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The Sharps really had a young team.

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Just kids, there was probably three guys that were still at school last year.

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So, yeah, well done to the All Blacks.

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They're doing well.

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You know, I think actually Rushies told those provincial sides not to play anything like the Springboks.

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The Bulls coach comes up to you and says, Oh, hi, Victor.

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I'm a South African.

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And guess what?

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I'm going to try and play the All Blacks at their own game.

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Wow.

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Wouldn't you sack them straight away, Victor?

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It just smells of conspiracy.

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The Springboks would have a look at this and say, hmm,

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If we really put the pressure on, if we bring the physicality, they look vulnerable.

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You know, it is a bit disappointing for the South African public, I believe, because they're not tuning up.

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There was still a lot of empty seats.

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It would have been better if it was cheaper.

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I think Esau rugby maybe got a draw.

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Right, welcome to Ram Hand-to-Hand Courier's.

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rugby rivals.

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That means it goes from one person's hand all the way to another person's hand, just so you understand, JK.

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First question for you, All Blacks have been, you know, I don't know, 150 points, 140 points so far, three games.

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Are you just trying to make us complacent, Victor?

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What's going on?

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Yeah, I think we've said it before.

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I think with Rossi allowing

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All our players to play overseas and I mean there's 40 guys in the Springbok squad.

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So I think the Stormers was a good test.

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The Sharps really had a young team.

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I mean, if you look at that Sharps team, it was kids.

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There was probably three guys that were still at school last year.

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So really young team, not any experience.

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The Bulls were a bit better in the second half.

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Guys like Johan Froblah, Elric Lowe came onto the field.

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You can also see the difference.

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The moment there's some experience.

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So, yeah, well done to the All-backs.

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They're doing well.

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But I think there's going to be a different team when they face the Springboks on Saturday.

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I think there's going to be something they haven't seen on tour so far.

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Intensity, physicality, great plan, and also,

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It hasn't felt, especially the Bulls and the Sharks, that there was any attacking threat.

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So I think on Saturday, there will be everything.

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Yeah, I actually think it's a bit more of a conspiracy theory out there, Ricardo.

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You know, I think actually Rushy's told those provincial sides not to play anything like the Springboks.

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We haven't even seen high kicks.

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We haven't even seen kicking to the corner on a lot of mauling.

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There's been just no, actually no resemblance to what we're expecting.

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I think it's pretty sad for the relationship and for the, you know, for the,

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for the tour i get it i get it i would do exactly the same if i was russie not release the players but it does um you know it is a bit disappointing for the south african public i believe because they're not turning up to watch yeah and you know to what you turn up to the people enjoyed it i was there uh i mean the opening the new loft is the lights it was just

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People were going crazy in that second half when the Bulls came back as well.

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So I think the fans enjoyed it.

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I mean, ticket prices are very expensive for South Africans.

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And there's a lot of test matches.

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So a lot of the guys need to pick.

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And I mean, there's two games at the Haagfeld.

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So I also think a lot of the guys that would have gone to Loftus have paid to go to either Alice Park or Soweto.

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So, yeah, it's difficult.

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But I mean, there were still over 30,000 people.

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They were loving it.

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And I thought it was a good game that second half.

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Is that the problem, Victor?

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I guess my question is to Victor.

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So you agree with not releasing players to play these provincial games against the All Blacks?

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Well, I think the most important thing is the test match on Saturday.

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So whatever Rossi needs to prepare for the test match is what you need to do.

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I don't think he knows exactly who he's going to pick it.

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So...

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Everyone that's there is still in the run to be picked for a test match.

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So I think that's probably the right thing.

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I did enjoy that he did send back Johan Grobo and Alvarez Lowe.

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Of course, it definitely did make a difference in that second half.

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But unfortunately in South Africa, and we've mentioned it, with our decision to let players play overseas, the depth in our provincial teams just aren't the same as they were 15, 20 years ago.

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You've got a starting lineup.

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And that's why we struggle in the Champions Cup as well.

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We definitely need that quality and we need that at provincial level.

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But, I mean, it's working for us at test level again.

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I don't necessarily agree with that from a rugby and spectacle point of view because, you know, 44 doesn't go into 23.

