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Real life presents the Jack Hibb's podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth,

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equip the saints and impact our culture.

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The moments leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination.

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We're on our way to UVU that morning in the car.

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Charlie gets footage on his phone of the crowd.

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He shows it to me. I'm looking at it. It's like an amphitheater.

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I said to him, Charlie, I don't like this place. There's too many buildings.

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I either got the first call from you or from Mikey.

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He said, Jack, get everyone in the world praying.

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There's so much blood.

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You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibs.com slash podcast.

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Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you.

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Here is Jack Hibb's.

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So this is not only a cathartic moment for you and I that we've decided to make public here in this podcast.

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The moments leading up to Charlie Kirk's assassination, I say martyred him.

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You agree with that? I know.

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You and I haven't had a chance to talk.

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You've been so busy since that moment and we both enjoyed a friendship with him.

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You hit the ground running to fill that gap in the void and you've been doing an amazing job.

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And I went the other way.

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So many people were talking about Charlie and everybody was his friend and long time buddy and everybody was his pastor.

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And I just kind of stepped back in the sense of

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watching things play out but trying to honor a friend of a young man in the faith

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where what comes to my mind Frank is not that I'm a Paul or that you are a Paul but Charlie would have looked at us like a Paul.

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Him being the Timothy and he was such a precious student of the word but let's talk.

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The amazing thing that day that the last picture that I took with Charlie,

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your brother was between us.

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Because when we got to UVU and got out of the SUV, he was there.

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And Charlie took pictures with all the TPSA kids that were lined up and then your brother was there and he goes,

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I'm Jack Gibbs brother.

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That's what they heard.

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You used to call him a mountain man.

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What's his name again?

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But that's not his real name.

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Burton.

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And so he introduced himself and the last picture, formal picture that's probably Charlie took was with him and me.

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Here's the backstory to that.

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So my brothers lived in Utah for years and we have to make sure that this doesn't get out but he looks like a mountain man and he's all over the terrain.

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I'm going to give you the picture you can put it in.

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Some people would say that he is a covert military operative for the CIA and in conjunction with the Musad.

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He loves the mountains.

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So he had months to reach out to me to say, hey, can you give me a chance to meet Charlie and to get a decent seat.

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But no, he calls me the night before.

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Oh yeah.

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And he goes, hey, can you.

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And I say, well, I mean, I'll give Charlie a call but it's going to lay, you know, and all that stuff.

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And I'm thinking, so I honestly reach out to Charlie.

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He said, Charlie, listen, my brother lives nearby.

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He wants to come see you.

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I know that's a, this is, you got too much going on right now.

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But I was faithful to give you his request.

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God bless you tomorrow.

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So the next thing I know, that's how I found out is that he sent me that picture.

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And my first thought was this, wow, I got to thank Charlie for going above and beyond.

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And for you, Frank, to be there, here's my brother sandwiched in between two rocks.

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And then so I went about my morning, not long.

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And I'm trying to remember the sequence of things.

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I either got the first call from you or from Mikey.

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It was one or the other.

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It was very, very close.

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I do believe you were the first one.

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That was after we got to the hospital.

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Okay, then I got the first call from Mike.

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The emergency room after we got Charlie there.

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I recall you.

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I remember what you were saying.

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Okay, so Mikey, Mikey called.

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And he said.

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He said, Jack, get everyone in the world praying.

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There's so much blood.

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There's so much.

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It's, and he was beside himself.

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You can imagine.

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Man, in that moment, when I got that, I didn't believe it.

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Then I facetimeed you.

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I faced, we were talking.

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You?

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So I'd blood on me.

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So my brother, my brother calls, and he's can't talk.

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He said, Charlie's been shot.

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Now listen, I have, there's, I have a relative whose name's Charlie.

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And he's very involved in politics and he's all over the United States.

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And I thought it was Charlie, because in Charlie got shot.

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And I said, and I actually said, what do you do now?

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What did he do now?

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And he said, Charlie Kirk got shot.

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And I said, what?

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And he couldn't, he just broke down.

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I actually hung up on him.

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And I started making calls.

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Your call came in, which was a facetime call.

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And yeah, you had blood on you.

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Yeah, that's still, I haven't, I haven't just thought, I don't even know if I've

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been meditated in all of that.

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And then of course I went, because it was online everywhere, I saw the whole thing.

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And, but you right away got a prayer chain going, and then that happened that about

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12, 30, you told time.

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And so that's within six hours you were preaching about it.

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That's right.

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And that message that night was well done.

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Charlie Kirk.

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And as horrific as that martyrdom was, that assassination was, we know that Charlie

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didn't feel a thing.

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He went from doing what he loved the absolute most to entering glory painlessly, instantly.

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And I think of the mercy of God and the goodness of God in that.

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But the young man, we were talking before going on camera right now, how there was a transformative

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shift in Charlie's life regarding faith.

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I don't mean, I don't mean he came to faith.

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He came to faith in the fifth grade.

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Yeah, yeah.

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What I mean is there was a transformation in him seen that Christianity is viable in any

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sphere and any culture at all times.

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And Charlie, we had hours of elongated discussions over Jack, how do you biblically justify

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voter registration and be voting?

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How do you do that?

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Everybody I talk to tells me that I need to talk to you guys because you guys with Gina Gleason leading the

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the spear on this, you guys been doing this for decades.

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How do you do this?

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How do you, what's the deal?

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And he honestly was asking.

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You know, you know this, he was always so teachable.

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And Charlie, this is the reason why.

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These are the verses.

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Why?

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And the citizens saying, yeah, but that's one man's interpretation.

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Charlie said, I didn't know that.

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And you watched that.

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Like, I think you said before camera, like 2019.

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2019 is probably when he really realized that a Christian should be a Christian 24, 7, 365, 360 degrees every area of life.

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And he reached out to me in January of 2020 saying he had been watching our videos and was blessed by them.

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Could we meet?

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And so we met that shortly thereafter and he wanted me to mentor him in Christian apologetics.

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And as you know, Jack, it could be difficult to mentor someone smarter than you, but not in Charlie's case.

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You know, the few things I didn't know he wanted to know because the only thing that exceeded his intellect was his humility.

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Remarkably so.

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And he had many mentors.

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You were a mentor.

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He had mentors everywhere.

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He was smart.

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He had men porn into his life.

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And the great thing about Charlie, it's not that we, I mean, look, I mean, I'm not taking anything away from him doing the opposite.

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But you and I are both busy people.

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Charlie never came to us and said, please, please, please, please, will you mentor me?

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Will you be my pal?

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Why you and I responded and so many people responded to him as mentors is that you could not walk away from his hunger and passion for truth.

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No, I told him several times.

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I've been waiting for somebody like you for 30 years.

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When I started to get, when I would seminary 30 something years ago, I said, where is the guy out there who is so connected in the secular world,

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but will never compromise on the gospel and will ensure that the two go together, that he wants to influence the secular world with the gospel politically, culturally, morally, socially, he wanted to do that.

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And I, you know, you see Christians in politics all the time and they mentioned God in a kind of an ambiguous way.

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You know, they don't, they kind of sidestepped Jesus, they sidestepped the gospel.

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Yeah, it's terrible.

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Charlie was just like a blowtorch right on it.

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And he's going to get rewards ultimately for that.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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And I know right now he senses, wow, for 31 years, in fact, I said this at, I know if it was at the memorial or at Amphus, I said it was tragic.

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The Charlie was taking us, taken from us after 31 years, but he accomplished more in 31 years than any 10,000 people I know who have lived for 80.

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Exactly correct.

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It's equally tragic, perhaps more so to live 80 years and do nothing for.

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I had this similar thought and I framed it this way in my own head.

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There are people who can say that they've been a Christian for say 60 years, but they've got about one year experience that repeats about every year.

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It's the same thing.

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They don't grow beyond the one year, but they've been a Christian for 60 years.

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Paul said to the Corinthians, you're going to make it in, you're going to make it in.

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And then there are those who like Charlie lived a short period of time, but they put down about maybe a hundred years of influence, of experience in 31 years.

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I remember you said something right after this happened, Jack, I've never forgotten it.

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You said if Charlie lived 250 years ago, he'd be normal.

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Do you remember saying that?

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Of course I do.

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Yes, I do.

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Explain that.

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Yeah, so Charlie's understanding what you just articulated about the gospel not being parsed out or segregated to areas of life, but everywhere.

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You and I have read our founding fathers.

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In fact, I'm sometimes more at home reading my founding fathers' private papers because I feel like I know them.

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And they're dead, so they can't change their mind, they can't go woke.

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And they don't have a podcast, so that's really great.

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So when you looked at Charlie in my mind, I dropped them into maybe I don't know, 1770, 1774, 76, 1780, 89, Charlie fit perfectly.

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He would have been John Adams and him would have been best of friends.

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There was so much alike that way.

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Yeah, normal.

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And Adams knew that our government was made for only, our constitution was made for only religious and moral people.

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It is inadequate.

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Holy inadequate.

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Holy inadequate for the governance of any other.

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Completely true.

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And Charlie knew that.

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Yeah, you knew that.

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Charlie wanted to spread the gospel and save his country.

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You know, one of the, we have a mutual friend of gosh, I'm kind of, I'm freak out right now.

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So let's, let's kind of exaggerate this in a sanctified form.

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Here's Charlie Kirk.

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And by the workings of God, there are people that are coming into Charlie's life by whatever means.

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It happened and you can name them.

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But what, but my lane is so narrow, but in that lane, there, there's the man Frank Turk that I've known for so long and good friend and.

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So Charlie, Charlie winds up somehow you guys wind up connecting.

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And then either you or I or somebody said, you got to, Charlie, you got to talk to Bill Federer.

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Oh, wait.

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Well, what?

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It just keeps expanding.

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So it's, it's Turk.

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It's Federer.

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It's, it's Prager.

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It's all of these people pouring into the man.

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That's right.

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And that's just the hand of God.

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And so you said that.

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So yeah.

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I mean, it's a perfect example that if, if we're open and willing to learn, because you remember Charlie would say learn something new every day.

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Just learn something new every day.

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The wise listen, he would say.

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Those are just paraphrased right out of Proverbs.

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But can you, are you comfortable enough to share some of the, you, you guys walked a lot?

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Are you okay to check the public?

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We, um, in the summer of 2025, uh, Charlie wanted to get ready for the tour.

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And the first event was, was Utah.

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And so on four occasions, he and I got together in Phoenix to, we would just sit around and talk about issues.

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He wanted to talk about that he wanted to be better at answering questions on campus.

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And sometimes it would be just him and me.

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Sometimes it'd be me, him, Mikey, Blake, Neff, Danny Philip.

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These are people in TPUSA.

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And, uh, the last event we had was, he went out to Japan.

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I don't know if you remember this.

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He went to Japan in Korea.

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Absolutely.

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Right.

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Like in the beginning of September.

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And we were together in the beginning of August for the third event.

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And he said, Hey Frank, um, the first event is September 10th.

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And I'm going to be in Japan and, and Korea.

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Like on the ninth.

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It'll work.

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It'll work out great.

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So we would get together during the day for a couple of hours, two, three hours.

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And, you know, he'd be working.

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I'd be working.

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And then we get together.

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And then after he and Erica put the kids down, he'd say, Hey, let's go on a walk.

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And we do this every time I was in Phoenix.

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And the last walk we had was Monday night.

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The murder happened on Wednesday.

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And we probably walked for 90 minutes.

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Always with a 300 pound bodyguard behind us, arm bodyguard.

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We'd walk around his neighborhood.

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And there are three things we talked about that night, Jack.

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We spent most of our time on.

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The first was, of course, government and Islam.

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He's concerned about Islam coming and imposing Sharia law on us.

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And we all ought to be concerned about that because that's the history of Islam.

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Another name that goes in there, he reached out to me sometime before that.

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And I connected in with Jay Smith.

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Jay Smith, yes.

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And apostate prophet, Rydvier Adaman.

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Adamir, Rydvier Adamir, who I've become friendly with.

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And Adam on the show several times.

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So he had a peon with apostate prophet.

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And Jay's amazing too.

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In any event, so we're talking about that.

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I talked a little bit with him about the Islamic dilemma.

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You know, the Islamic dilemma.

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You know, if you get a Muslim up there, you ought to ask the Muslim,

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why does the Quran say, obey the Bible on one hand?

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Yet on another hand, it says.

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Fill it all.

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It disagrees with the Bible.

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It says Jesus Christ in the dead.

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Jesus is the Word.

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Yeah.

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We had a beginning and it's limited.

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No, it's a dilemma they can't get out of.

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And the two chapters right next to one another.

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In surah 5 verse 68, it says, oh you people of the book,

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you have no ground to stand on, unless you stand on the Torah and the gospel.

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So it's saying to the Jews and Christians at the time,

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believe what the Bible says.

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Yet in the chapter before in surah 1, surah 4 verse 157,

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it says Jesus didn't rise from the dead because he didn't die.

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He was dead and straight to heaven.

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It wasn't crucified.

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So here's the problem for the Muslims.

