WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.311 --> 00:00:01.472 Welcome to Living Influence. 2 00:00:02.092 --> 00:00:05.213 I'm your host, Scott Boyd, with my sidekick, Bill Thrall. 3 00:00:05.633 --> 00:00:07.114 He's also my golf partner. 4 00:00:07.234 --> 00:00:07.554 Yes. 5 00:00:08.694 --> 00:00:11.415 Don't bring up golf today, please. 6 00:00:11.615 --> 00:00:12.296 I have to. 7 00:00:12.396 --> 00:00:13.216 No, no, I mean... 8 00:00:13.556 --> 00:00:17.178 I know because you won, but it was the second half yesterday was hard. 9 00:00:17.298 --> 00:00:18.838 Well, we can talk about Denver. 10 00:00:18.878 --> 00:00:20.579 You won an award in Denver. 11 00:00:23.457 --> 00:00:24.477 I should have brought the award. 12 00:00:24.717 --> 00:00:25.317 You should have. 13 00:00:25.938 --> 00:00:28.118 Let me just tell you something about my friend, Scott. 14 00:00:28.218 --> 00:00:29.778 He loved giving me the award. 15 00:00:29.818 --> 00:00:32.659 He was actually the host at this event. 16 00:00:33.519 --> 00:00:35.519 And we had, after dinner, this award. 17 00:00:36.060 --> 00:00:38.180 And by the way, there was only one award given. 18 00:00:38.320 --> 00:00:39.920 I thought that was interesting afterwards. 19 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:42.501 And it was the award for the losing team. 20 00:00:43.281 --> 00:00:46.362 And I was the first person on the losing team that got the award. 21 00:00:46.902 --> 00:00:48.682 So I have this gold medal now. 22 00:00:49.022 --> 00:00:49.302 Yes. 23 00:00:49.642 --> 00:00:51.303 And it says... Loser. 24 00:00:51.323 --> 00:00:51.723 Loser. 25 00:00:54.103 --> 00:00:55.084 That was fun. 26 00:00:55.104 --> 00:00:55.505 Well done. 27 00:00:55.825 --> 00:00:56.325 That was fun. 28 00:00:56.745 --> 00:00:57.626 Well done. 29 00:00:57.686 --> 00:00:59.167 But the crazy thing is, 30 00:01:01.246 --> 00:01:08.390 My friend Bill, he has a bad day at the golf course, and he's only like four strokes away from shooting his age. 31 00:01:08.551 --> 00:01:08.871 Yes. 32 00:01:09.691 --> 00:01:11.272 Five strokes away from shooting his age. 33 00:01:11.292 --> 00:01:12.333 That's pretty amazing. 34 00:01:12.473 --> 00:01:12.633 Yeah. 35 00:01:12.753 --> 00:01:13.334 Thank you. 36 00:01:13.414 --> 00:01:13.794 Thank you. 37 00:01:13.874 --> 00:01:14.454 It was a lot of fun. 38 00:01:14.634 --> 00:01:14.754 Yeah. 39 00:01:14.774 --> 00:01:15.355 We had a good time. 40 00:01:15.375 --> 00:01:15.595 Yeah. 41 00:01:15.895 --> 00:01:20.658 I sometimes am sad at the fact that my friend is 87. 42 00:01:21.579 --> 00:01:26.001 I'd really like him to be younger, so I get to have you hanging around longer. 43 00:01:26.201 --> 00:01:26.462 Yeah. 44 00:01:27.568 --> 00:01:28.788 But anyway, we won't go there. 45 00:01:29.869 --> 00:01:30.949 We'll enjoy what we have. 46 00:01:31.109 --> 00:01:32.530 Absolutely. 47 00:01:32.570 --> 00:01:33.110 At the moment. 48 00:01:33.150 --> 00:01:41.193 But my golf game has been getting, it's gotten so much better that Bill is actually thinking he's going to take lessons. 49 00:01:41.613 --> 00:01:43.074 To stay with you, I have to. 50 00:01:43.654 --> 00:01:45.495 I mean, otherwise I lose every time. 51 00:01:45.555 --> 00:01:47.196 I want to at least win once in a while. 52 00:01:47.216 --> 00:01:47.876 Yeah. 53 00:01:48.823 --> 00:01:51.424 So we've been talking about the voices in our head. 54 00:01:51.784 --> 00:01:52.404 Yeah. 55 00:01:53.044 --> 00:01:57.785 And I think this, I like this topic. 56 00:01:58.565 --> 00:02:05.067 And if you guys like it as well, I'd love to know if you could comment on our videos to let us know. 57 00:02:05.107 --> 00:02:08.768 But I think we all experience these voices. 