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I'm about to help a complete stranger build a $15 million per year business.

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I'm going to give him a step-by-step roadmap on exactly what he needs to do.

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And 90 days later, we're going to check in with him to see what actually happened.

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And for all the business owners watching, I've scaled 10 businesses past 10 million, three past 100 million.

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And I've realized an important lesson, which is that businesses behave in patterns at all levels.

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And so you can take any of the principles and tactics and apply them to your specific business and industry at its current size.

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There are far more similarities than there are differences.

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And so with that being said, let's meet Haseek.

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Alex, how are you?

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Ready to rock.

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Yes, sir.

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So my name is Hussie Nazir.

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I am CEO of Smile Magic Dentistry.

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We are a holistic dental practice that focuses on helping prominently women achieve their... Men don't deserve nice teeth.

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Usually the women are the ones doing the research.

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The men follow after.

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Welcome to Smile Magic Dentistry.

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So give me the dollars.

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Yeah, so these are some of our numbers.

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So our past 12-month revenue is around $2 million.

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Our profit is right around 47%, about $960,000.

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And our goal over the next three years is to have $15 million in revenue and about $5 million in profit.

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Has the goal always been to do that or has the goal suddenly changed?

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So I've only joined the business about a year ago.

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So previously, my dad, he was the owner of the practice.

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He didn't have a support system to actually grow the practice.

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So he was essentially just making ends meet, doing what he can, working as much as he can.

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With me joining, it's been a matter of how can we scale?

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And I've kind of tried to expand his horizons because I'm not a dentist.

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So I'm purely focusing on the business and just growing the business.

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So, but is he aligned with that goal of growing it?

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So what's stopping the scaling right now?

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So right now we have three locations, but one doctor.

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So our staff, as well as myself, are essentially shuffling between location.

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So all the high ticket patients are all flowing through one person.

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The minute our main doctor, my dad, takes a break, business takes a break.

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Do you have...

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other associates at all?

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So we had an associate over the past year or so.

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He's actually leaving to go do a master's program.

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But with him, the problem was we weren't able to actually fill a schedule.

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So a lot of the time he was only working about a day, a day and a half per week.

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And for some reason, his show rate would be a lot lower than my dad's.

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So why is solving this important right now?

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I mean, my dad has given everything to the business.

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When I was a kid, he wouldn't be able to show up for soccer games, essentially, because the business needed him in it at all times.

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So with him getting older and me joining and seeing his past 30 years of hard work, if we're unable to actually fix this problem, it becomes a thing that'll just die.

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Our business will die if we're unable to solve this issue.

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Got it.

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This will be really straight down the middle.

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Yeah, which is good news.

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I mean, complex doesn't mean good.

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So yeah, let's come over here.

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I'll walk you through what we have to do.

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All right.

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So the big issue is that right now you have your dad who's doing all the diagnosis of the people who are coming in.

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And then he also does the actual implant work.

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From a time perspective, does it take longer to sell or does it take longer to deliver?

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Longer to deliver, by far.

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So of the elements of delivery, how many visits is required to do the treatment?

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It would be approximately of actual clinical work, about five visits.

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So it's five visits.

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Of all those five visits, does your dad need to do all five?

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So does he currently do all five?

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So of those, so let's say we've got sale, right?

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Which I'll get to in a second.

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So we have the sale, the sales motion.

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And then we have call it visit one, two, three, four, five.

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Which of these can he not do?

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depending on how complex the actual pulling of the teeth are, that's really where some of our associates have gotten hung up.

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So potentially he wouldn't need to do visit five.

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So we can all service that.

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All right.

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Visit five.

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And then.

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Where does he pull the teeth?

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It would be visit one.

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Okay, so this one's an important one.

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Okay, so he has to do that one.

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What else?

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So the rest of these are?

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Visit two, he pretty much needs to do it.

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That would be like the bone graft.

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So essentially laying the foundation for the implant.

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I'm not going to push back, but let's just, we'll keep going.

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And then visit three is a checkup.

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So it's going to be there.

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And then visit four is implant placement, which I would say is less important than the bone graph, but very important.

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So I would still say he needs to do.

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Let's say you just had an associate level person.

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Is there any reason the associate couldn't do these ones?

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The only reason why they wouldn't be able to do those three would be just based on their clinical ability.

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Well, this is a checkup.

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They can do that no matter what.

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And that's probably some sort of last conversation.

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Putting the tooth on, yeah.

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Also a checkup.

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So this one is a very basic thing, right?

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Just implanting because the bone graft is pulling in the graft is harder than implant, correct?

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At times, yeah.

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So, I mean, would an associate, they are doctors, correct?

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Right.

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So would an associate be able to just learn how to do the implant?

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Definitely.

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Would the guy that you had be able to have that skill if that was like a priority to teach him how to do this one thing?

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Okay, cool.

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So let's assume that we can actually get that off of his plate.

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Because right now you're capped at, was it like 25-ish a month, I think?

