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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. You guys this might be the most

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viewed podcast we've ever done because of the importance and relevance of what

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it is to not only love God but love one another. We're going to sit down with

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Barry and Karen McGuire so get ready it's going to be precious.

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Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs.

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We have a very special edition of our podcast together. The Jack Hibbs podcast is going to expand

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today for good reason. I have with us two very dear friends, two lovers of God, two lovers of

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one another and they've got a story to tell. Barry and Karen McGuire of the McGuire auto product

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industry that's what they're known. They're known by that logo by that name but what a lot of people

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don't know is the amazing world that pre-existed before the world exists today as they are iconic

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in the auto world but not only the auto world but in the Christian world and you need to meet them.

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So, Barry and Karen it's really great to have you with us and this is a special time because I

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just believe that this is unrehearsed but I think the direction we're going to go right now with

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this podcast will probably get a zillion hits and views because it should because I'm going to

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I'm going to go away from what we would normally talk about and I want to ask you both

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tell us how did you where did you meet when did you first cast eyes upon one another. Let me just

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quickly say I have to tell people this is our testimony. They hear me speak but Karen can get

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it here and speak and so we had the same stories because it our life we've experienced it. We did

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live it together. Together. I mean just from zero we had nothing. We had nothing. We had a little company

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doing $600,000 a year. I was buffing cars and a couple of people that's I mean that's a lot but

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that's a little one. But it was a six-year-old business my grandfather started that two years old at

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that time and the whole business of buffing cars and body shops and filthy dirty body shops

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somebody said and that was what it was and so we're a tiny little family business and she literally

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gave me five dollars a week to live on for several years now and I'd have money left over at the end

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of the week. Okay before we get to that though because I want to know where did you where did you

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meet that's cool that's amazing. Yeah okay well I'm a cougar okay what does that mean I'm nine

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months older than him. I see. I see. Okay we met at Pasadena College which was a few years ago.

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Yeah it's down for a little bit Nazarene University but the time was Pasadena College and so we met

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there. We met there and it was the night before he started his freshman year and I was a big upper

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classman a sophomore. Yeah that was he can tell you what I had on. Oh yeah that was that was a

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moment. Sixteen plus years later. That was 1960. 1960. So 64 years ago coming up in the

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September but six years or six three and a half years but yeah I could tell you where we were I

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could I could tell what you wore. I went to I didn't have to go to to college I was going to

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never found a business this way I looked at it. Thank God I did but I said I need to go I just

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want to get it a wife. Way better than that you told my freshman year started I was done. I could

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have just quit. I didn't know when I finished four years and we became student body president

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all that but she drugged me through all my classes right. Yeah but you're the brains aren't you

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the brain. She's the brain. Yeah that's right. You got your accounting and math and all your

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skills. Yeah she's one business. She got one B in college. One B. She only got one B. She took

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all these classes. She worked 40 hours a week. Payed her own way. Got one B. But for general

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motors and it but it made more money than him. Yeah did you know. Yes but let me tell you that's

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one thing we're getting really good. One thing we had in common that we both have the distinction

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of getting one B in college. I didn't get any A's but I got a B. I think it was a C that I got.

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She helped me through college, pulled me through and she has all the strengths I don't have.

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She is so organized and she's every penny and I just you know let's go and build something

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and I see the big picture and I want to go and I tell her I like to make money and I like to

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spend money and she takes care of everything. She keeps you safe to be able to do that. So you're

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so so people don't have the wrong idea because people we have a tendency to do this as humans.

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Oh what does Barry and Karen know about suffering? They they had they had the silver spoon the golden

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spoon. Oh yeah. What do they know? And that's not that's not the case and in fact you guys it's

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pretty amazing because the Lord has blessed you tremendously but if you were reduced tomorrow to

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pork and beans you know how to do that. But we're ready. Exactly. Our joy is nice and I feel

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the same stuff. This seems to all going to go away. Yeah yeah. And it may well. It can go away

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soon. So so can you share after you're I mean I know we have to condense this timewise but

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so you fell in love in the school and you were married and you did this family business

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you were given a five dollar allowance but eventually things began to to come together.

