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What's going everyone? Welcome back to the game. We talk about getting mo customers making mo profits and making mo impact

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I guess I don't I think I think that's what we talk about and so today is a special audio first edition

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So I hope you guys enjoy it. I want to talk about a concept that I've been thinking a lot about

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It's it's related to content. So I'm gonna call this the accordion of content all right

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And so I get I'd say one of the most frequently asked questions

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I get and I would say about a third of the people who listen to this podcast is me estimating but about a third of the people listen to this podcast

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Generate their leads from inbound content. So they're either doing SEO. They're doing

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They're making content on social media. They're making YouTube videos. They're making shorts

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They're basically they use organic stuff to attract customers, right?

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And one of the most common questions that I get about that

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Is quantity versus quality and no versus broad?

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All right, so that's and I do think that I have some pretty

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Develop thoughts on this as I've gone through a lot of iterations for how we create content and this is especially

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I don't know

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I feel like I have a lot of context on this because I come as somebody who didn't

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This isn't the only way that I get customers and my experience before you know acquisition.com and starting the the YouTube worlds

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that I did

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Not this at all. It was almost the majority direct response. I just kind of like paid ads

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And so adding in content and kind of branding

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Has been something that I've had to take very like scientifically and what I mean by that is like it didn't come natural to me

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I wasn't like oh, I just want to make content. I'd like first off. I'm not somebody who I don't wake up every day thinking like man

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I want to make content that's not that's not me some people are like that

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Um, I'm also not somebody who's like man. I love attention. I would say that once a month. I'm like I don't even know if I want to keep doing this

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Um, and so but the the many notes that I get from you guys honestly do keep me going

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You know, it's it's funny because like

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I get I get so much I get so much

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Pushback and sometimes hate publicly for like sharing the stuff that I do

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Um, and people were like you're faking your numbers or like this guys, you know some guru and I'm like I just

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I I just share the stuff because this is what helped me out and if it doesn't help you then don't use it, you know

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And so I I'm definitely not somebody who like you know enjoys the spotlight and you know for the vast majority of my career

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You know, now it's in the last five years

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Uh, my entire attention was to be rich and unknown

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Uh, and so it's only the last five years that that has changed anyways

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The accordion of content

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So I think what might be helpful is kind of walk you through the different seasons of content creation that I've gone through

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And then kind of explain kind of the concept of the accordion of content

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So uh in the very beginning I started making content by making Facebook lives when though those were like a thing

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Um into a group that was for gym owners

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That was basically the first thing that I did and that was what started the gym secrets podcast

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Um, I would do these lives and then we rip off the audio and then put them on this podcast, right?

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And that was July of 17 so kind of cool because that was 90 days after I lost everything which till to this day

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I think it's like the coolest thing um is that like basically from zero all the way to here is documented

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Not not always you know, the prettiest dog of mentation, but it's it's out there

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So that was kind of that was honestly I did that for like two and a half three years um before I did anything else

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Then I want to say in 2020

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20 is either very late 2019 or 2020

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Uh, nope is 2020 is 2020 almost positive 2020 uh, I decided that I thought youtube uh was a good idea

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And so I went to a vendor and uh, he said just do your normal podcasts

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But I'll just post them on youtube and so he would just trim them

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Uh, which I found out what the difference between trimming and editing was much later

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But I thought he was editing because he was actually just trimming them which just means taking out the ooze and Oz and whatever craziness that I say

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And so the reason that the first videos are like me and my closet or whatever is because I was doing

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You know like the aesthetics didn't really matter for a podcast or you know, Facebook lives

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They didn't it didn't really matter so I would just talk to my webcam and just record probably pretty terrible quality audio

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But that's what I did and so I committed to three times a week and that's and it worked

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And I think I went from zero to like 400,000 subscribers

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I think in that period of time just trimming and posting

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So then after that and so at this point just to give you like a recap here. I was just doing

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Basically only long forms. I was just doing youtube's uh and podcasts and that was basically it

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So then I had a guy who reached out to me and said hey um

