:14.763 --> 00:56:16.124
problem solved.

930
00:56:16.304 --> 00:56:22.008
And this has happened multiple times, and not just with business, with family, with relationships, with friends.

931
00:56:22.469 --> 00:56:30.415
You would be able to piece together these super complex problems, and it would make sense.

932
00:56:30.735 --> 00:56:33.076
And I believe it was real.

933
00:56:34.157 --> 00:56:41.423
But also, at the same time, I believe that, and I always say that, I believe that you are potentially...

934
00:56:43.332 --> 00:56:49.758
opening yourself up to a spiritual realm that maybe we should not have access to.

935
00:56:50.659 --> 00:56:53.341
And that's something that I always took very seriously.

936
00:56:53.461 --> 00:56:56.063
Even when I did loosen up, I would always pray before it.

937
00:56:56.264 --> 00:57:03.610
And as my journey through Christianity became stronger and stronger, I would take it more and more seriously, you know, the praying before and during.

938
00:57:05.092 --> 00:57:05.252
And

939
00:57:07.764 --> 00:57:11.806
Which led up to this last one, which was, yeah, I think I saw hell.

940
00:57:12.786 --> 00:57:13.426
I know I did.

941
00:57:13.927 --> 00:57:14.947
You know you saw hell.

942
00:57:15.067 --> 00:57:15.327
Yeah.

943
00:57:15.948 --> 00:57:20.169
Give me some context on how one would know that was hell, and if you can at all.

944
00:57:20.209 --> 00:57:24.411
I know it's difficult to sort of say these things in human words, but what was it?

945
00:57:25.492 --> 00:57:28.533
It was total emptiness.

946
00:57:30.330 --> 00:57:34.193
When I say I saw, I didn't see fire.

947
00:57:35.073 --> 00:57:36.094
I didn't see any of that.

948
00:57:36.474 --> 00:57:40.137
And where I really felt it was in the 5-MEO experience.

949
00:57:40.517 --> 00:57:42.178
And there was nothing.

950
00:57:42.839 --> 00:57:50.004
It was the most amount of fear that I'd ever felt in my life.

951
00:57:50.384 --> 00:57:53.807
It was the most amount of anxiety I'd ever felt in my life.

952
00:57:53.947 --> 00:57:55.268
There was no God.

953
00:57:55.288 --> 00:57:57.549
There was no Christ.

954
00:57:57.669 --> 00:57:58.010
There was...

955
00:58:02.206 --> 00:58:06.171
And it felt like eternity, and this went on for an hour and a half-ish.

956
00:58:08.014 --> 00:58:13.321
It felt like I was going through the most intense exorcism you could ever imagine.

957
00:58:13.421 --> 00:58:14.502
That's what it felt like.

958
00:58:15.263 --> 00:58:15.484
And...

959
00:58:18.862 --> 00:58:24.225
It felt like things were trying to maybe leave, maybe not trying.

960
00:58:24.345 --> 00:58:28.207
Maybe I was trying to get these things out and they wouldn't leave.

961
00:58:29.248 --> 00:58:34.110
But it felt like abandonment.

962
00:58:34.311 --> 00:58:37.632
It's the most horrific feeling you could ever even imagine.

963
00:58:38.013 --> 00:58:43.756
And it was more real than anything I've experienced in real life.

964
00:58:44.476 --> 00:58:45.277
What could you see?

965
00:58:46.503 --> 00:58:48.944
In this specific experience, I couldn't see anything.

966
00:58:48.964 --> 00:58:51.604
I mean, my body was contorted.

967
00:58:51.644 --> 00:58:54.485
It was doing things that the human body shouldn't do.

968
00:58:55.545 --> 00:58:58.746
There was a friend of mine with me.

969
00:58:58.766 --> 00:59:01.266
I told him I didn't want him to come down when I did it.

970
00:59:01.666 --> 00:59:12.609
And I didn't want to talk to anybody for weeks after this, except my wife, a guy that is a spiritual mentor of mine, and some priests.

971
00:59:14.066 --> 00:59:17.849
And, uh, but I, I, so I'd called him several weeks.

972
00:59:18.309 --> 00:59:32.299
He kept checking on me and he said, man, he goes, I know you told me not to go down there, but he goes, when I heard, uh, you down there, he said, I didn't know if you were hurting people.

973
00:59:32.379 --> 00:59:32.860
I didn't know.

974
00:59:33.240 --> 00:59:33.520
I didn't.

975
00:59:33.881 --> 00:59:36.142
He's like, I had, I just felt like I had to check.

976
00:59:36.182 --> 00:59:39.865
And he goes, I peered around the, the, the stairwell.

977
00:59:39.885 --> 00:59:39.945
Um.

978
00:59:41.253 --> 00:59:46.578
He just said, I've never seen a human body doing what you're doing.

979
00:59:47.398 --> 00:59:56.186
And this is a MARSOC GWAT veteran who has seen it all in the Marine Corps.

980
00:59:56.446 --> 00:59:59.528
Has seen a little horrific shit.

981
00:59:59.548 --> 01:00:01.290
It was a really bad experience.

982
01:00:01.971 --> 01:00:03.652
What do you think it was?

983
01:00:04.272 --> 01:00:11.917
Because, you know, people say you had a psychedelic experience, but you think it was something more than just a psychedelic hallucination per se.

984
01:00:12.257 --> 01:00:13.858
Yeah, I think it's what I told you.

985
01:00:13.958 --> 01:00:21.183
I think that when you dabble in psychedelics, there can be benefits.

986
01:00:22.484 --> 01:00:29.448
And I also think that there are, you are opening yourself up to a realm that we were never supposed to have access to.

987
01:00:30.789 --> 01:00:48.258
spiritually and i think that you are naked in a world that you or i or nobody living today truly understands and with that comes

988
01:00:51.838 --> 01:00:53.859
I mean, you're just, you're at a vulnerable point.

989
01:00:54.359 --> 01:00:59.001
Things can access you, and you can access them.

990
01:01:00.121 --> 01:01:04.743
And from what I saw from watching your videos over the last couple of weeks, your life has been different ever since.

991
01:01:06.423 --> 01:01:07.443
It's been different, all right.

992
01:01:07.744 --> 01:01:10.805
It's been dark.

993
01:01:12.005 --> 01:01:12.225
Really?

994
01:01:12.645 --> 01:01:12.885
Yeah.

995
01:01:14.966 --> 01:01:15.486
It gets better.

996
01:01:16.186 --> 01:01:17.487
It's been a lot of,

997
01:01:20.240 --> 01:01:28.767
supernatural things, things that I just, I mean, I can't even believe I'm saying, I talk about some of this stuff, but it is real.

998
01:01:29.227 --> 01:01:37.374
And I don't really care what anybody thinks about me, but it has been supernatural things that have happened.

999
01:01:37.414 --> 01:01:38.595
It has been nightmares.

1000
01:01:38.675 --> 01:01:47.502
It has been very odd coincidences, synchronicities, lots of that kind of stuff.

1001
01:01:49.844 --> 01:01:56.392
What it's all done, it has drawn me much, much, much closer to Christ.

1002
01:01:57.374 --> 01:02:01.278
I heard you describe some supernatural things that were going on in your physical environment.

1003
01:02:02.059 --> 01:02:07.606
But, you know, I think one of the videos I was watching maybe a week ago, you said that things were like falling off the walls in your house.

1004
01:02:08.547 --> 01:02:09.207
Not in my house.

1005
01:02:09.307 --> 01:02:09.827
Not in your house.

1006
01:02:10.208 --> 01:02:10.828
In other places.

1007
01:02:11.748 --> 01:02:13.829
Your use of the word dark is really fascinating to me.

1008
01:02:14.209 --> 01:02:16.010
Is the darkness because of the nightmares?

1009
01:02:16.310 --> 01:02:17.730
Or is it because of your mental state?

1010
01:02:17.790 --> 01:02:18.510
Or is it something else?

1011
01:02:18.530 --> 01:02:20.871
The darkness is because of all of it together.

1012
01:02:20.971 --> 01:02:21.932
So I'll give you a...

1013
01:02:23.272 --> 01:02:26.473
I don't want to talk too long on this, to be honest with you.

1014
01:02:26.513 --> 01:02:29.874
But I'll give you the example of the picture frames coming off the wall.

