WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.000 Real Life A 2 00:00:06.000 --> 00:00:09.000 Real Life presents the Jack Kib's podcast 3 00:00:09.000 --> 00:00:12.000 with intention and boldness to proclaim truth 4 00:00:12.000 --> 00:00:15.000 equip the saints and impact our culture. 5 00:00:15.000 --> 00:00:17.000 Today, if this podcast lifts you up 6 00:00:17.000 --> 00:00:20.000 and encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ, 7 00:00:20.000 --> 00:00:23.000 then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. 8 00:00:23.000 --> 00:00:26.000 To us, that's like saying amen or yes. 9 00:00:26.000 --> 00:00:29.000 Then that rating will encourage others to listen. 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:33.000 Now, open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. 11 00:00:33.000 --> 00:00:36.000 Here is Jack Kib's. 12 00:00:36.000 --> 00:00:39.000 Well, hey everybody, welcome to our podcast. 13 00:00:39.000 --> 00:00:42.000 And we've got a pretty special guest today 14 00:00:42.000 --> 00:00:44.000 that's going to resonate with so many people outside 15 00:00:44.000 --> 00:00:49.000 of the normal or traditional Bible teaching type of topics 16 00:00:49.000 --> 00:00:51.000 that we normally handle here. 17 00:00:51.000 --> 00:00:55.000 Michelle Tafoya, you may or may not recognize her name, 18 00:00:55.000 --> 00:00:59.000 but you will absolutely recognize her voice 19 00:00:59.000 --> 00:01:03.000 and her face because for some 25 years, 20 00:01:03.000 --> 00:01:08.000 she has been that go to person on the sidelines 21 00:01:08.000 --> 00:01:11.000 at these NFL games that we all love and watch. 22 00:01:11.000 --> 00:01:14.000 It would be the one bringing you the report 23 00:01:14.000 --> 00:01:17.000 from the quarterback, from the running back, 24 00:01:17.000 --> 00:01:19.000 from the receiver or the coach, 25 00:01:19.000 --> 00:01:23.000 regarding the dynamics of NFL play. 26 00:01:23.000 --> 00:01:27.000 And so, Michelle, it's awesome to have you on this program. 27 00:01:27.000 --> 00:01:31.000 I'm excited to have you for a lot of reasons. 28 00:01:31.000 --> 00:01:36.000 Is it true that you live in Minnesota, 29 00:01:36.000 --> 00:01:38.000 which is not a crime? 30 00:01:38.000 --> 00:01:40.000 It's okay. 31 00:01:40.000 --> 00:01:43.000 But what's odd is that you are a SoCal girl. 32 00:01:43.000 --> 00:01:45.000 You're a Southern California girl. 33 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:46.000 I am. 34 00:01:46.000 --> 00:01:49.000 I was born and raised in Manhattan Beach, California. 35 00:01:49.000 --> 00:01:51.000 I went to college up in Northern California, 36 00:01:51.000 --> 00:01:54.000 grad school in Southern California at USC. 37 00:01:54.000 --> 00:01:58.000 And here I am in Minnesota for the better part of 30 years now. 38 00:01:58.000 --> 00:02:00.000 And yeah, it's a little crazy. 39 00:02:00.000 --> 00:02:01.000 I get it. 40 00:02:01.000 --> 00:02:04.000 But it's here that I found my husband 41 00:02:04.000 --> 00:02:06.000 and I've been raising my family. 42 00:02:06.000 --> 00:02:09.000 I don't think I'm going to make it much longer, though, pastor. 43 00:02:09.000 --> 00:02:11.000 I don't like being cold. 44 00:02:11.000 --> 00:02:12.000 Yeah, it hurts. 45 00:02:12.000 --> 00:02:16.000 You know, I was born in San Diego 46 00:02:16.000 --> 00:02:20.000 and migrated this far north to Orange County area. 47 00:02:20.000 --> 00:02:21.000 Oh, wow. 48 00:02:21.000 --> 00:02:23.000 You've made a long journey. 49 00:02:23.000 --> 00:02:24.000 Yeah. 50 00:02:24.000 --> 00:02:26.000 You know what, we're kind of freaking out today, Michelle, 51 00:02:26.000 --> 00:02:28.000 because it's 62 degrees outside. 52 00:02:28.000 --> 00:02:30.000 I'm not sure what I'm going to do with myself. 53 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:31.000 I'm sorry. 54 00:02:31.000 --> 00:02:33.000 But we're, yeah, about a state of panic here. 55 00:02:33.000 --> 00:02:35.000 But hey, listen, first of all, 56 00:02:35.000 --> 00:02:38.000 let's talk about the success of your program 57 00:02:38.000 --> 00:02:40.000 that we're talking about. 58 00:02:40.000 --> 00:02:42.000 Sidelined sanity. 59 00:02:42.000 --> 00:02:44.000 Tell us how you got that. 60 00:02:44.000 --> 00:02:45.000 That's my phone, I apologize. 61 00:02:45.000 --> 00:02:46.000 No, no. 62 00:02:46.000 --> 00:02:47.000 How I got that title. 63 00:02:47.000 --> 00:02:48.000 How did you get the title? 