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this was definitely like definitely a bottleneck in my growth. Welcome to the game where we talk about

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how to get more customers, how to make more per customer, and how to keep them longer,

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What's going everyone? Happy Saturday. Hope you are rocking and rolling on this beautiful day.

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I wanted to talk about a topic that I have recently brought up with a couple of entrepreneurs

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that I've been on the phone with who are trying to scale or trying to get to you know from the

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you know the three million to the ten million dollar range. But I figured that you even if you're

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not at that range that you might want to hear what it is. And I think it's one of the things that

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took me a really long time to get over. And as soon as I broke through this, this was definitely

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like definitely a bottleneck in my growth. Okay. And what it was was understanding what is good

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enough. All right now I've probably made a zillion podcasts on having low tolerance and you know

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the the excellence of the team will fall to not their expectations but the level of their training

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and culture and high performance and all those things. And you actually do need to maintain that.

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But when it comes to growth, I think that there are also certain realities that you have to face.

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Right. If you're in a service-based business and if you service you know it depends on your

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type of customer. So let me give you a couple examples to make kind of drive this point home.

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Shopify and Spotify, right. Those companies have, believe it or not, pretty high-chirn.

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Like Spotify I think, you know like don't like don't quote me but I'm pretty sure they have like

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15% monthly churn which is like ridiculously high, right? Super high. But there's still a wildly

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successful company super profitable and growing in a you know super multi-billion dollar company.

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And Spotify, the free music app that has a paid version, also has similar type stats. I mean

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they lose a you know tremendous amount of customers every year but they're still wildly successful.

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And so I think there's a couple of things that we can take from that in terms of when we're

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looking at our own growth. And so I fill into this trap at multiple different times and different

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businesses. One servicing weight loss customers and second obviously serving small businesses

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and gyms is that at some point you have to accept, especially if you're in a service-based

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business, that there's going to be an acceptable level of churn, right? And churn can happen for

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a variety of reasons, right? If you're in a in a small business environment, there's a certain

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percentage of businesses that go out of business every month, right? There's also new businesses

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that start every month. And that's that's just normal churn. It's kind of like unemployment can

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never get to zero, right? Because there's always a certain amount of people who are between jobs and

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looking. And I think to the same degree it works that way in business. And so the bottleneck in

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the trap that I fell into was not pushing on the gas soon enough because I kept obsessing about

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churn numbers, right? And you guys know a lot that I obsess about churn. But there is a point

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where the returns are so diminimous as in they're the diminishing return that continue to decrease

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in terms of the amount of effort that you put in that it makes more sense allocating that

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same level of focus and attention to growth, right? And so an easy example of this, and this is

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probably one of the big takeaways that I can give you right now, is that if you don't have

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a spreadsheet where you can make projections based on current numbers, then you are wildly lost,

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right? And so every big business that I have built has been built on an Excel sheet,

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and I did it by moving the numbers into what I believe were acceptable numbers, right? And so

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for example, if you have a service business getting for like, I'll just say small business owners,

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right? In a service space, getting below 10% churn is extremely difficult, right? And at a certain

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point, the amount of effort and level of attention that you're putting to that far out ways,

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if you just put that same attention and effort towards doubling your front end volume, right?

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And you can see it on a graph really simply that, and I just, I went through this exercise with two

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of my directors, and it was very eye-opening, which is why I'm making this podcast, all right? We

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had goals, and still do have goals obviously for GLX, which is our new performance division, right?

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It's growing like crazy right now, but they put some really big goals of where they wanted to hit,

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and I walked them through the sheet and the projections, and it became clear after moving the

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knobs, right? And so here are the knobs that we were moving in growth, and this is where you're

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probably putting your attention, right? First is, what am I charging up front? What is my cash

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up front in acquisition, right? What am I making the first 30 days? It's number one.

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Number two is, what is my price for my ongoing service, right? Because typically there's

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going to be some sort of front end and some sort of back end, right? Third, what is my conversion

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from front end to back end, all right? Fourth, what is my churn on my back end service, right?

