WEBVTT

1
00:00:00.411 --> 00:00:11.924
So before we get going, Ken Ham got a hold of me before this podcast and said that I should not have you on, that I needed to be very leery of having Ray come for it.

2
00:00:11.944 --> 00:00:13.866
Now, why would Ken say such a thing, Ray?

3
00:00:13.986 --> 00:00:15.108
Because he thinks I'm immoral.

4
00:00:16.150 --> 00:00:19.593
You know, he's Australian, I'm a New Zealander.

5
00:00:19.773 --> 00:00:20.013
Yes.

6
00:00:20.914 --> 00:00:23.776
And Australians, they talk different than New Zealanders.

7
00:00:23.876 --> 00:00:26.818
They, through the nose, it's not as cultured.

8
00:00:27.098 --> 00:00:29.820
And their criminal backgrounds and can't admit- Heavy criminal backgrounds.

9
00:00:29.840 --> 00:00:30.921
Heavy criminal backgrounds.

10
00:00:31.161 --> 00:00:34.384
And Australians, men, don't know how to show affection.

11
00:00:34.924 --> 00:00:39.286
Best you'll get from an Australian is, I kind of like you even if you are an idiot.

12
00:00:39.446 --> 00:00:41.227
That's about all you'll get from an Australian.

13
00:00:41.708 --> 00:00:43.288
So Ken really loves me.

14
00:00:43.569 --> 00:00:55.495
And so for the last seven years, every day he has texted me and his texts are full of insults that I'm a moron, I'm an idiot, I'm short, I'm ugly, I can't preach, people never heard of me, he'll call me up with a...

15
00:00:55.975 --> 00:00:59.097
with people on the video saying, these people have never heard of you.

16
00:00:59.357 --> 00:00:59.897
These people.

17
00:00:59.917 --> 00:01:01.078
Have you ever heard of Ray Comfort?

18
00:01:01.718 --> 00:01:03.759
And he interviewed me yesterday about this book.

19
00:01:03.839 --> 00:01:09.262
Oh, by the way, the most texts in one day, there were 223 texts in one day.

20
00:01:09.302 --> 00:01:11.383
223 texts from Ken Ham?

21
00:01:11.444 --> 00:01:11.924
From Ken Ham.

22
00:01:12.104 --> 00:01:12.624
Between us.

23
00:01:12.784 --> 00:01:13.365
In one day.

24
00:01:13.385 --> 00:01:14.765
Yeah, yeah.

25
00:01:15.025 --> 00:01:17.967
That's abuse.

26
00:01:18.107 --> 00:01:19.528
Most of them are insults.

27
00:01:19.748 --> 00:01:22.930
And it's just wonderful because if you've got a friend and you say...

28
00:01:23.490 --> 00:01:24.530
I hope your day's going well.

29
00:01:24.550 --> 00:01:25.350
He says, it's going good.

30
00:01:25.470 --> 00:01:27.051
That's the end of the conversation.

31
00:01:27.191 --> 00:01:27.811
That's not it.

32
00:01:27.851 --> 00:01:30.271
But if he calls you a moron and says, what are you doing?

33
00:01:30.931 --> 00:01:31.612
That's love.

34
00:01:31.652 --> 00:01:32.792
It just makes you laugh.

35
00:01:32.872 --> 00:01:37.773
So he interviewed me yesterday about Compelled, my book, and most of it was insults.

36
00:01:37.793 --> 00:01:40.413
He got his book and showed how big it was compared to my book.

37
00:01:40.433 --> 00:01:41.053
That would be Ken.

38
00:01:41.073 --> 00:01:43.894
Because I'm just very short and he's big and all this sort of stuff.

39
00:01:43.914 --> 00:01:47.755
Anyway, at the end of the interview, he said, is there anything else you'd like to cover?

40
00:01:47.875 --> 00:01:49.295
And I said, yes, your face.

41
00:01:50.175 --> 00:01:54.796
And that was a great end to the interview.

42
00:01:54.916 --> 00:01:56.697
So yeah, Ken and I love each other.

43
00:01:57.637 --> 00:02:00.398
Our ministries are intertwined because we have the same vision.

44
00:02:00.458 --> 00:02:01.638
We respect God's word.

45
00:02:01.658 --> 00:02:02.418
We fear the Lord.

46
00:02:02.458 --> 00:02:03.978
We exalt scripture.

47
00:02:04.178 --> 00:02:08.139
And so we often do things together as ministries.

48
00:02:08.259 --> 00:02:08.840
Absolutely.

49
00:02:08.880 --> 00:02:09.420
I'm delighted.

50
00:02:09.500 --> 00:02:13.621
And he gave me the foreword for the book.

51
00:02:16.781 --> 00:02:18.742
His ability to communicate with,

52
00:02:20.442 --> 00:02:25.766
his love takes your discernment to figure that out.

53
00:02:25.826 --> 00:02:29.609
In other words, what I love about Ken is that he just doesn't give things away like that.

54
00:02:29.889 --> 00:02:32.491
He just doesn't, like say, oh, I love you.

55
00:02:32.731 --> 00:02:33.391
How you doing?

56
00:02:33.671 --> 00:02:34.452
Have a nice day.

57
00:02:34.752 --> 00:02:36.493
If Ken says it, he means it.

58
00:02:36.833 --> 00:02:41.016
But when he says, I don't like you, that is his...

59
00:02:42.137 --> 00:02:46.062
His precious way of saying, I really love you immensely.

60
00:02:46.383 --> 00:02:51.049
And I know that if he's going to watch this right now, he's going to somehow say something now bad about me.

61
00:02:51.530 --> 00:02:53.412
And I'll take that as a profound compliment.

62
00:02:53.813 --> 00:02:54.153
Absolutely.

63
00:02:54.173 --> 00:02:54.654
We love him.

64
00:02:56.637 --> 00:02:58.679
The interview we did yesterday, it's about...

65
00:02:59.400 --> 00:03:02.824
30, 40 minutes long, his team said, we just want to use the outtakes.

66
00:03:03.264 --> 00:03:03.945
The outtakes?

67
00:03:03.985 --> 00:03:06.328
Yeah, because they said that was the best part.

68
00:03:06.428 --> 00:03:07.228
That's probably true.

69
00:03:07.248 --> 00:03:09.130
Knowing you guys, that's probably true.

70
00:03:09.671 --> 00:03:12.114
So the book, what's with the book?

71
00:03:12.254 --> 00:03:13.876
What's Compelled all about?

72
00:03:15.858 --> 00:03:18.480
My journey as a Christian is a mini book of Acts.

73
00:03:19.281 --> 00:03:21.364
It begins with my birth.

74
00:03:21.404 --> 00:03:26.891
When I was born, I was born with a tract in my hand, which I gave to the doctor that delivered me.

75
00:03:27.532 --> 00:03:31.577
It's just because of my background and why it is that I'm so compelled to reach the lost.

76
00:03:32.376 --> 00:03:35.377
I look at myself as a normal biblical Christian.

77
00:03:35.437 --> 00:03:35.977
That's right.

78
00:03:36.097 --> 00:03:37.378
I'm on fire for God.

79
00:03:37.418 --> 00:03:42.320
I'm a man that's found everlasting life while I'm surrounded by people who are sitting in the shadow of death.

80
00:03:42.340 --> 00:03:43.940
Well, let me lift it up a little bit.

81
00:03:44.501 --> 00:03:52.504
I'm like a firefighter, and in front of me is a building with people in it that are screaming, and I've got a ladder to climb to try and rescue them.

82
00:03:52.524 --> 00:03:55.825
And that's what the Bible likens us to in the book of Jude.

83
00:03:56.926 --> 00:04:03.093
others having compassion, making a difference, pulling them from the fire, hating them in the garments spotted by the flesh.

84
00:04:03.813 --> 00:04:08.138
And when I look at the contemporary church, it's as though the world's forgotten or the church has forgotten.

85
00:04:08.158 --> 00:04:09.219
Maybe that was a, yeah.

86
00:04:09.660 --> 00:04:16.588
Maybe the church has forgotten that hell even exists because we're so caught up in everything but what we see in the book of Acts.

87
00:04:17.228 --> 00:04:20.229
Book of Acts, they came bursting out of the upper room.

88
00:04:20.730 --> 00:04:26.492
They didn't carpet it out, put an air conditioning, a little notice at the front tonight, 7 o'clock, all welcome, come and join us.

89
00:04:26.552 --> 00:04:27.972
Revival here next Saturday night.

90
00:04:28.012 --> 00:04:29.093
Yeah, they didn't say that.

91
00:04:29.113 --> 00:04:29.953
From 7 to 9.

92
00:04:29.973 --> 00:04:31.374
Yeah, they come bursting out.

93
00:04:31.394 --> 00:04:31.854
That's right.

94
00:04:31.874 --> 00:04:35.975
Because Jesus said, go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature.

95
00:04:36.476 --> 00:04:39.477
And so that's been my life from the moment I came to Christ.

96
00:04:40.157 --> 00:04:42.498
I've had an overwhelming experience.

97
00:04:42.558 --> 00:04:43.598
passion for the lost.

98
00:04:44.039 --> 00:04:47.980
And I've had something that's driven me that overwhelms me.

99
00:04:48.140 --> 00:04:51.742
And that is the high octane fuel of gratitude.

100
00:04:52.482 --> 00:04:53.723
That's what drives me.

101
00:04:54.283 --> 00:05:04.268
I cannot put into words my gratitude to God for delivering me from death and saving me from a very real hell.

102
00:05:05.028 --> 00:05:09.490
And my whole life has been, I cannot but speak that which I've seen and heard.

103
00:05:10.048 --> 00:05:13.253
And so the moment I became a Christian, I came back to my house.

104
00:05:13.693 --> 00:05:16.377
I put a billboard out the front of our house with scripture on it.

105
00:05:16.778 --> 00:05:19.201
I purchased a printing press and put it in our home.

106
00:05:19.682 --> 00:05:21.124
I had scripture written on my car.

107
00:05:21.164 --> 00:05:23.568
I purchased a 34-seater bus and had 14-inch lights.

108
00:05:25.290 --> 00:05:26.591
professional sign writing.

109
00:05:26.631 --> 00:05:28.293
Jesus said, I'm the way, the truth, and the life.

110
00:05:28.833 --> 00:05:33.837
And on the other side, I'm the whatever, way, the truth, and life, whatever.

111
00:05:34.397 --> 00:05:38.761
And then I began preaching in the square, in our city, right in the heart of our city.

112
00:05:39.021 --> 00:05:39.681
Oh, that's what I said.

113
00:05:40.002 --> 00:05:40.602
I had a business.

114
00:05:41.263 --> 00:05:44.145
I used to make leather jackets to order for people, and I had a surf shop.

115
00:05:44.665 --> 00:05:51.450
On the front window of the surf shop, I put John chapter 3, verses 1 to 16, and three-inch professional lettering.

116
00:05:51.471 --> 00:05:51.731
Wow.

117
00:05:51.751 --> 00:05:51.831
Wow.

118
00:05:52.191 --> 00:05:52.851
Because I had...

119
00:05:53.171 --> 00:05:54.452
Sorry, what year was this?

120
00:05:54.852 --> 00:05:55.652
This is 1972.

121
00:05:55.772 --> 00:06:02.095
So this is right in the middle with America, or in America.

122
00:06:02.295 --> 00:06:03.355
You're in Australia at the time.

123
00:06:03.375 --> 00:06:03.656
New Zealand.

124
00:06:03.676 --> 00:06:04.336
No, no, you've just said...

125
00:06:04.816 --> 00:06:05.396
I know, New Zealand.

126
00:06:05.416 --> 00:06:05.856
New Zealand, yes.

127
00:06:06.136 --> 00:06:06.977
You're in New Zealand.

128
00:06:07.137 --> 00:06:10.958
At that time, at the same time, the Jesus movement's taking place in America.

129
00:06:10.978 --> 00:06:11.579
Exactly, yes.

130
00:06:11.779 --> 00:06:12.859
It was the same movement in New Zealand.

131
00:06:12.879 --> 00:06:16.100
Because you're describing your van and the signs and the sayings.

132
00:06:16.400 --> 00:06:16.561
Yeah.

133
00:06:16.661 --> 00:06:19.142
That was going on all over Orange County.

134
00:06:19.162 --> 00:06:19.382
Absolutely.

135
00:06:19.402 --> 00:06:19.802
And so...

136
00:06:20.382 --> 00:06:25.988
I love that testimony because it's the work of the Spirit of God who knows no continents or islands.

137
00:06:26.588 --> 00:06:28.590
He's moving and he's moving in your life.

138
00:06:28.911 --> 00:06:30.152
This is what's going on with you.

139
00:06:30.572 --> 00:06:33.955
So you have a surf shop and that's an interesting combo, Ray.

140
00:06:34.296 --> 00:06:35.757
Surf shop and leather jackets.

141
00:06:35.797 --> 00:06:36.218
How does that?

142
00:06:36.238 --> 00:06:37.879
Well, do you remember Easy Rider?

143
00:06:38.300 --> 00:06:38.880
Of course.

144
00:06:38.920 --> 00:06:40.422
Yeah, remember the fringe jacket?

145
00:06:40.582 --> 00:06:41.183
Of course.

146
00:06:41.643 --> 00:06:42.644
I made 230 fringe jackets.

147
00:06:44.726 --> 00:06:51.090
What happened was before Easy Rider came out, I saw a well-known surfer wearing a leather jacket with fringes on it.

148
00:06:51.110 --> 00:06:52.131
He's just standing on a beach.

149
00:06:52.171 --> 00:06:53.152
And I'm like, whoa.

150
00:06:53.412 --> 00:06:56.394
You know, when there's a surfer here or anything he's wearing, you think it's cool.

151
00:06:56.514 --> 00:06:56.654
Yeah.

152
00:06:56.874 --> 00:06:57.715
So I made one.

153
00:06:57.735 --> 00:07:03.278
And I didn't realize my grandfather was a leather worker on one side and a dress manufacturer on the other side.

154
00:07:03.319 --> 00:07:04.459
So it was in my bones.

155
00:07:05.120 --> 00:07:07.141
I naturally knew how to make jackets.

156
00:07:07.241 --> 00:07:08.162
So I made one.

157
00:07:08.222 --> 00:07:09.303
And I thought, this is cool.

158
00:07:10.103 --> 00:07:12.624
And then I made another four and hung them in my bedroom.

159
00:07:12.664 --> 00:07:16.605
And some guys heard about it, drove up our driveway and purchased four jackets.

160
00:07:16.805 --> 00:07:17.665
And I thought, whoa.

161
00:07:17.865 --> 00:07:18.185
Four?

162
00:07:18.445 --> 00:07:18.745
Four.

163
00:07:19.125 --> 00:07:20.085
And I worked at four.

