WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.840 Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:09.960 truth, equip the saints, and impact our culture. Hey you guys we're getting 3 00:00:09.960 --> 00:00:13.400 together with our friend Barry McGuire. We're gonna be talking about faith and 4 00:00:13.400 --> 00:00:18.660 what is the church's role? What are we doing and are we even doing it? Let's find 5 00:00:18.660 --> 00:00:20.400 out. 6 00:00:20.400 --> 00:00:29.640 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. 7 00:00:29.640 --> 00:00:35.000 Today if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled 8 00:00:35.000 --> 00:00:39.840 life in Christ, then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us 9 00:00:39.840 --> 00:00:45.000 that's like saying amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to 10 00:00:45.000 --> 00:00:50.480 listen. Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack 11 00:00:50.480 --> 00:00:56.560 Hibbs. Hey everybody welcome to this episode of the Jack Hibbs podcast and we're 12 00:00:56.560 --> 00:01:00.880 gonna have some fun today and first of all before we get going you guys know the 13 00:01:00.880 --> 00:01:05.400 jingle right at the end of every program that we say it's time for you to live 14 00:01:05.400 --> 00:01:10.440 out what you believe in. It's time for real life. That's the whole essence of what 15 00:01:10.480 --> 00:01:16.840 we're doing is living out your faith in a real life setting. And so our argument 16 00:01:16.840 --> 00:01:21.280 is to you as always it's time for you and I to do that because the world is 17 00:01:21.280 --> 00:01:25.440 hurting. The world isn't trouble and it needs you and I to be obedient and I 18 00:01:25.440 --> 00:01:30.600 can't think of a man. I don't know a man who's been more obedient longer with the 19 00:01:30.600 --> 00:01:37.280 same message. Here's what's key. The message hasn't changed. Consistent, faithful, 20 00:01:37.280 --> 00:01:43.240 blessed witness, remarkable. I'm talking about our good friend and a precious man 21 00:01:43.240 --> 00:01:48.800 of God, Barry Maguire and so Barry. I would shake your hand and all that stuff but 22 00:01:48.800 --> 00:01:52.320 we're two. We know each other too well to do that. Maybe maybe we'll do that all 23 00:01:52.320 --> 00:01:57.320 this. That works. That works. The message is the same but the the poignancy of the 24 00:01:57.320 --> 00:02:03.440 message and the interest in the message is far greater. That's true. Explain why 25 00:02:03.440 --> 00:02:10.120 that's the case. We're worried about to have times. God doesn't he looks at 26 00:02:10.120 --> 00:02:15.920 things entirely different. When you and I look around the world, we know that 27 00:02:15.920 --> 00:02:20.360 Christianity is growing. People are coming to the Lord in in the highest of 28 00:02:20.360 --> 00:02:24.200 numbers where there's persecution. Yeah, that's true. If we're God, we look down 29 00:02:24.200 --> 00:02:31.760 and we say, okay, the persecution is working great. That that yep. All that 30 00:02:31.760 --> 00:02:35.600 prosperity stuff. That's that's not working so good. Just goes out the window 31 00:02:35.600 --> 00:02:39.280 when there's shakes, prosperity doctrine goes out the window. And I dare say 32 00:02:39.280 --> 00:02:43.920 whether you're a Trump supporter or not, if Trump had been reelected, it would 33 00:02:43.920 --> 00:02:47.560 be easy to say we could have gone on with the with better times in economy 34 00:02:47.560 --> 00:02:52.640 whatever one might say that. And there'd be no rush to God. Yeah. But the fact 35 00:02:52.640 --> 00:02:56.480 the matter is I don't want to blame any point. I'm just saying that times are bad 36 00:02:56.520 --> 00:03:04.160 right now. Supernaturally bad. The people are this is not natural. I hear it. I'm 37 00:03:04.160 --> 00:03:08.760 I'm amongst people that don't know the Lord all the time. I'm in car shows. I'm 38 00:03:08.760 --> 00:03:12.800 with thousands of people. All I hear it. I hear it. And they're coming up. But 39 00:03:12.800 --> 00:03:16.280 what is going on? They want to know inquiring something to whatever that we 40 00:03:16.280 --> 00:03:22.800 really do. So I think the Lord is allowing these hard times to bring revival. 