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Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim

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truth, equip the saints and impact our culture.

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Hey everybody, you're about to hear an amazing podcast with an amazing young man,

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Jonathan Isaac, and you're gonna be blown away because what God has done with

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him to bring him to where he's at today will inspire you, so stay tuned.

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Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you, here is Jack Hibbs.

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Hey everybody, welcome back to our Jack Hibbs podcast and we are so delighted that you've

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joined us and thank you, by the way, thank you for giving us a five star mark, thumbs up,

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sharing with others. Why? Because this podcast by God's grace is really taken off and that's

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because of you. We can only offer up what we have, but you take it and you run with it and God's

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been using it for that. We are grateful and so spread the word. Listen, before we get into

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today's podcast, you're going to love this. The scriptures tell us in 1 Corinthians chapter 10,

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listen to this. It says, therefore, whether you eat or drink or whatever you do, do all to the

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glory of God and that is the Lord's calling upon all of our lives. And it is the calling upon

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the brother that we're going to be interviewing today, brothers, I should say.

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And we have with us in this very special podcast, Jonathan Isaac, who is the remarkable

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player for the Orlando Orlando magic. I don't know why I always think of Orlando. It's hot,

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so I think of heat and that's not a good connection. But and his pastor. And I want to say this

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right because it's French, but it's Dr. Durant. That's it. That's it. Hepburn. Hepburn.

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Hepburn. Now, how did you get the last name of Hepburn? My parents. That's a good question.

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Yeah, yeah, yeah. We're going to get all of this from the Bahamas. Somebody has to be from

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the Bahamas. That's right. But so we're going to we're going to dive in. We're going to talk about a

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lot of stuff. Everything from this young man's career on the court, off the court, challenges,

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setbacks, victories, all of it in a book, by the way. And we're going to be announcing this over

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and over again. You'll be able to get it at the site that is listed below. And I think most often,

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if it's not directly from his ministry, Amazon, but whatever is there, get the book. And here's

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what we always ask. When we believe in a message like Jonathan Isaac, his message, we ask you to

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actually get two copies. And there's the reason why. If you can afford it, do it because you're

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going to read one and you're going to hang on to it and then give the other one to someone in

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your life, especially a young person. So that's going to be a tremendous. So Jonathan Isaac,

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it is an honor to have you with us. And at the time of this podcast happening right now,

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this young man stood up in front of several thousand people last night. A lot of them, young people

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here, and just hit it out of the park because of how remarkably open and tender you were to them.

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And their response has been tremendous. So let's dive into a little bit as to who you are.

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And you mentioned to them last night, you mentioned to all of us last night,

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your, can I say insecurities, setbacks, fears. It's hard for us to handle that because we see you

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so confident, so strong, but yet you're a testimony to the work of God. Talk to us about it.

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Yes, so my name is Jonathan Isaac. I'm a play basketball for the Atlanta Magic. I'm 26 years old.

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And my story starts in Bronx, New York. My parents split up and I moved from Bronx, New York

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to Naples, Florida when I was 10. And I went from a predominantly black community to predominantly

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white community. And that's where the majority of my struggles started trying to fit in, trying to

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make friends, feeling a deep sense of insecurity about who I was. And basketball became the safe haven for

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me where I was able to make friends. And the girls wanted to talk to me because of how good I was

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playing, but it also was a great fear of mine of playing bad. Because if I played bad,

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I felt that I would lose everything that I had gained. I would lose the popularity. I would use

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the friends. And I was, I got into this, this cycle of working for love, working for acceptance,

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working for peace. Instead of resting in a piece or having something to, to call a piece to

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myself. And it wasn't until I got to the NBA after being the number one player in the, the state of

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Florida, being on anxiety medication, having panic attack episodes in college in the whole night.

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To meet in this guy on an elevator. And him saying to me, I can tell you how to be great.

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And you got to know Jesus. And from that moment, it was like God took the wheel and God

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has to this moment. I heard that last night. And then I couldn't wait for us to get together this

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morning because I wanted to, I wanted to ask Doc, how were you guys? How did that happen?

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First of all, in an elevator. Right. But what was the behind the scenes stuff? Were you there

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for some ministry, vacation, whatever? How did you bump into Jonathan? First, I want to say,

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thank you for having us. Oh, pleasure. You are awesome. You are awesome. I thank God for your

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heart. My wife said she saw you for the first time. She said, he looks like such a humble man.

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I say, honey, he's so nice. So I was telling about your spirit. So we can't wait to come back.

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Every time we come to California, we're coming to your church. So everybody, anybody we want you

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to know you need to come to pass the jack church in California because you're awesome. It is you,

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you are, who you know, you meet people. You see them on TV. But when you meet them, you get to see

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their heart. And we're seeing your heart. It's such a kind man. Thank you very much. With Jonathan,

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we lived in the same building. And when we lived in same building, I'm not a basketball fan.

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I love track and field. So when I saw Jonathan, I thought he played overseas. And yeah, I didn't know

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he was, he was just recruited to Orlando to be. And at the time, Jonathan didn't know whether he was

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going to be a start or not. And I also remember telling him, I say, you're going to start. I say,

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you're going to be a start. I just begin to speak over him. But before we met, I told him, I said,

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I knew, I ended up, I meet people. I always try to minister to them anytime. So it wasn't unusual

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to share the gospel. So when I saw him, I just told him, come and know the elevate. I was going

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upstairs. He was coming down. But Jonathan, you know, being an NBA player. Yeah. They just keep

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it moving. They don't check. They don't check anybody else. So when he came out, I said to him,

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I said, I can tell you how to be great. He said, tell me. I said, you got to know Jesus. He said,

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I know Jesus. But he was just living a different lifestyle. That was to keep me quiet, to keep

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it moving. Yeah. That's right. He really didn't want to hear. But we kept running into each other.

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And I went to my wife and I said, honey, I said, man, this young man, I know God wants him in my life.

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But he don't give me the time of day. So I just committed it to proud. So just pray it and we just

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kept running into each other. So one night, I went home. And when I went home, things was into,

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I decided to go out. Things was incorrect at home. So I went for a ride. When I went for a ride,

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I was just driving. And believe it or not, Jonathan was coming out of the movie theater.

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And I was driving past the same time. Oh, God. This was like 10, almost 10, 11 o'clock at night.

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Our cars, like he's going straight here and I'm turning. And our cars me window to window.

