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Real Life presents the Jack Kibs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints and impact our culture.

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Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Kibs.

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Hey, welcome to this episode of Real Life and we have something truly today that I believe

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that if you are willing to listen and to spread the word regarding what you're about to hear,

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to someone you know in the public school system and you might be saying, well that's everybody.

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Well, that may be true. So spread the word. Here's the deal. Today, I have with me Jessica

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Tapia and she is a public school teacher. For six years, she's been a public school teacher.

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She has her master's degree in education. She has experienced a challenging upbringing

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to say the least. She is a woman that I would think people would want to emulate and get behind

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and support because she's a success story. She has taken what we would say in biblical terms

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ashes and has turned them into beauty. Her life matters. Her faith matters. She's a woman of

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faith and she has taken a stand and she's done that in the public school system, but that has

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become unacceptable. And so she has recently lost her job as a public school teacher for her

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faith in California, but her story is not limited to California. This is happening in school

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districts all across the United States. So you need to tune in. You need to give extra attention

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because I do believe that you're going to derive courage from her testimony and you might even get

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some direction as to what you should do mom and dad or what you should do principal or teacher

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regarding the dynamics of what's happening with us assault on our public school system. So

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Jessica, welcome. Thank you. It's an honor to have you here. And so just tell us about yourself.

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I mean, I mentioned a few things, but let us know who you are and we'll talk about what's happening

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and then really frankly, what you're going to be doing about it.

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Yes. Well, first of all, thank you for having me. I told my husband immediately after I was

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fired and I put a little post out on my Instagram to start sharing with the world. And then I

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started receiving the media requests and I looked at him and I was like, the first thing I want to

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do is talk to my pastor. So I've done a few other interviews, but I'm so happy to finally be sitting

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with you. So who I am, I'm obviously a follower of Christ. I'm a wife and a mother of three.

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I went to California Baptist University, got a couple degrees there. My teaching credential,

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which is so interesting to me looking back now that I went to a private Christian college to

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receive my teaching credential. And then now I'm in this position where as a Christian public school

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teacher, I've been removed from my position for standing in the truth of the Lord and of the Bible.

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So that's interesting to me, but everything for a reason, I truly have peace even though this is

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like a lot of people look at this and they're so sorry for me and I want to tell people don't be.

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I really believe that like God is doing something with this and I'm not sorry. I don't want you to

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be sorry. I want you to just come alongside me in so many have and just, you know, stand up and

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together like let's make change because we all see and know that it needs to happen. We truly are

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the majority. We just can't be silent anymore. That's so true. So so true. So again, how long have

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you been a teacher? So six years and this whole thing went down at the very end of my six year

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of teaching literally two days before summer vacation. So tell us about, um,

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tell us about what I guess what I'm asking, what's the day in the life of a public school teacher?

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Walk us through that for those of us who don't know. What will I encounter as a public school

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teacher for the year? What am I going to be facing in the system?

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So I, this past year, I had just moved to the high school level. I actually had moved to the

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high school that I attended and that I met my husband at and the high school where I was very,

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very influenced by my coaches. One of my coaches actually invited me to her Bible study. She is

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now my mother-in-law. Oh my gosh. So a lot of history there. Yeah. It was incredible to go back

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and hopefully, you know, have that same influence on on my students that my coaches and teachers had

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on me. And um, but it's different. It was different going back, um, just dark and heavy. It's one

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of those things where you just walk on campus and you feel the culture. As a person, you can feel

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as believers, we know that even walking into a store or a city or wherever, you can sense that

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there's something up. Right. And so that's the sense, but to be more, I guess, descriptive, just

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you compare to what you know and what you've been through. So when I was there as, you know, a student,

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um, for example, you know, dress code, you know, a girl wouldn't dare to wear a spaghetti strap.

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But now I'm walking around and there's students in what look to be bras. Actually, yes, we've seen

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that and you are correct. And it seems that no one's saying anything. So then you don't feel that

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you can say anything and we're all just going along with it and it's just getting worse.