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So there's sort of 20 players that I reckon you could take a little bit more of a risk for them as well.

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I mean, rugby players have got to play.

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I mean, I'm not saying that it's a South African team.

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That's why you're not touching your spin box.

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Your opinion doesn't count.

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I know it doesn't count, but I'm going to give it anyway because that's what I'm like.

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Because I think that when you look at it, the other question I wanted to ask you, because I've been thinking about this.

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So do you think now it's time for your teams to come back?

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Would your teams be stronger if they were playing Super Rugby?

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No, they weren't.

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Because, I mean, there's over 50 players playing overseas.

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Yeah.

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And all of them can be selected for the Springboks.

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So there's even fringe players that's not playing for the Springboks, that's playing overseas because they know if they play well there, they can be picked.

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Where in the old days they would have played in South Africa.

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So that's where our teams are.

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I think still, if you just add the front row of the Bulls on Saturday, it would have been a different game.

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If you added Cameron Harnakom, it would have been a different game.

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So Kirtley Arendts on the wing.

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So there's quite a few that would have made a difference.

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So, yeah, I think if everyone is back, our teams are still, I mean, the Bulls have been in the final of the UFC three, four years in a row.

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And they're competing.

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But we are struggling when it goes that step up to Champions Cup, especially if you have to play weekend and week out.

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Of course, the depth just isn't there at the moment with everyone playing overseas.

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Victor, I just want to pick up on something you pointed out, talked about just before, is the ticket prices.

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I've heard a lot of people talk about the economy's flat and the ticket prices are very high for this tour, for the average fan.

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Is that disappointing?

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Because there was like 15,000 people showed up at the Sharks.

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I know there was more at the Bulls, but there was still a lot of empty seats.

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And do you think it would have been better to maybe –

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charge less get more people there to create you know to give more people the opportunity to be exposed to this tour than maybe sort of charge them so much yeah and especially with i know with the test matches you can charge whatever you want because the people want to be there they're paying for the spring box but i think for these uh provincial games it would have been better if it was cheaper

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and you could make the stadium full.

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People want to experience this.

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And the other thing that's a problem, and that's a new system where SA Rugby takes over the stadium.

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So everyone that's got tickets, season tickets at Loftus, or they've got a box at Loftus, weren't allowed to use it.

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They had to pay again for their tickets.

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They had to pay again for their boxes.

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And the people just feel, well, I've paid for my box.

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Now I have to pay another 50,000 Rand to get my box back.

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And...

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They don't want to do it.

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So I think we need to look at that system.

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We want people at these games.

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And I think Issa Rackley maybe got it wrong.

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I just wonder though, Jacob, interested in your take on this.

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Is this a sort of a, you know, our unions need to make money.

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You know, players need to get paid.

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There's a lot of costs for the unions and they need to generate as much revenue as they can.

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And that's why they charge so much for ticket prices.

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But at the same time, don't we want more people exposed to the game because that's a long-term investment.

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If I can get someone to go and fall in love with the game by going to being at a game, I can generate revenue for the next 20 years off them.

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So are we getting...

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Should we have a different approach?

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Should we just try and get more people at these games?

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Well, I think, I mean, what Victor mentioned around this tour.

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So a couple of things.

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This hasn't happened for 30 years.

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So the rugby unions aren't used to what they should do.

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I always remember when the All Blacks...

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Sorry, can I just come in here?

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So South Africa, he said rugby take over the game.

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So the unions have nothing.

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They get a fixed price and it's a racket tape.

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Yeah.

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Back in the old day, I think...

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Although the union would have run it, they want the stadium full, they want all the season ticket holders there.

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So that's the difference in South Africa at the moment.

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Yeah, and look, Victor, I agree.

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And way back when I had blonde hair and Riccardo did have hair, like what used to happen is in the old tours, the provincial unions would have to take over all the costs.

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So what would happen, they'd send the team, but you kept all the ticket prices.

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One massive thing that happened in New Zealand during the World Cup

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in 2011 was that World Rugby took over Eden Park, you know, all, and they lost a lot of long-time support, especially what I used to call, you know, the Auckland Mafia in a nice sense, you know, all the wealthy box owners, you know, they'd been paying for their boxes for 20 years and they wanted to use it.