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And then on the top side, how many leads are coming in, how many are getting scheduled,

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how many are showing, and how many are we closing, right? And so if you think about that from

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the top down, I kind of went backwards and forwards, but if you go, we've got this many leads,

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this many schedule, this many shows, this many that are closing, of the ones that are closing,

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how much is the cash up front, of the ones that are cash up front, how many converts to the back end,

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what is my price on my back end, and what is my churn on my back end over time, right? Now,

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when you put all of those into it, now it sounds like a lot of numbers, but it's not really,

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it's literally just a vertical chart that you put on an excel sheet, you can extrapolate out

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what you're going to be at at month one, at month two, at month three, at month four, because

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you're also going to account for churn in that projection, right? And what I would encourage you

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to do is not, not like make those projections on your current numbers, all right? This is like,

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this is the biggest thing, and I've had so many people come back in our company, and laylies to

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joke about how accurate our projections were, like she's like, I don't know how you fucking get

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this to, you know, guess this stuff. It's like, if you just take all of their variables into account,

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and then you just put on the variable sheet, what is, not what you want it to be, or what you

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hope it to be, or what it was that one best week, but what it is, right? And the longer the data

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that you can pull from to make those extrapolations, what I mean by that is if, look at your,

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don't look at your clothes right last week, look at your clothes right over the last six months,

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right? Don't look at how many leads you got last week, look at how many leads you got over the last

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six months, right? Like, don't look at, you know what I'm saying here is, take the real data,

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and then use that as your baseline, right? And so then what ends up happening is that you can change

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each of the knobs, and this is exactly what I did with my directors, I said, let's see what happens if

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we take our turn and we cut it in half, all right? Let's see if we get our price and we bump it by

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10%. Let's see what happens if we increase our front end by another 10%, right? Now let's see,

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I meant front end price, right? Let's see if we bump that by 10%. Now let's see what happens if we

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increase our appointment volume. Now of these knobs, which of them has the biggest impact in six

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months, all right? Second, which of these knobs do we feel that we have the highest degree of certainty

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that we can actually do? And after we looked at everything, we came to the, to the conclusion that

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we were at an acceptable level of turn, our price points were where we wanted them to be. There's

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not that's not too much more that we wanted to do with the pricing. There's maybe we might have

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10% raises, nothing huge, right? That we thought that we could get given the amount of value that we

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were providing. But the one that seemed to be the most untapped was believe it or not our

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marketing, right? Our marketing right now, we've actually not been spending a tremendous amount of

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money, which has been getting a lot of word of mouth and growth from that, which has been awesome.

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But we're not spending nearly the amount of tension or money we have in the past, all right? We're

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actually spending a third, believe it or not, of the amount of money that we have spent in the past

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on marketing. And so we determined as a director team, if we simply just get that number and we go

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back to our old volumes, which means we have to hire a few more salespeople, which is fine, that alone

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was going to get us to our goal, all right? And so what are we going to do with the remainder of

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the things, right? What are we going to do with, you know, churn? What are we going to do with,

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you know, the price points that we're going to to hit on the back and what are we going to do with

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all those things? Nothing. We're just going to focus on that one number and getting that to improve

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because of all of the levers when we looked at the projections, that was the one that six months

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from now, because that's where their goal is for January. Six months from now is going to have the

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biggest impact on their goal. Real quick guys, you guys already know that I don't run any ads on

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this and I don't sell anything. And so the only ask that I can ever have in you guys is that you

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help me spread the word so we can have more entrepreneurs, make more money, feed their families,

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make better products, and have better experiences for their employees and customers. And the only

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way we do that is if you can rate and review and share this podcast. So the single thing that I

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asked you to do is you can just leave review, but take 10 seconds or one type of the thug that

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means the absolute world to me and more importantly, it may change the world for someone else.

