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Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim truth,

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equip the saints, and impact our culture.

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Hey you guys, we are sitting down today. Your mind is going to be blown up. Listen, we

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planned on 30 minutes. It's going to be a little longer. Why? Because we could not stop

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talking about this topic and I think you're going to love it. So stay tuned.

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Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ,

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then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us, that's like saying amen

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or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what God's

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word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. We're everybody very excited about today's podcast

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and for good reason. In fact, listen, this podcast is a wee little representation of the podcast

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that our two guests are able to achieve by God's grace. I mean, these guys rock the world

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for truth when it comes to not only biblical knowledge and scriptural teaching, but something

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that I love with all of my heart. In fact, it's this doctrine of the Bible that God used to lead

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me to a saving knowledge of Jesus and that is Bible prophecy. Otherwise known as eschatology.

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And with us, we have these two best-selling authors and I love these guys. Todd Hampson,

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you're going to be exposed to a little bit of his talent. Not only in his ability of speaking

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and writing, but of illustration, which I have a cartoon mind. I love it. I love it. And Jeff

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Kinley, who we've had the opportunity to have in Jeff Kinley with us before, but just a tremendous,

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tremendous duo of truth needed so much in these days because Bible prophecy, if you don't mind me

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putting it this way, Bible prophecy is being molested in the hands of those who occupy the pulpit

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today. And I think that's a shame because the Bible says in Revelation 19 verse 10 that Jesus

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himself is the spirit of prophecy. That is that God and the God of the Bible reveals his truth to us.

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And some of that truth is advanced knowledge, which we're going to talk about proves the

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existence of God. So you guys welcome, welcome to our podcast and let's just dive in. First of all,

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I got to ask you, Todd, how everybody can go and see your books and how they're themed out

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in this way. But let me into your mind. I want to know. I don't tell anybody this, but for me,

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people will say, Jack, you've got such a great memory. You've always remembered people's names.

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I do. But when I do remember people's names, but the way the way that I remember is not,

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it's not so, it's not so maybe complimentary because if I meet somebody, immediately my cartoon

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mind, I see them. What feature pops? Yes, that's Mike. That's Mike with the long neck.

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Yes, Mike, the giraffe. It works and I meet him three years later. Hey, Mike, how are you?

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How'd you remember my name? And I never can say it's because you look like a giraffe. I could never say

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that. But when I read stuff like this, you might say, Jackie, you kidding me? Is this for kids?

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Hey, there's more doctrine in this book that looks like a cartoon book than most churches you're

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going to get out of any pulpit in these days. So I love the way that you think and tell us,

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how is it that you came up with this? I really want to know. I have to know. You bet. Y'all

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give you the abbreviated version is I grew up completely unchurched. Didn't know anything about

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the Bible. It's probably a good thing. Yeah, well, the Lord definitely used it. And when I was 13,

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through a weird set of circumstances, the Lord led me to a Christian school, heard about fulfilled

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Bible prophecy because I believe the Bible was a book of fairy tales. I believe that an evolution

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hung on yards, but the one thing I couldn't explain away was fulfilled Bible prophecy. And that's

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what broke down the barriers and eventually led to my salvation. And I was also an artist, even as a

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kid, I was drawing all the time and I have a company called Tim Bucktoons where we produce animation.

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Tim Bucktoons? TimBucktoons.com. Yeah. TimBucktoons.com. Yeah. So we produce a lot of

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cartoons and stuff for ministries and that sort of thing. So that's my background before I started

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doing the book stuff. So I've always been a visual learner and developing IPs and stuff with

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characters. And I wanted to produce a book that put handles on Bible prophecy for non-church

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people and Christians who maybe are intimidated by it or confused by it and poke fun at it a little

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bit. Let's have some fun and have some funny illustrations. And also what I found is a lot of

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people are like me, visual learners, that when you see something, it draws you into the text,

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but also it helps remember like like like the giraffe neck. It helps you remember the content.

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Yeah. And that's kind of the thought behind it. I love that because when I got saved,

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I got saved on a Monday night, June 20th, 1977. It was a Monday night. And by the end of the week,

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not knowing what to do with the Bible because they gave you a Bible. I didn't know what

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which end was up. But the first book of the Bible I read was the book of Revelation. And for me

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in my mind, I thought, this is amazing. You know, why isn't this a movie? Why? You know,

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but I could see these things in my head, a dragon rising up out of the scene. It was like,

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oh my gosh, why doesn't everybody read the Bible? And I'm really grateful that I cut my teeth

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on the Bible in the book of Revelation because to be honest with you, everything after that was very

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much downhill in the sense that explainable. That makes sense to me. Yeah. That makes sense to

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me. So yeah, absolutely amazing. So Jeff, you are so busy. Did I read this right somewhere?

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Did I read that you that you have authored? Is it some 40 books? I think so. Or more than that.

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More than that. It's just 40. There's 40 books. And then another 12 books and this and that. You've

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got, you know, a million, was it a weekly million download podcast going on? You topped 1% of

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all podcasts in America. Is that both of you guys together? The prophecy pros. Can you tell the

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people the address of that? Yeah. Prophecyproz.com. Yeah. Yeah. Oh, everybody, you got to do that.

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You got to, you got to, you get a prophecy pros podcast.com. There you go. Thanks. Or the prophecy

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pros.com. Either one easy enough. Yeah. Yeah. So Jeff, um, this, is this your latest or is this

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what just came out? Explain it. Yeah. What drives this? Oh, man, I tell you, I was so excited about

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I've written books on Revelation and Bible prophecy and stuff, but I was thinking about what about

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Jesus own words? So I said to my wife in a crazy moment, I said, sweetheart, I think I'm supposed

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to write this book, but I think I'm supposed to fly to Jerusalem and do research right there on

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the Mount of Olives, this all of it discourse. And my wife's always been one of these put wind

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to my sales thing. She said, oh, you need to go for that immediately. So I got on a plane in New

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Year's Eve, flew to Tel Aviv, took a taxi and had a private guide, spent a whole week just

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researching, just feeling the dust and the dirt. What you just want to do. I'm almost crying.