1015
01:02:30.655 --> 01:02:31.535
So I was in Maine.

1016
01:02:32.987 --> 01:02:34.188
I did a podcast up there.

1017
01:02:35.169 --> 01:02:38.091
And I was at my in-laws house.

1018
01:02:39.052 --> 01:02:48.639
And I had been put on this, I mean it's no secret, I had done some exorcisms now, with two different priests, who've also been spiritual mentors of mine.

1019
01:02:49.460 --> 01:02:57.326
And I went up there and I kept having these nightmares, these reoccurring nightmares, different scenarios, but it would destroy my family.

1020
01:02:57.686 --> 01:02:59.107
I'm sure you've had dreams like this.

1021
01:02:59.127 --> 01:03:02.350
You wake up and it takes you a couple minutes to realize it was just a dream.

1022
01:03:04.276 --> 01:03:05.737
Well, I kept having these.

1023
01:03:07.278 --> 01:03:14.782
And what all this has done has drawn me further into Catholicism.

1024
01:03:14.822 --> 01:03:16.563
I grew up Catholic, fell away from it.

1025
01:03:16.603 --> 01:03:20.785
Now I'm back in because I think they're some of the only ones that have an understanding of this realm.

1026
01:03:22.306 --> 01:03:26.829
And I've been thinking about having this bishop on from the Catholic Church.

1027
01:03:28.390 --> 01:03:32.012
And I had had this dream where

1028
01:03:34.637 --> 01:03:38.091
He kept kind of like, we were about to do the podcast.

1029
01:03:39.392 --> 01:03:49.339
And he kept sending me these cryptic homosexual messages like he wanted to get with me or something.

1030
01:03:49.520 --> 01:03:50.420
This was in my dream.

1031
01:03:51.161 --> 01:03:52.682
And it was just making me furious.

1032
01:03:53.582 --> 01:03:56.184
And it made me hate the Catholic Church.

1033
01:03:57.025 --> 01:03:57.645
Made me hate it.

1034
01:03:58.006 --> 01:03:58.926
I woke up from it.

1035
01:03:59.087 --> 01:04:02.269
I was like, I don't want to be a part of this anymore.

1036
01:04:02.309 --> 01:04:03.990
This is disgusting.

1037
01:04:04.090 --> 01:04:05.071
It was a vivid dream.

1038
01:04:05.651 --> 01:04:06.692
But I never met him in India.

1039
01:04:08.213 --> 01:04:12.657
I still have never met him, but I just kept getting, you know, it was vivid.

1040
01:04:12.797 --> 01:04:17.262
It was like, we're coming here to do the podcast to talk about the Bible.

1041
01:04:17.282 --> 01:04:18.002
So I wake up.

1042
01:04:18.142 --> 01:04:20.825
These priests had put me on this prayer regimen.

1043
01:04:20.885 --> 01:04:22.446
It's called the Libra Christo Method.

1044
01:04:23.007 --> 01:04:27.871
And so you say it at 6 a.m., 12 p.m., 6 p.m.

1045
01:04:28.652 --> 01:04:29.353
So I go out.

1046
01:04:29.473 --> 01:04:33.617
I kind of shake it off, and I'm like, all right, I'm going to go out, and I'm going to start my prayer regimen.

1047
01:04:34.457 --> 01:04:35.939
And so I start the prayer regiment.

1048
01:04:36.879 --> 01:04:40.442
And in the middle of it, I start the St. Michael's Prayer.

1049
01:04:41.183 --> 01:04:42.965
And a picture frame flies off the wall.

1050
01:04:45.106 --> 01:04:46.708
And I'm like, holy shit, all right.

1051
01:04:46.888 --> 01:04:50.090
I just had this weird dream that makes me hate Catholicism.

1052
01:04:51.211 --> 01:04:52.312
Now I'm doing this prayer.

1053
01:04:52.653 --> 01:04:54.594
And this picture frame flies off the wall.

1054
01:04:55.335 --> 01:04:57.797
And then it's Sunday, so then I'm going to Mass.

1055
01:04:58.377 --> 01:04:59.018
So I go to Mass.

1056
01:04:59.038 --> 01:04:59.118
And.

1057
01:05:00.559 --> 01:05:03.442
And I'm with this guy, we'll call him Hendo.

1058
01:05:04.403 --> 01:05:12.090
And he protects me, he protects my family, and he's turned into a spiritual mentor of mine and a good friend.

1059
01:05:12.750 --> 01:05:14.312
And we're going to mass together.

1060
01:05:15.353 --> 01:05:17.395
And I'm telling him about these things that are happening.

1061
01:05:18.896 --> 01:05:22.740
And he knows all the prior stuff, a whole bunch of stuff had happened prior to this too.

1062
01:05:23.677 --> 01:05:27.880
And we get into Mass, and I go and I take communion.

1063
01:05:28.781 --> 01:05:36.046
And immediately after I took communion, I had an allergic reaction, like immediately.

1064
01:05:37.146 --> 01:05:40.268
And so this is all, I think we went to 8 o'clock Mass.

1065
01:05:40.288 --> 01:05:47.653
So this is all within about two hours, from end of the dream to the prayer to now we're at Mass, maybe 7 a.m., I don't know.

1066
01:05:48.194 --> 01:05:49.755
So I go up, I take communion.

1067
01:05:51.895 --> 01:05:52.375
Come back.

1068
01:05:52.495 --> 01:05:53.236
I'm kneeling down.

1069
01:05:53.276 --> 01:05:55.097
My face feels like it's on fire.

1070
01:05:56.078 --> 01:06:00.121
And he looks at me and he's like, what's wrong with you?

1071
01:06:00.721 --> 01:06:04.083
And I'm like, is my face red?

1072
01:06:04.684 --> 01:06:05.504
And he's like, yeah.

1073
01:06:05.584 --> 01:06:10.988
He's like, your veins are like popping out in your forehead and you look like a tomato.

1074
01:06:12.029 --> 01:06:14.350
I'm like, man, my face feels like really hot.

1075
01:06:14.390 --> 01:06:14.931
I'm having a...

1076
01:06:16.132 --> 01:06:18.053
I think I'm having a reaction to communion.

1077
01:06:19.194 --> 01:06:25.921
And I mean, this is like seconds after I, it's not even enough time for an allergic reaction to happen.

1078
01:06:25.961 --> 01:06:27.542
It happened seconds afterwards.

1079
01:06:28.343 --> 01:06:29.904
And so, you know, it's these weird.

1080
01:06:30.345 --> 01:06:35.670
And right before that, I had told him we had, we had got there a little early and I was like, yeah, it's so weird.

1081
01:06:35.710 --> 01:06:37.111
Cause these things seem to happen.

1082
01:06:37.171 --> 01:06:37.832
And like, yeah,

1083
01:06:39.196 --> 01:06:39.976
in sequences.

1084
01:06:41.297 --> 01:06:45.340
And I was like, it's just like one after the next, and then that'll happen for a while.

1085
01:06:45.620 --> 01:06:48.502
And then we went into mass, and bam, there it is.

1086
01:06:50.063 --> 01:06:54.446
That kind of stuff has been happening to me for three months now.

1087
01:06:54.946 --> 01:06:55.567
Ever since that?

1088
01:06:56.447 --> 01:06:57.188
Ever since that.

1089
01:06:57.928 --> 01:07:01.750
I guess the outstanding question I have is, there's this experience you had three months ago.

1090
01:07:01.770 --> 01:07:04.431
There's these experiences you've had thereafter.

1091
01:07:04.771 --> 01:07:08.573
And like, what is, I guess the audience will be thinking, like, what is the conclusion of this?

1092
01:07:09.054 --> 01:07:17.998
It's really interesting because I've done, I've been a huge proponent for the psychedelic community and all the good that it's done.

1093
01:07:18.998 --> 01:07:19.599
But the minute

1094
01:07:20.540 --> 01:07:26.888
you do something and you say something negative about it, pisses everybody off.

1095
01:07:27.308 --> 01:07:32.995
They don't want you to talk about it, how dare you, you know, and it's, there's two sides to it.

1096
01:07:33.436 --> 01:07:35.698
And people need to know that, you know what I mean?

1097
01:07:35.799 --> 01:07:37.280
And make their own decisions, like,

1098
01:07:38.361 --> 01:07:39.242
it's not all good.

1099
01:07:39.562 --> 01:07:42.044
I just proved that.

