WEBVTT 1 00:00:02.656 --> 00:00:04.018 a listener production. 2 00:00:05.119 --> 00:00:05.800 I'm Bec Judd. 3 00:00:06.040 --> 00:00:06.982 And I'm Jess Roberts. 4 00:00:07.202 --> 00:00:09.104 And we're done with the smoke and mirrors. 5 00:00:09.405 --> 00:00:15.553 Fainish shares honest stories about what it takes to look amazing because we did not wake up like this. 6 00:00:15.773 --> 00:00:20.780 And you should know the stuff that we chat about on this podcast is based on our personal experiences. 7 00:00:21.140 --> 00:00:23.062 We're sharing it for your entertainment. 8 00:00:23.222 --> 00:00:25.885 It's definitely not medical advice. 9 00:00:26.085 --> 00:00:29.329 And we'll always be clear with you when something is a paid endorsement. 10 00:00:29.529 --> 00:00:34.535 Please always chat with your qualified healthcare team before making any decisions about your health. 11 00:00:50.355 --> 00:00:52.677 Hi everyone, welcome to Veinish. 12 00:00:52.777 --> 00:00:53.518 I'm Bec Ja. 13 00:00:53.578 --> 00:00:54.419 And I'm Jess Roberts. 14 00:00:54.579 --> 00:00:58.323 Now we have a very, very special guest today. 15 00:00:58.343 --> 00:01:04.008 Jess, can you tell us three things about our guest that no one else would know? 16 00:01:04.028 --> 00:01:05.630 Oh, I can. 17 00:01:06.090 --> 00:01:07.251 So first one is... 18 00:01:07.952 --> 00:01:11.674 He can speak Spanish, French, and read Japanese. 19 00:01:11.994 --> 00:01:12.594 Oh, wow. 20 00:01:12.614 --> 00:01:13.054 Clever. 21 00:01:13.174 --> 00:01:13.675 Clever. 22 00:01:14.075 --> 00:01:18.737 He also won six state titles in sailing, but he gets motion sickness. 23 00:01:19.097 --> 00:01:19.317 What? 24 00:01:19.758 --> 00:01:20.238 I know. 25 00:01:21.338 --> 00:01:24.040 And this is a bit awkward, but I've slept with him. 26 00:01:24.300 --> 00:01:24.920 No way. 27 00:01:24.960 --> 00:01:26.501 Yeah, I've slept with him. 28 00:01:26.521 --> 00:01:30.763 That's got to be Val Roberts. 29 00:01:30.843 --> 00:01:33.084 Dr. Valance Roberts. 30 00:01:33.244 --> 00:01:34.805 Let's get my husband in. 31 00:01:36.703 --> 00:01:41.404 Okay, guys, so Jess is in here doing her hair, fixing her horns for her husband. 32 00:01:42.324 --> 00:01:43.524 And then we're like, let's be honest. 33 00:01:43.544 --> 00:01:44.365 She's doing it for me. 34 00:01:44.405 --> 00:01:45.065 I'm doing it for you. 35 00:01:45.125 --> 00:01:46.605 I'm like, Val, you know the pecking order. 36 00:01:47.085 --> 00:01:47.785 I'm right here. 37 00:01:47.845 --> 00:01:49.026 I can hear you. 38 00:01:49.186 --> 00:01:53.587 It goes, Beck, kids, then Val. 39 00:01:55.407 --> 00:01:59.648 One time I actually said to Val, I'm like, Val, do you resent me? 40 00:02:01.599 --> 00:02:02.639 He's like, no, I love you. 41 00:02:02.860 --> 00:02:03.440 No, no. 42 00:02:03.520 --> 00:02:05.280 And deep down, he's like, yes. 43 00:02:06.201 --> 00:02:07.001 No, no, no, no. 44 00:02:07.021 --> 00:02:09.702 There's envy on the commitment and what you do for Bec. 45 00:02:09.722 --> 00:02:10.382 There's envy there. 46 00:02:10.422 --> 00:02:11.843 But I know I love and respect Bec. 47 00:02:11.863 --> 00:02:12.323 She's great. 48 00:02:12.703 --> 00:02:13.543 She's got my back. 49 00:02:13.623 --> 00:02:14.303 We always. 50 00:02:14.344 --> 00:02:15.424 And we love and respect you. 51 00:02:15.564 --> 00:02:17.605 And hello, welcome to Vayneesh. 52 00:02:17.685 --> 00:02:22.726 Val, I love you are the ultimate hype boy for our podcast. 53 00:02:22.826 --> 00:02:23.767 Is, definitely. 54 00:02:23.827 --> 00:02:26.808 I reckon he listens to it like over and over again, getting our numbers up. 55 00:02:27.048 --> 00:02:27.148 Yes. 56 00:02:28.751 --> 00:02:37.973 And I remember when we were launching, we were all in Broome together, and he was walking around Broome like high-fiving strangers and locals and saying, Vanish podcast, launch it tomorrow, make sure you listen to it. 57 00:02:38.533 --> 00:02:42.594 And always the first person to like and comment on all the social media posts. 58 00:02:42.654 --> 00:02:43.854 Love this episode, girls. 59 00:02:43.874 --> 00:02:45.434 Great hearing from this. 60 00:02:45.474 --> 00:02:47.235 You're like just like, hi, boys. 61 00:02:47.275 --> 00:02:50.675 So thank you for getting our engagement and our listens up. 62 00:02:50.815 --> 00:02:51.976 Yeah, you've been a big part of it. 63 00:02:52.096 --> 00:02:53.296 Imagine if we gave him pamphlets. 64 00:02:54.938 --> 00:02:55.860 I get excited. 65 00:02:55.900 --> 00:02:59.207 Every Wednesday morning on the way to Pilates, I'm like, Vayne has just been released. 66 00:02:59.227 --> 00:03:00.069 I've got the new podcast. 67 00:03:00.089 --> 00:03:00.349 Here we go. 68 00:03:00.369 --> 00:03:01.672 Do you and Jenny just like debrief? 69 00:03:01.692 --> 00:03:01.752 No. 70 00:03:02.395 --> 00:03:02.955 We don't have time. 71 00:03:02.975 --> 00:03:04.495 When we go to Pilates, it is focused. 72 00:03:04.655 --> 00:03:04.955 Oh, yeah. 73 00:03:05.055 --> 00:03:05.616 It's meditation time. 74 00:03:05.636 --> 00:03:06.756 He's focused on your muscles. 75 00:03:06.996 --> 00:03:07.436 Yeah. 76 00:03:07.456 --> 00:03:07.636 Yeah. 77 00:03:07.656 --> 00:03:10.636 Speaking of, the muscles are muscling, Val. 78 00:03:10.656 --> 00:03:11.077 I know. 79 00:03:11.297 --> 00:03:13.277 Actually, even Juddy, they're all muscling. 80 00:03:13.297 --> 00:03:14.137 He's always been muscling. 81 00:03:14.157 --> 00:03:14.877 Yeah, but he's extra muscling. 82 00:03:14.897 --> 00:03:15.637 No, no, but he's bulky now. 83 00:03:15.657 --> 00:03:16.697 Like, he's strong. 84 00:03:17.018 --> 00:03:17.678 I know, right? 85 00:03:17.878 --> 00:03:18.078 Yeah. 86 00:03:18.098 --> 00:03:18.938 He's the heaviest I've seen. 87 00:03:18.958 --> 00:03:23.859 He's looking, and I'm like, I always thought, oh, I'm going to catch up to Juddy with all my Pilates, and he turns up, and I'm like, oh. 88 00:03:24.239 --> 00:03:24.799 Yeah, the Hulk. 89 00:03:24.879 --> 00:03:25.399 Maybe I won't. 90 00:03:25.619 --> 00:03:26.919 The Hulk. 91 00:03:27.359 --> 00:03:30.420 So, we're getting you in today to talk veneers 92 00:03:31.660 --> 00:03:37.702 One of our most asked questions is all about cosmetic dentistry, veneers, and things like whitening. 93 00:03:38.342 --> 00:03:45.704 And we thought, who better to come in than you, because you are the absolute expert on all things teeth. 94 00:03:46.125 --> 00:03:47.225 Tell us about your qualifications. 95 00:03:47.914 --> 00:03:54.879 Well, it's a funny little journey for me because I was at Melbourne High and my career as advisor said, Val, dentistry is out of your reach. 96 00:03:54.919 --> 00:03:57.321 Why don't you go for something like a trade at RMIT? 97 00:03:57.982 --> 00:04:02.025 Anyway, long story short, I ended up finishing with first class honours at Melbourne University. 98 00:04:02.205 --> 00:04:02.986 How did you do that? 99 00:04:03.046 --> 00:04:10.752 How did you go from being told that you couldn't actually go to university to having first class honours at Melbourne University? 100 00:04:11.012 --> 00:04:13.094 Yeah, I was a naughty little boy. 101 00:04:13.114 --> 00:04:14.735 You're still naughty at uni. 102 00:04:14.795 --> 00:04:16.036 You're still naughty now. 103 00:04:16.436 --> 00:04:17.176 You're so naughty. 104 00:04:17.217 --> 00:04:20.839 But the difference is like when I got into dentistry, I mean, my dad's a dentist. 105 00:04:20.859 --> 00:04:23.301 The passion's always been there, but it's just getting in. 106 00:04:23.401 --> 00:04:24.702 Once I was in, I loved it. 107 00:04:25.142 --> 00:04:26.743 I would sit at the front of every class. 