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So it was definitely not what I, things have gotten to a point, I think, culturally and morally,

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at least speaking for the school that I was at, um, to where I didn't feel like I could even

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teach anymore. I didn't feel like the students were even wanting me to teach or open to

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me teaching. They were just like in their own world. So they would, so look, I mean, I'm old enough

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to be your dad. When I was in school, attention was demanded. If you didn't pay attention, you paid

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the price. Uh, you learned or you repeated a class until you got it right. You weren't going to

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advance to the next grade until you, until you got it down. There was no, just go with the flow

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thing. Uh, my goodness, back in my day, we actually got spanked in school. Um, and so what I'm saying is

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this, um, people who, uh, how could that happen? That's terrible. I'm not going to get into that part

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of it. I'm not sure at the time I agreed with it. But the point was, um, we were producing people

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who were way smarter and disciplined in all areas. By the way, it's not just, it's not just,

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can you read the book? It's, do you have over the school year? Did you develop character? So, um,

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it's my understanding that in the public school system, there's a great level of, of dish respect.

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I don't have to, I don't need to do this. What's this for? You, you know, who are you to tell me?

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Um, and yeah, the, the immorality, um, the, the, the attack that has been levied against you,

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walk us through that. Why? Why did they have an issue? And what have they said to you? How do they

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communicate that to you? Yeah. So it all started, um, like I said, literally a couple days before

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summer break, um, of last year. So at the end of May of last year, I noticed that students had

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found me on social media because I was getting some really awful comments and it didn't normally get

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comments like that from students or from who you don't know. I didn't know at first when I read

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the comments. I was like, private page. It's my Instagram page. I had recently made it public, um,

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to share about a business that I had started and to share with. It's not the school. No, it doesn't

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even say that I'm a teacher on there. It doesn't say where I teach. It's my private personal where I

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share my beliefs, my opinions and my Christian religion. Um, students decided to look me up for whatever

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reason. I don't know. Maybe they were looking me up to see my kids that I talk about to see my

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horse that I talk about. I don't know, but they found something they didn't like. Um, specifically,

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it was a video. I was out shopping one day and just seeing all of the pride clothing and

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this time, I was very shocked to find that they're now making this stuff for toddlers and babies.

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Yes. Like 12 month. Yeah. Pratt. And so I was sharing that, you know, bringing awareness of that to

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to other moms. And, um, specifically, like in my caption said, I, I think this is wrong. A three

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year old cannot wrap their mind around what pride is. Why are we making? Yeah. Completely normal

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comments because this is America. And you have your first amendment, right? Sharing my opinion or

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to sharing my opinion and, well, the right students found that. Um, and they air dropped that video

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across campus and of course made it into a phobic thing and made it into a hate thing. Um,

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and I was just blocking and deleting as I was receiving comments from students because I don't,

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you know, I'm a teacher. I don't want them on my page. They shouldn't be there. Um,

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and I didn't want any trouble. Well, after I had deleted one of the comments, they came back and

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said too late, we've sent this into the district. So this is intimidation and bullying now. So

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the, uh, the woke world that says bullying is terrible. They're masters at bullying.

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And the woke world that says, uh, don't criticize me. You have to accept me. They cannot,

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they can't accept anybody that's outside of their lane. And their lane is very, very petite or

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very narrow. Um, and I'll just throw this in there. It's because they're extremely fragile.

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Um, they bent, they break when they bend, they, they have no ability to cope. And eventually

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they're going to have to go into the real world, which they will not make it. They, they will fail

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because they haven't learned how to debate. They haven't learned how to cope.

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Uh, they, they are the same equivalency to what you used to see at Toys R Us when they were in

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business of a, of a three year old or a five year old screaming and slapping their mother in the

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toy aisle because they wanted that toy and mommy said no. And so, um, the remarkable thing is that

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you're exercising your first amendment constitutional rights and everything about

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what you're doing is private, but, um, they went and made it, um, a, a public thing in the sense

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that you can't do this. You, how dare you? Right. As a, as a teacher, I should not have stated

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my opinions. And that amazing. So as a, on your private page, you are a mom, you are a,

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an equestrian, a gal with the horse and you're living your life and they, they, they insert

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what they're imposing upon you then is these are the rules of the school or the administration.

