WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.840 Real life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:10.880 truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Everybody with us today in this 3 00:00:10.880 --> 00:00:16.800 very special podcast is a United States Navy Chaplain. One who represents the 4 00:00:16.800 --> 00:00:20.640 gospel of Jesus Christ in the military realm. We're gonna be learning a lot and 5 00:00:20.640 --> 00:00:26.120 maybe you can play a role as well. So stay tuned I think you're gonna get a lot out of 6 00:00:26.120 --> 00:00:32.200 this. You can get the outlines of this podcast by 7 00:00:32.200 --> 00:00:39.040 going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. Today if this podcast lifts you up and 8 00:00:39.040 --> 00:00:43.200 encourages you to live a more fulfilled life in Christ then make sure you leave 9 00:00:43.200 --> 00:00:49.120 us one of those five star ratings. To us that's like saying amen or yes then 10 00:00:49.120 --> 00:00:53.800 that rating will encourage others to listen. Now open your hearts to what God's 11 00:00:53.800 --> 00:00:59.440 word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. We're everybody welcome to this 12 00:00:59.440 --> 00:01:04.480 podcast. We're glad that you guys are with us. This is a special podcast. I say 13 00:01:04.480 --> 00:01:09.320 that every time but this is special but I can preface it by saying this it's 14 00:01:09.320 --> 00:01:14.960 special because at the time of this we're recording today right now is June 6th 15 00:01:14.960 --> 00:01:19.440 and tragically many young people in our nation today they're not aware of what 16 00:01:19.440 --> 00:01:23.480 June 6th really stands for and really what it means. Let's put it to you this 17 00:01:23.480 --> 00:01:30.680 way. June 6th there were thousands of people dying by the hour on the shores 18 00:01:30.680 --> 00:01:38.880 of France as the allied forces at that time the greatest armada the greatest 19 00:01:38.880 --> 00:01:45.000 gathering of a military invasion and world history where the US and the allied 20 00:01:45.000 --> 00:01:51.400 forces were storming Europe to liberate Europe from the tyranny of Adolf Hitler. 21 00:01:51.400 --> 00:01:56.200 I'm talking of course about D. Day June 6th and so I just want you to know 22 00:01:56.200 --> 00:02:00.120 that many of you do know some of you don't know but this is very very special 23 00:02:00.120 --> 00:02:05.680 day and it just so happens that we have with us the guests that makes this 24 00:02:05.680 --> 00:02:10.080 a special time together and do listen carefully because what he's going to be 25 00:02:10.080 --> 00:02:16.680 sharing is not only incredibly excellent but you just you just might be the 26 00:02:16.680 --> 00:02:22.400 person that can fit the bill on on this one and play the role that God has called 27 00:02:22.400 --> 00:02:27.960 you to be. I'm talking about into a brother that has been I can't remember when 28 00:02:27.960 --> 00:02:32.920 we first met but it's been a long time but Captain Dennis Wheeler of the 29 00:02:32.920 --> 00:02:38.080 United States Navy. He didn't start out on the Navy exactly he started out in 30 00:02:38.080 --> 00:02:43.520 the Marine Corps but the Marine Corps is the Department of the Navy but he has been 31 00:02:43.560 --> 00:02:51.640 in and protecting our freedoms for some 37 38 years. A few years started when 32 00:02:51.640 --> 00:02:56.800 he was about four years old in the Marine Corps but listen you guys it's a real 33 00:02:56.800 --> 00:03:01.080 honor to have this man of God with us and he's going to be talking to us today 34 00:03:01.080 --> 00:03:07.720 about chaplaincy. In the United States armed forces where did it come from? 35 00:03:07.720 --> 00:03:13.440 How did that come about? What does it take to be a chaplain in the United States 36 00:03:13.440 --> 00:03:22.200 military and specifically as he mentions and instructs us if you're not that 37 00:03:22.200 --> 00:03:27.120 person that can step into that role maybe you know somebody I guess you know 38 00:03:27.120 --> 00:03:34.320 what we're looking for just a few good men men yes and so this is gonna be a 39 00:03:34.320 --> 00:03:37.960 great great time it's it's always great to be with you it's great thank you so 40 00:03:37.960 --> 00:03:41.840 much for having me here today appreciate that and just appreciate your 41 00:03:41.840 --> 00:03:47.800 support of the military what you do for the government even you know I just 42 00:03:47.800 --> 00:03:52.160 want to say thank you for your prayer in Congress I know you got a lot I heard 43 00:03:52.160 --> 00:03:57.440 about it I saw a lot about it in the news but thank you for your strength in 44 00:03:57.440 --> 00:04:00.800 your courage to be able to go before Congress and to pray the prayer that you 45 00:04:00.800 --> 00:04:04.120 pray I know that you said this is just a normal prayer that prayer that you 46 00:04:04.120 --> 00:04:07.760 pray yeah but they needed to hear that I mean this you know this is a prayer 47 00:04:07.760 --> 00:04:11.440 that we would say about ourselves about repentance and and where we need to 48 00:04:11.440 --> 00:04:15.400 go ourselves and that's where our country needs to go as well so thank you on 49 00:04:15.400 --> 00:04:19.600 behalf of you know Calvary Chapel Chaplains and the military in general for 50 00:04:19.600 --> 00:04:24.240 standing up for for truth and for God and to to bring it when it needs to be 51 00:04:24.240 --> 00:04:28.840 brought yeah but it was my honor and pleasure and I I'm grateful for that I 52 00:04:28.840 --> 00:04:34.320 I'm grateful for the fact and you can jump in on this is the fact that I forget 53 00:04:34.320 --> 00:04:43.480 the exact year but I was something like in the 249th or 250th year I think it 54 00:04:43.480 --> 00:04:51.320 dates back of course before 1776 of clergy opening the gathering of the 55 00:04:51.320 --> 00:04:57.320 Continental Congress in prayer and so this chaplaincy thing this chaplaincy 56 00:04:57.320 --> 00:05:02.560 relationship there are chaplains in the civilian world and then there's 57 00:05:02.560 --> 00:05:06.560 chaplains in the military realm can you impact the difference the function of 58 00:05:06.560 --> 00:05:11.600 a chaplain and how those two are different sure kind of go back to what you 59 00:05:11.600 --> 00:05:15.640 said about the history of the chaplaincy is that general George Washington 60 00:05:15.640 --> 00:05:20.000 before he's president as he's building the Continental Army you know there was 61 00:05:20.000 --> 00:05:23.160 establishment of the army and their birthday I think is in August sorry my 62 00:05:23.160 --> 00:05:26.800 army brothers I think it's August the Marine Corps birthday is November 10th 63 00:05:26.800 --> 00:05:31.080 everybody knows that one but during that time frame general George 64 00:05:31.080 --> 00:05:36.360 Washington said we have this army we have this navy we need to have chaplains we 65 00:05:36.360 --> 00:05:39.840 need to have pastors that are a part of the military and so we were 66 00:05:39.840 --> 00:05:45.200 established as a chaplaincy back in 1775 like you said before the Constitution 67 00:05:45.200 --> 00:05:50.040 was even ratified and you know and signed by the the signers that there was a 68 00:05:50.040 --> 00:05:54.840 chaplaincy from the very beginning of our country that was part of the 69 00:05:54.840 --> 00:05:59.160 military system and so there's you know the army chaplains were would go with 70 00:05:59.160 --> 00:06:03.560 the their battalions navy chaplains were assigned to those very early ships 71 00:06:03.560 --> 00:06:10.600 yeah and the what they were told that you know what they were to do was to 72 00:06:10.600 --> 00:06:15.040 preach sermons on Sunday and then to teach as well yeah so they were the 73 00:06:15.040 --> 00:06:20.520 teachers on the ships during those timeframes and so they were going out in the 74 00:06:20.520 --> 00:06:24.720 revolutionary war on the ships and with those battalions on the land in the 75 00:06:24.720 --> 00:06:30.080 army to be able to provide a sense of military or a sense of God's presence with 76 00:06:30.080 --> 00:06:33.880 them you know in the book of Deuteronomy it talks about how the priest were to 77 00:06:33.880 --> 00:06:38.680 carry the ark before the army going out to war and that was God's presence going 78 00:06:38.680 --> 00:06:44.640 with them and there was such a a sense of you know God's presence not just to 79 00:06:44.640 --> 00:06:50.720 win the battle but to act ethically as well and so chaplains I believe I use 80 00:06:50.720 --> 00:06:56.760 that all the time that we are to go out with the with our units before them 81 00:06:56.760 --> 00:07:02.200 even into war into the battle to bring God's presence to them yes we often as 82 00:07:02.200 --> 00:07:07.320 chaplains we'll be able to go into spaces that nobody else can get into and 83 00:07:07.320 --> 00:07:12.240 some of those spaces are very chaotic and hectic and when the chaplain walks 84 00:07:12.240 --> 00:07:18.480 in there's actually a very visible change in the atmosphere that that people 85 00:07:18.480 --> 00:07:22.840 like oh the chaplains here it's going to be okay isn't it sometimes and it's 86 00:07:22.840 --> 00:07:29.960 just an amazing experience to see