108 00:04:26.923 --> 00:04:31.487 I would debate topics with the lecturers because if I didn't agree with it, it had to make sense to me. 109 00:04:31.627 --> 00:04:31.687 Mm. 110 00:04:32.187 --> 00:04:43.480 There was a few really good teachers there that had my back that said, look, dentistry needs personalities like you as opposed to just book smart and people with a bit of empathy and, you know, love for other human beings. 111 00:04:43.500 --> 00:04:49.167 You've got good AI and you're a deep feeler and thinker and that resonates. 112 00:04:49.447 --> 00:04:56.712 And I think what shines through with you is you genuinely get excited about flossing and brushing teeth. 113 00:04:56.752 --> 00:04:57.692 Like, it's not fake. 114 00:04:57.712 --> 00:04:59.834 Like, what is going on? 115 00:04:59.854 --> 00:05:01.635 You genuinely love it? 116 00:05:01.795 --> 00:05:04.997 The big thing for me was, I mean, my dad's a dentist. 117 00:05:05.097 --> 00:05:06.338 I've worked with him for 20 years. 118 00:05:06.378 --> 00:05:09.180 And I learned more working with my dad than I ever did at university. 119 00:05:10.121 --> 00:05:11.182 But my mum's a naturopath. 120 00:05:11.782 --> 00:05:15.666 So for me, my perspective on treating patients really is holistic. 121 00:05:16.286 --> 00:05:18.789 I love natural approaches to helping patients. 122 00:05:19.169 --> 00:05:23.092 We really look at the whole patient, like how does this affect the whole body? 123 00:05:23.873 --> 00:05:27.196 The eyes are the portal to the soul and the mouth is a portal to your health. 124 00:05:27.597 --> 00:05:28.377 That's how we see it. 125 00:05:28.437 --> 00:05:28.678 Yeah. 126 00:05:29.278 --> 00:05:32.319 When we treat a patient, we really want the best outcome for them. 127 00:05:32.619 --> 00:05:38.581 And I think one of the things that got me really involved in the cosmetic industry was it's beautiful doing great veneers. 128 00:05:38.661 --> 00:05:41.321 Like I love changing smiles and lives and confidence. 129 00:05:41.361 --> 00:05:42.682 It's an important part of the job. 130 00:05:43.522 --> 00:05:53.265 But the industry went rogue and you had these businesses that were just jamming veneers down people's throats and other treatments. 131 00:05:53.285 --> 00:05:54.105 Like, you know, there's, 132 00:05:54.425 --> 00:05:58.367 There's implant retained dentures where you remove your teeth and you replace them with a prosthesis. 133 00:05:59.287 --> 00:06:00.988 These are really aggressive approaches. 134 00:06:02.069 --> 00:06:10.273 My dad's always taught me when you're treating a patient, what are the least amount of steps you can do to get the optimal result? 135 00:06:11.053 --> 00:06:16.976 What's the least impact you can do on this patient financially and biologically to get them the ultimate result? 136 00:06:17.376 --> 00:06:18.917 So that's our philosophy with treatment. 137 00:06:19.057 --> 00:06:20.278 And my issue... 138 00:06:20.828 --> 00:06:28.413 was that these cosmetic businesses were really just really pushing veneers as an option on really young people. 139 00:06:29.053 --> 00:06:32.256 And there are some really, you know, significant consequences. 140 00:06:32.296 --> 00:06:39.180 Now, if you know those consequences and you're adult enough to make the decision, go, no, that's what I want to do, that's fine. 141 00:06:39.700 --> 00:06:46.405 But my opinion was that a lot of these businesses were really saying, this is the best one, you really should do this and quite pushy. 142 00:06:46.905 --> 00:06:52.489 And we've had enough, you know, regret stories coming into my business, fixing up jobs that weren't done very well. 143 00:06:52.710 --> 00:06:59.995 And now these patients are left with these long-term disasters that they have to manage expensively and emotionally for the rest of their lives. 144 00:07:00.015 --> 00:07:00.135 Yeah. 145 00:07:00.455 --> 00:07:07.881 Your approach is the opposite to so many other businesses where they're pro-intervention and to try and upsell, upsell, upsell. 146 00:07:07.901 --> 00:07:10.143 So at the end of the day, you're charging more. 147 00:07:10.163 --> 00:07:10.383 Yeah. 148 00:07:10.623 --> 00:07:11.725 He's like the hippie dentist. 149 00:07:11.925 --> 00:07:12.205 Yeah. 150 00:07:12.566 --> 00:07:12.886 It is. 151 00:07:12.947 --> 00:07:13.107 It is. 152 00:07:13.247 --> 00:07:16.772 I have, you know, I have to disclose, I have got crystals in my room. 153 00:07:16.812 --> 00:07:17.754 He does. 154 00:07:17.794 --> 00:07:20.297 Janelle Green, my kinesiologist, she's put me onto that. 155 00:07:20.698 --> 00:07:26.126 Look, the thing is, there's a lot of money to be made with veneers and these more expensive treatment plans. 156 00:07:27.227 --> 00:07:29.028 The appeal is really there for dentists. 157 00:07:29.309 --> 00:07:32.311 In my dad's era, there was no marketing. 158 00:07:32.331 --> 00:07:33.692 You couldn't advertise for dentistry. 159 00:07:33.872 --> 00:07:38.855 And then I remember soon after I graduated, you were allowed to market and you were allowed to advertise. 160 00:07:39.335 --> 00:07:44.719 And then it became a money-making industry as opposed to a health and professional industry. 161 00:07:44.799 --> 00:07:46.700 And it's a shame in many ways. 162 00:07:47.181 --> 00:07:52.885 In some ways, it's good because we've got really amazing advanced techniques because people are investing the money in the development and research. 163 00:07:53.565 --> 00:07:57.929 But in other ways, it's made people go, look, I'll be a dentist because I can make lots of money. 164 00:07:58.169 --> 00:07:58.589 Yeah. 165 00:07:58.609 --> 00:08:05.395 And when that's your motivation instead of what's the best thing for this patient, then you get not ideal outcomes for them. 166 00:08:05.515 --> 00:08:09.799 That's why it's good I'm not a dentist because I would have been like, how much money can I make here? 167 00:08:10.039 --> 00:08:10.720 You get finis. 168 00:08:10.740 --> 00:08:11.280 Finis for you. 169 00:08:11.300 --> 00:08:11.660 Finis for you. 170 00:08:11.680 --> 00:08:12.421 Can you imagine me? 171 00:08:12.481 --> 00:08:14.383 I'm at home and I'm like, babe, just finis them all. 172 00:08:14.423 --> 00:08:15.063 And he's like, no. 173 00:08:15.223 --> 00:08:15.844 Yeah, you're like – 174 00:08:16.204 --> 00:08:18.246 I want to buy a facelift and a G-wagon. 175 00:08:18.266 --> 00:08:19.487 Yeah, and a G-wagon. 176 00:08:19.987 --> 00:08:21.028 You need more veneers. 177 00:08:21.048 --> 00:08:22.089 So let's take it back. 178 00:08:22.449 --> 00:08:23.910 Tell us, what are veneers? 179 00:08:24.311 --> 00:08:29.675 Okay, so veneers, same as this wood on this desk, you know, a veneer is a covering over a surface. 180 00:08:30.055 --> 00:08:34.179 So typically when we look at veneers in dentistry, we have two main types. 181 00:08:34.199 --> 00:08:38.602 You've got porcelain veneers, which are the ones that you'll see mostly on your movie stars. 182 00:08:38.662 --> 00:08:39.903 It's an expensive option. 183 00:08:40.423 --> 00:08:41.965 It's a harder material. 184 00:08:42.005 --> 00:08:44.387 There's different types of porcelain, but essentially... 185 00:08:45.007 --> 00:08:47.008 For most of them, you prepare the tooth. 186 00:08:47.028 --> 00:08:50.771 You have to cut it back and create enough space to replace it with porcelain. 187 00:08:50.911 --> 00:08:54.733 So these are those little pegs that you see before they put the veneers on. 188 00:08:54.773 --> 00:08:56.474 They look like a vampire little teeth. 189 00:08:57.315 --> 00:08:58.576 And then you pop the veneer on. 190 00:08:58.716 --> 00:08:59.636 Yes, you're right. 191 00:08:59.737 --> 00:09:00.937 That is it for veneers. 192 00:09:01.077 --> 00:09:02.438 And this is another thing in the industry. 193 00:09:02.458 --> 00:09:03.479 There's a big thing... 194 00:09:04.434 --> 00:09:06.195 of what it takes to get porcelain veneers. 