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Everybody, we had a great podcast today.

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We've got Kyle Mann.

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Kyle Mann is the chief editor of the Babylon B.

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And we're excited.

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I think you're going to find some great insights.

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You're going to find some very powerful truths

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about how much we need humor in our life, right?

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Thank God for the Babylon B.

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So here we go.

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Want you to put your pods in, turn your volume up,

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and let's roll with this.

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Real Life Day.

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Real Life presents the Jack Kibs podcast

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with intention and boldness to proclaim truth,

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equip the saints, and impact our culture.

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You can get the outlines of this podcast

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by going to jackkibs.com slash podcast.

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Now, open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you.

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Kyle, I've got to ask you something right now.

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It says here that you used to be in sales

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at the Western Water Works Supply Company,

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and now that you're editor in chief of Babylon B,

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is that true, or is this a Babylon B?

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It is absolutely true.

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Yeah, I was in construction sales for 11 years

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before I started writing comedy for a living,

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which is the most bizarre jump.

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People always assume that I started out.

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People who write start out as assistant editors

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or freelance writing before they get into a more prominent role

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like the editor in chief of a setter site.

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But it was a bit of a journey.

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I was always enjoyed comedy.

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I was enjoyed satire.

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I was in various different church environments over the years.

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So you're kind of absorbing it all.

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And I'm sure we'll talk about it,

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but comedy and satire is such a good coping mechanism

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and anyone who's been bashing their head

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against a keyboard at a sales job all day,

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knows that you need to retain that sense of humor.

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So it's kind of a good path when you think about it,

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that we were using humor to kind of rally the troops

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and be able to do a nine to five office job day to day.

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And the Babylon B launched in March 2016.

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I sent in a joke.

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It was a Holy Spirit unable to move through congregation

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as fog machine breaks.

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And that was our first, that was our first big viral hit.

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And so the owner of the site said,

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do you want to be the head writer?

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And I started doing it.

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And two years later, I got hired a full time

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as the editor in chief and made that career jump.

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Incredible. I love it.

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I love the fact, and it is a fact that you mentioned

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that humor and satire is a,

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it's part of our human function, right?

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When things are rough and difficult,

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which is rather interesting,

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because I've been to other parts of the world

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where there's, there's cultures

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where you're actually not really allowed to laugh

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and they actually don't even want to laugh.

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I won't name those countries because I have friends there,

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but they just, as an American,

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and I'm not saying as an American red, white, and blue,

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I'm talking about as an American,

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the way that we're brought up,

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we often cope with difficult situations,

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not in a disrespectful way by making something funny.

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It's actually some form of our ability

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to survive a challenging event or a bad time.

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And so for you guys, it's been amazing,

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because the more pronounced or demonstrative

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I'm thinking like the Trump era,

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you guys were so incredibly effective and funny,

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and now we're in the dark days of Obama

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or Biden or whoever it is,

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and it even adds more to your list of,

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well, because we want to laugh, we need to laugh now.

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Yeah, humor is such a great,

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humor has so many functions.

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There's a prophetic role that it plays in proclaiming truth,

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and there is a comfort element to it.

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We get people that write in and say

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that they're going through the hardest season in their lives,

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whether that's the death of a friend or family member

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or just financial struggles or whatever it is.

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to really consume the news is through the Babylon B,

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because they're able to learn about what's going on

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in the outside world, but through the satirical lens

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that helps make them know like,

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hey, it's going to be okay, it's not the end of the world.

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We know who's in control of history,

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so we don't have to worry about this or that little event.

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When you joke about events,

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you really give them less power over us.

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I love it, that's so true, so true.

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You guys, if I remember right,

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didn't I see you guys on Tucker, for example,

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on the Tucker Carlson show?

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Yeah, we match huge.

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Yeah, I mean, and you think about that,

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like how crazy that is, that Christian news satire site,

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you know, launched six years ago,

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having this broad cultural impact through things

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like Tucker Carlson becoming an ally of us,

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and we're finding these allies out in the world

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that maybe some of them aren't necessarily allies in faith,

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or maybe they're not our brothers in Christ,

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but are actually allies in this culture war,

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they stand side by side with us

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in certain issues, defending free speech or whatnot.

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That's crazy to me, I mean,

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that we feel humbled and honored,

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and totally not worthy of that kind of impact.

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But you should, and I love that,

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because God is using your platform so uniquely,

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and I mean, let's be honest.

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I personally, I don't think that Satan's got a funny bone

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in his body, having said that,

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I believe God invented humor,

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and when we see what you guys are able to communicate

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to an audience that the church,

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no evangelist, no pastor, no priest or pope,

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is gonna get to the audience that you guys are reaching.

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And you guys are also what I believe is almost,

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you test the culture, and you not test the culture,

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you test the person that is consuming your product

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for the lack of a better term.

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When somebody reads something at Babylon B,

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that I think is extremely funny,

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because, first of all, I have no problem laughing at myself,

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or what you guys just pointed out is so incredibly true.

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When I see the person next to me look at it and say,

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oh, that's despicable, it tells me so much about that.

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That there's something broken in them,

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because they can't laugh at that, you know?

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Yeah, we find that when someone gets very offended

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by satire, I'm not saying that there's not a line

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that people can't cross.

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Like, obviously, there's humor that's got honoring,

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and there's humor that's not got honoring,

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and you have to be careful of that.

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But at the same time, when someone reads a satirical piece,

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or watches a funny video or whatever,

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and they get offended, it often says more about the person,

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than it does about the comedy.

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that comes from the secular world,

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and most of the time, if there's a joke about Christians

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or the church, I can laugh at it and go,

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yeah, that's kind of true.

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Exactly.

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Without getting super offended,

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or trying to cancel that person,

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or trying to burn that comedian's whole career down,

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or whatever, which is not what you see on the left.

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You know, it's funny, the stereotype of Christians

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is that we're the kind of 1950s, footy duties

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that can't laugh at anything.

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We're the guys who are sitting in the corner at the party,

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and like, you know, all you guys are having too much fun,

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and now it seems to me that the secular left

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has become so zealously religious about their beliefs,

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so blindly religious that they're now the ones

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who take themselves so seriously.

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We still work.

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Well, that makes a great target for a joke.

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Like, that's why Hollywood's beat Christians up

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for five decades, because we were so serious.

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You know, now it's like, it feels like the church

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has lightened up and been able to laugh at it.

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We've been the butt of so many jokes,

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we're laughing ourselves.

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Good point.

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The left wants to tear you down when you make fun of them

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as we've seen it.

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Yeah, and they don't know what to do with you guys.

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Right.

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They really don't.

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I don't know who it is, maybe you know,

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but some famous memeur out there

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said that progressives or leftists can't meme.

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And you know, it's so true, because you've got to be able

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to see things in life in such a way.

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The congregation that I passed her over,

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they know me, and I disclose it

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to them that for me, I see things in cartoon fashion.

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And for me, people think I have a profound memory.

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I don't.

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It's just that what I see, I see everything very technicaler.

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And I see things almost with captions over people's heads.

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And for that, I'm able to remember a situation

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or somebody that I've met or their name.

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But in many ways, it enables me to cope

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with what's going on as a pastor.

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I'm not a remote pastor.

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I'm here hands on.

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I meet with people who are dying

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or their child has just been told

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that there's some gender type, whatever.

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And the parents are coping.

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And for me to be able to deal with that,

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I've got to be able to see this situation

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in an area of hope.

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And a lot of people don't equate humor with hope.

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But there's a great connection.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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G. K. Chesterchin wrote a famous essay,

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well, famous for G. K. Chesterchin anyway.

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That was called on chasing after one's hat

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or on running after one's hat.

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And he made this point that when you've faced some hardship

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in your life, whether it's large or small,

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and he uses the example of a distinguished gentleman

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whose hat blows off his head.

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And now he's frustrated in his whole days ruined

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because he has to chase his hat down and be an idiot

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on the street running as everybody's laughing at him.

