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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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listen. Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack

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Hibbs. Well, welcome to this very, very special episode of our real-life

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podcast together. And today you're gonna be getting, I think, a lot. A lot, not only

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out of the podcast, but a lot of marching orders. And for some of you in the

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United States, a wake-up call. Because what you're gonna be hearing about is going

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on in your own community, you may not be aware of it. The temptation is to think

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not in my town are such things taking place, but in reality, they are. And so, listen,

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today we just have two very, very special people who are on the front lines of fighting the

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fight. And so I'm gonna have them introduce themselves. And I'm gonna want you to make sure

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that you share this with everybody that you know. So, Julian, let's start with you.

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Sure, thanks for having us. My name is Julian Fleischer. And I'm an attorney with the

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nonprofit law firm of advocates for faith and freedom. And I have a distinct honor to

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represent Jessica who is gonna share the second part of her story and her lawsuit. But

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love Jessica. Love that. I have the honor of representing her. That's awesome. And Jessica,

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tell us what hot water are you in? Tell us about your experience and what causes you now to have

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Julian in this excellent law firm supporting you. I'm gonna blame it all on you, Pastor.

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I'm going ahead, yes. I, you know, like many people found you in your church during COVID.

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And I've been raised a Christian, but stepping into this church, one of the first

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sermons I heard you preach was on how being a coward is a sin. And I have no idea why that day

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that sermon struck me so hard and then flash forward one or two years after that.

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I'm in this position as a school teacher where I have these transgender directives placed on me

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and they immediately convicted me. And I remembered that you taught me that it's a sin to be a coward

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and that I was in a position where a lot of teachers are cowering right now. They're putting their

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pension above their principles and they're doing whatever it takes to save their salary.

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And I knew that I was called for more than that. And so I dug in, the Lord told me I'm entering

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spiritual warfare. And so I got closer to him than ever before. And he, he called me out to

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stand firm in the truth and to speak out and in doing that and simply telling my district, no,

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I can't call students by something they're not. And that's what they wanted you to do. They

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wanted you. Hey, all of a sudden Jessica and the entire staff, the administration, start calling

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kids by their preferred pronoun gender, whatever whatever they'd like. And it was worse than that.

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I also learned I would have to withhold that information from their parents. I clarified,

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are you asking me to lie? They said yes for student safety and privacy. I'm also in the

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unique where I was in the unique position of being a PE teacher overseeing a girl's locker room.

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So I was told I would need to let anyone identifying as a female in. I said, are you telling me boys

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in the girls locker room? They said yes, if they're identifying as female, I said no. So in the end,

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in the very end, I ended up being fired January, 2023 because my school district could not accommodate

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my religious beliefs. So when I told them no over these transgender directives, I spoke from my

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faith as to why I couldn't follow. So they said we need to have you come in so we can put you through

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a religious accommodation meeting. They asked me questions up and down left and right on my faith,

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even where I go to church and what I read and how often most bizarre experience of my life.

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But just another thing, just another thing, honestly, looking back on it all that just strengthened

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my faith and helped me rise up. And yeah, at the end of that, they decided we can't accommodate you

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and you're fired as a teacher. So here in Southern California, you were a PE teacher.

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You had been a stellar employee, staff member, no problem. This woke ideology invades the school

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as it is everywhere, everybody. And they literally sight stepped completely the First Amendment.

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And look, I'm not an attorney, but we have one sitting here. But I'm just like drooling thinking,

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your First Amendment was violated. And then on top of it, I could argue the case

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that they were telling you to endanger children. Because when you put boys and girls together

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in the locker room or in the showers, that doesn't go well. And so it's just absolutely

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incredible irresponsibility. But they justify it because I think they have an agenda.

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They've got a plan. And so Julian, where did you come in and then spool up to where are we with

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Jessica's defense? So Jessica came to advocates with with her story. And right away, we knew

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this is absolutely horrendous what the what the district is doing. They essentially were creating

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their own religious test for for Jessica to be a teacher. And our founding fathers were very

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clear from the beginning. There's no religious test to hold a government position. And the district

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basically saying Jessica, you need to follow our religion, our ideology as it relates to these

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transgender policies, or you're not qualified to be a teacher within our public school system.