195 00:09:06.235 --> 00:09:09.177 And we'll have to move back to resin veneers after this as well. 196 00:09:09.197 --> 00:09:14.080 But if we're talking about this, porcelain veneers are the ones that you cut the teeth back typically. 197 00:09:14.561 --> 00:09:17.843 There are some new techniques now that we'll touch on where you don't have to cut the teeth. 198 00:09:18.563 --> 00:09:20.004 But typically you cut the teeth back. 199 00:09:20.024 --> 00:09:28.050 Now, if you go to a dentist who does not care about you as a human being and they're just like, I just want easy money here, they will cut them back like those teeth that you saw, those teeth. 200 00:09:28.650 --> 00:09:31.751 If you Google it, teeth before veneers go on. 201 00:09:31.911 --> 00:09:33.612 They look like little sharky teeth. 202 00:09:33.632 --> 00:09:34.372 Yes, they do. 203 00:09:34.412 --> 00:09:35.632 It's actually quite shocking. 204 00:09:36.092 --> 00:09:39.333 So what happens then is you create enough space for the restoration. 205 00:09:39.413 --> 00:09:41.554 When you cut it back, you're creating restorative space. 206 00:09:42.114 --> 00:09:48.396 So if you cut back a lot of space, it's quite easy for the laboratory just to make a really nice porcelain veneer. 207 00:09:48.676 --> 00:09:51.177 It's easy to put the colour and textures and it looks pretty. 208 00:09:51.737 --> 00:09:53.418 But the tooth's cooked underneath there. 209 00:09:53.918 --> 00:10:03.223 So if you go to a, let's just refer to it as a nasty place, they'll just cut it back, hack it back, and then they'll place a veneer over the top of it, and good luck to you, you know. 210 00:10:03.503 --> 00:10:09.686 Especially if you're traveling somewhere, let's just call it not close to home, you know, and there's not a relationship with that dentist. 211 00:10:09.706 --> 00:10:15.508 They're like, there's not a lot of upside for that practice to say, you know, this is a patient that's part of my community. 212 00:10:16.009 --> 00:10:19.190 I really need to look after them and respect their health and biology. 213 00:10:19.470 --> 00:10:21.471 They just cut it back and then say, good luck with you. 214 00:10:21.511 --> 00:10:22.712 You might look okay when you leave. 215 00:10:23.152 --> 00:10:29.794 But there's so many things wrong underneath that veneer that will probably cause issues later on and not make the veneer last as long. 216 00:10:29.914 --> 00:10:30.215 Yeah. 217 00:10:30.375 --> 00:10:31.195 So, yes, you're right. 218 00:10:31.215 --> 00:10:32.155 That's those ones. 219 00:10:32.275 --> 00:10:34.156 So, what is veneers made out of? 220 00:10:34.396 --> 00:10:38.698 If we're talking about porcelain veneers, the main product used these days is lithium disilicate. 221 00:10:38.718 --> 00:10:39.518 And what was resin? 222 00:10:39.858 --> 00:10:41.819 So resin is basically a plastic. 223 00:10:41.939 --> 00:10:45.000 It's the same kind of feeling that you have for your white fillings. 224 00:10:45.580 --> 00:10:55.143 But when we're doing them for veneers, we use a slightly different makeup, which makes it polish really, really nicely and adds some nice visual characteristics to it. 225 00:10:55.683 --> 00:10:59.984 So resin is something that I think is underutilized when it comes to veneers. 226 00:11:00.264 --> 00:11:04.848 Resin veneers is an undertreated approach for when changing smiles. 227 00:11:05.348 --> 00:11:09.412 So if you go straight to porcelain, traditionally we have to cut back space for the restoration. 228 00:11:10.093 --> 00:11:14.897 Typically when we use resin veneers, we don't have to cut space for the restoration. 229 00:11:15.397 --> 00:11:18.580 We usually add on to the tooth and that's it. 230 00:11:18.640 --> 00:11:27.908 So you're replacing parts of the tooth that have been ground down or been lost to decay or trauma and you can change the shape and color of the teeth by adding it all over the top. 231 00:11:28.146 --> 00:11:29.287 So this isn't done in a lab then. 232 00:11:29.307 --> 00:11:32.371 This is you hand doing it like couture style on the tooth. 233 00:11:32.391 --> 00:11:32.731 Spot on. 234 00:11:32.831 --> 00:11:39.399 Look, you can have them made in the laboratory, which costs less because it's a more economical option than porcelain. 235 00:11:39.919 --> 00:11:43.163 But typically, we are hand making them in the mouth as we go along. 236 00:11:43.323 --> 00:11:48.249 So this would be, I'm thinking, a better option because you're not cutting back the tooth underneath. 237 00:11:48.370 --> 00:11:52.255 So I've had a patient, I can't mention names, but yeah, quite famous. 238 00:11:52.315 --> 00:11:55.659 And she's come in and she said, look, Val, I want you to do my veneers for me. 239 00:11:55.719 --> 00:11:57.702 And I'm like, you have got a beautiful smile. 240 00:11:58.503 --> 00:12:01.046 I can't cut your teeth back and do them. 241 00:12:01.985 --> 00:12:04.747 And she's like, oh, look, well, I've got this little chip here. 242 00:12:04.767 --> 00:12:07.448 And I'm like, I can fix that in like right now. 243 00:12:07.468 --> 00:12:11.631 And she's like, yeah, but it might chip again. 244 00:12:11.691 --> 00:12:12.611 I'm like, it can. 245 00:12:12.911 --> 00:12:16.133 But look, okay, porcelain is stronger. 246 00:12:16.594 --> 00:12:17.134 Okay. 247 00:12:17.874 --> 00:12:20.276 So the good thing with porcelain is it's very strong. 248 00:12:20.636 --> 00:12:23.598 We can create these layering characteristics in it that make it look 249 00:12:24.318 --> 00:12:26.960 perfectly like natural teeth and it doesn't stain. 250 00:12:27.480 --> 00:12:30.242 And it's made out of a material that's stronger than your enamel. 251 00:12:30.662 --> 00:12:33.744 So if you're functioning normally with them, they won't chip. 252 00:12:34.064 --> 00:12:35.285 They're going to last a long time. 253 00:12:35.745 --> 00:12:45.091 Whereas resin is made out of a material which is softer than your normal teeth structure, which means it can chip more easily, it can stain, and it won't last as long as porcelain. 254 00:12:45.611 --> 00:12:48.153 The nice thing with resin, you chip it, we can fix it. 255 00:12:48.193 --> 00:12:49.153 We can just add on to it. 256 00:12:49.253 --> 00:12:51.735 You chip porcelain, you have to change the whole veneer. 257 00:12:52.175 --> 00:12:58.158 So you might be spending over $2,000 on that one veneer on the tooth, depending on what clinic you go to. 258 00:12:58.178 --> 00:13:01.740 So how much is a ballpark a set of porcelain veneers? 259 00:13:01.860 --> 00:13:09.664 Look, this is a great question because if you go to one of those places where they're just going to hack down your teeth, you might pay $1,000 for a veneer. 260 00:13:09.804 --> 00:13:10.344 Per tooth. 261 00:13:10.404 --> 00:13:10.984 Per tooth. 262 00:13:11.324 --> 00:13:18.648 But they're unlikely to be done by a highly skilled dentist who's passionate about it and wants to get the right result for that as a human being. 263 00:13:18.808 --> 00:13:23.676 So a really good dentist, top of the pops dentist, who's doing a porcelain veneer, how much per tooth? 264 00:13:24.017 --> 00:13:30.107 Oh, you could pay... Look, I've seen some ridiculous fees for people who are restricted to, you know, celebrities only. 265 00:13:30.127 --> 00:13:31.269 They might pay over $3,000 a veneer. 266 00:13:32.420 --> 00:13:34.401 And how many teeth do we have, dentists, usually? 267 00:13:34.701 --> 00:13:39.502 Typically, you'll see veneers five to five, so 10 on the top teeth, sometimes 12. 268 00:13:39.903 --> 00:13:44.404 If you've got a really broad smile, you might go back to the molar tooth because people don't think it matters. 269 00:13:44.624 --> 00:13:47.365 You know, often people think, I'm just going to get veneers on my front six teeth. 270 00:13:47.405 --> 00:13:48.966 Yeah, but you see when you smile. 271 00:13:49.006 --> 00:13:49.606 That's not true. 272 00:13:49.726 --> 00:13:53.587 One of the beautiful things with veneers is that you change the whole smile. 