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If the Bible's true, we know the Quran is false.

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But if the Bible's false, the Quran is still false.

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Yeah.

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Because it's telling that...

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It leans on the Scripture.

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Yeah, yeah.

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So Muslims don't know how to get out of that.

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So Charlie and I talked about that quite a bit that night.

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The second thing he wanted to talk about was the resurrection.

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And how can we show in a succinct way during Q&A

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that the resurrection really occurred?

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So we went through that.

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Yes, I love it.

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And you've argued that wonderfully in your messages.

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Sure.

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And there's really only two facts you need to show to show

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that Christianity is true, mere Christianity.

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Number one, God exists.

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Number two, Jesus rose from the dead.

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Yeah.

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If those two things are true, it's actually easy to show the Bible's

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the Word of God.

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Rest of it's downhill.

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Yeah, it's downhill.

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It's easy.

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So we talked about that for a while.

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Then the last thing we talked about, Jack,

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and we were doing laps on the top of his building,

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talking about this.

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He was really concerned that his generation was not embracing marriage.

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The men were, the women were not.

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Yeah.

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He said, I'm glad the men are moving in marriage's direction.

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Yeah.

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But the women are not.

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And why are they going to listen to me?

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Yeah.

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And everybody out there who is a woman talking about this

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is a career woman.

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They could see the mild contradiction.

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Exactly.

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So we didn't come up with a solution to that problem that night.

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But ironically, it could be that Erika,

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once this trial is over and all this nonsense that's being talked about

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with conspiracy theories goes away, hopefully it will.

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She's going to be the one that women are going to look to and say, wow.

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Look at, look at how she has handled herself through all this

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with grace and elegance.

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And she, all she wanted to do was take care of her children.

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And she's still taking care of her children,

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even though she's doing what her husband wanted her to do.

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Yeah.

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But stop.

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And it didn't dawn on me until after this happened, Jack.

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Charlie was talking about the three institutions that God has stepped on.

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Wow.

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He was talking about government.

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Government.

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He was talking about church and marriage.

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And marriage.

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No, no, no.

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Yeah, government church in marriage.

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The three sacred institutions found in the script.

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He was such a, he was such a strategic thinker

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that when we're having a conversation about the issues that he wants to get better at,

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he automatically goes to the big three.

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I believe that's evidence of a sanctified heart in mind.

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Yes.

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Meaning the Holy Spirit was welcomed to use him

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and thus Charlie thought and talked the truth of Scripture.

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And he knew something that you said many years ago.

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And that was don't be two thirds of a Christian.

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Oh, yes.

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Don't be just about marriage and the church.

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I mean, that's important family church, obviously.

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But don't forget about government.

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Yeah.

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God established government.

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Yeah.

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And God put government in place to punish wrongdoers and protect innocent people from evil.

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And if we don't do that, we are giving up on God's institution.

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That's right.

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So Charlie.

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Wow.

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Yep.

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And that final night.

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Man.

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That's what he was talking about, Jack.

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That's what he was talking about.

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And me had one other thing.

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And this, by the way, is all going to be in a book that we just wrote doesn't come out to September called the War on Reality.

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Great.

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Recovery, recovering truth in a world that celebrates lies.

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The first chapter is all about what we're talking about right now.

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The whole books in honor of Charlie started writing it before the whole book shifted after the murder.

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I mentioned to you.

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Sorry.

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No, I just want to complete the thought because the next day.

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So Monday night.

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We're out on a walk.

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Next day.

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September night.

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Charlie calls a meeting a scheduled zoom meeting with two officials in Israel.

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One Jewish defender of Israel in the United States.

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I'm in the room with Charlie Blake's in the room.

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Mikey's in and out.

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What do you think we're talking about, Jack?

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I know.

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We are talking about how the propaganda war against Israel is gaining ground even though it's all lies in deception.

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And Charlie is asking these guys, how can I better defend the truth regarding Israel?

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You guys helped me with that.

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That's right.

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I was in this meeting.

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It lasted 50 minutes.

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This idea that Charlie was given up on Israel as false.

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Not only as a false, but I'm going to be off on time.

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I'll just say this.

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Before that, Charlie had asked me as the cutest thing ever.

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My phone rang.

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It's Charlie.

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What's up?

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Hey, can you give me a sermon that you've done that just kind of brings everything together about Israel's existence and the promises of God and its future?

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And I said, no.

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I said, Charlie, you're talking great questions, buddy.

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You're talking about sermons from the Bible.

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I don't have a sermon.

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I have hundreds of sermons on this.

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And he goes, well, I'm boning up on this quick.

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I need something.

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And I told him.

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I said, look, you read like a fish swims through water.

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And I told him to get isriology by Arnold Fruttenbaum.

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Oh, Fruttenbaum.

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Yes, of course.

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Read the book.

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And the other book, I forget it.

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The author is, but it's called Startup Nation.

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But he wrote those down.

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He said, I'm writing them down.

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And I sent him a couple of, you may not remember this guy.

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He's a West Coast guy.

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But a guy by the name of Chuck Missler.

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I know Chuck.

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I was in Israel with Chuck.

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My gosh.

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Yeah.

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Oh, my gosh.

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Chuck Missler had tremendous logic and scripture on, in fact, I got this.

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I say this, but I don't give a check the credit.

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If God doesn't keep his promises to Israel, then we have no promises as a church.

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I got that from him.

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And so, yeah, no, no, the audience needs to know that.

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I don't care what people are saying about Charlie.

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They're using him.

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They pimped him to try to advance their own anti-Semitic views or hatred or whatever it is about Israel.

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And they tried to use him.

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And that's a very, very, it's beyond, it's beyond.

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Here is a distinction we talked about.

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And Charlie, in fact, when I said this to him, he said, wow, this is worth the whole trip.

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Because we were talking about blessing Israel.

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Now, what does that mean?

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Right.

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Does that mean that you have to agree with everything the secular government says?

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No.

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And I said, no, that's not what it means.

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Exactly.

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Because if you want to bless somebody, you tell them the truth.

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Yeah.

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If you want to bless your child, you don't agree with everything your child does.

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That's right.

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You acknowledge and you protect the existence of the child.

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You still feed him?

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Yes, yes.

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You might get disciplined, but you're still fed.

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That's right.

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That's right.

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So, I mean, what's the proverb, Jack?

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I think it's in Proverbs 27.

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It says, it says, wounds from a friend are good, but an enemy multiplies kisses.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah.

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Always.

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So wounds from a friend.

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They were compliments.

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00:26:44.700 --> 00:26:46.700
You want wounds from a friend.

504
00:26:46.700 --> 00:26:47.700
Yes.

505
00:26:47.700 --> 00:26:50.700
People tell you when you're off base.

506
00:26:50.700 --> 00:26:51.700
That's right.

507
00:26:51.700 --> 00:26:53.700
So we talked about that and she said, wow.

508
00:26:53.700 --> 00:26:56.700
That really opens it up because I thought blessing meant you had to agree with everything.

509
00:26:56.700 --> 00:26:57.700
No, no, no, no, no.

510
00:26:57.700 --> 00:26:58.700
Where did that come from?

511
00:26:58.700 --> 00:26:59.700
Let's be honest.

512
00:26:59.700 --> 00:27:00.700
Yeah.

513
00:27:00.700 --> 00:27:05.700
I know you have ever thought that Genesis 12, 1 and 2 meant that.

514
00:27:05.700 --> 00:27:06.700
We never thought that.

515
00:27:06.700 --> 00:27:07.700
No, we never thought.

516
00:27:07.700 --> 00:27:09.700
Well, bless is matter what they do.

517
00:27:09.700 --> 00:27:10.700
But we have to agree with them.

518
00:27:10.700 --> 00:27:11.700
Where did you get that thinking?

519
00:27:11.700 --> 00:27:13.700
That's a bizarre thought.

520
00:27:13.700 --> 00:27:14.700
Well, of course not.

521
00:27:14.700 --> 00:27:16.700
You don't agree with everything.

522
00:27:16.700 --> 00:27:19.700
One other objection that comes up.

523
00:27:19.700 --> 00:27:21.700
Well, you can't support them.

524
00:27:21.700 --> 00:27:22.700
They're apostate.

525
00:27:22.700 --> 00:27:25.700
Hey, souls 90% of the church.

526
00:27:25.700 --> 00:27:28.700
No, I was looking at the pulp of America.

527
00:27:28.700 --> 00:27:33.700
I was going to say Jack or Charlie, hilarious, Charlie.

528
00:27:33.700 --> 00:27:42.700
On every king of the Northern kingdom was apostate and only a handful from the Judah were good.

529
00:27:42.700 --> 00:27:45.700
And God still valued their existence.

530
00:27:45.700 --> 00:27:47.700
But there was a point where he said, that's enough.

531
00:27:47.700 --> 00:27:48.700
Yeah.

532
00:27:48.700 --> 00:27:49.700
You're going to be judged.

533
00:27:49.700 --> 00:27:50.700
Yeah.

534
00:27:50.700 --> 00:27:52.700
You know, the nation of Israel, as it stands out, might be judged.

535
00:27:52.700 --> 00:27:53.700
Yeah, absolutely.

536
00:27:53.700 --> 00:27:55.700
It could go out of existence and come back again.

537
00:27:55.700 --> 00:27:56.700
We know this.

538
00:27:56.700 --> 00:27:57.700
We know this from Scripture.

539
00:27:57.700 --> 00:27:58.700
Yeah.

540
00:27:58.700 --> 00:28:05.700
That, oh, 2000 years ago they were dispersed throughout all the world.

541
00:28:05.700 --> 00:28:10.700
And God says, no, just what are the chances?

542
00:28:10.700 --> 00:28:13.700
2000 years ago, they're dispersed throughout all the world.

543
00:28:13.700 --> 00:28:19.700
Deuteronomy 28 said that that's what would happen if they rejected his law, his word.

544
00:28:19.700 --> 00:28:21.700
Personify his word.

545
00:28:21.700 --> 00:28:24.700
The nation, the national leaders, a lot of people think.

546
00:28:24.700 --> 00:28:25.700
This is sad.

547
00:28:25.700 --> 00:28:31.700
That on the day of Palm Sunday, when the people shouted Hosanna, Hosanna.

548
00:28:31.700 --> 00:28:35.700
And then by the end of the week, they're yelling crucify and crucify him.

549
00:28:35.700 --> 00:28:41.700
There's some lazy theology there where we automatically think because it sounds kind of cute.

550
00:28:41.700 --> 00:28:47.700
Everybody who welcomed him on Palm Sunday turned around and said crucify him later that week.

551
00:28:47.700 --> 00:28:48.700
We don't know that.

552
00:28:48.700 --> 00:28:50.700
It doesn't say the same crowd.

553
00:28:50.700 --> 00:28:52.700
There could have been a mix.

554
00:28:52.700 --> 00:28:54.700
Here's what we know.

555
00:28:54.700 --> 00:29:00.700
Is that the national leaders of Israel refused Christ as king.

556
00:29:00.700 --> 00:29:04.700
But even that was prophesied what happened, right?

557
00:29:05.700 --> 00:29:07.700
What do you say, Jack, what do you say that?

558
00:29:07.700 --> 00:29:11.700
Because on the day of Pentecost, the church was a bunch of Jews.

559
00:29:11.700 --> 00:29:13.700
Yeah, this is why I say the church was Jewish.

560
00:29:13.700 --> 00:29:14.700
This is why I say this.

561
00:29:14.700 --> 00:29:15.700
And then it went to the world.

562
00:29:15.700 --> 00:29:18.700
This is why I say people say, I can't trust those.

563
00:29:18.700 --> 00:29:20.700
I can't trust this book because it was written by Christians.

564
00:29:20.700 --> 00:29:21.700
No, it wasn't.

565
00:29:21.700 --> 00:29:22.700
There are no Christian sources in the body.

566
00:29:22.700 --> 00:29:23.700
Exactly.

567
00:29:23.700 --> 00:29:24.700
They all started as Jews.

568
00:29:24.700 --> 00:29:26.700
And they didn't walk around with the New Testament.

569
00:29:26.700 --> 00:29:28.700
Paul turns.

570
00:29:28.700 --> 00:29:30.700
Let me go to Thessalonians.

571
00:29:31.700 --> 00:29:35.700
So the thing is this, that God has made these promises.

572
00:29:35.700 --> 00:29:39.700
And the first start is glorious because in Genesis 3.15,

573
00:29:39.700 --> 00:29:41.700
he says, I'm paraphrasing now.

574
00:29:41.700 --> 00:29:42.700
I mean, I can quote it exact.

575
00:29:42.700 --> 00:29:46.700
But the meaning out paraphrase is, hey, things are messed up.

576
00:29:46.700 --> 00:29:47.700
Thank you, Adam and Eve.

577
00:29:47.700 --> 00:29:49.700
Boy, you should ruin this whole gig.

578
00:29:49.700 --> 00:29:52.700
However, I have a plan.

579
00:29:52.700 --> 00:29:56.700
From your seed, the Messiah will come.