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So I think there's a balance there of understanding because a lot of these people get,

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you know, pretty frustrated because they pay a lot of money and then they don't get the opportunity to use it.

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So if we're going to have these tours in the future, and I hope we do, there's two things that need to change.

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I think the South African Rugby Union and New Zealand Rugby Union need to realise they've got to try and promote in the region, so the ticket prices and the availability of boxes and stuff need to be available.

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And the second thing is you possibly need to release the players and let them play.

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And that won't be a coach's decision.

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That needs to be a decision's art.

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Because like I said, I would do exactly the same as Russie, do exactly the same as Dave Rennie's done.

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I'm not criticising them.

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What I'm saying is that I would do the same, but is it right for the game?

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And the answer is probably no.

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So if you drop the ticket prices, everyone's available.

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You know, everyone gets injured.

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Poor old Caleb Clark got injured this week, you know.

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It's part of our game.

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And I think that we need to put the fan in the driver's seat a wee bit more than we do the coaches and the players sometimes.

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And I get it.

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Like, I get it.

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I just think we need to reassess some of our stuff.

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You know, the footballers are not a physical game.

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Footballers play Sunday, Tuesday, Saturday, you know, so.

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So Victor, you got a chance to watch the All Blacks in person.

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Um, what do you think?

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Yeah, I think they're looking good.

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Um, I think they really dangerous in transition play at the moment.

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Um.

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It's like the All Blacks of old.

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I must say there was a few guys that really impressed me.

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I thought Sekner, the open sider.

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Kit I didn't know was really good.

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And then J.K.'s favourite, Viko Iohoni, I thought was outstanding against the Bulls.

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And I still think 13 is his position.

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He just looked sharp.

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He looked fast.

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Every time he touches the ball, he looked really dangerous.

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I think there's a few guys that put their hands up and said, listen, we want to be selected for the first Test match.

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But I do think there was just a little bit in that second half where I thought the Springboks would ever look at this and say, if we really put the pressure on, if we bring the physicality, if we keep them in their half, they look vulnerable.

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So I just thought something in that Bulls game.

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In the first half, I thought the All Blacks were great.

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In that second half, I was just...

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Once the pressure came a little bit from the Bulls, I just saw something that I'm looking forward to for Saturday.

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I think you are absolutely lying, Victor.

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I'm not.

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I promise I'm not.

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I think you've got that wry smile on your face, and I personally believe that deep down you don't think the All Blacks have a chance.

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I can see it in your face, mate.

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I can see it.

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You're just being humble and nice, but you do not think we have a chance because you don't think we've been tested at all with Springbrook type of rugby, which I think Russie has told all the provincial sides to actually play like the All Blacks if you want, but do not play like the Springbrooks because we want to lull them into a false sense of security.

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I love that answer, but your body was telling me something else, brother.

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I'll tell you.

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I spoke to Neil LeBrain, the attack coach, before the game.

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And he came out and he said, no, they want to play more.

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They're not going to kick.

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And I was like, that might be trouble for you tonight.

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But that was their plan.

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And I mean, we haven't seen the All Blacks against the Stormers a little bit.

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I thought the Stormers put up a good fight.

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They put them under pressure.

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remember these teams also, they're in pre-season.

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So they're actually off.

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They only came back for two weeks just to train for these games.

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So the fitness levels of the players aren't there.

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So I thought the Stormers also put them under pressure a little bit.

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But it's going to be a different game on Saturday.

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That's why the Smirk is there.

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But I think the All-Black team is going to be a great game.

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You just answered the question.

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The Bulls coach comes up to you and says, oh, hi, Victor.

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I'm a South African.

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And guess what?

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I'm going to try and play the All Blacks at their own game.

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Wow.

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Wouldn't you sack him straight away, Victor?

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Like, what's he doing there, mate?

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You know, you're a Bulls, man.

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Like, is he on something, man?

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Is he on something?

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You know, like, it just smells of conspiracy.

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It smells of conspiracy for me.

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I think Rushy's told the bloody provincial sides to do that.

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And that's what they've done.

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There wasn't even a box kick, was there?

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There's some random... Why not too much wait too long?

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Yeah, yeah, no way too long.

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And there's a couple of random kicks in the middle of the field, which you just, nah, it's a conspiracy.