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I'm almost crying right now because I know what you're, I have filled with what I'm doing. Yeah,

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you've been there. You just like have to just take it in. Yeah. And you're sitting on the

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Mount of Olives and you're seeing the exact panorama that Christ saw. And because that's what the

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Mount of Olives is all about, all of it discourse is seeing the end times through the eyes of Jesus

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himself. Ah, so good. People get these books, get these books and make sure you read them. I see

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that the publisher, good friend of ours as well, the harvest house, the wonderful people there

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at harvest house. Okay, so let's dive into this. So the Ukraine, Russia, Iran, North Korea,

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China, where do we stop? Turkey, Syria for now, and it's whatever it is, Iraq, we got all these

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areas that are so to speak on fire. Recently, obviously, recently, the world, and I say the world

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without exaggeration, the world experienced the election or re-election of a guy by the name of Donald

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Trump. And the almost immediate shock wave in the international world because all that was being

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played out here in the dark in America. I mean, at night time, I mean, PM hours. Well, much of the

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world was living that day in the sunshine. And now we're seeing information coming from places

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in the world, from Paris to Tehran, to Beijing, where it Moscow, where people were hearing the news

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being reported. And they stopped. They stopped in their tracks. Donald Trump was elected again.

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And what's, I find that so amazing is prior to the election, Iran, the clergy in Iran,

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they were telling their congregants and their mosque, go contact your American friends and tell

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them the vote for Kamala Harris. And post-election data shows that they did not do that. In fact,

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the Muslim vote. Now, all things, I mean, I'm still trying to process that. The Muslim vote in

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America broke heavily for Trump. That said, that was a shock wave in the world. And here's my

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question to you guys, with what just happened in this election. From your biblical vantage point,

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if you're Iran, now we all know about Iran Persia in the Bible. What are they thinking right now?

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If we were assuming that we might be seeing the formation of Ezekiel 38 maybe in the last recent

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times, what's happened now? Are they going to maybe act quicker before Trump's inaugurated or not

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at all? What's your gut feel about Persia or otherwise known to us in our day as Iran? What's up?

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I think back, I'm old enough to remember the Reagan election. Same here. You remember back when

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he was elected, right? Well, it was yesterday. Yeah, and he's going to look, you better release

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our hostages right now. And because under Carter, they wouldn't release them, but all of a sudden,

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they saw this strong man coming, this presence coming in, the hostages got released.

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I see a similar thing with Trump. I think there's going to be some hesitation, their

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elites should be, because Iran's been very bold. They've been very braggadocious of their

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tax against Israel. So two things to me is, number one, Trump represents that pro-Israel stance.

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So now, as the past couple of years, we've not had a real backing of Israel, strong backing,

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strong alliance. Now here comes Trump. So they've got to put that into their mix. And the second

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thing is, is in terms of globalism, because you remember a couple of years ago, I mean, here we go,

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where COVID hit and all of a sudden the world's, oh, we got to become one. We can have a global

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mass here. But someone's standing in the way. And here comes the election. And boom, he's out.

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The one national nationalist among the group was Trump. So he's out, Biden's in, he's in lockstep

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with the WF and that type of thing. But now Trump's back in. So it'll be interesting to see

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geopolitically. And as you said, you talk about shockwaves. It's a tectonic shift in geopolitics.

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Exactly. I agree 100 percent. Tectonic shift is a great analogy, because that's what I'm

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thinking is the puzzle pieces are shifting around a little bit. All the nations you mentioned

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have some kind of tieback directly to Israel. So Israel is rising as the neon sign that we're in

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the end times. All eyes on Israel, no matter what news you connect with, somehow some way it

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traces back to Israel right now. And I think with what's that? What a coincidence. Yeah, what a coincidence.

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Yeah, the center of the world, the center of Bible prophecy. I think Tom will tell you,

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either you wonder if they're going to fast track things and make a move or if they're like,

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oh, okay, well, we didn't think he was going to get in. Now we got to take our time and be a little

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more strategic. And so does that speed prophecy up or does it slow it down a little bit? I'm not sure.

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Yeah. So listen, everybody, we're just talking here right now. So none of this is thus

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say at the Lord or thus say Jeff or Jack or Todd. But we're just bringing you in on this

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coffee table talk, so to speak. So I had to say that to preface with what I'm about to say right

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now. So if I remember correctly, the book of Ezekiel tells us that Israel is going to be dwelling

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in its own land. They're there. They're going to be tilling the land. It's going to be productive.

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The vineyards, they got all that not to be not to confuse it with the millennium or anything like

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that. We're talking about the dry bones being brought back to life brought into their land

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and now we're in Ezekiel 38. And it tells us there that while they are living in safety and if I

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remember right, that Hebrew word is an assumed piece. It's not the Hebrew word that means an actual

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piece like Jesus is the Prince of peace. It's not the Shalom. They're not experiencing the Shalom

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of God. They're experiencing an assumed piece. So it could be that we're at a time right now.

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Let's say that Iran doesn't move. Jeff with what you just said totally consistent. I believe

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you know, and I don't want to lose my train of thought here, but what you just said,

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I hate, gosh, I hate to be so blunt about it, but people in the Middle East will say,

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you're right. And it's this, that world over there, they don't respond unless it's power.

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It's been that way for thousands and thousands of years. It's the language they even respect it.

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Even if it's their enemy, they respect that. Having said that,

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they may very well just recoil back. Israel may be sensing, oh wow, look at that.

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Let's let our guard down. Let's relax. Let's and let's get our economy up and going again

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because man, there's no more saber-addling coming out of Gaza. Hezbollah has been dealt with.

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Iran has been pushed back in the corner and everything has gotten real common nice. Isn't this

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a great time? Our economy is booming. Wouldn't it be something that the election that we just saw

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on in God's, we're just speculating in God's plan is I'm going to put Trump in for many reasons.

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One of them is how about I'm moving this chest piece right here. Israel is going to feel really safe

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after all he is the guy that relocated the embassy to Jerusalem. And Israel's going to be all

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really happy and content. And then all of a sudden we read about Ezekiel where suddenly the

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invading army comes in. What do you guys think about that? And don't agree with me. I need to be

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corrupted. Well, twice in that passage it says that it'll happen the latter days,

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this Gagme Gag invasion. Twice it says they're living securely in the land. They're living in

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unwalled cities. I think that's a euphemism to talk about the fact that they do feel safe.

