WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.880 Real life presents the Jack Hibbs Podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.880 --> 00:00:09.440 truth, equip the saints, and impact our culture. 3 00:00:09.440 --> 00:00:12.440 Hey you guys, we're going to be doing our best with the time that we have to talk about 4 00:00:12.440 --> 00:00:15.920 what is Christian nationalism and who can define it. 5 00:00:15.920 --> 00:00:20.920 Let's find out. 6 00:00:20.920 --> 00:00:27.320 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. 7 00:00:27.320 --> 00:00:33.320 Today, if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, 8 00:00:33.320 --> 00:00:36.560 then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. 9 00:00:36.560 --> 00:00:43.160 To us, that's like saying, amen or yes, then that rating will encourage others to listen. 10 00:00:43.160 --> 00:00:46.640 Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. 11 00:00:46.640 --> 00:00:49.880 Here is Jack Hibbs. 12 00:00:49.880 --> 00:00:51.720 Hey everybody, first of all, welcome. 13 00:00:51.720 --> 00:00:58.120 I want to thank you guys for being so sweet to me by sending me notes and stopping me literally 14 00:00:58.120 --> 00:01:00.360 in stores and in malls at the beach. 15 00:01:00.360 --> 00:01:01.920 I'm not kidding. 16 00:01:01.920 --> 00:01:07.560 In the number one comment that I get from people, especially young people, is not the Sunday 17 00:01:07.560 --> 00:01:13.440 sermon, not the real life network, not the radio broadcasts that were syndicated almost 18 00:01:13.440 --> 00:01:16.560 on a thousand stations nationally, which is amazing. 19 00:01:16.560 --> 00:01:25.440 All this not ABC new, not ABC or Fox broadcast by far podcast, podcast, especially among young 20 00:01:25.440 --> 00:01:26.440 people. 21 00:01:26.440 --> 00:01:28.640 So thank you, thank you, thank you. 22 00:01:28.640 --> 00:01:33.200 Always hit subscribe, give us five star and share it with others. 23 00:01:33.200 --> 00:01:36.480 But this is going to be like because I don't even have time. 24 00:01:36.480 --> 00:01:39.840 I shouldn't even be starting this podcast because I'm already out of time. 25 00:01:39.840 --> 00:01:43.800 But let's just get this started right now if you would. 26 00:01:43.800 --> 00:01:48.040 So the issue, how do you call it an issue? 27 00:01:48.040 --> 00:01:49.040 The entertainment. 28 00:01:49.040 --> 00:01:50.040 Can I do it this way? 29 00:01:50.040 --> 00:01:54.880 And I'm going to be extra sarcastic today just because this, this, this, this really makes 30 00:01:54.880 --> 00:02:01.840 me happy to talk about is the watch this, are you ready? 31 00:02:01.840 --> 00:02:02.960 Especially pastors out there. 32 00:02:02.960 --> 00:02:04.680 Are you ready? 33 00:02:04.680 --> 00:02:09.560 The conversation going on around our nation that's heating up and it's going to heat up 34 00:02:09.560 --> 00:02:11.920 until November 4th. 35 00:02:11.920 --> 00:02:14.280 And that is Christian nationalism. 36 00:02:14.280 --> 00:02:18.680 Oh, Christian nationalism. 37 00:02:18.680 --> 00:02:23.520 So listen to what, who, who is this I'm reading? 38 00:02:23.520 --> 00:02:24.760 Google. 39 00:02:24.760 --> 00:02:27.000 Listen to this. 40 00:02:27.000 --> 00:02:33.560 Before I read Google's definition of Christian nationalism, I want to, I want to have you 41 00:02:33.560 --> 00:02:38.480 write down what you think Christian nationalism is, define it. 42 00:02:38.480 --> 00:02:46.400 And by the way, by all means go ahead because you'll have just as much of authority to define 43 00:02:46.400 --> 00:02:52.000 it as CNN does or Politico, why? 44 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.240 Because nobody is defining it rightly. 45 00:02:56.240 --> 00:03:04.280 I have not yet heard an accurate definition of Christian nationalism yet. 46 00:03:04.280 --> 00:03:12.080 It should give you a warning about, it's kind of, it's kind of COVID-esque, where tell 47 00:03:12.080 --> 00:03:16.400 us, experts, tell us what COVID is going to do to us. 48 00:03:16.400 --> 00:03:19.120 Okay, hey, you experts over there. 49 00:03:19.120 --> 00:03:23.200 Tell us what COVID is going to do to us and they're all giving you different answers. 50 00:03:23.200 --> 00:03:25.360 This is so hilarious. 51 00:03:26.080 --> 00:03:37.320 NBC, Fox, CBS, CNN, the Atlantic, New York Times, LA Times, the Chicago Sun, all of them 52 00:03:37.320 --> 00:03:41.200 have different definitions of what a Christian national is. 53 00:03:41.200 --> 00:03:42.360 You know what that means? 54 00:03:42.360 --> 00:03:44.800 It means nobody knows who it is. 55 00:03:44.800 --> 00:03:54.080 Okay, so here's Google's, I think it's Google's, we're talking about. 56 00:03:54.080 --> 00:04:06.920 A person who strongly identifies with their own nation, okay, if you're a Canadian, you 57 00:04:06.920 --> 00:04:15.080 absolutely strongly identify with your nation, even if you hate your country, all right? 58 00:04:15.080 --> 00:04:22.320 So every human being who lives in a country, strongly identifies with their country if 59 00:04:22.320 --> 00:04:28.400 they like it or not, they are citizens of that country. 