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You're right, JK.

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The time to worry, as a Kiwi, the time to worry about South Africans is when they're telling you how good your team is.

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How good you are.

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Yeah.

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And how you're going to win.

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Look at that cheeky smile on his face.

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He's not believing one word he's saying.

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It's like, come on.

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We're on to you, Victor.

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No.

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I really think it's going to be a great this match.

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I think it's going to be a close game.

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It's funny you talk about Riko Ioane because I'm with you.

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I thought that that's as well as I've seen him play in five or so years.

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He just looked like a different person.

251
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He looked like a threat every time he got the ball.

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He made good decisions.

253
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He looked like the player we all hoped he would become five or so years ago.

254
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Yeah.

255
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You know, you boys have been a big fan of Rico's, Jake Knight.

256
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That is shit, mate.

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That is shit.

258
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No, it's not.

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It is.

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It is shit.

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I think you look like the player he was three years ago.

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I'll tell you what Rico's done.

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I'll tell you what Rico's done over the last three years that you're talking about.

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So when Vern Cotter got to New Zealand, right, he brought a style of rugby that was not like the Blues.

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And that style of rugby was your 12 and your 13, you're 13.

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need to run as hard as they can and get the forwards over the advantage line so the forwards can then punish the opposition.

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He completely changed what the Blues play, and he said to Rico, stop outside breaks.

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What we want you doing is defending and crashing the ball up.

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When he got to the All Blacks, the All Blacks said, you can't pass and you can't defend, so start working on this.

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Rico was the best defensive centre we had in the All Blacks for the last...

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Two years because he didn't play last year, right?

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Two years before that.

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But what happened was he concentrated on his defence.

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So this guy's been growing.

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And then what I think happened was he went to Leinster, he went to Leinster, and all those things came together.

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So I get really frustrated because everyone sort of says, oh, Rico's not the player he was.

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What Rico does is what the coach wants.

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And he's always done that.

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And he fell out of favour with Razor because Razor didn't think that he could pass or attack, which for me was harsh on Rico.

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Has not being selected has the last 12 months added to his motivation?

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Yes.

282
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But this kid will do what the coach wants and that is incredible.

283
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What these coaches want is a bit more of an expensive play.

284
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Rico, we want you to get over the vantage line.

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We also want you to pass.

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We want you to turn up.

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We want your work rate to be a lot bigger.

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We want you to pick the ball up from the base of the ruck and score a try like a forward would.

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You know, and I think we're seeing that not just in Rico.

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I think we're seeing that in a lot of players, you know.

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So I think the criticism of Rico over the last three years has been a little bit unfair.

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I just want to come in on his defence as well.

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And you speak about his defence.

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That was another thing that was outstanding.

295
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Just the way when he closed up, when they were under pressure.

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And you could see he worked with Jockney.

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So that made a big difference as well.

298
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Yeah, look, and look, Victor, like for me, mate, like, you know, you've been a player at that level.

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You know, they said his defence wasn't good like three years ago.

300
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Not four years ago.

301
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And he just went away and worked on it.

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And he became, you asked Grant Fox, he became our best defensive centre, right?

303
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You know, does he need to work sometimes on his passing?

304
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Yeah, possibly.

305
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All players have got something to work on.

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But what frustrated me a wee bit was he did give away a bit of his...

307
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He had a great outside step and break.

308
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Because he had that little step and then he'd accelerate into the hole.

309
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And he's forced.

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And he probably stopped doing that because, you know, they said, you know, you should be getting us over the advantage line.

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So I'm really pleased for him.

312
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I'll be interested.

313
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I think he'll be selected at centre, but I'll be interested to see what happens because the one thing that has happened on this tour is that they've created internal competition, which I think is the healthiest thing you can have in an international side.

314
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and hard to achieve, hard to achieve, right?

315
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Because when you have S matches every week, it's hard to rotate.

316
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And I think that's where, you know, Russie's really showing the light and changed.

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I mean, JK, I don't want to ever be the person that disagrees with you, but I think Rico himself said that his whole mindset's changed this year.

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You know, that he's enjoying his game more.

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And to me, that was what I could see on the weekend.

320
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He just looked like someone that was really enjoying being back.

