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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints, and impact our culture.

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Hey everybody, what's the deal? What's going on? A lot of spiritual

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out of being talked about in America today seems to be somewhat of a spiritual

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awakening. I think that's true to some extent. I think it's also very dangerous on

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the other side of that. So let's talk about the darker side.

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You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast.

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Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ,

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amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what

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God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to the Jack Hibbs podcast. We are so glad that you were with us.

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We are very excited by the way, just kind of behind the camera off to the side stuff

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that has been going on. You should start seeing some changes in the not too distant future

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anyway. We're gonna kind of change up the set a little bit and try to also make it something that

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we can at times have a special guest more often where we interview people that would be very

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relevant topics. There will house of expertise that will definitely be an additive and enhancer

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a insight into various things that you and I deal with in life as a believer.

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And so we're excited. When I say change, I mean change where we make it even more Christ centered,

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even more, biblically relevant. So we're excited about that. So one of the things that we need to

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talk about is what the world seems to be talking about more. The spirituality of the world,

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especially young people today, I'll explain this in a moment. And that is in the realm of spirituality,

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which there's a real increasing craze about this. Some people would say, oh, we're on the

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brink of a revival. I hope so, but I can guarantee you this. The kind of stuff that I'm hearing

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and what we're gonna talk about today is not in the area of revival. Now some very naive or

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ignorant Christian who doesn't know the word might say, look, isn't this great? These kids

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are so spiritual. That's not great. It's not good unless Jesus Christ is the epicenter, the

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source, the core, the focus, the origin, and the finisher of that spiritual reality. Why do I

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bring this up today? Because, and I don't mean to be funny about this. In fact, I'm dead pan

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serious about this. I think it's a really, really smart thing for you to get alone

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and watch Peter Jackson's rendering of Lord of the Rings by J.R.R. Tolkien. And the reason

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why I bring that up is because it is a, it's Hollywood's version of trying to remind you,

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of course, they're trying to do justice to the great J.R.R. Tolkien, a Christian believer

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who led C.S. Lewis to Christ, great influencer in his day at Oxford University.

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But he took the world that he saw in World War One. And while he was in the trenches and while

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he was in the Great War, Tolkien as a believer was having a hard time coping with the inhumane

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treatment that war brought to Europe, brought to his eyes. It challenged his faith. He challenged

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his view of what was going on. How could, here is, here is the big thrust to what eventually gave

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birth to his, his epic work, The Lord of the Rings, was how could humans do this to other humans?

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How could humans inflict this kind of torture on another human? And he was really struggling

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with that. And I do believe God gave him his insights and understandings to what we call

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The Lord of the Rings. Now, when I say Lord of the Rings, many people just take that as,

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as just the movie, you got to remember, the movie was made from his book and the series from his

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books. Okay. And so for Tolkien, he looked around and he said, there's no explanation for this,

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except for what the Bible talks about. And that is, we may be warring against each other physically

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in this battle. But I think we're playing this out in the physical realm because it's a mirror.

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It's a mirror image of what's happening in the invisible realm. And that was an extremely

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insightful understanding because when you look at your Bible, for example, I'll just talk about Daniel

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for a second. When Daniel is fasting and praying, we don't realize till later, Daniel doesn't know

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this till later that the day that he began to pray to the Lord, the Lord gave an answer to Daniel's

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prayer. And the answer to Daniel's prayer was angel, I want you to go and give this answer to

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Daniel Gabriel, go tell Daniel, here's the answer to your prayer request. Speak to him, reveal

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yourself to him. It's important that this happen, but go. And it's later that we find out that

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Daniel was fasting and praying for 21 days. And then the angel arrives and says, Daniel,

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I was given the answer to your prayer request a long time ago, but for 21 days,

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the powers in the atmosphere over Persia resisted me. In fact, I had to call Michael

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in to help me in this fight in the spiritual invisible realm for me to be here. In fact,

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and when I'm done speaking to you, Daniel, I've got to go back and contend in this spiritual war.

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And it was a tremendous insight into what's going on in the invisible realm. Spirituality

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is a reality that is beyond the reality that you and I are experiencing right now. This

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microphone, my skin, this table, it's not the reality that long endures. The reality that endures

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is the spiritual realm that you and I cannot see. Jesus made this very clear. He talked about his

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kingdom being the kingdom that is not of this world. And yet the kingdom is here. The kingdom is

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among you. Then of course, Jesus said regarding the believer, the kingdom is inside of you.

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How can that possibly be true? Well, it's only true to your understanding is if you understand

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biblical realities. It's true if you believe it or not, but the reality is it's existing. And

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don't you dare think that it doesn't exist because you can't touch it, smell it, or feel it. In

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fact, some Christians, you want to be careful when you say, I just want to see, I want to see

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what's in the spiritual realm. God, show me what's in the spiritual realm. Yeah. According to the

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Bible, everybody who's encountered that world, like Daniel, winds up being literally physically sick.