580
00:29:56.700 --> 00:29:57.700
Capital S.

581
00:29:58.700 --> 00:30:01.700
The faithful one or the Messiah will come.

582
00:30:01.700 --> 00:30:02.700
The anointed one.

583
00:30:02.700 --> 00:30:06.700
And by the way, when he comes, he's going to crush the head of the serpent,

584
00:30:06.700 --> 00:30:07.700
the seed of the serpent.

585
00:30:07.700 --> 00:30:10.700
That's the first, in fact, first prophecy.

586
00:30:10.700 --> 00:30:11.700
You know what?

587
00:30:11.700 --> 00:30:12.700
Thank you for saying that.

588
00:30:12.700 --> 00:30:14.700
People say, I don't want to talk about Bible prophecy.

589
00:30:14.700 --> 00:30:15.700
Or you have to.

590
00:30:15.700 --> 00:30:18.700
Because the first, they're inseparable.

591
00:30:18.700 --> 00:30:19.700
Frank, listen.

592
00:30:19.700 --> 00:30:20.700
You already know this.

593
00:30:20.700 --> 00:30:21.700
What am I getting excited about?

594
00:30:21.700 --> 00:30:22.700
I don't know.

595
00:30:22.700 --> 00:30:23.700
It's exciting for everyone.

596
00:30:23.700 --> 00:30:29.700
Genesis 3.15 is the first so technological verse in the Bible.

597
00:30:29.700 --> 00:30:34.700
And it's also the first eschatological verse in the Bible.

598
00:30:34.700 --> 00:30:38.700
Prophecy and salvation are inseparable.

599
00:30:38.700 --> 00:30:42.700
Because the spirit of Revelation 19.10 says,

600
00:30:42.700 --> 00:30:45.700
Jesus Christ is the spirit of prophecy.

601
00:30:45.700 --> 00:30:46.700
Think of that.

602
00:30:46.700 --> 00:30:48.700
Jesus Christ is salvation.

603
00:30:48.700 --> 00:30:49.700
It's the same.

604
00:30:49.700 --> 00:30:50.700
The same author.

605
00:30:50.700 --> 00:30:54.700
That said, God will keep his promises to Israel.

606
00:30:54.700 --> 00:30:57.700
But remember, he says a remnant will believe,

607
00:30:57.700 --> 00:31:00.700
when that time comes, there'll be a remnant.

608
00:31:00.700 --> 00:31:03.700
Now, apparently it's a remnant's kind of large,

609
00:31:03.700 --> 00:31:08.700
because at least we know there's 144,000 Jewish evangelists coming

610
00:31:08.700 --> 00:31:12.700
in the book of Revelation, 12,000 from each tribe during the tribulation period.

611
00:31:12.700 --> 00:31:13.700
I don't know.

612
00:31:13.700 --> 00:31:15.700
144,000 is a lot of people.

613
00:31:15.700 --> 00:31:17.700
But I guess in the grand scheme of things,

614
00:31:17.700 --> 00:31:19.700
they're going to preach Gentiles.

615
00:31:19.700 --> 00:31:22.700
John said, I saw so many Gentiles I got saved from their ministry.

616
00:31:22.700 --> 00:31:24.700
You couldn't number them all.

617
00:31:24.700 --> 00:31:25.700
Remarkable.

618
00:31:25.700 --> 00:31:29.700
But that said, yeah, if God doesn't keep his promise to Israel

619
00:31:29.700 --> 00:31:33.700
and to Abraham and to Abraham's descendants, I ain't got nothing.

620
00:31:33.700 --> 00:31:36.700
And you cannot say there's no future for Israel

621
00:31:36.700 --> 00:31:38.700
because Romans 11.

622
00:31:38.700 --> 00:31:39.700
9.10, 11.

623
00:31:39.700 --> 00:31:41.700
9.10, but especially 11.

624
00:31:41.700 --> 00:31:43.700
Because 11, when he says, all Israel will be saved,

625
00:31:43.700 --> 00:31:45.700
and then it says right after that, Jack,

626
00:31:45.700 --> 00:31:49.700
it says, on account of the gospel, they're enemies.

627
00:31:49.700 --> 00:31:50.700
That's right.

628
00:31:50.700 --> 00:31:52.700
But on account of election, the election of the nation of Israel,

629
00:31:52.700 --> 00:31:54.700
not salvation.

630
00:31:54.700 --> 00:31:57.700
They're friends on account of the patriarchs.

631
00:31:57.700 --> 00:31:58.700
Yeah.

632
00:31:58.700 --> 00:32:00.700
This Israel that he's talking about the time,

633
00:32:00.700 --> 00:32:02.700
they're not saved.

634
00:32:02.700 --> 00:32:03.700
Yeah, that's exactly right.

635
00:32:03.700 --> 00:32:04.700
They can't be the church.

636
00:32:04.700 --> 00:32:05.700
Exactly can't be the church.

637
00:32:05.700 --> 00:32:07.700
So they were dispersed for 2,000 years

638
00:32:07.700 --> 00:32:08.700
to the four corners of the earth.

639
00:32:08.700 --> 00:32:14.700
Then God says in Ezekiel Isaiah, Joel, Amos,

640
00:32:14.700 --> 00:32:17.700
he says, in the later days,

641
00:32:17.700 --> 00:32:19.700
I will bring them back into their own land.

642
00:32:19.700 --> 00:32:22.700
Ezekiel says, I'm going to bring them back in unbelief.

643
00:32:22.700 --> 00:32:23.700
Think of that, Aliyah.

644
00:32:23.700 --> 00:32:24.700
They call it Aliyah.

645
00:32:24.700 --> 00:32:25.700
Did you make Aliyah?

646
00:32:25.700 --> 00:32:27.700
I'm going to go make Aliyah.

647
00:32:27.700 --> 00:32:28.700
What is that?

648
00:32:28.700 --> 00:32:29.700
I was born in Brazil.

649
00:32:29.700 --> 00:32:30.700
I'm Jewish.

650
00:32:30.700 --> 00:32:34.700
But I have this compelling drive to watch this.

651
00:32:34.700 --> 00:32:37.700
To not only go to Israel and live.

652
00:32:37.700 --> 00:32:43.700
But since October 7, 2023,

653
00:32:44.700 --> 00:32:48.700
more Jews immigrated back, I say back.

654
00:32:48.700 --> 00:32:50.700
They didn't start there.

655
00:32:50.700 --> 00:32:52.700
They were born in America.

656
00:32:52.700 --> 00:32:54.700
After 2023, October,

657
00:32:54.700 --> 00:32:57.700
they made Aliyah and moved to Israel.

658
00:32:57.700 --> 00:32:58.700
Huge numbers.

659
00:32:58.700 --> 00:32:59.700
Huge numbers.

660
00:32:59.700 --> 00:33:00.700
What's going on?

661
00:33:00.700 --> 00:33:01.700
Does the Bible talk about that?

662
00:33:01.700 --> 00:33:02.700
Yes, in great detail.

663
00:33:02.700 --> 00:33:06.700
Isaiah chapter 43, for example.

664
00:33:06.700 --> 00:33:08.700
But that said,

665
00:33:09.700 --> 00:33:12.700
where in any historical rodents

666
00:33:12.700 --> 00:33:15.700
is there somebody who calls himself God,

667
00:33:15.700 --> 00:33:17.700
who says, these are my people.

668
00:33:17.700 --> 00:33:19.700
They're a real pain in the rear.

669
00:33:19.700 --> 00:33:21.700
They're going to disobey me radically.

670
00:33:21.700 --> 00:33:23.700
When they do, they're going to pay for it.

671
00:33:23.700 --> 00:33:25.700
And they're going to be dispersed.

672
00:33:25.700 --> 00:33:27.700
But because I keep my word with Abraham,

673
00:33:27.700 --> 00:33:28.700
even though he was sleeping,

674
00:33:28.700 --> 00:33:29.700
I made a covenant with myself.

675
00:33:29.700 --> 00:33:30.700
That's right.

676
00:33:30.700 --> 00:33:32.700
I'm going to bring them back into their land.

677
00:33:32.700 --> 00:33:34.700
They're going to come back kicking and screaming spiritually.

678
00:33:34.700 --> 00:33:36.700
They might run back for the money.

679
00:33:36.700 --> 00:33:39.700
They might run back to be safe.

680
00:33:39.700 --> 00:33:42.700
But they're going to come back.

681
00:33:42.700 --> 00:33:44.700
The veil's over their eyes.

682
00:33:44.700 --> 00:33:46.700
Romans 9, 10, 11.

683
00:33:46.700 --> 00:33:47.700
I'm going to lift that veil at some time.

684
00:33:47.700 --> 00:33:49.700
That's sovereign to God.

685
00:33:49.700 --> 00:33:52.700
And yeah, a remnant will be saved.

686
00:33:52.700 --> 00:33:54.700
The remarkable thing is,

687
00:33:54.700 --> 00:33:59.700
Amos tells us that once he has brought them back into their land,

688
00:33:59.700 --> 00:34:01.700
they shall never again,

689
00:34:01.700 --> 00:34:02.700
I'm quoting Everbatom,

690
00:34:02.700 --> 00:34:04.700
they shall never again be uprooted.

691
00:34:04.700 --> 00:34:06.700
We know the tribulation period is going to be Jesus.

692
00:34:06.700 --> 00:34:09.700
So you don't think they could be booted out again and come back?

693
00:34:09.700 --> 00:34:10.700
No, they won't be booted out.

694
00:34:10.700 --> 00:34:11.700
You don't think so?

695
00:34:11.700 --> 00:34:12.700
They won't be booted out.

696
00:34:12.700 --> 00:34:13.700
They will be taken.

697
00:34:13.700 --> 00:34:14.700
I'll put it this way.

698
00:34:14.700 --> 00:34:16.700
Their worst days are ahead.

699
00:34:16.700 --> 00:34:17.700
Okay.

700
00:34:17.700 --> 00:34:19.700
If I understand the seven years,

701
00:34:19.700 --> 00:34:21.700
and the rise of the antichrist,

702
00:34:21.700 --> 00:34:23.700
Jesus said it this way,

703
00:34:23.700 --> 00:34:25.700
concerning those days,

704
00:34:25.700 --> 00:34:26.700
if I do not return,

705
00:34:26.700 --> 00:34:28.700
there'll be no flesh left on the earth.

706
00:34:28.700 --> 00:34:29.700
Right.

707
00:34:29.700 --> 00:34:30.700
Remember that?

708
00:34:30.700 --> 00:34:31.700
Jesus.

709
00:34:31.700 --> 00:34:32.700
That's right.

710
00:34:32.700 --> 00:34:33.700
That's right.

711
00:34:33.700 --> 00:34:38.700
Jesus is saying that to those who he says in Matthew 24,

712
00:34:38.700 --> 00:34:40.700
when you see the abomination I've spoken of by Daniel,

713
00:34:40.700 --> 00:34:43.700
the prophet standing where it ought not to,

714
00:34:43.700 --> 00:34:44.700
come down from your house,

715
00:34:44.700 --> 00:34:46.700
from your rooftop in flee.

716
00:34:46.700 --> 00:34:48.700
You and I do not live in our rooftop.

717
00:34:48.700 --> 00:34:49.700
You've been there.

718
00:34:49.700 --> 00:34:50.700
They have flat roofs.

719
00:34:50.700 --> 00:34:51.700
If you're in the field,

720
00:34:51.700 --> 00:34:53.700
don't go back to get your jacket run.

721
00:34:53.700 --> 00:34:56.700
If you're pregnant on that day,

722
00:34:56.700 --> 00:34:57.700
on that time,

723
00:34:57.700 --> 00:34:58.700
and nursing,

724
00:34:58.700 --> 00:34:59.700
basically it's going to be tough.

725
00:34:59.700 --> 00:35:00.700
Oh,

726
00:35:00.700 --> 00:35:04.700
and he says,

727
00:35:04.700 --> 00:35:07.700
he deliberately mentions the Sabbath,

728
00:35:07.700 --> 00:35:10.700
pray that your escape is not on the Sabbath,

729
00:35:10.700 --> 00:35:12.700
or that is in winter.

730
00:35:12.700 --> 00:35:15.700
I can't tell you how many times I've been to Israel in the winter

731
00:35:15.700 --> 00:35:17.700
when it's snowed in Jerusalem.

732
00:35:17.700 --> 00:35:18.700
That said,

733
00:35:18.700 --> 00:35:20.700
it's Jewish in context.

734
00:35:20.700 --> 00:35:21.700
Think of it.

735
00:35:21.700 --> 00:35:22.700
Think about it.

736
00:35:22.700 --> 00:35:23.700
And he says,

737
00:35:23.700 --> 00:35:24.700
flee.

738
00:35:24.700 --> 00:35:26.700
Now that said,

739
00:35:26.700 --> 00:35:29.700
it's going to look very, very obviously very, very terrible.

740
00:35:29.700 --> 00:35:30.700
It's going to be very, very terrible.

741
00:35:30.700 --> 00:35:32.700
Think about the times of the Holocaust.