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About 25, yeah.

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About 25 to 30 patients a month.

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So that's a huge point of leverage.

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It's the greatest point of leverage.

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So if we just cut his, there's six visits to make this money.

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Three of them are the most important that require the most skill.

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The other three, not so much.

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It's like that can take us from 25 visits a month to 50 visits a month, provided we can increase the lead flow, which we'll get to in a second.

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But do you think that that would be like your dad would be on board with that?

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I think you would be on board with it.

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The only pushback I would ever say is more about the patient journey.

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So I think that a lot of the time, patients get very connected to the doctor.

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And I think having the handoff has been the hardest part, especially after doing some pretty intense visits.

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They have a hard time trusting a different doctor.

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That's all mental.

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It's not impossible.

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Yeah, of course it's not impossible.

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There's dental clinics that have many doctors.

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Of course it's not impossible.

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But that just sounds like what I would consider to be a just a limiting belief.

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So all he has to do is just have a like he could film one time a video that's that's with the doctor that he's edifying.

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He says, hey, you know, this is Johnny.

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Johnny's awesome.

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And so Johnny actually specializes in the next three visits that you're going to be coming out with us.

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And so this is literally all he does.

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And so he's going to take care of you for X, Y and Z.

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And so we've already laid an amazing foundation.

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You've been healing great.

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And that's what like the roadmap is.

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And so if you have any questions, you know, you can give Johnny a call.

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He'll be available to you.

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And yeah, so next time you see it, you're not in the wrong place.

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Like, ha, ha, ha.

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That's it.

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Got it.

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And you can obviously set that expectation here.

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It's like, hey, the work is split between two of us.

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One is one we specialize.

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I specialize on this side.

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He specialize on that side.

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And that's it.

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That's like, that's totally mental, though.

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He's obviously been a sole practitioner for a really long time.

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And it's one of those things where like a lot of entrepreneurs feel like,

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it's nice to feel needed and it's nice to feel special.

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Yeah.

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But there are other humans who have hands who can learn things.

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100%.

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Right.

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And it's like, okay, do you want to be right or do you want to be rich?

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And this is one of those scenarios.

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And I'll tell you what he has to do, like what you have to convince him of is just that he has to be positioned as the architect or the artist.

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And then the other guys are the hands.

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And that way it'll kind of preserve his...

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I'll say ego, but like, it's like, you're still the puppeteer.

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You're still, you know, you're the conductor of the orchestra.

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And then from a, from a positioning perspective, that's what you would say to the patients.

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It's like the actual hardest part is designing the procedure in the process.

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Once the plan's laid out, it's really just executing it.

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Got it.

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And so that's, that's easy to position.

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All right.

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So that's thing one.

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This double, this gives us a, gives us a double in capacity.

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Now that guy was quitting, but if he was able to take all these appointments on, would that fill up his calendar?

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For the most part.

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Well, I mean, in my mind, I would say like maybe don't fire him if he was a decent guy, because that would double the potential revenue of the business and take you from two to four.

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That feels worth it.

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And you can make up the extra 2 million in whatever you're paying the associate.

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Definitely.

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That feels not dumb.

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The next thing is...

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So right now you have Google ads that are working, obviously, right?

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So I would just actually continue to encourage you to just keep increasing Google ad spend.

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Because right now you're spending, what are you spending a month, like $14,000 or something like that?

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$12,000, yeah.

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$12,000, right.

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So if you have $12,000 a month, like you're in Orange County, like you could probably go to several hundred thousand dollars a month before you even get close to capping that area.

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So like there's a lot of runway there.

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But if we double it, we can double the capacity, double the spend.

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Now, number three is that you have like, or your dad has like a 85 or 90% close, some very high close rate.

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I would do a couple things.

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So number one, when I see those kinds of close rates, I would increase price because with those kinds of close rates, there's probably a lot of room there.

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What payment options do you provide people?

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So it depends on what they qualify for.

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So either with an implant patient or a long treatment plan, they pay as they go.

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So they would pay over the course of a year.

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Whenever they get the work done, they pay for that visit, essentially.

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If they choose financing, they pay the entire treatment up front.

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And that's it.

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What percentage of people do financing?

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Approximately...

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30% of the treatment plans over 15,000, 30 to 50%, I'd say.

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I feel like you could get like 80 or 90% like doing that.

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Cause like my position would be like, Hey, so there's two ways to pay.

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You can either pay on a credit card and pay whatever you want, or you can pay using financing, but either way we need to pay now to get this whole process started.

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So you would change it to a pay now.

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I prefer that, especially from a cash conversion cycle perspective.

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And that's not that uncommon.

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do you think that it would be wise to give them almost like a discount to prepay?

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Because the way, I mean, obviously it's more of a limiting belief, but the way we've always done it is pay as you go per visit.

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No, I mean, I would, that would be like a, huh.

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Okay.

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I guess we could do that.

246
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You know what I mean?