58 00:02:10.827 --> 00:02:13.510 A voice of shame in our head. 59 00:02:15.252 --> 00:02:18.696 And then I think we have the voice of an inner being. 60 00:02:18.996 --> 00:02:19.917 Amen. 61 00:02:20.318 --> 00:02:21.880 Of our born-again spirit. 62 00:02:22.080 --> 00:02:22.440 Amen. 63 00:02:22.581 --> 00:02:26.265 Which could also be maybe the voice of the Holy Spirit. 64 00:02:26.505 --> 00:02:26.745 Amen. 65 00:02:29.623 --> 00:02:30.264 And I agree with you. 66 00:02:30.304 --> 00:02:31.244 We talked about it last week. 67 00:02:31.264 --> 00:02:32.746 That's kind of unique to the Christian. 68 00:02:33.166 --> 00:02:33.586 Yes. 69 00:02:33.626 --> 00:02:36.689 The non-believer will not have the voice of the Holy Spirit. 70 00:02:36.709 --> 00:02:37.009 Couldn't. 71 00:02:37.910 --> 00:02:39.431 They just have the voice of shame. 72 00:02:39.611 --> 00:02:39.912 Amen. 73 00:02:40.772 --> 00:02:52.162 And this voice of shame, another aspect that you can tell that you might have a voice of shame running in your head is a racket that you could run. 74 00:02:54.343 --> 00:02:58.046 And a racket is when you're like inauthentic. 75 00:02:59.046 --> 00:02:59.867 about something. 76 00:03:01.428 --> 00:03:03.509 And you're afraid to say something. 77 00:03:03.890 --> 00:03:07.593 And so, you know, you pretend it's not true. 78 00:03:07.733 --> 00:03:24.565 I've, I've had a racket before with a person I worked with and I, I had things about this person that I thought needed to be better, but I, I ran a racket and I didn't say those things. 79 00:03:24.946 --> 00:03:25.986 I was inauthentic. 80 00:03:27.507 --> 00:03:28.108 And, uh, 81 00:03:29.547 --> 00:03:34.849 And so, but what I did then was justify that this person was really important. 82 00:03:37.610 --> 00:03:39.111 And it wasn't true. 83 00:03:39.591 --> 00:03:40.692 Amen. 84 00:03:40.712 --> 00:03:50.076 As a racket I ran, and so shame can whisper something to us, and it can cause us to not tell the truth. 85 00:03:51.756 --> 00:03:55.658 And in not telling the truth, we can then make a story up for it. 86 00:03:57.255 --> 00:04:13.929 And so we're talking about these voices, and I'm hoping as we talk about these voices, it begins to have people be curious about, could I really hear a different voice? 87 00:04:15.841 --> 00:04:18.402 And how would I hear a different voice? 88 00:04:19.082 --> 00:04:23.544 And how do I begin to move that direction? 89 00:04:24.064 --> 00:04:29.427 You know, and so let me let me let you jump in here. 90 00:04:29.627 --> 00:04:29.867 Sure. 91 00:04:30.007 --> 00:04:31.948 And then we'll just kind of go back and forth. 92 00:04:32.088 --> 00:04:32.308 All right. 93 00:04:32.528 --> 00:04:32.628 Yeah. 94 00:04:32.648 --> 00:04:33.048 Thank you. 95 00:04:33.408 --> 00:04:33.628 Yeah. 96 00:04:34.028 --> 00:04:34.329 Yeah. 97 00:04:34.529 --> 00:04:42.432 I think what I, the best way I understand this is to say this, how do I begin to experience? 98 00:04:44.735 --> 00:04:45.716 Who God says I am. 99 00:04:46.316 --> 00:04:46.517 Yeah. 100 00:04:46.637 --> 00:04:47.417 How do I do that? 101 00:04:48.498 --> 00:04:49.699 And who does he say you are? 102 00:04:49.899 --> 00:04:50.240 Amen. 103 00:04:50.940 --> 00:04:52.442 And it's interesting. 104 00:04:53.262 --> 00:04:55.785 A variety of things he says are true about me. 105 00:04:56.305 --> 00:04:58.147 He says I'm righteous and I'm holy. 106 00:04:59.087 --> 00:05:01.489 And the one I want to just dwell on for a minute is this. 107 00:05:02.350 --> 00:05:04.072 He actually says he gave me a new heart. 