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So you decide to do a song and dance for the opening of the Oscars.

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Can't dance.

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Okay.

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Okay.

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I mean, I didn't get footloose for a reason.

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For a reason.

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Right.

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And it doesn't go well is what you're saying.

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It doesn't go well.

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It doesn't go well.

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there was an open letter to the Academy the next day signed by like Paul Newman and Gregory Peck.

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And like, this was an affront to our sensibility.

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How dare you?

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I mean, I looked out in the audience and I saw, it was the night Barry Levinson won 10 Academy Awards for Rain Man.

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And I literally saw him mouth, what the fuck?

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Yeah.

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Didn't go well.

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To borrow a line from Heidi Klum, in Hollywood, one day you're in and the next you're out, but not for Rob Lowe.

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He has been a fixture since the 1980s and has had decades worth of iconic roles, from St. Elmo's Fire to The Outsiders to The West Wing to Parks and Rec.

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In an industry that chews him up and spits him out, how has Rob Lowe stayed relevant for so long?

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It's not just his good looks, and yes, he is very good looking.

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It's something else.

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The real secret to Rob's longevity is something more powerful.

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As he puts it, he's got a serious case of the fuck-its.

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He likes taking risks, knowing full well that they don't always work out.

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But the thrill of doing something new is exactly the thing that has helped him find opportunities where others don't.

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In addition to the movies and TV shows, he's also the host of the podcast Literally with Rob Lowe and is host of The Floor, which airs its fourth season on September 24th on Fox.

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This is a bit of optimism.

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How old were you when you got famous?

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Young, very young.

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The first time, because then it came and then went.

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Oh, really?

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Yeah, because I got famous as a teen idol.

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Right.

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And then it didn't work.

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What was the thing that put you on the map?

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It was a sitcom called A New Kind of Family, and I was 15.

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And so, you know, you're like the... You were on the cover of Teen Beat?

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Yeah, all that stuff.

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Bop.

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Bop.

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Teen Beat.

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There's something about, like, maybe just because I'm just a fucking old pervert.

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There's something about Teen Beat and Bop.

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Oh, wait.

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I just put it together.

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I never.

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Wait.

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I just put that together in this moment.

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The minute you said pervert, immediately I understood.

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Teen Beat?

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I had never made that association.

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Teen Beat?

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You've just.

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Are they kidding with that?

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Bop?

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But you were on the cover.

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That's worse.

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She Bop.

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No, no.

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I get it.

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But you were on the cover.

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That's the worst part.

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Oh, yeah.

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You were the team.

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I was a cover boy at 15.

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Yeah.

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And then had an early midlife crisis at 17.

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16 and 17 didn't work because they hired only 18-year-olds to play younger because of the child labor.

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Loss and how long you could work on a set.

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And I just didn't work for two and a half years.

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And I thought my career was over.

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And then I got The Outsiders.

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And that was a whole other level of fame.

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That's movie.

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That's movie.

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And that started it.

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because you I have a friend you're relatively grounded I'll go with relatively relatively yes relatively I have a friend who has a theory that when people achieve fame any kind of growth that they have ceases oh I have that theory it's true and so like child actors are screwed because they stop growing and they think they think everybody says yes to you is normal

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Yes, whenever I, that's 100% true.

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Unless you do a ton of work on yourself, you're frozen in amber.

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Right.

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The minute you get famous.

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Yes, that's true.

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It's absolutely true.

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So when people achieve adult fame, they're a little more grounded because they know where they came from, hopefully.

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Some forget it.

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And they've, well, and they also have experienced just by virtue of time, they've experienced more life.

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But your career is kind of amazing because you have, and this is a credit to you, you have been able to remain relevant forever.

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I mean, you were part of the Brat Pack back in the day.

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Yep.

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Mid-80s.

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Mid-80s.

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Early 80s, yeah.

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You know, John Hughes and that crew.

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I mean, that's my childhood.

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I grew up watching all of your movies.

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Yeah.

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Um, and, uh, and I think I watched the documentary.

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I watched, uh, the, the Andrew McCarthy with Andrew McCarthy.

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And to your credit and Demi's credit, like you guys like didn't get sucked into it.

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And it wasn't, you've maintained careers and relevance up until now.

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He didn't let that define us.

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It didn't define you.

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What, like, was there a strategy that,

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To remain current?

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Like, what is it that makes one actor be able to survive for decades and another actor be a blip in time?

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No fault of their own.

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Just like they're super hot for a while and then they're just not.

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Sure.

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It's not that they're not talented.

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It's not that they're not good.

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It's not that they're bad people.

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It's not that they're hard to work with.

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It's just that they have their moment and then they don't.

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I mean, actors are products, you know, to some degree.

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Same with singers.

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So what is it?

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Was it luck?

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Yeah.

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Was it something you did differently than other actors that helped you, that you're still working and people still love you and stop you on the streets and all the rest of it?

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Not nostalgically.

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No, not nostalgic.

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In fact, the thing that I love the most is when like a group of 14 year olds come up.

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Because they've seen The Outsiders and like, or they've watched Parks and Rec.

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Or, you know, whatever.

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Being relevant is...

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So was it something you did or was it you just like thanking your lucky stars every day that it kind of worked out?

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It's like anything else.

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You put yourself in a position to get lucky, right?

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So one of the things is that I've…

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I've always been a risk taker.

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And so if something's interesting to me, I'll do it.

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And so, for example, when I did the West Wing, that was at a time when if you had come from movies and God forbid you'd been in movies, but maybe you were in a sort of mini downturn, which I was.

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You definitely, if you did a TV series, you were admitting defeat.

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Right.

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And there were, I mean, I've talked to people- You could go from TV to movies, but you would never go to movies to TV.

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Never.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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And then, and I remember, you know, when after I did it, guys like William Peterson, big movie crew to live and die in LA, he did CSI and Kiefer.

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who said, did I saw you on West Wing?

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I was like, okay, maybe I'll do television.

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You did 24.

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So I'm not saying I blazed any trail, but when people see somebody do it, all of a sudden the stigma comes off of it.

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But I was able to do it because I just didn't care.

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And I was like, I've always had a healthy case of the fuckets.

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Yeah.

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And that really helps.

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And then the other thing is I'm naturally curious.

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Mm-hmm.

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So you want to do different things.

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I want to do different things.

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I've never done TV kind of thing.

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Never done a podcast.

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Right.

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You know, right.

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Never.

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But, you know, like when I wrote my first book, people were like, well, you can't write a memoir because that's another thing people do when it's over.

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Right.

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Or when they need money.

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Right.

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And I was like, well, it's neither for me.

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And I don't care what people think because I think I have something to say.

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And I'm on my third book.

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How did you develop the case of the fuck-its?

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Like where did it come from?

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Like was it instilled in you and your parents or did you like, did you survive the career near death experience and realize you survived so you'll be okay kind of thing?

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If you talk to my family, particularly my brothers, they'll tell you I always had it.

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Where are you in the pecking order?

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I'm the oldest.

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I mean, I think I've always had a lack of fear

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around like sort of ambition, audaciousness, lack of fear, how, whatever flavor you want to describe.

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It's that same ingredient I think I've, I kind of was born with.

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So what, so give me an example of something that a risk you took and it didn't work out.

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And it was like, oh, well, give me one, just give me one.

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I got a bad one.

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Agreeing to do a song and dance number to open the Academy Awards.

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disaster i i wish you had talked to me before that i could have advised you against that what would you have said other than it's a horrible idea horrible idea okay so can you sing and dance let's start there i can i'm an actor who sings okay so you're a double threat i can sing as well as russell crowe let's put it that way no no disrespect to russell crowe at all

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I mean, Kiefer Sutherland tours a band.

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I think I could go up and do a duet with him.

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Okay, so you decide- I mean, I'm no Bacon Brothers.

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So you decide to do a song and dance for the opening of the Oscars.

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Can't dance, really.

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Okay, okay.

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I mean, I didn't get Footloose for a reason.

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For a reason, right.

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And it doesn't go well, is what you're saying?

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It doesn't go well.

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It doesn't go well.

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that there was an open letter to the Academy the next day signed by like Paul Newman and Gregory Peck.

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And like, this was an affront to our sensibility.

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How dare, I mean, I looked out in the audience and I saw, it was the night Barry Levinson won 10 Academy Awards for Rain Man.

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And I literally saw him mouth, what the fuck?

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Didn't go well.

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Okay.

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So you come off stage.

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You're fully aware of what happened.

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Here's the other part.

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You got to have.

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There's a reason why a lot of actors are egomaniacs and self-centered narcissists.

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Because you have to have a little bit of that to inoculate yourself to the indignities of

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that happened daily in a career where you're marked to market every single day.

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Right.

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So that part of me was like, fuck Barry Levinson.

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What does he know?

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Do you know what I mean?

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And then so you go, you go backstage and then you sit there and you're in the green room

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And there's Lucille Ball telling you that you're a wonderful dancer and singer.

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She's making fun of you.

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No, she loved it.

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Oh, really?

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No, she legitimately...

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But she's also a comedy genius.

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God damn it.

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I always thought she liked it.

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Fuck.

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You've totally rewritten my own history, Simon.

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Oh!

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The history I tell myself is that... Lucille Ball loved me.

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Is that everybody hated it except Lucille Ball.

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Yeah.

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Now it's just everybody hated it, including Lucille Ball.

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No, she loved it.

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Because she's a comedy genius.

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God damn it.

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She legitimately loved it.

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Young man.

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So Lucia Ball loved it.

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But OK, so once you and then then you read the open letter that it's an affront to the Academy and all our sensibilities.

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So is is that a humbling or do you have a sense of humor about it?

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Like this is what I want to understand, which is I wanted to stand like if there are these peaks and valleys and, you know, you have a healthy narcissism or unhealthy that.

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I've been diagnosed as a benevolent narcissist.

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Is that a diagnosis?

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Well, that's what Rashida Jones says.

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And I think she's actually a learned woman.

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Okay, so you're a benevolent narcissist, which means that you can take these situations and do you actually, does it hurt or is it funny?

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Both.

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Simultaneously?

249
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Yes.

250
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So is that the reason that you've been able to maintain a career for so long?

251
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Is because you have a... As healthy as your ego is, you also get that it's a joke.

252
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It's a game.

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100%.

254
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Like you're a caricature of yourself at times.

255
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Well, that's why when...

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Like one of my favorite things that I've ever done was the Comedy Central roast of myself.

257
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Right.

258
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It's brutal.

259
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Why do people agree to that?

260
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Well, see, that's just the thing.

261
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It's like, like, why would you?

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So I told Cheryl, I said, they've come to me.

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Your wife, Cheryl.

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My wife, Cheryl.

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They've cut, they came to me like four years in a row.

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And I was like, I'm not doing that.

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And then I remember Justin Bieber did it.

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And he is a huge star.

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I was like, you know what?

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If Justin Bieber can do it, I can do it.

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And competition.

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Right.

273
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Right.

274
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And fear of being public, right?

275
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It's everything you've said about me.

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And Cheryl goes, I won't let you do it.

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You're going to be humiliated and nationalized.

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That ship has sailed.

279
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That's what I said.

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I remember I said to her.

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And she goes, well, are they at least going to pay you?

282
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And I go, yeah, they're going to pay me over a million dollars.

283
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She goes, oh, you're doing it.

284
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Everybody's got a price.

285
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Everybody has a price.

286
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What's the price of humiliation?

287
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Turns out it's about a million dollars.

288
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Turns out it's about a million dollars for about five hours work.

289
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Yeah.

290
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I would put up with a lot for that.

291
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I mean, who among us?

292
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So, but that said, I've never had more fun.

293
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Never.

294
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Never.

295
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It was so fun.

296
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And they eviscerated.

297
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Our good friend Maria Shriver I invited.

298
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And she sat there.

299
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You can watch it on Netflix to this day or wherever the hell it is.

300
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The look of horror on Maria Shriver's face as I'm getting dissected.

301
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I wish I had watched this as prep.

302
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It's so brutal.

303
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But it's...

304
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So where did you learn that?

305
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Did that come from being punched in the face a few times and learning?

306
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Like, was that natural?

307
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Or did you... What I'm getting at...

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I'll tell you what it is.

309
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What I'm getting at is can the rest of us learn?

310
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You are, you know, black belt, jujitsu, you know...

311
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your ability to weather the punches.

312
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And the question I'm asking, the reason I'm going down this path is, can the rest of us learn to withstand humiliation?

313
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And I don't wanna say, you know, failures, but sort of like- Failures.

314
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Failure, humiliations and failures.

315
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They wrote an open letter, Simon.

316
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Paul Newman wrote an open letter.

