WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.840 Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:09.320 truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. 3 00:00:09.320 --> 00:00:13.120 We're everybody welcome to this podcast and you are going to be blown away. 4 00:00:13.120 --> 00:00:16.760 We have a treasure with us today. 5 00:00:16.760 --> 00:00:18.120 He's not easy to get. 6 00:00:18.120 --> 00:00:21.880 I think you're going to be impressed, but we're going to sit down and talk to one of the 7 00:00:21.880 --> 00:00:27.880 living great, great leaders in the church today, a man who will not compromise, a man 8 00:00:27.880 --> 00:00:31.720 who loves the lost and a man who encourages the church. 9 00:00:31.720 --> 00:00:33.920 You're going to find out who in just a minute. 10 00:00:33.920 --> 00:00:42.000 So stay tuned as we dive into this episode of Jack Hibbs Podcast. 11 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:48.400 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. 12 00:00:48.400 --> 00:00:54.400 Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, 13 00:00:54.400 --> 00:00:57.640 then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. 14 00:00:57.640 --> 00:01:04.240 To us, that's like saying, amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. 15 00:01:04.240 --> 00:01:07.720 Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. 16 00:01:07.720 --> 00:01:09.720 Here is Jack Hibbs. 17 00:01:09.720 --> 00:01:12.440 Hey, everybody welcome to the Jack Hibbs Podcast. 18 00:01:12.440 --> 00:01:14.120 We are glad that you are with us. 19 00:01:14.120 --> 00:01:20.920 As usual, listen, please hit the subscribe button and make sure that you stay up on all 20 00:01:20.920 --> 00:01:21.920 that's going. 21 00:01:22.320 --> 00:01:26.720 Make sure you stay tuned as things in them at least begin to heat up. 22 00:01:26.720 --> 00:01:30.400 But listen, today we have a very, very special podcast and I know I sound like a broken 23 00:01:30.400 --> 00:01:35.960 record because I say that every time and we are honored, we're blessed to have such great 24 00:01:35.960 --> 00:01:37.640 guests that we do. 25 00:01:37.640 --> 00:01:45.240 But today we have with us today not only a prolific author, I mean his books, they just fly 26 00:01:45.240 --> 00:01:52.680 off the shelf and they should because of the content and the messaging. 27 00:01:52.680 --> 00:01:57.360 When this man speaks, people listen and rightfully so. 28 00:01:57.360 --> 00:02:04.360 I am talking today about having with us right now, pastor, doctor, Irwin Mootser and Irwin 29 00:02:04.360 --> 00:02:12.080 Mootser is a legend to those of us who occupy a pulpit or if you attend any theological 30 00:02:12.080 --> 00:02:18.600 seminary at all, or if you have been one who has a great appetite for Bible teaching. 31 00:02:18.600 --> 00:02:23.320 Go to YouTube, or go to IrwinLootser.com, I would imagine I'm making that up right now, 32 00:02:23.320 --> 00:02:29.800 I would think that's what he has and listen to him, deep, solid, you never listen. 33 00:02:29.800 --> 00:02:32.120 This is so rare for me to be able to say. 34 00:02:32.120 --> 00:02:36.960 You never have to be worried about what Dr. Lootser is going to teach on. 35 00:02:37.040 --> 00:02:43.680 His safe, conservative, biblically based theology and I am so grateful for his impact upon 36 00:02:43.680 --> 00:02:45.320 my life over the years. 37 00:02:45.320 --> 00:02:50.040 So Dr. Lootser, it's awesome to have you on the podcast and I hope we have some fun today 38 00:02:50.040 --> 00:02:55.800 and part of the fun for me is promoting this remarkable book that you've just authored 39 00:02:55.800 --> 00:02:57.320 and I can't wait to get into it. 40 00:02:57.320 --> 00:03:01.240 But what did you tell the audience a little bit about who you are? 41 00:03:01.880 --> 00:03:05.200 Well, thank you so much for your wonderful introduction, Jack. 42 00:03:05.200 --> 00:03:09.880 And you and I have known each other distantly. 43 00:03:09.880 --> 00:03:13.000 It's wonderful to be on your podcast. 44 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:18.800 My lovely wife, Rebecca and I have been married for 55 years. 45 00:03:18.800 --> 00:03:25.040 Jack, the other day she said to some of our friends, the first 50 have been the most difficult. 46 00:03:25.040 --> 00:03:28.200 But God has graciously blessed us. 47 00:03:28.200 --> 00:03:31.840 We have three children, we have eight grandchildren. 48 00:03:31.840 --> 00:03:36.920 And you know, Jack, so that your audience might get to know me a little better, I was actually 49 00:03:36.920 --> 00:03:44.680 born on a farm in Saskatchewan, Canada, five miles from a town of 75 people and I mentioned 50 00:03:44.680 --> 00:03:52.040 that only to give God glory because God is the one who took me from the farm and through 51 00:03:52.040 --> 00:03:59.120 his divine providence gave me the opportunities to do the things that I've been able to 52 00:03:59.120 --> 00:04:05.840 do, including, as you mentioned, be pastor of Moody Church in Chicago for 36 years and 53 00:04:05.840 --> 00:04:09.080 write books, all that to the glory of God. 54 00:04:09.080 --> 00:04:14.040 And I always say to people, if you're blessed as a result of something that I have said or 55 00:04:14.040 --> 00:04:21.360 something that you have read that I've written, make sure that the glory goes to God because 56 00:04:21.360 --> 00:04:25.200 I attribute to him every opportunity I've had. 57 00:04:25.200 --> 00:04:31.480 And while I'm on the topic, I just want to say this that I have frequently watched you, 58 00:04:31.480 --> 00:04:37.200 Jack, and it's a wonderful to hear you preach the word. 59 00:04:37.200 --> 00:04:40.960 You know, you go out there a little farther if I might put it that way than some other 60 00:04:40.960 --> 00:04:42.800 pastors do. 61 00:04:42.800 --> 00:04:48.200 But nonetheless, you always get back to the scriptures, you always get back to the gospel because 62 00:04:48.280 --> 00:04:54.960 you and I know that that is the great hope for America in the midst of all of the polarization 63 00:04:54.960 --> 00:04:58.480 that I'm sure we can talk about on this podcast. 64 00:04:58.480 --> 00:05:04.320 The fact is that what people really need is the gospel. 65 00:05:04.320 --> 00:05:06.640 And I appreciate so much the opportunity. 66 00:05:06.640 --> 00:05:13.040 And while I'm on the topic, I really do appreciate the opportunity to speak at your church 67 00:05:13.040 --> 00:05:17.680 the first Sunday after our election. 68 00:05:17.680 --> 00:05:18.680 That's right. 69 00:05:18.680 --> 00:05:23.600 I'm going to just say right off the top that the topic I'm going to speak on is the laughter 70 00:05:23.600 --> 00:05:30.720 of God based on Psalm 2 where it says, you know, the heath and rage, the people they rebel 71 00:05:30.720 --> 00:05:35.520 against God, God sits in the heavens and laughs. 