164
00:07:20.145 --> 00:07:21.406
And I had one left.

165
00:07:21.526 --> 00:07:22.686
I worked in a bank at a time.

166
00:07:22.726 --> 00:07:28.227
So I quit my bank job, opened a leather gear shop, and began making those jackets.

167
00:07:28.247 --> 00:07:30.308
And I could make a leather jacket with fringes on.

168
00:07:31.531 --> 00:07:35.153
to order for someone within an hour and three quarters of me measuring them up.

169
00:07:35.633 --> 00:07:36.473
Just measure them up.

170
00:07:36.593 --> 00:07:38.774
So they come back in an hour and three quarters and they got a friend's checker.

171
00:07:38.954 --> 00:07:39.755
It was unlined.

172
00:07:39.775 --> 00:07:40.675
It was just rough.

173
00:07:41.395 --> 00:07:48.939
And I ended up making 235 of them because of the fact Easy Rider came out at that exact time and made that very, very trendy.

174
00:07:49.439 --> 00:07:51.620
And so I had a very successful business.

175
00:07:52.180 --> 00:07:55.581
I had my own home, lovely wife, everything I wanted at the age of 20.

176
00:07:57.182 --> 00:07:58.423
I had a Solomon experience.

177
00:07:58.964 --> 00:08:04.649
I didn't have the wives of Solomon, the riches of Solomon, or the wisdom of Solomon, but I had the experience of Solomon.

178
00:08:05.229 --> 00:08:07.731
I grew old prematurely.

179
00:08:08.092 --> 00:08:10.754
At the age of 20, I'd done everything I wanted.

180
00:08:10.874 --> 00:08:11.795
I traveled, rich art,

181
00:08:13.071 --> 00:08:15.172
put me on a cruiser, went to Tahiti, Fiji.

182
00:08:15.552 --> 00:08:16.252
I'd done everything.

183
00:08:16.292 --> 00:08:17.132
I thought, what's next?

184
00:08:17.192 --> 00:08:18.433
And life became futile.

185
00:08:18.473 --> 00:08:18.893
Oh, man.

186
00:08:18.913 --> 00:08:19.573
Chasing the wind.

187
00:08:19.593 --> 00:08:21.254
And one night, looked at my wife.

188
00:08:21.334 --> 00:08:22.074
I'd just gone to sleep.

189
00:08:22.114 --> 00:08:22.874
We're newly married.

190
00:08:23.314 --> 00:08:26.476
And I wept at the futility of life, the fact of death.

191
00:08:26.496 --> 00:08:27.996
Just tears streamed down my cheeks.

192
00:08:28.436 --> 00:08:30.597
I looked to the heavens and cried out, why?

193
00:08:31.037 --> 00:08:40.220
It made no sense that where we're sitting in the shadow of death, death was going to grab every human being, drag it into this blackness that no one talked about.

194
00:08:40.620 --> 00:08:45.021
And at the same time, man was putting a man on the moon and didn't know what was happening here on earth.

195
00:08:45.041 --> 00:08:45.942
People were dying.

196
00:08:46.222 --> 00:08:47.042
Didn't care about it.

197
00:08:47.182 --> 00:08:47.702
Wow, so true.

198
00:08:47.862 --> 00:08:51.383
And so six months later, I didn't realize that God heard that prayer.

199
00:08:51.463 --> 00:08:52.444
I didn't even pray.

200
00:08:52.484 --> 00:08:53.924
That why was just a cry.

201
00:08:54.044 --> 00:08:55.184
Oh, yeah, he heard it.

202
00:08:55.284 --> 00:08:56.025
And he heard it.

203
00:08:56.605 --> 00:09:00.086
And I was on a surfing trip, and there was an open Bible on a desk.

204
00:09:00.886 --> 00:09:03.407
And I, for some reason, started reading it, and I read this.

205
00:09:04.127 --> 00:09:06.987
You've heard it said, by them of old, you shall not commit adultery.

206
00:09:07.007 --> 00:09:07.548
And I stopped.

207
00:09:08.128 --> 00:09:11.008
Well, if there's a heaven, I'll make it, because I've never committed adultery.

208
00:09:11.629 --> 00:09:13.209
And then I saw what came next.

209
00:09:13.289 --> 00:09:14.129
The next verse.

210
00:09:14.149 --> 00:09:16.830
It blew me across the room, so to speak.

211
00:09:17.010 --> 00:09:22.751
But I say to you, whoever looks upon a woman to lust for her has committed adultery already with her in his heart.

212
00:09:23.351 --> 00:09:29.233
And I was just condemned, because I was like every male, burned with unlawful sexual desire.

213
00:09:31.653 --> 00:09:54.743
I had no idea I believed in God, but I didn't know he saw my thought life and that was the revelation That brought me to the foot of the cross and that's when I came back from that surfing trip Like a man on fire and I put a soapbox in the heart of our city City of 350,000 people and I preached the gospel every day for 12 years every weekday for 12 years and Nowadays, I mean I was just a raving fanatic in those days nowadays.

214
00:09:54.803 --> 00:09:55.744
I'm far worse I

215
00:09:56.687 --> 00:09:58.048
Because I'm closer to death.

216
00:09:58.088 --> 00:09:59.029
I'm coming up to 77.

217
00:09:59.209 --> 00:10:00.109
Are you?

218
00:10:00.129 --> 00:10:02.771
So I'm so grateful.

219
00:10:02.831 --> 00:10:03.491
Thank you very much.

220
00:10:03.952 --> 00:10:07.334
I am so grateful that God saved me from death.

221
00:10:07.854 --> 00:10:12.417
Because when you get to this age, every morning you wake up, you say, whoa, I got another day.

222
00:10:13.078 --> 00:10:16.320
And I'm so grateful that I use every minute I can to reach the lost.

223
00:10:16.900 --> 00:10:19.482
And so this book gives the background of what happened, but...

224
00:10:20.680 --> 00:10:22.961
Let me share, if I may, just if I'm talking too much.

225
00:10:23.341 --> 00:10:24.681
No, no, this is...

226
00:10:24.821 --> 00:10:30.803
In the surfing scene, I had a surf shop, and so I had a close relationship with all the surfers.

227
00:10:31.763 --> 00:10:37.205
I started a club that gave discounts to surfers on surfboards, 240 people, members.

228
00:10:37.785 --> 00:10:41.386
And so I was very familiar with these guys, and when there was no surf, they were bored.

229
00:10:41.906 --> 00:10:45.347
And so they started using drugs, LSD and other drugs.

230
00:10:46.188 --> 00:10:46.388
And...

231
00:10:47.708 --> 00:10:50.531
After some time, I counted up, I became a Christian.

232
00:10:50.711 --> 00:10:51.892
They stayed doing what they were doing.

233
00:10:52.432 --> 00:10:54.975
Five of them had died from that surf scene.

234
00:10:55.595 --> 00:10:59.459
And so I produced a little paper, eight-page paper, called My Friends Are Dying.

235
00:11:02.241 --> 00:11:02.982
People heard of it.

236
00:11:03.062 --> 00:11:04.223
This businessman heard of it.

237
00:11:04.984 --> 00:11:09.308
Gave money towards it, and we put it into every school in New Zealand, that little paper.

238
00:11:09.328 --> 00:11:09.588
Yeah.

239
00:11:09.788 --> 00:11:10.048
Wow.

240
00:11:10.328 --> 00:11:12.389
And just saying about, be careful of drugs.

241
00:11:12.409 --> 00:11:16.331
So I wrote a book called My Friends Are Dying that became a national bestseller.

242
00:11:16.891 --> 00:11:26.936
And the reason it became a bestseller is because I opened a drug prevention center as a Christian on High Street, which is an unfortunate choice of street names for a drug center.

243
00:11:27.096 --> 00:11:29.057
Yeah, that's... High Street, it didn't go down.

244
00:11:29.097 --> 00:11:29.778
It sticks, though.

245
00:11:29.798 --> 00:11:30.598
Yeah, it sticks.

246
00:11:31.298 --> 00:11:36.341
So I had this drug prevention center where I'd send teams out to schools and we'd preach the gospel in the schools.

247
00:11:36.961 --> 00:11:37.622
Drug prevention.

248
00:11:38.242 --> 00:11:43.806
Hadn't fake marijuana plants that I got from the US, the smell of marijuana and books on marijuana.

249
00:11:44.486 --> 00:11:46.828
Anyway, two drug addicts came in to see what I was doing.

250
00:11:47.428 --> 00:11:48.169
And I got to know them.

251
00:11:48.589 --> 00:11:53.193
One of them was the type of girl that you'd imagine in a cowboy movie that just, she's the...

252
00:11:54.022 --> 00:11:55.022
Friend of every cowboy.

253
00:11:55.042 --> 00:11:56.583
She's sort of a bit of a loose lady.

254
00:11:56.603 --> 00:11:57.283
She was like that.

255
00:11:57.843 --> 00:12:02.045
And she did a little swirl in the center.

256
00:12:02.085 --> 00:12:03.865
And I got to know her and a friend.

257
00:12:04.226 --> 00:12:13.889
And while they were in there, National TV called and said, we'd like to interview you because a drug addict just died in prison, overdosed, and we don't know how they get drugs in prison.

258
00:12:14.249 --> 00:12:15.169
Can we interview you?

259
00:12:15.730 --> 00:12:16.450
And I said, sure.

260
00:12:16.550 --> 00:12:18.010
They said, we'll be there in three minutes.

261
00:12:18.330 --> 00:12:19.551
National TV.

262
00:12:20.211 --> 00:12:22.232
So I put the phone down and thought, I have no idea.

263
00:12:22.712 --> 00:12:24.233
Yeah, they get drugs into prison.

264
00:12:24.613 --> 00:12:27.615
So I turned to these drug addicts and they said, oh, they inject oranges.

265
00:12:28.055 --> 00:12:30.376
They put LSD under postage stamps.

266
00:12:30.396 --> 00:12:32.197
Okay, I had no idea about this stuff.

267
00:12:32.297 --> 00:12:33.018
I had no idea.

268
00:12:33.038 --> 00:12:36.900
So five minutes later, I'm on national television saying they inject oranges.

269
00:12:36.980 --> 00:12:39.041
They put LSD under postage stamps.

270
00:12:39.321 --> 00:12:40.282
Everybody knows that.

271
00:12:40.302 --> 00:12:45.365
So I became thrust forth as an expert on the whole drug prevention thing.

272
00:12:45.385 --> 00:12:48.907
And that opened wide an itinerant ministry for me because I preached the gospel.

273
00:12:48.927 --> 00:12:49.447
Oh, my goodness.

274
00:12:49.447 --> 00:12:53.810
With all service groups and schools that invite me and all sorts of things happen.

275
00:12:53.850 --> 00:12:59.333
So about two weeks after that incident, the police called and said, we've found two bodies.

276
00:12:59.773 --> 00:13:04.276
And there's a girl with a green Bible with your name signed in it to her.

277
00:13:04.757 --> 00:13:06.157
And that overdosed and they were dead.

278
00:13:06.918 --> 00:13:07.859
And so that grieved me.

279
00:13:07.939 --> 00:13:08.619
So I...

280
00:13:10.530 --> 00:13:18.213
began preaching the gospel in different places around the country, and no longer could I do jackets because I was so busy doing this.

281
00:13:19.153 --> 00:13:30.457
And so my pastor asked if I'd come out full-time with the church, and that opened an itinerant ministry to me where people saw that I preached the gospel, and that churches would say, would you come and teach us how to evangelize?

282
00:13:31.134 --> 00:13:33.537
And so I began doing that, and that gave me access.

283
00:13:33.577 --> 00:13:34.719
Tell me if I'm talking too much.

284
00:13:34.959 --> 00:13:35.440
Keep going.

285
00:13:35.560 --> 00:13:39.165
That gave me access to church growth records that I didn't know existed.

286
00:13:39.966 --> 00:13:47.657
And I found that 90% of those making a decision for Christ, under the sound of the modern gospel, were falling away from the faith.

287
00:13:48.117 --> 00:13:51.981
It was in our church, in churches I visited, in church records.

288
00:13:52.001 --> 00:13:57.726
And I thought, if you go fishing and 9 out of 10 fish get out of your net, you better check your net.

289
00:13:57.806 --> 00:13:58.767
Something's wrong.

290
00:13:58.807 --> 00:13:59.288
So I did.

291
00:13:59.308 --> 00:14:00.929
It was a Friday afternoon.

292
00:14:01.510 --> 00:14:03.351
I opened a sermon by Charles Spurgeon.

293
00:14:03.552 --> 00:14:04.673
And this is what I heard him say.

294
00:14:05.798 --> 00:14:08.260
What will you do when the law comes in terror?

295
00:14:08.340 --> 00:14:22.088
When the trumpet of the archangel shall tear you from your grave, when the eyes of God shall burn their way into your guilty soul, when the book shall be opened and all your sin and shame shall be punished, can you stand against an angry law in that day?

296
00:14:22.569 --> 00:14:24.410
And I thought, whoa, that's different from...

297
00:14:24.962 --> 00:14:26.742
God has a wonderful plan in your life.

298
00:14:26.803 --> 00:14:27.943
And I thought, what is he doing?

299
00:14:28.123 --> 00:14:32.444
I thought, he's using the moral law, the Ten Commandments, to bring the knowledge of sin.

300
00:14:32.464 --> 00:14:42.787
So I tucked it in my memory banks, had to travel to about 100 miles to the small church, and I was preparing, and I looked at Galatians 3.24, and I'll never forget what I read.

301
00:14:43.713 --> 00:14:46.834
Wherefore the law was our schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

302
00:14:47.355 --> 00:14:48.875
But I didn't read it as that.

303
00:14:49.076 --> 00:14:50.296
This is what I read it as.

304
00:14:50.816 --> 00:14:54.558
Wherefore the law was Israel's schoolmaster to bring us to Christ.

305
00:14:54.658 --> 00:14:56.599
And I thought, it doesn't say that.

306
00:14:56.659 --> 00:14:57.439
It says us.

307
00:14:57.800 --> 00:14:58.340
Exactly.

308
00:14:58.380 --> 00:15:00.041
And so I closed up the Bible.

309
00:15:00.461 --> 00:15:02.342
I said, I'm going to go and experiment on a sinner.

310
00:15:02.862 --> 00:15:09.111
So I went to these hot pools, sat in this hot pool, and a big guy sat next to me.

311
00:15:09.312 --> 00:15:17.624
And instead of saying, and I asked Jesus into my heart, and that God-shaped vacuum got filled, and my marriage came right, and I was just so happy as a Christian.

312
00:15:17.644 --> 00:15:18.385
I didn't say that.

313
00:15:18.445 --> 00:15:19.085
Yeah, good for you.

314
00:15:19.145 --> 00:15:23.247
I said, I had to face God on judgment day, and he'd given me a conscience, and I knew right from wrong.