317
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Okay.

318
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So how did the rest of us learn to build the muscle of humiliation, to withstand humiliation of failure?

319
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Because ultimately it's good for growth, mental health, and career longevity.

320
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So I want to know where it came from.

321
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I mean, I think it's competitiveness.

322
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Like I'm down, but I'm not out.

323
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You see it with athletes all the time.

324
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Literally, they're down by X amount of points.

325
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But what's going through your head when you're down?

326
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Because the difference between a great athlete and just a very talented athlete is the mental game, not the physical game.

327
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Well, it's like somebody, they say what makes great shooters is they forget the last bad shot.

328
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Yeah.

329
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So, I mean, they literally are impervious to the fact that they've gone 0 for 18.

330
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Yeah.

331
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They get the ball.

332
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They're not going, oh, what if I go 0 for 19?

333
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They're not.

334
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I mean, that's a real thing.

335
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I've been talking about this thing recently.

336
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I heard this guy talking about he wanted to understand what makes the best tennis players the best tennis players.

337
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And what he discovered is that the top five are always in the top five.

338
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And like the next 20, 25 are like circulating in the 20, 25.

339
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So what he's asking is like, what distinguishes the top five from everybody else?

340
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It's not diet.

341
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It's not, it's not discipline.

342
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It's not training.

343
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All those things are equals.

344
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What he discovered was the top five tennis players love the game.

345
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They love the game.

346
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So when they have a great shot, like they'll, they'll, they'll win the point and they'll say to themselves, oh, I love this game.

347
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And if they miss the point, they go, missed it this time, but just you wait.

348
00:16:35.042 --> 00:16:37.364
And what that does is it reduces stress and saves energy.

349
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And so individually, it doesn't do very much.

350
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But over the course of an entire game, what it does by the end, they have more energy and they have lower stress.

351
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And so they can win at the end because they're just so much more relaxed and have much more physical energy than their opponent who's stressed out and tense and all the rest of it.

352
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Tight.

353
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And so I'm wondering if it's something similar to that, which is when you get on your heels, when you win, you're like, oh, I freaking love my life.

354
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I love my career.

355
00:17:06.606 --> 00:17:07.806
I love this crazy business.

356
00:17:08.167 --> 00:17:11.168
And when you get hit on your heels, you go like, oh, that sucked.

357
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But I'm coming.

358
00:17:12.769 --> 00:17:13.550
Like, is it the same?

359
00:17:13.570 --> 00:17:14.770
Do you have the same joy?

360
00:17:14.790 --> 00:17:15.731
That's what it feels like.

361
00:17:15.891 --> 00:17:16.951
That's exactly what it feels like.

362
00:17:16.971 --> 00:17:19.433
That's what goes through my mind, what you just described.

363
00:17:20.277 --> 00:17:25.838
So that to me is learnable, but that to me is also, to see it done in a career that's not athletics.

364
00:17:26.018 --> 00:17:30.579
Because athletics, it's immediate, point, point, point, point, game done, right?

365
00:17:30.879 --> 00:17:37.280
I find it more interesting in what you're doing because it's less immediate.

366
00:17:37.440 --> 00:17:41.661
And you have to actually, because those down periods can last weeks, months.

367
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Years.

368
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Years.

369
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Years.

370
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And to be able to maintain that attitude of, I'm coming back and be able to look past the fact that it's been a year and you've been out of work,

371
00:17:49.362 --> 00:17:53.405
There was a time in my career where I hadn't been – do you remember these things called magazines?

372
00:17:53.446 --> 00:17:54.927
Do you remember those when those were out?

373
00:17:55.147 --> 00:17:55.988
Yeah.

374
00:17:56.068 --> 00:18:06.136
So there was a time when I hadn't been on the cover of a magazine, which is, you know, as silly as it sounds, a great barometer of your cachet and your industry popularity.

375
00:18:06.156 --> 00:18:06.356
Yeah.

376
00:18:06.757 --> 00:18:08.098
And I hadn't been on a magazine cover in –

377
00:18:09.675 --> 00:18:11.996
10 years, maybe.

378
00:18:12.696 --> 00:18:14.757
And I was like, oh, I'm back, I'll be back.

379
00:18:14.937 --> 00:18:22.460
And then it was, and then there was another five or six year period, and then back again.

380
00:18:23.300 --> 00:18:26.702
And I always wanted to be on the cover of Vanity Fair because that really meant something.

381
00:18:26.742 --> 00:18:30.883
That was, when I came up, that was only the biggest stars.

382
00:18:31.403 --> 00:18:32.544
Got on the cover of Vanity Fair.

383
00:18:33.724 --> 00:18:34.365
And I never got it.

384
00:18:34.505 --> 00:18:35.726
Never, never, never, never got it.

385
00:18:36.506 --> 00:18:39.609
And not only did I not get that, I didn't get very many at all.

386
00:18:40.149 --> 00:18:42.671
And then I ended up getting the cover of Vanity Fair.

387
00:18:43.571 --> 00:18:44.592
And it wasn't for acting.

388
00:18:44.612 --> 00:18:45.333
It was for my writing.

389
00:18:46.173 --> 00:18:48.375
It was that they excerpted my first book.

390
00:18:49.235 --> 00:18:54.399
And that, which I always took kind of, talk about, you can have all your plans, but the universe has something else.

391
00:18:54.619 --> 00:19:00.584
Like, if you'd have told me, you're never going to get the cover of Vanity Fair as an actor, but you're going to get it as an author, I'd have been like, what?

392
00:19:00.864 --> 00:19:01.905
But that's what happened.

393
00:19:02.065 --> 00:19:02.345
Yeah.

394
00:19:03.005 --> 00:19:04.787
But it was still the attitude of, I'll be back.

395
00:19:05.447 --> 00:19:07.148
I'll be back, as Arnold would say.

396
00:19:07.408 --> 00:19:14.273
But I am fascinated by this, because you come from an industry where the egos are fascinating.

397
00:19:15.093 --> 00:19:15.654
Fascinating.

398
00:19:15.694 --> 00:19:16.214
Fascinating.

399
00:19:16.394 --> 00:19:18.996
My point is, you could make a study.

400
00:19:19.956 --> 00:19:26.100
You're one of the very few actors who's had a career across so many decades that you...

401
00:19:26.481 --> 00:19:28.322
I'm very curious how the industry has changed.

402
00:19:29.062 --> 00:19:35.264
When you were an A-lister with all the magazines and paparazzi following you around then versus now, what has changed of the personalities?

403
00:19:35.304 --> 00:19:37.484
What does it take to stay in this business?

404
00:19:37.504 --> 00:19:38.904
What does it take to get into this business?

405
00:19:39.225 --> 00:19:40.265
Has anything changed?

406
00:19:40.565 --> 00:19:42.645
The people who made it then, could they make it now?

407
00:19:42.745 --> 00:19:44.506
The people who made it now, could they have made it then?

408
00:19:44.546 --> 00:19:52.568
This is a five-hour podcast question, and I'm happy to go into it because— I'm fascinated by it.

409
00:19:53.708 --> 00:19:57.069
For me, I'm a culture guy, and I'm so curious how the culture has changed of—

410
00:19:58.929 --> 00:19:59.450
Show business.

411
00:19:59.470 --> 00:20:04.214
So in no particular order, because I'm not sure of the things I'm going to talk about, which is more important.

412
00:20:04.615 --> 00:20:05.676
So I'm just going to start talking.

413
00:20:06.997 --> 00:20:20.950
Today, the audience is interested in you to the extent that they like you and are invested in...

414
00:20:23.237 --> 00:20:25.659
In who you are.

415
00:20:25.839 --> 00:20:26.440
As a person.

416
00:20:27.621 --> 00:20:28.662
Behind, off screen.

417
00:20:28.742 --> 00:20:32.305
As a person, as a brand, as your thing.

418
00:20:33.025 --> 00:20:38.250
So compare that to when people loved Paul Newman.

419
00:20:38.450 --> 00:20:38.690
Right.

420
00:20:38.890 --> 00:20:39.971
Or Marlon Brando.

421
00:20:40.071 --> 00:20:40.272
Right.

422
00:20:40.372 --> 00:20:41.252
Or Lillian Gish.

423
00:20:42.053 --> 00:20:44.435
They didn't know fuck all about any of those people.

424
00:20:44.475 --> 00:20:45.595
No parasocial relationships.

425
00:20:45.816 --> 00:20:46.456
Nothing.

426
00:20:46.756 --> 00:20:58.664
By the way, if you wanted to see them outside of what you paid in a movie or a TV show, maybe, maybe you saw them at the Oscars or the Emmys.

427
00:21:00.125 --> 00:21:02.827
Today, they, if you're not...

428
00:21:05.983 --> 00:21:10.387
And really what it is, audiences need authenticity today.

429
00:21:10.647 --> 00:21:13.609
They value authenticity above all else.

430
00:21:13.689 --> 00:21:14.049
All else.

431
00:21:14.129 --> 00:21:17.272
So before they were actors, they had a job.

432
00:21:17.812 --> 00:21:20.114
Now you have a brand you're managing.

433
00:21:20.694 --> 00:21:22.316
And that makes it sound... Is that right?

434
00:21:22.356 --> 00:21:22.916
Yeah, but it makes...

435
00:21:23.216 --> 00:21:28.680
Yes, but that phraseology through no fault of your own makes it sound more icky than it is.

436
00:21:29.641 --> 00:21:34.485
Because when you realize what's underneath it is people in a world...

437
00:21:35.746 --> 00:21:41.311
where literally you don't even know what the truth is anymore, if you get a whiff of authenticity,

438
00:21:42.483 --> 00:21:44.824
That is huge to people.

439
00:21:45.444 --> 00:21:49.104
Because you're the same on camera than you are off camera.

440
00:21:49.304 --> 00:21:54.306
I mean- Talking to you now, like you and I should have shooting the shit before we turn the camera.

441
00:21:54.346 --> 00:21:56.646
It's the same cadence.

442
00:21:56.666 --> 00:21:57.826
It's the same personality.

443
00:21:58.166 --> 00:21:59.547
You don't turn it on for the cameras.

444
00:21:59.587 --> 00:22:00.947
I mean, this is what you see is what you get.

445
00:22:00.967 --> 00:22:01.647
Is that what you mean?

446
00:22:01.767 --> 00:22:05.648
100% and that has always been my, a little bit of my secret sauce.

447
00:22:05.868 --> 00:22:07.630
It hasn't always worked in my favor.

448
00:22:07.650 --> 00:22:09.751
I won't name names, but people can do the math.

449
00:22:10.252 --> 00:22:15.737
I came up with a bunch of guys all about the same time, same looks, same level of talent.

450
00:22:16.477 --> 00:22:23.083
And one became a gigantic, gigantic, iconic movie star.

451
00:22:24.144 --> 00:22:24.364
But...

452
00:22:26.746 --> 00:22:32.791
the way that that person did it is they were a different person in private than they were in public.

453
00:22:34.012 --> 00:22:34.553
And I've just...

454
00:22:35.354 --> 00:22:36.134
Which works for a while.

455
00:22:36.214 --> 00:22:38.696
Which I just can't... First of all, I don't want to live like that.

456
00:22:38.736 --> 00:22:39.937
Yeah, yeah.

457
00:22:40.138 --> 00:22:40.778
But like...

458
00:22:42.224 --> 00:22:43.645
I just couldn't do it.

459
00:22:43.665 --> 00:22:45.686
Do you know what I mean?

460
00:22:45.706 --> 00:22:54.089
The reason I keep scraping this, why I'm fascinated by this is less about Hollywood, but more that I see that Hollywood and sort of show business is an exaggeration for real life.

461
00:22:54.209 --> 00:22:55.530
Everything's exaggerated.

462
00:22:55.690 --> 00:23:05.194
And I think lots of people live lives where who they are publicly and who they are privately and who they are at work and who they are at home are, we're all slightly different, of course.

463
00:23:05.814 --> 00:23:08.596
You have to be, but there are some who are very different.

464
00:23:09.736 --> 00:23:18.541
And I think the concept of authenticity is something that we want at work, we want from our friends, we want from our companies, and we're pushing it.

465
00:23:18.622 --> 00:23:25.686
And so I like looking at Hollywood for the lessons because everything is so exaggerated, it makes the lessons easier to see.

466
00:23:25.706 --> 00:23:32.810
So when you see somebody who's so diametrically different publicly than they are privately, like what happens here and why does it crash?

467
00:23:33.330 --> 00:23:37.413
And what kind of skills does it take to live an authentic life?

468
00:23:38.073 --> 00:23:42.895
And so is it just flexing the muscle of learning to withstand humiliation?