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And we're imposing that upon your, your private social media platform. 24, 7, not so not just

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when you're at work. We are holding you to this at all times if you're going to be a teacher.

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So do other teachers know this is going on? Yes. Yes, they are. They're coming aware of it because

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of my story getting out. Good. So after, um, those videos and also several posts, this is what,

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this is a really confirmed that this is spiritual warfare for me, um, totally facing spiritual warfare,

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like I've never faced it before. At least to my recognition was when I was brought into the

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school district for the first meeting and they presented me with what students had found on the

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various things on social media. They sent into the district at the back of this packet of papers

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which had several allegations. So essentially students found things they didn't like on my social

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media and then use those to craft allegations against me as a teacher. A couple of them being that

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I broadcast sermons to my classes. And I've just looked at the district personnel and I was like,

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I'm going to be so honest with you. This is the only thing I can think of that this allegation

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would be made upon. I'm a PE teacher on Mondays. We go to the track and they have a mile to do and

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that's the one day I let them listen to a podcast or music of their choosing and I do the same.

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But I don't put in headphones like they do because I need to be vigilant. But I put on

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oh no or worship music or you know something of my choosing. You don't want to hear what they put on

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the students. And it's just loud enough in my pocket. It's not blaring. It's not being broadcast. It's

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just loud enough so I can hear it as I walk around and watch my students. And so interesting too

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because I've had several students as they walk by comment like, oh I love that song or what church

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do you go to? And it's you know kind of been great to strike up conversation with some of my

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students. But then all of a sudden the students found my social media and found my other opinions

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and beliefs and went to work crafting allegations against me. And anyways what I was starting to get

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at the back of that packet was printouts of screenshots the students sent into the district.

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Several of them were Bible verses I posted on my Instagram and I'm just thinking

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are they really using Bible verses to back like these allegations against me?

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Yeah because the Bible is so dangerous and evil you know. Yes. Yes. And how could we have such a thing?

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You know it's amazing to me what you're describing and it's said because what I'm going to say

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it the young the young people are not going to understand what I'm going to say because they've

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never been taught is you are literally describing these kids as being brown shirts. These are the brown

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shirts of Adolf Hitler's Nazi regime. Brown shirts were children who were taught by the system to

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turn people in. Wow. They're called brown shirts. So I'm just going to call them brown shirts.

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Normally these kids would normally be more concerned about their acne or their hair.

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That was me. That was me. Or are they going to pass or they are they I'm not going to make the

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team. What is really bizarre to what you're saying is these are kids who are little police officers

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which makes them brown shirts that I can't imagine that happening unless

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what happened to the brown shirts of the 40s 1940s they were groomed by adults. They were told

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so to speak I'm exaggerating right now but we'll give you a donut or we'll give you a candy or

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a piece of chocolate. If you tell us if you hear people saying these things and they turn people in

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and so it's amazing because we're living in this this moment. So the only way to stop this

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you've probably seen this on on the P.E. field or in the classrooms but the only way to stop what

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we're talking about is for good people to punch back and you say I can't believe a pastor just

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said that well you need to get used to it because in 1st Corinthians 106 I'm sorry 2nd

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Corinthians 106 the Bible tells us that by our obedience to Christ we punish disobedience

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which means we're to do the right thing and if that right thing causes evil to be exposed that's

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the whole point. So what I want to say about Jessica is that she's courageous, she's strong,

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she knows not only her biblical calling, she's exposing evil but she's also exercising her

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first amendment rights. In America she has that right to do exactly what she's doing technically,

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technically those brown shirt little punks do not have the right to do what they're doing.