72 00:05:35.520 --> 00:05:40.560 So no matter who gets elected, it's going to be an opportunity for us to talk about the 73 00:05:40.560 --> 00:05:41.560 sovereignty of God. 74 00:05:41.560 --> 00:05:47.400 And I'll be mentioning that his sovereignty is really our sanity. 75 00:05:47.400 --> 00:05:48.720 So it's going to be a great time. 76 00:05:48.720 --> 00:05:50.080 I look forward to it. 77 00:05:50.080 --> 00:05:51.080 Wow. 78 00:05:51.080 --> 00:05:54.880 First of all, just that was enough right there to get me excited about it. 79 00:05:54.880 --> 00:06:02.240 And I'm delighted that people are hearing the invite to view that in advance. 80 00:06:02.240 --> 00:06:06.880 And what a great, and that should always be the perspective that God is sovereign regarding 81 00:06:06.960 --> 00:06:12.760 what happens, we may do our best, but the bottom line, as you and I even sit here today, 82 00:06:12.760 --> 00:06:16.720 with Israel and all that's happening there, that God is sovereign. 83 00:06:16.720 --> 00:06:18.680 His Word will be fulfilled. 84 00:06:18.680 --> 00:06:21.120 And I am just delighted you are. 85 00:06:21.120 --> 00:06:25.720 And so listen, thank you for those kind words. 86 00:06:25.720 --> 00:06:27.040 Let's dive in if you would. 87 00:06:27.040 --> 00:06:28.520 I want people to buy your book. 88 00:06:28.520 --> 00:06:30.840 I want everybody to buy your book. 89 00:06:30.840 --> 00:06:34.200 And friends, listen, those of you, you're probably thinking, well, of course, Jack's going 90 00:06:34.200 --> 00:06:35.200 to say that. 91 00:06:35.200 --> 00:06:36.600 No, no, no, you don't understand. 92 00:06:36.640 --> 00:06:44.400 I am not going to have someone come onto this podcast that is going to pedal something just 93 00:06:44.400 --> 00:06:45.720 to pedal something. 94 00:06:45.720 --> 00:06:49.000 This is not peddling anything. 95 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:54.960 The book that Dr. Luther has written is not only in lockstep with what he is written 96 00:06:54.960 --> 00:07:00.240 in the style that he's written before, but this is this grabs you as his books do. 97 00:07:00.240 --> 00:07:04.320 But the eclipse of God, listen to the subtitle, everybody. 98 00:07:04.320 --> 00:07:12.040 Our nation's disastrous search for a more inclusive deity and what we must do about 99 00:07:12.040 --> 00:07:13.040 it. 100 00:07:13.040 --> 00:07:18.440 And Dr. Luther, the titles to the chapters preach themselves. 101 00:07:18.440 --> 00:07:20.320 I mean, it's incredibly powerful. 102 00:07:20.320 --> 00:07:22.240 What brought the book about? 103 00:07:22.240 --> 00:07:25.720 What gave this, it's fuel? 104 00:07:25.720 --> 00:07:30.640 Well, you know, when you think of any eclipse, all of us know that any eclipse of the sun 105 00:07:30.720 --> 00:07:35.600 means that the moon becomes, comes between the earth and the sun. 106 00:07:35.600 --> 00:07:37.880 It doesn't affect the sun. 107 00:07:37.880 --> 00:07:44.080 It only really affects the earth because the sun, of course, is blocked by the moon. 108 00:07:44.080 --> 00:07:49.560 And I argue that the moon of secularism has blocked the face of God. 109 00:07:49.560 --> 00:07:53.320 And this, of course, is exactly what also happened to Israel. 110 00:07:53.320 --> 00:07:59.160 In chapter 59, God says, you know, my arm is not short that I cannot help you. 111 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:05.800 I can forgive you, but your iniquities have separated between you and your God. 112 00:08:05.800 --> 00:08:09.880 And I have hidden my face from you. 113 00:08:09.880 --> 00:08:15.400 So what I point out in the book is this that, you know, Jack, I want to tell you this. 114 00:08:15.400 --> 00:08:19.280 Americans don't mind saying that they believe in God. 115 00:08:19.280 --> 00:08:22.280 Just as long as they can choose the God in which they believe. 116 00:08:22.280 --> 00:08:27.960 And oftentimes, as I point out in the book, their own consciousness becomes God. 117 00:08:27.960 --> 00:08:28.960 Yes. 118 00:08:28.960 --> 00:08:33.720 Then I have to tell you something else that motivated me a number of years ago in the 119 00:08:33.720 --> 00:08:38.880 economist, there was an article that said, God is becoming more liberal. 120 00:08:38.880 --> 00:08:42.080 He's beginning to approve of same-sex marriage. 121 00:08:42.080 --> 00:08:46.080 He is becoming as liberal as we are. 122 00:08:46.080 --> 00:08:47.800 And then it says this. 123 00:08:47.800 --> 00:08:55.120 And by the way, the online version was entitled, nearer my God to me, and I have a chapter 124 00:08:55.120 --> 00:08:56.960 entitled near my God to me. 125 00:08:56.960 --> 00:08:57.960 Yes, you do. 126 00:08:57.960 --> 00:09:03.880 And also said this, nobody believes in the Smitey Almighty, the Almighty of the Old Testament 127 00:09:03.880 --> 00:09:08.920 who smoked the Egyptians, the Almighty who smoked Sodom and Gomorrah. 128 00:09:08.920 --> 00:09:15.400 So I have a chapter, as you well know, on the Smitey Almighty, where I deal with the killing 129 00:09:15.400 --> 00:09:19.800 of the Canaanites, the flood, the stoning of people in the Old Testament. 130 00:09:19.800 --> 00:09:25.800 And then one of the longest chapters is God more tolerant than he used to be. 131 00:09:25.800 --> 00:09:29.040 After all, we don't do those things today. 132 00:09:29.040 --> 00:09:35.120 So how do we navigate the difference between the God, the God of the Old Testament, the 133 00:09:35.120 --> 00:09:36.360 God of the New Testament? 134 00:09:36.360 --> 00:09:40.760 And of course, I show that he has not changed at all. 135 00:09:40.760 --> 00:09:47.240 And not only that, in the New Testament, he holds us much more accountable for our sins 136 00:09:47.240 --> 00:09:49.840 because we have more light. 137 00:09:49.840 --> 00:09:53.760 You know, I know you have other questions to ask, but I have to say this that in the 138 00:09:53.760 --> 00:10:00.720 Hebrews, it really says this, and I'm paraphrasing, if under Moses people died with two or 139 00:10:00.720 --> 00:10:07.280 three witnesses, and they were stoned to death, of how much greater punishment will there 140 00:10:07.280 --> 00:10:14.040 come to those who trample underfoot the blood of the Son of God and consider the blood 141 00:10:14.040 --> 00:10:16.880 of the Son of God unholy? 142 00:10:16.880 --> 00:10:18.920 This is terrifying. 143 00:10:18.920 --> 00:10:22.520 And when you read the New Testament, when you read the book of Revelation, you discover 144 00:10:22.560 --> 00:10:32.960 that God is judging the world in terrifying ways, worse in ways that are much more terrifying 145 00:10:32.960 --> 00:10:35.120 than in the Old Testament. 