247
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Like I would make it seem odd.

248
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Okay.

249
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But yeah, you can give the incentive if you want, but it's like, this is what most people do because you're going to pay it either way.

250
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Cause like, believe me, you can't half finish your mouth.

251
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So like, you're going to have to end up paying it.

252
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So you might as well just prepay.

253
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And that's why, because it allows us to pre-order some of the things that we need for your specific case.

254
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Got it.

255
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That's how I would script it.

256
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So I would just say like A, B, credit card slash financing, and then you downsell a payment plan.

257
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Does that make sense?

258
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Okay.

259
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Now, from a pricing perspective, you're charging $14,000.

260
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Is the average three-year value of these implants?

261
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Because it seems low.

262
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It is low.

263
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So the three-year value of implants is a lot higher.

264
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$14,000 is our overall, including patient recall.

265
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Got it.

266
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So with implant patients, our average tickets are around $28,000.

267
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And his close rate is still 80-whatever percent.

268
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Yeah.

269
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I mean.

270
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This is after we increased prices, too.

271
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First thing I did following your judgment was.

272
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Yeah, and then nothing happened, right?

273
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Increased prices by 15% to 20%.

274
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Originally, it was whole world was going to end.

275
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Yeah.

276
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And nothing happened.

277
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And nothing happened.

278
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And I ended up trying to give more value to patients and close rate increased.

279
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Yeah, because it's a luxury item.

280
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I mean, people, rather technically it's a premium item, but I think I would go to $35K.

281
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Okay.

282
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And how long had it been since your dad had raised his prices when you got him to raise his prices?

283
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About three to four years.

284
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Yeah.

285
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And the thing is, is that in that time period, like the money sold went up by a lot more than 20%.

286
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Yeah.

287
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So that change was not even, that was like still just make, that was just right sizing.

288
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It wasn't really a price increase.

289
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That was just right sizing.

290
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So I think given your dad's experience and the fact that he's closing 85, whatever plus percent, I doubt you're going to lose a lot, especially because of the nature of how you're having people pay.

291
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Because the actual monthly difference is going to be negligible, but it'll be a material difference for you guys.

292
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Definitely.

293
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Right.

294
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Extra 7,000 per is going to, will add up, especially if you can pull it up front.

295
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Okay.

296
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Another quick, quick little thing is that walk me through the sales process really quickly.

297
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Because to help support this price increase, I just want to tweak sales motion if we can.

298
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Okay.

299
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So someone clicks, they schedule, they call in or whatever, they schedule their appointment.

300
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Okay.

301
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Walk me through what happens after, like from the time they schedule till the time they give you money.

302
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So they schedule, they receive a reminder seven days before their appointment.

303
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They receive a second reminder three days, one last one day before, one day of.

304
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So seven, three, two, one.

305
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Yep.

306
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Okay.

307
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And then they show up for their appointment and that is their initial consultation.

308
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No work gets done.

309
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It's purely potentially x-rays and a- It's a sale, right?

310
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Yeah.

311
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Yeah.

312
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Okay.

313
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Visual consult.

314
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Well, let's actually walk through that in more detail.

315
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So when they actually walk in the door, what happens?

316
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They walk in the door, we greet them, and they get seated in the chair immediately.

317
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Okay.

318
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Once we take the x-ray to the CT scan, they come back to the chair.

319
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Okay.

320
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And it takes anywhere from two to four minutes.

321
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Got it.

322
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So they sit back in the chair, we pull up the scan with them, and we essentially diagnose what they can't see or what we can't see visually.

323
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So you educate the patient, you say your teeth are fucked up, got it.

324
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When does it transition to, okay, give us money?

325
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So that transition doesn't happen in the chair.

326
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That happens once he diagnoses and things are complete.

327
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They will either sit down with myself or our office manager.

328
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And we will create the chair.

329
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And that's to get out of the chair and they go somewhere else into like a sales room.

330
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For an office.

331
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Yeah.

332
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Okay.

333
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Got it.

334
00:14:15.634 --> 00:14:18.698
So two things that I would tweak.

335
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is number one, and this will help you out, but I would put, I'd grab everyone's ID on the way in.

336
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Okay.

337
00:14:25.544 --> 00:14:27.406
So I could scan it and then confirm identity.

338
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Plus I would swap that for their credit card and say, hey, it's just how we complete our patient profiles.

339
00:14:31.549 --> 00:14:34.732
And that way you already have payment method before you even ask for payment.

340
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Much easier way to do it.

341
00:14:37.183 --> 00:14:40.084
Then you're going to go to chair, rigmarole, x-rays, et cetera.

342
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Then afterwards, they're meeting with you.

343
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You have your one-on-one with them in office, in the front office or whatever, before they actually sit down.

344
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So you have your x-ray here.

345
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And then there's this period where they come into this office.

346
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This is where before they actually sit down with you, you should have them watch a little VSL.

347
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little video sales letter.

348
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And so maybe you have them wait in that office for like five minutes, 10 minutes.

