WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.820 Real life presents the Jack Kib's podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.820 --> 00:00:10.540 truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Everybody what's coming up in 3 00:00:10.540 --> 00:00:13.800 this podcast is we're going to finish off looking at the pre-tribulation 4 00:00:13.800 --> 00:00:18.980 rapture view. We are going to dive into the mid-tribulation rapture view and the 5 00:00:18.980 --> 00:00:24.620 post-tribulation rapture view. So get your bibles ready, let's get into this. 6 00:00:25.620 --> 00:00:32.540 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackkibs.com slash podcast. 7 00:00:32.540 --> 00:00:37.900 Today if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled 8 00:00:37.900 --> 00:00:42.780 life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us 9 00:00:42.780 --> 00:00:48.340 that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. 10 00:00:48.340 --> 00:00:53.700 Now open your hearts to what God's Word has to say to you. Here is Jack Kibs. 11 00:00:55.460 --> 00:01:02.020 Listen, we are here looking at your questions predominantly on the rapture. 12 00:01:02.020 --> 00:01:07.380 This is our third podcast on this topic. We covered some of it's for you to do 13 00:01:07.380 --> 00:01:13.200 the rest of the work. Some of the scriptures regarding the pre-tribulation 14 00:01:13.200 --> 00:01:18.380 rapture view, how it's literal. The other views are not. It allows scripture to 15 00:01:18.380 --> 00:01:24.260 build upon scripture. The other ones do not. You take the Bible at first face 16 00:01:24.260 --> 00:01:29.780 value as given. The other ones do not. But let's look at the other ones. We're 17 00:01:29.780 --> 00:01:34.500 going to reduce it down right now basically to these two. The mid-tribulation 18 00:01:34.500 --> 00:01:40.580 rapture view or what is sometimes known or can be known as the pre-wrath view. 19 00:01:40.580 --> 00:01:48.020 And then also the post-tribulation rapture view. So the answers I'm going to be 20 00:01:48.020 --> 00:01:53.660 giving you will certainly apply to either view. But let's start with this. Let's 21 00:01:53.660 --> 00:02:03.060 define the best we can. The mid or pre-tribulation wrath view. It's this. That the 22 00:02:03.060 --> 00:02:11.380 church sees the Antichrist come on the scene. The church is basically prospering 23 00:02:11.380 --> 00:02:18.740 with the rest of the world based on Daniel 9 verses 24 to 27. And other portions 24 00:02:18.740 --> 00:02:23.620 in the book of Daniel chapter 8 where the Antichrist, the beast that is to come, 25 00:02:23.620 --> 00:02:27.340 deceives the world with peace and prosperity. And the first three and a half years 26 00:02:27.340 --> 00:02:33.340 the church is doing okay. It must endure its normal hardships, but it's doing 27 00:02:33.340 --> 00:02:38.860 pretty good. And so the first three and a half years or the Bible puts it, the 28 00:02:38.860 --> 00:02:48.620 first 1,260 days or the Bible also puts it as the first 42 months. That everything's 29 00:02:48.620 --> 00:02:57.260 pretty much okay. So it's not the tribulation as such. The great tribulations, the last 30 00:02:57.260 --> 00:03:05.300 half of that, the other 42 months, the other 1,260 days, the other three and a half years. 31 00:03:05.300 --> 00:03:11.500 And remember, class from before the last three and a half years combined with the first 32 00:03:11.500 --> 00:03:19.380 three and a half years is based on a Babylonian calendar, 360 day years, 360 day year. I should 33 00:03:19.380 --> 00:03:28.020 say to a biblical year from Genesis to Revelation, that stays the same. So the mid or wrath 34 00:03:28.020 --> 00:03:33.700 people or the pre-rath people, they've got it this way where they view the wrath happening 35 00:03:33.780 --> 00:03:40.500 in the last half so the church is okay. And so you say, well, what's wrong with that? Everything's 36 00:03:40.500 --> 00:03:46.340 wrong with it. Here's the reason why. The seven years has promised the nation and to the people 37 00:03:46.340 --> 00:03:53.380 of Israel, not the church. It completely messes up, John chapter four when John is lifted 38 00:03:53.380 --> 00:03:59.700 up off the earth and his vantage point is from heaven to earth