146 00:10:35.120 --> 00:10:39.640 So we have to, the burden of the book, and then the rest of it shows how God is necessary 147 00:10:39.640 --> 00:10:45.160 for law and truth and all the other things, but the burden of the book is this. 148 00:10:45.160 --> 00:10:51.240 We have to get back to the God of the Bible and not just the God of popular culture because 149 00:10:51.320 --> 00:10:58.680 we have all kinds of gods in today's world, and people want to believe in their own version 150 00:10:58.680 --> 00:11:08.400 of God, and it's really disastrous for them because the God of the Bible is the true God, 151 00:11:08.400 --> 00:11:14.280 and we have to get back to Him and not the gods that people want to believe in. 152 00:11:14.520 --> 00:11:19.720 Well, I've gone through, at least and I sat down, and we went through the chapters, 153 00:11:20.520 --> 00:11:29.480 and we were both able to answer that the God that some would say was of the Old Testament 154 00:11:29.480 --> 00:11:36.440 is now this new tolerant God, this very cool Jesus who is somehow a social media type 155 00:11:37.240 --> 00:11:38.600 star Jesus. 156 00:11:39.480 --> 00:11:44.920 Well, people have a big shock because when we read the Old Testament account of God dealing 157 00:11:44.920 --> 00:11:51.240 with sin and dealing with unrighteousness, you hit the nail on the head, the book of Revelation 158 00:11:52.840 --> 00:12:00.040 shows that in its maximum throttle because of all of this, it's the culmination of sin. 159 00:12:00.040 --> 00:12:05.560 It's like when the Lord said the sins of the Amorites has not yet reached its point, 160 00:12:05.640 --> 00:12:11.080 meaning that there's a point where sin has reached a level where God will unleash at all. 161 00:12:11.080 --> 00:12:15.800 You look at the book of Revelation, and I often tell this to my Jewish friends, 162 00:12:15.800 --> 00:12:19.800 they don't want to read the New Testament, and I ask them, will you at least start this way, 163 00:12:20.360 --> 00:12:25.800 read Genesis to Malachi, they barely read that. But after Malachi, will you read the book of 164 00:12:25.800 --> 00:12:31.800 Revelation? And if they do, they get it, they see the connection, where today the modern 165 00:12:31.800 --> 00:12:36.120 Christian would say, oh, no, no, no, we like the God of the New Testament. He's so much more 166 00:12:36.120 --> 00:12:41.320 softer and tolerant, as you say, and he's so much easygoing. Man, I don't know what Bible you're 167 00:12:41.320 --> 00:12:45.800 reading, but that's not the guy. I mean, the word tells us that we should tremble, in fact, 168 00:12:45.800 --> 00:12:53.960 at his word, and you referenced the book of Hebrews. If I remember right, if the law and if 169 00:12:53.960 --> 00:13:01.160 Moses and what was given was holy and just, and it warranted such a punishment because 170 00:13:01.240 --> 00:13:06.600 wickedness must be punished, or else God's unjust, and he is just, so it will be punished, 171 00:13:07.320 --> 00:13:14.280 that to reject Christ and his sacrifice, you mentioned the word correctly about trampoline 172 00:13:14.280 --> 00:13:20.760 under the foot. For someone to get into hell, if you think about it, they've got to walk 173 00:13:21.320 --> 00:13:27.480 over, step over as it were the body of Christ, the sacrifice of Christ, the work of Christ. 174 00:13:27.480 --> 00:13:34.120 I would argue that it's kind of hard to get there, even though a lot of people are going to 175 00:13:34.120 --> 00:13:39.240 a Christ's eternity. You've got to work hard every day telling yourself he's not real. 176 00:13:39.240 --> 00:13:44.200 I'm not a sinner. I don't need the cross. And to me, it's remarkable, because like he said, 177 00:13:44.200 --> 00:13:49.800 so much light has been given, and to whom much is given, much is required, and truly Romans is 178 00:13:49.800 --> 00:13:55.480 correct. Of course, where Paul says, we are without excuse, just remarkable. 179 00:13:56.280 --> 00:14:03.400 Absolutely. And you know what I also do in the book is, you might know, I help people to understand 180 00:14:03.400 --> 00:14:10.120 where the darkness came from, because Nietzsche proclaimed the death of God in the year 1900, 181 00:14:10.120 --> 00:14:17.000 and I point out that he was, he says, we have grave diggers who have buried God, and I reference 182 00:14:17.000 --> 00:14:23.080 Carl Marx whom he would have known about Darwin, who said that the baboon is our grandfather, 183 00:14:23.080 --> 00:14:27.880 we came up through the animal world, that is huge implications. It means that we have no arguments 184 00:14:27.880 --> 00:14:34.680 against abortion, no argument against infanticide, because after all, we do that with animals. 185 00:14:35.560 --> 00:14:43.160 Huge implications. Hitler was a Darwinian. And then Freud, he rebelled against God as 186 00:14:43.160 --> 00:14:49.800 law-giver, and says sexuality is the highest form of happiness, so he didn't want any laws 187 00:14:49.800 --> 00:14:55.480 regarding sexuality. I show how this is leading actually in our society to pedophilia. 188 00:14:56.360 --> 00:15:03.240 To get to Jesus that you are referencing, you know, the Jesus of the New Testament, if I might 189 00:15:03.240 --> 00:15:11.000 humbly say this, is not the woke Jesus that we see on television where it says he gets us. 190 00:15:11.880 --> 00:15:17.160 Now, of course, he gets us, and I think that the people who support that probably mean very, 191 00:15:17.160 --> 00:15:25.320 very well, but how do you like this, Jack? Revelation chapter 7, people hid themselves in the 192 00:15:25.320 --> 00:15:30.680 dens, and in the mountains, and in the rocks, and sit onto the mountains and rocks, 193 00:15:30.680 --> 00:15:37.560 fall on us, and hide us from the face of him who sits on the throne, and from the wrath of the lamb. 194 00:15:38.280 --> 00:15:45.480 We're talking about a Jesus here who's a Savior who offers himself to everybody, and we certainly 195 00:15:45.480 --> 00:15:51.400 are emphasizing that today. He offers himself to everybody, but when you stop to think of it, 196 00:15:52.360 --> 00:15:59.160 we're talking about a Jesus who is going to come as judge, and there are people praying that they 197 00:15:59.160 --> 00:16:06.280 will be spared from the wrath of the lamb. And in the last chapter of my book, which I mentioned 198 00:16:06.280 --> 00:16:12.760 getting back to the God of wrath and grace, not the God of unconditional love, I emphasize the 199 00:16:12.760 --> 00:16:19.720 fact that the reason that we urge people to believe on Christ is that they might be saved from 200 00:16:19.720 --> 00:16:26.600 the wrath to come. And one of the things I like to do, Jack, and I know that you do this too, 201 00:16:27.160 --> 00:16:33.320 is to explain to people why Jesus is the only one who qualifies to be a Savior. 202 00:16:34.200 --> 00:16:39.800 Nobody else does. There isn't a teacher. You know, many years ago, there was a parliament of 203 00:16:39.800 --> 00:16:46.360 world religions in Chicago. I went to all the booths looking for a Savior, a sinless Savior. 