60 00:04:28.400 --> 00:04:33.560 The only way they use or the only reason why you would deny that statement, even from Google 61 00:04:33.560 --> 00:04:42.320 or Wikipedia, Google is if you're a globalist, are you a globalist? 62 00:04:42.320 --> 00:04:49.360 I denounce, I denounce Islamic nationalism. 63 00:04:49.360 --> 00:04:52.800 I denounce atheistic nationalism. 64 00:04:52.800 --> 00:04:59.640 I denounce Christian nationalism, all right, fine, just to find it, because let's be honest, 65 00:04:59.640 --> 00:05:05.600 I'm going to tell you right now, I do not take the label Christian nationalists serious 66 00:05:05.600 --> 00:05:06.600 at all. 67 00:05:06.600 --> 00:05:11.800 In fact, I've really made a lot of people upset because I don't take them seriously about 68 00:05:11.800 --> 00:05:12.800 what they're talking about. 69 00:05:12.800 --> 00:05:20.600 I'm going to be on news outlets today on televised news programs, and they want to talk to me 70 00:05:20.600 --> 00:05:25.200 about Christian nationalism, I'm going to have a ball, I'm going to have a blast, I can't 71 00:05:25.200 --> 00:05:29.440 wait, because those news programs don't even know what they're talking about, it's a lot 72 00:05:29.440 --> 00:05:30.920 of fun. 73 00:05:30.920 --> 00:05:39.040 So anybody talking about Muslim nationalists, how about atheist nationalists, tell me about 74 00:05:39.040 --> 00:05:40.400 it, talk to me about it. 75 00:05:40.480 --> 00:05:44.520 What about Buddhist nationalists? 76 00:05:44.520 --> 00:05:55.880 Here's a religion for you, Marxist nationalist, socialist nationalists, Nazi nationalists. 77 00:05:55.880 --> 00:05:59.280 Why is anybody talking about that? 78 00:05:59.280 --> 00:06:04.080 There's a reason why it's being brought up right now, and there's a reason why a certain 79 00:06:04.080 --> 00:06:09.560 select group of people are defining what a Christian nationalist is, notice, I'm not 80 00:06:09.640 --> 00:06:14.760 hearing Christians define what a Christian nationalist is, because Christians, frankly, don't 81 00:06:14.760 --> 00:06:23.080 care to be painted with a paintbrush by others who don't even know who we are. 82 00:06:23.080 --> 00:06:29.520 Somehow CBS knows who we are, and yet when they define us, that's not who we are, so 83 00:06:29.520 --> 00:06:37.240 Google is saying a person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports 84 00:06:37.240 --> 00:06:41.280 its interest. 85 00:06:41.280 --> 00:06:47.840 If you're a Peruvian, and you believe in your Peruvian government, and you live in Peru, 86 00:06:47.840 --> 00:06:52.640 and you stand for Peruvian rights, more power to you. 87 00:06:52.640 --> 00:07:01.720 In fact, I just got done going through a deep dive podcast the other day about the history 88 00:07:01.720 --> 00:07:08.120 and legacy and pedigree of the Putin's. 89 00:07:08.120 --> 00:07:09.800 You mean Vladimir Putin? 90 00:07:09.800 --> 00:07:10.800 Nope. 91 00:07:10.800 --> 00:07:12.600 The Putin's. 92 00:07:12.600 --> 00:07:13.600 Did you know this? 93 00:07:13.600 --> 00:07:15.200 I didn't know this. 94 00:07:15.200 --> 00:07:21.160 That Vladimir Putin comes from a long line of Putin's. 95 00:07:21.160 --> 00:07:23.080 Do you know what the Putin's are all about? 96 00:07:23.080 --> 00:07:24.920 I didn't even know this. 97 00:07:24.920 --> 00:07:26.000 Wow. 98 00:07:26.080 --> 00:07:32.560 You need to find out why Vladimir Putin is a Russian nationalist, but no one's talking 99 00:07:32.560 --> 00:07:36.680 about that because no one cares about that. 100 00:07:36.680 --> 00:07:41.640 They care about Christian nationalists right now because they're terrified that somebody 101 00:07:41.640 --> 00:07:46.120 who owns a Bible and believes in Jesus and has a cross around their neck maybe, maybe, 102 00:07:46.120 --> 00:07:47.120 maybe not. 103 00:07:47.120 --> 00:07:54.920 They might go so far as to have a sticker on their car, but they're going to vote. 104 00:07:54.920 --> 00:07:56.840 You can't have these people voting. 105 00:07:56.840 --> 00:07:57.840 Oh my gosh. 106 00:07:57.840 --> 00:07:59.160 We've got to stop them. 107 00:07:59.160 --> 00:08:00.160 How do we? 108 00:08:00.160 --> 00:08:01.840 How can we stop them? 109 00:08:01.840 --> 00:08:07.280 Well, they strongly identify with their nationality, with their nation. 110 00:08:07.280 --> 00:08:10.400 They vigorously support that nation's interest. 111 00:08:10.400 --> 00:08:11.960 We've got to stop these people. 112 00:08:11.960 --> 00:08:22.080 Isn't it bizarre, you guys, that all the woke, whacked, nut, progressive, insane's are 113 00:08:22.080 --> 00:08:28.240 strongly identifying with their interpretation of a nation, in this case, the United States, 114 00:08:28.240 --> 00:08:35.120 and they vigorously support their interest for that nation. 115 00:08:35.120 --> 00:08:45.520 Chris Como, Don Lemon, Oprah Winfrey, they're all, listen, liberal nationalists. 116 00:08:45.520 --> 00:08:48.800 They are all progressive nationalists. 117 00:08:48.800 --> 00:08:53.040 They might even be atheist nationalists. 