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And so we ended up filing filing a lawsuit against the district on behalf of Jessica,

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raised First Amendment concerns, raised Title VII concerns. And we've been in nearly a year

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long legal battle with the district, finding out these issues. And we actually just reached a

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settlement with the district with the district paying out $360,000 to Jessica as a result of their

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wrongdoing. And you know, we can talk about, you know, what does a settlement look like? Does that

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mean we're quitting? Are we giving up? But absolutely not. This is an incredible amount of money,

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where it's basically showing that the district had to financially pay for their wrongdoing.

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And you know, the entire time as we've been going through this lawsuit, the district has told us,

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you know, we did what we did because we were afraid of lawsuits from transgender students. We did

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what we did to Jessica because we were fearful of what could happen to us as a result of transgender

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students feeling discriminated against. And the constitution is clear, religious rights, religious

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liberty, Trump, it's the constitution. It's the supreme law of the land. And so Jessica's

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religious rights are not second class to any other right. Her religious freedoms are one of the

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most sacred things that we have within this country. And so we've fought hard and long in this last

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year. And the district wouldn't have settled if they thought they hadn't done anything wrong.

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And that's the biggest statement that this statement that this settlement shows is that the

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district knows that they did wrong. And they were willing to say, okay, we're going to pay out money

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so that we can we can put this lawsuit to the aside. And what the district probably doesn't know

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maybe doesn't realize, but this is going to be a catalyst for for other teachers. Jessica

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has taken a stand and has stepped out boldly in faith. And I have no doubt that the

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Lord is going to use just her story in this lawsuit to inspire and to encourage other teachers

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to take a stand. In fact, to that point, I want to insert this, where can people follow the

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the rest of this as this plays out? Give us some sort of link or whatever where they can watch

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the the progression of this because as we well know, this is going to spread. Thank God,

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this is some good news that's going to spread. But where can they follow this almost like a weather

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report? How can they keep up with it? So do you want to go ahead? Sure. Okay. So really birthing out

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of this settlement. You know, my prayer through through this whole past year hasn't been for a certain

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monetary amount. You know, maybe for a second, I prayed like, let's take this all the way to

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to Supreme Court. But that's before I knew like what all it didn't tailed being in a lawsuit. And

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the fact that like I sued my school district, not the state of California or the department of ed.

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So I learned a lot in that kind of change things. But I kept asking the Lord, just send a message.

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The teachers across this nation need a message, need a really strong message to just give them

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that that boost of confidence that they too can stand firm in the truth and firm in their faith.

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So however you end this, Lord, send a message. And we we were just talking earlier how amazing Lord

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in the way he does that with even just the number 360. The second I said yes to that, I felt like

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the Holy Spirit spoke to me and said 360 is symbolic of a complete turnaround, a full circle.

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And there's just so much to be said about that. But birthing out of this, we're actually

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launching a program called teachers don't lie. And we're going to have a land page for teachers

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to come to. And we're going to provide them all the support that they need to know their rights

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to to have defense ready to go, you know, if if it's their turn to take a stand, which there are

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many teachers that message me already and say I'm right there, I'm right there. So that's

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that's what's being launched out of this. And we have no idea what the Lord will do. But we have

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big faith about it. But we just want to be there and encourage, you know, all the teachers

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watching across the nation that this is the right thing to do. And we never go wrong when we

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stand for what's right. There you go. Never, never are we wrong when we stand upon biblical truth.

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And even if we were to lose in public opinion or in the courtroom, these are the, this is the

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battlefield of man. God wins the war. And in the end, are you willing to lose the short-term

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fight to win the inevitable war in the end? And that's what happens when you stand for truth.

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And you guys, you're doing that. So I have a bunch of scriptures that are just jimming around my head.

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And I'm just going to, I'm going to paraphrase them for time's sake. But I want to, I want to

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preface it with this. You, we advocates, Julianne, you're not out to generate lawsuits and go

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after people and beat people up. The, those who identify in the LBGTQ gender issue stuff,

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they are US citizens. They have their constitutional rights. We're not denying them of that.