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They've been groomed by a social structure that is a form of communalism, communism and that's

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what's happening and so teachers you need to stand up you need to do what Jessica's doing. In fact

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Jessica what are you doing? Yes so after that first meeting that I kind of described the allegations

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and the Bible verse printouts and all of that I responded to all of those vocally and then they

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took some time to process what I voiced based on the allegations and then essentially decided what

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they were going to do with me called me in for a second meeting and basically told me I'm lucky to

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still have a job what I had done was so serious and wrong. Okay that's intimidation but keep going.

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And it was it felt really awful to hear that from these district personnel because

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before all this they respected me they adored me I've done so much for the district I think I was a student

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there, straight A student there, athlete, lifeguard, sub coach all the things but because of this one

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finding it was like I saw their whole vision of me just flip and it's like a mask

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switched on their career. Yeah and it was instantly like even if you are calling me back I don't

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I wouldn't even feel comfortable coming back you clearly like don't like me anymore. Yeah it's not

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so well I'm sorry to put words in your mouth but if I were your attorney for example I would say

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something to the effect of if they invited you back they they previously already made it clear

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that your views are not welcome and what we are as human beings is our views and so the

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environment is not a free environment. Hi Jessica welcome back but you're not free.

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Right. Hi welcome back but you cannot express your personal views and you cannot be an American.

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You cannot exercise the constitution and you've got to be woke if you want to keep your job.

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So all of these things are actually illegal for that to be imposed upon you but

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Yes and that's exactly what happened in the second meeting they said I was lucky to have my

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job back I was barely allowed to come back here are the directives you need to follow and we're

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going to be watching you closely for 45 days for change of behavior and that right away change

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of behavior I've behaved the same way for six years of teaching I have nothing to change so

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you're not going to find any change of behavior there and then the directives were

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affirmation for me of what I was already feeling in my soul about the whole situation so first a

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directive that I knew well I can't and won't do that is I need to refer to students by their

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preferred pronoun and gender and in the meeting I wasn't voicing to them nope not doing that

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no I was just internalizing all of it as they spoke their directives over me for returning

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that Monday the second allegation was I was to refrain from speaking to students about God or

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the Bible that's illegal that really hurt my soul so I'm sorry I keep interrupting you but it's

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because I find your this is incredibly fascinating so you are to hold to the social construct that

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we are inventing you will do as we say and you should be so lucky that we're going to be so

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nice to you to allow you to come back but we are going to dictate your life and we are going to

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scrub this God thing out of your life when most people don't even realize that the public school

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system was founded by three guys one of them happened to be in a guy by the name of Thomas Jefferson

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Benjamin Rush was was another one and I think John Adams is in there but whoever the third

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guy is is a real big hitter and their their founding of the public school system was based on this

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there are people homeschooling their kids in colonial America and some of them are not teaching

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them the Bible so we're going to create the public school system and the Bible will be the

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preeminent textbook as well as the McGuffee reader these will be the foundations of the public school

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system because some kids are not getting a biblical worldview that's Thomas Jefferson friends go

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look that up and now our system has divorced itself from God and you are in this machine that is

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godless and what's interesting about what they're telling you to do they're actually

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doing what they claim nobody's allowed to do and that is you got to stay out of politics you

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got to stay out of politics what they're doing is pure politics okay and their political agenda is

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you will submit which is actually tyrannical and so you were fired yes so after receiving those

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directives so those were the the two that I previously voiced those were the two instantly

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like inside I knew I'm not complying with those and they also vocally in that second meeting with

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the presentation of directives vocally told me that I had to lie to parents if a student came to

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me with a preferred gender or pronoun that info had to be withheld from parents for the sake of

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the student's privacy and I was so taken back by that that I looked at the assistant superintendent

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in the eyes and I said are you asking me to lie to parents and they said yes it's the law it's for

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the student's privacy so that's a subversion of parental authority they told you to lie and I

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said we're talking about the well-being information regarding the well-being of a child and they