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And so right now, if you do not have this, right? And this is why I'm calling this acceptable level

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of, you know, good enough or what will you tolerate, right? Is that, oh, for so long, there's a

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certain point where you have to look at the model, right? If the model doesn't make sense and there's

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too big of a hole in the bucket or there's not enough margin, then you have to fix the model.

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And I would say that we've spent the last four and a half months building out this performance

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division, right? Building out the model, right? Not just the, not the product that we're selling,

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but the actual model around the product, right? Because there's kind of two, for at least for us,

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there's two kind of businesses that we have. We have the business that we've built for online

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fitness, right? And there's also the built, the business that we build around online fitness so

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that we can have our business to support those businesses, right? And so it's two entirely

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different businesses that we've had to build over the last four months. And now it's been 16 or

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18 weeks since we've, we've really started this performance division and it's grown so much that

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now I said, like, after seeing all the numbers and we've tweaked and we've tweaked and we've tweaked,

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we're like, okay, now it's ready, right? Now, given these numbers, given these lifetime values,

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given these 30 day cash values per customer, it is ready for growth. And so the question is,

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when do you get to that and what are the numbers? Honestly, it's a purse, it's, it's not,

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I don't even want to say it's a personal opinion. It comes down to what's the profit that you were

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making on the customer and then what are your relative costs of acquisition, right? If the,

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if the gap between those is too narrow, then you have to keep working on the model, right?

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But at one point, you'll get to a point where you're at, you know, four to one, five to one,

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in your first 30 days, especially if you're like doing our stuff, if you're in the software world,

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it's like trying to get one to one in three months. But for most service-based businesses,

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if you can get, you know, four to one, five to one in your first 30 days, then you're prepared for

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scale, right? And it's really all, it all becomes about how can I just push more through this machine,

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right? And that is all of the bottleneck. And I'm just telling you this because we as entrepreneurs

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obsess about improving the little things, right? And that's important to a degree. But at some point,

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you have to say, this is good enough, let's put some gas on this thing and let's double our spend,

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let's quadruple our spend and then see what breaks, right? And so that is, that is the process that

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I just went through. You should see some some big things on our side coming up. We hit some,

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we're doing some pretty big goals that we've set. And I think that believe it or not, I think

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they're pretty achieved when I think we're going to hit them. But within your team, the big takeaway

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from this, this is my single ask for anyone who's watching this, is put each of those numbers on

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a vertical sheet and then do month one, month two, month three, month four, month five to six,

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and then all the way to month 12 if you want to. All right, I'm doing six months because we change

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things quickly, right? And what you can do is just add a column before that, which is current volume,

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because otherwise, if you look 24 months out, it's useless, right? A million things are going to change

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between now and then. But what you can do is if you always have a six month model, then what you

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can do is as things change, you can change your today numbers and then that'll extrapolate out for

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the next six months. So if in three months we come back and revisit it, I don't need to look at

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12 months. I can just re re type in my current months numbers, which will populate in month zero

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and then everything goes off of that. Hopefully that hopefully that makes sense in terms of what I'm

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talking about. But if you don't know how to do that, right? If you're like, I don't know how to make

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something like that, then that is the skill you need to have because if you don't even understand

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the basic math behind what drives the revenue and profit in your business, then you're flying blind.

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Right? Like you're like, I want to hit this goal. Well, how? Like how are you going to do it?

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Right? And simply walking backwards from the math and then moving each of the levers will give you

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so much insight into what are the things that matter and what are the things that don't matter?

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All right? And so when you're looking at the knobs that you're turning, the question is,

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how big of an impact does it have? And then how likely is it that I can actually achieve this

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this delta, right? This change? Do I think that it's reasonable that I would be able to get our sales

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team to close twice as many people on the phone, on average? Maybe, maybe, maybe 16 weeks ago,

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when we started out selling this new thing, maybe. Now, it's pretty, we're pretty well oiled

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in terms of like if someone's sitting on the phone and they're prepared and they have the working

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capital to do this, they're probably going to work with us, right? To, to a degree that I, I don't

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feel like me exercising more in that direction is likely for us to double, right? Do I feel like

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it's reasonable, given, you know, us looking at all the exit interviews and the data that we have

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from people who, you know, choose not to stay with us, which, you know, obviously it's part of

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business. It happens. Looking at what's coming from that, do I reasonably believe that we can cut

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that in half from where we're at now? Four months ago, I was like, actually, four months, we've

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actually been pretty good on that side. But point is, is that if we had some major issue there,

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then I would say, okay, we need to attack this until we get it to an acceptable level, right? And

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then once these pieces are there, do I think that I believe that we could double our spend?