349
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And while they're there, you just give them this, Hey, be right with you.

350
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Watch this.

351
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That'll give you a little bit more context with the doctor just shared with you.

352
00:15:12.634 --> 00:15:14.795
And then it's just like basically a ton of testimonials.

353
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Um, this I'll give you the, the, the TLDR.

354
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You can watch the recording, but, um,

355
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promise of the video, like, hey, in this video, I'm going to show you how we transform people's mouths, pain that you're avoiding, which is like, and so if you haven't been sure you've had pain, or you're like, you're not confident with your smile, you know, these pains better than I do.

356
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Our process will help you fix that.

357
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And here's proof number one, proof number two, proof number three, which are three or four different avatars.

358
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And so that's what we'll walk through is kind of like our four-step process in this video.

359
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So then we go to big idea number one, which is like the old way of doing things is like this.

360
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The new way or our way of doing it is like this.

361
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And this is the core reason that we started this practice and why so many people have bad teeth and why our patients are so happy.

362
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And that's the core big idea.

363
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And then you just have what are the common objections that people bring up in that sales consult?

364
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which is like some people have some questions.

365
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We like to cover them ahead of time, which is, Hey, does this work for tiny teeth?

366
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I don't know.

367
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Whatever.

368
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Like, you know, like you'll know, you know what the objections are.

369
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And then with each of them, you'll follow through with, this is what people think.

370
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This is, uh, why it's wrong.

371
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This is what is true.

372
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And then here's proof.

373
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And for each one of them, it's basically a simple objection overcome for each of them.

374
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And then after that, it's just proof of just basically before and after some people saying, Oh my God, this is amazing.

375
00:16:19.629 --> 00:16:19.769
Okay.

376
00:16:20.029 --> 00:16:23.831
And then what that'll do is because if we're going to have an increase in price, I want to give you

377
00:16:26.617 --> 00:16:26.857
Okay.

378
00:16:27.698 --> 00:16:30.721
And would you recommend going over price in the VSL as well?

379
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You can do a range.

380
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Okay.

381
00:16:32.882 --> 00:16:33.463
You can do a range.

382
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It depends on the number of teeth and whatnot.

383
00:16:35.004 --> 00:16:36.065
But our ranges go from here to here.

384
00:16:36.425 --> 00:16:38.947
But you already have good close rates, so I don't want to mess with too much.

385
00:16:38.967 --> 00:16:41.189
But you basically never sell less with a VSL.

386
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Yeah.

387
00:16:42.190 --> 00:16:47.134
And if you have already a form of payment on file, it's usually, do you want to choose the card on file?

388
00:16:47.555 --> 00:16:48.355
It's just very easy.

389
00:16:48.636 --> 00:16:48.816
Yeah.

390
00:16:48.836 --> 00:16:50.537
And so you don't have to take out the wallet again.

391
00:16:50.557 --> 00:16:52.479
It just decreases friction and makes it very buttery.

392
00:16:52.779 --> 00:16:52.999
Nice.

393
00:16:53.099 --> 00:16:53.520
That makes sense?

394
00:16:53.540 --> 00:16:53.780
Yeah.

395
00:16:54.200 --> 00:16:54.480
Very nice.

396
00:16:54.660 --> 00:16:59.982
Big picture, you have like what I would consider to be very like straight down the middle, which is like your supply constraint.

397
00:17:00.502 --> 00:17:01.622
This doubles our capacity.

398
00:17:02.002 --> 00:17:05.963
Long term, we need to take up one and two and give that to another doc as well.

399
00:17:06.303 --> 00:17:07.844
So your dad can just focus on the diagnosis.

400
00:17:07.864 --> 00:17:12.305
If you just does that, that can get you to 12-ish million just from doing that one change.

401
00:17:12.865 --> 00:17:17.729
And so you'll have to break your dad's beliefs around the fact that like what my father's a physician.

402
00:17:17.749 --> 00:17:18.510
So like a surgeon.

403
00:17:18.630 --> 00:17:20.591
And so I understand the archetype.

404
00:17:20.952 --> 00:17:26.056
There's a lot of romanticism around like I have a lot of repetitions on this and like no one will be able to teach me or no one's going to be as good as I am.

405
00:17:26.216 --> 00:17:28.318
I'm not saying your dad's like that, but many surgeons are.

406
00:17:28.758 --> 00:17:33.962
And so there has to be a fundamental belief shift, which is that like if you learned it, so can someone else.

407
00:17:34.462 --> 00:17:36.984
And then re-edifying him as like...

408
00:17:38.766 --> 00:17:43.271
For this business to scale, his identity needs to change from I'm the best dentist to I'm the best teacher.

409
00:17:44.513 --> 00:17:47.496
If he can make that change, I think this thing can get really good.

410
00:17:47.957 --> 00:17:51.641
If he holds onto the chair, it'll be very difficult.

411
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100%.

