WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:03.900 Today, Dr. Frank Turk joins me. Frank is an American 2 00:00:03.900 --> 00:00:07.100 apologist, author, radio host, and a good friend of mine. 3 00:00:07.100 --> 00:00:09.740 And we're going to sit down and talk about something very 4 00:00:09.740 --> 00:00:14.100 raw and very real. It's going to be a conversation about 5 00:00:14.100 --> 00:00:17.900 California State Assembly Bill 2223. Now, if you're not 6 00:00:17.900 --> 00:00:20.700 aware of it, you need to stay tuned because it's coming to a 7 00:00:20.700 --> 00:00:24.800 state near you if it's not stopped here. So we're going to be 8 00:00:24.800 --> 00:00:28.200 dropping some pretty huge truth bombs. And I got to tell 9 00:00:28.200 --> 00:00:32.000 you, if you're a pastor, parts of this conversation may be 10 00:00:32.000 --> 00:00:34.600 uncomfortable for you. But listen, that's what we're here 11 00:00:34.600 --> 00:00:38.000 for to speak truth. 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To us, that's like saying amen 21 00:01:16.200 --> 00:01:20.000 or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. 22 00:01:20.600 --> 00:01:24.000 Now, open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. 23 00:01:25.000 --> 00:01:32.500 Assembly Bill 2223 was authored by Oakland Assemblywoman 24 00:01:32.500 --> 00:01:37.500 Buffy Wix and Buffy Wix is working in conjunction with 25 00:01:37.500 --> 00:01:42.100 Governor Gavin Newsom. It came about because Newsom immediately 26 00:01:42.100 --> 00:01:47.100 when he saw that the US Supreme Court could possibly overturn 27 00:01:47.100 --> 00:01:52.600 Roe v Wade, he went into overdrive on evil. And so there was 28 00:01:52.600 --> 00:01:57.200 this collusion in Sacramento to quickly get ahead, get 29 00:01:57.200 --> 00:02:02.200 something on the books that would enshrine murder in California 30 00:02:02.200 --> 00:02:05.700 should they lose Roe v Wade nationally? You got to remember 31 00:02:05.700 --> 00:02:11.100 Frank, I'm currently in a lawsuit, which I'll be a testifying 32 00:02:11.100 --> 00:02:15.400 soon and we assume to go to the US Supreme Court. I'm in a 33 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:18.400 lawsuit right now because I sued the governor of California 34 00:02:18.400 --> 00:02:22.000 because our health insurance programs in California have to 35 00:02:22.000 --> 00:02:27.400 provide elective abortion funding. I refuse to do that. We 36 00:02:27.400 --> 00:02:30.300 lost our health care coverage. So I'm currently in a lawsuit. 37 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:37.400 And that is now coming up. Why? Why did we do this? Because as a 38 00:02:37.400 --> 00:02:42.700 church as a Christian and as a concerned citizen, if we don't 39 00:02:42.700 --> 00:02:45.800 stand for the sanctity of life, I mean, this is the line I 40 00:02:45.800 --> 00:02:48.800 believe from the Old Testament to this moment where God makes 41 00:02:48.800 --> 00:02:51.800 it very clear, if you're going to sacrifice your children, 42 00:02:51.800 --> 00:02:54.800 that's where I've had enough of you as a state or a nation. 43 00:02:55.100 --> 00:03:00.800 And I am going to shake my robe as it were off of you off of 44 00:03:00.800 --> 00:03:04.400 my robe in judgment. And I think we're right at that point. 45 00:03:04.900 --> 00:03:09.400 So we've gotten to this this issue now, Frank, where as we 46 00:03:09.400 --> 00:03:13.100 discussed on this program, your listeners are highly 47 00:03:13.100 --> 00:03:16.700 educated and engaged. They're going to find it a challenge 48 00:03:16.700 --> 00:03:20.500 to believe that you and I are actually speaking truth. I've 49 00:03:20.500 --> 00:03:26.200 been in media all two weeks, print and TV. And they can't 50 00:03:26.200 --> 00:03:29.600 believe it. And frankly, I find it hard to believe. But we've 51 00:03:29.600 --> 00:03:33.700 read the bill. ADF has read the bill Pacific Justice Institute 52 00:03:33.700 --> 00:03:37.700 has read the bill. And it's insane. 53 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:42.900 They're actually going to allow the death of babies up to 30 54 00:03:42.900 --> 00:03:45.900 or 28 or 30 days after birth. Is that right, Jack? 55 00:03:46.500 --> 00:03:51.600 Technically, it's 28 based upon the definition of perinatal. 56 00:03:52.100 --> 00:03:56.200 Here's what here's what happened. When the bill was put 57 00:03:56.200 --> 00:04:00.600 forward to the judiciary committee, which it passed, you got 58 00:04:00.600 --> 00:04:05.300 to remember, California has a supermajority of Democrats. 59 00:04:05.300 --> 00:04:09.100 The Democrats have ruled this state. And to be honest with 60 00:04:09.100 --> 00:04:11.800 you, even when Arnold Schwarzenegger was our governor, he was 61 00:04:11.800 --> 00:04:14.400 really a Republican, he was a Democrat, what there are in 62 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:18.600 the back of his name. So let's remember that when they 63 00:04:18.600 --> 00:04:23.800 crafted this bill, we have spies up in Sacramento and they 64 00:04:23.800 --> 00:04:27.600 tipped us off immediately to it. And so we made it public. 65 00:04:27.600 --> 00:04:31.900 And Buffy Wicks amended the bill. And when she amended 66 00:04:32.400 --> 00:04:35.600 ADF said it was a genius brilliant amendment because what 67 00:04:35.600 --> 00:04:40.300 she did was she made the bill even more vague to avoid the 68 00:04:40.300 --> 00:04:44.100 stigma of what we were calling it. And that was the 69 00:04:44.100 --> 00:04:48.700 infanticide bill, which is exactly what it is. She countered 70 00:04:48.700 --> 00:04:52.100 and said, this is not an infanticide. That how horrible, how 71 00:04:52.100 --> 00:04:56.500 could you accuse me of this? So she wrote the word perinatal 72 00:04:57.100 --> 00:05:04.100 perinatal covers a baby that is born dead, still birth, all 73 00:05:04.100 --> 00:05:08.700 the way out to a baby that might die from SIDS sudden infant 74 00:05:08.700 --> 00:05:13.900 death syndrome. Listen, or any other reason watch this. Here's 75 00:05:13.900 --> 00:05:20.500 where we get into the weeds. Out to 28 days, perinatal death 76 00:05:20.500 --> 00:05:25.700 is the term that she's using. But interestingly enough, in the 77 00:05:25.700 --> 00:05:32.700 law, it says, any child born and dies within 28 days, that 78 00:05:32.700 --> 00:05:37.400 death cannot be investigated by law enforcement because of 79 00:05:37.400 --> 00:05:42.900 their prejudice to blame the mother that it's unfair, it would 80 00:05:42.900 --> 00:05:48.800 be unjust. So the bill not only legalizes the murdering of a 81 00:05:48.800 --> 00:05:53.700 child born into this world, but it ties the hands of law 82 00:05:53.700 --> 00:05:57.600 enforcement. You say, Jack, you're making it up. If I'm making 83 00:05:57.600 --> 00:06:01.600 it up, why did I spend three hours on the phone yesterday on 84 00:06:01.600 --> 00:06:07.700 Thursday, with the California law enforcement officers 85 00:06:07.700 --> 00:06:13.100 association as they are forming a group to testify against 86 00:06:13.100 --> 00:06:17.300 this bill because they understand Frank that the bill reads 87 00:06:17.300 --> 00:06:23.100 that they could be held liable if the woman in any way, shape 88 00:06:23.100 --> 00:06:26.800 or form, feels that she's being accused, that she's being 89 00:06:26.800 --> 00:06:32.300 discriminated against or her life is being passed in 90 00:06:32.300 --> 00:06:39.400 dispersion on this death. So a woman can actually basically 91 00:06:39.400 --> 00:06:43.300 kill her baby in the first 28 days. And if anybody investigates 92 00:06:43.300 --> 00:06:47.300 her, they could be liable. They could be persecuted or 93 00:06:47.300 --> 00:06:50.500 prosecuted, I should say. This is going on in California 94 00:06:51.000 --> 00:06:56.900 It's coming to your state. If you do not do something now, who 95 00:06:56.900 --> 00:06:59.500 knows what's going to happen? Hey, I have something for you. 96 00:06:59.500 --> 00:07:03.100 It's compact, but it's powerful and it packs a punch. It's a 97 00:07:03.100 --> 00:07:06.300 booklet that we've put out called Countdown All Eyes on 98 00:07:06.300 --> 00:07:09.800 God's ultimate endgame. But what does that mean? In light of 99 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:12.700 what's going on in the world around us, I have never seen the 100 00:07:12.700 --> 00:07:17.100 pieces coming together so well and so aligned according to 101 00:07:17.300 --> 00:07:20.300 Bible prophecy, like we see right now in these end times. 102 00:07:20.500 --> 00:07:24.300 Are we living in the last days? 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There's no way 113 00:08:02.500 --> 00:08:05.200 you're getting around this friends. This is what's going on. 114 00:08:05.500 --> 00:08:09.800 My question is other than Jack Kibs and a few other pastors who 115 00:08:09.800 --> 00:08:12.700 were in Sacramento the other day to fight this. Where are the 116 00:08:12.700 --> 00:08:16.600 pastors in California? Where are the pastors in the neighboring 117 00:08:16.600 --> 00:08:21.500 states? Where's your pastor on this? All right, is jack, 118 00:08:21.500 --> 00:08:28.600 why aren't more pastors concerned and vocal about the actual 119 00:08:29.000 --> 00:08:30.600 killing of infants? 120 00:08:31.900 --> 00:08:35.200 Man, Frank, I've been asking that question for a long time. We've 121 00:08:35.200 --> 00:08:38.700 been standing up against darkness in the political realm for a 122 00:08:38.700 --> 00:08:42.100 long time. You know, I don't know how to answer that because 123 00:08:42.400 --> 00:08:46.600 we saw the precursor or I should say the sifting during 124 00:08:46.600 --> 00:08:50.100 COVID. Where were the pastors during COVID? Where were the 125 00:08:50.100 --> 00:08:52.900 pastors? When Gavin Newsom said, you will not open your 126 00:08:52.900 --> 00:08:57.700 church and you will not sing as a group in worship. To me, 127 00:08:57.700 --> 00:09:02.000 that was like those are fight words when I understand my 128 00:09:02.000 --> 00:09:07.600 Bible. We know what this governor and his parties all about. 129 00:09:07.600 --> 00:09:11.500 And yet, now we've reached a point where in a post COVID 130 00:09:11.500 --> 00:09:16.500 world, post shutdown, post mass, post vaccine, all this kind 131 00:09:16.500 --> 00:09:21.500 of stuff, now it seems as though, and I want to believe it's not 132 00:09:21.500 --> 00:09:24.300 true, but it seems like there's so few that are willing to 133 00:09:24.300 --> 00:09:27.300 stand. I am hoping, Frank, that through your program and 134 00:09:27.300 --> 00:09:31.900 others, these guys hear about it and get engaged. If they don't 135 00:09:31.900 --> 00:09:35.700 Frank, then I believe based upon scripture that we're living 136 00:09:35.800 --> 00:09:39.100 in the last days, good evil, good is called evil is called 137 00:09:39.100 --> 00:09:43.400 good. And that apathy would prevail in the church in the last 138 00:09:43.400 --> 00:09:47.700 days. And that that there would be pastors that are idle 139 00:09:47.700 --> 00:09:52.400 shepherds. They get a check. They have a pension. They show up 140 00:09:52.400 --> 00:09:56.800 on Sunday. And then they go for they go surfing. And that's 141 00:09:56.800 --> 00:10:00.200 about it. They don't get involved, Frank and politics. We 142 00:10:00.200 --> 00:10:04.100 preach the gospel. That's all I hear when I challenge these 143 00:10:04.100 --> 00:10:07.900 guys, we just preach the gospel. And Frank, that's the 144 00:10:07.900 --> 00:10:12.500 problem. Let's talk, let's talk about that, Jack, because 145 00:10:12.500 --> 00:10:15.800 there are objections that people will bring up, you know, if 146 00:10:15.800 --> 00:10:18.500 you start getting to political, Jack, you're going to turn 147 00:10:18.500 --> 00:10:20.700 people off to the gospel. What do you say to that? 148 00:10:21.300 --> 00:10:27.000 Yeah, I understand that you do not want to get political for 149 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:32.700 political sake. And I always try to make that a point. I always 150 00:10:32.800 --> 00:10:37.600 go to this, Frank, God, God invented marriage, God invented 151 00:10:37.600 --> 00:10:41.900 the church and God invented government. What we're dealing 152 00:10:41.900 --> 00:10:46.200 with in California is not government. We're dealing with 153 00:10:46.200 --> 00:10:50.900 politics that has invaded the sanctity of God given authority. 154 00:10:50.900 --> 00:10:56.200 Romans 13 says that those who are in power have been granted 155 00:10:56.200 --> 00:11:00.300 the power by God to do good. But when that power decides to 156 00:11:00.400 --> 00:11:04.400 do evil with that good, the church is to step in and to say 157 00:11:04.400 --> 00:11:08.200 it's better for us to obey God rather than man. I believe 158 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:11.000 without being political, Frank, the church should hold our 159 00:11:11.000 --> 00:11:14.800 elected officials in this republic accountable. And so 160 00:11:14.800 --> 00:11:17.800 that's what we're doing. We are fighting for righteousness. 