742
00:35:32.700 --> 00:35:33.700
It's going to be worse.

743
00:35:33.700 --> 00:35:34.700
Jesus said,

744
00:35:34.700 --> 00:35:35.700
if you didn't come back,

745
00:35:35.700 --> 00:35:36.700
there would be no flesh left.

746
00:35:36.700 --> 00:35:38.700
So I do believe this,

747
00:35:38.700 --> 00:35:41.700
that once they're back in their land,

748
00:35:41.700 --> 00:35:43.700
they will never again be uprooted.

749
00:35:43.700 --> 00:35:47.700
They may be hanging by the skin of their teeth at some point.

750
00:35:47.700 --> 00:35:50.700
But May 14, 1948,

751
00:35:50.700 --> 00:35:51.700
which was yesterday.

752
00:35:51.700 --> 00:35:54.700
As we're recording it right now, yeah.

753
00:35:54.700 --> 00:35:55.700
Yeah.

754
00:35:56.700 --> 00:35:58.700
Listen, listen everybody.

755
00:35:58.700 --> 00:36:00.700
Israel celebrated.

756
00:36:00.700 --> 00:36:01.700
78.

757
00:36:01.700 --> 00:36:07.700
It's 78th birthday for the second time.

758
00:36:07.700 --> 00:36:09.700
Yeah.

759
00:36:09.700 --> 00:36:11.700
Think of it.

760
00:36:11.700 --> 00:36:13.700
They were once a nation, God said,

761
00:36:13.700 --> 00:36:15.700
and then they're going to cease to be a nation,

762
00:36:15.700 --> 00:36:16.700
and then they're going to be a nation.

763
00:36:16.700 --> 00:36:17.700
Listen to this.

764
00:36:17.700 --> 00:36:19.700
Isaiah 66, beginning at verse 8,

765
00:36:19.700 --> 00:36:21.700
God says,

766
00:36:21.700 --> 00:36:26.700
Will Zion be made to give birth in one day?

767
00:36:26.700 --> 00:36:29.700
Can a nation come forth in a day?

768
00:36:29.700 --> 00:36:32.700
And yet Israel will come forth.

769
00:36:32.700 --> 00:36:34.700
Isaiah 66.

770
00:36:34.700 --> 00:36:38.700
The no nation was born a second time in one day,

771
00:36:38.700 --> 00:36:39.700
but Israel.

772
00:36:39.700 --> 00:36:43.700
Certainly not speaking the same language after 1900 years.

773
00:36:43.700 --> 00:36:44.700
That's never happened.

774
00:36:44.700 --> 00:36:49.700
Same language, same culture, same, same remarkable.

775
00:36:49.700 --> 00:36:52.700
But look, I'll be the first to say,

776
00:36:52.700 --> 00:36:55.700
and I'm happily labeled to be a friend of Israel.

777
00:36:55.700 --> 00:36:57.700
I get yelled at for that.

778
00:36:57.700 --> 00:36:59.700
That's fine.

779
00:36:59.700 --> 00:37:01.700
Hey, what's the alternative?

780
00:37:01.700 --> 00:37:03.700
Look, step away from the Bible for just a second.

781
00:37:03.700 --> 00:37:05.700
Just for just a second.

782
00:37:05.700 --> 00:37:06.700
Totally.

783
00:37:06.700 --> 00:37:08.700
What's the alternative?

784
00:37:08.700 --> 00:37:10.700
I ask people all the time,

785
00:37:10.700 --> 00:37:12.700
because I get questions all the time on Israel, Hamas.

786
00:37:12.700 --> 00:37:14.700
The first question I ask back is,

787
00:37:14.700 --> 00:37:16.700
have you read the Hamas Charter?

788
00:37:16.700 --> 00:37:17.700
Oh, my 1928.

789
00:37:17.700 --> 00:37:18.700
No, no.

790
00:37:18.700 --> 00:37:20.700
Well, the Muslim brother, I'm talking about Hamas Charter,

791
00:37:20.700 --> 00:37:21.700
like 1988.

792
00:37:21.700 --> 00:37:22.700
Okay, sorry.

793
00:37:22.700 --> 00:37:23.700
Okay.

794
00:37:23.700 --> 00:37:25.700
One person out of dozens said, yes.

795
00:37:25.700 --> 00:37:28.700
I said, you shouldn't have an opinion on this conflict

796
00:37:28.700 --> 00:37:29.700
unless you read Hamas Charter.

797
00:37:29.700 --> 00:37:30.700
Good for you.

798
00:37:30.700 --> 00:37:31.700
Do you remember what Hamas Charter says?

799
00:37:31.700 --> 00:37:35.700
Hamas Charter says that they want to wipe out the Jews.

800
00:37:35.700 --> 00:37:37.700
Hamas Charter says,

801
00:37:37.700 --> 00:37:40.700
all this talk about land deals and conferences.

802
00:37:40.700 --> 00:37:41.700
That ain't it.

803
00:37:41.700 --> 00:37:42.700
It's a waste of time.

804
00:37:42.700 --> 00:37:43.700
That's right.

805
00:37:43.700 --> 00:37:46.700
It will not be solved except by G-Hod.

806
00:37:46.700 --> 00:37:47.700
This is in the...

807
00:37:47.700 --> 00:37:48.700
Look it up.

808
00:37:48.700 --> 00:37:50.700
It's on the internet, okay?

809
00:37:50.700 --> 00:37:52.700
It's going to be solved by G-Hod.

810
00:37:52.700 --> 00:37:55.700
Total eradication of the Jewish line.

811
00:37:55.700 --> 00:38:02.700
So before you start blaming or accusing a group of genocide, Israel,

812
00:38:02.700 --> 00:38:07.700
maybe ought to look at the group Hamas that advertises,

813
00:38:07.700 --> 00:38:09.700
that's exactly what they wanted.

814
00:38:09.700 --> 00:38:12.700
Hamas, Hezbollah, technically the Muslim brotherhood.

815
00:38:12.700 --> 00:38:13.700
The Houthis.

816
00:38:13.700 --> 00:38:14.700
The Houthis.

817
00:38:14.700 --> 00:38:15.700
Yes.

818
00:38:15.700 --> 00:38:16.700
If...

819
00:38:16.700 --> 00:38:20.700
What's the guy called today?

820
00:38:20.700 --> 00:38:21.700
Nobody knows he's alive.

821
00:38:21.700 --> 00:38:22.700
Most people think he's dead.

822
00:38:22.700 --> 00:38:23.700
Who's the G-Hod?

823
00:38:23.700 --> 00:38:24.700
The Twelfth Imam.

824
00:38:24.700 --> 00:38:25.700
The Cardboard.

825
00:38:25.700 --> 00:38:26.700
What?

826
00:38:26.700 --> 00:38:27.700
The Cardboard.

827
00:38:27.700 --> 00:38:28.700
Who's the guy on a run right now?

828
00:38:28.700 --> 00:38:29.700
All of the IRGC.

829
00:38:29.700 --> 00:38:30.700
Oh, okay.

830
00:38:30.700 --> 00:38:31.700
IRGC.

831
00:38:31.700 --> 00:38:32.700
And the Khomeini Sun.

832
00:38:32.700 --> 00:38:33.700
Khomeini Sun.

833
00:38:33.700 --> 00:38:37.700
They can't stop until there's no more Jew.

834
00:38:37.700 --> 00:38:39.700
That's why if they get a nuke, they're probably going to use it.

835
00:38:39.700 --> 00:38:43.700
Because they think they're going to bring in the end times by getting rid of Israel.

836
00:38:43.700 --> 00:38:44.700
Okay.

837
00:38:44.700 --> 00:38:50.700
Frank, you're on a topic right now that I wish you and I could tie Trump

838
00:38:50.700 --> 00:38:55.700
in the entire cabinet down like chain him up and say to them,

839
00:38:55.700 --> 00:38:59.700
can you give us an hour and then we'll gladly leave.

840
00:38:59.700 --> 00:39:03.700
Will you listen to us?

841
00:39:03.700 --> 00:39:04.700
You can make any deal you want.

842
00:39:04.700 --> 00:39:06.700
It's only going to be short-lived.

843
00:39:06.700 --> 00:39:07.700
It's not going to last.

844
00:39:07.700 --> 00:39:10.700
Well, not only that, they can lie to the infidel.

845
00:39:10.700 --> 00:39:12.700
That's what I was going to say.

846
00:39:12.700 --> 00:39:13.700
Yeah, yeah.

847
00:39:13.700 --> 00:39:15.700
Do you know that they get to lie.

848
00:39:15.700 --> 00:39:18.700
They're commanded to lie to you guys to get things moving.

849
00:39:18.700 --> 00:39:23.700
And do you know that they believe in waiting things out where

850
00:39:23.700 --> 00:39:28.700
don't declare Trump victory too soon because here's the way they think what you don't know.

851
00:39:28.700 --> 00:39:35.700
As long as one of them are standing, one, they believe they're winning.

852
00:39:35.700 --> 00:39:37.700
That's how they interpret victory.

853
00:39:37.700 --> 00:39:42.700
If one of their team members is still standing after the U.S.

854
00:39:42.700 --> 00:39:48.700
and the Israelis decimate them, but there's one standing, victory.

855
00:39:48.700 --> 00:39:49.700
I'm not making it up.

856
00:39:49.700 --> 00:39:51.700
That's how they do things.

857
00:39:51.700 --> 00:39:56.700
And there has to be the, in fact, for the Quran to be true,

858
00:39:56.700 --> 00:39:58.700
the crescent has got to close.

859
00:39:58.700 --> 00:40:02.700
What I mean, what I say by that is look on every mosque.

860
00:40:02.700 --> 00:40:05.700
Now, I may be wrong about this.

861
00:40:05.700 --> 00:40:09.700
It's been the Al-Aqsa Mosque, which is the Grey Dome.

862
00:40:09.700 --> 00:40:11.700
And the Dome of the Rock Mosque.

863
00:40:11.700 --> 00:40:14.700
I think one of those bear witness of the ultimate goal.

864
00:40:14.700 --> 00:40:17.700
Most countries, if you go around and look at a mosque,

865
00:40:17.700 --> 00:40:20.700
most of them have a crescent at about 45 degrees angle.

866
00:40:20.700 --> 00:40:23.700
I don't know why, not always, but it's not closed.

867
00:40:23.700 --> 00:40:26.700
It's a crescent, okay?

868
00:40:26.700 --> 00:40:30.700
In Islam, the crescent cannot, the moon cannot become full.

869
00:40:30.700 --> 00:40:35.700
The crescent cannot close until Israel is no more.

870
00:40:35.700 --> 00:40:36.700
And there's no more Jews.

871
00:40:36.700 --> 00:40:42.700
That's why in Jerusalem, the Al-Aqsa or and or the Dome of the Rock Mosque

872
00:40:42.700 --> 00:40:47.700
has a closed crescent, a full moon, which is a whole,

873
00:40:47.700 --> 00:40:51.700
we need Bill Federer right now to talk about the moon god of Babylon.

874
00:40:51.700 --> 00:40:54.700
That's who Allah is, but that's another day.

875
00:40:54.700 --> 00:40:57.700
That said, I love what you said a moment ago.

876
00:40:58.700 --> 00:41:02.700
The world thinks, oh, let's have a peace deal.

877
00:41:02.700 --> 00:41:04.700
They spell peace differently.

878
00:41:04.700 --> 00:41:06.700
And I don't really need peace.

879
00:41:06.700 --> 00:41:08.700
I don't know how this is going to turn out.

880
00:41:08.700 --> 00:41:10.700
Because I'm not confident.

881
00:41:10.700 --> 00:41:14.700
The only thing that could bring them back a constitutional monarchy

882
00:41:14.700 --> 00:41:16.700
is if the military turns on the mollus.

883
00:41:16.700 --> 00:41:20.700
And that might happen when they stop getting paid.

884
00:41:20.700 --> 00:41:24.700
Because the people don't have weapons, Jack.

885
00:41:24.700 --> 00:41:25.700
Did you see the news?

886
00:41:25.700 --> 00:41:26.700
You've been in an airplane all day.

887
00:41:26.700 --> 00:41:27.700
Yeah, yeah, I haven't seen it.

888
00:41:27.700 --> 00:41:28.700
That's the breaking news today.

889
00:41:28.700 --> 00:41:29.700
What?

890
00:41:29.700 --> 00:41:32.700
The IRGC have not been paid.

891
00:41:32.700 --> 00:41:33.700
Okay.

892
00:41:33.700 --> 00:41:34.700
I didn't see it.

893
00:41:34.700 --> 00:41:35.700
I'm just saying.

894
00:41:35.700 --> 00:41:39.700
And the IRGC is being fed right now, potatoes.

895
00:41:39.700 --> 00:41:40.700
They're out of food.

896
00:41:40.700 --> 00:41:42.700
You're right.

897
00:41:42.700 --> 00:41:43.700
Maybe, listen.

898
00:41:46.700 --> 00:41:48.700
I don't know because, listen, Frank.

