WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:02.960 This is a clear example of the tragedy of the commons. 2 00:00:02.960 --> 00:00:07.040 So like global warming, that whole thing is tragedy of the commons. 3 00:00:07.040 --> 00:00:10.440 So everybody has to agree that we're all going to long-term do this thing. 4 00:00:10.440 --> 00:00:14.720 And if we don't, and any player can individually benefit themselves, 5 00:00:14.720 --> 00:00:16.360 players will benefit themselves. 6 00:00:19.600 --> 00:00:21.880 Welcome to the game where we talk about how to get more customers, 7 00:00:21.880 --> 00:00:23.880 how to make more customers, how to keep them longer, 8 00:00:23.880 --> 00:00:26.320 and the many failures and lessons we have learned along the way. 9 00:00:26.320 --> 00:00:27.640 I hope you enjoy and subscribe. 10 00:00:30.000 --> 00:00:35.400 With the angle of your mass production of content that is teaching people, 11 00:00:35.400 --> 00:00:40.480 was there a point when you made the idea to become popular, more popular, 12 00:00:40.480 --> 00:00:41.880 than you were at the time? 13 00:00:41.880 --> 00:00:42.480 Right, right. 14 00:00:42.480 --> 00:00:43.480 Yeah. 15 00:00:44.520 --> 00:00:49.440 Did you have to make a shift in your, because obviously running a bunch of companies 16 00:00:49.440 --> 00:00:52.720 is completely different in the time it takes to running a bunch of companies, 17 00:00:52.720 --> 00:00:57.920 and now I need to be a public figure and produce content and be active and all those things. 18 00:00:57.960 --> 00:01:00.720 How did that shift of balance of work happen, 19 00:01:00.720 --> 00:01:05.880 where you just like, delegate this now, and now I'm an Instagrammer, YouTuber guy. 20 00:01:06.880 --> 00:01:08.360 Well, the team's great. 21 00:01:08.360 --> 00:01:10.440 So honestly, I get a ton of leverage from them. 22 00:01:10.440 --> 00:01:14.440 You still have to sit down for hours and whatnot to make all these videos. 23 00:01:14.440 --> 00:01:18.120 I understand you're not editing them, but to sit down. 24 00:01:18.120 --> 00:01:18.640 We'll do this. 25 00:01:18.640 --> 00:01:21.080 Yeah, and yeah, you're going a lot of podcasts, 26 00:01:21.080 --> 00:01:24.000 which I'm like, well, a lot of people would maybe think of like, 27 00:01:24.000 --> 00:01:26.640 I'm a business owner like, I can't do anything. 28 00:01:26.640 --> 00:01:30.000 How is this guy so successful, and he can go on to our podcast every week? 29 00:01:30.000 --> 00:01:31.640 Yeah, I think the nature of work looks different. 30 00:01:31.640 --> 00:01:35.720 So I think the biggest misconception is like there's, you know, 31 00:01:35.720 --> 00:01:38.120 there's people talk about like, there's in the business, 32 00:01:38.120 --> 00:01:40.920 there's on the business, and then there's above the business. 33 00:01:40.920 --> 00:01:44.880 And so like the portfolio companies have CEOs, 34 00:01:44.880 --> 00:01:48.960 like they have people running, you know, their company day to day, 35 00:01:48.960 --> 00:01:52.960 and then, you know, at Hold Coast, acquisition.com, like Layla is actually the CEO. 36 00:01:52.960 --> 00:01:56.440 So Layla has a much harder time of balancing it than I do. 37 00:01:57.080 --> 00:02:00.280 My job is more so, get deal flow. 38 00:02:00.280 --> 00:02:03.240 Like that is, that's always been my hat in any business that we've owned. 39 00:02:03.240 --> 00:02:05.160 It's just make sure that we have people, the phone's ringing, 40 00:02:05.160 --> 00:02:06.680 and then people are knocking on the door. 41 00:02:06.680 --> 00:02:08.400 And so this is a way of doing it. 42 00:02:08.400 --> 00:02:12.240 So this is in some ways my primary responsibility. 43 00:02:12.240 --> 00:02:16.520 But in terms of time right now, I would say, 44 00:02:16.520 --> 00:02:19.520 probably one to one and a half days a week right now. 45 00:02:19.520 --> 00:02:20.880 And that's up from what it was last year. 46 00:02:20.880 --> 00:02:23.320 And so my goal is to do more of this. 47 00:02:23.320 --> 00:02:25.720 So I would like to continue to increase that percentage, 48 00:02:25.720 --> 00:02:27.080 which is different than like Gary. 49 00:02:27.080 --> 00:02:30.000 Gary's like, I'm running all day long and people are going to capture it. 50 00:02:30.000 --> 00:02:32.480 We're going to be more purposeful about curated content. 51 00:02:32.480 --> 00:02:35.960 Like I'm going to, we will put more time into our videos, 52 00:02:35.960 --> 00:02:39.680 into our shorts, into blog posts, into things like that. 53 00:02:39.680 --> 00:02:42.240 And I honestly, the big reason is because like I actually like it. 54 00:02:42.240 --> 00:02:43.240 I enjoy it a lot. 55 00:02:43.240 --> 00:02:44.320 And so that's what we do more of it. 56 00:02:44.320 --> 00:02:46.480 Do the ideas that I call your videos of, you know, 57 00:02:46.480 --> 00:02:48.760 do this to make $1,000 a day, whatever is that? 58 00:02:48.760 --> 00:02:50.440 Do you have a good notes in your phone of like, 59 00:02:50.440 --> 00:02:51.760 when you think I have cool ideas? 60 00:02:51.760 --> 00:02:53.320 And then when you go to film them, is it, 61 00:02:53.320 --> 00:02:55.680 I'm going to bang out 12 videos and change my shirt 62 00:02:55.680 --> 00:02:56.840 or not change my shirt or something, 63 00:02:56.840 --> 00:02:59.120 or is it, I'm going to film one, have another idea, 64 00:02:59.120 --> 00:03:01.240 or do you have like days where you do it or is it sporadic? 65 00:03:01.240 --> 00:03:02.080 Yeah. 66 00:03:02.080 --> 00:03:04.200 So how many video ideas do you have in your phone right now 67 00:03:04.200 --> 00:03:05.040 or in your brain? 68 00:03:05.040 --> 00:03:07.240 So my video, you can look at my video idea of board. 69 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:08.320 It's public. 70 00:03:08.320 --> 00:03:09.720 It's my Twitter. 71 00:03:09.720 --> 00:03:10.560 Okay. 72 00:03:10.560 --> 00:03:12.120 So Twitter is my homepage. 73 00:03:12.120 --> 00:03:14.000 So that's like, it's so funny because some people were like, 74 00:03:14.000 --> 00:03:14.800 I thought you had a ghost rate. 75 00:03:14.800 --> 00:03:16.240 It's like, that's me all day long, 76 00:03:16.240 --> 00:03:18.880 just tweeting ideas of like things that I think are interesting 77 00:03:18.880 --> 00:03:20.200 or funny or whatever. 78 00:03:20.200 --> 00:03:21.640 And then the team grabs from that is like, 79 00:03:21.640 --> 00:03:22.680 I think this will be a bang or video. 80 00:03:22.720 --> 00:03:23.800 I think this would be a great short. 81 00:03:23.800 --> 00:03:26.800 I think this would be a great whatever post. 82 00:03:26.800 --> 00:03:28.560 And so all my, like my Instagram posts 83 00:03:28.560 --> 00:03:30.960 and the short videos come from Twitter. 84 00:03:30.960 --> 00:03:33.440 That's for me, that's my easy brain dump. 85 00:03:33.440 --> 00:03:38.280 In terms of recording, we've been doing every other week 86 00:03:38.280 --> 00:03:42.160 one day and that's where we do a few longs and shorts. 87 00:03:42.160 --> 00:03:43.160 Like today is a recording day. 88 00:03:43.160 --> 00:03:44.080 So I was recording before this 89 00:03:44.080 --> 00:03:45.880 and I'll be recording after this. 90 00:03:45.880 --> 00:03:47.160 Fridays are usually my day. 91 00:03:47.160 --> 00:03:48.640 And so that's how we do it now. 92 00:03:48.640 --> 00:03:50.640 Now I would like to get to, you know, once a week. 93 00:03:50.640 --> 00:03:52.800 So when I said a day and a half, 94 00:03:52.800 --> 00:03:54.280 part of that's like the mental head space 95 00:03:54.280 --> 00:03:55.560 of like, okay, game planning things, 96 00:03:55.560 --> 00:03:57.440 like conversations I'm having around the media. 97 00:03:57.440 --> 00:03:58.280 Right. 98 00:03:59.480 --> 00:04:00.320 And if you include the book, 99 00:04:00.320 --> 00:04:01.240 then it's even more than that. 100 00:04:01.240 --> 00:04:05.560 Cause the book takes probably a day and a half a week too. 101 00:04:05.560 --> 00:04:06.800 The book. 102 00:04:06.800 --> 00:04:09.920 So 100 million offers is the book that I put out, 103 00:04:09.920 --> 00:04:11.040 but I have a second book that's coming out 104 00:04:11.040 --> 00:04:12.240 after that, 100 million dollar leads. 105 00:04:12.240 --> 00:04:13.400 Well, you have the gym launch book 106 00:04:13.400 --> 00:04:14.400 and the $100 million offer. 107 00:04:14.400 --> 00:04:15.800 So this is the third book. 108 00:04:15.800 --> 00:04:17.000 Those books aren't related. 109 00:04:17.000 --> 00:04:18.920 How do you have so much time in the day, dude? 110 00:04:18.920 --> 00:04:20.800 You're a machine. 111 00:04:20.800 --> 00:04:22.440 Layla, okay. 112 00:04:22.440 --> 00:04:24.440 Layla, like Layla, like Layla runs shit. 113 00:04:24.440 --> 00:04:27.720 Like Layla, it's a, it's a, it's a, it's a travesty. 114 00:04:29.760 --> 00:04:33.200 If Layla were a guy and we were just business partners 115 00:04:33.200 --> 00:04:35.520 and not married, she would be more popular 116 00:04:35.520 --> 00:04:37.200 than I am by a mile. 117 00:04:37.200 --> 00:04:40.360 She just doesn't get the credit because she's a girl. 118 00:04:40.360 --> 00:04:41.200 Hmm. 119 00:04:41.200 --> 00:04:42.040 Why do you think that is? 120 00:04:42.040 --> 00:04:44.680 Because there aren't many girls who are successful. 121 00:04:44.680 --> 00:04:46.760 I mean, like if you look at the Forbes list 122 00:04:46.760 --> 00:04:48.440 of female billionaires, 123 00:04:48.480 --> 00:04:51.240 like the top girl is like, I don't know, 12 billion. 124 00:04:51.240 --> 00:04:56.760 Top girl is like an old lady who has a roofing company. 