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I can do these new things called reels for you and there's writers reels

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Uh and tiktok and stuff was coming out and I really didn't want to get into that. I was like uh, you know

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Sure, you can't say anything in 60 seconds all these kids with their short

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You know short time you know attention spans whatever

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But he said he would do it for no extra work for me

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He said you already have enough stuff out there

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I'll just clip stuff that already exists and I was like all right

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That's pretty compelling I don't have to do anything you can just like

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Basically advertise me for free

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And he said I'll even post it and I was like great

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And so he just started doing that and they started really doing well

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And I was like wow that's pretty cool

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After a quarter or two he said you know what work even better is if we just like flew out and just did like one dedicated day

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To get clips and so uh, that was kind of the next iteration is we would do

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A hundred clips in one day every 90 days. So that's what I would do. I'd sit down. I'd do 100 100 100 shorts in one sitting

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Once every quarter and then that basically created my clips for the the whole time period

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So I'd have one new one and then one repurpose. I'd have like two a day

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Um, so we did that for a while then I had uh a really good uh editor reach out and say hey, you know you don't

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Edit your videos like if you edited them they do better than if you just trim out the ooze and us

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And so he started editing the videos and then uh by editing them and like actually ordering them and you know

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Maybe having some sort of sequence in mind the videos did significantly better in this time period and you're like

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What happened is I would have these moments where I would say okay. I need to make more content

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So this was quantity I'd be like okay. I'm gonna make more

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I made three a week. Let's see what five a week does and one five when I would do it five a week

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All of a sudden I make you know I would have 60% more views and I was like wow

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What do you know volume works it works everywhere?

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You know I'd go from making two you know two shorts a day to five shorts a day or eight shorts a day

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By doing that we got more views and we got more people who kind of came into our world

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But what happens is at some point you're like man

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When I look at the distribution of where views go from these eight shorts a day

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It's like well every like 50 shorts

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I've got one that does like a hundred times the views

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And so then you ask yourself like man if we just try it a little harder

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On these and made a you know a little bit fewer

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Would we get you know maybe even more views and so then you accordion in from quantity to quality

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And so you start making you know fewer fewer better things and then maybe you get close to matching

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The views that you were making before

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And then you start to get used to that let's say it's two times a week instead of instead of five times a week

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And then you're like huh and you do that for you know a few months and you're like

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You know, I feel like we could go from two to four now

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I feel like we really got this down

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And so you go from two to four and then you accordion out your your quantity and then you do that

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You do the four a week for a while and you're like man

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But these you know these formats do really really well if we just focused on doing these even more

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Then we could probably cut our volume in half and hit the same total views

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But it'd be higher quality and so then you go back to quality and so quantity and quality is this accordion

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And so a lot of times I get the question of like what's the optimal amount to post

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The the true theoretical answer is that you would want to post as much as seemingly possible

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That's the highest quality stuff now. This sounds obvious duh

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But the thing is is that people think that there's some specific cadence or like oh Instagram

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There's a lot of mysticism a lot of like mythology around this like oh

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You know Instagram could only do two a day and take stock and only handle three a day and to tweeting you'd only do ten a day or whatever like

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I genuinely believe and the people who write the algorithms have come out and said this most area on Instagram

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Elon on Twitter their platform is incentivized to distribute good content

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So the more good content you have the more they will distribute it period

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Miserie even on Instagram said when you have a good post you should post again

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Fastress you can ride the benefit of the one before which kind of goes contrary to how a lot of people they're like

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It's like do that one's already on its own rocket ship

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It's like but you're getting views to your page so put more stuff out to give you an example on this

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I think one of the top Instagram pages

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Post a hundred times a day. It's an Indian account in in Bollywood

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A hundred posts a day they get nine billion views a month

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billion with a bee. It's like one for every person on earth

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That's right. That's math

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Anyways, the the answer to how much content you should make is as much

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Amazing stuff as possible

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But the here's the here's the kicker. Everyone has limited resources you've limited time you've limited bandwidth you've limited money