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He looks like a fool.

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And he says that we should enjoy being the butt of the joke.

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We should enjoy, you know, see yourself as the star of a sitcom.

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Not the star of this great drama, you know,

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and you'll enjoy your life.

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You'll be much more content in my life.

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Why can't we, why can't we Kyle enjoy humor at our expense?

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What's wrong with us?

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Look, I'm old enough to be your dad.

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I remember in America that laughed at itself.

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I grew up in an era where when we did something,

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it could be laughed at and made fun of.

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There was something in my day when I was a kid

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that it was like the Dean Martin roast.

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You can watch them maybe on YouTube, being Crosby, Bob Hope.

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I mean, they're ripping into these guys

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that are on the platform and they're all laughing.

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I mean, somebody's making fun of Ronald Reagan,

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the president or the governor at the time,

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and people are laughing including Reagan.

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And now you'll get sued for that kind of stuff.

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What's happened?

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Yeah, you know, it feels to me like,

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in order, the power of comedy is a uniting power, right?

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That when you do find normal people,

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whether on the left or the right,

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and there are some people on the left

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who are kind of at least normal or at least,

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you know, as the over 10 window shifts.

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You own numbers, you own numbers.

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While the over 10 window shifts,

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you still have some people that are kind of finding themselves

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left behind by the Democratic Party,

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as it goes crazy or increasing.

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But when you can find that common ground,

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that's what humor helps us do,

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as it helps us to all kind of come together and laugh at each other.

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You know, and growing up with groups of friends,

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you'd make fun of each other for this or that.

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And you never saw it as, you know,

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all this guy said this, cancel him, don't.

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You never cried about it, you never cried about it.

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I mean, I think the other side of it,

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as like I was saying before,

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the second they're left,

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takes themselves so seriously that they can't laugh themselves.

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And also, and that's just a difference in worldview.

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Because what they see is that their political beliefs

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are salvation, right?

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Because they don't have an idea of God,

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they don't have an idea that there's a hope in the future

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and all this political stuff that we're fighting on,

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where while there's important battles, you know,

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Christ reigns over history, we're gonna get there.

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Like, we know the end, we know the end of the story.

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We read the book.

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We can laugh about it, the ins and outs of what's going on.

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Whereas if they think that their political philosophy

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will bring heaven on earth,

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will bring salvation to mankind,

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then if you were laughing at it,

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it's like laughing at their religion.

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Yeah, you're exactly your scoffing and mocking them.

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Right, they can't cope with that.

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They can't cope with that.

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Do you guys have like an arch enemy?

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Number one type of a, is it a group,

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or is it a person that just can't handle you guys?

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They actually maybe even campaign against you somehow?

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Or is that just a federal government?

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Well, yeah, I mean, right now it's a massive alliance

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against us, you know, big tech collusion against us.

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We've had everyone come after us from CNN

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to the fact checkers, to Twitter,

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to Facebook, to the New York Times.

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We had an XCIA agent that was coming after us on Twitter,

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saying that we were far right disinformation disguised

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as satire.

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It's like this, that was brilliant.

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You know, I don't know about the whole

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deep state conspiracy theories or whatever,

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but it feels like there is this thing, you know,

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that I don't know if that's a spiritual battle

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or what that is, but there is this alliance against us,

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you know, and it is, we are treated completely differently

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than other, you know, satire sites that are on the left

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or comedians that are on the left.

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We get fact checked constantly, you know,

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and they'll say that we're a...

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Help me.

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We're talking satire here and yet fact checked.

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How does that possibly, give me an example.

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How does that possibly work out?

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The last thing I'd ever expect is that for the fact checkers

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who need fact checking, are fact checking you guys?

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Yeah, yeah, constantly.

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I think we might have 40 or 50 different joke fact checks

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out there.

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And what's concerning about that isn't, you know,

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it is funny to me.

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We did a joke saying that Ocasio Cortez

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went on the prices right and guess that everything is free.

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And the...

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Let's see.

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And there's a fact check of it on snopes, you know,

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but to me, it makes the joke funny here.

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Actually...

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Oh my gosh.

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Did you think that actually happened?

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Because I was...

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No, my point is, I'm stuplified as to how bad it is

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that they can't laugh.

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Right.

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That's funny, right?

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It's incredible.

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It's incredible.

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That's incredible, you know.

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AOC had to have laughed at that.

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Yeah.

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I don't know.

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So, right?

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But to think that somebody got their knickers in a wad

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over that is both extremely funny and horrifically tragic

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at the same time.

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This funny, because if you Google that joke,

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the first result is snopes.

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And it says, did Ocasio Cortez really go on the prices right

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and guess that everything is free, false?

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You know, then there's a thousand-word debunking

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of the article, which...

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They make it.

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They make you...

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You know, it says something about the target of the satire.

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If you can't tell that, that's false immediately,

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right on its face.

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But the concern, anything about it, it does make us laugh.

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But the concern thing about it is that there's this kind

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of big tech cabal where if a fact checker

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labels you as false, now Facebook rates you

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as an unreliable news source.

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So now your links start to get suppressed on Facebook.

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You know, and then Twitter and Facebook are talking

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and then they start to suppress you.

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And we're banned from Twitter right now too.

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So because, okay, I'm trying to follow this.

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Help me out, because this is not my world.

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But if they ban you guys or label you guys

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as disinformation or false information,

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yet you're a satire organization, a comedic product

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that they've actually put you guys

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in the realm of opposition politically.

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You are political opposition.

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Well, you know, and they don't say that outright.

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No, they don't.

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What they say is this is a disinformation side

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or this side is confusing people.

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So it's rated down in the metrics.

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So because it's satire.

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Yeah, but they don't really kind of acknowledge it.

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It's satire, it's like false, fact check false.

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They made a false statement, you know.

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The very first one we did, one of our first fact checks

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was we said that CNN purchased an industrial washing machine

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to spin the news in.

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And I remember reading that.

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Today's book tried to take us off their platform.

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Did you monetize the platform else?

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Because that was false.

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Because CNN didn't really buy a washing machine.

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Because they didn't, well, as far as we know,

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they didn't, that didn't actually happen.

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Believe me, I'm sorry, let me, again, I'm stupid now.

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I'm asking you, was that a real human that decided that

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to critique you guys like that?

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Or are those bots, what is that?

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So this, the way that we think it works

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is that there's a real human at snopes

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or the different fact checking sites who decides

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we're going to fact check this one.

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And then Facebook has an algorithm that feeds any fact check

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from snopes and it grabs it on their sciences.

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All right, this one is labeled as false.

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You're, you get dinged for sharing a false story.

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And you know, they do that with USA Today.

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They do it with AP fact checkers.

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They do that with snopes.

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So we've gotten fact check many times on different topics.

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And so now we have a very low rating in the system.

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We are purveyor of false information.

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Has it hurt you guys at all?

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Oh, yeah, technology side of it.

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Yeah, absolutely.

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We get completely suppressed on Facebook.

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Any link you share to Babylonbee.com,

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your friends probably won't see.

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We went from getting, you know, we'd post a joke

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that would get 50,000 shares, 100,000 shares on Facebook

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to links that get 10 shares.

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You know, that's the level of.

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And it's so obvious that even in our sermons,

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well, I'm not known to be politically correct.

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And it is, you know, I'll look and see three days later

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where a message will have, you know,

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normally 100,000, something 200,000 views

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and it's got 57,000 or even, or just 10,000,

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something's up, something's up.

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But what about, and we're kind of going into areas

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that are kind of yet maybe not announced or fully announced.

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But we've been told on our end regarding religious content

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that there is some sort of hope coming,

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part of this truth social team.

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We've heard that there's going to be things coming

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where we'll be able to actually speak and preach

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and do what we do, uncensored.

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Have you heard anything about that as well?

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Is there anything that you might be able to say

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that there is a fair game coming to town?