1100
01:07:42.164 --> 01:07:43.586
And do I know what it is?

1101
01:07:44.286 --> 01:07:44.526
No.

1102
01:07:44.626 --> 01:07:47.008
Do I know for certain that it came from psychedelics?

1103
01:07:47.168 --> 01:07:49.190
I'm not saying that it did come from psychedelics.

1104
01:07:49.790 --> 01:07:51.212
That seemed to be the trigger point.

1105
01:07:51.872 --> 01:08:00.959
But it kind of appears to me like I'm the only one that's willing to talk about both sides because people are really upset that I'm...

1106
01:08:02.606 --> 01:08:04.969
talking about what happened to me, my journey.

1107
01:08:05.369 --> 01:08:14.198
And like I said, I think that it opens you up to a forbidden realm that maybe we shouldn't have access to.

1108
01:08:14.358 --> 01:08:16.501
I mean, a lot of people say, you know, it lifts the veil.

1109
01:08:17.502 --> 01:08:18.763
Yeah, it lifts the veil, all right.

1110
01:08:19.364 --> 01:08:22.727
But maybe we have that veil over us for a reason.

1111
01:08:24.068 --> 01:08:26.229
This is something that I've made for you.

1112
01:08:26.309 --> 01:08:32.591
I've realized that the Diary of a Sio audience are strivers, whether it's in business or health, we all have big goals that we want to accomplish.

1113
01:08:32.931 --> 01:08:44.676
And one of the things I've learned is that when you aim at the big, big, big goal, it can feel incredibly psychologically uncomfortable because it's kind of like being stood at the foot of Mount Everest and looking upwards.

1114
01:08:45.056 --> 01:08:48.297
The way to accomplish your goals is by breaking them down into tiny

1115
01:08:48.317 --> 01:08:49.879
tiny small steps.

1116
01:08:49.979 --> 01:08:51.660
And we call this in our team, the 1%.

1117
01:08:51.720 --> 01:08:56.085
And actually, this philosophy is highly responsible for much of our success here.

1118
01:08:56.265 --> 01:09:02.611
So what we've done so that you at home can accomplish any big goal that you have is we've made these 1% diaries,

1119
01:09:03.572 --> 01:09:05.993
And we released these last year and they all sold out.

1120
01:09:06.273 --> 01:09:12.374
So I asked my team over and over again to bring the diaries back, but also to introduce some new colors and to make some minor tweaks to the diary.

1121
01:09:12.414 --> 01:09:16.816
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1122
01:09:17.056 --> 01:09:26.618
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1123
01:09:26.719 --> 01:09:29.479
And you can get yours at thediary.com.

1124
01:09:29.699 --> 01:09:31.460
And if you want the link, the link is in the description below.

1125
01:09:32.961 --> 01:09:36.085
Subsequently, you've had several exorcisms, which you've talked about over on your show.

1126
01:09:37.087 --> 01:09:38.268
What is an exorcism?

1127
01:09:38.509 --> 01:09:40.832
Because many of us only know a movie called The Exorcist.

1128
01:09:41.493 --> 01:09:43.515
That's the only sort of reference point for an exorcism.

1129
01:09:43.635 --> 01:09:47.841
But from what I understand, it's a priest that does a sort of a process on you.

1130
01:09:48.822 --> 01:09:51.303
with the intent of removing something that is demonic?

1131
01:09:52.284 --> 01:09:53.544
Is that broadly what happens?

1132
01:09:54.204 --> 01:09:54.425
Yeah.

1133
01:09:55.445 --> 01:10:01.087
The movies, you know, are very extreme to compare to, in comparison to what I've been through.

1134
01:10:01.408 --> 01:10:04.229
I didn't, you know, do a backwards spider crawl up a wall or

1135
01:10:05.209 --> 01:10:07.330
or anything even close to that.

1136
01:10:07.730 --> 01:10:12.072
And I don't really want to go too far into it because I'm still in this process.

1137
01:10:12.892 --> 01:10:15.513
To my knowledge, there are two types.

1138
01:10:15.673 --> 01:10:24.276
There are possession, which is where you're not really in control of your body and your mind.

1139
01:10:24.896 --> 01:10:31.298
And then there is oppression, which is things start happening around you.

1140
01:10:31.918 --> 01:10:33.059
And it could be...

1141
01:10:35.010 --> 01:10:36.491
all the things that we just talked about.

1142
01:10:36.731 --> 01:10:37.912
It could be financial.

1143
01:10:38.093 --> 01:10:38.953
It could be health.

1144
01:10:39.274 --> 01:10:41.816
It could be trying to destroy your family.

1145
01:10:42.256 --> 01:10:43.977
It could be trying to destroy your faith.

1146
01:10:44.137 --> 01:10:51.403
It could be all of that, you know, but it's not, but you're still in control of your mind and your body.

1147
01:10:52.064 --> 01:11:01.852
And so from the, from the, the, the priests that I've talked to, they all think that it is oppression, oppression, not possession.

1148
01:11:03.283 --> 01:11:03.843
What is it?

1149
01:11:04.043 --> 01:11:07.445
I mean, it's a series of prayers.

1150
01:11:08.045 --> 01:11:09.466
They try to figure out what it is.

1151
01:11:09.526 --> 01:11:12.187
I don't know exactly everything that they're doing.

1152
01:11:12.267 --> 01:11:13.768
Some of them have been done in Latin.

1153
01:11:14.788 --> 01:11:16.229
Some of them have been done in English.

1154
01:11:16.829 --> 01:11:29.195
One of the commonalities seemed to be, hey, we're gonna do a series of these and we'll wanna see if we get any reactions to certain prayers or certain parts of prayers.

1155
01:11:29.855 --> 01:11:39.084
And if we do see a reaction to a certain part, then we can eliminate certain things and kind of dial in on what we think exactly is going on.

1156
01:11:39.724 --> 01:11:42.347
And you are right in the middle of this at the moment.

1157
01:11:43.550 --> 01:11:43.790
Yeah.

1158
01:11:44.691 --> 01:11:46.992
How has it been for your family, for KT?

1159
01:11:47.872 --> 01:11:49.273
I mean, it's been rough.

1160
01:11:49.493 --> 01:11:49.753
Brilliant.

1161
01:11:50.153 --> 01:11:50.413
Yeah.

1162
01:11:50.653 --> 01:11:57.537
I mean, imagine coming home to your wife and kids and saying, you know, just being honest.

1163
01:11:57.557 --> 01:11:59.518
I just got done with my...

1164
01:12:00.458 --> 01:12:01.719
Fifth exorcism today.

1165
01:12:02.079 --> 01:12:02.419
Yeah.

1166
01:12:02.559 --> 01:12:04.940
And then thinking about the things that are going through their head.

1167
01:12:05.200 --> 01:12:07.962
Because, you know, you think about, you know, what goes through your head?

1168
01:12:08.002 --> 01:12:09.383
Exactly what you said, the movies.

1169
01:12:09.943 --> 01:12:13.084
You know, what is he, what, like, is he in control of his own mind?

1170
01:12:13.144 --> 01:12:14.005
What is going to happen?

1171
01:12:14.105 --> 01:12:15.506
And then I have the same questions.

1172
01:12:16.186 --> 01:12:17.347
How bad is this going to get?

1173
01:12:17.787 --> 01:12:18.767
What's going to happen next?

1174
01:12:18.827 --> 01:12:21.168
Is this, is this, is this ever going to go away?

1175
01:12:21.469 --> 01:12:23.950
Is this just mine to carry for the rest of my life?

1176
01:12:25.164 --> 01:12:26.145
What does my wife think?

1177
01:12:26.805 --> 01:12:29.247
What does she think when she goes to bed next to me every night?

1178
01:12:29.808 --> 01:12:32.650
Does she think I'm a crazy person?

1179
01:12:34.331 --> 01:12:39.495
I was just imagining my fiancée, she actually, I think it's probably one of the first times she's ever been here, but she just happens to be here today.

1180
01:12:40.016 --> 01:12:44.880
She's in one of the other rooms, and I was just thinking, I was imagining coming home and saying that she is very spiritual.

1181
01:12:45.220 --> 01:12:46.781
She's very religious as well.

1182
01:12:46.821 --> 01:12:48.763
So I imagine she might pray for me.