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And so we're going to spend some time. This is probably going to be a two-parter at least. But

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let's start with this up front. And that is, we're going to be talking about what is not an

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exhaustive title, but it's a title enough. And that is biblical demonology. Biblical demonology.

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And the reason why I hesitate to use that as the full title is because you'll hear in this time

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together, I believe that there is a profound difference. Look, I recognize that my view is not

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modern. My view is more of one of antiquity. But I believe that there's a difference between fallen

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angels and demons. I don't know if we'll get a chance to talk about that. We'll see how it goes.

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But for the argument, for the sake of this argument, let's talk, let's put a banner over the top

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of this conversation. And it is what is biblical demonology? Why does it matter? And so, number one

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thing is that we're hearing a lot about spirituality. Man is built to be spiritual. That's why people

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embark upon things seemingly benign, I don't believe they are, such as those, you know, those lucky

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eight balls that you shake. And it's kind of like an eight ball sayons for yourself. I think

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that's such bad news. Weegee boards, bad news. There are all kinds of things like this, bad news,

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sayonses, bad news, a tarot cards, bad news, going to a palm reader, bad news.

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Some my opinion, but all that stuff has an origin in the book of Deuteronomy. And you can start

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reading in Deuteronomy chapter 13 all the way through to chapter 18, bad news. We know that

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King Saul went and disguised himself and consulted with the witch of Endor because he wanted to know

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what he should do regarding issues of the kingdom. And God busted him on this. And why? The scripture

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says in the book of Deuteronomy that a witch or a one that is in delvin and channeling or

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spirituality outside of God that the witchcraft, these things are real. They are real. The Bible says

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they're real. And you don't mess with them. And that's why God said in the Bible that you cannot

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suffer these types of those who practice these things to live. They must be put down. Why? Because

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they are of demonic activity. It's real. And they will lead people astray. You see, well, so what's

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the big deal? Here's the big deal. We're talking about ultimately the loss of souls, the loss of

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someone's spiritual life away from Christ and inheriting spiritual death, which is that even

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that is a little bit of a confusing thing because there is no such thing as the end of spiritual life

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even for a non-believer. When we say spiritual death, we're actually talking about those who are

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in hell, those who have been deceived, those who are suffering. They live forever, but they live in

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a forever hell, a forever death. But don't think there's annihilation. Don't think that there's

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unconsciousness. There's no such thing. The Bible is very clear. Jesus, the epistles by the

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apostles, the Old Testament, when a person dies in this world, their body dies.

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Their soul, their spirit lives on forever once having been created.

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And so let's talk about this right now. Let's talk about Satan. Let's talk about Satan.

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What's going on right now? Because a lot of people are talking about spirituality. Number one,

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is I have a beef with two camps within the Christian church. I have a beef with them for this

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reason. There are those who tend to lean or do lean into the Pentecostal group

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to the point of hyperpentecostalism regarding biblical demonology, meaning this. Everything's a demon.

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They'll meet a Christian who's having a hard time stopping the smoking of cigars. They have a demon

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of nicotine. They meet a Christian who has, they're struggling with getting

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victory over their temper. They have a demon of anger. Everything is explained away by this demon.

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You have this demon, that demon. You need to be exercised because you have this demon. Listen,

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number one, read 1 Corinthians, in fact, read both 1st and 2nd Corinthians because the

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city and the believers of Corinth were highly spiritual people, super spiritual. But because

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they didn't have any knowledge, they became hyper in their spiritual understandings. And so

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Paul writes to them and says, hey, and I'm paraphrasing, friends, obviously. Paul writes to them and

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says, listen, you guys, can you guys get calmed down a minute? Because first of all, know this.

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When you bow down and pray to an idol, you're praying to a demon because these idols,

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these animals are these idols or these totem poles or whatever you want to call it,

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these icons, their entry points for demonic activity said knock it off.

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But then he also said, listen, you guys need to understand something. That Christ will not share

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you the temple of the Holy Spirit with demons. He's not going to live inside you and allow a demon

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or Satan to live inside you too. And you're not an apartment with vacant rooms. If you are a

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believer in the Lord Jesus Christ and you're born again, you are sealed by the Holy Spirit

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unto the day of redemption. And the scripture is clear, he will not share you with belile

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or beeldzebub or Satan. It's not going to do it. Now, if you know, watch my fingers. If you know

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somebody who's a Christian and they're possessed, then they're not a Christian. Okay, wake up.