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Window to window. After I'd seen him a million times. Angels moving the cars, just

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organizing the steps of a righteous man ordered by the law. There you go. And you said about

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a movie. So a movie that night. Yeah, what's so interesting is I was, during this time,

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I had already went to that chapel. I went to a chapel service in the NBA. And the chaplain said,

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Luke 646, why do you call me Lord Lord and I do what I say? And that was the first time I felt

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confronted with kind of having Christianity in my back pocket. Well, wait, wait, where did you,

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you, you got that verse, but where did it come from? It came from a chapel service. So,

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you heard it in the chapel. Yes, 60 minutes before every game. There's a chapel. And one of my

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teammates invited me to it. So I went, I was a rookie in the NBA, was already, you know,

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living my, living the NBA lifestyle, went to the chapel service in the chapel, said, Luke 646,

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I never heard the verse before. Why do you call me Lord Lord and I do what I say? And I said,

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that's me. And so I had started saying, you know what? I'm going to figure out if this Christianity

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thing is real. Right. And I started watching a ton of apologetics, Frank Turing, William Lane Craig.

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We love Frank. John Lennings. John Lennings, I started watching everybody. And that's when I went to

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a movie with my old, a trainer in high school. He was a Christian, always trying to get me to do

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Bible studies. And I said, man, I just want you to be my trainer. But we went to see a Christian

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movie. So we went to see a Christian movie. It was awful. Unfortunately. No, I mean, yeah.

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So we left, we left it, but it's important for the time because we left that movie halfway

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through and went and watched Thor and Thor was like a three hour movie. Yeah. So then we're

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ending the thing and he says to me, where are you at with God, my trainer? And I said, you know what?

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Honestly, man, I'm searching. I don't really know. But he said, if you keep searching, you're

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going to find I'm pulling out a movie theater and Doc is pulling pulling across the same time.

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And then he said, you and me lunch tomorrow. So both of us ahead at home to where we live.

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And sure as day, we went to lunch the next day. You want to take it from me?

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So in the same way that I was searching, I came across a verse that says,

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whatever you do for the least of these, you do for me. And that was around Thanksgiving time.

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So I have it in my mind, I'm going to buy some burgers and pass it out to the homeless.

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That was his Christian thing to do. Yeah. So we go to lunch and we think it was breakfast.

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We go to breakfast and I start telling him about it. Like, because you know, he talked about

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Christmas. Yeah, I'm going to pass out these burgers to the homeless and he's like, you can't do that.

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Yeah, I'm going to get some points. Yeah, I'm going to get some points. Exactly right.

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He says, you can't do that. I said, why not? He says, um, you got a trip. If you're going to feed

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people, you got to feed people right correctly. And so he says, follow me. So I follow him to

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Sam's club. Now that I still don't really know who he is. Right. He does it. And I'm driving in

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the car. I'm going, what are you doing? You do not know who this man is. But I remember saying

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to myself something about this feels right. So I follow him. Wait, wait, you missing a part of

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the story. Go ahead. Tell the part where you said, this man is going to take my money and the food.

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Oh, you know, I'm going to wait a six foot 11 guys is intimidated. Well dressed.

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Well grown. Yeah. I'm in the car behind him. If I'm just saying, we get the Sam's club.

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I buy like $700 worth of food and he has some people come pick it up and I'm thinking to myself.

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I just fed this guy's family for a year. I'm not going to see him again. And uh,

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who do you think the next thing you know, um, we connect again. He sends me a text message about a

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place to come. Um, and I show up and there's a line of 200 homeless people to the 300 homeless person.

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And I hop in line. The food is all cooked. It's all prepared. I put my hair in it on. I stand

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next to this beautiful young lady. That's my wife today. That's right. Takeda for the first time.

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Boy, people need to stay focused on that. You want to find a husband and a wife. Find him in

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serving the Lord. That's right. Find him in the field in the field. Luke met Boaz in the field.

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Yeah. So I pull up next to her and then I put my hair in it on and we start serving the food. And it

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was, it was a, it was a beautiful, but just moment just serving the homeless and being out in the

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community. And I was injured at the time. I had rolled my ankle. Yes. And uh, he brought me inside of

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what looked like a church, but I'm still like, I don't know what's going on. And he prays over my

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ankle, uh, his wife prays over my ankle and several leaders. And I just remember feeling loved.

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And um, I remember a thing into myself that God was real. Like I had done all the apologetics.

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And I had gotten to that cliff. But that was the moment that I jumped off. Yeah. Where I was like,

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God loves me. And I went home that night and knelt on the side of my bed and said, Jesus, come

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into my heart. I remember the prayer from youth group. Yeah. And I started going. And then I just

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started. I told him, I said, you know what? I said, you need to come go to church with me.

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He said, I'll go, if you call the pastor, gotta be cool. So I took him to church. He didn't

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know who I was yet. He just called me Doc. And then when I came out, he said, you're the pastor.

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He didn't know I was a pastor up until then. Good for you. That's excellence.

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And it's being seven, almost eight years. Yeah. Excellent. Uh, getting back to the apologetic,

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we can, we can, we can do the science, right? We can do the learning. That's right. We can do

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all of the background work, which is fantastic. We should. And you did the right thing.

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God in His grace took that knowledge. That's right. And by circumstances and situations,

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knocked it down into your heart to bring you to that point to that moment where I need to,

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I need to know if there's any personality behind this truth, right? Because look, the 10 commandments,

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they're true, but they're stone. And the scriptures tell us that the law came through Moses,

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put grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. So you heard the truth, you knew the truth,

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but when you saw the love, and this is a great witness for all of us, the power of love

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to back up the, the science of theology or the science of an apologetic argument.

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It's great to know the answers, but it's great to know why there's the answer. And who is the one

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that gave us that answer? And he was just reeling you in by the power of his holy spirit.

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Yeah. And it was, it was exactly what I needed because of what I had been dealing with behind the

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scenes. Yeah. So everybody sees, you know, I'm the six pick in the draft, number one player in the

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state of Florida, but all the stuff that was behind the scenes to your point, it was like the

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apologetics addressed the mind issue in terms of like, you know what? I could see this being real,

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but the moment of, like you said, the Holy Spirit really me in and using it as a temperate,

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it became tangible. And then when I started going to the services and he's teaching on faith and

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love and grace. And I'm like, oh my gosh, it started to work on me. And I talked about it last night

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where there's all these little instances of God allowing me to kind of through him to stand up

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to fear that got me to standing up in front of the world. The people that you reached last night,

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not only just in the crowd, but those that were no doubt watching, we will find out over time.