899
00:41:48.700 --> 00:41:50.700
I hope, you know, this is sad to say.

900
00:41:51.700 --> 00:41:58.700
In the book of Ezekiel, it talks about an attempt

901
00:41:58.700 --> 00:42:02.700
by a five nation conglomerate that is going to seek

902
00:42:02.700 --> 00:42:04.700
to destroy Israel in the last days.

903
00:42:04.700 --> 00:42:07.700
And Persia is one of them.

904
00:42:07.700 --> 00:42:10.700
And the alliance of those nations, by the way,

905
00:42:10.700 --> 00:42:11.700
has never happened before.

906
00:42:11.700 --> 00:42:14.700
Never happened before in history, not even close.

907
00:42:14.700 --> 00:42:17.700
It's a future event.

908
00:42:18.700 --> 00:42:20.700
That means this piece deal with Trump.

909
00:42:20.700 --> 00:42:22.700
It's not going to last.

910
00:42:22.700 --> 00:42:25.700
In fact, what if it fails?

911
00:42:25.700 --> 00:42:28.700
Is it possible it could last for a period?

912
00:42:28.700 --> 00:42:29.700
Yes.

913
00:42:29.700 --> 00:42:30.700
Okay.

914
00:42:30.700 --> 00:42:31.700
I believe that.

915
00:42:31.700 --> 00:42:32.700
Yeah.

916
00:42:32.700 --> 00:42:34.700
We don't know when the end's coming, right?

917
00:42:34.700 --> 00:42:35.700
Yeah, we could.

918
00:42:35.700 --> 00:42:37.700
I personally believe, actually, I personally believe

919
00:42:37.700 --> 00:42:41.700
that it's going to be a short-lived piece, gig.

920
00:42:41.700 --> 00:42:42.700
And then something's going to happen.

921
00:42:42.700 --> 00:42:45.700
Change of leadership, change of who knows what.

922
00:42:45.700 --> 00:42:47.700
But we do know this.

923
00:42:47.700 --> 00:42:49.700
Daniel, chapter nine, verses 24 to 27,

924
00:42:49.700 --> 00:42:52.700
tells us that the Prince that shall come,

925
00:42:52.700 --> 00:42:53.700
a reference to the Antichrist,

926
00:42:53.700 --> 00:42:58.700
that he will secure a covenant of peace with Israel,

927
00:42:58.700 --> 00:42:59.700
with Daniel.

928
00:42:59.700 --> 00:43:00.700
It says Israel.

929
00:43:00.700 --> 00:43:01.700
I mean, it doesn't say Israel.

930
00:43:01.700 --> 00:43:06.700
It says, Daniel, your holy city and your holy people.

931
00:43:06.700 --> 00:43:10.700
Well, Daniel was a Jew.

932
00:43:10.700 --> 00:43:13.700
But he'll make a seven-year deal.

933
00:43:13.700 --> 00:43:16.700
But the Bible tells us three and a half years into the deal.

934
00:43:16.700 --> 00:43:19.700
He'll break that deal by what Antichrist's epiphanies did.

935
00:43:19.700 --> 00:43:20.700
Yes.

936
00:43:20.700 --> 00:43:21.700
Right.

937
00:43:21.700 --> 00:43:22.700
He offered a swine.

938
00:43:22.700 --> 00:43:23.700
Six, seven.

939
00:43:23.700 --> 00:43:24.700
Yeah, exactly.

940
00:43:24.700 --> 00:43:28.700
But yeah, we're going to get back to Charlie.

941
00:43:28.700 --> 00:43:29.700
We want to talk about Charlie.

942
00:43:29.700 --> 00:43:30.700
Well, that was fun.

943
00:43:30.700 --> 00:43:36.700
Charlie was, as I say, the guy had been waiting for for 30 years.

944
00:43:36.700 --> 00:43:41.700
And you know what Charlie also would say about Courage Jack?

945
00:43:42.700 --> 00:43:47.700
He loved the virtue of Courage because Courage doesn't take any skill.

946
00:43:47.700 --> 00:43:48.700
You just got to make it.

947
00:43:48.700 --> 00:43:49.700
Please say that again.

948
00:43:49.700 --> 00:43:51.700
Courage doesn't take any skill.

949
00:43:51.700 --> 00:43:52.700
You don't have to be gifted.

950
00:43:52.700 --> 00:43:56.700
You don't have to have a great amount of intelligence.

951
00:43:56.700 --> 00:43:58.700
All you got to do is make a decision.

952
00:43:58.700 --> 00:44:00.700
That's what Courage is.

953
00:44:00.700 --> 00:44:05.700
And as you know, Churchill and Aristotle before him said things like Courage

954
00:44:05.700 --> 00:44:09.700
is the first of all virtues because without it you won't do anything else.

955
00:44:10.700 --> 00:44:15.700
Now, we're on our way to UVU that morning in the car.

956
00:44:15.700 --> 00:44:19.700
Charlie gets footage on his phone of the crowd.

957
00:44:19.700 --> 00:44:21.700
He shows it to me.

958
00:44:21.700 --> 00:44:22.700
I'm looking at it.

959
00:44:22.700 --> 00:44:24.700
It's like an amphitheater.

960
00:44:24.700 --> 00:44:26.700
I literally know you're going.

961
00:44:26.700 --> 00:44:27.700
I literally said to him.

962
00:44:27.700 --> 00:44:28.700
I said Jack.

963
00:44:28.700 --> 00:44:29.700
You told me this.

964
00:44:29.700 --> 00:44:30.700
I don't like it.

965
00:44:30.700 --> 00:44:31.700
I said to him, Charlie.

966
00:44:31.700 --> 00:44:32.700
I don't like this place.

967
00:44:32.700 --> 00:44:33.700
There's too many buildings.

968
00:44:33.700 --> 00:44:37.700
And he just shrugged it off because he's brave.

969
00:44:37.700 --> 00:44:39.700
He's not going to call off the event.

970
00:44:39.700 --> 00:44:41.700
His security team was there.

971
00:44:41.700 --> 00:44:47.700
They had coverage from the Utah University Police

972
00:44:47.700 --> 00:44:54.700
and some of the Utah State Police that they had the roofs.

973
00:44:54.700 --> 00:45:00.700
After this happened, I saw from Dan Flood the text that said we got the roofs.

974
00:45:00.700 --> 00:45:04.700
And I've since had a conversation and I can't reveal it yet because...

975
00:45:04.700 --> 00:45:05.700
Understand.

976
00:45:05.700 --> 00:45:06.700
That's right.

977
00:45:06.700 --> 00:45:10.700
I have to give this guy an opportunity to say something else.

978
00:45:10.700 --> 00:45:17.700
But I talked to the head of the University Police when I was there

979
00:45:17.700 --> 00:45:21.700
at the end of March because I went back to UVU to speak.

980
00:45:21.700 --> 00:45:23.700
And he was there and he came up to me and we spoke.

981
00:45:23.700 --> 00:45:29.700
But I won't say what he said until I have a chance to further vet it out.

982
00:45:29.700 --> 00:45:34.700
But he was denying to a certain extent that he had responsibility for certain areas.

983
00:45:34.700 --> 00:45:38.700
And it just seemed to me that since Butler P.A.

984
00:45:38.700 --> 00:45:40.700
I mean, I'm just a guy.

985
00:45:40.700 --> 00:45:42.700
Yeah, I was in the Navy, but I'm just a guy.

986
00:45:42.700 --> 00:45:44.700
And I go, you're better.

987
00:45:44.700 --> 00:45:47.700
You got to have somebody up there, right?

988
00:45:47.700 --> 00:45:49.700
No.

989
00:45:49.700 --> 00:45:51.700
I'm sure he feels badly.

990
00:45:51.700 --> 00:45:52.700
Of course.

991
00:45:52.700 --> 00:45:56.700
But we'll reach out to him and talk to him more.

992
00:45:56.700 --> 00:46:01.700
And those are the human dramas that we have to cope with in the scope of God's sovereign hand.

993
00:46:01.700 --> 00:46:03.700
Yeah.

994
00:46:03.700 --> 00:46:06.700
Well, there's always a ripple effect, Jack, and everything that happens.

995
00:46:06.700 --> 00:46:08.700
There's always a ripple effect.

996
00:46:08.700 --> 00:46:12.700
At the memorial service, there were 75,000 people in the building.

997
00:46:12.700 --> 00:46:15.700
There were 30 or 40,000 people in the building next to us.

998
00:46:15.700 --> 00:46:18.700
There were 110 million people watching online.

999
00:46:18.700 --> 00:46:25.700
And last I heard as of November several months ago, 1.2 billion people saw some of that memorial service.

1000
00:46:25.700 --> 00:46:27.700
1.2 billion people.

1001
00:46:27.700 --> 00:46:35.700
It was the largest evangelistic event in history.

1002
00:46:35.700 --> 00:46:38.700
I still get emails from people saying I became a Christian because of Charlie Kirk.

1003
00:46:38.700 --> 00:46:39.700
I still get them.

1004
00:46:39.700 --> 00:46:41.700
It's eight months later.

1005
00:46:41.700 --> 00:46:44.700
I know Erica gets them.

1006
00:46:44.700 --> 00:46:47.700
It's a tsunami, not just a ripple.

1007
00:46:47.700 --> 00:46:49.700
There's been so much good that's come from it.

1008
00:46:49.700 --> 00:46:52.700
Now, there's also been a lot of evil that's come out of it.

1009
00:46:52.700 --> 00:46:55.700
I need to say this because there are...

1010
00:46:55.700 --> 00:46:56.700
God, evil out.

1011
00:46:56.700 --> 00:46:57.700
Yes.

1012
00:46:57.700 --> 00:46:58.700
It was there.

1013
00:46:58.700 --> 00:46:59.700
They came right out of the woodwork.

1014
00:46:59.700 --> 00:47:00.700
It was there.

1015
00:47:00.700 --> 00:47:01.700
It's the pus.

1016
00:47:01.700 --> 00:47:02.700
It's the infectious.

1017
00:47:02.700 --> 00:47:03.700
Yes.

1018
00:47:03.700 --> 00:47:04.700
Yes.

1019
00:47:04.700 --> 00:47:05.700
Loaded.

1020
00:47:05.700 --> 00:47:08.700
Look, as you well know, but this is for the viewers and listeners, Jack,

1021
00:47:08.700 --> 00:47:12.700
that Jesus and the apostles called Satan a murderer, liar, an accuser,

1022
00:47:12.700 --> 00:47:15.700
and slander who wants to steal, kill, and destroy.

1023
00:47:15.700 --> 00:47:16.700
All those things.

1024
00:47:16.700 --> 00:47:18.700
We had a murder on 910.

1025
00:47:18.700 --> 00:47:19.700
What have we had since then?

1026
00:47:19.700 --> 00:47:24.700
Lies, accusations, and slander seeking to steal, kill, and destroy.

1027
00:47:24.700 --> 00:47:25.700
Yeah.

1028
00:47:25.700 --> 00:47:27.700
And people don't believe in the demonic, Jack.

1029
00:47:27.700 --> 00:47:28.700
How could it be more obvious?

1030
00:47:28.700 --> 00:47:29.700
Yeah, exactly.

1031
00:47:29.700 --> 00:47:30.700
They're attacking a widow.

1032
00:47:30.700 --> 00:47:31.700
Right, and they don't care.

1033
00:47:31.700 --> 00:47:33.700
But widow.

1034
00:47:33.700 --> 00:47:39.700
Not only attacking a widow in her grief, an assassination, martyrdom.

1035
00:47:39.700 --> 00:47:43.700
I say that because so many of them claim to be Christians.

1036
00:47:43.700 --> 00:47:44.700
That's impossible.

1037
00:47:44.700 --> 00:47:45.700
Yeah.

1038
00:47:45.700 --> 00:47:46.700
They're...

1039
00:47:46.700 --> 00:47:47.700
Jack, don't judge.

1040
00:47:47.700 --> 00:47:48.700
No, no, no.

1041
00:47:48.700 --> 00:47:50.700
I am supposed to judge in the way of fruit inspectors.

1042
00:47:50.700 --> 00:47:51.700
That's right.

1043
00:47:51.700 --> 00:47:52.700
I know this.

1044
00:47:52.700 --> 00:47:55.700
The Holy Spirit who dwells within a Christian

1045
00:47:55.700 --> 00:47:58.700
would never allow those kinds of words or actions, you know.

1046
00:47:58.700 --> 00:48:01.700
He will not allow his kids to be like that.

1047
00:48:01.700 --> 00:48:03.700
Jack, let's just go back to the Old Testament for a second.

1048
00:48:03.700 --> 00:48:05.700
Exodus 22, 22, says,

1049
00:48:05.700 --> 00:48:10.700
anybody that abuses a widow or the fatherless, God says,

1050
00:48:10.700 --> 00:48:13.700
I will hunt you down with a sword and kill you.

1051
00:48:13.700 --> 00:48:15.700
That's what it says, Jack.