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And we feel unthreatened. So with the strength moving in, as you said, they respect strength.

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With strength moving in, it seems to me that Israel could begin to let her guard now. Israel

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never completely lets her guard down. But to a certain extent she could begin to feel that sense of

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security, that sense of safety, that sense of protection from America as the big brother,

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if you will, then that could give them a sense of being low to sleep to where now those three primary

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nations among others, but with Russia, Iran, and Turkey, moving is now the time to strike

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when they're not least expecting. I mean, October 7th was a great example.

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You know, it's interesting because October 7th, what did the idea express right after

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October 7th, we had let our guard down, right? We should have had a presence there knowing that

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the big Nova Party was a big deal. But what's interesting right now Todd is that

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with the Trump election, this also means that the checkbook is going to be flowing more freely

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to Israel as well. That's been a problem under Biden. But that also is the sense of feeling peace.

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Israel may have all of the awesome experience of their technologies that they just used.

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We know that they went into Iran. What they do, they went into Iran, Syria, Iraq,

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and just busted, best did I should say, the S-300 systems. Russia, you know, their technology didn't

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see the Israelis coming or going. And that whole thing was a three hour long process, and they

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couldn't figure out where the Israelis were coming or going from. All of this, so it's possible,

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too, that Israel is kind of like, wow, look at what we've got. They couldn't even see us coming or

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going. And at the same time, they have internal coherency for the first time in a long time.

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Yeah. When they got attacked, they realized, okay, ideology doesn't matter. We need to stop

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bashing to an extent. Netanyahu and such and such and come together just to defend just so we

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can survive as a country. So it's unified them a little bit as well. And I think, too, another

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key detail with Ezekiel 36 and 37 is that if you look carefully, they come back into the land,

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but in unbelief. And I mentioned that because a lot of people say, well, what do you mean,

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they're back in, they're back in, they're going to be, they're not all Christians. No, they're

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mostly secular. Absolutely true. Because if you read it carefully, they come to their feet first,

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then later God breathes his breath in them. Todd, and I know you guys are different, not different.

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I mean, you guys are different. You guys are the exception to many Bible prophecy teachers who

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just don't bring up the fact that Israel is in the land. We've all been there. Maybe,

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maybe some of you have been there. I always have to warn our tours that once we land in

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Tel Aviv, we get everybody together, I always have to tell them, now you're going to be shocked to

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hear this, but people are going to announce to you that they're Jews, that they're Jewish,

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but they don't believe in God. And it just blows your mind. Yeah. It's like, wait, what are you

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doing here then? But what's amazing about that is, I'm so glad you said that because you,

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you don't hear that because there's a lot of replacement theology people, and there's a lot of

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really poorly taught pastors that, well, Israel's ill-legitimate nation because they don't believe in

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in Yeshua as Messiah. And so it's not legitimate. It's failing to recognize what Todd just said a

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moment ago. God said, I'm going to bring them back in unbelief. It's like walking out of the

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movie before the movies are aware. The story's not ended yet. I mean, God says there's more to come.

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And as you said, there's so many there that you say, how can they possibly be in that land

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and see God's protection, supernatural protection, and not believe? And we go to Romans and we see

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Romans 11 where it says a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles.

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There's the end of the story here. So by the way, this is totally unscripted, you guys. We have

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nothing reversed about this. You said the word until Paul's remarkable treaty, the book of Romans.

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Romans chapter nine deals with the Israel of the past. It's really simple. Romans 10 deals with

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the Israel of the now, and Romans 11 deals with the Israel of the future. And the point is, God's

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going to restore his people. He's promised. There will be a remnant God's word will not fail.

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Having said that is where we're sitting. We're not all that far from the LA area. When I say

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LA area, you got to remember we're talking the cities, 4 million people. The region is about

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13 million people surrounding LA. So we're not all that far from there. And I say that to say this.

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When October 7th happened 2023, the following Sunday, there were people because we have a

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thing here at this church. If you're visiting for the first time, then we have all the new visitors

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sit up front. We reserve front seating for visitors. We just like that. And I was seeing these people

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who are clearly Jewish after October 7th. And I'm looking at them. And I, the Holy Spirit, in fact,

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if you go back and listen to messages around that time period, the Holy Spirit was possessing my soul

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to just step it up to provoke the Jew in front of me to the jealousy about our Messiah.

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So I just started, I mean, we're here on the book. We're going, we're in Romans.

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And we just started pulling up all of these wonderful prophetic Old Testament scriptures about

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who the Messiah is. And one after another was coming to the knowledge that Jesus is the Messiah.

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He's radical. One particular guy I'm not going to mention his name, but I had a chance to show him

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from the Old Testament that Jesus is the Messiah. And I don't think he believes it,

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but he's struggling with it because I know he got stumped. He's never quiet. He's Jewish.

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He's never quiet. And when I showed him, for example, Proverbs 30, verse 4,

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Proverbs. You didn't even think of Proverbs as a not a prophetic book, but you certainly wouldn't

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think of Proverbs as being a book of apologetics. In this sense, Proverbs 30, verse 4 says,

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Who is he who holds the fold, the seas and the fold of his robe and the wind and his fist?

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What is my name? And what is the name of my son, if you can tell me? Oh my gosh.

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And I shared that. And I do share that with my Jewish friends. And I shared this with this Jewish

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individual. And he looked at it in English, pulled out his phone, confident. You could tell.

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Confident that he was going to disprove me wrong. And he goes to his Hebrew Bible on his phone.

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And he looks at it. And this has been the response to many Jews I've shared this with. He's looked at

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it. And he says, it's very much stronger in the Hebrew for you. Wow. Wow. Oh my goodness.

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What about those dodgers? Yeah, you know, just like this. It's the hardness and part.

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The hardness. If the truth hit, you could see this vague moment. And then it was gone. But until

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the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, and do you wonder, do you kind of think maybe with what

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we're seeing after post October 7th, do you see maybe the veil starting to crack or or lift?