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And then eventually we'll find out in heaven. But for me personally, my granddaughter last night

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when asked, how was it? She just shouted, great. And you know, listen, teenagers are hard to

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impress. Hard to please, yeah, for sure. Hard to please. And so what happened was, is that

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out comes this star, this man that has got everything that the world would seek after.

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But what people didn't expect, I think, was the humility and the package, right,

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of the redeemed Jonathan Isaac, who found his footing in Christ. Because you share things

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that by doing so, you allowed us into your private life. Did I get this right? Did I hear this

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right last night that you used to be so intimidated that you were speaking at a youth camp?

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And that even even caused you to be a panic attack? Yeah, I had a panic attack while I was at

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Florida State and talking to a bunch of kids. And I remember, I remember somebody fending my face

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afterwards and not even remembering what had happened. And I even had instances like that in high

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school. But getting to Florida State and being like the big man on campus, and everybody expecting

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that, we're bringing to Jonathan Isaac, he's the number one player in the state of Florida. I had

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all of this pressure on myself about being able to perform and realize. And like, if I don't,

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what everybody else would think about me, that I was a fraud, that I was, you know, I wasn't

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capable and all that stuff. Even though I was trying to keep the image in the forefront, it was

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eating at me on the inside. And I remember there were times where I would just be eating breakfast,

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and I would tangibly freeze. And my teammates would be like, bro, you're good. And I'm like, I'm

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trying to break out of it. I can't move. And let's kind of dig personal for a moment for the benefit

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of others. And I'll share why in a moment. But do you feel it coming on? Do you feel it somewhere

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when that, when that moment was arriving? It didn't hit you like a train, right? Did you kind of like

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feel momentarily coming on? Maybe a few minutes before that there's this, you might have noticed

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that you're breathing a shallow or something. Can you describe a little bit of that for others

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that might be going through that? Yeah, absolutely. It's just just a feeling of like uneasiness.

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And I remember just like sweating a bit. Just feeling like I had been overtaken by something

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in a sense of like, I'm okay and all of a sudden something is gripping me to where I'm not in

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control anymore. And my body's reacting to it with the sweat and with the not being able to

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make a sentence and then ultimately just completely freezing. I say it that way because

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for years up until 1983, I just stuttered really bad all my life. And even when I asked

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my wife to marry me, will you please marry me? She said thankfully yes in her mercy.

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But for people who stutter, I can tell you that you can feel there's about, I'm going to guess

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maybe 10 seconds ahead of time where you begin to feel this really bizarre, it's almost a pain

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on the inside. You know what you're about to say, but you can't say it. There's a disconnect

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and then that causes attention and a pressure where you feel your pulse immediately spike,

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you feel out of control. And you don't know what to say. And back in the day when I was young,

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bullying was a cool thing to do. So I even had teachers put me,

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Jackson on top of the desk and rechapter three and they would laugh and all that kind of stuff.

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It was intense and it just caused me, it caused me as a young, you know, gosh, I remember nine

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years old. I don't know how personal we can be. Wait, this is my podcast. This is true.

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So don't tell anybody. But I was walking home from school one day. I was nine years old.

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I can tell you what I was wearing. I can tell you that I had I had a white high top

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converse tennis shoes on. I had a white t-shirt on. Leave I leave I button up 501s.

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It's just riveted in my mind. I can see the faces of the six guys standing around me.

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And they were in their young teens maybe. So they said, hey, you're the guy that stutters

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and they started pushing me around. And so they pushed me down and then they began to hold me down.

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And each one of them took the opportunity as they urinated on me. And they said,

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this affix it. This affix it. And I have to tell you, when they went away, I got up,

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went home. As you can imagine, the stench, the humiliated forget the stench. The internal

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pain was so great that from that moment on, I started hurting people, however I could.

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And it was almost like, you know, in the some Italian movie where, you know,

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Guido shows up the bump somebody off and he says, you know, it's nothing personal.

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It was nothing personal. But I had so lost control that I had no control, couldn't talk.

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I couldn't talk my way out of anything that I became violent. And that allowed me.

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In Southern California, we had what's called Junior All-American football. And other

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parts of the states, it's called Pop Warner. So I started playing contact football. And I wasn't

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very big, but I was really mean because I had so much hurt on the inside. And so I did pretty good

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in football, but all for the wrong motive, right? Even buying hamburgers for somebody,

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but the wrong motive doesn't work. Well, for me, my motive was I had to bring people down to

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where I live. And basically this hellhole of life. And it was just terrible. And I got saved in

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1977, heard the gospel for the first time, overwhelmed me that there was a father in heaven that

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loved me. But it wasn't until 1983 where God in one night healed me miraculously. But that being

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said, those are early years. And there's a lot of kids today. A lot of kids today that maybe it's

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their parents. Maybe it's their physical situation. Speak to their hearts.

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I would say that it's still something that I deal with. For you being miraculously healed,

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God, please. It's been a continuous battle of learning how to fight back and learning that I

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can fight back and learning that I have a choice to fight back. And many of the tools that Doc

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taught me was about using the word to speak back. He always said that if the devil speaks,

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you speak back and you keep it moving. And I remember so many instances of having that thought

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come across my mind, you're going to have a terrible game, you're a failure, all these different

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things. And saying back to myself, I got me the righteous or his boldest things. The righteous

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or his boldest lines. And it would combat it. And it would give me some lagging footing

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to stand on. And as I begin to do that more and more, I got to the place where I'm able to

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stand in front of people and talk and share and just learning how to rest in Christ's love.

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Not just that, but when Jonathan came on early on, I used to tell him come meet me at 530 prayer.

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So I started to build our relationship around prayer. I knew prayer was the foundation. He would

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be able to stand. So I started to teach him how to come to 530 prayer. He would come and maybe

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pray for 5 minutes and fall asleep, but that 5 minute turn into 10 minutes. The spirit was willing.

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The spirit was willing. Then he would go to 30 minutes and then but prayer was an

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integral part. So I started to develop that spiritual foundation. And I think that's what really

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begin to cause him to develop and really hear, lean that foundation of prayer.