118 00:08:53.040 --> 00:08:56.320 But you see, they're smarter than we are when it comes to labeling people because when 119 00:08:56.320 --> 00:09:00.040 I say smarter, I say that sarcastically because they love the label. 120 00:09:00.040 --> 00:09:04.320 They have to label people that they don't, that they can't figure out. 121 00:09:04.320 --> 00:09:05.320 Okay. 122 00:09:05.320 --> 00:09:12.480 So I am, according to Congress, right, I am a white supremacist, which is hilarious, 123 00:09:12.480 --> 00:09:16.600 really, I'm 50% Portuguese. 124 00:09:16.600 --> 00:09:23.680 So does that, can I, does that make me a white supremacist or am I Portuguese supremacist? 125 00:09:23.680 --> 00:09:28.520 What am I, I don't know, how, how can you label me something when I don't even know what 126 00:09:28.520 --> 00:09:34.920 I am on and on it goes, oh, you're a Christian, you're a Christian nationalist. 127 00:09:34.920 --> 00:09:35.920 What does that mean? 128 00:09:35.920 --> 00:09:39.240 I'd like to know because I don't know what it means. 129 00:09:39.240 --> 00:09:43.400 I, I don't know what you're talking about, but check this out. 130 00:09:43.400 --> 00:09:50.440 A person who strongly identifies with their own nation and vigorously supports its interest, 131 00:09:50.440 --> 00:10:01.320 especially, listen to this, to the exclusion or detriment of the interest of other nations. 132 00:10:01.320 --> 00:10:04.720 That's the definition. 133 00:10:04.720 --> 00:10:17.960 That definition, are you telling me that I don't recognize the nationality and the interest 134 00:10:17.960 --> 00:10:20.720 of a German for the country of Germany? 135 00:10:20.720 --> 00:10:22.320 Of course I do. 136 00:10:22.320 --> 00:10:29.320 I'm not an American, I got a US passport, born and raised in Southern California. 137 00:10:29.320 --> 00:10:35.360 Do I denounce and exclude my friends that are born and raised in London? 138 00:10:35.360 --> 00:10:37.640 They're their Englishmen? 139 00:10:37.640 --> 00:10:41.840 Am I denouncing those who I know in the Philippines? 140 00:10:41.840 --> 00:10:43.160 They're Filipinos. 141 00:10:43.160 --> 00:10:50.600 I'm not excluding them, but you, not you, you guys, because normal people listen to this 142 00:10:50.600 --> 00:10:56.240 podcast, but let's say it gets out of our subscription base and it gets into the hands 143 00:10:56.240 --> 00:10:58.520 of some crackpots. 144 00:10:58.520 --> 00:11:01.640 For the record, I love Canada. 145 00:11:01.640 --> 00:11:10.320 I love Canadians and they make the best syrup and I just love going to Canada. 146 00:11:10.320 --> 00:11:12.880 You guys, listen how insane this is. 147 00:11:12.880 --> 00:11:20.440 Because the other political group is getting very nervous over the subcoming election, 148 00:11:20.440 --> 00:11:23.520 they're going to really stoke up the flames of Christian nationalism. 149 00:11:23.520 --> 00:11:30.160 Let me tell you what, let me tell you what Christian nationalism is not according to my 150 00:11:30.160 --> 00:11:31.160 definition. 151 00:11:31.160 --> 00:11:37.280 Listen, NBC has theirs. 152 00:11:37.280 --> 00:11:40.320 Well, I don't recognize yours. 153 00:11:40.320 --> 00:11:45.760 I don't identify with NBC's definition of Christian nationalism. 154 00:11:45.760 --> 00:11:47.360 I have mine. 155 00:11:47.360 --> 00:11:50.760 And I live mine based on my interpretation. 156 00:11:50.760 --> 00:11:53.960 So I'll, you know, think about that. 157 00:11:53.960 --> 00:11:58.160 You're going to, you're going to do the same, but nobody's being honest enough to say it. 158 00:11:58.160 --> 00:12:02.160 So here it is. 159 00:12:02.160 --> 00:12:12.160 I love the United States so much that I would go to war to defend it against an invader. 160 00:12:12.160 --> 00:12:17.600 When I say the United States, I don't love our politics. 161 00:12:17.600 --> 00:12:21.440 I despise our politics, we're sick. 162 00:12:21.440 --> 00:12:31.120 The US politics is ill, sick, godless and lunatic, but the United States government, as 163 00:12:31.120 --> 00:12:39.080 it's founding documents, Bill of Rights, I want to put all of you on notice. 164 00:12:39.080 --> 00:12:49.160 If you hate the Bill of Rights, I'm holding you suspect there is something wrong with you. 165 00:12:49.160 --> 00:12:58.560 If you hate the Declaration of Independence, I am not going to let you sleep over at my 166 00:12:58.560 --> 00:12:59.560 house. 167 00:12:59.560 --> 00:13:00.560 I can't trust you. 168 00:13:00.560 --> 00:13:03.040 There's something wrong with you. 169 00:13:03.040 --> 00:13:11.000 If you hate the Constitution, really, that's something really wrong with you. 170 00:13:11.000 --> 00:13:15.720 I should have dear you say that, I'll stop. 171 00:13:15.720 --> 00:13:21.040 These documents, Bill of Rights, Declaration of Independence, the US Constitution, I haven't 172 00:13:21.040 --> 00:13:23.400 even got to the Bible part yet. 173 00:13:23.400 --> 00:13:28.880 Probably won't even make it on this time constraint. 