161 00:11:17.800 --> 00:11:21.300 That's my comeback. I would say to the pastor, pastor, please 162 00:11:21.300 --> 00:11:24.200 explain to me, after you're done teaching and you turn your 163 00:11:24.200 --> 00:11:27.400 people loose, have you taught them to go out on Monday 164 00:11:27.400 --> 00:11:31.600 morning and do righteousness? What does that mean? What does 165 00:11:31.600 --> 00:11:34.600 that look like? What is what does it mean when the scripture 166 00:11:34.600 --> 00:11:38.800 says that the church went out and they went all about doing 167 00:11:38.800 --> 00:11:43.200 good? And that's what we need to challenge pastors about. It's 168 00:11:43.200 --> 00:11:46.200 not just them delivering a message on Sunday and looking cool 169 00:11:46.200 --> 00:11:50.200 on Facebook or YouTube. It's equipping their people to go and 170 00:11:50.200 --> 00:11:53.700 be disciples. So yes, we preach the gospel. And Frank, here's 171 00:11:53.800 --> 00:11:57.500 the deal. You know us, we've not changed one bit over the 172 00:11:57.500 --> 00:12:01.800 decades. But we have 19,000 people show up last Sunday. 173 00:12:03.400 --> 00:12:07.500 And and that's probably double what it was prior to COVID 174 00:12:07.900 --> 00:12:12.500 because when COVID hit Jack after a couple of months, I think 175 00:12:12.800 --> 00:12:14.700 pastors did the right thing initially. We didn't know if 176 00:12:14.700 --> 00:12:18.700 this was Ebola, right? We didn't know. Okay, let's 10 days 177 00:12:18.700 --> 00:12:22.400 to flatten the curve. We're with you. Okay. But after about 178 00:12:22.500 --> 00:12:24.300 two months of that, Jack, you said, I don't care what the 179 00:12:24.300 --> 00:12:28.200 governor says, we're supposed to meet together. You opened up. 180 00:12:28.200 --> 00:12:31.600 And I remember I think I was there maybe six, eight months 181 00:12:31.600 --> 00:12:35.800 after you did that, Jack. And people actually came up to me at 182 00:12:35.800 --> 00:12:38.300 the book table and said, I drove three hours to be here. 183 00:12:38.600 --> 00:12:43.400 Because my my church is in open. This church is the only one 184 00:12:43.400 --> 00:12:47.200 open. And and you've doubled or tripled since then. And 185 00:12:47.200 --> 00:12:49.600 you're going through the Bible with people who haven't heard 186 00:12:49.600 --> 00:12:52.800 the Bible before. So you're you're preaching Romans on set on 187 00:12:52.800 --> 00:12:56.400 Sunday morning, Hebrews on Wednesday night. And the response 188 00:12:56.400 --> 00:12:57.400 has been overwhelming. 189 00:12:57.800 --> 00:13:00.400 We've been packed out and these people for example, who have 190 00:13:00.400 --> 00:13:04.300 been churched have now they have such a hunger for the word of 191 00:13:04.300 --> 00:13:07.300 God because a reality slapped him in the face and they found out 192 00:13:07.300 --> 00:13:10.600 that they didn't have a foundation that five steps to a happy 193 00:13:10.600 --> 00:13:15.300 day is not going to get you through a crisis. And so I you know 194 00:13:15.300 --> 00:13:18.800 me, I told you this privately that I deliberately stopped 195 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:22.400 where we were at. And I said, look everybody, I'm going to go to 196 00:13:22.400 --> 00:13:27.200 Romans. And I'm going to go to Hebrews, the New Testament, you 197 00:13:27.200 --> 00:13:32.100 know, holes of the Magna Carta of New Testament doctrine just 198 00:13:32.100 --> 00:13:35.500 shake the tree so that we didn't have any lucky lose hanging 199 00:13:35.500 --> 00:13:39.200 around. Because I believe time is short, they needed to hear the 200 00:13:39.200 --> 00:13:42.800 truth. And if people left, that's a that's between them and 201 00:13:42.800 --> 00:13:46.400 God. But the exact opposite happened, Frank, you know that people 202 00:13:46.400 --> 00:13:50.000 began flocking to find out, what does the Bible really say? And 203 00:13:50.400 --> 00:13:54.300 yeah, I mean, for crying out loud Wednesday nights, you know, 204 00:13:54.300 --> 00:14:00.800 Wednesday nights, we're pushing 25 2700 people in the room on 205 00:14:00.800 --> 00:14:05.300 Wednesday nights, because we're hungry for truth. You know, our 206 00:14:05.300 --> 00:14:08.900 mutual friend Tony Perkins has said this, that if you as a 207 00:14:08.900 --> 00:14:13.000 pastor begin to preach to the issues of the day as they come up 208 00:14:13.000 --> 00:14:15.900 in the scriptures, or even if you do a topical sermon, and you 209 00:14:15.900 --> 00:14:18.600 don't shy away from the truth, whether it's political or not, 210 00:14:18.600 --> 00:14:20.600 you just get out there and say, this is the truth, you don't 211 00:14:20.600 --> 00:14:23.500 like it, sorry, I'm just the messenger, right? This is from 212 00:14:23.500 --> 00:14:26.800 God, okay? If you do that, you are going to lose some people. 213 00:14:26.800 --> 00:14:29.400 But guess what? You're going to gain a lot more. And those 214 00:14:29.400 --> 00:14:32.800 people are going to be truly devoted disciples of Jesus. And 215 00:14:32.800 --> 00:14:35.800 Jack, your church is a testimony to that. You doubled in the 216 00:14:35.800 --> 00:14:39.600 past two years because you're not backing down one of these 217 00:14:39.600 --> 00:14:42.400 pastors. And by the way, we don't do it to get big crowds 218 00:14:42.500 --> 00:14:46.600 quite obviously. We do it because it's the truth. And so few 219 00:14:46.600 --> 00:14:49.500 people are preaching the truth, Jack, encouraged the pastors 220 00:14:49.500 --> 00:14:52.100 listening right now, encouraged the people in the pews that 221 00:14:52.100 --> 00:14:55.100 they need to demand truth, regardless of whether it touches on 222 00:14:55.100 --> 00:14:59.500 politics or not. I'll encourage them the way I encourage myself. 223 00:14:59.500 --> 00:15:03.200 You know, David said, I believe in Psalm 43, it's almost as 224 00:15:03.200 --> 00:15:06.900 though he looked down his robe. Remember? And he said, why aren't 225 00:15:06.900 --> 00:15:11.700 that cast down on my soul? Hope that when God for he is our 226 00:15:11.700 --> 00:15:15.300 strength. And that's that's what I would say to the pastors 227 00:15:15.300 --> 00:15:19.100 that are watching right now is this challenge. Do you believe 228 00:15:19.100 --> 00:15:23.500 that Jesus meant what he said when he said my sheep hear my 229 00:15:23.500 --> 00:15:29.900 voice? They follow me. We are ordered to give them the flock or 230 00:15:29.900 --> 00:15:34.900 the world, the voice of Jesus. How do we do that? The word of 231 00:15:34.900 --> 00:15:39.100 God, chapter by chapter, verse by verse, if we do that, then 232 00:15:39.100 --> 00:15:42.300 God's people, the Holy Spirit will make sure that his people 233 00:15:42.600 --> 00:15:45.600 hear that word and they'll come to the truth. The last thing 234 00:15:45.600 --> 00:15:49.600 you want at this time of church history is a church full of 235 00:15:49.600 --> 00:15:52.100 people who really don't know what they believe or why they 