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This, what you're saying, Doc, is amazing right now because there's the movie The Forge

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that's out there where it's really all about discipleship, discipleship making, loving men loving

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on younger men to build them up in Christ. And you live that out. I mean, that's that's exactly

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and that's what we're supposed to do. I've seen too many churches that are and don't get me wrong

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that are fixated on evangelism. And look, we're all in fact Paul told Timothy that we are to do the

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work of an evangelist. There is the gift of evangelist, obviously Billy Graham and others have

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that gift. But we're called in Matthew 28 to make disciples. And this is exactly what's happened

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here. Meeting the need, I think, is so important to be able to meet people where they're at.

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When I met Jonathan, he was meeting the need. He didn't have the furniture in his house.

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Certain things was in there when he would invite me over. So I saw things around that could have

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where I could have helped and ministered. So all of that was a part of just meeting the need.

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I think he went away one time and had a real bad game. And it was around Christmas time. And

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when he went away, he was he was feeling bad about Christmas, but somehow we snuck into his

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apartment. We put up a Christmas tree, we put gifts inside the house. And when he came back,

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it just just totally just that love just began to change. And by all by this will all men know

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you might disciples by the love you display. So that was really key too with the love we showed

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and the people in the church is minister when we could cook home, cook meals. We cook home,

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cook meals. Just met him where he was at and he saw that and that's what drew him. Sometimes we

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make ministry so hard, but it's just meeting the needs of persons when you meet their needs.

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You can't you can't defeat love. You can't pretend love. Love is real. And the Bible says love never

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fails. So as long as we operate in love, love always wins. No matter how it looks. So good. Love will

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always win. So good. It was God's love that won you. One us. That's right. That's right. How much

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when I said when you I'm talking about the pain that we were in, you said when you met that

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encounter with Christ was when you began to heal and you was just told me healed from that. So

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was that was God's love? You're making me think of something that I have I must confess right here

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right now that I have become so accustomed to God taking care of me. And it's what you mentioned

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a moment ago. And I've now I don't think I've ever said this before, but God healed me.

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But I cannot go out before any one of the three services on Sunday or the midweek service on

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Wednesday or wherever I might be guest speaking. I must confess the enemy even though he's defeated.

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Um, he never gives up. No, because I and you just made me think this and know this and realize

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this every time I get ready to go speak. I sense this attempted. This attempted ploy by the enemy.

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A thought will come into my mind when you get out there. You're not going to remember a thing

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that you've studied or you're not going to be able to say a word. You can it's insane. Yeah,

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it is. It's the battle. It's the battle. But you know what I want to say to that, but you could

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always tell that you were destined to be great because behind our weaknesses where our strength was,

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the enemy was trying to keep you silent, but look at the masses of people that you're reaching now.

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So behind that was now you're reaching the world through speaking. So he was trying to keep

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you silent. The same thing with Jonathan. God, he was trying to keep Jonathan and that paralyzed

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with fear so he would never be able to operate and become the man that God is calling the

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be that's now speaking to nations, speaking around the world. So behind that to everyone that's

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watching behind the weaknesses where their strength lies and unguarded weakness is a unguarded

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weakness is a double. That's where your strength is. So you got to guard your weakness. So so good.

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What can you say right now? I'd like you to say something to the men of a church, believers,

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they're wondering, Lord, show me my ministry. You know, is it take you know, show me this. God

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show me this. What would you say to them? When there's so many young men in the church that they're

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at, they have no father figure. They have no one to come alongside them. What would you commission a

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man? Let's say, I don't know, 35, 45, 55, 65. What would you say to him with all of the ministry

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that's right under his nose? You know, he's looking beyond. One of the first things I want to say is

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it's so important to get plugged into local church and find a pastor. When I was young, I didn't

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have a father in the home. My mother basically raised four boys. So church was my refuge. I came

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I came the Christ at age 11. So I run the church and I plugged in. And anytime you go get planted,

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God is strategic. He has a plan for our lives. There's always ministry around us. So even if you don't

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know what to do, get plugged into a ministry, whatever it is, whether it's helping with the youth,

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whether it's helping the pastor carry his briefcase, get plugged in, plug inside of something in that.

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And because God has a plan, he will strategically set up the pieces. He will put it together where he

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wants you to go. But if you're not plugged in, if you don't get make yourself available and become

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a part of ministry, then what God wants to reveal in your life, it can be revealed. So I would say to

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every young man, get plugged in, get under your pastor, get into youth group, become a part of

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something, whether it's bread is cooking, everybody has a gift. Whatever that gift is, use it. And then

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watch how God will set the divine appointments and put things together. David was Joseph was a dreamer.

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But what happened to Joseph? Joseph find himself just using his gift and his gift put him in trouble.

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But ultimately God's destiny and plan came to pass in his life. The devil couldn't fight it.

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So the Bible says to Jeremiah from Jeremiah, before you is in your mother's womb, I knew you.

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That's my first. And I ordained you to be a prophet. To the nation. To the nation. So nothing could stop

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it. So once God has a plan for you, get plugged in in a local church. When the enemy fights people

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from going to church, well, are they trying to take my money? Your churches are not real. And I

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want to even speak to that. You go to work and people at work hurt you, but you still got to go

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to work. You have family members of her church. That's true. You have family members of her

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church, but you're still a part of the family. When you want something, you got to stay planted,

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stay rooted, and then God will get it to you. But you got to fight for what you want. Nothing

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comes easy. And I would put it this way. You got to show up. You got to show up. Show up. Oh, Lord,

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you know, show me the need. Show me the need. Look around. That's right. So many needs. And you

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find out the need. That's right. By first of all saying, hi, what's your name? That's right.

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Just getting that name. And what you did, there's a, there's a friend of ours that wrote a book called

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Ignite Your Life, Barry McGuire. And it's all about, he says, it's all about moving people just one

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step closer to Jesus. And that's an act of love every day, just no matter who they might be. Love

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on those who either need encouragement, they might know the Lord, but they need encouragement,

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or they need to know the Lord. And that is a tangible, tangible witness. Let's change gears a

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little bit. What's the inspiration behind the book? What's brought you to doing this? And by the

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way, I'm looking at the back of the book with endorsements by Ben Shapiro, Franklin Graham, Tim

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Tibo and others. Jonathan, what inspired you to write? Why I stand? Well, the, really the big

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thing is the stand itself, right? So, you know, back in 2020, I talked about it last night with

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the tragic death of George Floyd and figuring out how to maneuver through that crisis as a black man.

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there were riots, Doc was preaching. And he talked about the moment that Peter lunges forwards and

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cuts off the guys here. And Jesus said a word. If you live by the sword, you'll die by the sword.