1183
01:12:50.804 --> 01:12:52.626
I imagine she'd want to pray for me.

1184
01:12:53.106 --> 01:12:53.327
Mm-hmm.

1185
01:12:54.304 --> 01:12:56.707
Well, then you have an amazing woman, and so do I.

1186
01:12:57.048 --> 01:12:59.250
And she's been with me every step of the way.

1187
01:13:00.151 --> 01:13:02.274
She's been there for some of them.

1188
01:13:02.374 --> 01:13:05.338
She's seen some of the things happen, but it's been tough.

1189
01:13:05.618 --> 01:13:06.520
It's been really tough.

1190
01:13:06.940 --> 01:13:10.204
And you know what's interesting, too, is when I started talking about this,

1191
01:13:11.746 --> 01:13:14.448
You feel like you're alone and you're crazy.

1192
01:13:14.888 --> 01:13:17.611
And I never really have cared what other people think about me.

1193
01:13:17.931 --> 01:13:22.014
But this is pretty personal stuff.

1194
01:13:22.114 --> 01:13:25.077
But especially with the psychedelics thing, I had...

1195
01:13:26.658 --> 01:13:39.566
And extremely influential military figures, SEALs, SF guys, Delta, like all these guys have reached out and said, man, I thought I was the only one that had that kind of an experience.

1196
01:13:40.207 --> 01:13:43.749
And they're telling me how brave I am for talking about it, you know, but.

1197
01:13:46.825 --> 01:13:51.368
I guess what I'm saying is I'm not the only one, you know, that this stuff happens to.

1198
01:13:51.568 --> 01:13:54.390
I guess I'm just the only one that decided to articulate it.

1199
01:13:55.211 --> 01:13:55.751
How are you?

1200
01:13:57.092 --> 01:13:57.432
I'm good.

1201
01:13:58.033 --> 01:13:58.833
Yeah?

1202
01:13:59.033 --> 01:14:00.174
Yeah.

1203
01:14:00.314 --> 01:14:02.656
I was going, you know, there is a positive to all of this.

1204
01:14:02.736 --> 01:14:02.976
And...

1205
01:14:04.857 --> 01:14:08.499
You know, for me, are you a Christian?

1206
01:14:09.240 --> 01:14:10.140
It's a good question.

1207
01:14:10.600 --> 01:14:13.102
I was raised Christian in a very, very Christian household.

1208
01:14:13.582 --> 01:14:16.584
So, you know, to some degree, it's somewhat in your bones.

1209
01:14:17.044 --> 01:14:19.886
I think at like 18, 19, I started having lots of questions.

1210
01:14:20.186 --> 01:14:23.408
And then I became, I was one of those people in the sort of new atheist movement, they called it.

1211
01:14:23.448 --> 01:14:25.589
I got really interested in reading all the like Richard Dawkins books.

1212
01:14:26.410 --> 01:14:29.732
And I went through that phase where I just wanted to argue with everybody because I was trying to form my own opinion.

1213
01:14:30.552 --> 01:14:32.535
And I came out of that and stopped caring.

1214
01:14:33.076 --> 01:14:39.046
And now I find myself in a place that I would describe as agnostic, but curious.

1215
01:14:39.827 --> 01:14:44.574
And that curiosity, I think maybe from doing this podcast, frankly, and interviewing some of the people that I have, has...

1216
01:14:46.056 --> 01:14:46.977
has continued to develop.

1217
01:14:46.997 --> 01:14:54.686
So I find myself in a place where I think it would be extremely arrogant for me to say that I didn't think there was something more.

1218
01:14:55.107 --> 01:14:58.030
But I couldn't say what it was.

1219
01:14:58.450 --> 01:15:03.896
I couldn't define it like some people are able to define it, like the Christian apologists, like Wes Huff can define it.

1220
01:15:04.057 --> 01:15:05.658
I can't define what that means for me.

1221
01:15:06.379 --> 01:15:11.644
Well, don't you think it's interesting that all these people keep coming on your podcast and bringing this stuff up?

1222
01:15:11.864 --> 01:15:15.948
People that maybe you would never expect, like your most recent one.

1223
01:15:16.168 --> 01:15:16.709
Andrew Huberman?

1224
01:15:16.949 --> 01:15:17.169
Yeah.

1225
01:15:17.289 --> 01:15:18.210
No, it is fascinating.

1226
01:15:18.410 --> 01:15:19.331
It is truly fascinating.

1227
01:15:19.371 --> 01:15:20.712
That's what started happening to me.

1228
01:15:21.733 --> 01:15:22.434
Oh, on your show?

1229
01:15:22.594 --> 01:15:23.435
Yeah.

1230
01:15:23.455 --> 01:15:25.937
That's where the seed was planted.

1231
01:15:25.997 --> 01:15:31.442
I grew up, like I said, I grew up Catholic, but that's what started happening to me is all these people started coming on and they would...

1232
01:15:33.135 --> 01:15:37.977
And it was fascinating to me to hear their journey, but I didn't, you know, I was like you on the fence.

1233
01:15:38.458 --> 01:15:40.198
You got baptized quite recently.

1234
01:15:40.639 --> 01:15:40.939
Yeah.

1235
01:15:41.159 --> 01:15:42.159
I can't remember what year.

1236
01:15:42.179 --> 01:15:43.580
2024, I think it was.

1237
01:15:44.020 --> 01:15:44.661
Yeah, on Easter.

1238
01:15:44.961 --> 01:15:45.141
Yeah.

1239
01:15:45.401 --> 01:15:47.042
It's just funny, you know, how it works.

1240
01:15:47.362 --> 01:15:51.244
But so where I was going, you know, with all this stuff that's happening and –

1241
01:15:53.465 --> 01:15:55.086
And it's scary.

1242
01:15:55.146 --> 01:15:57.428
But it gets less scary and less scary.

1243
01:15:57.848 --> 01:16:11.776
And, you know, what it is doing is it's strengthening my faith and my wife's faith in Christ because the things that are happening are just undeniable.

1244
01:16:12.897 --> 01:16:17.380
You said to Tucker Carlson in July, I'm going through a crazy spiritual transformation right now.

1245
01:16:19.665 --> 01:16:28.310
It must be somewhat difficult to share this with the world, you know, for lots of different reasons, because it's a subjective experience.

1246
01:16:29.391 --> 01:16:32.013
So to sort of communicate that publicly...

1247
01:16:33.601 --> 01:16:38.744
I could see as you were explaining it, like you're well aware that people will think it's like, it's, what's he talking about?

1248
01:16:38.824 --> 01:16:39.725
Or some, whatever.

1249
01:16:39.765 --> 01:16:46.729
Like when you deliver your truth, you also acknowledge as you're saying it, some people will think I'm just saying, but you just have to take my word for it.

1250
01:16:47.290 --> 01:16:49.371
So it's not easy to make that decision to share it.

1251
01:16:49.431 --> 01:16:50.772
What inspired that?

1252
01:16:51.472 --> 01:16:56.715
What inspired your decision to come out and tell your audience very publicly that you're going through this?

1253
01:16:57.456 --> 01:16:58.196
A couple of reasons.

1254
01:16:58.696 --> 01:16:59.497
One is...

1255
01:17:01.633 --> 01:17:09.334
We get access to a lot of people that nobody gets access to, you know, and we get a lot of time with them.

1256
01:17:11.795 --> 01:17:13.455
I ask them on my podcast.

1257
01:17:13.535 --> 01:17:19.017
I just ask the questions, you know, that I'm genuinely curious and for myself.

1258
01:17:19.897 --> 01:17:29.239
And on top of that, I feel like it's kind of maybe my responsibility or maybe I'm supposed to do that, you know, because I do have one of the biggest podcasts in the world.

1259
01:17:30.099 --> 01:17:34.500
And I'm just a normal guy, and I think a lot of people realize that about me.

1260
01:17:34.720 --> 01:17:38.781
And because I get the access to the people that I get access to, you know,

1261
01:17:40.201 --> 01:17:42.423
I think it's important that I ask those kind of questions.

1262
01:17:42.963 --> 01:17:55.090
You know, one thing that came out of this, you know, for me is I just, I've never, some of these things, some of these supernatural type things happened the night before I had Cardinal Burke on.

1263
01:17:55.170 --> 01:17:55.670
And he is?

1264
01:17:56.251 --> 01:17:57.772
Very high up in the Catholic Church.