236 00:15:52.100 --> 00:15:55.200 believe it. But I feel good when I go to church and makes me 237 00:15:55.200 --> 00:16:00.300 feel good. Listen, we are called to make disciples and all we 238 00:16:00.400 --> 00:16:05.300 are responsible to do is to disciple them in the word of 239 00:16:05.300 --> 00:16:09.400 God, not in what's hip, not in what's cool. And when you tell 240 00:16:09.400 --> 00:16:13.100 them that, when you go out next Sunday and say, I am here to 241 00:16:13.100 --> 00:16:18.700 make you get closer to Jesus Christ by presenting the unadulterated 242 00:16:18.700 --> 00:16:22.300 word of God. And I trust this morning family of God that the 243 00:16:22.300 --> 00:16:26.940 Holy Spirit takes these words and staples them to your soul. 244 00:16:26.940 --> 00:16:30.440 That's why I am here. If you don't want this, remove me as a 245 00:16:30.440 --> 00:16:35.340 pastor or don't come back. But let's stand and let's open our 246 00:16:35.340 --> 00:16:38.940 Bibles now. Well, you do that so well. And by the way, folks, if 247 00:16:38.940 --> 00:16:42.240 you don't know the Jack Hibbs podcast is brand new, it's shot 248 00:16:42.240 --> 00:16:45.140 right to the top of the charts, even on the secular charts, 249 00:16:45.140 --> 00:16:49.240 Jack, in fact, for a while, you just had a two minute trailer 250 00:16:49.340 --> 00:16:52.740 and it was outpacing just about every other podcast people 251 00:16:52.740 --> 00:16:56.040 are going, yeah, we want to hear more from this guy. He's just 252 00:16:56.140 --> 00:16:58.940 preaching the truth. How do we get more of this? In fact, in the 253 00:16:58.940 --> 00:17:03.340 context of the Antichrist, but you said this, you said that if 254 00:17:03.340 --> 00:17:08.640 we don't have Christ in our lives, we're suckers for being 255 00:17:08.640 --> 00:17:13.140 deceived, unpack that further unpack that. Yes, funny. You know 256 00:17:13.140 --> 00:17:17.140 right right beyond my laptop here, I'm looking outside and 257 00:17:17.140 --> 00:17:19.740 believe it or not, it ran in California last night. And in my 258 00:17:19.740 --> 00:17:23.940 backyard, you're still happy. Yeah, it's a miracle. It's right 259 00:17:24.240 --> 00:17:27.440 there's little divots in the patio, little low spots and water 260 00:17:27.440 --> 00:17:32.640 has congregated there. Okay. And so where there's a void or 261 00:17:32.640 --> 00:17:36.240 where there's a low spot, things will congregate to it. So 262 00:17:36.340 --> 00:17:39.640 think about that as as a believer, that spot looked blank 263 00:17:39.640 --> 00:17:43.840 until it rained. A believer's life is filled with the 264 00:17:43.840 --> 00:17:46.940 ownership of the Holy Spirit. That void has been filled by 265 00:17:46.940 --> 00:17:52.040 the possession of Christ. He owns us. A nonbeliever doesn't 266 00:17:52.040 --> 00:17:55.440 have that. They are open to whatever comes along. Something's 267 00:17:55.440 --> 00:17:58.440 going to fill that void, Frank. And if it's not the Holy 268 00:17:58.440 --> 00:18:02.440 Spirit, you are now subject to the deception, the lies, and 269 00:18:02.440 --> 00:18:06.440 the trickery of the evil one. The Bible is very clear about 270 00:18:06.440 --> 00:18:12.240 this. And so the greatest way to ward off deception is of 271 00:18:12.240 --> 00:18:16.440 course, to have the Holy Spirit as a believer in you. Paul 272 00:18:16.440 --> 00:18:19.440 talked to the Corinthians about this, that God will not 273 00:18:19.440 --> 00:18:23.540 share the temple of the Holy Spirit, your body, your life, 274 00:18:23.940 --> 00:18:29.540 with bills above with Satan. And so you're either filled with 275 00:18:29.540 --> 00:18:33.240 the ownership of God or you're not. And if you're not, there's 276 00:18:33.240 --> 00:18:39.040 a sign hanging on you spiritually saying vacant or vacancy. And 277 00:18:39.040 --> 00:18:42.240 that's a terrifying place to live. Yeah, you said, and when 278 00:18:42.240 --> 00:18:45.140 you're talking about this, that we're open to all sorts of 279 00:18:45.140 --> 00:18:49.340 fads. I mean, look, this, this whole sexual movement is a 280 00:18:49.340 --> 00:18:53.840 fad, Jack. I mean, transgenderism. And there are people 281 00:18:53.840 --> 00:18:55.840 that obviously struggle with gender dysphoria. We're not 282 00:18:55.840 --> 00:18:59.540 minimizing them. But when you have vast swaths of the 283 00:18:59.540 --> 00:19:03.840 population, making it seem like everybody has this and that 284 00:19:03.840 --> 00:19:06.940 everybody, even young children, the Biden administration came 285 00:19:06.940 --> 00:19:09.640 out a couple of weeks ago and said children as early as three 286 00:19:09.640 --> 00:19:12.640 to five years old, if they think they're the opposite sex, you 287 00:19:12.740 --> 00:19:14.940 was a parent need to affirm them. And Jack, they went on to 288 00:19:14.940 --> 00:19:18.540 even say this that the government may come in and take that 289 00:19:18.540 --> 00:19:23.340 child from you. If you don't, this is a fad. And yet, there 290 00:19:23.340 --> 00:19:28.040 are people being actually deceived by it. And if if you're a 291 00:19:28.040 --> 00:19:30.740 Christian, you have a defense against this, Jack. 292 00:19:31.740 --> 00:19:33.740 Yeah, Frank, I'm going to share something I got to be careful. 293 00:19:33.740 --> 00:19:39.140 So I don't get sued. But there was a science camp for 294 00:19:39.140 --> 00:19:43.140 public and private schools. And you just sign up and your 295 00:19:43.140 --> 00:19:45.840 kid goes up there for three days. By the way, listen to this, 296 00:19:45.840 --> 00:19:52.540 this is a tip off. It's a science camp. But what they said 297 00:19:52.540 --> 00:19:57.340 was we're talking of third, fourth and fifth graders going 298 00:19:57.340 --> 00:20:01.140 up. And for three days, parents are not allowed to communicate 299 00:20:01.140 --> 00:20:05.740 with their kids. Okay, number one warning. Second thing was 300 00:20:05.740 --> 00:20:12.440 this that when the kids came back from the camp, they all had 301 00:20:12.440 --> 00:20:18.740 questions to their parents about what is gender identity and what 302 00:20:18.740 --> 00:20:24.940 is a LGBTQ. This was a science camp. And they actually got in 303 00:20:24.940 --> 00:20:28.440 trouble last year with another school out of Los Angeles 304 00:20:28.440 --> 00:20:32.940 School District because they wound up kids wound up coming 305 00:20:32.940 --> 00:20:36.640 back and telling this public school that they attend that 306 00:20:36.640 --> 00:20:42.840 they were being indoctrinated regarding the LGBTQ position point 307 00:20:42.840 --> 00:20:47.740 is this we have got to be extremely careful and wise. And we 308 00:20:47.740 --> 00:20:51.240 