108 00:05:04.212 --> 00:05:05.553 I want to talk about that for a minute. 109 00:05:05.961 --> 00:05:06.201 Yeah. 110 00:05:07.081 --> 00:05:22.386 And the reason I do, Scott, is because unfortunately, Christians, often a majority of Christians, are still being taught that their heart is the heart of a Jeremiah, that it's deceitfully wicked. 111 00:05:23.986 --> 00:05:25.987 And that is not true. 112 00:05:26.147 --> 00:05:33.829 When God in Christ at Calvary redeemed me, he gave me a new reality. 113 00:05:35.671 --> 00:05:38.953 And in my new reality, I have a new heart. 114 00:05:40.153 --> 00:05:41.914 I wanna talk about that for a little bit. 115 00:05:43.015 --> 00:05:53.860 One of the voices of shame in my life was this, Scott, you and everyone else should never trust me because I'm not worth being trusted. 116 00:05:54.780 --> 00:05:58.542 And the reason I'm not worth being trusted is because you have no idea what I'm capable of doing. 117 00:05:59.856 --> 00:06:03.018 And you're not even aware of what I've already done. 118 00:06:04.138 --> 00:06:05.419 So I shouldn't be trusted. 119 00:06:05.439 --> 00:06:06.720 That's the voice of shape. 120 00:06:06.740 --> 00:06:08.060 Bill, you should never be trusted. 121 00:06:08.200 --> 00:06:09.381 Look what you are. 122 00:06:10.021 --> 00:06:17.145 So your behavior caused you to believe I shouldn't be trusted. 123 00:06:17.305 --> 00:06:18.045 Absolutely. 124 00:06:18.345 --> 00:06:22.848 Because I have behavior in my life that absolutely demonstrates you should not trust me. 125 00:06:22.868 --> 00:06:23.488 Exactly. 126 00:06:24.268 --> 00:06:28.531 Now, I didn't understand a dynamic that was taking place. 127 00:06:29.031 --> 00:06:29.291 Mm-hmm. 128 00:06:32.617 --> 00:06:37.260 Not only did I believe I shouldn't be trusted, I didn't believe you should be trusted. 129 00:06:38.581 --> 00:06:41.883 And so... And that was connected, wasn't it? 130 00:06:42.063 --> 00:06:43.804 Oh, phenomenally connected. 131 00:06:44.104 --> 00:06:48.947 I shouldn't be trusted, and I'm pretty sure that also means you shouldn't be trusted. 132 00:06:48.967 --> 00:06:50.208 You shouldn't be either. 133 00:06:50.308 --> 00:07:01.715 Now, I didn't realize, I do now, but I didn't realize that what I was doing in that transaction of not being trusted, not trust, I was also choosing at that moment to not be loved. 134 00:07:03.369 --> 00:07:04.109 I didn't know that. 135 00:07:06.330 --> 00:07:08.690 I call it the nuances of shame, but listen to this. 136 00:07:09.850 --> 00:07:22.733 If shame tells me I shouldn't be trusted, if shame tells me you shouldn't be trusted, I think the motivation of shame is so that we won't be loved. 137 00:07:23.013 --> 00:07:23.313 Yeah. 138 00:07:24.193 --> 00:07:27.534 Because- And love is like, it's like two things. 139 00:07:27.614 --> 00:07:31.255 It's like the gas and the oil in your car. 140 00:07:32.863 --> 00:07:33.644 Tell me what that means. 141 00:07:34.004 --> 00:07:36.505 Well, love is the fuel. 142 00:07:36.865 --> 00:07:37.266 Amen. 143 00:07:38.546 --> 00:07:41.048 But love also prevents you from burning up. 144 00:07:42.088 --> 00:07:42.529 Very good. 145 00:07:42.789 --> 00:07:43.249 I love that. 146 00:07:43.329 --> 00:07:44.210 I never heard that before. 147 00:07:45.130 --> 00:07:45.991 That's very good. 148 00:07:46.051 --> 00:07:47.371 So let's talk about that for a minute. 149 00:07:47.391 --> 00:07:47.872 Here I am. 150 00:07:48.632 --> 00:07:53.675 I'm wanting to hear a voice in me that is an alternative to shame. 151 00:07:55.572 --> 00:08:08.518 But shame is convincing me so strongly that the voice I'm hearing, listen carefully, comes from a heart that shouldn't be trusted. 