321
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and playing top-level rugby, and that came across.

322
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Yeah, I don't disagree with that, and I think that his time in Leinster was really positive.

323
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But, Ricardo, what I'm saying to you that one of the hardest things for a back, and you two would not know this because besides you lurking out wide and doing pop kicks over the top of...

324
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defense is Victor and you being out the back line because you were tired, Ricardo.

325
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Besides that, you guys didn't spend a lot of time out there.

326
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But the hardest thing about a back is switching from a defensive mentality to an attacking mentality.

327
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They're two different mentalities.

328
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And you've actually got to train it, right?

329
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And so I'm not saying that Rico's not enjoying his football more because I think he is because when you don't get picked –

330
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and last year he was out of favour, it's bloody hard to enjoy your football.

331
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And I think Leinster has been an amazing time for him to see a new style of rugby, a new lifestyle, and he's come back fresh, and hopefully we see that combination of his attack and his defence.

332
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Another player that I thought could well be important for the next week, Bodum Barrett at fullback.

333
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I think I might have said that last week.

334
00:21:17.944 --> 00:21:19.385
Yeah, but now you saw him a callback.

335
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I don't agree with you.

336
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I don't think Bowden's going to make this squat.

337
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I don't think he's going to be in a 23.

338
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I think he will be.

339
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I think it depends on Damien McKenzie.

340
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The interesting thing, we haven't seen Will Jordan.

341
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I think the guys will probably go with a 6-2 split as well.

342
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On the bench.

343
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I think they're hopeful that Will will be there and that Camaroy guy will be there, but Damien McKenzie is more doubtful.

344
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Yeah.

345
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So if Damien's not available, then I think Bowdoin will definitely be in the 23.

346
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You know, I think the selection for the first time in a long, long time is really hard to predict, which is, you know, probably if I said to you, Victor, what's the South African side, you'd be going, ooh, okay, yeah, I think there's, you know, I think there's going to be a few guys.

347
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But, you know, and I think for the first time in three years at least,

348
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you know, this is what we're going.

349
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Who's going to play on the wing?

350
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You know, is he going to go with Ruben at 10?

351
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You know, Roy guard 9, 10, Jordy, Rico.

352
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What's happening on the wings?

353
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You know, Leroy Carter's really stood up.

354
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If Damien's not going to be good, who's he going to play at fullback?

355
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He might play Moby at fullback.

356
00:22:38.759 --> 00:22:42.743
You know, like, it's just really interesting for the first time, and I wouldn't know.

357
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Notice I didn't name any forwards, Victor.

358
00:22:49.022 --> 00:23:13.733
uh i must say i can't believe he's team today because he's been naming his team on monday so it will be interesting to see this week if it's going to do it again well i think internally you know as we all know internally for the internally guys don't train on a monday they don't get picked so that's his philosophy so he will internally they

359
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probably know from yesterday already, but I wonder if he's going to announce it today.

360
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Give us an insight, Victor.

361
00:23:20.955 --> 00:23:25.839
Can I just ask you, who are you supporting?

362
00:23:26.100 --> 00:23:27.941
I'm feeling you're a little bit anti-Orblack today.

363
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I'm not anti-Orblack, I'm just anti-you.

364
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Oh, okay.

365
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You've always been anti-me.

366
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I'm interested, Victor.

367
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We've been talking a lot about the All Blacks, obviously because we've been watching them twice a week, getting an idea of where they're at, getting an idea of who's playing well, et cetera, et cetera.

368
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What the hell have the Springboks been doing all this time?

369
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What are they doing?

370
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Sitting around singing songs.

371
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I don't know.

372
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What's going on?

373
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No, well, they've been to Argentina.

374
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A few guys rested.

375
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So this last week would have been a pretty tough week for them.

376
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I think Rossi would have.

377
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worked them really hard.

378
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And I've heard in the last year or two, whenever they've got a week like that, they really get stuck into each other.

379
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And that's why he probably got the 40 guys because they go all out for a whole week.

380
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So they need the extra guys there as well.

381
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So I think they'll be prepared.

382
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They'll be well prepared.

383
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They had two weeks now to get ready.

384
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I think the team probably could have been announced a week ago ready internally.