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They're Americans. We're not saying you don't have any rights. They have protections that have

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been in place for literally decades if not a century or so in the public school system.

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It's just of recent times where this has become such a social construct, a social argument

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to undermine the system. We are not bashing those who are honestly truly struggling

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with identity and things like that because some of it, some of it is that they were terribly abused

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or exposed to pornography at an early age. They're all messed up and they're heart and in their

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minds, we're not denying that. What we're denying is that the school system in California,

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and I might add, all 50 states are so handling it wrong, that they're throwing as it were

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truth out like the baby in the bathwater, out the whole thing goes because we're terrified

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of being sued by some kid or some, some kid's parents. But notice that everything that's being said

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is being said in the confines of fear. The school district was fearful of being sued when we don't

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take a stand, work cowards because of fear. It's just everywhere. And so what comes to my mind

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is that in 2 Corinthians 106, this is in the New Testament. 2 Corinthians 106 says,

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when we're obedient to Christ, we will thereby punish all disobedience. And when that's accomplished,

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our obedience to him will be spoken of. That's an amazing statement. Isaiah 101 says,

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woe unto those who write misfortune and pass unjust laws. That's in Isaiah 10. And then in Jeremiah 29 and

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7, the Bible says that wherever you live, you should stand up for that community's protection and

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safety and welfare so that you and the community might live a peaceable life. This is remarkable.

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You're living that out. In Matthew 5, Jesus said, let your light so shine before man that when they

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see your good works, they'll glorify your Father which is in heaven. You guys are doing this.

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So Jessica, you would not lie. They really frankly bullied you. I'm a real fan of using their

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talk when you're talking with them. You bullied me, right? You tried to coerce me,

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all of these things. And when you wouldn't play their game, they actually, I mean, this is a big

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deal in California. Pretty much impossible to fire a teacher. Tenured, too. Tenured. And they fired

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you. So Julian, speak to how many violations are we possibly looking at? I mean, there's countless

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violations. And it does go back to the school district had a duty to accommodate Jessica's religious

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beliefs. There's no question about that. And there were Jessica presented them several ideas,

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several different accommodations that would have allowed her to continue to do her job and do

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her job well, continue to allow students. It's important to know that there actually weren't any

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transgender students in her classroom. No student had ever asked her to refer to them by different

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pronouns. These were a lot of hypothetical situations. So these are premeditated hypotheticals

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in advance of possibly being sued about something that might come up someday. Yes, yes, very

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hypothetical, but what isn't hypothetical are Jessica's religious beliefs. So it's something

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that I love to emphasize about Jessica and her story is nothing about her had had changed. She

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maintained the same convictions and religious beliefs from the time that she accepted the Lord

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as a young girl and got a job with the school district and remained true to her biblical convictions.

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And so nothing about Jessica had changed except the district's interest in presenting their own

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ideology and bullying Jessica to bow down to their ideology and to their religious test in order

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to be a public school teacher. And so there were a lot of issues with what they did and

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there were a lot of accommodations that could be done. We're hearing now about school districts

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accommodating teachers' religious beliefs of being able to opt out of different LGBTQ plus trainings

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and different things of that nature. And so school districts are realizing, okay, we need to

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recognize religious beliefs. We need to be able to, we can't just be firing teachers. What's

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going to end up happening is we're going to lose a lot of really great teachers who care about

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students who have a passion and a calling to teach our young generation and these school districts

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across the United States are really doing a disservice to our students by bullying and firing great

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teachers that have it a heart for students. And Jessica has a heart for all students. It didn't

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matter if they were transgender or not. Let me play bad guy for a second.

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Well, how do you answer this? Jessica had it coming. She had been written up so many times.

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The district was very displeased with her performance as a teacher. This was inevitable that she

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was going to be released anyway. She was just not qualified. She was probably overqualified

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for her position. She had so many incredible reviews from former principals of different schools

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that she had worked at the district. She had worked at the middle school within the district,

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the high school. She had attended the high school in this district as a high school student.