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Not for a long time. Not for a long time. Yeah I mean seriously it was not like we had a

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year of suffering. First off the business was started by my grandfather in 1981 then there

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was three brothers continued on. The oldest one of those brothers passed away so my dad and I

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owned half the company and his half brother and his two sons had half the company. Probably

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was they weren't Christians. They they didn't ever wax the car. They couldn't read a balance sheet.

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They didn't trust anybody with a tie and they couldn't understand what I was doing. I

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wanted to go retail. They wanted to go retail. So they fought me. I mean hard for 30 years.

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Really for you. To keep the business small. To keep they didn't want that you know they just they

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didn't want to go. They were making more money than they ever thought they'd make but they hated

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me so much and so every board meeting was a trial and we had outside board members and because

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they might always win board votes by by one vote. I just sneak sneak by. Well we're just right

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on the edge all the time and and very close to to bankruptcy many times and then you know we

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would they're in charge of all production that's what they did and they would hold up shipping

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the big order to the big chain that was doing a promotion that next weekend. Deliberately. Deliberately

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it was their business but I mean the things that so the the trials we had in business

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and and fighting through all that of course we had no money we had no stature and how do we break

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into the business and that's just trusting God and you know what we always throw a beautiful car.

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Oh yeah well you would have to because it's your common car. It was a company car yes but the

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difference I just say right quick the difference was we we we were serving giving sacrificial all

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that yeah with no joy we knew that we were missing joy and so we prayed together about God we

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want joy how do we get joy and doing everything long story short but through through an amazing

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guy stepping our life we we had more joy than we'd ever seen he was getting it from sharing his

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faith and we'd never put together sharing faith and having joy and you and I've talked a lot

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about it it's the same it's the two sides the same coin having faith and sharing faith

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once we started on that path it just opened up everything and so then we knew our businesses are

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pulpit not our business not our God and so we started using the business so as I grew the business

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was making those sales calls to get it turned down it didn't bother me so you rather than focusing

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on business success your vision both of you it was let's use this company for the glory of God

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absolutely absolutely so many people need to hear that today well so when I got turned down I got

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turned down a lot of you say I had to sort of nose because of all the doors I mean no I know

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I knew us nobody knew we're low and I'm a punk kid from California and you know the retailers

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across United States and most of them Jewish they had no regard for me whatsoever oh well don't

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forget we started doing all of these trade shows we did housewares trade shows vote trade show

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national hardware show national boat show all these shows and and she was and and yes he was an

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introvert all right no yes I've never been introverts so we would have these little 10 foot booths

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at these huge trade shows you know and we would go in at night and even set the booth up ourselves

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we didn't have way to have we didn't yeah so I would go out into the aisle and I was looking for

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the always looking for these red badges because they were the buyers and so I would I would she

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got to them I did she had a whole warned up now they're happy then I then I would they would come

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to do and Barry would sell them we were are we going these big receptions and we're in front of

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network you know and I hid behind Karen I literally hid behind Karen that's hard to do because she's

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about to watch she was taller than she was stuff the conversation but what she got it going

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all right then I blew the jump and say I were husband yeah but seriously we went through that

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but every time I had a door closed I loved doing those people I loved them no matter what yeah

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no matter what and I would say I understand I'm gonna earn your respect I'm gonna be back you

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would tell them that I would tell them I love it I haven't gotten there yet understand you help me

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I said what do I need to do you tell me so watch me so they all began loving on me and

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brooding for me but I didn't deserve it to be in their shells I would have been a failure and

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then that would have been a good for anybody so they taught me so at the national convention

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the big trade magazine had a dinner and they asked me to come we didn't want to go we're dead tired

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because we didn't lose that lever booth for anything bathroom we had to be there because we might lose

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a connection yeah so we went through that night they said we have we have all these words now