64 00:02:48.000 --> 00:02:50.000 What inspired you to even do this? 65 00:02:50.000 --> 00:02:51.000 Just speak to us. 66 00:02:51.000 --> 00:02:52.000 We want to hear from you. 67 00:02:52.000 --> 00:02:56.000 So for the last many years, really since 9-11, 68 00:02:56.000 --> 00:02:58.000 my values have been changing. 69 00:02:58.000 --> 00:03:02.000 My vision of the world has altered. 70 00:03:02.000 --> 00:03:04.000 I love my country. 71 00:03:04.000 --> 00:03:07.000 I was raised by parents that were depressionary parents 72 00:03:07.000 --> 00:03:09.000 who were dirt poor growing up. 73 00:03:09.000 --> 00:03:13.000 My dad was Hispanic and faced a good level of prejudice. 74 00:03:13.000 --> 00:03:17.000 My mom wasn't supposed to marry him, but she did anyway. 75 00:03:17.000 --> 00:03:23.000 And so I grew up understanding the opportunity 76 00:03:23.000 --> 00:03:25.000 that America gave to my parents, 77 00:03:25.000 --> 00:03:28.000 and that they took it and followed it, 78 00:03:28.000 --> 00:03:29.000 grabbed it by the horns, 79 00:03:29.000 --> 00:03:32.000 and created a wonderful life for themselves, 80 00:03:32.000 --> 00:03:36.000 and myself and my three other siblings. 81 00:03:36.000 --> 00:03:38.000 And I believe in the American dream, 82 00:03:38.000 --> 00:03:39.000 and I believe in this country, 83 00:03:39.000 --> 00:03:44.000 and I accept it for its past stains and sins. 84 00:03:44.000 --> 00:03:47.000 And I know we're better than that now, 85 00:03:47.000 --> 00:03:49.000 and have completely progressed, 86 00:03:49.000 --> 00:03:53.000 but there's this movement of foot it feels to tear it down 87 00:03:53.000 --> 00:03:54.000 from the inside. 88 00:03:54.000 --> 00:03:56.000 And I just can't let that, 89 00:03:56.000 --> 00:03:59.000 I can't stand by and let that happen. 90 00:03:59.000 --> 00:04:03.000 And here I had this amazing job on Sunday night football, 91 00:04:03.000 --> 00:04:05.000 almost recently, for the last 11 years, 92 00:04:05.000 --> 00:04:07.000 where the number one rated show in prime time 93 00:04:07.000 --> 00:04:08.000 for 11 straight years. 94 00:04:08.000 --> 00:04:10.000 Al Michaels, Chris Collinsworth, myself, 95 00:04:10.000 --> 00:04:15.000 as the announcers and a phenomenal production crew. 96 00:04:15.000 --> 00:04:17.000 But I couldn't do it anymore, Pastor. 97 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:19.000 I just, I couldn't do it anymore, 98 00:04:19.000 --> 00:04:21.000 because in that role, 99 00:04:21.000 --> 00:04:24.000 I could not really speak out against the things 100 00:04:24.000 --> 00:04:27.000 I was seeing and disagreed with and felt strongly about, 101 00:04:27.000 --> 00:04:29.000 without inviting a little bit of controversy 102 00:04:29.000 --> 00:04:30.000 to Sunday night football. 103 00:04:30.000 --> 00:04:31.000 And I didn't want to do that, 104 00:04:31.000 --> 00:04:33.000 and I respected that, 105 00:04:33.000 --> 00:04:36.000 and I knew that that was part of my job 106 00:04:36.000 --> 00:04:41.000 to just remain on the outside of the controversy, 107 00:04:41.000 --> 00:04:43.000 but I couldn't do it anymore. 108 00:04:43.000 --> 00:04:47.000 I needed to be able to be part of the conversation 109 00:04:47.000 --> 00:04:49.000 and bring some sanity, 110 00:04:49.000 --> 00:04:51.000 and back to the conversation 111 00:04:51.000 --> 00:04:53.000 and to civilization here in America. 112 00:04:53.000 --> 00:04:56.000 I tried to bring some civil conversation back to America, 113 00:04:56.000 --> 00:04:59.000 and so I left on my own accord. 114 00:04:59.000 --> 00:05:00.000 I said, I gotta go. 115 00:05:00.000 --> 00:05:02.000 I've got to do other things, 116 00:05:02.000 --> 00:05:05.000 while I still got the energy to do it. 117 00:05:06.000 --> 00:05:07.000 I'm blown away. 118 00:05:07.000 --> 00:05:08.000 First of all, 119 00:05:08.000 --> 00:05:13.000 I want to thank you for obviously not knowing your parents. 120 00:05:13.000 --> 00:05:16.000 I just want to thank God for your parents, 121 00:05:16.000 --> 00:05:21.000 because that's a very similar story to how I was raised, 122 00:05:21.000 --> 00:05:23.000 a love for country. 123 00:05:23.000 --> 00:05:25.000 Of course, America's got its problems. 124 00:05:25.000 --> 00:05:27.000 Every nation in the world has its problems, 125 00:05:27.000 --> 00:05:28.000 but this is the best, 126 00:05:28.000 --> 00:05:31.000 this is the best messed up place in the world. 127 00:05:31.000 --> 00:05:34.000 And what our founding fathers gave us, 128 00:05:34.000 --> 00:05:37.000 I mean, listen to you speak. 