41 00:03:23.120 --> 00:03:28.240 I think I think the world is getting it faster than the church. The church seems 42 00:03:28.240 --> 00:03:32.560 to be still asleep. But the world, I mean, there's this the the scripture 43 00:03:32.560 --> 00:03:36.800 of course, the harvest is white for harvest. Absolutely. I think it's white for 44 00:03:36.800 --> 00:03:41.200 it's I think it's already there. Yeah. Everybody's asking everybody searching. They 45 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:44.160 really know. I think because he said that 2000 years ago, it's been in the 46 00:03:44.160 --> 00:03:46.960 Bible. It's been in the pages of the Bible ever since that it's always the 47 00:03:46.960 --> 00:03:51.760 season. I think every generation of every decade of every century of every 48 00:03:51.760 --> 00:03:57.600 millennia, the harvest is is is is massive and is ready. Isn't it amazing? 49 00:03:57.600 --> 00:04:05.440 What a strange thing is who can figure that Jesus's challenge is pray to the 50 00:04:05.440 --> 00:04:08.960 Lord of the harvest. That's the Holy Spirit. Pray and ask the spirit of God 51 00:04:08.960 --> 00:04:14.720 descend laborers into the harvest. The lost are there. The need for us as 52 00:04:14.720 --> 00:04:19.760 believers to engage the culture with the gospel is a command and yet 53 00:04:19.760 --> 00:04:25.520 bury why in your opinion. Why? Why is there a deficit in in people 54 00:04:25.520 --> 00:04:30.560 sharing the gospel? Well, that's there's a long list. It is it is read. 55 00:04:30.560 --> 00:04:34.480 Yes, send them God. He didn't send somebody to fix us. Is that what we pay our 56 00:04:34.480 --> 00:04:38.960 pastor to do? Exactly. That's the pastor's job. Not my job. 57 00:04:40.080 --> 00:04:42.880 There's a there's a whole lot of reasons we've talked about those a lot. The 58 00:04:42.880 --> 00:04:47.680 fear is certainly one of them. You know, I almost think not caring 59 00:04:47.680 --> 00:04:52.480 is at the top of the list. Epathy. Epathy. I mean, if you really concentrate, 60 00:04:52.480 --> 00:04:56.800 if you're really thinking about what hell is and it's eternal, 61 00:04:57.840 --> 00:05:02.080 you don't want your worst enemies to go through that. I mean, you just don't. 62 00:05:02.720 --> 00:05:06.960 And if you come to cognizance, but we don't talk about how you do, you share, 63 00:05:06.960 --> 00:05:11.440 you have this balanced ministry, but most churches do not. It's not not 64 00:05:11.440 --> 00:05:14.480 popular to talk about hell anymore. It pushes people away. They won't come back 65 00:05:14.640 --> 00:05:17.440 to it. We can pay for my buildings. You know, I need to get everybody back. 66 00:05:18.000 --> 00:05:22.560 There you go. So the way I look at the gospel is twofold. God 67 00:05:24.560 --> 00:05:28.400 is extraordinary, whatever he did. He was an extraordinary reward. 68 00:05:29.200 --> 00:05:34.560 And he gave us an extraordinary punishment. And we have the choice. And he gave us free choice. 69 00:05:34.560 --> 00:05:40.240 And he goes, hell is so horrible, but he begs that clear. But we've stopped talking about 70 00:05:40.320 --> 00:05:46.400 the other side. So most Christians today don't even think about hell anymore. There's no urgency. 71 00:05:46.400 --> 00:05:50.960 There's no urgency. And that's the gospel. The gospel is very much, I will talk to him as much 72 00:05:50.960 --> 00:05:55.120 about hell as it does about heaven. I mean, it's balanced there. And we need to know those two 73 00:05:55.120 --> 00:05:59.680 in the church, not, not, not Calvary Chapel, but, but the church. And I would go to church 74 00:05:59.680 --> 00:06:03.120 all over the country. That's not talked about. And I'm finding in fact studies, 75 00:06:03.120 --> 00:06:09.120 even show that most evangelicals now are not thinking about hell anymore. And this is tragic. 76 00:06:09.200 --> 00:06:15.840 At this moment in time, when we could be at the end of time, that's a huge motivator that 77 00:06:15.840 --> 00:06:19.680 we're not even thinking about. Well, you've got a great book that's available to everybody. 78 00:06:19.680 --> 00:06:24.320 We want you to get your hands on Barry's book Ignite Your Life. This is an incredibly encouraging 79 00:06:24.320 --> 00:06:30.320 book, especially for, it's great for everybody. But for the person who says, well, I don't know if I 80 00:06:30.320 --> 00:06:36.000 can share my faith. You need this book. And I'm not just saying so for Barry to sell books. 