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Well, I'll say that there is some hope from different angles

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and I don't know exactly how everything is going to shake out

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in the end.

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But obviously we have only these alternative social sites

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that are coming out.

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And that's a positive thing.

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It's good to be able to put your content on 20 different platforms

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instead of just the two big guns.

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At the same time, a lot of those smaller sites,

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they're not going to drive the same amount of traffic.

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You're not going to be reaching the same audience.

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It kind of puts you in this echo chamber

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you're not reaching the people that you're trying to reach.

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You know, a Babylon B article that goes viral on Facebook

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is going to get us a lot more traffic,

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a lot more exposure, a lot more Tucker Carlson appearances

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than something that does well on parlor

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or on treat the social or these different sites.

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Obviously with things like Elon Musk putting in his offer

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to buy Twitter, it seems like there is this,

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even within the big tech companies,

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there is this pushback.

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You know, we even saw with Netflix,

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the Netflix was telling its employees to,

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you know, if we're going to make non-woke content,

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you just have to deal with it or quit.

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So you're seeing a lot of these guys

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that made this bed that they have to lie in now

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starting to say, wait a minute,

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we're going to be in trouble.

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And you saw it with Twitter with Elon Musk.

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They're having to clean up their act

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because they're realizing now that they're doing things

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that aren't good for business just because they want to push

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their woke ideology and agendas.

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So I've been encouraged by some of the developments

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that we've seen in that area.

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Something's got to happen.

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Something's going to give.

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I mean, people are waking up and rebelling against it.

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Absolutely.

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Gosh, I laughed.

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You guys, something to the effect

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where Elon Musk was buying Twitter,

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but he woke up, right,

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he woke up the next morning,

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there's like 338,000 board member folks

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that had been counted during the night.

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That's right, yeah.

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That kind of stuff, just, you know,

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everybody who's watching the news

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from either spectrum has got to just say,

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oh, that is funny.

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So you're Christmas stuff.

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What's your, what's your favorite?

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Do you have a genre?

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Do you have a season?

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Or for you, is it just each day?

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So a lot of our process is definitely like waking up

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in the morning, looking at the news.

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How can we make fun of this?

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You know, and you want to,

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you know, we are there to communicate truth.

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We are there to, you know, deliver a message

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that we want to deliver.

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But at the same time,

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a lot of the problem with a lot of Christian

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or conservative content in the past

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has been that they put the message first

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in such a blatant and obvious way

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that, you know, the comedy suffers

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or the creativity suffers.

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So we definitely try to do a comedy first approach

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or humor first approach,

520
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where if it's not funny,

521
00:21:30.960 --> 00:21:31.960
it's not going to get published.

522
00:21:31.960 --> 00:21:33.960
It doesn't matter how good your point is.

523
00:21:33.960 --> 00:21:34.960
You know, if you're just,

524
00:21:34.960 --> 00:21:36.960
if this is just an op-ed in disguise,

525
00:21:36.960 --> 00:21:38.960
then any number of websites could do this.

526
00:21:38.960 --> 00:21:39.960
Yeah, this is tons of those.

527
00:21:39.960 --> 00:21:41.960
We'd rather be funny, you know.

528
00:21:41.960 --> 00:21:42.960
I mean, for me personally,

529
00:21:42.960 --> 00:21:44.960
I love doing the classic Christian jokes

530
00:21:44.960 --> 00:21:46.960
and church humor jokes,

531
00:21:46.960 --> 00:21:47.960
because that's my wheelhouse.

532
00:21:47.960 --> 00:21:48.960
That's my world.

533
00:21:48.960 --> 00:21:51.960
Making jokes about your own is always my favorite.

534
00:21:51.960 --> 00:21:52.960
Absolutely.

535
00:21:52.960 --> 00:21:53.960
You know, and some people will get upset

536
00:21:53.960 --> 00:21:55.960
that why do you make fun of Christians so much?

537
00:21:55.960 --> 00:21:57.960
Because we love Christians.

538
00:21:57.960 --> 00:21:58.960
Yeah.

539
00:21:58.960 --> 00:21:59.960
And you know what?

540
00:21:59.960 --> 00:22:03.960
And it makes the Christian audience

541
00:22:03.960 --> 00:22:05.960
that's viewing or reading your content.

542
00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:07.960
It makes them stop and look on the inside

543
00:22:07.960 --> 00:22:08.960
to ask, is that true?

544
00:22:08.960 --> 00:22:09.960
Right.

545
00:22:09.960 --> 00:22:10.960
Is that really happening?

546
00:22:10.960 --> 00:22:12.960
I mean, honestly, you mentioned,

547
00:22:12.960 --> 00:22:13.960
or did you mention it?

548
00:22:13.960 --> 00:22:17.960
Do we talk about it before going on on the air about,

549
00:22:17.960 --> 00:22:19.960
yeah, you just did about the Holy Spirit,

550
00:22:19.960 --> 00:22:20.960
the fog machine.

551
00:22:20.960 --> 00:22:21.960
Yeah, right.

552
00:22:21.960 --> 00:22:22.960
That kind of stuff.

553
00:22:22.960 --> 00:22:23.960
I mean, it's truly, it's like,

554
00:22:23.960 --> 00:22:24.960
oh, that's funny.

555
00:22:24.960 --> 00:22:26.960
Because look in Christian ministry,

556
00:22:26.960 --> 00:22:29.960
we could get so caught up in the lighting

557
00:22:29.960 --> 00:22:31.960
and in the fog and in the stuff

558
00:22:31.960 --> 00:22:34.960
that we forget to stop and ask God to bless the service.

559
00:22:34.960 --> 00:22:37.960
You guys have a disappointing lack of fog here on this set.

560
00:22:37.960 --> 00:22:38.960
I've noticed this.

561
00:22:38.960 --> 00:22:39.960
If we were pretty tragic.

562
00:22:40.960 --> 00:22:43.960
If we were only sensitive to the Holy Spirit,

563
00:22:43.960 --> 00:22:45.960
we would have had his fog here.

564
00:22:45.960 --> 00:22:47.960
Well, it's just the right amount of fog.

565
00:22:47.960 --> 00:22:48.960
So he could move.

566
00:22:48.960 --> 00:22:50.960
Well, that's the good.

567
00:22:50.960 --> 00:22:53.960
That's the kind of prophetic or cutting edge of satire

568
00:22:53.960 --> 00:22:54.960
that it makes you laugh.

569
00:22:54.960 --> 00:22:56.960
And then it makes you think.

570
00:22:56.960 --> 00:23:00.960
GK Chesterton once said that humor can get in under the door

571
00:23:00.960 --> 00:23:03.960
while seriousness is still fumbling at the handle.

572
00:23:03.960 --> 00:23:06.960
And that's like so accurate, you know.

573
00:23:07.960 --> 00:23:09.960
If you read an article that says like,

574
00:23:09.960 --> 00:23:11.960
you know, 10 things you should be doing differently

575
00:23:11.960 --> 00:23:12.960
in your worship services.

576
00:23:12.960 --> 00:23:14.960
You know, you might already be on guard

577
00:23:14.960 --> 00:23:16.960
or like, what are they saying is wrong with my worship services?

578
00:23:16.960 --> 00:23:18.960
You know, but if you're out of joke that's just lighthearted

579
00:23:18.960 --> 00:23:21.960
making fun of kind of something that we do in worship services,

580
00:23:21.960 --> 00:23:23.960
then people are willing to laugh at it and then think,

581
00:23:23.960 --> 00:23:24.960
oh, maybe there's something.

582
00:23:24.960 --> 00:23:27.960
Maybe we are swinging too far that way or that way or whatever.

583
00:23:27.960 --> 00:23:32.960
So take us into the day and the life of being at the, at the bee.

584
00:23:32.960 --> 00:23:33.960
What, what happens?

585
00:23:33.960 --> 00:23:36.960
Yeah, I mean, it's a super fun group of guys.