129 00:05:37.000 --> 00:05:39.000 There's a depth to what you're saying 130 00:05:39.000 --> 00:05:42.000 and a true passion that all of us can detect 131 00:05:42.000 --> 00:05:45.000 and pick up from you. 132 00:05:45.000 --> 00:05:49.000 And so you're a woman of convictions, I can tell? 133 00:05:49.000 --> 00:05:51.000 I mean, this is the first time we've met, 134 00:05:51.000 --> 00:05:53.000 but I can tell you're a woman of convictions. 135 00:05:53.000 --> 00:05:55.000 You said earlier that you're in Minnesota 136 00:05:55.000 --> 00:05:57.000 because you met your husband there 137 00:05:57.000 --> 00:05:59.000 and you have children there, 138 00:05:59.000 --> 00:06:03.000 which means that there is a desire 139 00:06:03.000 --> 00:06:05.000 in your heart regarding the future. 140 00:06:05.000 --> 00:06:08.000 You, I assume, yes, want to leave your kids 141 00:06:08.000 --> 00:06:11.000 a better America than what you and I are going through right now. 142 00:06:11.000 --> 00:06:12.000 Absolutely. 143 00:06:12.000 --> 00:06:13.000 And I've traveled the world. 144 00:06:13.000 --> 00:06:16.000 My daughter, we adopted her from Bogota, Columbia, 145 00:06:16.000 --> 00:06:19.000 and our son is our biological son. 146 00:06:19.000 --> 00:06:21.000 That's a whole other podcast to have, 147 00:06:21.000 --> 00:06:23.000 but we adopted our daughter. 148 00:06:23.000 --> 00:06:26.000 I've seen, I've been all over the world, 149 00:06:26.000 --> 00:06:29.000 covering the Olympic Games, covering sport. 150 00:06:29.000 --> 00:06:32.000 There are stories I've done that would probably surprise people 151 00:06:32.000 --> 00:06:34.000 that don't seem like sports stories, 152 00:06:34.000 --> 00:06:36.000 but they've taken me to Athens, to Croatia, 153 00:06:36.000 --> 00:06:40.000 to Sarajevo, to all over. 154 00:06:40.000 --> 00:06:42.000 And so I've seen the world. 155 00:06:42.000 --> 00:06:44.000 I've seen how other countries operate. 156 00:06:44.000 --> 00:06:45.000 I've seen what's there. 157 00:06:45.000 --> 00:06:49.000 I've seen the poverty that my daughter would have grown up in. 158 00:06:49.000 --> 00:06:53.000 And I do believe this is the last best hope on Earth, 159 00:06:53.000 --> 00:06:55.000 the United States of America, 160 00:06:55.000 --> 00:06:59.000 and what we stand for, what the founders put on paper for us. 161 00:07:00.000 --> 00:07:03.000 And I look at my kids, I love them so much. 162 00:07:03.000 --> 00:07:07.000 And I know other parents love their kids just as much. 163 00:07:07.000 --> 00:07:13.000 And I don't want to leave them in a situation that I didn't fight for. 164 00:07:13.000 --> 00:07:17.000 You know, I've got to, they can't yet fight for that future. 165 00:07:17.000 --> 00:07:18.000 I've got to do it. 166 00:07:18.000 --> 00:07:20.000 I've got to participate. 167 00:07:20.000 --> 00:07:26.000 So in your industry, in your world, 168 00:07:26.000 --> 00:07:28.000 no granted, it's not exactly Hollywood, 169 00:07:28.000 --> 00:07:32.000 but it's in that genre, though, right, of spirit, 170 00:07:32.000 --> 00:07:35.000 was there a lot of pressure for you and on you 171 00:07:35.000 --> 00:07:41.000 to adopt the woke invasion or the take a knee thing? 172 00:07:41.000 --> 00:07:44.000 When you say it was time for you to get out of it, 173 00:07:44.000 --> 00:07:47.000 is that what you're referring to or a whole lot more? 174 00:07:47.000 --> 00:07:49.000 Well, you know what? 175 00:07:49.000 --> 00:07:53.000 Honestly, it was, look, believe me, 176 00:07:53.000 --> 00:07:57.000 there were a lot of like-minded people on our show on Sunday Night Football, 177 00:07:57.000 --> 00:07:59.000 in front of the camera behind the camera. 178 00:07:59.000 --> 00:08:01.000 And there were a lot of people who disagreed too. 179 00:08:01.000 --> 00:08:06.000 We had really interesting conversations when the cameras were off, 180 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.000 and we were just in our meetings and so forth. 181 00:08:08.000 --> 00:08:13.000 But that wasn't, look, when your NBC's number one commodity, 182 00:08:13.000 --> 00:08:15.000 their prized possession, right, 183 00:08:15.000 --> 00:08:20.000 the show that garners them the highest rating every single year, 184 00:08:20.000 --> 00:08:24.000 what you don't want to do is be a place that people go, 185 00:08:24.000 --> 00:08:26.000 oh, man, she's saying this and that, 186 00:08:26.000 --> 00:08:27.000 and I got to turn this off. 187 00:08:27.000 --> 00:08:28.000 Right. 