273 00:13:53.827 --> 00:14:00.470 So veneers are great for people who want to change the shape, size, and color of their teeth. 274 00:14:01.190 --> 00:14:06.272 Like if you've got small teeth and you just need to add on to them, veneers are amazing. 275 00:14:06.592 --> 00:14:09.254 You don't have to cut them back to create restorative space. 276 00:14:09.314 --> 00:14:10.094 Okay. 277 00:14:10.154 --> 00:14:11.435 So they're a good candidate. 278 00:14:11.455 --> 00:14:12.655 They are amazing candidates. 279 00:14:12.675 --> 00:14:13.635 Who else is a good candidate? 280 00:14:13.655 --> 00:14:14.076 Don't get me wrong. 281 00:14:14.096 --> 00:14:16.537 I get really excited about doing a beautiful set of veneers. 282 00:14:16.557 --> 00:14:16.697 Mm-hmm. 283 00:14:17.297 --> 00:14:21.438 but I like to do it in a way that has the least impact on the patient's biology. 284 00:14:21.478 --> 00:14:29.419 Yeah, because I feel like what you were touching on before is, especially with social media, you see all these people with these new teeth and it's been so heavily marketed. 285 00:14:29.759 --> 00:14:33.260 Everyone just thinks to get that perfect smile, you just go and get your porcelain veneers. 286 00:14:33.320 --> 00:14:35.260 And it's all this marketing, marketing, marketing. 287 00:14:35.300 --> 00:14:41.201 People don't actually know that there are other options out there and you don't have to go and shave all of your teeth back. 288 00:14:41.301 --> 00:14:44.642 Yeah, and I think it's also like with composite veneers, which is what I've got, 289 00:14:45.162 --> 00:14:45.782 It's a skill. 290 00:14:46.683 --> 00:14:52.765 Like you have to, you know, have the patience, the time, and just know how to make a tooth look real. 291 00:14:53.086 --> 00:14:56.287 A lot of dentists don't want to do that because it's like, oh, that's going to take a lot of time. 292 00:14:56.807 --> 00:15:03.130 It's very skillful, very like, you know, you're working in such a small space and you don't make a lot of money doing it that way. 293 00:15:03.150 --> 00:15:04.270 Compared to a porcelain veneer. 294 00:15:04.290 --> 00:15:04.691 Porcelain veneer. 295 00:15:04.711 --> 00:15:12.174 Which, based on if you had, if you did 10 teeth at 3,000, a pop, top and bottom, 60K for a set of veneers. 296 00:15:12.254 --> 00:15:12.494 Yeah. 297 00:15:12.734 --> 00:15:13.735 Wow. 298 00:15:13.755 --> 00:15:17.398 And you know, all these influences as well, like they will get it done. 299 00:15:17.558 --> 00:15:18.459 They won't have to pay. 300 00:15:18.959 --> 00:15:20.701 But then in 10 years, it's like a boob job. 301 00:15:21.241 --> 00:15:22.562 Sometimes you have to get it redone, right? 302 00:15:22.602 --> 00:15:23.083 That's right. 303 00:15:23.143 --> 00:15:25.365 And that's when you are talking about longevity of veneers. 304 00:15:26.407 --> 00:15:32.389 The best way to keep your porcelain veneers lasting a long way is not to cut the tooth down much. 305 00:15:32.609 --> 00:15:34.770 The outside layer of your tooth has got enamel. 306 00:15:35.310 --> 00:15:43.273 If you glue to enamel, that porcelain is like 100 times stronger and it sticks so much better and it actually makes the porcelain stronger. 307 00:15:43.313 --> 00:15:44.113 It strengthens it. 308 00:15:44.793 --> 00:15:46.214 If you cut through that, 309 00:15:47.127 --> 00:15:49.928 you're gluing to dentine, which is the inside layer of your tooth. 310 00:15:50.348 --> 00:16:02.391 That has got much less mineral content in it, more protein, which means it flexes, it weakens, it doesn't make the veneer stronger and it won't stick as well and it will get more staining around it. 311 00:16:02.971 --> 00:16:09.933 So when you've got someone who comes in and they cut all the way through the enamel, which gives you those little peg teeth, that veneer is not going to last as long. 312 00:16:10.253 --> 00:16:10.653 Yeah. 313 00:16:10.733 --> 00:16:10.914 Right? 314 00:16:10.934 --> 00:16:12.094 And it's going to have to get replaced. 315 00:16:12.754 --> 00:16:19.582 If we do really cool dentistry, I mean, the stuff that's out at the moment, especially with digital dentistry and digital design, it's incredible. 316 00:16:20.142 --> 00:16:25.428 There's new veneers that we can make now that are 0.3 of a mil thick all the way through. 317 00:16:25.448 --> 00:16:26.369 Wow. 318 00:16:26.570 --> 00:16:32.776 And that's one of those things that takes skill to be able to create that 0.3 mil space all the way through that environment. 319 00:16:33.485 --> 00:16:45.909 So do you have a program where you can come in as a patient and you can kind of get a photo of them and then change their teeth and they can work out how it's going to look and then you order that particular veneer from the lab? 320 00:16:46.189 --> 00:16:46.429 Yes. 321 00:16:46.769 --> 00:16:54.312 So what we typically do is we'll do – well, you take a photo of the patient and then you would design it 2D and then show them a photo. 322 00:16:54.332 --> 00:16:55.232 That's what it would look like. 323 00:16:55.652 --> 00:16:57.813 And you'll pick your tooth shape perfectly. 324 00:16:58.033 --> 00:17:00.895 based on a catalogue of tree shapes. 325 00:17:01.155 --> 00:17:01.715 Yeah. 326 00:17:01.735 --> 00:17:04.938 So when we look at shape of teeth, it's not everyone should have the same shape. 327 00:17:05.078 --> 00:17:09.180 And that's really bad when you see patients coming out with a bunch of these veneers. 328 00:17:09.220 --> 00:17:10.961 I'm like, that is not the shape they should have had. 329 00:17:11.141 --> 00:17:13.823 Oh, man, I've seen some bad ones. 330 00:17:13.863 --> 00:17:14.524 Same ones. 331 00:17:14.744 --> 00:17:15.384 Some bad. 332 00:17:15.484 --> 00:17:16.145 And they've kept them. 333 00:17:16.405 --> 00:17:16.545 Yes. 334 00:17:16.565 --> 00:17:18.646 And it's like, you need to swap those over. 335 00:17:18.686 --> 00:17:19.727 Why has nobody told you? 336 00:17:19.987 --> 00:17:20.667 I think they have. 337 00:17:21.208 --> 00:17:21.408 Yeah. 338 00:17:21.748 --> 00:17:24.449 So the biggest mistake dentists make in terms… Horse teeth. 339 00:17:24.629 --> 00:17:25.729 They make them look like horse teeth. 340 00:17:25.749 --> 00:17:26.009 Spot on. 341 00:17:26.109 --> 00:17:27.049 Or like Tic Tacs. 342 00:17:27.069 --> 00:17:27.690 Exactly right. 343 00:17:27.710 --> 00:17:28.470 What was that movie? 344 00:17:28.830 --> 00:17:29.510 Expect a Gadget. 345 00:17:29.570 --> 00:17:30.250 Or Dumb and Dumber. 346 00:17:30.830 --> 00:17:31.270 The mask. 347 00:17:31.651 --> 00:17:33.031 You know the mask where he's got those big square teeth? 348 00:17:33.051 --> 00:17:33.611 Yes, yes, yes. 349 00:17:33.631 --> 00:17:34.071 The mask. 350 00:17:34.291 --> 00:17:35.071 All right. 351 00:17:35.171 --> 00:17:37.172 So there's always trends in cosmetic dentistry. 352 00:17:37.692 --> 00:17:40.933 And one of the trends that came out was to have the… 353 00:17:41.980 --> 00:17:46.243 side teeth, so not your front tooth teeth, but the side tooth teeth, the same length as your middle teeth. 354 00:17:47.123 --> 00:17:47.704 Oh, yes. 355 00:17:47.744 --> 00:17:48.004 Right? 356 00:17:48.044 --> 00:17:51.266 So that's that tic-tac picket fence look that I hate. 357 00:17:51.746 --> 00:17:52.006 Same. 358 00:17:52.166 --> 00:17:54.448 And my sister Michelle hates them as well. 359 00:17:54.608 --> 00:17:56.569 And, like, we love doing cosmetic dentistry together. 360 00:17:56.929 --> 00:18:02.132 And when patients walk in with those, patients will actively come in and say, like, oh, I want these all the same length. 361 00:18:02.633 --> 00:18:05.074 And we're like, oh, look, that's going to be a mistake. 362 00:18:05.094 --> 00:18:08.496 And what we typically do is we'll get up a little catalogue of famous smiles. 