WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.840 Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:10.380 truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Everybody with us on this 3 00:00:10.380 --> 00:00:14.800 podcast we have Natasha Crane an excellent author and she has written a book 4 00:00:14.800 --> 00:00:18.800 that you're gonna not only want to hear about but you are gonna want to buy it 5 00:00:18.800 --> 00:00:23.840 you're gonna want to buy a copy for others and spoil and learn. You might want to 6 00:00:23.840 --> 00:00:26.680 read the back of the book before you read the front end of the book because 7 00:00:26.680 --> 00:00:35.000 well stay tuned you'll find out why you can get the outlines of this podcast 8 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:42.160 by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast today if this podcast lifts you up and 9 00:00:42.160 --> 00:00:46.320 encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ then make sure you leave 10 00:00:46.320 --> 00:00:52.260 us one of those five star ratings to us that's like saying amen or yes then 11 00:00:52.260 --> 00:00:56.920 that rating will encourage others to listen now open your hearts to what God's 12 00:00:56.920 --> 00:01:03.440 word has to say to you here is Jack Hibbs. Well hey listen welcome to this 13 00:01:03.440 --> 00:01:08.400 special edition of our podcast together the Jack Hibbs podcast and we thank you 14 00:01:08.400 --> 00:01:13.460 so much. You are the reason why this has been growing I got to tell you as an 15 00:01:13.460 --> 00:01:18.240 old guy I'm blowing away so many of our viewers are younger and that makes me so 16 00:01:18.240 --> 00:01:23.760 very happy and you can expand that you can expand the influence that we can 17 00:01:23.760 --> 00:01:28.880 team up together and by you sharing this and making comment available would be 18 00:01:28.880 --> 00:01:35.840 great so listen today we have with us I would say a modern day for me she's a 19 00:01:35.840 --> 00:01:41.520 modern day Deborah the church needs Deborah's today and that is the princess 20 00:01:41.520 --> 00:01:45.280 warrior the judge Deborah in the Bible who knew the word of God and knew the 21 00:01:45.280 --> 00:01:52.040 spirit of the Lord and what to do and so Natasha crane is with this and Natasha 22 00:01:52.040 --> 00:01:56.840 I'll just say a few things but please fill in the blanks if I remember right 23 00:01:56.840 --> 00:02:00.520 you're the author now is this your fifth or your sixth book will this be the 24 00:02:00.520 --> 00:02:03.880 fifth book this is the fifth this is the fifth book so you're not sitting around 25 00:02:03.880 --> 00:02:09.200 you're not kicking back everything that you write is stimulating and I mean 26 00:02:09.200 --> 00:02:13.160 this in a good way it's cerebral meaning it's not that it's so hard I can't 27 00:02:13.160 --> 00:02:20.600 understand it it it means that you are you remind me of authors that lived a 28 00:02:20.600 --> 00:02:26.280 hundred or 200 years ago because you do not dumb things down you bring us up to 29 00:02:26.280 --> 00:02:29.760 a level of intellect and thought process which I think the word of God does 30 00:02:29.760 --> 00:02:34.400 that I think when the Lord spoke to Peter and he said that we need to be able 31 00:02:34.400 --> 00:02:38.760 to give an answer for the reason for the hope that is within us and so I love 32 00:02:38.760 --> 00:02:43.200 how you write and you know I have to I have to confess to you guys I'm very 33 00:02:43.200 --> 00:02:50.040 biased toward her books because she says things that I think she she writes 34 00:02:50.040 --> 00:02:55.920 things that that I agree with and it's kind of how life goes you know anyway 35 00:02:55.920 --> 00:03:02.840 and so Natasha tell us more about who you are before we get into the nuts and 36 00:03:02.840 --> 00:03:06.960 bolts of this latest book yeah well first thank you so much for the kind words 37 00:03:06.960 --> 00:03:11.240 I really appreciate that I'm well I'm a mom and a wife I have three kids three 38 00:03:11.240 --> 00:03:16.200 teenagers so it's fun fun time twins who are 16 who both just got their 39 00:03:16.200 --> 00:03:20.560 drivers licenses so that's that's a lot of fun and stressed at the same time and 40 00:03:20.560 --> 00:03:25.680 also a 14-year-old and live here in Southern California about 45 minutes away 41 00:03:25.680 --> 00:03:29.880 from you so it's a pleasure to get to come and talk to you in person and yeah so 42 00:03:29.880 --> 00:03:35.200 this is my fifth book and I've been writing for about 10 years now and you 43 00:03:35.480 --> 00:03:39.640 kind of traffic with some other mutual friends of ours don't you you guys kind 44 00:03:39.640 --> 00:03:44.320 of get together and and pull something off of course I'm alluding to you and 45 00:03:44.320 --> 00:03:48.160 getting together with Frank Turek and and what you guys do what is that what 46 00:03:48.160 --> 00:03:52.480 is that gathering called I know you we had here once the unshaken conference 47 00:03:52.480 --> 00:03:58.080 unshaken conference can people get those can they view those messages online 48 00:03:58.080 --> 00:04:01.840 or they're not online but we have four new conferences this year so it's 49 00:04:01.840 --> 00:04:05.400 Frank Turek and Elisa Childers and myself and so we've done eight dates over 50 00:04:05.400 --> 00:04:09.440 the last two years and now we're doing all new content over the course of 51 00:04:09.440 --> 00:04:14.280 this year our next one is an Albuquerque on the first week in April and then 52 00:04:14.280 --> 00:04:17.800 we're going to Oahu the first week in May that's a great great location 53 00:04:17.800 --> 00:04:21.360 somebody has to go there so we decided it would be us and then later this 54 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.200 year we're gonna be in Dallas and San Clemente now are you already booked up 55 00:04:25.200 --> 00:04:28.880 for the year regarding this those four dates yes but we'll continue in 56 00:04:28.880 --> 00:04:33.360 2020 so does something that you guys set or can like if if a ministry is 57 00:04:33.360 --> 00:04:36.880 watching this right now how do they or do they have the opportunity to say 58 00:04:36.880 --> 00:04:42.080 hey can you come in 2026 can you come to our location yeah absolutely if you 59 00:04:42.080 --> 00:04:45.000 go to the site it's unshakenconference.com when you go there there's a 60 00:04:45.000 --> 00:04:48.320 form that you can fill out to request bringing the conference to your church 61 00:04:48.320 --> 00:04:53.360 and it's awesome you guys because it is in the area of apologetics for those of 62 00:04:53.360 --> 00:04:55.760 you who are not familiar with that term that doesn't mean that they go around 63 00:04:55.800 --> 00:04:59.240 the nation and apologize for being a Christian it's that they give 64 00:04:59.240 --> 00:05:04.320 argumentation and logic and reason as to why being a believer makes absolute 65 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:09.120 sense in fact we believe it makes the only sense and so your latest book this is 66 00:05:09.120 --> 00:05:12.960 awesome because I want to just jump into this and you can say I got things 67 00:05:12.960 --> 00:05:19.840 highlighted because I was going through this and all but I I want to ask you what 68 00:05:19.840 --> 00:05:26.160 was the genesis of you writing this book and then I want to ask you 69 00:05:26.160 --> 00:05:30.920 behind that if you would what is your hope what is your takeaway what do you 70 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:36.080 want to see people get out of this excellent work of yours yeah so my last 71 00:05:36.080 --> 00:05:39.400 book if I start there is called faithfully different and the subtitle was 72 00:05:39.400 --> 00:05:42.800 regaining biblical clarity in a secular culture and the purpose of that book 73 00:05:42.800 --> 00:05:46.280 was really to help Christians just kind of distinguish better between what a 74 00:05:46.280 --> 00:05:50.760 biblical worldview is and what a secular worldview is and so it has a very 75 00:05:50.760 --> 00:05:53.480 positive sound right faithfully different everyone wants to be faithfully 76 00:05:53.480 --> 00:05:56.720 different people people like that idea but as I started going out and 77 00:05:56.720 --> 00:05:59.680 talking to people speaking at conferences like unshaken and speaking at 78 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.600 churches that I that I get out and talk to what I was finding is that people 79 00:06:03.600 --> 00:06:07.800 were overwhelmingly feeling this increasing hostility and culture I heard 80 00:06:07.800 --> 00:06:12.040 story after story about how people were being cut off by family members a 81 00:06:12.040 --> 00:06:16.040 lot of parents being cut off by their kids they're being cut off by their friends 82 00:06:16.040 --> 00:06:19.240 in a lot of cases