125 00:04:56.760 --> 00:04:57.600 What? 126 00:04:57.600 --> 00:04:58.760 Yeah. 127 00:04:58.760 --> 00:05:02.080 But like, to be on the top, on the Forbes, 128 00:05:02.080 --> 00:05:04.480 on the top 100 self-made, self-made, 129 00:05:04.480 --> 00:05:06.160 because you can marry, you know, McKinsey basis 130 00:05:06.160 --> 00:05:07.960 is number one, you know, technically whatever. 131 00:05:07.960 --> 00:05:11.400 But self-made female entrepreneurs, 132 00:05:11.400 --> 00:05:13.880 to be on that list is 250 million, 133 00:05:15.200 --> 00:05:17.360 to be on the guys list of top 400. 134 00:05:17.360 --> 00:05:19.680 So four times as many, like to get on the list, 135 00:05:19.680 --> 00:05:21.520 you gotta be like three billion. 136 00:05:21.520 --> 00:05:22.360 What? 137 00:05:22.360 --> 00:05:23.800 There's just not as many. 138 00:05:23.800 --> 00:05:25.920 And who, you know, nature, nurture, whatever. 139 00:05:25.920 --> 00:05:27.880 But like, Layla's a player. 140 00:05:27.880 --> 00:05:29.040 You're like, Layla's a gangster. 141 00:05:29.040 --> 00:05:32.680 And the reason that my income, you know, 142 00:05:32.680 --> 00:05:36.120 catapulted as soon as she and I poked up, 143 00:05:38.640 --> 00:05:39.840 it was her, you know what I mean? 144 00:05:39.840 --> 00:05:41.640 Like, I had six gyms, but like, I was, you know, 145 00:05:41.640 --> 00:05:42.680 I wasn't raking it. 146 00:05:42.680 --> 00:05:44.960 And I mean, we made probably a few million bucks a year, 147 00:05:44.960 --> 00:05:46.280 top line, but not bottom line. 148 00:05:46.280 --> 00:05:48.520 You know, it's a, it's a low margin business. 149 00:05:48.520 --> 00:05:49.880 Um, and I know, I'll tell you this, 150 00:05:49.880 --> 00:05:51.080 I never felt like I had money. 151 00:05:51.080 --> 00:05:54.680 Um, and then when she and I got together, it was like, 152 00:05:55.640 --> 00:05:59.560 she just, she was just willing to do whatever it took. 153 00:05:59.560 --> 00:06:03.560 Like, I told her, um, I was like the number one thing 154 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:06.240 that she's just fucking down. 155 00:06:06.240 --> 00:06:08.760 Like, I was like, we're gonna go and not sleep for a month 156 00:06:08.760 --> 00:06:10.080 and like walk on fire. 157 00:06:10.080 --> 00:06:11.880 She's like, all right, I mean, let's go. 158 00:06:11.880 --> 00:06:13.120 Dan, you didn't, you didn't sleep for a month 159 00:06:13.120 --> 00:06:13.960 and you walked on fire? 160 00:06:13.960 --> 00:06:14.800 Yep. 161 00:06:14.800 --> 00:06:15.640 That's crazy. 162 00:06:16.200 --> 00:06:17.920 That's like a rider die, you know? 163 00:06:17.920 --> 00:06:18.760 A hundred percent. 164 00:06:18.760 --> 00:06:20.480 And that's why in the first book, she's, that's the, 165 00:06:20.480 --> 00:06:22.720 that's the thank you, um, as she is my rider die. 166 00:06:22.720 --> 00:06:26.760 So, um, I think you got to find that person if you can, 167 00:06:26.760 --> 00:06:27.360 because most people, 168 00:06:27.360 --> 00:06:29.520 and married people who are constantly making compromises 169 00:06:29.520 --> 00:06:31.600 with them, I've like, you can only work this much, 170 00:06:31.600 --> 00:06:33.200 you can only pursue this much of your dream. 171 00:06:33.200 --> 00:06:35.080 And either you create a super distant marriage 172 00:06:35.080 --> 00:06:36.280 where one person just resents the other 173 00:06:36.280 --> 00:06:39.160 and is like, whatever, um, or one, or they both compromise. 174 00:06:39.160 --> 00:06:40.800 You know, and, um, I've been fortunate 175 00:06:40.800 --> 00:06:43.000 that I have a partner who wants to do it just as much as I do. 176 00:06:43.000 --> 00:06:45.240 And so we get two times the output rather than half 177 00:06:45.280 --> 00:06:46.760 of my output or just one X at my output. 178 00:06:46.760 --> 00:06:48.840 Do you think that, uh, you know, 179 00:06:48.840 --> 00:06:50.800 and we're not going to live in like an alternate universe here, 180 00:06:50.800 --> 00:06:53.240 but do you think that if you found someone that wasn't 181 00:06:53.240 --> 00:06:57.360 as business savvy, focused, determined, driven, 182 00:06:57.360 --> 00:07:00.440 as your current wife, do you think it would have completely 183 00:07:00.440 --> 00:07:02.480 changed your, do you think that you, you could, 184 00:07:02.480 --> 00:07:04.040 you could still do the things you do 185 00:07:04.040 --> 00:07:05.920 and maybe have someone who wants to live 186 00:07:05.920 --> 00:07:09.440 that casual second part of like the day, the life, 187 00:07:09.440 --> 00:07:12.240 the evening type of thing, rather than business focused. 188 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:13.880 Like do you think it's important for people who are trying 189 00:07:13.880 --> 00:07:17.200 to be that grind entrepreneur, that they have to find this 190 00:07:17.200 --> 00:07:21.040 other half that's like them with the same business mindset? 191 00:07:21.040 --> 00:07:22.600 Yeah, I won't speak in half twos. 192 00:07:22.600 --> 00:07:25.040 Um, I can say for me, 193 00:07:26.680 --> 00:07:28.560 this, now that I have this, 194 00:07:28.560 --> 00:07:30.440 I don't know how I would not have this. 195 00:07:30.440 --> 00:07:32.880 Yeah, um, I had relationships in the past 196 00:07:32.880 --> 00:07:35.120 and I have all the love and respect for those people. 197 00:07:35.120 --> 00:07:37.320 Um, but the dynamic was much more kind of what you're saying, 198 00:07:37.320 --> 00:07:39.080 which is like, hey, stop working. 199 00:07:39.080 --> 00:07:40.520 Let's go, you know, be social and do that. 200 00:07:40.520 --> 00:07:42.360 And I could definitely rationalize the fact that it's like, 201 00:07:42.360 --> 00:07:45.240 hey, it's good to have some balance in my life and whatever. 202 00:07:45.240 --> 00:07:48.880 But like, in some ways, balance is silly. 203 00:07:50.000 --> 00:07:51.480 Because like, in a different, 204 00:07:51.480 --> 00:07:52.840 saying it a different way, it's like, hey, 205 00:07:52.840 --> 00:07:54.040 stop doing the thing you like the most 206 00:07:54.040 --> 00:07:55.160 and do something you like less. 207 00:07:56.120 --> 00:07:56.960 That's balance. 208 00:07:56.960 --> 00:07:58.240 I'm like, why? 209 00:07:58.240 --> 00:08:00.280 Why don't I just do more of the thing I like more of? 210 00:08:00.280 --> 00:08:02.200 Like a lot of it is just taking external judgments 211 00:08:02.200 --> 00:08:06.000 on what we're supposed to do based on some arbitrary, 212 00:08:06.000 --> 00:08:08.880 societal rule and projecting it on our lives 213 00:08:08.880 --> 00:08:10.360 and saying what we're doing is good or bad. 214 00:08:10.360 --> 00:08:12.320 And I just fundamentally reject that. 215 00:08:12.480 --> 00:08:13.520 We do what we want to do. 216 00:08:13.520 --> 00:08:15.080 And if we want to work for 30 days straight, 217 00:08:15.080 --> 00:08:16.080 then we work for 30 days straight. 218 00:08:16.080 --> 00:08:17.200 And we want to take three days off. 219 00:08:17.200 --> 00:08:18.000 We take three days off. 220 00:08:18.000 --> 00:08:20.160 Like, I just, it just is. 221 00:08:20.680 --> 00:08:22.560 So do you think that people, 222 00:08:22.920 --> 00:08:24.600 uh, I think there's a lot of the mindset, 223 00:08:24.600 --> 00:08:25.880 especially with the whole, you know, 224 00:08:25.880 --> 00:08:27.520 like red pill stuff of like, you know, 225 00:08:27.520 --> 00:08:29.240 especially when you're trying to build a super filling with that. 226 00:08:29.680 --> 00:08:30.200 Okay. 227 00:08:30.440 --> 00:08:34.480 Well, um, I guess the best phrase to say would be, 228 00:08:34.880 --> 00:08:35.760 especially when people are coming up, 229 00:08:35.760 --> 00:08:38.360 it'd be like disregard women acquire wealth. 230 00:08:38.360 --> 00:08:40.520 Car currency, you know, it's like, um, 231 00:08:40.560 --> 00:08:43.680 that kind of mindset of like, I don't, I, 232 00:08:44.120 --> 00:08:46.520 I can't get a partner or like a significant other, um, 233 00:08:46.560 --> 00:08:50.680 until I get to this point or do you think people can build something with it or, 234 00:08:50.920 --> 00:08:54.080 um, like, how's your thought on people who maybe are single? 235 00:08:54.520 --> 00:08:55.840 And want to build a business. 236 00:08:55.840 --> 00:09:00.200 Do you think they should only focus on themselves and not try to have that 237 00:09:00.560 --> 00:09:04.480 relationship balance or wait until they find the, yeah, I won't, I won't 238 00:09:04.480 --> 00:09:07.320 should because I don't believe in sheds, but, um, I will say, 239 00:09:08.320 --> 00:09:13.000 if you make more money sooner, you will attract more attractive women. 240 00:09:14.000 --> 00:09:16.680 That being said, they may be more attractive physically, 241 00:09:16.680 --> 00:09:19.240 but then if they came to you because you have money, 242 00:09:19.240 --> 00:09:20.680 then why do you think they're there? 243 00:09:21.400 --> 00:09:23.800 And so it really just depends on what kind of relationship you want to have. 244 00:09:23.800 --> 00:09:26.440 And so, you know, there's a reason that they have like the stories of like the 245 00:09:26.440 --> 00:09:27.800 popper and the prince or what, you know, 246 00:09:27.800 --> 00:09:30.840 what, where the guy pretends like he doesn't have money to find a girl who actually likes him. 247 00:09:31.080 --> 00:09:34.680 Because I mean, it's great for Instagram to have the, 248 00:09:34.920 --> 00:09:38.040 the model next to you or whatever it is so that you can gain status from that. 249 00:09:38.040 --> 00:09:41.560 But like when you're alone at night and the person that's in bed with you, 250 00:09:41.560 --> 00:09:45.000 you like have no shared reality and everything that they believe about the world. 