469
00:23:43.015 --> 00:23:49.158
Is it what we were saying before, which is love of life, joie de vivre, like I love this and don't worry, I'll be back tomorrow.

470
00:23:49.218 --> 00:23:50.218
Is it that kind of grit?

471
00:23:50.238 --> 00:23:52.099
Like I'm trying to discern the lessons.

472
00:23:52.279 --> 00:23:53.379
It's all of that.

473
00:23:53.559 --> 00:24:05.164
And then the other part is owning your flaws and being aware of what your blind spots are and realizing that those can also be your superpowers.

474
00:24:05.702 --> 00:24:06.823
How do you define authenticity?

475
00:24:06.843 --> 00:24:12.449
When you say that the audience these days, the people are looking for an authentic personality.

476
00:24:12.469 --> 00:24:13.470
What does that even mean?

477
00:24:13.830 --> 00:24:15.172
The term is so overused.

478
00:24:15.192 --> 00:24:15.812
You know what it is?

479
00:24:15.973 --> 00:24:19.816
It's like, what's the classic thing is what is porn?

480
00:24:20.057 --> 00:24:21.438
How do you describe it?

481
00:24:21.498 --> 00:24:22.439
You know it when you see it.

482
00:24:23.460 --> 00:24:24.121
That's not enough.

483
00:24:24.672 --> 00:24:25.872
Or like, what is modern art?

484
00:24:25.892 --> 00:24:27.133
You know it when you see it.

485
00:24:27.193 --> 00:24:32.694
Yeah, but that is an answer people give because they are struggling to find the words to find it.

486
00:24:32.794 --> 00:24:34.814
If you can see something, you can define it.

487
00:24:35.014 --> 00:24:40.675
If we know what it is and we know what it isn't, then we should be able to... Like, is the Sistine Chapel modern art?

488
00:24:40.915 --> 00:24:41.335
Clearly not.

489
00:24:41.355 --> 00:24:42.336
But what if it's a feeling?

490
00:24:43.476 --> 00:24:44.316
Because it's a feel.

491
00:24:44.376 --> 00:24:45.016
It is a feel.

492
00:24:45.276 --> 00:24:45.836
It's a feel.

493
00:24:45.856 --> 00:24:48.657
Like when you're with somebody... How do you know a dog's a dog?

494
00:24:49.097 --> 00:24:49.797
You know it when you see it?

495
00:24:49.857 --> 00:24:50.057
No.

496
00:24:50.077 --> 00:24:53.458
But you're not getting a feeling off the dog.

497
00:24:54.282 --> 00:24:55.643
You get a feeling off the dog.

498
00:24:55.663 --> 00:24:57.905
What we're talking about is a feel.

499
00:24:58.165 --> 00:24:59.066
Okay, so what's the feeling?

500
00:24:59.947 --> 00:25:02.509
How can we tell people be authentic if we can't tell them what to do?

501
00:25:04.010 --> 00:25:04.771
I can tell you exactly.

502
00:25:06.232 --> 00:25:07.133
Do not self-edit.

503
00:25:08.273 --> 00:25:10.896
There's practical shit that I have had to learn.

504
00:25:11.496 --> 00:25:12.557
So what does self-editing mean?

505
00:25:13.418 --> 00:25:23.446
So if I have, like in this conversation, if I have an instinct, something funny, I'm saying it, I'm thinking it and saying it before I've even registered that it's going to happen.

506
00:25:24.980 --> 00:25:26.721
As opposed to, I haven't even thought about it.

507
00:25:27.801 --> 00:25:30.062
It came from somewhere and I just blurted it out.

508
00:25:30.222 --> 00:25:37.245
I've lived parts of my life where in a talk show format, I wouldn't say anything until I had thought of it.

509
00:25:38.125 --> 00:25:39.205
How's that going to play?

510
00:25:39.525 --> 00:25:42.407
Is that off the topic we're on?

511
00:25:42.447 --> 00:25:43.487
Is it too mean?

512
00:25:43.507 --> 00:25:44.447
Does it make me laugh?

513
00:25:44.707 --> 00:25:47.769
All of those things, I don't have any of them anymore.

514
00:25:47.829 --> 00:25:48.589
When did that go away?

515
00:25:48.869 --> 00:25:50.129
When David Letterman fucked me.

516
00:25:51.350 --> 00:25:51.550
Mm-hmm.

517
00:25:52.807 --> 00:26:00.116
Yeah, when I when I did an appearance on David Letterman and he fucked me, he there's a thing called a pre-interview, right?

518
00:26:00.136 --> 00:26:01.177
Do you know what a pre-interview is?

519
00:26:01.918 --> 00:26:02.619
Where are you?

520
00:26:03.800 --> 00:26:04.661
And I get it.

521
00:26:04.962 --> 00:26:06.684
I have now being a podcast host.

522
00:26:08.363 --> 00:26:10.484
I don't have this because I invite really good people.

523
00:26:10.504 --> 00:26:13.804
I don't have a machine where I have to have fill time.

524
00:26:14.084 --> 00:26:16.825
But if you do, you're going to run up against people who have nothing to say.

525
00:26:16.985 --> 00:26:17.185
Right.

526
00:26:17.705 --> 00:26:22.066
And so as a protection mechanism, these talk shows have a pre-interview process.

527
00:26:22.086 --> 00:26:24.247
You get some actor who does another ass from a hole in the ground.

528
00:26:24.267 --> 00:26:26.247
They don't know what the fuck they're doing.

529
00:26:26.267 --> 00:26:27.267
They've got to promote a movie.

530
00:26:27.307 --> 00:26:27.928
They're boring.

531
00:26:28.328 --> 00:26:30.308
They're funny if somebody writes for them.

532
00:26:30.508 --> 00:26:30.668
Right.

533
00:26:30.748 --> 00:26:31.528
And now you've got to be out.

534
00:26:31.548 --> 00:26:35.409
So they have a pre-interview where you kind of agree on what the stories are going to be.

535
00:26:35.429 --> 00:26:37.090
And if they say this, you're going to say that.

536
00:26:37.130 --> 00:26:37.950
And they do all that can.

537
00:26:38.950 --> 00:26:39.651
Totally can.

538
00:26:39.671 --> 00:26:40.511
Yeah, totally can.

539
00:26:40.551 --> 00:26:40.711
Yeah.

540
00:26:40.791 --> 00:26:41.692
And we can tell.

541
00:26:41.712 --> 00:26:41.992
100%.

542
00:26:42.012 --> 00:26:42.332
Yeah.

543
00:26:42.432 --> 00:26:44.733
It's like comedians doing bits instead of answering questions.

544
00:26:44.953 --> 00:26:47.954
So I, and we did it.

545
00:26:48.055 --> 00:26:55.598
And Letterman's producer was like obsessed with a story that I told them that I knew was stupid.

546
00:26:55.978 --> 00:26:56.198
Yeah.

547
00:26:56.378 --> 00:26:57.779
But they were like, say that story.

548
00:26:58.479 --> 00:26:59.500
Make sure you tell that story.

549
00:27:00.200 --> 00:27:01.621
Dave loves that story.

550
00:27:01.641 --> 00:27:04.762
I'm like, I mean, I'm thinking to myself, I'm having this instinct.

551
00:27:05.262 --> 00:27:06.323
This is not a good story.

552
00:27:06.463 --> 00:27:06.663
Right.

553
00:27:07.662 --> 00:27:08.342
I don't even get it.

554
00:27:08.783 --> 00:27:20.428
The only reason I mentioned this story is because they put me through a two and a half hour pre-interview for an interview that might be three minutes long.

555
00:27:20.809 --> 00:27:20.989
Right.

556
00:27:21.909 --> 00:27:23.550
And by the way, the message of that is you're boring.

557
00:27:24.651 --> 00:27:25.411
You have nothing to say.

558
00:27:26.011 --> 00:27:26.612
Keep talking.

559
00:27:26.692 --> 00:27:30.754
Eventually, we're gonna get to a story that's worthy of the great David Letterman.

560
00:27:30.934 --> 00:27:31.154
Right.

561
00:27:32.715 --> 00:27:32.975
So,

562
00:27:34.488 --> 00:27:37.250
I come out and they've got me.

563
00:27:37.710 --> 00:27:51.641
Do you remember the Warner Brothers cartoons when like Bugs Bunny would fuck Porky Pig's head up so much that he'd pack different suitcases on top of him and spin him around and then he'd walk right off of a, out of a window of a hotel and fall to his death?

564
00:27:51.861 --> 00:27:52.321
That was me.

565
00:27:52.621 --> 00:27:54.583
They're like, here, do this, take that and remember this.

566
00:27:54.623 --> 00:27:58.125
If Dave says this, you say that and remember the one story about that and then I'm out there.

567
00:27:59.747 --> 00:28:00.347
I tell the story.

568
00:28:00.367 --> 00:28:01.068
It's a long story.

569
00:28:01.108 --> 00:28:01.608
Mm-hmm.

570
00:28:01.918 --> 00:28:03.119
And they're like, really tell the story.

571
00:28:03.499 --> 00:28:04.339
I tell the story.

572
00:28:04.940 --> 00:28:07.101
And by the way, the story was about going camping with my dad.

573
00:28:07.141 --> 00:28:12.584
And we had to fly on a plane and a bush plane and they let me fly it.

574
00:28:12.644 --> 00:28:14.205
And I put us in a in a loop.

575
00:28:14.285 --> 00:28:15.145
And that was it.

576
00:28:15.165 --> 00:28:16.366
It was there's no end.

577
00:28:16.386 --> 00:28:16.826
It was nothing.

578
00:28:17.086 --> 00:28:17.967
I finished the story.

579
00:28:20.045 --> 00:28:23.387
to crickets, which I kinda knew were coming.

580
00:28:24.567 --> 00:28:27.108
Dead, long, dead air silence.

581
00:28:27.909 --> 00:28:30.410
And Letterman looks at me and goes, you know what, you seem like a good kid.

582
00:28:31.570 --> 00:28:34.091
After the show, you'll come up in my office and we're gonna work on that story.

583
00:28:35.812 --> 00:28:36.172
Fuck me.

584
00:28:37.113 --> 00:28:37.353
Wow.

585
00:28:39.414 --> 00:28:44.156
And so- Was it- What I learned from that-

586
00:28:46.135 --> 00:28:47.656
is I'm going to trust my instincts.

587
00:28:48.116 --> 00:28:51.358
I'm going to say what I want when I want.

588
00:28:51.659 --> 00:28:55.941
Because it couldn't have gone worse checking the boxes.

589
00:28:56.302 --> 00:28:56.542
Right.

590
00:28:56.622 --> 00:29:01.985
So even if you trust your own instincts and it fails, you're still at ground zero.

591
00:29:02.025 --> 00:29:02.906
And it turns out, guess what?

592
00:29:03.006 --> 00:29:03.806
I've got good instincts.

593
00:29:04.667 --> 00:29:05.507
Because guess what?

594
00:29:05.587 --> 00:29:07.268
You can't be a good actor without good instincts.

595
00:29:07.649 --> 00:29:08.029
You can't.

596
00:29:09.370 --> 00:29:11.271
Can't, cannot.

597
00:29:11.471 --> 00:29:12.171
It's what we work with.

598
00:29:12.191 --> 00:29:21.016
So you learn from the humiliation to say, you know what, I'm gonna trust my instincts and tell my own stories.

599
00:29:21.776 --> 00:29:22.156
That's right.

600
00:29:22.276 --> 00:29:25.598
And so how do we teach someone to trust their gut

601
00:29:26.759 --> 00:29:28.761
without having to get to the point where they get.

602
00:29:29.022 --> 00:29:31.585
So have you been able to teach your kids?

603
00:29:31.605 --> 00:29:38.332
Have you been able to teach your friends how to develop this muscle other than trust me, this is what happened to me.

604
00:29:38.673 --> 00:29:39.714
Don't make the same mistake.

605
00:29:41.365 --> 00:29:49.927
I mean, it's like, for example, if I were talking to a CEO of a company and it was about like, how can I be better talking at a retreat?

606
00:29:50.347 --> 00:29:51.788
Or how can I be better in interviews?

607
00:29:52.388 --> 00:30:06.152
Right, which I would say highlight your fears, your flaws, what you, like the very thing that you don't wanna talk about

608
00:30:07.460 --> 00:30:13.864
is the very thing that you need to talk about that makes you interesting and makes you relatable.

609
00:30:14.885 --> 00:30:25.171
And, you know, I, I think that get off script, do something unexpected, do something unexpected.

610
00:30:30.708 --> 00:30:32.810
By telling... First of all, it takes courage.