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And so that my husband there did Bible study there. Incredible reputation within the school

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district. It was only this this event that led to her firing. There were no other disciplinary

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actions. It was not because she was, you know, failing her students. Her students adored her,

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loved her. And she, this was a calling that the Lord put on her life. She had a heart to teach

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students. And that's what she showed up every day to do. Absolutely amazing. So, Julie, and I want

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to ask you a question. And this is, I want to say this is hypothetical, but I fear that it's not,

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but let's, for the sake of this podcast, let's pretend for a moment.

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With what's going on and with what's trending in our nation and certainly all kinds of areas,

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but in this area? Do you think or are you allowed to say that there seems to be

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a organized attack that is directed against our constitutional rights, specifically the First

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Amendment? And Jessica just got in the way. Guido, so to speak, down at the school district or

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school board, she's just collateral damage. Our goal is to actually, we don't believe in the

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Constitution. We don't believe in the First Amendment because it feels like that's what's going on.

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I look around in other areas of what's happening. And I don't see the Constitution being obeyed.

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And the Constitution is like the Bible. You have to choose to obey it. You can disobey it if you

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want. Are you seeing this as well in what you do that? Well, that's what the Constitution says,

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but we interpret it this way or we don't think it applies here. How can the Constitution not apply

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to an American citizen? What are you seeing? Yeah, I mean, our law firm exists specifically to

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help people like Jessica because we are. We're seeing countless stories or instances where people

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of faith are going to work trying to do their job, but yet they're being forced to leave their beliefs

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and their convictions at the schoolhouse gate, so to speak. But it's not just within the education

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system. It's in all different fields where people are being forced to separate their convictions,

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their biblical values, and their work life. And the Constitution exists so that doesn't have to

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happen. The founding fathers understood and recognized our rights as American citizens to practice

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our religious beliefs within the public sphere that doesn't have to be something that we do in

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the private of our homes. We're called to, biblically, we're called to engage the culture with our

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biblical values, but that's why the Constitution, that's why the First Amendment exists. And quite

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frankly, that's why our firm exists is to be able to help individuals and say there are rights

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and we're here to legally protect you and help defend you, should this attack continue to grow

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against American citizens rights. And we are unfortunately seeing that across the United States.

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We have cases all across the United States, different employment cases, churches, as well that

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are being targeted because of their religious convictions and beliefs.

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I, last Sunday at church, I had two. I had a mother and a daughter come up to me. Both of them are

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L.A. County employees for the sheriff's department. And both of them are being basically pushed out

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and they both have stellar records. But they're being pushed out because of their religious convictions.

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It was first regarding COVID. And then they went from that to their religious convictions.

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I'm curious, Julien, you or the attorneys that you're in association with, how many of you are,

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how many Muslims or Jews are you supporting in cases where they have stood up for their religious

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freedoms similar to what's happening? I would say overwhelmingly that most of our clients are

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evangelical Christians that are coming to us. Why do you think that's the case?

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I think it's quite frankly because it's the religious values that an evangelical Christian holds.

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They're the ones that are showcasing their beliefs and it's their beliefs that the culture,

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the world hates and despises. Yeah, yeah. I obviously set you up for that answer. We didn't

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rehearse this in advance. But I knew how you would answer this. It's the Christian that stands.

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And when you don't stand for something, then you are actually in agreement. A lot of people

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like to hear that. But if you don't take a stand, then you are in agreement. If you're silent,

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then you are actually endorsing. And so in this situation, I would imagine that Islam teaches

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against boys and girls being in this shower together at public school or bathroom or whatever

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might be. I would think I'm assuming. I would think that Jews who read the first five books of Moses

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that they would say, well, that's wrong. Well, why are the Christians the only one speaking up

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is because it's one of our models here that at real life. Because of real life, we believe it's

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time to live out what we believe in. It's time for real life. This is faith in action. And you're

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doing that. And whenever you put faith into action, it's going to go up against an opposing world

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view. So Julian, you rightfully mentioned a Judeo-Christian world view of our founding fathers.

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But those that are fighting against Jessica, they don't even recognize, I mean, you might as well

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be from Mars because a lot of these leaders were never even instructed in their upbringing. They

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weren't taught American history. They may not have ever read the Constitution. So what I'm

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saying is every pastor, every look, whatever your religion is for that matter, you can be an atheist.