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said yeah exactly you don't you don't understand there's some students where when their

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parents find out they kick them out of the house it's known to first of all that may or may not be

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true I have no input on that I have no knowledge of that but that's not their concern their concern

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is math right geography let's leave home at home yeah yeah exactly so I'm assuming now our system

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and by the way those of you listen do you think this is a California issue to national issue

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somebody just told me last night oh we're moving to we're moving to Tennessee we're moving to

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Nashville where we don't have these we're getting out of California we're moving to Nashville

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and it was so bizarre because I told the guy said well that's funny about four days ago I just

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talked to somebody who moved to Nashville and they were talking about how insanely woke their

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school system is and it was worse than California so the point is it's a national this is a national

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battle and by the way we want to make this a national battle we want Jessica to be an encouragement

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to you the Bible tells us and in Joshua chapter one uh God tells Joshua over and over again and

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just one chapter be strong and of good courage do not be afraid for I'm with you wherever you go

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he keeps telling Joshua that Joshua the great first general of the Israeli forces

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God has to keep telling them be strong and of good courage don't be afraid why because Joshua

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was prone to be discouraged and to be afraid God doesn't waste his breath and so

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all of you who are in the public school system we've got to figure out unless there's maybe there's

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something out there right now forming but there's got to be some form of an alliance that maybe

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Jessica can invent and take it national right take it nationally to have it be like you know almost

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the the national school teachers reporting center where you bring your Jessica story and

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let's get these incredible agencies that will represent you in court for free there's there's

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the Pacific Justice Institute there's advocates for faith and freedom there's the alliance

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uh for for defending alliance defending freedom fund there's there's uh liberty counsel there's

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so many that are waiting to hear but listen we're gonna lose our system uh to what I was alluding

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to early and I didn't finish this I guess is you're gonna be bullied until you stand up to the

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bully this is human psychology a bully will push a kid around all school year long until that kid

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we've all watched movies like this haven't we sand lot movies like this where the kid finally

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gets fed up and punches the bully in the nose and then from that time on the bully leaves the guy

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alone every boy knows this by the way every every first grade boy knows that you punch the bully

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in the nose and then the rest of the school years fine well there's a lot of people now who are

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school teachers and or administrators that are just nothing but overgrown bullies and they're

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intimidating you know you have a bully on your hands when they threaten and intimidate you

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in our nation right now you can punch them back by legal means if you're a Christian get friends

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praying read your Bible read the book of Joshua read the book of Proverbs at the same time get on

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the phone and get a very very strong attorney and what you do is you do what Paul the Apostle did

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you exercise your Roman rights Paul exercised his Roman rights when he as a Roman citizen

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was attacked he said I appeal to Caesar only a Roman citizen could do that and listen the authorities

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in cesarea they were bound to then file documents sending Paul to Rome they had to that was the law

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Paul used the law of the Roman Empire to advance his cause and Paul went to Rome and you need to

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do the same thing you need to know hey wait a minute I'm a school teacher this is my life this is

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my love I'm being told that I cannot have a Bible on my desk oh yeah you can it's your constitutional

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right they're threatened to sue me or they just fired me or they're telling me this or they're

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telling me that there needs to be some form of place for you to go to so this is so vitally important

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we need to I'm so sorry we need to wrap this up but tell us where you're at what are you doing now

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tell us about going forward and what you hope to see happen yeah so just really quick before

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that the third meeting was after I took three months of stress leave to figure out what I was going

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to do next regarding the directives new in my heart and soul I wasn't going to comply with several

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of them do I resign or do I as you stated you know stand up to the beast yep and I actually for

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most of the months was planning to resign had half of a resignation letter written in for some

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reason could never get around to finishing it and it was I was so stressed out one day

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and I was telling my mother-in-law I just I need to finish this letter like I have three little

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ones so I was never able to sit down and type and she just was like just there's probably a reason

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that you haven't been able to finish it just trust and then maybe I just started praying and then

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maybe a day or two after that had a divine appointment of a phone call with a couple in Washington