1052
00:48:15.700 --> 00:48:18.700
If they pray to me, I'm going to hunt the guy down

1053
00:48:18.700 --> 00:48:19.700
and kill him with the sword.

1054
00:48:19.700 --> 00:48:22.700
I can't just hear somebody say, that's why I don't read the old books.

1055
00:48:22.700 --> 00:48:25.700
But then you just reminded me in Revelation 19 and 20 years.

1056
00:48:25.700 --> 00:48:26.700
This is coming with a sword.

1057
00:48:26.700 --> 00:48:27.700
That's right.

1058
00:48:27.700 --> 00:48:28.700
It is mouth.

1059
00:48:28.700 --> 00:48:29.700
That's right.

1060
00:48:29.700 --> 00:48:32.700
And in Deuteronomy 19, it says this,

1061
00:48:32.700 --> 00:48:34.700
if you accuse someone of a crime, falsely,

1062
00:48:34.700 --> 00:48:38.700
and then you're found out, you get the penalty of the crime.

1063
00:48:38.700 --> 00:48:39.700
I love it.

1064
00:48:39.700 --> 00:48:45.700
So if you accuse someone of murder falsely and you're found out,

1065
00:48:45.700 --> 00:48:46.700
you get executed.

1066
00:48:46.700 --> 00:48:48.700
This would shut the internet down, Jack.

1067
00:48:48.700 --> 00:48:51.700
If we look on America, you would just shut it down.

1068
00:48:51.700 --> 00:48:54.700
And I just, you know, and you got to have two witnesses.

1069
00:48:54.700 --> 00:48:55.700
I mean, yes, that's right.

1070
00:48:55.700 --> 00:48:56.700
Look at the record show.

1071
00:48:56.700 --> 00:48:59.700
Hey, man, that needs, boy, that would shut, you're right.

1072
00:48:59.700 --> 00:49:01.700
People would straighten up real quick.

1073
00:49:01.700 --> 00:49:02.700
That's right.

1074
00:49:02.700 --> 00:49:05.700
People would keep their trash inside of them where it should stay.

1075
00:49:05.700 --> 00:49:07.700
But as the proverb says,

1076
00:49:07.700 --> 00:49:10.700
gossip goes down like choice morsels, Jack.

1077
00:49:10.700 --> 00:49:13.700
They love, they love the intimacy, the inside.

1078
00:49:13.700 --> 00:49:16.700
We've got inside knowledge that I don't know all where a club.

1079
00:49:16.700 --> 00:49:18.700
We're in a cult now.

1080
00:49:18.700 --> 00:49:19.700
Yeah.

1081
00:49:19.700 --> 00:49:22.700
In fact, the things that happened after you two,

1082
00:49:22.700 --> 00:49:26.700
the things that happened after Charlie's assassination,

1083
00:49:26.700 --> 00:49:29.700
I found out so many things about me,

1084
00:49:29.700 --> 00:49:30.700
about you.

1085
00:49:30.700 --> 00:49:32.700
I found out things about my dad.

1086
00:49:32.700 --> 00:49:33.700
Yeah.

1087
00:49:33.700 --> 00:49:36.700
My family, my family, my brother, you know.

1088
00:49:36.700 --> 00:49:37.700
What?

1089
00:49:37.700 --> 00:49:38.700
Your brother, what?

1090
00:49:38.700 --> 00:49:39.700
My brother.

1091
00:49:39.700 --> 00:49:40.700
Butch.

1092
00:49:40.700 --> 00:49:41.700
When we were thinking of pictures.

1093
00:49:41.700 --> 00:49:42.700
Yeah.

1094
00:49:42.700 --> 00:49:51.700
It turns out that right before Charlie was shot,

1095
00:49:51.700 --> 00:49:58.700
my brother was talking to a microphone or speaker that was in a bush.

1096
00:49:58.700 --> 00:49:59.700
Oh.

1097
00:49:59.700 --> 00:50:04.700
And so he was talking to some sort of military operative that they were,

1098
00:50:04.700 --> 00:50:07.700
you know, conspiring to take out Charlie.

1099
00:50:07.700 --> 00:50:11.700
Because it couldn't have been a person who had been indoctrinated

1100
00:50:11.700 --> 00:50:14.700
to cultural Marxism and transgenderism,

1101
00:50:14.700 --> 00:50:20.700
who was in a set that Charlie was speaking the truth and that he wrote

1102
00:50:20.700 --> 00:50:24.700
and eat this fascist on his bullet when he shot him,

1103
00:50:24.700 --> 00:50:26.700
that's just too simple.

1104
00:50:26.700 --> 00:50:31.700
There's got to be an integrated big conspiracy theory that this guy

1105
00:50:31.700 --> 00:50:33.700
was just a patsy of apparently.

1106
00:50:33.700 --> 00:50:34.700
Exactly right.

1107
00:50:34.700 --> 00:50:36.700
Now, if that were true, Jack, if that were true,

1108
00:50:36.700 --> 00:50:39.700
he's not really guilty, Tyler Robinson.

1109
00:50:39.700 --> 00:50:42.700
Do you think his parents would be screaming right now?

1110
00:50:42.700 --> 00:50:43.700
You got the wrong guy.

1111
00:50:43.700 --> 00:50:44.700
He's innocent.

1112
00:50:44.700 --> 00:50:45.700
They turned him in.

1113
00:50:45.700 --> 00:50:46.700
Don't you.

1114
00:50:46.700 --> 00:50:47.700
Exactly.

1115
00:50:47.700 --> 00:50:49.700
Don't you think he would be screaming right now?

1116
00:50:49.700 --> 00:50:51.700
I didn't do it.

1117
00:50:51.700 --> 00:50:53.700
I mean, this is just.

1118
00:50:53.700 --> 00:50:54.700
It's possible.

1119
00:50:54.700 --> 00:50:56.700
Anything's possible, Jack.

1120
00:50:56.700 --> 00:50:57.700
It's possible.

1121
00:50:57.700 --> 00:50:58.700
Aliens may have done it, Jack.

1122
00:50:58.700 --> 00:50:59.700
It's possible.

1123
00:50:59.700 --> 00:51:00.700
I need evidence though.

1124
00:51:00.700 --> 00:51:01.700
Yeah.

1125
00:51:01.700 --> 00:51:02.700
You need evidence.

1126
00:51:02.700 --> 00:51:04.700
No, I don't think aliens would do such a thing.

1127
00:51:04.700 --> 00:51:08.700
I think it would take a lib tart like that to do such a thing.

1128
00:51:08.700 --> 00:51:10.700
This is a person who's been indoctrinated.

1129
00:51:10.700 --> 00:51:12.700
The folks who say they're fighting for inclusion,

1130
00:51:12.700 --> 00:51:13.700
tolerance, and diversity, Jack.

1131
00:51:13.700 --> 00:51:15.700
100%. Those are the people who kill people.

1132
00:51:15.700 --> 00:51:16.700
They do. Okay.

1133
00:51:16.700 --> 00:51:17.700
They won't include you.

1134
00:51:17.700 --> 00:51:19.700
Won't tolerate you for holding diverse views.

1135
00:51:19.700 --> 00:51:21.700
They want to sit down and have a peace fest.

1136
00:51:21.700 --> 00:51:24.700
But it's spelled not with peace.

1137
00:51:24.700 --> 00:51:27.700
We can't tolerate the fact that you have a different view.

1138
00:51:27.700 --> 00:51:29.700
And so we're going to kill you.

1139
00:51:29.700 --> 00:51:32.700
This is what happens, Jack, when you don't have a way

1140
00:51:32.700 --> 00:51:35.700
to defend your worldview logically, you emote.

1141
00:51:35.700 --> 00:51:36.700
That's what happens.

1142
00:51:36.700 --> 00:51:37.700
You emote.

1143
00:51:37.700 --> 00:51:39.700
You emote that.

1144
00:51:39.700 --> 00:51:43.700
And people get frustrated and tragically.

1145
00:51:43.700 --> 00:51:46.700
Now look, Tyler Robinson's made the image of God.

1146
00:51:46.700 --> 00:51:48.700
He deserves a fair trial.

1147
00:51:48.700 --> 00:51:51.700
He deserves presumption of innocence.

1148
00:51:51.700 --> 00:51:55.700
But given the evidence that we have seen, if it's true,

1149
00:51:55.700 --> 00:51:57.700
it sure appears he's guilty.

1150
00:51:57.700 --> 00:51:58.700
I hope he repents.

1151
00:51:58.700 --> 00:52:00.700
And then he's executed.

1152
00:52:00.700 --> 00:52:01.700
Because that's what he deserves.

1153
00:52:01.700 --> 00:52:02.700
Absolutely.

1154
00:52:02.700 --> 00:52:04.700
You said something key.

1155
00:52:04.700 --> 00:52:10.700
He executed.

1156
00:52:10.700 --> 00:52:13.700
The people who are against capital punishment

1157
00:52:13.700 --> 00:52:16.700
are also the ones who are letting people out of prison.

1158
00:52:16.700 --> 00:52:17.700
Yes.

1159
00:52:17.700 --> 00:52:19.700
Who go right back to killing people.

1160
00:52:19.700 --> 00:52:21.700
But excuse me, we're in California, I can say that.

1161
00:52:21.700 --> 00:52:24.700
They are for capital punishment on the innocent, the unborn.

1162
00:52:24.700 --> 00:52:27.700
They will murder a baby in the womb.

1163
00:52:27.700 --> 00:52:29.700
And it's a virtue.

1164
00:52:29.700 --> 00:52:31.700
It's a sacrament.

1165
00:52:31.700 --> 00:52:32.700
It's a sacrament.

1166
00:52:32.700 --> 00:52:33.700
This is my body.

1167
00:52:33.700 --> 00:52:34.700
Yeah.

1168
00:52:34.700 --> 00:52:35.700
Yeah.

1169
00:52:35.700 --> 00:52:37.700
They're mimicking the words of our Lord.

1170
00:52:37.700 --> 00:52:38.700
The communion.

1171
00:52:38.700 --> 00:52:39.700
This is my body.

1172
00:52:39.700 --> 00:52:40.700
Yeah.

1173
00:52:40.700 --> 00:52:41.700
Which is not, which is hilarious.

1174
00:52:41.700 --> 00:52:42.700
Right.

1175
00:52:42.700 --> 00:52:45.700
Our friend Dennis Prager did one of the greatest videos years ago

1176
00:52:45.700 --> 00:52:52.700
on why a baby is not your body.

1177
00:52:52.700 --> 00:52:55.700
And he walks through a complete separate DNA.

1178
00:52:55.700 --> 00:52:56.700
Sure.

1179
00:52:56.700 --> 00:52:58.700
A complete separate identity.

1180
00:52:58.700 --> 00:52:59.700
A different gender.

1181
00:52:59.700 --> 00:53:00.700
Completely different gender.

1182
00:53:00.700 --> 00:53:02.700
How's inside of another human?

1183
00:53:02.700 --> 00:53:03.700
Yeah.

1184
00:53:03.700 --> 00:53:04.700
It's a miracle.

1185
00:53:04.700 --> 00:53:05.700
It's a miracle.

1186
00:53:05.700 --> 00:53:07.700
But attack.

1187
00:53:07.700 --> 00:53:10.700
People don't understand the pro-life position.

1188
00:53:10.700 --> 00:53:15.700
We're talking about pro-life for the innocent.

1189
00:53:15.700 --> 00:53:20.700
It's different in capital punishment because you're punishing a guilty person.

1190
00:53:20.700 --> 00:53:21.700
If there's no violation.

1191
00:53:21.700 --> 00:53:22.700
There's no violation.

1192
00:53:22.700 --> 00:53:23.700
No, I know.

1193
00:53:23.700 --> 00:53:25.700
And Jesus affirms capital punishment.

1194
00:53:25.700 --> 00:53:26.700
Absolutely.

1195
00:53:26.700 --> 00:53:28.700
Pilate says, don't you know I have the authority to kill you?

1196
00:53:28.700 --> 00:53:29.700
Jesus doesn't say no.

1197
00:53:29.700 --> 00:53:30.700
Jesus says, yes, you do.

1198
00:53:30.700 --> 00:53:31.700
But you get the authority from above.

1199
00:53:31.700 --> 00:53:32.700
Exactly.

1200
00:53:32.700 --> 00:53:33.700
For God-established government.

1201
00:53:33.700 --> 00:53:34.700
Exactly that.

1202
00:53:34.700 --> 00:53:37.700
And that's why God, that's why the ruler bears the sword.

1203
00:53:37.700 --> 00:53:39.700
It's a reference to capital punishment.

1204
00:53:39.700 --> 00:53:43.700
So if nobody's responding to this podcast yet, this again.

1205
00:53:43.700 --> 00:53:46.700
Jesus said in Luke chapter 22,

1206
00:53:46.700 --> 00:53:48.700
remember when I first sent you guys out,

1207
00:53:48.700 --> 00:53:52.700
I told you don't take anything on the missionary venture that I was,

1208
00:53:52.700 --> 00:53:55.700
okay, well now that I'm leaving,

1209
00:53:55.700 --> 00:53:57.700
I'm sending you guys out.