385
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Rossi likes that the people know where they're standing.

386
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So I think preparation will be there.

387
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They'll be ready to go.

388
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Hopefully there's one or two guys that we need to wait and see, a guy like Oxen Chair, if he's ready to go.

389
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And yes, then we'll see you.

390
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I'll see you.

391
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Big week.

392
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How's Sia, Victor?

393
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Sia's out for the whole 12.

394
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That's sad, eh?

395
00:25:07.551 --> 00:25:07.752
Yeah.

396
00:25:07.952 --> 00:25:12.174
He might be ready for the America game, but, yeah, he won't be able to play the first three.

397
00:25:12.974 --> 00:25:13.895
That's sad.

398
00:25:14.295 --> 00:25:15.375
He's such a good leader.

399
00:25:15.836 --> 00:25:20.518
I see Sia and Ardy went to church together yesterday.

400
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Nice.

401
00:25:22.199 --> 00:25:22.679
That's nice.

402
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Yeah.

403
00:25:23.359 --> 00:25:23.539
Yeah.

404
00:25:23.920 --> 00:25:24.480
That's great.

405
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That would be the same as you and JK going to a pub together.

406
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Yeah.

407
00:25:29.181 --> 00:25:30.142
Are they Catholics?

408
00:25:30.942 --> 00:25:31.262
Remember?

409
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He's just sitting in his ice bath with water.

410
00:25:34.305 --> 00:25:37.907
So let's start, first of all, with our Ram Hand to Hand couriers.

411
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Who delivered under pressure for you?

412
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We'll start with you, Victor.

413
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I'm going to stay with the South Africans because I know JK is only going to go.

414
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So I'm going Ram Hand to Hand courier.

415
00:25:51.248 --> 00:25:54.331
Play of the week, I say Marcel Coutier.

416
00:25:55.392 --> 00:25:58.374
I think the Bulls were under pressure, but it just shows.

417
00:25:58.975 --> 00:26:07.562
I think Marcel is very unlucky that he hasn't been picked in the last four or five years for the Springboks, who hasn't even been in the squad.

418
00:26:08.203 --> 00:26:11.105
He's just a guy that leads from the front in that second half.

419
00:26:11.205 --> 00:26:13.047
I mean, the way he carried, the way he...

420
00:26:14.607 --> 00:26:17.848
Got into the breakdowns, his defense was just unbelievable.

421
00:26:17.908 --> 00:26:19.609
And he's just, I love watching him.

422
00:26:19.629 --> 00:26:22.450
He just keeps going and he fights for every, every meter.

423
00:26:22.470 --> 00:26:26.531
He's almost like Ardy just fights for every meter, every time he carries.

424
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So I think he stood up and it could have been a massacre in that second half.

425
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And I think he led from the front to turn it around.

426
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Nice.

427
00:26:35.534 --> 00:26:40.335
And JK, your Ram hand-to-hand couriers who delivered under pressure for you?

428
00:26:41.596 --> 00:26:41.876
Rico.

429
00:26:43.492 --> 00:26:49.454
Yeah, I thought Rico delivered under pressure, been under pressure for 12 months, really delivered.

430
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So yeah, I think pretty easy, good defensively, you know, good on attack, looking really, really sharp, looking sharp off the mark, you know, looking fast again.

431
00:27:02.519 --> 00:27:08.881
So yeah, so that would be my Rams hand to hand delivery of the week.

432
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Right.

433
00:27:10.522 --> 00:27:11.362
And then for our other

434
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Um, partner, obviously clip drift.

435
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What was the moment of the week for you?

436
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Victor?

437
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Yeah.

438
00:27:21.437 --> 00:27:22.618
Clip drift moment of the week.

439
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I'm not going to give it to a player.

440
00:27:24.519 --> 00:27:25.820
I'm going to give it to.

441
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my beloved fortress, Loftus-Fersfeld.

442
00:27:31.101 --> 00:27:32.522
It was just unbelievable.

443
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I think we've seen it before in France with all the lights and it looks like a rock show before the game.

444
00:27:39.105 --> 00:27:49.869
And I thought the beginning of the game, players coming out, even with the Harker, when the lights went down, just the way they presented that match was unbelievable.