need to watch out and be directly involved in what our kids 309 00:20:51.240 --> 00:20:55.440 are learning. Point though, Frank, to your point is no kid 310 00:20:55.440 --> 00:20:58.540 thinks this up on their own. This stuff is embedded. It's 311 00:20:58.640 --> 00:21:04.840 planted in them. They deliberately drop verbiage that causes 312 00:21:04.840 --> 00:21:10.040 the kid to be curious. For example, in one of our high schools, 313 00:21:10.240 --> 00:21:13.440 the quest, this is high school now, one of the questions was 314 00:21:13.440 --> 00:21:17.140 asked by a teacher, have you ever thought about what it would 315 00:21:17.140 --> 00:21:20.940 be like almost taking cues from Katy Perry song I kissed 316 00:21:20.940 --> 00:21:23.840 a girl and I liked it? Have you ever thought about what it 317 00:21:23.840 --> 00:21:26.540 would be like if you're a girl to kiss a girl? Well, then you 318 00:21:26.540 --> 00:21:30.900 may have lesbian tendencies. This is in school. Yeah, they 319 00:21:30.900 --> 00:21:35.240 dropped it into the high schoolers. I promise you, whoever's 320 00:21:35.240 --> 00:21:38.440 watching this right now, it's happening to your kid guaranteed. 321 00:21:38.540 --> 00:21:40.940 And don't say that you sent your kid to a Christian school, so 322 00:21:40.940 --> 00:21:44.440 it's not happening. Watch out. I know a lot of pastors and 323 00:21:44.440 --> 00:21:46.840 Christians are worried about getting involved in politics. We 324 00:21:46.840 --> 00:21:50.440 talked about a little already, but I want to ask people right 325 00:21:50.440 --> 00:21:52.640 now if you're not driving to take out your iPhone or your 326 00:21:52.640 --> 00:21:56.040 droid, I want you to text or I want you to put in your your 327 00:21:56.040 --> 00:22:00.740 search engine just a few words, Korea satellite night, Korea 328 00:22:00.740 --> 00:22:04.240 satellite night. When you see that image come up, you're going 329 00:22:04.240 --> 00:22:06.640 to see a satellite picture of the Korean peninsula. You're 330 00:22:06.640 --> 00:22:09.140 going to see South Korea full of light. You're going to see 331 00:22:09.140 --> 00:22:12.940 North Korea dark and the answer for why there's a difference 332 00:22:12.940 --> 00:22:16.540 between South and North Korea is one thing. It's politics. Let 333 00:22:16.540 --> 00:22:19.140 me ask you this, what country would you rather live in? South 334 00:22:19.140 --> 00:22:21.940 Korea and North Korea. You'd rather live in South Korea. Why? 335 00:22:21.940 --> 00:22:24.240 Because they have political freedom. If you want to keep your 336 00:22:24.240 --> 00:22:27.240 political freedom, if you want to keep your ability to preach and 337 00:22:27.240 --> 00:22:30.740 teach and live the gospel, you better be involved on these 338 00:22:30.740 --> 00:22:34.540 moral issues because the government can take that stuff away 339 00:22:34.540 --> 00:22:37.640 from you if you're not engaged and Jack, you're engaged. Now, 340 00:22:37.640 --> 00:22:40.840 what kind of pushback do you get by being engaged, Jack? What 341 00:22:40.840 --> 00:22:44.840 are people say to you? Do you have people walking out? Do you 342 00:22:44.840 --> 00:22:49.640 have people coming after you? What happened when you get this 343 00:22:49.640 --> 00:22:54.440 engaged? Yeah, Frank, you might want to edit my answer. And my 344 00:22:54.440 --> 00:23:01.640 answer is this, the flock is is swarming to the church and on 345 00:23:01.640 --> 00:23:07.840 line. My greatest opposition hands down is not even from the 346 00:23:07.840 --> 00:23:12.340 the leftist and the rogue Democrats of California. Believe 347 00:23:12.340 --> 00:23:19.540 it or not, I am constantly criticized by pastors and by those 348 00:23:19.540 --> 00:23:25.040 in church leadership of other ministries that are simply 349 00:23:25.040 --> 00:23:33.640 attacking with this narrative. Politics is evil. And you are 350 00:23:33.640 --> 00:23:37.840 bringing it into the church, you're defiling your people. You 351 00:23:37.840 --> 00:23:40.440 are wasting your time. And here's the funny thing, Frank, 352 00:23:40.440 --> 00:23:43.640 they go through all of this stuff, but their churches haven't 353 00:23:44.040 --> 00:23:49.740 doubled or tripled in size. They didn't baptize 3,114 people 354 00:23:49.740 --> 00:23:55.040 in a couple of months. They are not dealing with 19,000 people 355 00:23:55.040 --> 00:23:58.740 showing up on on a Sunday for service. What does that tell 356 00:23:58.740 --> 00:24:02.840 them that we can preach the gospel and then go out and be 357 00:24:02.840 --> 00:24:06.640 salt and light? That's what it should be telling them. But my 358 00:24:06.640 --> 00:24:10.840 number one opposition are those of the religious order of those 359 00:24:10.840 --> 00:24:16.440 of the religious hierarchy of the day trying everything 360 00:24:16.440 --> 00:24:21.440 Frank to sit on the lid and keep status quo. And you can see 361 00:24:21.440 --> 00:24:25.840 the lid boiling off. They can't contain it. People are walking 362 00:24:25.840 --> 00:24:29.440 to the truth. And I tell you what pastor, you want your church 363 00:24:29.440 --> 00:24:34.480 to grow? Listen, that's not a good request. You want your 364 00:24:34.480 --> 00:24:37.840 church to grow because your church is rooted and grounded on 365 00:24:37.840 --> 00:24:42.160 truth, not numbers. You've got to be willing to empty your 366 00:24:42.160 --> 00:24:46.000 church out by presenting truth and let God build it. And he 367 00:24:46.000 --> 00:24:49.440 will build it. And then you can have the peace and confidence 368 00:24:49.720 --> 00:24:53.600 that it's his church. He bought it. He'll empower it. You just 369 00:24:53.600 --> 00:24:56.040 do your job. And he'll take care of the rest. You have to 370 00:24:56.040 --> 00:24:58.480 worry about money. You have to worry about more numbers. 