611
00:30:34.311 --> 00:30:35.011
A friend of mine...

612
00:30:36.212 --> 00:30:39.815
So the word vulnerability and being vulnerable is now overused.

613
00:30:40.416 --> 00:30:42.457
To the point where I'm not even sure anybody knows what it means.

614
00:30:42.998 --> 00:30:47.461
And worse, to many people, the word vulnerable is equated with weakness.

615
00:30:47.581 --> 00:30:48.001
That's right.

616
00:30:48.702 --> 00:30:49.142
My friend...

617
00:30:49.903 --> 00:30:50.363
I love this.

618
00:30:50.383 --> 00:30:52.685
She doesn't use the word vulnerable for all the reasons.

619
00:30:52.845 --> 00:30:53.526
She hates the word.

620
00:30:54.166 --> 00:30:55.427
She uses the word available.

621
00:30:56.008 --> 00:30:56.168
Mm.

622
00:30:56.688 --> 00:30:57.889
Which I've really taken to.

623
00:30:58.530 --> 00:30:59.851
Which is make yourself...

624
00:31:00.515 --> 00:31:02.256
available, right?

625
00:31:02.557 --> 00:31:04.258
Like, make yourself available.

626
00:31:04.378 --> 00:31:17.427
Show people that you are available to talk about your mistakes, that you're available emotionally, that you're available, you know, to show your humility.

627
00:31:18.408 --> 00:31:24.772
And the courage it takes to be available, to make yourself available, because to be unavailable is nothing but walls and smoke screens.

628
00:31:24.792 --> 00:31:27.414
Okay, so let's talk about something that's

629
00:31:30.068 --> 00:31:33.229
People always say, the thing I like about Rob is he doesn't take himself seriously.

630
00:31:34.490 --> 00:31:37.351
I hate that as much as I hate the vulnerable thing.

631
00:31:37.671 --> 00:31:38.732
Because I do take myself.

632
00:31:38.932 --> 00:31:41.653
If I'm not going to take myself seriously, who the fuck is going to take myself seriously?

633
00:31:41.673 --> 00:31:42.254
You're not a caricature.

634
00:31:42.474 --> 00:31:43.154
No, but you know what I mean?

635
00:31:43.174 --> 00:31:44.054
But they use it all the time.

636
00:31:44.074 --> 00:31:51.758
But what they're saying is, I'm willing to discuss...

637
00:31:53.466 --> 00:31:55.408
And not hide my flaws.

638
00:31:55.728 --> 00:31:55.928
Yeah.

639
00:31:56.388 --> 00:32:00.131
I hate the phrase, he doesn't take himself seriously.

640
00:32:00.251 --> 00:32:00.472
Yeah.

641
00:32:01.112 --> 00:32:02.233
To the contrary, bro.

642
00:32:02.673 --> 00:32:03.714
Take himself really seriously.

643
00:32:03.734 --> 00:32:05.075
I mean, I've worked on myself.

644
00:32:05.175 --> 00:32:08.618
I'm not running nilly-willy around the fucking world.

645
00:32:09.098 --> 00:32:12.161
But the notion of being self-deprecating.

646
00:32:12.181 --> 00:32:13.102
Let's talk about that, too.

647
00:32:13.182 --> 00:32:14.102
Because, again...

648
00:32:15.400 --> 00:32:20.644
If you watch all of my heroes would go on talk shows and be so funny about themselves.

649
00:32:20.704 --> 00:32:21.465
Burt Reynolds.

650
00:32:21.485 --> 00:32:22.325
Yeah.

651
00:32:22.465 --> 00:32:23.806
Fucking Kennedy's press.

652
00:32:23.826 --> 00:32:25.608
You ever seen John Kennedy's press conferences?

653
00:32:25.868 --> 00:32:25.988
Uh-uh.

654
00:32:26.589 --> 00:32:27.489
Oh, they're amazing.

655
00:32:27.509 --> 00:32:28.430
They're like one-man shows.

656
00:32:29.591 --> 00:32:31.272
He gets up there and he's making fun.

657
00:32:31.632 --> 00:32:35.695
He's taking the piss, like the English would say, taking the piss out of himself.

658
00:32:37.497 --> 00:32:42.340
That to me is so much more attractive than someone is trying to show you how cool they are.

659
00:32:42.541 --> 00:32:42.761
Yeah.

660
00:32:43.141 --> 00:32:43.621
All the time.

661
00:32:43.842 --> 00:32:43.962
Yeah.

662
00:32:43.982 --> 00:32:44.082
Yeah.

663
00:32:45.348 --> 00:32:46.189
And I think it's relatable.

664
00:32:46.610 --> 00:32:48.652
I mean, because we're all bundled.

665
00:32:48.752 --> 00:32:55.339
It's much more relatable when people are self-deprecating or at least willing to point out their flaws because we're all bundles of insecurity.

666
00:32:55.359 --> 00:32:56.520
We're all imperfect.

667
00:32:56.960 --> 00:33:00.624
And when somebody presents themselves as perfect, it actually makes them very difficult to relate to.

668
00:33:00.884 --> 00:33:01.085
Yes.

669
00:33:01.665 --> 00:33:04.068
You know, where when somebody shows us

670
00:33:04.368 --> 00:33:06.689
Well, because we also know... We also know it's not true.

671
00:33:06.709 --> 00:33:08.649
Going back to... Yeah, so you know it's not authentic.

672
00:33:08.829 --> 00:33:08.989
Yeah.

673
00:33:09.029 --> 00:33:10.510
You immediately know, well, they're not authentic.

674
00:33:11.110 --> 00:33:13.011
Okay, so going back to what it takes to be authentic.

675
00:33:13.031 --> 00:33:18.112
So being authentic means willing to make yourself available, willing to show who the real you is.

676
00:33:18.472 --> 00:33:18.752
And that...

677
00:33:20.733 --> 00:33:24.334
And that means talking about mistakes, fears, anxieties.

678
00:33:24.534 --> 00:33:31.636
I mean, you, and I think having a healthy sense of humor about oneself is a sign of great self-confidence, not the opposite.

679
00:33:31.656 --> 00:33:34.517
It's, remember, we all went to school with the kid who could dish it out but couldn't take it.

680
00:33:34.917 --> 00:33:35.177
Yes.

681
00:33:35.417 --> 00:33:38.778
And I have great respect for the kids who can dish it out and who can take it.

682
00:33:39.299 --> 00:33:39.579
Same.

683
00:33:39.739 --> 00:33:39.939
Right?

684
00:33:40.739 --> 00:33:44.581
And that's right when you see, I'm just thinking of something like Peyton Manning.

685
00:33:44.801 --> 00:33:45.041
Yeah.

686
00:33:45.542 --> 00:33:55.707
Or you see these athletes, you see certain athletes who get into a broadcast booth and they're just kind of, because they're scared and they're trying to be perfect and they have an image to maintain and whatever.

687
00:33:55.727 --> 00:33:59.088
And then you get a guy like Peyton Manning, you just like- Making fun of his forehead.

688
00:33:59.148 --> 00:34:05.291
Making fun of himself and like, he's like, well, I wasn't exactly the most nimble guy in the pocket, but this guy over here, like-

689
00:34:08.413 --> 00:34:09.113
We love that.

690
00:34:09.213 --> 00:34:10.673
We love that kind of stuff.

691
00:34:10.713 --> 00:34:15.055
And I think that the great entertainers and the great public figures always knew that.

692
00:34:15.455 --> 00:34:19.397
And my guess is that's something that everybody could learn from a little bit.

693
00:34:19.597 --> 00:34:20.557
Is there a line though?

694
00:34:20.697 --> 00:34:29.340
Because we live in a world where authenticity, and now I'm putting it in air quotes, is performative.

695
00:34:30.738 --> 00:34:30.938
Right.

696
00:34:31.138 --> 00:34:35.240
Where there's some social media influencer or just somebody on social media.

697
00:34:35.260 --> 00:34:36.481
The fake man of the people stuff.

698
00:34:36.501 --> 00:34:46.525
The fake, not just fake man of the people, but like, but just the, just the like, how many takes do I take talking about how I'm struggling with my dot, dot, dot, you know?

699
00:34:47.145 --> 00:34:47.305
Yep.

700
00:34:47.665 --> 00:34:55.109
And it's like, like where, by the way, if I were, if I were running straight inauthentic man of the people game on you.

701
00:34:55.129 --> 00:34:55.289
Yeah.

702
00:34:55.309 --> 00:34:55.469
Yeah.

703
00:34:55.969 --> 00:34:56.690
Which is the thing.

704
00:34:57.050 --> 00:35:09.180
I would have showed up not only without the makeup and hair people, but I would have showed up making sure you are very well aware that I'm such a... Dude, I'm just a regular guy, man.

705
00:35:09.240 --> 00:35:11.321
I'm a man of the people, dude.

706
00:35:12.562 --> 00:35:14.584
I'm not even sure I brushed my teeth today.

707
00:35:15.725 --> 00:35:16.786
I could have run that one on you.

708
00:35:17.106 --> 00:35:18.607
Yeah.

709
00:35:18.847 --> 00:35:20.108
It's complete bullshit.

710
00:35:20.468 --> 00:35:20.629
Yeah.

711
00:35:20.689 --> 00:35:21.910
It's just a different type of bullshit.

712
00:35:22.090 --> 00:35:22.210
Yeah.

713
00:35:22.230 --> 00:35:22.330
Yeah.

714
00:35:23.827 --> 00:35:25.168
Has social media kind of lost the plot?

715
00:35:25.228 --> 00:35:26.869
Is it just becoming our new entertainment?

716
00:35:26.889 --> 00:35:27.790
Is it just the new theater?

717
00:35:27.990 --> 00:35:40.379
Where it started off as people telling their real stories, and now it's people telling their real stories-ish, but it's scripted, it's lit, it's angled, it's, you know, I know where to put the... Is it like everybody, like...

718
00:35:41.139 --> 00:35:43.501
Everybody knows what their angles are.

719
00:35:43.921 --> 00:35:45.722
Everybody knows to lift the camera a little high.

720
00:35:45.762 --> 00:35:48.104
Everybody knows to put the light behind the photographer.

721
00:35:48.144 --> 00:35:49.444
Everybody knows the basics.

722
00:35:49.725 --> 00:35:51.326
Some people know more than the basics.

723
00:35:51.486 --> 00:35:54.087
My favorite is watching people pose for selfies on the street.

724
00:35:54.388 --> 00:35:57.910
And every single person now knows what only we used to know.

725
00:35:59.551 --> 00:35:59.751
Right.

726
00:36:00.111 --> 00:36:05.655
You know, like the Olsen twins, when they, you know, what they did famously, they created the prune.

727
00:36:05.675 --> 00:36:06.476
Do you know what prune?

728
00:36:07.216 --> 00:36:12.520
Men don't have to do it, but gals, if you're getting your picture taken, people say, say cheese.

729
00:36:12.580 --> 00:36:13.201
I don't get that.

730
00:36:13.221 --> 00:36:18.364
But if you go prune, you say prune, you get cheekbones.

731
00:36:18.384 --> 00:36:20.346
You get trot pout and cheekbones.

732
00:36:22.747 --> 00:36:26.610
See, the fact that I know this and I'm willing to share it openly is...

733
00:36:27.287 --> 00:36:29.871
You're like the magician revealing the secrets.

734
00:36:30.151 --> 00:36:32.875
Well, I have red carpet looks.

735
00:36:32.935 --> 00:36:36.681
I've got Man of the People, I've got Blue Steel, and I've got Iconic.

736
00:36:39.505 --> 00:36:40.286
You have names for them.

737
00:36:40.486 --> 00:36:40.646
Yeah.

738
00:36:40.947 --> 00:36:41.307
Can you?

739
00:36:41.908 --> 00:36:42.169
Right now?

740
00:36:42.309 --> 00:36:43.711
Yeah, Man of the People, please.

741
00:36:47.158 --> 00:36:54.786
Man of the People is when you see Tom Cruise at the line reaching out to sign thousands of autographs.

742
00:36:54.866 --> 00:36:55.887
He's doing Man of the People.

743
00:36:55.967 --> 00:36:56.268
Okay.

744
00:36:56.908 --> 00:36:58.550
Blue Steel?

745
00:36:59.071 --> 00:37:02.635
And then Blue Steel is... Like the red carpet.

746
00:37:02.695 --> 00:37:03.435
You've got your angles.

747
00:37:03.916 --> 00:37:04.817
You're doing your angles.

748
00:37:04.837 --> 00:37:05.357
Step and repeat.

749
00:37:05.417 --> 00:37:06.278
Yeah, you've got...