1210
00:53:57.700 --> 00:54:02.700
But this time you need to take your jacket with you this time.

1211
00:54:02.700 --> 00:54:06.700
And you need to take what you,

1212
00:54:06.700 --> 00:54:09.700
you need to take, forget what he said.

1213
00:54:09.700 --> 00:54:10.700
I'm sure you don't.

1214
00:54:10.700 --> 00:54:15.700
He said, you need to sell, you know, sell, sell some bananas and get,

1215
00:54:15.700 --> 00:54:18.700
he said get two swords.

1216
00:54:18.700 --> 00:54:20.700
That should be enough.

1217
00:54:20.700 --> 00:54:21.700
All right.

1218
00:54:21.700 --> 00:54:22.700
Why too?

1219
00:54:22.700 --> 00:54:24.700
If you drop one, you're going to need the other one.

1220
00:54:24.700 --> 00:54:26.700
People don't, most Christians don't even know that.

1221
00:54:26.700 --> 00:54:29.700
Jesus said, you need to own a gun.

1222
00:54:29.700 --> 00:54:31.700
I mean, you need self defense,

1223
00:54:31.700 --> 00:54:32.700
self defense.

1224
00:54:32.700 --> 00:54:38.700
By the way, our founding fathers used that law of natural law

1225
00:54:38.700 --> 00:54:40.700
to establish the second amendment.

1226
00:54:40.700 --> 00:54:41.700
Yes.

1227
00:54:41.700 --> 00:54:43.700
The second amendment was not invented by the NRA.

1228
00:54:43.700 --> 00:54:44.700
Of course not.

1229
00:54:44.700 --> 00:54:46.700
The second amendment, our founding fathers said,

1230
00:54:46.700 --> 00:54:48.700
okay, we learned something here.

1231
00:54:48.700 --> 00:54:49.700
We know this.

1232
00:54:49.700 --> 00:54:51.700
We can write up any constitution you want.

1233
00:54:51.700 --> 00:54:53.700
But we got to do this.

1234
00:54:53.700 --> 00:54:56.700
One and two are of natural law,

1235
00:54:56.700 --> 00:54:58.700
which we could, we could make laws against it.

1236
00:54:58.700 --> 00:55:00.700
Nobody will obey it.

1237
00:55:00.700 --> 00:55:02.700
Because a man will speak his mind

1238
00:55:02.700 --> 00:55:05.700
and a man will defend himself.

1239
00:55:05.700 --> 00:55:08.700
So one will be, you can talk all you want,

1240
00:55:08.700 --> 00:55:10.700
two will be, you can defend yourself.

1241
00:55:10.700 --> 00:55:13.700
And imagine if Iran had a second amendment.

1242
00:55:13.700 --> 00:55:15.700
Wow.

1243
00:55:15.700 --> 00:55:17.700
Wow, you know what?

1244
00:55:17.700 --> 00:55:20.700
The Iranian, the Persian, I like to call them Persian.

1245
00:55:20.700 --> 00:55:25.700
The Persian people, they don't have that.

1246
00:55:25.700 --> 00:55:28.700
They can't defend themselves against a despotic government.

1247
00:55:28.700 --> 00:55:30.700
But they're wanting, they're,

1248
00:55:30.700 --> 00:55:32.700
how many have been killed?

1249
00:55:32.700 --> 00:55:33.700
What did?

1250
00:55:33.700 --> 00:55:34.700
Well, 35 or 40,000.

1251
00:55:34.700 --> 00:55:36.700
30 to 40 plus thousand dead

1252
00:55:36.700 --> 00:55:38.700
because they spoke their minds.

1253
00:55:38.700 --> 00:55:41.700
Wow, think about it.

1254
00:55:41.700 --> 00:55:44.700
This proves Jefferson and Adams

1255
00:55:44.700 --> 00:55:47.700
and proves what they said.

1256
00:55:47.700 --> 00:55:49.700
People will speak their minds,

1257
00:55:49.700 --> 00:55:50.700
even if it costs them their lives.

1258
00:55:50.700 --> 00:55:52.700
Because the first amendment recognizes

1259
00:55:52.700 --> 00:55:55.700
God's natural law that man will speak.

1260
00:55:55.700 --> 00:55:57.700
Wow.

1261
00:55:57.700 --> 00:55:59.700
Well, hopefully, we'll speak.

1262
00:55:59.700 --> 00:56:03.700
Those people were speaking for their freedom.

1263
00:56:03.700 --> 00:56:06.700
We have freedom and we won't speak up to defend it.

1264
00:56:06.700 --> 00:56:10.700
Well, that's why we're losing it to Islamic candidates

1265
00:56:10.700 --> 00:56:13.700
sweeping across the US at this time.

1266
00:56:13.700 --> 00:56:15.700
Did you ever think that under Trump's administration

1267
00:56:15.700 --> 00:56:17.700
and all the tremendous mega

1268
00:56:17.700 --> 00:56:20.700
and all the WAP flag waving

1269
00:56:20.700 --> 00:56:23.700
in a post 9-11, 2001 world,

1270
00:56:23.700 --> 00:56:27.700
again, getting back to how the Muslim mind thinks,

1271
00:56:27.700 --> 00:56:30.700
that we would see them getting victories in Russia.

1272
00:56:30.700 --> 00:56:33.700
Yes, because 40 million Christians don't vote.

1273
00:56:33.700 --> 00:56:34.700
That's why.

1274
00:56:34.700 --> 00:56:35.700
Thank you for saying that.

1275
00:56:35.700 --> 00:56:36.700
40 million don't vote.

1276
00:56:36.700 --> 00:56:39.700
They gripe, they moan, they complain,

1277
00:56:39.700 --> 00:56:42.700
but they don't get off their spectator.

1278
00:56:42.700 --> 00:56:45.700
I guess they think that only atheists are qualified

1279
00:56:45.700 --> 00:56:46.700
to run the country.

1280
00:56:46.700 --> 00:56:47.700
Where do they get that from?

1281
00:56:47.700 --> 00:56:50.700
By that, they're endorsing evil.

1282
00:56:50.700 --> 00:56:52.700
Silence is approval.

1283
00:56:52.700 --> 00:56:56.700
They're different than Germans during the time of Hitler.

1284
00:56:56.700 --> 00:57:00.700
Apathetic Christians are what's wrong with Christianity today.

1285
00:57:00.700 --> 00:57:01.700
Totally.

1286
00:57:01.700 --> 00:57:03.700
Jack, I say this to audiences all the time.

1287
00:57:03.700 --> 00:57:06.700
Do you think that Christians back in the 1800s

1288
00:57:06.700 --> 00:57:09.700
should have gotten politically involved

1289
00:57:09.700 --> 00:57:11.700
to eradicate slavery and free the slaves?

1290
00:57:11.700 --> 00:57:14.700
Everyone would go, yes, of course.

1291
00:57:14.700 --> 00:57:16.700
Welcome to politics, ladies and gentlemen.

1292
00:57:16.700 --> 00:57:17.700
It's right.

1293
00:57:17.700 --> 00:57:19.700
So why is it any different now?

1294
00:57:19.700 --> 00:57:20.700
That's right.

1295
00:57:20.700 --> 00:57:21.700
Why is it any different now?

1296
00:57:21.700 --> 00:57:24.700
In fact, I'm going through, I'm not saying,

1297
00:57:24.700 --> 00:57:29.700
this is, because this is an election year.

1298
00:57:29.700 --> 00:57:30.700
Yes.

1299
00:57:30.700 --> 00:57:33.700
So I'm getting all kinds of questions or all kinds of challenges.

1300
00:57:33.700 --> 00:57:38.700
And so I answered what you just, exactly how you just answered.

1301
00:57:38.700 --> 00:57:41.700
And of course, Jesus saying, whose coin is this?

1302
00:57:41.700 --> 00:57:44.700
It's a political statement Jesus made, by the way.

1303
00:57:44.700 --> 00:57:46.700
You can look at all these things.

1304
00:57:46.700 --> 00:57:49.700
I'm really hard pressed.

1305
00:57:49.700 --> 00:57:50.700
I'm open.

1306
00:57:50.700 --> 00:57:52.700
I'm open to being wrong on this.

1307
00:57:52.700 --> 00:57:57.700
But so far, everything is trending from Genesis to Revelation.

1308
00:57:57.700 --> 00:58:02.700
The inseparable reality between faith and politics.

1309
00:58:02.700 --> 00:58:04.700
God established government.

1310
00:58:04.700 --> 00:58:06.700
Throughout the entire TV Scripture.

1311
00:58:06.700 --> 00:58:09.700
It's political from Genesis to maps, Jack.

1312
00:58:09.700 --> 00:58:11.700
Genesis to all the way.

1313
00:58:11.700 --> 00:58:12.700
It's political.

1314
00:58:12.700 --> 00:58:13.700
It is.

1315
00:58:13.700 --> 00:58:14.700
All these prophets.

1316
00:58:14.700 --> 00:58:17.700
But a shallow Christian, Frank, cannot handle that.

1317
00:58:17.700 --> 00:58:18.700
They just like, yeah.

1318
00:58:18.700 --> 00:58:19.700
Why?

1319
00:58:19.700 --> 00:58:24.700
Because they've not been equipped by pastors to train them as disciples

1320
00:58:24.700 --> 00:58:28.700
to go out on Sunday afternoon and show up in Monday morning at work

1321
00:58:28.700 --> 00:58:30.700
or wherever they're at, and to be able to say,

1322
00:58:30.700 --> 00:58:33.700
hey, Jesus Christ died for your sins and rose again from the dead,

1323
00:58:33.700 --> 00:58:35.700
fulfilling Bible prophecy.

1324
00:58:35.700 --> 00:58:38.700
And God also said that when the righteous are empowered,

1325
00:58:38.700 --> 00:58:40.700
the people rejoice, but when the wicked are in authority,

1326
00:58:40.700 --> 00:58:41.700
the people grow.

1327
00:58:41.700 --> 00:58:42.700
And it says, love your neighbor.

1328
00:58:42.700 --> 00:58:45.700
How do you love your neighbor if you're allowing them to be hurt

1329
00:58:45.700 --> 00:58:46.700
by bad laws?

1330
00:58:46.700 --> 00:58:47.700
By bad laws?

1331
00:58:47.700 --> 00:58:49.700
When you have the opportunity to protect them from bad laws.

1332
00:58:49.700 --> 00:58:50.700
That's right.

1333
00:58:50.700 --> 00:58:52.700
Why are you not taking that opportunity?

1334
00:58:52.700 --> 00:58:55.700
Because they are so spiritual, Frank,

1335
00:58:55.700 --> 00:58:58.700
they would never dirty their hands and get it involved

1336
00:58:58.700 --> 00:59:00.700
in that dark and nasty world.

1337
00:59:01.700 --> 00:59:03.700
Yet Paul wanted to go see Caesar.

1338
00:59:03.700 --> 00:59:04.700
Exactly.

1339
00:59:04.700 --> 00:59:05.700
He used his power.

1340
00:59:05.700 --> 00:59:06.700
Yes.

1341
00:59:06.700 --> 00:59:07.700
Citizenship.

1342
00:59:07.700 --> 00:59:09.700
He leveraged it to get a court with Caesar.

1343
00:59:09.700 --> 00:59:15.700
And he told Felix so many unnerving things to Felix.

1344
00:59:15.700 --> 00:59:17.700
He went after Felix on a moral level.

1345
00:59:17.700 --> 00:59:18.700
Yes, he did.

1346
00:59:18.700 --> 00:59:19.700
He was a governor there.

1347
00:59:19.700 --> 00:59:20.700
Yeah.

1348
00:59:20.700 --> 00:59:21.700
That Felix said, go away.

1349
00:59:21.700 --> 00:59:22.700
I don't want to talk to you.

1350
00:59:22.700 --> 00:59:23.700
Later.

1351
00:59:23.700 --> 00:59:24.700
Yeah, later.

1352
00:59:24.700 --> 00:59:25.700
Tomorrow.

1353
00:59:25.700 --> 00:59:26.700
And he kept bringing him Paul back,

1354
00:59:26.700 --> 00:59:28.700
because he wanted Paul to give him a bribe,

1355
00:59:28.700 --> 00:59:29.700
and he wouldn't do it.

1356
00:59:29.700 --> 00:59:30.700
Yes.

1357
00:59:30.700 --> 00:59:31.700
Yeah.

1358
00:59:31.700 --> 00:59:39.700
So Paul was trying to influence the top leaders of the Roman Empire.

1359
00:59:39.700 --> 00:59:42.700
To prove your point, what does the book of Acts say?

1360
00:59:42.700 --> 00:59:43.700
Later on.

1361
00:59:45.700 --> 00:59:46.700
Acts.

1362
00:59:46.700 --> 00:59:49.700
A couple of epistles which escaped me.

1363
00:59:49.700 --> 00:59:50.700
Maybe you'll know.

1364
00:59:50.700 --> 00:59:53.700
Where Grete.