315
00:15:23.268 --> 00:15:31.972
I knew it was wrong to lie and steal, lust, fornicate, and blaspheme, because God had written his law upon my heart, and he'd set aside a day in which he'll judge the world in righteousness.

316
00:15:32.332 --> 00:15:34.673
And if I died in my sins, I'd end up in hell justly.

317
00:15:35.154 --> 00:15:37.475
But God's rich in mercy, and he provided a savior.

318
00:15:37.495 --> 00:15:38.755
And I preached Christ crucified.

319
00:15:39.276 --> 00:15:40.216
Never forget what happened.

320
00:15:40.276 --> 00:15:41.177
It was a very cold day.

321
00:15:41.797 --> 00:15:45.458
In a thermal pool, he stood up and he was a steaming man.

322
00:15:45.478 --> 00:15:45.998
He was big.

323
00:15:46.538 --> 00:15:47.578
And he stood there steaming.

324
00:15:47.598 --> 00:15:50.759
He looked at me and he says, I've never heard that put so clearly in all my life.

325
00:15:50.999 --> 00:15:51.439
That's right.

326
00:15:51.519 --> 00:15:54.940
And it was like a light went on his head and a light went on my head.

327
00:15:55.220 --> 00:16:02.242
So I went back to our city and I began studying the gospel proclamation of men like Spurgeon, Wesley, Whitfield, Luther.

328
00:16:02.302 --> 00:16:02.622
Edwards.

329
00:16:02.642 --> 00:16:03.782
Think of Jonathan Edwards.

330
00:16:03.802 --> 00:16:04.462
He's very reminiscent.

331
00:16:04.482 --> 00:16:05.862
He was in the hands of a hangry God.

332
00:16:06.262 --> 00:16:07.063
No wonderful plan.

333
00:16:07.123 --> 00:16:07.943
Enfield, Connecticut.

334
00:16:08.183 --> 00:16:08.583
Amazing.

335
00:16:08.883 --> 00:16:14.870
So I saw they said, if you do not precede grace with the moral law, you'll fill the church with false converts.

336
00:16:15.271 --> 00:16:16.592
And the whole principle is so simple.

337
00:16:16.612 --> 00:16:16.833
That's it.

338
00:16:17.293 --> 00:16:21.458
You do not give a cure to a man who doesn't believe he has the disease.

339
00:16:21.819 --> 00:16:27.385
You've got to open the symptoms of the disease so they'll appreciate and appropriate the cure.

340
00:16:27.926 --> 00:16:30.787
So I formulated this into a teaching called Hell's Best Kept.

341
00:16:30.907 --> 00:16:31.508
Of course.

342
00:16:32.228 --> 00:16:33.288
And I began teaching it.

343
00:16:33.308 --> 00:16:35.249
I was invited to Hawaii to teach.

344
00:16:35.329 --> 00:16:36.270
Someone has to go there.

345
00:16:36.430 --> 00:16:37.710
Yes, someone's got to go.

346
00:16:37.830 --> 00:16:40.692
And I preached in a missionary base.

347
00:16:41.452 --> 00:16:46.994
And a pastor from California sat in, and he was at Calvary Chapel, Pastor Gary Anstall.

348
00:16:47.455 --> 00:16:48.175
Oh, yeah, okay.

349
00:16:48.275 --> 00:16:49.335
He totally disagreed.

350
00:16:49.455 --> 00:16:50.676
He said, no, no, this is wrong.

351
00:16:50.816 --> 00:16:55.018
He began studying it and began calling him in New Zealand day after day.

352
00:16:55.538 --> 00:16:56.939
reading Bible verses to me.

353
00:16:56.959 --> 00:17:04.284
And he said, one day just said, I believe God is calling you to bring this message to the church of the U.S. America must hear this message.

354
00:17:04.444 --> 00:17:04.845
That's right.

355
00:17:05.085 --> 00:17:06.586
He said, what do you pray about coming over here?

356
00:17:06.626 --> 00:17:07.527
So we prayed about it.

357
00:17:08.247 --> 00:17:12.550
And in three days, 13 crazy weird things happened.

358
00:17:13.150 --> 00:17:17.173
Like I said to a guy, just a friend, you know, I'm thinking of selling my house.

359
00:17:17.213 --> 00:17:17.934
He said, I'll buy it.

360
00:17:18.114 --> 00:17:19.475
And he did just like that.

361
00:17:19.495 --> 00:17:20.356
I thought I've got a house.

362
00:17:21.236 --> 00:17:27.298
My father-in-law, who's a Christian, I went to tell him, he says, God spoke to my heart three days ago that you were going to the U.S.

363
00:17:27.698 --> 00:17:29.899
Went to tell my mom and she actually cussed me out.

364
00:17:29.919 --> 00:17:30.479
She's Jewish.

365
00:17:31.219 --> 00:17:33.840
And she said, you're taking my grandchildren from me.

366
00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:35.661
And she was just angry.

367
00:17:36.041 --> 00:17:41.082
Three days later, she called and she said God had spoken to her heart that I was going to go to the U.S.

368
00:17:41.542 --> 00:17:42.843
So all these things kept happening.

369
00:17:43.523 --> 00:17:48.848
Came to the U.S., and I'm squeezing things up here, but for the first three years, it was very, very quiet.

370
00:17:49.389 --> 00:17:50.309
No one knew who I was.

371
00:17:50.349 --> 00:17:56.615
In New Zealand, I had an established itinerant ministry, and if I mentioned my pastor, that's, oh, Peter Morrow, yeah, sure, come and preach.

372
00:17:56.655 --> 00:17:57.656
He's your pastor.

373
00:17:58.117 --> 00:18:01.480
No one knew who he was in the U.S., and I felt like a Jehovah's Witness.

374
00:18:02.040 --> 00:18:03.061
I had no credibility.

375
00:18:03.081 --> 00:18:03.602
I had no credibility.

376
00:18:04.060 --> 00:18:07.162
But then, I filled in that time by going to MacArthur Park.

377
00:18:07.222 --> 00:18:08.383
Are you familiar with MacArthur Park?

378
00:18:08.403 --> 00:18:09.563
Yeah, of course.

379
00:18:09.923 --> 00:18:11.965
I heard about it in New Zealand because of the song.

380
00:18:12.125 --> 00:18:12.325
Yeah.

381
00:18:12.805 --> 00:18:14.266
Someone left the cake out in the rain.

382
00:18:14.366 --> 00:18:14.546
Yeah.

383
00:18:14.946 --> 00:18:18.488
And so I went there to preach and it was horrific.

384
00:18:18.528 --> 00:18:19.509
Sorry, what year was this?

385
00:18:19.809 --> 00:18:20.409
This is 1989.

386
00:18:23.291 --> 00:18:27.073
Yeah, I went there to preach, and I didn't realize, I just felt directed by the Lord.

387
00:18:27.093 --> 00:18:28.254
It mentions why in here.

388
00:18:29.675 --> 00:18:36.179
To preach there, I didn't realize it had the highest murder rate in Los Angeles, the highest murder rate.

389
00:18:36.779 --> 00:18:42.543
And when I went there, I thought they're all dealing drugs, and I went to do my usual thing, and I got a dollar bill out.

390
00:18:43.243 --> 00:18:45.505
to illustrate that faith without works is dead.

391
00:18:45.726 --> 00:18:46.446
Who would like this?

392
00:18:46.506 --> 00:18:51.471
And I went to give it, and it got ripped in two by the guys that ran forward and panicked over money.

393
00:18:51.511 --> 00:18:54.294
And a girl whispered to me, she said, her name was Snow.

394
00:18:54.414 --> 00:18:55.155
She said, you shouldn't.

395
00:18:56.501 --> 00:18:58.002
you will get murdered for your money.

396
00:18:58.802 --> 00:19:00.643
Preach with your back to this tree.

397
00:19:00.783 --> 00:19:02.804
And from then on, I preached with your back to the tree.

398
00:19:03.104 --> 00:19:04.445
And it was very murderous.

399
00:19:04.785 --> 00:19:06.326
People got killed regularly.

400
00:19:08.487 --> 00:19:11.109
They were in such a sorry state.

401
00:19:11.129 --> 00:19:12.129
I took sandwiches to them.

402
00:19:12.229 --> 00:19:15.311
I used to be a wet field going to the coal mines.

403
00:19:15.331 --> 00:19:16.031
Yeah, yeah.

404
00:19:17.532 --> 00:19:23.174
I'd say to Sue how hungry they were, and I'd break down in tears, and we'd make sandwiches, and I'd bring sandwiches back to them.

405
00:19:23.695 --> 00:19:25.255
Then I began tending wounds.

406
00:19:25.415 --> 00:19:26.616
One guy had a knee.

407
00:19:27.316 --> 00:19:30.858
If you get an orange and go like that, that's what his knee looked like.

408
00:19:30.878 --> 00:19:31.278
Oh, gosh.

409
00:19:31.578 --> 00:19:34.239
And I got him to go to the doctor's, and they said he had gangrene.

410
00:19:34.639 --> 00:19:38.361
And there was a lot of that there, and I'd bathe their wounds and stuff like that.

411
00:19:38.401 --> 00:19:41.442
And then the police put a substation in the middle of the park.

412
00:19:41.862 --> 00:19:43.843
Everything scattered, and my whole ministry was gone.

413
00:19:44.484 --> 00:19:44.924
However...

414
00:19:45.684 --> 00:19:51.067
Just a little after that, a well-known minister called and he said, I've heard Hell's Best Kept Secret.

415
00:19:51.167 --> 00:19:52.548
I want to fly you to San Jose.

416
00:19:52.648 --> 00:19:54.489
I want you to preach it to a thousand pastors.

417
00:19:55.069 --> 00:19:56.610
I preached it to a thousand pastors.

418
00:19:56.670 --> 00:20:00.733
He put it on video and screened the video to 30,000 pastors.

419
00:20:01.393 --> 00:20:03.534
And suddenly our ministry just exploded.

420
00:20:03.874 --> 00:20:05.655
And I had credibility instantly.

421
00:20:05.675 --> 00:20:07.036
God had opened doors.

422
00:20:08.057 --> 00:20:12.499
And so that's what I go into details about that in the book.

423
00:20:12.880 --> 00:20:13.080
And...

424
00:20:14.733 --> 00:20:18.534
how the doors opened, David Wilkerson, remember David Wilkerson?

425
00:20:18.554 --> 00:20:19.854
Oh my goodness, of course.

426
00:20:20.634 --> 00:20:21.994
I called him from New Zealand.

427
00:20:22.914 --> 00:20:26.235
I wanted him to come to New Zealand and do a crusade there.

428
00:20:27.275 --> 00:20:29.355
Twice I got up in the middle of the night to call him.

429
00:20:29.876 --> 00:20:33.136
Second time I called because I couldn't get through to him in New York.

430
00:20:33.776 --> 00:20:38.997
His manager came on, his crusade manager, and said, Mr. Wilkerson is not available.

431
00:20:39.017 --> 00:20:40.177
I said, I'm calling from New Zealand.

432
00:20:40.197 --> 00:20:41.738
I mean, waiting up for two hours to speak to him.

433
00:20:41.758 --> 00:20:44.078
He said, Mr. Wilkerson's not available.

434
00:20:45.345 --> 00:20:52.628
Long story short, David Wilkerson calls me in 1991, calling from his car, he says, I've just heard how it's best kept secret.

435
00:20:52.948 --> 00:20:54.748
I wanna fly you to preach my church.

436
00:20:54.788 --> 00:20:57.689
So I had the joy of having breakfast.

437
00:20:57.729 --> 00:20:58.910
Wasn't that Times Square Church?

438
00:20:59.010 --> 00:21:00.050
Yeah, Times Square Church.

439
00:21:00.830 --> 00:21:03.511
I had the joy of having breakfast with David Wilkerson.

440
00:21:03.891 --> 00:21:07.533
And Jack, I don't think I heard a word he said.

441
00:21:07.573 --> 00:21:09.313
I was just thinking, that's David Wilkerson.

442
00:21:09.353 --> 00:21:10.594
I could reach out and poke his eye.

443
00:21:10.974 --> 00:21:13.915
I could right now because this is the cross and the switchblade guy.

444
00:21:14.655 --> 00:21:16.195
And here's something crazy that happened.

445
00:21:17.015 --> 00:21:22.116
Oh, he said to me over breakfast, he said, I had a guy in my church just recently preaching.

446
00:21:22.136 --> 00:21:26.637
He was a little off, so I stopped him halfway through the sermon and sent him on his way with a big honorarium.

447
00:21:27.197 --> 00:21:30.318
And it was like he was saying to me, you just stay online here.

448
00:21:30.518 --> 00:21:30.998
Exactly.

449
00:21:31.058 --> 00:21:32.478
And he got me back, which was great.

450
00:21:33.098 --> 00:21:33.398
Wow.

451
00:21:33.558 --> 00:21:35.239
But this is what happened when I got back.

452
00:21:35.259 --> 00:21:38.579
This is what a doofus I am and how Ken Ham's right about me being a moron.

453
00:21:39.339 --> 00:21:40.519
I got back to LA.

454
00:21:41.099 --> 00:21:43.420
At LAX, I see Pat Boone.

455
00:21:44.400 --> 00:21:45.822
getting his luggage.

456
00:21:46.422 --> 00:21:48.725
So I went up to him and I says, hi, how you doing?

457
00:21:48.985 --> 00:21:49.665
Nice to meet you.

458
00:21:49.706 --> 00:21:51.768
I said, have you heard of Dave Wilkerson?

459
00:21:52.656 --> 00:21:56.997
He acted as Dave Wilkerson in the movie The Cross and the Switchblade with Eric Estrada.

460
00:21:57.017 --> 00:22:00.138
And I was saying, have you ever heard of David Wilkerson when he acted the part?

461
00:22:00.418 --> 00:22:01.699
I forgot Eric Estrada.

462
00:22:01.899 --> 00:22:05.440
Eric Estrada was the gang member.

463
00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:07.521
Was he the Nicky Cruz guy?

464
00:22:07.541 --> 00:22:07.821
Yeah.

465
00:22:07.841 --> 00:22:08.601
Yeah, yeah.

466
00:22:09.221 --> 00:22:16.103
And so it was just wonderful that David Wilkerson put his blessing on the ministry along with this other minister that preached it.

467
00:22:16.263 --> 00:22:18.304
We got it preached to 30,000 pastors.

468
00:22:18.424 --> 00:22:18.664
Anyway.

469
00:22:19.184 --> 00:22:19.824
That's amazing.

470
00:22:19.864 --> 00:22:20.084
Yes.

471
00:22:20.144 --> 00:22:20.925
No, please.

472
00:22:21.425 --> 00:22:21.885
No question.