204 00:16:47.000 --> 00:16:52.760 I went to the Hindus. I went to the Muslims. I went to those who followed other religions, 205 00:16:52.760 --> 00:16:57.640 and I said, I'm a sinner. I'm looking for a sinless Savior to save me. 206 00:16:58.600 --> 00:17:04.200 Jack, not one of them had that. They said, well, you know, Buddha told us to live according to 207 00:17:04.200 --> 00:17:11.720 this path, and this path is good, but could Buddha forgive sins? No. Only Jesus can. 208 00:17:12.680 --> 00:17:19.960 So what you and I need to do is to get back not only to the biblical God, but as he is revealed, 209 00:17:19.960 --> 00:17:26.440 but also the biblical Jesus. Just just think of this. It's coming to mind even as I'm speaking. 210 00:17:27.160 --> 00:17:33.000 Jesus is going to come to earth in flaming fire, taking vengeance on them that know, 211 00:17:33.000 --> 00:17:38.520 not God, and obey not the gospel of our Lord Jesus Christ, who will be punished with everlasting 212 00:17:38.520 --> 00:17:44.920 destruction from the presence of the Lord and the glory of His power. So this is the Jesus 213 00:17:45.960 --> 00:17:51.560 of the New Testament. Yes. So what I've tried to do in the book that we're talking about, 214 00:17:51.560 --> 00:17:58.280 the eclipse of God is to help people to wake up and to see reality, the reality as revealed 215 00:17:58.280 --> 00:18:02.920 in the scriptures. Here's what we have done with God as a nation. We have domesticated him. 216 00:18:03.720 --> 00:18:11.400 We have brought him down to become a sin-friendly God. We have molded him in our own image, 217 00:18:12.200 --> 00:18:20.680 and so he's the God that everybody can like. He's not the God of wrath. He's not the God of redemption. 218 00:18:21.960 --> 00:18:26.920 People imagine this. Okay. Those who say, and I discuss this in the book, those who say, 219 00:18:26.920 --> 00:18:33.080 well, I'm into spirituality, but I don't believe anything specific. What are you saying? 220 00:18:34.360 --> 00:18:39.800 You are saying you come to a God that is in your consciousness. You call him God, 221 00:18:40.840 --> 00:18:47.000 and really it's a God of your own making. The God of the Bible, you just don't come to him without 222 00:18:47.000 --> 00:18:55.800 a mediator and without a sacrifice. You need Christ. So our society has left the God of the Bible, 223 00:18:55.800 --> 00:19:02.040 and we've come up with a God that everybody can live with, the God that is very, very sin-friendly. 224 00:19:02.840 --> 00:19:08.520 And what I attempt to do, and in the rest of the book, I show that God is necessary for truth, 225 00:19:09.400 --> 00:19:16.760 and for law, and for things such as morality. In fact, Jack, it comes to mind, and I don't want to 226 00:19:16.760 --> 00:19:21.800 monopolize the conversation here. No, keep going by all means, please. But in the chapter on truth, 227 00:19:22.360 --> 00:19:28.120 I try to help parents to understand why it is that when they send their kids to university, 228 00:19:28.600 --> 00:19:35.560 they say back, they say, our kids come back, and they think differently than we do. 229 00:19:36.200 --> 00:19:42.600 Yes, they sure do. And the reason is there was a time in America that would have been before 230 00:19:42.600 --> 00:19:48.760 the time when men could have babies. There was a time in America when we believe that truth 231 00:19:48.760 --> 00:19:55.160 existed outside of ourselves. It was a search that was objective. We might argue as to whether 232 00:19:55.160 --> 00:20:04.200 or not we got there, or how we got there. But today, truth is internalized. So it's how I feel, 233 00:20:04.920 --> 00:20:12.680 so I don't feel that this is right. I don't feel that this is just, I feel that compassion 234 00:20:13.560 --> 00:20:21.000 should motivate our ethic. And so we should be compassionate toward, say, Saint-Sex marriage, 235 00:20:21.000 --> 00:20:29.400 or whatever. And people don't realize that compassion and love can be evil. When Adam and Eve 236 00:20:29.400 --> 00:20:35.560 sinned in the garden, they didn't stop loving. They just started to love the wrong things, 237 00:20:35.560 --> 00:20:43.560 lovers of pleasure, lovers of money, lovers of self. So when we hear love is love, that can be 238 00:20:43.560 --> 00:20:51.480 very deceitful. Love rejoices in the truth, the Bible says. So I tease out what the whole 239 00:20:51.480 --> 00:20:58.920 implications are when the locus of truth is moves from something that is objective outside of us. 240 00:20:59.800 --> 00:21:05.880 And it becomes within us. And then I point out five characteristics of biblical truth. 241 00:21:06.600 --> 00:21:12.920 I find this fascinating. And everybody will remember the story. Jesus is standing before 242 00:21:12.920 --> 00:21:19.640 Pilate. And Jesus says, for this cause I came into the world, for this cause I was born, 243 00:21:19.640 --> 00:21:25.960 for this cause I came into the world to bear witness to the truth. Jesus didn't say I came to 244 00:21:25.960 --> 00:21:32.360 make people feel better, even though we thank God that he does. And Pilate says, what is truth? And 245 00:21:32.360 --> 00:21:37.960 then Pilate leaves. And he goes out and talks to the mob. And he doesn't wait for the answer. 246 00:21:38.760 --> 00:21:47.480 Here's the thing. Pilate learned that you can kill a man, but you can't kill truth. 247 00:21:49.240 --> 00:21:56.360 And truth has to come from God. All lies come from Satan. All truth comes from God. 248 00:21:57.160 --> 00:22:02.760 There was a philosopher by the name of Augustine who lived in the three and four hundreds. And he 249 00:22:02.760 --> 00:22:07.880 showed that if you believe that two plus two is equal to four, you really have to believe in 250 00:22:07.880 --> 00:22:13.720 God. Now that gets quite philosophical. But then I show this. And here's my plea to the people 251 00:22:13.720 --> 00:22:22.840 who are listening. It says in Proverbs chapter 23 verse 23, buy the truth and sell it not. 252 00:22:24.040 --> 00:22:29.320 And so if there's somebody out there trying to wonder whether or not they can go along with 253 00:22:29.320 --> 00:22:34.600 a culture, I'm going to ask them a question. For those who are Christians, let me begin there. 254 00:22:34.600 --> 00:22:42.920 You've bought the truth at what price are you willing to sell it? I had a businessman text me 255 00:22:43.640 --> 00:22:50.280 sometime ago and he said, can I sign this and without violating my conscience? It was whether or 256 00:22:50.280 --> 00:22:57.240 not he was comfortable with multiple pronouns. Well, I point out in the book that if your son is 257 00:22:57.240 --> 00:23:02.840 born Bert and wants to be called Betty, you can call him Betty because names aren't gendered. 