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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Hey there's a lot of talk right now

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going on about forgiveness, about Charlie Kirk, about repentance, about revival.

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What in the world is going on? And should we forgive somebody like an

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assassin or should we hope that they wind up in hell? Let's answer that question

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right now.

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Hey everybody let's talk about what everybody's talking about and I'm so happy

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everybody's talking about it and that is forgiveness. Forgiveness. Of course

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the forgiveness, the whole topic comes out of the assassination of my friend

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and your friend Charlie Kirk and then of course the remarkable and just a

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stole word, spine of steel, handling of it all through Erica Kirk and we know

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that that's the strength of God working through her life. Her witness, her

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testimony in the hours following Charlie's assassination and then of course

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at the memorial service in Phoenix, Erica was anointed by the Lord to be a

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witness. By the way, side note to all of this, I've been watching the response of

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the females, women in the Islamic world as they talk about and podcast about

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and analyze Erica Kirk's speech at the memorial. It's quite remarkable. If you

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get a chance, go look in Islamic websites where women are conversing back and

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forth and it is quite amazing. God is using Erica's witness of forgiving, forgiving

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the assassin that took her husband's life. God is using it and opening up the

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eyes of people who are in cults to consider this forgiveness as well. So let's

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just talk about both, we're going to combine in the brief time we have together

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the emotions of it all. We're going to wrap it up in the theology of it all. The

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best we can in the short amount of time that we do have and let's try to

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dispel emotional, emotionally based perspectives, emotionally based theology

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from biblically based understandings and of course biblically based theology.

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There's a big difference and I'm sad to say most of the world operates off at

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the emotionally based theology which always always always leads to error.

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Perfectly 100% leads to error. So when Erica said, I forgive that young man who

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took Charlie's life. The crowd cheered, the crowd wept. They were also people in

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the crowd who were angry. They were upset. They didn't want to hear that. They

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want the guy to fry in hell. They're miserable about that and now people are

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voicing their opinions about, I don't agree with that. That guy should burn. He

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should rot. And then when we advance our Christian doctrines from the Bible saying,

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Erica did exactly what Jesus did at the cross. It's exactly what Stephen did at the

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base of Golgotha when he was stoned to death. It's exactly what we're called to

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do as Christians because we understand something that maybe a lot of people

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don't understand. And so we are called to forgive. Here's the thing, she didn't

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have to do that. You don't have to forgive those who kill your husband or kill

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your wife or your children. You don't have to. You don't have to grant forgiveness

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in that setting. Let's explain this. Number one, let's talk about the Christian

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family, the church family. The Bible tells us throughout scripture and

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certainly it is one of the hallmarks of New Testament theology. For example, when

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the Bible says in 1 John 1 9, if we confess our sins, he is faithful and just to

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forgive us of our sins and declends us from all on righteousness. That is found

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in 1 John 1 9. First, second and third John are written only to believers, not

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unbelievers. When the Bible tells us that we are to confess our sins and he will

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forgive us of our sins, it is an issue of fellowship, not salvation. It is the

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issue of keeping the line clear, keeping the connection connected between the

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believer and our God because sin can interrupt the contact. When we sin against

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God or against another as a brother or sister, God will not be speaking to us. Isaiah

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chapter 59 verses 1 and 2. God says, my hand is not short that I cannot save you

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neither is my ear's depth that I cannot hear you, but your sins have separated

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you from your God. Notice this, there is sins that are repented of in the

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context of Christian fellowship. Why? We are commanded to forgive our brothers

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and sisters. If we have something against them, we are to forgive them. We're to

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go to them. If they have something against us, but they don't have the guts to

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come to us and we know it, then we are to go to them and we are to really rip

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Satan off by forgiving one another. I love to put it that way. Rip Satan off by

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us brothers and sisters, forgiving one another. In the Bible is full of these

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scriptures. We are to maintain that. How about this? We are to strive to keep the

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unity of the faith among one another. How do we do that? That when we offend our

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hurt one another, we quickly go to them and say, did I hurt you? Or I know I hurt

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you. I asked for your forgiveness. That was a wrong tone. That was harsh. And I

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should not have done that. Please forgive me. That's what we do. But what about