473
00:22:24.580 --> 00:22:29.041
Fast forward, Kirk Cameron heard Hell's Best Gap Secret.

474
00:22:29.082 --> 00:22:30.502
He said he listened to it twice.

475
00:22:31.302 --> 00:22:32.563
First time, didn't make sense.

476
00:22:33.443 --> 00:22:38.005
Second time, he pulled his car over the side of the road and says, am I a false convert?

477
00:22:38.505 --> 00:22:40.905
I'm going to a church and I'm going to preach something that's not true.

478
00:22:41.606 --> 00:22:44.427
And he called and he said, can I have lunch with you?

479
00:22:45.187 --> 00:22:47.368
And I said, let me check my calendar.

480
00:22:47.608 --> 00:22:47.888
Yeah.

481
00:22:49.237 --> 00:22:54.840
Anyway, Kirk came over and we had the joy of spending three hours over lunch and he just had question after question after question.

482
00:22:55.380 --> 00:22:58.102
And he said, I want to combine ministries with you.

483
00:22:59.063 --> 00:23:03.085
And what that did was open up doors that normally wouldn't open to me.

484
00:23:03.445 --> 00:23:08.308
Because Christian television, if I may say it, TBN, had Kirk going to be interviewed.

485
00:23:08.388 --> 00:23:10.009
The interviewer got sick one night.

486
00:23:10.807 --> 00:23:12.308
And so they said, Kirk, would you host?

487
00:23:12.388 --> 00:23:14.949
And he said, yeah, I want to interview Ray Comfort.

488
00:23:15.549 --> 00:23:16.469
And so he got me on.

489
00:23:16.970 --> 00:23:22.932
He interviewed me for 15 minutes, and he got my notes and preached Hell's Best Kept Secret on worldwide television.

490
00:23:24.013 --> 00:23:26.394
Next day, our website crashed.

491
00:23:26.454 --> 00:23:28.755
It had over a million, it was called Hits or whatever happened.

492
00:23:28.775 --> 00:23:29.015
Right.

493
00:23:29.515 --> 00:23:29.995
Crashed.

494
00:23:30.536 --> 00:23:32.556
And so TBN said, come back and teach more.

495
00:23:32.577 --> 00:23:33.417
He said, no, no.

496
00:23:33.997 --> 00:23:38.078
we will produce a television program that teaches Christians how to share their faith biblically.

497
00:23:38.818 --> 00:23:40.859
Long story short, we're in our 11th season.

498
00:23:41.179 --> 00:23:50.002
It's gone to 190 countries over a 20-year period, and it's equipped Christians on how to address the conscience rather than the intellect to follow in the footsteps of Jesus.

499
00:23:50.542 --> 00:23:52.882
So I look back and just say, wow.

500
00:23:53.463 --> 00:23:56.964
And I've even missed out a lot of the things that happened on the way there.

501
00:23:58.424 --> 00:24:01.265
But I look back and just say, Lord, you did wonderful things.

502
00:24:02.215 --> 00:24:04.976
with a guy who's a nobody from nowhere.

503
00:24:04.996 --> 00:24:05.937
A little country.

504
00:24:05.957 --> 00:24:07.538
People hadn't even heard of New Zealand.

505
00:24:08.238 --> 00:24:10.719
And Jack, I want to tell you something.

506
00:24:10.739 --> 00:24:12.140
I have no talent.

507
00:24:12.620 --> 00:24:13.240
Absolutely none.

508
00:24:14.221 --> 00:24:14.941
I can't sing.

509
00:24:15.381 --> 00:24:18.363
Sue is the only one that's ever heard me sing because it's so bad.

510
00:24:18.403 --> 00:24:20.083
If I sung down the beach, the tide...

511
00:24:20.184 --> 00:24:21.584
I'm tracking what...

512
00:24:22.465 --> 00:24:23.665
I resemble these remarks.

513
00:24:23.685 --> 00:24:23.885
Okay.

514
00:24:24.305 --> 00:24:26.647
If I sang down the beach, the tide wouldn't come in.

515
00:24:26.707 --> 00:24:27.327
It's that bad.

516
00:24:28.207 --> 00:24:29.048
I can't dance.

517
00:24:29.957 --> 00:24:31.017
I can't clap.

518
00:24:31.077 --> 00:24:36.660
I've been in black churches down south, up on the platform, and I'm embarrassed because I cannot do what they're doing.

519
00:24:37.080 --> 00:24:43.683
And so I pretended to read my notes because they're all dancing and clapping, and I don't know how to clap in the same beat.

520
00:24:44.043 --> 00:24:45.724
I'm useless at sport.

521
00:24:45.744 --> 00:24:46.484
I couldn't play sport.

522
00:24:46.504 --> 00:24:47.124
I couldn't run.

523
00:24:47.905 --> 00:24:48.865
I couldn't do long jump.

524
00:24:49.665 --> 00:24:50.526
High jump was out.

525
00:24:50.646 --> 00:24:53.727
The only thing I could do was hurdles because I'd go under the hurdle.

526
00:24:56.113 --> 00:25:02.799
So when I became a Christian, I found an amazing truth in that God uses people without talent.

527
00:25:02.919 --> 00:25:03.379
Yes, sir.

528
00:25:03.459 --> 00:25:07.063
He goes past the sons of Jesse and goes for the little guy in the back looking after sheep.

529
00:25:07.083 --> 00:25:07.743
Hallelujah for that.

530
00:25:08.063 --> 00:25:10.205
And I come from a country that looks after sheep.

531
00:25:10.786 --> 00:25:11.967
I don't know if you know, but New Zealand.

532
00:25:11.987 --> 00:25:12.187
It's true.

533
00:25:12.287 --> 00:25:12.768
New Zealand.

534
00:25:12.928 --> 00:25:13.688
Yeah, New Zealand has.

535
00:25:13.748 --> 00:25:14.829
More than anywhere in the world, right?

536
00:25:14.849 --> 00:25:14.970
Yep.

537
00:25:15.150 --> 00:25:23.357
It has 4 million people and something like 40 or 50 million sheep, although they're not sure of the exact amount because the guy that counts them keeps falling to sleep.

538
00:25:26.283 --> 00:25:27.584
I wish I had that kind of wit.

539
00:25:27.804 --> 00:25:28.065
Yeah.

540
00:25:28.265 --> 00:25:29.386
Well, yeah, yeah.

541
00:25:29.926 --> 00:25:31.107
People raise their eyes.

542
00:25:31.727 --> 00:25:36.071
So anyway, when I became a Christian, I found that God uses people without talent.

543
00:25:36.551 --> 00:25:39.994
And anyone, anyone can exercise faith.

544
00:25:40.675 --> 00:25:41.035
Anyone.

545
00:25:41.115 --> 00:25:41.555
It's true.

546
00:25:41.756 --> 00:25:43.217
Faith is a level playing field.

547
00:25:43.257 --> 00:25:43.937
And Jesus said.

548
00:25:44.098 --> 00:25:44.998
Children do it the best.

549
00:25:45.138 --> 00:25:46.019
Yeah, absolutely.

550
00:25:46.319 --> 00:25:46.860
No talent.

551
00:25:48.332 --> 00:25:51.695
Jesus said, if you've got faith as a mustard seed, you'll move mountains.

552
00:25:51.755 --> 00:25:54.237
That's not real mountains because where would you put them?

553
00:25:54.637 --> 00:25:56.519
Like, anyone seen Mount Everest?

554
00:25:56.619 --> 00:25:57.559
Oh, those Christians again.

555
00:25:57.579 --> 00:25:58.360
What's the benefit?

556
00:25:58.420 --> 00:25:59.021
Yeah, yeah.

557
00:25:59.121 --> 00:26:02.704
It's talking about great things can be accomplished if you'll just trust God.

558
00:26:02.804 --> 00:26:03.704
Big things.

559
00:26:03.985 --> 00:26:09.069
And that's what I look back and say, Lord, you've taken this little nobody from nowhere and used me for big things.

560
00:26:09.149 --> 00:26:09.669
I love it.

561
00:26:09.689 --> 00:26:10.550
Extremely humbled.

562
00:26:11.983 --> 00:26:12.443
So love it.

563
00:26:13.264 --> 00:26:14.384
I want you to keep sharing.

564
00:26:14.404 --> 00:26:18.787
We've got the time for you to jump back onto some things that you might have left out.

565
00:26:19.768 --> 00:26:26.712
But before we do that, first of all, 100% agree with you.

566
00:26:28.973 --> 00:26:30.354
But here's what I want to challenge you.

567
00:26:30.474 --> 00:26:33.496
I know the answer, but I want to hear from Ray Comfort.

568
00:26:33.516 --> 00:26:34.636
I want our audience to hear this.

569
00:26:36.217 --> 00:26:40.500
What in the world, Ray, has happened to the American church that left off

570
00:26:41.958 --> 00:26:43.879
preaching the true gospel of God.

571
00:26:44.459 --> 00:26:52.624
Because Jesus, the disciples, the first word out of their mouth was repent.

572
00:26:54.185 --> 00:26:58.447
It presupposes that something was said

573
00:27:00.145 --> 00:27:04.627
about being an adulterer or a liar or a thief or whatever it is.

574
00:27:05.507 --> 00:27:09.628
Therefore repent and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved.

575
00:27:09.988 --> 00:27:14.030
But we have churches that won't even mention the word repent.

576
00:27:14.590 --> 00:27:20.332
But how did the American church get away from the true gospel?

577
00:27:21.292 --> 00:27:22.192
When did this happen?

578
00:27:23.093 --> 00:27:25.914
Really good question and we can see it happen in the Old Testament.

579
00:27:26.114 --> 00:27:28.014
What happened with Israel again and again?

580
00:27:30.429 --> 00:27:31.130
That's what happened.

581
00:27:32.330 --> 00:27:33.371
Moses is up in the mountain.

582
00:27:33.391 --> 00:27:34.292
Lose sight of Moses.

583
00:27:34.312 --> 00:27:35.633
They go straight into idolatry.

584
00:27:35.793 --> 00:27:41.957
Why is idolatry so acceptable, so attractive to sinful man?

585
00:27:42.057 --> 00:27:44.299
Because an idol has no moral dictate.

586
00:27:44.719 --> 00:27:46.681
An idol doesn't say you shall not commit adultery.

587
00:27:46.821 --> 00:27:47.702
Right.

588
00:27:48.362 --> 00:27:50.203
You've got an idol, your own image of God.

589
00:27:50.764 --> 00:27:51.524
You can fornicate.

590
00:27:51.644 --> 00:27:52.765
You can look at the idol.

591
00:27:53.025 --> 00:27:58.209
An idol is your creation of a deity that approves of everything that you want to do.

592
00:27:58.249 --> 00:27:59.190
That's exactly right.

593
00:27:59.370 --> 00:28:01.451
And this is what's happened in the contemporary church.

594
00:28:02.312 --> 00:28:02.552
Wow.

595
00:28:02.812 --> 00:28:04.513
There's been a hatred for the moral law.

596
00:28:04.594 --> 00:28:05.634
Satan hates that law.

597
00:28:06.034 --> 00:28:10.457
There's been a concerted effort to get rid of the Ten Commandments in courts.

598
00:28:10.678 --> 00:28:11.478
You can't have them.

599
00:28:11.518 --> 00:28:12.519
It offends somebody.

600
00:28:12.559 --> 00:28:13.479
Don't have them in schools.

601
00:28:13.519 --> 00:28:14.420
Don't have them in churches.

602
00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:15.321
Don't have them anywhere.

603
00:28:15.381 --> 00:28:15.621
Why?

604
00:28:15.981 --> 00:28:17.642
Because Satan hates that moral law.

605
00:28:17.902 --> 00:28:22.085
You get rid of the moral law, you get rid of Moses, and you end up with a golden calf.

606
00:28:22.105 --> 00:28:24.387
You get a wrong image of God.

607
00:28:24.907 --> 00:28:28.871
And so you've got a God, and this is the God that's spoken of by politicians.

608
00:28:28.911 --> 00:28:33.977
They will say, I believe in God, God and country, and then they'll blaspheme as an name in the next sentence.

609
00:28:33.997 --> 00:28:35.138
And then they'll just rip, exactly.

610
00:28:35.198 --> 00:28:37.260
Because they've got no fear of God before their eyes.

611
00:28:37.340 --> 00:28:38.041
And God who?

612
00:28:38.101 --> 00:28:38.902
Who are you talking about?

613
00:28:38.922 --> 00:28:39.742
That's exactly right.

614
00:28:39.762 --> 00:28:47.530
I've heard Christians give testimony to being delivered by God for 30 minutes how God did this for them, and I thought, you could have been a Muslim.

615
00:28:48.280 --> 00:28:49.041
saying the same thing.

616
00:28:49.281 --> 00:28:49.542
True.

617
00:28:49.882 --> 00:28:50.583
God delivered me.

618
00:28:50.603 --> 00:28:51.144
God did this.

619
00:28:51.184 --> 00:28:51.725
God did that.

620
00:28:51.765 --> 00:28:54.869
They don't preach the gospel, which is the power of God to salvation.

621
00:28:54.889 --> 00:28:55.770
But this is what's happened.

622
00:28:56.451 --> 00:29:01.718
When the law is taken out of the pulpit, then you get a wrong image of God preached.

623
00:29:02.339 --> 00:29:02.499
Yep.

624
00:29:02.559 --> 00:29:03.280
And the reason...

625
00:29:04.287 --> 00:29:10.252
Modern preachers don't talk about hell is because they cannot say God has a wonderful plan for your life.

626
00:29:10.293 --> 00:29:11.293
He's the love of your soul.

627
00:29:11.313 --> 00:29:13.656
You're going to hell if you die and your sins are the lake of fire.

628
00:29:13.896 --> 00:29:15.317
It's too big a gap for them.

629
00:29:15.737 --> 00:29:18.640
So they don't want to discredit God by talking about hell.

630
00:29:18.660 --> 00:29:20.282
That's going to paint him as a tyrant.

631
00:29:20.882 --> 00:29:23.706
And what makes hell reasonable is the moral law.

632
00:29:23.746 --> 00:29:24.167
That's right.

633
00:29:24.287 --> 00:29:28.493
Paul reasoned with Felix of righteousness, temperance, and judgment.

634
00:29:28.513 --> 00:29:29.495
I just read that this morning.

635
00:29:29.535 --> 00:29:30.096
I had no idea.

636
00:29:30.136 --> 00:29:31.598
Of course, we're going to... Wow!

637
00:29:31.858 --> 00:29:35.403
And Felix... You almost convinced me to be a Christian.

638
00:29:35.804 --> 00:29:37.445
And Felix trembled.

639
00:29:37.525 --> 00:29:38.726
He trembled.

640
00:29:38.766 --> 00:29:40.787
So we need to make Felix tremble.