363 00:18:08.877 --> 00:18:10.918 And if you look at just about any… 364 00:18:12.137 --> 00:18:15.438 real superstar model, none of them have those teeth. 365 00:18:15.818 --> 00:18:15.958 Right. 366 00:18:15.978 --> 00:18:16.659 Not one of them. 367 00:18:16.919 --> 00:18:22.641 Like you look at a beautiful smile, always you'll have your front two teeth longer than the two side teeth. 368 00:18:22.761 --> 00:18:23.201 Okay. 369 00:18:23.221 --> 00:18:24.802 When they go that picket fence look. 370 00:18:24.822 --> 00:18:25.262 Yeah, not good. 371 00:18:25.362 --> 00:18:26.262 It doesn't look good. 372 00:18:26.282 --> 00:18:27.042 It just looks fake. 373 00:18:27.203 --> 00:18:28.383 Yeah, it looks fake, you know. 374 00:18:28.443 --> 00:18:32.985 But at the end of the day, I can lead the patient, you know, you can lead a horse to water. 375 00:18:33.625 --> 00:18:33.785 I... 376 00:18:34.293 --> 00:18:40.717 We'll tell the patient what I think and I'll say this is what I think and at the end of the day it's their mouth and they get to choose what they want to do so we have to deliver it. 377 00:18:40.917 --> 00:18:47.661 Yeah, and if they choose that picket fence look, you're like, okay, off you go and do not take a photo and do not tag me on social media. 378 00:18:47.701 --> 00:18:48.061 Thank you. 379 00:18:50.522 --> 00:18:55.305 Look, it's an interesting thing because there is that aspect where you do want to really respect the patients. 380 00:18:55.445 --> 00:18:56.445 I mean, that's my big thing. 381 00:18:56.465 --> 00:19:01.288 My goal is to, I want you to get what you want for your mouth and that's your goals. 382 00:19:01.568 --> 00:19:03.289 And same thing with the cosmetic industry. 383 00:19:03.309 --> 00:19:11.673 As long as you explain the ins and outs, the consequences of their decisions, if that's what they still want at the end of the day and they fully understand the decision they're making, that's theirs to make. 384 00:19:12.253 --> 00:19:19.117 But when you lead them down a pathway of saying, like, this is what's going to be best, this is what's going to look best, you know, you have to be careful. 385 00:19:19.137 --> 00:19:19.937 You have to be ethical about it. 386 00:19:19.957 --> 00:19:22.639 So what is the trend at the moment in terms of teeth? 387 00:19:22.839 --> 00:19:25.140 Not your trend, but, like, what is the actual trend? 388 00:19:25.320 --> 00:19:29.622 In terms of aesthetics, nicely it is coming back down to a more natural look. 389 00:19:30.003 --> 00:19:36.266 So we went through a stage also probably about 10 years ago with that Hollywood look where it was those more natural. 390 00:19:36.686 --> 00:19:38.127 even length teeth everywhere. 391 00:19:38.667 --> 00:19:45.529 Something now we're moving more back to, which is traditional cosmetic dentistry, which I love is golden proportions. 392 00:19:45.549 --> 00:19:48.791 So throughout nature, we see golden proportions being repeated. 393 00:19:48.851 --> 00:19:53.873 It's used in architecture, you know, the height versus width ratios of aspects. 394 00:19:54.333 --> 00:19:59.815 So if we design teeth like that, it gives a really beautiful, harmonious and natural appearance. 395 00:20:00.355 --> 00:20:10.819 So we're moving back to that more traditional classical look, but also because of Instagram and social media, our normal white is not normal white anymore. 396 00:20:11.460 --> 00:20:11.880 Yeah. 397 00:20:12.140 --> 00:20:18.062 We used to have shade guides called Vita Classical Shade Guide that would go from A1 to C4. 398 00:20:18.683 --> 00:20:20.944 And A1 was like, that was your lightest color. 399 00:20:21.484 --> 00:20:22.404 People just would go there. 400 00:20:22.464 --> 00:20:23.565 That's how light you would want to go. 401 00:20:23.645 --> 00:20:24.185 But now... 402 00:20:24.518 --> 00:20:31.723 We've got this little extension that we buy to put onto the shade guide to bring in bleach shades because A1 is not the whitest anymore. 403 00:20:32.123 --> 00:20:34.244 Now we need, you know, B1, B2, B3. 404 00:20:34.464 --> 00:20:37.166 So porcelain veneers, can they stain? 405 00:20:37.386 --> 00:20:46.432 If you're taking iron supplements or drinking like a lot of, like a green tea is another one that will stain them a little bit, but it's very easily removed. 406 00:20:46.912 --> 00:20:52.356 The porcelain has still got this beautiful shine that doesn't stain really comparatively to resinoid for your teeth. 407 00:20:52.376 --> 00:20:52.496 Music. 408 00:21:00.640 --> 00:21:07.641 So just back onto you saying that there's been a movement back towards more natural teeth. 409 00:21:08.342 --> 00:21:10.182 Did you watch the White Lotus 3? 410 00:21:10.682 --> 00:21:11.322 Yes, we did. 411 00:21:11.782 --> 00:21:13.983 Was that casting? 412 00:21:14.003 --> 00:21:25.085 So the two gorgeous female characters in there, one was Amy Lou Wood as Chelsea and she was with Rick and she had the little bucky, little front rabbit bucky teeth. 413 00:21:25.105 --> 00:21:29.146 And then there was the French girl who was Chloe, played by Charlotte Le Bonne. 414 00:21:29.826 --> 00:21:34.909 So what I noticed was they were like kind of like the sexy, beautiful characters. 415 00:21:34.929 --> 00:21:35.849 They were the hot ones. 416 00:21:36.170 --> 00:21:39.632 And they both had very non-traditional Hollywood smiles. 417 00:21:39.692 --> 00:21:45.615 And I wonder if that was a cast like that because the teeth on them were so prominent in that film. 418 00:21:45.915 --> 00:21:47.437 They weren't straight. 419 00:21:47.457 --> 00:21:48.519 They had overbites. 420 00:21:48.539 --> 00:21:53.146 There was lots of like kind of quirky crossovers and crookedness. 421 00:21:53.687 --> 00:21:57.373 But what I found watching them was I was mesmerized by these women. 422 00:21:57.413 --> 00:21:59.055 And I thought they looked so good. 423 00:21:59.135 --> 00:22:00.397 And it made me think... 424 00:22:01.238 --> 00:22:08.465 Were the teeth chosen like that on purpose because this is a new idea of beauty and trend, that it's all completely natural? 425 00:22:08.885 --> 00:22:12.448 Because I think your teeth is something so unique to you and your overall look. 426 00:22:12.488 --> 00:22:14.890 And I actually loved their teeth. 427 00:22:14.930 --> 00:22:15.190 Same. 428 00:22:15.931 --> 00:22:16.952 We were talking about it. 429 00:22:17.112 --> 00:22:19.374 I was like, she actually suits those teeth. 430 00:22:19.414 --> 00:22:19.995 Yeah. 431 00:22:20.215 --> 00:22:20.996 Yeah. 432 00:22:21.076 --> 00:22:21.676 I'll add to that. 433 00:22:21.696 --> 00:22:23.298 So the uniqueness, your teeth... 434 00:22:23.958 --> 00:22:25.979 They are as unique as a fingerprint. 435 00:22:26.479 --> 00:22:27.059 No way. 436 00:22:27.079 --> 00:22:28.960 Yeah, so people think like, oh, teeth are teeth. 437 00:22:28.980 --> 00:22:29.540 They're not teeth. 438 00:22:29.580 --> 00:22:31.901 They are literally as unique as your fingerprints. 439 00:22:31.941 --> 00:22:33.421 Nobody has exactly the same set of teeth. 440 00:22:33.601 --> 00:22:34.902 Okay, that's fascinating. 441 00:22:34.922 --> 00:22:37.002 The English one, like I loved her teeth. 442 00:22:37.103 --> 00:22:37.663 I loved her smile. 443 00:22:37.683 --> 00:22:38.903 We're talking Chelsea here. 444 00:22:38.943 --> 00:22:41.064 We're talking Amy Lou Wood, if you Google her. 445 00:22:41.684 --> 00:22:44.205 She had the little kind of little buck rabbit teeth. 446 00:22:44.663 --> 00:22:46.264 She was just such a cute personality. 447 00:22:46.364 --> 00:22:46.604 Yeah. 448 00:22:46.644 --> 00:22:48.025 Like, I just loved her no matter what. 449 00:22:48.545 --> 00:22:51.267 And her teeth added to that cuteness of her. 450 00:22:51.307 --> 00:22:51.427 Yes. 451 00:22:51.447 --> 00:22:51.587 Right? 