174 00:13:28.880 --> 00:13:38.640 The longest running governing documents ever to uphold a nation in world history, longer 175 00:13:38.640 --> 00:13:45.760 than the Romans, longer than the Greeks, longer than the Persians, longer than the Babylonians, 176 00:13:45.760 --> 00:13:49.880 is United States of America has been under the same governing documents longer than any 177 00:13:49.880 --> 00:13:51.800 other nation in the history of man. 178 00:13:51.800 --> 00:13:54.560 Why do you think that's so? 179 00:13:54.560 --> 00:13:57.960 Why do you think people are trying to break into the United States and live here? 180 00:13:58.440 --> 00:14:01.920 I don't see anybody trying to break into Saudi Arabia. 181 00:14:01.920 --> 00:14:06.560 No one's trying to break into Iran. 182 00:14:06.560 --> 00:14:11.040 No one's trying to break into Gaza to live there. 183 00:14:11.040 --> 00:14:12.760 Why? 184 00:14:12.760 --> 00:14:15.080 Why are people flocking? 185 00:14:15.080 --> 00:14:18.240 What, listen, legal immigration. 186 00:14:18.240 --> 00:14:26.000 Did you know that all nations of the world, annually, legal, legal, not illegal, legal, 187 00:14:26.320 --> 00:14:35.080 immigration, all of them put together, do not match the legal immigration into United States 188 00:14:35.080 --> 00:14:36.080 every year. 189 00:14:36.080 --> 00:14:39.920 Forget illegal, legal, why is that the case? 190 00:14:39.920 --> 00:14:43.160 Because people want to live here, why? 191 00:14:43.160 --> 00:14:47.000 Because of our freedoms, where did those come from? 192 00:14:47.000 --> 00:14:48.400 Read the Mayflower Compact. 193 00:14:48.400 --> 00:14:50.800 How many podcasts do I have to say that? 194 00:14:50.800 --> 00:14:52.880 Read the Mayflower Compact. 195 00:14:52.880 --> 00:14:55.800 Read documents from our founding fathers. 196 00:14:55.800 --> 00:14:57.840 They're available to you, if you care. 197 00:14:57.840 --> 00:15:03.720 But clearly our Congress is completely illiterate, ignorant, and willfully, so regarding these 198 00:15:03.720 --> 00:15:04.920 things. 199 00:15:04.920 --> 00:15:13.080 I love our nation's government that has not been politicized. 200 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:20.480 The politicalization of our government has become a tragedy, be that as it may. 201 00:15:20.480 --> 00:15:27.080 Christian nationalists would be a person who pays taxes. 202 00:15:27.080 --> 00:15:32.640 I'm a Christian, I live in this nation, I pay taxes. 203 00:15:32.640 --> 00:15:36.240 Much of those taxes I pay, I'm not happy about it, but that's okay, God made it clear in 204 00:15:36.240 --> 00:15:37.240 the Bible. 205 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.200 He's going to judge those people who do wrong with my taxes. 206 00:15:40.200 --> 00:15:48.320 So I'm okay, I'll pay taxes, and I pay every penny, by the way, just so you know that. 207 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:59.600 Christian nationalists, well, in a way, Paul the Apostle was a Israeli or Israel nationalist 208 00:15:59.600 --> 00:16:03.200 when Paul the Apostle appeared appealed to Caesar. 209 00:16:03.200 --> 00:16:08.560 He took his Roman citizenship at Cesaria and he appealed to Caesar. 210 00:16:08.560 --> 00:16:16.240 He used his political national identity to advance the gospel by appealing to Caesar, Paul 211 00:16:16.320 --> 00:16:25.680 the Apostle, leveraged his political benefit of being a Roman citizen and appealed his case 212 00:16:25.680 --> 00:16:28.320 to Caesar and Rome. 213 00:16:28.320 --> 00:16:35.080 So for example, I'm working right now on appealing my citizenship to the U.S. Supreme Court. 214 00:16:35.080 --> 00:16:39.480 Christian nationalists, Christian nationalists, go ahead and label me all you want, ain't going 215 00:16:39.480 --> 00:16:44.480 to work because I don't fall for that stuff, I'm not stupid, I may be ugly, but I'm not 216 00:16:44.480 --> 00:16:46.640 dumb. 217 00:16:46.640 --> 00:16:50.880 So don't listen Christian, don't let people frame you, frame you into a conversational 218 00:16:50.880 --> 00:16:51.880 box. 219 00:16:51.880 --> 00:16:52.880 Don't fall for that. 220 00:16:52.880 --> 00:16:56.920 Well, I'm not going to speak up pastor in my pulpit because I'm afraid of being 221 00:16:56.920 --> 00:16:58.800 labeled a Christian nationalist. 222 00:16:58.800 --> 00:17:03.160 If what, if you hold voter registration, did you know that's all you need to do now? 223 00:17:03.160 --> 00:17:07.720 Is host voter registration at your church, which is a constitutional right and freedom 224 00:17:07.720 --> 00:17:11.400 that we have and we exercise that here 52 weeks a year? 225 00:17:11.400 --> 00:17:12.800 Did you know that's legal? 226 00:17:12.800 --> 00:17:16.440 But if you're a coward, you are going to pull back from that and say, I'm not going to 227 00:17:16.440 --> 00:17:19.360 do that because I could be labeled a Christian nationalist. 228 00:17:19.360 --> 00:17:23.160 What a pathetic thing that you would allow. 229 00:17:23.160 --> 00:17:29.800 People who are lost, people who are doing everything as they label you, they're doing everything 230 00:17:29.800 --> 00:17:35.480 behind your back to destroy the Judeo-Christian foundation of this nation that was given 231 00:17:35.480 --> 00:17:36.480 to us. 232 00:17:36.480 --> 00:17:38.440 Oh, that's another thing. 