586
00:23:36.960 --> 00:23:39.960
Well, and that's the funny thing about all the fact checks

587
00:23:39.960 --> 00:23:42.960
and the censorship and, you know, one of the things

588
00:23:42.960 --> 00:23:44.960
the New York Times said was that we are a,

589
00:23:44.960 --> 00:23:49.960
we are far right misinformation source disguised as humor

590
00:23:49.960 --> 00:23:52.960
disguised as satire, which is similar to what the CIA agent

591
00:23:52.960 --> 00:23:55.960
guy said.

592
00:23:55.960 --> 00:23:58.960
And it couldn't be further from the truth because when you juxtapose

593
00:23:58.960 --> 00:24:00.960
that against what we do day to day, you know,

594
00:24:00.960 --> 00:24:03.960
we're guys that are sitting around in a circle in a very small

595
00:24:03.960 --> 00:24:05.960
office, which we're about to get a bigger one.

596
00:24:05.960 --> 00:24:07.960
But we're sitting around in a very small office,

597
00:24:07.960 --> 00:24:09.960
just looking at each other like, well, what do you got today?

598
00:24:09.960 --> 00:24:10.960
What's funny?

599
00:24:10.960 --> 00:24:11.960
What's making you laugh, you know?

600
00:24:11.960 --> 00:24:13.960
And, and we're making each other laugh.

601
00:24:13.960 --> 00:24:15.960
We're cracking jokes, jokes.

602
00:24:15.960 --> 00:24:18.960
And, and just looking for the ones that float to the surface,

603
00:24:18.960 --> 00:24:21.960
you know, and this come my job as the editor is to like,

604
00:24:21.960 --> 00:24:24.960
you know, filter stuff out, you know, that's really funny,

605
00:24:24.960 --> 00:24:26.960
but we would get in trouble for telling that joke.

606
00:24:26.960 --> 00:24:28.960
You know, a Calvary Chapel would be mad at us for telling

607
00:24:28.960 --> 00:24:30.960
that joke, so don't do that one.

608
00:24:30.960 --> 00:24:32.960
There's got, oh, no, tell it.

609
00:24:32.960 --> 00:24:34.960
Tell it, please.

610
00:24:34.960 --> 00:24:38.960
It's got to be, I mean, do you guys ever

611
00:24:38.960 --> 00:24:40.960
sitting around that circle?

612
00:24:40.960 --> 00:24:43.960
Do you ever just say, you know what?

613
00:24:43.960 --> 00:24:44.960
That was such a bad idea.

614
00:24:44.960 --> 00:24:47.960
Don't even, don't even try to come up with something like that again.

615
00:24:47.960 --> 00:24:50.960
Well, I think a good rule for writing comedy and curativity

616
00:24:50.960 --> 00:24:54.960
is having your, having your space where you pitch your ideas,

617
00:24:54.960 --> 00:24:56.960
having that be a safe space.

618
00:24:56.960 --> 00:24:57.960
And they can.

619
00:24:57.960 --> 00:24:58.960
Yeah, I don't know.

620
00:24:58.960 --> 00:24:59.960
I don't know.

621
00:24:59.960 --> 00:25:01.960
No, I know what you mean, but you're right.

622
00:25:01.960 --> 00:25:02.960
It should be like that.

623
00:25:02.960 --> 00:25:04.960
You're not going to get canceled or lose your career

624
00:25:04.960 --> 00:25:07.960
over a bad pitch or a pitch that's too far.

625
00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:08.960
Let it loose.

626
00:25:08.960 --> 00:25:10.960
You know, you can't write, you can't write creativity,

627
00:25:10.960 --> 00:25:11.960
you can't write comedy from a place.

628
00:25:11.960 --> 00:25:13.960
You mean first amendment kind of stuff?

629
00:25:13.960 --> 00:25:14.960
Right, exactly.

630
00:25:14.960 --> 00:25:15.960
Wow.

631
00:25:15.960 --> 00:25:16.960
You can't write it from a place of fear.

632
00:25:16.960 --> 00:25:18.960
You have to write it from a place of boldness

633
00:25:18.960 --> 00:25:20.960
or just being true to what you're, what you're feeling.

634
00:25:20.960 --> 00:25:22.960
You know, it has, and that's, I mean, good comedy.

635
00:25:22.960 --> 00:25:25.960
What was everybody always say like that joke is so true.

636
00:25:25.960 --> 00:25:27.960
You know, and that's why.

637
00:25:27.960 --> 00:25:29.960
It's because you're writing something is true.

638
00:25:29.960 --> 00:25:31.960
So if you're, if you're writing something just to please an audience

639
00:25:31.960 --> 00:25:33.960
or you're writing it because you're afraid,

640
00:25:33.960 --> 00:25:34.960
oh, we can't go too far this way or that way.

641
00:25:34.960 --> 00:25:36.960
Then it's not, it's you're going to lose your edge.

642
00:25:36.960 --> 00:25:38.960
At the same time as the editor, I have to then,

643
00:25:38.960 --> 00:25:40.960
I think there is a place for filtering and saying,

644
00:25:40.960 --> 00:25:42.960
does that go over the line this way or that way?

645
00:25:42.960 --> 00:25:44.960
And that's the editorial process.

646
00:25:44.960 --> 00:25:46.960
So that's more I've got the pitches collected.

647
00:25:46.960 --> 00:25:49.960
And then I'm kind of filtering through or editing things,

648
00:25:49.960 --> 00:25:52.960
you know, trimming off edges to kind of get what we want.

649
00:25:52.960 --> 00:25:53.960
We also shoot a lot of videos.

650
00:25:53.960 --> 00:25:57.960
Now we're doing a lot of sketch comedy on YouTube and elsewhere.

651
00:25:57.960 --> 00:25:59.960
And we're doing podcasts and all that.

652
00:25:59.960 --> 00:26:02.960
So then, so good chunk of our week is writing stuff for that.

653
00:26:02.960 --> 00:26:05.960
And that's my favorite is sitting down and writing a sketch.

654
00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:06.960
You know, we sit down and write an idea.

655
00:26:06.960 --> 00:26:07.960
Really.

656
00:26:07.960 --> 00:26:10.960
And it's, you know, if you ever sat around with your friends

657
00:26:10.960 --> 00:26:13.960
and joked around, I mean, that's the, that's what the feel is

658
00:26:13.960 --> 00:26:16.960
for writing a sketch because you're all throwing jokes in and ideas.

659
00:26:16.960 --> 00:26:18.960
A lot of fun.

660
00:26:18.960 --> 00:26:20.960
I was completely blown away.

661
00:26:20.960 --> 00:26:26.960
Cutoffs, cutoffs, surprise, just shocked to actually to see

662
00:26:26.960 --> 00:26:29.960
that you guys had interviewed Elon Musk.

663
00:26:29.960 --> 00:26:31.960
I can't imagine how that even came together.

664
00:26:31.960 --> 00:26:36.960
I would, I would, first of all, have to assume that he's a fan,

665
00:26:36.960 --> 00:26:40.960
which is an incredible honor to have Musk as a fan.

666
00:26:40.960 --> 00:26:44.960
But to get him into your, right, assume you got him into your offices.

667
00:26:44.960 --> 00:26:47.960
We actually flew out to a studio and had him meet us there,

668
00:26:47.960 --> 00:26:48.960
kind of closer to him.

669
00:26:48.960 --> 00:26:51.960
So it was, it was a whirlwind.

670
00:26:51.960 --> 00:26:52.960
It was incredible.

671
00:26:52.960 --> 00:26:53.960
Yeah.

672
00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:56.960
He had interacted with our content on Twitter and such before

673
00:26:56.960 --> 00:26:59.960
where he'd replied to a joke or laugh at a joke,

674
00:26:59.960 --> 00:27:01.960
share a battle on B joke, that kind of stuff.

675
00:27:01.960 --> 00:27:04.960
So we knew that he was a fan.