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Don't you want the right in the freedom to practice your atheism? Look, I'm not for atheist,

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but I'm for your right to practice your atheism. That's this country. And our founders understood

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that perfectly. So what's next in this battle? I think I heard you say in the settlement,

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you're not going to quit or give up. And by the way, the settlement is an admission of guilt.

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Number two, the monetary amount is irrelevant. If they would have settled for a dollar or a

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hundred million dollars, it's irrelevant. They settled. And so it's an admission of guilt on their

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part. So Julian, what are you going to do with that? Well, so as Jessica mentioned, we are starting

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this campaign of teachers. It don't lie. And we want it to be a resource, a program where

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teachers, parents, even students can go and see what are my rights? What am I able to do?

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And if for some reason a teacher finds himself in a similar position as Jessica, we want them to

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know that there are groups, our organization who is willing to step in and fight the battle

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alongside them. I think if anything, for a lot of teachers, it can be daunting because you have

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this entire school district. You have this entire system that you're up against teachers union

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is a whole separate issue in about itself. But we want teachers to know that you can step up in

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courage and in faith and know that you don't have to do it alone. We are our law firm is

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pro bono, which means our clients don't pay us a single penny because we believe in the principles

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and we believe in the Constitution. That's really why we exist. And so we want to be

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a law firm and organization that says we will come and step into this battle alongside you

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and provide those resources. Well, I can tell our viewers right now that advocates for faith

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and freedom, what she just said, they actually do what she just said. I've had the high honor of

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working with them for many, many years. How can people get a hold of you guys? What's your

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link? Sure. So our website is for advocates for faith and freedom and it's faith-in-freedom.com.

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They can go and look at actually all of the cases that we have going on and they can, you know,

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the biggest way people, people always ask, you know, how can we support? Obviously, prayer.

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This is it. We're in legal battles every day, but it's a spiritual battle as well. And so praying over

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our organization, over our clients and that the Lord's favor would be, you know, upon our organization

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and upon our clients and then also just part of that is financial support. Absolutely. Our clients

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don't pay us, but we rely on people who believe in the mission and the cause who may not be able,

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you know, may not be able to do the legal work but can financially support our organization.

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That's that's is what enables us to continue to do what we do. Absolutely.

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So Jessica, you poor thing. You come walking into this church in a scent as a little lamb during

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COVID. You hear God speaking to you. Of course, our God does not move in the realm of coincidence.

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I love the fact that in the Hebrew Bible, the word coincidence is not even, there's no Hebrew word

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for coincidence because that's to say that there's accidents. Right. The God of the Bible,

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there are no accidents. And so you came, you know, strolling on in for just a nice simple

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Sunday morning worship service and God spoke to your heart. And the beautiful thing, Jessica, that

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transmits to everybody is that you may have been trembling, but you heard truth. And

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this is so good for all of us to remember and to know. The truth got inside of you and you had

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to choose to either obey or disobey. God would have loved you either way. He would have loved

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you either way. Nothing to do with your position with God, but you chose to obey him. And

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you have left your protection with him. You have left your battle with him and he's honored your

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position. Absolutely. And now he's advancing you. And what's cool about what's going on is that

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you can pick up the Bible. A lot of people can't. Jessica DePia can pick up the Bible and read it and

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say, well, I know what that feels like. Wow, that's kind of what's going on with me. Is it amazing

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how when you obey the Scriptures, the Scriptures come alive? And if you don't obey the Scriptures,

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they're dead to you. It's remarkable. That's something I just want to like scream to the world is

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even if you see yourself right now walking into some sort of suffering or persecution,

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go forth with him and what you will find on the other side of walking in faith. Like I can't,

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there aren't even words for the different ways I've gone to see the Lord and get closer to him

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and his protection and provision and blessings. Like I have to write a book. It's so much.