452 00:22:51.607 --> 00:22:52.788 You know, and the innocence as well. 453 00:22:52.808 --> 00:22:52.948 Yes. 454 00:22:53.028 --> 00:22:56.590 And she wouldn't have been the same if she'd had the perfect veneered teeth. 455 00:22:56.710 --> 00:22:57.050 Agreed. 456 00:22:57.090 --> 00:22:57.250 Yeah. 457 00:22:57.270 --> 00:22:58.731 I liked that individuality of her. 458 00:22:58.931 --> 00:23:01.653 But Madonna's also one that had that big gap between her front teeth. 459 00:23:01.673 --> 00:23:01.773 Yeah. 460 00:23:01.853 --> 00:23:01.953 Yeah. 461 00:23:02.173 --> 00:23:09.918 She got it removed and then she got it put back in again or brought back because she lost the individuality of her smile. 462 00:23:09.938 --> 00:23:10.058 Yeah. 463 00:23:10.078 --> 00:23:10.178 Yeah. 464 00:23:10.398 --> 00:23:13.019 I kind of think, though, watching that, I'm like, all power to you girls. 465 00:23:13.039 --> 00:23:15.760 Like, you haven't fixed your teeth. 466 00:23:15.820 --> 00:23:25.323 And I remember it's one of those first things that girls and boys, when they're usually early teens, teenage years, the first thing they do for cosmetics is to straighten their teeth. 467 00:23:25.604 --> 00:23:25.684 Yes. 468 00:23:25.784 --> 00:23:28.765 And all power to them for not and embracing that uniqueness. 469 00:23:28.825 --> 00:23:31.366 And it just got me thinking about my son, Tom. 470 00:23:31.606 --> 00:23:32.806 Tom Judd, one of my twins. 471 00:23:33.186 --> 00:23:34.947 He has a very big gap. 472 00:23:35.407 --> 00:23:39.648 And the more I'm seeing all these natural smiles, I'm like, I don't think I want to close his gap. 473 00:23:39.668 --> 00:23:41.189 Like it's part of him. 474 00:23:41.429 --> 00:23:44.249 I love his gap and I don't want him to be cookie cutter. 475 00:23:44.289 --> 00:23:51.411 And the fact that he has such a big gap that he's going to need surgery to get his smile more perfect. 476 00:23:51.471 --> 00:23:52.712 It's like, why? 477 00:23:53.052 --> 00:23:53.892 It's not him. 478 00:23:53.992 --> 00:23:54.692 I like his gap too. 479 00:23:54.712 --> 00:23:55.812 Yeah, I like his gap too. 480 00:23:55.853 --> 00:23:57.673 And he loves his gap. 481 00:23:57.773 --> 00:23:57.933 Yeah. 482 00:23:57.973 --> 00:24:00.295 And it's also how people can tell him and Darcy apart. 483 00:24:00.395 --> 00:24:01.857 Yeah, yeah, yeah. 484 00:24:02.197 --> 00:24:03.378 So it works for that. 485 00:24:03.438 --> 00:24:07.902 But that White Lotus 3 really made me go, I don't think I'm going to put Tom through that. 486 00:24:07.982 --> 00:24:08.102 Yeah. 487 00:24:08.122 --> 00:24:08.222 Good. 488 00:24:08.282 --> 00:24:08.622 Yeah. 489 00:24:08.642 --> 00:24:09.523 I just want him to be him. 490 00:24:09.563 --> 00:24:09.823 Yeah. 491 00:24:09.943 --> 00:24:10.744 No, I think it's cute. 492 00:24:10.784 --> 00:24:13.867 So what is your overall thought on veneers? 493 00:24:14.743 --> 00:24:27.389 Look, they've definitely got their place because if your teeth are badly worn down, if they're badly shaped or miscoloured or they've had lots of decay in the past, then veneers are going to improve your smile out of sight. 494 00:24:27.409 --> 00:24:28.270 They're amazing. 495 00:24:28.290 --> 00:24:28.610 They're great. 496 00:24:29.070 --> 00:24:36.254 Especially if you want to make your smile bigger than it used to be smaller, then that's really going to be your only option or your best option that way. 497 00:24:36.634 --> 00:24:41.757 So I think veneers are amazing, but I do think porcelain veneers are way, way oversold. 498 00:24:41.997 --> 00:24:42.277 Hmm. 499 00:24:42.337 --> 00:24:45.353 Like I think it's – and it's devastating to see, especially when you get like a – 500 00:24:46.248 --> 00:24:53.513 a young girl, you know, 18 years old coming in with a set of, you know, 20 veneers and I'm like, who the hell did this to you? 501 00:24:53.533 --> 00:24:55.594 Yeah, you've got a healthy bone. 502 00:24:55.634 --> 00:24:56.555 Yeah. 503 00:24:56.595 --> 00:25:02.179 Now, your gum line doesn't actually completely settle in an adult until their mid-20s. 504 00:25:02.859 --> 00:25:07.903 So it's something else that you should consider if you're looking at doing veneers as a teenager. 505 00:25:08.443 --> 00:25:14.247 If you do veneers when you're 19, 20 years old and your gum line decides to move up higher – 506 00:25:14.807 --> 00:25:19.350 Where that porcelain veneer joins your tooth is going to become visible. 507 00:25:19.990 --> 00:25:24.973 So you're not going to get – well, it's not going to look as good as it should if you waited a little bit longer to do it. 508 00:25:24.993 --> 00:25:25.594 Okay. 509 00:25:25.754 --> 00:25:28.415 What's the least thing I can do to get you the result that you want? 510 00:25:29.136 --> 00:25:35.360 If I can get the result with composite, with resin, and give you the result that you want, then that's a better option. 511 00:25:35.380 --> 00:25:35.820 Totally. 512 00:25:36.060 --> 00:25:39.821 The downside is it will chip more easily and it will stain more easily. 513 00:25:40.401 --> 00:25:46.562 So if you're a patient that bites their nails and you just can't stop biting your nails, okay, resin might not be a great option for you. 514 00:25:47.463 --> 00:25:48.623 Or if you grind your teeth. 515 00:25:48.963 --> 00:25:55.744 But if you grind your teeth and you've got resin veneers, now resin will wear down quicker and chip more easily, then Porsa might be a better option for you. 516 00:25:55.964 --> 00:25:58.385 Okay, celebs, best veneers you've seen. 517 00:25:59.321 --> 00:26:00.021 What's her name? 518 00:26:00.782 --> 00:26:02.602 Is it American Idol Judge? 519 00:26:03.063 --> 00:26:03.823 American Idol Judge. 520 00:26:03.903 --> 00:26:04.503 Is it Chase? 521 00:26:04.563 --> 00:26:05.224 Cheryl Chase? 522 00:26:05.964 --> 00:26:06.504 Cheryl Cole. 523 00:26:06.544 --> 00:26:06.944 Cheryl Cole. 524 00:26:07.084 --> 00:26:08.505 All right, I'm Googling her now. 525 00:26:08.565 --> 00:26:09.406 She's got good teeth. 526 00:26:09.486 --> 00:26:12.207 She got veneers or she got non… She's got veneers, yeah. 527 00:26:12.227 --> 00:26:12.987 But they're good veneers. 528 00:26:13.127 --> 00:26:14.068 They're nicely done veneers. 529 00:26:14.148 --> 00:26:15.948 Interestingly, they're quite long, right? 530 00:26:15.968 --> 00:26:16.969 But I love big teeth. 531 00:26:16.989 --> 00:26:19.470 One of the things I fell in love with Jess, it's huge Amazonian teeth. 532 00:26:19.530 --> 00:26:20.250 Oh, I've got massive teeth. 533 00:26:20.270 --> 00:26:22.751 Oh, we've got it before and after of Cheryl Cole. 534 00:26:22.852 --> 00:26:23.512 Wow. 535 00:26:23.692 --> 00:26:25.052 We'll put this up on our… Wow. 536 00:26:25.072 --> 00:26:25.673 …vanish. 537 00:26:25.693 --> 00:26:26.193 Wow. 538 00:26:26.273 --> 00:26:28.735 She's got the little sharp – what are the little sides? 539 00:26:28.755 --> 00:26:29.476 A little sharpish. 540 00:26:29.496 --> 00:26:30.096 The canine teeth. 541 00:26:30.316 --> 00:26:36.501 Now, look, she is actually one of those beautiful examples of this is – I hope she did not go straight to veneers. 542 00:26:37.202 --> 00:26:39.204 Actually, this is a really good point that I'd like to make today. 543 00:26:39.504 --> 00:26:49.252 So when we create restorative space for veneers, if you do it on teeth that are straight, you have to cut the tooth far less than if their teeth are crooked. 544 00:26:49.292 --> 00:26:53.936 When you have crooked teeth and you try to do veneers, that's when you do massive damage to the teeth. 545 00:26:54.776 --> 00:26:57.198 Okay, so your thing is… Straighten the teeth first. 546 00:26:57.338 --> 00:26:57.658 100%. 547 00:26:57.678 --> 00:26:59.220 Straighten the teeth first. 548 00:26:59.240 --> 00:27:02.122 Straighten the teeth, whiten the teeth, and then see what's left over, right? 