750
00:37:06.999 --> 00:37:07.539
Rob, over here.

751
00:37:07.579 --> 00:37:08.040
Rob, over here.

752
00:37:08.060 --> 00:37:08.420
It's that one.

753
00:37:08.440 --> 00:37:10.421
You want to show the watch that they've lent you.

754
00:37:10.581 --> 00:37:10.841
Yeah.

755
00:37:11.721 --> 00:37:15.183
And you need to show that because otherwise you're not getting a watch lent.

756
00:37:15.203 --> 00:37:16.964
So the question is, how do you get your hand up here?

757
00:37:17.004 --> 00:37:20.606
So it has to be you're caught mid move like this.

758
00:37:20.726 --> 00:37:22.967
That's a good, that's iconic.

759
00:37:23.147 --> 00:37:23.347
Yeah.

760
00:37:23.367 --> 00:37:30.491
Also looking up and off is always, the presidential photographs are always hopefully looking off to the horizon.

761
00:37:31.031 --> 00:37:32.092
But the horizon's not down here.

762
00:37:32.112 --> 00:37:32.212
Yeah.

763
00:37:33.212 --> 00:37:57.392
horizon's up there so you're looking up to the horizon and um so yeah those are those are the three the best is i i i told chris pratt that with mutual friends with pratt and early on when he was just becoming a movie star he literally called me he calls me rollo rollo i'm in the car i'm on the way to the right car what are the three what are the three again man of the people iconic and what's the other i got blue yeah yeah yeah okay thanks rollo

764
00:38:00.859 --> 00:38:04.701
But this is the point, which is you understand it's an industry, it's a game.

765
00:38:04.942 --> 00:38:05.682
It's a game.

766
00:38:06.062 --> 00:38:06.723
There's a goof.

767
00:38:06.923 --> 00:38:08.304
There's a role to play.

768
00:38:08.564 --> 00:38:08.744
Yes.

769
00:38:09.044 --> 00:38:14.948
And if you play a role with a nudge and a wink, this is the secret to longevity, which is you take it seriously.

770
00:38:15.028 --> 00:38:15.849
Really seriously.

771
00:38:17.269 --> 00:38:18.130
But not too seriously.

772
00:38:18.170 --> 00:38:19.731
Well, you know, it's not self-important.

773
00:38:19.791 --> 00:38:20.732
It's not self-important.

774
00:38:20.752 --> 00:38:25.855
And the other thing is, like, I see there's another thing that actors do where they go, they want you to think, like...

775
00:38:27.508 --> 00:38:31.892
You know, I didn't do up this tie because, you know, I'm above all this.

776
00:38:31.932 --> 00:38:33.153
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

777
00:38:33.173 --> 00:38:37.697
You know, this premiere that I've flown to France to do.

778
00:38:37.877 --> 00:38:38.117
Yeah.

779
00:38:38.738 --> 00:38:39.539
And this tux.

780
00:38:39.899 --> 00:38:40.119
Yeah.

781
00:38:40.319 --> 00:38:42.862
That I've either bought or rented or had fitted.

782
00:38:42.882 --> 00:38:43.382
Yeah.

783
00:38:45.084 --> 00:38:45.764
But I'm above all this.

784
00:38:45.784 --> 00:38:46.665
I'm kind of above it.

785
00:38:46.845 --> 00:38:47.065
Yeah.

786
00:38:47.206 --> 00:38:48.727
And you can tell, you know why?

787
00:38:48.747 --> 00:38:49.748
Because my tie's loose.

788
00:38:49.868 --> 00:38:51.089
Because my tie's loose.

789
00:38:51.489 --> 00:38:51.750
See?

790
00:38:52.550 --> 00:38:53.191
Just so you know.

791
00:38:53.911 --> 00:38:54.812
It's all bullshit.

792
00:38:55.572 --> 00:38:58.914
It's more bullshitty than doing your fucking tie up.

793
00:38:59.034 --> 00:39:00.295
You are going back to that tennis.

794
00:39:00.735 --> 00:39:02.096
Now everybody is out there Googling.

795
00:39:02.957 --> 00:39:05.659
I'm going to get a phone call from Joaquin Phoenix immediately.

796
00:39:07.240 --> 00:39:09.501
That tennis analogy is.

797
00:39:09.541 --> 00:39:10.101
Premier, bro.

798
00:39:10.722 --> 00:39:11.302
You know you're there.

799
00:39:12.103 --> 00:39:12.663
You know you're there.

800
00:39:13.424 --> 00:39:14.044
I know you're there.

801
00:39:15.025 --> 00:39:15.765
Everybody knows you're there.

802
00:39:16.345 --> 00:39:17.626
You don't mind pissing people off.

803
00:39:18.607 --> 00:39:20.628
You don't mind pissing people off.

804
00:39:21.269 --> 00:39:23.190
Or do they just know that you're having fun?

805
00:39:23.817 --> 00:39:24.318
They have to.

806
00:39:24.358 --> 00:39:27.804
Listen, if somebody, if the shoe were on the other foot, I'd be like, I fucking love.

807
00:39:28.165 --> 00:39:28.525
Dude, I.

808
00:39:29.206 --> 00:39:31.070
If you're being made fun of, you're relevant.

809
00:39:31.090 --> 00:39:31.891
Bro, I'm watching Family.

810
00:39:31.911 --> 00:39:33.334
Because we can't make fun of Lily and Gish.

811
00:39:33.855 --> 00:39:34.295
She's dead.

812
00:39:34.676 --> 00:39:35.638
Can't make fun of dead people.

813
00:39:35.658 --> 00:39:35.718
Oh.

814
00:39:37.180 --> 00:39:37.560
Okay, fine.

815
00:39:37.680 --> 00:39:38.220
Bad example.

816
00:39:38.240 --> 00:39:39.561
Okay, so I'm trying to...

817
00:39:39.581 --> 00:39:40.621
Okay, I've got to surface.

818
00:39:40.641 --> 00:39:43.061
So I'm watching Family Guy with my boys.

819
00:39:43.861 --> 00:39:44.742
They're probably 10 and 11.

820
00:39:44.782 --> 00:39:46.722
Dad, you've got to watch Family Guy.

821
00:39:46.742 --> 00:39:47.482
You've got to watch Family Guy.

822
00:39:48.202 --> 00:39:50.323
Funniest show ever I watch.

823
00:39:50.823 --> 00:39:52.803
It's not the first episode I watch, but it's funny.

824
00:39:52.823 --> 00:39:53.804
It's a really funny show.

825
00:39:54.204 --> 00:39:59.365
And I'm watching it, and then there's an episode where Stewie, the crazy little baby, goes to Hollywood.

826
00:40:00.645 --> 00:40:01.546
And he's in a makeup chair.

827
00:40:02.367 --> 00:40:06.090
And this flamboyant man is doing his makeup.

828
00:40:07.011 --> 00:40:11.235
And the scene begins with Stewie going, Oh, please, just let me do one more.

829
00:40:11.315 --> 00:40:12.316
Can I do one more?

830
00:40:13.136 --> 00:40:16.359
And the makeup guy goes, Of course, you can do one more.

831
00:40:16.379 --> 00:40:18.241
And he goes, Rob Lowe.

832
00:40:19.842 --> 00:40:21.104
And he goes, straight?

833
00:40:21.784 --> 00:40:22.545
And she goes, no!

834
00:40:24.286 --> 00:40:25.808
I never would have known it to look at him.

835
00:40:27.778 --> 00:40:30.841
And I thought it was the great, it's amazing.

836
00:40:30.901 --> 00:40:32.322
And I called Seth MacFarlane.

837
00:40:32.382 --> 00:40:32.622
Yeah.

838
00:40:33.403 --> 00:40:41.469
I go, dude, that's the funny, and we became friends and I've done a bunch of family guys and we've worked together a bunch, but he's gotten a lot of phone calls that were- How dare you?

839
00:40:41.509 --> 00:40:41.989
How dare you?

840
00:40:42.950 --> 00:40:45.471
But to be made fun of means you're relevant.

841
00:40:45.491 --> 00:40:46.231
You're in the zeitgeist.

842
00:40:46.251 --> 00:40:50.853
Because nobody makes fun of people unless you're making fun of the has-been-ness of them.

843
00:40:51.613 --> 00:40:52.934
Yeah, I'm not taking a shot.

844
00:40:53.094 --> 00:40:54.315
Which is mean-spirited.

845
00:40:54.395 --> 00:40:57.376
I can take a fake-ass shot at Joaquin Phoenix because he's one of my favorite actors.

846
00:40:57.496 --> 00:40:57.656
Right.

847
00:40:57.676 --> 00:40:58.756
He's one of my favorite actors.

848
00:40:58.776 --> 00:41:00.137
He's one of the greatest actors we've ever had.

849
00:41:00.277 --> 00:41:00.457
Right.

850
00:41:00.837 --> 00:41:02.758
He can still do his tie-up, but he's a great actor.

851
00:41:02.918 --> 00:41:03.118
Yeah.

852
00:41:04.078 --> 00:41:05.819
If you weren't in show business, what would you be doing?

853
00:41:06.539 --> 00:41:08.420
I may not be in show business after this interview comes out.

854
00:41:08.480 --> 00:41:08.980
That's true.

855
00:41:09.701 --> 00:41:10.601
You didn't go to college.

856
00:41:12.712 --> 00:41:14.373
That could not be more clear.

857
00:41:14.673 --> 00:41:15.974
He clearly did not go to college.

858
00:41:16.134 --> 00:41:16.575
No, no, you.

859
00:41:16.835 --> 00:41:17.335
Yeah, he didn't.

860
00:41:17.415 --> 00:41:17.715
Oh, yeah.

861
00:41:17.975 --> 00:41:21.077
But I don't mean it in a mean way.

862
00:41:21.117 --> 00:41:21.377
No, I know.

863
00:41:21.657 --> 00:41:23.238
I mean, just like, I'm like, serious.

864
00:41:23.258 --> 00:41:25.760
Like, you have been an actor your whole life.

865
00:41:26.740 --> 00:41:28.141
Like, what else could you do?

866
00:41:28.301 --> 00:41:28.621
Nothing.

867
00:41:28.801 --> 00:41:29.101
Nothing.

868
00:41:29.161 --> 00:41:30.462
Like, if this doesn't work out.

869
00:41:30.542 --> 00:41:30.882
Oh, bro.

870
00:41:31.783 --> 00:41:32.683
I can't change a light bulb.

871
00:41:33.784 --> 00:41:34.764
If this doesn't work out.

872
00:41:34.784 --> 00:41:37.646
This is it for me.

873
00:41:40.932 --> 00:41:46.934
My dad used to say, when I was 12, he used to say tons of supportive shit like this.

874
00:41:48.014 --> 00:41:50.574
You either better grow up to be a movie star or a prince.

875
00:41:53.895 --> 00:41:55.096
And royal family wasn't available.

876
00:41:55.396 --> 00:41:55.856
Oh, I tried.

877
00:41:57.336 --> 00:41:57.816
Go on.

878
00:41:58.156 --> 00:41:58.897
Princess Stephanie.

879
00:41:59.877 --> 00:42:00.977
I dated her for like five years.

880
00:42:01.997 --> 00:42:02.697
Five months, whatever.

881
00:42:02.717 --> 00:42:03.458
It felt like five years.

882
00:42:04.558 --> 00:42:04.958
I tried.

883
00:42:04.978 --> 00:42:05.618
I was like, I don't know.

884
00:42:05.638 --> 00:42:06.358
You tried Prince.

885
00:42:07.159 --> 00:42:07.719
I tried.

886
00:42:07.799 --> 00:42:08.639
I'm not cut out for it.

887
00:42:10.389 --> 00:42:11.890
I would have liked the diplomatic immunity.

888
00:42:11.910 --> 00:42:14.711
That would have been great.

889
00:42:14.751 --> 00:42:18.253
Like to have the pouch that you can put shit in all over the world and park wherever you want.

890
00:42:18.273 --> 00:42:19.153
Just like in a red light.

891
00:42:19.173 --> 00:42:19.633
Just get out.

892
00:42:21.614 --> 00:42:22.195
Not built for it.

893
00:42:22.895 --> 00:42:24.296
What was it about?

894
00:42:24.316 --> 00:42:28.337
A lot of long late dinners with people that you don't want to be with.

895
00:42:28.477 --> 00:42:28.698
Yeah.

896
00:42:28.798 --> 00:42:29.478
And nobody works.

897
00:42:31.085 --> 00:42:33.026
But you have long late dinners with people who don't know be with you.

898
00:42:33.046 --> 00:42:34.866
Is there anybody else I can trash in this podcast?