during the entire seven-year 39 00:03:59.700 --> 00:04:03.700 tribulation period of time. Think that through for a second. You see, well, Jack, that's just 40 00:04:03.700 --> 00:04:11.140 John reporting. That's just John reporting from the same. Well, John's looking down from heaven, 41 00:04:11.140 --> 00:04:17.540 Revelation four one at what's going on on the earth, and John records the advent of the 42 00:04:17.540 --> 00:04:30.580 Antichrist from heaven. John, see, that's John, you say, Jack, but in Revelation 19, John basically 43 00:04:30.580 --> 00:04:36.900 turns around with his camera crew and his microphone and he says, you know what? I saw a door 44 00:04:36.900 --> 00:04:46.260 opened in front of me and behind me was the church and we're on white horses and we follow him who's 45 00:04:46.260 --> 00:04:53.380 in front of us who's on his robe is written King of Kings and Lord of Lords and I saw that out of 46 00:04:53.380 --> 00:04:59.620 his mouth when a sharp sword, the word of God with it, he should strike the nations and you read 47 00:04:59.620 --> 00:05:06.500 Revelation 19 on and it's Christ in the second coming. It doesn't fit, everybody. The pre-wraith 48 00:05:07.140 --> 00:05:16.660 mid-trib view doesn't work. It doesn't work that way and you'll have to do gymnastics with 49 00:05:16.660 --> 00:05:22.260 scriptures and you'll have to say see right here it says saints. Yes, remember I mentioned this 50 00:05:22.260 --> 00:05:27.220 before there's Old Testament saints, the church age saints and the tribulation saints. Technically 51 00:05:27.220 --> 00:05:32.500 there's three categories of saints. I guess you could push it and take it out into the millennium, 52 00:05:32.500 --> 00:05:38.740 there'll be those who will believe in the millennium who will come to faith. I guess you could call 53 00:05:38.740 --> 00:05:48.180 those millennial saints but we're not focusing on that. This is what's important that both camps 54 00:05:48.180 --> 00:05:55.940 understand the post-tribulationist and the mid-tribulationist understand something that the seven 55 00:05:55.940 --> 00:06:03.220 years is specifically owed to Israel. There's no mention of the church anywhere in the seven years 56 00:06:04.020 --> 00:06:10.100 on earth, Older New Testament. In fact what's very cool is the seven years 57 00:06:12.260 --> 00:06:20.260 if you're Jewish right now and you read Genesis to Malachi and skip the entire New Testament 58 00:06:21.060 --> 00:06:31.300 and then started reading in Revelation chapter 5, certainly chapter 6 on you would think you're reading 59 00:06:31.300 --> 00:06:43.060 the Old Testament. It's amazing. So watch this. In Daniel chapter 9 verse, excuse me, Daniel chapter 7 60 00:06:43.060 --> 00:06:58.580 verse 21, the Bible says there that power will be given to the Antichrist to destroy the saints 61 00:06:59.780 --> 00:07:07.540 on earth. You'll kill them. You see, well that's radical. What was that? Daniel 721. 62 00:07:08.340 --> 00:07:16.580 Well, where do you hear about that in the New Testament? Do you hear that prior to the 63 00:07:16.580 --> 00:07:23.940 pre-tribulation rapture view? No. You have the church standing for light and salt and 64 00:07:23.940 --> 00:07:29.380 righteousness and preaching the gospel to the ends of the earth, what we're doing now. 65 00:07:30.660 --> 00:07:37.300 We certainly have demonic opposition. We certainly have persecution and we're going to see 66 00:07:37.380 --> 00:07:47.380 that escalate. That's normal. But you have no global order given by a central figure declaring 67 00:07:49.300 --> 00:08:01.940 war on the Church of Jesus. You don't see that at all. But you do find from Daniel 721, 68 00:08:02.900 --> 00:08:10.500 you move forward to Revelation chapter 13 and this very same one that Daniel's talking about, 69 00:08:10.500 --> 00:08:18.980 John's talking about. And he says that this one, the Antichrist, is given power to destroy the 70 00:08:18.980 --> 00:08:26.260 saints, to overcome them. And that's the chapter by the way of the mark of the B666 and all that 71 00:08:26.260 --> 00:08:32.020 stuff. Nobody will be able to buy or sell without his number. There's going to be those in that 72 00:08:32.020 --> 00:08:38.260 time period of the tribulation. They're not going to accept the mark. They will either be a 73 00:08:39.060 --> 00:08:48.100 born again Jews, like the 144,000 men, Hebrew, read about them in the book of Revelation. 