676
00:27:04.960 --> 00:27:08.960
But, you know, our podcast, we, we typically interview pastors

677
00:27:08.960 --> 00:27:12.960
or, you know, apologists and just, you know, we kind of stay

678
00:27:12.960 --> 00:27:15.960
mostly in the Christian sphere or comedians, stuff like that.

679
00:27:15.960 --> 00:27:19.960
And so Elon Musk was definitely out of our league for an interview.

680
00:27:19.960 --> 00:27:24.960
And we had a, we had an assistant podcast producer who,

681
00:27:24.960 --> 00:27:28.960
kind of without, without really running it by anyone,

682
00:27:28.960 --> 00:27:31.960
just sort of DMing people on Twitter asking if people

683
00:27:31.960 --> 00:27:33.960
would come on our podcast, you know.

684
00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:38.960
And, and he kind of calls me in a frantically, you know, Kyle,

685
00:27:38.960 --> 00:27:42.960
Elon Musk just replied to our Twitter DM, what do I do?

686
00:27:43.960 --> 00:27:47.960
And so he basically replied and said, you know, fly out

687
00:27:47.960 --> 00:27:50.960
tomorrow and we'll do the interview and, you know,

688
00:27:50.960 --> 00:27:51.960
just let me know where to meet you guys.

689
00:27:51.960 --> 00:27:53.960
Get a studio and let me know where to meet you guys.

690
00:27:53.960 --> 00:27:55.960
And so it was that quick.

691
00:27:55.960 --> 00:27:57.960
And we did it.

692
00:27:57.960 --> 00:27:59.960
It was out, it was out two days later, you know,

693
00:27:59.960 --> 00:28:03.960
we had our podcast production team was working nonstop for 48 hours

694
00:28:03.960 --> 00:28:06.960
to do the post production on that and get it out on the YouTube channel.

695
00:28:06.960 --> 00:28:07.960
And it was just, it was awesome.

696
00:28:07.960 --> 00:28:09.960
Just quite an incredible thing.

697
00:28:09.960 --> 00:28:12.960
How did you, how did you find him to be, you know,

698
00:28:12.960 --> 00:28:14.960
everybody asked that question, everybody wants to know,

699
00:28:14.960 --> 00:28:17.960
what's he like when the, when the mics off and the lights are off?

700
00:28:17.960 --> 00:28:18.960
I was great.

701
00:28:18.960 --> 00:28:21.960
I mean, he was such a cool person that he came in and sat down

702
00:28:21.960 --> 00:28:24.960
and, you know, we were all very nervous, obviously, you know,

703
00:28:24.960 --> 00:28:27.960
like this is the biggest interview that we'll ever do.

704
00:28:27.960 --> 00:28:28.960
I mean, it's, yeah.

705
00:28:28.960 --> 00:28:32.960
It's, we didn't feel worthy or deserving to be doing this, you know,

706
00:28:32.960 --> 00:28:35.960
like just, there's other better qualified interviewers

707
00:28:35.960 --> 00:28:36.960
that could be doing this.

708
00:28:36.960 --> 00:28:39.960
And we sat down and, uh, and he just sat down.

709
00:28:39.960 --> 00:28:40.960
He almost started interviewing us.

710
00:28:40.960 --> 00:28:42.960
Like, he just sat down like, I love the M1B.

711
00:28:42.960 --> 00:28:44.960
How did you guys get started?

712
00:28:44.960 --> 00:28:46.960
And, you know, he was just asking us questions.

713
00:28:46.960 --> 00:28:48.960
And we're just kind of kind of got off guard trying to answer him.

714
00:28:48.960 --> 00:28:49.960
And then we kind of just float into the interview.

715
00:28:49.960 --> 00:28:51.960
And it was very, it was almost very informal.

716
00:28:51.960 --> 00:28:53.960
And he just, we just let him talk.

717
00:28:53.960 --> 00:28:55.960
And such an interesting guy.

718
00:28:55.960 --> 00:28:56.960
Obviously, very intelligent.

719
00:28:56.960 --> 00:28:57.960
Yeah.

720
00:28:57.960 --> 00:29:01.960
And, um, and just a wide range of topics from humor and cancel culture and comedy

721
00:29:01.960 --> 00:29:04.960
to, uh, you know, we were asked, asked him a very technical question

722
00:29:04.960 --> 00:29:05.960
about his rockets.

723
00:29:05.960 --> 00:29:07.960
And he went off for 10 minutes about it.

724
00:29:07.960 --> 00:29:08.960
About his toys.

725
00:29:08.960 --> 00:29:09.960
Yeah.

726
00:29:09.960 --> 00:29:10.960
Right. Right.

727
00:29:10.960 --> 00:29:11.960
Right.

728
00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:12.960
It's amazing.

729
00:29:12.960 --> 00:29:13.960
Yeah.

730
00:29:13.960 --> 00:29:14.960
It was quite a cool thing.

731
00:29:14.960 --> 00:29:16.960
And then he was gracious enough to hang out with us for another hour or so

732
00:29:16.960 --> 00:29:17.960
after the, after the cameras were off.

733
00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.960
And, and just, just wanted to talk about the M1B and him and,

734
00:29:21.960 --> 00:29:23.960
and the way cultures going.

735
00:29:23.960 --> 00:29:24.960
And it was very cool.

736
00:29:24.960 --> 00:29:25.960
You know, we wish we'd left the cameras on.

737
00:29:25.960 --> 00:29:26.960
Wow.

738
00:29:26.960 --> 00:29:27.960
Isn't that true?

739
00:29:27.960 --> 00:29:30.960
So just personally, what, what do you think, um,

740
00:29:30.960 --> 00:29:32.960
he's South African, right?

741
00:29:32.960 --> 00:29:33.960
Yeah.

742
00:29:33.960 --> 00:29:35.960
But he lives here, obviously, that is.

743
00:29:35.960 --> 00:29:36.960
Yes.

744
00:29:36.960 --> 00:29:42.960
And, um, so, what do you think he's at?

745
00:29:42.960 --> 00:29:45.960
Is he moving more center or right?

746
00:29:45.960 --> 00:29:50.960
Or, where's he at in his world view of?

747
00:29:50.960 --> 00:29:53.960
I mean, I mean, I was going to say poor guy.

748
00:29:53.960 --> 00:29:56.960
Unfortunate guy in the sense that he's, you know,

749
00:29:56.960 --> 00:30:00.960
he was there, darling the leftist darling for a long time.

750
00:30:00.960 --> 00:30:04.960
And now he's asked people to use their own minds and think.

751
00:30:04.960 --> 00:30:05.960
And they hate him now.

752
00:30:05.960 --> 00:30:06.960
Yeah.

753
00:30:06.960 --> 00:30:07.960
Well, I mean, I think it's a little bit of both.

754
00:30:07.960 --> 00:30:09.960
He's like, he's probably, you know, I can't speak for him necessarily,

755
00:30:09.960 --> 00:30:12.960
obviously, but, um, he's probably moving slightly right,

756
00:30:12.960 --> 00:30:15.960
while Democrats are moving incredibly left.

757
00:30:15.960 --> 00:30:18.960
And so both of that makes it look like he's going far right or whatever.

758
00:30:18.960 --> 00:30:19.960
That's a good point.

759
00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:20.960
You know, it's just something with Bill Mar,

760
00:30:20.960 --> 00:30:23.960
if you watch him now, and then Bill Mar will go on there and say things that sound like,

761
00:30:23.960 --> 00:30:27.960
it's just normal things that people believed five years ago make him seem like a far right,

762
00:30:27.960 --> 00:30:28.960
not see or whatever.

763
00:30:28.960 --> 00:30:31.960
You know, that's like Bill Mar, anyway, you know,

764
00:30:31.960 --> 00:30:33.960
that's the stuff that the left will accuse him of, you know,

765
00:30:33.960 --> 00:30:34.960
being this far right guy now.