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Do you think sometimes going on? Do you think all the news is real front and center? Do you think

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God is using this right now to kind of let the let at least the three of us know? I'm about ready

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to go to work with my people. If nothing else, just seeing how he's protected them over and over again,

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just recently, it's almost like, I mean, every time they're attacked, you know, 1967, every war,

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they're supernaturally protected. But more so now, I mean, what, two ballistic missile attacks

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and nobody dies that's Jewish. No, that's insane. How does that happen? So they've got, he's got to be

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trying to get their attention and preserving them for his prophetic purposes as well. So I would

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think he's trying to wake people up and we often joke like, who's that last Gentile that needs

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to get down? Let's go find him or her or whoever it is. Except the Lord. I often think about

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sometimes I'll watch college football and maybe it's my team and we're getting just pounded on

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the turf or whatever. But some reason they come back and they win the game. I'll go back and watch

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the game again like the next day or the next week. Now, I'll see the fumble. I'll see the interception.

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I'll see the off-size, but I know we're still going to win this. And the thing that I see with

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Israel is that we have to keep in mind. There's a spiritual war going on. Yes. You know, and Daniel

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talks about Michael the Archangel watching over Israel. You don't think he's been busy in the past

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year. I think of this. So reality. I love that Jeff. Yeah. I mean, it's just a spiritual clash of

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forces. And you know, we don't always win every battle. That's right. We're going to win the war,

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but we don't win the battle. That's right. But what you mentioned here about the fullness of the

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Gentiles and you follow it up with a verse that we all take out of context where he says,

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for the gifts and the callings of God are irrevocable. That's Israel he's talking about. I've called

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Israel going to come back 100% guarantee. How do we know that? Because of past fulfill Bible

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props. Amen. That's right. Have you guys ever been asked this question? So, Pastor Jack or Jeff

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or Todd, how does a Jew get saved? Well, what? How does a Jew get saved? And now, I often play

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with the individual with respect. I'll say to them, well, let me ask before I want to be saved

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because you come, you know, I, you go to church here, are you saved? How did you get saved?

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Oh, I believe that Jesus died on the cross for my sins and rose again from the dead. I believe

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that he's the son of God. How do you know that? Well, Jesus said you must be born again, John chapter

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three. And I said, right on, are you a Jew? No, I'm a Gentile. Okay, fantastic. You just answer the

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question. Jesus gave the answer to a Jew. Nicodemus was not a Gentile, he was a Jew. How does a

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Jew get saved? Exactly how we get saved. But the message was given to the Jew first and then the

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Gentiles. Right. And so it's quite remarkable because there are those walking around saying, well,

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we get saved this way and the Jews get saved some other way. Right. And that's a big, that's a big

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note. It really is. Yeah, there's a, that dual covenant theology teaching where you don't even

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have to witness the Jewish people. They're automatically going in. Yeah. What a, what a life from hell.

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That is Satan. That's Satan because they need to hear the love of Christ and scripture tells us

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one in that Romans 11. One day, all Israel will be saved. I believe that's at the end of the

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tribulation. Yep. Agreed. Yeah. Jesus said, you will not see me again until you say,

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blessed is he. Oh, and they love Lord. Zechariah 12 tells us they will mourn for the one who is

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pierced. Yes. Yep. So it all links up. It's a puzzle pieces, but you put them together and it

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all tells the perfect story. And right now during the church age, it's Jew and Gentile together.

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Yeah. And that's what Paul was saying in the church. You know, we had the high privilege,

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several times mind you to have Dr. John Wolver here in this church. Oh wow. And always an,

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always an incredible blessing, of course. And Wolver pointed out numerous times, you know,

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this is the first time in 2000 years that Israel and the church have coexisted at the same time.

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That's how close we are to the end. Wow. Think about that. That's huge. That is huge. I had the

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privilege of studying under Wolver when I was a Dallas seminary. I mean, not only was he a giant

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and the faith. He was a giant man. He was, he was a huge guy, you know, falls into a car. You know,

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he was like, sit down as these legs arms. But yet at the same time, a humble servant of Christ,

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you know, it's very gracious and that type of thing. But the books he wrote primarily about

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Bible prophecy, Jack, they stood the test of time. They're going, they're not headline exegesis.

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They're not just looking at events in the world and trying to make sense out of them.

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Though he's going to the Bible first and then telling us what the Bible says. And then we look

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at our world and go, whoa, whoa, that's happening right now. I don't know. Yeah. By the way, I,

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I, I, I, if I get this wrong, but you can go to john wolford.com. He's got a, he's got a website

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that they still manage quite well. And it's W-A-L-O-O-R-D that I get. Yeah, W-A-L-V-O-R. Oh gosh,

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I forgot to. Yeah, wolver. Yeah, wolver. Yeah. So check him out. And if you see a book for his,

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this for sale, buy it. You don't have to think about it. Just buy it. I just heard a really cool

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story about wolver about how he got into prophecy, not in terms of study, but in, at DTS.

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His plan when he graduated from DTS was to go be a missionary. And was it, I think,

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Shaefer. It was still alive at the time, right? Shaefer said, I need somebody to teach eschatology.

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And he had been, and wolver had been praying. I think I'm supposed to be a missionary, but God

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show me if I'm not. So that one conversation pivoted him from the mission field to teaching prophecy.

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And now look at the millions of lives that he's touched through disseminary through students and

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stuff like that. So anyway, side note. No, no, no, it's a wonderful. And you guys are of this genre

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where these craftsmen of the word, you think of what you guys do, you think of what wolver,

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you think of Jayverna McGee, guys who are able to unpack things that are complex and make them so

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simple. McGee to the point where he almost makes them funny, but his solid and he's there,

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but he brings, I think how they say the cookies down on the lower shelf. So where are we right now,

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you guys in the timeline of things? I mean, of course, nobody knows the day or the hour,

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but move. I'm a big fan of Paul saying, but of that time and of that hour, you'll have no

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need that I should write into you. I take that as, and maybe I'm taking it wrong. I take that as,

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well, nobody knows the day or the hour. That's pretty crystal clear in the Bible. But concerning

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the times and the seasons, meaning to me, my understanding is, that's probably how the sons of

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Ishikar operated. Very good. They discerned the times and the seasons. They didn't have,

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they didn't walk around with a board sign on their chest, you know, on, you know, this day Jesus

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is coming. But when you look around and you see, for example, the Soviet Union, no longer the Soviet

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Union, it's back to being Russia. I think that's significant. Of course, you mentioned Israel

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back in the land, but you see other things too that could be Harbinger's where you see a leaderless

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Europe. I mean, let's be honest. Europe is leaderless. It's weird. It's almost like it's begging.

