WEBVTT 1 00:00:00.000 --> 00:00:05.840 Real Life presents the Jack Hibbs podcast with intention and boldness to proclaim 2 00:00:05.840 --> 00:00:10.480 truth, equip the saints and impact our culture. Everybody we're gonna have an 3 00:00:10.480 --> 00:00:16.680 amazing time with a very special guest, a woman that has my utmost respect as 4 00:00:16.680 --> 00:00:22.640 she takes on the cultural warrior-type issues of our day-to-day battle right 5 00:00:22.640 --> 00:00:27.440 here in America. So stay tuned you'll find out who that is in the room. 6 00:00:27.440 --> 00:00:35.760 You can get the outlines of this podcast by going to jackhibbs.com slash podcast. 7 00:00:35.760 --> 00:00:41.120 Today if this podcast lifts you up and encourages you to live a more fulfilled 8 00:00:41.120 --> 00:00:46.000 life in Christ then make sure you leave us one of those five star ratings. To us 9 00:00:46.000 --> 00:00:51.520 that's like saying amen or yes then that rating will encourage others to listen. 10 00:00:51.520 --> 00:00:56.920 Now open your hearts to what God's word has to say to you. Here is Jack Hibbs. 11 00:00:57.800 --> 00:01:02.280 Well welcome to this podcast and we are going to have a tremendous time 12 00:01:02.280 --> 00:01:05.800 together today and you're going to see the reason why it's going to be filled 13 00:01:05.800 --> 00:01:11.720 with energy, insight, wisdom and frankly what I love so much activism and you 14 00:01:11.720 --> 00:01:15.960 heard me right. Yes I'm a pastor but I believe that Christianity and our faith 15 00:01:15.960 --> 00:01:20.920 is active. It should make a big difference. Faith is a verb and it should be 16 00:01:21.000 --> 00:01:28.920 moving and we have with us today Penny Nance who has been a mover and shaker in the social 17 00:01:28.920 --> 00:01:35.000 and cultural battlefield in America when it comes to women's rights when it comes to 18 00:01:36.280 --> 00:01:44.200 Supreme Court justices being approved or nominated or campaigned for when it comes to what's 19 00:01:44.200 --> 00:01:51.240 going on in your local culture as a community and nationally. Penny has her hands on everything 20 00:01:51.240 --> 00:01:59.480 and we're impressed by her. She is the CEO and president of the Concerned Women for America 21 00:01:59.480 --> 00:02:04.440 and so I'm honored we are honored to have with us Penny Nance. Thank you. Oh my goodness. I 22 00:02:04.440 --> 00:02:09.640 appreciate that. That's a lot for a preacher's kid from Appalachia, graduate of Liberty University 23 00:02:09.640 --> 00:02:15.400 get to be here with you. Yes actually serve on their border trustees now which means a lot 24 00:02:15.400 --> 00:02:19.960 but it's just a deep honor to be here with you Pastor Hibbs and to have been with you last night 25 00:02:19.960 --> 00:02:25.320 talking about support for Israel. Just what a wonderful church you have an incredible ministry 26 00:02:25.320 --> 00:02:29.960 and I'm grateful to be here with you. Well thank you. The people at the church I pastor make it 27 00:02:29.960 --> 00:02:35.400 very easy for me to pastor there as you saw last night and they're out in force. She's referring 28 00:02:35.560 --> 00:02:41.000 to an evening that we just hosted stand with Israel and so we had a tremendous time together and 29 00:02:41.000 --> 00:02:48.200 Nancy led the congregation in specific prayer points and it was powerful but we're here today to 30 00:02:48.200 --> 00:02:59.800 talk about what is on your heart. What is burdening your ministry, your heart and what needs to be 31 00:02:59.800 --> 00:03:06.680 said at a time like this. We're living in very very yes you know to us it's bizarre days but yet 32 00:03:07.240 --> 00:03:13.080 these are days that have been announced in scripture. Yes we're not surprised by these days 33 00:03:14.360 --> 00:03:21.560 but share with us what's what's burning in your heart? Well you know I think I see a slush I think 34 00:03:21.560 --> 00:03:28.520 said it so well there's no neutral ground in the universe. Every square inch and every split second 35 00:03:28.520 --> 00:03:34.680 is claimed by God and counterclaimed by Satan and that's really the crux of the battle that we're in 36 00:03:34.680 --> 00:03:39.320 and it's been since the beginning of the time since the fall of man and here we are and many of 37 00:03:39.320 --> 00:03:45.080 these battles aren't even new. Most many of your viewers maybe know Beverly Lehigh founded 38 00:03:45.080 --> 00:03:51.240 Concern Women for America in 1979 from here in California and then they moved the operation, 39 00:03:51.240 --> 00:03:58.040 the organization to Washington DC but they started these women these faithful Christian women 40 00:03:58.040 --> 00:04:08.600 came together in 1979 to stand up for truth, the truth in the public square and fought the ERA 41 00:04:08.600 --> 00:04:13.640 and won because if you remember it was sailing through before Christian women woke up and said 42 00:04:13.640 --> 00:04:18.360 wait a minute if this passes because it sounds kind of good right that you could rise for a woman 43 00:04:18.360 --> 00:04:23.720 like we're for that equal pay sure we get it but then they found out reading between the lines 44 00:04:23.720 --> 00:04:28.840 that actually that meant that would strike down all the pro-life prohibitions and states it meant 45 00:04:28.840 --> 00:04:33.960 the very things that we're fighting right now men and women's locker rooms men and women's sports 46 00:04:33.960 --> 00:04:40.520 all those things and like wait we're not for that and so they came together and they educated people 47 00:04:40.520 --> 00:04:45.080 and educated their friends their families and their churches and their Sunday schools and the 48 00:04:45.080 --> 00:04:52.680 