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But it just makes me want to tell everyone like go forth in faith even if it's into persecution

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because this thing is going to come alive, alive like never before for you and you're going to be

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more than okay. Yeah, that's actually a good idea. Everything that you're doing, maybe you're doing

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this. You should journal everything that's going on, programs like this, other programs that you're

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on, other news broadcasts that you're on. Save these moments, save them because you ought to go back

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and review them and actually write a book. I think that's a great idea because you represent

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tens of thousands of teachers that have been beaten down by school boards or districts or their

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state education system, the Union, which is nothing but a brute squad. People want to hear,

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they need to hear. I was a perfect textbook moment. About a month ago, I was speaking in a very,

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very red state, red state, conservative governor, conservative state assembly, conservative state

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senators, conservative super conservative state. And I had made mention about what's going on

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in your school districts. And they, they, listen, I was actually told by these beautiful church

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people that's not happening here. And I said, no, no, I'm sure it is. No, I didn't know if it was,

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but in our experience, high probability. No, not here. We are people of the earth. We love the,

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we're in the Bible belt. Yeah, I think you ought to take a peek. Go down to your public library,

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take a stroll and start sitting in on some of these meetings. Go to meetings. Find out what's

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happening at the PTA in school board meetings. Low and behold, a couple of moms went to the

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local library and they found exactly what we're talking about right now. And friends, listen,

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I want you to go to your local library where you're at and find out what's going on. Find out what's

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going on in your school board, because you, the temptation is it's not happening here. It is

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happening where you're at. Here's what's different about California.

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In California, you were either a Christian or you're not. It used to be you could hide around,

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hide out because it just blended. The lines were skewed. And ever since this cultural

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war has exploded with biblical things under attack, marriage under attack, abortion, identity,

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attacking identity by that. I mean, attacking God's word on He made us male and female.

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California, everybody makes fun of California. I mean, you can go ahead and make fun of it, but

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it's, you know, it's going to be 75 degrees today, perfect. But the point is this that California

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believers are fighting for the truth. And what's scary is in other states, they're comfortable and

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they've settled in. And I just want to warn all of you lovingly. Find out what's going on because

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we live in a darkening world. But wherever we go, we should be instruments and bears of light.

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And so, Julie, and what can you share about what's ahead? What do you, what do you think without

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showing your cards? What's ahead for Jessica? What course of action are you guys plotting?

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Yeah. So I think, I mean, Jessica has been a warrior. And she, she's been one of the first

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teachers that I know of to really take a bold, a bold stand. And so we really want to use her

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story. I know Jessica wants to use her story to inspire and encourage teachers. And even just a

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note about the school boards, parents need to know what, what their school boards are doing. And,

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you know, it's something as simple as showing up to a school board meeting, talking during open

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comments, telling your school board what you want for your, for your children, advocating for your

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children. And so I think we're going to see, and we are already seeing parents stepping up,

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teachers stepping up. And we really want Jessica's story to just spearhead. Be that

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beacon of, okay, I can do it too. Here's Jessica, a mom, a wife, a teacher who said, I'm going to

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be obedient to the Lord. And so, you know, I think going forward, we're going to continue to see

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an attack on our religious rights. But I think we're also going to continue to see

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bold people like Jessica continue to step into the arena and, and fight for their, not only their

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religious rights and their beliefs, but also for, for their children. Because children are,

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are essentially the losing, the losing side in, in this battle when we don't stand up, when we

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don't speak up. And so, we want to see parents, you know, step into this battle. We want to see

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teachers who are willing to say, no, you cannot, you know, treat my students that way, or

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parents have parental rights. You cannot take my right, you know, to direct the upbringing of my

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child. And so, I really believe that we're going to continue to see, you know, people of faith

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take a stand. And that's what we hope with this campaign of, you know, teachers don't lie.

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They don't need to lie to students. They don't need to lie to parents. And they, most certainly,

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don't need to lie to themselves about their convictions and their religious beliefs. And so,

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being able to, you know, send that message and hopefully inspire, I don't like using the word

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inspire, but really spearheading and allowing, you know, people to know, you have the support,

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you don't have to do this quickly. Yes. You don't have to do this, you know, it's not a lone

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battle. You're not alone in this. There are so many people, courageous people that, you know,

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want to, you want to push back about this, with this woke ideology that we're seeing infiltrate

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all aspects of our lives. Yeah. You know, what's sad is that, and I'm going to put grandparents in

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there too, because they have a voice also. When you have a, when you, when you have a school board

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meeting, there's a certain amount of time, city council meeting, school board meeting. You've got

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maybe one minute, I don't know if it's three minutes, but you can go to the podium. And somebody,

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somebody might be saying, oh, you know, you ladies are, are debras from the Bible. I'm not like that.