1265
01:17:58.512 --> 01:18:05.479
And so one thing I decided I wanted to do is because I got way more involved in politics than I wanted to be.

1266
01:18:06.400 --> 01:18:10.385
And now I think pretty much all of them are just lying pieces of shit.

1267
01:18:11.125 --> 01:18:12.627
And so I don't really want to do it anymore.

1268
01:18:12.667 --> 01:18:15.930
Well, that leaves a huge gap in my content.

1269
01:18:16.251 --> 01:18:16.411
Yeah.

1270
01:18:16.718 --> 01:18:21.001
And I'm not saying I will never do it again, but it's unlikely.

1271
01:18:21.962 --> 01:18:29.228
So now I have this gap that's opened, and I am obviously very interested in Christianity now.

1272
01:18:29.288 --> 01:18:35.512
And I've read maybe half the Bible, maybe a little bit more, understand maybe 5%, 10% of what I've read.

1273
01:18:36.093 --> 01:18:42.858
So what I want to do is, you know, just like I was saying, I think I'm supposed to ask these questions, and I get access to people that—

1274
01:18:45.185 --> 01:18:46.525
almost nobody gets access to.

1275
01:18:46.566 --> 01:18:53.308
And so I want to do a, a series breaking down every single book in the Bible on my podcast.

1276
01:18:53.648 --> 01:18:56.469
And it'll take several years, you know, to get through it all.

1277
01:18:56.629 --> 01:19:05.592
But right when we kicked it off with Cardinal Burke, the night before all these wild,

1278
01:19:08.057 --> 01:19:11.841
supernatural things, you know, started happening the night before.

1279
01:19:11.921 --> 01:19:15.184
And so to me, that's a sign like, yeah, I am supposed to be doing this.

1280
01:19:15.764 --> 01:19:17.806
Were those the supernatural things we talked about before?

1281
01:19:17.966 --> 01:19:19.768
Or is this lots of other different set?

1282
01:19:20.048 --> 01:19:20.629
The timing.

1283
01:19:21.449 --> 01:19:22.810
You cannot make the timing up.

1284
01:19:23.291 --> 01:19:27.395
And have supernatural things ever happened to you before that experience you had three months ago?

1285
01:19:27.415 --> 01:19:30.157
Not like that.

1286
01:19:30.317 --> 01:19:30.758
Not like this.

1287
01:19:31.078 --> 01:19:34.161
This is the spiritual realm playing out in real time.

1288
01:19:35.675 --> 01:19:39.317
A battle over my soul.

1289
01:19:39.877 --> 01:19:40.878
A battle over your soul?

1290
01:19:41.118 --> 01:19:41.338
Yeah.

1291
01:19:42.298 --> 01:19:50.423
And this is why you have to pray several times a day, is to, I'm assuming, to reinforce which side of that battle is winning?

1292
01:19:51.203 --> 01:19:55.525
It is to release oppression.

1293
01:19:56.005 --> 01:19:59.387
And you don't know how long you're going to have to do that for or how long this is going to take?

1294
01:19:59.687 --> 01:20:00.248
No idea.

1295
01:20:00.348 --> 01:20:00.528
Really?

1296
01:20:00.548 --> 01:20:00.648
Yeah.

1297
01:20:01.967 --> 01:20:05.590
Do you know when you'll know that it's that battle for your soul has been won?

1298
01:20:06.050 --> 01:20:08.532
All I'm told is that you will just, you'll know.

1299
01:20:08.793 --> 01:20:09.353
You will know.

1300
01:20:09.673 --> 01:20:12.055
It will be very apparent.

1301
01:20:14.257 --> 01:20:15.738
Is it difficult to be you right now?

1302
01:20:17.480 --> 01:20:18.841
Yeah.

1303
01:20:18.861 --> 01:20:20.963
I know what this is for me.

1304
01:20:23.198 --> 01:20:28.161
And now that I know what it is now, you know, we were talking about responsibility earlier.

1305
01:20:28.461 --> 01:20:32.424
Now that I know what this is, this is a battle between good and evil.

1306
01:20:32.984 --> 01:20:35.085
Now I I'm no longer on the fence.

1307
01:20:35.105 --> 01:20:36.606
I can't pretend that I don't know.

1308
01:20:36.746 --> 01:20:44.391
So, for example, I've already had advertisers who have been with me for years.

1309
01:20:45.591 --> 01:20:51.675
We just had a meeting on how to deepen the relationship with this one particular advertiser because they've been with me for so long.

1310
01:20:52.675 --> 01:20:56.837
And they just canceled because they don't advertise on faith-based content.

1311
01:20:58.278 --> 01:21:10.565
This is a life insurance company who wants to get to people who give a shit about their wife and their kids so that if something goes wrong, their wife and kids are taken care of.

1312
01:21:11.065 --> 01:21:11.785
Now, I'm sorry.

1313
01:21:12.426 --> 01:21:14.687
What fucking audience are you trying to reach?

1314
01:21:15.880 --> 01:21:29.009
People that give a shit about their families and you don't want to advertise on faith-based content, they are maybe the only ones that put family at the very top of the priority list.

1315
01:21:29.509 --> 01:21:33.572
And you're going to cancel when I get farther into that?

1316
01:21:34.393 --> 01:21:35.714
How do you feel about that decision?

1317
01:21:35.734 --> 01:21:36.454
What do you think that is?

1318
01:21:36.974 --> 01:21:40.437
I think it is an influence to try to get me to not talk about it.

1319
01:21:41.357 --> 01:21:44.800
Just like the series of events that happened the night before I had Cardinal Burke on.

1320
01:21:45.178 --> 01:21:46.659
You think it's part of the battle for yourself?

1321
01:21:47.019 --> 01:21:52.703
I think that my platform, as well as yours, has a lot of power.

1322
01:21:54.444 --> 01:22:05.912
And when you have the ability to reach more people than you and I could ever count in a lifetime, and you're leading people to that book,

1323
01:22:08.258 --> 01:22:10.279
It pisses a lot of entities off.

1324
01:22:10.339 --> 01:22:11.800
It pisses a lot of people off.

1325
01:22:12.480 --> 01:22:14.041
There's no more pretending for me.

1326
01:22:14.402 --> 01:22:15.682
Like, I know what this is.

1327
01:22:16.303 --> 01:22:20.885
So I have to make a decision, you know, because I do believe in heaven and hell.

1328
01:22:21.406 --> 01:22:27.869
And so if I say, we can't do the Bible series anymore because we're going to lose advertisers.

1329
01:22:31.351 --> 01:22:33.993
I can't take any of that money with me after this is over anyways.

1330
01:22:34.013 --> 01:22:34.273
Because...

1331
01:22:36.518 --> 01:22:36.978
It sucks.

1332
01:22:37.159 --> 01:22:37.819
I have goals.

1333
01:22:38.720 --> 01:22:39.861
I'm sure you have goals.

1334
01:22:42.163 --> 01:22:46.167
I think me and you have both probably seen a pattern in the guests we've interviewed.

1335
01:22:46.187 --> 01:22:47.508
You focused a lot on life stories.

1336
01:22:47.908 --> 01:22:52.212
One of the remarkable things I noticed in the life stories often when I'm asked, like, what is the pattern of these successful people?

1337
01:22:52.713 --> 01:22:59.118
I always cite that in their stories, there is a moment when they made a decision that was against their near-term incentives.

1338
01:22:59.879 --> 01:23:02.921
And often, I mean, this could be, you know, I think about Jimmy Carr.

1339
01:23:02.981 --> 01:23:07.704
He had a great job and he went to do jokes in pubs for like five or ten years and got paid nothing for it.

1340
01:23:07.764 --> 01:23:14.648
Or Darren Brown, one of the world's great illusionists who had a great job, but went and did card tables in Bristol for ten years because that was his thing.

1341
01:23:14.989 --> 01:23:19.732
You look at these moments in their life, you go, only an idiot would have done that at that moment.

1342
01:23:20.292 --> 01:23:24.575
But consistently what it leads to is a better place.

1343
01:23:25.283 --> 01:23:36.813
And I think when you were saying, you know, there's a short-term sacrifice potentially to pursue living more in alignment, I don't know, the conversations I've had is every great person that I've interviewed has got that in their story, sometimes several times.