152 00:08:08.918 --> 00:08:09.478 I'm done. 153 00:08:10.219 --> 00:08:14.580 I just trapped myself through shame in a cycle without resolution. 154 00:08:14.941 --> 00:08:15.181 Yeah. 155 00:08:16.221 --> 00:08:18.742 And then the miracle of Calvary happens. 156 00:08:19.343 --> 00:08:19.543 Yeah. 157 00:08:19.843 --> 00:08:24.325 Jesus, the son of God, goes to a place called Calvary and he does something. 158 00:08:25.376 --> 00:08:30.681 He offers to humanity redemption for sin and a new life. 159 00:08:32.042 --> 00:08:38.207 Now, if a Christian, I don't do this very often, but I think I can make a promise right now. 160 00:08:39.068 --> 00:08:51.519 If a Christian is taught that their heart is still deceptive, if they're being taught that their heart is still deceptive, that Christian is... 161 00:08:52.925 --> 00:08:55.526 is being taught they shouldn't be trusted. 162 00:08:57.427 --> 00:09:02.589 Yeah, and it will cause them to silence the inner being. 163 00:09:03.209 --> 00:09:04.029 Exactly. 164 00:09:06.370 --> 00:09:07.751 And listen to the voice of shame. 165 00:09:08.071 --> 00:09:08.851 There you go. 166 00:09:10.292 --> 00:09:12.193 Now that's like a triple negative. 167 00:09:14.469 --> 00:09:17.291 And so it's like, stop, guys. 168 00:09:17.471 --> 00:09:18.592 Stop with the shame stuff. 169 00:09:19.012 --> 00:09:19.853 Give me this other thing. 170 00:09:19.873 --> 00:09:20.673 What are you talking about? 171 00:09:20.713 --> 00:09:21.934 How do I experience? 172 00:09:22.835 --> 00:09:25.656 And I would say this, just again, it's out of my story. 173 00:09:27.378 --> 00:09:36.704 But I did, Scott, for a long time, even into my early ministry life, I still carried with me this false reality. 174 00:09:37.685 --> 00:09:39.186 I desperately wanted to be loved. 175 00:09:39.926 --> 00:09:41.087 Gosh, did I want to love it. 176 00:09:41.981 --> 00:09:46.862 I desperately knew how bad, how absolutely necessary it was for these young adults to trust me. 177 00:09:47.442 --> 00:09:49.202 But I was struggling with trusting myself. 178 00:09:50.242 --> 00:09:54.843 And I just want to share this as a, as a hope, just as a hope. 179 00:09:55.603 --> 00:09:59.644 It's like you read a verse for the first time, even though you've read it a thousand times. 180 00:09:59.724 --> 00:09:59.944 Yeah. 181 00:10:01.404 --> 00:10:07.325 And one day in Romans chapter six, it talked about verse 17. 182 00:10:07.885 --> 00:10:10.706 It talked about receiving truth. 183 00:10:12.268 --> 00:10:13.029 from your heart. 184 00:10:13.849 --> 00:10:15.130 And it did something to me. 185 00:10:16.551 --> 00:10:18.512 It caused me to question. 186 00:10:19.253 --> 00:10:20.253 What's going on in my heart? 187 00:10:20.273 --> 00:10:21.594 What's going on in my heart? 188 00:10:22.174 --> 00:10:24.776 If I'm supposed to receive truth from my heart. 189 00:10:24.856 --> 00:10:26.097 What's going on in my heart? 190 00:10:26.677 --> 00:10:28.298 Yeah. 191 00:10:28.418 --> 00:10:33.121 And it was a moment of understanding, but it was a period of application in this way. 192 00:10:34.522 --> 00:10:38.385 I can say today that I am a person 193 00:10:40.018 --> 00:10:49.066 who really believes with that miracle of grace that I have a new heart, listen carefully, that I can trust. 194 00:10:50.127 --> 00:10:50.887 Do you understand? 195 00:10:51.628 --> 00:10:53.770 My heart of shame, I never trusted me. 196 00:10:54.170 --> 00:10:54.390 Yeah. 197 00:10:54.571 --> 00:10:56.512 So I wouldn't dare let you trust me. 198 00:10:56.913 --> 00:10:57.933 Why would you trust me? 199 00:10:57.974 --> 00:10:58.734 I don't trust me. 200 00:10:59.415 --> 00:11:00.336 But that heart... 