188 00:08:28.000 --> 00:08:32.000 So that was the, and I accepted that. 189 00:08:32.000 --> 00:08:34.000 Listen, I accepted that. 190 00:08:34.000 --> 00:08:35.000 I could have quit earlier, 191 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:39.000 and I, but we kept on going on and one more Super Bowl, you know. 192 00:08:39.000 --> 00:08:43.000 And so, but I never, also, never felt the pressure 193 00:08:43.000 --> 00:08:46.000 to succumb to any kind of woke beliefs. 194 00:08:46.000 --> 00:08:52.000 And listen, I, I talked to a lot of athletes who knelt for the anthem. 195 00:08:52.000 --> 00:08:56.000 And, and I had really interesting conversations with athletes who, 196 00:08:56.000 --> 00:08:58.000 I wanted to hear their side. 197 00:08:58.000 --> 00:09:01.000 And, and I am a, you, I'm like a free speech absolutist. 198 00:09:01.000 --> 00:09:06.000 I stand by their right to kneel for the flag if they want to do that. 199 00:09:06.000 --> 00:09:09.000 The league never, you know, the league did ultimately impose some rules, 200 00:09:09.000 --> 00:09:12.000 and I'm not sure they took the wisest course. 201 00:09:12.000 --> 00:09:14.000 And that's again another conversation. 202 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:22.000 But I will stand by the ability of any American citizen to say what they believe 203 00:09:22.000 --> 00:09:24.000 and to act in their belief. 204 00:09:24.000 --> 00:09:27.000 But I also stand by my ability to disagree with them. 205 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:29.000 And I think it's just so important. 206 00:09:29.000 --> 00:09:35.000 And unfortunately, I sense this, this change that you're only allowed in America 207 00:09:35.000 --> 00:09:40.000 to say one kind of thing right now, or you get, quote unquote, cancel. 208 00:09:40.000 --> 00:09:42.000 Well, they can try to cancel me now. 209 00:09:42.000 --> 00:09:45.000 I'm sure some people wish that I would just go away. 210 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:47.000 But I, I'm past that and I'm not going to allow it. 211 00:09:47.000 --> 00:09:51.000 I'm going to continue to, to speak what, in what I believe in. 212 00:09:51.000 --> 00:09:54.000 But I'm also willing to listen to people that I disagree with. 213 00:09:54.000 --> 00:10:00.000 And I think that they're in lies a lot of the solution rather than just cutting people off 214 00:10:00.000 --> 00:10:03.000 and shouting them down or calling them names. 215 00:10:03.000 --> 00:10:04.000 Right. 216 00:10:04.000 --> 00:10:07.000 To get them to shut up, which is a real tool of the left right now. 217 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:09.000 Just, just call them homophobes. 218 00:10:09.000 --> 00:10:10.000 Yes. 219 00:10:10.000 --> 00:10:11.000 Just call them racist. 220 00:10:11.000 --> 00:10:13.000 Call them anything fob. 221 00:10:13.000 --> 00:10:16.000 And you'll get them to shut up because they don't want to be called those names. 222 00:10:16.000 --> 00:10:17.000 And they'll just shut up. 223 00:10:17.000 --> 00:10:18.000 I'm sorry. 224 00:10:18.000 --> 00:10:19.000 That's not the way it works. 225 00:10:19.000 --> 00:10:27.000 And if you can't beat me with an argument with a logical debate, a point, a truth, a belief, 226 00:10:27.000 --> 00:10:31.000 a value, then I'm not going to take you seriously anyway. 227 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:33.000 Yeah, that is awesome. 228 00:10:33.000 --> 00:10:39.000 Listen, what do you, what can you share with us or what have you contemplated? 229 00:10:40.000 --> 00:10:41.000 What's your future? 230 00:10:41.000 --> 00:10:44.000 What's Michelle's vision now? 231 00:10:44.000 --> 00:10:46.000 Where do you go from here? 232 00:10:46.000 --> 00:10:51.000 You obviously have such an incredibly recognizable voice and face. 233 00:10:51.000 --> 00:10:58.000 And there's a lot of influence that you can now have and you do have moving into different areas. 234 00:10:58.000 --> 00:11:02.000 Can I ask you or is it to be quiet? 235 00:11:02.000 --> 00:11:05.000 What are those possible areas? 236 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:12.000 Well, I mean, a lot of people have asked me to run for office and believe me, I've contemplated that. 237 00:11:12.000 --> 00:11:21.000 I would like to see some really strong leadership that's based on values and convictions and not just on politics. 238 00:11:21.000 --> 00:11:23.000 Policy matters more than politics. 239 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:27.000 And sadly, that's not where we are right now. 240 00:11:27.000 --> 00:11:34.000 However, I've got kids whose lives I have missed much of because I was traveling so much. 241 00:11:34.000 --> 00:11:40.000 And so now they're in high school in junior high and I'd like to watch them grow up a little bit more closely. 