81 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:43.120 This is so extremely systematically helpful on how you be in a believer. You've been called by 82 00:06:43.120 --> 00:06:50.000 God to share the Lord and the love of the Lord among whoever you come in contact with. To thank 83 00:06:50.000 --> 00:06:56.240 every day, and I know Barry, his wife, Karen, we all think this way that today when I wake up, 84 00:06:56.240 --> 00:07:02.000 God's got appointments for me that I'm not even aware of. So whoever comes across our doorstep 85 00:07:02.720 --> 00:07:06.800 or wherever we're at, that this has been ordained by God. I mean, can you live like that? 86 00:07:06.800 --> 00:07:12.320 Would you live like that? To thank, hey, my life is under so much control. If he's controlling 87 00:07:12.320 --> 00:07:17.760 the waves and the Jupiter and the Mars and the Sun moving, can't he control my life right now? 88 00:07:17.760 --> 00:07:22.800 So that when I'm at the store today, that person who our paths cross, could it be a divine 89 00:07:22.800 --> 00:07:29.040 appointment? Rather than sit around and figure out if it is or not, go for it. Step out and say, 90 00:07:29.120 --> 00:07:33.520 hey, can I pray for you about something or whatever it might be, but show the love of God. It's just 91 00:07:33.520 --> 00:07:38.960 not for a few, but I think you hit the nail on the head. I really do believe this as well 92 00:07:39.760 --> 00:07:48.000 that there is a neglect in the pulpit from teaching it. No doubt that is heaven and hell, repentance 93 00:07:48.000 --> 00:07:56.080 of sin, the glories of heaven. But there's an apathy where, oh, you know what? If heaven is just an 94 00:07:56.080 --> 00:08:02.000 add-on to my life right now, okay, I'll sign up. I got my Costco card, AAA card, 95 00:08:02.960 --> 00:08:09.200 season ticket holder to this. I'll get my Jesus card. If you don't realize that there's a real hell 96 00:08:09.200 --> 00:08:17.840 that costs God his life on the cross, that it is so real and it's so bad that Jesus said it was 97 00:08:17.840 --> 00:08:25.120 prepared for the devil and his fallen angels. So for us to fluff that off is to actually, 98 00:08:25.680 --> 00:08:29.200 I, this might be harsh, but it's actually a form of unbelief. 99 00:08:30.400 --> 00:08:34.320 Oh, what really is? Of course, a lot of people say God wouldn't send me to hell. I'm too good 100 00:08:34.320 --> 00:08:38.960 a person. You're already on your way, but they don't understand God. They don't understand God 101 00:08:38.960 --> 00:08:43.040 doesn't send me away to hell. It's your choice. It's your choice. Yeah, you wonder if you can, 102 00:08:43.920 --> 00:08:48.080 there's only one way to get to heaven, of course. Jesus tries to died for your sins. So when you 103 00:08:48.080 --> 00:08:53.600 recognize that, recognize your sinner, we all are. I mean, I have a lot of friends that question 104 00:08:53.600 --> 00:08:59.840 that. But my gracious, we all were there in our honesty and to think that he died for his sins, 105 00:08:59.840 --> 00:09:04.800 the only way we get to heaven, the only way, there was no other way. You look at there's no other way 106 00:09:04.800 --> 00:09:10.320 God could have made a way for we can stand before Holy God in a pure environment. Can't stand sin 107 00:09:10.320 --> 00:09:15.280 and we can stand their face to face looking at him, clothing his righteousness because he sent 108 00:09:15.280 --> 00:09:21.600 his son to die for us. And that's the essence of everything if you don't, if you don't capture it. 109 00:09:21.600 --> 00:09:27.440 But more importantly, we only have a short time. I think people don't understand what face 110 00:09:27.440 --> 00:09:33.760 sharing does for them, for you. Right. Because we've been taught all our lives that you got to do all 111 00:09:33.760 --> 00:09:38.880 this and have training and you got to recite all this stuff and find one person today. And first 112 00:09:38.880 --> 00:09:44.080 off, with all the people you're going to see today, they're going to hell. You pick one. And it's 113 00:09:44.080 --> 00:09:48.320 usually the least likely one that responds the fastest. So we just say, move everybody 114 00:09:49.120 --> 00:09:52.880 every day close to just move everybody. Just make sure if nothing more than just attaching God 115 00:09:52.880 --> 00:09:57.200 bless you, but make sure you move everybody. Don't miss a person, including with your spouse on the 116 00:09:57.200 --> 00:10:03.600 order. Okay. You have that. But then it just opens up the door and you just love on people. 117 00:10:04.240 --> 00:10:10.320 And it's amazing what what takes place there. But more importantly, the specifics of all that is 118 00:10:10.320 --> 00:10:15.040 God doesn't want anybody to be lost. He doesn't want anybody to be lost. He came to seek and 119 00:10:15.040 --> 00:10:20.080 save the loss that none be lost. He doesn't want anybody to. But when he gave us free choice, 120 00:10:20.080 --> 00:10:25.360 he opens up the door for people to be lost. And quite frankly, more will be lost as the scripture 121 00:10:25.360 --> 00:10:31.920 described. And so he treasures angels. That's why the angels rejoice when every every new person 122 00:10:31.920 --> 00:10:37.040 that comes to receive Jesus Christ. It's just so huge. And because we're losing most of them, 123 00:10:37.040 --> 00:10:43.520 what we got one. But there's another piece. The other piece is when when we now receive our 124 00:10:43.520 --> 00:10:49.200 own salvation, what we realize that the number one goal for God right now between now and whenever 125 00:10:49.200 --> 00:10:54.640 the time the incomes, he wants to get as many of us into heaven as possible. That's his goal. 126 00:10:54.640 --> 00:10:59.440 That's his goal. He is what it's not about how many we do this or this and all these good things. 