some people were losing jobs some people had trouble 83 00:06:19.240 --> 00:06:23.080 getting jobs in the first place because it was hard to find a job that would fit 84 00:06:23.080 --> 00:06:28.560 within their beliefs and so as I heard this over time I realized there is really 85 00:06:28.560 --> 00:06:34.200 a sense of okay now that I have a biblical worldview I don't like what's 86 00:06:34.200 --> 00:06:38.280 happening in response to that right and so I started to realize I think that 87 00:06:38.280 --> 00:06:41.560 somebody needs to kind of break down the hostility more to understand hey this 88 00:06:41.560 --> 00:06:46.120 is the expectation that we need to have in today's culture it's going to be 89 00:06:46.120 --> 00:06:49.600 like this because I think Christians have had the wrong expectations for too 90 00:06:49.600 --> 00:06:53.120 long we've thought that being a Christian means being nice and people are 91 00:06:53.120 --> 00:06:55.800 happy with you and if they like you if you're over here with your clear 92 00:06:55.800 --> 00:06:59.440 biblical worldview then everything's gonna be okay but I think what we're 93 00:06:59.440 --> 00:07:04.440 seeing increasingly is that that's not the reality of it and so as people are 94 00:07:04.440 --> 00:07:08.400 starting to see this hostility arise I wanted to break it down analyze it 95 00:07:08.400 --> 00:07:13.360 kind of say hey this is why this is where the hostility is coming from but then 96 00:07:13.360 --> 00:07:16.840 also go to the next step of saying yes this is the reality of the situation but 97 00:07:16.840 --> 00:07:20.360 that doesn't mean to be quiet so there's less hostility this is hostility we 98 00:07:20.360 --> 00:07:25.120 need to come to terms with and then be salt and light and then pursue the 99 00:07:25.120 --> 00:07:31.360 common good in our culture so that's really how I came about writing the book 100 00:07:31.360 --> 00:07:36.560 you answer that as clearly as you write and that's beautiful perfect this has 101 00:07:36.560 --> 00:07:42.960 been something so much on my heart because if you were to stop and ask any of 102 00:07:42.960 --> 00:07:49.040 the various staff members that are in the ministries that we have if they if 103 00:07:49.040 --> 00:07:53.040 you were to ask them what has Pastor Jack been saying over these last five 104 00:07:53.040 --> 00:07:58.960 years maybe six years and it's been this I and it's pre-COVID I shared with 105 00:07:58.960 --> 00:08:03.640 them a struggle that I was having with the Lord in my private time where I 106 00:08:04.200 --> 00:08:08.360 I became and I think it was just a divine intervention of God where I became 107 00:08:08.360 --> 00:08:16.840 disgruntled with myself that I wasn't that I wasn't to use the term hated or 108 00:08:16.840 --> 00:08:21.480 disliked by the world enough I felt I felt almost as though I was letting God 109 00:08:21.480 --> 00:08:25.800 down and yet at the same time you can't go out you can't go out and be obnoxious 110 00:08:25.800 --> 00:08:30.440 to make people hate you that's evil but I really struggle with Lord if I love 111 00:08:30.520 --> 00:08:36.920 you you just said in John's gospel to me that if I love you I shouldn't be 112 00:08:36.920 --> 00:08:41.000 surprised that the world hates me because they hated you first but Lord I don't 113 00:08:41.000 --> 00:08:45.960 see that happening I you know I get bad excuse me I get pads on the back on a 114 00:08:45.960 --> 00:08:51.160 Sunday or Wednesday or at a conference and I don't like that I want to I want to 115 00:08:51.160 --> 00:08:57.400 be able to to make sure that I'm making a difference and so when when I was 116 00:08:57.400 --> 00:09:02.520 struggling through that like a year after that then COVID happened and then we 117 00:09:02.520 --> 00:09:06.040 took a stand to keep the church open and speak the truth of the rescue 118 00:09:06.040 --> 00:09:13.160 people and then it just went from one social crisis to the next from 119 00:09:13.160 --> 00:09:18.360 the COVID thing to what was being taught to our kids in school regarding LBGTQ 120 00:09:18.360 --> 00:09:22.680 plus and then now the transgender remedilation stuff and then now a 121 00:09:22.680 --> 00:09:28.120 Israel being a nation is the Jew a viable individual what in the world's going on here 122 00:09:28.120 --> 00:09:35.080 all of these things where we became very much hated and in that I found great peace 123 00:09:35.960 --> 00:09:42.040 Natasha because it wasn't that I was looking for blood in the water to get punched in the nose 124 00:09:42.040 --> 00:09:51.560 that's sadistic that's sick what happened was the angst in the criticism against me is what was 125 00:09:51.560 --> 00:09:59.720 being levied against Jesus in the word of God and in the midst of rejection right in the midst 126 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:05.160 of hatred I found great peace and comfort because I knew that I was on his side 127 00:10:06.280 --> 00:10:11.720 and there was a sweet can I say association with him that I've now come to cherish 128 00:10:12.760 --> 00:10:17.400 and so I'm very leery about beware as the Lord said beware when all men speak well of you 129 00:10:17.640 --> 00:10:24.440 and so that's a fine line we walk as a Christian isn't it because the one whom we follow is the 130 00:10:24.440 --> 00:10:30.200 most loved individual on the planet at the same time he's the most hated individual on the planet 131 00:10:31.160 --> 00:10:40.840 and so your book is such a great great lesson and guidance system to navigate this world I love how 132 00:10:40.840 --> 00:10:46.680 you stress numerous times that we need to come to grips with the fact that the truth is offensive 133 00:10:46.840 --> 00:10:50.760 to those who don't want truth can you just talk more about that speak to our audience and that 134 00:10:50.760 --> 00:10:55.560 right and and I love what you're saying at high gave you a comfort to know that this was exactly 135 00:10:55.560 --> 00:11:01.080 what Jesus said this is why it's so important for us to know what Jesus said that if the world hates 136 00:11:01.080 --> 00:11:06.760 you know that it has hated me before it hated you um so yeah absolutely I'm sorry I just 137 00:11:06.760 --> 00:11:11.240 want to comment on that was your question no no no it's good truth I love how you throughout the 138 00:11:11.240 --> 00:11:16.360 book there's a it's a woven throughout your book truth it's so great because 139 00:11:17.960 --> 00:11:21.560 people will think even churches will say well you know the greatest thing that we could do is have 140 00:11:21.560 --> 00:11:28.360 unity have unity I get very leery when I hear that because usually when someone talks about unity 141 00:11:28.360 --> 00:11:37.320 they're talking about you and I compromising even truth to get to the unity table and yet truth 142 00:11:37.320 --> 00:11:44.440 can never be compromised don't never be unity without truth right so explain to us more about how 143 00:11:45.640 --> 00:11:52.920 the very truth of God by nature must be offensive the truth of God is always going to be 144 00:11:52.920 --> 00:11:57.880 offensive to people because ultimately if you are a person who's not living for God if you're not 145 00:11:57.880 --> 00:12:02.920 a child of God your authority for life for truth for knowing what's good and bad and harmful 146 00:12:03.320 --> 00:12:09.240 right and wrong your authority is yourself that's what it comes down to everybody has an 147 00:12:09.240 --> 00:12:14.280 authority for those things so it's either going to be you or it's going to be God and so when you 148 00:12:14.280 --> 00:12:19.480 tell people the truth about what God said what he's revealed specifically in the Bible they're 149 00:12:19.480 --> 00:12:23.160 going to be offended by that because you're telling them basically you're no longer the boss you 150 00:12:23.160 --> 00:12:27.560 don't get to determine what's true it's actually someone else it's actually someone who is 151 00:12:27.560 --> 00:12:32.120 external to you and people don't like that and I think it's so interesting because if you look 152 00:12:32.120 --> 00:12:36.840 at the research on religious trends in America today what you see is that the vast majority of people 153 00:12:36.840 --> 00:12:43.160 do believe in a God in some kind of God or concept in fact it's about 90% believe in some kind of 154 00:12:43.160 --> 00:12:47.800 God or higher power but when you look at the worldview research to when you just don't ask people 155 00:12:47.800 --> 00:12:52.680 how do you identify yourself or what do you believe about God but actually ask what people believe 156 00:12:52.680 --> 00:12:57.560 very specifically about who God is and about the nature of truth and these kinds of things 157 00:12:58.440 --> 00:13:05.080 Dr. George Barna has found that those numbers look like about 4% about 4% of people have a 158 00:13:05.080 --> 00:13:12.200 biblical worldview so what does that