242 00:11:40.000 --> 00:11:52.000 And I'd like to continue with this podcast to try to get a voice out there that is sane, that is, that encourages, I hope, other people to find their own voice. 243 00:11:52.000 --> 00:12:01.000 One of the things pastor that really bothered me was when one of my friends came to me and said, I'd love to repost what you just posted on Facebook, but I'm afraid. 244 00:12:01.000 --> 00:12:04.000 I'm afraid of my colleagues, I'm afraid of my friends. 245 00:12:04.000 --> 00:12:08.000 And I thought, this is not how it's supposed to be. 246 00:12:08.000 --> 00:12:18.000 So, you know what, I'll post it, you don't have to repost it, I'll post double, I'll do whatever, I'm just not really afraid of being canceled. 247 00:12:18.000 --> 00:12:28.000 And I want other people to be unapologetic for their values and to be, feel strong enough to speak out again. 248 00:12:28.000 --> 00:12:33.000 That doesn't mean you have to be vicious, doesn't mean you have to be evil or vile, it just means you can say things. 249 00:12:33.000 --> 00:12:39.000 And if someone disagrees with you and just calls you a name because of it, that's not a real great argument. 250 00:12:39.000 --> 00:12:45.000 And you can laugh that off, have the courage to laugh off that sort of Twitter mob and stick to your gun. 251 00:12:45.000 --> 00:12:51.000 So true what you just said, why is it? Why is it that so many people? 252 00:12:51.000 --> 00:12:54.000 And what kind of a culture have we created that win? 253 00:12:54.000 --> 00:12:55.000 Yeah. 254 00:12:55.000 --> 00:13:01.000 When so stranger makes a comment on your social media post that it bothers you. 255 00:13:01.000 --> 00:13:08.000 Look, call me old school, but if that's going to bother you then don't be on social media. 256 00:13:08.000 --> 00:13:19.000 Well, right, I mean, that's the first part. So if you want to be on social media, it comes with some, you know, if you want to post something, it comes with some responsibility. 257 00:13:19.000 --> 00:13:28.000 And I think we have enabled our kids to be soft and to be a little bit weak and we've protected them too much. 258 00:13:28.000 --> 00:13:41.000 The best thing, the best thing we can teach our kids is how to be resilient, how to be strong, how to overcome obstacles, how to see an obstacle and go, huh, this really stinks. 259 00:13:41.000 --> 00:13:52.000 But I believe that I have the capability to go around it over it through it. I'm going to figure out a way rather than running into a corner, curling up in a ball and saying, I'm scared, I'm scared. 260 00:13:52.000 --> 00:14:03.000 I want kids to feel empowered. I want them to feel strong and confident enough in themselves that they can look somebody in the eye and say, I know you just called me a name. 261 00:14:03.000 --> 00:14:11.000 This is what I was taught past her hips. Maybe you remember this, sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. 262 00:14:11.000 --> 00:14:18.000 And so just laugh it off, move on, believe in your convictions, believe in your values. 263 00:14:18.000 --> 00:14:25.000 Wow, yes, absolutely. Isn't it amazing what you're saying? And yes, I do resonate with that. I did grow up with that same. 264 00:14:25.000 --> 00:14:33.000 What's amazing to me is, you know, recently we saw, it's all over the media, it's huge, but it's sad. 265 00:14:33.000 --> 00:14:45.000 And that is, there was a Starbucks employee that was crying in the corner, having a meltdown because somebody misgender identified them wrong. 266 00:14:45.000 --> 00:14:52.000 They had been working eight hours. They got some orders wrong and they got yelled at. 267 00:14:52.000 --> 00:15:07.000 And I was watching this and it wasn't so much that I was upset with the person as much as I was upset with somehow the direction that we have taken our young generation where this is going to sound crazy. 268 00:15:07.000 --> 00:15:14.000 But we've not taught them, you use the word resilient because you're a diplomat. That's very good. 269 00:15:14.000 --> 00:15:33.000 I would say the word, we have not taught our kids well how to suffer. That's suffering. A friend of mine, for example, a dear friend of mine was born and raised in Lebanon, born and raised in a war zone, and survived fought in battles. 