233 00:17:38.440 --> 00:17:40.680 Christian nationalists want to make all of his Christians. 234 00:17:40.680 --> 00:17:41.680 No, we don't. 235 00:17:41.680 --> 00:17:42.680 Are you kidding? 236 00:17:42.680 --> 00:17:43.600 We wrote our Bible. 237 00:17:43.600 --> 00:17:45.440 Most people are going to hell. 238 00:17:45.440 --> 00:17:46.440 Did you know that? 239 00:17:46.440 --> 00:17:48.800 By Jesus said that, Bible says that. 240 00:17:48.800 --> 00:17:50.120 Most people are going to hell. 241 00:17:50.120 --> 00:17:51.120 We know that. 242 00:17:51.120 --> 00:17:56.400 We're not trying to make this a Christian nation or everybody Christian can't do that. 243 00:17:56.400 --> 00:17:58.800 We don't want a Christian government. 244 00:17:58.800 --> 00:18:01.640 We don't want a state church. 245 00:18:01.640 --> 00:18:04.000 We want what our founding fathers gave us. 246 00:18:04.000 --> 00:18:10.500 Our founding fathers were very, very particular in giving us a government that atheist and 247 00:18:10.500 --> 00:18:12.980 believers have all the exact same rights. 248 00:18:12.980 --> 00:18:15.060 Did you know that? 249 00:18:15.060 --> 00:18:18.780 By the way, I'd like to say this right now and I'm deliberately going to say this right 250 00:18:18.780 --> 00:18:21.180 now because I've basically had enough. 251 00:18:21.180 --> 00:18:24.660 I've been covering for this guy for far too long. 252 00:18:24.660 --> 00:18:29.740 There's a certain particular pastor in our region of Southern California who for decades 253 00:18:29.740 --> 00:18:34.820 told his church never to get involved in politics, never to get involved in government, 254 00:18:34.820 --> 00:18:36.380 never vote. 255 00:18:36.380 --> 00:18:37.380 It's evil. 256 00:18:37.380 --> 00:18:38.380 It's wicked. 257 00:18:38.380 --> 00:18:39.860 Stay out of it. 258 00:18:39.860 --> 00:18:43.740 And that pastor now is starting to change his tune a little bit. 259 00:18:43.740 --> 00:18:50.180 I just heard him this morning say in a Q&A, you should vote for someone who holds the closest 260 00:18:50.180 --> 00:18:54.580 Judeo-Christian worldview possible in the next election. 261 00:18:54.580 --> 00:19:01.460 Guess where he got that exact verbiage from? 262 00:19:01.460 --> 00:19:09.300 He completely disagrees with our position on everything and will not even do us the 263 00:19:09.300 --> 00:19:16.600 honor of allowing, I've asked him to speak at conferences about the rapture which he 264 00:19:16.600 --> 00:19:23.340 claims to believe in, but he told Ben Shapiro, by the way, that the Pilgrim fathers violated 265 00:19:23.340 --> 00:19:25.260 God by leaving England. 266 00:19:25.260 --> 00:19:31.580 They should have submitted to the King of England and never come here. 267 00:19:31.580 --> 00:19:36.700 That is a profoundly ignorant statement to make, especially when you use the benefits 268 00:19:36.700 --> 00:19:43.300 of the Pilgrim fathers to preach in your pulpit a freedom that was given to us by our 269 00:19:43.300 --> 00:19:45.060 Pilgrim fathers. 270 00:19:45.060 --> 00:19:50.340 Then to turn right around and to say that we must always exercise Romans 13 and be submissive 271 00:19:50.340 --> 00:19:56.620 to the government, always, and then COVID hit. 272 00:19:56.620 --> 00:20:00.940 And the county that he's in hit them hard. 273 00:20:00.940 --> 00:20:07.580 And instead of him obeying and staying consistent with what he taught about Romans 13, he was 274 00:20:07.580 --> 00:20:11.780 said, listen, the government said, shut your church down. 275 00:20:11.780 --> 00:20:15.060 According to his own preaching, he should have obeyed the government instantly and shut 276 00:20:15.060 --> 00:20:24.380 the church down, which by the way, he did and then says he didn't, but he did and claims 277 00:20:24.380 --> 00:20:25.900 that they were open the entire time. 278 00:20:25.900 --> 00:20:28.380 They were not. 279 00:20:28.420 --> 00:20:35.500 But Romans 13 says, according to him, we have to obey them. 280 00:20:35.500 --> 00:20:39.140 And then they come and they sue him. 281 00:20:39.140 --> 00:20:41.020 They sue him for parking. 282 00:20:41.020 --> 00:20:48.020 They sue him for gathering and according to his own theology, he should have paid them 283 00:20:48.020 --> 00:20:50.380 every penny that they were suing him for. 284 00:20:50.380 --> 00:20:54.060 He should submit to the government. 285 00:20:54.060 --> 00:20:56.060 Okay. 286 00:20:56.060 --> 00:20:58.860 He should submit to the government that he says you should always submit to him. 287 00:20:58.860 --> 00:21:02.260 The pilgrim fathers never should have come here because they should, they should have 288 00:21:02.260 --> 00:21:06.140 submitted to the crown of England. 289 00:21:06.140 --> 00:21:10.420 Then they turn right around and they sue the government. 290 00:21:10.420 --> 00:21:11.420 What? 291 00:21:11.420 --> 00:21:12.500 No, no, no, no. 292 00:21:12.500 --> 00:21:17.620 You should have paid the government of your county every penny they wanted. 