tell us it tells us a lot of people love the idea of a God 159 00:13:12.200 --> 00:13:17.240 but they don't love the idea of a God who has revealed himself specifically in scripture 160 00:13:17.240 --> 00:13:24.200 because now we have a basis for knowing confidently who God is and who we are and what's 161 00:13:24.200 --> 00:13:29.160 our relationship what's required of us people don't like that yeah they they don't want to know 162 00:13:29.160 --> 00:13:34.760 that there's a specific God culture is completely fine with a generic God who requires nothing 163 00:13:34.760 --> 00:13:41.160 but it's very offended by a specific God who requires everything and that's ultimately why truth 164 00:13:41.240 --> 00:13:49.240 is so offensive to people it's an authority issue it's amazing to me because when Paul is waiting 165 00:13:49.240 --> 00:13:54.680 for the ministry team to show up he's waiting for them in Athens he walks up the avenue I call it 166 00:13:54.680 --> 00:14:01.080 the avenue of the gods where all of these various deities are enshrined in statue form and he's 167 00:14:01.080 --> 00:14:06.840 taken it all in and he's realizing oh my goodness man this location this Mars Hill this this is 168 00:14:07.640 --> 00:14:15.000 the epicenter of of all worship of all gods or whatever they may be and then of course Paul 169 00:14:15.000 --> 00:14:22.760 goes into x17 what what he says about that what's amazing is nobody can deny archaeology sociology 170 00:14:22.760 --> 00:14:29.720 whoever they might whatever their discipline might be nobody can deny that man is a moral man 171 00:14:29.720 --> 00:14:38.600 is very I say moral man seeks some form of morality and and to do that he's got to attribute 172 00:14:39.480 --> 00:14:45.800 a deity or deities to this in other words I guess what I'm saying is when you look at the gods 173 00:14:45.800 --> 00:14:51.960 that are represented at Mars Hill or anywhere else in the world there there are always gods that 174 00:14:52.760 --> 00:15:01.400 creates that will give him license to do what he wants to do so if I don't want the Judeo-Christian 175 00:15:01.400 --> 00:15:08.440 biblical god of the Bible I'm gonna make up a cult or a cult god or gods that approve of my 176 00:15:08.440 --> 00:15:15.560 desires and so I will carve this image like it is because that's what I want to do what's amazing 177 00:15:15.640 --> 00:15:22.840 to me is people they know this you can study this you can get degrees in this and never come to 178 00:15:22.840 --> 00:15:28.360 the knowledge of the truth that if all of these people worship all of these various different gods 179 00:15:28.920 --> 00:15:37.080 wouldn't it make sense to dial down on the fact that they all can't be right okay so if there's 180 00:15:37.080 --> 00:15:43.000 this one god who actually makes decorations and statements that he's so unique that you can put 181 00:15:43.000 --> 00:15:51.480 him to the test and be proven I'm a big fan people will take issue with this there'll be those who 182 00:15:51.480 --> 00:15:56.920 will say they always say it to you I know and frank in your team well you can't prove the existence 183 00:15:56.920 --> 00:16:04.360 of God I actually believe you can and I think that's why Bible prophecy is so tragically so neglected 184 00:16:04.360 --> 00:16:09.720 in so many areas but people are afraid of it I don't know why but Bible prophecy 33% of the 185 00:16:09.720 --> 00:16:14.840 Bible is prophetic in nature I think it proves the existence of God among many other things 186 00:16:14.840 --> 00:16:22.840 but it's this one who says out of space and time this is who you are Jack this is what you're like 187 00:16:23.800 --> 00:16:29.800 and you're lost I'm here to tell you like a good doctor you're lost you need me 188 00:16:30.840 --> 00:16:38.280 he's honest he tells you the truth it hurts it cuts to the heart and this is where people in my 189 00:16:38.280 --> 00:16:48.360 opinion just flame out when you say he is the savior people get offended at that wait did you 190 00:16:48.360 --> 00:16:56.120 say Jesus is is savior what are you implying I'm not implying anything I'm telling you he's the 191 00:16:56.120 --> 00:17:04.520 savior or the sinners we saviors save he's the one and only savior we need saving the gospel now 192 00:17:04.520 --> 00:17:11.000 you write about it so well the gospel so offensive it's so offensive because if it's the good news 193 00:17:11.000 --> 00:17:19.080 it implies that I might be messed up with bad news if he is God then I'm not right if I need a 194 00:17:19.080 --> 00:17:26.120 savior then that means I'm lost and I'm greatly offended how dare you and so we're getting down now to 195 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:34.440 the age of of the church where just preaching the gospel so many pastors will say I just 196 00:17:34.440 --> 00:17:39.240 preach the gospel sometimes I wonder if they do because if they're preaching the unadulterated 197 00:17:39.240 --> 00:17:44.920 gospel the first word of the gospel is actually the same word that Jesus said it's the same word 198 00:17:44.920 --> 00:17:51.640 that Paul said it's the same word that Peter said and it is so offensive it is repent and believe 199 00:17:51.720 --> 00:17:56.280 on the Lord Jesus Christ and you shall be saved people will not get past the word repent 200 00:17:57.000 --> 00:18:02.680 because it implies that they're not thinking right they need to change their mind and your book 201 00:18:02.680 --> 00:18:07.960 addresses issues give us some of the examples of things that you take on that challenge the status 202 00:18:07.960 --> 00:18:14.920 quo the modern day popular way of thinking you come along Natasha Kran and you say wait a minute 203 00:18:15.560 --> 00:18:21.720 you've got to you've got to understand something um explains some of the the power points to your 204 00:18:21.720 --> 00:18:26.680 chapters well the first half of the book is really geared toward helping people understand the 205 00:18:26.680 --> 00:18:32.440 subtitle of the book which is persevering for the common good as Christians in a hostile public 206 00:18:32.440 --> 00:18:37.000 square so that's really important because I think that we kind of have this christian ease in the 207 00:18:37.000 --> 00:18:41.960 church about salt and light and I sometimes wonder do we even know what salt might is you know 208 00:18:42.040 --> 00:18:45.880 it's on a t-shirt it's a conference title like we hear this all the time but have we really 209 00:18:45.880 --> 00:18:51.640 dug into what that looks like especially in the midst of hostility and so really the first half of 210 00:18:51.640 --> 00:18:56.120 the book is geared at understanding what Jesus said about the world hating us so that we can take 211 00:18:56.120 --> 00:19:00.600 comfort in that as you talked about earlier but then digging into this concept of the common good 212 00:19:00.600 --> 00:19:05.080 what does what does that mean in society Christians are very confused about what is actually good 213 00:19:05.080 --> 00:19:09.560 because we're confused about theology a lot of times you know when you're talking about how no one 214 00:19:09.560 --> 00:19:14.280 wants to hear the bad news and we don't want to hear that we need a savior the majority of self-identified 215 00:19:14.280 --> 00:19:18.760 Christians according to research actually believe people are basically good so we don't even get 216 00:19:18.760 --> 00:19:24.040 this right it's it's a problem in house it's not just out there and so we have to really get clear 217 00:19:24.040 --> 00:19:29.960 on understanding what is good in a sense of using God as a standard of good and not what everyone 218 00:19:29.960 --> 00:19:34.840 else in culture uses that term to mean and I think that's really difficult for a lot of Christians 219 00:19:34.840 --> 00:19:39.000 to get her head around because when people say hey you're actually harmful you're toxic though 220 00:19:39.000 --> 00:19:45.560 your views are hurting people we think man we're hurting people but we're not for using God 221 00:19:45.560 --> 00:19:50.680 standards for determining what is good so we have to get our arms around these definitions and so 222 00:19:50.680 --> 00:19:55.000 really that's the first half of the book is helping people think through that there's also a 223 00:19:55.000 --> 00:19:59.000 chapter when the common good is political not everything about the common good is political but a 224 00:19:59.000 --> 00:20:04.280 lot of times when we're loving people enough to care about the quality of their lives in the context 225 00:20:04.280 --> 00:20:10.760 of the societies in which they live that involves the political so how can we think about this better 226 00:20:10.760 --> 00:20:15.400 you know in some ways I really wanted the book to have been written even though I couldn't do it 227 00:20:15.400 --> 00:20:21.240 before the election because we saw so many of these bad thinking points the mantras and the 228 