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somebody like Charlie Kirk's assassin? Or what about what the Jews have had

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endured with Adolf Hitler and Osama bin Laden and Hamas or Hezbollah or Iran or the

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Houthis where there's an arch enemy, so to speak, right? There's an absolute

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confirmed enemy. And in this case, the enemy would be the assassin versus the Kirk

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family, right? And so this is not the issuing of forgiveness that Erica didn't

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forgive him. Listen, please, everybody, because I know everyone or a lot of people, I

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should say, have missed this. When Erica said, I forgive him. It doesn't mean that he's

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been absolved of his responsibilities. He's a murderer. He's an assassin. He's

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committed murder. Okay. The Bible says 10 commandments thou shalt not murder. The book

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Revelation tells us that those who are in hell are murderers among other things. When

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Erica said, I forgive him. This is what it means. This is what she was doing. I put

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you into the hands of the Lord. I forgive you because Jesus Christ has forgiven me so

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much and even in, even equal to because there is no, there is no ratio or status of sin

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value or sin, sin, damnation. All sin is sin. You tell a white lie. It's just as bad as

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murdering somebody. If you take a dollar from the cash register, it's the same thing as

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committing adultery. There's no rate or scale of sin. Sin is sin to God. We're the

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bozos that want to prioritize it to make ourselves feel justified and we are dead wrong.

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She said, I forgive you. Why did she say this? She said this. I miss you in forgiveness

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because I'm commanded to do that because my Jesus forgave me and he also told me to forgive

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those who sin against me. I'm going to do that. And here's the reason why you assassin

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are no longer going to have any control or power over my life or the life of my family

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or the relationship between me and my God. I give you up. I release you to God. I will

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not bite my fingernails. I will not sharpen an axe. I will not pine a way plotting your

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demise. Vengeance is the Lord's. He will repay. That's not for me to be involved in.

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Erica Kirk set herself free from that man's crime against her family. And so she has now

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lifted the Holy Spirit, lifted from her the angst and the temptation to exercise judgment

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and justice. She handed him over to the Lord. Most people don't understand that. Some

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people would have felt better if Erica would have said, I hope that guy ruts in hell.

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People would have I promise you that stadium would have broken out in applause and cheers

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because there's a lot of people who feel that way, but they don't know God. You cannot

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know God and revel over the damnation of a human soul for which Jesus Christ died for.

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Yes, it's true. Jesus Christ according to the scripture died for the sins of the entire

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world. Did Jesus die for this assassin? Yes, Jesus did. But does the assassin automatically

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go to hell or heaven, I should say, because Jesus died for him? No, he does not. The man

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needs to repent of his sins and believe in the Lord Jesus Christ and he will be saved.

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But what if he never repents himself? He'll never be saved. But what if he does? He'll

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be saved. And some people say, I don't like that. I want justice. Are you sure? Are you

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sure about that? Because God will do that to you if you don't repent. While everyone's

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pointing at the wickedness of the assassin and it was horrible, no one's pointing at themselves

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and condemning themselves because they're liars or they're cheating on their wife or

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their husband or they beat their kids. Are you hearing me? Everybody wants to throw stones

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at the assassin. I get it. But I don't feel that because Jesus took, listen, Jesus could

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have done that to me, but he didn't. He went to the cross. And I believe that what's

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happening right now is a really important defining of what it means to not only experience

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revival, if we're really going to have one, because it's all based on repentance, by

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the way. And what is an emotional rush? So listen up. Forgiveness and repentance keeps

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communication open between brothers and sisters in Christ and our God. For repentance toward

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God establishes salvation among the lost. The lost when they repent come to Christ. God

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issues forgiveness when they repent. Our God is a God that is perfect. His forgiveness

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is perfect, but so is his justice. So please listen to this. Truth lives out this way.

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The God of all truth is the God of justice. He's the God of grace. He's the God of mercy.

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He's the God of forgiveness. Okay. He's God. He's the God of heaven. Listen, and he's

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justified because he is also in the sense the God of hell, in the sense that he created

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for Satan, Lucifer, and his fallen angels. God doesn't want humans to go there, he says.

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What they do, because man insists on it. So keep this in mind this way. Very important.