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But if you think about it, number one, you're, for the circus that's taking place in your town,

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you're actually paying for it in your taxes. You're not to be slaves of what they want to

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implement. They actually work for the taxpayer. Right. This is the way our government was set up.

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We are a constitutional republic. But in that, how long does it take to go to the podium and say,

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something as simple as this, which, by the way, is the language they understand? Is I'm against,

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I'm making this up right now. I'm against AB 101, or whatever it is, or this, or what's coming

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up to vote. I'm asking you to vote. No, I'm watching how you vote on this, because it matters.

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And I am also wanting to make sure that you're held responsible for your decision.

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Friends, listen, people in leadership, that's why it's called leadership.

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They're supposed to be held responsible for their decisions.

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You can tell your local government, I'm watching how you vote on this. But in addition to that,

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I hold you responsible for the outcome of this topic, of how this turns out. You don't need

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to say anything more than that, because they believe that they can conduct themselves and initiate

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their own social experiment on people. Just know this. It was well said a moment ago. Your kids

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are the Petri dish in which this test is going on. The experiment's taking place and your child

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is the one that will pay the price no matter what. So it's remarkable. Jessica, what are we missing

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in this interview? What needs to be said? Oh, there's so much. I was thinking a little

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bit ago when you said he would have loved me either way. A few months after being fired, I was

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quickly seeing just the other side of walking out in faith, and I was just speechless. Wow, wow,

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Lord. And I actually asked him. I said, what would life look like right now if I hadn't obeyed you?

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And I had just saved my salary. And he actually, I really felt, spoke back to me and he said,

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I still would have loved you. I just couldn't have used you the way I am right now. And I was like,

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wow, that's a fact. Wow. So obedience has just come to light for me. And that's just my number one

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goal in life now is to obey. Yes. I'm talking about obedience. She's lighting up. That's exactly

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how it works. No, truly. I'm like, I question myself now. I've always called myself a Christian,

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but have I ever actually lived out my faith now that I actually have? And I've lived it. And I've

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seen the other side and I'm living it currently. I'm like, I don't know that I actually have lived it

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out prior to this. And I'm 31 and that makes me sad because I'm like, all those years, you know,

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wasted. And I was more of what it was as I was more of a rule follower, you know, good girl,

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just quiet, shy, stay in line. So I'm actually the least likely person to do what I did.

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But I knew a huge decision was on the line and I actually felt very alone because I didn't know

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anyone else who had stood up to the beast like this. And it was a very confusing time for me.

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I actually had Christians that advised me to obey my boss and do whatever they were asking me

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to do. And it was so it was very confusing. It was spiritual warfare like never before. But it

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forced me to get alone with the Lord. And that's when everything became clear. So you, that's a very

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good point that you just brought up. There's going to be Christians in your life that will say,

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I'm paraphrasing now, don't ruffle any feathers. Take the easy way out, just obey what they're

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telling you to do. But the conviction was and you guys have this so well documented in your case

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is Jessica. We are your authority. We are who you work for. We want you to lie.

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The moment you heard that, the Holy Spirit set up bells and whistles. And what's beautiful

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about your response was even to your Christian friends who basically said, don't, don't

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money up the waters. I have to obey God rather than man. And that's what it came to. And you taking

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that step. You went light years ahead in spiritual experience and growth while the others are

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still back at the finish line. They're playing it safe. They're taking their witness and they're

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bearing it under the ground waiting where you are out there. And your story is inspirational.