258 00:23:03.560 --> 00:23:11.640 But if Bert wants to be called a she, if you're authentic, you have to explain, I'm sorry, 259 00:23:11.640 --> 00:23:18.680 I can't do that. I can't violate my conscience by telling you that you are something that I deeply 260 00:23:18.680 --> 00:23:26.920 believe you aren't. So these are the kinds of issues that we are facing today. And the question 261 00:23:27.000 --> 00:23:32.520 is whether or not we're willing to get back to biblical truth or the truth of popular culture, 262 00:23:32.520 --> 00:23:40.280 which says, oh, I have my truth and you have your truth, which is of course absurdity. 263 00:23:41.240 --> 00:23:46.040 You know, in another book I've written, I point out that in one of our universities, they say, 264 00:23:46.040 --> 00:23:50.440 if you believe that mathematics has only one answer, you're racist. 265 00:23:50.920 --> 00:23:59.080 Okay, you go to the bank and you say, yeah, I have a thousand dollars and they say, well, that's 266 00:23:59.080 --> 00:24:06.520 your truth. Our truth is you only have 500. So here's the point. We're living in a day 267 00:24:07.240 --> 00:24:14.680 when insanity has to be accepted. And I'd point that out in that chapter how people today are 268 00:24:14.760 --> 00:24:21.560 actually believing contradictions. And they have to be comfortable with it as in George R. Wells 269 00:24:21.560 --> 00:24:27.480 1984, where Winston was told that two plus two is equal to five. Sometimes it's equal to three. 270 00:24:28.520 --> 00:24:35.400 But the most scary thing is that novel ends by saying Winston loved big brother. 271 00:24:36.200 --> 00:24:46.920 So the burden of the book and that chapter is, let's get back to the truth that is in God's word. 272 00:24:46.920 --> 00:24:54.040 And as you know, every chapter ends with a declaration of dependence and an action step. I want 273 00:24:54.040 --> 00:24:58.680 people to be able to read this book. I know that parts of it are quite philosophical, but I think 274 00:24:58.680 --> 00:25:04.120 anyone can read it. I want people to be able to read this book and then to ask themselves the 275 00:25:04.120 --> 00:25:12.520 question, what can I do in light of what I've learned? Yeah. So good. In chapter seven, you write 276 00:25:12.520 --> 00:25:18.760 the title is returning to the God of truth, not truthiness. And I love that. Speaking to truth 277 00:25:18.760 --> 00:25:29.160 in a world of lies, you mentioned earlier at the start there about sin. I found this in epiphany. 278 00:25:29.160 --> 00:25:35.800 We were on a tour with the church and we had just left Israel. We had an extension 279 00:25:35.800 --> 00:25:40.200 and we were in Corinth, Greece. I'm sure you've been there. And as we were there before, 280 00:25:40.920 --> 00:25:44.760 the Beema seat and we were teaching and all, there were the vendors. There were the 281 00:25:45.720 --> 00:25:53.560 souvenir vendors. And they're peddling these deities that have been frankly peddled there for 282 00:25:53.560 --> 00:26:00.200 thousands of years. And it dawned on me. Wow. Here we just got then talking about the righteousness 283 00:26:00.200 --> 00:26:07.560 of God and how we want to finish our race well. So our target is heaven. And we leave behind those 284 00:26:07.560 --> 00:26:13.800 things that would so easily ensnare us and set our sights forth. And then as we're leaving 285 00:26:13.800 --> 00:26:19.160 the teaching and the site, you've got to somehow go through the gauntlet of these peddlers to get to 286 00:26:19.240 --> 00:26:27.640 the bus. And every form of Greek or Roman or Babylonian God and its icons were represented. 287 00:26:28.280 --> 00:26:36.600 And it dawned on me. All the gods of man's creation always condone what he wants. If you don't want 288 00:26:36.600 --> 00:26:43.880 what Diana gives you, that's okay. You can go pick Zeus or you can go pick Eshtar or anybody 289 00:26:43.880 --> 00:26:51.160 else. I had just found it enlightening. Man will always pick the God or gods that gives him the 290 00:26:51.160 --> 00:26:57.560 permission to do what his flesh wants to do. And the Lord comes along and says, your flesh needs to die. 291 00:26:58.280 --> 00:27:03.800 You need to walk in the spirit. And what's saddened your heart in mind is that you and I live in an 292 00:27:03.800 --> 00:27:11.560 age right now, shockingly so fast, where you're the chapters of your book. There are pastors 293 00:27:12.120 --> 00:27:18.360 who would preach against your chapters. They would say, no, no, no, no. God is tolerant and no 294 00:27:18.360 --> 00:27:25.160 matter what you say, he's tolerant. But when we use a different dictionary than what God has given us, 295 00:27:25.160 --> 00:27:30.760 we really get into trouble. Everybody in religion and or Christianity will talk about grace. 296 00:27:30.760 --> 00:27:36.520 They'll talk about love. They'll talk about repentance. But what dictionary are they using? 297 00:27:36.600 --> 00:27:42.200 And that causes me great concern because in chapter six, you talk about, is God more tolerant 298 00:27:42.200 --> 00:27:47.080 than he used to be? Well, I got to stop and ask somebody, what do you mean by tolerance? 299 00:27:47.800 --> 00:27:53.320 And that's that's the sad answer that we get. You know, Jack, you know, you mentioning Greece and so 300 00:27:53.320 --> 00:28:00.120 forth. Have you been to Turkey? Have you been to Ephesus? Yes. Do you remember when you leave Ephesus 301 00:28:00.760 --> 00:28:10.200 where the buses are? You go through all of these stores and one of them has genuine fake watches 302 00:28:10.200 --> 00:28:17.720 for sale. It's true. That is true. I refer to that in the book, genuine fake watches. And there 303 00:28:17.720 --> 00:28:23.880 are many Christians in our churches who are genuine fakes. In other words, everybody believes that 304 00:28:24.120 --> 00:28:29.800 they are and you know, these watches, they look like the real thing. Yeah, they do. In fact, 305 00:28:29.800 --> 00:28:36.520 they have coins that go back to the time of Rome. Now, they're actually manufactured in Turkey today, 306 00:28:36.520 --> 00:28:43.880 but they look old and they are genuine fakes. And there are people today who are genuine fakes. 307 00:28:43.880 --> 00:28:50.680 Nobody knows that they're fake, but they are genuine fakes. And so we have to challenge people 308 00:28:50.680 --> 00:28:57.480 along those lines. Now, something else that I think is very important for us to understand is that 309 00:28:58.120 --> 00:29:05.640 in the midst of all of this, what we have to do is to always exalt Christ and to help people to 310 00:29:05.640 --> 00:29:13.560 understand why he alone is the way, the truth, and the life. And to your point about all the 311 00:29:13.560 --> 00:29:21.160 gods that you encountered there in Corinth that you spoke about, unbelief will always find 312 00:29:21.160 --> 00:29:27.880 what it is looking for. And one other comment, because you raised the issue of pastors. 