412
00:17:52.422 --> 00:17:58.529
And with this, at what point do you think it would make sense to possibly buy any locations online?

413
00:17:58.957 --> 00:18:01.658
We need to fix all this stuff first.

414
00:18:01.838 --> 00:18:02.138
Correct.

415
00:18:02.378 --> 00:18:07.299
And right now, there's no point in adding another practice because you don't even know how to run a practice without your dad.

416
00:18:07.319 --> 00:18:07.639
100%.

417
00:18:07.739 --> 00:18:07.899
Right.

418
00:18:07.919 --> 00:18:11.440
So it's like that has to happen before any of these other conversations can really occur.

419
00:18:11.640 --> 00:18:15.161
That said, I'll just add a little bit of a tidbit for these guys because you're just getting into it.

420
00:18:15.601 --> 00:18:19.282
But the speed to lead is especially with – are you doing PPC?

421
00:18:19.322 --> 00:18:19.422
PPC?

422
00:18:19.902 --> 00:18:20.042
Yeah.

423
00:18:20.222 --> 00:18:21.043
Yeah.

424
00:18:21.543 --> 00:18:23.204
It is the most important platform for speed delete.

425
00:18:23.704 --> 00:18:27.546
Like talking like 60 seconds because you have super high intent people, but they're shopping.

426
00:18:27.767 --> 00:18:28.567
They're looking around.

427
00:18:28.667 --> 00:18:32.069
And so it's most of the time, I don't know the stat, but it's very high.

428
00:18:32.509 --> 00:18:34.911
The first person who responds is the person who gets the customer.

429
00:18:35.691 --> 00:18:35.871
Yeah.

430
00:18:36.312 --> 00:18:38.993
That's the one thing that I've been focusing on.

431
00:18:39.413 --> 00:18:39.634
Yeah.

432
00:18:39.914 --> 00:18:45.257
This is killing you because the big part is like he's booked out 15 to 30 days in order for him to do these diagnoses, right?

433
00:18:45.737 --> 00:18:46.658
And you're losing money there.

434
00:18:47.398 --> 00:18:47.618
Okay.

435
00:18:47.918 --> 00:18:48.759
Perfect world would be this.

436
00:18:49.690 --> 00:18:56.212
like perfectly efficient world that I think will maintain sales percentages is that, um, they come in greeted, whatever.

437
00:18:56.593 --> 00:19:05.676
And then when they, when they walk into meet with you, if possible, if he says, this is my guy, he's the man, he just transfers authority and says, he's seen more of these cases than anyone.

438
00:19:05.696 --> 00:19:06.796
Like he will definitely help you out.

439
00:19:07.016 --> 00:19:08.557
I'll be with you as soon as we get into the dex race.

440
00:19:08.997 --> 00:19:09.857
He just needs to do that.

441
00:19:10.498 --> 00:19:11.078
Just edifies you.

442
00:19:11.098 --> 00:19:12.178
And then you'll have the whole frame.

443
00:19:12.639 --> 00:19:14.079
Then he'll come in razzle dazzle.

444
00:19:14.459 --> 00:19:15.480
And then you close.

445
00:19:16.060 --> 00:19:16.280
Got it.

446
00:19:16.913 --> 00:19:21.615
Because in that way, because if he can just basically, the only time, how long is the x-ray diagnosis part?

447
00:19:22.235 --> 00:19:23.055
An hour 15.

448
00:19:23.315 --> 00:19:23.495
Right.

449
00:19:23.515 --> 00:19:24.256
Yeah, that's terrible.

450
00:19:24.556 --> 00:19:27.177
And so that's why it's taking 15 to 30 days.

451
00:19:27.337 --> 00:19:30.098
Because like you have 70% sure rates, you'll probably get closer to 85 or 90.

452
00:19:30.658 --> 00:19:34.140
If that's the case, that would give you a 20% lift in revenue.

453
00:19:34.660 --> 00:19:34.920
Okay.

454
00:19:35.020 --> 00:19:37.181
And return on ad spend just from that one change.

455
00:19:38.181 --> 00:19:39.823
Because you'll just move, you'll just pull it forward.

456
00:19:40.163 --> 00:19:41.944
Because then it's like, great, we can get you in tomorrow.

457
00:19:42.125 --> 00:19:44.246
Because they're literally, they have pain.

458
00:19:44.667 --> 00:19:45.047
Exactly.

459
00:19:45.367 --> 00:19:47.029
So it's like, they want to solve the pain.

460
00:19:47.269 --> 00:19:47.689
Yeah.

461
00:19:47.709 --> 00:19:51.513
And if somebody else can see them tomorrow, they'll see them in Not You.

462
00:19:52.233 --> 00:19:54.175
Especially for a customer that's not warm or referral.

463
00:19:54.575 --> 00:19:54.736
Yeah.

464
00:19:54.916 --> 00:19:55.096
Right?

465
00:19:55.576 --> 00:19:57.418
So I see this as super material.