445
00:27:49.889 --> 00:27:51.510
So to everyone at Loftus,

446
00:27:52.290 --> 00:27:52.750
Well done.

447
00:27:53.311 --> 00:28:00.534
It's just amazing to see where we're going with rugby and all the entertainment around it as well.

448
00:28:00.594 --> 00:28:07.816
So my Clip Drift moment of the week is for Loftus Verschelt and the show that they put up.

449
00:28:08.037 --> 00:28:10.558
What's a good rock show for Victor Metfield?

450
00:28:10.718 --> 00:28:13.459
What's an ideal concert for Victor Metfield?

451
00:28:14.599 --> 00:28:15.940
No, you have to come to South Africa.

452
00:28:15.960 --> 00:28:17.520
We have to play Afrikaans music.

453
00:28:18.141 --> 00:28:19.741
J.K., do you know Afrikaans music?

454
00:28:22.607 --> 00:28:34.531
So we've got Afrikaans is Groot, or the Kroon in South Africa, and the Kroon is actually at Loftus, big stage in the middle, all the Afrikaans singers, and it's just a party.

455
00:28:34.951 --> 00:28:38.392
Back in the day, well, I still listen to a little bit.

456
00:28:38.412 --> 00:28:40.573
I used to listen to Lady Blacksmith Mambela.

457
00:28:41.193 --> 00:28:41.773
Have you heard of them?

458
00:28:43.073 --> 00:28:44.134
Good, but that's not Afrikaans.

459
00:28:44.534 --> 00:28:44.874
It's okay.

460
00:28:45.494 --> 00:28:47.755
I know it's not Afrikaans, but it was a South African band.

461
00:28:47.775 --> 00:28:48.335
Okay.

462
00:28:48.792 --> 00:28:51.314
And another guy I used to listen to a little bit was a guy called Johnny Clegg.

463
00:28:51.854 --> 00:28:52.395
Johnny Clegg.

464
00:28:52.415 --> 00:28:53.055
Have you heard of Johnny Clegg?

465
00:28:53.095 --> 00:28:53.836
Also not off the cards.

466
00:28:54.276 --> 00:28:55.557
I know Johnny Clegg very well.

467
00:28:56.297 --> 00:29:00.160
What's your favorite artist, Victor?

468
00:29:01.381 --> 00:29:02.982
Haven't you heard Steve Holzmeier?

469
00:29:04.524 --> 00:29:07.586
The blowball song.

470
00:29:08.826 --> 00:29:09.447
Come on, guys.

471
00:29:09.867 --> 00:29:11.428
I have to listen to that one.

472
00:29:11.448 --> 00:29:13.949
Every time we ran out of doctors, he's playing.

473
00:29:13.969 --> 00:29:15.810
There's another guy, Kurt Darren.

474
00:29:16.390 --> 00:29:21.093
So when I scored my try against the Chiefs and we put up that record score,

475
00:29:21.733 --> 00:29:29.957
or what is it 63-7 in a final, a team that can't attack, that only kicks the ball, scoring 63 points.

476
00:29:30.938 --> 00:29:32.739
When I scored, they played Kaptein.

477
00:29:32.779 --> 00:29:35.120
So he's got a song called Kaptein.

478
00:29:35.160 --> 00:29:37.261
Kaptein, Spani, Sailor.

479
00:29:37.641 --> 00:29:39.422
So they played that.

480
00:29:39.482 --> 00:29:41.183
So Kurt's also one of my favorites.

481
00:29:42.684 --> 00:29:44.645
I'm really starting to get worried about this.

482
00:29:45.245 --> 00:29:46.165
I don't want you singing.

483
00:29:47.326 --> 00:29:48.847
What was your Clip Drift moment of the week?

484
00:29:49.597 --> 00:29:51.259
Well, mine's not a moment.

485
00:29:51.299 --> 00:29:53.903
Mine's two players, I think.

486
00:29:54.584 --> 00:29:56.426
Leroy Carter and Anton Segner.

487
00:29:56.827 --> 00:30:03.957
Like, I think if you're a young guy going on tour, you know, like Victor said, the team will be named this week.

488
00:30:04.017 --> 00:30:06.200
But I think Anton's...

489
00:30:07.261 --> 00:30:09.164
just really stepped into that role.