313 00:29:29.480 --> 00:29:34.360 I want every pastor and everyone to listen to me at this point. Hope that they've been listening 314 00:29:34.360 --> 00:29:42.920 up until now. The big issue of our culture and in evangelical churches is this. Will we critique 315 00:29:43.000 --> 00:29:55.000 the culture based on the Bible? Or will we interpret the Bible in light of the lens of culture? 316 00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:02.600 And that's why you see many evangelical churches giving the culture basically what the culture 317 00:30:02.600 --> 00:30:09.480 wants because they are critiquing the Bible now based on culture. They say, well, you know, 318 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:15.240 this was Old Testament. This was New Testament thousands of years ago. We have to change that and 319 00:30:15.240 --> 00:30:21.240 we have to update what the Bible actually says. And one other thing that's a burden to me. 320 00:30:21.880 --> 00:30:26.360 And one of the reasons Jack, I love to hear you preach is because I think that you are balanced 321 00:30:26.360 --> 00:30:34.280 in this area when so many aren't. What you find is even among good evangelicals, there's such an 322 00:30:34.280 --> 00:30:43.640 emphasis on the love of God, which we need to hear about. But no emphasis at all on the wrath of 323 00:30:43.640 --> 00:30:54.120 God. So what we have is true preaching, but it's unbalanced. Talk about the love of God and we 324 00:30:54.120 --> 00:30:59.880 don't understand the grace of God unless we understand the wrath of God. That's why I have that 325 00:30:59.880 --> 00:31:06.440 last chapter. You'd be surprised at the number of Americans who believe that they deserve grace. 326 00:31:06.440 --> 00:31:13.720 Well, if you deserve grace, it wouldn't be grace. That's right. So we have to help people to understand 327 00:31:13.720 --> 00:31:21.720 what the Bible has to say. And it is so critical that we get back to God's word and not the words 328 00:31:21.960 --> 00:31:32.840 of man. So good. What do you think, Dr. Lutzard? What do you think there's such a drought in the, 329 00:31:32.840 --> 00:31:42.920 I'll just speak for America, the American pulpit. If I, if I'm down Tennessee way, Carolina, 330 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:49.320 even Texas, areas of the deep south where you would, we used to know it as the Bible belt and 331 00:31:49.400 --> 00:31:54.840 had this reputation. There's a church on every corner, but there's only five cars in each 332 00:31:54.840 --> 00:31:59.880 of the parking lots now, you know? And so when you stop and ask somebody, hey, what's going on? 333 00:31:59.880 --> 00:32:07.160 Where's what's happening on Sunday in this town? Everybody's going over to the church where it 334 00:32:07.160 --> 00:32:13.480 is. There's a lot of performance. There's a lot of noise. There's a lot of aren't you great? You 335 00:32:13.640 --> 00:32:23.160 are really something. You're spectacular. And it's almost as though that ministers today are avoiding 336 00:32:23.160 --> 00:32:29.800 these loftier things of God that you do such a great job in the book to point out are his holy 337 00:32:29.800 --> 00:32:36.760 attributes. The wrath of God is not God losing his temper. The wrath of God is not wrong. The wrath 338 00:32:36.760 --> 00:32:42.920 of God is holy, but man has viewed it as some sort of, well, God just lost his temper. You know, 339 00:32:42.920 --> 00:32:49.480 when you read that part, can you talk to us as to what's happening in the American pulpit today 340 00:32:49.480 --> 00:32:55.720 by and large? You know, when I discuss what happened in Europe and Nietzsche's funeral for God, 341 00:32:55.720 --> 00:32:59.800 I say that there are three very important lessons we must learn. Number one, 342 00:33:00.680 --> 00:33:07.480 we cannot take the existence of our churches for granted. You can come to, you know, our good friend 343 00:33:08.280 --> 00:33:13.560 Frank Turk asks, have you ever noticed that there is no first Baptist church in North Korea? 344 00:33:14.520 --> 00:33:20.840 My wife and I were in Albania. I ministered there. Communism shut down all the churches in the 60s, 345 00:33:20.840 --> 00:33:26.920 70s and 80s. So we must recognize. So what are the lessons? Number one, we can't take the 346 00:33:26.920 --> 00:33:35.640 existence of our churches for granted. Number two, and this is to your point. What happens is churches 347 00:33:35.640 --> 00:33:42.120 make one concession and compromise after another. And they think, well, I can stop at a certain 348 00:33:42.120 --> 00:33:48.760 place. We can compromise here. But once they start down that road, there is no stopping place. 349 00:33:48.760 --> 00:33:54.360 And then the other thing that ought to bring tears to our eyes is this that even good men and 350 00:33:54.360 --> 00:34:03.320 women are willing to compromise if the pressure is great enough. And we have to be careful 351 00:34:03.400 --> 00:34:07.960 in not being too critical because we don't know what we would do under those circumstances. 352 00:34:07.960 --> 00:34:14.920 But to your point, one other thing, if you read my book, you probably read about Hitler's idea, 353 00:34:14.920 --> 00:34:18.760 it was absolutely brilliant. It didn't work too well, but it was a brilliant idea. 354 00:34:19.720 --> 00:34:26.760 And the idea was to take British soldiers who had been killed, take their uniforms, put them on 355 00:34:26.760 --> 00:34:34.440 Germans. So the Germans could go to allied territory because they had British uniforms and 356 00:34:34.440 --> 00:34:39.800 create havoc. They changed road signs. They spread rumors, et cetera, et cetera. Now the reason 357 00:34:39.800 --> 00:34:46.040 it didn't work too well is because these Germans, even though they spoke English, still had a German 358 00:34:46.040 --> 00:34:53.480 accent. But here's the point about false teachers. They wear the uniform of Christianity, 359 00:34:54.440 --> 00:35:01.640 but they are actually undermining Christianity. And so what you have in the church today is often 360 00:35:01.640 --> 00:35:09.160 the infiltration of false teachers who give the impression that they are Christians. They have the 361 00:35:09.160 --> 00:35:16.200 uniform, but they're actually working for the enemy. So what I tried to do in the book is to help 362 00:35:16.200 --> 00:35:23.960 people to understand that we're always living in a very great danger zone because human nature 363 00:35:23.960 --> 00:35:32.680 will always gravitate to whatever human nature wants. And human nature delights in false teachers. 