466
00:19:57.998 --> 00:20:00.100
Other than that, the business already runs really good margins.

467
00:20:00.360 --> 00:20:01.401
The rest of this is fine.

468
00:20:01.902 --> 00:20:03.803
But this would be the next steps.

469
00:20:05.125 --> 00:20:05.365
Got it.

470
00:20:05.900 --> 00:20:24.328
Again, when I see prices went up, close rates went up, what that means is that, especially in the market you're at, and when I say market, I mean the geographic market, but also the avatar itself, the people who are walking in the door, they are correlating price with risk and quality.

471
00:20:25.209 --> 00:20:28.250
And so they're like, this is a complex procedure.

472
00:20:28.890 --> 00:20:30.491
I'm gonna use my mouth for the rest of my life.

473
00:20:31.112 --> 00:20:32.112
I want to make sure it's done right.

474
00:20:32.192 --> 00:20:38.194
And for that person, an extra call at $100 a month is going to mean absolutely makes me no difference whatsoever.

475
00:20:38.934 --> 00:20:42.936
But them getting an inferior procedure is going to make a huge difference.

476
00:20:42.956 --> 00:20:43.436
Huge difference.

477
00:20:43.916 --> 00:20:45.416
You raised price and conversion went up.

478
00:20:45.656 --> 00:20:45.816
Yeah.

479
00:20:46.477 --> 00:20:47.497
So keep raising price.

480
00:20:48.517 --> 00:20:51.098
At what point do we know that we should stop raising price?

481
00:20:51.478 --> 00:20:54.119
Well, when conversion times price goes down.

482
00:20:54.539 --> 00:20:54.779
Okay.

483
00:20:55.675 --> 00:20:57.397
Not when you sell less, because sometimes you will sell less.

484
00:20:57.417 --> 00:21:01.020
But if you have a 50% price raise and you sell 10% fewer, you should continue to keep that price.

485
00:21:01.421 --> 00:21:01.641
Right?

486
00:21:01.981 --> 00:21:02.421
Or at a plus.

487
00:21:02.582 --> 00:21:03.102
Right, exactly.

488
00:21:03.122 --> 00:21:04.544
You're at a plus plus.

489
00:21:04.564 --> 00:21:05.965
You're closing more at a higher price.

490
00:21:06.145 --> 00:21:06.305
Yeah.

491
00:21:06.465 --> 00:21:10.249
There's going to be a point where you close the same at a higher price, and that's still good.

492
00:21:10.269 --> 00:21:16.235
And there's a point where even after the curve, you close even at a higher price with even a little bit less, and the math still makes sense.

493
00:21:16.255 --> 00:21:17.416
But it's just a pure math equation.

494
00:21:17.796 --> 00:21:20.619
I also understand the nature of high-ticket sales like this, which is very difficult to get.

495
00:21:21.099 --> 00:21:43.015
you know maybe he was having a bad day whatever happens but i think you're very safe to continue to raise for a minute this is just like probably the first of maybe another one after this got it and then the one thing i was going to start doing is just doing like organic content reminds me i was going to bring that up to you so what i want you to also do is re-engineer the process so

496
00:21:43.850 --> 00:21:47.031
I'm sure there's these reaction moments when they get to see their teeth and like they don't look bad.

497
00:21:47.131 --> 00:21:47.391
Right.

498
00:21:47.651 --> 00:21:47.871
Okay.

499
00:21:48.352 --> 00:21:57.635
So we just want to have this big mirror in your hallway where you can have people kind of walk up blindfolded or like not see it or just you want to basically capture the reveal moment.

500
00:21:58.335 --> 00:21:59.996
And you'll probably already do capture the before moment.

501
00:22:00.136 --> 00:22:00.576
I'm guessing.

502
00:22:01.204 --> 00:22:01.945
A lot of the time we don't.

503
00:22:02.145 --> 00:22:02.365
Okay.

504
00:22:02.465 --> 00:22:04.547
Well, that needs to get integrated in the process, right?

505
00:22:04.707 --> 00:22:04.887
Yeah.

506
00:22:05.067 --> 00:22:06.328
And so that becomes your posting.

507
00:22:06.689 --> 00:22:06.789
Okay.

508
00:22:06.809 --> 00:22:13.934
Like every single before and after that you have at your clinic should get posted, but you can have multiple versions of this.

509
00:22:14.974 --> 00:22:21.556
So think about one is like the story version, which is like Angela showing her before and then showing her after.

510
00:22:21.616 --> 00:22:22.276
And it's like, yay.

511
00:22:22.756 --> 00:22:29.318
And then there's the carousel version, which is like images that you might still put the story as the third tile that you'd post.

512
00:22:29.898 --> 00:22:34.020
You can do a case study version of this, which is like your dad or you reviewing the case.

513
00:22:34.040 --> 00:22:34.920
So this is Casey.

514
00:22:35.060 --> 00:22:37.941
She came in with an XYZ micro underbite.