1344
01:23:37.434 --> 01:23:45.380
They've all walked away from something that other sane humans might not have because of the strength of the incentive in the pursuit of alignment with themselves.

1345
01:23:45.821 --> 01:23:52.306
Yes, there's some near-term turbulence, but consistently, like living out of alignment is, I think, a much...

1346
01:23:53.267 --> 01:23:55.008
worst long-term place to be.

1347
01:23:55.969 --> 01:23:56.609
I think you're right.

1348
01:23:56.629 --> 01:23:57.170
Do you know what I mean?

1349
01:23:57.210 --> 01:23:59.371
We kind of talked about it even with booking guests on the podcast.

1350
01:23:59.451 --> 01:24:07.637
Yeah, I could have, insert, famous celebrity person on, but then I'm incrementally swaying away from my alignment.

1351
01:24:08.537 --> 01:24:10.819
And in the near term, I might get a couple more subs.

1352
01:24:11.739 --> 01:24:13.300
But over the long term, I have a life I hate.

1353
01:24:13.781 --> 01:24:14.241
Exactly.

1354
01:24:14.581 --> 01:24:15.122
You know?

1355
01:24:16.082 --> 01:24:16.543
Exactly.

1356
01:24:17.003 --> 01:24:18.084
You become part of the herd.

1357
01:24:18.364 --> 01:24:19.605
It's easy to be part of the herd.

1358
01:24:20.385 --> 01:24:21.105
What is your goal now?

1359
01:24:21.925 --> 01:24:25.646
Is there a central goal that you sort of orientate yourself towards?

1360
01:24:25.966 --> 01:24:26.827
In podcasting?

1361
01:24:26.887 --> 01:24:28.467
In podcasting with your businesses.

1362
01:24:28.907 --> 01:24:31.528
In podcasting, you know, I think it's a couple of things.

1363
01:24:31.548 --> 01:24:34.028
I think it's, you know, we already talked about this.

1364
01:24:34.368 --> 01:24:34.888
The Bible, yeah.

1365
01:24:35.048 --> 01:24:41.270
But I think that, you know, your team actually sent me a similar question before we got here.

1366
01:24:41.930 --> 01:24:46.451
And I thought a lot about it, you know, because it always changes.

1367
01:24:51.012 --> 01:24:51.632
in my show.

1368
01:24:52.093 --> 01:24:56.034
And I just don't want people to be afraid to ask questions.

1369
01:24:57.514 --> 01:25:01.195
And I don't want people to be so tribal.

1370
01:25:01.215 --> 01:25:05.956
I have a pretty open mind, you know, regardless of what people think about me.

1371
01:25:05.996 --> 01:25:06.797
I'll talk to both.

1372
01:25:06.817 --> 01:25:11.738
So I've had broke hot on several times and Cenk Uygur is a friend of mine, you know,

1373
01:25:12.467 --> 01:25:13.867
Tucker Carlson's a friend of mine.

1374
01:25:14.128 --> 01:25:17.389
And so I'm open to all ideas.

1375
01:25:17.729 --> 01:25:19.449
I'm able to say I've made a mistake.

1376
01:25:19.529 --> 01:25:23.270
I'm able to hold myself accountable, you know, for things.

1377
01:25:23.430 --> 01:25:31.453
And I've publicly made statements saying that I've messed up, saying that I've put out misinformation unknowingly, you know.

1378
01:25:31.653 --> 01:25:36.694
And I have to correct the record because I just I really pride myself on integrity.

1379
01:25:37.435 --> 01:25:38.235
And we don't see.

1380
01:25:39.955 --> 01:25:42.317
Very many people left holding themselves accountable.

1381
01:25:42.397 --> 01:25:50.585
And so, you know, through my show, I want to show that you can ask questions and take a stand for what you believe in.

1382
01:25:50.605 --> 01:25:56.030
And maybe the repercussions that you have come up with in your head.

1383
01:25:56.610 --> 01:26:01.234
aren't going to be near as severe as what you might think they're going to be.

1384
01:26:02.054 --> 01:26:07.999
You know, they say courage is contagious, and I think that this country needs, I think the people in this country need courage.

1385
01:26:08.019 --> 01:26:15.625
And so I want to show, like, you can, like, talk about these things and ask questions, and it's going to be okay, man.

1386
01:26:16.726 --> 01:26:17.707
It's going to be just fine.

1387
01:26:18.427 --> 01:26:25.511
Yeah, you might get a little bit of hate, but like I'm still here and I've covered some of the most controversial shit on the planet.

1388
01:26:26.172 --> 01:26:27.633
You know, I think that's really important.

1389
01:26:28.153 --> 01:26:30.535
And what does a good life mean to you these days?

1390
01:26:31.955 --> 01:26:33.637
A good life to me is just...

1391
01:26:36.659 --> 01:26:38.640
create memories with my wife and kids.

1392
01:26:39.261 --> 01:26:42.383
I think we're both in very good financial situations.

1393
01:26:43.664 --> 01:26:48.468
And I don't know where you came from, but I didn't come from money.

1394
01:26:49.589 --> 01:26:55.714
And what I've realized is you hear it and nobody's going to believe me when I say it, but...

1395
01:26:57.096 --> 01:26:59.898
You just can't buy peace and you can't buy happiness.

1396
01:27:00.959 --> 01:27:05.043
You have to create it yourself and you're not going to create it with money.

1397
01:27:06.184 --> 01:27:11.970
Yep, it will take some financial stress off, but it brings a whole other side of stress.

1398
01:27:12.270 --> 01:27:15.533
And so you have to do what you love.

1399
01:27:15.553 --> 01:27:15.653
Yeah.

1400
01:27:16.634 --> 01:27:25.923
And you have to live in the moment as much as you can and create as many memories with the people that you love as possible.

1401
01:27:26.343 --> 01:27:32.609
And, you know, so it's made me, I wouldn't say back off my business because I'm a workaholic.

1402
01:27:32.970 --> 01:27:37.094
I know you are too, but you have to work smarter and look for the power plays.

1403
01:27:38.235 --> 01:27:47.042
And sometimes no is the best business decision you could make, not because it was a bad deal, because it wasn't the right deal.

1404
01:27:47.062 --> 01:27:48.163
Does that make sense?

1405
01:27:48.403 --> 01:27:49.344
Smarter decisions.

1406
01:27:49.564 --> 01:27:58.232
It's something, a narrative that I hear from fathers and mothers much more than anybody else, because now they really do have to think deeply about priorities.

1407
01:27:58.252 --> 01:27:59.793
Yeah.

1408
01:27:59.913 --> 01:28:01.716
Whereas, you know, I'm yet to have children.

1409
01:28:01.736 --> 01:28:03.680
I hope I will have children soon.

1410
01:28:03.900 --> 01:28:10.653
But right now, my life is probably a little bit more selfish in that regard than yours is.

1411
01:28:12.054 --> 01:28:16.495
Because the competition for my time is my business and then, you know, my partner, my fiance.

1412
01:28:16.695 --> 01:28:17.875
But you love your business.

1413
01:28:17.955 --> 01:28:18.395
I love it.

1414
01:28:18.415 --> 01:28:20.136
There's nothing else you'd rather be doing.

1415
01:28:20.376 --> 01:28:23.617
So for whatever it's worth, I think you're doing the right time.

1416
01:28:24.217 --> 01:28:24.777
The right thing.

1417
01:28:24.797 --> 01:28:26.557
The time for you to build is now.

1418
01:28:27.158 --> 01:28:37.900
Because when you do have kids and you do realize how fast they grow and you look, you know, when your kid's born and then six months you look back and you're like, holy shit.

1419
01:28:37.940 --> 01:28:38.460
Like this.

1420
01:28:39.520 --> 01:28:41.361
He was this big and now he's this big.

1421
01:28:42.281 --> 01:28:45.304
And now he's this big five years later.

1422
01:28:45.344 --> 01:28:48.887
And you're like, I mean, it makes me tear up right now.

1423
01:28:48.947 --> 01:28:50.768
It's like, where did it go?

1424
01:28:50.848 --> 01:28:51.909
Where did the time go?

1425
01:28:53.431 --> 01:28:54.291
So build, man.

1426
01:28:54.492 --> 01:28:56.313
Build it as big as you can get it right now.

1427
01:28:57.174 --> 01:28:58.255
Look for the smart deals.