270 00:15:33.000 --> 00:15:40.000 And then the Lebanese army said, listen, you got to get out of Lebanon because the terrorists are going to kill you. 271 00:15:40.000 --> 00:15:47.000 You got to leave this country. So he came to the United States with that famous old story. He had $200 US dollars in his pocket. 272 00:15:47.000 --> 00:15:55.000 Now the guy is the owner of the largest industry in the nation with what he does. Multimillionaire, super blessed. Here's the deal. 273 00:15:55.000 --> 00:16:07.000 I said, what's up with you? Nothing bothers you. He said, it's because I've gone through everything already. He said, I don't care if I have the money. I don't care because he said, listen, and this is so great. 274 00:16:07.000 --> 00:16:20.000 He said, learn how to be comfortable when everyone else around you is uncomfortable. He said, learn how to embrace the problem instead of running from it. 275 00:16:20.000 --> 00:16:27.000 Exactly. Oh my goodness. This is what mom and dad should be indoctrinating our kids with instead of other things. 276 00:16:27.000 --> 00:16:35.000 It's stoicism. And we can say that from your neck of the woods, that's the wrong way of putting it. But Jesus was a stoic. 277 00:16:35.000 --> 00:16:48.000 There's a lot of stoicism in the Bible. Stoicism is all about the obstacle is the way. Getting through this, you know, becoming the phoenix out of the ashes 278 00:16:48.000 --> 00:16:58.000 is the way to grow, to improve, to thrive in whatever you're doing. And there are so many amazing examples of people who have done it. 279 00:16:58.000 --> 00:17:07.000 And that's given me a lot of courage to know that I can do it too. Gosh, the obstacles I've faced relative to others are fairly small. 280 00:17:07.000 --> 00:17:19.000 There have been some personal ones that have been grueling, agonizing, absolute torture. But I've survived them. And at times when I didn't think I would, I have. 281 00:17:19.000 --> 00:17:27.000 And so, yes, we need to teach our kids that it's okay to be uncomfortable. It's okay to suffer some pain that they can overcome it. 282 00:17:27.000 --> 00:17:34.000 No, Johnny doesn't have to apologize to you because he called you a name. You have to understand that Johnny was being a dope and you're better than that. 283 00:17:34.000 --> 00:17:42.000 And you are not the name he called you. And you believe that for yourself. And you'll be okay. Or you skinned your knee. We're going to clean it up. It's going to sting a little bit. 284 00:17:42.000 --> 00:17:51.000 But you're going to get through this because you're tough and you're strong. That's how we need to raise our kids. And I don't know where the breakdown came. Maybe we just got too comfortable in the United States. 285 00:17:51.000 --> 00:18:06.000 I'm sure our comfort and affluence has a lot to do with it. But somehow, I mean, what you're saying is something that is so needed today. And I want to encourage you because where I'm at in Southern California, we happen to be a large church. 286 00:18:06.000 --> 00:18:29.000 And we happen to be a church that for whatever reason is heavily law enforcement populated and military populated. Having said that, there is an incredible loving spirit that we have seen happen here over these decades where men are being servant leaders to their wives and to their kids. 287 00:18:29.000 --> 00:18:43.000 And it's a beautiful thing to see. And when you see this happen, I love seeing, for example, we have a large courtyard. And on a Sunday morning, junior, you know, might be running down the courtyard and fall and tumble and skin up his nose and knees. 288 00:18:43.000 --> 00:18:57.000 And you're so right. It's so great for mom and or dad to say, hey, buddy, that was crazy. Too bad I didn't get that on film. But in the meantime, let's put a bandit on your nose. That's going to look great by the way when you grow up. That's awesome. 289 00:18:57.000 --> 00:19:07.000 And those knees, very cool. You're okay. You're not going to break. You're good. Instead of all this, you know, this helicopter freak out mentality that. 290 00:19:07.000 --> 00:19:25.000 So, so yeah, you mentioned, you mentioned hardship and setbacks and challenges and things. Now, those who obviously view my program, they already know this, but you're causing me to remember now why I have the positions. 