00:20:21.240 --> 00:20:26.840 church like Christians shouldn't seek power and the if we get involved in politics we're harming 229 00:20:26.840 --> 00:20:31.880 our witness we're imposing our values on others I tackle all those objections in the book wouldn't 230 00:20:31.880 --> 00:20:38.520 that be let's just be candid right now wouldn't if you were Satan wouldn't you say those very things 231 00:20:38.520 --> 00:20:43.800 absolutely translation behind the scenes if I'm if I'm the devil I'm thinking oh crud 232 00:20:43.800 --> 00:20:48.040 they're the only ones that have the answer all right the message that they have is actually 233 00:20:48.040 --> 00:20:53.240 truth and it could really fix things so how do I how do I keep them from getting involved shame 234 00:20:53.240 --> 00:21:03.240 them label them tag them take the narrative from them reframe it and isn't it sad today I get 235 00:21:03.240 --> 00:21:08.680 in trouble for this all the time and it's it's almost become comical well you know pastor you're 236 00:21:08.680 --> 00:21:14.360 the political pastor and I I used to get offended at that and then I don't now anymore because I had 237 00:21:14.360 --> 00:21:22.040 my I have two golden moments Natasha where the the Republican Party came to me in separate occasions 238 00:21:23.320 --> 00:21:29.960 and they said we want you to run for office and you you don't have to pay for anything we just want 239 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:36.120 you to run for office you're gonna win and I said I don't have to pray about this I don't even have 240 00:21:36.120 --> 00:21:43.000 to pray the answer is absolutely no the reason why is I know what I'm called to do but the funny thing 241 00:21:43.480 --> 00:21:51.160 is if I would step into the political realm if I would have number one I'm just as 242 00:21:53.160 --> 00:21:58.440 able to do that I as a as a constitutional right than anybody else it just so happens that I'm 243 00:21:58.440 --> 00:22:04.920 I'm a believer so for me I did not want to choose sides because to me that would be choosing 244 00:22:04.920 --> 00:22:11.080 sides where the Republican Party twice asked me to run for office why would I do that I would 245 00:22:11.080 --> 00:22:16.200 marginalize myself personally from where I'm at is it was you suggest why you're not making the 246 00:22:16.200 --> 00:22:24.840 case no I am making the case because where I'm called I'm called to speak globally over the 247 00:22:24.840 --> 00:22:30.520 issues of Republican Democrat independent I don't even care about those titles here's my point 248 00:22:30.520 --> 00:22:37.640 when somebody comes up and says it's okay to kill babies in the womb it is fundamentally wrong 249 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:43.080 to say that as a Republican independent or Democrat issue you want to you want to know where I'm 250 00:22:43.080 --> 00:22:51.480 offended I'm offended when Christians let the world steal a biblical topic marriage the definition 251 00:22:52.440 --> 00:22:57.880 and say Christian get out of the arena you have no say in this we're making it a political 252 00:22:57.880 --> 00:23:03.400 issue we're raising the flag up on abortion definition of marriage when the church can and cannot 253 00:23:03.400 --> 00:23:07.640 meet or whatever it is you stay out of it and if you come into it you're being political 254 00:23:08.280 --> 00:23:15.960 well oh so you get to be political I don't and yet you're stealing truth and you're redefining it 255 00:23:16.840 --> 00:23:23.720 to me those are fighting words to me and it's not political I don't I don't gripe about taxes I'm 256 00:23:23.720 --> 00:23:29.080 not gripping about this that other thing even though I might disagree that's not my thing as a 257 00:23:29.080 --> 00:23:37.720 Christian leader my my call and your book is so great on this is this is the biblical issue 258 00:23:39.080 --> 00:23:43.720 and you cannot let it be politicized to where you have no say you think you have no comment 259 00:23:44.920 --> 00:23:52.200 you do have comment you do I think we have the ultimate say to it and I love the boldness 260 00:23:52.200 --> 00:23:56.600 that's in your book yeah I think it's so important for people to just think about what does politics 261 00:23:56.600 --> 00:24:00.440 even mean and I try to give back to definitions again in the book so much of this comes back to 262 00:24:00.440 --> 00:24:05.560 defining things well right politics is just the way that people living in communities make decisions 263 00:24:05.560 --> 00:24:09.640 about how they're going to live together as Christians we're part of this country we live in this 264 00:24:09.640 --> 00:24:15.080 constitutional republic like everyone else so of course we should have the right politically to 265 00:24:15.080 --> 00:24:19.640 advocate for what is good and what is right in society and if we're not going to be the one to 266 00:24:19.640 --> 00:24:25.960 actually advocating according to true god-based definitions of good and evil others are going to 267 00:24:25.960 --> 00:24:30.520 advocate for those things and call good evil and evil good so if we're not going to get out there 268 00:24:30.520 --> 00:24:36.040 and advocate for the right things who will it's got to be us I mean in Romans 13 we get the purpose 269 00:24:36.040 --> 00:24:41.240 of government right that civil rulers are to promote the good and restrain the evil well that 270 00:24:41.240 --> 00:24:46.920 presupposes that we're defining good and evil rightly and it's Christians who are going to do that 271 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:52.600 so of course we have to be involved in the public square of course we have to advocate in politics 272 00:24:52.680 --> 00:24:56.760 this is so good because two things come to mind with what you just said so Romans 13 273 00:24:57.640 --> 00:25:02.680 tells us that god has established the governmental authorities for his glory and for good it says 274 00:25:02.680 --> 00:25:10.040 that the minister of righteousness is to do righteousness and so Isaiah chapter 10 verse 1 says 275 00:25:10.040 --> 00:25:19.000 woe unto those who write misfortune for the people and bad laws Isaiah 10 verse 1 so government 276 00:25:19.000 --> 00:25:25.320 can go awry it can go off the rails but and you might remember who some great 277 00:25:26.200 --> 00:25:33.080 said that the church should be the conscience of a nation I don't know if that was Bonhoeffer or 278 00:25:33.080 --> 00:25:39.880 who said that but it's such a great statement because there is that realm of in this thank you 279 00:25:39.880 --> 00:25:45.960 by the way for saying a constitutional republic folks you don't hear that anymore hardly ever but 280 00:25:45.960 --> 00:25:50.120 that's what we live and we do not live in a democracy we live in a constitutional republic where 281 00:25:50.120 --> 00:25:56.440 we the people it's amazing it's rare but we're the ones that are supposed to elect our leaders and 282 00:25:56.440 --> 00:26:02.280 then hold them accountable and so who's going to hold them accountable right well whoever's going 283 00:26:02.280 --> 00:26:08.040 to hold them accountable is the one that's going to speak up and if you speak up without a biblical 284 00:26:08.040 --> 00:26:13.160 worldview then you are just pulling something out of the air and saying well I think we should do 285 00:26:13.160 --> 00:26:19.720 this based on our feelings what we feel so let's take a consensus and who feels this the most 286 00:26:19.720 --> 00:26:24.920 the closest to us and it's pandemonium it's really what the Bible warned that every man will do 287 00:26:24.920 --> 00:26:31.400 what's right in his own eyes where as John Adams said any nation that decides to pick up the 288 00:26:31.400 --> 00:26:37.640 Bible and make it their book of law will be a nation at prosperous that's an awesome statement 289 00:26:37.640 --> 00:26:44.280 you see well I'm not a believer yeah that's okay too you know our founding fathers created a government 290 00:26:44.840 --> 00:26:50.120 that gave the exact same rights to the believer and the non-believers never happened before in human 291 00:26:50.120 --> 00:26:56.520 history and I love that about their confidence in the government that they were giving us was 292 00:26:56.520 --> 00:27:03.720 it's founded upon truth and Jefferson mentions numerous times that so much in fact almost verbatim some 293 00:27:03.720 --> 00:27:11.960 of his great famous statements in the Declaration of Independence were quotations from John Locke 294 00:27:13.240 --> 00:27:19.800 in his two two volume treaty of government and John in that book John Locke quotes 1500 Bible 295 00:27:19.800 --> 00:27:25.400 verses in those two volumes it's amazing getting back to truth um 296 00:27:25.960 --> 00:27:35.000 what what do you hope your book achieves uh in in the minds of the reader what do you how do you 297 00:27:35.000 --> 00:27:42.040 want to see