1428
01:28:58.355 --> 01:29:03.499
And then I hope, you know, I hope you do get the opportunity to raise kids.

1429
01:29:04.360 --> 01:29:06.121
But business can destroy a family.

1430
01:29:07.002 --> 01:29:08.063
You got to be careful of that.

1431
01:29:09.382 --> 01:29:10.663
Why is that the warning that you give me?

1432
01:29:11.804 --> 01:29:12.705
Is that from experience?

1433
01:29:14.987 --> 01:29:19.351
And what you said, you almost tear up thinking about the speed of growth of your son.

1434
01:29:20.752 --> 01:29:21.032
Why?

1435
01:29:21.533 --> 01:29:22.834
You only get one shot at this.

1436
01:29:24.495 --> 01:29:25.716
You're everything to them.

1437
01:29:27.038 --> 01:29:33.103
And if you're not there, somebody else will be everything to them.

1438
01:29:36.632 --> 01:29:37.693
Where is this coming from, Sean?

1439
01:29:38.353 --> 01:29:39.513
You can see it sometimes.

1440
01:29:41.174 --> 01:29:41.735
It's a battle.

1441
01:29:41.875 --> 01:29:44.276
I mean, it's a battle, you know, for me.

1442
01:29:49.278 --> 01:29:56.362
And so the time, you know, it's always, you know, you hear people complain about it and try to find it all the time.

1443
01:29:56.402 --> 01:29:57.562
What is the right balance?

1444
01:29:57.582 --> 01:29:58.823
How do you do the balance?

1445
01:30:02.585 --> 01:30:03.005
I don't know.

1446
01:30:05.578 --> 01:30:13.916
I do the best I can to figure it out, but... You...

1447
01:30:20.220 --> 01:30:36.552
you can see how much time they want to spend with you and, and all the phone calls and all the business deals and, you know, the, the shit that seems so important because it's going to put you at the next level, you know, and you're probably like me, your team's like, Holy shit.

1448
01:30:36.872 --> 01:30:41.175
Steven's got to pivot and we got to get the shit done by in 12 hours, you know?

1449
01:30:42.016 --> 01:30:44.398
And it's those kinds of phone calls, you know, like, Hey, we,

1450
01:30:45.058 --> 01:30:45.919
This guy went on this.

1451
01:30:45.959 --> 01:30:48.200
We're going to shift this podcast to this day.

1452
01:30:48.220 --> 01:30:48.961
Put this one in.

1453
01:30:49.001 --> 01:30:49.621
This thing hit.

1454
01:30:49.641 --> 01:30:51.202
You know, it's a chessboard.

1455
01:30:51.763 --> 01:30:54.305
You know what I mean?

1456
01:30:54.505 --> 01:31:00.169
And that's a 24-hour-a-day business to be the best.

1457
01:31:02.090 --> 01:31:03.311
You're always switched on.

1458
01:31:03.831 --> 01:31:06.453
Even when you're not trying to be switched on, you're switched on.

1459
01:31:06.973 --> 01:31:09.575
Pistons are firing in your brain all the fucking time.

1460
01:31:11.557 --> 01:31:13.498
And you got your two-year-old over here that just wants to,

1461
01:31:15.992 --> 01:31:20.395
play trains with you and you can't get in the, you can't get in the mode.

1462
01:31:20.435 --> 01:31:28.880
You can, you can, you can sit there and push a toy train around, but they know when you're there and when you're not there.

1463
01:31:31.342 --> 01:31:32.743
Have you got regrets in this regard?

1464
01:31:34.184 --> 01:31:35.304
Or is it, was, is it guilt?

1465
01:31:35.324 --> 01:31:35.685
What is it?

1466
01:31:35.705 --> 01:31:36.445
What is the emotion?

1467
01:31:37.025 --> 01:31:37.806
Yeah, there's some guilt.

1468
01:31:39.027 --> 01:31:40.848
With that being said, I'm, I'm, I am,

1469
01:31:41.912 --> 01:31:45.553
You know, I'm very close with my kids, but I could be closer.

1470
01:31:46.333 --> 01:31:47.914
And that really matters to you, doesn't it?

1471
01:31:48.854 --> 01:31:52.335
It takes a lot for me to leave home, to come do stuff like this.

1472
01:31:56.516 --> 01:31:57.816
Incredibly admirable, you know?

1473
01:31:59.096 --> 01:32:04.738
And... Dare I say, that even...

1474
01:32:06.958 --> 01:32:20.465
I think about all the gifts my parents gave me by demonstrating the values of work and striving and overcoming.

1475
01:32:21.105 --> 01:32:31.271
And I think generally, some of the gifts that I look back on as a young kid, but we didn't come from money, some of the things that I'm most thankful to my parents of is just, it's nothing they said.

1476
01:32:31.751 --> 01:32:33.452
It's not that they pushed the trains around with me.

1477
01:32:34.172 --> 01:32:39.775
It's like the fundamental lessons they gave me about life, by vicariously watching how they conducted themselves.

1478
01:32:39.795 --> 01:32:45.378
And one of the things I think about with my mum is just like, she never complained.

1479
01:32:45.418 --> 01:32:50.902
She just worked all the time for us, to make sure that we were good.

1480
01:32:51.602 --> 01:32:55.404
And to the point that at one point she started sleeping on this bag of rice in the back of her little corner shop.

1481
01:32:56.044 --> 01:32:56.605
And she...

1482
01:32:58.213 --> 01:32:59.113
she never complained.

1483
01:32:59.213 --> 01:33:02.994
And through that, she taught me the lesson of like hard work and striving.

1484
01:33:03.294 --> 01:33:13.617
And there's no possibility that I'd be sat here now with a life that I love, doing something that I love, with a perspective that has been helpful for me in terms of dealing with hardship and all those things.

1485
01:33:13.977 --> 01:33:18.118
If I hadn't watched her through her absence, teach me this lesson.

1486
01:33:18.158 --> 01:33:20.599
So I sometimes, you know, all I say that to say that,

1487
01:33:22.698 --> 01:33:24.682
The nature of the absence, I think, also matters.

1488
01:33:25.683 --> 01:33:25.924
You know?

1489
01:33:25.944 --> 01:33:28.789
Because that's going to be the story, I think, for a lot of us.

1490
01:33:28.809 --> 01:33:29.650
It was the story for me.

1491
01:33:29.670 --> 01:33:30.852
It's like, where was my mum?

1492
01:33:30.912 --> 01:33:33.317
My mum and my dad, they were out working for me.

1493
01:33:33.857 --> 01:33:34.078
Mm-hmm.

1494
01:33:35.680 --> 01:33:36.261
But it's a trade.

1495
01:33:36.501 --> 01:33:36.941
It's a trade.

1496
01:33:37.362 --> 01:33:37.922
It's a trade.

1497
01:33:38.322 --> 01:33:39.584
Yeah, it's a trade.

1498
01:33:39.804 --> 01:33:42.166
Because am I as close to them as I might have been otherwise?

1499
01:33:42.186 --> 01:33:42.246
No.

1500
01:33:43.487 --> 01:33:45.409
But you're talking about necessity.

1501
01:33:46.170 --> 01:33:46.350
Yeah.

1502
01:33:46.510 --> 01:33:48.692
And what we're talking about is abundance.

1503
01:33:48.992 --> 01:33:49.633
Yeah, yeah, true.

1504
01:33:50.273 --> 01:33:50.534
Yeah.

1505
01:33:51.595 --> 01:33:52.335
And there's a difference.

1506
01:33:53.076 --> 01:33:54.097
So what's your conclusion there?

1507
01:33:54.557 --> 01:33:55.318
Is there a conclusion?

1508
01:33:55.398 --> 01:33:56.359
Is there an action to take?

1509
01:33:56.439 --> 01:33:57.800
Is there...

1510
01:33:57.820 --> 01:33:58.881
I'm still figuring it out.

1511
01:33:59.081 --> 01:34:00.503
But the conclusion...

1512
01:34:01.877 --> 01:34:03.820
is look for the power plays.

1513
01:34:05.262 --> 01:34:06.624
Look for things that make sense.

1514
01:34:07.345 --> 01:34:09.027
Hold off for the right deals.

1515
01:34:09.648 --> 01:34:11.331
Only do what you really believe in.

1516
01:34:11.871 --> 01:34:13.454
The quick money is all bullshit.

1517
01:34:15.096 --> 01:34:17.780
Like my newest business, Glacier.