201 00:11:01.065 --> 00:11:06.166 that he gave me freed me to experience something. 202 00:11:06.886 --> 00:11:07.086 Yeah. 203 00:11:07.927 --> 00:11:19.249 It freed me, this is why we're talking about this, it freed me to experience, it gets me emotional, but it freed me to experience that I now have a heart that I can trust. 204 00:11:20.750 --> 00:11:22.410 And it wasn't instance, God, 205 00:11:23.286 --> 00:11:28.207 But I want you to know it began to break the bondage of the lie of shame. 206 00:11:28.447 --> 00:11:28.647 Yeah. 207 00:11:29.508 --> 00:11:31.348 Because then something happened. 208 00:11:32.308 --> 00:11:34.069 I began to trust others. 209 00:11:34.989 --> 00:11:35.929 Yeah. 210 00:11:36.089 --> 00:11:38.630 And something miraculously happened. 211 00:11:39.190 --> 00:11:43.751 When I began to trust others, they began to experience. 212 00:11:45.231 --> 00:11:47.112 And we began to experience love. 213 00:11:49.043 --> 00:11:57.850 I have said to a lot of people, those first eight to 10 years of our ministry with these young adults were just full of miracle after miracle. 214 00:11:58.211 --> 00:12:06.938 But for the man who's talking, I would say to you, I knew those young adults needed someone they could trust. 215 00:12:07.939 --> 00:12:17.227 And when I began to understand this important insight, Scott, what will I do if you choose to trust me? 216 00:12:18.947 --> 00:12:19.790 What will I do? 217 00:12:21.455 --> 00:12:25.728 Will I love you or will I use you? 218 00:12:28.103 --> 00:12:33.324 If my voice of shame wins that moment, I will use you. 219 00:12:33.404 --> 00:12:34.364 From the voice of shame. 220 00:12:34.484 --> 00:12:39.725 But if the voice of a new heart created in me by Christ, I will love you. 221 00:12:40.205 --> 00:12:40.425 Yeah. 222 00:12:41.045 --> 00:12:45.906 So I had been living into this reality of trusting I had a new heart, believing it. 223 00:12:46.926 --> 00:12:51.287 And then Bev, my late wife, had pancreatic cancer. 224 00:12:51.407 --> 00:12:51.667 Right. 225 00:12:52.627 --> 00:12:54.348 And it was a 20-month journey. 226 00:12:57.536 --> 00:12:58.136 until she died. 227 00:12:58.817 --> 00:13:04.881 It's like nobody gets, nobody makes it through the disease that she had. 228 00:13:04.902 --> 00:13:05.842 It was pretty much fatal. 229 00:13:06.403 --> 00:13:08.464 And I had all kinds of people. 230 00:13:08.804 --> 00:13:10.426 I had you in my life at that point. 231 00:13:11.006 --> 00:13:12.067 I had others in my life. 232 00:13:13.048 --> 00:13:13.508 Christians. 233 00:13:14.268 --> 00:13:18.872 I had Christians that told me, now when Bev's gone, 234 00:13:20.911 --> 00:13:27.660 Look, if you're really lonely and you just need to have sex with a woman, just do that. 235 00:13:27.900 --> 00:13:29.141 But don't just get married. 236 00:13:30.403 --> 00:13:33.367 Because I've seen some of my friends make mistakes. 237 00:13:33.427 --> 00:13:34.548 Yeah, right. 238 00:13:34.909 --> 00:13:35.890 So I had that advice. 239 00:13:36.170 --> 00:13:37.292 I bet you did. 240 00:13:37.312 --> 00:13:38.413 Tragically, but I bet you did. 241 00:13:38.433 --> 00:13:39.394 From a well-meaning friend. 242 00:13:39.975 --> 00:13:51.823 And I had other advice, and I had this point where I felt like, I think God wants me to figure this out and doesn't want me to be alone the rest of my life. 243 00:13:51.923 --> 00:13:53.904 And I don't want to be alone the rest of my life. 244 00:13:53.984 --> 00:14:01.689 And being alone felt terribly inefficient, as if a deficiency was important to me. 245 00:14:01.709 --> 00:14:08.754 It's like one person can grocery shop the same amount of time for two people as for one person. 