them converted uh with your argument I want them to see that our public influence matters 298 00:27:42.920 --> 00:27:49.320 and to have an idea of how to do it so the book is very practical I think I specifically wrote it 299 00:27:49.320 --> 00:27:53.720 to be practical so that first half gives all of those principles to understand why it matters 300 00:27:53.720 --> 00:27:58.200 the things that we're talking about today the second half of the book then says okay here are 301 00:27:58.200 --> 00:28:03.240 five specific issues where culture is going to hate you for advocating for a biblical view 302 00:28:03.240 --> 00:28:07.560 let's better understand them let's better understand where the hostility comes from and each of those 303 00:28:07.560 --> 00:28:12.600 chapters ends with action points for the common good ideas I mean there are many ways that you can 304 00:28:12.600 --> 00:28:17.880 get involved in advocating for righteousness in society these are just a few ideas to help people 305 00:28:17.880 --> 00:28:24.120 think about it so I talk about subjects like abortion Christian nationalism uh social justice 306 00:28:24.120 --> 00:28:29.080 transgender issues and the the sexualization of children those are the specific topics that I 307 00:28:29.080 --> 00:28:33.640 hit there and you know I make the point in the book too that when we talk about culture hating us 308 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:39.560 that's not to say culture hates us for everything we believe and do so for example my husband 309 00:28:39.560 --> 00:28:44.200 as the president of the Orange County Rescumation he does not get hatred because he's helping the 310 00:28:44.200 --> 00:28:49.800 homeless by and large our culture is totally fine with you wanting to help homeless people it 311 00:28:49.800 --> 00:28:57.160 lines up with the the progress of the day the spirit of the times until he but well if you if they 312 00:28:57.160 --> 00:29:01.480 start getting involved in other issues about hey we have you know a certain standard of faith or 313 00:29:01.480 --> 00:29:06.360 things like that then you're going to feel it but when you start taking a step back and you say well 314 00:29:06.360 --> 00:29:11.960 what if I'm advocating publicly not for a homeless shelter but now I'm advocating publicly for a 315 00:29:12.040 --> 00:29:17.640 pregnancy crisis center for example now the culture hates you there's a reason for that because 316 00:29:17.640 --> 00:29:22.840 now you're running up against the popular moral consensus so we're not going to be hated for everything 317 00:29:22.840 --> 00:29:26.360 and that's not the claim of this book that's not what either of us is saying when we said that 318 00:29:26.360 --> 00:29:32.280 Jesus would hate you but scripture is really clear that you are either a slave to sin or a slave 319 00:29:32.280 --> 00:29:37.640 to righteousness so those who are slave to sin are going to hate the children of God who are 320 00:29:37.640 --> 00:29:43.240 slaves to righteousness because we're actually shining light on the works of darkness no one's 321 00:29:43.240 --> 00:29:48.680 going to like you for that so really I hope that people will come away from this book going I need 322 00:29:48.680 --> 00:29:52.680 to step out more and I've seen several reviews saying that that's the effect it had on them that 323 00:29:52.680 --> 00:29:58.040 they realize I'm going to get off of the living room couch I'm going to go do something I understand 324 00:29:58.040 --> 00:30:02.440 this matters I'm not going to let those mantras out there anymore affect me and keep me keep me 325 00:30:02.440 --> 00:30:08.040 silent because this matters it's something that we are called to do it's awesome because I want 326 00:30:08.040 --> 00:30:14.520 you guys to know that what she has written about I can tell you that from just from one report 327 00:30:14.520 --> 00:30:23.080 is opinion I should say observer really is that what she's saying works because in our own church 328 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:29.640 when people were informed from the pulpit that this is what's happening in our school board for 329 00:30:29.640 --> 00:30:38.040 example I didn't say anything to any particular parent I didn't say you with the red shirt you 330 00:30:38.040 --> 00:30:41.880 know you should run for school board president and you should run for mayor I never said that 331 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:49.160 God spoke to people when they when they were informed that this is what's happening their first 332 00:30:49.160 --> 00:30:54.120 thought was something needs to be done about this it's because it's wrong it's wrong it's wrong in 333 00:30:54.120 --> 00:31:02.040 every level it's wrong and then they began to pray and they got involved they ran for the mayor's 334 00:31:02.040 --> 00:31:07.640 office and they got elected they ran for school board and they got elected and somebody like for 335 00:31:07.640 --> 00:31:13.960 example I'm telling you without saying names that's exactly what happened here and then what's the 336 00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:25.480 next thing that happened the foundation uh the freedom from religion foundation put a headquarters 337 00:31:25.480 --> 00:31:32.520 they're they're based in Wisconsin they put a headquarters here in town to counter and we found out 338 00:31:32.520 --> 00:31:39.320 not too long ago that George Soros actually was giving them money to do what to stop the light from 339 00:31:39.320 --> 00:31:47.800 advancing so these are school board individuals and and and people who didn't say we're going to 340 00:31:47.800 --> 00:31:52.680 preach the gospel every day in the classroom they never said that they just happen to be Christians 341 00:31:52.680 --> 00:31:58.280 who got involved so for example you mentioned your husband doing what he does everybody's fine with 342 00:31:58.280 --> 00:32:04.920 it not a problem good for you but if it got out for example that your husband happy I'm not saying 343 00:32:04.920 --> 00:32:10.200 he's doing this I'm just saying if somebody found out that your husband is feeding those that are 344 00:32:10.200 --> 00:32:16.600 in need and giving them a Gideon Bible now there's a problem people would like wait a minute 345 00:32:17.640 --> 00:32:27.800 separation churches state you can't do that I find it incredibly hypocritical that when someone 346 00:32:27.800 --> 00:32:34.360 does that if they were to do that and hand out a Quran nobody would say a word they wouldn't say 347 00:32:34.360 --> 00:32:40.680 either for fear or what I do not know the reason but you mentioned you look look you can take a 348 00:32:40.680 --> 00:32:48.920 hammer and hit your own finger and yell Mohammed or Buddha no one's going to bat an eye you say 349 00:32:48.920 --> 00:32:55.560 Jesus people do not call upon Mohammed when they slam their finger in the door they call upon Jesus 350 00:32:55.560 --> 00:33:02.360 isn't that interesting what in the world is going on you have introduced your readers on how to 351 00:33:02.360 --> 00:33:09.560 get involved because it's righteousness people say wasn't that reserved for you professional 352 00:33:09.560 --> 00:33:16.360 religious did you righteousness no it's not listen to this the scripture tells us casting down 353 00:33:16.360 --> 00:33:22.440 arguments and every high thing that it's exalted itself against the knowledge of God bringing 354 00:33:22.440 --> 00:33:28.440 every thought into captivity and to the to the obedience of Christ next verse this is second 355 00:33:28.440 --> 00:33:35.560 Corinthians 10 verse six is coming up not second chronicles listen this is second Corinthians 10 356 00:33:35.560 --> 00:33:43.400 verse six and being ready to punish all disobedience when your obedience is fulfilled 357 00:33:45.160 --> 00:33:53.000 your book literally writes on that topic obey God do the right thing don't worry about what other 358 00:33:53.000 --> 00:33:59.400 people say or they might unfriend you or whatever be on the right side of the Lord and 359 00:34:00.440 --> 00:34:06.600 people are going to hate you because they see the Jesus action in your life they're going to 360 00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:12.120 associate you with Jesus they may or may not understand that part but when you 361 00:34:12.120 --> 00:34:16.200 become salt and light to your family to the community around you 362 00:34:16.440 --> 00:34:24.440 people are not going to like you when you do that and that the amazing thing is as you well know 363 00:34:24.440 --> 00:34:30.840 throughout church history the greatest benefits in a culture and a society have come from church 364 00:34:31.560 --> 00:34:43.720 from the believer and it's just a remarkable thing of Natasha why why is it that your book 365 00:34:43.720 --> 00:34:50.440 why is it that your book had to be written thank God it is it is and it's out and you can get it 366 