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And what he was trying to get us to understand was that in this moment in time, if we act in the

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same way, if we act in the way that's, that's our nature to us, which is to retaliate, which is

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absolutely, which is reasonable. But it's not right. And it's not right. And he said, if we can

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step into this moment with love and grace and truth that we would see real change. And I remember

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we did a, we did a whole walk through a, through downtown. We called it, lift up the lights, hold

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up the lights, where we said, if Jesus named he lifted up, he would drop into a sub right during

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that time. We walked through the streets. And then we went into what was called the bubble.

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And that, that was where this culminated. And you know, we had a, a team had knelt before us

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already. They knelt for the National Anthem and the World Black Lives Matter t-shirts. And

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they knelt. And so we had a team meeting and everybody's like, look, we don't have a choice.

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We, we need to kneel because this team already knelt. It's over.

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And I'm watching you. I'm not knowing you at the time. I'm watching you on the news. I mean,

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I'm seeing this unfold. Where here's this young man standing.

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frankly, I mean, putting his total career on the line.

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absolutely. Remember now they would not, they were ex-immunicating.

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Yeah. People were getting canceled. People were getting canceled. That was their thoughts and

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we're getting canceled. And one of my teammates turned towards me and like,

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Jonathan, what are you going to do? And it was like that same moment of fear gripping me.

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And I said, I said, fellas, I'm not going to kneel. And I'm not going to wear the t-shirt.

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And I said, I cannot throw stones from a glass house. We all fall short of the glory of God.

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Such a great response. One of the things that I said was that if we could love each other,

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the way that God loves us, which is in spite of our sin, in spite of our shortcomings,

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then we could have real change. And it wasn't that I didn't see an issue. Like, you know,

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people will say because I, because I decided to stand, I'm saying that that issue doesn't exist.

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No, I'm saying that one, that's not the only issue. Ultimately, the issue is the hearts of men.

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And we're truly changing the hearts of men as a gospel with Jesus Christ.

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The love of God. The love of God that changed me. So great.

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So after the bubble kind of happens, I hurt myself the next game. So I stood in the bubble.

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Which injury was this one?

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Is my ACL.

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Is ACL.

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To remember, then remember, he just stood that night and then the next game was where he injured himself.

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The very next night.

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I know this is like, okay, Lord.

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And so as I'm dealing with that, you know, Doc comes over to my apartment and he's like,

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you need to write a book and he said, people know you're standing with this.

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This is after the injury.

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After the injury.

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I said, people know I came dancing.

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And I didn't say you're just going to write a book.

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I said, you're going to write a book and you're going to make a movie.

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I said, you're going to write a book and you're going to make a movie.

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And so we started to work towards the book and everything just kind of came together.

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What was so funny is that I go tell my agent, hey, you know, I'm looking

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to write a book. He was like, I literally just got off the phone with a book agent.

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That was saying that you need to write a book and it came together.

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And we did it and the name was called Why I Stand.

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And what's really remarkable about the book for me, it's not the stand.

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It's not any of that. It's the full story that takes you back into how I started,

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which to me speaks to the reality of Christ being an answer, the answer.

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Because people, you know, they would look at the stand and so many people were like,

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oh, you're so courageous, you're so bold.

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And this was able to show them.

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It's not how it always been and it's always been a battle.

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And this is how I got from here, from taking these identification

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to standing in the human world.

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I love it because when we look at the incredible exploits,

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Daniel 1132 says, those who know their God shall carry out great exploits,

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when we look at these remarkable events of the Old Testament,

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we all love them. We read them and the temptation is to make them a Sunday school story.

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They're not a Sunday school story. They are actual events.

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These things really happen. And so when we read about this incredibly outnumbered

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army of Israel's got just a scrappy 300 group of guys or whatever it might be, God comes through.

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And it's been my understanding of scripture that God doesn't move with the mighty.

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He doesn't move with the numbers.

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He seems to use those that are weak.

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He seems to use those fewer number.

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Of course, the scripture says that he would get the glory.

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And that I think that is a fundamental thing that we allow me to allow two pastors to just

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kind of riff right now on this, where if we would get back as a church in the 21st century

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to what the first century church was so much empowered by, they were weak,

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they were just starting. Now they had no manual, they had no church conferences to go to and

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they were open, vulnerable to the Holy Spirit empowered by God. He's the same Holy Spirit today

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that he was then. So why don't we, why do we not see these powerful things be done?

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I think we are if we realize what you just said.

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Lord, I know that in me, well, there's no good thing.

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And that's not like an insult. That's not God beating us up.

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That without him, there's no eternal value. But with him, there's infinite eternal value.

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And we don't go around saying stuff. We go around because we have something to say.

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And if it's Bible coming out, then I think we can expect results. I think we should actually

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expect that. When Jonathan told me, one of the things in Jonathan called me that night that he

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echoed, I told Jonathan, he was, when he was nervous about standing, he said, Doc, I don't know,

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if you know what's going to come out of this, I don't know if you know what's going to come out of

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this. I said, listen, you can't stand for God and God must stand for you. And I was so true.

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It was just so true. And God has proven that. And I told him under things, I said,

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then I said, this will echo for the rest of your life. I said, this will echo after you die.

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I said, your children will help children. I said, this will echo for the rest of your life

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because it's attached to eternity. God is eternal. I said, so whatever you do for God will last

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for ever. And it's, it's rippling, the book, the clothing line, the things that has happened

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just out of daughter. It's just rippling. And we have, the movies will come and there'll be,

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there'll be a number two movie, then a number three movies. There will be sequels because nothing

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in God stops. He takes us from glory to glory to glory. As long as we give it to him.

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That's right. That's right. It's not under the book. It's not only the book, which by the way,

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you guys, you can see the link where you can get the book, get the book, get two books,

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share one with somebody else. But wonderfully published by Daily Wire. What an honor. Daily wire.

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I mean, my goodness. First book. Yeah. First book. First book. First book. It's the first book

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they published. Right. I think they just, yeah, they just started their, their, they did

435
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DW books. Yeah. Angle or side of the business. Anyway, we were first. That's fantastic. That's

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right. But it's, look, watch this. It's not only that. I want to save this for last.

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Okay. This is correct. So it's not only that, let's talk about this. Right here, I'm holding a box

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that is my box. Jonathan gave this to me last night. You had a deal with Nike and situations

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changed and God led you to create your own line. And when, when we say his own line, we're not

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talking about something off. Right. We're not talking about something less than this is remarkable.

