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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. I'm hoping and praying that in

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California we we'd shake it up enough to where we have to call you. I'm hoping

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Kelly we need help. You got to you got to come and help us.

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God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. Hey everybody welcome to the national religious

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broadcasters gathering right here in Dallas, Texas. We've had a great time bringing some remarkable

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guests to all of you here at the Real Life Network and today we have with us a man who I have to

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tell you I get to be bold and I get to be strong on the issues because I know I've got a good brother

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that's got my back and that's Kelly Shackleford and Kelly Shackleford welcome brother. Love you

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in a moment I'm going to get out of the way and let you share with the people about the good news

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that's been going on regarding religious liberty but first liberty is a organization of attorneys

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that defend your constitutional rights to exercise your freedom your religious freedom and if I

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remember right you guys have been I think the most most successful law group of its kind at the

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Supreme Court and so with that Kelly can you just impress the people with hope? Yeah I mean what's

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happened the last gosh I was just looking you know you probably do this too I have a a time with

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the Lord every year or two where I just sit down and I go dreams what are my dreams Lord where should

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I go what and I did this for for first liberty years ago years ago and I went back and looked

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at those a couple of weeks ago and one of the things that said is get a case to the US Supreme Court

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get a case as in solo singular now in the last six years we've had nine and we're nine and zero

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nine and zero yeah and and what happened I just got a people don't understand there's about

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7,000 requests a year for the Supreme Court to take your two here a case they took 58 last year

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a 7,000 59 the year before okay out of 7,000 so if if our goal had been for them to take one of

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our cases that would be a really heavy goal right I mean you're pretty bold they didn't take one

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they didn't take two they didn't take three we won four religious liberty cases at the

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Supreme Court in 13 months that is impossible only God oh my God and I'm telling you there is a

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move of God happening right now I've been doing this for 36 years I'm telling you what is happening

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now I thought impossible every step of it I'm watching we we just overturned a 50 year precedent

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that was used to attack religious freedom our whole lives most people don't understand this

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it was in the coach Kennedy case of course coach the lemon the lemon law or the lemon test and

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and we just overturned a 47 year old precedent regarding religious freedom in the workplace that

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had been used to crush religious freedom gone I mean it's unbelievable what God is doing and it's

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just the beginning it's just the beginning I mean one of the reasons this happened is we we're

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role-involved in judge vetting we have the most extensive judge vetting in the country so key

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please make I know you'll make it clear friends listen listen to what Kelly's about to say because

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this is the answer for so many so much of our nation's woes with with what he's about to say

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pay close attention to this well it started eight years ago we do religious freedom and we were

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preparing for a Hillary Clinton presidency that's right and Trump won and we were like okay well

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expect in that we had a meeting lay everything on the table that we can do for religious freedom under

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this administration and we immediately saw 132 judicial seats lifetime appointments huge that's

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normally that is not what happens and we just felt God pushing us you need to you need to

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research you need to vet you need to get data you need to help yes and we thought you know okay

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let's do it we don't know we've never done this before well here we are eight years later we have

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the most extensive vetting division in the country we have more data on federal judge choices

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than anybody because we've got to know if somebody's going in there for life for life are they

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going to defend religious liberty are they going to defend the constitution yep and if they're

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50 years old which is about the average if you really do the research you can know who they are

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and what they will buy the church and so in the past what's happened is people haven't done the work

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and and we're committed to it because God called us to this and as I mentioned those victories we

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just had that was after the last Trump when he put those people in four or five years later boom boom

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boom you win we've got two more big cases this year they're sitting not ours other people's

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on these issues too I mean if you watch what's happening God is doing something dramatic in the area

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religious freedom and we're just at the beginning of this we're just starting and I couldn't help

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but notice Jack I woke up I was I was looking you know I always look at what the the enemy says so

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of course I looked at the New York Times that's right number one story in the New York Times

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was how religion is growing across the United States really 22 percent Bible increase sales over

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the last year that's right right following that right for the first time in the history of our