people's attitudes change not just they're 87 00:07:29.960 --> 00:07:36.600 not cursing anymore but that there's a sense of peace and like this is going to 88 00:07:36.600 --> 00:07:41.040 be okay for us is that great it's awesome so we'll get into the things that we 89 00:07:41.040 --> 00:07:45.680 need to get into but before we do you you mentioned General George Washington 90 00:07:45.680 --> 00:07:51.800 a lot of people don't realize that he was once a colonel in the British forces 91 00:07:51.800 --> 00:07:56.520 yes yes the Battle of Brandywine I mean he was one of the very few guys that 92 00:07:56.520 --> 00:08:02.680 survived that Bratik he was he was shot killed the losses were tremendous but 93 00:08:02.680 --> 00:08:12.200 Washington saw the hand of God and early on it was Washington who who was 94 00:08:12.200 --> 00:08:18.440 actually shot he was shot I say he was shot I have to be careful how I say this 95 00:08:18.440 --> 00:08:26.820 his his undercoat had received I think it's a five bullet marks and yet 96 00:08:26.820 --> 00:08:32.700 none of them hit his skin and that later came out in history that that later 97 00:08:32.700 --> 00:08:37.180 came out where this was being talked about Washington was president and he 98 00:08:37.180 --> 00:08:42.660 began to recite where he was when that happened and it's it's quite remarkable 99 00:08:42.660 --> 00:08:48.060 I can't help but believe that that had something to do with his his dependence 100 00:08:48.060 --> 00:08:52.940 upon God especially in battle because again you said it right it was his 101 00:08:52.940 --> 00:08:58.020 genesis of we need chaplains and then John Adams went and fought with Congress 102 00:08:58.020 --> 00:09:01.980 about funding we need to have funding for those chaplains they need to be paid 103 00:09:01.980 --> 00:09:07.260 but the remarkable thing and it kind of gets to where we're going today the 104 00:09:07.260 --> 00:09:13.940 chaplains were not just some some soldiers that were reading their 105 00:09:13.940 --> 00:09:17.980 Bibles or they happen to have gone to Sunday school these were the most 106 00:09:17.980 --> 00:09:24.580 educated guys in the entire group because they had their doctorates or 107 00:09:24.580 --> 00:09:32.300 their ministry degrees from schools like William and Mary Harvard Yale Princeton 108 00:09:32.300 --> 00:09:39.300 and they were military chaplains and they were not some country bumpkin but I 109 00:09:39.300 --> 00:09:44.620 find it remarkable that in an overwhelming vote Congress said yes 110 00:09:44.620 --> 00:09:49.300 absolutely we are going to fund this we're going to have these chaplains a lot 111 00:09:49.300 --> 00:09:54.860 of people don't realize that Washington was a very deeply committed spiritual man 112 00:09:54.860 --> 00:10:01.220 and I've read a lot I say I've read his mail I've read a lot of his own 113 00:10:01.220 --> 00:10:06.540 writings it was important to him that they would rise at 5am they would break 114 00:10:06.540 --> 00:10:12.980 camp they would often go 10 miles and then they would stop for breakfast and 115 00:10:12.980 --> 00:10:20.300 then service they would have the reading of scripture and prayer and it was 116 00:10:20.300 --> 00:10:25.100 something that was and you know the terminology I don't but it was the the 117 00:10:25.100 --> 00:10:31.340 general order of the day and what people don't appreciate this today I don't 118 00:10:31.340 --> 00:10:39.460 think but you had to go the general said you go and you go and but so many times 119 00:10:39.460 --> 00:10:46.260 he would be devoted to prayer stopping for prayer there's that famous I 120 00:10:46.260 --> 00:10:51.060 haven't in my office there's that there's that famous Freiburg Painting where 121 00:10:51.060 --> 00:10:56.380 Washington there at Valley forges on his knee yes praying and not only do we 122 00:10:56.380 --> 00:11:02.420 know that that took place but there's a man spying on Washington who witnessed 123 00:11:02.420 --> 00:11:06.940 not only him praying but that prayer was written down it was actually written 124 00:11:06.940 --> 00:11:10.940 down by the man who heard that prayer but that was Washington praying and 125 00:11:10.940 --> 00:11:15.700 private for the welfare of his troops so the qualifications come from none other 126 00:11:15.700 --> 00:11:23.180 than our own general Washington and first president so listen the difference 127 00:11:23.180 --> 00:11:28.540 between a civilian and yeah definitely the difference between a civilian I 128 00:11:28.540 --> 00:11:33.660 mean we do a lot of the same things I mean the the emphasis of a of a 129 00:11:33.660 --> 00:11:40.300 chaplain is built on relationships and so just like a police chaplain or a fire 130 00:11:40.300 --> 00:11:46.460 chaplain they are there in the station they're there on ridealongs with them to 131 00:11:46.460 --> 00:11:51.020 build that relationship with those police officers with those firefighters so 132 00:11:51.020 --> 00:11:55.220 that when something happens there there's not a stranger that they have to go to 133 00:11:55.220 --> 00:11:59.100 they're gonna go to you know Mike or they're gonna go to Jason or they're 134 00:11:59.100 --> 00:12:05.220 gonna go to whoever they know and trust with this information but those 135 00:12:05.220 --> 00:12:08.740 people are able to go home at night and into a civilian world and they may be 136 00:12:08.740 --> 00:12:13.740 volunteers or may be paid and so they have other jobs that they do as a military 137 00:12:13.740 --> 00:12:18.140 chaplain we are commissioned officers so we go through an officer candidate 138 00:12:18.140 --> 00:12:23.340 school or some type of officer commissioning program and we are active duty 139 00:12:23.340 --> 00:12:28.340 service members or reserves as well and that's our life now yeah we we go 140 00:12:28.340 --> 00:12:32.700 where the army or the Air Force or the Navy tells us to go and that's where we 141 00:12:32.700 --> 00:12:38.660 go and we could go for two to three to to four years to a duty station and then 142 00:12:38.660 --> 00:12:43.020 we're done and we move to someplace else and then we're done there we move to 143 00:12:43.020 --> 00:12:48.420 someplace else and so that could be our career for the 20 to 38 plus years and 144 00:12:48.420 --> 00:12:53.620 and that's our life we're not just in one place anymore and so we live and eat 145 00:12:53.620 --> 00:13:00.220 and breathe with those service members either on a ship or battalion and we're 146 00:13:00.220 --> 00:13:04.380 deployed around the world you know if we're on a ship could be on the aircraft 147 00:13:04.380 --> 00:13:09.060 carry or on a destroyer and we're there for you know sometimes at six seven 148 00:13:09.060 --> 00:13:15.920 eight months that we're on deployments and so we experience when a deployment 149 00:13:15.920 --> 00:13:19.740 and this goes for the Army too especially when Iraq and Afghanistan where 150 00:13:19.740 --> 00:13:24.100 they would be at extended month by month by month and so there's only supposed 151 00:13:24.100 --> 00:13:27.460 to be gone for six months and then all of a sudden they're they're gone for 152 00:13:27.460 --> 00:13:31.220 seven months and eight months and up to a year time frame that they're that 153 00:13:31.220 --> 00:13:35.660 they're gone and the chaplain is right there with them experiencing the same 154 00:13:35.660 --> 00:13:40.340 pain yes and hurt of not being able to go back to their family as just much as 155 00:13:40.340 --> 00:13:45.740 that private is wow and so we are you know what a picture we are members of the 156 00:13:45.740 --> 00:13:51.900 military what a powerful example because Christ did that he he left home and he 157 00:13:51.900 --> 00:13:56.580 was here right with us on deployment I see us Lewis put something in a 158 00:13:56.580 --> 00:14:01.860 mirror Christianity that we as believers have been deployed into enemy 159 00:14:01.860 --> 00:14:07.180 occupied territory is how he puts it but so did Jesus he came here for us and 160 00:14:07.180 --> 00:14:14.580 he's with us until the end for us in this modern day military that we're in how 161 00:14:14.580 --> 00:14:19.340 is the chaplaincy program viewed and I'm sorry I asked the question just 162 00:14:19.340 --> 00:14:24.380 because I've been tainted by recent rhetoric and and just the the atmosphere of 163 00:14:24.380 --> 00:14:32.980 politics does much does much politics invade the military chaplaincy world or are 164 00:14:32.980 --> 00:14:38.140 you somewhat we're so much insulated somewhat isolated from that I mean there's 165 00:14:38.140 --> 00:14:45.060 the the policies that you you hear about the DEI the pride stuff that is put 166 00:14:45.060 --> 00:14:48.420 out there by the military or by the the media and I think you've talked about 167 00:14:48.420 --> 00:14:54.180 that about how the media stirs up the pot a lot but you know down you know even 168 00:14:54.180 --> 00:15:00.460 as a captain and Navy captain it doesn't really kind of get down to us we 169 00:15:00.460 --> 00:15:07.260 don't see the the DEI stuff a lot that is talked about of that and yes the 170 00:15:07.260 --> 00:15:11.180 military celebrates pride month but there's other months that are celebrate 171 00:15:11.180 --> 00:15:18.540 too and as a chaplain we don't we are title 10 law states that