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You guys, I don't know if you visit, visit the site and take a peek, take a look. But I got to

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tell you, Jonathan gave these to me last night. And I'm torn because I put them on immediately

443
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and they're amazing. But then I don't want to wear them ever again because I just wanted to have

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them as like a little trophy piece. But tell us about how this came about and the quality of the

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shoe. I mean, this is legit. This is NBA legit. This is not some half-hearted attempt. That's

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why I read that passage out of Corinthians. Everything that you do, do it, do it wholeheartedly

447
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under the Lord to the glory of God. Talk about this thing. I mean, this is absolutely incredible

448
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engineering. Yeah, thank you. So these are the Judah one low tops. And the way it started, you

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talked about it. I was signed to Nike while I was in the bubble. I was a Nike athlete and ended

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up not resigning me after my injury. And I went to doc and I was like, hey, I'll probably be looking

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for because I would have to go through a bunch of rehab. And I said, when I come back, I'll probably

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looking at a deedist or another brand to wear. And he said, why don't you make your own shoe?

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And I said, you're insane. You know, that's, that's a wild man. You know that.

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But that's pastors. That's why it's so important to be planted. Because when people are sitting

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under the word, they have a pastor, a leader to go to who can give them godly counsel.

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Then I was as there's safety in the multitude of counsel. People believe that they don't need a

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pastor, but you then I was like, how will you hear without a preacher? I love it. And fake

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coming by hearing. So you got to hear a preacher. So you're fake and grow. So just how you need

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to doctor in hospital, you need your pastor. Yeah. Yes. People don't understand the necessity

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of their pastor. Yes. I love it. So love it. So I was obedient, even though I didn't quite understand

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it first. And I started making phone calls and called my agent and told him about the idea. And he

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was like, okay. Yeah. And we just, we ran with it. And the first shoe that we created was the

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Judah one. It was the high top version of this. You know, there's still on the website now. But

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it was the first NBA signature sneaker with visible Bible verses on the outside.

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Yes. I don't know if you guys can see that. If not, we'll take a, we'll take a closer look.

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So this, this shoe is called spotless. The name of this shoe is called spotless.

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Psalms 51 and 7 cleanse me Lord. Yes. Made me as wide as you know. Yes.

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So that's why it's called spotless. And each shoe has its own Bible verse. And each

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shoe has its own kind of name. So I wore the, the high top version all the last season.

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And these little tops dropped this summer. And I'll be wearing them for the next season as

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well. But it's, it's been the culmination of, like you said, the hard work and God just

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ordering the steps and filling in the details to be able to produce something of this magnitude.

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These are the actual shoes that I wear in the NBA. Very good. Did you hear that, everybody?

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The actual shoes he wears. And I, and I got to tell you, put, put one on. Like I did last night

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for the first time. And, and you'll, you'll sense and know the quality of it, which is absolutely

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excellent. Um, where's it available? You can go to we, we are United's.com. We are

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United's, which is the name of the company. That's the, we call that the parent. Is it with every

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the parent company? We are United's.com. And I'll say that when the first idea was just the shoe.

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It was, okay, we're going to make this shoe. My middle name is Judah. Jonathan Judah Isaac.

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So I said, hey, we're going to call it. Jonathan Judah Isaac. I mean, how does somebody get a name

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like that when you're born in Israel? My dad is Jacob and I'm, I'm his fourth son. That's right.

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So yes, so that was the idea was initially just the shoe. And then we had another conversation. And

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he was like, we need to, we need to make it bigger. And the idea was that the thing that comes

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to my mind and I've been talking about it a bunch is encouraging the body and allowing people to

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take the word of God with them on the court, off the court in their everyday lives through their

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footwear. And then it turned into clothes. And he came up with the name United's. And I remember,

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you can tell. That's right. Yes, I think, I think, I think I need to hang around you.

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Well, I love hanging around you. So we could do that any time. As I want to get all that wisdom.

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Oh, my goodness. The other way around. What happened in, I was in prayer and I was,

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we were, you know, just praying about the name and we have the ark of the covenant in the church.

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And I saw the two cherubims pointing their wings at each other. And I said, God, this country is so

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divided. I said, only you could unite that. That's right. Only you can unite us. So I said,

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I said, the name is United's. Perfect. You're the name is United's. And I call him, I said, Jonathan,

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the name needs to be United's. And that's how the name came up with the two angels pointing

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their hands. Only God could unite. That's right. That's right. That's how we got the name.

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And then, and we started running with it. And now it is what it is today. It's growing. We went

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from the, you know, the high tops to the low tops. Later this fall, we'll be dropping our first

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like a shoe outside of basketball. So it'll be a trainer. I've got them all right now. So I

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won't take them off the show. But I'll follow it. I'll follow instructions. Show them.

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So this shoe, it's called the Fortra. And this is going to be dropping later this fall. This is

501
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one of six colorways that we'll have. They all have, um, first Samuel 230 on the back.

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First Samuel 230. He who honors God, God will honor. And so we're taking this shoe as we're

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going to honor God. We're going to honor God with every step. And so, uh, these will drop,

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we didn't do. And then one of the colorways is purple. And it has Esther 414 on the back. And that's

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our mom's colorway. This is our mama's bear. And I talked to you a little bit yesterday about

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after we dropped the initial six, we're going to come out with a life colorway. Yes.

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We're Jeremiah 29. Explain this. Uh, if you can, I don't know what you can say or not say about this.

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But, um, friends, obviously, you know, the life issue is, is the number one issue on the planet

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today. And it should be because it's human sacrifice. The offering up of, of children,

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unborn children is, is from ancient times. We talked a moment last night about how I believe

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it's Jonathan Khan who wrote the book, The Return of the Gods. And it's, it's technically the return

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of the demons. And what are the manifestations of that is the taking of the unborn life. And so,

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you are going to put out what is a theme of this shoe of this shoe called the fortress. So,

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this is, it's going to be a specific colorway unto itself. And we're going to do it in conjunction

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with live action, um, and Laila Rose. Um, so I was on our podcast the, the, the yesterday. Fantastic

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warrior. Yes. It'll be, it'll be its own colorway and the verse on the back will be Jeremiah 29

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and 11. And people will be walking around supporting life. So people buy these online. Yes.