291 00:19:25.000 --> 00:19:46.000 I often take in stick with them as I do. I'm a failed product of an abortion. I didn't find that out till I was a junior in high school. But when I found it out as a junior in high school, when I heard my mom talking to a woman about the whole thing, she didn't know I was hearing hearing all of this. 292 00:19:46.000 --> 00:20:15.000 As a as a guy in junior in a junior in high school, I heard that I went, whoa, that's weird. And I kept eating my sandwich and went back to football practice. It didn't traumatize me. In fact, when I first heard the gospel that God loves me and he's got a plan for my life and that he cleared up the sin issue by going to the cross. So, hey, Jack, I want, I want to give you the opportunity to reboot your life. That's what I do. I'm Jesus and I restart people. 293 00:20:15.000 --> 00:20:44.000 It was like, well, that's amazing. And only then Michelle, after I became a Christian, started reading the Bible. I came to Jeremiah chapter one and there the Bible says God speaking to Jeremiah and he says Jeremiah. By the way, Jeremiah rabbis Hebrew scholars tell us he's somewhere between 12 to 15 years of age. That God said to him, listen, before I knew you, I knew you and your mother's womb. 294 00:20:44.000 --> 00:21:09.000 I knew you before you were fashioned together and before you came into this world and I have a plan for your life. When I read that, it was like, I mean, no pun intended, but it was a touchdown for me. Wait a minute. This God had an answer when my mom and dad tried to abort me. God had a plan. And Michelle, when I realized that, I have to tell you. 295 00:21:09.000 --> 00:21:34.000 From that moment on, at the age of 19, I actually believe my life in many ways became invincible at that point. When I say invincible, I don't mean like an action figure. What I mean is, it didn't matter what anybody said to me anymore. I survived an abortion. It doesn't matter what people, I mean, I was physically abused and that's another story. 296 00:21:34.000 --> 00:22:03.000 When I found out what God thought about me, that stuff from the past didn't matter anymore. I was set free. So today, I can post and say, there are two genders. We need to help and pray for those who are confused. And pro life is awesome. And if you don't want your baby, let it go up for adoption. But, and then people say, how can you say that? You're a terrible person. Michelle, it doesn't matter because I know what's right and true. 297 00:22:03.000 --> 00:22:18.000 And I'm not intending to hurt anybody. But truth is, the only way that people can get their answers firmly given to them. And so it's, it's refreshing to hear what you're saying. Can I ask you a question? 298 00:22:18.000 --> 00:22:40.000 I'm sure that there's people yelling at the screen right now saying, Jack, ask her about like, who was the most, the most Christian, the most amazing, the most whatever NFL player, who comes to mind or what guys come to mind on the field off the field that you would say, wow, they were the real deal. 299 00:22:40.000 --> 00:22:50.000 The car is the first name that I'm thinking of right now. He's the quarterback for the Las Vegas Raiders. What a guy, what an amazing guy, what an amazing friend. 300 00:22:50.000 --> 00:23:00.000 One of his teammates was his best friend in Vegas, Calil Mac, who was a defensive lineman, big guy, who wanted to kneel for the flag for the anthem. 301 00:23:00.000 --> 00:23:10.000 And so what a Derek do, he stood next to him. He stood for the anthem, put his right hand on his heart, put his left hand on Calil's shoulder. 302 00:23:10.000 --> 00:23:20.000 And they were, and I get chills every time I think about it because those two were such fast friends. I'm sure they still are even though they're not on the same team any longer. 303 00:23:20.000 --> 00:23:30.000 You don't break a friendship like that. But that, that's the kind of person that Derek is. And he, he walks the walk every single day. 304 00:23:30.000 --> 00:23:40.000 And he is someone I can put in front of my son as an example. And so he's the first one that I would think of and say to everyone. 305 00:23:40.000 --> 00:23:51.000 Follow, you know, follow him in whatever way you like to, whether you just watch him in during games or see what he's all about. He's a great, great man. 306 00:23:51.000 --> 00:23:58.000 That's so refreshing to hear and exciting to hear. And there are many like him really. He's just the first one that came to me. Yes, yes, more than you think. 307 00:23:58.000 --> 00:24:05.000 So good to hear. Well, what can we expect to see from you in the future? What do you want us to see from you in the future? 308 00:24:05.000 --> 00:24:16.000 I want everyone to go to sideline sanity, my podcast and subscribe. We want to keep this going. We bring you interesting guests from a lot of different walks of life to talk about. 