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this award this is our vendor of the year award and all of all of you have voted who are

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vendor of the year is and and this year it's very McGuire from McGuire's car wax what we're not

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selling one of them we weren't a vendor we were a vendor we're not selling we were not we're not

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one of them were our customers and they voted me vendor of the year because they let me wow

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and they wanted me and they wanted me to come and they wanted to buy the problem but you just got

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to do some things before we dare put you on her shelves so that was when you start doing that you

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say if I live for you and I'm my folks I'm getting everybody into heaven then it's going to happen I

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don't know when but it's going to happen what what kind of story in the world says you get the award

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that's crazy that's crazy you know what we wrinkle effect to that down to college students

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they go to Christian college they've learned all this they've probably all their lives now they're

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going to go out and get a job they forget everything and if they're hyperventling about

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you're going to get to get everything or whatever stop it yeah go in there and be be folks and you

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want to lead that people but move that person closer to Jesus yeah if they turn you down it doesn't

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matter because God has the place he will make it happen stop trusting yourself trust God your job

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is to move them closer to Jesus it changes everything once you take your your folks office what

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you got to do and say I'm going to use this opportunity to lead people to Jesus and you know what

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it makes them love you I mean you can't get people back when you tell them you know God loves you

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so and you're manifesting that stuff that to them meanwhile God's got a whole plan and I'll

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say now we end up being the number one selling car wax yeah you know but it's over period years

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and happened overnight but in the meantime we had all kinds of huge problems we lost our daughter

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when she was four year and years old that's right I talked about a tragedy I was dying in the hospital

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and the doctors gave up on me we didn't know I never thought you were going to know she need we

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were fine I never come all the United States giving their respects you know it personal I was

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trusted God she said I even kept my 10 what what you're that's what new perpetual will help you

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with yeah so what you was that now it's 2010 yeah yeah and we had a joint venture partner my my

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family sold out to a joint joint venture company and and and that's true and and they tried to

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throw me out of my business and and never lost my joy and God took care of that so easily when

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he would walk oh my god break it you know this yeah no you go girl I'm sorry I should not have

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done that huh no but when he would go to work in the morning we kind of had a balcony up above

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the front door and I would hold him script scripture as he's going out the door wow oh yeah very

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wait I got the script for you today which would stay with you all day and it came down from above as

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though God was speaking I care about you this blessing but she's a fair warrior Bible study leader

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at all which she just always there and the critical times our life we just talked our our way

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through them and then committed to the Lord we said God we're trusting you we're not trying to

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but also also the people that God has brought into our lives over our time together has been

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incredible people that we have I know one of one of the most important people in my life was

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Gwen Wilkerson who was David Wilkerson's wife who was crossing the switchblade I just learned so much

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from her on what a godly Christian woman does it was incredible their best friends are 40 years

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who were best friends 40 years how did how did that happen God just brought he God if God knows

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you're hungry he'll bring people into your life that will mentor you know that's true that's true

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it's amazing what it is I we look back now we say you can't get to where we are now from where we

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were you can't know and it's not because we're good it's not because we're smart we know that

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but we have it for yourself that's classy that's right I think I'm smart yeah I was smart I got

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here for what that's your move but but the fact of that is we've run to every vans isn't class we've

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run to every everywhere we can go every personal special speaker taking notes are entire

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six years living we've signed we've we've chased after God we have he knows our hearts he's been

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our he's been number one all the way through when you do that man he just he just enriches you and he

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gives you more than you ever expect and you're understanding and knowledge and closest and intimacy

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with God and so well we just talk about the other night we have no fear we have no anger we have no

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worry we have no bad days we have bad days but they're good days because the bad days God's up to

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something yeah well I've seen so many things that have come our way you know after so many years you

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realize God is there and and so now when things hit I'll say okay Satan get the behind me you know

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and how he he'll try to bring it back to remember it's again and again and I'll just say you know