490
00:30:09.204 --> 00:30:11.887
Like, he is, for me, a purist number seven.

491
00:30:13.169 --> 00:30:15.692
Like, he's over the ball, his work rate's incredible.

492
00:30:15.832 --> 00:30:21.900
There was a couple of times where the ball sort of broke down, and he was the first one there, like 50 yards away from the last break.

493
00:30:21.920 --> 00:30:23.081
So he's obviously got a big motor.

494
00:30:23.842 --> 00:30:24.463
And Leroy Carter...

495
00:30:26.853 --> 00:30:27.413
He's pretty big.

496
00:30:27.434 --> 00:30:27.974
He doesn't, yeah.

497
00:30:28.014 --> 00:30:29.155
He's bigger than my sports, yeah.

498
00:30:29.575 --> 00:30:31.136
Yeah, he's totally bigger than you think.

499
00:30:31.236 --> 00:30:32.817
He's one of those guys.

500
00:30:33.338 --> 00:30:34.298
And then Leroy Carter.

501
00:30:34.318 --> 00:30:45.146
So for me, the Clip Drift moment of the week is, you know, those two guys, if you're going to sit back and have a, you know, a brandy and coke and be satisfied that you've done all you can to be selected, those guys would do that.

502
00:30:45.867 --> 00:30:49.129
And I think that, you know, when you're on tour, that's all you can do.

503
00:30:49.229 --> 00:30:50.470
And then it's up to the coaches.

504
00:30:50.490 --> 00:30:54.413
So I think those two players, whether they'll be named or not, um...

505
00:30:55.790 --> 00:31:03.174
you know, have, you know, they would sit back and have a Clippies and Coke because they'd think, well, I've done everything I can now.

506
00:31:03.554 --> 00:31:04.455
It's up to the coaches.

507
00:31:04.475 --> 00:31:10.078
So I thought that was, that's my sort of moment of the week because those moments are really, really important for players.

508
00:31:10.218 --> 00:31:12.719
You've got to do everything you can to get selected.

509
00:31:12.739 --> 00:31:14.240
And if you don't, you know.

510
00:31:15.272 --> 00:31:15.492
Yeah.

511
00:31:16.252 --> 00:31:16.513
All right.

512
00:31:16.573 --> 00:31:20.815
Now, so we've obviously got the team selected being named in the next few days.

513
00:31:21.115 --> 00:31:27.538
I might grab you during the week, get your thoughts on your teams, and we'll put them on the team room.

514
00:31:27.658 --> 00:31:39.964
So if you want to sign up, join us on the team room, rugbyrivals.com, and you'll get some exclusive insight from our genius commentators, Victor Matfield and John Kerwin.

515
00:31:41.345 --> 00:31:43.446
I had to think of the right word.

516
00:31:43.466 --> 00:31:47.269
I will be in South Africa, so I'm really excited about that.

517
00:31:47.329 --> 00:31:48.831
So I'm leaving in a few hours.

518
00:31:48.891 --> 00:31:54.715
So can we do a, we should do a rugby John Kerwin South Africa diary.

519
00:31:54.735 --> 00:32:03.963
We'll put it up on the rugbyrivals.com site and just, and the best part of it will be the first time you go out and have a few drinks with Victor.

520
00:32:03.983 --> 00:32:04.763
Okay.

521
00:32:04.864 --> 00:32:05.964
And we'll do it first thing in the morning.

522
00:32:05.984 --> 00:32:07.586
I love to make him drunk one night.

523
00:32:08.219 --> 00:32:10.560
You have to go drink for drink with me on brandies.

524
00:32:11.360 --> 00:32:12.100
That will be fun.

525
00:32:13.621 --> 00:32:14.681
Oh, I can't wait.

526
00:32:15.481 --> 00:32:16.101
I can't wait.

527
00:32:16.361 --> 00:32:17.982
All right.

528
00:32:18.022 --> 00:32:19.062
Thank you very much, gentlemen.

529
00:32:19.122 --> 00:32:25.384
Welcome to the end of another episode of Ram Hand-to-Hand Careers Rugby Rivals.

530
00:32:25.864 --> 00:32:28.065
We'll see you next week, or we'll see you in the team room.