641
00:29:40.847 --> 00:29:44.069
We need to give the Philippian Jander his own personal earthquake.

642
00:29:44.589 --> 00:29:44.889
Why?

643
00:29:45.329 --> 00:29:48.591
Because there is a fear that has torment, but there's a fear that's good.

644
00:29:48.972 --> 00:29:52.153
A fear that's good is a fear that will make you put on a parachute when you're going to jump.

645
00:29:52.333 --> 00:29:52.994
That's your friend.

646
00:29:53.054 --> 00:29:53.694
It's not your enemy.

647
00:29:53.714 --> 00:29:54.735
That fear is good for you.

648
00:29:54.755 --> 00:29:56.276
It's going to make you cling to the parachute.

649
00:29:56.496 --> 00:29:56.956
Right, right.

650
00:29:56.976 --> 00:29:59.498
The Bible says the fear of God is the beginning of wisdom.

651
00:29:59.518 --> 00:30:03.640
And Jesus said, fear not him who has power to kill your body, and afterwards do no more, but fear him.

652
00:30:04.020 --> 00:30:08.281
That's the power to kill your body and destroy your soul in hell.

653
00:30:08.321 --> 00:30:11.421
So there's nothing wrong with making someone fear.

654
00:30:11.761 --> 00:30:13.882
Make them tremble so they'll embrace grace.

655
00:30:14.222 --> 00:30:16.622
Show them the disease so they'll appreciate the cure.

656
00:30:17.463 --> 00:30:20.323
I often say to people, okay, you're a doctor.

657
00:30:21.303 --> 00:30:24.164
You've got a cure in your pocket, but someone in front of you looks really healthy.

658
00:30:24.184 --> 00:30:25.244
He goes to the gym every day.

659
00:30:25.264 --> 00:30:29.245
He looks great, but you know he's going to be dead in three weeks because he's got a terrible disease.

660
00:30:29.265 --> 00:30:30.145
You've seen x-rays.

661
00:30:30.998 --> 00:30:33.819
That cure, are you going to give it to him now or show him the x-rays?

662
00:30:33.859 --> 00:30:34.920
And people say, well, give him the cure.

663
00:30:35.180 --> 00:30:36.020
That's not going to work.

664
00:30:36.060 --> 00:30:36.941
He's not going to take it.

665
00:30:36.981 --> 00:30:38.361
He's going to say, look at me.

666
00:30:38.421 --> 00:30:39.702
He's going to be offended.

667
00:30:40.482 --> 00:30:44.824
No, if you're a doctor that cares about this patient, you're going to say, look at these x-rays.

668
00:30:44.984 --> 00:30:45.945
This is poison.

669
00:30:45.985 --> 00:30:47.225
It's seeping through your system.

670
00:30:47.245 --> 00:30:49.166
And you look at him and say, look, he's beginning to sweat.

671
00:30:49.566 --> 00:30:49.807
Good.

672
00:30:49.847 --> 00:30:50.727
This is what I want.

673
00:30:51.067 --> 00:30:52.988
I want him to see how serious this is.

674
00:30:53.468 --> 00:30:56.890
And so by the time he's sweating, he's going to say, doc, what should I do?

675
00:30:58.519 --> 00:30:59.120
Now you got him.

676
00:30:59.661 --> 00:31:05.546
And what's happened in America is we've preached the cure, the cure, the cure, the gospel, the gospel, the gospel.

677
00:31:05.666 --> 00:31:08.128
Who doesn't know John 3.16 in America?

678
00:31:08.168 --> 00:31:09.069
They can recite it.

679
00:31:09.390 --> 00:31:11.832
They're familiar with the cure, but they don't know anything about the disease.

680
00:31:12.172 --> 00:31:13.854
And that's what we've messed up.

681
00:31:14.034 --> 00:31:15.235
So this leads me to say this.

682
00:31:15.375 --> 00:31:18.158
And again, this is unrehearsed.

683
00:31:18.598 --> 00:31:21.281
I don't mean to be offensive if I come across it.

684
00:31:22.461 --> 00:31:25.942
So some time ago, Ray, you'll know the timing better than me, I think.

685
00:31:26.482 --> 00:31:41.766
Let's say in the last five years, we started seeing on social media posts from college students where there's a revival.

686
00:31:41.826 --> 00:31:43.206
300 people were baptized.

687
00:31:43.266 --> 00:31:44.266
You saw these posts.

688
00:31:44.306 --> 00:31:45.327
Then it's on the news.

689
00:31:46.007 --> 00:31:49.528
I was on Fox being asked this very question.

690
00:31:49.548 --> 00:31:50.768
They didn't like my answer.

691
00:31:52.340 --> 00:31:54.922
But this group is posting.

692
00:31:55.403 --> 00:31:57.064
We had 5,000 people show up.

693
00:31:57.104 --> 00:32:01.267
We sang worship songs and we had baptisms.

694
00:32:01.568 --> 00:32:03.109
I'm just judging it by the posts.

695
00:32:03.869 --> 00:32:04.470
That's all I know.

696
00:32:04.990 --> 00:32:07.432
It's happening all over the United States.

697
00:32:07.633 --> 00:32:08.633
College campuses.

698
00:32:08.753 --> 00:32:09.474
UCLA.

699
00:32:10.795 --> 00:32:11.516
Asbury College.

700
00:32:11.976 --> 00:32:12.837
All these things are happening.

701
00:32:13.457 --> 00:32:15.739
America starts talking about the revival.

702
00:32:15.959 --> 00:32:18.782
Our friend Charlie Kirk, before he passed, he was talking about

703
00:32:19.713 --> 00:32:24.277
young men are in droves are going back to the church.

704
00:32:24.317 --> 00:32:25.919
We're seeing all this report.

705
00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:42.114
Ray, the reason why I was kind of silenced is that on national news, I said, we cannot call these revivals because we've not allowed time enough to,

706
00:32:43.325 --> 00:32:44.886
to see if there's a cultural change.

707
00:32:45.887 --> 00:32:56.513
Because wherever the church is revived, the culture is affected because the people become holy and very much attractive.

708
00:32:57.914 --> 00:32:59.375
God will see to it, to the lost.

709
00:32:59.395 --> 00:33:01.696
They will come and see what's happened here.

710
00:33:01.756 --> 00:33:03.477
What must I do to be saved?

711
00:33:03.817 --> 00:33:04.718
And they said, you got to wait.

712
00:33:04.738 --> 00:33:07.359
You can't call it a revival until you see the fruit of it.

713
00:33:07.940 --> 00:33:11.482
And the reason why he said that, Ray, is because in not one of those posts,

714
00:33:12.412 --> 00:33:13.693
Did I hear the word repent?

715
00:33:14.974 --> 00:33:15.394
Not one.

716
00:33:16.355 --> 00:33:23.161
So I'm still, unless somebody convinces me otherwise, this has been now like four, five, six years.

717
00:33:23.661 --> 00:33:31.127
We're not seeing a cultural shift toward righteousness because I think people sing worship songs and they got wet.

718
00:33:32.348 --> 00:33:34.070
I don't see the evidence of repentance.

719
00:33:34.390 --> 00:33:36.572
That sounds hard, but

720
00:33:37.900 --> 00:33:39.881
What do you think about that?

721
00:33:39.961 --> 00:33:43.443
You've heard about these college revivals that are taking place.

722
00:33:43.543 --> 00:33:45.765
Are they legit?

723
00:33:45.825 --> 00:33:47.486
Are you hearing the gospel preached?

724
00:33:47.946 --> 00:33:52.909
I can't help but be skeptical like you because people come up to me, how many people got saved through your ministry?

725
00:33:52.949 --> 00:33:55.270
I say, I'm sorry, I don't have access to the Lamb's Book of Life.

726
00:33:56.482 --> 00:34:01.163
If I did, I'd better give you the details, but we'll have to wait till that day because there's such a thing as true and false conversion.

727
00:34:01.924 --> 00:34:05.125
And it's very easy to get false converts, the stony ground hero.

728
00:34:05.145 --> 00:34:06.325
Remember the stony ground hero?

729
00:34:06.405 --> 00:34:06.765
Of course.

730
00:34:06.865 --> 00:34:09.286
Receives the world with joy and gladness.

731
00:34:09.386 --> 00:34:10.286
There's no contrition.

732
00:34:10.886 --> 00:34:15.348
Jesus said, straight is the gate and narrow is the way that leads to life and few there be that find it.

733
00:34:15.828 --> 00:34:20.069
Broad is the path that leads to destruction and many go in that way.

734
00:34:20.329 --> 00:34:21.009
It's not the world.

735
00:34:21.389 --> 00:34:22.970
It's a way of entering a false conversion.

736
00:34:23.819 --> 00:34:27.280
And speaking to sinners, James says, cleanse your hands, you sinners.

737
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:30.140
Purify your heart, you double-minded.

738
00:34:30.561 --> 00:34:34.081
Let your laughter be turned to mourning and your joy to heaviness.

739
00:34:34.341 --> 00:34:34.662
Wow.

740
00:34:34.842 --> 00:34:35.802
That's the straight gate.

741
00:34:36.282 --> 00:34:39.943
And when Jesus spoke of the straight gate, he said, strive to enter the straight gate.

742
00:34:39.963 --> 00:34:43.304
That word strive is the same word from which we derive a word agonize.

743
00:34:43.324 --> 00:34:43.904
Agonize, though.

744
00:34:43.964 --> 00:34:44.204
Yeah.

745
00:34:44.424 --> 00:34:45.884
I can't even say it because of my accent.

746
00:34:46.424 --> 00:34:48.145
But that's the way of entry.

747
00:34:48.585 --> 00:34:51.285
It's not, oh, Jesus is in my heart now.

748
00:34:51.325 --> 00:34:52.426
I've got everlasting life.

749
00:34:54.306 --> 00:34:58.748
See how many people are walking around where they say, oh yeah, I went to church a month ago.

750
00:34:59.348 --> 00:35:00.228
I prayed the prayer.

751
00:35:00.968 --> 00:35:02.269
And life's great.

752
00:35:02.569 --> 00:35:07.531
I've got everything I want right now and fire insurance later.

753
00:35:07.791 --> 00:35:08.431
Everything's fine.

754
00:35:08.471 --> 00:35:09.491
But there's no change.

755
00:35:09.511 --> 00:35:11.092
Yeah, absolutely.

756
00:35:11.432 --> 00:35:20.815
Man, I remember, so my life was just as lost as yours, but

757
00:35:21.998 --> 00:35:23.259
For me, everything was fine.

758
00:35:23.619 --> 00:35:24.959
I had no wake-up call.

759
00:35:25.539 --> 00:35:26.400
Everything was great.

760
00:35:27.100 --> 00:35:28.321
Plans are going fine.

761
00:35:29.781 --> 00:35:32.442
No reason to accept the gospel.

762
00:35:32.522 --> 00:35:34.003
Didn't even know it, to be honest with you.

763
00:35:34.643 --> 00:35:35.704
But life is great.

764
00:35:35.764 --> 00:35:36.384
This is super.

765
00:35:37.104 --> 00:35:42.987
And I, too, I was making money, all legally, young, 19 years old.

766
00:35:43.187 --> 00:35:44.407
Things were just going crazy.

767
00:35:44.867 --> 00:35:47.989
Love hard work, so that was paying off, all that stuff.

768
00:35:48.649 --> 00:35:51.310
And when I heard the gospel...

769
00:35:53.834 --> 00:35:58.716
In fact, the message that was preached, Greg Laurie gave me the message decades later.

770
00:35:59.396 --> 00:36:01.658
The message on that night, it was June 20th.

771
00:36:02.778 --> 00:36:04.919
It's a Monday night, June 20th, 1977.

772
00:36:05.920 --> 00:36:13.203
He preached a message from Revelation chapter 20 and the sermon was titled How to Inherit Hell.

773
00:36:14.644 --> 00:36:16.685
That was the first sermon I'd ever heard in my life.

774
00:36:17.385 --> 00:36:20.067
When he went down the list of those who wind up in hell,

775
00:36:21.623 --> 00:36:25.506
I wasn't guilty of everything, but I was guilty of enough.

776
00:36:26.527 --> 00:36:34.013
I remember Ray listening to him talk at that time, Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa, Chuck Smith.

777
00:36:35.714 --> 00:36:37.836
And I remember looking at the palms of my hands.

778
00:36:39.417 --> 00:36:40.858
I thought my hands were clean.

779
00:36:41.979 --> 00:36:44.962
My palms had sweated so much that...

780
00:36:46.042 --> 00:36:48.443
dust or dirt had filled in between the cracks.

781
00:36:48.943 --> 00:36:55.505
I remember looking and I knew that if I did not accept Christ, I could die tomorrow.

782
00:36:56.526 --> 00:36:57.906
I just knew this is the end of my life.

783
00:36:58.827 --> 00:37:13.332
I went forward and when I accepted Christ from that moment on, certainly for the first three years after that, my life became horrible.

784
00:37:15.016 --> 00:37:16.076
I was going to say the same thing.

785
00:37:16.096 --> 00:37:17.897
My life got worse when I became a Christian.

786
00:37:17.957 --> 00:37:18.837
I became a Christian.

787
00:37:18.857 --> 00:37:19.698
My life got worse.

788
00:37:19.718 --> 00:37:20.018
Yes.

789
00:37:21.178 --> 00:37:21.978
I lost the career.

790
00:37:21.998 --> 00:37:22.939
I lost the job.

791
00:37:23.339 --> 00:37:25.960
I had everything fell apart.

792
00:37:27.180 --> 00:37:30.101
And I had nothing but Jesus only.

793
00:37:31.162 --> 00:37:33.783
In fact, he took all my resources away to make money.

794
00:37:34.323 --> 00:37:34.763
And so...

795
00:37:36.110 --> 00:37:38.453
And his wisdom, I had nowhere to go but to church.

796
00:37:39.154 --> 00:37:44.081
And I went every night of the week and just immersed myself in the scriptures.

797
00:37:44.781 --> 00:37:47.245
But I got to tell you, it took me years, Ray.

798
00:37:47.946 --> 00:37:48.707
It took me years.

799
00:37:48.867 --> 00:37:53.273
I thought, I mean, I know I was saved.

800
00:37:54.177 --> 00:38:01.862
But I immediately went about to try, and a lot of this had to do, I think, with how I was brought up, to try now, okay, I'm saved.

801
00:38:01.902 --> 00:38:02.542
I'm a Christian.

802
00:38:03.082 --> 00:38:08.185
God, you're going to, I'll show you how great of a decision you made by bringing me into the family.

803
00:38:08.586 --> 00:38:10.287
I'm going to pray three hours a day.

804
00:38:10.807 --> 00:38:12.348
I'm going to fast once a week.

805
00:38:12.808 --> 00:38:14.389
I'm going to tell people about Jesus.