parents teacher associations and all their friends and came together and got people out and prayed 49 00:04:52.760 --> 00:04:58.840 and worked and they were victorious but same doesn't have any new ideas no no he just he just 50 00:04:58.840 --> 00:05:04.440 loses and reconstitutes and comes back and we fight those same battles just like we are today 51 00:05:04.440 --> 00:05:10.600 in fact I think it's very good with what you just said Satan is he's not an originator he cannot 52 00:05:10.600 --> 00:05:19.160 do that you're exactly right he will do everything in a knockoff form and so what he does is he promises 53 00:05:19.160 --> 00:05:25.400 people liberty and freedom when in actuality it's bondage but he packages it in a in a very 54 00:05:26.520 --> 00:05:33.240 tasty almost like candy like style that if you're not grounded in the word if you're not a follower 55 00:05:33.240 --> 00:05:38.760 of Christ you're gonna fall for it I mean look Eve was not a dummy so we've got to believe that 56 00:05:38.760 --> 00:05:46.520 when Satan spoke to her he must have spoken as such cunning in appealing ways that she fell for 57 00:05:46.520 --> 00:05:54.200 that so today that tactic still works yeah to wrap something up with all the glitter in the bow 58 00:05:54.200 --> 00:05:59.480 but when you opened it up there's this pen Pandora's box and we're seeing that in our culture today 59 00:06:00.120 --> 00:06:06.760 where we have gone through and and you please correct me if I'm wrong uh but you know we started with 60 00:06:07.400 --> 00:06:11.880 uh like you said the equal rights for women of course we're world in favor for that 61 00:06:12.600 --> 00:06:18.120 but saying is a good marketer though I will say that oh well that's to mark it out it's tremendous 62 00:06:18.920 --> 00:06:22.760 yeah he's able to get around the world in a moment what it what takes Apple 63 00:06:22.760 --> 00:06:30.440 computer you know once or years to mark it out there but um there's this thing where oh you're 64 00:06:30.440 --> 00:06:36.520 in bondage you're not happy you need this to really be something this is the answer oh I've 65 00:06:37.160 --> 00:06:41.960 heard your truth speak your truth yeah what do you feel that's your truth and this is my truth so 66 00:06:41.960 --> 00:06:49.320 this is my truth and the confusion that has ensued I I recently and I've been thinking a lot about 67 00:06:49.320 --> 00:06:53.800 the truth I keep talking about it because Jesus says I am the way the truth and the life no man 68 00:06:53.800 --> 00:06:59.960 comes with his father but by me Jesus is truth we only know truth because we know God who's the 69 00:06:59.960 --> 00:07:05.320 author of truth right and then and we have the Holy Spirit to help clear away the cobwebs and see 70 00:07:05.400 --> 00:07:10.040 the reality of these situations and sometimes not even right away sometimes it's sometimes it's 71 00:07:10.040 --> 00:07:19.800 through prayer but you have an entire society that particularly um you know under COVID where 72 00:07:20.600 --> 00:07:26.760 communities were broken were churches not great churches like yours but churches that were 73 00:07:26.760 --> 00:07:31.960 even my churches that didn't come back together they're very slow to come back together they 74 00:07:31.960 --> 00:07:37.320 couldn't even manage to go to their parking lots and come before the Lord and so young people 75 00:07:37.320 --> 00:07:42.600 were alone they were they were broken off from community they couldn't go to school they had to 76 00:07:42.600 --> 00:07:48.200 have a computer in order to try to learn although we know they didn't right we know that our school 77 00:07:48.200 --> 00:07:55.160 our schoolchildren particularly our our underserved communities are several years behind where they 78 00:07:55.160 --> 00:08:02.360 should be and they never catch up the people that were hurt the most by the heavy hand of government 79 00:08:02.360 --> 00:08:07.880 were the people who are the least of these and when one of us said anything oh we wanted to kill 80 00:08:07.880 --> 00:08:14.920 old people right clearly that was it we're selfish we don't care and so um you had young people 81 00:08:14.920 --> 00:08:22.520 and old people alone and lonely in their homes and we have had we have record numbers of suicide 82 00:08:22.520 --> 00:08:28.360 now record numbers of fentanyl overdoses people fell off the wagon people got involved in drugs 83 00:08:28.360 --> 00:08:35.000 and young kids went searching for love and found the dark corners of the internet and were dragged 84 00:08:35.000 --> 00:08:43.080 into the whole trans movement right and we had doctors who were making bank at a hundred thousand 85 00:08:43.080 --> 00:08:49.160 dollars a pop and then lifelong medical patients in order to do trans surgeries on little kids 86 00:08:50.040 --> 00:08:56.120 listen with what you just said so clearly do you think there's any I mean you and I know there's 87 00:08:56.120 --> 00:09:01.560 a day of reckoning before God but before that time comes do you think they're they're 88 00:09:02.680 --> 00:09:08.840 ever going to be held accountable for these physicians that that fought up these horrific 89 00:09:08.840 --> 00:09:14.520 things of mutilating this kid or this person do you think they'll ever be held accountable well 90 00:09:15.240 --> 00:09:21.480 I don't know about the day but I will tell you that and I know you think this too that say no 91 00:09:21.480 --> 00:09:27.000 always overreaches right always overplay always overreaches and so it went from you know we need 92 00:09:27.000 --> 00:09:36.360 to respect everyone okay I get that to you have to you have to deny reality and you have to 93 00:09:36.440 --> 00:09:47.080 you have to