1365
00:59:53.700 --> 00:59:55.700
I might be Romans.

1366
00:59:55.700 --> 00:59:56.700
Oh, the end of Romans.

1367
00:59:56.700 --> 00:59:57.700
Grete Rufus.

1368
00:59:57.700 --> 00:59:58.700
I should know this.

1369
00:59:58.700 --> 01:00:02.700
Grete those guys who are of Caesar's household.

1370
01:00:02.700 --> 01:00:03.700
That's right.

1371
01:00:03.700 --> 01:00:05.700
Caesar's household.

1372
01:00:05.700 --> 01:00:06.700
Oh my gosh.

1373
01:00:06.700 --> 01:00:07.700
Caesar's at the table.

1374
01:00:07.700 --> 01:00:08.700
I roll the world.

1375
01:00:08.700 --> 01:00:10.700
And there's some kid down at the end going.

1376
01:00:10.700 --> 01:00:13.700
It's not all of them.

1377
01:00:13.700 --> 01:00:14.700
Oh, it's amazing.

1378
01:00:14.700 --> 01:00:15.700
Hey, wait.

1379
01:00:15.700 --> 01:00:18.700
I hope we got a few more minutes.

1380
01:00:18.700 --> 01:00:21.700
I got to say this about that day 910,

1381
01:00:21.700 --> 01:00:25.700
because it's important for everybody watching,

1382
01:00:25.700 --> 01:00:33.700
who loved Charlie and TP USA.

1383
01:00:33.700 --> 01:00:38.700
We got to the hospital somewhere around 1230.

1384
01:00:38.700 --> 01:00:39.700
He was shot, right?

1385
01:00:39.700 --> 01:00:40.700
Like maybe 1220.

1386
01:00:40.700 --> 01:00:42.700
It took us like 10 minutes to get there.

1387
01:00:42.700 --> 01:00:43.700
Maybe 15.

1388
01:00:43.700 --> 01:00:46.700
We had no.

1389
01:00:46.700 --> 01:00:47.700
This is an SUV.

1390
01:00:47.700 --> 01:00:48.700
We had no lights.

1391
01:00:48.700 --> 01:00:49.700
We were just screaming.

1392
01:00:49.700 --> 01:00:50.700
Saw that.

1393
01:00:50.700 --> 01:00:51.700
Yeah.

1394
01:00:51.700 --> 01:00:53.700
We get there.

1395
01:00:53.700 --> 01:00:57.700
Mikey had already sent a plane to get Erica.

1396
01:00:57.700 --> 01:00:58.700
Right.

1397
01:00:58.700 --> 01:01:00.700
And she got there.

1398
01:01:00.700 --> 01:01:04.700
I want to say about three o'clock.

1399
01:01:04.700 --> 01:01:08.700
Talk to the doctor.

1400
01:01:08.700 --> 01:01:13.700
Went up and had private time with Charlie's body, you know.

1401
01:01:13.700 --> 01:01:16.700
It's about 530.

1402
01:01:16.700 --> 01:01:20.700
I'm about the only one in emergency room area.

1403
01:01:20.700 --> 01:01:21.700
Just standing there.

1404
01:01:21.700 --> 01:01:25.700
I'm in scrubs because your clothes were yet.

1405
01:01:25.700 --> 01:01:26.700
I didn't want her to see any of that.

1406
01:01:26.700 --> 01:01:28.700
No way.

1407
01:01:28.700 --> 01:01:33.700
So they come down from being with Charlie.

1408
01:01:33.700 --> 01:01:34.700
Erica sees me.

1409
01:01:34.700 --> 01:01:36.700
I see her.

1410
01:01:36.700 --> 01:01:37.700
She's a mess as you can imagine.

1411
01:01:37.700 --> 01:01:38.700
Of course.

1412
01:01:38.700 --> 01:01:39.700
She's crying.

1413
01:01:39.700 --> 01:01:40.700
I'm crying.

1414
01:01:40.700 --> 01:01:41.700
It comes up to me.

1415
01:01:41.700 --> 01:01:44.700
We hug and she says this.

1416
01:01:44.700 --> 01:01:46.700
He loved you.

1417
01:01:46.700 --> 01:01:49.700
He was doing what he wanted to do.

1418
01:01:49.700 --> 01:01:54.700
He said, please don't let his legacy die.

1419
01:01:54.700 --> 01:02:01.700
So I'm trying to do whatever I can do to make sure his legacy continues.

1420
01:02:01.700 --> 01:02:06.700
And we need people out there to do the same.

1421
01:02:06.700 --> 01:02:09.700
Nobody's going to replace Charlie is one of a kind.

1422
01:02:09.700 --> 01:02:11.700
Well said, we need people to do the same.

1423
01:02:11.700 --> 01:02:13.700
So we are Charlie Kirk.

1424
01:02:13.700 --> 01:02:16.700
Remember, we are Charlie Kirk.

1425
01:02:16.700 --> 01:02:20.700
Paul said it this way, emulate me as I emulate Christ.

1426
01:02:20.700 --> 01:02:22.700
We're not saying Charlie was perfect.

1427
01:02:22.700 --> 01:02:23.700
We're not saying that.

1428
01:02:23.700 --> 01:02:25.700
But he had such good qualities.

1429
01:02:25.700 --> 01:02:28.700
The good qualities where he was following Jesus.

1430
01:02:28.700 --> 01:02:30.700
Let's emulate those.

1431
01:02:30.700 --> 01:02:32.700
Charlie was not perfect.

1432
01:02:32.700 --> 01:02:35.700
But I must say this.

1433
01:02:35.700 --> 01:02:41.700
I say that based on the relative scripture.

1434
01:02:41.700 --> 01:02:46.700
I honestly, I'm trying to remember if I heard him say something wrong.

1435
01:02:46.700 --> 01:02:49.700
I'm trying to remember if he said something rude to somebody.

1436
01:02:49.700 --> 01:02:55.700
I cannot remember if Charlie was short or in a bad mood.

1437
01:02:55.700 --> 01:03:00.700
I don't remember Charlie ever hurting someone's feelings.

1438
01:03:00.700 --> 01:03:03.700
Of course, he was not perfect.

1439
01:03:03.700 --> 01:03:06.700
But I've never seen him fluff up.

1440
01:03:06.700 --> 01:03:10.700
And I've never seen any of that out of Erika either.

1441
01:03:10.700 --> 01:03:20.700
And she has taken the most heat and has to live with the worst event imaginable.

1442
01:03:20.700 --> 01:03:27.700
And she forgives Tyler Robinson at the memorial service only nine days later.

1443
01:03:27.700 --> 01:03:29.700
She's a superhero.

1444
01:03:29.700 --> 01:03:31.700
Only in Christ can that happen.

1445
01:03:31.700 --> 01:03:39.700
You know, God will systematically in this life or the life to come judge accordingly.

1446
01:03:39.700 --> 01:03:41.700
He's the perfect judge.

1447
01:03:41.700 --> 01:03:44.700
People need to realize that no one's getting away with anything.

1448
01:03:44.700 --> 01:03:51.700
Instead of resting everything on that reality.

1449
01:03:51.700 --> 01:03:57.700
There are people who just won't stop talking about all the dynamics and all the conspiracies and all of this.

1450
01:03:57.700 --> 01:04:00.700
And I know something nobody else knows and all this.

1451
01:04:00.700 --> 01:04:05.700
They just keep going and little do they know they're actually.

1452
01:04:05.700 --> 01:04:11.700
They are actually ripening themselves for the day of judgment.

1453
01:04:11.700 --> 01:04:13.700
Scripture talks about this.

1454
01:04:13.700 --> 01:04:15.700
They are gainsayers.

1455
01:04:15.700 --> 01:04:17.700
They're heady.

1456
01:04:17.700 --> 01:04:24.700
The Bible says they're headstrong, slanderous, unloving, unthankful, unholy.

1457
01:04:24.700 --> 01:04:25.700
Second Timothy 3.

1458
01:04:25.700 --> 01:04:27.700
Yes.

1459
01:04:27.700 --> 01:04:33.700
And best for us in life to leave it in the hands of God.

1460
01:04:33.700 --> 01:04:45.700
Best for us to rest where Frank who was with Charlie in many ways times.

1461
01:04:45.700 --> 01:04:51.700
But there at his last breath.

1462
01:04:51.700 --> 01:04:53.700
You have to leave things with God.

1463
01:04:53.700 --> 01:05:02.700
Instead of conjuring up ideas and crazy things that should be thoughts that are put under the captivity of Christ.

1464
01:05:02.700 --> 01:05:07.700
Things that the professing world I don't think I've heard from.

1465
01:05:07.700 --> 01:05:13.700
But those who say their Christians have spewed the most demonic things.

1466
01:05:13.700 --> 01:05:15.700
The world has shown more respect.

1467
01:05:15.700 --> 01:05:17.700
What are these accusations in slander?

1468
01:05:17.700 --> 01:05:23.700
Lies, accusations in slander against a widow.

1469
01:05:23.700 --> 01:05:29.700
Because there's in her husband's organization, his legacy.

1470
01:05:29.700 --> 01:05:33.700
I do believe, I don't know, you do as well.

1471
01:05:33.700 --> 01:05:39.700
But I do believe that those manifestations that went so very public or of demonic origin.

1472
01:05:39.700 --> 01:05:47.700
But people have to lend themselves to be open to being used by such dark powers.

1473
01:05:47.700 --> 01:05:55.700
So look, I want to thank you for loving Charlie.

1474
01:05:55.700 --> 01:05:57.700
You did too, Jack.

1475
01:05:57.700 --> 01:05:59.700
Charlie was so easy to love.

1476
01:05:59.700 --> 01:06:03.700
I mean, come on, it's not like I had to work at it.

1477
01:06:03.700 --> 01:06:11.700
But supporting him and Erica now into the future, we have to do what we can do.

1478
01:06:11.700 --> 01:06:15.700
Not that any organization is perfect or any person, that's not the point.

1479
01:06:15.700 --> 01:06:17.700
And blessing often means correction.

1480
01:06:17.700 --> 01:06:19.700
That's right.

1481
01:06:19.700 --> 01:06:21.700
We said earlier.

1482
01:06:21.700 --> 01:06:27.700
People don't understand Erica was established long before she met Charlie.

1483
01:06:27.700 --> 01:06:31.700
Miss Arizona, CEO of two companies.

1484
01:06:31.700 --> 01:06:33.700
But very sharp.

1485
01:06:33.700 --> 01:06:37.700
And she reminds me a lot of my wife.

1486
01:06:37.700 --> 01:06:43.700
I mean, she is someone that doesn't get super emotional.

1487
01:06:43.700 --> 01:06:47.700
And she knows the facts and she focuses.

1488
01:06:47.700 --> 01:06:49.700
Are you talking about my wife?

1489
01:06:49.700 --> 01:06:51.700
All of our wives.

1490
01:06:51.700 --> 01:06:53.700
Notice your wife and my wife and Erica.

1491
01:06:53.700 --> 01:06:55.700
Very similar.

1492
01:06:55.700 --> 01:06:59.700
Not because God gave us that because they're married to crazy people.

1493
01:06:59.700 --> 01:07:01.700
That's right.

1494
01:07:01.700 --> 01:07:03.700
Oh, man.

1495
01:07:03.700 --> 01:07:05.700
So, no, it's true, Ellie, Jack.

1496
01:07:05.700 --> 01:07:07.700
I mean, Erica is just focused.

1497
01:07:07.700 --> 01:07:13.700
I mean, she's as tragic and as how much pain she's in.

1498
01:07:13.700 --> 01:07:17.700
She somehow gets up every morning and presses on.

1499
01:07:17.700 --> 01:07:23.700
She's not a mess.

1500
01:07:23.700 --> 01:07:25.700
Amazing.

1501
01:07:25.700 --> 01:07:29.700
Well, I'm not going to shake your hand because that's very formal.

1502
01:07:29.700 --> 01:07:31.700
I love you, we're friends.

1503
01:07:31.700 --> 01:07:33.700
We've been friends for a long time, brother.

1504
01:07:33.700 --> 01:07:35.700
Be friends to the end.

1505
01:07:35.700 --> 01:07:37.700
Your brother in arms.

1506
01:07:37.700 --> 01:07:39.700
And a brother in truth.

1507
01:07:39.700 --> 01:07:43.700
And thank you for being the tip of the spear among pastors.

1508
01:07:43.700 --> 01:07:45.700
Because we need more pastors to wake up, Jack.

1509
01:07:45.700 --> 01:07:47.700
We hope it happens.

1510
01:07:47.700 --> 01:07:51.700
24-7, 365, 360 degrees.

1511
01:07:51.700 --> 01:07:55.700
What area of life does Jesus not control?

1512
01:07:55.700 --> 01:07:57.700
Every area.

1513
01:07:57.700 --> 01:07:59.700
You should be following Jesus everywhere.

1514
01:07:59.700 --> 01:08:01.700
Amen.

1515
01:08:01.700 --> 01:08:03.700
Amen.

1516
01:08:07.700 --> 01:08:11.700
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