we are to act 172 00:15:18.540 --> 00:15:23.660 and facilitate and provide according to our faith background so I don't have 173 00:15:23.660 --> 00:15:29.020 to do anything that is not in accordance with my faith tradition praise god and 174 00:15:29.020 --> 00:15:32.180 that's that's an effect right now that's an effect right now it's been effect for 175 00:15:32.180 --> 00:15:37.240 a long time it's nice that's actually written into title 10 I love it so when 176 00:15:37.240 --> 00:15:44.040 people say you know are there are there issues like yes but not really because 177 00:15:44.040 --> 00:15:48.320 you we see them but it's it's still not really affected to us so we can pray 178 00:15:48.320 --> 00:15:53.560 in Jesus name and not a problem do I do that all the time no I know my 179 00:15:53.560 --> 00:15:59.200 audience and there are other names for God that I like to use you know I and my 180 00:15:59.200 --> 00:16:03.400 prayers and you know in the in the name of our Almighty Creator and loving God 181 00:16:03.400 --> 00:16:09.000 amen yeah sometimes I'll use Jesus if if I know it's a specifically Christian 182 00:16:09.000 --> 00:16:14.480 person but I don't you know I don't feel like I have to end all my prayers yeah 183 00:16:14.480 --> 00:16:20.160 in specifically those words in Jesus name yeah agree and in that I don't know 184 00:16:20.160 --> 00:16:24.920 I'm sure you've thought about this but the audience needs to know that in your 185 00:16:24.920 --> 00:16:33.800 position you're in some ways you're very much like a Joseph or or a Joshua 186 00:16:33.800 --> 00:16:40.000 whereby you have been commissioned you are there but like with Joseph he's in a 187 00:16:40.000 --> 00:16:48.280 foreign environment Daniel Daniel Daniel Jeremiah where you need to proceed with 188 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:52.720 wisdom and you know some people and I get it some people get stuck in the in 189 00:16:52.720 --> 00:16:57.900 the groove of well you've got to you got to have a crusade on the ship it 190 00:16:57.900 --> 00:17:02.440 doesn't work that way friendship evangelism is something that is actually much 191 00:17:02.440 --> 00:17:08.160 more difficult to establish because you've got to allow those Marines or those 192 00:17:08.160 --> 00:17:14.200 sailors are those soldiers to see your life when they see you going up and down 193 00:17:14.200 --> 00:17:18.520 you know the hallways or wherever you're at they've got to see your life they 194 00:17:18.520 --> 00:17:23.620 got to see the consistency obviously they see your rank which is warrants 195 00:17:23.620 --> 00:17:30.340 salute to you but then they also see a set of crosses on you and so that 196 00:17:30.340 --> 00:17:35.060 builds the moment or that opens the door for the moment for them to come and say 197 00:17:35.060 --> 00:17:40.360 hey listen I just got a letter from my wife and she's got cancer yes or whatever 198 00:17:40.360 --> 00:17:46.880 you're very much not only a pastor on board or deployed but when we say 199 00:17:46.880 --> 00:17:53.000 chaplain it's I I know what the word means but for me when I hear it it's 200 00:17:53.000 --> 00:18:00.720 evangelist pastor caregiver counselor counselor come for her at so many things 201 00:18:00.720 --> 00:18:05.000 that's the work of the Holy Spirit because if if a young man comes to you and 202 00:18:05.000 --> 00:18:12.800 says Captain I know that you know I'm gonna be heading into wherever and I'm 203 00:18:12.800 --> 00:18:18.100 starting to think eternal thoughts can you help me you immediately turn 204 00:18:18.100 --> 00:18:23.520 into a theologian you're immediately an evangelist apologist as well they 205 00:18:23.520 --> 00:18:28.840 come to us with questions of you know evolution and creation and so we've got 206 00:18:28.840 --> 00:18:33.560 to we've got to know all of those things and be ready you know in season and 207 00:18:33.560 --> 00:18:37.280 out season to be able to give an answer for the hope that lies within us at 208 00:18:37.280 --> 00:18:41.880 any moment for anything that comes our way and a lot of that is a reliance on the 209 00:18:41.880 --> 00:18:46.880 Holy Spirit I mean it totally reliance on the Holy Spirit you know it is it 210 00:18:46.880 --> 00:18:53.280 is an incarnational ministry that that you know Jesus came in the flesh to us to 211 00:18:53.280 --> 00:18:59.160 preach the word and to save our souls and we are kind of that incarnation to 212 00:18:59.160 --> 00:19:04.880 them as well in bringing Jesus to them and where they're at one of the 213 00:19:04.880 --> 00:19:09.720 scriptures that I use a lot is Jesus when he was with the woman at the well you 214 00:19:09.720 --> 00:19:12.960 know we only have a little bit of a short story I think there's a lot more to 215 00:19:12.960 --> 00:19:17.760 the interaction that happened with Jesus and the woman of the well and Jesus 216 00:19:17.760 --> 00:19:23.520 built upon a conversation with her building up a relationship bantering back and 217 00:19:23.520 --> 00:19:29.600 forth before he kind of delivered the blow yes that really opened her eyes and 218 00:19:29.600 --> 00:19:33.240 that's what we do too is we we build that relationship with them we can ban 219 00:19:33.240 --> 00:19:36.800 her back and forth with them so they're like oh his is a real person they're 220 00:19:36.800 --> 00:19:41.200 not just you know blowing smoke yeah that that this is somebody that I can have 221 00:19:41.200 --> 00:19:45.520 fun with and if there's a problem like you just said I can go to that person a 222 00:19:45.520 --> 00:19:49.840 question or a struggle that I'm having in my life I've got to ask you this so 223 00:19:49.840 --> 00:19:56.280 curious about this does it ever happen where someone who out ranks you comes and 224 00:19:56.280 --> 00:20:03.480 consult you as a chaplain yeah absolutely yes yes so that wall that wall for that 225 00:20:03.480 --> 00:20:08.560 moment goes down and this guy or this gal can come and we we minister to 226 00:20:08.560 --> 00:20:11.960 everybody from the lowest just like it is with my life as a pastor it's 227 00:20:11.960 --> 00:20:17.280 confidential and actually thanks for bringing it up our confidentiality level 228 00:20:17.280 --> 00:20:23.400 is 100% and again that's in title 10 law that we cannot share anything with 229 00:20:23.400 --> 00:20:27.160 anybody without the express and we'll say written permission that's right from 230 00:20:27.160 --> 00:20:30.440 the person that we're we're going to so even if they say that they've murdered 231 00:20:30.440 --> 00:20:34.120 somebody that's right or that they you know assaulted somebody or that they 232 00:20:34.120 --> 00:20:39.080 want to kill themselves we cannot share that with anybody else except by 233 00:20:39.080 --> 00:20:47.080 that telling us truly clergy congregant protection as it as it frankly always 234 00:20:47.080 --> 00:20:52.520 has been but yeah that's that's got to be something when hypothetically the 235 00:20:52.520 --> 00:20:56.840 admiral happens to be on board and says hey I'm having I'm having problems in 236 00:20:56.840 --> 00:21:01.720 my marriage yes I mean that has got to be an incredible opportunity that God 237 00:21:01.720 --> 00:21:09.400 brings but also this regarding the requirements I want you before we went on 238 00:21:09.400 --> 00:21:14.680 before we started rolling the camera we were talking about the requirements for 239 00:21:14.680 --> 00:21:23.320 a military chaplain and it's amazing and yet I see the the brilliance to it 240 00:21:23.320 --> 00:21:29.960 because as I said in the opening chaplains in the continental army these 241 00:21:29.960 --> 00:21:35.080 guys were Yale and Harvard graduates they were equivalent to you know the 242 00:21:35.080 --> 00:21:40.440 officers the senior officers that were you know with them yeah so 243 00:21:40.440 --> 00:21:48.360 letter audience know begin and add and for this reason everybody what if you 244 00:21:48.360 --> 00:21:53.880 know somebody who qualifies or maybe you qualify we're going to make sure that 245 00:21:53.880 --> 00:21:58.280 at the end of this podcast that we have the links provided for you to find out 246 00:21:58.280 --> 00:22:05.480 more but captain tell us tell us where does somebody begin what do they need to be 247 00:22:05.480 --> 00:22:10.360 so there's four basic things that the somebody needs and so that's a 248 00:22:10.360 --> 00:22:14.440 a bachelor's degree and a bachelor's can be degree can be in anything 249 00:22:14.680 --> 00:22:19.000 you know the Marine Coral like to say I've got my bachelor's degree in underwater 250 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:25.480 basket weaving so it could be in anything so it could be a very very simple 251 00:22:25.480 --> 00:22:30.040 bachelor's degree but then you need to have a masters and 72 hours of 252 00:22:30.040 --> 00:22:34.600 theological coursework but for Christians they want you to have a 253 00:22:34.600 --> 00:22:39.800 master's of divinity and that can take a while so those are the two educational 254 00:22:39.800 --> 00:22:44.680 requirements that folks need to have and then for the church requirement is 255 00:22:44.680 --> 00:22:51.560 ordination that be an ordained pastor within their local congregation 256 00:22:51.560 --> 00:22:55.800 and then the