293 00:21:17.620 --> 00:21:21.340 You should have obeyed and according to your logic, you should have obeyed everything 294 00:21:21.340 --> 00:21:23.540 they required of you. 295 00:21:24.540 --> 00:21:26.140 The pilgrim fathers never should have come here. 296 00:21:26.140 --> 00:21:27.140 You should always obey. 297 00:21:27.140 --> 00:21:28.140 Romans 13. 298 00:21:28.140 --> 00:21:29.140 Excuse me. 299 00:21:29.140 --> 00:21:35.100 Romans 13 says that we are to obey those who have been appointed by God because they are 300 00:21:35.100 --> 00:21:38.540 ministers of righteousness to do good. 301 00:21:38.540 --> 00:21:45.340 The moment a government does bad is when we obey God rather than man. 302 00:21:45.340 --> 00:21:48.060 But that wasn't announced. 303 00:21:48.060 --> 00:21:49.220 That wasn't put forth. 304 00:21:49.220 --> 00:21:51.820 That wasn't made clear at all. 305 00:21:52.380 --> 00:21:57.540 You never should have sued and defended yourself against the county that was suing you. 306 00:21:57.540 --> 00:21:59.940 You should have paid them everything that they wanted. 307 00:21:59.940 --> 00:22:00.940 Why? 308 00:22:00.940 --> 00:22:04.020 What's my point to this? 309 00:22:04.020 --> 00:22:11.780 Christian nationalists, when the world defines a Christian nationalist, they're doing it wrong. 310 00:22:11.780 --> 00:22:17.380 And in fact, the point that I just made a moment ago regarding this particular individual, 311 00:22:17.380 --> 00:22:21.100 they're starting to wake up based upon a recent Q&A they did. 312 00:22:21.100 --> 00:22:23.820 That Christians need to vote for people. 313 00:22:23.820 --> 00:22:28.740 Even if they're not Christians, they need to vote for people who hold the closest worldview. 314 00:22:28.740 --> 00:22:33.820 Even if it's an atheist who's pro-life, you should vote for that pro-life individual. 315 00:22:33.820 --> 00:22:37.380 When that person used to say, don't even vote at all. 316 00:22:37.380 --> 00:22:38.380 What's happening? 317 00:22:38.380 --> 00:22:39.620 Reality is coming around. 318 00:22:39.620 --> 00:22:41.500 That's what's going on. 319 00:22:41.500 --> 00:22:45.260 In light of that, is that pastor now a Christian nationalist? 320 00:22:45.260 --> 00:22:48.500 No, not according to CNN. 321 00:22:49.220 --> 00:22:53.300 Okay, we're not going to go with CNN's definition. 322 00:22:53.300 --> 00:22:57.500 The truth of the matter is, render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things 323 00:22:57.500 --> 00:22:59.420 that are God's. 324 00:22:59.420 --> 00:23:02.100 Meaning California belongs to God. 325 00:23:02.100 --> 00:23:04.060 Caesar belongs to God. 326 00:23:04.060 --> 00:23:08.820 The presidency of the United States belongs to God, as does the crown of England belong 327 00:23:08.820 --> 00:23:10.620 to God. 328 00:23:10.620 --> 00:23:14.500 Those are secular institutions, of course I understand that. 329 00:23:14.500 --> 00:23:19.580 To the sovereignty of God, meaning God raises them up and God takes them down. 330 00:23:19.580 --> 00:23:20.820 How does he do that? 331 00:23:20.820 --> 00:23:29.420 He does it by war, he does it by intrigue, he does it by voting. 332 00:23:29.420 --> 00:23:32.980 Some people have a hard time letting God be that big. 333 00:23:32.980 --> 00:23:38.460 Sovereignty of God, sovereignty of God, but you live in a country where you can vote. 334 00:23:38.460 --> 00:23:40.060 That's legal. 335 00:23:40.060 --> 00:23:41.900 Then you're supposed to obey the laws of the land. 336 00:23:41.900 --> 00:23:43.700 Are you not? 337 00:23:43.700 --> 00:23:47.260 You can get up off your duff and go vote. 338 00:23:47.260 --> 00:23:53.100 Did you know about the recent elections a few weeks ago here in California? 339 00:23:53.100 --> 00:23:56.260 And it's true nationally. 340 00:23:56.260 --> 00:24:02.260 I have so much more respect for Democrats who go out and vote in huge numbers for their 341 00:24:02.260 --> 00:24:07.140 sick perverse ideology, their godless platform. 342 00:24:07.140 --> 00:24:09.660 I have more respect for them. 343 00:24:09.660 --> 00:24:13.940 Because did you know that Christians two weeks ago went out of chance to vote, at least 344 00:24:13.940 --> 00:24:14.940 in California? 345 00:24:14.940 --> 00:24:16.540 Did you know what they did? 346 00:24:16.540 --> 00:24:20.100 According to the data, they didn't vote at all. 347 00:24:20.100 --> 00:24:21.100 Why? 348 00:24:21.100 --> 00:24:22.500 They're hypocrites. 349 00:24:22.500 --> 00:24:23.500 They're hypocrites. 350 00:24:23.500 --> 00:24:28.980 They claim to believe in God, they live in America, they live in California, and God 351 00:24:28.980 --> 00:24:33.980 provided for us the opportunity to go and vote. 352 00:24:33.980 --> 00:24:39.500 And that was provided to us by the blood of those who gave us those freedoms. 353 00:24:39.500 --> 00:24:41.420 And the Democrats went and voted. 354 00:24:41.420 --> 00:24:42.420 Why? 355 00:24:42.420 --> 00:24:44.220 Because they're smarter than we are. 356 00:24:44.220 --> 00:24:47.940 They're crazy, but they're smart. 357 00:24:47.940 --> 00:24:52.660 Because that's their religion, by the way, government, politics is their religion. 