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country more young males going to church than females and if you start watching what's going on

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God is doing something he's not just doing it in the religious liberty arena he's doing that

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yes so that it can break out yeah and but we've we've got to do our part I mean take the Kennedy case

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right coach Kennedy wins the lemon test which has been in place for 50 years cited over over

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7000 times by courts to crush religious freedom in public it's why our whole lives we've been told

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you can't have an activity seen on the government long you can't have a menorah at Hanukkah you

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can't have a tin commandments you can't oh there's prayer at school we got to stop that why because

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any of those things are in the constitution no because the lemon test well we just reversed it

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in Kennedy 7000 citations over everywhere across went down it can come back up everywhere a

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tin commandments in the closet you can pull it back out you can have an activity seen on your

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government long all those things are legal now it's up to us on whether we say we're put one up

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exactly we need to exit it's the muscle it's the muscle of the republic to move upon our freedoms

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and to use them and we always complain because we're on defense yes so true okay we've won here

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that's right this is totally we're on offense we can just take a god said I'm gonna give you this

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land if you'll take it I love it so people are who've been tuning in they probably tired of me

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saying this right now but I have to say it again you just described what Paul wrote to the Corinthians

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in 2nd Corinthians 10 verse 6 he said that your obedience in obedience to Christ will be spoken of

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listen to this when your obedient god will punish all disobedience so in other words show up to

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the fight yes just show up god will god will do it just show up you can't win a battle unless

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you show up to the fight amen amen it's so it's amazing what's happening well and here's the thing

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and I I know last time I was with you at that big conference I gave this imagery but I think I

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really think it's appropriate imagery if anybody's watched Lord of the Rings yeah love it they they

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there's a there's a time when everything looks dead and dark and the the vegetation is decaying

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and black and it a drone goes up and it starts moving across the earth and it's it looks hopeless

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and it just seems to move forever and eventually you see in a distance you see a light

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and when you get closer you see it's it's calvary galloping at full speed at the head horse

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it's Gandalf the Christ figure right he's all in white and white horse white white ride with a light

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right on the end of it and everywhere it hits the vegetation it turns to green and I just I

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and I saw that the last time I said this is where we are Christ is on the lead horse yes he's leading

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the light is gonna overtake the darkness and all we're asking to be done is mount up

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amen we don't even have to lead exactly just mount up exactly joint I mean and that's what I'm saying

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if you look at what's happening my whole life I've been doing religious freedom the things

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we're overturning I would have told you ten years ago it's impossible to overturn those in my

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lifetime wow and I'm watching God just come off and so he's opening things up for us but we've

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got to be obedient now that the other side is still hostile they're still packing and they're

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regrouping we we've got I've never had cases like we have we I've got a whole bunch of cases

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that are only pastors and churches being criminally charged for doing what Jesus would want them to do

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that's right feeding people helping a homeless person I've got to go right now a pastor in Ohio

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he's been just been sentenced to 60 days in jail because in Ohio when it's negative 20 windshield

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he opened the doors of his church to people who are freezing on the streets and the problem is

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he's not licensed to be a homeless center he's not licensed to be a homeless center that's right

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and civil charges against him criminal charges against him this has now been going on for for over a

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year what an embarrassment and we we had to go to the court of appeals and get a stay to keep him out

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of jail and the great news again God is always at work in this we feel like we're going to win

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eventually we get out of this little town and get up we went to the to the attorney general

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of the state who we heard was a believer we said would you want to come look at the church

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and what's going on he came down after a visit tears in his eyes he said I'm with you

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he's now filing briefs on our side against this city so we have the attorney general of the state

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of Ohio with us but I'm just telling you I've got pastors who are being criminally charged for

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feeding people for homeless for all of this never seen this before in my life so the the enemy

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is still coming it's amazing you're reminding me of Isaiah chapter 10 verse one it says well

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well unto those who write misfortune for the people and issue ill for laws and that's exactly what

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happened my goodness I thought with that kind of a ridiculous story that you're you you're going to