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I trust God and I've just given this to God and I just tell God I just can't wait to see how

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you're gonna work this one out yeah the one time I was low head of care and we had a daughter who

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was often getting inside things and and distressing us and I wasn't worried but she was and and

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and this went on for a period of time your mom she's a mom yeah and she's trying to fix her

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that's right and one day she came into me she says okay I give up I gave her to the Lord

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yeah I just delivered well you know within two weeks I won't go in the search amazing story

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within two weeks that whole situation cleared it wasn't about the daughter who was the

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the while was here it was me it's time to get hold of her heart totally yeah and and he had

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most of her heart but there's just one thing the mother and the daughter trying to have Isaac

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thing on the hilltop yeah right right you have to give up and then there's the victory people who

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don't know the Lord they they don't understand that we could be speaking Chinese they don't get it

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are they don't understand where you know Jesus says if you want to find your life lose it well what

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kind of a silly comment is that but he says if you hang on to your life you're gonna lose it in the

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end what could that ridiculous the joy the joy in life is actually us possessing nothing it's

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him possessing everything that can't be true but to the world that doesn't know Christ they think

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we're nuts and I used to think people were crazy until you come to Christ and he begins to move

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and work in your life I love it you said a moment ago you guys about the bad days we the bad days

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my bad day is when I don't wake up soon enough to realize that the bad day can be a really good

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thing right because well what you just said the temptation is there to be whatever it is even grumpy

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and again I just read in a book recently about spiritual warfare and I thought it was fantastic

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whoever the author was said that when when they have a bad thought temper or temptation

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that they immediately stop and say Satan this is from you no and every time yeah every time

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and I remind you Satan that without you I wouldn't be having this attack and this attack my father

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knows about he you can't do anything to me without my father knowing about it perfect and so

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because of that you have to leave yeah and it was just so practical it was so so conversational we had

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an individual who was attacking us for years destroying my crime destroying a reputation on

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social media still there today and did everything he could with three they have like three viewers three

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followers well I don't know but well no it hit it hit the news it was on KFI radio here locally

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it was on in the LA Times it was it was it was getting traction and he made me look like an

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absolute Jesus lunatic fool but one thing the register in Orange County would not print it

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no they were very good they were they were they were in their backyard they would not print that

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that was that was quite amazing but in result was we came down to a crisis and it was

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horrible what he was about to do it was that day without going into details and we labored with

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it all night long each of us in our own way praying and crying and we sat in bed that morning

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and we said there's there's there's no scripture that allows us to do this we have to turn

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the other chief we have to go the extra mile I mean the scripture is very clear we're both

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we have no choice so in those moments and we had a number of them through our lives we prayed out

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loud to God and we say God we trust you we forgive him and we love him and once you love us love

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him through us we want to love him wow you know what that did they didn't anger not just for him

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but for our entire lives we had no angry you were set free we said thank God for him this is a key

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because God set us free from anger because of him that's right and then what happened to him

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how can you love me after all a crap yes yeah yeah said that several times to me where did this person

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you never never never once never tax him in all that yeah we we just we've used to do that and you

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know what now I'm mentoring him and he's a Christian he's solid and and I think what if I had said

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anything but I never never one word I said to him never once you know haven't we

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botched up this thing about forgiveness we think yeah we think uh when we were instructed

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tight we read we're told you need to forgive them um why would I do that I would never do that

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I don't want them to have the satisfaction of knowing we've completely botched it up well you're

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the only thing well exactly but people don't realize that they think never will I'm going to

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forgive them you have no idea that God gave you the ability to forgive somebody to set yourself free

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because until you do forgive them they they own they own you they own you they're going to be

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bitter and everything they do it's going to stab you again and again over and over again he said

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he went on doing stuff and we laughed we laughed when he was trying to hurt us still because that

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went on four years and we laughed and we said he can't hurt us anymore there's no way he can't hurt

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our power I mean what a power this is this is this is where Christianity becomes real in your