371 00:24:58.520 --> 00:25:00.880 You have to worry about attendance. And if it turns out your 372 00:25:00.880 --> 00:25:04.360 Jeremiah stand on the loan preaching the truth, oh well, that's 373 00:25:04.360 --> 00:25:07.520 what you're doing. You know, Jack, I don't think people 374 00:25:07.520 --> 00:25:10.560 realize that Jesus was involved in politics because who are 375 00:25:10.560 --> 00:25:13.360 the politicians of his day? The Pharisees, they were on the 376 00:25:13.360 --> 00:25:16.920 Sanhedrin. They were part of the political order. And here's 377 00:25:16.920 --> 00:25:19.440 what Jesus says to them. And this is easy to remember friends 378 00:25:19.440 --> 00:25:23.120 it's Matthew 23 23. What does Jesus say to the politicians of 379 00:25:23.120 --> 00:25:26.280 this day? He says, what do you teachers of the law and Pharisees 380 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:29.480 you hypocrites? You give a tenth of your spices mint Dylan 381 00:25:29.480 --> 00:25:32.480 Cuman, but you've neglected the more important matters of the 382 00:25:32.480 --> 00:25:35.680 law, justice, mercy and faithfulness. You should have practiced 383 00:25:35.680 --> 00:25:38.320 the latter without neglecting the former. You blind guys, you 384 00:25:38.320 --> 00:25:41.000 strained out in that book swallow a camel. You see what he's 385 00:25:41.000 --> 00:25:44.960 saying? He's saying he's saying to the politicians, you've been 386 00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:48.440 majoring in the minors. Jack, we've been telling people to wear 387 00:25:48.440 --> 00:25:53.000 masks for two years. And yet we won't tell them not only don't 388 00:25:53.000 --> 00:25:55.840 kill your babies in the womb. Now we're telling them it's okay to 389 00:25:55.840 --> 00:25:59.360 kill them out of the womb. Jack, what's going on? It's crazy. 390 00:25:59.720 --> 00:26:02.280 Frank, Frank, add to that that in Southern California, they 391 00:26:02.360 --> 00:26:06.920 were churches that had vaccination sites on campus. Okay, what 392 00:26:06.920 --> 00:26:09.440 in the world's going on? Who's the separation of church and 393 00:26:09.440 --> 00:26:13.440 state? Well, wait a minute. Why are you acting like the state 394 00:26:13.440 --> 00:26:16.760 then? And by the way, isn't it funny that when this watch 395 00:26:16.760 --> 00:26:20.440 this that we were to call to protect life, our God is all about 396 00:26:20.440 --> 00:26:23.160 life. Jesus says I'm going to give life in that more abundantly. 397 00:26:23.400 --> 00:26:28.200 Okay, that's our that's our thing marriage, that's ours, the 398 00:26:28.200 --> 00:26:32.240 defense of the unborn. We're commanded. That's ours. Okay, 399 00:26:32.640 --> 00:26:36.120 government comes along and says we're taking that flag that 400 00:26:36.120 --> 00:26:39.120 banner from you. And we're going to plant it on our hill. And 401 00:26:39.120 --> 00:26:41.320 you'll sit down and you'll show it up and you'll say nothing 402 00:26:41.320 --> 00:26:45.040 about it. And pastors go like this for fear of what I do not 403 00:26:45.040 --> 00:26:49.080 know. But imagine if a church stood up and said, excuse me, 404 00:26:49.080 --> 00:26:52.360 we're taking the flag back of the definition of marriage and 405 00:26:52.360 --> 00:26:56.280 life, that belongs in the Bible. You've politicized it when 406 00:26:56.280 --> 00:27:00.240 it's actual theological mandate from God Almighty. And we're 407 00:27:00.240 --> 00:27:03.320 coming to you, Sacramento, and we're taking back the 408 00:27:03.320 --> 00:27:07.760 definition of marriage or the sanctity of life, because that is 409 00:27:07.760 --> 00:27:11.720 an area that belongs to the sovereign hands of God. Yes, someone's 410 00:27:11.720 --> 00:27:16.760 going to win the worldview debate. It is going to be the people 411 00:27:17.080 --> 00:27:21.040 that have got the microphone in your state capital or in your 412 00:27:21.040 --> 00:27:24.800 city, or it's going to be like it was in the early days in the 413 00:27:24.800 --> 00:27:28.680 colonial pulpits of America, the epicenter of cultural 414 00:27:28.680 --> 00:27:32.320 truth, where the where the pulpits of colonial America, the 415 00:27:32.320 --> 00:27:36.040 black rogue regiment of our founding fathers were not the ones 416 00:27:36.040 --> 00:27:39.960 that were public were the politicians. Sam Adams said that it 417 00:27:39.960 --> 00:27:43.600 was the pastors that taught on liberty and freedom and 418 00:27:43.600 --> 00:27:48.280 responsibility to God. That's where our founding fathers got it 419 00:27:48.280 --> 00:27:48.800 from. 420 00:27:49.960 --> 00:27:53.480 Well, unfortunately, people don't know history, Jack, as you know, 421 00:27:53.480 --> 00:27:56.440 they don't know that look, we're not trying to legislate 422 00:27:56.440 --> 00:27:59.120 religion, we're trying to legislate morality and everybody's 423 00:27:59.120 --> 00:28:03.080 trying to legislate morality. Obviously, California now thinks 424 00:28:03.080 --> 00:28:06.600 it's going to be moral to be able not to murder just babies in 425 00:28:06.600 --> 00:28:12.080 the womb, but out of the womb up to 28 days after they're born 426 00:28:12.080 --> 00:28:15.200 ladies and gentlemen. And if you can't stand up against that, 427 00:28:15.200 --> 00:28:20.080 what can you stand up against? I mean, what if you're not going 428 00:28:20.080 --> 00:28:23.080 to speak up against the actual murder of children, what are 429 00:28:23.080 --> 00:28:24.920 you going to speak up against? You're not. 430 00:28:25.000 --> 00:28:28.640 Yeah, there's some good news everybody. If good news, if you 431 00:28:28.640 --> 00:28:32.280 decide to get involved. And so here's where we're at, it 432 00:28:32.280 --> 00:28:35.680 passed judiciary committee voting straight down party lines, 433 00:28:35.720 --> 00:28:39.960 all Democrats voted to kill the baby, all Republicans voted to 434 00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:43.320 save the baby. Then it went to the health committee and all 435 00:28:43.320 --> 00:28:48.400 Democrats voted to kill all the Republicans voted to save. Now 436 00:28:48.400 --> 00:28:51.600 it goes to appropriations where there is no public hearing, but 437 00:28:51.600 --> 00:28:54.720 it moves then to the Senate. And here in the state of 438 00:28:54.720 --> 00:28:59.080 California, so we've got several attempts to rally to make 439 00:28:59.080 --> 00:29:03.840 calls to make a difference. I am pleading, I am begging every 440 00:29:03.840 --> 00:29:08.840 pastor in California, every Catholic priest. Listen, if you are an 441 00:29:08.840 --> 00:29:14.520 imam at a mosque, if you are a rabbi at a synagogue, in fact, 442 00:29:14.520 --> 00:29:17.880 Frank, how about this? If you're like that young woman who went 443 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:22.120 to the microphone, as I was testifying last week, she came up 444 00:29:22.120 --> 00:29:26.400 and she said, my name Susie Q, I'm from San Francisco, I'm a 445 00:29:26.400 --> 00:29:30.480 Democrat, I'm an atheist, and I'm against this wicked bill. And 446 00:29:30.480 --> 00:29:34.320 she walked out and got a standing ovation. All we need 447 00:29:34.320 --> 00:29:38.400 everyone who's got a conscience and some form of a backbone 448 00:29:38.840 --> 00:29:45.120 to go to realimpact.us, realimpact.us and find out how you can 449 00:29:45.280 --> 00:29:49.320 get involved. But we need every single one of you to make some 450 00:29:49.320 --> 00:29:54.080 noise, call your assembly member in your area. You've got one in 451 00:29:54.080 --> 00:29:59.400 California and tell them, vote no, an AB 2223, I'm watching how 452 00:29:59.400 --> 00:30:02.840 you vote. And I will see to it that I'll make your vote public. 