246 00:14:10.047 --> 00:14:13.590 You know, just divide the chores and they get done half as much. 247 00:14:13.870 --> 00:14:19.114 Let alone, I love to talk and my house was so, so, so quiet. 248 00:14:19.174 --> 00:14:25.179 And so I started going on this journey of I'm going to try to find someone to be with. 249 00:14:26.040 --> 00:14:33.185 And I wouldn't say they were dates because when you do things online, it's like you meet to interview each other. 250 00:14:34.106 --> 00:14:36.908 But it was real quick in that journey, it's like, 251 00:14:39.312 --> 00:14:40.833 I can't just use somebody. 252 00:14:42.954 --> 00:14:44.154 I don't want to hurt someone. 253 00:14:45.335 --> 00:14:49.797 And it was like, this is proof I have a new heart. 254 00:14:49.877 --> 00:14:50.577 Good for you. 255 00:14:51.457 --> 00:14:53.558 And I really, it was there. 256 00:14:53.578 --> 00:14:54.979 That's excellent, Scott. 257 00:14:55.079 --> 00:14:55.359 Yeah. 258 00:14:57.380 --> 00:14:59.141 If you don't mind, I'm gonna interrupt you to say this. 259 00:14:59.181 --> 00:15:08.225 What I hear you say is, Bill, you know, I actually trusted that I had a heart that wanted to love. 260 00:15:08.905 --> 00:15:09.105 Yeah. 261 00:15:11.003 --> 00:15:12.284 And I needed someone to love. 262 00:15:12.524 --> 00:15:12.744 Yeah. 263 00:15:13.604 --> 00:15:15.665 And I also needed someone to love me. 264 00:15:16.365 --> 00:15:16.665 I did. 265 00:15:17.866 --> 00:15:23.928 And then in a miraculous way, God provided for me Eileen. 266 00:15:24.348 --> 00:15:24.649 Amen. 267 00:15:25.849 --> 00:15:27.530 And... Amen. 268 00:15:28.750 --> 00:15:31.231 And she's loved me in the most amazing ways. 269 00:15:32.412 --> 00:15:33.452 She's a wonderful lady. 270 00:15:33.592 --> 00:15:33.812 Yeah. 271 00:15:33.932 --> 00:15:35.193 She's a wonderful lady. 272 00:15:35.813 --> 00:15:39.695 But it was just like this proof of like, I do have a new heart. 273 00:15:39.795 --> 00:15:40.115 Amen. 274 00:15:42.199 --> 00:15:49.222 And then I think about Galatians 5, and Paul's talking to believers. 275 00:15:49.722 --> 00:15:56.084 He says, look, I tell any man, if you accept a law, you've got to keep them all. 276 00:15:58.686 --> 00:16:05.448 If you accept a law, any law, you've been severed from Christ and you've fallen from grace. 277 00:16:05.688 --> 00:16:06.048 Amen. 278 00:16:06.768 --> 00:16:21.232 And it's like, I think he was so emotionally charged in his statements because he says, look, you're going to give power to the voice of shame. 279 00:16:21.392 --> 00:16:21.792 Amen. 280 00:16:22.853 --> 00:16:23.493 If you do this. 281 00:16:23.953 --> 00:16:24.333 Amen. 282 00:16:24.433 --> 00:16:26.854 And you're going to lose the ability to hear. 283 00:16:26.874 --> 00:16:27.434 Amen. 284 00:16:27.454 --> 00:16:27.634 Amen. 285 00:16:28.142 --> 00:16:30.585 the voice that God's put in your heart. 286 00:16:30.725 --> 00:16:31.065 Amen. 287 00:16:31.506 --> 00:16:35.190 You will fall out of the opportunity for grace to have its voice. 288 00:16:35.951 --> 00:16:36.191 Yes. 289 00:16:37.152 --> 00:16:38.494 Now, let's stay there for a minute. 290 00:16:38.514 --> 00:16:39.575 It's well said, by the way. 291 00:16:41.510 --> 00:16:49.914 So let's just say I'm listening to you guys right now, and I'm going, do you guys have any idea what you just said? 292 00:16:50.614 --> 00:16:58.018 You know you're telling Christians they have a new heart, and you're telling Christians they don't have to trust the heart, that they have trusted all their lives? 