ascertain that my truth which is a lie is the truth and you have to call me another 94 00:09:47.080 --> 00:09:53.720 pronoun you have to pretend that I am a woman when I'm a man and welcome me into your sorority 95 00:09:53.720 --> 00:10:00.440 into your locker room onto your on to your sports team and that's where they went too far yeah 96 00:10:00.440 --> 00:10:07.000 because mothers around this country and I you know these women who got up at oh dark 30 97 00:10:07.000 --> 00:10:13.080 and drove their children to their sports team to their practices watch their daughters work so 98 00:10:13.080 --> 00:10:18.920 hard all their like for career for their careers in order just to have an opportunity to compete 99 00:10:18.920 --> 00:10:25.720 right and to go to college on a scholarship and to win trophies and to win titles and it was all 100 00:10:25.720 --> 00:10:31.080 taken away and so you're seeing finally this moment because at the beginning you had these young 101 00:10:31.080 --> 00:10:35.960 women who couldn't say anything because their scholarships were at risk but now they're graduating 102 00:10:35.960 --> 00:10:43.400 yes and you have everyone from gains what's our first rally gains who I know well and love 103 00:10:43.400 --> 00:10:48.360 yeah we have in our program yeah and you have and she's you know a notable person who early on came 104 00:10:48.360 --> 00:10:53.720 on because she swam against Lea Thomas another person who you don't know as well is that one of our 105 00:10:53.720 --> 00:11:02.360 members her name is Kylie Allons 31 time all American champion from NC State has school titles 106 00:11:02.920 --> 00:11:09.080 out the ears and she also swam against Lea Thomas but her story is a little bit different she 107 00:11:09.080 --> 00:11:14.840 of course was in the fact that she came in further behind because of him but her biggest issue is 108 00:11:14.840 --> 00:11:19.960 that when they got there they had no idea that they were going to be sharing a locker room with him 109 00:11:19.960 --> 00:11:25.240 no one told them ahead of time that a man would be in their locker room and anatomically correct 110 00:11:25.240 --> 00:11:31.000 man who still dates girls is going to be in their locker room now I didn't really know this 111 00:11:31.720 --> 00:11:37.560 wait a minute I get that at Georgia Tech it's the biology part 112 00:11:39.080 --> 00:11:45.400 did you just say that he still dates girls with swims against women and the women's competitions 113 00:11:45.400 --> 00:11:55.720 that's correct so we're he's a lesbian so we're we're we're crazier than I thought a moment oh we're 114 00:11:55.720 --> 00:12:01.480 totally crazy nobody is crazy just the grownups that are supposed to be in charge of crazy heads 115 00:12:01.480 --> 00:12:07.880 of the NCAA and the new head of the NCAA Charlie Baker brand new guy as it doesn't seem to be 116 00:12:07.880 --> 00:12:13.480 catching on either so what happened is Kylie so this was something that I did not understand 117 00:12:13.480 --> 00:12:20.200 until she explained it to me I've never swam competitively in my life but when you do you don't 118 00:12:20.200 --> 00:12:24.440 just change one time you change several times you're in a practice suit you're out of that you're 119 00:12:24.440 --> 00:12:29.960 in something else you change several times in the last suit for the actual heat you're putting on a 120 00:12:29.960 --> 00:12:35.320 a performance suit that covers you from your knees to your neck it's very thin it takes between 121 00:12:35.320 --> 00:12:41.720 10 and 30 minutes to get into it's very tight and you have to be very careful or it will tear I 122 00:12:41.720 --> 00:12:48.200 suppose and so the women were so nervous and now think of this kind of as a senior this is her 123 00:12:48.200 --> 00:12:52.920 last chance she's at Georgia Tech this is her last and she's worked up her entire career for 124 00:12:52.920 --> 00:12:57.800 this moment and instead of being thinking about her race and what she need to be thinking being 125 00:12:57.800 --> 00:13:02.360 having her head in the game she's having to think about oh my gosh is it coming around the corner 126 00:13:02.360 --> 00:13:08.600 is in here what's gonna happen and so you know what she did is she took her swimsuit she left the 127 00:13:08.600 --> 00:13:16.040 locker room and she found a utility closet she was the one driven into the closet and a lot of 128 00:13:16.040 --> 00:13:22.040 her teammates went with her and the girls changed in the closet rather than being in the locker room 129 00:13:22.040 --> 00:13:30.680 with a man you would think that the other team would say there you go you know you're thinking 130 00:13:30.680 --> 00:13:36.920 you're changing in the utility room where you should change but that probably wasn't enough for 131 00:13:36.920 --> 00:13:43.560 them they they they probably the the the changing of your your uniform or your swim gear in in the 132 00:13:43.560 --> 00:13:50.360 utility room is not enough what must be enough is that even if you could beat this man in the event 133 00:13:50.360 --> 00:13:54.840 you better not beat him you have to send because could you imagine has it happened yet I'm honestly 134 00:13:54.840 --> 00:14:02.040 ignorant about this has a woman yet beat him and and swimming has he yes but you know we're not 135 00:14:02.040 --> 00:14:10.360 really sure if it's real right frankly and because that would be very unloving but regardless there 136 00:14:10.360 --> 00:14:16.440 are below him several women should that should be an or women that didn't even make the team because 137 00:14:16.440 --> 00:14:23.640 of right and it's not just swimming it's track yeah it's oh yeah wait lifting it's we just 138 00:14:23.640 --> 00:14:29.320 thought in the US Marine Corps there's a laughing stock video on TikTok where the US Marine Corps 139 00:14:29.320 --> 00:14:38.520 just went down to massive path of compromise because of of really not only could the the the 140 00:14:38.520 --> 00:14:44.440 test that you had to take physically to become a marine most men can't make it right well they wound 141 00:14:44.440 --> 00:14:51.880 up changing the requirements in the time allowed it for the endurance to be so skewed and it's 142 00:14:51.880 --> 00:14:59.000 a gut it's all on video and then it's it's been played in Russia it's been played yeah it's 143 00:14:59.000 --> 00:15:05.000 been played on Iran and these people are laughing at the US Marines because there's a woman who 144 00:15:05.000 --> 00:15:13.080 can't carry an 80 pound sack backpack gear up a mountain and so there's there's there's 145 00:15:13.080 --> 00:15:21.880 Marines standing around cheering her on and the the the spin out there in in the other countries is 146 00:15:21.880 --> 00:15:27.240 this is what the US Marines have become that's dangerous that is dangerous and in you know the 147 00:15:27.240 --> 00:15:32.840 the recruitment rights in our military are this 44 and I say this as an army mom my son will 148 00:15:32.840 --> 00:15:40.520 be active duty in the army as a second lieutenant in a year and I am pro military I we love our 149 00:15:40.520 --> 00:15:44.840 military but we there needs to be some changes and it has to start at the top that's right it has 150 00:15:44.840 --> 00:15:53.240 to start with the commander in chief and so um but you know what is his name um well you know I think 151 00:15:53.240 --> 00:15:58.440 does Joe Biden know he's the manager chief I don't know I don't know but uh but I will say 152 00:15:58.440 --> 00:16:03.000 the original questions do I think there's a reckoning yes I do and I will tell you that I've 153 00:16:03.000 --> 00:16:11.720 seen glimpses of hope and of course always god is in control amen he he he loves the week he loves 154 00:16:11.720 --> 00:16:17.640 women he recognizes that it is wrong for them to be taken advantage of and this is a situation in 155 00:16:17.640 --> 00:16:23.640 which they are but aside from that you know we've come alongside and linked arms with a group of 156 00:16:23.640 --> 00:16:28.280 women that we have nothing in common with except for this and this is they're called the women's 157 00:16:28.280 --> 00:16:35.880 liberation front these are radical leftist women who many of whom are bisexual and lesbians 158 00:16:35.880 --> 00:16:42.440 kind of guy join um I mate no no they're they're on our team on this they they're like a woman is 159 00:16:42.440 --> 00:16:48.280 it you can mentally not change from being a woman to a man they are they come hard they're like 160 00:16:48.280 --> 00:16:53.160 the few little things that women fought so hard for and they're right it was not right the right 161 00:16:53.160 --> 00:16:57.080 to vote it took a hundred years for us to get the right to vote we've only had it for a hundred 162 00:16:57.640 --> 00:17:01.640 years and the fact that you know these few little set of sides and that you know we only had 163 00:17:02.360 --> 00:17:08.040 the title nine for 50 years title nine gave us the opportunity to have equal opportunity in 164 00:17:08.040 --> 00:17:14.760 education and sports and suddenly the people that work so hard have have could change teams 165 00:17:14.760 --> 00:17:21.000 and they feel completely betrayed um you know I think it was a one from Hawaii Patsy Meek Congress 166 00:17:21.000 --> 00:17:27.720 one from from no from Hawaii was the sponsor of that bill she is turning over in her grave at 167 00:17:27.720 --> 00:17:33.320 this point to see what's happened to title nine so um one of the things that CWA has done 168 00:17:34.040 --> 00:17:41.640 as we move into this moment is to really try to to really um set down some markers and to get 169 00:17:41.640 --> 00:17:48.440 ahead of things and one of the things we did is we went to um we put together a presidential 170 00:17:48.520 --> 00:17:53.080 pledge for American women and we went and sent it to all the presidential candidates 171 00:17:53.080 --> 00:17:57.880 Democrats and Republicans we send it to everyone this is this is current currently and so we've 172 00:17:57.880 --> 00:18:03.480 had four presidential candidates sign it so far so so so right now everybody listen this could be 173 00:18:03.480 --> 00:18:09.480 breaking news right here on this podcast yes and so if you go to concernwomen.org we have a copy 174 00:18:09.480 --> 00:18:13.800 of it up and you know even you can take the same pledge and we have a version of it that you can 175 00:18:13.800 --> 00:18:19.640 take to your city council take to your take to your school board take to anyone that you want 176 00:18:19.640 --> 00:18:24.760 because this is an easy one it should be for to write thinking people to sign and it says 177 00:18:25.400 --> 00:18:30.840 as president of the United States I've promised to pull truth the truth that women are 178 00:18:30.840 --> 00:18:36.920 exclusively female only women can be pregnant and bear children only women can be mothers 179 00:18:37.560 --> 00:18:44.520 under law under my administration the status and dignity of women and girls will not be compromised 180 00:18:44.520 --> 00:18:53.000 in law policy that sex is binary is a scientific reality and all federal agencies will be directed 181 00:18:53.000 --> 00:19:01.240 to hold up this fact in every policy and program at home and abroad um a person's claim of gender 182 00:19:01.320 --> 00:19:06.920 and identity does not overrule their sex my administration will focus on affirming sex 183 00:19:06.920 --> 