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Yeah, I think I can double my spend much more likely than cutting my churn or in half,

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or doubling my close rate, or doubling my show rate, right? If you're at 70% show of appointments,

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you're not going to get to 140%, all right? And so getting from 70 to 80 might take the same

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amount of effort it takes to go from a hundred, you know, new leads to 150 new leads, which would

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be a 50% increase in business, which we'd never be able to squeeze out of our close rate or our show

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rates, right? And so at some point, you just have to make the call and say, this is good enough,

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these metrics work, we just have to do more, right? And a lot of times what you'll find

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is that when you make that decision to do more, you'll learn a whole lot more things that we'll

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break over time. But doing that, you actually realize absolute profit, rather than like return on

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ad spend profit, all right? Because that's what I see a lot of smaller entrepreneurs obsess about,

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is like, dude, I'm getting 10 to 1, I'm not willing to, I don't want to, I don't want to drop

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below that. It's like, well, I mean, I would rather get, you know, 3 to 1 on a million bucks,

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than 10 to 1 on 10,000, right? And so it's just a question of what level game you want to play.

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But doing this exercise, extrapolating out off of your current real numbers and looking at each

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of the percentages in the variables and saying, if I increase this, how much of an effect will it have,

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and then how likely do I think us actually being able to achieve this difference is,

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will give you immense clarity into the one or two bottom next you may have, and then you can focus

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all of your attention on those and just leave the rest, right? Just say like, I'm, I'm willing to

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accept that these are at an acceptable level of turn, of close rate, of show rate, of whatever,

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right? And it's the same thing with like funnels, right? Some people love tweaking with stuff all the

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time. At a certain point, like, if our funnels converting at, you know, 35%, I'm like, okay, I'm,

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I'm good with that. How much effort is it going to take us to get from 35 to 40 or 45? I don't know,

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right? But do I, do I think that it's much easier for me to increase my ads than by, by 25% to

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just increase that volume? Probably. And so which of these doors is the, is the surest path or

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the highest likelihood path of me hitting your goal? And just doing it. And that's pretty much it.

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And so this has been a bottleneck for me two or three times in my career. And so I'm, I'm hoping that

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if maybe just one of you listens to this and actually takes the, the 25 minutes to just put the

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numbers on a sheet and look at what happens over the next six months, given your current volume,

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what we found with my directors was at our current volume levels, we weren't going to grow much

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more than maybe another 15 to 20% top line. And all of us didn't have that goal. And I was like,

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all right, well, which of these things is going to get us to what your goal was? And when we did that,

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it became, it became abundantly clear that that what we needed to do was go back to spending more

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money on that spend. And that's what we're doing. So I hope that makes sense to you. I hope that

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was of value to you and hopefully breaks one person through the bottleneck. Sometimes the easiest

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thing to double the business is just double the amount of customers that are coming in the door.

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Right. Once you have the other pieces dialed in and you have profit margins and your,

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your 30 day cash is good. So you don't have cash flow issues. And the, the, the,

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you're at acceptable levels, those close rates, show rate, uh, churn, et cetera. At some point,

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you just got to say, all right, we're good enough. Let's put some rocket fuel on this. And so,

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I leave you with that this Saturday. I hope you have an amazing day and weekend. And maybe you take

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the extra, uh, you know, 10 minutes and, uh, and do that exercise because I guarantee you

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that you will make more money, uh, by doing that. And at the very least, have clarity into what

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the bottleneck of your business is. Without further ado, have an amazing day.