74 00:08:48.900 --> 00:08:59.780 There'll be 12,000 men, virgins who speak Hebrew among probably other religions, I mean, 75 00:08:59.780 --> 00:09:07.700 languages, obviously, who are saved. And they are powered by the Holy Spirit. They preach 76 00:09:07.700 --> 00:09:13.940 the everlasting gospel, 12,000 from each tribe, 144,000 total, and they deliver the gospel to the 77 00:09:14.020 --> 00:09:20.340 ends of the earth. And from those that preach a number of Gentiles saved cannot be counted. 78 00:09:21.060 --> 00:09:27.700 Those that get saved, they also wind up getting beheaded. The book of Revelation tells us because 79 00:09:27.700 --> 00:09:32.980 they refuse to give allegiance to the Antichrist. I guess now would be a good time for me to insert this. 80 00:09:34.020 --> 00:09:37.300 And boy, I'm going to get a hate mail for this one, but it's okay. 81 00:09:37.380 --> 00:09:46.820 Look, I'm old enough to be your dad. I remember living at a time when credit cards came out 82 00:09:47.940 --> 00:09:54.820 and they had a magnetic... They didn't even have a magnetic strip in the back. In the early days, 83 00:09:54.820 --> 00:10:02.740 credit cards had just had a number on the front. And you would take the credit card and some of you 84 00:10:03.700 --> 00:10:10.740 let's be a flashback. Some you take your credit card, you lay it down, and they would go like this. 85 00:10:10.740 --> 00:10:19.140 Remember this, you guys? They'd go like this with a machine. Give you your card back. They kept 86 00:10:19.140 --> 00:10:24.660 your receipt. You kept your receipt. They mailed it into Mastercard. They eventually got paid. 87 00:10:25.620 --> 00:10:31.460 Man, some of the young people were saying, what? Then, you know what happened? 88 00:10:33.780 --> 00:10:39.140 This happened. Magnetic strip. In fact, I just... I have to cover this part up because this 89 00:10:39.140 --> 00:10:45.620 hadn't happened yet. Magnetic strip on the back. And I remember people at church back in those days, 90 00:10:45.620 --> 00:10:51.860 it was Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa, where I used to go. People said, that's the mark of the beast. 91 00:10:51.860 --> 00:10:59.300 We have to throw away our credit cards. The magnetic strip has more information on it. People 92 00:10:59.300 --> 00:11:05.860 freaked. Not everybody freaked. A lot of people freaked. And then they calmed down because they realized 93 00:11:05.860 --> 00:11:12.660 they were hungry later that day and wanted to eat and buy some toys. So that concern went away. 94 00:11:12.660 --> 00:11:17.620 And that's okay because it meant nothing. And then, as I covered up my card a moment ago, 95 00:11:17.620 --> 00:11:23.860 I shouldn't have put it away, but they all have it anyway. Here's this one. See, little shiny thing 96 00:11:23.860 --> 00:11:28.260 right here in the corner. I'm going to move it so you can't copy my number and ruin my life. 97 00:11:29.220 --> 00:11:34.500 See that little thing right there? It's a hologram. That's got more information on it. 98 00:11:36.180 --> 00:11:44.420 Okay, well, you see this card? That card's got a chip on it. It's not a hologram. In fact, 99 00:11:44.420 --> 00:11:48.900 the hologram has been outdated. It's got the RF thing. I can tap this. 100 00:11:51.300 --> 00:11:55.140 But that's not so cool. Imagine if they put this technology in your head and you can tap 101 00:11:55.140 --> 00:11:59.620 your head at Starbucks. You look like an idiot. You look like a woodpecker getting a coffee at 102 00:11:59.620 --> 00:12:07.940 Starbucks. It doesn't work. But what does come real close is that chip that the chip that's 103 00:12:07.940 --> 00:12:14.900 right there could easily go under my skin. In L.A. County, all of your dogs and cats have 104 00:12:14.900 --> 00:12:21.140 chip in the back of their neck. Oh my gosh, it's the antichrist. It's not the antichrist. Listen, 105 00:12:21.140 --> 00:12:29.140 this is where you're going to freak out. Even with all that's going on with this passport talk about 106 00:12:31.140 --> 00:12:36.420 having a global passport, medical passport issued by the World Health Organization and you won't 107 00:12:36.420 --> 00:12:41.220 be able to travel anywhere without it. That's not even the mark of the beast, everybody. 