00:19:13.640 based distinctions to protect women in every area such as shelters prison housing health care 184 00:19:13.640 --> 00:19:21.240 defense education and sports I will protect the dignity of women and motherhood in all circumstances 185 00:19:21.240 --> 00:19:25.880 that's awesome that's the person I want to like and are you at liberty to tell us yes I would 186 00:19:25.880 --> 00:19:30.760 have well I'll tell you who the first person was it was Donald J Trump there he goes again 187 00:19:30.760 --> 00:19:35.400 there he goes again and he was and he was the first guy I hand I gave it to him I actually I 188 00:19:35.400 --> 00:19:39.640 think I have a picture on my Instagram a few of you viewers when I come where my husband and I 189 00:19:39.640 --> 00:19:43.560 went up the funny thing about it is because you know president Trump and he he does have a great 190 00:19:43.560 --> 00:19:48.440 sense of humor he started reading it and he got to the first thing and I put it answered I'd 191 00:19:48.440 --> 00:19:53.240 like for you to take a look at this mr. president he said I he was reading I promised to hold 192 00:19:53.240 --> 00:19:57.880 the truth that women are exclusively female only women can be pregnant and bare children only 193 00:19:57.880 --> 00:20:02.840 women can be mothers he looked at my husband he's like can you believe this like can you believe 194 00:20:02.840 --> 00:20:08.840 that I have to tell people that this is what I believe right and that was just his gut reaction on 195 00:20:08.840 --> 00:20:14.520 it he got it immediately so he was the first guy out of the gate and I was very grateful for that 196 00:20:14.520 --> 00:20:20.680 so that I mean it's been months that I gave that to him and then after that was Vivek from 197 00:20:20.680 --> 00:20:26.440 a Swami signed it and then Nikki Haley and just I don't know why it took so long that governor 198 00:20:26.440 --> 00:20:32.440 Ronda sent us has signed just as a few days ago so we've got four we're going to continue pushing it 199 00:20:32.440 --> 00:20:37.880 but I got to tell you I it means a lot to me that president Trump immediately was spot on and 200 00:20:37.880 --> 00:20:43.720 understood the question and the time of the day look it speaks we've you and I've been with him 201 00:20:43.720 --> 00:20:51.400 before and and he's boy don't we long for the days of mean tweets if that's the big 202 00:20:51.400 --> 00:20:59.400 national issue is a mean tweet oh man oh my goodness he has a remarkable ability to read the room 203 00:20:59.400 --> 00:21:05.880 to read you he has the remarkable ability people are shocked when they hear this but he is an 204 00:21:05.880 --> 00:21:09.960 amazing listener I remember the first time that I met him I think it was in Miami 205 00:21:10.920 --> 00:21:16.680 and I was surprised at how quiet he was in the room as people were talking he didn't interrupt 206 00:21:16.680 --> 00:21:23.480 people he was gathering data you could see the gears turning and once he is determined about 207 00:21:23.480 --> 00:21:31.560 something he's locked on like a missile and we watched him respond accordingly and this kind 208 00:21:31.560 --> 00:21:36.840 of leadership was what we need now today in America for that matter of the world where it is 209 00:21:36.920 --> 00:21:46.280 correct it's decisive and he doesn't he doesn't pull the trigger unless he knows what's going to 210 00:21:46.280 --> 00:21:53.000 happen he's not he's not a knee jerk reaction person and so I'm not surprised yeah well enough but 211 00:21:53.000 --> 00:21:59.160 I also I did that he has a really solid get right he he has you know and I don't I think he's on 212 00:21:59.160 --> 00:22:05.960 a spiritual journey as we all are right but I think you know he has a solid understanding of 213 00:22:05.960 --> 00:22:12.520 of certain things and particularly issues like this in the second debate he famously went for the 214 00:22:12.520 --> 00:22:19.000 first time we saw a presidential candidate go after the other guy on abortion yeah and say you're 215 00:22:19.000 --> 00:22:24.520 the extremist the fact that you want to rip a little baby limb by limb from its mother's womb 216 00:22:24.520 --> 00:22:31.240 no I'm not for that you're the extremist and and we're like yep where's this guy look we're 217 00:22:31.400 --> 00:22:35.720 we've been waiting for this guy and it's Donald Trump I mean who knew so watch let me interrupt this 218 00:22:35.720 --> 00:22:45.240 whole thing on this with what you just said you just hit a nerve that I have and you are so right 219 00:22:45.240 --> 00:22:52.360 Trump just said it the room went silent people gased yet why was that reaction thus it's because 220 00:22:52.360 --> 00:22:59.720 he said what everybody was honestly really thinking how is it why is it that for some and now here 221 00:22:59.720 --> 00:23:06.840 I'm a pastor I'm a Christian so don't don't read this the wrong way people but we're at war 222 00:23:07.720 --> 00:23:16.280 it would be easier if we actually had our AR 15s and hand grenades and tanks and airplanes 223 00:23:16.840 --> 00:23:22.920 that would be easier than the war that we're in right now we're in an invisible war it's a war 224 00:23:22.920 --> 00:23:30.280 of not only I believe spiritual dynamic but the war of words in what is meant so when Trump 225 00:23:30.280 --> 00:23:36.680 responds the way that he does and he gets the magnitude of votes behind him or wins the polls as he 226 00:23:36.680 --> 00:23:45.080 is doing what is happening what's going on he is speaking truth now I I agree with you I think he's 227 00:23:45.080 --> 00:23:51.960 on a journey finding out who God might be we have to work on that more with him but having said that 228 00:23:52.680 --> 00:23:57.000 I'm not I already have a savior I've got a Messiah his name is Jesus 229 00:23:58.120 --> 00:24:02.840 when it comes to president why is it that the Christian community has somehow 230 00:24:04.280 --> 00:24:08.120 diluted themselves into thinking that well we can't vote for Trump because he's not polite 231 00:24:09.720 --> 00:24:15.000 well when is politeness when it comes to warfare like this a virtue I don't understand this 232 00:24:15.000 --> 00:24:17.960 I believe in the fruits of the Holy Spirit don't get me wrong 233 00:24:18.920 --> 00:24:23.400 but here we are we've got somebody who's like a Nebuchadnezzar we've got a Cyrus 234 00:24:24.680 --> 00:24:32.280 that acknowledges the God of Abraham Isaac and Jacob makes the right decisions people who 235 00:24:32.280 --> 00:24:38.120 read their Bible we have no evidence for sure that Nebuchadnezzar or Cyrus is in heaven yet God calls 236 00:24:38.120 --> 00:24:45.640 both of them my servants and they did the right thing Trump has survived several FBI forensic 237 00:24:46.600 --> 00:24:53.560 in audits you and I may not be able to survive that I may not be able to produce a receipt for 238 00:24:53.560 --> 00:25:00.040 a basketball I bought two years ago Trump survived these he's gone through impeachment attempts he 239 00:25:00.040 --> 00:25:06.520 survived these he's still alive today he's he's been sued by everybody and their mother 240 00:25:07.080 --> 00:25:13.480 and yet he's surviving nobody could survive these types of things and yet the man is still standing 241 00:25:14.120 --> 00:25:21.640 and having said that Penny what would you say and then I'll tell you what I was okay what would 242 00:25:21.640 --> 00:25:26.280 you say to Trump right now if Trump was sitting at this chair over here uh president Trump 243 00:25:26.280 --> 00:25:33.800 this is what we would love to hear from you moving into 2024 well I think first and I have said 244 00:25:33.800 --> 00:25:42.040 this to him I am so grateful that he understands that he's making promises to the American people 245 00:25:43.480 --> 00:25:48.200 and he intends to keep them that's right seriously and I have to tell you I have to admit I'm 246 00:25:48.200 --> 00:25:54.200 kind of embarrassed about this but I kind of got entrained by really good Republicans I mean like 247 00:25:54.200 --> 00:26:00.280 George W. Bush who was in evangelical that you listen to what they say and then you 248 00:26:00.920 --> 00:26:05.720 plan on them falling through a maybe half because they're going to get in there in the deep 249 00:26:05.720 --> 00:26:09.720 state and I didn't I used to not believe in that by the way nobody did when we first 250 00:26:09.720 --> 00:26:15.640 yeah I thought that was crazy I thought that you know was conspiracy theory no it's real I mean 251 00:26:15.640 --> 00:26:20.520 maybe not in the way some people see it but certainly there is you know a group of people who are 252 00:26:20.520 --> 00:26:26.600 erred into the system and the administration slow roll everything that the other side tries to do 253 00:26:27.560 --> 00:26:34.360 but um what I saw from president Trump is he told you what he's going to do including 254 00:26:34.360 --> 00:26:38.280 who is Supreme Court justices were going to be right which by the way gave us the overturned 255 00:26:38.520 --> 00:26:43.400 way that's right he told us that he was going to move the embassy that's right from Tel Aviv to 256 00:26:43.400 --> 00:26:49.000 Jerusalem which every president prior said for 22 years and here's something that a lot of people 257 00:26:49.000 --> 00:26:55.240 don't understand you probably know this Congress passed that law and in order for it to not happen 258 00:26:56.040 --> 00:27:02.680 they had to sign a waiver every six months so not only all they had to do for it to happen to do 259 00:27:02.680 --> 00:27:09.640 nothing right so they actively they had to stop it from happening and so president Trump said 260 00:27:09.640 --> 00:27:14.040 I'm going to move the embassy and they come to him like here sign this and he's like what what's 261 00:27:14.040 --> 00:27:17.160 that and he's like that's the waiver you can't move the embassy he's like but I said I was going 262 00:27:17.160 --> 00:27:22.120 to move the embassy and then they're like well you can't do that the Middle East will burn and the 263 00:27:22.120 --> 00:27:28.360 state department you know Harpies all said you can't do it someone in that room said with all 264 00:27:28.360 --> 00:27:34.280 do respect mr. president you will be starting the third world war that's right they did tell him 265 00:27:34.280 --> 00:27:41.240 that and he said I don't believe that he probably said a little more colorfully than that and he said 266 00:27:41.240 --> 00:27:47.560 I'm signing at this time but never again you get it worked out and you get it done and then we're 267 00:27:47.560 --> 00:27:53.400 going to move it and so I was grateful to have actually been present at the opening of the US 268 00:27:53.400 --> 00:28:02.920 embassy in Jerusalem and watch the Israeli people weep with joy and to celebrate in the streets 269 00:28:02.920 --> 00:28:08.440 with Donald Trump's name hanging over because that meant safety for them yeah that meant that once 270 00:28:08.440 --> 00:28:15.720 again someone recognized the eternal capital of Israel is Jerusalem and we know this to be true 271 00:28:15.720 --> 00:28:21.720 and so I guess I would start by and as I have in the past saying thank you but we also understand 272 00:28:21.720 --> 00:28:27.240 and we recognize this and we thank you for this but we understand we also need to look forward in 273 00:28:27.240 --> 00:28:33.640 the future yes because we are in trouble times in this country