endorsement and that's where we come into play to be able to 257 00:22:55.800 --> 00:23:00.760 give them that endorsement and the endorsement is the endorsing agency is the 258 00:23:00.760 --> 00:23:05.960 bridge between the local church or the church organization and the government 259 00:23:05.960 --> 00:23:10.040 the endorser is somebody who the government said we trust you 260 00:23:10.040 --> 00:23:13.800 to be able to find us qualified religious ministry professionals 261 00:23:13.800 --> 00:23:17.160 that have the bachelor's degree that have their master's degree 262 00:23:17.160 --> 00:23:22.520 and they are ordained and they have the requisite number of years as a pastor 263 00:23:22.520 --> 00:23:29.320 to be able to become and be commissioned as a naval or army or air force officer 264 00:23:29.320 --> 00:23:33.800 and become a chaplain and and so that's what the endorsers do 265 00:23:33.800 --> 00:23:37.320 so this is this is the request of the DOD 266 00:23:37.320 --> 00:23:42.840 this is a request of the DOD this is to a ordinate or a 267 00:23:42.840 --> 00:23:47.240 a ministry that's qualified to ordain for example 268 00:23:47.240 --> 00:23:52.040 cover chapel but the beauty of it i love this kind of stuff the beauty is 269 00:23:52.040 --> 00:23:56.040 it's the department of defense i'm going somewhere with this a little bit of 270 00:23:56.040 --> 00:24:01.240 apologetic it's the department of defense a division of the united states 271 00:24:01.320 --> 00:24:06.680 government that is looking to a church you know where i'm going 272 00:24:06.680 --> 00:24:12.200 to supply the department of defense qualified top 273 00:24:12.200 --> 00:24:18.040 shelf people which is so consistent with our nation's history 274 00:24:18.040 --> 00:24:23.800 and not the rhetoric of the day where is there's a separation of church and 275 00:24:23.800 --> 00:24:28.360 state we don't the two never mix there's i can't find an area where they 276 00:24:28.680 --> 00:24:32.040 were separated for for example you mentioned you mentioned 277 00:24:32.040 --> 00:24:36.520 my prayer in congress i was invited by a congressman to pray 278 00:24:36.520 --> 00:24:42.440 that's the requirements i had to check in with the capital 279 00:24:42.440 --> 00:24:48.520 chaplain why because there is no separation well the separation frankly 280 00:24:48.520 --> 00:24:52.520 everybody the separation the separation is that government will not get 281 00:24:52.520 --> 00:24:56.280 involved in the operation and the conduct of 282 00:24:56.280 --> 00:25:00.760 faith in america that's an extremely important thing regarding our first 283 00:25:00.760 --> 00:25:03.720 amendment but i i just i just love this because 284 00:25:03.720 --> 00:25:07.960 people can chatter all they want about their theory or their feelings but 285 00:25:07.960 --> 00:25:14.200 when when life hits people reach deep they they look for foundations 286 00:25:14.200 --> 00:25:19.640 and we've got such an illustrious history as a as a nation 287 00:25:19.640 --> 00:25:25.400 with chaplains and faith that it's refreshing to hear that the DOD 288 00:25:25.400 --> 00:25:30.920 once once the best they do and uh again you know it it goes back to law 289 00:25:30.920 --> 00:25:34.280 the constitution i mean the first amendment is uh 290 00:25:34.280 --> 00:25:38.280 talks about the the freedom of religion and which you just eloquently said it's not 291 00:25:38.280 --> 00:25:42.600 from not from four four four the freedom of of religion 292 00:25:42.600 --> 00:25:47.160 and and chaplains are specifically requested by the by the government by the 293 00:25:47.160 --> 00:25:52.760 military to go and be those providers of of that freedom of religion so i mean 294 00:25:52.760 --> 00:25:56.760 we do have uh pastors and priests and ministers 295 00:25:56.760 --> 00:26:01.000 we have imams uh Muslim imams we have Jewish rabbis 296 00:26:01.000 --> 00:26:05.960 we have Buddhist priests uh on on i do and what are their requirements because 297 00:26:05.960 --> 00:26:11.160 i understand the christian side if you get a doctorate in divinity or you need 298 00:26:11.160 --> 00:26:15.640 so much of theology for example in imam i guess there's a 299 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:20.120 requirement sheet for those guys right it's the same thing basically it's the 300 00:26:21.080 --> 00:26:24.360 they have to have a bachelor's they have to have uh 72 hours of 301 00:26:24.360 --> 00:26:29.880 theological coursework um yes they have to be uh endorsed by their Muslim 302 00:26:29.880 --> 00:26:33.800 endorsing agency and they have to be you know whatever their religious 303 00:26:33.800 --> 00:26:37.160 qualification is we call it ordination sure 304 00:26:37.160 --> 00:26:40.840 whatever their religious qualification is they have to have that from their 305 00:26:40.840 --> 00:26:45.800 mosque or their religious system of worship yeah so it's it's no different 306 00:26:46.760 --> 00:26:50.040 those religious organizations to christian organizations we all have to have 307 00:26:50.040 --> 00:26:53.960 the same requirements uh to come into the military to be able to provide 308 00:26:53.960 --> 00:26:57.640 and you know we provide for our own we provide for christians 309 00:26:57.640 --> 00:27:01.320 but we facilitate for everybody else yeah and a lot of times people ask us 310 00:27:01.320 --> 00:27:05.960 how can you facilitate for a Muslim or how can you facilitate for a Buddhist 311 00:27:05.960 --> 00:27:09.400 or even Catholic you know how can you facilitate that's that's not us doing it 312 00:27:09.400 --> 00:27:13.640 that is us getting them in contact giving them opportunity giving them 313 00:27:14.120 --> 00:27:19.160 this is the allow me to interrupt this is the this is the first of all 314 00:27:19.160 --> 00:27:25.320 we don't live in a perfect world that's what heavens for 315 00:27:25.320 --> 00:27:29.880 but i love the security of the security of our founding fathers when they 316 00:27:29.880 --> 00:27:33.960 drew up the declaration of independence and the constitution and the bill of 317 00:27:33.960 --> 00:27:41.320 rights they could have said everybody's got to be a christian 318 00:27:41.320 --> 00:27:44.760 they could have each of them from their own by the way they were 319 00:27:44.760 --> 00:27:47.880 congregationalists they were in a Baptist they were 320 00:27:47.880 --> 00:27:53.160 Lutherans they were they could have each fought from their corner and said 321 00:27:53.160 --> 00:27:56.840 everyone's got to convert to be in a Lutheran before they can but 322 00:27:56.840 --> 00:28:02.840 nope they were so secure in coming to the foundations of their 323 00:28:02.840 --> 00:28:09.320 belief of the bible that they left alone the peripherals now don't think 324 00:28:09.320 --> 00:28:14.840 i'm not equating Christianity and and Islam as a peripheral issue i'm not 325 00:28:14.840 --> 00:28:20.120 saying that what i am saying is this that our founders were so secure 326 00:28:20.120 --> 00:28:24.440 that they gave us a government where everyone has the same rights 327 00:28:24.440 --> 00:28:27.880 this is remarkable because you don't have this in india you don't have this 328 00:28:27.880 --> 00:28:30.440 in any other parts of the world they're in other governments 329 00:28:30.440 --> 00:28:33.960 where our nation our founders were so secure 330 00:28:34.040 --> 00:28:36.920 in the fact that god 331 00:28:36.920 --> 00:28:41.000 Thomas Jefferson said the god of natural law 332 00:28:41.000 --> 00:28:44.440 where there's certain things written down within man that you cannot 333 00:28:44.440 --> 00:28:49.320 you can't legislate those things out man will speak for 334 00:28:49.320 --> 00:28:55.480 amendment and man will defend himself it's it's natural law second amendment 335 00:28:55.480 --> 00:29:00.200 but i love how secure they were in the founding of this nation and its laws 336 00:29:00.200 --> 00:29:04.200 that even the atheist has the exact same rights as the christian 337 00:29:04.200 --> 00:29:08.920 or the muslim or the jew isn't that radical that is awesome 338 00:29:08.920 --> 00:29:11.960 he said are you endorsed in islam of course not 339 00:29:11.960 --> 00:29:17.960 but in america the muslim has the freedom to preach his islam 340 00:29:17.960 --> 00:29:21.800 you see i don't like that well then preach Christianity but he gets to preach 341 00:29:21.800 --> 00:29:26.520 his islam do i believe in islam not at all but i do believe in his freedom to 342 00:29:26.520 --> 00:29:31.960 preach it only an american yes can can fight i can go to war 343 00:29:31.960 --> 00:29:37.720 and fight for the jews ability to to preach Judaism in the muslim 344 00:29:37.720 --> 00:29:42.760 or the atheist that's it's just such an amazing experiment that god has given us 345 00:29:42.760 --> 00:29:46.120 in this country but i want you to i want you to i think i'm going to 346 00:29:46.120 --> 00:29:49.960 repute you somewhere about the requirements or did you get them all out i 347 00:29:49.960 --> 00:29:52.920 think we got them all out but i when i didn't get out with the the chaplain 348 00:29:52.920 --> 00:29:57.480 candidate program yes as well so so that's to become a a chaplain 349 00:29:57.480 --> 00:30:01.480 so maybe you're not there yet but this is interesting to you this is 350 00:30:01.480 --> 00:30:05.480 interesting to you and you're like i'm interested in becoming a chaplain 351 00:30:05.480 --> 00:30:09.480 but i don't have any of those things where do i start nice and so the the place 352 00:30:09.480 --> 00:30:14.680 where you start is you know reaching out to us and we will help you 353 00:30:14.680 --> 00:30:20.200 on your path to become a chaplain it can be a long process 354 00:30:20.200 --> 00:30:24.840 when i left active duty in 1996 the marine core 355 00:30:24.840 --> 00:30:27.160 i thought it was going to take me because i didn't have anything i didn't have 356 00:30:27.160 --> 00:30:31.000 a bachelor's degree i have a master's degree i wasn't ordained and what is 357 00:30:31.000 --> 00:30:35.800 this endorsement thing not a clue yeah and so i thought it was going to take me 358 00:30:35.800 --> 00:30:39.720 you know four years for a bachelor's three years for a master's degree it's 90 359 00:30:39.720 --> 00:30:43.400 hours and then two years of pastoral experience 360 00:30:43.400 --> 00:30:48.440 that's up to nine years god god is so good 361 00:30:48.440 --> 00:30:52.840 i completed in about five and a half that nine year process 362 00:30:52.840 --> 00:30:57.560 because of everything every door that he opened to me was just incredible so 363 00:30:57.560 --> 00:31:00.840 you know people who know me like you did what and how long 364 00:31:00.840 --> 00:31:03.560 like it's god yes absolutely totally god 365 00:31:03.560 --> 00:31:07.560 so it's there is a process to it but if god is calling you do it 366 00:31:07.560 --> 00:31:11.320 he will get you through it amen and as pastor Chuck you say if it's god's will 367 00:31:11.320 --> 00:31:15.080 it's god's bill yeah that's right that's good that's good that was the my 368 00:31:15.080 --> 00:31:19.000 motto going through through school so the chaplain candidate program 369 00:31:19.000 --> 00:31:23.160 you can start anywhere you know you know we have to reach out to us 370 00:31:23.160 --> 00:31:27.160 get started in your bachelor's degree work with your local church 371 00:31:27.160 --> 00:31:31.480 on becoming a part of the leadership and going through their training 372 00:31:31.480 --> 00:31:35.080 program that would lead up to ordination 373 00:31:35.080 --> 00:31:38.520 and then once you've completed your bachelor's and you get into your master's 374 00:31:38.520 --> 00:31:42.920 degree that's when you can submit for the actual chaplain candidate program 375 00:31:42.920 --> 00:31:46.360 and at that time all three services the army navy 376 00:31:46.360 --> 00:31:49.640 in the air force have chaplain candidate programs and you can become 377 00:31:49.640 --> 00:31:54.200 commissioned as a reserve officer in the military 378 00:31:54.200 --> 00:31:58.920 and go through your master's program and they'll send you through the chaplain 379 00:31:58.920 --> 00:32:03.240 school of that service and you get paid military pay 380 00:32:03.240 --> 00:32:07.720 for going off to that chaplain school excellent and you begin to accumulate 381 00:32:07.720 --> 00:32:12.840 points for retirement and you're an inactive reserve officer 382 00:32:12.840 --> 00:32:17.880 at that point and then once you complete your master's divinity 383 00:32:17.880 --> 00:32:23.560 and you complete your your nation that's when you would come to us again 384 00:32:23.560 --> 00:32:26.840 of course we're going to keep in contact with folks all the time 385 00:32:26.840 --> 00:32:30.200 now see where you're at how things go on do you need anything help 386 00:32:30.200 --> 00:32:34.200 and then you can submit for endorsement to on to active duty for your 387 00:32:34.200 --> 00:32:38.680 initial three years yeah so give us a day in the life 388 00:32:38.680 --> 00:32:45.320 of a navy chaplain that would be kind of hard 389 00:32:45.320 --> 00:32:48.280 I'll give you the general sense because we've got chaplains with the navy 390 00:32:48.280 --> 00:32:53.320 seals we've got chaplains on ships we've got chaplains so when we deploy 391 00:32:53.320 --> 00:32:56.680 some seals there's a chaplain with them or there's a chaplain that says goodbye 392 00:32:56.680 --> 00:32:59.800 to them as they go off somewhere there's a chaplain that's with them they 393 00:32:59.800 --> 00:33:02.760 now they don't kick down the doors that's not our job 394 00:33:02.760 --> 00:33:06.040 and we are non-combatants yeah that's something we need to talk about off camera 395 00:33:06.120 --> 00:33:09.800 I've always wanted a voice that's the part that stumbles me 396 00:33:09.800 --> 00:33:14.120 I hope I don't I'm going to I'm just going to be honest 397 00:33:14.120 --> 00:33:18.280 everything you're telling me sounds fantastic but from what I remember is 398 00:33:18.280 --> 00:33:22.120 chaplains don't they're not armed correct we are not combatants that's 399 00:33:22.120 --> 00:33:26.680 that's the problem I have I mean if I'm going to go I mean 400 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:32.600 David had a sword man it's kind of like kind of like Jonathan and his and his 401 00:33:32.600 --> 00:33:36.440 servant his armor bearer and so we have armor bearers 402 00:33:36.440 --> 00:33:39.800 that you know even though Jonathan you know he's the one that kicked 403 00:33:39.800 --> 00:33:44.120 bud we can't do that and we're not going to be like for the most part we're 404 00:33:44.120 --> 00:33:48.200 not going to be put in those situations but we have a 405 00:33:48.200 --> 00:33:51.800 religious affairs specialist or religious program specialists 406 00:33:51.800 --> 00:33:55.800 that is our you know you take the church staff and you roll it up in one 407 00:33:55.800 --> 00:33:59.560 person that's our one person yeah and so they set up for services 408 00:33:59.560 --> 00:34:03.160 they you know we'll do the bulletins they do set up for services I think I 409 00:34:03.160 --> 00:34:06.600 said that already they're the administrative support but they're also our 410 00:34:06.600 --> 00:34:11.240 bodyguards and so they're the ones that carry the the weapons 411 00:34:11.240 --> 00:34:16.280 but but does the chaplain still go through all the rigors though of being a 412 00:34:16.280 --> 00:34:20.440 sailor or a marine you got to do the same physical stuff 413 00:34:20.440 --> 00:34:24.360 absolutely yes we don't go through their boot camp we go through officer 414 00:34:24.360 --> 00:34:28.760 commissioning school but it's still we've got you know for the for the navy 415 00:34:28.760 --> 00:34:32.440 we still have Marine Corps enlisted folks yes that will take us through our 416 00:34:32.440 --> 00:34:36.200 paces you okay you know so it's not just you know knife and fork 417 00:34:36.200 --> 00:34:39.000 school as they say yeah you're going to get the physical training 418 00:34:39.000 --> 00:34:42.200 and then once you get out what we call out to the fleet yeah 419 00:34:42.200 --> 00:34:46.200 then you better be training with your unit yeah you are like we say we're 420 00:34:46.200 --> 00:34:49.080 it's incernational if they're going through the mud you're going through the 421 00:34:49.080 --> 00:34:53.480 mud if they're you know jump it out of out of planes 422 00:34:53.480 --> 00:34:57.560 it's it would be who view to to get your qualifications jump out of planes too 423 00:34:57.560 --> 00:35:01.640 wow it's amazing so yes all the training we we should be doing all those 424 00:35:01.640 --> 00:35:05.160 things that they are doing there must be I'm guessing there must be an 425 00:35:05.160 --> 00:35:09.880 incredible level of respect by these other marines or sailors who look at this 426 00:35:09.880 --> 00:35:14.840 guy and he's committed a hundred percent like you are 427 00:35:14.840 --> 00:35:21.640 and he's going with you into battle but he's there for your spiritual welfare 428 00:35:21.640 --> 00:35:26.120 and at least you have equipment to protect yourself with 429 00:35:26.120 --> 00:35:31.800 this guy's leaning on God hey man yes yes I mean it's got to be an incredibly 430 00:35:31.800 --> 00:35:37.880 moving fixture to have that individual near you or with you 431 00:35:37.880 --> 00:35:42.680 I would be so absolutely and it's it's credibility we know we would we'd 432 00:35:42.680 --> 00:35:46.920 call building building cred you build cred credibility 433 00:35:46.920 --> 00:35:50.680 by doing those things that everybody else is doing if they're in pain you 434 00:35:50.680 --> 00:35:55.000 should be in pain if they're rejoicing you know as Paul says you know rejoice 435 00:35:55.000 --> 00:35:58.600 with those rejoice and and we've with those who we 436 00:35:58.600 --> 00:36:01.720 we should be right there with them them seeing us like 437 00:36:01.720 --> 00:36:06.440 chap you you're doing this like I'm doing this absolutely you know 438 00:36:06.440 --> 00:36:11.080 are there any other nations that have a military uh 439 00:36:11.080 --> 00:36:15.320 process like this the same as the US do the brits or the Israeli 440 00:36:15.320 --> 00:36:20.120 yes I mean the brits have a lot of uh countries do have chaplaincy 441 00:36:20.120 --> 00:36:24.280 and uh different you know variations of of the same thing 442 00:36:24.280 --> 00:36:27.240 the Philippines has chaplaincy Australia New Zealand 443 00:36:27.240 --> 00:36:32.840 Israel has has chaplaincy you know it's rabbis um but uh but they do have 