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life where it's not just a you know I'm on my way to heaven and we accepted Jesus Christ it's fine

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a lot of people are there but if you want to have peace that past understanding you want to have

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joy every day you want to know God's answering your prayers you want to know God's direction

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you want to live in that sweet spot with God just live for him yeah for him share him that's

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the number one thing we're called to do share him when we share him God speaking through you have

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interview God it all works it's amazing it's all one it's not disparate type pieces it's all

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this is living for Jesus you know letting him shine through us and love people through us it's

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really special hey 60 years of marriage can you believe this she hung in there with for 60 years

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60 and a half and we getting there almost 61 just moving so I'm going to do with the time

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remaining I'm going to do like a shotgun around real quick just like real quick answer okay where

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where's your first kiss three months I went without a kiss three months because he was slow yeah

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you know we went three months yeah so should I move on to the next question but it was a different time

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okay it was 1960 but I guess these were crazy it was well it was for some but for us there was

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you know I have to think about it but seriously there was such respect and it's it's no

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by you know imagine that if you don't go to bed the first night something's really wrong but

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but I didn't kiss her it was three months before it was the first time finally takers

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to the dorm room I kissed her for the first time we're three months in it's amazing first first

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apartment or back in those days first apartment was it apartment yeah yeah yeah

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yeah stairway third floor carried all the furniture up the stairway yeah I had a guy chase me chase me

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one time when I was coming home from work and I remember running it was not the safest place

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it was in Pasadena it was yeah but yeah first vacation Hawaii Hawaii

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Hawaii with my my parents paid for it that's even better place and so we went the marling we went

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but we we it was awesome and so the Royal Hawaiian Hotel that's you know that's our place I don't

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know if we ever go there again but we've been there 60 times we we love the Royal Hawaii just the

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music just the whole thing huh yeah we went to Duke see the night for dinner and they're playing

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the whole thing yeah first first car now this is a big question because your car that's your

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world but first car I think somebody said it was it was a company car at first but well yeah

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but the first car first my first car is 57 Chevy 57 Chevy is it a two-door or four-door

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black bill or hard top hard top two two two or two door it's wider hard top black

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no no no all black we're black car people all black oh yeah and two door two it's a bell

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air so it's two door coupe with you know without a post you know it's in our garage I'm just gonna

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ask you do you have it so we uh we we dated that and it's a very special car for us to go

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around in today oh my gosh that is incredible it is um what should I ask you before we wrap this up

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what should I what should I ask you uh what do you want people to know that they're not going to

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know any other way I ask us what happened what's happened to our love is our love is strong now

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as it was very what's happened to your love after all these years that's a great question hey

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hey we laugh it's awesome it gets better and better and better and better when you were in the

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Lord uh I have all kinds of issues in my life with me she has all kinds of you know but she's

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very forgiving you know I mean yeah I mean I'm a type of you know it's just like but she's

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been very patient with the he rewarded me but uh after 60 years guess what he bought me

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I think I know but I'm not sure go ahead a red corvette

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zero six yeah what does it call it a zero six a zero six yeah that's kind of high

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for former it's bad but uh and you drive it don't you I do but you know what I did I hear

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for I thought yeah here's right it was for a 60 effect and she always wanted a corvette

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but I looked that I gave her a nice gift when we when we've all turned 80 when she turned 80

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but you can't you're gonna turn 80 that's not by choice I mean you're gonna turn 80 right

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you this this is 60 years this is 60 years of putting up with me and all my ideas and

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and always want to go you know I just like just go let's go and she goes and and she never

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has said no this is what's amazing she's never said no she's never said I'm too tired

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she's never said um I too old to do this none of those we get up regularly at 4.30 in the

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morning in the dark to catch playing she's awake before me and she's smiling we love our life

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together we live our life together it's just it's so much but is that because we're good no it's

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because what the close you get to God the close you get to each other to where you're just you're

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just it's just God if you don't have God to say your relationship you're missing the best part