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Somebody to pop up. Absolutely. And it's kind of creepy. You know, in a good way, look, I voted for

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Trump. And I've had a couple conversations with Trump and that's all fine and dandy. I look,

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he's, you know, people get all been out of shape. How could you talk to the man, his tweets,

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or whatever? Come on. I talked to, I talked to anybody and I didn't vote for a pastor. I voted

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for a president. So the bottom line though is this is that, you see how, in that moment that it was

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obvious that Trump was going to win the election. And I mentioned it earlier, the glow began to

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respond. And the US stock market exploded. I mean, millionaires were made in minutes. After

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the day after the election, the point that I'm saying is that I told somebody, I don't know,

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it was Lisa, my wife or somebody near me, I said, you know, it's kind of creepy. It's kind of creepy

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because even other countries, Japan's, they had a parade and then prompt you parade immediately

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and they had a Trump. Oh my goodness. They did. And I'm thinking, okay, I know Trump's not the

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anti-Christ, but that's kind of weird. Yeah. Where the nations are so starving for leadership.

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Leadership. Yes. That they, they might pin and they went over the top, just even celebrating

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Trump. But it just goes, you show you how desperate. Yeah. And how close we are. Yeah.

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Because, you know, Todd, I use this term, Accelerates, you know, Accelerates and Bible profs. It seems

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like, you know, like you're going downhill, like birth pangs, Jesus talks about. But, you know,

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John said, first John to 18, my little children, it is the last hour. I love that. Now, if it's the

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last hour in the first century, Jack, where are we? Yeah. I mean, we're the two minute warning,

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we're in the last few seconds. And then in Hebrews 10, 25, 20, 60 says, don't forsake the assembling

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of yourselves together, but all the more encouraging. And let's call. Yeah. And let's COVID, then stop

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assembling. That was a COVID verse and of watching the tribulation. Yeah. But he ends it by saying,

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uh, he says encourage it one another. As you see the day approaching. Yeah. So that presumes

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that we can see the day approaching. Now, again, we don't know the day of the hour. But, but we're

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certainly in the season. If you think about like John 14 and the whole idea of the wedding motif and

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the bride never knew when the, he was going to come back and take her to the father's house. But she

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did have a general season. She knew it wasn't going to go on forever. That's right. He's going to come

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and usually it was a 12 month period for them. I am. I'm indebted to, um, Joe Foch, who's the pastor at

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Calvary Chapel in Philadelphia. He made me laugh a while back. He was talking. He was going through a

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prophetic book of the Bible. I don't remember where. And he said, you know, the world is in such a

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condition that if Jesus doesn't come back soon for the church, it's not going to be a surprise.

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Right. Yeah. Think about that statement. Yeah. It's, you know, you chuckled it first and then

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you realized, wait a minute, gosh. Well, then immediately in my heart is, is, well, I, Joe, I know

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what you, I know what you're saying. Sure. But while the spirit just spoke to my heart saying,

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that's the times in this season. Well, you know, we read about Christ's first coming. It says,

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he came in the fullness of time, which obviously, yeah. So I mean, obviously, that means

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God's prophetic timing. We have a time marker in Daniel 9 from the rebuilding to the coming of

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the Messiah. But also, I think that also means the condition, the stage had to be set. Yes.

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The Greek language had to be prolific in the area. So the gospel could go out. The Roman

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road system had to be in place. So the gospel could go out when they were persecuted. So I

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think it's the same thing with the second coming is we can, we see the day approaching. We're seeing

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the stage being set necessarily. We don't know the day of the hour. It could happen any moment.

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Yes. Man, you're blowing my mind right now because of what you said regarding the Roman road.

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the kingdom. Pagan empire. Yeah, sure. God, basically, we must have been saying, go ahead and do that.

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But I got a better use for it. So you think about the internet. You think about the ability for

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us to communicate to the world instantaneously now. Well, it's all been used for evil. Well,

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that's not exactly true. But we look now in a post-COVID era where this is just one reporter,

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reporting to you, that I hope I don't get in trouble for saying this. COVID for us

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was the single most greatest thing God used in 35 years of our ministry to get the

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word of God out to more people instantaneously. Because all of a sudden, the world is shut down.

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I think I'm going to prove it now if you just follow me. The world was shut down.

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We just, when the world shut down, this staff showed up and we worked over time. We had,

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we set up, sets, women's ministry was streaming, with children's ministry streaming. We had,

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we were doing certain, never stopped. Okay. But the thing was this. We started reaching people

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and it was kind of shocking because we started to receive, we started to receive envelopes

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from people from around the world sending us cash to tithe. I didn't know the Bible and I took

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during COVID. So we're getting whatever Vietnamese money is. We're getting that. We're like,

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we can't use this, but it's very cute. The point was, we were starting to meet people.

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In the millions without that COVID thing, yeah, we would have missed it. But the punchline for me

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was the fact that during that brief period of time, we baptized 3,000 and 11 people down at the

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beach. And we, for a quite a season, had to do four Sunday services. So you're talking about 2,700

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people per service. What? People were flocking to the truth. And God used that. I cannot help but

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believe that's part of God's end time reach. I was going to say, by the way, we were cheering you on

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from afar. We live in Georgia and Arkansas. It's pretty friendly to Christianity. We're not

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facing the same thing you guys were. We're like, that's what's, that's what's coming our way. These

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guys are on the front line right now. These, these pastors who are saying, no, we're keeping our doors

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open. We were cheering you guys on. And Jeff and I do these things called pop-up conferences. A

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one day conference. We actually did one for church. And I won't even say where it is. That you,

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that pipes your sermons in on Sunday morning. And they, they have church. They have an elderboard,

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but they don't have a teaching pastor. You're their teaching pastor. Oh my God. And we were there on

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a Saturday, did our whole conference. And then next Sunday, people were coming to hear you preach,

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man. That's right. That's crazy. But that's end time stuff. Yeah. It doesn't Daniel. Jeff,

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doesn't Daniel talk about something? Maybe chapter 12 ish about knowledge shall increase.