293 00:16:59.058 --> 00:17:07.322 Because if they trust who God says they are, a new heart, and our words would be, and that they're trusting 294 00:17:08.700 --> 00:17:14.203 that who God says they are, were capable of living into that. 295 00:17:14.443 --> 00:17:23.668 Your example of trusting your heart, falling in love with a woman who knew how to love you well, because she'd been loved well. 296 00:17:24.368 --> 00:17:26.389 You have a form to a great relationship. 297 00:17:27.830 --> 00:17:33.092 But I'm thinking of people out here that are just, excuse me, puzzling with our words. 298 00:17:34.413 --> 00:17:35.814 Are you guys saying, 299 00:17:36.797 --> 00:17:44.159 that I need to stop believing a theology that keeps me in my sin. 300 00:17:44.719 --> 00:17:45.019 Yes. 301 00:17:45.039 --> 00:17:46.719 A hundred percent. 302 00:17:46.959 --> 00:17:47.900 That's what we're saying. 303 00:17:47.940 --> 00:17:48.120 Yeah. 304 00:17:48.680 --> 00:17:52.601 And how does your theology keep you in the bondage of your sin? 305 00:17:53.041 --> 00:17:55.321 Because it gives shame a voice. 306 00:17:56.222 --> 00:18:01.163 But what if you had a theology where a Savior actually took upon him 307 00:18:07.344 --> 00:18:16.326 and recreated in you a new person with a new heart that is alive without condemnation. 308 00:18:16.986 --> 00:18:28.729 So one of the questions, we've written an essay and part of our book on this, is how in the world do I experience a life from shame to no condemnation? 309 00:18:29.669 --> 00:18:31.809 That's in our book, we'll talk about it another time. 310 00:18:32.130 --> 00:18:33.850 Another way to say that, how do I 311 00:18:34.999 --> 00:18:44.626 How do I go from hearing and listening to and responding and reacting to the voice of my shame to a new voice? 312 00:18:44.866 --> 00:18:45.187 Amen. 313 00:18:46.848 --> 00:18:52.232 And you mentioned it, and it's a theological wonderment by God's grace. 314 00:18:53.593 --> 00:19:02.640 What if as a Christian, I actually lived believing that the Holy Spirit of God indwells me? 315 00:19:03.080 --> 00:19:04.441 What if I actually believed that? 316 00:19:06.167 --> 00:19:07.233 Now, I want to tell you something. 317 00:19:07.293 --> 00:19:09.324 As a human being, I've experienced something. 318 00:19:10.483 --> 00:19:14.584 I've experienced the power of sin in my life through the voice of shame. 319 00:19:14.905 --> 00:19:15.985 I've experienced that. 320 00:19:16.865 --> 00:19:19.406 And I've experienced something when I've experienced that. 321 00:19:19.906 --> 00:19:21.487 I have no power to deal with it. 322 00:19:22.227 --> 00:19:25.248 I cannot stop that voice. 323 00:19:26.008 --> 00:19:27.649 I don't stop that voice. 324 00:19:27.809 --> 00:19:39.133 But what if, this is another amazing truth, what if my believing that the Holy Spirit of God is living in me with a power 325 00:19:40.333 --> 00:19:46.757 in him, because he's alive in me, that is greater than the power of the voice of shame. 326 00:19:47.417 --> 00:19:47.617 Yeah. 327 00:19:48.318 --> 00:19:58.264 What if God in his wisdom knew that I had no ability to deal with the power of sin at all? 328 00:19:59.024 --> 00:19:59.204 Yeah. 329 00:19:59.465 --> 00:20:02.747 I have no ability to deal with the power of shame. 330 00:20:03.507 --> 00:20:05.108 And what if that God did something? 331 00:20:06.178 --> 00:20:10.701 He not only died for the sin that I do, but he came to indwell me. 332 00:20:12.643 --> 00:20:19.347 And the power of his presence with a new heart gives me the freedom. 