00:34:50.440 --> 00:34:57.560 everybody yet where Amazon or where Amazon other online books this is online books yeah but 367 00:34:57.560 --> 00:35:03.320 Amazon is really good because the algorithm bump it up get it by it I'm a big fan of promoting 368 00:35:03.320 --> 00:35:07.800 other people's books that I believe in by two copies keep one for yourself and give one away but 369 00:35:08.760 --> 00:35:15.080 um why did this book have to why did you have to write this book why is this book 370 00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:22.200 something that I wish honestly didn't have to be written like I wrote a while back living in 371 00:35:22.200 --> 00:35:29.240 the days of deception it's sad I had to write a book it's sad but the Bible tells us that man 372 00:35:29.240 --> 00:35:37.320 without Christ loves a lie you saw something you saw the need you felt the tug from the Lord to 373 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:44.760 write this book um take us now you've read or twice you've referenced the front end of the book 374 00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:51.640 take us to the back end of the book and as to why that has to be written why this has to be said 375 00:35:52.440 --> 00:35:58.120 so for each of those individual issues the culture is not overwhelmingly saying hey Christians 376 00:35:58.120 --> 00:36:02.040 you're you know you're just wrong intellectually about that and they're not walking away right 377 00:36:02.040 --> 00:36:06.680 they're saying that we're evil for our beliefs on these things so when we talk about abortion or 378 00:36:06.680 --> 00:36:11.880 we talk about transgender issues and then sexuality it is very much a claim against us that we 379 00:36:11.880 --> 00:36:16.680 are doing something harmful and morally wrong it's not just an intellectual disagreement that 380 00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:21.720 we're having and I think that's what Christians need to grapple with to understand the nature of 381 00:36:21.720 --> 00:36:28.200 those issues and why culture thinks that we're so harmful so I'm really trying to get into the 382 00:36:28.200 --> 00:36:33.000 mindset of the world to say this this is what they're thinking so for example on my chapter on 383 00:36:33.000 --> 00:36:37.560 abortion the chapter is called controlling misogynists because that's how culture sees us they don't 384 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:43.080 see us as you know the heroes of preborn babies you're a controlling misogynist well let's think 385 00:36:43.080 --> 00:36:48.280 about the language there as an example of how they're seeing us they're seeing this primarily from 386 00:36:48.280 --> 00:36:54.760 a perspective of your harming women in some way I mean if we're if we really try to understand the 387 00:36:54.760 --> 00:36:59.240 mindset so that we can better engage we have to understand very few people are out there saying I 388 00:36:59.240 --> 00:37:05.000 love killing babies that that's not the message that that culture has they are of course advocating 389 00:37:05.000 --> 00:37:09.640 for the right to do that that has the outcome of it but from that their perspective they're saying 390 00:37:09.640 --> 00:37:14.760 we don't want to harm women so in that chapter I'm trying to help Christians better understand 391 00:37:14.760 --> 00:37:19.960 okay this is this is why they hate us because they think that we're harming women when we advocate 392 00:37:19.960 --> 00:37:26.200 for pro-life policies so let's actually address that specific claim about harm to women and so I 393 00:37:26.200 --> 00:37:31.400 just go through all of these different objections in the chapter that are all about how women are 394 00:37:31.400 --> 00:37:35.400 harmed whether it's because they're going to have to bear their rapist child or because we're 395 00:37:35.400 --> 00:37:40.440 somehow controlling their bodies they're being forced to raise kids in bad circumstances all of 396 00:37:40.440 --> 00:37:46.200 these are the kinds of objections that you hear and so I think it's important for us to not just 397 00:37:46.200 --> 00:37:49.640 know the biblical position of course we have to know the biblical position and I present that in 398 00:37:49.640 --> 00:37:55.880 the book but to also understand the culture so I did a lot of legwork in those chapters to help us 399 00:37:55.880 --> 00:38:01.720 better get that so that we can better engage with non-believers and importantly better advocate 400 00:38:01.720 --> 00:38:08.120 for what is right on these issues how did we get here how did we how just generically speaking 401 00:38:08.440 --> 00:38:19.400 how did we as a as a woman how did the woman the female in our culture today come to the place where 402 00:38:22.520 --> 00:38:25.160 it's not only okay to kill the baby that's within me 403 00:38:28.600 --> 00:38:28.920 but 404 00:38:29.720 --> 00:38:39.880 but to see it almost as a virtue from their perspective Natasha where I mean 405 00:38:41.400 --> 00:38:47.640 where how did that happen because doesn't doesn't a woman doesn't a female have a sense of this 406 00:38:48.360 --> 00:38:55.480 God-given maternity that this is a miracle in me when even if they hear it they 407 00:38:55.560 --> 00:38:59.880 well look I'm positive they don't have it they don't even know they haven't even gotten you know 408 00:38:59.880 --> 00:39:04.920 morning sickness yet I'm positive it's always been my understanding nine maybe I'm a dinosaur but 409 00:39:06.040 --> 00:39:12.200 it seems like that was something where good, bad or ugly there was this maternal what am I going to 410 00:39:12.200 --> 00:39:19.640 do I mean I'm I have a I have this issue well the issue is because it's a human it's a big deal 411 00:39:19.640 --> 00:39:26.280 what's going on good better ugly it's a big deal where now it's like oh you know what I'm you've 412 00:39:26.280 --> 00:39:30.600 seen this more than I have people with banners I'm glad I had no more shit where does what is this 413 00:39:31.480 --> 00:39:35.160 well I think this this reminds me of my last book and faithfully different where I identify what I 414 00:39:35.160 --> 00:39:40.840 think are the four basic tenets of secularism if the authority for everything that's true comes 415 00:39:40.840 --> 00:39:44.760 back to the self there's some things that you're going to have in common with other people who's 416 00:39:44.760 --> 00:39:49.320 authority of the self ironically as it is number one feelings are you're going to be your 417 00:39:49.320 --> 00:39:54.840 ultimate guide number two happiness is your ultimate goal number three judging is the ultimate sin 418 00:39:54.840 --> 00:39:59.160 and number four god is the ultimate guess so these are the four tenets I identify in that book 419 00:39:59.160 --> 00:40:03.640 and then work through those the one specifically though that comes to mind when you ask a question 420 00:40:03.640 --> 00:40:10.680 is happiness is the ultimate goal if you have come to believe the cultural lie that happiness is 421 00:40:10.680 --> 00:40:14.600 the ultimate goal of your life that that is everything you're seeking you can justify anything 422 00:40:15.160 --> 00:40:20.600 you can justify absolutely anything and I think that's what you see in a lot of these cases where 423 00:40:20.600 --> 00:40:24.440 people are talking about for example this shout your abortion movement right hashtag shout your 424 00:40:24.440 --> 00:40:29.800 abortion and people were talking about hey I'm glad I had an abortion it's it's so hard to 425 00:40:29.800 --> 00:40:35.000 fathom right it's so hard to understand but if you understand that mentality that whatever makes 426 00:40:35.000 --> 00:40:40.120 you happy is the right thing to do you start getting into that mindset I think of where people are 427 00:40:40.120 --> 00:40:45.720 coming from because they're basically saying hey I had an abortion and my abortion made me happy 428 00:40:45.720 --> 00:40:50.920 in our culture that's like a mic drop moment in our culture people think that if you say oh you 429 00:40:50.920 --> 00:40:55.320 you don't need to talk to me anymore about that I'm I'm happy I'm happy I keep your Christianity that's 430 00:40:55.320 --> 00:41:00.840 okay I'm happy they assume because they're presupposing that within their worldview that that's 431 00:41:00.840 --> 00:41:07.160 the most important thing they could let you know about themselves that mic drop I'm happy and 432 00:41:07.160 --> 00:41:13.320 I can walk away so if you have completely embraced out lie that that's what your life is about 433 00:41:13.320 --> 00:41:18.840 to be the happiest you can be then you're gonna justify all of these kinds of activities not just 434 00:41:18.840 --> 00:41:23.960 abortion but anything else and so it's even though it is hard to get our heads around I think that 435 00:41:23.960 --> 00:41:29.640 that is where it stems from that people think I'm going