127 00:10:59.440 --> 00:11:04.320 Just how do we get people into heaven? And when we sign on, we say, we're going to help you do that. 128 00:11:05.120 --> 00:11:11.200 My gracious, then all the blessings come. So he really says, there's a wonderful scripture, Isaiah 43, 129 00:11:11.200 --> 00:11:17.840 10 where he says, I appoint you as my witness so that you will believe. I would think he'd say, 130 00:11:17.840 --> 00:11:22.960 I appoint you as my witness so they'll believe. But he says so that you'll believe. So the primary 131 00:11:22.960 --> 00:11:27.200 reason for sharing your faith is not what you think it is. You've been thinking to reach the loss. 132 00:11:27.200 --> 00:11:32.400 I need I need to go out there and do that. And that's not my task. It's about you. Because when you 133 00:11:32.400 --> 00:11:37.520 share your faith, the whole dynamic in your life changes. I got to tell you. And when you feel 134 00:11:37.520 --> 00:11:42.880 God speaking to you without without preparation, and he gives you the words to say, you know, God, 135 00:11:42.880 --> 00:11:48.480 not only orchestrates our lives, right? But but the other person's life brings us together in the 136 00:11:48.480 --> 00:11:53.520 most amazing ways. And you know, that's happening in the midst of it. And you know, God's giving you 137 00:11:53.520 --> 00:11:58.480 words to say, he gives you the words to say, well, you don't have them. And then the person's changing 138 00:11:58.480 --> 00:12:02.640 in front of you. That's an experience you can't have any other way folks. If you've not experienced 139 00:12:02.640 --> 00:12:08.240 that, you've missed the joy of being a Christian. You have no idea how excited it is to be a Christian. 140 00:12:08.240 --> 00:12:14.000 And about 90% around you are lost. And so you have that opportunity every day. And when you move them, 141 00:12:14.000 --> 00:12:18.320 and and don't worry about getting them saved in the spot, just move them closer, just be there and 142 00:12:18.320 --> 00:12:23.840 love on them with no agenda. Beary, give us an example for somebody who's asking several times, 143 00:12:23.840 --> 00:12:28.720 bearer, you've mentioned move them closer. Give us an example as to what would that look like 144 00:12:28.720 --> 00:12:34.320 moving them closer? Granted, you're you may not lead them to the front of the altar at the moment 145 00:12:35.360 --> 00:12:39.520 moving them closer. What does that look like? What would be something? Well, first off, you do it 146 00:12:39.520 --> 00:12:46.080 with your own countenance. You know, I mean, just you know, when you're doing it, he gives you joy. 147 00:12:46.080 --> 00:12:50.800 He said, when you bear fruit, you talked about this just recently as sermon. When you bear fruit, 148 00:12:50.800 --> 00:12:54.400 my jaw remained with you and your jaw remained full. If you're if your countenance is heavy, 149 00:12:54.400 --> 00:12:58.240 nobody wants to plan on what he has. Oh boy, kind of like, 150 00:12:58.240 --> 00:13:03.040 quite frankly, most Christians aren't Christians because of Christians. I mean, it's just 151 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:08.080 sad truth. We're witnesses for the prosecution, right? Yeah. And so we're we're in full 152 00:13:08.080 --> 00:13:12.320 time ministry and just love on view. When you're looking and expecting to have conversation, 153 00:13:12.320 --> 00:13:17.200 just the presence of that people want to talk with you. They almost want to say, why are you so 154 00:13:17.200 --> 00:13:22.000 happy? I want some of that. So you already have credibility with them. And then you just 155 00:13:22.000 --> 00:13:26.640 mentioned and it can't force feed it. You know, God is so good to me. I just say, well, 156 00:13:27.520 --> 00:13:32.080 why are you so happy? Why are you letting me? God loves me and He likes to love people through me. 157 00:13:32.080 --> 00:13:37.840 And then I change the subject. I don't want to be heavy because I can push them away so quickly. 