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Until, until you have a storefront of your own. In Jesus name, we, in Jesus name Lord,

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will we grow big enough to have a lot of stories? It's going to happen. May there be storefronts,

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uh, because I'm, I'm going to guess, uh, the NBA or ESPN or NBC, they don't, they don't zoom in,

521
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right? They don't zoom in with the camera during, no, fortunately, they probably avoid your shoe.

522
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They probably see you, they, they'll cover you going down the court to ankle out,

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sure, because they don't want to get that Jesus involved in things,

524
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but they can't stop it. They can't stop. They can't stop it. Yeah, they can trial. They want,

525
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they can't stop. Um, gosh, I wish you guys could look at this and, and hold it and feel it,

526
00:46:58.160 --> 00:47:03.360
and it's so impressive. I can't even begin to imagine how you go about finding the engineers

527
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that put this together. And I mean, I mean, engineering, it's, it's amazing. Um, so

528
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uh, this is going on and at the same time, because, uh, you do not avoid controversy,

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which I love. In fact, listen, hey, you guys, people will get along very good. People

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avoid controversy. They live a boring life. Jesus was controversial. Yeah,

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right. And, and we don't go around picking fights. That would be gross, because we,

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we need to go around sharing the love of Christ. But listen, the truth of the matter is,

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when evil, uh, rare as it's ugly head, we're supposed to confront evil. And second Corinthians

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10, verse six, Paul told the Corinthians, which, I mean, I've been to Corinth. I don't know if

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you guys have ever been to Corinth, but after visiting Corinth and looking at the archaeological

536
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evidence of how debase the Corinthian culture was in the first century, if you wanted to insult

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somebody, you called them a Corinthian. That's how bad it was. It's like somebody today saying,

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he's a Californian. It's like, wow, uh, well, Paul said to them, by you being obedient to Christ,

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your obedience will punish all disobedience and your obedience shall be spoken of.

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What a remarkable verse. It almost sounds like an Old Testament verse, because it sounds a little

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bit militant. But when we talk about punishing disobedience, it's not violent. It's righteousness.

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It's doing the right thing. And so this is the right thing. That's right. This is the right

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thing. He didn't have to do any of this stuff at all whatsoever. Uh, but here's

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one of those examples of the right thing, of the right thing to do. So on the back is that

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wonderful name, the brand, United's, okay. And this shirt is, I stand with Israel. I stand

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with Israel. Can you see that? Let me get that out there. So the reason why I'm going to be very,

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very bold. The reason why I'm showing you this right now is because I want you to buy them.

548
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We don't ever do this right. Do we ever ask for money on this podcast? Never.

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Um, but and I'm not promoting anything that I've done. This is everything that Jonathan

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is standing for and doing. But you guys, if you're any part of this audience, you know that we

551
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stand with Israel. And so if you want to bless the people of Israel and if you want to bless the

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God of Israel, uh, stand with Israel. And Jonathan has put together this t-shirt and where do they

553
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get the shirt? Same location. Yeah, same location. We are United's.com. And I will say a portion of

554
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all the proceeds go back to a company called United Hatsala in Israel. They do on live medical work,

555
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on motorcycles taking medical aid to different things and people when there are those unfortunate

556
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attacks. That's right. You can't beat it. You can't beat it. You can't. Please, please, is it,

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what's the price of this? Actually, I'm not sure. I'm not sure what it is for.

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Unfortunately, look at the site. I think 20 bucks on the website. So get them. Please get them.

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And, um, you know, we need to get, by the way, we need to get,

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we need to get these into Israel. Yes. So that Israel will know that there's someone

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wearing this shirt that stands with them. Because right now you guys, Israel feels so isolated.

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They've been so maligned by the media. It's, it's horrible what's been going on. And, um,

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and so this, again, this is another brave, brave stand that you're taking. And so you should

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to be, to be honest with you is because God said to us in Genesis 12, I'll bless those who bless you,

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those with the children of Abraham. So, um, so what, what more? What's, what's next? What's,

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what's happening in your world next? What's, uh, just, uh, just continuing to grow. I, I had this

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kind of like a revelation yesterday, um, where we were riding in the car and I remember, um,

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the, the brand, uh, uh, phrase for United States is redefine greatness. And, uh, what that means to

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me is that the world has a version of what greatness is. How much money you have, your accolades,

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everything that you've done. Um, but to truly be great is to honor God. And so what's so

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interesting is that's the first thing you said to me. I can tell you how to be great in the elevator.

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That's right. I can tell you how to be great. You have to know Jesus now. What a great,

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what a great statement. Yes, because you can give that to anybody. That's right. That's right.

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At any time. That's right. At any time. I can tell you how to be great. Yeah. Wow.

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And my, my thinking is, okay, you're going to tell me how to be great while I got to,

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I got to do more pushups. I got to do more shots. That's human. That's our human works.

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That's a human works. Exactly right. He said, you got to know Jesus. And I'm living it out to say

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everything that I have given to Christ in terms of my life and my surrender, um, has brought me

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into what true greatness and the redefinition of what greatness is. And everything that's been

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me has taken me in the wrong direction. Yeah. And it's taken me in this pursuit of an artificial

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greatness that the world offers. Um, but if we could really rest in that in our hearts,

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that to honor God is to truly be great is to walk in the redefinition of greatness, um,

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then we'll do it more often. So, do you know, he's preaching to himself and we are to do this. Yeah.

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I think it was Adrian Rogers, um, had made the comment or, or maybe Charles Stanley had said,

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and he was probably repeating some great preacher before him that every day we need to preach the

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gospel to ourselves. Yeah. And that is a reminder of God's love for us and God's purpose for us.

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And so when you say what you say, when you remind yourself, when you are now telling us,

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uh, of, of greatness of using everything to the glory of God, making a statement, telling

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your story, uh, so others can be inspired. You are literally worrying against

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that past that held you bound. Yes. And I mean this to encourage you. Um, I've been a Christian

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for a very long time and the battle, the document you mentioned earlier, the battle's not going to go away.

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I don't believe the Lord allows the battle to go away because it's how we keep our sword sharp.

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And so you're such a great example of battling through with the Lord through all of these

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things, injuries, setbacks, pressure to bow the knee. Um, all of it, you have plotted along. You've

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just kept going and God has blessed you with a godly man in your life. I just want to add this.

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That when we say, when Doc says, I can tell you how to be great. And then Jonathan just says,

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redefining greatness. Yes. That Jesus Christ is that model. So we're not talking about greatness,

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like put my name on the plaque, put it up on the lights, give me a star in the walk of fame.