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because it just takes it it makes it like I wake everywhere I just can't believe this guy was still

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married to me and we're gonna face this day together and and every day has challenges yeah

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but um and when they're bad we just say if she says okay what do you have to know God yeah

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how you gonna work this without I just can't I just can't what's amazing Lisa and I uh we'll look at

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your schedule we're trying to figure out time to be together the four of us and uh I've got

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Lisa we have a pretty crazy schedule honestly insane but let's no no yet well it's for us it's

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insane but when we look at your calendar I honestly we do not know how you guys do it and I and

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I'm not making this up what it's not unusual for them to say well uh we're in California on Monday

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we're in did we'll be in Detroit Wednesday we'll be in Miami on Friday we're in all of these

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are shows and events for the company and all of these things that are going on and yet

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you guys not only maintain friendships with people I want to just say to the world that

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one of the greatest joys that we've enjoyed having you guys in our lives is the quality of people

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the type of people that you have surrounded yourselves with I don't like the words surrounded

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yourselves I think your type of of nucleus who you guys are has drawn a certain type of people

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to you guys that love God their mission they're on purpose like you guys are every day they're

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unmission their on purpose and they love God and so the people that you have around you

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are not only drawing from you you guys are not only going 100 miles an hour plus

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but they're drawing from your example I mean look we celebrated with you guys recently your 60th

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wedding anniversary and that room was packed with people who were saying when I grew up I want to

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be like them well that is an epic that is a God honoring thing that is so rare today our our

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goal is is first love Christians you know he said to the church you've left your first love you've

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left you've departed me I know you're honoring me you know good teaching for bad all this but you

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you you've something else is capturing you we have lots of Christians and we go out to eat

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and we'll bring up God and then me to go to another subject immediately so in our stage in life

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and we don't know what the future is going to hold things get really tough I don't want our friends

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turning us in well as I can trust you know so we just like we we hang out with people who are

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first love Christians you talk about God and they they're talking about time or the sermon they're

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excited about they got it and talk about you a ton of our pastures we'll get together and we'll

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find out what what Dave's doing in Vegas coming up on the stadium but then you find out what

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Dave is doing regarding this or what what maybe Dr. David is doing regarding the other on church

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on Sunday we have these great conversations about your message yeah you know well that's exciting

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and it's just we're all growing still from your message over lunch and and that's not always the

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case with Christians they're often they want to talk about the ball game or something so people

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will take pictures where you guys move into a restaurant on Sundays and take it over oh yeah

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and no and people are people the place gets real quiet because your your table is big and loud

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all about God and the manager and the way you're saying no no I'm still I'm still working

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he's still preaching but I hear people are saying oh my goodness you know and it's so precious

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because it's like this this the storm that rolls into town of glory and it's just awesome but

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and we don't like to leave yeah it's like with that that kind of connection with people first love

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Christians you you never want to leave there's no such thing as a quick and then we got to run

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nobody wants to leave I think that's this Holy Spirit I think if it's I've never seen anything like

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it but it's but it is being first love Christian look for first love Christians so if you want to

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hang out with people who really love on you and be there for you excited about what goes on

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this crazy road we don't know what it is we need to be surrounded right now yep first love

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Christian so you guys that first love Christian begins with knowing the gospel and that is that

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for God's soul of the world that he gave his only begotten only glorified one and only by the way

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it that word means that there's no other savior savior coming that God gave his only begotten

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son that who's so ever that's you that's us would believe in him that word belief is to pull up

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and put rest upon it's like what we're doing with this chair these chairs right now we're sitting

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on these chairs the Lord wants you to set your life upon him rest in him yeah and you will not

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perish he says this is the word of God he says you will not perish but have everlasting in life

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and so bearing care and have been faithful to do that and we just wanted to take a quick time

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Christ-focused life so as always you guys our jingle is what we mean it's time for us to live

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out that's what the world needs to see right they need to see us living our life outside the walls

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of the church it's time for us to live out what we believe in it's time for real life and

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