the economies in the tank people 274 00:28:33.640 --> 00:28:39.000 are having trouble paying their bills putting food on their table parents no longer believe their 275 00:28:39.000 --> 00:28:43.400 children have a brighter future than they had that's the first time this happens since they've 276 00:28:43.400 --> 00:28:49.320 been asking that question and polling I mean we really as a country have have really lost 277 00:28:49.320 --> 00:28:56.360 side of being that shining city on the hill we have and at at the crux of that I truly believe 278 00:28:56.360 --> 00:29:02.360 is the fact that we've allowed this cancer to metastasize in our educational system and we have 279 00:29:02.360 --> 00:29:13.400 spent billions of taxpayer dollars paying for ideologies that are absolutely sinful and hurtful 280 00:29:13.400 --> 00:29:23.320 and anti-market to be used in our campuses all over this country yeah and even in our elementary 281 00:29:23.320 --> 00:29:27.880 schools as we were just discussing these ideologies and so what I would say to you is Mr. President 282 00:29:27.880 --> 00:29:33.080 what are you going to do about all these things what are you going to do to help us restore America 283 00:29:33.080 --> 00:29:38.600 and I would say and as I have done as a remind you all that we all are under the authority of the 284 00:29:38.600 --> 00:29:44.360 king of kings yes and so when I'm with the president or any leader my prayer is to always point 285 00:29:44.360 --> 00:29:53.160 them towards Jesus first and when we recognize the picking order of reality the heavenly pecking 286 00:29:53.160 --> 00:30:00.200 order that God Jesus is king as they said in revolution no king but Jesus but underneath that 287 00:30:00.200 --> 00:30:05.640 underneath his authority he places people in authority which also means Joe Biden at this time 288 00:30:05.640 --> 00:30:13.080 and we need to pray for them but we also need to work hard to have a righteous leader who can 289 00:30:13.080 --> 00:30:20.360 lead us in the direction that will stand within the principles of God let me say this because some 290 00:30:20.360 --> 00:30:27.400 Christians they just don't get it you just said we need to get a righteous leader the the bubble 291 00:30:27.400 --> 00:30:33.320 wrapped Christian says well sorry penny I can't vote for Trump because he's you know his past 292 00:30:33.720 --> 00:30:42.200 they forget about their own past mind you right no no penny said a righteous leader a righteous 293 00:30:42.200 --> 00:30:48.920 leader means a leader that does the right thing not a leader that glows in the dark walks on water 294 00:30:48.920 --> 00:30:57.000 that can raise the dead okay we've got Christ Jesus for this we are not I years ago this popped 295 00:30:57.000 --> 00:31:03.640 into my head and I'll say it again we're not to be looking for the Messiah to arrive on Air Force 296 00:31:03.640 --> 00:31:12.840 one okay that's not gonna happen that's right but you put Trump's promises up against his actions 297 00:31:13.880 --> 00:31:22.920 and what those actions were actually about and you have Donald J Trump as that righteous leader 298 00:31:22.920 --> 00:31:29.000 now I'm gonna get hate mail for that and I love it it actually I enjoy that but try to unpack that 299 00:31:29.640 --> 00:31:34.680 it's a fact in the scripture says I'm loving this verse I'm studying it I'm marinating in it 300 00:31:35.400 --> 00:31:41.240 I have to confess I read it probably all my life as a believer never really stop to think what it meant 301 00:31:41.240 --> 00:31:53.160 second Corinthians 10 verse 6 says by your obedience to Christ punish all disobedience and by 302 00:31:53.160 --> 00:32:00.120 doing so your obedience will be commended now how does that what does that mean what does that 303 00:32:00.120 --> 00:32:06.120 play out well in this republic we don't go around throwing bombs at our opponents we vote 304 00:32:06.920 --> 00:32:13.000 we speak up we go to school board meetings we honor the constitution which gives us the right 305 00:32:13.000 --> 00:32:20.200 just to to be involved we need to wrap this up tragically we're running low on time but I want to 306 00:32:20.200 --> 00:32:25.960 it's my turn to respond to my question to you about what would you say to to President Trump I 307 00:32:25.960 --> 00:32:32.760 would say this I would say President Trump if I could be your advisor for a moment I'd say this 308 00:32:33.640 --> 00:32:39.000 your track records already established we know what you can do it's a matter of fact 309 00:32:40.120 --> 00:32:48.360 regarding your past and who was after you and and crooked Hillary and the deep state we get that too 310 00:32:49.400 --> 00:32:55.160 but here's what we need from you if you want to quietly take care of all that mess once you're 311 00:32:55.160 --> 00:33:01.080 elected go ahead more power do you but right now we've got a whole lot of young people who are 312 00:33:01.080 --> 00:33:09.560 real listen who are real suckers for promises right oh we'll forgive your school debt or whatever 313 00:33:09.560 --> 00:33:16.280 it might be well Mr. President you're the only one that can actually follow through on the promises 314 00:33:17.240 --> 00:33:21.400 here's what young people need to hear and you'll have their vote in fact this is what we all 315 00:33:21.400 --> 00:33:26.680 need to hear and you'll have our vote tell us where you're going to take us that's why we voted 316 00:33:26.680 --> 00:33:34.120 for you in the first place you told us how bad it's been so you said this is what I'm going to do 317 00:33:34.120 --> 00:33:40.680 and we jumped on board we over we overlooked your past and the you know all what we're going to 318 00:33:40.680 --> 00:33:47.720 take a risk