158 00:13:37.840 --> 00:13:41.360 And they're expecting heavy. They're expecting heavy. And then I just let go and I start, 159 00:13:41.360 --> 00:13:46.320 hey, how about those Dodgers or whatever? And I leave it and I won't go back to it in that setting. 160 00:13:46.320 --> 00:13:51.760 That's very wise because you're trusting the spirit of God to take that little bit of that 161 00:13:51.760 --> 00:13:56.880 seed being planted. Yes. And let it. And let the Holy Spirit, and let the Holy Spirit, 162 00:13:56.880 --> 00:14:01.840 it's orchestrating that. We're not doing our own. It's a Holy Spirit. He, he organized it. 163 00:14:01.840 --> 00:14:06.000 And if they're hungry, they'll start asking you questions. There you go. So I say it's like 164 00:14:06.000 --> 00:14:10.000 throwing out chum when you go to need to fish it through our chum and that attracts the fish to 165 00:14:10.000 --> 00:14:14.960 come to catch the hook. And so I have chum lines going out all over the place. 166 00:14:16.560 --> 00:14:22.080 Everybody knows of a Christian. I'm never overbearing. I never preach at all. I never get away from 167 00:14:22.080 --> 00:14:26.880 bearing it. I just always talk about God. No, I'm a regular person. I have all kinds of patients. 168 00:14:28.080 --> 00:14:31.520 But I always in the middle of every conversation through. I got a little bit just let me go. 169 00:14:31.520 --> 00:14:36.000 Everybody knows of a Christian when they're in need, when they're hungry, the phone goes. 170 00:14:36.720 --> 00:14:40.000 So let's talk real quick just so you put this in perspective. For some of you, 171 00:14:40.000 --> 00:14:43.840 you might be saying, well, I love what this guy is saying. Who is he again? Barry McGuire. 172 00:14:44.800 --> 00:14:49.440 Some of you may not be familiar. So it's almost impossible for me to 173 00:14:50.880 --> 00:14:58.240 give an introduction into the world that he influences. But we're talking about the 174 00:14:58.240 --> 00:15:06.080 McGuire car products that are global. The car, the car guy, the car crazy programming. 175 00:15:07.920 --> 00:15:13.120 Listen, I can say this. He's a legend in the car world. And those that are legends, 176 00:15:13.120 --> 00:15:22.400 such as Jay Leno and others, they know that they share the same passion with Barry. But 177 00:15:23.040 --> 00:15:28.560 what they're learning about is a passion that is greater than that. So for example, 178 00:15:29.200 --> 00:15:36.160 somebody like a Jay Leno or somebody like, you know, fill in the blank, they know you. They use 179 00:15:36.160 --> 00:15:42.480 their, your products on their treasures. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Because there's some guys I would assume 180 00:15:42.480 --> 00:15:48.000 it's all over the world. But in Southern California, there are people who have warehouses of cars 181 00:15:48.000 --> 00:15:52.560 and all of their products, all of their cars are taken care of by your products. Point being is 182 00:15:52.560 --> 00:15:59.920 that's their treasure. And then Barry comes along, talks car with them. But they know that Barry loves 183 00:15:59.920 --> 00:16:06.240 Jesus. And so it would it be possible? You can, you can maybe not, not name anybody to protect them. 184 00:16:06.240 --> 00:16:12.240 But could you share one of those moving someone closer to Jesus in your world? I can't know 185 00:16:12.320 --> 00:16:17.440 with one of the most famous guys. He's passed away now. But yeah, the car guy thing is the 186 00:16:18.160 --> 00:16:23.760 credibility. They know, they know that I'm not just, I don't spend all day long in my Bible and 187 00:16:23.760 --> 00:16:29.760 praying and come out once about to try to get somewhere. I have a lot of patience. I am a car guy. 188 00:16:29.760 --> 00:16:37.280 I love making cars look perfect, you know. But I have sports and politics and food and places. 189 00:16:37.280 --> 00:16:42.160 I made it all that stuff. But you just always have this on your mind. But you're always sharing. 190 00:16:42.160 --> 00:16:48.320 So there was the most thing I was at the head of hot rotting. I'm going back to the 40s now. 191 00:16:48.320 --> 00:16:54.960 I was getting George Bears. Yeah. Okay. Okay. And he he was called the King of Customizers. 192 00:16:54.960 --> 00:17:00.960 And I knew him all my life. And his his wife actually was going to church. He had nothing to do with 193 00:17:00.960 --> 00:17:07.360 God. He was he was a bit of a caricature. Okay. So I'm always sharing with him. I mean over the 194 00:17:07.360 --> 00:17:12.400 decades, always share with him. I see them. Something comes along and I'll send you as a brain tumor. 195 00:17:12.400 --> 00:17:18.720 There you go. A crisis. I love crisis. That's right. I've led so many people to the Lord during a crisis. 