358 00:24:52.660 --> 00:24:53.660 They don't have a God. 359 00:24:53.660 --> 00:24:54.660 Democrats? 360 00:24:54.660 --> 00:24:55.660 Sorry. 361 00:24:55.660 --> 00:24:59.140 Look, I got to tell you, man, I'm going to say it again. 362 00:24:59.140 --> 00:25:02.740 You cannot be a Democrat and be a believer in Jesus Christ. 363 00:25:02.740 --> 00:25:04.740 You can lie to yourself all you want. 364 00:25:04.740 --> 00:25:08.260 Jesus Christ is not an abortionist. 365 00:25:08.260 --> 00:25:16.700 Jesus Christ does not attack borders and say they don't matter. 366 00:25:16.700 --> 00:25:18.780 The God of the Bible established borders. 367 00:25:18.780 --> 00:25:20.420 He says so. 368 00:25:20.420 --> 00:25:21.780 The God of the Bible is pro-life. 369 00:25:21.780 --> 00:25:22.860 He says so. 370 00:25:22.860 --> 00:25:28.820 So if you're a Democrat and you say you're a Christian, that means you vote Democrat, which 371 00:25:28.820 --> 00:25:31.540 means you vote against the Bible. 372 00:25:31.540 --> 00:25:35.300 And speak louder than words, so I have no interest in you. 373 00:25:35.300 --> 00:25:41.520 But the fact of the matter is this, that the so-to-speak conservatives who claim they believe 374 00:25:41.520 --> 00:25:48.340 in God and God gave us freedoms and liberty don't even have the guts to go up and get 375 00:25:48.340 --> 00:25:56.660 up off their bum to go and vote for the right people. 376 00:25:56.660 --> 00:26:01.700 Because either A, the church is much smaller than we think it is, which I do believe that 377 00:26:01.700 --> 00:26:02.700 is the case. 378 00:26:02.700 --> 00:26:06.380 I believe the church in America is like this big. 379 00:26:06.380 --> 00:26:08.140 Claims to be this big. 380 00:26:08.140 --> 00:26:13.340 But what we claim and what we do, there's such a grand canyon between those two things. 381 00:26:13.340 --> 00:26:24.100 No, listen, all my progressive Wacknut CNNers, don't worry, don't worry. 382 00:26:24.100 --> 00:26:29.900 The Christian nationalists that you're concerned about, I don't think really exist. 383 00:26:29.900 --> 00:26:31.820 They're not out there. 384 00:26:31.820 --> 00:26:41.660 I will tell you this, that I hope there's some Christians who are educated, no history. 385 00:26:41.660 --> 00:26:47.260 They remember how slavery was ended in this nation. 386 00:26:47.260 --> 00:27:01.100 They know how injustices were dealt with in the world, in political areas, from cutting 387 00:27:01.100 --> 00:27:12.180 the feet or hands off of women who violated Taliban rule or the stop burning, the wives 388 00:27:12.180 --> 00:27:18.460 of deceased Hindus in India, right? 389 00:27:18.460 --> 00:27:22.780 It was Christian involvement that made that stuff illegal. 390 00:27:22.780 --> 00:27:30.220 It's Christian involvement that stopped slavery in America and in England. 391 00:27:30.220 --> 00:27:33.660 So when you want to talk about Christian nationalists, how about this? 392 00:27:33.660 --> 00:27:40.100 There are Christians who live in nations who are going to vote a biblical worldview. 393 00:27:40.100 --> 00:27:43.060 You don't like the way they're going to vote. 394 00:27:43.060 --> 00:27:48.500 So you have to vomit the mouth and go into a rage and figure out something to do as your 395 00:27:48.500 --> 00:27:53.420 eyeballs roll in the back of your head and you come to the conclusion, let's just start 396 00:27:53.420 --> 00:27:58.140 repeating Christian nationalists, Christian nationalists, because somehow we can connect 397 00:27:58.140 --> 00:28:07.580 that with lunatics of Nazism or Christian nationalists are the ones who must have invaded 398 00:28:07.580 --> 00:28:13.140 the capital, which is interesting now because the data, not the data, the hearings that 399 00:28:13.140 --> 00:28:18.820 are taking place right now, looks like there was a lot of federal agents involved in storming 400 00:28:18.820 --> 00:28:22.780 the castle on January 6th. 401 00:28:22.780 --> 00:28:26.860 Very interesting stuff going on, who were those people anyway? 402 00:28:26.860 --> 00:28:31.860 You don't know CNN, you don't know NBC, you don't know, but you know this, they're Christian 403 00:28:31.860 --> 00:28:32.860 nationalists. 404 00:28:32.860 --> 00:28:36.060 Isn't that amazing? 405 00:28:36.060 --> 00:28:43.260 It's kind of like an explosion that takes place in the news reports live behind us. 406 00:28:43.260 --> 00:28:45.780 You see the building that just blew up. 407 00:28:45.780 --> 00:28:46.900 We don't know what happened. 408 00:28:46.900 --> 00:28:50.380 We don't know what's going on here, but we know this wasn't terrorism. 409 00:28:50.380 --> 00:28:53.460 Oh, you're so quick to say that. 410 00:28:53.460 --> 00:28:57.660 We don't know what happened, but it wasn't terrorism, really, and as always time goes on, 411 00:28:57.660 --> 00:29:00.940 it finds out it was terrorism. 412 00:29:00.940 --> 00:29:06.340 My point is this, friends listen, I'm speaking to the Christian community at this moment right 413 00:29:06.340 --> 00:29:07.340 now. 414 00:29:07.340 --> 00:29:12.340 Don't be afraid of people labeling you because they're going to label you because they 415 00:29:12.340 --> 00:29:17.340 don't know what to do with you because they can't understand the God that you worship. 