to be in a better place now than I was if 436 00:41:29.640 --> 00:41:37.640 I had had this baby and therefore I'm happier is that amazing so this type of what is it an 437 00:41:37.640 --> 00:41:46.280 epicurian pursuit a pleasure pursuit a humanism yeah we should have learned by now right when we 438 00:41:46.280 --> 00:41:55.320 pursue these appetites or when we say things like I'm happy with my abortion that over time 439 00:41:56.200 --> 00:42:04.760 there's a callusness yeah that is formed to where I think might have been Norman Geisler somebody 440 00:42:04.760 --> 00:42:10.680 once said a long time ago that when God dies in the minds of in the mind of a man then man dies 441 00:42:11.320 --> 00:42:15.640 in other words if I don't have anybody to answer to right if it is the survival of the fittest 442 00:42:15.640 --> 00:42:27.080 than I went I'll see to it and so but with that with that self-ness there comes a callusness a coldness 443 00:42:28.200 --> 00:42:40.360 a loveless worldview that it's as long as I'm happy and I mean it's just it's textbook Romans one 444 00:42:41.320 --> 00:42:49.240 it is there you are suppressing the truth and unrighteousness it is a moral issue it's interesting 445 00:42:49.240 --> 00:42:55.000 though because it's consistent within their worldview right if there is no external authority 446 00:42:55.000 --> 00:42:59.160 then it's consistent to believe that the authority is you you just you know you get to decide 447 00:42:59.160 --> 00:43:04.760 everything for yourself because there is no God who's revealed himself in some way so in one 448 00:43:04.760 --> 00:43:08.520 sense it's interesting to see that they're being consistent within their worldview it's just that 449 00:43:08.520 --> 00:43:14.600 their basis for reality is completely objectively wrong yeah do you think I mentioned callusness 450 00:43:15.880 --> 00:43:23.880 that that statement came from this thought I may be wrong but I remember when I was not a believer 451 00:43:25.640 --> 00:43:36.680 and the thought of God existing made me uncomfortable and so I spent a lot of energy when I say energy 452 00:43:36.680 --> 00:43:46.200 I would lay down at night and then the energy would be spent in my head arguing with myself 453 00:43:47.320 --> 00:43:55.960 whether whether isn't to God and what I just did doesn't matter and it's grueling to live like that 454 00:43:56.760 --> 00:44:07.320 would you say or are you saying that there are people who they laid out at night and they don't have 455 00:44:07.320 --> 00:44:12.920 that they don't because Jesus said the Holy Spirit has come to convict the world of sin and of 456 00:44:12.920 --> 00:44:19.320 righteousness and of judgment what terrifies me is if I understand Romans one right there comes a 457 00:44:19.320 --> 00:44:26.440 point in time when they're not battling that anymore do you believe that do you believe that 458 00:44:26.440 --> 00:44:31.640 women would say I'm so glad I had my abortion I want to believe I want to I want to believe 459 00:44:31.640 --> 00:44:35.800 that they're being bombastic and silly and at night when the cameras are off they don't really 460 00:44:35.800 --> 00:44:41.000 mean it but you're saying they mean it well I think it depends on the person I mean they're 461 00:44:41.000 --> 00:44:46.280 different layers of that right I think for some people they are discovering up I think deep down 462 00:44:46.280 --> 00:44:51.880 everyone has a sense that this is this is a human being and I think that's one of the reasons why 463 00:44:51.880 --> 00:44:56.040 Christians should continue to speak out not just to say well they're worldview as wrongs they're 464 00:44:56.040 --> 00:45:00.680 not going to hear anything we have to say you know if well Romans one is true which we believe it 465 00:45:00.680 --> 00:45:06.040 to be then that means that actually what we need to do is draw out of them what they already know 466 00:45:06.040 --> 00:45:12.040 to be true so the more that we can share to get people thinking about this is a human being the more 467 00:45:12.040 --> 00:45:17.160 it kind of rises the the thought in their minds that wait a second this this actually is wrong 468 00:45:17.160 --> 00:45:22.680 because I do think that deep down deep down everybody knows that of course but they're covering 469 00:45:22.680 --> 00:45:28.120 but they're covering it up and so for some people they might be so callous to it that it might 470 00:45:28.120 --> 00:45:32.520 be buried so far under that it's harder to reach them it depends on the individual yeah because 471 00:45:32.520 --> 00:45:42.760 Romans does say Paul wrote who knowing who knowing God did not give him glory yeah and like you 472 00:45:42.760 --> 00:45:51.000 said earlier they suppress the truth in unrighteousness and if I remember right even they're aware 473 00:45:51.000 --> 00:45:57.320 that he should receive glory and honor and praise but they refuse to give it to him that is 474 00:45:57.320 --> 00:46:03.640 something that is so incredibly powerful um wrapping this uh what is something I've not asked you 475 00:46:03.640 --> 00:46:11.080 that you want to make sure uh gets gets said today well we've talked about a lot of great stuff 476 00:46:11.080 --> 00:46:15.560 from the book but I would just say the the final chapter of the book is one that a lot of Christians 477 00:46:15.560 --> 00:46:20.200 aren't talking about I do think that I've given it a unique framing in the rest of the book in terms 478 00:46:20.200 --> 00:46:24.600 of the issues that Christians are discussing like abortion and things like that but the final chapter 479 00:46:24.600 --> 00:46:32.120 in the book is about the attempt to liberate children sexually and this is a very grim and dark 480 00:46:32.120 --> 00:46:37.240 topic but I don't hear Christians talking about it much a lot of people have written about sexuality 481 00:46:37.240 --> 00:46:43.000 and general and LGBTQ issues this chapter is not about that but rather about the fact that there 482 00:46:43.000 --> 00:46:50.040 is a subset of activists in that community who are actually advocating for the sexual liberation 483 00:46:50.120 --> 00:46:56.760 of children meaning they want children to experience sexual pleasure themselves and this as I 484 00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:01.800 said I know that's very dark and a grim but basically the more that you see a society that's 485 00:47:01.800 --> 00:47:07.240 willing to say everything is a social construct everything is just a you know something that we've 486 00:47:07.240 --> 00:47:12.200 come up with as a society in terms of gender or sexuality well the next thing that's going to go 487 00:47:12.200 --> 00:47:19.000 is anything around age and so childhood innocence quote unquote childhood innocence as a concept is 488 00:47:19.000 --> 00:47:24.120 something that is trying that they're trying to deconstruct so this comes from and I know we 489 00:47:24.120 --> 00:47:29.080 don't have time to get into it but an area called queer theory if you google queer theory and childhood 490 00:47:29.080 --> 00:47:34.040 innocence what you'll see is that there are plenty of activists who are working according to the 491 00:47:34.040 --> 00:47:39.480 perspective of queer theory who want to get rid of any concept of that childhood innocence so that 492 00:47:39.480 --> 00:47:47.000 children can participate sexually as well and what is truly shocking about it is that a huge avenue 493 00:47:47.000 --> 00:47:54.120 through which this is coming in is the drag queen story hour yes most people most people just think 494 00:47:54.120 --> 00:47:59.480 they're being what I call mainstream allies they want to support the LGBTQ community they want 495 00:47:59.480 --> 00:48:04.520 to bring kids to the drag queen story hour thinking it's about acceptance and tolerance and inclusion 496 00:48:04.520 --> 00:48:10.200 but I talk in that chapter about the fact that people who are directly involved with it in fact one 497 00:48:10.200 --> 00:48:15.640 of the board members of drag queen story hour has published a whole academic paper on how that's 498 00:48:15.640 --> 00:48:22.120 not what it's about they'll tell you themselves you can actually read the paper they basically 499 00:48:22.120 --> 00:48:28.200 acknowledge in it that it's not just about kids learning about queer lives this is their language 500 00:48:28.200 --> 00:48:33.960 but about teaching kids to live queerly and you have to understand from the the perspective of this 501 00:48:33.960 --> 00:48:38.760 theory queer theory we're not queer does not mean gay in this context that's what most of us associate 502 00:48:38.760 --> 00:48:44.600 with that terminology right but what they mean by queer is that you are deconstructing all norms 503 00:48:44.600 --> 00:48:49.320 around gender and sexuality so it's not that they're saying hey we're trying to make your kids gay 504 00:48:49.320 --> 00:48:53.960 per se what they're saying is we're trying