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Don't think that Christianity is so frail, fragile and powerless. Oh, no, no, no. Many times

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we're guilty of assuming someone's spirituality for Jesus because it makes us feel better. We need

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to wise up and get smart about this. When somebody tells me that they're a Christian, I do not believe

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them. I'm sorry, I'm going to tell you right up front. If somebody meets me in the mall or at the

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beach or, you know, wherever and says, Hey, hi, I'm a Christian. I don't believe that. They don't

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know, I believe that. They don't know that I'm holding them in suspect. If somebody says to me,

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Hey, I know you. I saw you on TV. You're that pastor. I'm a Satanist. Ah, much more relaxed

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meeting the Satanist because I don't expect anything from him, but lies and stuff that Satan

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says it's good to do. As soon as somebody says they're a Christian, now I got to wait and check

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them out and see if they bring forth fruit that is actually Christian. Are you hearing me?

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There's a lot of responsibility that when you, when somebody says they're a Christian because

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now I got to watch you and you have to watch me for the next 30 days and we'll see how that goes.

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But if somebody says they're a non-believer or they're a Satanist, that goes down a lot easier

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because I don't expect anything from them because they've not employed the name of Christ.

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So let's talk about Satan's origins. Let's put them, let's put them in the right proper place

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because the hyperpennacostal group will deify so to speak, promote, grandize, Satan's behind

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everything. For those of you who are older, do you remember Flip Wilson told us the devil made

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me do it. Everybody blames stuff on the devil and they don't take any responsibility for their

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dumb decisions or they're given into their godless pleasures. They need to repent and get

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right with God. There's no doubt about it. But don't blame it on the devil. If you keep

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blaming on the devil, then you'll never repent of anything. Okay. We'll get back to this,

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maybe this this episode or the next one, maybe you can remind me, but even during the millennium

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that's yet to come when Christ reigns on earth, Satan will be bound for a thousand years

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and people will still be sinning in the millennium. They're still they're still going to be bad actors

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in the millennium. How is that possible? Because we don't need Satan to lead us astray. We lead

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ourselves astray because Jeremiah tells us that our heart is desperately wicked who can know it.

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Okay. So that's a topic later in this podcast or later in the next episode. But also from the

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hyperpenicostal group, we have to address this. There are those who predominantly traffic in the

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reform camp and they avoid they don't they won't even mention Satanic stuff. They won't even go

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there. It's just not in the vocabulary to go there. They have to sterilize the whole thing. They

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don't know what the deal is. They they'll read the gospels and they'll say that happened then

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or it can't happen now. And so they'll talk a lot about mental illness. They'll talk a lot about

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psychological issues, psychosis, multiple personalities. They'll they'll actually wind up giving

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more credit to psychology than just the pure unadulterated perfect word of God. And so you don't

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want the pendulum to swing so far to one side that you deny that there's demonic activity because

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you're going to have a really big problem because Jesus said demonic activity as we get deeper into

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the last days is only going to increase. It's going to get worse. So I don't know what my brothers

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on the reform side are going to do with that. But we also have to be careful that we don't go

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to the hyperpenicostal side and say, you know, I just saw Satan walk by and look over there that

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firehards just turned into a demon. I don't know what's going on. This is crazy stuff. So we need

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to have a balance and the balance is the Bible period. Let's talk about Lucifer. Lucifer was the

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name given to him by God. Lucifer. He is in the Old Testament. The angels are referred to as

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two, listen, listen, two things. They're referred to as stars. They're also referred to as

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sons of God, angels in the Old Testament, exclusively not not people, not humans in the Old

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Testament, exclusively angels are referred to as sons of God. They're also known as ministering

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spirits. They are servants of God throughout the Old and New Testament. So when we talk about

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Lucifer, that was his name prior to his fall. Who is this angelic power? What is he? And what is

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he not? So again, this is a, this is not a deep course on biblical demonology, but it's enough

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to get you going. By the way, if you want to get really deep into this, I highly recommend to you

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a book. If you can find it, it's not easy. It's titled biblical demonology by Merrill. Merrill with

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two hours, Merrill Unger, UNGR. I would not waste my time with any other book except that book by

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Merrill Unger. So Lucifer is a created being. He's created. We know from Colossians chapter one,

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we know from Hebrews chapter one that not only are angels created, we also know this from the book

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of Job that they are created, but the Bible tells us that Jesus is their actual creator. Jesus

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Christ Himself created the angelic world. And this of course predates the creation of the physical

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universe. Because we know that when the physical universe was created by Christ, that the sons of

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God sang worship to the Lord at the moment of creation. They were there. They saw it happen.

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They saw the physical world created, though they themselves are created. They were created before

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the physical world was created. But listen, Satan is a created angelic creature. He is in the

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order of what we know from the Bible as an archangel or a a cherubum of high rank. We don't know

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all the names, or if there are other names, we're not aware of a no-catholic theology will give you names,

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but that's only from extrabiblical writings. But we know that Michael is an archangel.