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that I had only connected with through Instagram got very close to the wife because of her faith

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and they spoke over me I really want to say prophesied over me and they they gave me the answer

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that I was praying for asking God do I resign or do I vocalize to the district that I won't comply

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with these things I'm ready to come back to work but here's what I won't do and they said don't

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resign you keep standing up to resign would have been to quit and sad to say there's been a lot of

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really good people that I know that they didn't come and ask they didn't come and get prayer they

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came and told me I quit and I just kind of cringe when I hear that because I love what Winston

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Churchill said he said it's always too soon to quit you know and so we're so proud of you

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how do is there anything that we you so you're going to court yeah yes we're still waiting

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for the right to sue letter which was new for me I didn't know that you had to have a right to sue

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but we're waiting for that from EEOC and then from there we will begin litigating in the Riverside

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County Court and for now just you know spreading the story far and wide and I already see many

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parents I believe waking up to what's really happening in in the school system I have hundreds of

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messages from teachers that are either have shared their very inspired by what I've done or they've

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shared with me that they were in a similar position and resigned which makes me sad but and then

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I actually have several teachers that are going through this with me like currently having to make

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the decision and so I'm encouraging them to stand up is there a do you have a what how do people

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reach out to us is it I know it's all happening so fast are you ready for that do you have that

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on my Instagram is where I keep everyone up today yeah it's my Instagram name is just underscore

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saying so it's J-E-S-S underscore S-A-Y-I-N-N-N just saying okay we'll make sure that that's that

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appears and people get that really quick you have been bombarded with media you I'm not exactly

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sure when this podcast is going to drop but probably by that time you will that have been on numerous

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news and radio interviews and all but one of them will be Tucker Carlson yes that's set for

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the 27th I believe that's Monday 27th of February this is huge because he has the largest viewing

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audience so just think about that millions of people are going to hear this and I pray I pray

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that out of the millions that there is at least a million or 500,000 school teachers that are

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going to say you know what wow I need to defend what I love and here's the here's the thing when good

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people abandon the public square or when good people just shut down evil fills that void

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evil rushes in it's just the way evil works when light goes out darkness comes if you notice that

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when you turn off your light and your room darkness comes it's ended amazing when you turn the light

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switch on where does darkness darkness go I mean think about it because light itself is a physical

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structure I mean these are photons that actually fill up a room where did darkness go

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and by you standing you are dispelling the darkness and I want to talk to every Christian or at

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least good teacher that's out there you have to be a Christian to be a good teacher if you love

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the kids and you love teaching and this is going on to you or if it's or it will happen to you you

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need to stand you need to stand because these are the days evil advances like the thug on the on

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the campus who's pushing people around and we have got to figure out as God honoring Bible believing

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submitted committed Christians how to exercise as Paul did his freedoms for the cause of Christ

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and so I want everyone to be praying for Jessica please this is a prayer request that you would

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pray for her that you would stay and in tune with what's happening and follow we'll do a follow-up

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podcast as time progresses but I just really want to just pray that your legal counsel is

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absolutely lie and hearted your legal counsel must be like a dog on a bone so as they say a

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relentless and so we pray for your legal counsel we pray for you we pray for these poor kids who

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are being manipulated by frankly people that I have just about zero respect for these people who

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manipulate kids to spy and to promote their godless agenda there should be shame written all over

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them but you know the way that we must come back this is to stand in the truth and to exercise our

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freedoms while we have them and so we're impressed and I just I'm so grateful for you and I just

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know that God is going to use this he will never waste the opportunity to glorify his name through

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a yielded child of his and that's who you are we love you we're with you and so I am just

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absolutely so so grateful so you guys stay tuned this has been powerful my goodness I just this

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is no pun intended but this is real life what Jessica's talking about and and it's it's amazing

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and so it's it's time for you and I to live out what it is that we believe in and it is time for

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real life and it's exactly what Jessica's doing so listen as always we're asking you please you

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