309 00:24:16.000 --> 00:24:25.000 I like to amplify voices like yours who are positive, who have a message, who have interesting things to say about the world around us. 310 00:24:25.000 --> 00:24:33.000 We cover a lot of different topics. And I will also talk to people with whom I disagree and will challenge each other. 311 00:24:33.000 --> 00:24:40.000 And I think that's important to do in a civil way and demonstrate that it can be done. And maybe we can even find agreement on some things. 312 00:24:40.000 --> 00:24:50.000 So that's that for now. And, you know, I do some appearances on gut felt and outnumbered on Fox News Channel every now and then. And so hopefully people will tune in for those as well. 313 00:24:50.000 --> 00:25:06.000 Well, listen, I'm not saying this because we're on the air. I would say this if we were off the air. And that is I personally believe because of what you've experienced, because of your notoriety, because of your commitment and convictions. 314 00:25:06.000 --> 00:25:20.000 I mean, I'm honestly expecting to see some incredible things come from you. And whatever that might be, if you choose to do, you know, media programming and your own show or whatever it might be, I think God's going to bless that. 315 00:25:20.000 --> 00:25:27.000 If you, if you take the route of politics, I think God's going to bless that. It is refreshing, Michelle, to talk to a woman of conviction. 316 00:25:27.000 --> 00:25:34.000 I hope you take this as a compliment. I have a dear friend, Michelle Bachman. She used to be. 317 00:25:34.000 --> 00:25:48.000 I know, Michelle. Yes. True to her convictions. I was talking with her last night on there's there. There's such a need for, oh, I hope this comes across. Well, please take this the right way. 318 00:25:48.000 --> 00:26:04.000 There, there's such a need for not only women to be strong, reasonable, logical, intellectual, and passionate about what they believe, but we need more men to be like that. 319 00:26:04.000 --> 00:26:16.000 We need more men to be like you, speaking truth, speaking it reasonably. You know what? If I could put a word on you, if I could label you, it's winsome. 320 00:26:16.000 --> 00:26:26.000 You can articulate, you can state your case, and it's winsome. And that is a, that's a very rare virtue to have in this day and age. 321 00:26:26.000 --> 00:26:39.000 So I thank you. That's a huge compliment. Thank you so much. Well, thank you. We're going to be keeping our eye on you. I want everybody to make sure that you guys go to her podcast site. In fact, guys, let's do what we normally do. 322 00:26:39.000 --> 00:26:55.000 Let's make sure Michelle, it's, it's sideline sanity. That's how they'll find you. Right. Okay. Yep. You can find it anywhere you download your podcast. You can also go to Michelle Tafoya dot com. It's Michelle with one L M I C H E L E. 323 00:26:55.000 --> 00:27:08.000 And you can find the podcast there. Okay. So let's do this everybody. Right now, make sure you hit subscribe. I want to see a gigantic bump in her numbers. 324 00:27:08.000 --> 00:27:37.000 And let's, let's do that. And, and guy, you got that would be awesome. Listen, I know it works, Michelle, because Charlie Kirk, we did that with him. It went crazy. Eric Metaxis did the same thing. Everybody, listen, let's do the same thing for Michelle. Let's, let's magnify her voice. She's doing a good thing. And I want to end with prayer. Lord, we thank you for Michelle. We thank you, Father, that you have preserved for her, her marriage and her children. And Lord, your Bible tells us. 325 00:27:37.000 --> 00:27:58.000 That when, when things have consumed us, in your word, it says when the moth or when rust consumes, you're able to restore. So Lord, it's not that her career and time and globe travel was moth or rust by no means. But Lord, her desire is to make up time now with her kids. 326 00:27:58.000 --> 00:28:19.000 So God, we pray that you would cause as it were a day, a month, a year with her kids now to be as it were 10 years or 20 years. Magnify her presence, Lord. We know that you can do that. Bless her life. And later along the way, you've got amazing plans for her. 327 00:28:19.000 --> 00:28:34.000 We're going to be excited to see what happens. And so Father, thank you for this time together. We thank you for Jesus who loves us. We thank you for the cross. Most importantly, we thank you for the empty tomb. Lord, we just give it all to you in Jesus name. Amen. God bless you, Michelle. Thank you. 328 00:28:34.000 --> 00:28:39.000 Thank you so much. Thank you. It's been a pleasure. Oh, wait.