444 00:36:32.840 --> 00:36:36.680 called religious ministry professionals okay that uh that are 445 00:36:36.680 --> 00:36:40.920 brought into the military to support their military members so yes the 446 00:36:40.920 --> 00:36:45.800 United States is not alone and in fact I've heard that um Ukraine is now 447 00:36:45.800 --> 00:36:51.880 asking for our support um and actually that's through um how um to create a 448 00:36:51.880 --> 00:36:57.160 chaplaincy themselves so West Bentley's organization okay uh has been 449 00:36:57.160 --> 00:37:02.680 asked to go over there and provide uh help yeah I think Uganda he does 450 00:37:02.680 --> 00:37:06.520 Uganda as well so there's a lot of countries that are out there that have 451 00:37:06.520 --> 00:37:13.960 chaplaincies um that provide you know that that spiritual if I can use that 452 00:37:13.960 --> 00:37:21.000 term um fitness uh for their uh for their the soldiers and service members 453 00:37:21.000 --> 00:37:28.760 I was uh just kind of interesting now I'm trying to put some pieces together so 454 00:37:28.760 --> 00:37:35.800 I was in uh I was in DC and um it was just 455 00:37:35.800 --> 00:37:39.080 table talk no microphones no cameras there's a there's a there's a handful of 456 00:37:39.080 --> 00:37:43.960 guys army there's some army guys around there's some reans 457 00:37:43.960 --> 00:37:48.600 around and um they got going now I'm just listening 458 00:37:48.600 --> 00:37:54.440 and uh what you're telling me and what the the word that popped in my head was 459 00:37:54.440 --> 00:38:01.880 this camaraderie this this life unit where this one uh delta force guide began 460 00:38:01.880 --> 00:38:06.840 to talk about what had happened to them they were in the jungles of central 461 00:38:06.840 --> 00:38:12.040 america actually at the time and there was one of the one of the 462 00:38:12.040 --> 00:38:18.200 rangers or one of the delta uh was wounded needed blood 463 00:38:18.200 --> 00:38:25.880 and I was impressed because for them to keep that guy alive until 464 00:38:25.880 --> 00:38:29.880 help could come and maybe you know what this is called he said it I don't 465 00:38:29.880 --> 00:38:37.880 remember but they had they they they zipped open this uh sterilized packet 466 00:38:37.880 --> 00:38:42.920 they stuck a needle in his arm right of course they they've got the bleeding 467 00:38:42.920 --> 00:38:49.800 under control the much as they could and his his fellow soldiers stood 468 00:38:49.800 --> 00:38:54.760 around him as he's laying on the ground and they each had 469 00:38:54.840 --> 00:39:00.280 they each had their needle this is my mixture but they took their blood 470 00:39:00.280 --> 00:39:06.760 because they're standing up the elevation the height they're pumping their blood 471 00:39:06.760 --> 00:39:11.640 into him and they went around and they did that to him until help could 472 00:39:11.640 --> 00:39:17.000 arrive yes and I was so impressed because they were talking about oh 473 00:39:17.000 --> 00:39:21.320 remember this oh remember when when we did that 474 00:39:21.320 --> 00:39:29.560 and I just thought how much should the church hear that kind of talk 475 00:39:29.560 --> 00:39:34.040 when you talk about laying down your life for your brother each of these 476 00:39:34.040 --> 00:39:40.120 delta they were doing that by giving their own blood and I just thought my 477 00:39:40.120 --> 00:39:43.080 goodness that's just absolutely powerful and who's to say it wasn't mentioned 478 00:39:43.080 --> 00:39:47.400 but who's to say if there wasn't a chaplain in that circle 479 00:39:47.400 --> 00:39:51.000 giving blood on the spot to keep somebody alive 480 00:39:51.000 --> 00:39:58.040 absolutely amazing so I'm curious in modern day news right now with what's 481 00:39:58.040 --> 00:40:02.200 going on supposedly right Israel there's a very famous British 482 00:40:02.200 --> 00:40:06.840 general who has a I think he's on a Prager U five-minute video about 483 00:40:06.840 --> 00:40:11.640 Israel's morality as a military that it's the most moral 484 00:40:11.640 --> 00:40:16.040 military on the planet now look I'm all for Israel but I'm thinking I mean 485 00:40:16.040 --> 00:40:20.760 you mean second to America right second to America but of course 486 00:40:20.760 --> 00:40:24.920 can you speak a little bit and I have to tell you Captain I'm going somewhere 487 00:40:24.920 --> 00:40:33.240 with this can you speak into the morality of the US Armed Forces 488 00:40:33.240 --> 00:40:38.520 who are we as a airman or a sailor or a soldier 489 00:40:38.520 --> 00:40:42.440 what who is that individual military context 490 00:40:42.440 --> 00:40:47.720 the morality that they've been taught before they're deployed 491 00:40:47.720 --> 00:40:55.000 kind of a tough question how can I answer this so 492 00:40:55.000 --> 00:41:01.720 we are working with society society is where we get 493 00:41:01.720 --> 00:41:05.800 our men and women that then go through boot camp and 494 00:41:05.800 --> 00:41:10.120 are then hate to even use this word but transitioned 495 00:41:10.120 --> 00:41:14.520 from a civilian mindset to a a military mindset 496 00:41:14.520 --> 00:41:17.400 and so that's where they get to know the service 497 00:41:17.400 --> 00:41:23.560 and the values of the service and you know in the service you know it's 498 00:41:23.560 --> 00:41:27.800 it is about honor courage and commitment but those can be also vague words 499 00:41:27.800 --> 00:41:32.280 in themselves what does that mean and so to be able to take them and to get 500 00:41:32.280 --> 00:41:35.960 them to understand what that means from a military context 501 00:41:35.960 --> 00:41:41.320 and then how do you take that and live that out in your life 502 00:41:41.320 --> 00:41:46.760 both before deployment and while during deployment 503 00:41:46.760 --> 00:41:50.760 and so that's where chaplains you know are a great place because we are 504 00:41:50.760 --> 00:41:56.680 you know not just religious but we are moral and ethical and we try to instill 505 00:41:56.680 --> 00:42:00.920 or or build upon that ethics and that moral 506 00:42:00.920 --> 00:42:06.040 that was established with them in boot camp now that that that morality 507 00:42:06.040 --> 00:42:10.040 unless they went to church in boot camp is just a 508 00:42:10.040 --> 00:42:15.880 military moral sense it's kind of like ethics ethics has been taken over by 509 00:42:15.880 --> 00:42:20.040 the legal system yeah and this is what is legally ethical to do 510 00:42:20.040 --> 00:42:25.240 and so you can do all of this but really is it you know 511 00:42:25.240 --> 00:42:30.520 morally ethical to do as well so isn't that something 512 00:42:30.520 --> 00:42:33.960 we are we are there's still a struggle going on to be able to get them to 513 00:42:33.960 --> 00:42:38.440 understand that it's more than just the legal you can do this 514 00:42:38.440 --> 00:42:43.320 yeah to there's a higher law that we are to live by not just the the legal 515 00:42:43.320 --> 00:42:48.680 stuff but there's a higher moral yeah ethics that we should be living by 516 00:42:48.680 --> 00:42:51.160 well it's fascinating because I bring it up because 517 00:42:51.160 --> 00:42:57.560 Israel in the US Great Britain you can be battling it out with your enemy 518 00:42:57.560 --> 00:43:02.920 and uh you got him uh but rather than you know he's 519 00:43:02.920 --> 00:43:08.440 he's laying there wounded uh rather than walk up and and put a 40 520 00:43:08.440 --> 00:43:13.320 45 in his head uh we call we call for a medic yes for the enemy 521 00:43:13.320 --> 00:43:17.800 for the the the moment that you shot him and he's not dead you turn from 522 00:43:17.800 --> 00:43:23.000 combat to friend is that amazing it i mean we are really the only ones that do 523 00:43:23.000 --> 00:43:26.840 that now we're going down to path this gets me excited to me 524 00:43:27.240 --> 00:43:33.720 that is a display of the nature of God hear me out 525 00:43:33.720 --> 00:43:39.000 we're all against uh we all look for the day that peace comes and there's no more 526 00:43:39.000 --> 00:43:45.080 wars that's when Jesus Christ returns in the meantime 527 00:43:45.080 --> 00:43:50.600 we are to be equipping our military to be the very best at what they do 528 00:43:50.600 --> 00:43:53.640 and I want to make this really clear this is something that's very very 529 00:43:53.640 --> 00:43:56.680 passionate in my heart and I don't think it gets set 530 00:43:56.680 --> 00:44:01.560 enough um and that is we train our soldiers 531 00:44:01.560 --> 00:44:05.800 our our military to be the best of what they do to be effective 532 00:44:05.800 --> 00:44:09.560 to be efficient at it and to get the job done 533 00:44:09.560 --> 00:44:14.360 absolutely mission complete and then come on home that mission complete 534 00:44:14.360 --> 00:44:18.360 often deals with the absolute eradication of the enemy 535 00:44:18.600 --> 00:44:25.160 the complete destruction of whatever is necessary to stop the war 536 00:44:25.160 --> 00:44:30.120 and we're talking about morality where we train 537 00:44:30.120 --> 00:44:37.240 we train our military to be lethal listen we train them to be killers 538 00:44:37.240 --> 00:44:44.440 we're supposed to because in war people are killed 539 00:44:44.440 --> 00:44:48.280 because we don't often