on Donald J Trump and in 2016 we voted for you turns out we were very glad we did 319 00:33:47.720 --> 00:33:53.080 because you took us forward I think if Trump began to talk forward like you said at a moment 320 00:33:53.080 --> 00:34:00.840 ago here's why if you're 19 years old you here's why you should vote for me or if you're 85 321 00:34:00.840 --> 00:34:05.240 years old here's why you should vote for me I think it's I think it would be a slam dunk and 322 00:34:05.240 --> 00:34:11.560 somebody's going to say oh Jack and Penny you guys just saw naive the cheat is overwhelming hey 323 00:34:11.560 --> 00:34:17.560 you know what let's say there is a cheat how do you stop the cheat there's only one way to stop 324 00:34:18.520 --> 00:34:25.960 and that is to turn out in mass cheat only works when the numbers are close enough to manipulate 325 00:34:25.960 --> 00:34:33.560 that's right when a mass group shows up to vote the cheat won't work that's right it's very simple 326 00:34:33.560 --> 00:34:38.920 math overwhelm them people you need to show up first of all you've got to register to vote 327 00:34:38.920 --> 00:34:43.640 and then you need to show up and you need to vote listen we I'm right now we're in a cuckoo 328 00:34:43.640 --> 00:34:49.800 state called California we get to vote for months here vote as soon as you can yeah make sure 329 00:34:49.800 --> 00:34:54.680 your vote is taken care of but what what are some of the closing words tell us all about you know 330 00:34:54.680 --> 00:35:00.120 how how can we get plugged in and why should they support you guys well I appreciate that well 331 00:35:00.120 --> 00:35:06.200 let me just say that I think that I just want to finish this one thing about the president I had a 332 00:35:06.200 --> 00:35:13.240 time magazine reporter asked me who now works in New York Times like why did evangelical women vote 333 00:35:13.240 --> 00:35:19.400 82% for Donald Trump don't they know about all the things he did like yeah I mean we're all 334 00:35:19.400 --> 00:35:25.240 sinners by the way Christians recognize we're sinners and we're broken um but we weren't looking 335 00:35:25.240 --> 00:35:30.760 for a pastor and we weren't looking for a husband we were looking for a bodyguard a guy that would 336 00:35:30.760 --> 00:35:36.680 stick the knife in his teeth and swim the moat for us and that's why we supported him and that's 337 00:35:36.680 --> 00:35:43.640 why we will support him again if he can manage to win the primary and I believe that he will 338 00:35:43.640 --> 00:35:50.440 but I want to say um that right now at concerned women for America we are working on policy issues 339 00:35:50.440 --> 00:35:56.120 and we talked about some of those right now and I um we are the nation's largest public policy 340 00:35:56.120 --> 00:36:01.880 women's organization we have chapters all over this country last night our uh California leader 341 00:36:01.880 --> 00:36:08.280 was there also we have 250 young women for America chapters and we've been doing pro-Israelis 342 00:36:08.280 --> 00:36:16.040 on their campuses all over this country what are refreshing antithesis to the hate and the just the 343 00:36:16.040 --> 00:36:22.280 the evil uh vapid arguments that have been coming out of the left we've had these young beautiful 344 00:36:22.280 --> 00:36:27.800 women coming together prayer vigils inviting the Jewish students from their campus praying over them 345 00:36:27.800 --> 00:36:32.520 being there with them and I've watched these young Jewish students weep and say this is the 346 00:36:32.520 --> 00:36:39.640 when I felt the most supported since October 7th on my campus and so we would love for your listeners 347 00:36:39.640 --> 00:36:45.560 to come join what we're doing come to concernedwomen.org follows on all the social media channels and um 348 00:36:45.560 --> 00:36:51.000 it's just great to be here with you it's great to have you keep it up keep standing uh there are 349 00:36:51.000 --> 00:36:58.760 several women in my life my wife obviously one of them uh and you have that mantle and that is 350 00:36:58.760 --> 00:37:07.160 a Deborah there's a Deborah spirit from the scriptures who was no doubt Deborah the woman judge 351 00:37:07.160 --> 00:37:15.000 of Israel but she was a warrior and she even led men into battle and she even deferred to them 352 00:37:15.000 --> 00:37:19.480 she said to them we're gonna go into battle and are you guys sure you want me to lead the way 353 00:37:19.480 --> 00:37:23.640 yes lead the way because she was gonna get all the credit and she told me she said you know I'm 354 00:37:23.640 --> 00:37:29.880 gonna get the credit for this are you sure and she look we're talking about her right now and so I 355 00:37:29.880 --> 00:37:36.600 thank God for you thank you for thank God for your entire organization and um a women messengers 356 00:37:36.600 --> 00:37:42.840 matter in this moment especially all these issues were discussed women's voices matter so we 357 00:37:42.840 --> 00:37:50.520 want to train our women our members and women your listeners to be able to be more able and more 358 00:37:50.520 --> 00:37:57.640 blessed in their ability to share the truth the gospel their policy beliefs and to advocate in 359 00:37:57.640 --> 00:38:03.640 the public square so all the women watching right now they need to go to concernedwomen.org 360 00:38:03.640 --> 00:38:07.400 sign up and we'd love to have you join what we're doing and if you're a man watching and you just 361 00:38:07.400 --> 00:38:13.400 heard that you can send your money to them okay women should have money women sign up and man you 362 00:38:13.400 --> 00:38:21.240 can send money we'll take it that's 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