549 00:27:02.162 --> 00:27:02.742 And you know what? 550 00:27:02.862 --> 00:27:06.505 My approach normally when patients come in, they say, look, I want to get a set of veneers. 551 00:27:07.085 --> 00:27:12.610 Normally, you'll say, listen, if we straighten them first, you're going to get a better result when we do the veneers. 552 00:27:12.790 --> 00:27:14.371 Are you up for doing some straightening first? 553 00:27:14.811 --> 00:27:21.797 It will cost you less biologically, possibly more financially as well if we straighten them first because often there's less teeth that we have to veneer. 554 00:27:21.817 --> 00:27:22.037 Mm-hmm. 555 00:27:22.717 --> 00:27:27.902 But often we'll whiten them, we'll straighten them with Invisalign, and they look that much better once you've done that. 556 00:27:27.922 --> 00:27:28.663 They're like, you know what? 557 00:27:28.763 --> 00:27:29.363 Don't even ease. 558 00:27:29.403 --> 00:27:29.964 I don't even ease. 559 00:27:30.004 --> 00:27:31.365 And I'm like, yes, that's a little win. 560 00:27:31.405 --> 00:27:33.107 That's a big win. 561 00:27:33.147 --> 00:27:34.828 Yeah, that's one tooth less cut for me. 562 00:27:35.168 --> 00:27:36.029 So it's amazing. 563 00:27:36.610 --> 00:27:42.035 Or they go, look, there's still now some wear on the teeth, and we can just patch up those little bits of wear with a bit of resin bonding. 564 00:27:42.595 --> 00:27:46.797 And if that's not enough for them, sure, they still can go down that porcelain pathway. 565 00:27:47.118 --> 00:27:52.100 But when we cut their tooth, we're cutting 0.3 of a millimetre versus over a millimetre. 566 00:27:52.380 --> 00:27:54.562 So we get to bond to that outside enamel. 567 00:27:54.582 --> 00:28:04.107 We get beautiful, long-lasting, strong veneers as opposed to cut down damaged teeth with veneers that aren't going to last as long and could possibly end up with root canal treatment. 568 00:28:04.387 --> 00:28:05.167 Oh, no. 569 00:28:05.187 --> 00:28:05.668 Tooth lawsuit. 570 00:28:05.688 --> 00:28:07.309 God, we've learned a lot today. 571 00:28:07.569 --> 00:28:08.969 Now, quickfire questions. 572 00:28:08.989 --> 00:28:09.690 Quick, quick, quick. 573 00:28:10.050 --> 00:28:13.273 Do we really need to floss each day? 574 00:28:13.293 --> 00:28:16.015 Have you ever flossed and seen the stuff that comes out between your teeth? 575 00:28:16.035 --> 00:28:16.295 I love it. 576 00:28:16.335 --> 00:28:17.256 It's so satisfying. 577 00:28:17.276 --> 00:28:17.597 Come on. 578 00:28:17.657 --> 00:28:21.120 I love it when you get it out and there's like a chia seed or something. 579 00:28:21.220 --> 00:28:23.642 Or like a long bit of lamb that's kind of wrapped. 580 00:28:23.682 --> 00:28:24.022 Yes. 581 00:28:24.042 --> 00:28:24.843 That was me last night. 582 00:28:24.883 --> 00:28:25.083 Yeah. 583 00:28:25.103 --> 00:28:27.285 And then you get it out and it's so good. 584 00:28:27.345 --> 00:28:28.346 It's so good. 585 00:28:28.366 --> 00:28:29.046 It's like a pimple picture. 586 00:28:29.066 --> 00:28:30.307 But do you know what's disgusting? 587 00:28:30.487 --> 00:28:30.868 The smell. 588 00:28:31.188 --> 00:28:33.508 Other people's dental floss when they leave it around. 589 00:28:33.768 --> 00:28:34.469 That's gross. 590 00:28:34.529 --> 00:28:38.069 I can deal with my own bits of lamb and chia seed, but not anyone else's. 591 00:28:38.189 --> 00:28:38.949 It's foul. 592 00:28:38.989 --> 00:28:42.450 I have them on the bedside table picking up his dental floss. 593 00:28:42.490 --> 00:28:43.110 It's disgusting. 594 00:28:43.230 --> 00:28:45.090 But to add to that, Pixters. 595 00:28:45.230 --> 00:28:54.532 Those little brushes between your teeth, especially if you have a little bit of gum disease or bone loss, which can often happen, especially post-pregnancy and even menopause can have relations to bone loss. 596 00:28:54.832 --> 00:28:57.532 So Pixters between your teeth are really good to get the bigger bits out. 597 00:28:57.652 --> 00:28:58.393 Okay, good to know. 598 00:28:58.593 --> 00:29:00.633 Best method for tooth whitening? 599 00:29:01.011 --> 00:29:07.393 The straightforward stuff, hydrogen peroxide or carbon-mide peroxide, so the home trays, home bleaching trays, all going into your dentist to do it. 600 00:29:07.834 --> 00:29:09.274 The home trays for me is the best. 601 00:29:09.314 --> 00:29:09.914 It costs less. 602 00:29:10.134 --> 00:29:11.495 You can control your sensitivity. 603 00:29:11.515 --> 00:29:12.775 You can control how white you got. 604 00:29:12.875 --> 00:29:14.156 And you get that at the dentist, don't you? 605 00:29:14.376 --> 00:29:15.917 You get a custom kit made up at the dentist. 606 00:29:16.097 --> 00:29:19.918 I don't like the stuff that you just paint on your teeth or non-custom trays. 607 00:29:19.938 --> 00:29:21.299 You end up swallowing that product. 608 00:29:21.319 --> 00:29:24.540 That product breaks down to oxygen urea and a free radical. 609 00:29:24.560 --> 00:29:27.341 That free radical is not good for your stomach and for your body. 610 00:29:27.401 --> 00:29:28.701 Yeah, it's some nasty stuff. 611 00:29:28.761 --> 00:29:30.662 I don't like just painting it on your teeth and swallowing it. 612 00:29:30.922 --> 00:29:31.222 Yeah. 613 00:29:31.562 --> 00:29:32.643 Mouthwash, yay or nay? 614 00:29:32.943 --> 00:29:34.884 No, I don't like mouthwashes in general. 615 00:29:34.904 --> 00:29:37.366 They're usually packed with a whole bunch of chemicals. 616 00:29:37.406 --> 00:29:38.206 My mum's a naturopath. 617 00:29:38.527 --> 00:29:42.189 If you want a good mouthwash, half a teaspoon of salt in the cup of water, use that. 618 00:29:42.589 --> 00:29:54.116 If you're getting a dry mouth or you've got reflux, you put some bicarb in that as well, especially for like women during morning sickness, lots of reflux, half a teaspoon of bicarb soda, put that in your water, rinse your mouth out with that. 619 00:29:54.376 --> 00:29:54.976 Okay, cool. 620 00:29:55.356 --> 00:29:56.397 Tongue scraping, yay or nay? 621 00:29:56.417 --> 00:29:56.517 Yeah. 622 00:29:56.637 --> 00:29:56.937 Yay. 623 00:29:57.017 --> 00:29:57.798 It's a good thing to do. 624 00:29:57.818 --> 00:29:58.819 Everyone's got a different tongue. 625 00:29:59.300 --> 00:30:02.543 And the buildup that you get, some people have deep crypts in their tongue. 626 00:30:02.603 --> 00:30:03.885 It collects bacteria. 627 00:30:04.325 --> 00:30:07.589 That bacteria then releases sulfides, which gives you bad breath. 628 00:30:07.989 --> 00:30:13.055 So scraping your tongue, if you've got the white coat on it, if you don't have a white coat on your tongue, don't scrape your tongue. 629 00:30:13.075 --> 00:30:14.236 You're not going to get much benefit out of it. 630 00:30:14.536 --> 00:30:16.719 Don't leave your tongue scraper on the bathroom bench. 631 00:30:17.420 --> 00:30:17.760 I do not. 632 00:30:17.780 --> 00:30:20.644 Have you seen it at mine? 633 00:30:20.744 --> 00:30:22.086 Is that where you pick your phone? 634 00:30:22.106 --> 00:30:23.868 She's obviously seen it in her bathroom. 635 00:30:23.888 --> 00:30:24.649 Chris doesn't have one. 636 00:30:24.669 --> 00:30:25.570 What are you talking about? 637 00:30:25.590 --> 00:30:26.871 Oh, my God, I love it. 638 00:30:27.072 --> 00:30:27.452 Okay. 639 00:30:27.732 --> 00:30:29.675 Toothbrush, electric or old school? 640 00:30:29.935 --> 00:30:30.235 All right. 641 00:30:30.315 --> 00:30:31.036 Electric, definitely. 642 00:30:31.136 --> 00:30:35.660 There's lots of damage that gets done with overbrushing your teeth, which happens a lot with old toothbrushes. 643 00:30:35.680 --> 00:30:39.283 Never use a medium or hard bristle toothbrush and don't brush back and forth. 644 00:30:39.724 --> 00:30:41.445 Use a really light grip. 645 00:30:41.725 --> 00:30:43.947 If you're using a hand toothbrush, just hold it with your fingertips. 