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We know that Gabriel is an archangel. Lucifer is an archangel. There's a little bit of debate.

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I'm not exactly sure the full answer myself, but in the book of Revelation is a badden,

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is a badden, another name for Satan, or is a badden, another fallen angel that is of an archangel

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status that's debated. But we know this that there are a few mentioned in scripture. We know for

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sure there are three archangels mentioned in scripture certainly. And Lucifer is one of them.

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Lucifer, Michael, Gabriel. But he's created. And because he's created, his character, his nature is

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limited. Satan is not everywhere. He can't. He's localized. He can only be where he is.

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But does that give him tremendous power being in the spirit realm to traverse the universe quickly?

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Yes, absolutely. He can do that. But he's localized. He cannot be, for example,

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here at this very moment, and in Moscow, in the Kremlin, or in the White House, or in Tanzania. He

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can't do that. But he clearly has a highly advanced communication system with his fallen angels.

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The Bible tells us that when Satan fell, when Lucifer fell, he was able, in the fall,

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the scripture tells us to deceive one third of the angelic host. Now, generically speaking,

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when Satan deceived one third of the angelic host, we don't know how many that means. We don't know.

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We don't know the number. Because the angelic world appears to be

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almost impossible for you to fathom in the way of number. So when the Bible says he led one third

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in deception, can you imagine that? Who's the father of lies according to the Bible? Lucifer.

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He's such a perfect liar that he was able to so convince one third of the angelic host

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to rebel against God and go with his plan. That's how powerful he is.

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But listen to this, who's equal to his power? Well, we know for sure there are two angels equal

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to his power, Michael and Gabriel. You see, well, how about what about Jesus's power

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in relation to Lucifer's power? It's impossible to compare, cannot do it. I say impossible,

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because it's not like it's so close, not exact opposite.

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Lucifer, Satan is not equal to Jesus's power.

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Lucifer's power is equal to Michael's power or Gabriel's power.

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But Jesus is the second person of the Trinity, the Son of God. Jesus is the creator.

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There is no comparison of God's power to Satan's power. I'd love this. Listen, this little side note.

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Years ago, Amir Sarfate, a dear friend of mine, brother. We've been friends. I don't even know how long.

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Many decades, three decades or more. So Amir said, man, we were going up to,

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we were walking up to, back in those days, you could go to the temple mount without

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getting in trouble. We were heading up that way, going right over near the hotel and getting ready

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to ascend to the temple mount. And Amir said, man, you know what, he goes just a couple of weeks ago,

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he said, there were some Nigerians singing and they looked beautiful. They're all colorfully

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clad and they're purple and orange and green and blue robes and they're Christians

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having come from Nigeria and they were singing. And one of the songs that they were singing

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is one that I hope will help you remember this podcast. And the song somehow goes like this.

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They were talking and saying about the power of God. And in that song, there's this line.

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Uh, Jesus power, super power, Satan's power, powerless power. And they were singing and we're

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cracking up because Amir broke out and they're in the retelling of that. And so he's doing it.

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Satan's power, powerless power. Jesus power, super power. Well, that's true. That's a great

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way to remember this. Satan's power. He's got power, but it's powerless power.

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Jesus power, super power. Now, if you don't have Jesus Christ in your life, you're a sit and duck

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for Satan's powerless power. You cannot compete against his powerless power. He will kick your

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tail and he will blind your eyes and he'll steal your heart and he'll do it with all the little

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bells and whistles and all the glittery parts and the things that shine and get you all giddy.

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That's how he just sucks you in. So your power, if Satan has powerless power against Christ,

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you have powerless power against Satan. You're a sit and duck. But if you're a believer, Satan literally

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has no power over you literally because the Bible says in 1 John 4, 4, greater is he that lives in you.

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That's a reference to the Holy Spirit than he that is in the world. That is a reference to Satan

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and his cohorts. So his origins, we can look at this and it's a full study for your own. Isaiah

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chapter 14, write that down. Isaiah chapter 14, write it down and Ezekiel chapter 28, write that down.

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Isaiah 14 and Ezekiel 28. If you want to start knowing a little bit more about the nature of

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Lucifer and Satan and his attributes, you'll start there. And I just see right now we're at a time.

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We're at a time. This might be a three-parter because we're going to get back together and do part

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two together. In the meantime, get a copy, biblical demonology by Merrill Unger,

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read Isaiah chapter 14 very carefully. Slow read. Read it in its context fully and Ezekiel chapter

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28 fully in its context. Man, I'm sorry to cut you guys off, but I got to do this. So listen,

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