251 00:09:45.000 --> 00:09:45.320 You hate. 252 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:47.960 Is it worth it? 253 00:09:48.280 --> 00:09:50.360 That's some deep shit for me. 254 00:09:50.360 --> 00:09:53.960 It's not, you know, uh, my, just to give you a little insight on my, 255 00:09:53.960 --> 00:09:56.600 my relationships, I've been, I was single for seven, eight years, 256 00:09:57.320 --> 00:09:59.720 and I was very transparent with that on YouTube. 257 00:09:59.720 --> 00:10:02.760 And I was like the single guy for just, it was like, I was going to be the single. 258 00:10:02.760 --> 00:10:05.000 I was going to be the cool uncle, I was going to be the cool, you know, whatever. 259 00:10:05.720 --> 00:10:11.800 And I, you know, started building businesses and became, you know, on a relative, 260 00:10:11.800 --> 00:10:13.720 uh, very successful at what I'm doing. 261 00:10:13.720 --> 00:10:18.120 And when I found my current girlfriend who were a year in and it's the best thing that's ever happened 262 00:10:18.120 --> 00:10:24.040 to me, you know, we got a lot of, or I got a lot of, you know, this person's only with you now 263 00:10:24.040 --> 00:10:25.080 because you're successful. 264 00:10:25.080 --> 00:10:28.120 And I think a lot of people were you say, you know, hey, build, you know, 265 00:10:28.120 --> 00:10:30.920 get yourself, uh, get to a point where, you know, you're successful. 266 00:10:31.000 --> 00:10:36.440 And then the, the higher level of, of women or partners, like, well, we'll be there. 267 00:10:37.800 --> 00:10:41.640 A lot of people will just assume that when you get there, the only people that you're 268 00:10:41.640 --> 00:10:44.920 going to be able to find are people that are going to want you for your money. 269 00:10:44.920 --> 00:10:47.800 So I'll, I want to add up how to successful people find women. 270 00:10:47.800 --> 00:10:49.240 I want to, I want to put it really important. 271 00:10:49.240 --> 00:10:50.520 Yeah, I think this is really good. 272 00:10:52.120 --> 00:10:55.960 You want somebody who's attracted to you because of your character, not because of your assets. 273 00:10:55.960 --> 00:10:59.480 And so if the character is the thing that created the assets and that's what they're attracted to, 274 00:10:59.480 --> 00:11:01.080 then if you lose the assets, they still love you. 275 00:11:02.040 --> 00:11:05.000 If they are attracted to you because of the assets and what those assets can do for them, 276 00:11:05.000 --> 00:11:08.200 and you were just a part of that package, then that is something that I would run the other way 277 00:11:08.200 --> 00:11:09.400 from. But again, that's me. 278 00:11:09.400 --> 00:11:12.760 Some, there are people that I know who have that relationship. 279 00:11:12.760 --> 00:11:15.240 And from everything that I can see are very content. 280 00:11:15.240 --> 00:11:17.480 And they, and they have clear expectations. 281 00:11:17.480 --> 00:11:19.240 They know that it's a transactional relationship. 282 00:11:19.800 --> 00:11:22.360 Sheen, and this is a guy girl that, you know, the guy where the guy's making it. 283 00:11:23.000 --> 00:11:26.680 The girl knows that when, you know, daddy has to work, daddy's going to work. 284 00:11:26.760 --> 00:11:29.400 You know what I mean? And then she understands that her lifestyle is a result of the fact that he 285 00:11:29.400 --> 00:11:33.320 works. And she's less demanding because he says, I can't have you demanding. And if I'm here, 286 00:11:33.320 --> 00:11:37.400 and we only see each other for two hours a week, and it's when we go to the pool thing, 287 00:11:37.400 --> 00:11:40.520 and you have your girlfriends around, that's how he unplugs. 288 00:11:40.520 --> 00:11:44.920 I think it's really not about the shoulds. It's about like how it works for you. 289 00:11:45.640 --> 00:11:52.200 For me, I want a partner who I can share my life with, the battles, the scars, the things 290 00:11:52.200 --> 00:11:56.040 that we're going through. And for me, if I don't have somebody that I can share that with, 291 00:11:56.680 --> 00:12:03.000 I feel very alone. And I don't like that. And so, or rather lonely. 292 00:12:03.880 --> 00:12:08.120 And so I've been in relationships where I feel unbelievably lonely, because I just feel like 293 00:12:08.120 --> 00:12:15.160 I'm the only person going through this. And so having her as my partner, we can have, we can have, 294 00:12:15.160 --> 00:12:19.400 we can talk about business all day, which is what all I want to do anyways. And so she wants to do. 295 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:23.960 And it's great. And again, this is just what works for me. Some people don't function that way. 296 00:12:23.960 --> 00:12:28.120 And that's fine. I would just say that if what you're currently doing is not working, 297 00:12:28.120 --> 00:12:34.440 consider an alternative. Yeah, I agree. I agree. And with building yourself up and building, 298 00:12:34.440 --> 00:12:40.440 maybe to get to this point where again, relationships and super happy in life, and you talked about 299 00:12:40.440 --> 00:12:46.680 the Forbes lists, is there a number that you have in your head that you're clearly someone who 300 00:12:46.680 --> 00:12:53.240 enjoys building, enjoys creating, enjoys the grind, right? You know, whether you have internal 301 00:12:53.240 --> 00:12:58.040 improving myself, I can do this, I can get to this number. Is there a number that will hit to that 302 00:12:58.040 --> 00:13:06.680 will, you know, satisfy you? Well, I'm satisfied playing the game. And so it's like the person who loves 303 00:13:06.680 --> 00:13:12.040 walking versus the person who loves the destination. I'm walking so I'm good. And because of that, 304 00:13:12.040 --> 00:13:15.800 I'll probably keep walking. And so if I keep walking, we'll start, you know, knocking over 305 00:13:15.800 --> 00:13:19.960 milestones, but I'm walking because I like walking. And the milestones just happen. The mile markers 306 00:13:19.960 --> 00:13:26.920 just continue as you just keep walking. So, you know, the tangent, you know, the hard goals are just 307 00:13:26.920 --> 00:13:32.920 milestones that you hit, but like, it doesn't matter. And you're not, well, yeah, because yeah, 308 00:13:32.920 --> 00:13:37.960 certain point more money is not going to do anything for you, right? And, you know, an interesting 309 00:13:38.040 --> 00:13:43.320 thing is always like, I want to create wealth for the next generation, the next generation. And, 310 00:13:44.840 --> 00:13:52.040 you're not so much of a tangible Bugatti, you know, Lamborghini guy. I know you went through a 311 00:13:52.040 --> 00:13:56.680 phase where you sold everything. I mean, I know you were, I watched a bunch of your videos in your 312 00:13:56.680 --> 00:14:01.480 mindset on how you spend your money is very interesting to me about, you know, the place where you 313 00:14:01.480 --> 00:14:04.440 live rather than having a house where you had to, you know, maintain the house and have all the 314 00:14:04.440 --> 00:14:10.520 cleaners. And even your opinion on food, what is your, like, why don't you feel like you want to 315 00:14:10.520 --> 00:14:16.040 have a fancy car, big, fancy house? I don't know. Yeah. Do you have any fancy watches or anything? 316 00:14:16.040 --> 00:14:21.160 No. What's the dumbest thing you ever spent your money on? A Bentley. How much was that? 317 00:14:21.160 --> 00:14:26.280 Three, 50, I think. And then when you got it where you like, this is sick or you like, I hate 318 00:14:26.360 --> 00:14:33.960 myself. It just, it, it, it was nothing. Yeah. I was like, this is another car, you know what I mean? 319 00:14:33.960 --> 00:14:38.920 And it, it, it conferred no incremental benefit to my life. So like, I spend tons of money on 320 00:14:38.920 --> 00:14:43.000 gym equipment because I love gym equipment. You know what I mean? Like, I loved, I have too much of 321 00:14:43.000 --> 00:14:46.760 it and I still want to buy more. And it's fun. And it's one of the few things that I drive a lot of 322 00:14:46.760 --> 00:14:50.520 joy from in my life. Where do you put your gym equipment? It will be in our office that we're building. 323 00:14:50.520 --> 00:14:54.040 Okay. But I mean, before that, it was in my house. I don't full commercial gym in my house. 