766
00:30:34.960 --> 00:30:37.960
And he's like, I'm just saying the boys are boys and girls are girls like,

767
00:30:37.960 --> 00:30:38.960
right?

768
00:30:38.960 --> 00:30:42.960
So there's probably some of that over to Wendershifting with, with Musk.

769
00:30:42.960 --> 00:30:45.960
I think he is probably a classical liberal, you know,

770
00:30:45.960 --> 00:30:48.960
there's that he does value free speech that seems to be one of his big rallying

771
00:30:48.960 --> 00:30:50.960
crisis free speech and freedom.

772
00:30:50.960 --> 00:30:51.960
Right.

773
00:30:51.960 --> 00:30:54.960
And that puts him at odds with Democrats nowadays, sadly.

774
00:30:54.960 --> 00:30:55.960
That's right.

775
00:30:55.960 --> 00:30:59.960
So you being the editor in chief, you've got to know funny when you see funny.

776
00:30:59.960 --> 00:31:00.960
Yeah.

777
00:31:00.960 --> 00:31:01.960
Right.

778
00:31:01.960 --> 00:31:05.960
So it's not just a title for you, you know what you're doing.

779
00:31:05.960 --> 00:31:10.960
Is this something that you, that you just all your life?

780
00:31:10.960 --> 00:31:13.960
It's the way that God wired you, that you saw things funny.

781
00:31:13.960 --> 00:31:16.960
Is it something where there was a click maybe?

782
00:31:16.960 --> 00:31:17.960
Was it a movie?

783
00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:23.960
Was it, was it an event where something just got the sparks and wheels flying?

784
00:31:23.960 --> 00:31:26.960
You know, I always say, I don't know if I was that funny growing up or whatever,

785
00:31:26.960 --> 00:31:30.960
but my, my family always says, oh, yeah, you were the, like, you were the clown of the family.

786
00:31:30.960 --> 00:31:31.960
Yeah.

787
00:31:31.960 --> 00:31:33.960
Like, don't you realize the entertainer, the classical?

788
00:31:33.960 --> 00:31:34.960
But I think I was, I always had a dry sense of humor.

789
00:31:34.960 --> 00:31:36.960
Like, I, I didn't, I wasn't the over the top.

790
00:31:36.960 --> 00:31:39.960
Like, oh, I'm the guy who's gonna throw a pie in his face or whatever.

791
00:31:39.960 --> 00:31:42.960
It was more dry commentary or just that rye, wittiness.

792
00:31:42.960 --> 00:31:45.960
I love, I love all the old Christopher Guest documentaries,

793
00:31:45.960 --> 00:31:47.960
like this Final Tap and Mighty Wind and Best of Show.

794
00:31:47.960 --> 00:31:50.960
You know, those are the ones, those are the ones that speak to me, you know,

795
00:31:50.960 --> 00:31:54.960
because it's, you're finding this little subculture and you're doing this very dry.

796
00:31:54.960 --> 00:31:55.960
Is this, is this real?

797
00:31:55.960 --> 00:31:56.960
Is this a joke?

798
00:31:56.960 --> 00:31:59.960
I don't know what this is when you first watch those, those movies.

799
00:31:59.960 --> 00:32:03.960
So I've always loved that kind of humor and that obviously fits very well with Bamblumbi.

800
00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.960
So yeah, when I saw the Bamblumbi posted on my, on my Facebook feed the first day at launch,

801
00:32:07.960 --> 00:32:11.960
I looked at it and I, this is it, this is what I want to do, you know.

802
00:32:11.960 --> 00:32:16.960
I told my wife, we had just moved into a new house and I was still working at the old sales job

803
00:32:16.960 --> 00:32:20.960
and I said, I want to do this writing thing full time if it, if it ever happens.

804
00:32:20.960 --> 00:32:21.960
Right.

805
00:32:21.960 --> 00:32:23.960
You know, and she's, she's been very supportive.

806
00:32:23.960 --> 00:32:25.960
You know, she's like, well, if you want to quit and do it, do it.

807
00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:28.960
But she in the back of her mind was always like, how is this writing ever going to make money?

808
00:32:28.960 --> 00:32:29.960
Like this Christian jokes?

809
00:32:29.960 --> 00:32:30.960
You can do all you want.

810
00:32:30.960 --> 00:32:31.960
Just pay the mortgage.

811
00:32:31.960 --> 00:32:34.960
As long as you pay the bills and God's been gracious in that area.

812
00:32:34.960 --> 00:32:37.960
So what are the, what are the setback?

813
00:32:37.960 --> 00:32:41.960
What makes it, what, what makes it a hard day for you?

814
00:32:41.960 --> 00:32:42.960
What's a hard day?

815
00:32:42.960 --> 00:32:45.960
Well, I mean, any, I find that as humans,

816
00:32:45.960 --> 00:32:48.960
we can always find misery in any situation no matter how good, you know.

817
00:32:48.960 --> 00:32:52.960
Like it's so, it's so tempting to be discontented with your life.

818
00:32:52.960 --> 00:32:58.960
You know, if you're, if you're a cashier or, you know, a sales guy or a banker or whatever,

819
00:32:58.960 --> 00:33:03.960
you can always find something that makes you depressed about your job, you know.

820
00:33:03.960 --> 00:33:08.960
I mean, for us, it's the worst is the, not being able to find the joke,

821
00:33:08.960 --> 00:33:12.960
not being able to find the right, you know, angle the right thing.

822
00:33:13.960 --> 00:33:16.960
With comedy on the internet, it's especially difficult because you're not

823
00:33:16.960 --> 00:33:19.960
a stand-up comic where you can get that instant feedback.

824
00:33:19.960 --> 00:33:23.960
And it fuels you and, you know, you say something and you hear everybody laugh and you're like,

825
00:33:23.960 --> 00:33:25.960
like, good, I'm on the right track, you know.

826
00:33:25.960 --> 00:33:29.960
So when I do, when I do like a speech somewhere when I go give a presentation

827
00:33:29.960 --> 00:33:31.960
and read some Babylon B headlines, you get that.

828
00:33:31.960 --> 00:33:35.960
Like the crowd is, the crowd loves it, you know, and you can get that instant feedback.

829
00:33:35.960 --> 00:33:40.960
On the internet, it's difficult because you don't get, you don't get that instant feedback.

830
00:33:40.960 --> 00:33:43.960
You know, maybe you get some likes or comments or shares.

831
00:33:43.960 --> 00:33:45.960
And then, but that's so mechanical.

832
00:33:45.960 --> 00:33:46.960
It's just numbers.

833
00:33:46.960 --> 00:33:50.960
It doesn't show you the person who's texting it to their friend and the group texts

834
00:33:50.960 --> 00:33:54.960
that go around, everybody tells me about where they're sharing Babylon B articles.

835
00:33:54.960 --> 00:33:55.960
Exactly what happens here.

836
00:33:55.960 --> 00:33:58.960
You don't see the pastors on Sunday who show a Babylon B headline at their congregation.

837
00:33:58.960 --> 00:34:01.960
Like you don't get all that feedback. All you see is that number.

838
00:34:01.960 --> 00:34:04.960
So when there's things like suppression on Facebook or suppression on Twitter or whatever,

839
00:34:04.960 --> 00:34:06.960
you know, you're not getting that feedback.

840
00:34:06.960 --> 00:34:08.960
You're like, oh, we're not getting the shares we want.

841
00:34:08.960 --> 00:34:10.960
I can make you go, we're really not funny.

842
00:34:10.960 --> 00:34:13.960
You know, so for six years, I've been saying, I'm not funny.

843
00:34:13.960 --> 00:34:14.960
I don't have any more jokes.

844
00:34:14.960 --> 00:34:19.960
And then the next day, you always, you always are hit with something to.

845
00:34:19.960 --> 00:34:26.960
So like, like I've heard that comedians go through, certainly pro athletes go through a slump.