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Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Yeah. Yeah. He says in the last days that knowledge,

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many will run to and fro. Yeah. And what's interesting, there's kind of a dual application to that,

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if you will, because on the one sense, we get the fact that, that yes, I mean, we're, we're talking

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on the Roman road right now. We're, we're walking the Roman road. You're watching on the Roman road

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right now. So yes, the knowledge has increased. That's a Daniel chapter 12 and, and verse four.

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But for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the end of time. Many will go

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back and forth and knowledge will increase. Well, it's what's, what's really interesting here

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is in that passage. And I do believe without a shout of a doubt that with the explosion of

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communication technology, that there's been more ability to get the word of God out. Yep.

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What's interesting, I did a deep dive on this passage and found it, this word knowledge here

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is a word that's in the Hebrew Bible, it's used 93 times to refer to the knowledge of God.

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And what's very interesting is this phrase go back and forth is used in the book of Amos to talk

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about the Jews searching the scriptures. Jesus said, you search the scriptures for in them,

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you think that you have eternal life, but they are, they are, they which do testify of me.

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Yep. And I taught and I both believe this is that in the last days, you're going to see a surge

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in people wanting to know more about this Bible prophecy thing. And for here, especially the Jews

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during the tribulation. Okay, check this out. This is not classified. This is not top secret stuff.

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We happen to have a wonderful relationship and a friendship with Secretary Mike Pompeo.

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And during the COVID, opening days of COVID, when Iran was shut down,

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the CIA, he said monitors, internet, satellite, everything, phones, computer, what you've,

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they got it. He said, we, you know, people talk about the cloud. He says, believe me,

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there's more than the cloud. And it's their job at the CIA at that time. Remember, he was

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CIA director and then he was then Trump had him over as Secretary of State, which is actually a

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great thing. So he brought that in on top of the fact, him being a military guy. But Pompeo,

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from his mouth to my ears, he said, when things were shut down immediately, our bells and whistles

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went off. We were being worn by our systems that there was a massive download of information

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like a funnel going into Iran. So this CIA, he said, we went to take a look at what they were

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doing. What's everybody doing? And this is awesome. This is giving chills, man. I think I know where

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you're going. Everybody was shut down. So listen, a lie works fine, I guess, until it's exposed.

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So people living in the Islamic lie of religion and false God, when no one's looking apparently

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and you're stuck in your house, you start searching. Pompeo said the data being downloaded

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were sermons. Bible search. You know that you know that that got questions done or or whatever.

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All of this Iran, Iran, he said it's set off. They're warning systems. There's something going on.

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They took a look and that was Bible. And he said there were people in the defense in the intelligence

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agency. Oh, what? It's nothing. They're just downloading Bible sermons and stuff. And Pompeo said,

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it just sent chills up my back that they were grabbing onto the Word of God. Tell me, Satan may,

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I'm just guessing, Satan may have caused COVID. God used it beautifully.

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Absolutely. As he always does. As he always does. That's the sovereign God who is over

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all of history. And he is orchestrating history towards his appointed end. It's a great narrative

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that God has planned out. Todd and I were talking earlier today. God is a master storyteller.

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He's the master artist. He's a master author. And the Bible and for those of us out there who may

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have not just really gotten into your Bible, this is where the truth lies. This is where everything is

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found. And the more you read the Bible, the more it reads you, the more you dig into it, the deeper you

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know God. So that's why that's why we're talking about this because this is what the Bible tells us.

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You know, you mentioned, you know, Satan caused an evil and then God flipping the script and using it

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for good. If you think about it, why does Satan keep going on? He keeps getting his tail kicked.

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He thought he had Jesus dead. Jesus rose from the dead. You know, he's tried all through history

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to destroy the Jewish people. They're still alive. He thought he had Hitler. He thought he had

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Hitler. Oh, I was watching. I'm glad you said that. I got goosebumps right now. On the plane

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right here, I was watching a documentary on World War II. And I've always we've always talked about

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how Hitler was a type of the anti-Christ. Satan was trying to fast track in times, a thousand-year

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Reich. He wanted to kill all the Jews. Well, I was listening to the conversation that he initially

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had with Mussolini. And Mussolini's, and this is going to give you goosebumps, Mussolini's exact

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words where he wanted to start a revived Roman Empire. And they said it two or three times in

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the documentary. I never connected those dots. That makes sense coming from Mussolini. He had two

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people in place in history. Either one could have become the anti-Christ. So Satan's showing his

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hand. And that shows you how close we are. Do you think this is just between us? Do you think?

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I mean, Satan's deceived, but he's not stupid. And his own lives have deceived him. That's what

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lies do. They deceive you. That's right. But he's not dumb. Do you think that he seeks to have

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an anti-Christ for every generation just in case? Without a lie. Do you think so? Without a doubt.

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Because he doesn't know. That's right. So he's got to have some guy ready, right? Got to have

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somebody on deck, waiting in the wing, ready to jump into the game, waiting in the wings,

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always. Why? Because he doesn't know God's chronological timetable. He has to have someone

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being groomed. Now, he doesn't know if this person is going to grow up and die. But at the same time,

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think about this, Jack, that even if the rapture doesn't happen for under the 30 years,

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he's alive now. Anti-Christ is alive. Can you imagine? Because he's not going to be a teenager when

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he comes on. He's got some sort of political cloud. He's going to have some something cool. Well,

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we know he's going to have this remarkable no doubt. It's demonically, satanically powered. But

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he's not going to be a little kid and he's probably not going to be some old man. Think of that.

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He's probably going to be that weird, I don't know what you call it, but he's got a little bit of

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gray. He's young enough, but he's GQ. You know, George Clooney kind of guy. That's with powers of

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persuasion, with oratory skills, with ability to deceive and then surrounding himself with people

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who also have the deception powers as well. So yeah, he's, I think he's going to be politically

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connected, but he'll come out of nowhere. He's the little horn. That's right. He's the 11th horn.

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He's the 11th horn. He'll overtake three. That's where you're going. That's what I was

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saying. The 11th horn will put down the three. That's right. So he comes out of nowhere. He's

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obscure, but satan is grooming him right now in our world today. And at some point, I believe

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after the rapture, there'll be some some gap period. We don't know how long it's going to be, but

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that chaos, we thought COVID was chaos. Wait till this chaos happens. And then incomes this man

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who says is our friend, Jamar Kel says, Mr. Fixit, he's going to come in and say, I've got a plan

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and the world will swoon over him like a 12 year old girl at a Justin Bieber concert.