453 00:30:03.000 --> 00:30:07.240 When you say it that way, it sends chills to their bones. And 454 00:30:07.520 --> 00:30:10.680 why are we to do it, Frank? Very obscure verse, who in the 455 00:30:10.680 --> 00:30:15.000 world studies this? Second Corinthians 10, 6, nobody even 456 00:30:15.000 --> 00:30:19.440 knows about it. Second Corinthians 10, verse 6, Paul there says 457 00:30:19.440 --> 00:30:25.080 by our obedience to Christ, we punish disobedience in this 458 00:30:25.080 --> 00:30:28.760 world. That's how we do it, living right justly. And the verse 459 00:30:28.760 --> 00:30:31.360 right before that, he says we demolish arguments and take 460 00:30:31.360 --> 00:30:33.760 every thought captive to Christ. That's what we're supposed to 461 00:30:33.760 --> 00:30:36.360 do. We're supposed, if we're not going to stand for these 462 00:30:36.360 --> 00:30:40.080 unborn people, who will? Now, here's one thing I think we need 463 00:30:40.120 --> 00:30:43.880 to start asking these people who are for this bill, Jack, how 464 00:30:43.880 --> 00:30:47.680 does a dead baby improve anything? Because that's really what 465 00:30:47.680 --> 00:30:50.960 they want. They want dead babies. How does a dead baby improve 466 00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:54.880 anything? How does it solve a problem? I don't get it. I don't 467 00:30:54.880 --> 00:30:56.960 get where these people are coming from. Why would they? Why would 468 00:30:56.960 --> 00:31:01.160 they think this, Jack? The people who testified for the bill 469 00:31:01.200 --> 00:31:09.120 to have it approved on Tuesday. ACLU and Clamp 470 00:31:09.120 --> 00:31:14.440 Earnhood. They they they they said so. They announced their 471 00:31:14.440 --> 00:31:18.280 name who they were with and how they wanted the assembly to vote. 472 00:31:18.680 --> 00:31:22.400 There is big business on the on the worldly side. There's big 473 00:31:22.400 --> 00:31:27.760 business in dead babies. Okay. Second thing is it's demonic on 474 00:31:27.760 --> 00:31:30.720 the spiritual side. This is none other. And I'm wondering if you 475 00:31:30.720 --> 00:31:34.520 guys all believe your Bible. This is none other than the same 476 00:31:34.520 --> 00:31:38.400 demonic powers that that you read about in your Old Testament 477 00:31:38.400 --> 00:31:40.840 Scriptures of human sacrifice. 478 00:31:40.840 --> 00:31:44.560 These are the same demons living out, manipulating people. 479 00:31:44.560 --> 00:31:47.840 They have found a home in the California Democrat Party 480 00:31:47.840 --> 00:31:50.720 and they've got them almost like CS Lewis. 481 00:31:50.720 --> 00:31:52.560 Frank, CS Lewis's book, you know, well, 482 00:31:52.560 --> 00:31:56.280 Screwtap Letters, it's like we're living it out here right now. 483 00:31:56.280 --> 00:31:57.880 It's crazy. 484 00:31:57.880 --> 00:32:00.360 So you can't take it out on the person 485 00:32:00.360 --> 00:32:02.600 that you're debating personally, 486 00:32:02.600 --> 00:32:05.240 but what you are doing spiritually is going behind them 487 00:32:05.240 --> 00:32:07.480 to the power that's manipulating them. 488 00:32:07.480 --> 00:32:09.720 I view that because I'm a believer, 489 00:32:09.720 --> 00:32:11.200 but we must stand. 490 00:32:11.200 --> 00:32:15.080 And after we've stood, the Bible says, stand there for, right? 491 00:32:15.080 --> 00:32:17.320 We are to be girded with all of the argument 492 00:32:17.320 --> 00:32:19.880 of the believer in Ephesians chapter six. 493 00:32:19.880 --> 00:32:21.720 And we've got to do it. 494 00:32:21.720 --> 00:32:25.120 I believe, Frank, I believe God is testing, 495 00:32:25.120 --> 00:32:29.240 not only the wicked, I believe God is testing his church 496 00:32:29.240 --> 00:32:33.840 to see who is, who is of the church, who is for real? 497 00:32:33.840 --> 00:32:35.240 Who will stand? 498 00:32:35.400 --> 00:32:37.760 And by the way, Frank, we've got to qualify 499 00:32:37.760 --> 00:32:39.000 in the last days, do we not? 500 00:32:39.000 --> 00:32:42.120 Don't we have to qualify for being those 501 00:32:42.120 --> 00:32:44.040 who will be persecuted in the last days? 502 00:32:44.040 --> 00:32:47.480 Didn't Jesus promise us that in the last days, 503 00:32:47.480 --> 00:32:49.160 people are going to rise up against us 504 00:32:49.160 --> 00:32:51.200 and say, I'll man are available against us 505 00:32:51.200 --> 00:32:53.720 and hate us because we love him? 506 00:32:53.720 --> 00:32:55.240 You could ask yourself this question. 507 00:32:55.240 --> 00:32:57.920 Are you all about being loved by everybody? 508 00:32:57.920 --> 00:33:00.800 Or are you all about being loved by God 509 00:33:00.800 --> 00:33:04.640 and loved by his people, but hated by Satan 510 00:33:04.680 --> 00:33:06.680 and hated by those who worship him? 511 00:33:08.280 --> 00:33:10.040 That's a question we all need to ask ourselves. 512 00:33:10.040 --> 00:33:12.520 Or Jesus at one point might say away from me, 513 00:33:12.520 --> 00:33:14.360 I never knew you because you were more concerned 514 00:33:14.360 --> 00:33:16.640 about yourself than you were about me. 515 00:33:16.640 --> 00:33:18.640 You were more concerned about being liked 516 00:33:18.640 --> 00:33:20.640 rather than being loved by me. 517 00:33:20.640 --> 00:33:22.560 Look, Jesus loves everybody infinitely 518 00:33:22.560 --> 00:33:23.560 because it's an infinite being, 519 00:33:23.560 --> 00:33:25.400 but a lot of people turn away that love Jack 520 00:33:25.400 --> 00:33:29.000 for the love of other people, for the love of the culture. 521 00:33:29.000 --> 00:33:30.000 That's what they do. 522 00:33:30.000 --> 00:33:31.040 They turn it away. 523 00:33:31.040 --> 00:33:32.360 That's their idol. 524 00:33:32.480 --> 00:33:35.120 I'm reminded, you brought up C.S. Lewis. 525 00:33:35.120 --> 00:33:37.440 C.S. Lewis in his book, Abolation of Man 526 00:33:37.440 --> 00:33:40.120 talks about when good things are swollen 527 00:33:40.120 --> 00:33:42.520 to madness and isolation. 