196 00:17:18.720 --> 00:17:24.560 I think God for crisis. We think bad news and bad news is not. God uses these kind of things as a 197 00:17:24.560 --> 00:17:30.000 wake-up call to us. That's right. And George bears is in heaven today. He wasn't his whole life. 198 00:17:30.720 --> 00:17:37.040 He was he was pushing at the late 80s. And because of his tumor, then he wanted to talk. That's right. 199 00:17:37.040 --> 00:17:43.120 He wasn't ready. I couldn't push him. I could not push him. I loved on him. I prayed for him. I 200 00:17:43.120 --> 00:17:48.400 shared with him. He wasn't ready. Wow. And at the end of his life, I had a brain tumor. And the 201 00:17:48.400 --> 00:17:53.520 last thing he said, his son, his grandson and his mom, they reported the last thing they did. 202 00:17:54.080 --> 00:17:58.000 They walked into the nurse and she says, do you know your name? Yeah, George bears. 203 00:17:58.960 --> 00:18:04.960 Do you know your age? He gave us age. Then she says, what are you most thankful for? The nurse 204 00:18:04.960 --> 00:18:09.760 asked him, what are you most thankful for? He said that Jesus is here saving me. Wow. The last 205 00:18:09.760 --> 00:18:17.760 thing he said to us, family, after decades of praying for George. That's right. But I you can't 206 00:18:17.760 --> 00:18:23.520 push. You push them. Move away. That's right. And now there's sometimes, there's sometimes when 207 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:29.680 somebody, you got to just give you, you need to be aggressive. That's someone usual. It isn't 208 00:18:29.680 --> 00:18:33.200 usual. I mean, only maybe three or four times that's ever happened to me, but each time, boom, 209 00:18:33.200 --> 00:18:39.600 they're just waiting to pray. They're already. But most of the time, it's just you just let them 210 00:18:39.600 --> 00:18:44.080 take over the agenda. So you're not, you don't offend anything. And I never argue with anybody. 211 00:18:44.160 --> 00:18:48.640 I know Paul and Jackson's wonderful. I don't do that. Yes, right. I don't argue with them. I've never 212 00:18:48.640 --> 00:18:52.720 had one conversation about Paul and Jackson 50 years of share by faith. The way he said, well, 213 00:18:52.720 --> 00:18:57.440 was creation a thousand years? No, no, they stick into this. What they wouldn't know is, 214 00:18:57.440 --> 00:19:02.960 does God really love them? You tell somebody God loves them. Most of the time, they can't receive it. 215 00:19:02.960 --> 00:19:07.600 That's right. They think of all the stuff they've done and all the stuff that's had 216 00:19:07.600 --> 00:19:12.880 to be that they think God's beating up on them. God must hate me. And when you tell God, 217 00:19:12.880 --> 00:19:17.200 loves you, no, he does love you. No, I can love you. No, actually, he loves all the say, 218 00:19:17.200 --> 00:19:21.600 you know, he loves you as much as he's ever loved anybody. And they're just speechless. They're 219 00:19:21.600 --> 00:19:26.480 not arguing with you. They just can't hardly believe it. It's not hard to share the love of God. 220 00:19:26.480 --> 00:19:32.560 You just love to share the love of God. It's awesome. What you're saying, uh, where in my family, 221 00:19:32.560 --> 00:19:39.920 my, my mom, my dad and my sister, they, they saw the transformation of my life when I became a 222 00:19:39.920 --> 00:19:49.280 Christian. They watched it. Years went by and then decades went by. I had shared with them the 223 00:19:49.280 --> 00:19:56.960 gospel. Then time comes for us to be doing a home Bible study that turns into a decent-sized 224 00:19:56.960 --> 00:20:04.720 church. They watched all this and I would share with them until there was a point where I remember 225 00:20:04.720 --> 00:20:08.800 the Lord saying or impressing on my heart, you don't need to share it with them anymore. 226 00:20:09.520 --> 00:20:13.200 They know the way. Yeah. And that was like, you know, that's quite of a shock. 227 00:20:13.200 --> 00:20:19.120 All the Holy Spirit. Exactly. The Holy Spirit. So what I could not do in evangelism, 228 00:20:19.680 --> 00:20:25.760 but I did plant the seed by God's grace. All three of them wound up coming to Christ eventually 229 00:20:25.760 --> 00:20:32.480 because of cancers. It was them not being able to defeat cancer that proved to them they were 230 00:20:32.480 --> 00:20:38.560 weak, proved to them that they were mortals and then proved to them that they were in trouble. 231 00:20:38.560 --> 00:20:43.920 And that's when they came and picked up the phone and said, can you tell me about Jesus again? 