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say this was in Fresno or this was in Sacramento you're talking Ohio Ohio Brian Ohio and

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we've been in shock I mean at the very beginning before any of this started the pastor went to the

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mayor and said hey how does can we talk about this refuse to talk to him this is how he's been treated

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the whole time I think what's really going on is if this they think if this church leaves the

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downtown that there'll be nobody to care for these people and they'll either die or leave

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and so they're persecuting this guy because they think it'll make their city prettier wow

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when if you look at what's happening in the lives of these people their lives are all being changed

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they're coming to the Lord they're there there's a glow in their face I mean it's incredible

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see what this guy's doing Killy you're just making me I mean I gotta say something about this

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but I have to be careful what I say we're working hard in California you know that there's a

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there's a governor's race that's coming up soon and I've been blessed by the last seven to eight

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months to be involved in the policy making of a man that's going to run for governor and in that

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we have put together a Christ honoring outreach the governor's office Lord willing if he wins

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this governor's office is going to call upon the houses of worship in the state of California

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to assist the state in alleviating the homeless problem he's going to say those that are hooked on

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drugs and crazy a need institutionalization the state will take that that's what you pay taxes for

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we'll do that but we're calling upon the how we have to say houses of worship yeah we know that the

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sadly the synagogues won't show up and the mosques are not going to show up but the church will

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show up to take in those who just want to get a new start want to learn a career want to get out

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of the cold and learn how to weld our her our computer science we are so excited yes but are

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you telling me that it's possible that we could violate some some perception of the law that what

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we're doing is illegal well these low cows want to control their city yeah and they think they have

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power over the church and what we're informing them is you do not have power over the church that's

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right okay number one you don't in a spiritual room you also don't legally we have a first amendment

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we have a constitution which they don't like yeah and you mess with the assembly of God's people

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you're messing with the first amendment and you're violating numerous rights you're violating

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free speech free exercise of religion freedom assembly freedom of worship free I mean just you

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know you're you're hitting a lot of different things and you're running up against a buzzsaw yeah

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so so you know this is a battle but it's a new battle there's no precedent on because we didn't

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used to do this to pastors right we're criminalizing compassion in these cities and so anyway

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and that's just one area of course you know we've got all kinds of stuff breaking out but I want

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people to see the big picture overall though we're moving in the right direction God is doing

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dramatic things with courts and we're going to be working on these next set of 150 160 judges

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that the administration will put on we're going to do everything in our power to make sure that

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they're the best possible people to to represent the constitution religious freedom I mean that's

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what the president would want but he doesn't always get good information that's right we're going to

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make sure that they have all the information to make the best decisions and if we do that I want

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you to think about what this will mean four years from now that'll be about 400 judges he will

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put on the court that's half of all the federal judges and that's for life that's a game change

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we will set the courts for 20 to 25 years and our kids and our grandkids will be blast and

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protected let me ask you this why didn't the previous administration do that 400 they well they

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he did as many as he could do he he did 235 he tried to do as many as trump did but two things about

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what the Biden administration did number one that it was lower court they didn't have three supreme court

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justice they had one they didn't have as many a pellet it was mainly district court but the other

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thing is the way they picked them was really different they the trump judicial nominees were the

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highest qualified just academics and everything else that we had ever seen so very bright in addition to

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being originalist the committee of the constitution and that approach the Biden administration was

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picking based upon identity they were picking not on talent but their first priority was you know

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their color their sexual orientation all these things DEI DEI and so the result is while they had

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as many total number they were lower courts and they weren't as talented as the trump people

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and the time the best arguments win yeah yeah legal reason and so so I think they they missed

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on their opportunity but trump's gonna have this opportunity to have four years separate about four

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years and then another four years and we add all those together that's how you get to the 400 if

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Kelly if the senate holds if the people show up in the midterms that's right and that's why you've

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got two years think of the trump the first time people can complain I wish you to pick the little

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stronger justices or judges or whatever you had a 51 49 senate okay all the while being impeached