324 00:14:54.040 --> 00:14:59.320 And your big, you spend your money on, I guess you could say experiences, but like food, like, 325 00:14:59.320 --> 00:15:05.080 your take on food is very, I, I could agree with a lot of it. Can you explain your only sour, 326 00:15:05.080 --> 00:15:11.080 sour candies? No, specifically sour strips, everyone. That's been my diet the past couple of days. 327 00:15:11.080 --> 00:15:17.320 But your, I saw something on Instagram recently. And it got the comments made me want to like, 328 00:15:17.320 --> 00:15:21.480 smash my face against the table because I feel like people take certain things for exactly the 329 00:15:21.480 --> 00:15:27.480 face value and they're not like extrapolating it. You said about, like, cooking food is dumb, 330 00:15:28.360 --> 00:15:33.240 bile or food. What do explain that? Yeah, I mean, it's just opportunity cost. So like, if you are, 331 00:15:33.240 --> 00:15:36.200 if you are something I said, if you were, if you're making $15 an hour or more, 332 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:40.840 then the amount of time that it cost, at least for me, when I went to the grocery store, 333 00:15:41.400 --> 00:15:47.640 like, I made my list, checked it twice, went to Costco, bought all the food, came back, unpacked it, 334 00:15:48.520 --> 00:15:54.760 prepped it, cooked it, boxed it, put it in the fridge. And then every time I would eat it, 335 00:15:54.760 --> 00:16:01.080 I would take it out, I would eat the food, I would clean my dishes, like all of that cost me more 336 00:16:01.080 --> 00:16:05.640 time than just working that period and then eating out like the incremental cost difference as a 337 00:16:05.640 --> 00:16:09.960 single guy with families. It's a little bit, but as a single guy, if you only need to make for one, 338 00:16:10.680 --> 00:16:14.040 oftentimes you have to cook twice anyways because like by this six day the chicken starts looking 339 00:16:14.040 --> 00:16:17.640 weird. Yeah. It starts running a third. They're like, well, the fuck is the top of my 340 00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:21.640 tub of work container? There's an eyeball growing in there. And so, so now it's like, now I'm cooking 341 00:16:21.640 --> 00:16:25.560 twice a week, right? And so when I started adding up the math, I was like, the math didn't pencil out. 342 00:16:25.560 --> 00:16:31.800 And to be fair, I made more than $15 an hour. And so for me, I was, I've been selling since I've 343 00:16:31.800 --> 00:16:35.880 been an entrepreneur. And so I knew that if I just worked my leads for a day, I would make an extra 344 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:43.800 grant. So there was just, there was never, it just never made sense. And so my, the message of that 345 00:16:43.800 --> 00:16:48.840 is do the math. Like if you make $2 an hour by all means, you know, go, like go to the grocery, 346 00:16:48.840 --> 00:16:53.560 you know, do do all that stuff. But if you, if you make just pencil out how long it actually 347 00:16:53.560 --> 00:17:00.440 cost you in all the costs, clean prep, cook, grocery shop, plant, all of that cost for most people, 348 00:17:00.520 --> 00:17:05.640 it's like 10 hours a week. Yeah. 10 hours a week. I'm like, that's a, that's a quarter of a 349 00:17:05.640 --> 00:17:11.480 work week. If I had a quarter to my income, and then how much is the incremental cost compared to 350 00:17:11.480 --> 00:17:16.040 the groceries, that delta, is it more than 25% of my income? That's probably the easiest equation. 351 00:17:16.040 --> 00:17:20.440 If it's more than 25% of my income, that, that delta, then I shouldn't, I shouldn't do it. 352 00:17:20.440 --> 00:17:25.080 Is that how your brain works whenever you go to like do anything? So I was like, 353 00:17:25.080 --> 00:17:28.920 doing a swing in a chipotle, be like, well, I did the math on how long it would take to sit in that 354 00:17:28.920 --> 00:17:32.680 line over there. And I believe that that McDonald's would give me more valuable time if I go through 355 00:17:32.680 --> 00:17:39.080 that. It's cheaper. Is that how you're like brain works? Yeah. 100%. I want to hear with optimizing your 356 00:17:39.080 --> 00:17:44.280 time and optimizing efficiency. I want to dive a little bit into AI because that's going to change 357 00:17:44.280 --> 00:17:50.360 the world. And I watched your video. And what is, why are you so bullish on AI? I mean, I don't think 358 00:17:50.360 --> 00:17:58.600 we're going to stop AI. Yeah. Yeah. I mean, the only, so interesting. I think, um, so there's 359 00:17:59.560 --> 00:18:03.400 it's like, I don't even know if government intervention could stop AI. Like, it's just the wheels of 360 00:18:03.400 --> 00:18:08.200 progress don't stop turning. They never have in the history of humanity to my knowledge. Like, 361 00:18:08.200 --> 00:18:13.400 they don't really stop turning unless it's super niche. And there's tons of money that can squash a 362 00:18:13.400 --> 00:18:16.920 tiny invention like a light bulb that lasts forever. And then like Phillips and all the other 363 00:18:16.920 --> 00:18:21.560 companies like buy the company and then don't produce the product because it cuts into their margins 364 00:18:21.560 --> 00:18:27.400 or whatever. Um, but this, it's already too big in my opinion. And the wealth that can be generated 365 00:18:27.480 --> 00:18:33.320 from AI is too large for any person to stop. Um, and very transparently, I'm very afraid of it. 366 00:18:34.200 --> 00:18:40.280 Because every other innovation to this point has been around a specific improvement in human 367 00:18:40.280 --> 00:18:44.280 productivity. So the industrial revolution, you know, revolution, agriculture revolution, 368 00:18:44.280 --> 00:18:48.040 like these were all improvements in how we did things and we became more productive and the people 369 00:18:48.040 --> 00:18:53.800 just moved up a level in productivity. This is an invention that can undermine the human 370 00:18:53.800 --> 00:18:58.120 institution because if a robot can human better than humans can, then what is left for humans to do? 371 00:18:58.760 --> 00:19:02.200 I'm scared to AI too because I've seen I robot and I know it happens in the fucking movie. 372 00:19:02.200 --> 00:19:07.960 Yeah, exactly. It's just you and a dog. And so it's not a bad life. But, um, but yeah, so 373 00:19:08.680 --> 00:19:12.520 I think that they're made in a very weird way. You might actually see people moving out of 374 00:19:12.520 --> 00:19:16.200 really developed countries into undeveloped countries because they don't have AI and they might 375 00:19:16.200 --> 00:19:20.120 be like back to normal. That's like a weird, like potential prediction all throughout there. 376 00:19:20.920 --> 00:19:25.320 Black mirror shit. Yeah, you might see people moving to Africa because like AI hasn't taken over yet. 377 00:19:25.320 --> 00:19:29.480 Do you that I think one of I mean, there's a lot of people's opinions on that. 378 00:19:30.520 --> 00:19:34.360 One of the large ones I would say is like, you know, the the South Park like they took her 379 00:19:34.360 --> 00:19:38.600 jobs, you know, like they're taking the jobs of the people. And what's interesting is 380 00:19:39.160 --> 00:19:43.240 people really want to fight it because you know, we want to get I understand like we want to give 381 00:19:43.240 --> 00:19:47.960 jobs to people. But then they're when they go to the grocery store, they they hate staying in the 382 00:19:47.960 --> 00:19:51.480 line for the one checkout person, but they're like, they love the self checkout because it's so 383 00:19:51.480 --> 00:19:54.760 fast. Like they're starting to like, well, that's okay because it's really fast for me to get 384 00:19:54.760 --> 00:19:59.880 in and out of my groceries. But like it like when it affects them in a certain way, they allow it or 385 00:19:59.880 --> 00:20:05.400 like don't mind it. But they hate how, you know, at McDonald's instead of needing a person to take 386 00:20:05.400 --> 00:20:10.280 your order, you can just tap on the machine. Mm hmm. So this is this is a clear example of the 387 00:20:10.280 --> 00:20:16.040 tragedy of the comments. So like global warming, that whole thing is tragedy of the comments. 388 00:20:16.040 --> 00:20:20.040 So everybody has to agree that we're all going to long term do this thing. And if we don't, 389 00:20:20.040 --> 00:20:25.320 and any player can individually like benefit themselves, but players will benefit themselves. 390 00:20:25.320 --> 00:20:30.600 Right. And so the example you gave with McDonald's, it's like no one like most people don't want 391 00:20:30.600 --> 00:20:38.280 global warming. Most people don't want a AI to take their job, but they're okay with it taking 392 00:20:38.280 --> 00:20:42.360 someone else's job. And the thing is, is that we're going to vote with our dollars in the way 393 00:20:42.440 --> 00:20:48.520 that's most convenient for us. And so we will vote locally for the things that's convenient for us. 394 00:20:48.520 --> 00:20:52.680 But instead of doing invest globally in the thing that will put us out of business. And so 395 00:20:54.040 --> 00:20:58.200 for that reason, I don't think it it will be stopped because you said, I think people are going 396 00:20:58.200 --> 00:21:01.160 to vote with their dollars that they're fine with an AI checkout person and they're going to have 397 00:21:01.160 --> 00:21:04.680 an entirely automated Starbucks. Like I think that they will vote that way because they'll get 398 00:21:04.680 --> 00:21:08.440 cheaper coffee, they'll get it faster and they won't mess up the order. I think it just shifts, 399 00:21:08.440 --> 00:21:14.360 you know, instead of the people working, you know, that the machines replaced, now they will 400 00:21:14.360 --> 00:21:18.280 need people to build the machines or make the machines until they have machines that make the 401 00:21:18.280 --> 00:21:21.560 machines. But then they'll need machines to build those machines that build the machines. 402 00:21:22.440 --> 00:21:27.000 How do you think it's like, when do you think it'll stop in terms of the cutting? 403 00:21:28.200 --> 00:21:35.160 Like I guess like what is the future for the jobs for basic entry level jobs when machines 404 00:21:35.160 --> 00:21:42.040 and AI can do all of the things for you, the chat. Yeah, it's like things like that of write a 405 00:21:42.040 --> 00:21:48.360 website, write a code, create a thing of, you know, where is the shift of where jobs you think 406 00:21:48.360 --> 00:21:50.760 are secure? Because people need to get there. We'll go there. 