416 00:29:17.340 --> 00:29:22.140 They can't understand that you are to let your lights so shine before men that when they 417 00:29:22.140 --> 00:29:25.980 see your good works that's in the day of judgment, these naysayers are going to have to 418 00:29:25.980 --> 00:29:32.220 give God the glory for you, for you standing for pro life, for you standing for borders, 419 00:29:32.220 --> 00:29:36.740 for you standing for the for law. 420 00:29:36.740 --> 00:29:44.020 Did you know, and I'll end right here, did you know that Candace Owens just recently 421 00:29:44.020 --> 00:29:50.460 interviewed Chris Como of CNN fame, I don't know where he's at right now, I think he's 422 00:29:51.460 --> 00:30:00.460 at first nation or nation, what news nation, just a collection of a bunch of crazies. 423 00:30:00.460 --> 00:30:06.940 She asked him, do you believe that illegal aliens should vote in America in election? 424 00:30:06.940 --> 00:30:14.740 They're not Americans, they don't pay taxes, they're here illegally, do you believe that 425 00:30:14.820 --> 00:30:18.940 they should vote in the presidential election? 426 00:30:18.940 --> 00:30:25.740 And he said yes, they should vote. 427 00:30:25.740 --> 00:30:30.500 That is beyond sick. 428 00:30:30.500 --> 00:30:37.500 If I were a soldier, a marine, an airman, if I worked for the NSA CIA or FBI or DHS, 429 00:30:47.460 --> 00:30:56.500 I would take that kind of that kind of response as a threat to national security, because when 430 00:30:56.540 --> 00:31:04.340 people come in here who have no concept, they don't even know who George Washington was, 431 00:31:04.340 --> 00:31:08.860 they've never heard of the Mayflower Compact, they can't tell you what the First Amendment 432 00:31:08.860 --> 00:31:16.100 is, they don't know what the Second Amendment is, and you're going to have them vote? 433 00:31:16.100 --> 00:31:21.100 I know what you're up to. 434 00:31:21.100 --> 00:31:23.220 I'll end with this. 435 00:31:23.220 --> 00:31:31.220 If you knew that they were going to vote conservatively, Chris Como, would you still say yes to that? 436 00:31:31.220 --> 00:31:42.220 What if, what if every illegal alien wound up voting Republican in this last election, 437 00:31:42.220 --> 00:31:44.220 in this upcoming election? 438 00:31:44.860 --> 00:31:49.660 You know how fast the Democrats would shut down the border? 439 00:31:49.660 --> 00:31:51.660 Oh my gosh. 440 00:31:51.660 --> 00:31:56.540 Am I the only one who sees through this? 441 00:31:56.540 --> 00:31:59.460 It's absolutely amazing, friends. 442 00:31:59.460 --> 00:32:04.540 You're not a Christian nationalist, not according to CNN. 443 00:32:04.540 --> 00:32:13.940 You happen to be a Christian who lives in your country who, according to Jeremiah 29.7, 444 00:32:13.940 --> 00:32:20.020 you are commanded by God to seek the welfare of the country and of the city in which you dwell 445 00:32:20.020 --> 00:32:26.820 for the Lord has placed you there, for it's welfare and for the welfare of its citizens, 446 00:32:26.820 --> 00:32:30.460 Jeremiah 29.7. 447 00:32:30.460 --> 00:32:39.580 I'm commanded to seek the welfare of Chino Hills and of California and of the United States. 448 00:32:39.580 --> 00:32:48.180 If I don't do that, then I am ditching my responsibility before God. 449 00:32:48.180 --> 00:32:53.140 CNN can never understand what I just said, because these are spiritual truths that they 450 00:32:53.140 --> 00:32:58.060 cannot discern, because they're lost. 451 00:32:58.060 --> 00:33:02.260 I believe Jesus could rapture us today, I'm hoping he comes today. 452 00:33:02.260 --> 00:33:07.460 I'm going to vote in this election if he doesn't rapture us. 453 00:33:07.460 --> 00:33:13.340 And I'm going to keep doing that with one eye on the ballot, one eye on my culture and 454 00:33:13.340 --> 00:33:16.420 one eye looking up. 455 00:33:16.420 --> 00:33:21.500 So I don't look to expect this to a Christian nation. 456 00:33:21.500 --> 00:33:25.060 I don't want to stay church. 457 00:33:25.060 --> 00:33:28.060 Nobody, no Christian nationalists, I know of does that. 458 00:33:28.060 --> 00:33:30.300 If they do, they're weirdos. 459 00:33:30.300 --> 00:33:33.780 And these mountains of influence is, I don't even know what you're talking about in that 460 00:33:33.780 --> 00:33:35.980 stuff. 461 00:33:35.980 --> 00:33:40.820 But be careful, friends, or foes, how you paint Christian nations. 462 00:33:40.820 --> 00:33:44.580 Because if we don't know what you're talking about, because it can't be defined clearly, 463 00:33:44.580 --> 00:33:48.700 how in the world can you know what you're talking about? 464 00:33:48.700 --> 00:33:56.420 But that seems to be the way you operate. 465 00:33:56.420 --> 00:34:00.580 This Jack Kibb's podcast, as well as all the broadcast outreach opportunities, are 466 00:34:00.580 --> 00:34:02.300 listener supported? 467 00:34:02.300 --> 00:34:05.900 Will you consider partnering with us through a special gift? 468 00:34:05.900 --> 00:34:10.540 Go to jackhibbs.com to learn more and stay connected.