806
00:38:14.789 --> 00:38:15.990
I'm going to, wrong motives.

807
00:38:16.370 --> 00:38:18.872
But my point was, I went from salvation to salvation.

808
00:38:19.552 --> 00:38:24.718
to really a heavy, heavy trip because I immediately took it into the works realm.

809
00:38:25.519 --> 00:38:27.241
I went works instead of grace.

810
00:38:27.842 --> 00:38:35.611
And boy, I tell you, it took me three years to actually die to me trying to, what's the word, try...

811
00:38:37.430 --> 00:38:40.511
After salvation, I tried to reform myself.

812
00:38:41.611 --> 00:38:45.892
And God's patient, and he's got his way of wearing us out.

813
00:38:46.152 --> 00:38:47.572
Come now, let us reason together.

814
00:38:48.072 --> 00:38:48.272
Right?

815
00:38:48.332 --> 00:38:49.212
Isaiah 118.

816
00:38:49.952 --> 00:38:51.192
And I lost that fight.

817
00:38:51.333 --> 00:38:52.733
I happily lost that fight.

818
00:38:52.873 --> 00:39:05.355
And there was a day, it was a Saturday, I'll never forget it, where it's almost as though a lightning bolt came out and landed in the apartment.

819
00:39:06.168 --> 00:39:10.809
And it was the revelation of God's grace in my life.

820
00:39:13.389 --> 00:39:29.572
But that revelation of God's grace was so perfectly precious because I had gone through being so convicted at the moment of my salvation and then not understanding it rightly where Pastor Chuck Smith spoke about grace.

821
00:39:29.993 --> 00:39:31.813
But I said to myself, it can't be that easy.

822
00:39:32.618 --> 00:39:34.139
I went hard.

823
00:39:34.799 --> 00:39:37.060
Instead of saying, oh yeah, God loves me.

824
00:39:37.120 --> 00:39:37.560
I'm good.

825
00:39:37.921 --> 00:39:38.701
Everything's fine.

826
00:39:39.381 --> 00:39:40.922
It was, why would God love me?

827
00:39:41.242 --> 00:39:42.803
I'm a filthy, stinking wretch.

828
00:39:43.423 --> 00:39:45.604
And that was a really, really hard thing.

829
00:39:48.026 --> 00:39:49.526
My life was very fruitless.

830
00:39:49.686 --> 00:39:51.047
It wasn't because I was out sinning.

831
00:39:52.047 --> 00:39:56.950
It's because I was fruitless because I wasn't

832
00:39:58.254 --> 00:40:00.437
enjoying and being thankful.

833
00:40:00.477 --> 00:40:03.240
You mentioned the word grateful of the grace of God.

834
00:40:03.320 --> 00:40:11.931
Rightly, we should give God praise over his grace, but people don't, if they've never understood this trauma of being a lost sinner.

835
00:40:13.052 --> 00:40:14.214
And so, man,

836
00:40:16.031 --> 00:40:17.973
Let me share a little bit about, from the book.

837
00:40:18.133 --> 00:40:18.814
Yeah.

838
00:40:19.315 --> 00:40:22.478
It's a little bit more candy, if I may say that.

839
00:40:22.538 --> 00:40:26.963
When I preached open air in the city of Christchurch in New Zealand, it was a place called Speaker's Corner.

840
00:40:26.983 --> 00:40:29.386
When I arrived, there'd be like... Like in London, there's a Speaker's Corner.

841
00:40:29.406 --> 00:40:30.727
Yeah, it was named after Speaker's Corner.

842
00:40:30.747 --> 00:40:30.968
Yeah.

843
00:40:30.988 --> 00:40:31.528
Yeah.

844
00:40:32.409 --> 00:40:38.370
There was a wizard there that I crossed swords with every day for 12 years.

845
00:40:38.490 --> 00:40:39.991
We became friendly enemies.

846
00:40:40.351 --> 00:40:41.811
His name was Jack, believe it or not.

847
00:40:42.211 --> 00:40:43.252
He would dress as a wizard.

848
00:40:43.872 --> 00:40:45.012
I'd be on first lunch hour.

849
00:40:45.052 --> 00:40:46.372
He was on the second lunch hour.

850
00:40:46.412 --> 00:40:48.713
And sometimes he'd get a crowd of 300 people.

851
00:40:48.733 --> 00:40:50.633
He'd let me on his ladder to preach to his crowd.

852
00:40:50.653 --> 00:40:55.414
I took him home for dinner and we became good friends and swapped birthday presents and Christmas presents.

853
00:40:55.454 --> 00:41:00.836
And I thought if Jesus could call Judas friends as he betrayed him, I could befriend this wizard.

854
00:41:00.856 --> 00:41:02.176
So we became great friends.

855
00:41:03.356 --> 00:41:13.438
When I was preaching, this is probably late 1970s, to a crowd of about 60 people, suddenly a woman showed up next to me.

856
00:41:13.798 --> 00:41:14.598
She was attractive.

857
00:41:14.638 --> 00:41:15.739
She was in her early 30s.

858
00:41:15.779 --> 00:41:16.739
She was wearing black.

859
00:41:16.759 --> 00:41:19.820
She had black gloves on without the fingers in it before it was trendy.

860
00:41:19.840 --> 00:41:21.600
She had a six-foot wooden staff.

861
00:41:22.180 --> 00:41:23.940
She spoke in perfect King James English.

862
00:41:24.320 --> 00:41:26.481
She butted in while I was preaching and said to the crowd,

863
00:41:27.081 --> 00:41:29.462
The God of Israel is going to divorce you as a nation.

864
00:41:29.482 --> 00:41:31.203
You have sinned against the Lord.

865
00:41:31.523 --> 00:41:41.049
Then she got a whiskey bottle, smashed it on the ground, then took the rings off her finger and threw her at the crowd as a sign that God had divorced our nation.

866
00:41:41.489 --> 00:41:45.271
So I was like, she followed me for two years.

867
00:41:45.291 --> 00:41:48.213
It reminded me of the woman that followed Paul in the book of Acts.

868
00:41:48.893 --> 00:41:50.114
Sergius Paulus's voice.

869
00:41:50.154 --> 00:41:54.456
Yeah, and it was really annoying because she would say to the crowd, this man speaks the truth.

870
00:41:54.616 --> 00:41:56.618
And I'd, don't line me with you.

871
00:41:56.638 --> 00:41:57.478
We don't need you.

872
00:41:57.558 --> 00:42:01.741
Yeah, and so when she would cuss, I'd go, yes, because it showed the difference.

873
00:42:01.761 --> 00:42:01.921
Yeah.

874
00:42:02.301 --> 00:42:03.222
Anyway, I took her to lunch.

875
00:42:03.262 --> 00:42:04.963
I was very unwise in those days.

876
00:42:05.583 --> 00:42:06.384
I wouldn't do it now.

877
00:42:06.824 --> 00:42:08.205
And over lunch, she said to me,

878
00:42:09.026 --> 00:42:15.710
you know, when your spirit visits my spirit in the night, I said it does not, and it didn't.

879
00:42:16.371 --> 00:42:17.672
Yeah.

880
00:42:17.992 --> 00:42:21.654
But, oh, what an interesting thing to have that woman.

881
00:42:21.774 --> 00:42:29.520
I could tell how, if I may use the word anointing, how much anointing was on me by her reaction to,

882
00:42:30.427 --> 00:42:31.248
As she stood in the crowd.

883
00:42:31.268 --> 00:42:33.789
She would sometimes physically shake when I was preaching.

884
00:42:35.130 --> 00:42:35.490
Yes.

885
00:42:35.530 --> 00:42:36.631
That was very interesting.

886
00:42:36.671 --> 00:42:38.872
So that was, her name was Petra.

887
00:42:39.553 --> 00:42:40.073
Petra.

888
00:42:40.153 --> 00:42:40.373
Yeah.

889
00:42:40.533 --> 00:42:41.014
Interesting.

890
00:42:41.034 --> 00:42:43.355
Petra, yeah.

891
00:42:43.475 --> 00:42:46.477
I really liked her, believe it or not.

892
00:42:46.797 --> 00:42:50.560
Another thing that happened is when I preached, when I had my friends who were dying,

893
00:42:51.599 --> 00:42:55.320
printed my book, the gang started coming to listen to me preach.

894
00:42:55.340 --> 00:42:59.141
There was what was called the mongrel mob gang and the black power gang.

895
00:42:59.681 --> 00:43:00.682
They were really filthy.

896
00:43:00.722 --> 00:43:01.262
They smelled.

897
00:43:01.762 --> 00:43:03.823
But I thought, they're listening to me.

898
00:43:03.843 --> 00:43:06.703
And there's a guy named Baldy who was the head of the gang.

899
00:43:08.084 --> 00:43:11.105
I said, Baldy, would you like to get a lunch, you and your gang?

900
00:43:11.685 --> 00:43:11.965
He said, no.

901
00:43:12.742 --> 00:43:13.382
Us to lunch?

902
00:43:13.442 --> 00:43:14.202
I said, yeah, follow me.

903
00:43:14.683 --> 00:43:18.044
I ran ahead to try and get to the restaurant to ask for permission because they smelt.

904
00:43:18.384 --> 00:43:19.244
Yeah.

905
00:43:19.444 --> 00:43:22.105
And they got there before I could even ask the manager.

906
00:43:22.205 --> 00:43:23.005
And they just came in.

907
00:43:23.025 --> 00:43:24.005
And we became good friends.

908
00:43:24.045 --> 00:43:25.426
A couple of them home to lunch.

909
00:43:26.126 --> 00:43:31.167
So what happened is that I decided to make a movie, a 16-millimeter movie called My Friends Are Dying.

910
00:43:31.707 --> 00:43:36.249
And I said to my cameraman, I said, go into the square and get some casual shots of people

911
00:43:37.089 --> 00:43:39.251
that are standing around where I normally preach.

912
00:43:39.932 --> 00:43:42.975
That day the wizard contacted me and said, boy, did you miss it today?

913
00:43:43.495 --> 00:43:44.676
He had a deep raspy voice.

914
00:43:45.217 --> 00:43:54.586
He said the gangs started a gang fight with axes and knives and they were fighting and he says the TV cameraman got the whole thing on camera.

915
00:43:55.106 --> 00:43:56.387
I said, did he have dark hair?

916
00:43:56.407 --> 00:43:58.229
He says, yeah, that was him.

917
00:43:58.249 --> 00:43:59.771
I went and said, John, did you get that footage?

918
00:43:59.791 --> 00:44:00.731
He says, I got it.

919
00:44:01.372 --> 00:44:05.134
The police seized the footage and used its Supreme Court evidence.

920
00:44:05.755 --> 00:44:07.996
I said to the police, we missed you arriving.

921
00:44:08.076 --> 00:44:09.597
Could we film you doing it again?

922
00:44:10.077 --> 00:44:12.619
And they said, you scratched our back, we'll scratch yours.

923
00:44:12.659 --> 00:44:19.003
And they brought in squad cars into the square, which we filmed, jumping out after screeching in to nobody.

924
00:44:19.183 --> 00:44:20.564
And we put it in the film.

925
00:44:20.624 --> 00:44:21.064
Wow.

926
00:44:21.304 --> 00:44:24.747
The film, which I thought would get nobody to come to it because it was a Christian film,

927
00:44:25.707 --> 00:44:28.291
2,300 people showed up for the premiere.

928
00:44:28.551 --> 00:44:32.476
1,000 people had to get locked out, including the pastor who's in church we showed her.

929
00:44:32.996 --> 00:44:35.459
So that got at national publicity, which was wonderful.

930
00:44:36.500 --> 00:44:41.707
My friends, Baldy and the other gang, went to jail because of my film.

931
00:44:42.957 --> 00:44:43.837
Because they were seen?

932
00:44:43.897 --> 00:44:44.917
They were seen in the film.

933
00:44:45.598 --> 00:44:50.799
So I was asked to go and preach the gospel and show the film, the gangs wanted the film shown in the prison.

934
00:44:51.359 --> 00:44:57.340
So I showed up at the prison and there were so many prisoners wanted to see the film because they had the gang fight in it.

935
00:44:58.060 --> 00:44:59.121
They had to have three sessions.

936
00:44:59.781 --> 00:45:02.441
First session it was just packed, I don't know how many, 200 prisoners.

937
00:45:02.961 --> 00:45:06.162
And I thought this is scary, all these prisoners in here, how are they gonna stay?

938
00:45:06.202 --> 00:45:09.323
And the film finished and they were rustling to get and leave.

939
00:45:10.143 --> 00:45:13.125
And suddenly a big prison guard stood up and said, Mr.

940
00:45:13.165 --> 00:45:14.366
Comfort's going to speak to you.

941
00:45:14.406 --> 00:45:15.286
Stay where you are.

942
00:45:15.587 --> 00:45:16.487
And nobody moved.

943
00:45:16.507 --> 00:45:18.408
So I preached the gospel to them, which is wonderful.

944
00:45:19.189 --> 00:45:20.510
Second time, they're rustling.

945
00:45:20.550 --> 00:45:21.330
They're starting to leave.

946
00:45:21.370 --> 00:45:23.412
And the big guard gets up and says, stay where you are.

947
00:45:23.672 --> 00:45:23.932
Mr.

948
00:45:23.952 --> 00:45:25.013
Comfort's going to speak to you.

949
00:45:25.673 --> 00:45:26.814
Third session, I looked around.

950
00:45:26.834 --> 00:45:27.654
The guard's not there.

951
00:45:27.674 --> 00:45:28.395
Uh-oh.

952
00:45:28.795 --> 00:45:30.837
So I stood up and said, stay where you are.

953
00:45:30.877 --> 00:45:31.658
I'm going to preach to you.

954
00:45:31.678 --> 00:45:32.158
Are you serious?

955
00:45:32.218 --> 00:45:33.139
And nobody moved.

956
00:45:33.219 --> 00:45:37.563
And so Baldy was really angry at me.

957
00:45:37.783 --> 00:45:39.665
He said, not because you got the footage.

958
00:45:39.745 --> 00:45:43.448
It's because you didn't show our gang as having won that gang fight.

959
00:45:43.468 --> 00:45:44.649
That's all he was worried about.

960
00:45:44.729 --> 00:45:45.189
Oh, gosh.

961
00:45:45.570 --> 00:45:46.851
He'd gone to prison because of it.

962
00:45:47.451 --> 00:45:51.054
So I look back and think of all these wonderful things that have happened through the years.

963
00:45:51.775 --> 00:45:52.195
And I...

964
00:45:52.936 --> 00:45:53.777
And I'm in awe.

965
00:45:54.217 --> 00:45:55.457
Well, we're in awe of you.

966
00:45:55.758 --> 00:46:01.241
And I mean that sincerely because you, would you, correct me if I'm wrong, please, because I may be wrong about this.