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Jesus made it very clear that greatness is serving your brothers and sisters.

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The one who the ones among you are to be the greatest will be the servants of all. And that is

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the joy of true, biblically based Christianity. And we're seeing in our world today the church being

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prepared. It's almost as though God has no, no longer much patience for the flouting,

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flaunting and pushing of human greatness within the church. The world's going to do what the world

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does. Sure. Sure. They don't father forgive them. They don't know what they do. That's right.

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But when you're the star in a church setting, something's very wrong, something's ill.

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But if you're going to be a servant of all, he defines that greatness. Right. And when he does,

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he gets your witness and your message out there. And so I want you to know, we are 100% committed

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to Jonathan Isaac to unite us to getting this out. That's why I'm not being embarrassed or ashamed

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for the first time ever to plead with people to get the book because it's worth the read because

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it's got something to say. Get these NBA quality, uh, fent witness their mark with scripture. What

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more, what more can this young man do to get the body of Christ pumped up and ready to go? Because

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listen, people spent, I don't, people spend ridiculous amounts of money to put on Nike's and

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all this other stuff. Come on. Uh, forget them. We know what they stand for. We know where they're at.

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There's a better thing going on. There's a better thing going on. And we need you to

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get behind what this young man who loves Jesus is doing. We don't hear this enough. We don't

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have the opportunity enough to promote this. And so, uh, we're going to stay in touch from this

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time on. And we're going to do everything possible to get you out there. A duck, uh, some final

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words before we pitch the final words to them. I think that it's important for people who are

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watching to understand God is not trying to take something from them. He's trying to get something

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to them. John and then had the mindset that something was trying to be taken from him. That's

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what the world thinks. But God is trying to get, get you to greatness, the book, the shoes,

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his family. It far exceeds that. So eternity with God was trying to get which becomes tangible.

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People think that when they get saved, it's just about, just about losing everything. But you

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lose your life, but you gain so much more. The Bible says, whoever leaves father, mother, brother,

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sister in this life. So in this life, she'll receive 100 full, not just when they go to heaven.

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He said in this life, and Jonathan is getting the blessing of coming to the Lord and seeing the

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manifestation. So people remember now, all of this has happened when he was injured, not when he

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was in the game, when he was injured. So God showed him, listen, I got your back off the court.

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And I got your back on the court. And it's something I always quote to Jonathan, I said,

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off the court, on the court. I said, whatever you do in life, you can manifest on that court.

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I said, if you're strong off, you can be strong on. I said, if you could fight off, you can be

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able to fight on. So looking at the enemy, at the teaching behind the scene, so spiritual,

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that spirituality being built, we made spirit, soul and body. The best part of us is our spiritual

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part. When that's built up, nobody could stop us. That's why it becomes out of your mouth is so

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important. That's why this podcast is so important. And you're speaking with what you're doing is

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you're speaking life into people's spirit. So be encouraged. And listen, you don't stop. I told

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you, but I see movies on you. You don't stop because the best is yet to come. You don't stop.

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You keep going because God has so much more for you. So beautiful. Thank you so much. Jonathan,

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closing words, man. Just thank you so much for having us. And I truly appreciate it. You are

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the most down-to-earth guy that I've met. Yes. And so I'm truly appreciative. And like you say,

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we're going to stay connected. And thank you to everybody that's watching. And I'm grateful.

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We would love to stay connected. We will. We will. Everybody, listen, pray for Jonathan Isaac.

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Pray that God just elevates him even more in the NBA and puts him forward. Not only the NBA,

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because you know what? The NBA is not his identity, right? It's the Lord Jesus Christ. And so because

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of that, it's evident that the Lord is opening up more and more doors for him to get out the word

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of God. He could have put his name on the back of this. He put scripture on the back of this.

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So wherever you're at, whoever you are, many of you have contacts. Many of you are in industries

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whereby these wonderful productions can be used to advance the kingdom. Do your part, play your part.

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And I was reading last night in closing. I was reading where in Oxford, England,

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there's a black X that is in the street. It's called broad streets. They're in Oxford.

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And at the point of that X is where three very famous reformers of the faith

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died. They were burned to death at that spot for their faith because they believed that everybody

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should have the word of God for themselves. And I had the chance to stand there, even though I was

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reading about this, but I was reminded having stood there and then reading last night the fact that

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in this moment when these men were tied to the state to be burned and everybody was surrounding

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them. They were spitting on them and cursing them. That was the organized religious hierarchy

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that had turned on these, these preachers of the word of God because they simply wanted to bring

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to the people the word of God. The strong statement was made. I believe it was by Fox. Fox had said

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to Bishop Ridley, he said, play the man. Be strong and play the man because what catches fire

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here, thinking about themselves, what catches fire here will become an unquenchable flame throughout

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all the world. And I read that last night and I was moved by that because that's not only true

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in history. It's true for those who embrace the gospel of Jesus Christ. For God's soul of the

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world, that's you, that he gave us only begotten that's glorified son, that whosoever would believe on

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him would not perish but have everlasting life friends. Jonathan found his liberty in this freedom

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and the identity of Christ. It's not by how many scores, it's not by how many efforts he does,

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how many points he gets in the sense of God, are you happy now? No, the Lord is happy with Jonathan

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Isaac because the Lord sees him wrapped in the blood of Jesus Christ. And that robe of righteousness

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that Jesus provided for us is available to all those who will simply ask, but there is a prerequisite.

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There is something required of you. It is this, Lord, I'm a sinner. I'm a sinner. I have failed.

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I've sinned against you God and I'm sorry for that. And I want to make it right. I want to receive

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your free gift of eternal life. And I want to have this great exchange. I want to become a new creation.

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I want to have this power that I've heard about in this young man's life and in Doc's life. I want

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to have this power. I want to know God. I want to end my life with purpose and meaning because

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to you, Lord be all the glory. You can simply pray that prayer in whatever words you want. There's

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no magic prayer, but invite the Lord Jesus Christ to come into your life. And if you do that,

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let us know. We'd love to pray with you. Contact us. But in the meantime, friends,

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pray. This is your mission now. Pray for Jonathan Isaac that God would bless his witness.

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We need more and more people just like him. So, God bless you. Doc, thank you so much for being here.

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I give hubby nuts. Oh, just our pleasure. Jonathan, incredible. Thank you. God bless you. Take care,

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church.