407 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:57.560 We'll go guys. You guys already know that I don't run any ads on this and I don't sell anything. 408 00:21:57.560 --> 00:22:00.920 And so the only ask that I can ever have if you guys that you help me spread the words we 409 00:22:00.920 --> 00:22:05.320 cannot more entrepreneurs, make more money, feed their families, make better products and have 410 00:22:05.320 --> 00:22:09.720 better experiences for their employees and customers. And the only way we do that is if you can 411 00:22:09.720 --> 00:22:14.360 rate and review and share this podcast. So the single thing that I have to do is you can just leave 412 00:22:14.360 --> 00:22:18.360 a review, let's take 10 seconds or one type of the thug that it means the absolute will to me and 413 00:22:18.360 --> 00:22:24.120 more importantly, it may change the world for someone else. I've stumped them. I've stumped them 414 00:22:24.120 --> 00:22:30.360 everyone. I don't know because again, as soon as AI can human better than a human can, 415 00:22:31.240 --> 00:22:35.160 it's tough. Like right now, the knowledge-based skills are going to go first, which is 416 00:22:35.160 --> 00:22:38.920 reverse what people thought. They expected it to be blue collar. Like if you had asked people 417 00:22:38.920 --> 00:22:42.280 two years ago, what's AI going to fix first, they're going to be like, well, all the low-skilled 418 00:22:42.280 --> 00:22:46.040 jobs, all the labor, that's going to get replaced first. And then it'll be the slightly lower-skilled 419 00:22:46.040 --> 00:22:49.800 white collar jobs and then the higher-skilled white collar jobs like programmers and things like 420 00:22:49.800 --> 00:22:55.160 that. And then finally, maybe the creatives. But it's been the exact opposite of that. It started 421 00:22:55.160 --> 00:23:00.760 with the most creative things like making images and paintings and pictures and essays and words 422 00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:06.920 like most of human communication in a creative venue. Like it can do that first. And robotics is 423 00:23:06.920 --> 00:23:10.360 already there in terms of being able to do better than what a human can. It just hasn't become 424 00:23:10.360 --> 00:23:14.360 cost efficient. But we know on any time horizon that technology becomes more efficient over time. 425 00:23:14.360 --> 00:23:20.280 And when that AI brain meets this robot body, it can now do what humans can do in the real world. 426 00:23:21.240 --> 00:23:25.480 And so like where do humans go? That's fundamentally the issue. They've have a four and a half year 427 00:23:25.480 --> 00:23:30.280 UBI study that's being undertaken by OpenAI because they I'm pretty sure know what's going to happen. 428 00:23:30.760 --> 00:23:36.120 Which is that many many and like even if there are like to your point like even if there are jobs 429 00:23:36.120 --> 00:23:43.720 that like some humans can do most humans can't. And so like chat GBT writes better than like 60% of 430 00:23:43.720 --> 00:23:51.160 Americans. And 15 seconds as well. Right. And that's today. The question is what chat GBT 100 can do. 431 00:23:51.160 --> 00:23:54.360 Maybe writes better than all humans because there's something called the drift which is 432 00:23:55.320 --> 00:23:59.560 right now AI is learning from humans right. It's learning from the stuff we do and it's mimicking that. 433 00:23:59.560 --> 00:24:04.440 But in a future iteration, it will learn from itself. It'll it'll be AI learning from AI. 434 00:24:04.440 --> 00:24:09.160 And then at that point, it starts to drift away from what we know to what is purely AI generated. 435 00:24:11.000 --> 00:24:18.600 And I mean, I've been very transparent. I'm very worried about what will happen for the vast 436 00:24:18.600 --> 00:24:24.120 majority of people. You know, I'm a competitive person. We absolutely have embraced AI within our 437 00:24:24.120 --> 00:24:29.720 company. And that's because we don't have a choice as far as I see it. You know, Elon has far more 438 00:24:29.720 --> 00:24:34.840 cloud than I do. And he lobbied with the government for years to get AI regulated and they refuse to 439 00:24:34.840 --> 00:24:42.280 hear him out at all. And the thing is even if the US regulated it, China won't. And we need to stay 440 00:24:42.280 --> 00:24:48.120 competitive because if they use that against us, you know, blah, blah, blah. So it's tough. It's tough. 441 00:24:48.120 --> 00:24:51.960 It's super tough. And you know, like what about education and things in schools like, you know, 442 00:24:52.040 --> 00:24:56.520 they're like, no school technology can use chat to you. It's like, yeah, the kids don't have phones. 443 00:24:57.160 --> 00:25:01.400 That's like saying, everyone, don't use your TID-3s to cheat on this essay. And you're like, 444 00:25:01.400 --> 00:25:04.600 that's why I'm going to my notes right now. And I got all the formulas written out. 445 00:25:04.600 --> 00:25:09.080 Yeah. So it's it has really profound implications. And I think humans are really bad at predicting 446 00:25:09.080 --> 00:25:12.440 things. That's what I can say. Like the fact that AI two years ago, people had said blue collar 447 00:25:12.440 --> 00:25:15.720 jobs and it's literally the last thing that's being replaced just shows you how bad we are predicting. 448 00:25:15.720 --> 00:25:21.880 Yeah. So my predictions are we read best to go. I hope it ushers in a golden era for humanity. 449 00:25:21.960 --> 00:25:27.320 I hope more than anything. We just, you know, we do nuclear, nuclear fusion. And we, 450 00:25:27.320 --> 00:25:31.720 you know, we cure all diseases and we can reverse aging. Like I hope we can figure all that stuff out. 451 00:25:32.360 --> 00:25:38.520 But if you can get your logo designed in five seconds and get 10 different versions, 452 00:25:39.400 --> 00:25:44.360 who gets fired? Yeah. And get the designer turn it alternate versions, alternate colors in a millisecond. 453 00:25:44.360 --> 00:25:47.640 In the short term, and I said this in the video, the short term, the people who are going to do 454 00:25:47.640 --> 00:25:51.800 quality assurance on the stuff that chat GPT spits out will be the opportunity. They'll actually 455 00:25:51.800 --> 00:25:55.960 be having outsized opportunity. So like, if you know how to write code, then what happens is now, 456 00:25:55.960 --> 00:25:59.480 you can write 10 times the code. So the execution has been delegated, but you still have to think is 457 00:25:59.480 --> 00:26:03.720 you validate that the code is correct or is good or does the job that it needs to. If like, it can 458 00:26:03.720 --> 00:26:07.160 write code. If I were to ask you to write code, I don't know how to read code. So it doesn't matter 459 00:26:07.160 --> 00:26:09.960 that it can write code for me because I don't know how to judge it. So I still need a human to do 460 00:26:09.960 --> 00:26:13.320 that. And that human cannot check 10 times as much code or a hundred times as much code, which 461 00:26:13.320 --> 00:26:19.800 means the value of an expert increases in the short term, long term. Once the AI can check 462 00:26:19.800 --> 00:26:22.520 itself and can do it better than a human can and can check millions of lines of code. 463 00:26:23.960 --> 00:26:28.520 Outside of business related things, just to go a little nerdy or deep on that, 464 00:26:29.160 --> 00:26:35.960 neural link. Yeah. What do you think the future of, you know, we have essentially what, like, 465 00:26:35.960 --> 00:26:41.000 Petri dish babies now, I can choose the eye color, the hair color, what gender they're going to be. 466 00:26:41.960 --> 00:26:46.600 And with the neural link, we might be able to, was it you that was watching a video that was, 467 00:26:46.600 --> 00:26:49.560 you know, some people can do certain tasks that with the neural link, maybe everyone can have 468 00:26:49.560 --> 00:26:54.200 these attributes to them. You know, there are some people with photographic memory. Now, 469 00:26:54.200 --> 00:26:58.520 what if everyone has access to photographic memory and everyone becomes super humans? What do 470 00:26:58.520 --> 00:27:05.000 you think of the future race? If everyone's just a perfect, I mean, they'd be better than the 471 00:27:05.000 --> 00:27:10.520 current race. Damn. I mean, at the end of the day, you know, survival of the fittest means 472 00:27:10.520 --> 00:27:17.320 the survival of the most adaptable. And so if you have a, you know, if you go from bio flesh that 473 00:27:17.320 --> 00:27:23.160 can get diseased, it can get hurt, it can, it ages in days, right? And you have a robot that's, 474 00:27:23.160 --> 00:27:27.320 you know, a hundred times as strong, can upgrade itself. You can, like, no one gets old because 475 00:27:27.320 --> 00:27:31.480 you literally can just upgrade yourself as you're going. I know we're bordering into, you know, 476 00:27:31.560 --> 00:27:38.200 science fiction here. But point is what in our lifetimes, some of the stuff is possible, you know, 477 00:27:38.200 --> 00:27:42.760 and if AI can start innovating on its own, then there was a future as you said, like AI will be the 478 00:27:42.760 --> 00:27:46.680 last invention humanity ever needs to make because then it will make all innovations after that 479 00:27:46.680 --> 00:27:52.600 faster, better, stronger than we can. And if the future race is emerged between humans and AI and 480 00:27:52.600 --> 00:27:55.880 cyborg, then that would be interesting. The question is why they would need us. 481 00:27:55.960 --> 00:28:02.360 Robots are going to take