515
00:22:37.961 --> 00:22:38.901
I don't want to make it up.

516
00:22:39.001 --> 00:22:39.181
Right.

517
00:22:39.662 --> 00:22:41.665
And so this was an interesting case for X, Y, and Z.

518
00:22:41.745 --> 00:22:47.314
And so, and then, but it's, but then you're immediately flipping it to like, so if you're struggling with this, this, and this, and this, you don't have to struggle with that.

519
00:22:47.374 --> 00:22:48.656
Like these are super solvable problems.

520
00:22:48.676 --> 00:22:49.397
A lot of people just don't know it.

521
00:22:49.417 --> 00:22:50.239
That's why I'm making this content.

522
00:22:51.317 --> 00:22:53.639
And then with all of that stuff, you can just CTA to lead gen.

523
00:22:54.019 --> 00:22:54.219
Okay.

524
00:22:54.440 --> 00:22:58.743
I didn't want to add a separate channel because like this is the, you're already doing this.

525
00:22:58.903 --> 00:23:00.124
Let's just do more better on this.

526
00:23:00.705 --> 00:23:07.550
But as you like, basically, if you were to come back, like in a year, I would say like, okay, this is going to be our further expansion.

527
00:23:07.670 --> 00:23:13.695
And so what's difficult with small businesses, there's whenever you have a pipeline, if you, as long as you're not supply constrained, which you are.

528
00:23:13.975 --> 00:23:14.276
Okay.

529
00:23:15.696 --> 00:23:17.297
more marketing on a supply constraint does nothing.

530
00:23:17.577 --> 00:23:17.757
Yeah.

531
00:23:17.937 --> 00:23:18.777
It does not increase throughput.

532
00:23:19.138 --> 00:23:26.060
And so it's like we have to solve the supply constraint first, and then the other things on the pipeline can increase, and then that increases throughput.

533
00:23:26.580 --> 00:23:30.141
But we have to solve that first, and then this alone will match your throughput.

534
00:23:30.322 --> 00:23:31.762
So could we do it?

535
00:23:32.322 --> 00:23:32.662
Yeah.

536
00:23:33.323 --> 00:23:34.063
Is it the constraint?

537
00:23:34.543 --> 00:23:34.803
No.

538
00:23:35.663 --> 00:23:37.224
Will it take resources from you to think about?

539
00:23:37.504 --> 00:23:37.784
Yes.

540
00:23:38.164 --> 00:23:39.525
If you do all this stuff and you have bandwidth?

541
00:23:39.745 --> 00:23:39.945
Sure.

542
00:23:40.473 --> 00:23:40.693
Got it.

543
00:23:41.393 --> 00:23:41.593
Got it.

544
00:23:41.633 --> 00:23:43.814
The reason I was at least thinking about it was...

545
00:23:44.094 --> 00:23:46.135
I'm never going to tell you to advertise less.

546
00:23:46.235 --> 00:23:48.556
Small businesses, the more people know about your stuff, the more money you make.

547
00:23:48.756 --> 00:23:48.976
Sure.

548
00:23:49.276 --> 00:23:51.096
Unless you have no way to actually capitalize on it.

549
00:23:57.018 --> 00:23:57.258
Yes.

550
00:23:58.959 --> 00:23:59.319
Okay.

551
00:23:59.559 --> 00:24:00.379
How many employees you guys got?

552
00:24:01.380 --> 00:24:02.400
Nine, including me.

553
00:24:03.416 --> 00:24:03.696
None.

554
00:24:04.057 --> 00:24:04.357
All right.

555
00:24:04.377 --> 00:24:06.418
So where are we at on the scaling roadmap?

556
00:24:06.438 --> 00:24:10.481
So you're right at the kind of prioritize to productize stage.

557
00:24:10.982 --> 00:24:17.006
Notice what we were doing is prioritizing things you need to do and trying to develop productization of the actual delivery.

558
00:24:17.487 --> 00:24:19.608
It's almost like these things make sense.

559
00:24:20.409 --> 00:24:25.332
And so you do have a specialized product that's priced to serve a richer avatar.

560
00:24:25.392 --> 00:24:28.715
So you already have this, which is why I like from a business perspective, you're probably closer to here.

561
00:24:29.195 --> 00:24:31.257
From a marketing angle, more free, better stuff.

562
00:24:31.718 --> 00:24:34.460
That's where this part that I was referencing would kind of come in.

563
00:24:34.840 --> 00:24:35.881
And that will kind of graduate here.

564
00:24:35.901 --> 00:24:39.625
And so it's common for businesses to be split between multiple stages for different kind of functions.

565
00:24:39.785 --> 00:24:39.985
Yeah.

566
00:24:40.145 --> 00:24:43.708
From a sales perspective, I think you just started tracking these basic KPIs.

567
00:24:43.748 --> 00:24:47.071
So like you have probably more along this product type step.

568
00:24:47.672 --> 00:24:50.374
So spend more in this down messaging and new offer.