108 00:12:42.100 --> 00:12:50.660 I know you're going to hate me for this. What if they come out with implantable chips tomorrow? 109 00:12:52.260 --> 00:12:56.580 Oh my gosh, it's the mark of the beast. It's not the mark of the beast. Still not the mark of the 110 00:12:56.580 --> 00:13:02.420 beast. What if they put on your forehead? Still not the mark of the beast. I mean it. Listen, 111 00:13:03.060 --> 00:13:09.860 you have to willfully accept the number. You have to willfully pledge allegiance to the antichrist. 112 00:13:09.860 --> 00:13:19.220 And if you do that, then you win the devil's prize. And that is you get a number 666. So imagine 113 00:13:19.220 --> 00:13:25.940 you're so security number. And because you play by his rules, he's going to issue a prefix like 114 00:13:25.940 --> 00:13:34.020 your area code 808 909 714 and then your phone number. Imagine that prefix in front of you 115 00:13:34.020 --> 00:13:39.620 in front of your social security number. You're going to have to accept. You're going to have to say 116 00:13:39.620 --> 00:13:45.140 I bow and I pledge allegiance to the antichrist. He's awesome and I want to eat. You have to willfully 117 00:13:45.140 --> 00:13:49.140 do that and people are going to get in line to do that. They're going to love it. So don't panic with 118 00:13:49.140 --> 00:13:54.500 the technologies that are coming. Just know we're getting near the end. It's pretty awesome. 119 00:13:55.780 --> 00:14:01.220 So post tribulationists post tribulationists believe that when Christ comes back, 120 00:14:02.500 --> 00:14:06.900 when he descends from heaven with the voice of the archangel, the trumpet of God and the dead and 121 00:14:06.900 --> 00:14:13.220 Christ rise, there is a rapture. It's at the end of the second coming when Christ is coming. 122 00:14:14.100 --> 00:14:19.540 Okay. Remember, John's with him. John's with him and the saints are with him. 123 00:14:21.620 --> 00:14:30.420 So a group pop out of the ground and then those who are alive at that moment are raptured 124 00:14:31.540 --> 00:14:36.500 and they meet Jesus in the air. Very similar sort of sort of similar to the pre-trib view. 125 00:14:37.140 --> 00:14:42.900 But they meet Jesus in the air, but they keep coming down like a yo-yo. 126 00:14:44.260 --> 00:14:48.740 And Jesus lands with everybody and establishes this kingdom. 127 00:14:49.780 --> 00:14:57.540 The post tribulation rapture view is a view that is not found in scripture. And in most cases, 128 00:14:58.260 --> 00:15:06.020 because I used to be one, it really was originated by a view that number one mixed the church 129 00:15:06.020 --> 00:15:14.500 and Israel together as the saints. It confused the saints that make up believing Israel and the 130 00:15:14.500 --> 00:15:21.220 saints that make up the believing church and made them the same saints. Big Boo Boo. Big mistake. 131 00:15:21.220 --> 00:15:25.940 Why? The church age saints are called the bride of Christ. 132 00:15:26.020 --> 00:15:29.700 Nowhere in the Bible is Israel called the bride of Christ. 133 00:15:30.420 --> 00:15:38.420 Anywhere, she is the bride or the wife of Jehovah. God the Father is married to Israel, 134 00:15:38.420 --> 00:15:46.420 read the book of Jeremiah, read the book of Hosea. Jesus is engaged to the church at this moment 135 00:15:46.500 --> 00:15:57.140 right now. Okay? The other thing is this, that if you have the church surviving the tribulation 136 00:15:57.140 --> 00:16:03.860 at his second coming, and he picks her up to bring her down, what is he delivering her from? 137 00:16:05.380 --> 00:16:10.980 There is no deliverance from the hour that will engulf the earth. There is no Luke 21, 138 00:16:10.980 --> 00:16:16.100 36 escaping all of these things that will come up on the face of the earth. There's none of it. 139 00:16:18.340 --> 00:16:26.820 So I got to tell you, the post-tribulation rapture view as it was with me is based in some spiritual 140 00:16:26.820 --> 00:16:37.540 arrogance and pride. Based in this, I'll take one for the team. It's a pre-tribulation rapture views 141 00:16:37.620 --> 00:16:47.460 for whims. No, it's not. A pre-tribulation rapture view, they don't have the faith that I have to 142 00:16:47.460 --> 00:16:54.820 to write out the big storm. You're wrong about that. I'll submit this to you. It's harder to be 143 00:16:54.820 --> 00:17:02.900 waiting for him now than it will be to die for him later. I believe, listen, I don't see Jesus. 