232 00:20:44.560 --> 00:20:53.120 And my mom, my dad and my sister, three people who are in heaven today because of suffering, 233 00:20:53.120 --> 00:20:58.880 the crisis. I'm a, you've heard me preach and speak before about how I'm a real, one of the 234 00:20:58.880 --> 00:21:04.400 reasons why I'm a real big fan of AWS Tozer as an author is because he speaks often about people 235 00:21:04.400 --> 00:21:11.360 needing a crisis of faith because it's the crisis that drives this luxury of belief or not, 236 00:21:12.800 --> 00:21:17.680 urgently down into your heart to faith where, hey, right now if everything's fine and 237 00:21:17.680 --> 00:21:21.920 cool with you and you've got the money and you got the health and the youth, you don't really care 238 00:21:21.920 --> 00:21:26.640 about trusting Christ for eternity because you think you've got the world by the tail. I had a 239 00:21:26.720 --> 00:21:32.400 US Army general tell me, notice that we send young men into battle first because they don't think 240 00:21:32.400 --> 00:21:37.920 they're going to get shot. It's the old guy who's way in the back. He knows how fragile life is. 241 00:21:37.920 --> 00:21:41.680 But if you're young and you're just like, I got it, I got it. I don't need to hear this. I 242 00:21:41.680 --> 00:21:47.520 understand that. We all live that way. But eventually, mortality is going to catch up with you. 243 00:21:48.080 --> 00:21:52.480 And when Barry talks about somebody hearing about God and they feel like they're getting beat up, 244 00:21:53.120 --> 00:22:00.720 I do believe, even if no one has beaten up on them, I do believe that there's that flinch 245 00:22:00.720 --> 00:22:05.920 that people feel because Jesus says that the Spirit of God would be convicting people of sin. 246 00:22:07.600 --> 00:22:13.760 And that's an important thing because people know that they're not perfect. Even the ones who tell 247 00:22:13.760 --> 00:22:18.000 you and I, I don't need you guys. I don't need the message you're preaching. I'm good. 248 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:27.280 They don't know that we know that they're lying about themselves. We can see right through 249 00:22:27.280 --> 00:22:33.280 that. But listen, when suffering hits, then then you start grabbing for things that are 250 00:22:33.920 --> 00:22:40.480 hopefully firm and nothing's firm except him. And fear. I love fear. When you find out the 251 00:22:40.480 --> 00:22:47.440 abyss of Americans are living in fear. It's a great motivator. It's a great motivator. 252 00:22:48.640 --> 00:22:54.560 How do I escape fear? And we have the answer. Because when you're living with God, of course, 253 00:22:54.560 --> 00:22:58.720 we know God's in control. And then all of his promises, it's just we live in peace. You and I 254 00:22:58.720 --> 00:23:04.000 live in peace. Nothing can help into us because it lets God allow us it. That's right. Because we're 255 00:23:04.000 --> 00:23:10.320 living for him. So to get an even for Christians, when you share your faith, when you share your 256 00:23:10.320 --> 00:23:16.400 faith, it opens the door to like Romans 8, 20, he says, when you live for my purposes, 257 00:23:16.400 --> 00:23:21.680 purposes of seeking save the lost, when you live your life to seek and save the loss, he says, 258 00:23:21.680 --> 00:23:26.240 that's when you live in my favor. And I will make everything your life worked together for good. 259 00:23:28.480 --> 00:23:32.880 So you start getting into that zone. So if you're a Christian today and you're not shared your 260 00:23:32.880 --> 00:23:38.320 faith, you're probably on your way to heaven. But you may not be enjoying yourself very much. 261 00:23:38.320 --> 00:23:43.920 You may not be having joy. And you may not be having the fun of having God speak through you and 262 00:23:43.920 --> 00:23:48.000 having this personal issue. I got to tell you and it'll ignite your life. That's the way this 263 00:23:48.000 --> 00:23:51.600 book that we're talking about. It's 50 years. We've been sharing. I've been sharing our faith for 264 00:23:51.600 --> 00:23:57.440 50 years on a daily basis. And we have more stories in there and there. But it's mostly scripture. 265 00:23:57.440 --> 00:24:01.840 The most important part of that book is you know, is the scriptures that lay it down in very 266 00:24:01.840 --> 00:24:07.200 clearly how God will speak through us and use us and bless us and you get the whole package. 