think about that we've got people who for example 540 00:44:48.440 --> 00:44:52.520 ignorantly remember this happened during the Vietnam era 541 00:44:52.520 --> 00:44:56.200 we train these kids to go kill they're supposed to 542 00:44:56.200 --> 00:45:00.280 then they came home and they were labeled murders and that 543 00:45:00.280 --> 00:45:04.360 now I was young but that caused my blood to boil 544 00:45:04.360 --> 00:45:07.720 and it still causes it to boil in this day and age still 545 00:45:07.720 --> 00:45:13.480 when if today somebody were to say uh I'm an Iraqi veteran 546 00:45:13.480 --> 00:45:16.920 oh you mean you're a murderer that just that's look 547 00:45:16.920 --> 00:45:20.680 that really test my Christian my Christian and witness because 548 00:45:20.680 --> 00:45:24.920 there's nothing wrong in fact I think there's everything righteous 549 00:45:24.920 --> 00:45:30.200 righteous in training the soldier to prosecute warfare 550 00:45:30.200 --> 00:45:35.240 ethically to the fullest and if that's killing the opponent 551 00:45:35.240 --> 00:45:39.080 this is the theater of war which god has sanctioned 552 00:45:39.080 --> 00:45:42.680 don't ever confuse I know he doesn't people don't ever confuse the 553 00:45:42.680 --> 00:45:45.400 Ten Commandments and thou shalt not murder 554 00:45:45.400 --> 00:45:50.680 listen with thou shalt not kill there are versions of in English 555 00:45:50.680 --> 00:45:54.600 the Ten Commandments out there that says thou shalt not kill the Bible never 556 00:45:54.600 --> 00:45:58.680 says thou shalt not kill the Bible says you shalt not murder 557 00:45:58.680 --> 00:46:01.880 it's actually the Ten Commandments that sanctions 558 00:46:01.880 --> 00:46:06.200 by using the word murder sanctions war the god of the Bible sanctions war you 559 00:46:06.200 --> 00:46:11.320 say how terrible is that no excuse me how practical is that 560 00:46:11.320 --> 00:46:15.400 because god knows that wars will not cease until he returns 561 00:46:15.400 --> 00:46:21.080 and so if you're being invaded it is a godly thing to defend your borders 562 00:46:21.080 --> 00:46:24.520 it's a godly thing to defend your family 563 00:46:24.520 --> 00:46:27.640 god expects you to do that so some people who have a 564 00:46:27.640 --> 00:46:31.560 I don't know what you call it a theoretical view of what peace looks like or 565 00:46:31.560 --> 00:46:36.680 what war shouldn't be like um they miss they miss the the the whole thing that 566 00:46:36.680 --> 00:46:40.120 god says in the Bible if you do not provide for your 567 00:46:40.120 --> 00:46:42.520 family you're worse than a non-believer 568 00:46:42.520 --> 00:46:46.840 and because we live in the affluent west at west we're so stupid in thinking 569 00:46:46.840 --> 00:46:50.760 well I provide for my family I bring them a check every week 570 00:46:50.760 --> 00:46:54.440 that's not what he's talking about that's that's that's a given 571 00:46:54.440 --> 00:46:58.760 if somebody comes to your front door with the machete or a shotgun to take 572 00:46:58.760 --> 00:47:02.680 your family the Bible says they're from that verse 573 00:47:02.680 --> 00:47:06.280 if you do not provide for your family you're worse than a non-believer 574 00:47:06.280 --> 00:47:10.680 that guy's to be taken out oh I don't believe in that brother I believe in 575 00:47:10.680 --> 00:47:15.000 being passive and you're going to let this person 576 00:47:15.000 --> 00:47:19.960 destroy your children and rape your wife that's there's nothing godly about 577 00:47:19.960 --> 00:47:24.680 that so as a culture how do oh you know how do you justify this 578 00:47:24.680 --> 00:47:30.120 wait wait wait wait Jesus Christ himself is the king of kings and lord of 579 00:47:30.120 --> 00:47:33.640 lords the bible says that when he returns 580 00:47:33.640 --> 00:47:39.000 israel's going to say where did you get these robes that are splattered in blood 581 00:47:39.000 --> 00:47:43.800 and he says these robes that are splattered in blood 582 00:47:43.800 --> 00:47:47.880 I received alone by myself there was none to help me 583 00:47:47.880 --> 00:47:54.040 as I tread out the wine press of the fierceness of the wrath of almighty god 584 00:47:54.040 --> 00:48:00.360 Exodus 15 verse 3 I believe it is says the Lord is his name the Lord is a warrior 585 00:48:00.360 --> 00:48:03.320 that shocks people who have this passive 586 00:48:03.320 --> 00:48:07.240 new port beach version of Jesus that he just goes surfing and then 587 00:48:07.240 --> 00:48:12.280 feeds people there's there's this thing to righteousness 588 00:48:12.280 --> 00:48:17.480 that until christ returns is found tragically in this thing called war 589 00:48:17.480 --> 00:48:23.480 it's hard for us it is and you know it's it's a struggle that we have to go to 590 00:48:23.480 --> 00:48:26.280 war at times because there is evil in the world 591 00:48:26.280 --> 00:48:32.920 and you can't just let evil do its thing and rampage across the the world 592 00:48:32.920 --> 00:48:36.920 and not do anything right he like you said he's established government for 593 00:48:36.920 --> 00:48:40.840 righteousness and you know when there is unrighteousness 594 00:48:40.840 --> 00:48:45.080 then the government has to take action talk about morality within 595 00:48:45.080 --> 00:48:50.440 you know the us british and and israel you know we we go and definitely 596 00:48:50.440 --> 00:48:54.920 israel in this current war goes above and beyond 597 00:48:55.000 --> 00:48:59.080 trying to make sure that the accuracy of you know the information that they're 598 00:48:59.080 --> 00:49:02.280 receiving and the accuracy of their targeting 599 00:49:02.280 --> 00:49:08.280 and and then you know the actual implementation of the the weapons is 600 00:49:08.280 --> 00:49:12.680 spot on yes and that's why it's important to have you know the precision guided 601 00:49:12.680 --> 00:49:17.000 weapons that that can do that when they are hiding within 602 00:49:17.000 --> 00:49:21.560 the civilian population that's right so the morality 603 00:49:21.560 --> 00:49:27.320 is there in a sense of that you know again legalistic and even morality that 604 00:49:27.320 --> 00:49:33.000 try to only focus on combatants and not on the 605 00:49:33.000 --> 00:49:37.560 innocence that is in there and so the the the chaplain plays a 606 00:49:37.560 --> 00:49:42.200 integral role in those planning sessions and in those meetings 607 00:49:42.200 --> 00:49:45.560 there are chaplains in those in those planning sessions we are we are there 608 00:49:46.360 --> 00:49:52.120 to be able to say can i you know just mention that there is 609 00:49:52.120 --> 00:49:55.720 these civilians here or there's this mosque here or there's this church here 610 00:49:55.720 --> 00:49:58.440 and if you do that there's going to be you know some consequences and i just 611 00:49:58.440 --> 00:50:01.880 want you to be able to think about that yeah so chaplains are in those high 612 00:50:01.880 --> 00:50:07.160 level meetings and planning sessions of for the implementation of war 613 00:50:07.160 --> 00:50:11.800 so that there's not an excess that that happens yep and so we take care of 614 00:50:11.880 --> 00:50:16.280 folks before they go out as they go out and then when they come back as well 615 00:50:16.280 --> 00:50:20.440 yeah that we are there to help them to put those pieces 616 00:50:20.440 --> 00:50:24.680 back together and to give an understanding and meaning 617 00:50:24.680 --> 00:50:28.440 to what they just did yeah yeah because i'd never i would never want to have 618 00:50:28.440 --> 00:50:33.240 them confused with killing versus murdering and those are big conversations 619 00:50:33.240 --> 00:50:39.160 that we have a huge deal that's a huge deal an officer a police officer 620 00:50:39.160 --> 00:50:44.920 in the city uh takes out a guy who's got a a dagger this i'm actually 621 00:50:44.920 --> 00:50:48.040 talking about something that has really happened with someone here at this 622 00:50:48.040 --> 00:50:53.400 church um where he was called onto a scene 623 00:50:53.400 --> 00:50:59.720 and there was a guy whose background uh his religion in history 624 00:50:59.720 --> 00:51:05.800 it's he's got a uh cemetery to the throat of a young lady 625 00:51:05.800 --> 00:51:13.640 hair pulled back blade there wow and he he he was in the authority to say 626 00:51:13.640 --> 00:51:18.120 listen anyone has a clear shot take him but don't take him until you have a 627 00:51:18.120 --> 00:51:24.200 clear shot and somebody had a clear shot and they took him out 628 00:51:24.200 --> 00:51:31.160 save that woman's life that that officer was given 629 00:51:31.160 --> 00:51:34.760 the medal of honor for that city 630 00:51:34.760 --> 00:51:41.320 that's exactly what what our soldiers and airmen and our sailors are doing 631 00:51:41.320 --> 00:51:45.320 and so i just don't appreciate a culture that mixes that up 632 00:51:45.320 --> 00:51:50.440 i we must never allow that to happen that's something that we cannot 633 00:51:50.440 --> 00:51:58.040 and so um military i sleep at night i can i can do what i'm doing right now 634 00:51:58.040 --> 00:52:01.560 because there's men and women that have signed up 635 00:52:01.560 --> 00:52:06.680 to lay down their life to be uncomfortable to be in a foreign place 636 00:52:06.680 --> 