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And I love the fact that advocates for faith and freedom, Julianne and your team come alongside

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people like us. And I remember some years ago, we were gathering signatures for the state of

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California, not for the state of California, to fight the state of California against the

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the co-ed bathroom. And it was a Saturday. I'll never forget it. I studied it in advance. For Sunday

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got it all done, went down to our local target grocery store with our team and we're gathering

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signatures. And I was saying to people, sign the petition to stop co-ed bathrooms or whatever it

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was or AB something or SB something and nobody was signing it. And then I said, hey, help sign,

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please help us stop boys using girls showers at the same time in the state of California. And

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women went, oh, that's gross. Men stopped. All of a sudden, men started to sign the petition

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because they knew. They knew. Wait a minute. It was how it was framed. If you just say, hey,

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help stop this. It's like, what? When you say, help us stop boys being in girls showers with them

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at the same time. What? And what happened was there were those who must not have liked that,

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went into that target store, told the manager, the manager came out and told us to get out of the

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parking lot to leave. And I immediately called advocates for faith and freedom on my cell phone.

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And I got a hold of the principal attorney and I said, hey, we're being told this by by the

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store, where are you? I'm in the parking lot. That's public property. Hold your ground. And I just

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said, listen, I got my attorney on the phone right now and we have the constitutional right to hold

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our ground. And he goes, I'm going to go call our attorney. The guy goes in, did he call the attorney

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or not? I don't know. He never came out. We stood, God honored, God protected. But I wouldn't have

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had the confidence without that phone call. But I knew we were doing the right thing. And so people

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listen, you want to do the right thing. Always do the right thing. And so we got to wrap this up.

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When will this teachers don't lie websites or app or whatever it is? When are you going to get that

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out there? So the plan actually is by the time this this airs, it should it should be live. So

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people can go to our our website advocates website. So faith hyphen freedom.com and we'll have a

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landing page that is very clearly marked teachers don't lie where it's going to have these

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different resources, have our contact information, have Jessica's story on there. So by the time this

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is launched, people should be able to access that. That is awesome. I have to throw in our

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last podcast together. Yes, please do. Yes, you and I shortly after I was five. It's been over a

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year, over a year, February of last year, we did a podcast together. I shared kind of the details

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of my story. And I text Julianne yesterday and I was like, Pastor Jack, like prophesied this program

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we're starting. And I sent her the one minute clip of you literally saying like, Jessica, I think

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you need to start like an alliance for teachers, like a national reporting center where teachers

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can come who are in must have been the Lord because I have no recollection and I'll send you the clip.

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Wow. So that's a good idea. Maybe watching this, you would just click in the link provided

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of our initial interview together when she was being harassed and then eventually fired. This

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kind of put things in perspective for you. This would be a great thing I think for you to show

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to your teachers group or maybe a church gathering for your community impact group that you

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might have at church. And if you don't remember the hyphen or the slash, just google this, advocates

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for faith and freedom. That'd be so simple. It's going to take you to everything that you need to

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know. And we're just honored. We're just thrilled. Listen, these two women love God. They understand

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what God gave us as a nation. Okay, listen, this is not political. Forget politics. I'm talking about

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God putting you in a country with particular laws. If you live in Germany, God puts you in

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Germany for a reason. You have certain laws there. But if you're born in the United States, you

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have been gifted a constitutional republic. Those freedoms must be exercised like a muscle. If you

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don't exercise that muscle, it will go limp. It will become very weak. America right now is very

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weak because we have not been exercising our First Amendment rights. And so what we need to do,

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and they're doing it, they are exercising the freedoms that have been given to us. You know,

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that's called everybody. It's called stewardship. And when you're faithful and little,

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God will make you faithful and more. So listen, as always, we believe it's time for us to live out

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what we believe in. It's time for real life. They're living out the real life Christian experience

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because they know in whom they believe. They trust in the Lord Jesus Christ. And for those of you

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who don't know, he's the one who died in the cross for your sins. He's the one that rose again

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from the dead. Jesus left us, not only the Word of God and all the promises of Scripture,

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but he left us an empty tomb. There's life after death, and his name is Jesus,

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and he forgives sins. And so listen, until next time, God bless you guys, pray for these two,

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and take a stand. And you'll see that you'll, you won't be standing alone. God will be with you. God

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bless you.

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