333 00:20:19.388 --> 00:20:20.048 I love that word. 334 00:20:20.869 --> 00:20:25.712 Gives me the freedom to experience who he says I am. 335 00:20:27.593 --> 00:20:28.594 It's life-changing. 336 00:20:29.535 --> 00:20:31.156 It's life-changing, Scott. 337 00:20:31.796 --> 00:20:33.538 Once we as Christians... 338 00:20:34.376 --> 00:20:36.178 Begin to lean into. 339 00:20:36.278 --> 00:20:37.540 I love when you're at the conference. 340 00:20:37.560 --> 00:20:38.401 You step into. 341 00:20:38.421 --> 00:20:43.387 When we step into who God says we are, everything changes. 342 00:20:43.988 --> 00:20:44.168 Yeah. 343 00:20:44.809 --> 00:20:45.690 Everything changes. 344 00:20:46.251 --> 00:20:47.953 But you know what shame wants to tell us? 345 00:20:49.827 --> 00:20:51.088 You can't do that. 346 00:20:51.368 --> 00:20:52.048 It won't work. 347 00:20:52.549 --> 00:20:52.789 Right. 348 00:20:53.349 --> 00:20:55.271 No, it can't be that simple. 349 00:20:55.371 --> 00:20:57.712 Grace, guys, you're making this stuff up. 350 00:20:57.792 --> 00:20:59.573 Grace isn't, no, it's too simple. 351 00:20:59.974 --> 00:21:00.614 No, it's not. 352 00:21:00.814 --> 00:21:02.155 It's profound. 353 00:21:02.835 --> 00:21:03.056 Yeah. 354 00:21:03.296 --> 00:21:04.637 Because of what it costs God. 355 00:21:04.917 --> 00:21:05.157 Yeah. 356 00:21:07.859 --> 00:21:11.381 This voice of shame. 357 00:21:12.880 --> 00:21:16.361 It is disguised in more ways than we give it credit. 358 00:21:16.841 --> 00:21:18.262 Amen. 359 00:21:18.402 --> 00:21:21.663 It is more pervasive than we realize. 360 00:21:23.603 --> 00:21:29.165 It will speak to you that your shame is just about, you know, the seven deadly sins. 361 00:21:30.547 --> 00:21:32.609 but it is so much greater than that. 362 00:21:32.789 --> 00:21:38.653 And so much more invasive than that, and so much more hidden than that. 363 00:21:39.974 --> 00:21:50.482 And I think that's the point I'm wanting to make by talking about these voices, because sometimes when we talk about trusting who God says we are, 364 00:21:52.541 --> 00:21:56.362 we wanna just add it in the mix and keep the voices. 365 00:21:56.782 --> 00:22:00.264 Like they're good for me, they help me do better. 366 00:22:01.644 --> 00:22:04.865 And it's an either or thing. 367 00:22:05.245 --> 00:22:05.825 Absolutely. 368 00:22:06.045 --> 00:22:08.886 It's a realm of grace that we can live in. 369 00:22:08.906 --> 00:22:09.587 Amen. 370 00:22:09.987 --> 00:22:12.227 The kingdom of God that we can live in. 371 00:22:12.387 --> 00:22:12.668 Amen. 372 00:22:13.808 --> 00:22:18.129 Or it can all collapse and we live in the kingdom of this world. 373 00:22:18.449 --> 00:22:19.710 And we go back to Galatians. 374 00:22:20.557 --> 00:22:24.787 Imagine me as a Christian choosing something besides grace. 375 00:22:25.548 --> 00:22:25.749 Yeah. 376 00:22:28.158 --> 00:22:29.258 Oh my gosh, stop it. 377 00:22:29.438 --> 00:22:30.378 Yeah, yeah. 378 00:22:30.579 --> 00:22:32.579 It's why Paul is so passionate. 379 00:22:32.779 --> 00:22:33.439 Absolutely. 380 00:22:33.699 --> 00:22:37.200 In the book of Galatians, which was the book that I discovered, Grace. 381 00:22:37.280 --> 00:22:40.581 And so we're gonna keep having this conversation. 382 00:22:40.601 --> 00:22:43.521 I've got more angles to pick at it. 383 00:22:43.821 --> 00:22:45.782 And so I hope you continue to join us. 384 00:22:46.942 --> 00:22:50.363 Leave a comment, hit a like, share a message. 385 00:22:50.383 --> 00:22:51.863 We appreciate you watching. 386 00:22:52.323 --> 00:22:53.324 And we hope to see you next week. 387 00:22:53.624 --> 00:22:53.924 Thanks. 388 00:22:54.524 --> 00:22:54.904 Thank you.