528 00:33:42.520 --> 00:33:46.240 Now sex is a good thing, but when you make that 529 00:33:46.240 --> 00:33:49.800 the ultimate thing, you swell it to madness 530 00:33:49.800 --> 00:33:52.760 and isolation to the point that you're willing 531 00:33:52.760 --> 00:33:56.440 to sacrifice children so you can feel better 532 00:33:56.440 --> 00:33:59.160 about the illicit sex you've engaged in. 533 00:33:59.160 --> 00:34:02.640 That's where we are, that we're putting sex 534 00:34:02.640 --> 00:34:05.040 at the very top of our priority list. 535 00:34:05.040 --> 00:34:07.600 And that good thing is now swollen to madness 536 00:34:07.600 --> 00:34:10.200 and isolation to the point that we're actually 537 00:34:10.200 --> 00:34:13.440 willing to kill children so we can justify 538 00:34:13.440 --> 00:34:15.640 what we want to do sexually, Jack. 539 00:34:15.640 --> 00:34:17.960 We need to speak out against this. 540 00:34:17.960 --> 00:34:20.400 Frank, you so well, I don't remember when it was 541 00:34:20.400 --> 00:34:22.080 because we've had the privilege of having you 542 00:34:22.080 --> 00:34:25.880 at church many times, but you one time preached and said 543 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:29.680 that America's new God is sex. 544 00:34:29.680 --> 00:34:32.720 And you were so right and you're even more right now 545 00:34:32.720 --> 00:34:34.520 and you're gonna be even more right tomorrow 546 00:34:34.520 --> 00:34:37.080 because you're exactly true on this thing. 547 00:34:37.080 --> 00:34:40.240 And here's the deal, don't you believe 548 00:34:40.240 --> 00:34:42.280 in a woman's right to choose? 549 00:34:42.280 --> 00:34:43.880 Of course I do. 550 00:34:43.880 --> 00:34:47.240 She chose to have sex, and I'm sorry, 551 00:34:47.240 --> 00:34:49.520 I'm talking as a pastor, I'm talking as a biologist, 552 00:34:49.520 --> 00:34:50.360 okay. 553 00:34:51.360 --> 00:34:56.360 We're designed in such a way that when two come together, 554 00:34:56.360 --> 00:34:59.680 living sperm collides with living egg and you've got life. 555 00:34:59.680 --> 00:35:00.840 It's called biology. 556 00:35:00.840 --> 00:35:02.600 It happens probably a thousand times a day. 557 00:35:02.600 --> 00:35:06.640 The point is this, you can't undo that. 558 00:35:06.640 --> 00:35:08.360 Well, I believe in a woman's right to choose. 559 00:35:08.360 --> 00:35:10.880 No, what you're saying is you believe in a woman's right 560 00:35:10.880 --> 00:35:14.360 to murder the child either in or out of the womb 561 00:35:14.360 --> 00:35:17.920 because she made a decision earlier 562 00:35:17.920 --> 00:35:22.920 that she frankly knew what could happen and showed it to eat. 563 00:35:23.560 --> 00:35:26.440 But now they're trying to put the toothpaste back in the tube 564 00:35:26.440 --> 00:35:27.920 and that ain't gonna happen. 565 00:35:27.920 --> 00:35:31.920 You're pleading with pastors to get involved 566 00:35:31.920 --> 00:35:34.240 and to preach on these things. 567 00:35:34.240 --> 00:35:37.320 And for some reason, I don't know what they're afraid of. 568 00:35:37.320 --> 00:35:38.520 They're afraid of losing money. 569 00:35:38.520 --> 00:35:40.000 They're afraid of losing their staff. 570 00:35:40.000 --> 00:35:42.280 They're afraid of losing the congregation. 571 00:35:42.280 --> 00:35:45.640 Tell them, Jack, why your job is to speak 572 00:35:45.640 --> 00:35:47.960 to the truth regardless of the consequences? 573 00:35:47.960 --> 00:35:49.200 Yeah, yeah. 574 00:35:49.200 --> 00:35:52.320 Let's be honest, those of us who handled the word of God, 575 00:35:52.320 --> 00:35:54.120 James tells us we're gonna be judged 576 00:35:54.120 --> 00:35:57.400 with a stricter judgment here before the Lord. 577 00:35:57.400 --> 00:36:01.080 In other words, too much has been given to us 578 00:36:01.080 --> 00:36:02.800 and too much shall be required. 579 00:36:02.800 --> 00:36:03.800 That's right. 580 00:36:03.800 --> 00:36:05.760 And so what I would say to all the pastors is, 581 00:36:05.760 --> 00:36:10.240 you need to go fast, take a drive into the desert, 582 00:36:10.240 --> 00:36:14.080 climb a mountain, take a robot out to sea, get along. 583 00:36:14.080 --> 00:36:16.680 You know, you asked, how do I do Romans and Hebrews 584 00:36:16.680 --> 00:36:18.600 and preach messages during the week? 585 00:36:18.600 --> 00:36:19.760 I gotta get along. 586 00:36:19.760 --> 00:36:21.960 I have to spend a lot of time alone. 587 00:36:21.960 --> 00:36:23.200 Pastor, get along. 588 00:36:23.200 --> 00:36:24.600 Listen to what God is saying. 589 00:36:24.600 --> 00:36:28.360 Don't let Facebook or Instagram or Twitter shape 590 00:36:28.360 --> 00:36:29.600 what you're gonna say next. 591 00:36:29.600 --> 00:36:32.440 If you can't handle those things, get off of them 592 00:36:32.440 --> 00:36:33.960 and get into the word of God. 593 00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:35.400 It is my desire for you. 594 00:36:35.400 --> 00:36:37.560 I know Frank shares this. 595 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:40.720 In just the word of God until it's burning in your soul, 596 00:36:40.720 --> 00:36:43.320 so much that when you get into the pulpit on Sunday, 597 00:36:43.360 --> 00:36:44.480 nobody can stop you. 598 00:36:44.480 --> 00:36:45.560 You're on fire. 599 00:36:45.560 --> 00:36:47.960 You've got to deliver what he gave you. 600 00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:49.920 Not what you downloaded. 601 00:36:49.920 --> 00:36:51.280 Not what you read in a book. 602 00:36:51.280 --> 00:36:53.160 It's okay to read commentaries. 603 00:36:53.160 --> 00:36:55.320 After God has given you your sermon, 604 00:36:55.320 --> 00:36:57.800 then read the commentaries and it's from him. 605 00:36:57.800 --> 00:36:59.000 You'll be on fire. 606 00:36:59.000 --> 00:37:00.840 God will annoy and bless you 607 00:37:00.840 --> 00:37:02.920 and your congregation will be transformed. 608 00:37:02.920 --> 00:37:06.240 Don't let the noise of the world drown out the word of God. 609 00:37:06.240 --> 00:37:08.880 Don't let the noise of the world drown out the word of God. 610 00:37:08.880 --> 00:37:10.680 There's a lot of noise out there 611 00:37:10.680 --> 00:37:13.040 and you've gotta pierce through that noise 612 00:37:13.040 --> 00:37:14.480 with the word of God and with truth. 613 00:37:14.480 --> 00:37:17.680 And if you're only willing to speak on what the world 614 00:37:17.680 --> 00:37:19.600 tells you you can speak on, 615 00:37:19.600 --> 00:37:21.800 then you're not truly being prophetic. 616 00:37:21.800 --> 00:37:23.200 I'm not talking about telling the future. 617 00:37:23.200 --> 00:37:24.960 I'm talking about actually speaking the truth 618 00:37:24.960 --> 00:37:25.920 to your congregation. 619 00:37:25.920 --> 00:37:27.440 Now, Jack, you do that so well. 620 00:37:27.440 --> 00:37:30.640 Thanks so much for leading your congregation, brother. 621 00:37:35.440 --> 00:37:37.000 This Jack Hibbs podcast, 622 00:37:37.000 --> 00:37:39.600 as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities, 623 00:37:39.600 --> 00:37:41.360 are listener supported. 624 00:37:41.360 --> 00:37:43.240 Will you consider partnering with us 625 00:37:43.240 --> 00:37:45.000 through a special gift? 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