899
00:42:35.567 --> 00:42:42.949
I mean, this is the episode we can call it, the one where Rob Lowe trashes everybody who ever, yeah.

900
00:42:42.969 --> 00:42:43.650
Am I trashing?

901
00:42:43.810 --> 00:42:44.250
No, you're not.

902
00:42:44.270 --> 00:42:44.790
We're having fun.

903
00:42:44.810 --> 00:42:45.770
Okay.

904
00:42:45.830 --> 00:42:47.211
And we're doing authenticity.

905
00:42:47.691 --> 00:42:48.612
We're doing authenticity.

906
00:42:48.632 --> 00:42:49.812
We're pointing out the obvious.

907
00:42:49.832 --> 00:42:51.493
We're pointing out the things that everybody already knows.

908
00:42:51.733 --> 00:42:52.593
That's the thing.

909
00:42:52.633 --> 00:42:54.054
I think that's what authenticity is, right?

910
00:42:54.394 --> 00:42:54.634
Yes.

911
00:42:54.794 --> 00:42:56.714
Which is like, why are you presenting to be perfect?

912
00:42:56.735 --> 00:42:57.555
We all know you're not.

913
00:42:58.195 --> 00:43:00.256
Yes, because we're not.

914
00:43:00.396 --> 00:43:05.538
Like we all know, we all know that everybody else tied the tie for their tuxedo.

915
00:43:05.758 --> 00:43:06.778
We all know that you didn't.

916
00:43:07.218 --> 00:43:13.540
Like it's like either a stylist told you that would look cool, you decided it would look cool, or it's an affectation.

917
00:43:14.421 --> 00:43:18.022
Or maybe it's really your personality and you don't want to be at the thing and you're begrudgingly there.

918
00:43:18.742 --> 00:43:19.382
Which is a thing.

919
00:43:19.402 --> 00:43:19.822
Which is a thing.

920
00:43:19.882 --> 00:43:20.263
I get that.

921
00:43:20.623 --> 00:43:21.103
I get that.

922
00:43:21.403 --> 00:43:21.963
I do get that.

923
00:43:22.023 --> 00:43:25.944
And all you want to be is an actor but your contract says you've got to go That's real for people.

924
00:43:25.984 --> 00:43:27.885
You've got to go do the press.

925
00:43:28.145 --> 00:43:30.106
I have respect and empathy for that.

926
00:43:30.126 --> 00:43:33.587
There's a lot of actors who begrudgingly go on talk shows.

927
00:43:33.607 --> 00:43:37.048
I have total respect and empathy for people who are not

928
00:43:38.322 --> 00:43:39.883
They're not marketers.

929
00:43:39.903 --> 00:43:42.483
And they're not comfortable in that lane.

930
00:43:42.523 --> 00:43:44.104
And I understand that.

931
00:43:44.184 --> 00:43:44.884
I really, really do.

932
00:43:44.944 --> 00:43:48.526
But I also understand it's a part of the job.

933
00:43:48.606 --> 00:43:52.087
So for me, it's way – like meeting people on the street.

934
00:43:52.727 --> 00:43:53.667
I love people.

935
00:43:53.867 --> 00:43:54.528
I love meeting them.

936
00:43:54.548 --> 00:43:55.268
I love talking to them.

937
00:43:55.568 --> 00:44:03.351
It's way easier for me to take a picture, to say hello, than to say – I'm sorry I don't take pictures.

938
00:44:03.391 --> 00:44:03.571
Yes.

939
00:44:04.351 --> 00:44:04.551
Yes.

940
00:44:04.631 --> 00:44:06.232
I've seen people do that to kids in a wheelchair.

941
00:44:07.052 --> 00:44:07.232
Yeah.

942
00:44:07.623 --> 00:44:08.544
I've seen it with my own eyes.

943
00:44:09.825 --> 00:44:11.868
And when I go, what's that about?

944
00:44:11.948 --> 00:44:16.573
They say, if I make an exception here, I have to make an exception for everybody.

945
00:44:17.033 --> 00:44:18.074
And I've just made a rule.

946
00:44:18.134 --> 00:44:20.637
I am not taking pictures with people.

947
00:44:20.877 --> 00:44:21.658
I'll say hello to them.

948
00:44:21.958 --> 00:44:23.240
I'll have a conversation with them.

949
00:44:23.760 --> 00:44:25.943
And I get the end of the day, take the fucking picture and move on.

950
00:44:26.203 --> 00:44:27.343
Do you want to hear the best story I heard?

951
00:44:27.443 --> 00:44:28.744
I just heard this last night.

952
00:44:29.924 --> 00:44:32.825
So Paul McCartney, arguably one of the most famous people in the world.

953
00:44:33.125 --> 00:44:33.445
Amazing.

954
00:44:33.885 --> 00:44:35.646
No one's Beatles proof, as he said.

955
00:44:35.806 --> 00:44:36.506
It's amazing.

956
00:44:36.526 --> 00:44:37.166
That's what he said.

957
00:44:37.306 --> 00:44:38.226
Yeah, no one's Beatles proof.

958
00:44:39.107 --> 00:44:41.747
And people come up to him.

959
00:44:41.908 --> 00:44:43.308
They muster up the courage to come up to him.

960
00:44:43.988 --> 00:44:48.570
And back in the day, before there were cell phones, can I take a picture with you?

961
00:44:48.590 --> 00:44:49.390
Can I take a picture of you?

962
00:44:49.691 --> 00:44:50.731
And he would always say the same thing.

963
00:44:50.751 --> 00:44:51.631
I'm terribly sorry.

964
00:44:52.092 --> 00:44:53.092
I'm happy to talk to you.

965
00:44:53.732 --> 00:44:55.833
I'm happy to chat, but I don't take pictures.

966
00:44:55.853 --> 00:44:58.514
If I take one, it'll be madness.

967
00:44:58.534 --> 00:44:59.275
It'll be a feeding friend.

968
00:45:02.096 --> 00:45:02.817
Totally understand that.

969
00:45:30.053 --> 00:45:31.073
It's my wife's birthday.

970
00:45:33.034 --> 00:45:33.794
All she would love.

971
00:45:33.834 --> 00:45:34.975
She's a huge fan.

972
00:45:35.435 --> 00:45:37.095
Please, can she have her picture with you?

973
00:45:37.615 --> 00:45:40.376
You know, he goes, I'm sorry, I don't take pictures.

974
00:45:40.456 --> 00:45:42.457
He goes, but your picture, that's with firemen.

975
00:45:42.817 --> 00:45:45.038
I took that with firemen, but I'm sorry, I don't take pictures.

976
00:45:45.078 --> 00:45:45.738
I'm terribly sorry.

977
00:45:46.078 --> 00:45:48.159
I appreciate you asking, but I'm sorry, I don't take pictures.

978
00:45:48.619 --> 00:45:52.340
Paul McCartney gets up to walk out of the restaurant, walks over to the table and sings her happy birthday.

979
00:45:54.893 --> 00:45:55.394
Okay.

980
00:45:56.336 --> 00:45:56.978
That is better.

981
00:45:57.459 --> 00:45:58.521
That is better than a picture.

982
00:45:59.283 --> 00:46:00.065
That is a story.

983
00:46:00.325 --> 00:46:01.267
That's amazing.

984
00:46:01.327 --> 00:46:02.410
There's something about a photo.

985
00:46:02.891 --> 00:46:04.975
It's irrefutable evidence.

986
00:46:06.913 --> 00:46:09.034
You can share with everybody of the moment.

987
00:46:09.134 --> 00:46:10.395
I get why people want photos.

988
00:46:10.415 --> 00:46:10.635
No, no.

989
00:46:10.695 --> 00:46:11.635
I have photos with people.

990
00:46:12.015 --> 00:46:15.317
Like, I don't get starstruck with many people.

991
00:46:15.797 --> 00:46:19.059
But there are some that I really— And by the way, I did one with Paul.

992
00:46:19.099 --> 00:46:20.259
The last time I saw Paul— Yes, you have to.

993
00:46:20.339 --> 00:46:25.662
The last time I saw Paul was at his last concert, and he just showed up to the VIP.

994
00:46:25.682 --> 00:46:28.383
I said, please—and it's in my last book.

995
00:46:28.423 --> 00:46:30.924
It's a picture of me standing there, and he's got the look of like, get it over with.

996
00:46:32.526 --> 00:46:32.847
But I made it.

997
00:46:32.867 --> 00:46:33.349
But it's your picture.

998
00:46:33.369 --> 00:46:33.670
You know what?

999
00:46:33.830 --> 00:46:35.456
And here's the thing is... Because you have to.

1000
00:46:35.696 --> 00:46:36.298
Are these guys...

1001
00:46:36.318 --> 00:46:37.563
The other thing is...

1002
00:46:38.385 --> 00:46:45.511
But there's a level of celebrity that is, it's otherworldly of which he is one of the- Yeah, the other one was Redford I did it with.

1003
00:46:45.631 --> 00:46:45.911
Yeah.

1004
00:46:46.512 --> 00:46:47.953
Where I was like, I just, I don't give a shit.

1005
00:46:48.613 --> 00:46:49.314
I'm taking self-ooth.

1006
00:46:49.334 --> 00:46:51.796
But I think it's fun when celebrities are starstruck by celebrities.

1007
00:46:51.816 --> 00:46:52.236
Yes!

1008
00:46:52.576 --> 00:46:53.517
It's like, we are the world.

1009
00:46:53.537 --> 00:46:54.678
They're all like, I can't, what?

1010
00:46:54.878 --> 00:46:56.019
Like they're all looking around the room.

1011
00:46:56.039 --> 00:46:56.860
My favorite documentary at the last.

1012
00:46:56.880 --> 00:46:58.041
It was an amazing documentary.

1013
00:46:58.421 --> 00:46:59.382
Why was Dan Aykroyd there?

1014
00:46:59.682 --> 00:47:00.303
That's what I say.

1015
00:47:00.423 --> 00:47:00.963
I could have been there.

1016
00:47:01.023 --> 00:47:02.324
I was, I'm gonna go.

1017
00:47:02.745 --> 00:47:03.105
I'm sorry.

1018
00:47:03.645 --> 00:47:04.086
It's 1985?

1019
00:47:04.226 --> 00:47:06.267
Yeah, you were- Hello?

1020
00:47:06.428 --> 00:47:06.688
I know.

1021
00:47:06.908 --> 00:47:07.348
The fuck?

1022
00:47:08.309 --> 00:47:11.793
It really made me request like really go back.

1023
00:47:11.833 --> 00:47:13.174
And we know you can sing.

1024
00:47:13.895 --> 00:47:15.136
And we know I can fake sing.

1025
00:47:15.336 --> 00:47:15.537
Yeah.

1026
00:47:15.697 --> 00:47:17.459
And there's no bigger Springsteen.

1027
00:47:17.499 --> 00:47:18.279
I was in the cut.

1028
00:47:18.940 --> 00:47:21.082
I was like, but then again, Madonna wasn't there either.

1029
00:47:21.583 --> 00:47:24.646
Were you at the Emmys?

1030
00:47:24.666 --> 00:47:25.827
That was the American Music Awards.

1031
00:47:25.847 --> 00:47:26.368
Oh, it was the American.

1032
00:47:26.428 --> 00:47:26.648
Okay.

1033
00:47:26.788 --> 00:47:28.470
Because they were all there because.

1034
00:47:28.550 --> 00:47:30.332
Dan Aykroyd wasn't at the American Music Awards.

1035
00:47:30.352 --> 00:47:30.472
Yeah.

1036
00:47:32.462 --> 00:47:33.242
I still don't know why.

1037
00:47:33.262 --> 00:47:34.223
Was he supplying the drugs?

1038
00:47:34.303 --> 00:47:37.904
It never, they never touched upon it in the documentary why Dan Aykroyd was there.

1039
00:47:38.724 --> 00:47:38.944
No.

1040
00:47:38.984 --> 00:47:40.465
Does Dan Aykroyd know why Dan Aykroyd was there?

1041
00:47:40.485 --> 00:47:42.345
Maybe it's a blues, he does have Blues Brothers.

1042
00:47:42.806 --> 00:47:43.966
That's a real thing.

1043
00:47:44.146 --> 00:47:44.986
And he can sing.

1044
00:47:45.466 --> 00:47:46.147
He's the Blues Brothers.

1045
00:47:46.167 --> 00:47:46.267
Yeah.

1046
00:47:46.287 --> 00:47:48.227
They're real like sold out arenas.

1047
00:47:48.427 --> 00:47:48.868
That's true.

1048
00:47:49.008 --> 00:47:49.248
Okay.