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Oh, yeah. Yikes. What do you think about, what do you think about the condition? I'll ask you

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first. What do you think about the condition tide of the church in the world and the church in

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America? Is there a difference? Yeah. I mean, honestly, I think that the church is going back to

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like it was first century. It's a remnant. It's raw. It's front line. It's the it's the

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the underground church in China and Iran that's rising up. Yep. It's the remnant of believers that

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we're seeing at these small and large churches all over the country and even in Canada. We did

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we had a couple pop up conferences in Canada. People hungry for the truth. Yeah.

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And they're more oppressed, way more oppressed in Canada and they're hungry for truth and

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they're seeing what we're seeing. But by and large, and I don't want to bash the entire church,

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and there's some great churches out there. But the awakening we're seeing in the remnant

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believers wanting deep truth being taught is refreshing because it hasn't been in the church

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by and large. A lot of churches for 20 or 30 years now. It's it's become a little bit softball,

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fluff, surface level. That's given them, you know, attract the whole world to come in and we don't

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want to say anything that offends them or challenges them. Well, how do they get saved? Because

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I had to have my world wrecked and realize I was a sinner before came to Christ. So,

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so I think it's it lines up with the end times church. There's a there's a falling away. There's

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a drifting away from big words orthodoxy and orthopraxy. What the Bible says to do and believe,

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believing that this is the inspired inherent word of God. That that's going out the window with

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with a lot of churches right now. So I don't want to be, you know, chicken little, the skies falling,

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but I think it I think we are seeing the end times church the falling away. And the refreshing

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side, the remnant believers rising up the churches that stayed open during COVID that are boldly

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talking about things that are political that sway into biblical, you know, not be political to

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be political, but to have the courage to talk about issues that may be political because they're

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in the Bible. Why can't the word of God speak to a political issue? Well, I stay out of politics.

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Good right on. But that doesn't mean and I do mean this in a very sarcastic way.

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I think politics should tremble when a when a Bible believer opens up a scripture and says,

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I am about to speak from the word of God to my culture. Murdering babies in the womb is

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absolutely an abomination to Almighty God. And of course, the reaction is you can't say that to us.

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Yeah. That's religious. Isn't it funny? Secularist Satan runs into a biblical topic,

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sticks his flag in it, and then says, this is a political hands off the political. You can't talk

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about it. And sadly, the church took its tail and said, okay, I guess we can't talk about abortion.

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You know, recently, people tried to do this regarding borders. And we've had pastors and Christians

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say, we can't close our borders. We have to love our neighbor. There's an Old Testament verse that

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says, welcome the outsiders and the foreigners. That's exactly what they use to think about our

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borders. For getting that Daniel and Paul in the book of Acts chapter 17 says, God created

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borders and established the nationalities of those in those borders. Listen, don't tell Elijah not

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to speak to authorities. Don't tell John the Baptist not to speak to those men. Listen, this is

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the way God uses people many times. And guess what? As you've said recently in Daniel chapter 2,

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is God who raises up. And when Nebuchadnezzar refused to acknowledge God, God hit him with a

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dementia. He hit him with a disease of some sort that incapacitated him until he recognized

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the God of heaven. And that's the thing that blows my mind about God is that, you know,

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countries rise and countries fall. You know, Isaiah chapter 40 talks about God blows on leaders,

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and they like the chaff that drives by their dust on the scales, and they're nothing. They're

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less than nothing to God. The kingdom that is going to last though is the kingdom of the coming

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Christ. When every president has been forgotten, when every ruler and premier and prime minister

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has been long gone, King Jesus will still be on his throne. That's what we're looking for. That's

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what we pray thy kingdom come. Amen. So good. So real quick, we're going to wrap this up. I don't

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have no idea. I totally lost track of time. So we'll wrap this up real quick though. Testimonies,

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Jeff. How did you? How did you? How did Jesus find you? Oh, brother. Yeah, it's exactly right. I

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grew up in an unchurched non-Christian home in South Carolina, all American home, baseball, apple pie,

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the whole thing, just a great thing. Great parents, wonderful parents, but just, you know,

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all-star athlete, but also rock and roll guy. So I'm the long-haired drug dealing hippie in high

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school until one high school student decided to take a risk and be my friend. And he hounded me

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over and over and again. We play guitar together. We play basketball together. And then he earned

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the right to be heard and body me to his church. He earned the right to be heard. That's right.

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Friendship evangelism. That's right. Exactly right. And Jack, he asked me a question that night at

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church that no Christian had ever asked me for, because people tried to witness to me and they were

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afraid of me. He said, if you were to die tonight, do you know where you'd spend eternity? And as this

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ultra-sarcastic, very proud role model hedonist, I just said, I think I need Jesus. What?

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And I had, I had, I came to Christ in that pew. No one led me in a prayer. I believed on Christ.

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I cast myself before him. And at age 16, my life was radically changed in a second, in a millisecond.

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I'd never read anything deeper than a comic book to that point. I took his own Bible. He gave me that

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night. I read it, covered a cover. I read 50 books. My first Christian year, years of Christian.

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How Lindsay's like great planet Earth, all those things. And that's what got me into loving the truth

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and loving God's word. And it, I mean, I've never been the same sense. So that's how God found me.

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And I say that as a word of hope, because you look at me then and you go, he's never going, you know,

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don't look at people like that. That's right. God can change people, but it takes another person

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sometimes to make that happen. Is it awesome that, and help me out, I'm having a fog bank here,

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where scripture says from here, from from this time forward, we do not know one another

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regarding the flesh, that we only know each other in Christ.

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Amen. That's positive.

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And think of that, think of the power of that. Because it's beautiful because

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you and I, we've had our past cross before. And I've only known you in Christ. And then I didn't know

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till just now that you were a drug dealing hippie. And I wish you wouldn't have told me that.

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My wife says I would have never given you the time of day how to met you then.

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Yeah. But I'm joking, of course, because there are those who feel, well, God can never forgive me.

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I'm too big of a sinner. And I was never a long-haired drug dealing hippie. I watched there.

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I saw them. You know, I saw them and you could smell them.