646 00:30:44.307 --> 00:30:46.669 Less than the pressure you do when you're writing with a pen. 647 00:30:46.890 --> 00:30:47.250 Okay. 648 00:30:47.370 --> 00:30:47.630 Okay. 649 00:30:47.690 --> 00:30:49.292 And same with your electric toothbrush. 650 00:30:49.532 --> 00:30:50.473 Let it do all the work. 651 00:30:50.793 --> 00:30:51.113 All right. 652 00:30:51.233 --> 00:30:52.795 Red wine, avoid or enjoy? 653 00:30:53.506 --> 00:30:53.826 Enjoy. 654 00:30:53.926 --> 00:30:54.627 Absolutely enjoy. 655 00:30:54.647 --> 00:30:55.287 Red wine's great. 656 00:30:55.487 --> 00:30:57.788 But that is one of the things that's going to stay in your teeth and your resin. 657 00:30:58.188 --> 00:31:02.971 One of my tips with red wine and green tea and coffee, et cetera, rinse your mouth out with water afterwards. 658 00:31:02.991 --> 00:31:04.291 But who does that? 659 00:31:04.332 --> 00:31:04.532 I do. 660 00:31:04.572 --> 00:31:05.592 No one actually does. 661 00:31:05.612 --> 00:31:05.852 I don't. 662 00:31:05.952 --> 00:31:06.353 I do. 663 00:31:06.633 --> 00:31:06.813 Yeah. 664 00:31:06.893 --> 00:31:09.374 But you put it in your mouth and you just – and then you swallow. 665 00:31:09.394 --> 00:31:12.596 Just a quick swish of water around everything is going to make it a bit different. 666 00:31:12.616 --> 00:31:13.236 You actually do that. 667 00:31:13.256 --> 00:31:13.716 Yeah, I do. 668 00:31:13.736 --> 00:31:14.537 Because you're married to him. 669 00:31:14.597 --> 00:31:14.937 Yeah, no. 670 00:31:15.157 --> 00:31:15.697 No, trust me. 671 00:31:15.737 --> 00:31:16.858 None of the listeners are doing that. 672 00:31:16.878 --> 00:31:17.058 No. 673 00:31:17.498 --> 00:31:18.019 They might now. 674 00:31:18.159 --> 00:31:18.980 Yeah, they might now. 675 00:31:19.040 --> 00:31:19.922 Hopefully they do. 676 00:31:19.962 --> 00:31:20.642 All right. 677 00:31:20.703 --> 00:31:25.569 Well, Val, my beautiful husband, my baby daddy, thanks for coming on and talking all things tea. 678 00:31:25.589 --> 00:31:26.410 Yeah, that was so good. 679 00:31:26.650 --> 00:31:28.032 I'm sure our listeners got a lot out of it. 680 00:31:28.172 --> 00:31:28.993 Yeah, definitely. 681 00:31:29.253 --> 00:31:29.534 Love you. 682 00:31:29.734 --> 00:31:30.335 Love you too, hon. 683 00:31:30.435 --> 00:31:30.715 Bye. 684 00:31:30.815 --> 00:31:31.096 Bye. 685 00:31:31.156 --> 00:31:31.496 Bye. 686 00:31:35.824 --> 00:31:36.585 Oh, he's so good. 687 00:31:36.705 --> 00:31:37.446 He is, isn't he? 688 00:31:37.566 --> 00:31:38.667 I love the passion. 689 00:31:38.747 --> 00:31:39.668 Like, he's so passionate. 690 00:31:39.708 --> 00:31:41.710 He would still be here talking about veneers. 691 00:31:41.951 --> 00:31:42.211 Oh, no. 692 00:31:42.351 --> 00:31:43.032 If we'd let him. 693 00:31:43.192 --> 00:31:43.472 Oh, 100%. 694 00:31:43.512 --> 00:31:44.894 And tomorrow and the next day and the next day. 695 00:31:44.934 --> 00:31:45.675 Anything dental. 696 00:31:45.855 --> 00:31:46.836 He's so obsessed with teeth. 697 00:31:46.856 --> 00:31:48.357 He would, like, go up to random strangers. 698 00:31:48.418 --> 00:31:48.778 I know. 699 00:31:48.858 --> 00:31:50.260 And start looking in their mouths. 700 00:31:50.280 --> 00:31:50.720 Yeah, absolutely. 701 00:31:50.800 --> 00:31:57.824 Or like we'll be at a bar and he's like inside our friend's mouth and giving them a full assessment and rundown. 702 00:31:58.425 --> 00:32:05.769 It's like wherever he goes, if you get this strange bald man walk up to you and say, can I look in your mouth, it's usually Val because he's spotted something that he wants to check. 703 00:32:05.789 --> 00:32:06.670 Yeah, yeah, literally. 704 00:32:07.370 --> 00:32:10.032 How many times have I been to a nightclub and gone, Val's got some girl in the corner. 705 00:32:10.052 --> 00:32:10.832 I was like, where's Val? 706 00:32:11.132 --> 00:32:11.392 Where's that? 707 00:32:11.432 --> 00:32:12.093 I'm like, where's Val? 708 00:32:12.113 --> 00:32:14.774 And then I find him and he's like down some girl's throat. 709 00:32:14.814 --> 00:32:16.115 I'm thinking, is he chatting on me? 710 00:32:16.155 --> 00:32:18.376 I run over and he's like, no, his head's just down there looking. 711 00:32:18.396 --> 00:32:19.577 He's doing a dental examination. 712 00:32:19.937 --> 00:32:21.158 It's so funny. 713 00:32:21.278 --> 00:32:24.100 I remember brushing my teeth one day. 714 00:32:24.140 --> 00:32:26.821 Him and I are in the bathroom because we have so many holidays. 715 00:32:26.901 --> 00:32:28.202 All our families are all together. 716 00:32:28.582 --> 00:32:29.743 I love how you clarified that. 717 00:32:29.863 --> 00:32:31.064 Yeah, right. 718 00:32:31.104 --> 00:32:35.648 People are like, what is she doing brushing her teeth with him in a bathroom? 719 00:32:35.688 --> 00:32:36.349 And where was Jess? 720 00:32:36.369 --> 00:32:37.930 I know that sounded really weird. 721 00:32:37.950 --> 00:32:39.251 That's why I'm like, save this. 722 00:32:39.832 --> 00:32:40.493 Save it. 723 00:32:40.613 --> 00:32:45.277 It was actually when we were staying down in Rye. 724 00:32:45.737 --> 00:32:46.057 Oh, yes. 725 00:32:46.137 --> 00:32:50.798 And we came out and we're brushing our teeth and I've never seen someone so excited to brush their teeth. 726 00:32:50.818 --> 00:32:58.780 Like when he brushes his teeth with his electric toothbrush, he's got a smile on his face and then I'm doing it feeling completely judged because the dentist is looking at me. 727 00:32:58.800 --> 00:33:02.341 I'm like, do a good job, do it for longer than you usually do because usually I'm like 20 seconds. 728 00:33:02.421 --> 00:33:04.981 I'm like, oh, I better do the full two minutes because Val's here. 729 00:33:05.001 --> 00:33:06.942 I'm like, he's looking at me, he's smiling. 730 00:33:06.962 --> 00:33:07.322 He's judging you. 731 00:33:07.402 --> 00:33:09.042 Oh, so funny. 732 00:33:09.062 --> 00:33:09.922 Did you do two minutes? 733 00:33:10.423 --> 00:33:11.503 I did but I haven't since. 734 00:33:12.743 --> 00:33:14.524 Don't worry, I sometimes skip my brushing. 735 00:33:14.544 --> 00:33:15.525 That's what cleans are for. 736 00:33:15.565 --> 00:33:15.705 I know. 737 00:33:15.725 --> 00:33:16.546 Just go and book a clean. 738 00:33:16.566 --> 00:33:18.687 I said, have you brushed your teeth this morning? 739 00:33:18.707 --> 00:33:22.389 I'm like, no, I was waiting for you to do it for me. 740 00:33:22.449 --> 00:33:28.132 But yeah, so good to have him on and actually give an insight on veneers and composite veneers to our listeners. 741 00:33:28.252 --> 00:33:35.537 It is confusing and I feel like that people are big suckers for the marketing out there and they think that porcelain veneers are just the gold standard when they – 742 00:33:36.137 --> 00:33:38.540 They are for some people, but not for everyone. 743 00:33:38.660 --> 00:33:39.040 Exactly. 744 00:33:39.060 --> 00:33:43.665 I feel like the message is important that there still are really good candidates for that, but not everyone's a good candidate. 745 00:33:43.765 --> 00:33:46.888 And to really do your research and ask the questions to your dentist. 746 00:33:46.968 --> 00:33:49.771 Like, what are the pros and cons having this done now? 747 00:33:49.791 --> 00:33:51.993 And be mindful if you're being upsold as well. 748 00:33:52.133 --> 00:33:52.374 Yeah. 749 00:33:52.474 --> 00:33:52.694 Yeah. 750 00:33:52.834 --> 00:33:53.355 And the cost. 751 00:33:53.595 --> 00:33:53.835 All right. 752 00:33:53.855 --> 00:33:55.557 Well, that's it for another episode of Vanish. 753 00:33:55.597 --> 00:33:56.778 We will see you next week. 754 00:33:56.978 --> 00:33:57.159 Yeah. 755 00:33:57.299 --> 00:33:57.759 Bye for now. 756 00:33:57.799 --> 00:33:58.300 Bye for now. 757 00:34:04.994 --> 00:34:05.982 I'm gonna go now.