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For God to be just, justice must be implemented. So I'm going to take you back to ancient

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England. And this is how England used to do things, which by the way, I am a big fan

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of what I'm about to say is a personal belief of mine. I believe it's biblical. England

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used to practice this. And that is this. Excuse me. It's this. If a man was convicted

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of a capital offense, he was, there was a trial. There was testimony. There were arguments

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given. The man had an attorney. And the defense had their attorney. And there was the trial.

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There was the hearing. There was the evidence. And after the length of the trial, however

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long it was needed, the jury voted. And the sentence was given. And if the sentence

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was you have been found guilty of a capital offense, you will be executed for your crime.

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The Bible says in scripture that that is justice. And it's to be done. It's not a sin.

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It's not wrong. If you don't like it, that's your problem. But God says if a human murders

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another human, the justice system must take that human's life, life for a life that is justice.

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So if the powers that be in the, in the system of government that is says you have now been

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condemned to death, like I assume Charlie Kirk's assassin is going to be condemned to death

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in the state of Utah. The state of Utah will either do lethal injection or firing squad.

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They did the firing squad. They have, they have done it. And it hasn't been all that long

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ago. And I got to tell you, by firing squad is the most merciful. Lethal injection

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is quite gruesome. It's not fast. But be that as it may, we shouldn't even care because

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it's justice. The person must die. But this is what England did. And I love it. And

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I endorse this to the condemned individual who was convicted of a capital offense. In

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this case, murder. For two weeks, every day, for two weeks, the Church of England brought

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a minister into the condemns cell and red scripture to them. And then would ask them if

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they want to repent of their sins and accept the Lord Jesus Christ. And be forgiven.

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They did that every day for two weeks. Why two weeks? Because the, the date was set that

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on such and such a day, this person is going to be executed because they're offense of

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committing a capital crime. Friends, this is a huge act of mercy. They didn't kill the

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guy on the spot. They gave him two weeks. They gave him the gospel every day. They give

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them every day an opportunity to accept Christ and have a sins forgiven. So that, listen,

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on the day of his execution, he would die by justice. But would he immediately enter

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paradise in heaven because he had been forgiven. He had given his life to Christ. And England

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used to do that. I wish America would do that. We should not have overcrowded prisons when it

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comes to death row. Death row should never be full. Death row should be about a two week long

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visit. A condemned criminal should be given the gospel. That's mercy. And then on the day of his

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execution be executed, that's justice. And there's no contradiction in the word of God

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because God is just, God is holy, God is merciful. And let's be honest, God is gracious.

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Mercy is not getting what you deserve. Grace is the man is granted two weeks, right? And grace

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ends when that person's life is ended by justice. But during that interroom between the mercy

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and the justice is the opportunity of grace to accept Christ and be forgiven. If the United

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States implemented this starting today, you would see a lot less crime happening because people

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would be very aware that if I pull the trigger or if I strangle that woman or if I rape this individual,

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I'm going to die two weeks after I'm convicted. And I don't want to do that.

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So many people today are in prison because they don't want to live outside of prison.

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They want to have a life that they're taken care for. That's wrong.

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So forgiveness, listen, don't miss this. God grants you and I as the believer the power to forgive

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those who have sinned against us so that we release them from the control that they have over our

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lives. We have given them into the hands of God. We communicate them to his justice and to his

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grace and to his mercy. And we get up and we live our lives free. And that's what Erica Kirk is

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doing and any one of us who still have to deal with the assassins,

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taking away of our good friend of a brother. Sometimes we have to get up and forgive every day

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against those who have perpetrated things against us. But please do not forget this, folks.

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Don't get caught up into that trap where you say things like this. I will never forgive that person

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for what they did to me. I'll never forgive them. Did you know that person's out running around

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eating snow cones and ice creams and pizzas and having a great time? They're the ones that ripped you

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off, but you're the ones seething for 30 years. You want to know why? Because you've never

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understood the whole dynamic of forgiveness. God gave you the ability to forgive them for sin

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and against you so that you can go free. Let God deal with them, but you grind in your teeth

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and hoping for their fiery demise. Only ate you up and it will eat you up and you'll never be

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free from them. Erica Kirk refuses because Christians refuse to let those who hurt us control us.