846
00:34:26.960 --> 00:34:27.960
Sure.

847
00:34:27.960 --> 00:34:29.960
How, how would you get out of a slump?

848
00:34:29.960 --> 00:34:30.960
Yeah, that's true.

849
00:34:30.960 --> 00:34:34.960
I mean, I think like I was talking about Chesterton earlier with a chasing your hat thing.

850
00:34:34.960 --> 00:34:36.960
That's something that we constantly quote around the office.

851
00:34:36.960 --> 00:34:39.960
You know, if there's a day where there's no jokes coming together or this, you know,

852
00:34:39.960 --> 00:34:41.960
we say, well, it's just a chasing your hat day.

853
00:34:41.960 --> 00:34:43.960
We're just, we can be the idiots today.

854
00:34:43.960 --> 00:34:45.960
And we don't always have to be the ones who are clever.

855
00:34:45.960 --> 00:34:47.960
And so I think we have to keep that in mind.

856
00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:50.960
And I have to just constantly slap myself and remind you.

857
00:34:50.960 --> 00:34:51.960
Yeah.

858
00:34:51.960 --> 00:34:55.960
You know, not literally, but I have to constantly slap myself and remind myself.

859
00:34:55.960 --> 00:34:58.960
Like you tell jokes on the internet for a living.

860
00:34:58.960 --> 00:34:59.960
You got it easy.

861
00:34:59.960 --> 00:35:03.960
You know, it's, it's the Israelites in the desert, you know, when they get,

862
00:35:03.960 --> 00:35:05.960
they get, they get rescued from Pharaoh.

863
00:35:05.960 --> 00:35:07.960
And then it's like, oh, we should have gone back there.

864
00:35:07.960 --> 00:35:10.960
You know, I'm like, I always have to remember like, oh, well, you were sitting at a sales job

865
00:35:10.960 --> 00:35:13.960
working 80 hours of a cat in your life, you know, four or five years ago.

866
00:35:13.960 --> 00:35:16.960
So you have to try to be content in that.

867
00:35:16.960 --> 00:35:17.960
Remember, keep things in perspective.

868
00:35:17.960 --> 00:35:20.960
I mean, even where we are in human history, just that, you know,

869
00:35:20.960 --> 00:35:23.960
we wrote a Babylon B headline once that was like, you know, I'm bored.

870
00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:27.960
It says kid who has more things than royalty had 100 years ago.

871
00:35:27.960 --> 00:35:30.960
You know, and there's a kid sitting there with his always video game consoles.

872
00:35:30.960 --> 00:35:31.960
You know, and, but that's me too.

873
00:35:31.960 --> 00:35:33.960
Like I sit there and go, oh, you know, life is hard.

874
00:35:33.960 --> 00:35:37.960
And I'm like, well, you know, 100 years ago, I would have been farming my own food.

875
00:35:37.960 --> 00:35:38.960
Right.

876
00:35:38.960 --> 00:35:43.960
It's so, it's so hard to, or it's so easy to forget like where we are in human history

877
00:35:43.960 --> 00:35:45.960
and how content that should make us, you know.

878
00:35:45.960 --> 00:35:51.960
Do you see funny and just things naturally though?

879
00:35:51.960 --> 00:35:57.960
I mean, like you guys have to sit down in an office, so to speak and put things together.

880
00:35:57.960 --> 00:36:03.960
But are you not just, because it's such a part of who we are as created in the image of God

881
00:36:03.960 --> 00:36:08.960
that aren't you just kind of always on the funny note, so to speak?

882
00:36:08.960 --> 00:36:11.960
Not being funny, because that could be a noxious.

883
00:36:11.960 --> 00:36:17.960
But what I'm saying is like you just saw that, you know, yesterday I saw a squirrel fall out of a tree.

884
00:36:17.960 --> 00:36:19.960
I thought that was incredibly hilarious.

885
00:36:19.960 --> 00:36:23.960
Especially when the squirrel was okay, then it was even more funny.

886
00:36:23.960 --> 00:36:28.960
But, you know, those kinds of things, are you just, do you see things?

887
00:36:28.960 --> 00:36:30.960
Because 100 people can look at something.

888
00:36:30.960 --> 00:36:33.960
But you look at the exact same thing I would assume.

889
00:36:33.960 --> 00:36:37.960
And you see it just a little different.

890
00:36:37.960 --> 00:36:42.960
Well, my wife's constantly having to hit the back of my head because I'm writing headlines in church, you know.

891
00:36:42.960 --> 00:36:45.960
Like I'm watching what's happening and writing it right and stuff.

892
00:36:45.960 --> 00:36:47.960
That is great.

893
00:36:47.960 --> 00:36:50.960
We're going to a Calvary Java right now, so there's a ton of content.

894
00:36:50.960 --> 00:36:51.960
Great content.

895
00:36:51.960 --> 00:36:52.960
Yeah.

896
00:36:52.960 --> 00:36:53.960
At a Calvary.

897
00:36:53.960 --> 00:36:55.960
A lot of stuff to make fun of.

898
00:36:55.960 --> 00:36:59.960
Yeah, so you have, but I think that's a good habit to cultivate for anybody.

899
00:36:59.960 --> 00:37:02.960
Not for writing during church, but for finding a year or a day.

900
00:37:02.960 --> 00:37:03.960
Finding a year or a day.

901
00:37:03.960 --> 00:37:04.960
Taking notes.

902
00:37:04.960 --> 00:37:05.960
That's what it is, yeah.

903
00:37:05.960 --> 00:37:06.960
Of course you are.

904
00:37:06.960 --> 00:37:07.960
In my own way.

905
00:37:07.960 --> 00:37:08.960
That's right.

906
00:37:08.960 --> 00:37:10.960
Did you see your kids?

907
00:37:10.960 --> 00:37:11.960
Yeah.

908
00:37:11.960 --> 00:37:12.960
Yeah, three boys.

909
00:37:12.960 --> 00:37:13.960
Ages?

910
00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:17.960
Yeah, they're 13, 11, and oh, actually, 12, 1 just turned 12, 13, 12, and 6.

911
00:37:18.960 --> 00:37:20.960
What the older ones anyway?

912
00:37:20.960 --> 00:37:26.960
What becomes of their friends when they say, are they find out my dad writes for the Babylon?

913
00:37:26.960 --> 00:37:27.960
Yeah.

914
00:37:27.960 --> 00:37:31.960
Yeah, my eldest is very embarrassed because he's a shy kid.

915
00:37:31.960 --> 00:37:32.960
Oh.

916
00:37:32.960 --> 00:37:38.960
I go to pick him up at the junior high and all his friends know the Babylon B, and they're like,

917
00:37:38.960 --> 00:37:40.960
I watched your show today.

918
00:37:40.960 --> 00:37:42.960
I watched your podcast, you know.

919
00:37:42.960 --> 00:37:45.960
So they go to a Christian school, so they're all in on it.

920
00:37:45.960 --> 00:37:46.960
My middle son more likes it.

921
00:37:46.960 --> 00:37:47.960
It's his claim to fame.

922
00:37:47.960 --> 00:37:48.960
So there you go.

923
00:37:48.960 --> 00:37:49.960
Yeah.

924
00:37:49.960 --> 00:37:50.960
Isn't that something?

925
00:37:50.960 --> 00:37:51.960
Yeah.

926
00:37:51.960 --> 00:37:52.960
That's awesome.

927
00:37:52.960 --> 00:37:56.960
So you personally, what's been your faith journey with Jesus?

928
00:37:56.960 --> 00:37:58.960
How did this happen to you?

929
00:37:58.960 --> 00:37:59.960
Where did that all begin?

930
00:37:59.960 --> 00:38:00.960
Yeah.

931
00:38:00.960 --> 00:38:10.960
I grew up in a Christian home up here at PFB, you know, in Purpose Church now, for the first 18 years I went there in my life.