over. It's, it's an interesting take, but, but I, I will say though, 482 00:28:02.360 --> 00:28:07.000 I disagree that robots like how like strong they can be, because I mean, I can deadlift 650 pounds, 483 00:28:07.000 --> 00:28:13.560 there's no way robots can be stronger than me. Period. With the whole AI thing, 484 00:28:14.440 --> 00:28:19.480 look, I do a lot of dumb jokes here. What do you think about that? 485 00:28:20.200 --> 00:28:23.080 Just you cranes, man. 486 00:28:25.400 --> 00:28:31.880 With AI, the whole idea is that you're offloading tasks you don't need to do. Back to kind of business, 487 00:28:31.880 --> 00:28:36.600 what is, what is your, a lot of people you always hear about outsource outsource, 488 00:28:36.600 --> 00:28:41.640 delegate, delegate. When do you think people need to get to the point where they are doing it? 489 00:28:41.640 --> 00:28:47.080 Like what are things that people shouldn't let go of and things that people should let go of 490 00:28:47.080 --> 00:28:50.840 immediately that generally they hold on too long? So again, I won't say shouldn't shouldn't, 491 00:28:50.840 --> 00:28:54.360 but I would say if you're optimizing towards making the most money, then you have to trade up 492 00:28:55.160 --> 00:29:00.520 in higher leverage activities. So it's, what do I, so leverage is just to find the difference between 493 00:29:00.520 --> 00:29:05.320 inputs and outputs in a system. So if I do this, then I get this output. And so the leverage is the 494 00:29:05.320 --> 00:29:09.160 discrapancy between that. So if I have a one-to-one ratio, I have low leverage. If I have a one-to-ten ratio, 495 00:29:09.160 --> 00:29:14.200 I have higher leverage, right? And so when we are leveling up as entrepreneurs, 496 00:29:14.280 --> 00:29:17.240 we need to trade out the things that we get one to two on and trade in things that we get one 497 00:29:17.240 --> 00:29:21.320 to 20 on. And you just keep trading the whole way up and you just keep going. And that's the kind 498 00:29:21.320 --> 00:29:25.560 of unending, infinite game of business. What do you think is like the number one thing that people 499 00:29:26.360 --> 00:29:29.960 shouldn't delegate? Like when you start a company, right? You have a passion behind it. There's 500 00:29:29.960 --> 00:29:35.400 still something like what's the point you get to when you're just like it's, you're not even, 501 00:29:36.040 --> 00:29:39.480 you just collect a check and you don't even like live in the world of that business anymore. Like 502 00:29:39.560 --> 00:29:43.800 do you think everyone should get to that or like even with acquisition.com or some of your stuff? 503 00:29:43.800 --> 00:29:46.520 Like do you think there would be a point where you're like, I don't literally do anything, 504 00:29:46.520 --> 00:29:51.720 I just own it. I don't need to look at it ever. Like do you lose the interest and the passion for 505 00:29:51.720 --> 00:29:55.960 it when it gets to that point though? Well, if you get to that point, then you're probably 506 00:29:55.960 --> 00:30:02.280 inherently disinterested. So if you like, so again, I won't do sheds. If you like doing something, 507 00:30:03.160 --> 00:30:08.440 then by all means do it. If you're optimizing for how much money can I make, then it's 508 00:30:10.440 --> 00:30:14.360 theoretically, if you can get someone to do the same thing that you're doing and do it for less than 509 00:30:14.360 --> 00:30:19.960 100% of your equity, then you trade up. And if you get lots of people to do that, then you make 510 00:30:19.960 --> 00:30:26.920 more money. So the idea is to actually is solve for zero. So if you solve for no time, no energy, 511 00:30:26.920 --> 00:30:31.080 then you have infinite leverage on that thing. And so if you have lots of zeros, then you have 512 00:30:31.080 --> 00:30:35.480 all your time and you have checks that are coming in. In terms of like life fulfillment, 513 00:30:35.480 --> 00:30:39.480 that's a totally different question. But if you have no commitments and you have cash flow that's 514 00:30:39.480 --> 00:30:43.160 going in, then if you want to, you could pursue the next business. If that's what you were interested 515 00:30:43.160 --> 00:30:47.720 in or if you like painting or whatever, you know what I mean? So what are the things that people 516 00:30:47.720 --> 00:30:52.280 should not source? Nothing. You should be able to, you know, you can outsource whatever you want. 517 00:30:52.280 --> 00:30:55.800 I think it's just what goals, what goals do you have? If you love painting and your whole business 518 00:30:55.800 --> 00:31:00.280 is painting, as soon as you hire painters, you're no longer painting anymore. Is that what you want 519 00:31:00.280 --> 00:31:05.480 it? Yeah. Some people, yes, some people know because the difference is if a painter wants to make 520 00:31:05.480 --> 00:31:09.640 money painting, that is different than somebody wanting to start a painting business. And so one is a 521 00:31:09.640 --> 00:31:12.600 business career. The other is a technician career and a lot of people, and that's actually a really 522 00:31:12.600 --> 00:31:17.960 big one. A lot of people who are technicians love the craft and hate the business and they need to 523 00:31:17.960 --> 00:31:21.080 decide whether they want to be business people or they want to be technicians. And I don't think 524 00:31:21.080 --> 00:31:24.920 there's a right or wrong answer. They just need to decide for themselves and then stop their 525 00:31:24.920 --> 00:31:29.640 expectations about having both because the businessman wishes you could paint all day. The painter, 526 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:34.520 wishes you could make the money the businessman. You know, a relative thing of that is I have a 527 00:31:34.520 --> 00:31:40.520 buddy who is a leather crafter, I guess you will. He makes leather leather goods by wallet is made by 528 00:31:40.520 --> 00:31:44.520 hand, right? And we've done a lot of claps and he has to make them in this high quantity. He's 529 00:31:44.520 --> 00:31:50.520 physically doing everything to make these wallets. And at some point, he's like, oh, like there's 530 00:31:50.520 --> 00:31:54.360 crazy amount of hours in here and I can't create out, but what he wants to continue to go to the 531 00:31:54.360 --> 00:32:00.120 business, I'm like, well, bro, why don't you just hire people to make the wallets with you or 532 00:32:00.120 --> 00:32:03.960 to do it? He's like, well, I'm not going to be it's not going to be a handmade by me. And then 533 00:32:03.960 --> 00:32:07.880 you know, he wanted to create double bags, but he's like, I can't create these in the outsourced 534 00:32:07.880 --> 00:32:13.240 them. You know, and it starts losing touch, but he's so obsessed with him needing to like make 535 00:32:13.240 --> 00:32:18.440 the wallets. But I'm like, are you trying to make wallets or build a business? Yeah. It's interesting. 536 00:32:18.920 --> 00:32:26.440 And having passion in your work, would you would you say that most people should find a business 537 00:32:26.440 --> 00:32:30.120 that they're passionate about? I don't think people should or shouldn't do anything. I think they 538 00:32:30.120 --> 00:32:37.240 I hate the word should. No, I don't like should. I think people can, if they if they want to make 539 00:32:37.240 --> 00:32:42.360 more money, then you optimize for the vehicle that will make you the most money. And then you do 540 00:32:42.360 --> 00:32:47.640 that. The the whole passion piece teases at the psychology of humans because if you're just looking 541 00:32:47.640 --> 00:32:51.560 at first principles of like what has to happen? Like build the business that has the highest leverage 542 00:32:51.560 --> 00:32:54.760 that has the highest total adjustment market that has highest potential growth profit per customer 543 00:32:54.760 --> 00:32:59.320 and do that. That's what you would need to do if you wanted to make the most money. If you're, 544 00:32:59.320 --> 00:33:03.320 but if you as soon as you add in the psychology of humans, it's like when do you get tired of this? 545 00:33:03.320 --> 00:33:08.680 When do you lose interest in it? And so the big thing for me at least is that I love business. 546 00:33:09.720 --> 00:33:14.280 And so as long as I'm doing business, I'm good. And so the nature of the business doesn't matter 547 00:33:14.280 --> 00:33:18.680 as much. And I would say a lot of entrepreneurs are that way. And so the big the big decision is, 548 00:33:18.680 --> 00:33:22.360 do I want to be a technician or do I want to be an entrepreneur and they are very different paths 549 00:33:22.360 --> 00:33:27.000 and I just don't it's very difficult to have both. Like if your buddy like he needs to make that 550 00:33:27.000 --> 00:33:34.840 decision of like, okay, I have more demand for my wallets than I can fulfill. So he has two options. 