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God gave you the power to forgive, folks, so that you can be free of them. Commit them into the hands

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of God's justice. But right now a lot of people want to play God as long as nobody else plays God

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with them. Listen, nobody plays God, folks. God is God and you're not and I'm not.

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God is just. God is holy. God issues forgiveness. God is merciful. God is gracious, but there's an

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order to all of this. And so when the Bible tells us and I'll end with this, when the Bible tells us,

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for example, if we don't forgive those who have sinned against us, God won't forgive us. So oh my gosh,

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I'm going to go to help. That's not what it means. It means communication is going to be cut off.

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Peter made this very clear poor Peter. He was such a great example in hard ways. But if I will not

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forgive a brother or sister who sinned against me, I'm just going to refuse forgiving them.

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Then God's not going to listen to me. I'm not I'm not aborted from the family of God. I'm not

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kicked out. God is saying, if you don't forgive them, our communication, I'm not going to forgive you.

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Our communications plugged up, Jack. Go issue forgiveness to them. Fix it. And then we can talk.

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Is not what the Bible says? That's what it says. That's among brothers. When it comes to those

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who are not brothers, we've been granted the power to release them from the control of our lives.

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God gave us the ability to set ourselves free by honestly going to them and saying,

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or if possible, maybe you can't go to them, but you can say like she did, I forgive him.

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And I and I insert, I forgive him. He will not control my life. I forgive him. He will not

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control the lives of my children. I forgive him. He will not rule and reign over this home

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anymore. What Satan meant for evil is going to be destroyed by good. And I will not allow it.

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And so I'm going to forgive that man who shot my husband. And that's what she did. And that's

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what you and I are to do. But friends, don't get all don't get all up to you. Like you are the one

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that's going to only be happy once this guy's burning in hell. If you think like that,

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don't you know that you deserve that? Also, I deserve that. Also. But Jesus Christ

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washed my sins away so that I will not burn up in hell. Did you know that Jesus Christ, according

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to the Bible, loves that that assassin? Did you know according to the Bible that Jesus Christ

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John chapter three verse 16, did you know that Jesus Christ loved Adolf Hitler and might

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have everything that he did against the Jews? But just because Jesus loved Adolf Hitler,

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doesn't mean that Adolf Hitler went to heaven. Adolf Hitler, unless we know, unless we find out

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something later, is in hell. Osama bin Laden is in hell. Think about that.

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But the thief on the cross, he was on his way to hell.

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And all he said to Jesus was, will you remember me when you come into your kingdom? That's it.

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That is a theological truckload of statement. When you remember me, when you come into your kingdom,

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that criminal that was condemned to death was saying, I believe that you're going to live beyond

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the grave, Jesus. And I believe that you're coming back because you're going to have a kingdom.

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You're going to sit on a throne. You're going to live forever. And when you do that, will you just

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do me a favor, please? Will you remember that I ever existed? And Jesus is today, you'll be with me in

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paradise. Because that man on that that thief on the cross sinned against God first before he

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sinned against any human. And Jesus said, you're going to be with me. Is your God that big?

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Do you know the God of the Bible? Or do you have a God of emotions?

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Does your Bible understanding, is it, is it an understanding based on the sovereignty and the

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sacredness of your emotions? If you do, you're messed up. But if you bring your emotions and your

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own judgments under the control of God's jurisdiction, things go much easier.

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And you can rest much better. This is a very important truth that we cannot cover in just 25,

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30 minutes. But I hope this gets the gears turning and the fluid flowing that you might search your

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Bible. To find out, are you forgiven? Have you ever owned your sin? The wrong that you did

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to your children or to your neighbor or the wrong that you did to your parents or to that girl

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or to that young man? The wrong that you did to that company or that company did to its employees?

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The wrong that you've done, the thoughts that you've had, the lust that burns in your heart,

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the entertainment of your evil. Have you ever gone to God,

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owning those things and no longer pointing fingers at other people because you're so guilty,

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you dare not point to other people? Who are you to judge another man?

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Listen, once you realize how much Christ has forgiven you, it becomes easy to forgive others.

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