364 00:35:34.280 --> 00:35:43.880 Yeah. It does that thing to the ear that is not attuned to the voice of Jesus, 365 00:35:43.880 --> 00:35:50.600 has no desire for the voice of Jesus, but a stranger, a false shepherd will come along and 366 00:35:50.600 --> 00:35:58.200 speak things that will just satisfy their yearning longing ears. It's tragic. And yet 367 00:35:59.320 --> 00:36:05.560 what you are describing, none of us should be surprised. If we've read, not only the gospels, 368 00:36:05.560 --> 00:36:13.640 but the epistles and predominantly first and second Timothy, we were warned by the scriptures 369 00:36:13.640 --> 00:36:21.560 of the last days, manifestation of increasing deception among those that are pulpitiers or those 370 00:36:21.560 --> 00:36:28.760 that are dwelling or moving in the areas of spirituality. And to the point, I mean, my goodness, 371 00:36:28.760 --> 00:36:34.040 Dr. Luther, could you imagine? Right now we see things in the US where people are deceiving 372 00:36:34.760 --> 00:36:41.800 others by what they say. Can you imagine if the deception begins to come in such a way that Jesus 373 00:36:41.800 --> 00:36:47.240 said, there's going to be signs and wonders that are going to be performed by what you and I know 374 00:36:47.240 --> 00:36:54.920 to be demonic powers. And I love this. I love the, I love how he said it this way because there's 375 00:36:54.920 --> 00:37:04.920 a qualifier that if it were possible, even the very elect would be deceived. So I thank God 376 00:37:04.920 --> 00:37:12.600 for that, that if. But the deception, is it safe for me to say that there's deception out there. 377 00:37:12.600 --> 00:37:18.600 It's increasing, but we ain't seen nothing yet. Yeah, as a matter of fact, you know, as you were 378 00:37:18.600 --> 00:37:24.600 talking, I was thinking of your reference to the book of Timothy, first and second Timothy, 379 00:37:25.160 --> 00:37:31.080 it's as this that there will be false teachers who will teach according to their desires. 380 00:37:32.120 --> 00:37:39.720 So I know I also write about desire driven theology. Yes, desire driven theology is the kind of 381 00:37:39.720 --> 00:37:46.920 theology that I want, the kind of God that I want. And so that's what we are living and that's what 382 00:37:46.920 --> 00:37:54.600 we are up against. So what we want to do is to encourage people to make sure that their church 383 00:37:54.600 --> 00:38:02.760 is on a solid foundation, balanced, preaching the gospel, doing so with brokenness and humility, 384 00:38:02.760 --> 00:38:10.040 not judgmental spirit, but a recognition that we are all desperate sinners, but that Jesus, 385 00:38:10.760 --> 00:38:18.520 like it is often said, if you're a great sinner, we have a great savior. And so we give our lives 386 00:38:18.520 --> 00:38:25.560 to him. And we also recognize that here in America, we've had freedom to be able to do that. And 387 00:38:26.360 --> 00:38:32.840 this is not a part of the podcast we could do one on the whole issue of whether or not politics is 388 00:38:32.840 --> 00:38:38.680 important. Well, the fact is this that it's important for us to recognize that the first 389 00:38:38.680 --> 00:38:46.360 responsibility of the church is evangelism and discipleship. But the reason that politics is 390 00:38:46.360 --> 00:38:52.680 important is that freedom is important so that we can evangelize and we can do discipleship. 391 00:38:53.400 --> 00:39:00.120 So that's really the goal of all things. So I'm so appreciative of the fact that we've had this 392 00:39:00.120 --> 00:39:08.920 opportunity to talk. And I want to say again, Jack, that I just am excited about the opportunity 393 00:39:08.920 --> 00:39:17.240 of coming to your church, sharing with your congregation, uplifting them, reminding them that God 394 00:39:17.240 --> 00:39:24.040 is God and that even though we experience any clips of God as a nation, God is always faithful 395 00:39:24.680 --> 00:39:32.920 to His people. And so we rejoice in that. Amen. Well, listen, it's going to be amazing. And here's 396 00:39:32.920 --> 00:39:42.040 what's fun about the title of your book is the fact that it says on the cover, the Eclipse of God. 397 00:39:43.480 --> 00:39:48.040 And I would like to just put it this way to those of you who are watching us right now together 398 00:39:48.040 --> 00:39:54.280 is that you can attempt to do this. You can attempt to do this. You're not going to succeed. 399 00:39:55.400 --> 00:40:01.720 In fact, the God of the Bible, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is the one who says in the book of Isaiah, 400 00:40:02.280 --> 00:40:08.120 chapter one, verse 18, come let us reason together and that Hebrew word is come. Let's argue. 401 00:40:08.120 --> 00:40:13.960 I love that. God is saying you want to you want to talk about who's God, how it all ends? 402 00:40:14.840 --> 00:40:21.400 Let's talk it out. And the word means to actually argue your case before God. And I could only say to 403 00:40:21.400 --> 00:40:27.640 you good luck with that because he's going to win every time Jacob knew something about that. 404 00:40:28.920 --> 00:40:33.800 But the Eclipse of God can only be attempted. It can never be achieved because 405 00:40:33.800 --> 00:40:39.160 I have to just break into what you're saying. One of the things that I point out is that 406 00:40:39.800 --> 00:40:44.920 the Eclipse of the sun does not affect the sun. It shines just as brightly as ever. 407 00:40:45.960 --> 00:40:52.520 And if something else, the moon has no light of its own. It's only a reflection of the sun. 408 00:40:53.480 --> 00:41:01.320 Secularism has no power that God does not allow it to have. So God remains in charge. 409 00:41:02.120 --> 00:41:08.760 And the moon seems to us to be as big as the sun. But I also point out the reason for that. 410 00:41:09.560 --> 00:41:16.760 Is because the moon actually is much smaller than the sun. It's 400 times smaller because it is 400 411 00:41:16.760 --> 00:41:24.440 times closer to us than the sun. So when you look at secularism, you say, oh, it is powerful. It's 412 00:41:24.440 --> 00:41:33.800 overtaking. Always compare it with God. And you'll be greatly encouraged because God is still 413 00:41:33.800 --> 00:41:42.600 God. And at the end of the day, remember that when the darkness comes, the sun is still shining. 414 00:41:42.600 --> 00:41:52.200 Amen. Amen. Yeah. People, your life, my life, our lives go through some tremendous difficulties. 415 00:41:52.200 --> 00:41:59.320 I know that the believer and the nonbeliever we deal with death and we deal with pain and we 416 00:41:59.320 --> 00:42:06.520 deal with sorrow. But we want to introduce you or invite you to consider Jesus. In fact, 417 00:42:06.520 --> 00:42:14.120 while Dr. Luther was speaking, he reminded me of a dialogue I had on a Southern California 418 00:42:14.120 --> 00:42:20.600 University campus where we set up a table and we just had bibles and we were talking to people 419 00:42:20.600 --> 00:42:30.280 passing by. And I remember this young man, I think his name was actually Mo. He called himself Mo, 420 00:42:30.280 --> 00:42:37.720 which I'm sure was short for Mohammed. He said, I'm a Muslim and I love the Christian message. 