551 00:33:34.840 --> 00:33:39.720 He can hire and train other people or buy a machine that can do the same quality things he can 552 00:33:39.720 --> 00:33:46.040 and he becomes a business owner of a wallet or leather company or he raises the price of his wallets 553 00:33:46.040 --> 00:33:50.760 because he has more demand than he has time. And so over time, his business does grow, 554 00:33:50.760 --> 00:33:54.440 but based on quality and based on the fact that it's handmade and it's, you know, 555 00:33:54.440 --> 00:33:57.320 all the one, his special, his special touch and he kisses it and he sings it's on, you know, 556 00:33:57.320 --> 00:34:02.200 sleep every night. And so, but like that's the that if he wants to keep making wallets and he wants 557 00:34:02.200 --> 00:34:05.080 to keep making money, he will have to do that and his profits are actually going to go up. 558 00:34:05.800 --> 00:34:09.720 He's probably not going to build a billion dollar wallet company, but he could make a few 559 00:34:09.720 --> 00:34:15.320 million dollars a year. So it's just like what does he want? And I actually think that teases to 560 00:34:15.320 --> 00:34:20.040 the core issue, which is most people don't know what they want. Are you would you say you're a 561 00:34:20.040 --> 00:34:25.720 passion business? All of business, all of business. Would you do would you do things that for 562 00:34:25.720 --> 00:34:30.280 example, I had a friend approached me years ago and was saying how much money he was making from 563 00:34:31.000 --> 00:34:34.520 it was super popular. It probably still is to do the Amazon dropshipping thing and he was 564 00:34:34.520 --> 00:34:37.640 telling about all the money that he's making. I'm like, oh, that that sounds really cool, 565 00:34:37.640 --> 00:34:43.640 man. Like, like, what are you selling? He's like plastic shower caddies to put your soap on. 566 00:34:43.640 --> 00:34:47.960 Yeah. I get from China. I'm like, what you're interested in making shower caddies? He's like, 567 00:34:47.960 --> 00:34:51.160 no, no, no, no, like I just get them from China. I don't give a fuck about the shower caddies, 568 00:34:51.160 --> 00:34:55.400 but I was making them. I was like, why do you care to sell shower caddies? Like, I'm making money. 569 00:34:55.400 --> 00:35:00.760 Like, I guess it's just different strokes for different folks of, you know, do you like making money? 570 00:35:01.080 --> 00:35:04.200 There's a balance of the passion and it's not necessary to make that happen. 571 00:35:04.200 --> 00:35:07.560 Where the passion is around, like, I like the game. I want to like, we're like, 572 00:35:08.120 --> 00:35:13.800 said differently. I love looking at a marketplace and finding where there's a supply-demand mismatch. 573 00:35:13.800 --> 00:35:18.680 And I know and I love talking to, you know, and negotiating with these third-party, you know, 574 00:35:18.680 --> 00:35:22.680 manufacturers and getting this stuff over here for as low as I can. And I love marketing it so 575 00:35:22.680 --> 00:35:27.160 that I can get all these people to buy it. But he's, he's passionate about finding the opportunity 576 00:35:27.160 --> 00:35:30.840 rather than the opportunity itself. Like, it's the hunt that he's passionate about rather 577 00:35:30.840 --> 00:35:34.360 than the product that he's passionate about, which is fine. It's all fine. You can do whatever, 578 00:35:34.360 --> 00:35:38.040 you know, like, there's a million ways to make money. Or really, a million ways to live. 579 00:35:39.080 --> 00:35:45.080 It's just, and that's not good or bad, in my opinion. Yeah. But the guys who are super passionate 580 00:35:45.080 --> 00:35:49.880 about the product and become evangelists for it, in my opinion, they go the biggest the furthest 581 00:35:49.880 --> 00:35:56.600 because they really are, it's in the only reason for that, not only reason. My bet for why one of 582 00:35:56.600 --> 00:36:03.400 the biggest contributors is people who think that way think in an infinite time horizon. 583 00:36:03.400 --> 00:36:08.440 And if you can play on an infinite time horizon, it's hard to beat you. It's hard to beat an 584 00:36:08.440 --> 00:36:16.920 infinite player because you never went because they never stopped. I agree. What, everything that you 585 00:36:16.920 --> 00:36:22.600 said is a very, like, you go so in-depth with it and it seems like your knowledge is of infinite 586 00:36:22.600 --> 00:36:33.880 expansion, right? And it's cool to hear you talk. You probably like hearing yourself talk 587 00:36:33.880 --> 00:36:37.560 with the headphones on right? It's a trip. I'm still, like, I feel like I'm echoing. 588 00:36:37.560 --> 00:36:43.000 First ever podcast that you've done with these. First ever. What do you think your biggest 589 00:36:43.000 --> 00:36:48.440 single trait is that has allowed you to get to the where you are now? Man. 590 00:36:49.400 --> 00:36:56.040 You know the first thing they came to mind? Chipotle. Luck. I mean, a little bit of luck. I mean, 591 00:36:56.040 --> 00:37:00.920 there's the luck skill. A lot of luck. Yeah. Yeah. Why do you think you're lucky? It was born in 592 00:37:00.920 --> 00:37:09.480 America. I was born to a higher SES income family. My dad was a doctor and I was an only child. 593 00:37:10.120 --> 00:37:16.200 So I got personal training from a doctor on how to human. A lot of people don't have that. I, 594 00:37:16.200 --> 00:37:24.840 I was born genetically gifted for muscle. I put muscle on really easily. I can tell. I had a 595 00:37:24.840 --> 00:37:30.120 bilingual family. So French was my first language. English was my second language. When you had, 596 00:37:30.120 --> 00:37:33.560 when you're born, like, I didn't pick that. I just got that, but it develops better language 597 00:37:33.560 --> 00:37:39.400 centers. So you're able to take on more languages faster more easily. You have better vocabulary 598 00:37:39.400 --> 00:37:47.240 if you're bilingual or more. I mean, if the average person around me was a physician, 599 00:37:47.240 --> 00:37:52.120 then the words that they're using are higher. I mean, it's just higher grade level in general. 600 00:37:53.560 --> 00:38:00.360 And so like all of those things together, like, I think the stars were already aligned for me. 601 00:38:01.560 --> 00:38:06.040 And so yeah, the single greatest thing was luck. I already was like at the five yard line. 602 00:38:06.600 --> 00:38:10.360 That's like a really, that's not the answer that I would expect really from anyone. 603 00:38:11.240 --> 00:38:16.920 What would you tell the people who don't have the luck, which would be the majority of people, 604 00:38:16.920 --> 00:38:22.920 right? And there's a lot of people and even individuals that I know of, what was me? Everything 605 00:38:22.920 --> 00:38:27.160 bad happens to me. There's this black cloud following me. I can't be successful because of this, 606 00:38:27.160 --> 00:38:32.440 because of where I live, because of the like what words do you tell people who have the complete 607 00:38:32.440 --> 00:38:39.000 opposite upbringing as you that want to have that want to be you? Well, you stay in poverty until 608 00:38:39.000 --> 00:38:43.000 you learn all the lessons that poverty has to teach you. And the first two words that get you out 609 00:38:43.000 --> 00:38:52.760 of that is my fault. And so even though it may be true that you were not born in America and your 610 00:38:52.760 --> 00:38:56.920 parents hated you and you were born with one language and everything was stacked against you. 611 00:38:57.400 --> 00:39:03.160 As long as you keep your finger pointed outwards to all the reasons that you can't be successful, 612 00:39:03.160 --> 00:39:08.600 you will guarantee that you are not. But until you say like, well, what things are under my control, 613 00:39:08.600 --> 00:39:13.080 and the fact that I'm not doing at least those things is my fault because those are the only 614 00:39:13.080 --> 00:39:22.040 controllables. And then just piece by piece, brick by brick going from there. Damn. What an answer. 615 00:39:22.040 --> 00:39:28.200 You didn't expect to get so deep on this podcast. This is good, man. Well, I don't want to, 616 00:39:28.200 --> 00:39:31.880 I want to kind of wrap it up because I know you're a busy man. You got to make 800 pieces of 617 00:39:31.880 --> 00:39:38.280 content after this. Yeah, millions. Why not to spend any money cooking your food? And I just 618 00:39:38.280 --> 00:39:44.520 want to say it's been an honor to meet you, man. And again, I'm a relatively new follower of your 619 00:39:44.520 --> 00:39:48.920 content. And it's really cool to see what you've done, what you've built. Is there anything like 620 00:39:49.880 --> 00:39:57.240 what's next for Mr. Alex? We're going to continue mastering the mundane middle, you know, 621 00:39:57.240 --> 00:40:01.400 the starts fun, the finishes fun, but the middle is the is the part that no one wants to do. And 622 00:40:01.400 --> 00:40:05.560 that's that's what we will do. We will do the work. And you're going to, are you going to, 623 00:40:05.560 --> 00:40:09.320 are you going to get to the, I don't, I don't want to disrespect and say the $100 million man, 624 00:40:09.320 --> 00:40:13.160 obviously. Do you think you're going to, you're going to get to the billion dollar man? 625 00:40:13.240 --> 00:40:15.720 Yeah. I mean, almost I die. I mean, I can definitely ask them. 626 00:40:17.400 --> 00:40:21.560 I mean, fucking AI robot comes and smacks me. I could die. I mean, very, I mean, but I think 627 00:40:21.560 --> 00:40:26.840 a lot of hymerizing like, because the thing is it's like we're on a conservative estimate, 628 00:40:26.840 --> 00:40:30.040 we're worth probably about a hundred million bucks now. You know, if I value to the other things 629 00:40:30.040 --> 00:40:33.640 more, then it'd be hard. But like conservatively is about a hundred million bucks. If I do nothing, 630 00:40:37.640 --> 00:40:42.040 if I put all of that just in the S&P and did nothing at 30 years from now, we would be worth 631 00:40:42.120 --> 00:40:46.760 over a billion. So if I do nothing, we'll get there. And so as long as I don't lose money and do 632 00:40:46.760 --> 00:40:50.040 something really boneheaded. So it's like, I can't die and I can't do something to get me to zero. 633 00:40:50.600 --> 00:40:53.960 So those are kind of my, my two big risks. And so as long as I don't make bets that would get 634 00:40:53.960 --> 00:40:57.880 me to zero and I don't die, I think there's a high probability that we'll get to a billion. 