569
00:24:50.394 --> 00:24:50.494
Yeah.

570
00:24:53.197 --> 00:24:57.240
Create sales aids materials, right?

571
00:24:57.500 --> 00:24:59.942
And the VSL sales aids, right?

572
00:25:00.242 --> 00:25:03.625
Build a proper CS playbook to onboard and train team to answer questions.

573
00:25:03.665 --> 00:25:07.567
So that is partially like, how can we get the team to do some of these pieces?

574
00:25:07.948 --> 00:25:10.870
And then obviously, like over time, they're going to be taking over more of the delivery.

575
00:25:11.210 --> 00:25:11.610
All right.

576
00:25:12.971 --> 00:25:15.033
Make sense that you're at this stage to graduate?

577
00:25:15.561 --> 00:25:15.901
Fair enough.

578
00:25:16.402 --> 00:25:16.602
Cool.

579
00:25:16.762 --> 00:25:17.123
Fair enough.

580
00:25:17.563 --> 00:25:17.884
Alex.

581
00:25:18.224 --> 00:25:18.404
Yeah.

582
00:25:18.665 --> 00:25:19.726
By the way, this is free.

583
00:25:19.866 --> 00:25:21.568
If you're a business owner and you're like, what stage am I at?

584
00:25:21.588 --> 00:25:22.069
What should I do?

585
00:25:22.469 --> 00:25:22.930
Download this.

586
00:25:23.090 --> 00:25:28.056
Each one of these comes with like a 90 plus minute video that breaks down in way more detail than I just did in 10 seconds.

587
00:25:28.136 --> 00:25:28.857
What to do at each stage.

588
00:25:29.037 --> 00:25:30.459
So if you want that, you can go grab it.

589
00:25:30.519 --> 00:25:31.200
I'm sure the link's somewhere.

590
00:25:32.605 --> 00:25:33.025
Well, sweet.

591
00:25:33.125 --> 00:25:40.606
So you shifted, it sounded like you shifted to more payment upfront, raised the implant pricing, speed to lead is solid.

592
00:25:40.946 --> 00:25:43.067
You held off on scaling to the new location.

593
00:25:43.567 --> 00:25:43.907
Yeah.

594
00:25:44.147 --> 00:25:46.667
So all in all, what's, what's revenue at now?

595
00:25:46.767 --> 00:25:47.087
Run rate?

596
00:25:48.068 --> 00:25:51.948
Well, run rate, we are right at 3.3, I believe.

597
00:25:52.668 --> 00:25:53.449
Oh, hell yeah.

598
00:25:54.129 --> 00:25:59.049
So we're right at, I believe it's 270,000 a month.

599
00:25:59.490 --> 00:26:01.250
When I saw you last, I think we're at a 2.8 run rate.

600
00:26:02.632 --> 00:26:05.175
Okay, 2.8 to 3.3.

601
00:26:05.615 --> 00:26:06.256
So what's that?

602
00:26:07.077 --> 00:26:09.019
So that's a percent lift.

603
00:26:09.039 --> 00:26:09.240
Yeah.

604
00:26:09.480 --> 00:26:11.843
And from averaging 160, our best month before this was 290,000.

605
00:26:18.470 --> 00:26:21.771
And now we're about at 500,000.

606
00:26:22.172 --> 00:26:28.074
I never thought it'd be possible with the same team doing the same things we're currently doing.

607
00:26:28.454 --> 00:26:29.955
Honestly, Alex, thank you.

608
00:26:30.615 --> 00:26:31.415
Thank you so much, Ike.

609
00:26:32.036 --> 00:26:36.277
I have a lot of gratitude for your team, for you, for what everyone has been doing.

610
00:26:36.437 --> 00:26:42.220
Just the advice you've been able to give when it comes to fixing limiting beliefs, I think that's been the biggest thing.

611
00:26:42.900 --> 00:26:52.647
unlocking belief conviction in myself, in my team, in my dad, in our doctors, has been the biggest unlock of what's possible.

612
00:26:53.267 --> 00:26:53.688
Why not?

613
00:26:54.508 --> 00:26:56.310
Why can't we, is the question.

614
00:26:56.530 --> 00:26:57.610
How fast can we do it?

615
00:26:59.232 --> 00:26:59.812
We'll keep it going.

616
00:27:01.978 --> 00:27:02.860
Yeah, nothing to add there.

617
00:27:03.381 --> 00:27:04.262
I mean, it was all him.

618
00:27:04.683 --> 00:27:09.271
And so, you know, the kudos should go to him because a lot of people, you know, watch YouTube videos.

619
00:27:09.913 --> 00:27:11.976
They read my books, but they don't do anything about it.

620
00:27:12.217 --> 00:27:12.457
All right.

621
00:27:12.618 --> 00:27:14.641
And so that was this episode of Scale or Fail.

622
00:27:14.741 --> 00:27:15.603
Stay tuned for the next one.