421 00:42:37.720 --> 00:42:44.200 I said, that's great. And Dr. Luther to your point, there's those who acquiesce or confess, 422 00:42:44.200 --> 00:42:51.320 that's good. That's nice. But in this case, he said, the Christian message, the biblical message 423 00:42:51.320 --> 00:42:58.840 is so much better than the Muslim message. He said, there's no doubt about it. He said, the problem 424 00:42:58.840 --> 00:43:06.440 is your message isn't true. And the Muslim message is. And I said, well, how does that work out 425 00:43:06.440 --> 00:43:15.560 for you in life? What do you do? Mo, when you sin, what do you do? He said, I work that off. 426 00:43:15.560 --> 00:43:20.920 I work that sin off. And I said, do you have the assurance of eternal life? He said, no, no one 427 00:43:20.920 --> 00:43:27.080 has the assurance of eternal life. It's impossible to have. And I said, is this true that even when 428 00:43:27.080 --> 00:43:35.000 a Muslim blows himself up in martyrdom, that there are those who will be video recording it, 429 00:43:35.000 --> 00:43:43.800 and the words stated in Arabic is may, may Allah accept him. I said, is it true that that's 430 00:43:43.800 --> 00:43:49.960 even in doubt? Oh, he said absolutely. And I said, how do you find peace? How do you have 431 00:43:50.600 --> 00:43:57.640 the forgiveness of sins and the presence of peace? And he said, I have to wait and see about that. 432 00:43:57.640 --> 00:44:04.040 Well, you guys today, Dr. Luther made it very clear. There's a lot of religions. And listen, 433 00:44:05.000 --> 00:44:10.360 like Cias Lewis says, there are some that are closer to the truth, some further away, 434 00:44:10.360 --> 00:44:15.720 but Lewis points out those that are closer to the truth, they may have elements of the truth, 435 00:44:15.720 --> 00:44:22.040 but they are not the truth. Christianity is the truth. And we're not shaking our pompoms cheering 436 00:44:22.040 --> 00:44:28.520 on Christianity because we're on that team. God rescued us out of a pit of my recentful play. 437 00:44:29.080 --> 00:44:34.600 We were lost in our sins and God began to get ahold of us. And he can do the same thing to you. 438 00:44:35.240 --> 00:44:41.480 I love what Dr. Luther pointed out about the great sinner has a great savior. People will ask me, 439 00:44:42.040 --> 00:44:48.440 Jack, you know, you're so animated and enthusiastic about God. This is true. I'm not animated and 440 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:56.360 enthusiastic about any other topic. I'm enthusiastic about God because I know the level of my sin. 441 00:44:56.360 --> 00:45:02.040 I know the depth of my sin and what he rescued me from. When you realize that you've sined so 442 00:45:02.040 --> 00:45:10.040 greatly and then you hear the gospel that you are granted a gift to be able to bring your sin to God 443 00:45:10.040 --> 00:45:16.840 and he imparts you at Christ merit, really, his righteousness. It's this great exchange that God 444 00:45:16.840 --> 00:45:21.160 delights in. Friend, there's no way that you could have sinned so far that's beyond the reach of 445 00:45:21.160 --> 00:45:26.600 God. The point is you need to turn to him even now. And don't let sin, don't let your life or 446 00:45:26.600 --> 00:45:34.040 anybody else eclipse God in your life. So I want everyone to get this book and please know this 447 00:45:34.040 --> 00:45:39.800 everybody. And I hope you trust us by now if you've been listening to us long enough. We only 448 00:45:39.800 --> 00:45:44.360 bring to you the best. It's a big deal in my life to bring to you the best. We stay away from 449 00:45:44.360 --> 00:45:50.840 weird stuff. That's why you're seen in hearing this promotion of this book. Get it. In fact, 450 00:45:50.840 --> 00:45:57.240 get it through Amazon. I think that writer, you okay with that? Yeah, Amazon or Christian book.com, 451 00:45:57.240 --> 00:46:03.960 they have a wonderful sale. And either way, they can get it wherever books are sold. But Amazon 452 00:46:03.960 --> 00:46:11.480 Christian book.com, that's the way the book can be purchased. Yeah, amen. I personally like you 453 00:46:11.480 --> 00:46:16.760 guys to go to Amazon for this reason. It's a seconder organization and when they see a Christian 454 00:46:16.760 --> 00:46:23.000 book sell big, it actually tamperes with their algorithm with their computer systems. 455 00:46:23.000 --> 00:46:28.040 Because the computer systems say, wow, this is a this book's awesome. We need to move it up the list 456 00:46:29.000 --> 00:46:33.640 and it goes up the list and then people open up Amazon and they say, wow, this is a big selling 457 00:46:33.640 --> 00:46:38.840 book. And it's written by a Christian, a Christian who loves you, telling you the truth. More than 458 00:46:38.840 --> 00:46:45.240 ever people, you need truth. Dr. Luxer, it's awesome to have you with us. You honored me. You 459 00:46:45.240 --> 00:46:52.280 honored our podcast by allowing us to spend some time with you. The church I'm sure is going 460 00:46:52.280 --> 00:46:56.760 to be delighted when you're here. You're going to love them by the way and bring a lot of books 461 00:46:56.760 --> 00:47:03.560 because they buy books. It's going to be a joy. We can't wait to have you. Thank you, Jack. And 462 00:47:03.560 --> 00:47:10.920 it'll be a very interesting time because half the country is going to be mad. And the other half 463 00:47:10.920 --> 00:47:16.680 is going to be glad. Assuming we will know who the next president will be. So that's the time 464 00:47:16.680 --> 00:47:26.840 to attend church. And remember that God is God and we aren't always always true. God bless you, 465 00:47:26.840 --> 00:47:33.080 my brother. Thank you so very much. We love you. Can't wait to see you and everybody get out there 466 00:47:33.080 --> 00:47:39.400 and buy the book and be blessed by it. In Jesus name. Amen. Thank you, sir. God bless you, Jack. God 467 00:47:39.400 --> 00:47:45.480 bless. Look forward to seeing you. Amen. Hey, well, listen, like always, we believe that it's time 468 00:47:45.480 --> 00:47:51.080 for you to live out what you believe in. It's time for real life. And so we hope that this program 469 00:47:51.080 --> 00:47:58.520 has blessed you today. Remember, the best thing that you could do for us is for you to not only share 470 00:47:59.640 --> 00:48:05.160 this podcast with others, but if you could give us a rating and just encourage others to 471 00:48:05.800 --> 00:48:11.000 watch what we're doing. Notice, I hope you've noticed that we don't plead with you. We don't 472 00:48:11.000 --> 00:48:16.520 bother you. We want you to simply, simply, which is the greatest, greatest thing that we could see 473 00:48:17.640 --> 00:48:23.560 is for you to tell others and spread the word. And so it matters to us. So listen, 474 00:48:23.560 --> 00:48:29.800 until next time, God bless you guys and be looking up. Christ is coming. But stay tuned until 475 00:48:29.800 --> 00:48:34.920 he does to hear more truth right here at the Jack Gibbs podcast. God bless. Thanks.