967
00:46:01.741 --> 00:46:08.605
Because for those of us in America, I mean, your ability to witness you.

968
00:46:10.103 --> 00:46:15.927
so much on film, so many people, TBN, other channels have carried you doing what you do so effectively.

969
00:46:16.027 --> 00:46:17.227
Nobody else does it like you.

970
00:46:17.928 --> 00:46:26.733
But over the years, as you have been more and more established in the American church, you have put out videos.

971
00:46:26.913 --> 00:46:28.494
They're world class for the audience.

972
00:46:28.554 --> 00:46:29.314
It's not seeing them.

973
00:46:29.955 --> 00:46:31.556
We're going to encourage people to see them.

974
00:46:32.276 --> 00:46:36.499
But there is one that just, for me,

975
00:46:37.794 --> 00:46:38.815
was such a great effect.

976
00:46:38.915 --> 00:46:41.537
And I'm curious, is that true for you?

977
00:46:41.637 --> 00:46:45.200
Or what is your famous, most famous or most effective film?

978
00:46:45.620 --> 00:46:46.821
I'm thinking about 180.

979
00:46:47.562 --> 00:46:59.432
180, still to this day, in my opinion, is just unmatched in you going out and doing what you do, though you do this a thousand times.

980
00:47:00.492 --> 00:47:05.757
And I think what made it so unique is the people that you interviewed that particular day or for that filming.

981
00:47:06.650 --> 00:47:12.273
Tell me about 180, because I want everyone on our program to watch, download, whatever, 180.

982
00:47:12.754 --> 00:47:15.155
It was a mistake, 180, believe it or not.

983
00:47:15.856 --> 00:47:20.518
I went to the local college making a film called Hitler's Religion.

984
00:47:21.359 --> 00:47:22.139
That's what I'd studied.

985
00:47:22.159 --> 00:47:22.500
The book?

986
00:47:22.720 --> 00:47:22.920
Yeah.

987
00:47:23.180 --> 00:47:23.620
Yeah, I did.

988
00:47:23.640 --> 00:47:24.721
That's a great book.

989
00:47:24.781 --> 00:47:25.301
Oh, thank you.

990
00:47:25.441 --> 00:47:27.121
It's Hitler, God and the Bible.

991
00:47:27.421 --> 00:47:28.382
Yes, great book.

992
00:47:28.442 --> 00:47:29.902
Yeah, thank you.

993
00:47:30.402 --> 00:47:31.463
So I thought, we'll make a movie.

994
00:47:31.483 --> 00:47:32.443
The publishers will love it.

995
00:47:32.463 --> 00:47:34.664
We'll call it Hitler's Religion because Hitler was religious.

996
00:47:34.684 --> 00:47:35.584
He was a baby kisser.

997
00:47:36.024 --> 00:47:37.184
That's how you get votes.

998
00:47:37.344 --> 00:47:40.625
You believe in God and kiss babies, and he was a baby kisser.

999
00:47:41.406 --> 00:47:44.467
And so I went around and I started asking students, have you heard of Adolf Hitler?

1000
00:47:44.487 --> 00:47:44.967
And they said no.

1001
00:47:45.547 --> 00:47:46.288
I said, what are you kidding?

1002
00:47:46.648 --> 00:47:47.830
Have you heard of Adolf Hitler?

1003
00:47:47.850 --> 00:47:49.992
Do you know who Hitler is?

1004
00:47:50.013 --> 00:47:50.153
No.

1005
00:47:50.233 --> 00:47:51.054
Is he an actor?

1006
00:47:51.614 --> 00:47:52.115
Stuff like that.

1007
00:47:52.135 --> 00:47:53.517
And I thought, this is just crazy.

1008
00:47:53.557 --> 00:47:54.037
This is impossible.

1009
00:47:54.138 --> 00:47:59.805
And so I was in awe at the ignorance, and I found one guy who had dreadlocks.

1010
00:48:00.566 --> 00:48:03.047
I laid down and he knew who Hitler was.

1011
00:48:03.067 --> 00:48:05.428
He said he was an evil, evil man.

1012
00:48:05.468 --> 00:48:07.589
And so I talked to him and I thought, great, I've got a student.

1013
00:48:07.609 --> 00:48:08.509
Oh, this guy, huh?

1014
00:48:08.850 --> 00:48:09.170
Yeah.

1015
00:48:09.230 --> 00:48:11.991
So then for some reason I said to him, what do you think of abortion?

1016
00:48:12.611 --> 00:48:14.232
He said it's a woman's right to choose.

1017
00:48:14.752 --> 00:48:17.073
So I said to him, you're no better than a Nazi.

1018
00:48:18.014 --> 00:48:20.975
And boy, did we cross swords for about...

1019
00:48:22.129 --> 00:48:27.636
Four minutes, him and I just crossed swords because I said, you're killing babies just like Hitler killed Jews.

1020
00:48:27.936 --> 00:48:30.980
You don't call them human just like Hitler didn't call Jews human.

1021
00:48:31.000 --> 00:48:32.041
That's how you're doing it.

1022
00:48:32.582 --> 00:48:35.886
And finally, I just said to him, out of the blue, is it a baby in the womb?

1023
00:48:35.926 --> 00:48:36.988
He said, yes.

1024
00:48:37.408 --> 00:48:39.170
I said, it's okay to kill a baby in the womb.

1025
00:48:39.771 --> 00:48:40.031
When?

1026
00:48:40.852 --> 00:48:41.193
And he went.

1027
00:48:43.235 --> 00:48:43.696
You got caught.

1028
00:48:43.716 --> 00:48:45.861
And he just walked off angry.

1029
00:48:45.961 --> 00:48:48.646
And I filmed him walking off because I was filming this whole thing.

1030
00:48:48.706 --> 00:48:53.937
And I actually zoomed up, turned off the camera and heard boom as the camera came on.

1031
00:48:55.056 --> 00:48:56.917
No, that's what I said.

1032
00:48:57.297 --> 00:49:03.499
It was in full sunlight, and I couldn't see the screen, and I turned the camera off as I started, and I just felt a fool.

1033
00:49:03.539 --> 00:49:04.560
I didn't tell a soul.

1034
00:49:05.260 --> 00:49:10.022
And so I came back to a ministry, and I thought, man, that guy couldn't answer the question.

1035
00:49:10.042 --> 00:49:13.783
So I began going back and asking the students, is there a baby in the womb?

1036
00:49:13.803 --> 00:49:15.444
They said, yeah, it's a woman's right to choose.

1037
00:49:15.724 --> 00:49:16.905
So I could get a baby in the womb.

1038
00:49:16.965 --> 00:49:17.185
When?

1039
00:49:17.745 --> 00:49:19.408
And what happened was the conscience.

1040
00:49:19.508 --> 00:49:20.169
So crystal clear.

1041
00:49:20.209 --> 00:49:21.671
The conscience kicked in.

1042
00:49:21.691 --> 00:49:23.313
It was the conscience doing its duty.

1043
00:49:23.333 --> 00:49:25.436
They knew it was wrong to murder a human being.

1044
00:49:25.837 --> 00:49:27.419
They knew it in their hearts, in their conscience.

1045
00:49:27.760 --> 00:49:29.242
And so these people changed their mind.

1046
00:49:29.843 --> 00:49:32.246
So I came back to Eze, the president of our ministry.

1047
00:49:32.667 --> 00:49:33.468
showed him the footage.

1048
00:49:33.548 --> 00:49:35.330
He said, this is not Hitler's religion.

1049
00:49:35.730 --> 00:49:36.951
This is a pro-life movie.

1050
00:49:36.971 --> 00:49:40.675
He said, go out and find some women who changed their minds.

1051
00:49:40.695 --> 00:49:50.805
And that's when I went out again, and we found this woman, a lovely lady who absolutely changed her mind instantly when she understood that it was a baby in the womb, and that God had given her a conscience, and she knew it was wrong.

1052
00:49:51.426 --> 00:49:54.128
And so we published it, and it just took off.

1053
00:49:54.148 --> 00:49:55.109
But the wonderful thing is

1054
00:49:56.010 --> 00:49:59.791
My daughter, Rachel's Wayne, Izzy's wife, and Izzy came over.

1055
00:49:59.831 --> 00:50:01.612
They spent the night at their house for some reason.

1056
00:50:02.412 --> 00:50:06.053
That night, we were trying to think of what's a name for this movie.

1057
00:50:06.173 --> 00:50:06.773
What's a name?

1058
00:50:06.793 --> 00:50:07.754
We can't think of a name.

1059
00:50:07.774 --> 00:50:10.394
We don't want to ruin it by calling it something it's not.

1060
00:50:10.755 --> 00:50:14.376
In the morning, I got up and said, I've got a title, 180.

1061
00:50:14.836 --> 00:50:18.177
My daughter looked at me and she said, that's the title I got during the night.

1062
00:50:18.957 --> 00:50:19.397
I love it.

1063
00:50:19.618 --> 00:50:20.518
It was just amazing.

1064
00:50:20.578 --> 00:50:24.201
So it said, I think, five or six million views on YouTube.

1065
00:50:24.241 --> 00:50:33.369
We gave away a million DVDs in colleges throughout the U.S. And God still does it.

1066
00:50:33.449 --> 00:50:45.238
Everyone, for those who have never seen it, they've so must make that a priority and see it and then share it with others because just the genius of the Holy Spirit on you.

1067
00:50:45.258 --> 00:50:47.020
And here's the beautiful thing.

1068
00:50:48.911 --> 00:50:52.274
You're going out to proclaim the gospel.

1069
00:50:53.876 --> 00:50:58.360
And the Holy Spirit is doing what he promised to do, that he would convict the world of sin.

1070
00:50:59.521 --> 00:51:06.148
You give the truth, because I don't believe we have the ability to bring someone under conviction.

1071
00:51:06.948 --> 00:51:08.670
That's the spirit of God's job.

1072
00:51:08.690 --> 00:51:12.133
But he uses us as we proclaim the message.

1073
00:51:12.494 --> 00:51:13.535
It's just remarkable truth.

1074
00:51:14.477 --> 00:51:16.038
thing that he allows us to be involved in.

1075
00:51:16.839 --> 00:51:19.842
When that conviction comes, I've never seen it.

1076
00:51:19.862 --> 00:51:21.483
I don't know if anyone has ever done this.

1077
00:51:23.065 --> 00:51:34.815
Where you have your camera rolling and you can see the Holy Spirit working on someone's heart in real time where their mind changes.

1078
00:51:35.636 --> 00:51:39.800
They either come around to the truth and

1079
00:51:40.487 --> 00:51:43.469
Or they begin to see the fallacy of themselves and where they're at.

1080
00:51:44.230 --> 00:51:46.232
But you've got such an amazing winsome way.

1081
00:51:46.472 --> 00:51:47.513
I've never seen anything like it.

1082
00:51:49.774 --> 00:51:51.296
And yet, I love how you opened up.

1083
00:51:52.476 --> 00:51:55.719
What you're doing is actually normal Christianity.

1084
00:51:57.500 --> 00:51:58.001
It's normal.

1085
00:51:58.081 --> 00:52:03.365
Where the church is at today, collectively in America, if not the world, we're so subterranean.

1086
00:52:03.385 --> 00:52:04.246
Yeah.

1087
00:52:05.473 --> 00:52:06.574
We've got to get here.

1088
00:52:06.994 --> 00:52:10.257
We've got to just be ground level to be normal.

1089
00:52:10.457 --> 00:52:15.521
If somebody, for example, the COVID thing, our church was open.

1090
00:52:16.481 --> 00:52:18.803
To me, that's normal.

1091
00:52:19.704 --> 00:52:21.245
That's not something special.

1092
00:52:21.705 --> 00:52:25.548
But it was so, what's the word?

1093
00:52:25.688 --> 00:52:28.190
Rare that people viewed it as special.

1094
00:52:28.570 --> 00:52:31.092
And that's sad because it shouldn't be special.

1095
00:52:31.953 --> 00:52:34.595
So what can I ask you?

1096
00:52:35.767 --> 00:52:37.349
I mean, all of the book, it's you.

1097
00:52:38.229 --> 00:52:41.953
What do you want the reader to come away with, with your book?

1098
00:52:42.373 --> 00:52:44.815
I want them to be encouraged and compelled.

1099
00:52:46.277 --> 00:52:51.101
The whole, it reads like a novel, just how God is...

1100
00:52:52.125 --> 00:52:57.931
opening doors, special doors, and using, as I said, somebody to proclaim a special truth.

1101
00:52:57.951 --> 00:53:07.801
It's got over 100 photos in there of rare photos of my brothers and my sisters, my mum and dad, and different things that are very interesting.

1102
00:53:08.302 --> 00:53:13.507
But the uniqueness about this whole book is the whole thing is written in a New Zealand accent.

1103
00:53:17.201 --> 00:53:19.443
Actually, are you going to do an audio book version of this?

1104
00:53:19.503 --> 00:53:20.623
Yes, I'm doing it at the moment.

1105
00:53:20.924 --> 00:53:21.744
And it's a miracle.

1106
00:53:22.024 --> 00:53:22.885
Are you going to do it?

1107
00:53:22.925 --> 00:53:24.186
Yes, I'm halfway through it.

1108
00:53:24.346 --> 00:53:25.206
I'm halfway through it.

1109
00:53:25.747 --> 00:53:32.251
And my technician is so patient because I've got the gift of reading words that aren't there in a sentence.

1110
00:53:32.792 --> 00:53:33.432
I have that gift.

1111
00:53:33.692 --> 00:53:34.613
Yeah.

1112
00:53:34.633 --> 00:53:35.313
That word's not there.

1113
00:53:35.333 --> 00:53:35.774
Can't they see it?

1114
00:53:35.914 --> 00:53:36.314
I see it.

1115
00:53:36.594 --> 00:53:37.735
Yeah, that's exactly it.

1116
00:53:38.055 --> 00:53:41.557
I read the scriptures to sir every night before we went to sleep for years.

1117
00:53:41.597 --> 00:53:42.358
And that really helped.

1118
00:53:42.378 --> 00:53:45.240
But when I first began, I could hardly read a sentence out loud.

1119
00:53:45.940 --> 00:53:49.683
And so I'm seeing a little miracle happen when I read my book on audio.

1120
00:53:50.564 --> 00:53:53.786
Oh, by the way, I started crying as I was reading it.

1121
00:53:54.987 --> 00:54:01.131
Just so moved by my own testimony, which is weird to have an audio book where the guy reading the book starts weeping.

1122
00:54:01.191 --> 00:54:02.712
But I did because I am...

1123
00:54:02.852 --> 00:54:03.993
But wait, why is it weird?

1124
00:54:04.053 --> 00:54:04.573
Think about it.

1125
00:54:05.434 --> 00:54:06.154
Nobody does that.