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For both recording editing and manpower etc

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What do you do? I think you basically think about this as the two factors you've got call it

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Q1 is quantity and Q2 is is quality is if you want Q1 times Q2 to be the highest absolute number

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That's it

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And so if you think that you can dramatically ramp up quality if you cut quantity in half

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So basically if you can more than double quality by cutting volume in half then you should do it

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If you can keep quality more or less the same and double quantity

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Now I will say this on a personal note is that

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In general when you increase quantity

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You almost always grow and that's usually because when you know how to do something at a certain level

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Just doing it more is typically easier than doing it better

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Because usually you're like I don't know but I'll just do more now

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But here's the crazy part is that the more you do it the better you get at it

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It is it is not a problem to be solved

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Is the dichotomy to be managed

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So that's the accordion on quality and quantity

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Now the next one that I get really a lot of questions about is the topics themselves

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What do I talk about right what what what what blog post do I make what emails do I send what shorts do I make what longs do I make

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And as someone who's experimented with this a lot

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I feel like I have a decent amount to say on the subject

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So obviously I am first and foremost for business owners right that's that you guys are my people

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That's why I do this from a financial perspective

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But I am not immune to the fact that if I make a meals video or if I make just kind of a generic life advice video

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It will almost always do significantly better asterisk if we measure it by views

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Now does that necessarily translate to more sales in the data that I've collected the answers know

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asterisk again

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But there is some nuance which I want to explain and so I said this is the accordion of content

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But the second accordion is the narrow versus broad

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Which is I have gone super broad for periods of time being like okay, I want to you know get as basically the theory is

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If I just talk about everything that's really big and affects everyone if I talk about health

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I talk about relationships. Maybe I talk about just personal finance. Those are very broad topics

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I talk about careers jobs things like that. Those are broad topics that affect almost everybody

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The theory would state that if I got the whole world in my audience using that stuff

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Then I'll have a smaller percentage of people as relative percent of my audience that are you know business owners

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But I will have a higher absolute amount now when we did this in practice

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It didn't actually work out that way and that's because branding doesn't work that way

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And I'll give you a simple example in this

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So I don't know if you know Kim Kardashian started a fund for private equity

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And she recently had to close down the fund and I actually don't think it got a lot of press

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I don't know why maybe it didn't maybe got a maybe they had a five day new cycle

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Anyways, I noticed that they had to shut it down or or didn't it wasn't performing the way they had expected

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And so you would you think well wait everybody knows who Kim Kardashian is and so

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She should be able to raise one monster money and to be able to like you know crush things

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But the thing is is that her influence is not of a business person think about that for a second

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Do you trust Kim for beauty? Sure. Do you trust her for fashion? Sure

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Why because she's demonstrated that she's got you know 20 plus years

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Or 30 plus years that man has been a while anyways a while

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That she's been kind of like a fashion icon. I think she's she's wanted that now

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I think she's tried to shift towards business tycoon or business woman

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But it takes a long time to quote undo

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You know 20 30 years of branding right and so she doesn't have the same influence in business as say somebody who's

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Maybe a much smaller creator, but it's provided significant value. So I want to explain the difference here

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There are elements of persuasion one of them is power so I'm explaining what that is so power

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In different contexts could mean different things, but for the purpose of what we're talking about we want

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Say do correspondence

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Which means if I say hey

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Raise your price in this way and then you end up raising your price in that way and it works

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You will like me more and that likeness will be specific to the domain

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under which

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The context of the deliverable occurred all right that hopefully sounded like a little bit of

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Mountain, you know wordy, but you know well follow along with me

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If I then go and say hey, here's fashion advice that probably wouldn't be on brand for me, right?