1049
00:47:49.568 --> 00:47:50.148
I'll give him that.

1050
00:47:50.708 --> 00:47:50.908
Yeah.

1051
00:47:50.988 --> 00:47:51.809
And it was up to time.

1052
00:47:51.949 --> 00:47:52.929
I feel better about myself.

1053
00:47:52.949 --> 00:47:53.169
Okay.

1054
00:47:53.529 --> 00:47:53.869
Thank you.

1055
00:47:53.929 --> 00:47:54.349
Yeah, that's right.

1056
00:47:54.409 --> 00:47:58.611
You didn't have a Blues Brothers type film and you weren't selling out arenas for your singing.

1057
00:47:58.631 --> 00:48:01.312
I was fake playing the saxophone and saying almost fire at that

1058
00:48:02.172 --> 00:48:05.633
Did you at least take some training of where to put your fingers or were you literally just making up whatever?

1059
00:48:05.733 --> 00:48:06.313
A little bit of both.

1060
00:48:06.413 --> 00:48:06.973
A little bit of both.

1061
00:48:07.614 --> 00:48:14.236
I'm always fascinated how much effort celebrities, or actors, not celebrities, actors put in for a part, like you have to learn the violin.

1062
00:48:14.296 --> 00:48:14.736
Yeah.

1063
00:48:14.836 --> 00:48:17.497
And you can tell if they're getting it, they're just making it up.

1064
00:48:17.557 --> 00:48:19.157
And now with AI, you don't need to do any of it.

1065
00:48:19.197 --> 00:48:20.218
That's true.

1066
00:48:20.238 --> 00:48:21.198
Have you done fighting scenes?

1067
00:48:21.918 --> 00:48:22.138
Sure.

1068
00:48:22.258 --> 00:48:22.659
Lots of them.

1069
00:48:23.059 --> 00:48:23.539
Like, are you good?

1070
00:48:23.599 --> 00:48:25.661
Like, how many skills do you have?

1071
00:48:25.941 --> 00:48:26.221
I have.

1072
00:48:26.341 --> 00:48:26.541
Oh, dude.

1073
00:48:26.561 --> 00:48:28.182
That you'd have never thought you would have.

1074
00:48:28.262 --> 00:48:28.723
Can I tell you?

1075
00:48:29.123 --> 00:48:29.843
Can you sword fight?

1076
00:48:29.863 --> 00:48:29.923
My.

1077
00:48:30.604 --> 00:48:31.565
Can you shoot a gun?

1078
00:48:32.185 --> 00:48:37.308
My abilities are literally a mile wide and an inch deep.

1079
00:48:37.388 --> 00:48:40.270
Like, I've played so many doctors.

1080
00:48:40.290 --> 00:48:48.596
Like, if you were to, God forbid, have a medical emergency right now, I could, I'm almost certain I could almost save your life.

1081
00:48:52.002 --> 00:48:55.446
I mean, just before we turned on the cameras, there was some smoke across the street.

1082
00:48:56.026 --> 00:48:58.588
And you literally said, I've played a fireman.

1083
00:48:59.009 --> 00:48:59.569
Don't worry.

1084
00:48:59.669 --> 00:49:00.310
It's okay.

1085
00:49:00.811 --> 00:49:01.471
It's white smoke.

1086
00:49:01.611 --> 00:49:01.851
Yeah.

1087
00:49:02.492 --> 00:49:06.035
I mean, you literally did the I played a doctor on TV.

1088
00:49:06.095 --> 00:49:09.378
And that's the beauty of what I get to do is I learn so much.

1089
00:49:10.059 --> 00:49:12.141
I have a lot of knowledge.

1090
00:49:12.161 --> 00:49:13.822
No, actually, I legit want to know.

1091
00:49:13.903 --> 00:49:15.044
I want to know the skills you have.

1092
00:49:15.524 --> 00:49:16.225
We know you can act.

1093
00:49:16.805 --> 00:49:17.286
We know you can.

1094
00:49:17.466 --> 00:49:18.367
We know you can play other people.

1095
00:49:18.387 --> 00:49:19.729
You can shoot guns, ride horses.

1096
00:49:19.749 --> 00:49:22.552
You know, I could put the fucking...

1097
00:49:23.513 --> 00:49:24.655
I was watching Mission Impossible.

1098
00:49:24.675 --> 00:49:27.478
Like, oh, they're going to put the pen in his lung to let the air out in.

1099
00:49:27.498 --> 00:49:27.839
They did it.

1100
00:49:27.899 --> 00:49:29.340
I'm like, I've done, like...

1101
00:49:30.539 --> 00:49:31.340
Rescue people.

1102
00:49:31.460 --> 00:49:37.709
What skills do you have that are applicable in the outside world that you learn because of a film or a TV show?

1103
00:49:37.749 --> 00:49:39.111
So riding a horse, got it.

1104
00:49:39.131 --> 00:49:40.493
You could ride a horse not on screen.

1105
00:49:41.094 --> 00:49:42.036
Shooting a gun, great.

1106
00:49:42.076 --> 00:49:42.616
You could shoot.

1107
00:49:42.917 --> 00:49:45.761
Could you pick up a gun, assemble it, and shoot it?

1108
00:49:45.941 --> 00:49:46.141
Yes.

1109
00:49:47.064 --> 00:50:09.202
blindfolded okay that's a skill i could um if you were to tie me up actually no later we'll talk later um turn off the cameras if you're if you're if you're to if you're to tie my hands behind my back and tie my feet and throw me into the deep end of your pool i could survive that's like a navy seal i played a phony baloney navy seal yeah

1110
00:50:10.018 --> 00:50:11.759
So you went through the training for a few days.

1111
00:50:11.899 --> 00:50:12.240
Yeah, buds.

1112
00:50:12.260 --> 00:50:12.580
Yeah, exactly.

1113
00:50:12.600 --> 00:50:13.180
A little bit of buds.

1114
00:50:13.300 --> 00:50:14.041
Yeah, totally.

1115
00:50:14.161 --> 00:50:16.763
So I can do ring pickups.

1116
00:50:16.823 --> 00:50:18.183
I can do a lot of- What's a ring pickup?

1117
00:50:18.264 --> 00:50:18.624
Ring pickup.

1118
00:50:18.644 --> 00:50:19.344
They don't do them anymore.

1119
00:50:19.364 --> 00:50:27.209
They're too violent even for the Navy SEALs, but you would surface in the middle of nowhere and you would tread water and put your arm in like a sea thing.

1120
00:50:27.249 --> 00:50:34.294
And then a Zodiac would come ripping down and would catch you and just flip you up into the- That sounds awful.

1121
00:50:34.594 --> 00:50:36.856
And the Navy SEALs only do it once.

1122
00:50:37.496 --> 00:51:02.836
what you do in the movie you're doing it 14 times what movie was this that you played a navy seal a terrible movie called the finest hour before chris pratt cornered the market on right on entertain military entertainment um i i there were only very few navy seal movies and and like i would go to buds and they're like i love your movie i'm like it's the only it's really there's only been two navy seal movies it was bad called the finest hour bad but i but again

1123
00:51:03.957 --> 00:51:10.262
The gift of that movie was that I got to learn a lot about that world and make a lot of friends in that world and have a little footprint in that world.

1124
00:51:10.282 --> 00:51:10.722
Yeah, yeah, yeah.

1125
00:51:10.922 --> 00:51:15.625
That's really one of the best things about the crazy life, which is you get to meet some amazing, amazing people.

1126
00:51:15.665 --> 00:51:15.865
Yes.

1127
00:51:16.866 --> 00:51:17.567
Yeah, for sure.

1128
00:51:18.027 --> 00:51:18.487
Yeah.

1129
00:51:18.927 --> 00:51:21.649
So Paul McCartney is one of the highlights of your career meeting Paul McCartney.

1130
00:51:22.550 --> 00:51:23.791
Cary Grant.

1131
00:51:25.132 --> 00:51:26.132
You know, all those.

1132
00:51:26.593 --> 00:51:28.434
Mick.

1133
00:51:28.514 --> 00:51:29.575
I mean, you get to meet your heroes.

1134
00:51:29.675 --> 00:51:31.116
There are very few people that I have an attitude.

1135
00:51:31.136 --> 00:51:32.577
They always say don't meet your heroes, though.

1136
00:51:33.748 --> 00:51:35.409
I would say don't get to know your heroes.

1137
00:51:35.650 --> 00:51:35.950
Okay.

1138
00:51:36.370 --> 00:51:37.231
Meeting is one thing.

1139
00:51:38.011 --> 00:51:38.352
Okay.

1140
00:51:38.472 --> 00:51:41.874
Like I'm friendly-ish with Bruce Springsteen.

1141
00:51:41.914 --> 00:51:42.135
Right.

1142
00:51:42.155 --> 00:51:42.855
He's my favorite.

1143
00:51:43.396 --> 00:51:43.996
He's my guy.

1144
00:51:44.216 --> 00:51:44.436
Right.

1145
00:51:45.017 --> 00:51:47.779
And it's gotten like I know him enough now.

1146
00:51:47.939 --> 00:51:52.382
Like I don't – it's like you just – you know what I'm saying?

1147
00:51:52.423 --> 00:51:52.703
It's like –

1148
00:51:54.203 --> 00:51:59.307
It's hard to like cry when he's singing the river when you're gonna go pizza with him later.

1149
00:51:59.327 --> 00:52:00.027
Do you know what I'm saying?

1150
00:52:00.067 --> 00:52:02.789
It's like, it gets hard.

1151
00:52:02.890 --> 00:52:04.471
Everybody needs to be a fan of somebody's.

1152
00:52:04.491 --> 00:52:04.911
It ruins the magic.

1153
00:52:04.931 --> 00:52:09.735
It's like, I remember the first time there was this magic trick that I loved, super simple card trick that a friend of mine used to do.

1154
00:52:09.755 --> 00:52:12.957
And I begged him to teach me so I could do it for other people.

1155
00:52:13.277 --> 00:52:15.559
And he quizzed me, why do you wanna learn it?

1156
00:52:15.979 --> 00:52:19.062
I said, I wanna learn it because I wanna give other people the feeling that you gave me.

1157
00:52:19.082 --> 00:52:20.623
He's like, that's a good reason, I'll teach it to you.

1158
00:52:21.043 --> 00:52:22.984
And he taught me the trick and it completely ruined it.

1159
00:52:23.945 --> 00:52:46.239
because it's not magic it's just a trick and now that i knew the trick it i've lost i lost the magic don't lose the magic and don't lose the magic right and i think i think this is and i think this is to your point which is you can meet your heroes just don't get to know your heroes because it turns out they're people and and it you said the song loses its magic because you know the person

1160
00:52:46.567 --> 00:52:46.847
Yeah.

1161
00:52:47.388 --> 00:52:48.509
Some people can transcend it.

1162
00:52:48.629 --> 00:52:52.131
Because awe of something or someone is a magical thing.

1163
00:52:52.612 --> 00:52:52.932
Yes.

1164
00:52:52.952 --> 00:52:54.073
The best.

1165
00:52:54.173 --> 00:52:56.515
And you never want to lose all because that's jaded.

1166
00:52:57.623 --> 00:52:57.843
Yes.

1167
00:52:58.264 --> 00:52:58.524
Yes.

1168
00:52:59.124 --> 00:53:00.145
I'm definitely not jaded.

1169
00:53:00.385 --> 00:53:01.085
I mean, it's weird.

1170
00:53:01.346 --> 00:53:02.867
I'm cynical, but I'm not jaded.

1171
00:53:03.247 --> 00:53:04.368
Is that even possible?

1172
00:53:04.388 --> 00:53:05.008
No, no, I think so.

1173
00:53:05.068 --> 00:53:08.491
And it goes right back to where we started, which is you have joy.

1174
00:53:08.531 --> 00:53:10.692
You have unbridled joy for life.

1175
00:53:10.932 --> 00:53:13.614
You have unbridled joy for your career, for your craft.

1176
00:53:13.654 --> 00:53:14.215
You have fun.

1177
00:53:17.737 --> 00:53:26.843
And you take it seriously, but I think what you teach us, and this is what I'm getting from you, what I'm learning from you, you just can be very serious about something and have a lot of fun with something simultaneously.

1178
00:53:26.943 --> 00:53:27.243
Yes.

1179
00:53:27.323 --> 00:53:31.166
You can take life very seriously because life is serious and you can have a lot of fun with it.

1180
00:53:31.646 --> 00:53:37.610
And you can have the struggles and you can talk about your fuck ups and you can talk about your own demons.

1181
00:53:38.410 --> 00:53:41.211
And you can have fun in all of that as well.