144 00:17:02.900 --> 00:17:10.180 I can't hear him. I just have his Bible, but I'm ready. Listen, a tribulation saint is going to 145 00:17:10.180 --> 00:17:16.260 have all kinds of crazy things going on on earth watching what's going on. Those tribulation saints 146 00:17:16.260 --> 00:17:21.540 are going to have faith, obviously, but men are they're going to be seeing stuff. But a post-tribulation 147 00:17:21.540 --> 00:17:30.020 rapture view, it makes no consistency of interpretation throughout scripture. God says, I'm going to 148 00:17:30.020 --> 00:17:35.700 deliver you from wrath. Then how does he do that? Oh, you make the word wrath mean hell. That 149 00:17:35.700 --> 00:17:44.900 doesn't work because that's not the word. Very important. The bride of Christ has got to get to John 150 00:17:44.900 --> 00:17:54.100 14 versus 1, 2, 1, 2 and 3. The post-tribulation rapture view has no John 14 versus 1, 2 and 3. 151 00:17:54.180 --> 00:18:01.380 Has no deliverance. The post-tribulation rapture view is all summed up in this thing. It's works 152 00:18:01.380 --> 00:18:08.580 based salvation. I must suffer because I got to somehow participate in what Jesus has done for 153 00:18:08.580 --> 00:18:17.940 me. Jesus suffered for me in the cross. So I must suffer for him on earth. No, that's not true. 154 00:18:17.940 --> 00:18:23.700 Also this, there's a sense of arrogance, spiritually. I owe Jesus my blood. No, you don't. 155 00:18:25.620 --> 00:18:35.460 I owe Jesus what? You owe him now your undivided faith and attention that he could come for you 156 00:18:35.460 --> 00:18:40.660 today. You could be a post-tribulationist right now, but are you ready to meet Jesus now because 157 00:18:40.740 --> 00:18:46.100 you might slip on a banana or you might go visit San Francisco. That'll put an end to you. 158 00:18:48.820 --> 00:18:52.980 You need to be careful. Listen, you've got to be ready now without any indication because the 159 00:18:52.980 --> 00:19:01.540 Bible says, be ready. Okay? So the post-tribulation rapture view, frankly, is very, very weak. 160 00:19:01.540 --> 00:19:06.820 It doesn't take much faith because a post-tribulation rapture view, if you believe it, 161 00:19:06.820 --> 00:19:11.780 is filled with all kinds of visible signs and wonders that indicate the fact that, whoop, 162 00:19:11.780 --> 00:19:19.140 here he comes, according to Daniel 12, any minute now. It doesn't work. It doesn't work. 163 00:19:21.540 --> 00:19:26.980 Christ returns at the end of the tribulation period at those seven years as they come to an end, 164 00:19:27.780 --> 00:19:31.380 to put an end to the assemblage of what is known as the Battle of Armageddon. 165 00:19:31.860 --> 00:19:39.620 He brings his church with him. The tribulation believers die for their faith by beheading 166 00:19:39.620 --> 00:19:49.620 Revelation 13. The mid or pre-rath, middle rapture and post-tribulation rapture doesn't accomplish 167 00:19:49.620 --> 00:19:57.460 anything at all. So I know I just ruffled a bunch of feathers. I love you anyway, 168 00:19:58.180 --> 00:20:07.700 but you need to listen. You need the blessed hope inside of you and the looking forward to, 169 00:20:07.700 --> 00:20:11.140 the blessed hope and the glorious appearance of our great God and Savior Jesus Christ. 170 00:20:12.260 --> 00:20:15.940 That can happen any day now. Are you ready to meet him? I don't think you're going to happen. 171 00:20:15.940 --> 00:20:22.580 Okay. If you're trusting in his work at the cross, that's fine, but are you still ready to meet him? 172 00:20:23.540 --> 00:20:27.140 See, your position on where you place the rapture is not a salvation issue, 173 00:20:28.420 --> 00:20:34.100 but the Bible does say that when he returns, you don't want to be goofing off so that you're ashamed 174 00:20:34.660 --> 00:20:39.540 and embarrassed at his coming. You're going to go up, but you're going to be 175 00:20:40.660 --> 00:20:46.660 red in the face as it were. 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