635 00:40:57.880 --> 00:41:02.440 Wait, wait, wait, you said something there. You said you're going to put all your money in stocks 636 00:41:02.440 --> 00:41:06.040 and you're going to be worth a lot more. That's not what's happening to me because I put all my 637 00:41:06.040 --> 00:41:11.240 money in the stocks and I have less money. You got to put it in there. You got to buy the fucking 638 00:41:11.240 --> 00:41:16.840 dip, man. Just the never ending months later. It's like it's still 40% down. Well, you got to buy more 639 00:41:16.840 --> 00:41:21.320 the dip. And you're like, I don't have any fucking money. There's no more tip to buy. The dip keeps 640 00:41:21.320 --> 00:41:26.920 dipping, man. Well, thank you so much for coming on the show. Hopefully my jokes didn't come off too 641 00:41:26.920 --> 00:41:31.480 stupid. And I mean, did you can deadlift more than a crane? So I mean, that's all that matters. 642 00:41:31.480 --> 00:41:37.400 That was my biggest takeaway. I really can. You're telling me a crane can deadlift over six 643 00:41:37.400 --> 00:41:41.160 years. You should do a YouTube video of you versus a crane. It's the old John Henry story. 644 00:41:41.160 --> 00:41:46.040 You know, you should do it. You versus a crane. Well, I would win. I know. That's why it would be a 645 00:41:46.040 --> 00:41:49.880 viral video. Actually, one more question. Do you have your jacket? What are your, what are your 646 00:41:49.880 --> 00:41:53.480 three max list? What are your bench squat and deadlift? I haven't maxed out in years. 647 00:41:54.360 --> 00:41:58.520 That's that's someone who doesn't have a high max would say. I don't know. I did 475 for 20 or 648 00:41:58.520 --> 00:42:05.800 17. So wait, on what? Oh, deadlift. 475 for 20. 17. I think I got to say, I've tried to count 649 00:42:05.800 --> 00:42:11.480 the reps in the videos a lot. Tap and go. Yeah. Straps. Straps. Yeah. Okay. You did about five reps. 650 00:42:11.480 --> 00:42:23.800 That's all right. No, I think I, I benched 390. I had 4 or 5. I'd be 4 or 5 is like so close. 651 00:42:23.800 --> 00:42:32.920 Yeah. Yeah. I benched 390. I squat or 4 or 5 for 20. 4 or 5 for 20? I was bigger though. 652 00:42:33.880 --> 00:42:38.360 They're big. Those legs. They're big. Those burkin stocks. Yeah. Did you squat in the 653 00:42:38.360 --> 00:42:45.400 burkin stocks? No, no, no, no, no. No, no, but I was bigger than us to, I was 235. How much 654 00:42:45.400 --> 00:42:50.760 do you weigh now? Like two 15-ish. Never in my, what's it like to be over 200 pounds? Because I 655 00:42:50.760 --> 00:42:57.320 will never in my life be able to totally be over 200 pounds. No. I promise you, man. Do you see 656 00:42:57.400 --> 00:43:02.040 these legs? Do you think, do you think the mass is going to go here? It's not going here. I can squat, 657 00:43:02.040 --> 00:43:06.520 I've squat, I've squat 501 pounds in competition with these little fucking ham hawks. 658 00:43:06.520 --> 00:43:12.120 It's amazing. The mass doesn't apply to me. I don't gain weight. Well, I, so not getting enough. 659 00:43:12.120 --> 00:43:16.120 Take whatever you want. But, um, you know, I had this thing where I couldn't get over 200 660 00:43:16.120 --> 00:43:22.520 for a really long time. So like I trained for, guess what was I? I was 20, 23. I've been training 661 00:43:22.520 --> 00:43:26.840 for eight years at that point. And so that was the last time I parliathed. So when I was 181, 662 00:43:26.840 --> 00:43:32.120 and I was 21, was the last parliathing competition I did. Um, and that's when I was at one 663 00:43:32.120 --> 00:43:39.000 even one I did, I think four, four 70-ish for squat and deadlift. And then I benched three 40 664 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:45.880 when I was 20, 20 or 21, whatever that was. Um, and I just, I was like, I'm a hard gainer. And I 665 00:43:45.880 --> 00:43:49.960 looked, honestly, I looked, I had very similar build to you. Sounds like an excuse, right? Yeah, 666 00:43:49.960 --> 00:43:53.960 it was. And it was like, I've been training for eight years. I'm already passed on my new 667 00:43:53.960 --> 00:44:00.440 gains. Like this is all I can achieve naturally. Um, and then I read this thing by John Meadows 668 00:44:00.440 --> 00:44:05.720 about insulin. And I was like, huh, okay, not injecting it, just like eating more carbs. Um, 669 00:44:05.720 --> 00:44:10.040 and so I started eating more carbs. And then I started living with a guy named Greg Knuckles for 670 00:44:10.040 --> 00:44:13.800 familiar with him. If you're in the parliathing world. He's friends with Sonic, right? Yeah, right. 671 00:44:14.600 --> 00:44:20.440 Oh, yeah. Greg Strong is shit. Yeah. Oh, yeah. Greg's. Can you deadlift more to crane? Yeah, 672 00:44:20.440 --> 00:44:27.880 he can, he can deadlift more than you. Um, he's very strong. Uh, and he basically reframed my 673 00:44:27.880 --> 00:44:32.520 whole thinking around a lot of stuff with the volume. And so he got me going on way more volume 674 00:44:32.520 --> 00:44:37.400 than I was used to from the parliathing days. And so, you know, I used to only train pretty much like 675 00:44:37.400 --> 00:44:41.320 six and under, you know, like, I, like anything over six is cardio, you know what I mean? Uh, 676 00:44:41.320 --> 00:44:45.720 my reps. Yeah, there you go. And yeah, reps, right. And so I started training tens, 677 00:44:45.720 --> 00:44:50.680 15s, 20s, 25s, 30s, you know, in terms of reps. And I just blew up. Sounds miserable. 678 00:44:50.680 --> 00:44:57.160 Oh, it was horrible. Um, and I started eating like a tank and, um, eating a lot. And I, I grew. 679 00:44:57.160 --> 00:45:00.440 And I, it had been after almost a decade. And I, you know, I was an advanced, you know, 680 00:45:00.440 --> 00:45:05.560 lifter at that point and I competed and, and then, and then I just started doing all this volume. 681 00:45:05.560 --> 00:45:08.760 And I never really went back to parliathing. That's why like those rep, the rep ranges when I was 682 00:45:08.760 --> 00:45:13.400 like 17, 20, all that stuff. That was because I just never needed to max out anymore. I just didn't, 683 00:45:14.200 --> 00:45:19.000 I didn't care. I remember like I, I would hit a PR and I'd look around at the gym and no one gave 684 00:45:19.000 --> 00:45:23.160 a shit. No, I make sure to, I, I have like a deadlift, rich wide jump around and kind of go, 685 00:45:23.160 --> 00:45:26.680 whoo, I make sure that everyone in the gym is watch when I'm deadlifting. That's, that's good. 686 00:45:27.320 --> 00:45:32.040 I've always had, most of the time I've had private gyms. So like I haven't had people around me. 687 00:45:32.040 --> 00:45:35.560 So it's just been like a silent victory of myself. And then I'm like, you know, my, 688 00:45:35.560 --> 00:45:41.000 did anyone see that? Yeah, my hips kind of hurt. And, uh, no one cares. And so I just, I was like, 689 00:45:41.000 --> 00:45:45.640 you know what? For me, what was more functional? It was looking jacked. And so I transitioned, 690 00:45:45.640 --> 00:45:49.400 like that, like I remember because earlier on I was like, that's not functional. Like blah, blah, blah. 691 00:45:49.400 --> 00:45:51.960 And all my parliathing buddies used to make fun of me because I would stay afterwards and like 692 00:45:51.960 --> 00:45:55.240 due delts, you know, and like do my calves and stuff like that. Maybe like, uh, 693 00:45:55.240 --> 00:45:59.560 he's got a good speech body, you know, whatever. But it was way more functional for me to look 694 00:45:59.560 --> 00:46:05.720 jacked in my life. Every video I use it versus, you know, whether I can, you know, wait 12 weeks, 695 00:46:05.720 --> 00:46:09.800 do a shitload of joint stress and then like add another, you know, 15, 20 pounds to my deadlift. 696 00:46:09.800 --> 00:46:13.320 I mean, to be honest, it's, it's kind of, I've been powerlifting for a long, long time. And 697 00:46:13.320 --> 00:46:18.360 it's like, what's the point of being so strong while looking like this? You've motivated me, dude. 698 00:46:19.000 --> 00:46:23.800 2023, we're going to 200 pounds, ladies and gentlemen. You could do it. I'm gonna, I'm dead 699 00:46:23.800 --> 00:46:29.720 fucking serious. The amount of, the amount of food that I would have to eat is like a, it's not 700 00:46:29.720 --> 00:46:34.520 enjoyable. It sounds like you're saying it's hard. No, it's, first is I can't do it. No, no, no. I'm 701 00:46:34.520 --> 00:46:39.560 saying, like back in college days, I would do the, you know, cup of oats, milk, peanut butter, 702 00:46:39.560 --> 00:46:43.240 you know, olive oil, all that shit. I mean, I don't want to fucking drink that anymore. So 703 00:46:43.240 --> 00:46:46.520 there's just was, so getting to do hundreds not enjoyable for you. Correct. Okay. Well, yeah. 704 00:46:47.160 --> 00:46:52.040 So it's not that you can't do it. And I would, the process of going to like 175 to 200 and to 705 00:46:52.040 --> 00:46:57.880 look good at 200 would the process to get there? I would hate the way I look on a daily basis. 706 00:46:57.880 --> 00:46:58.680 You could do it slow. 707 00:46:59.640 --> 00:47:05.080 2024, we're going to 200 pounds, ladies and gentlemen. I've been inspired. That will wrap up 708 00:47:05.080 --> 00:47:07.400 this episode. Thank you so much, man.