1518
01:34:19.662 --> 01:34:23.303
I didn't know that was going to come, but I knew something big was going to come that made sense.

1519
01:34:23.703 --> 01:34:30.305
And I've turned down so many opportunities because I just, I didn't feel like it was me.

1520
01:34:30.665 --> 01:34:35.847
And then this came along and it was just me solving my own problem.

1521
01:34:36.327 --> 01:34:38.568
And it's a privacy and digital security mobile app.

1522
01:34:39.028 --> 01:34:39.248
Mm-hmm.

1523
01:34:40.108 --> 01:34:40.668
What does it do?

1524
01:34:41.769 --> 01:34:42.929
We made the simplest...

1525
01:34:44.975 --> 01:34:47.115
phone privacy app that's out there.

1526
01:34:47.596 --> 01:34:50.776
It's got a VPN, it's got secure DNS, and it has burner numbers.

1527
01:34:51.536 --> 01:34:53.597
You walk around every day, you have all these apps.

1528
01:34:54.277 --> 01:34:56.438
These apps are sucking information out of your phone.

1529
01:34:56.458 --> 01:34:58.178
They're pushing it to data brokers.

1530
01:34:58.938 --> 01:35:01.579
That's being sold to who the hell knows who.

1531
01:35:01.939 --> 01:35:03.419
I mean, I just had Byron Tau on.

1532
01:35:03.459 --> 01:35:07.040
He thinks that the Iranians attacked a base by buying...

1533
01:35:08.097 --> 01:35:12.698
data from a data broker and then attacked a US base because of it.

1534
01:35:12.758 --> 01:35:18.139
Basically tapping into soldiers' phones just through everyday data broker marketing shit.

1535
01:35:18.500 --> 01:35:23.601
And so what the secure DNS is, is it blocks all that from getting sucked out of your phone.

1536
01:35:23.761 --> 01:35:25.901
The VPN is great, but that's not the focus.

1537
01:35:25.921 --> 01:35:28.702
The real win here is the secure DNS.

1538
01:35:29.162 --> 01:35:30.003
And the burner numbers.

1539
01:35:30.043 --> 01:35:32.364
I mean, now you can hand out burner numbers.

1540
01:35:32.444 --> 01:35:32.844
Yeah, here.

1541
01:35:33.265 --> 01:35:34.866
You can get a hold of me on this burner number.

1542
01:35:34.966 --> 01:35:40.369
When that burner, when you feel like that burner number's been abused, you just hit the button, it goes away.

1543
01:35:40.409 --> 01:35:44.071
They can never contact you again, and you buy another one.

1544
01:35:44.171 --> 01:35:45.472
What a cool product and very well aligned.

1545
01:35:45.952 --> 01:35:46.292
Thank you.

1546
01:35:46.393 --> 01:35:46.613
Yeah.

1547
01:35:46.833 --> 01:35:47.213
Thank you.

1548
01:35:47.593 --> 01:35:48.594
Look, for me...

1549
01:35:50.868 --> 01:35:53.269
I'm not going to do two podcasts a week forever.

1550
01:35:53.849 --> 01:35:54.850
I love to do this.

1551
01:35:55.370 --> 01:36:03.093
Two a week, it's too much for me and my family, especially traveling around and doing foreign countries and this other stuff.

1552
01:36:03.133 --> 01:36:04.934
I have to slim it down.

1553
01:36:04.994 --> 01:36:11.597
So eventually I'm going to go to one a week, and I've been given this platform, and I'm—

1554
01:36:14.840 --> 01:36:20.681
I want to start businesses that I truly believe in that solves a real problem because I love business.

1555
01:36:21.081 --> 01:36:23.322
I love, you know, I also think about the other side.

1556
01:36:23.362 --> 01:36:32.524
Like, well, what if I was, what if I was solely a dad and husband and I didn't get any of the phone calls and I wasn't able to, I didn't have a creative outlet.

1557
01:36:33.124 --> 01:36:37.045
I love the creativity of business and creating your way on how to win.

1558
01:36:38.185 --> 01:36:41.587
I mean, I think a lot of people hit a roadblock and like, oh, shit, didn't work.

1559
01:36:41.907 --> 01:36:43.248
There's always another way.

1560
01:36:43.608 --> 01:36:45.189
There's always another way to win.

1561
01:36:46.189 --> 01:36:56.375
And that's one of the things that I took and one of the positive things that I took from my days at contracting for CIA and being a Navy SEAL is there is always a way to win.

1562
01:36:57.335 --> 01:37:04.497
But you have to be creative enough to find all the different avenues to the goal that you want to get and reverse engineer that.

1563
01:37:04.737 --> 01:37:06.477
And dare I say, have a bit of persistence.

1564
01:37:06.917 --> 01:37:08.838
Yeah, a lot of persistence.

1565
01:37:09.378 --> 01:37:12.539
It's an education, you know, and you get smarter along the way.

1566
01:37:13.159 --> 01:37:15.900
So in a long way, I think that's my conclusion.

1567
01:37:16.840 --> 01:37:22.041
We have a closing tradition on this podcast where the last guest leaves a question for the next guest not knowing who they're leaving it for.

1568
01:37:23.282 --> 01:37:24.402
And the question left for you.

1569
01:37:25.694 --> 01:37:27.355
is what is love?

1570
01:37:28.375 --> 01:37:29.355
What is love?

1571
01:37:33.096 --> 01:37:38.278
The first thing that comes to mind is love is what you're willing to die for.

1572
01:37:38.298 --> 01:37:39.358
Hmm.

1573
01:37:40.558 --> 01:37:41.599
And what are you willing to die for?

1574
01:37:42.499 --> 01:37:43.059
My family.

1575
01:37:45.824 --> 01:37:46.344
Sean, thank you.

1576
01:37:47.005 --> 01:37:49.186
Thank you for being an inspiration for us podcasters.

1577
01:37:49.307 --> 01:37:50.427
We've learned so much from what you do.

1578
01:37:50.667 --> 01:37:58.593
I think the big lesson that I've taken from you is actually just around kind of what we talked about earlier on is you're such a high integrity person that lives with such great alignment to what you believe.

1579
01:37:58.933 --> 01:37:59.854
You do things your way.

1580
01:38:00.474 --> 01:38:10.241
And that's why I think people like you, I admire so much because in the world we live in, it's so easy to copy and follow and all those kinds of things.

1581
01:38:10.281 --> 01:38:13.584
But there are some people I look out there and I go, do you know what, that person's doing it their way.

1582
01:38:14.004 --> 01:38:17.746
I know who they are because what they're producing is so N of one.

1583
01:38:18.126 --> 01:38:18.847
There's only one of them.

1584
01:38:19.687 --> 01:38:25.090
And so those are the people that I have the most respect for as sort of a podcasting peer, and you're certainly one of them.

1585
01:38:25.290 --> 01:38:38.717
And, you know, as well, with the subject matter we talked about, you being in pursuit of your truth and your alignment, even in spite of there being obvious costs like losing advertisers or what people might think if, again, it's a demonstration of your

1586
01:38:40.198 --> 01:38:52.562
And then lastly, your real focus on family being at the heart of it and seeing the emotion in your face as you describe this sort of battle that I know a lot of my audience have every single day in their own lives between ambition and goals and these types of things.

1587
01:38:52.602 --> 01:39:02.425
But then the love of family and kids and all those things is another wonderful reminder for me at this point in my life where I feel like I'm about to tussle with the same situation.

1588
01:39:03.245 --> 01:39:04.566
So thank you for doing all that you do.

1589
01:39:04.726 --> 01:39:08.808
I'm a great fan of yours, both as a fellow creator and podcaster, but also as a man.

1590
01:39:09.029 --> 01:39:12.391
And the service for the country as well is something that is of great admiration.

1591
01:39:12.411 --> 01:39:12.951
So thank you, Sean.

1592
01:39:13.251 --> 01:39:13.651
Thank you.

1593
01:39:14.252 --> 01:39:15.492
I was really excited to meet you.

1594
01:39:15.512 --> 01:39:16.273
Oh, thank you.

1595
01:39:16.953 --> 01:39:18.074
Great job with what you're doing.

1596
01:39:18.114 --> 01:39:18.754
Thank you so much.

1597
01:39:18.955 --> 01:39:19.235
Thank you.