932
00:38:11.960 --> 00:38:15.960
And then I got baptized in my freshman year of high school there.

933
00:38:15.960 --> 00:38:19.960
And that was kind of the moment that I had grown up in the church.

934
00:38:19.960 --> 00:38:30.960
And it's so easy in the church to find, to kind of become that self-righteous guy who's, you know, I was the guy with all the Oana trophies and very proud of myself, you know.

935
00:38:30.960 --> 00:38:39.960
And I think that was when I realized, you know, I don't know, a lot of people, a lot of people that come to faith later in life have to repent of all the world in this and move to the church.

936
00:38:39.960 --> 00:38:47.960
I felt like in a lot of ways I had to repent from the idols in the church, you know, to find Christ there, you know.

937
00:38:47.960 --> 00:38:51.960
And so that was, that was kind of the journey where I came to know the Lord.

938
00:38:51.960 --> 00:38:54.960
And then, and then from there was just growth and Bible study.

939
00:38:54.960 --> 00:39:01.960
I had a great youth pastor who taught the word of God very strongly from the pulpit and the youth in the youth center there.

940
00:39:01.960 --> 00:39:04.960
And so I really learned to love the Bible.

941
00:39:04.960 --> 00:39:13.960
And take it seriously in a, like, that was the first time I had heard, like, real hardcore, like, through the books of the Bible, expositional preaching.

942
00:39:13.960 --> 00:39:19.960
Being able to hear, like, like, we're going to preach to the book of Galatians was like this, wow, this is incredible.

943
00:39:19.960 --> 00:39:22.960
You know, and I got to hear that for the first time.

944
00:39:22.960 --> 00:39:25.960
So that, you know, and then I bounced around at various different churches.

945
00:39:25.960 --> 00:39:33.960
Like I said, that gives a lot of material for the Babylon be, you know, doing different church plants and different denominations through the years and it gets you a lot of material.

946
00:39:33.960 --> 00:39:36.960
It's incredible. It's so good.

947
00:39:36.960 --> 00:39:47.960
This is one reporter's opinion is that as I look at what you put out being a pastor in the word, I'm always encouraged by how,

948
00:39:47.960 --> 00:39:57.960
how solid you guys are in your humor. And I don't mean solid, like, not funny.

949
00:39:57.960 --> 00:40:06.960
I mean, solid, funny, where what you're talking about is a biblical issue or truth that has its answer.

950
00:40:06.960 --> 00:40:11.960
And, and we the believers can tell when we're reading it or seeing it.

951
00:40:11.960 --> 00:40:14.960
This guy knows what he's talking about. These guys know.

952
00:40:14.960 --> 00:40:22.960
And, you know, I've never gone on the Babylon be to, you know, Wikipedia you guys are to see what your statement of faith is if it's out there.

953
00:40:22.960 --> 00:40:26.960
It comes across. It's clear. God's using it. It's remarkable.

954
00:40:26.960 --> 00:40:37.960
We love it. In the closing moments, what do you see the future of the Babylon be becoming?

955
00:40:37.960 --> 00:40:42.960
Absolutely. Yeah, we, we've had a lot of irons in the fire for a lot of years.

956
00:40:42.960 --> 00:41:06.960
You know, it's a, it's a small but growing company where we're in this kind of act to, if you will, of the company growth phase now where it's like you're, you're moving from, you know, a couple guys in a garage to, you know, now we have people that are working on, I mean, you wouldn't believe the Babylon be, you know, if I told you that two or three years ago, I was the only employee, you know, and we were,

957
00:41:06.960 --> 00:41:30.960
we were still, you know, we had other writers that were contributing part time or throwing and headlines or whatever, but, but if they're on a given day, we might have published eight articles and I might have pitched written and photoshopped every single one, you know, like that was, and so now we're kind of getting to a more sustainable level where we have photoshoppers that I can go to, we have people that are writing articles that I can go to, I have a great managing editor that can run some of the day today.

958
00:41:30.960 --> 00:41:50.960
So that's kind of the, that's kind of the trajectory is like we're building this out and we've looked at a lot of things like film projects and TV projects, our video content on YouTube has been taken off, being able to turn a lot of the Babylon be style headlines into a, into a full on sketch, you know, three or four minutes of really building out that joke, it's been a lot of fun.

959
00:41:50.960 --> 00:42:14.960
We're looking at what it would mean to do something like Saturday night at night live from the perspective of the Babylon be incredible, you know, ways that we can impact culture, we say that the Babylon be speaks truth to a culture that no longer believes in truth and we're just looking for ways to do that different formats, how do we go where the culture is and bring that message in a way that humor first and then that message comes and punches people right afterwards.

960
00:42:14.960 --> 00:42:38.960
Wow, what you just said is a modern day version of the whole concept of a parable, a parable parabolic teaching is ancient and it is something that theologians understand that it's God that invented parabolic teaching, when we read about the parables in the Bible,

961
00:42:38.960 --> 00:42:49.960
there's, they're not only localized to Jesus, there's parables in the Old Testament, but when Jesus taught a parable, that's what we see often recorded.

962
00:42:49.960 --> 00:43:03.960
What we don't realize is that in the Jewish way of preaching and teaching, the teacher had been teaching for an hour or two, in this case, Rabbi teacher Jesus, and when he delivers the parable,

963
00:43:03.960 --> 00:43:23.960
it is taking the message that he just gave you and they put a bow on it with a memorable, colorful description and so parabolic is parable alongside cast to cast truth alongside your head.

964
00:43:23.960 --> 00:43:45.960
And that's exactly what you guys are doing. You were wrapping up truth to be dropped alongside a head that wouldn't normally even consider it because it's that satire funny, it's extremely effective obviously, which is why you guys are being so attacked because that's evidence of your effectiveness.

965
00:43:45.960 --> 00:43:55.960
And yet at the same time, we don't want you guys to ever get, right? So serious about your success, we want you guys to keep doing what you're doing.

966
00:43:55.960 --> 00:44:02.960
You guys are an incredible form of release for us and we love it and the world loves it.

967
00:44:02.960 --> 00:44:12.960
One of the things that Babylon B's been doing a lot of is books. We have the Sacred Texts of the Babylon B, which is our best of collection that's awesome and beautiful and it looks like a giant Bible on your show.

968
00:44:13.960 --> 00:44:21.960
We have a, we have the Babylon B guide to wokeness where we destroy wokeness and in all of its forms, we have how to be a perfect Christian, where we mock culture, church culture.

969
00:44:21.960 --> 00:44:32.960
And then me and the Immanaging Editor of the Babylon B Joel Berry just have had a novel that's coming out on June 7th, I don't know when this airs, but it's called the postmodern pilgrims progress.

970
00:44:32.960 --> 00:44:39.960
And we take John Bunyan's classic pilgrims progress, put a sci-fi and a humor twist into it.

971
00:44:39.960 --> 00:44:55.960
And we have kind of a guy who's a little bit of an agnostic doesn't really know what's going on and he kind of goes through this journey where he meets God through these encounters of woke people and you know people in the charlatans in the church and this and that.

972
00:44:55.960 --> 00:45:08.960
So we took that structure that Bunyan did so well of, you know, Mr. Worldly Wise Man and all these characters that we all encounter and you'll read the book and look at the people and go, I know that guy at church or I know that guy in the world.

973
00:45:08.960 --> 00:45:13.960
So that's been a lot of fun and the response has been great from people who have taken a look so far.

974
00:45:13.960 --> 00:45:18.960
Fantastic. So sometime around June 7th, is the release?

975
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Is the release going to be available Amazon everywhere?

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Amazon and non-woke places as well.

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Publisher is Salem Books.

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Fantastic.

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Well listen Kyle, keep it up, don't stop, we love you guys and we so appreciate you taking the time to be with us.

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And we actually wanted you to be here just so that we could get near closer to the Babylon B.

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So thank you brother.

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Thanks a lot.

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I appreciate it.

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God bless you.

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