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Yeah, exactly. But the magnitude of sin, when he touches you, when just, when that lightning strike

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of his revelation touches your mind, it's just that it's that nanosecond moment where he touches

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your soul and you realize, for me anyway, when I heard, by the way, Revelation chapter 20

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was the sermon preached, never been to church before in my life, walked into a church.

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It was a hippie teaching a Bible study. His name was Greg Laurie. Oh, yeah, yeah.

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And I didn't know he was. And there was a maniac playing the piano. The crowd was going crazy.

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And this was at Calvary Chapel, Costa Mesa in the day. And this crazy white guy with the,

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everybody had aphrodisiac. And this guy was just tearing this piano up with bare feet.

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His feet were going on the keys. And I didn't know who that was. I found out later on it was Keith Green.

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And it was a Monday night at Calvary, Costa Mesa. Greg Laurie preaches Revelation chapter 20.

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His message was entitled, how to inherit, how to inherit hell. And he went down the list.

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And I was like, I mean, I wasn't guilty of everything. I didn't have to be.

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The first thing he mentioned that I was, oh my gosh, that's me. There was this stab.

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And I knew I was in trouble. And how beautiful it is of God to invade us from the outside.

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That's right. It's just so awesome. It's so true. Yeah, it's so hard.

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Yeah. So for me, so you got to, I'll do these two right now.

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Yeah. There was fire.

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Exactly. We need a brother. But yeah, I mentioned a little earlier. I grew up on church as well.

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13 years old. This is why I love ministries like the student ministry here that teaches depth

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to. Yeah, yeah. Because 13 year olds are asking them. They can't thank us.

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They can't relate them in intelligent questions. But they're asking and seeking for those big

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questions right on. So I was that kid. Again, I grew up. This will give you a snapshot of where

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my head was when I made it. I was in a Christian school for about three months only.

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Because we almost failed the seventh grade. So my dad said, we're going to get you straight. Now,

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we'll send you to a private school. The most affordable one was a Bible believing teaching

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Christian school. So I was there three months. That's where I first heard about the gospel.

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And my, my art teacher was also my Bible teacher who had a passion for unchurched.

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These parts? Yeah. He must have been a great.

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What a coincidence. Exactly. And I was the only, I look back now. I know I was the only

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unsafe kid in his class. So he catered the whole chapel and Bible teaching to me. And when

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answer any questions I had, I mentioned I thought the Bible was a book of fairy tales and I believed

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in evolution. And this will give you a snapshot of where I was. We had an art contest. And my,

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the art I submitted at a Christian school was a graffiti-covered subway train car with the

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alien getting off the bus with a smoking gun. I think I saw that. Yeah. I made a movie about that.

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Was it like a blue light over there? And this art teacher let me submit that in the Christian

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school because he didn't want to shame me for where, because I didn't know any better. That's

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that's how I grew up. But anyway, I left that school before I was saved. But like I said,

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fulfilled prophecy. Two things got my attention. One, historical evidence that Jesus was a real

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person. So I was like, oh, well, okay, he was a real person. And then fulfilled Bible prophecy

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that made me believe the Bible is a supernatural book. So long story short, it took a few months of

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me really seeking the Lord and praying. I was genuinely praying. God, I want to know truth.

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If this is real, make me believe. And I was praying that prayer one day. And I don't recommend this.

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If you hear the gospel respond now, yeah, I was a little slow. But I was genuinely seeking. And I

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think he was patient with me peeling back some layers. But I was praying that prayer one day. Lord,

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if you're real, help me believe. And then my next sentence was, Lord, you're real. I do believe.

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Like a light switch went off in my heart. I know that was the moment I was regenerated. I was born

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again. And I'll never forget that moment. I don't know the date. It was, I was in a room by

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myself. I wasn't at a church or anything. But I'll never forget that day. And it's embedded in my

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soul or something. I'll never forget. And the rest is history. God worked in my life to grow me.

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I need a lot of growth. So by my early 20s, I was plugged into a church and serving and all that

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stuff and never looked back. Amen to that. You guys are awesome. We love you guys and keep it up.

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And friends, listen, Todd Hampson, he has authored how many books now, total?

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12, 12 in that series. And then three or four other illustrated books with other authors.

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Yeah. Yeah. That's amazing to me. And then Jeff, 40 plus 12 books. Get your hands on these

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books. I'm sure that they'll be available in the link for you to check out more. But

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we were talking before we turned the cameras on. And that is, I personally believe that

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that the narrative that is thrown out there that you cannot prove the existence of God,

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I do not believe that's true. I don't believe that's a true statement. I believe you can prove

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the existence of God. And it's called eschatology, Bible prophecy. Beyond any shout of a doubt in my

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opinion, that if you're struggling with the existence of God or can I rely upon the Bible, I want

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you to listen, doubts are fantastic as long as you get them answered. And God can take a doubt

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and feed at the truth and that will become your pillar. And Bible prophecy is one of the greatest

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things, at least it is for me, that has settled all the other doctrines of the Bible. Now maybe,

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you know, you're not supposed to think this way, but I do. I trust what is called the

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the sociological doctrines of the Bible, the salvation doctrines of the Bible. I trust them because

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I know that the God of the Bible knows the future and he has revealed that in the scriptures to us

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for us to know that. And is it interesting that Satan offers up false prophets? It's certainly

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important to say it. It should be important to you to understand the Word of God. So whatever

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these guys do, follow them, subscribe, go to their podcast, get their books. That's why we're

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sitting down here. And so listen, be ready. If there's anything going on in your life that's not

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pleasing to God, you already know it. I didn't have to say it. You already know it. He's been

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harping on you about it. And Todd said it a moment ago, when you hear him speaking, obey,

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because it's coming from the one who loves you the most. You don't even love you the way that he

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loves you. You don't care about your soul as much as he does. And so please give your heart to Christ.

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He died in the cross for your sin, Rosegan, from the dead. And there's no merit on your part that

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can warrant your entrance into heaven. You've got to come to him quite frankly. You've got to come

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to him, allowing him to ruin your life, ruin your life in this world. Let us die to this life.

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That's what he wants to do with us. So listen, until next time, God bless you guys. And as always,

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it's, it's our belief that it's time for you to live out what you believe in. It's always time

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for real life. God bless you guys.

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