1126
00:54:06.194 --> 00:54:06.574
I get it.

1127
00:54:07.575 --> 00:54:08.556
But what's the reason?

1128
00:54:08.596 --> 00:54:09.456
The reason's not weird.

1129
00:54:10.097 --> 00:54:13.019
You were overwhelmed by the grace of God moving in your life.

1130
00:54:13.179 --> 00:54:13.339
Yeah.

1131
00:54:15.123 --> 00:54:17.144
He took us from the pit.

1132
00:54:18.945 --> 00:54:22.066
And this is such a great thing.

1133
00:54:23.307 --> 00:54:26.309
Testimonies, it's proof that testimonies are powerful.

1134
00:54:26.409 --> 00:54:28.830
Well, Paul used his testimony three times in the book of Acts.

1135
00:54:29.190 --> 00:54:29.410
Yeah.

1136
00:54:29.610 --> 00:54:29.890
You know?

1137
00:54:30.270 --> 00:54:30.430
Yep.

1138
00:54:30.791 --> 00:54:32.652
So no one can argue with a testimony.

1139
00:54:32.672 --> 00:54:36.814
A man with an experience, someone once said, is not at the mercy of a man with an argument.

1140
00:54:37.214 --> 00:54:37.594
Hmm.

1141
00:54:40.222 --> 00:54:43.463
What did you say you're 77 years young?

1142
00:54:44.063 --> 00:54:46.383
Coming up to 77, 5th of December.

1143
00:54:46.844 --> 00:54:47.984
Now people will send me gifts.

1144
00:54:49.124 --> 00:54:49.924
They'll send you gifts.

1145
00:54:51.845 --> 00:54:52.545
What's next?

1146
00:54:52.685 --> 00:54:55.826
Where's the ministry going?

1147
00:54:55.986 --> 00:54:57.666
Do you have a team now?

1148
00:54:57.706 --> 00:54:58.466
Have you raised up?

1149
00:54:58.706 --> 00:55:01.747
Yes, we've got our own studio.

1150
00:55:03.207 --> 00:55:04.287
Glad you mentioned that.

1151
00:55:05.248 --> 00:55:05.708
Yes.

1152
00:55:06.208 --> 00:55:06.728
Oh, my gosh.

1153
00:55:07.965 --> 00:55:08.925
Update me on this.

1154
00:55:09.006 --> 00:55:09.966
Tell the people about this.

1155
00:55:09.986 --> 00:55:15.869
Yeah, when I first spoke at your church and gave out about 500 of these gold coins that are going to be given out.

1156
00:55:16.229 --> 00:55:18.010
It's just amazing.

1157
00:55:19.190 --> 00:55:20.871
We went to a different company.

1158
00:55:21.391 --> 00:55:23.953
And if you look at that, can you see the quality of it now?

1159
00:55:24.053 --> 00:55:24.633
It's remarkable.

1160
00:55:26.035 --> 00:55:30.777
And then the gospel on the back couldn't really be read unless you turned it.

1161
00:55:30.797 --> 00:55:31.557
Have a look at it now.

1162
00:55:32.117 --> 00:55:34.498
The new company has just been amazing and they're cheaper.

1163
00:55:35.238 --> 00:55:37.999
And now you can actually see the gospel message.

1164
00:55:38.040 --> 00:55:40.620
And we're going to give away a million of those during the Olympics.

1165
00:55:41.001 --> 00:55:42.101
Coming to Los Angeles.

1166
00:55:42.161 --> 00:55:43.161
Coming to Los Angeles.

1167
00:55:43.462 --> 00:55:47.743
And already half a million dollars has come in from people who want to see this a reality.

1168
00:55:47.763 --> 00:55:50.204
We're going to make them free of charge and free shipping.

1169
00:55:51.845 --> 00:55:52.365
Listen to this.

1170
00:55:55.087 --> 00:55:56.328
It's got perceived value.

1171
00:55:56.348 --> 00:55:57.249
It's got weight to it.

1172
00:55:57.810 --> 00:56:03.294
Who isn't going to grab this with both hands and who isn't going to be congenial to the person who just gave to them?

1173
00:56:03.394 --> 00:56:04.655
Say, why are you giving this to me?

1174
00:56:05.056 --> 00:56:06.117
Why are you giving it to me?

1175
00:56:06.137 --> 00:56:07.558
Well, it's got the gospel on the back.

1176
00:56:07.958 --> 00:56:08.719
Make sure you read it.

1177
00:56:10.656 --> 00:56:11.496
Am I seeing this right?

1178
00:56:11.576 --> 00:56:13.417
It's got the Statue of Liberty.

1179
00:56:13.697 --> 00:56:13.877
Mm-hmm.

1180
00:56:14.678 --> 00:56:15.858
And I need my glasses.

1181
00:56:15.898 --> 00:56:16.598
Hollywood sign.

1182
00:56:17.319 --> 00:56:18.239
Oh, the Hollywood sign.

1183
00:56:18.359 --> 00:56:22.000
And then it's got what looks like the, is that the Liberty Tower, Freedom Tower?

1184
00:56:22.881 --> 00:56:23.541
Yes, I think it is.

1185
00:56:23.581 --> 00:56:24.201
I think it is.

1186
00:56:24.261 --> 00:56:25.942
And it's got a runner on there.

1187
00:56:25.982 --> 00:56:26.522
And a runner?

1188
00:56:26.682 --> 00:56:28.803
So it immediately has a link with the Olympics.

1189
00:56:29.523 --> 00:56:33.325
And there's supposed to be 10 to 12 million people coming to the U.S.,

1190
00:56:34.495 --> 00:56:35.136
for the Olympics.

1191
00:56:35.196 --> 00:56:40.600
So it's livingwaters.com forward slash gold is where people can get details of this.

1192
00:56:40.981 --> 00:56:44.384
Details, but not only details, but if they want to support, if they want to help.

1193
00:56:44.624 --> 00:56:44.824
Yes.

1194
00:56:45.204 --> 00:56:46.946
So wait, give that address again.

1195
00:56:47.166 --> 00:56:50.309
livingwaters.com forward slash gold.

1196
00:56:51.670 --> 00:56:54.492
And let's just be honest.

1197
00:56:56.174 --> 00:57:00.437
Can you guys just use whatever is sent or do you have a specific amount that you're still lacking?

1198
00:57:01.358 --> 00:57:02.159
We will get...

1199
00:57:03.340 --> 00:57:05.841
The amount of coins will depend on how much money comes in.

1200
00:57:05.881 --> 00:57:07.561
Half a million dollars is coming at the moment.

1201
00:57:07.641 --> 00:57:12.842
We'd like to get 2 million coins to give out, even 3 million.

1202
00:57:12.962 --> 00:57:14.623
If God supplies our needs, we'll go ahead.

1203
00:57:14.643 --> 00:57:17.283
But we have to order them months beforehand.

1204
00:57:17.624 --> 00:57:19.424
So we need the money to come in now.

1205
00:57:19.504 --> 00:57:20.744
I'm sorry for saying this.

1206
00:57:21.184 --> 00:57:21.945
Is it 28?

1207
00:57:22.145 --> 00:57:22.565
It's 28.

1208
00:57:22.885 --> 00:57:25.385
So in a few months, we're about to say it's next year.

1209
00:57:25.946 --> 00:57:26.906
Exactly.

1210
00:57:27.146 --> 00:57:29.086
It's less than a year and a half out.

1211
00:57:29.967 --> 00:57:31.747
So I would encourage people...

1212
00:57:33.317 --> 00:57:35.538
In fact, think about this.

1213
00:57:36.979 --> 00:57:38.981
I'm a firm believer that God wastes nothing.

1214
00:57:39.141 --> 00:57:40.502
I love his economics.

1215
00:57:40.922 --> 00:57:47.246
That said, your Ray Comfort, you can only be one place at one time.

1216
00:57:48.267 --> 00:57:52.830
Your vision and idea for this witnessing, what do you call on this coin?

1217
00:57:52.970 --> 00:57:53.470
Is that a name?

1218
00:57:53.670 --> 00:57:54.551
It's a gold coin.

1219
00:57:54.931 --> 00:57:55.652
It's a gold coin.

1220
00:57:57.673 --> 00:58:00.275
This witnessing tool, this is your most controversial,

1221
00:58:01.933 --> 00:58:03.013
Brilliant track.

1222
00:58:03.553 --> 00:58:03.994
Think of this.

1223
00:58:04.014 --> 00:58:05.094
Well, who's going to rip that up?

1224
00:58:06.314 --> 00:58:06.894
Exactly.

1225
00:58:06.914 --> 00:58:09.395
In 100 years' time, it'll still be speaking to people.

1226
00:58:09.995 --> 00:58:13.296
So what I would encourage people to do, you guys know that we don't ask for money.

1227
00:58:14.477 --> 00:58:18.478
I'm asking you to send your money to this location.

1228
00:58:18.498 --> 00:58:19.498
They can give it that spot.

1229
00:58:19.578 --> 00:58:19.778
Yes.

1230
00:58:20.698 --> 00:58:24.540
And maybe earmark it, email, tag it, however.

1231
00:58:25.520 --> 00:58:26.400
The Olympic coin.

1232
00:58:26.780 --> 00:58:27.160
I don't know.

1233
00:58:27.280 --> 00:58:28.601
I'm making this up right now.

1234
00:58:28.621 --> 00:58:29.501
Whatever you want to call it.

1235
00:58:30.627 --> 00:58:35.972
And you may not be able to be in L.A. for the Olympics, but the world is coming to Los Angeles.

1236
00:58:36.933 --> 00:58:46.982
This is your opportunity to actually be a sender, right, of a missionary venture.

1237
00:58:48.163 --> 00:58:54.208
And in some way through Ray and his team be a goer simply by getting enough of these things.

1238
00:58:55.018 --> 00:58:57.902
handed out in Los Angeles as the world comes to L.A.?

1239
00:58:58.162 --> 00:59:00.004
We're going to mail them out beforehand.

1240
00:59:00.045 --> 00:59:01.887
They're free of charge, shipping free.

1241
00:59:03.108 --> 00:59:06.753
At the moment, we're aiming at a million, but we really would like to go to two or three million.

1242
00:59:07.174 --> 00:59:11.379
We want to encourage churches in Australia, in Russia, in China...

1243
00:59:12.500 --> 00:59:14.282
send a team missionaries to LA.

1244
00:59:14.322 --> 00:59:16.183
This is a prestigious city.

1245
00:59:16.343 --> 00:59:20.266
During the Olympics, we're going to give you gold coins to give out, people.

1246
00:59:20.306 --> 00:59:23.648
So it's 18 months, nearly two years away.

1247
00:59:23.668 --> 00:59:24.609
So you've got time to plan.

1248
00:59:24.629 --> 00:59:29.973
It's brilliant because a lot of people, you're right, this is so good because people come from around the world anyway.

1249
00:59:30.693 --> 00:59:34.936
And there's going to be a lot of Christians in that migration to come to these games.

1250
00:59:35.657 --> 00:59:37.238
Why not come equipped?

1251
00:59:37.418 --> 00:59:38.679
Yes, bring a team.

1252
00:59:39.459 --> 00:59:39.780
Bring a team.

1253
00:59:39.800 --> 00:59:40.120
Bring a team.

1254
00:59:41.890 --> 00:59:42.750
Man, this is so great.

1255
00:59:43.210 --> 00:59:47.972
Ray, this has probably been the most serious conversation we've ever had.

1256
00:59:48.732 --> 00:59:50.032
And good for that.

1257
00:59:50.212 --> 00:59:51.873
Because compelled.

1258
00:59:52.973 --> 00:59:54.574
It was Jeremiah who was compelled.

1259
00:59:54.734 --> 00:59:55.714
He couldn't keep quiet.

1260
00:59:56.434 --> 00:59:57.975
Paul the Apostle was compelled.

1261
00:59:58.895 --> 00:59:59.975
Moses was compelled.

1262
01:00:01.016 --> 01:00:05.177
I delight in the fact that when God gets a hold of us and goes to work...

1263
01:00:06.363 --> 01:00:09.165
He does that work whereby we must proclaim.

1264
01:00:09.226 --> 01:00:10.146
We cannot be quiet.

1265
01:00:10.166 --> 01:00:12.288
We cannot sit and hide it.

1266
01:00:13.709 --> 01:00:15.171
And you have been such an example.

1267
01:00:16.051 --> 01:00:20.936
And your witness must be emulated.

1268
01:00:22.377 --> 01:00:23.618
And I'll end with this.

1269
01:00:27.281 --> 01:00:33.727
When you said that you got saved and you had to tell people and that you had a burden for the lost, this is heavy.

1270
01:00:36.023 --> 01:00:39.285
When you said that, to me, that's normal.

1271
01:00:39.565 --> 01:00:43.267
Can someone be saved, Ray, and not have those passions?

1272
01:00:45.069 --> 01:00:51.392
I would say to someone who has no concern for the loss, they need to examine themselves and see if they're in the faith.

1273
01:00:51.573 --> 01:00:54.134
Charles Spurgeon said, have you no wish for others to be saved?

1274
01:00:54.214 --> 01:00:55.615
Then you're not saved yourself.

1275
01:00:55.655 --> 01:00:56.335
Be sure of that.

1276
01:00:56.976 --> 01:00:57.216
Why?

1277
01:00:57.436 --> 01:01:01.258
Because any human being could not stand there while a child drowns.

1278
01:01:01.659 --> 01:01:01.999
No way.

1279
01:01:02.299 --> 01:01:07.260
No firefighter could sit there in his cabin, in his truck, while people burned to death.

1280
01:01:07.920 --> 01:01:08.640
Love doesn't do that.

1281
01:01:08.660 --> 01:01:09.420
It's compelled.

1282
01:01:09.460 --> 01:01:10.220
It reaches out.

1283
01:01:10.881 --> 01:01:14.881
And so if there's nothing in you that reaches out, how do you know the love of God dwells within you?

1284
01:01:15.281 --> 01:01:21.463
Better you hear this now than on Judgment Day, when many will cry out to Jesus, Lord, Lord, we did many wonderful things in your name.

1285
01:01:21.483 --> 01:01:25.223
He said, apart from me, you work of iniquity, lawlessness.

1286
01:01:25.323 --> 01:01:26.383
I never knew you.

1287
01:01:26.403 --> 01:01:27.144
I never knew you.

1288
01:01:27.304 --> 01:01:29.224
So the love of Christ compels us.

1289
01:01:30.974 --> 01:01:31.699
Ray, I love you, man.

1290
01:01:31.981 --> 01:01:32.504
Thank you, brother.

1291
01:01:32.705 --> 01:01:33.570
I so appreciate you.

1292
01:01:33.691 --> 01:01:34.194
God bless you.

1293
01:01:34.335 --> 01:01:34.637
Thank you.