267 00:24:07.200 --> 00:24:11.200 But it will ignite your life. So if you're going through life and you're a Christian, but you don't 268 00:24:11.200 --> 00:24:16.000 feel a role ignited right now and you're wondering where God is and you're praying as much as you're 269 00:24:16.720 --> 00:24:22.720 as you're worrying. This is a way to escape all that effortlessly. The bottom line is to 270 00:24:22.720 --> 00:24:28.880 feet fear effortlessly because when you step into this zone, it just it changes everything in 271 00:24:28.880 --> 00:24:32.320 your life. And it's it's a pretty good way to live. And Karen, I've been married for 60 years 272 00:24:32.320 --> 00:24:36.240 or we're we're having the time of our lives. Well, I love what you're saying because if you think 273 00:24:36.240 --> 00:24:41.520 about it, if we could snap our fingers and we're walking with Paul the Apostle right now somewhere. 274 00:24:41.520 --> 00:24:47.920 We're in Macedonia or we are somewhere in Syria. If we were walking with Paul right now, guess what 275 00:24:47.920 --> 00:24:52.560 would would be on our mind because we're walking with Paul? Well, we're going to be watching Paul 276 00:24:52.560 --> 00:24:56.640 because he's going to be sharing Christ with people along the way. Then that rubs off on you because 277 00:24:56.640 --> 00:25:01.360 you learn that by example. And one of the things that you can do in this world, you may not be able 278 00:25:01.360 --> 00:25:07.280 to have Barry McGuire sit down and coach you through this, but you can get his book. And more 279 00:25:07.280 --> 00:25:12.320 than this also in getting the book, which by the way, where can I get the book? Oh, Amazon.com. 280 00:25:12.320 --> 00:25:20.080 Amazon.com. But also you can tune in. I know you can tune in to Barry McGuire's programs 281 00:25:20.080 --> 00:25:24.960 at the real life network, which is free for you to download. It's free. All of it's free. 282 00:25:25.040 --> 00:25:33.360 Free for the broadcaster. Free for the subscriber. Real life network of app on your device. 283 00:25:33.360 --> 00:25:40.400 But Barry, you also have an ongoing program podcast. What is it? You can you can be viewed 284 00:25:40.400 --> 00:25:46.720 by going to your network. On the podcast, yeah. Yes. I do it myself. I do it with people that are 285 00:25:46.720 --> 00:25:51.920 that are incredible shares of their faith. It's not stories about how I got to say but how 286 00:25:51.920 --> 00:25:57.040 people are having so much fun sharing their faith. It's incredible. And it is it is contagious. 287 00:25:58.560 --> 00:26:03.040 And we're just starting a new site now. In that year world, every time you share your faith, 288 00:26:03.040 --> 00:26:07.760 you put it on there. And we're about to have a long list where you just and when you're when you're 289 00:26:07.760 --> 00:26:12.320 trying to find something to occupy your time on your phone, you go here and you see one amazing, 290 00:26:12.320 --> 00:26:16.080 exciting story after another of people talking about how they've been sharing their faith and 291 00:26:16.720 --> 00:26:20.880 that's what gets us to their God stories. That's their stories that you're you're recording and 292 00:26:20.880 --> 00:26:25.360 archiving what they're doing. They're doing they just recorded themselves. Like a public journal. 293 00:26:25.360 --> 00:26:28.880 Yes. Exactly. So that's just turning. We just launched that. That's going to be great fun. 294 00:26:28.880 --> 00:26:35.040 That's awesome. Well, you guys, it's always a joy to be around Barry McGuire and he's like this 295 00:26:35.040 --> 00:26:41.040 on and off the camera. I promise you this. And it's just absolutely precious. What God is doing. 296 00:26:41.040 --> 00:26:45.280 And so listen, like always, it's time for you to live out what it is that you believe in. It's time 297 00:26:45.280 --> 00:26:51.760 for real life. When we live our lives for real for Christ, then he gets the glory. You get the 298 00:26:51.760 --> 00:26:57.680 thrill because you'll see the spirit of God show up. You'll see gifts that the Holy Spirit will 299 00:26:57.680 --> 00:27:04.080 bring up and out of you that you didn't even think that you had. Step out. Watch what God does. 300 00:27:04.080 --> 00:27:10.320 And so until next time God bless you. Be bold. Step out. Let the Holy Spirit ignite your life. 301 00:27:10.320 --> 00:27:15.440 Get a copy of Barry's book. Read it. And then go out and do it because this book is full of 302 00:27:15.440 --> 00:27:20.480 scripture and full of great examples. So God bless you. Thank you, Barry. Thank you. 303 00:27:25.120 --> 00:27:31.040 This Jack Hibbs podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities are listener supported. 304 00:27:31.040 --> 00:27:38.240 Will you consider partnering with us through a special gift? Go to jackhibbs.com to learn more 305 00:27:38.240 --> 00:27:40.480 and stay connected.