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yes and that included rickowski collins flake etc so he he had a limitation well it's now a 53 47

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senate so can he put another justice Thomas on the court yes he can right now and so he's got a

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two-year window and then want to see what happens in the election but you know we feel like our job

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God put us in this job in addition to all the cases it is our job is to stand at the gate and say

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no entry if you're not pro religious freedom if you're not going to defend the first amendment

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and religious liberty then you might run over us somebody might run over us but we're going to

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stand at the gate and and I think this administration wants to do that there are lots of people with

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good intentions they want to push their buddies they want to push their friends there's a lot of

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DC stuff that goes on but you know data is true and the data is the data and that's what we're

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providing we don't have an agenda yeah our agenda is the constitution and religious freedom not a

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person and the good information will help them make the best decisions well Kelly I tell you I

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I'm hoping and praying that in California we we shake it up enough to where we have to call you

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I'm hoping Kelly we need help you got you got to you got to come and help us because we're very

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excited to see in these last several elections if you've looked at that map California is growing

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redder in redder we just want 10 new counties for conservative and religious freedoms and that's

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expanding I often have the joy on Saturdays there's about five of us that get together in a

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Zoom call with the House Speaker Mike and we pray do you like used to be an attorney at first liberty

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now that you say that now that you say that yes I do now thank you yeah so what's what is great is

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that I get to remind him from time to time that he actually has his job because we fired Nancy

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Pelosi but the pathology goes like this Nancy Pelosi lost her job in that election cycle because

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California sent more conservative Republicans to Congress in the near the state so McCarthy got the

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nod right he got the job and then Mike got that of course from McCarthy so that's my that's my

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California card that I get to pull on him which is a lot of fun I have everyone of those seats

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right now yes yes he knows how valuable California yes so we want to send him some more but Kelly

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and rep in this up real quick where do people go to support you to help out to get into this fight

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to show up as you said earlier if it just spell out the words first liberty dot orgy first liberty

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dot org and I would encourage them they can look at the cases and there's all these things on

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what your rights are if they need information but the number one thing I'd ask them to do is there's

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a deal it says be an insider where they can get an email every friday nice and they will take

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the five top religious liberty battles in the country that week and you know if coach Kennedy's

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at the Supreme Court he needs prayer that's right they need to well they're not going to know if

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they don't know he's at the Supreme Court and then number two I want them to be the Paul Revere

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I want them to see the victories because we're winning over 90% of our cases every year if they

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see those victories and they share those with their friends then they're going to know hey I

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don't have to be scared okay I can be bold yeah I mean this is not something to be scared of God

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is winning and winning the cases yeah and so that's the thing I would love for people to do is go

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to first liberty dot org get that email every week so you'll be emboldened yeah and informed

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and be the leader in your community on this yeah and if you ever need help anybody can call

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us we're free well I I want to go out with this just I want to encourage all of you so

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it's been about a year and a half or so ago I I don't remember exactly when but we hosted

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a pastor's gathering in Huntington Beach California and we had various guest speakers and one of

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them was Kelly and I have to tell you the reason why what he gave was so memorable to everyone

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was that we felt like we're up against the ropes and that there's no hope and then Kelly comes

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on to the stage and gives us these incredible decisions that they were they were able to win in

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court and of course including the Supreme Court and you could almost see these pastors they were

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250 pastors and their wives 500 people total where they you could you could feel the blood

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getting back into the head and lungs filling up with hope and he continues to do that so please

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do all that you can to pray and to find out more and maybe play your part your role and help

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and support them fight these battles it's not it's not easy and it's not cheap and I know he's

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not going to ask so I'm going to ask for him so please this is a great cause I love it because

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it's a forward cause it's an advancing it's not just defense it's going forward and we need

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that more than ever if we don't exercise this wonderful republic that we have by exercise

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in our freedoms we're going to lose them oh we almost lost them but God has given us every

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brief so Kelly it's great great always to have you so appreciate you brother for all that you do

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