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I'm not known as a fashion icon probably laughably so right and so it would be very weird for me to start a fashion line

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And so to the same degree, you know, Kim doesn't talk about business not much and even if she does she doesn't talk about stuff that are

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You know provide value to business owners now she might talk about wealth in general

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But not something that she says do this and this other, you know, valuable thing occurs now

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I'll give you a different example so Martha Stewart

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I think became one of the most influential people

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Because she literally gave out instructions she gave out recipes and people would follow the recipes

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And they get a good outcome, which is the cookies were great the cake was great

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I did this key, and it was amazing whatever they followed the steps got the good outcome and then as a result liked Martha Moore

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And here's the cool part about this people don't need to follow all of your instructions

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All my views metrics went up, but all the matter the metrics that mattered to me actually went down

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Probably not I think about nine months in this time period all of the metrics that matter to me have gone back up

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Which I care a lot about now within the context of business the objective is still to be or within the context or whatever your narrow thing is that the

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Business content accessible to more people so that it's both narrow and wide. So here let me explain what I mean by that before we pre-couple on

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So for example if I said how to get your first five customers that will be only valuable to someone who's a beginner

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Somebody's advanced already knows how to get their first five customers. They're not that interested in that

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But still gets me the people that I want which is business owners, right?

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You're like again, how does this go to the according? I'm gonna get there as my content has gone from you know

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Supernitch to what I want to talk about to super broad to now what I try to aspire to do is both narrow and

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Wide together content which within a business theme I

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Over this last nine months have had people who I really like a lot who are in my life who said you know what's interesting?

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You know, it actually really resonated with me

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But they're business owners, but they're like your philosophy is what ranked true to me like it wasn't sugar coated

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It wasn't fluffy and you know, you didn't seem like a complete asshole

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It has shifted my perspective yet again. I'm going to explain my current thesis for the quote perfect thing to be managed

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I already give you the perfect algorithm for quantity quality which is

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Maximum quantity maximum quality is the goal right now. What is the goal with content for topics?

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You want max wide and max narrow so that's the obvious one, but here's the here's the little special ticker

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Is that I believe that the content should reflect who you are

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Narrow and white on your topic I think you'll build a super super super loyal following from that thing

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Does more benefit than it does harm now if you get obsessed with that game and then get into the the views game then you then you lose

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Right, but it's that little bit it's like it's like in a in a brand when you have like you know

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That also allows in my opinion because we live in a world of algorithms allows the algorithm to go fishing outside of the the normal pool

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Actually came from stuff that wasn't really business centric. I would say that my my adaptation here

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For how they do strategic business planning. So they have the 70-2010 rule which I've talked about before

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That's the meat that's the mean potatoes of what I'm going to put out

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X thing right so it's still going to be business flavored, but it's adjacent that's going to be the 20%

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Right, so one out of 10 videos should be something that's just like something I'm just really passionate about or something

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I'm really interested in and so for me it's like I'm probably going to do

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I just don't and you'll probably get to see a difference out of me because a lot of you forget that like I come from the gym world

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I actually am probably the ideal equipment collector because I'm both bodybuilder and incredibly wealthy

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I'm kidding. I will not about the wealth but kidding about stating it

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I can tell you why I have every single piece in there

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What making model it was the other ones I was considering why like this one and it'll be a really fun video

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Of expertise in a different domain and I think that'll be interesting for some people for other people you won't care

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Split is the quote answer to the accordion of wide versus narrow

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In content and so those are the two accordions that I consider on a regular basis

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Which is we're always going to make more quantity and then we're going to trim it down and make

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Bet make it better and then when we do better we're going to say can we do better and more and then we're going to do more

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And then we're going to say hey man if we could just do this better we do you do better and we just accordion back and forth

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And here we're going to have wide and narrow and sometimes we're going to have some broad content

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But it's going to be less so and then we're going to focus for the most part on the narrow stuff that is core

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To our audience and so for those of you who make content

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In terms of like answering the eternal questions of like am I making enough content is my content good enough

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What topic should I be making it on and I think the answer is there is no one answer and it is also dynamic over time

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You may find yourself

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Leaning more towards some of this type of you know x type of content for a while and I think the key to making this

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Because I'm definitely somebody who it has to be something that I want to do. I won't do it

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If you can't make content for 10 years you shouldn't make content and so solving for a decade

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Is probably how it reverses into your my day