00:52:11.320 uh to be in a situation that allows me to do what i'm doing here right now 637 00:52:11.320 --> 00:52:16.120 to me that is that is like being a follower of christ 638 00:52:16.120 --> 00:52:21.640 it's a life that's that's that's worthy of of my life 639 00:52:21.640 --> 00:52:27.800 to give it's and i listen if you're if you're a young person today i hope 640 00:52:27.880 --> 00:52:31.000 i think one of the greatest things that you're lacking in your youth 641 00:52:31.000 --> 00:52:34.840 is that you don't have something larger than your life 642 00:52:34.840 --> 00:52:38.360 did you know that's an honorable thing to be living for a cause that's 643 00:52:38.360 --> 00:52:43.480 larger than your life and um 644 00:52:43.480 --> 00:52:46.920 america's walking around these days with a black eye because we've punched 645 00:52:46.920 --> 00:52:49.960 ourselves in the face i mean who punches themselves in the face 646 00:52:49.960 --> 00:52:54.200 but we've done that in our history we've done that in our culture 647 00:52:54.200 --> 00:52:57.160 and everybody that is yelling about how bad of a place america is it's 648 00:52:57.160 --> 00:53:00.200 funny they're still living here 649 00:53:00.200 --> 00:53:03.720 and you know it's interesting i travel a lot i get tremendous amount of 650 00:53:03.720 --> 00:53:08.600 respect uh first off because if people don't know 651 00:53:08.600 --> 00:53:11.480 if i happen to be in some other part of the world they don't know the pastor 652 00:53:11.480 --> 00:53:15.000 the first the first experience of respect that i get 653 00:53:15.000 --> 00:53:18.760 is that i'm an american well there's everybody hate americans 654 00:53:18.760 --> 00:53:24.600 no actually they don't you know that's just that's media span man 655 00:53:24.600 --> 00:53:31.240 again today's june 6th and a lot of you who are watching this in europe right 656 00:53:31.240 --> 00:53:36.600 now uh if it wasn't for this day in history 657 00:53:36.600 --> 00:53:40.840 we would all be speaking german well the world would have been reduced 658 00:53:40.840 --> 00:53:49.000 to two languages japanese and german if today didn't happen in history 659 00:53:49.000 --> 00:53:53.160 and um can i tell you something maybe this kind of a little off-color 660 00:53:53.240 --> 00:53:57.560 go for it i was in um i was in london 661 00:53:57.560 --> 00:54:01.640 we had about 45 people with this we were doing street evangelism 662 00:54:01.640 --> 00:54:06.120 and were helping out a brand new church plant 663 00:54:06.120 --> 00:54:13.560 just outside the city and there are some huligans there were some six or seven 664 00:54:13.560 --> 00:54:18.840 guys walking by and this is after after the event and so there was a handful 665 00:54:18.840 --> 00:54:23.640 of us walking and uh there was the six or seven of them walking and we 666 00:54:23.640 --> 00:54:26.920 passed each other they could hear our accent 667 00:54:26.920 --> 00:54:33.080 and so uh they they said something about um 668 00:54:33.080 --> 00:54:38.840 our um american you should get your american 669 00:54:38.840 --> 00:54:45.080 out of here and i was twice the guys twice their age 670 00:54:45.080 --> 00:54:50.040 but i i turned around and i said excuse me excuse me you guys got 671 00:54:50.040 --> 00:54:56.040 hey excuse me they came back and they got ready for a fight 672 00:54:56.040 --> 00:55:00.600 i couldn't fight i had my bible there were Christians around 673 00:55:00.600 --> 00:55:04.760 god was watching i walked right up to them though 674 00:55:04.760 --> 00:55:13.800 and i said my family my dad came from 675 00:55:13.800 --> 00:55:17.720 the america that you just cursed 676 00:55:17.720 --> 00:55:21.880 to see to it that you had the freedom to mouth off to me like you just did 677 00:55:21.880 --> 00:55:25.960 my my my family laid their life down for you to to not be speaking german right 678 00:55:25.960 --> 00:55:30.840 now and all of them 679 00:55:30.840 --> 00:55:35.240 said i'm sorry sir you're please please forgive us 680 00:55:35.240 --> 00:55:38.920 they immediately got their history lesson 681 00:55:38.920 --> 00:55:43.000 and somewhere though they remembered somewhere they were told 682 00:55:43.000 --> 00:55:46.440 and i had the honor of of listening to now he's in 683 00:55:46.440 --> 00:55:50.360 he's in heaven now but congressman zeal miller 684 00:55:50.360 --> 00:55:55.320 and he was talking about how this is so cool 685 00:55:55.320 --> 00:56:00.760 how after nineteen forty four forty five we had the power 686 00:56:00.760 --> 00:56:05.560 the united states had the power to literally 687 00:56:05.560 --> 00:56:10.520 take over the entire world no one could stop us 688 00:56:10.520 --> 00:56:16.920 nobody if america's so bad how come the globe 689 00:56:16.920 --> 00:56:22.440 still has nations it's because we're not an occupier we're a liberator 690 00:56:22.440 --> 00:56:26.360 and i just thought oh my gosh that's so true 691 00:56:26.360 --> 00:56:30.360 we had the atomic power we had the will power 692 00:56:30.360 --> 00:56:35.720 we had the the the wherewithal the industrial might the industrial might 693 00:56:35.720 --> 00:56:40.200 to literally conquer the world america could have achieved that which 694 00:56:40.200 --> 00:56:43.640 despots dream about we didn't do it no 695 00:56:43.640 --> 00:56:48.920 we gave japan back to japan and we gave germany back to the germans 696 00:56:48.920 --> 00:56:55.480 the the yeah you know france isn't the 52nd state it could have been 697 00:56:55.480 --> 00:57:00.920 but it's not closing remarks how do people connect with you guys 698 00:57:00.920 --> 00:57:04.280 it's fascinating it's awesome i wish i was younger 699 00:57:04.280 --> 00:57:10.120 uh do a pitch get get get get get get the word out there yeah 700 00:57:10.280 --> 00:57:14.680 so yes uh if i made two things one we are making a pitch for chaplains 701 00:57:14.680 --> 00:57:17.800 and all those requirements that i talked about but as you we're talking about 702 00:57:17.800 --> 00:57:22.120 the younger generation we do need christians 703 00:57:22.120 --> 00:57:25.320 uh in the military so i know there's a lot of people out there they're 704 00:57:25.320 --> 00:57:27.800 they're telling their their sons and their daughters 705 00:57:27.800 --> 00:57:31.000 don't go into the military because of what's going on but i'm going to say 706 00:57:31.000 --> 00:57:35.080 just the opposite because of what's going on we need young men and young 707 00:57:35.080 --> 00:57:38.280 women who are strong in their faith to be able to come in 708 00:57:38.280 --> 00:57:42.600 and live that faith out certain things you can and cannot do 709 00:57:42.600 --> 00:57:46.040 but you can you can live your faith out strongly 710 00:57:46.040 --> 00:57:50.360 in the military and be an influence um you can be a joshua 711 00:57:50.360 --> 00:57:53.400 that that is just a leader within the community 712 00:57:53.400 --> 00:57:57.480 and people are going to see it and people notice it and people are going to 713 00:57:57.480 --> 00:58:00.360 uh come to you for that so we do need uh 714 00:58:00.360 --> 00:58:03.880 millet uh young men and women of strong christian faith to come into the 715 00:58:04.840 --> 00:58:08.040 so where you can find us is we have a facebook page 716 00:58:08.040 --> 00:58:12.040 calvery chapel chaplains very simple calvery chapel chaplains 717 00:58:12.040 --> 00:58:16.440 and um you know we respond to the facebook messages all the time 718 00:58:16.440 --> 00:58:20.200 and can help you out there but we also have an email address 719 00:58:20.200 --> 00:58:24.520 and that email address is calvery chaplains 720 00:58:24.520 --> 00:58:27.960 you'll put it up on your your site first appreciate that i want to make sure i 721 00:58:27.960 --> 00:58:32.200 spell it out right at gmail.com and those are right now the only two places 722 00:58:32.200 --> 00:58:35.640 that that we have we're working with the calvery chapel association to get a 723 00:58:35.640 --> 00:58:39.880 web page uh specific uh tab up there that is military chaplains and 724 00:58:39.880 --> 00:58:43.480 and so we're very hopeful for that um and that would be the third place to be 725 00:58:43.480 --> 00:58:46.360 able to come to but uh and chino hills uh please 726 00:58:46.360 --> 00:58:49.320 it's been very very supportive and very helpful for us as well 727 00:58:49.320 --> 00:58:52.680 and get you in contact with us. Yeah. 728 00:58:52.680 --> 00:58:54.760 Captain Dennis Wheeler it's an honor brother. Thank you. 729 00:58:54.760 --> 00:58:57.880 Thank you for all your years of service i thank you for my freedom 730 00:58:57.880 --> 00:59:00.200 and uh for all that you're doing to the king of god. 731 00:59:00.200 --> 00:59:03.080 Thank you for all that you're doing for us and the military and and for our 732 00:59:03.080 --> 00:59:05.160 government leadership as well. Can you stand together? 733 00:59:05.160 --> 00:59:08.760 Yes. God bless you. Thank you too. 734 00:59:11.560 --> 00:59:15.000 This jack hips podcast as well as all the broadcast outreach 735 00:59:15.000 --> 00:59:19.400 opportunities are listener supported. Will you consider partnering with us 736 00:59:19.400 --> 00:59:24.680 through a special gift? Go to jackhibs.com to learn more 737 00:59:24.680 --> 00:59:26.600 and stay connected.