to get your kids to get rid of any idea that there are 505 00:48:53.960 --> 00:48:59.000 norms around gender and sexuality from a young age so when you get rid of gender you get rid of 506 00:48:59.000 --> 00:49:05.400 sexuality you teach them to live queerly as the paper talks about that's at any age and so 507 00:49:05.400 --> 00:49:10.200 they're starting from a young age because they believe that if you don't start from a young age 508 00:49:10.200 --> 00:49:17.320 then you just get kids educated into this pipeline of cisgender heterosexuality and this whole 509 00:49:17.320 --> 00:49:21.560 paper lays it out I mean this is not my imagination people people think oh you know drag queen story 510 00:49:21.560 --> 00:49:25.960 hour it's not that big of a deal right why are you Christian speaking out about it well it's it 511 00:49:25.960 --> 00:49:30.920 is a big deal and there are activists themselves who will tell you that this is one of the avenues 512 00:49:30.920 --> 00:49:36.120 through which this is coming in to teach kids from a young age that they can participate in sexual 513 00:49:36.120 --> 00:49:41.880 activities that's just one example you see pride parades today that are supposed to be family 514 00:49:41.880 --> 00:49:46.680 friendly and yet there are a lot of events taking place and those that aren't family friendly at all 515 00:49:47.400 --> 00:49:53.400 that's not to say that every single activist is advocating for this specifically but there is a 516 00:49:53.400 --> 00:49:58.520 subset and it's growing and I think that it is one of the biggest concerns and not enough people 517 00:49:58.520 --> 00:50:07.640 are aware of excuse me so we shouldn't be surprised if we're hated for standing up for what's right 518 00:50:09.000 --> 00:50:16.360 we shouldn't be surprised by the magnitude and level of confusion scripture talks about this 519 00:50:16.360 --> 00:50:24.120 and we shouldn't be surprised though it's tragically painful that we're seeing children attacked 520 00:50:24.120 --> 00:50:36.200 mutilated disfigured in the name of exclusion inclusion sorry 521 00:50:39.240 --> 00:50:44.920 and yet everything that we're talking about right now the Bible foretold so much so that Jesus 522 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:53.640 said in in the last days as at any time if you harm any of these little ones it would have been 523 00:50:53.640 --> 00:50:58.120 better for you in the day of judgment it would have been better for you not to have been born 524 00:50:58.840 --> 00:51:07.080 in other words modern day Jesus is saying that if you destroy 525 00:51:07.400 --> 00:51:18.360 the model that God has created male female the family unit life and you twist it and you manipulate 526 00:51:18.360 --> 00:51:27.800 it to destruction that your judgment and eternity your judgment before the throne of God 527 00:51:27.800 --> 00:51:35.080 it's unthinkable for Jesus to for Jesus said it it's going to be so bad for you that it would 528 00:51:35.080 --> 00:51:42.920 be better for you to not even been born it's terrifying but yet it should speak to the magnitude 529 00:51:42.920 --> 00:51:51.640 and level of how precious innocence is to God and as parents were to protect that and defend that 530 00:51:51.640 --> 00:51:56.280 with our children rather than expose them well you know they're going to hear it sooner or later 531 00:51:56.280 --> 00:52:02.600 that kind of talk is so irresponsible well you know they're going to see it someday better now 532 00:52:02.920 --> 00:52:10.120 then it's so horrific and and I don't want to be I have to be careful I don't want to be I don't 533 00:52:10.120 --> 00:52:18.280 want to be over the top spiritually crazy on this but I also want to be theologically accurate 534 00:52:18.280 --> 00:52:23.480 to where Jesus said in the last days it's going to be like it was in the age of Sodom and Gomorrah 535 00:52:24.040 --> 00:52:30.680 like it was in the days of Noah as well and when we see I mean how how how much 536 00:52:32.120 --> 00:52:37.480 further can it go where parents are willingly putting their child on this sacrificial block 537 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:43.640 isn't that what the Old Testament told us about regarding Rem fan and Mo Locke and these other 538 00:52:43.640 --> 00:52:56.040 deities were parents brought their kids to be destroyed and it's happening again and it's almost 539 00:52:56.040 --> 00:53:01.640 it seems almost impossible because we live in this technology and light and age but aren't we 540 00:53:01.640 --> 00:53:10.120 getting more I say we as a culture darker and more dangerous to where there's a better chance 541 00:53:10.120 --> 00:53:19.880 for you to survive if you're an eagle an eagle egg then a baby in the womb is unbelievable your book 542 00:53:19.880 --> 00:53:26.520 is amazing and again everybody you can get this at amazon.com I encourage you to do that Natasha might 543 00:53:26.520 --> 00:53:32.280 disagree but I would say Amazon for this reason everybody because people Christians will say I 544 00:53:32.280 --> 00:53:39.400 don't buy stuff from Amazon yes you do the if you get it from Amazon it does a very very bizarre 545 00:53:39.400 --> 00:53:47.320 thing it's great it it it manipulates their algorithm the the orders wind up actually 546 00:53:47.320 --> 00:53:53.240 populating the book upward and it gets greater exposure we want her book to have greater exposure 547 00:53:54.040 --> 00:54:01.720 and Amazon the computer system will rank it and it will say for example it's number five in this 548 00:54:01.720 --> 00:54:07.880 category that's a good thing that's what we want to have happen when culture hates you and the 549 00:54:07.880 --> 00:54:13.640 subtitle is again persevering for the common good as Christians in a hostile public square it's a 550 00:54:13.640 --> 00:54:19.000 mouthful compared to the title easy to remember title difficult to remember subtitle yeah but the 551 00:54:19.000 --> 00:54:24.440 subtitle is the punch and so Christian be encouraged listen when the world doesn't like you because 552 00:54:24.440 --> 00:54:29.160 you're speaking Jesus words when the world doesn't like you because you're going to stand up and 553 00:54:29.160 --> 00:54:33.800 do the right thing are you're going to call evil out you know we're supposed to do that we're 554 00:54:33.800 --> 00:54:38.840 supposed to be watchmen on the wall proclaiming the danger that's coming we're living in a time 555 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:44.600 that's more dangerous now especially for our children than ever before but notice it's not a 556 00:54:44.600 --> 00:54:51.880 coincidence that the things that God has made that are good are all the things under attack masculinity 557 00:54:51.960 --> 00:55:05.240 the the right for a woman to be a woman safely to bear children to be a family to reproduce to have 558 00:55:05.240 --> 00:55:12.120 faith to do good to love others all of these things are under attack I'm going to submit to you 559 00:55:12.120 --> 00:55:19.320 today that it's not a coincidence that it is actually revealed in scripture as a plot and a plan 560 00:55:19.400 --> 00:55:27.400 of the demonic powers that seek to deceive you and to capture you and I'll end with this God 561 00:55:27.400 --> 00:55:34.120 loves you you may be watching this right now and I hope you are and you're thinking man I disagree 562 00:55:34.120 --> 00:55:39.880 with these people that's okay what we don't want you to do is disagree with Jesus ultimately we 563 00:55:39.880 --> 00:55:44.600 want you to come to know him because all of us have sinned and come short of the glory of God he 564 00:55:44.600 --> 00:55:51.240 loves you even though your sins have separated you from God it is true the Bible says he's angry with 565 00:55:51.240 --> 00:55:57.160 the wicked every day but he also says that he's not willing that any should perish Jesus died in the 566 00:55:57.160 --> 00:56:03.320 cross for our sins yours included and he rose again from the dead for our justification in other 567 00:56:03.320 --> 00:56:09.400 words Jesus paid the price three days later he rose again from the grave to make sure that his 568 00:56:10.200 --> 00:56:17.640 atonement is available to you you can have a complete life change listen you say you're open-minded 569 00:56:18.520 --> 00:56:25.960 that I'd ask you to consider Jesus consider Christ and get her book Natasha Cran excellent book 570 00:56:26.760 --> 00:56:34.520 read it and um pass it on to others so Natasha thank you awesome thank you so much so good to talk 571 00:56:34.520 --> 00:56:38.840 to you good to talk to you good bless you guys until next time 572 00:56:41.560 --> 00:56:47.480 this jack hips podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported 573 00:56:47.480 --> 00:56:55.240 will you consider partnering with us through a special gift go to jackhibs.com to learn more and stay 574 00:56:55.240 --> 00:56:56.760 connected