1182
00:53:41.532 --> 00:53:46.054
There's absurdity in all the struggle and there is realness in all of the, in all the fun.

1183
00:53:46.094 --> 00:53:49.615
Like when I, when I talk about drugs and alcohol, there's nothing more serious than that.

1184
00:53:50.156 --> 00:53:55.198
There's nothing more serious than if you know someone who's suffering, really suffering with drugs and alcohol.

1185
00:53:55.238 --> 00:53:55.478
Yeah.

1186
00:53:55.818 --> 00:53:57.299
It's as serious as anything out there.

1187
00:53:57.379 --> 00:53:57.559
Right.

1188
00:53:58.420 --> 00:54:03.262
And when I talk, share, speak around the country, which I do a lot,

1189
00:54:05.264 --> 00:54:13.786
there are big time laughs big time in that because if you can find humor in that, you can find humor in anything.

1190
00:54:14.706 --> 00:54:25.709
And, and, and there are plenty of people who can talk very movingly and, and you get a lot from it and you're crying the whole time.

1191
00:54:27.309 --> 00:54:29.150
That's not why I got put here.

1192
00:54:31.152 --> 00:54:36.955
I got put here to inject a different thing into the conversation.

1193
00:54:37.695 --> 00:54:46.360
And it's taken me a lot of years to learn it and to learn that like, to the extent that anybody has a secret sauce, I think maybe that's mine.

1194
00:54:48.081 --> 00:54:52.403
Stephen Colbert says, you know, you can't be angry or sad when you're laughing.

1195
00:54:53.684 --> 00:54:54.224
Mm-hmm.

1196
00:54:54.746 --> 00:55:01.912
I mean, literally, you know, the most difficult times where we're struggling or in sad, if somebody can make a joke, like humor matters.

1197
00:55:03.353 --> 00:55:06.856
It's a salve, you know, it's a balm, you know?

1198
00:55:06.876 --> 00:55:10.018
And you can't be angry and you can't be sad when you're laughing.

1199
00:55:11.179 --> 00:55:18.145
I remember we talked, it's so weird that my grandmother keeps coming up in our talks, but when you were on my podcast, we talked about my grandmother.

1200
00:55:19.706 --> 00:55:20.567
And I'm just remembering

1201
00:55:22.407 --> 00:55:25.848
When she passed away, I was blessed to be at her bedside.

1202
00:55:26.628 --> 00:55:33.750
And she, when she finally passed away, there's that moment where they go, now what happens?

1203
00:55:33.770 --> 00:55:44.892
And a new nurse came in and looked at me and literally over my grandmother's, not even still warm body, produced a pen and paper.

1204
00:55:44.912 --> 00:55:46.933
I said, could I get your autograph?

1205
00:55:48.093 --> 00:55:50.734
She's handing it over my dead grandmother's body.

1206
00:55:50.894 --> 00:55:51.214
Whoa.

1207
00:55:52.117 --> 00:55:58.116
And I remember going, yeah, I don't sign in pen.

1208
00:56:01.542 --> 00:56:03.382
What are you going to do?

1209
00:56:03.422 --> 00:56:05.823
You can get angry, but you have to see the absurdity.

1210
00:56:05.843 --> 00:56:06.483
But this is the point.

1211
00:56:06.523 --> 00:56:13.005
This is one of the things that I really appreciate about you, which is you see the absurdity of life and the joy of life woven in.

1212
00:56:13.105 --> 00:56:14.805
It's part of it, right?

1213
00:56:15.005 --> 00:56:16.065
It's all woven.

1214
00:56:16.165 --> 00:56:16.926
It's a tapestry.

1215
00:56:17.526 --> 00:56:19.446
And it's all for fun.

1216
00:56:19.786 --> 00:56:21.367
And I think this is what authenticity is.

1217
00:56:21.487 --> 00:56:28.788
And I think the reason you don't get in trouble when you say some of the things you do is because people know it's just life.

1218
00:56:32.209 --> 00:57:01.066
I'm never saying anything that isn't I mean like anybody I'm capable of saying things that aren't true I'm capable of lying all the things that human beings do because we're flawed but when I'm doing that thing it's I'm everybody knows that you're just having fun when they know that I'm right but the other thing that about longevity and like you know I did television when movie people didn't do television like I host a game show that would be career death that would be

1219
00:57:02.422 --> 00:57:06.144
Like, and I'm sure there are probably some actors.

1220
00:57:06.325 --> 00:57:09.006
I don't think Daniel Day-Lewis is looking to do a game show.

1221
00:57:10.948 --> 00:57:19.093
But what I, when they came to me with it, the reason I did it was I had just come off of doing a one-man show.

1222
00:57:20.808 --> 00:57:34.086
being in front of a live audience with stakes, like actual, it's live to tape, there's no second tape, there's 100 regular folks that you have to interact with, you don't know what they're gonna say, you know what, it's a free shot on goal all the time.

1223
00:57:34.406 --> 00:57:36.710
There's money at stake that changes people's lives.

1224
00:57:38.351 --> 00:57:42.833
and you're the quarterback going, do we need to be funny now?

1225
00:57:42.933 --> 00:57:45.074
Do we need to embrace the drama?

1226
00:57:45.514 --> 00:57:47.996
Oh, do I have to reset how much money we played?

1227
00:57:48.256 --> 00:57:54.199
And it's all happening all at once live in this enormous set, and it is so exciting.

1228
00:57:54.859 --> 00:57:55.820
It's so exciting.

1229
00:57:56.720 --> 00:58:01.522
And it's not at all what I thought it would be, and yet it's more than I thought it would be.

1230
00:58:02.402 --> 00:58:07.545
And it's a part of entertainment that I'd never been in.

1231
00:58:07.585 --> 00:58:10.206
But this is—so we talked about this.

1232
00:58:11.446 --> 00:58:14.208
You were a movie actor where it was career death to do TV.

1233
00:58:14.368 --> 00:58:14.968
You did TV.

1234
00:58:15.669 --> 00:58:21.652
You're a movie and TV actor where it's considered sort of career death to now do a game show.

1235
00:58:22.553 --> 00:58:30.438
What is the reason you take these pretty extreme pivots where the common sense of the industry is you probably shouldn't try that?

1236
00:58:30.478 --> 00:58:36.682
Like, what is the appeal of doing something so out of, you know, sort of off the game plan of the career?

1237
00:58:36.702 --> 00:58:37.082
Yeah.

1238
00:58:37.182 --> 00:58:52.698
Well, I like to think that I, because I can smell bullshit a mile away, I can, and I hate artifice and pretension.

1239
00:58:54.380 --> 00:59:02.545
So if you take those things out, then all of a sudden you're not judging a game show negatively.

1240
00:59:02.885 --> 00:59:05.227
And I know what it means to people.

1241
00:59:06.007 --> 00:59:09.949
Like people watch The Floor in a way that they don't watch anything else I've ever done.

1242
00:59:10.370 --> 00:59:13.451
I have eight-year-olds watching with their parents.

1243
00:59:13.591 --> 00:59:13.992
I love that.

1244
00:59:14.092 --> 00:59:15.353
That does not happen.

1245
00:59:15.553 --> 00:59:17.714
They're not all getting together to watch Euphoria.

1246
00:59:18.054 --> 00:59:18.274
Right.

1247
00:59:19.235 --> 00:59:19.435
Right.

1248
00:59:20.119 --> 00:59:20.539
They're not.

1249
00:59:21.340 --> 00:59:25.464
And the parents aren't there watching The Summer I Got Pretty or whatever the fuck.

1250
00:59:25.484 --> 00:59:28.627
Yeah, we live in a world in which everybody goes to their separate room to watch their TV shows.

1251
00:59:29.047 --> 00:59:32.390
And rare are the shows that a family comes together and sits on a couch and watches together.

1252
00:59:32.470 --> 00:59:36.694
And when I get that, and I get it all the time, that means a lot to me.

1253
00:59:36.734 --> 00:59:38.676
Rob Lowe, you are uniting families.

1254
00:59:38.916 --> 00:59:41.138
I'm bringing back the family.

1255
00:59:41.158 --> 00:59:42.619
You're bringing back the family.

1256
00:59:42.639 --> 00:59:43.620
One quiz show at a time.

1257
00:59:43.640 --> 00:59:44.401
One quiz show at a time.

1258
00:59:45.622 --> 00:59:46.383
Doing the Lord's work.

1259
00:59:46.403 --> 00:59:46.823
That's right.

1260
00:59:47.443 --> 00:59:50.865
Of all the characters you've played, who's your dream intern?

1261
00:59:51.786 --> 00:59:52.687
Who's your CEO?

1262
00:59:52.987 --> 00:59:53.887
And who's getting fired?

1263
00:59:54.048 --> 00:59:54.408
Oh, wow.

1264
00:59:54.748 --> 00:59:55.508
Dream intern?

1265
00:59:56.449 --> 00:59:58.370
Chris Trager, Parks and Recreation.

1266
00:59:58.951 --> 00:59:59.631
Who's your CEO?

1267
01:00:01.392 --> 01:00:02.393
I'm going with Sam Seaborn.

1268
01:00:02.533 --> 01:00:04.234
He was running the White House, effectively.

1269
01:00:05.735 --> 01:00:06.455
Who's getting fired?

1270
01:00:06.616 --> 01:00:09.798
Oh, 100% my character I played in Californication.

1271
01:00:10.438 --> 01:00:11.919
Eddie Nero.

1272
01:00:11.979 --> 01:00:12.800
He's getting fired.

1273
01:00:12.940 --> 01:00:14.901
He's going to HR immediately.

1274
01:00:14.921 --> 01:00:15.061
Okay.

1275
01:00:16.572 --> 01:00:17.653
You've worked with your son.

1276
01:00:17.993 --> 01:00:20.875
What's one piece of advice you'd give someone about working with family?

1277
01:00:21.656 --> 01:00:23.037
Do it whenever you can.

1278
01:00:23.277 --> 01:00:24.598
It's the greatest gift.

1279
01:00:28.681 --> 01:00:30.503
The shorthand, the pride.

1280
01:00:32.985 --> 01:00:36.968
Is it strange playing a character with your son playing a character?

1281
01:00:37.908 --> 01:00:38.169
Yes.

1282
01:00:38.669 --> 01:00:39.990
Because, I mean...

1283
01:00:40.370 --> 01:00:42.032
Yes, very much so.

1284
01:00:42.132 --> 01:00:43.693
And then you can't help yourself.

1285
01:00:44.133 --> 01:00:45.815
And also, just accept the fact that you...

1286
01:00:47.362 --> 01:00:48.943
Lean into the fact that you're still dad.

1287
01:00:49.143 --> 01:00:50.444
Like his thing is he calls it.

1288
01:00:50.464 --> 01:00:52.005
He would never call me dad on the set.

1289
01:00:52.025 --> 01:00:54.267
It was always Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob, Rob.

1290
01:00:54.687 --> 01:00:56.369
As if I was as if everybody didn't know.

1291
01:00:56.389 --> 01:00:57.149
I want to go, hey, they know.

1292
01:00:57.449 --> 01:00:58.230
Right.

1293
01:00:59.371 --> 01:01:04.274
But we would be in a scene and I would just be thinking, I don't like his hair like that.

1294
01:01:04.294 --> 01:01:04.995
He needs a haircut.

1295
01:01:06.436 --> 01:01:07.657
Do you mean like help yourself?

1296
01:01:07.717 --> 01:01:08.558
I can't help myself.

1297
01:01:09.158 --> 01:01:11.200
Or like I think he needs to engage his core.

1298
01:01:12.340 --> 01:01:13.341
The way he's standing here.

1299
01:01:14.182 --> 01:01:15.903
So and then we ended up writing that into the show.

1300
01:01:18.410 --> 01:01:40.635
unstable still streaming on on netflix two seasons available anything that you've learned career or personal that just help you get through the day make life a little easier um live in gratitude um manage expectations yours or other people's yeah mine

1301
01:01:43.374 --> 01:01:45.315
Rob, such a joy.

1302
01:01:45.575 --> 01:01:45.956
So fun.

1303
01:01:45.976 --> 01:01:46.636
You're so fun.

1304
01:01:47.837 --> 01:01:48.337
Thanks for coming on.

1305
01:01:48.357 --> 01:01:48.817
I appreciate it.

1306
01:01:48.938 --> 01:01:49.438
That was great.

1307
01:01:49.458 --> 01:01:49.878
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1308
01:01:50.539 --> 01:01:58.744
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01:01:59.524 --> 01:02:08.011
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1310
01:02:08.712 --> 01:02:14.317
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